Speaker 1: The bok About AIRCD talk station Happy Friday maybe an
Speaker 1: extra special Happy an early appearance by all of our
Speaker 1: mutual friends. Briga McGown from the Hudson Institute and I
Speaker 1: hope you follow his podcast, It's charged community Conversations. He
Speaker 1: is an expert on energy policy. He's got an extensive
Speaker 1: background in that, and he was just in New York
Speaker 1: on an energy policy issues having a discussion with an
Speaker 1: Obama Harris side of the Ledger green new deal kind
Speaker 1: of crap kind of thing. Brig him, it's great having
Speaker 1: you in studio. You can find his organization online at
Speaker 1: Hudson dot or also a professor at Miami Universe. All
Speaker 1: that is correct, I try to be a left that
Speaker 1: a whole lot if whatever your whole background, will be
Speaker 1: doing a full hour of just talking about all that
Speaker 1: you've done over the course of your life. So just
Speaker 1: you know you do it. You do have the requisite
Speaker 1: skills and knowledge and expertise to speak on energy policy, which.
Speaker 2: Is why you were invited to New York in the
Speaker 2: first place. Well, thank you very much. It's an honor
Speaker 2: to be with you. Although I think this is probably
Speaker 2: the earliest appearance I've done yet.
Speaker 1: But good for you getting up every once in a
Speaker 1: while breaking you got to you gotta start your coffee earlier, though,
Speaker 1: don't wait until six oh six when we're here to
Speaker 1: start drinking your coffee, which you just did. Going anyhow,
Speaker 1: So what did you learn in New York? It is
Speaker 1: so obvious by the out loud statements she's made, as
Speaker 1: well as her background, her on the record expressions of
Speaker 1: concern over climate change or whatever. Kamala Harris is all in.
Speaker 1: Whether you can pin her down on banning fracking or not.
Speaker 1: That doesn't play well in Pennsylvania, as you know. But
Speaker 1: she seems to be all over the board. But in true,
Speaker 1: in point of fact, she embraces this stuff and the subsidies,
Speaker 1: and she broadly takes credit for the so called Green
Speaker 1: New Deal that cost us so many trillions of dollars.
Speaker 2: Well, she does. And let's remember when she was President
Speaker 2: of the Senate. As the vice President, she cast a
Speaker 2: lot of tie breaking votes, including spending all this money
Speaker 2: on the Green New Deal known as the Inflation Reduction Act.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and that's probably got to go down in
Speaker 1: history as the most inappropriately inaccurate name for any piece
Speaker 1: of legislation I know. They do it all the time.
Speaker 1: But what the hell did that have to do with
Speaker 1: reducing inflation? It was an inflation inducing bill.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is, just it was just a massive spending
Speaker 2: bill in part which field a lot of this inflation
Speaker 2: we've been dealing with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course the other component of this, and
Speaker 1: not too many people I think care as much about
Speaker 1: it as I do. But you go all the way
Speaker 1: back to Obama and number A one twenty three and
Speaker 1: Solindra all part of this you know, growing agenda. They
Speaker 1: were given taxpayer dollars to support their good or service
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell they were providing, and they failed epically.
Speaker 1: That was government picking the winners and losers to the
Speaker 1: exclusion of maybe hundreds of other companies doing what those
Speaker 1: two companies were planning on doing. But how is it
Speaker 1: that they won the contracts and got the American taxpayer
Speaker 1: dollars and ended up serving as a great illustration of
Speaker 1: why that is a terrible thing. Market forces would have
Speaker 1: allowed competition to be selected based upon the well, the
Speaker 1: merit of whatever they were doing. You know, Oh that
Speaker 1: actually works, Let's go with that one.
Speaker 2: You know, absolutely, you know, and you've just pointed out
Speaker 2: something that's that's very important. If it's a terrible idea.
