1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:03,799 --> 00:00:06,679 Speaker 2: This is Ken Downer from Asheville, North Carolina, and I 3 00:00:06,719 --> 00:00:10,119 played road More Golf Course. This is Golf Smarter number 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,000 nine eighty eight. 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,439 Speaker 1: So we're surrounded by farmland and just untouched nature, which 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,160 as everybody your audience, and you know, that's pretty rare 7 00:00:19,199 --> 00:00:22,640 in golf anymore. Most golf developments are built to sell houses, 8 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:24,960 it seems like anymore, And to have a golf course 9 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:28,000 that's just trickly golf. I really think that's what makes 10 00:00:28,079 --> 00:00:31,039 us place special in itself. The golf course, it's a 11 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:35,039 fantastic design, always in fantastic shape. To come out here 12 00:00:35,079 --> 00:00:38,200 and be just in nature and play golf the way 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,399 it was probably originally meant to be played, it's special. 14 00:00:41,399 --> 00:00:43,200 And that's the one thing that really turned me on 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,880 to this place when I first came here. 16 00:00:50,359 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: Yo to d Hea Golf Club and Cash Creek Casino 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,359 History and Tea Tour with Will Foust. This is Golf 18 00:00:58,439 --> 00:01:03,560 Smarter Stories, tips and insights from great golf mindes to 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,719 help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. 20 00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:11,599 Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,840 Will Well, Fred, how are you Manyah? 22 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: Good? 23 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: You I'm doing well, northern California has been getting a 24 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,799 lot of rain lately, what about you, guys. 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, we had four and a half inches over over 26 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,000 the weekend and through through the middle of the week. 27 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:36,959 So nice little February storm to hopefully get us. Still 28 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,560 need a little bit more, but at least get us 29 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,359 a good start going into the season. 30 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: So, and this course probably has phenomenal drainage though, right, 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,239 I mean, it's built for this kind of thing. 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it's a you know, it opened in 33 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,680 two thousand and eight, so you know, it's a fairly 34 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:56,959 new course and you know, with that, they did spend 35 00:01:56,959 --> 00:01:59,319 a lot of time making sure the drainage was set 36 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:04,159 up correctly and it does train really well. So we 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:10,759 are pretty spoiled in that regards are so we're we're 38 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:12,159 definitely definitely lucky. 39 00:02:12,319 --> 00:02:15,439 Speaker 2: So awesome, awesome. Well, we're going to talk a lot 40 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:17,199 more about the course and a bit, but what I 41 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:21,479 wanted to do was start a conversation really talking about 42 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:28,560 how Indian nations Native American nations have not only built 43 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,879 their casino businesses and taken advantage of what they were 44 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,439 able to do with casinos, but the combination of casino 45 00:02:36,479 --> 00:02:39,280 and golf. At what point did they realize this is 46 00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:40,199 a winning combination. 47 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I wasn't around. I've been here since twenty seventeen. 48 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,800 But you know, I'm not one hundred cent sure on 49 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:51,879 the on the backstory, but I know that the tribe does. 50 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,240 Several of the tribal members that were involved at the time, 51 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:59,599 tribal leaders, I should say, you know, did have a 52 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,479 love for the game of golf and and and you 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,719 know they they wanted to bring that here and make 54 00:03:04,759 --> 00:03:09,120 that a part of the casino experience and so and 55 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:11,199 part of the resort experience. So I think that's what 56 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,639 kind of kicked everything off, you know, with the golf 57 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,879 club and uh being a part of Cash Greet casino 58 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,800 and really growing, you know, their their influence in the 59 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,439 golf space, and they and they did it pretty quickly. 60 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,360 And you know that the Golf Club name really took 61 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,400 off pretty quick, being a new facility opening in two 62 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:36,240 thousand and eight. You know, we've we've had several awards 63 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:45,159 over the years and it's gained regional I guess accolades 64 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:48,960 through the years and and also national athleades. 