Speaker 2: If it's not gonna work, it's not gonna work. That's
Speaker 2: the whole point. If businesses either succeed or fail based
Speaker 2: on the product or service they deliver that people want
Speaker 2: at a cost competitive price. If you do that, and
Speaker 2: I'm a small business guy, you stay in business. You
Speaker 2: don't do that, you go out. Except when the government says, oh,
Speaker 2: that's okay, well here here's here's one hundred million. You're
Speaker 2: still going to go out of business. It's just going
Speaker 2: to take a little bit longer.
Speaker 1: Right. You got to burn through the one hundred million,
Speaker 1: and then you close shop. Right.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: And the other point is, even with all of these
Speaker 1: incentives that government is pouring into, like, for example, the
Speaker 1: electric vehicle industry, you can lead a horse to water,
Speaker 1: but you can't make them drink. Brother, if you don't
Speaker 1: want to buy an EV, a government can't make you
Speaker 1: buy an EV unless the government, through its actions, bans
Speaker 1: the internal combustion engine, which through CAFE standards, is their
Speaker 1: stated goal. You can't have I mean, if they take
Speaker 1: emissions and you know the laws of physics and the
Speaker 1: reality of the internal combustion engine. There's only so much
Speaker 1: you can remove in terms of the tailpipe. But it's
Speaker 1: a preferable and more efficient and I would say more
Speaker 1: affordable choice to buy an internal combustion engine.
Speaker 2: Well, it absolutely is. And if we took these folks
Speaker 2: at their word, and let's just all pretend that carbon
Speaker 2: is the enemy of the Earth and we have to
Speaker 2: get rid of it all.
Speaker 1: Overnight, suspending reality to do that. But okay, we're playing
Speaker 1: a game and pretend.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, then you say, look, our goal is to
Speaker 2: red use the amount of carbon we're putting in the air,
Speaker 2: and we have to be cleaner. Okay, Well, then let
Speaker 2: industry figure out how to do that, and you can
Speaker 2: use different types of fuels while still using the internal
Speaker 2: combustion engine to achieve that goal.
Speaker 1: Yes, through negation of let's say carbon output at oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, a natural gas plant and replacing it
Speaker 1: with you know what's come and Brigham a nuclear plant.
Speaker 1: There we go. You're going to remove all the carbon
Speaker 1: and it's a minimal amount from a natural gas plant
Speaker 1: compared to the cold days, right, but you get rid
Speaker 1: of that, and that would allow us to keep our
Speaker 1: internal combustion engines because overall, you've reduced that carbon output.
Speaker 1: That doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: That is that's absolutely correct, and I think we all
Speaker 2: want cleaner air. And there are there are harmful emissions
Speaker 2: that can cause asthma or increase allergies, cause breathing problems.
Speaker 2: Those are the things we should be concentrating on. But
Speaker 2: eaving that aside for a minute, nuclear it's where we
Speaker 2: need to be. And you know, if we stacked up
Speaker 2: all of the nuclear waste, which some people complain about,
Speaker 2: it would fit on a football field less than twelve
Speaker 2: feet high. I said, from the entire country since nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1: Whatever, all of it. And let me go ahead and
Speaker 1: say this out loud because of my submariner friend Cribbage
Speaker 1: Mike is out listening. He will also be the first
Speaker 1: person to point out that I think all of the
Speaker 1: ships in the Navy have been nuclear powered since what
Speaker 1: the late nineteen fifties, nineteen sixties. They haven't had any
Speaker 1: problems with any of.
Speaker 2: Them, well, all of the submarines and all the aircraft. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all the aircraft carriers since the late sixties, early seventies.
Speaker 2: Some of the smaller ships know, but they're actually powered
Speaker 2: by aircraft jetting since no kidding.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well but it works.
Speaker 2: It does work, and so we've got this new concept
Speaker 2: and Navy folks like myself will kind of snicker and
Speaker 2: go out, it's not really new. Small modular nuclear reactors SMRs. Well,
Speaker 2: that's what the Navy's been putting in ships and submarines
Speaker 2: for four decades.
Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, yeah, I mean there's obviously the aircraft
Speaker 1: carriers are not run on a fuel supply that's built
Speaker 1: on something the size of three mile island. You know,
Speaker 1: it's small, it's compact, and it works. It works, and
Speaker 1: they have more than one in some cases. But what
Speaker 1: we want to do, and this is where I have
Speaker 1: to admit, the nuclear industry has been its own worst
Speaker 1: enemy at times because every reactor that we have operating
Speaker 1: in this country, no two are alike. That's the problem
Speaker 1: with the costs, or that's what creates the cost problems.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: And then we have a federal agency, nuclear regulatory agency
Speaker 2: that's spent its entire life trying not to permit a
Speaker 2: react Their job is to permit no nuclear license.
Speaker 1: These things enemy, there's no question about it.
Speaker 2: So the idea is we start to carbon copying these
Speaker 2: things and they are pretty small. I mean they're they're
Speaker 2: not going to fit inside this room, they're not going
Speaker 2: to fit inside your garage. But comparing to large scale
Speaker 2: they are smaller. So the idea is you replicate these
Speaker 2: things one after another. The design is licensed, so you
Speaker 2: don't have to go through all that each time, and
Speaker 2: they're plug and play. You can even know you need
Speaker 2: more than one. Okay here three.
Speaker 1: Right next to each other, right or spread around different
Speaker 1: geographical areas among any population center. At the bottom line
Speaker 1: is they're much easier to build and one size can
Speaker 1: fit all just depending on you know, if you got
Speaker 1: the land and the I guess the locations swell to
Speaker 1: to the power lines. But you know, if you're shutting
Speaker 1: down a gas or a prior coal fire plant, you
Speaker 1: just build it right there on next to that space
Speaker 1: and all your transmission lines are right there.
Speaker 2: It's all set up, and you know you can do that.
Speaker 2: And I've kind of wondered, like I remember down in Moscow, Ohio. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just put one there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, just don't do the did in Fukushima build it
Speaker 1: in a tsunami zone.
Speaker 2: I mean that the plants problem, that was a people
Speaker 2: engineering problem. Yeah, Like who's the idiot who chose this?
Speaker 2: What do they want?
Speaker 1: A scenic landscape so they could look out over the
Speaker 1: ocean when they went to work. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: we do have tsunamis in Japan and that's in the
Speaker 1: tsunami zone. Do you guys ever consider that might want
Speaker 1: to build it a little higher? Yeah, it's crazy, It
Speaker 1: is crazy. All right, Well, I'll tell you what. Let's
Speaker 1: stop here because I want to find out because when
Speaker 1: you're at New York it was sort of a it's
Speaker 1: an energy policy discussion, with you taking what I would
Speaker 1: consider the rational approach and the Obama Harris spokesperson going
Speaker 1: with pushing the the green. I want to get what
Speaker 1: their take was on the concept of nuclear because of course,
Speaker 1: you know, when the alphabets and the Googles and the
Speaker 1: Metas of the world decide their artificial intelligence centers can
Speaker 1: be run by and will be run by nuclear power,
Speaker 1: and no one in the federal government saying no, you
Speaker 1: cannot do that. I guess it just depends on who
Speaker 1: you are whether you get good efficient, carbon free power
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Speaker 1: energy policy. Of course, we were talking about nuclear being
Speaker 1: a part of it. Going back to your debate in
Speaker 1: New York, your you know, sanity versus what I would
Speaker 1: argue is insanity. Did have someone who is a you
Speaker 1: know sort of Abama Harris cut from the Green New
Speaker 1: Deal whole cloth there. What's that person's reaction to the
Speaker 1: just just looking exclusively here at the idea of nuclear power.