65 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, the Golf Week and 66 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:56,240 Golf Advisors. Uh, both ranked in the top fifty for 67 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,319 resort courses. 68 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So we we've had some some good years 69 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:04,800 with that, and Golf Week has been fairly recent cracking 70 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:08,960 in the top fifty, right, twenty one or twenty two 71 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:10,960 was the first year to crack the top fifty, I 72 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:16,120 believe on that and and you know, it takes some 73 00:04:16,199 --> 00:04:21,439 time to gain recognition on that particular ranking, but we're 74 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:24,800 we're we're proud of that ranking. I think that's that's 75 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,839 probably the one I'm most proud of at this property. 76 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,199 Golf Pass Golf Advisor always good, good to be on 77 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,560 because their user driven, but I really like the golf 78 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,839 Week rankings as well. I think they're it's a it's 79 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,160 a nationally known, you know, publication, and that's always always 80 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,560 nice to be to be recognized in that well. 81 00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:47,879 Speaker 2: It's been talked about, I know a lot of people 82 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:52,120 who talk about it being, you know, a West coast destination, 83 00:04:52,319 --> 00:04:55,759 not just northern California, but it's a West coast destination 84 00:04:55,959 --> 00:04:57,000 resort and course. 85 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, We're we're still pretty regional and in 86 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,800 the majority of our customer base is Bay area, Sacramento 87 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,199 in kind of central Valley in this area, so Bay area, 88 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,920 et cetera. So we are starting to work on, you know, 89 00:05:20,519 --> 00:05:24,360 growing our footprint, you know, not only just on the 90 00:05:24,399 --> 00:05:30,879 West coast, but nationally, and with our additional rooms we 91 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,920 opened in twenty twenty, we've got six hundred and fifty 92 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,680 nine total rooms. I believe that's the I can't misquoting that. 93 00:05:40,519 --> 00:05:46,920 I better double anyhow, six we'll call it six. We'll 94 00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:49,639 just round down to six fifty and call six fifty. 95 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,839 But you know, we the four hundred and fifty nine 96 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,199 room edition, So I guess this six fifty nine was 97 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:58,879 opened in twenty twenty and and with that obviously not 98 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,199 the greatest time to open open, Oh gosh, a new 99 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,839 hotel wing. But but we're twenty twenty five now and 100 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:09,240 we're taking full advantage of having those those rooms. We're 101 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:15,319 selling packages. We're trying to really, you know, get people 102 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,399 here from more than just you know, the day trip. 103 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:20,079 You know, we want people to be able to come 104 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,680 here and stay the night and make it make it 105 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,360 a trip. And so we finally have the rooms available 106 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,600 to do that. And it's been good. So it's been 107 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,879 a fun little growth period over the last couple of years, 108 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,480 you know, now that we're on the other side of 109 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,480 the pandemic and being able to have people play golf 110 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:39,879 here and have the opportunity to stay at the casino resort. 111 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,600 So it's been been a lot of fun. 112 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really looking forward to coming up there. I've 113 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:48,519 not played it before. I'm really looking for I've heard 114 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:50,759 so many people say, have you gone up to Cash 115 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,680 Creek yet? Have you played YOKADIHI? And I'm like, no, one, 116 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:56,279 I'm really excited to do it. So a buddy and 117 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,560 I are going to be coming up soon and looking 118 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,360 forward to a couple of rounds of golf and the 119 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:06,600 casino experience and the spa experience. Very gonna, very much 120 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:07,759 going to take advantage of it. 121 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, We're we're excited to have you. I know, 122 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,560 it's thank you, it's the old real or you'll really 123 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:16,079 enjoy it. 124 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: So how familiar are familiar are you with the Indian 125 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:25,040 nation that controls this property and the resort? 