Speaker 2: Well, actually he didn't talk about nuclear per se, but
Speaker 2: what he did say was that he thinks Harris will
Speaker 2: double down with two priorities for all of our infrastructure,
Speaker 2: for energy infrastructure, for transportation infrastructure. And he said it's
Speaker 2: going to be based on two guiding principles, and you
Speaker 2: can probably guess what they are, Brian, But number one
Speaker 2: is climate change and number two is equity.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see here equity. How does equity apply in
Speaker 1: the area of energy policy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, energy is racist, Energy is discriminating. Energy is
Speaker 2: bad because some people can afford to have it and
Speaker 2: others can't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, that I guess lies in the face
Speaker 1: of the marxis ieteology, the idea that if there is
Speaker 1: a good or service that you need, that you should
Speaker 1: pay for it. Do they want to provide Is it
Speaker 1: free energy for all?
Speaker 2: Well, I think it is removing what they see as polluting,
Speaker 2: nasty hydrocarbon power plants from people and neighborhoods that are disadvantaged.
Speaker 2: They are, I think, saying behind the lines, without behind
Speaker 2: the scene, without saying it, that energy is going to
Speaker 2: be more expensive if we go their way, and so
Speaker 2: we're all going to have to share, We're going to
Speaker 2: have to subsidize. You've probably seen in California already there's
Speaker 2: a wealth tax on energy for people that make too
Speaker 2: much money. Your bill goes up, and I think that's
Speaker 2: part of it. But roads and bridges are apparently unfair also.
Speaker 1: So what I mean des bye sating that they're unfair.
Speaker 1: You can't continue with the idea of commerce and industry
Speaker 1: and the free flow of goods and services in the
Speaker 1: country without roads and bridges and an infrastructure like that.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm you know, these platitudes about equity or whatever.
Speaker 1: What was he offering by way of a direction or
Speaker 1: what would a Harris administration do to eradicate these so
Speaker 1: called well lack of equity or the fact that a
Speaker 1: road is racist in some way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he didn't go into and that's the
Speaker 2: other party. They don't They don't really go into it.
Speaker 2: They have an answer to you. And if we look
Speaker 2: at the campaign, you know, as you mentioned earlier in
Speaker 2: the previous segment, Harris has been very careful not to
Speaker 2: talk about anything. But she she can't talk about anything
Speaker 2: because anything that she if she said what her policies
Speaker 2: really were, nobody would be buying. But part of this
Speaker 2: has to do with this sort of I don't know.
Speaker 2: New York's a great example. They think the whole country
Speaker 2: is like New York. We need more transit, we mean,
Speaker 2: we need more commuter rail, we need more bike paths.
Speaker 2: We need this, we need that, And it is a
Speaker 2: percon option that differs from the Republicans that believe that
Speaker 2: the energy and the transportation infrastructure is there to enable commerce.
Speaker 2: The Republicans talk about rivers of commerce freely flowing, removing
Speaker 2: inefficiencies from the system. The just in time inventory that
Speaker 2: we created in the US is really the backbone of
Speaker 2: the economy, and I think under a Trump world, you're
Speaker 2: going to see these go back to We're going to
Speaker 2: go back to hard merits. I think under a Trump administration,
Speaker 2: where money is going to be put where it serves
Speaker 2: the country the best and helps grow the economy.
Speaker 1: Which is beneficial to everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the whole point of highways is to get
Speaker 2: goods and people to market, and goods to market and
Speaker 2: people to Grandma's house and mobility. It's it's really that simple.
Speaker 2: Well bring them, let's we'll bring them back here. Because
Speaker 2: as to the free flow of goods and services on
Speaker 2: the highways and byways, we typically rely on this semi
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Speaker 1: In the studio bringing we were talking about transportation and
Speaker 1: the growing pressing demand by government to force semi tractor
Speaker 1: trailers to go green and be electric operated. Everything I
Speaker 1: have read about those makes it sound like one of
Speaker 1: the most preposterous, idiotic ideas. And this is a high
Speaker 1: bar right there, brother, to come out of government. They
Speaker 1: they will talk about an inflationary reality. Do you think
Speaker 1: groceries are expensive? Now? If we got to deliver them
Speaker 1: in electric semi tractor trailers? Oh, in addition to having
Speaker 1: to rebuild basically our nation's entire road infrastructure because they
Speaker 1: wasted damn much, Bridges would collapse under the weight of
Speaker 1: an electric semi Your take on all this and was
Speaker 1: your Obama Harris Green, person that you were arguing with
Speaker 1: in New York, did he bring any of this up? Now?
Speaker 2: Well, I answered the last question first, They don't, right,
Speaker 2: because you know, it's like, there go those darn facts.
Speaker 2: They get in the way of my policy, right. And
Speaker 2: the truth is that facts beat to policy, eat policy
Speaker 2: for lunch every day of the week. And that's part
Speaker 2: of the problem is that these policies are not grounded
Speaker 2: in reality.
Speaker 1: And well, the whole premise of this carbon dioxide as
Speaker 1: being a problem is not grounded in reality either, Brigham.
Speaker 1: Plus these models, I mean, remember you get back to
Speaker 1: the modeling that said that God us into all this mess.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're all going to die everything's gonna
Speaker 1: the sea's going to rise and cover New York City.
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen in ten years. Ah, you know, Greta
Speaker 1: Thunberg's gonna have an aneurysm because we're not listening to her.
Speaker 1: And here we are fast forward a couple of decades. Sorry,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, And actually anyway, I'm sorry. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to move away from the truck thing. But you
Speaker 1: have experience, I mean, legitimate experience in the trucking industry.
Speaker 1: Let my listeners know real quick before we dive onto
Speaker 1: this problem that these EV trucks create.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. One of my first stints the military
Speaker 2: and federal government service was as the General Council of
Speaker 2: the Trucking Agency Trucking Safety Agency at the US Department
Speaker 2: of Transportation, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration, which I
Speaker 2: know there's some trucker out there right now going oh lord,
Speaker 2: oh lord.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: Government is a huge problem, the regulations, the what you
Speaker 2: can and can't do, and and folks, if we vote
Speaker 2: one way, it gets worse. If we vote the other way,
Speaker 2: you're going to see significant deregulation.
Speaker 1: And that would low and it's one thing that I
Speaker 1: know that Trump could do to lower inflation is this
Speaker 1: whole idea of getting more access to and refining more
Speaker 1: petroleum products into diesel fuel. To lower the price of
Speaker 1: diesel alone would lower the cost of goods because the
Speaker 1: prices would I wouldn't be as much to ship things.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, one of the reasons why diesel
Speaker 2: is so expensive today is because of the EPA, the
Speaker 2: type of diesel that we're allowed to burn. Remember, diesel
Speaker 2: used to be cheaper than gasoline because it should be
Speaker 2: because it comes out of the refinery first, it's the
Speaker 2: easiest to refine. It's basically a kerosene type product. But
Speaker 2: you know, if I can comment for just a second
Speaker 2: on the EV thing, Yeah, you're absolutely right, because if
Speaker 2: we look at this, if you have an eighty thousand
Speaker 2: pound truck that can carry let's say, yeah, about sixty
Speaker 2: five thousand pounds of a freight, but instead we're going
Speaker 2: to have batteries that weigh, you know, eight to ten
Speaker 2: thousand each, and you need two of those. Now, I
Speaker 2: can't carry that much freight. So it's not just that
Speaker 2: we'd be moving to evs, it's that we're gonna have
Speaker 2: to have a third more trucks on the road. Do
Speaker 2: you want a third more trucks.
Speaker 3: On the road?
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the congestion?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And when you pass an eighteen wheeler today and
Speaker 2: it's sitting there stuck in traffic, you're paying for that.
Speaker 2: You and I are paying for that inefficiency. That's what
Speaker 2: we're trying to move, not make more of it.
Speaker 1: Well, and I suppose in the grand glorious future, as
Speaker 1: prepared by our lords and masters on the left hand
Speaker 1: side shoving us in that direction, we're not going to
Speaker 1: have cars anyway. They're going to keep us off in
Speaker 1: fifteen minute cities and so the road will be clear
Speaker 1: all this traffic, so we can have more semis on
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 2: Ah, you know you actually that's voud. There's a UC
Speaker 2: Davis study that came out late last year that they
Speaker 2: said that quiet part out loud. I love that saying
Speaker 2: the quiet part out loud. And they said, you know,
Speaker 2: after we do all this other stuff, it's not going
Speaker 2: to be enough. We're gonna have to live in smaller houses.
Speaker 2: We can't have cars, We're gonna have to use bikes.
Speaker 2: There's no way to get there. And Brian, if you
Speaker 2: look at every country in the globe history of the world.
Speaker 2: Countries that were energy rich have increased their standard of living,
Speaker 2: have increased their economy. There are no rich countries that
Speaker 2: are in it does not exist. They are only poor countries.
Speaker 1: So how do you make an energy rich and economically
Speaker 1: sound and successful country, oh, say, like the United States poor?
Speaker 1: You take away their energy supply, which is one of
Speaker 1: the reasons I've always argued. They don't want us to
Speaker 1: have nuclear power because it satisfies our ever growing demand
Speaker 1: for power, It allows us to remain economically viable, and
Speaker 1: of course it solves the carbon problem they claim is
Speaker 1: a problem. It's it, but it's that's the problem that
Speaker 1: they have. It is the ultimate solution for what they
Speaker 1: claim to be is the biggest existential threat to the glow.
Speaker 1: But in the back of their minds, it has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with climate. It's us that is the threat
Speaker 1: to the glow. We are an outlier in terms of
Speaker 1: our success and our prosperity. They don't want the world
Speaker 1: to mirror our standards by expanding our freedoms and liberties.
Speaker 1: They don't want that.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why anyone would be against American exceptionalism. R.
Speaker 2: I fundamentally don't understand that, and you see that in Europe.
Speaker 1: Well, it's unfair man, going back to your equity word,
Speaker 1: it's unfair. Your system has proven to be demonstrably better.
Speaker 1: You just talking about energy rich countries. You know they prosper.
Speaker 1: What the hell happened to Venezuela. There is energy rich
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Speaker 1: toilet because they pursued a leftist socialist agenda, and everybody
Speaker 1: that was worth anything and making any dollars or had
Speaker 1: any form of education left the country. It's pass from
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Speaker 1: Brian Thomas with from the Hudson Institute Hudson dot org.
Speaker 1: Bring him the gown. He's the energy policy guru, knows
Speaker 1: a whole lot about it. He's been doing this kind
Speaker 1: of thing his entire life, and I don't know, you
Speaker 1: can't reveal you are familiar with hitting the ground running
Speaker 1: when the If Trump gets elected in terms of energy.
Speaker 2: Policy, yeah yeah, absolutely, I mean, and if you look
Speaker 2: carefully at what he has said, what is people have said,
Speaker 2: the bottom line is he wants to reassert America's energy
Speaker 2: dominance by unleashing our natural resources and our abilities to
Speaker 2: produce energy. Because he understands and Mike Pompeo's former Secretary
Speaker 2: of State said, you know, when you have energy, you
Speaker 2: have power. You wield power because people need what you have.
Speaker 2: When you are energy poor, people your adversaries know that
Speaker 2: you're weak. It's that simple. And then obviously, by having
Speaker 2: more affordable energy, we're more competitive in the world for
Speaker 2: goods and services. We've seen industry returned back to rust
Speaker 2: belt areas because of the shale play in eastern Ohio
Speaker 2: western Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: This stuff's real. Listen. I know firsthand about the Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: component because where my wife grew up on the little
Speaker 1: farm outside Washington, Pennsylvania, and Avela probably never heard of it.
Speaker 1: Don't blink when you're driving through you'll miss it. But
Speaker 1: that's where she grew up and what was an extraordinarily
Speaker 1: poor community. You know, you either hated a dairy farm
Speaker 1: or you might might have worked in a coal mine.
Speaker 1: They all have brand new roads, they have brand new cars,
Speaker 1: They've repainted and rebuilt barns for their farms, built new
Speaker 1: houses for themselves, all with the royalty money from the
Speaker 1: fracking that was done. Yeah, it's improved the quality of
Speaker 1: life so much in that area. It's it's just amazing.
Speaker 2: And I was talking to both Germans and Norwegians in
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. They're investing in America. Why
Speaker 2: their companies can't get anything done right right over there.
Speaker 2: So they are these foreign companies want to invest in
Speaker 2: the US because of energy, because of the business climate,
Speaker 2: because of the lower taxes. So the world is coming here.
Speaker 2: So this notion that we've lost industry forever, it is
Speaker 2: not true.
Speaker 1: Well see, and that's the pivoting point for Trump, you know,
Speaker 1: and when he talks about Tariff's not we'll going down
Speaker 1: that road because we're talking about energy policy today. But
Speaker 1: if the conditions are set up that way, people will
Speaker 1: gravitate and say, well, hell, let's just go set up
Speaker 1: shop in the United States. Much in the same way.
Speaker 1: Many businesses here decided because of our tax policy and structure,
Speaker 1: that they would just set up shop like in Canada
Speaker 1: or something. Remember was it Burger King that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Burger King left and went to Canada.
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, right, Well that's what happens. So can we
Speaker 1: expect your tea leaf reading if Trump gets elected and
Speaker 1: his team's foot in place, including Elon Musk, which I
Speaker 1: think you and I both think is a great idea,
Speaker 1: can we expect to hit the ground immediately running on
Speaker 1: this or is it going to require Congressional action? It's
Speaker 1: kind of a gray area these days anymore. I hate
Speaker 1: to say that should be very clearly defined.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is a gray area because you know,
Speaker 2: Congress is dysfunctional. It's been dysfunctional for decades. Remember back
Speaker 2: in the eight Reagan talked about to do nothing Congress.
Speaker 2: But we've moved far beyond that to a point where
Speaker 2: the executive branch fills that vacuum. And so there are
Speaker 2: a lot of things he can do, a lot of
Speaker 2: executive actions he can put out on day one, and
Speaker 2: I expect he will. There are directions he can give
Speaker 2: to the agency. Remember last time he told agencies you
Speaker 2: want to write a new regulation great, eliminate two and
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Speaker 2: I think you'll see the government getting back to the
Speaker 2: government and stopping to apply all of these labels and
Speaker 2: subjective decisions. Things will be based on merit. I think
Speaker 2: the possibility is exciting.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll come back with one more with Brigham McCown
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Speaker 1: the gown to the Hudson Institute Energy Policy guy. He
Speaker 1: is with all his years of experience in a broad
Speaker 1: variety of topics and including his service to our country,
Speaker 1: which we certainly appreciate. Brigham final thoughts as we part
Speaker 1: company today. I'm going to be getting to Orlando Sonza
Speaker 1: after the top of the our news Love Orlando. MM.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: You know, we gosh.
Speaker 2: This election is uh, I think a really important. I
Speaker 2: think we have two paths that are very distinctly opposite
Speaker 2: of each other, and it's very clear, and I think, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, at least for energy policy. And uh, I
Speaker 2: think it's very important because you know, next to the
Speaker 2: cost of raw materials and people, energy is that third
Speaker 2: component that goes into manufacturing anything. It's critical to us.
Speaker 2: And uh, I think, uh, you know, from my studies
Speaker 2: and the work I do at Hudson. We believe in
Speaker 2: a strong energy security policy, which means we have to
Speaker 2: have access to as much energy as we need that
Speaker 2: is reliable and affordable. That's the that's the key ingredients,
Speaker 2: that's the recipe for success. And I'm not opposed to
Speaker 2: an energy mix, and I think we're agnostic in that regard.
Speaker 2: If it makes sense and it works and it works
Speaker 2: for you, great, let's do it. But when a government
Speaker 2: comes in and says thou shalt do this, thou shalt
Speaker 2: not do that, it skews, It skews things, and we
Speaker 2: start creating expenses that we don't need. Look at California
Speaker 2: and their cost of energy. It is intentional, man, And
Speaker 2: I mean I always use the line from Barack a bono.
Speaker 1: Your price of gas will necessarily go up, the point
Speaker 1: being there's an adequate supply, prices are low. We want
Speaker 1: you to stop using gasoline, so we're going to force
Speaker 1: the price to go up.
Speaker 2: And that's and that's really foolish because I was thinking
Speaker 2: about this earlier on the break. If if you've spent
Speaker 2: any time in Europe, you realize that their air conditioning
Speaker 2: doesn't really cool the air it conditions the air. Why,
Speaker 2: because it uses a lot less energy you walk down
Speaker 2: dimly lit hallways. There is this belief by by elitists
Speaker 2: and others that you can save your way to prosperity.
Speaker 1: That is just not true.
Speaker 2: You know, all you end up doing is making yourself poor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and more miserable and uncomfortable while you're in the process.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that doesn't mean that we shouldn't take heat
Speaker 2: of the environment. I think we all want, you know,
Speaker 2: clean air, we all want clean rivers and waters.
Speaker 1: But it's it's you know what I want plants to have,
Speaker 1: plant food. I want carbon dioxide in the air. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: And that's why this is one of the most absurd notions.
Speaker 1: It's supposedly that's this great existential threat to the globe.
Speaker 1: The more we exhale, the more plants grow and thrive
Speaker 1: and survive.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean you realize too, people aren't buying
Speaker 2: it because, sorry, climate is ten percent of the voters
Speaker 2: think it is. It is highly important. But when you
Speaker 2: walk around talking about this existential climate crisis, and remember
Speaker 2: the pullar ice caps which are thicker now. They were
Speaker 2: supposed to be gone by twenty fourteen, going back to
Speaker 2: the predictions. Yeah, it just it doesn't work. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's about control. It's about government control. It's about big
Speaker 2: government or limited government.
Speaker 1: And too maybe achieve their global worldview on how we're
Speaker 1: all going to live in these tiny cities and rely
Speaker 1: on public transportation and never go traveling and never leave
Speaker 1: our well, our little sort of government in post prisons.
Speaker 1: That's really what it amounts to.
Speaker 3: It's really great.
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, our enemies, our adversaries, are taking note at
Speaker 2: our weakness and.
Speaker 1: They are exploiting the hell out of it. Brigam. Look
Speaker 1: at China. They keep building coal plants, laughing at us
Speaker 1: taking over manufacturing, manufacturing evs a lot more cheaply since
Speaker 1: we have all forced them on our populations. China's like, hey,
Speaker 1: they created a market that didn't exist and wouldn't exist
Speaker 1: but for their backcrap in same policies. Let's make cheap
Speaker 1: evs that they can't compete with because they don't have
Speaker 1: energy to manufacture them. They have all the epa OSHIS standards,
Speaker 1: rules and regulations that make employments so much more expensive.
Speaker 1: This is a no lose situation for us.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's a no lowse situation. And if we're not careful,
Speaker 2: I call a unilateral economic disarmament. We're going to destroy
Speaker 2: our own economy. Yes, and that makes China even stronger.
Speaker 1: Of course it does. Brigham a down Hudson dot Org
Speaker 1: find him and listen to his Charge Conversations podcast. Brigham,
Speaker 1: it's always a pleasure having in the city of talking
Speaker 1: common sense. I appreciate your willingness to come in here
Speaker 1: and engage face to face. Wonderful thing it is, folks.
Speaker 1: I hope you can stick around. We're gonna hear from
Speaker 1: Orlando Sonza in his background does connect with voters. There's
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