126 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:29,319 Speaker 1: Fairly familiar. I mean we we do work hand in 127 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,720 hand with with them. So so yo he win Tune 128 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,639 nation owns and operates the property. 129 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:42,759 Speaker 2: Pronoun he wint yeah nation yeap win tune. 130 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: Yep, yeah. So uh, the so they they operate obviously, 131 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,680 we operate under the Cash Creek Casino Resort umbrella, so 132 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,040 we're we're part of Cash Creek Casino Resort. The golf 133 00:07:58,079 --> 00:08:03,040 club is just named after you know, the tribe actually 134 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:07,120 stands for home by the spring water and in the 135 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:14,439 Native I think Patland language, so it's uh, you know, 136 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,160 we're we're we're right down by Cash Creek itself. There 137 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:23,480 actually is a Cash Creek the golf course borders, so 138 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:28,160 so it kind of yes, we we we are familiar 139 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,920 and we do work with them hand in hand. They 140 00:08:29,959 --> 00:08:32,799 own the property, they're they're very involved in in the 141 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,960 operation and and success of the business. They have very 142 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,639 high standards for the property, which is fun to be 143 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,039 a part of, and it's part of the reason why 144 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,720 we are able to have, you know, a place that 145 00:08:44,879 --> 00:08:48,000 is so well recognized, because they're their expectation is to 146 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,759 have you know, one of the best or the best 147 00:08:51,759 --> 00:08:55,480 property on the West coast. So so yeah, we're we're 148 00:08:55,559 --> 00:09:01,039 very fortunate to work for an ownership. You know, the 149 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,960 HDU went to nation and have their support to be 150 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,679 able to do what we do and have the resources 151 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,200 to provide that top tier experience because it's tough. I mean, 152 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:17,519 you can't. Golf is uh, let's face it, golf is not. 153 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:22,799 Not every owner, not every you know, place has the 154 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,879 resources to to have a staff member on the first 155 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:30,279 te you know, a starter starting you, somebody at bag 156 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:32,840 drop greeting you when you get out of your car, 157 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,799 somebody on eighteen. We hand out Mango sendals at the 158 00:09:36,879 --> 00:09:43,080 end of the round on hot days, not every hot days, yeah, exactly, 159 00:09:43,159 --> 00:09:45,399 and not every golf course has two player assistants on 160 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:48,120 busy days and make sure pace play is good, but 161 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,000 also that our guests are having a good day, and 162 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,559 so we're just double that. In addition, you know, I 163 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:56,519 should mention our course conditioning, which I feel like we're 164 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,759 pretty well known for. You know, they're it's pretty rare 165 00:10:00,799 --> 00:10:03,360 when we have a bad condition day, and that's usually 166 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:06,840 if the only time that would happen is weather related. 167 00:10:06,919 --> 00:10:11,679 So you know, either we get a lot of rain 168 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:13,519 like right now, and I wouldn't even call it bad condition. 169 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,200 It's still in great condition. But our standards are so 170 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:21,840 high that and again, our ownership standards are so high. Uh, 171 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:24,720 if they give us the resources to to be able 172 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:29,200 to make that happen now through through you know, certain 173 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,480 agronomie practices, et cetera, that that perhaps other local golf 174 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,720 course aren't able to do either. We have a cool 175 00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:43,360 season grass here, so blue grass and uh, excuse me, 176 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,840 blue and rye mixed in the rough and fairways and 177 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,159 bent grass greens. Bent grass can can handle hot weather. 178 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:52,799 We do get a lot of hot weather here, but 179 00:10:53,919 --> 00:10:57,440 Rye and blue it takes a lot of maintenance to 180 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,879 keep to keep lying excuse me, Rye and blue in 181 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,679 good condition through through the summer months here where we 182 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:07,600 see you know, several months close to one hundred degrees 183 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,919 or or above one hundred degrees. Those grasses do great 184 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,519 in cool climates you know, up north, but here it's tough. 185 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:18,240 It's a challenge. And that most of properties in our 186 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:23,519 area have bermuda grass. We do not, and so we're 187 00:11:23,879 --> 00:11:26,600 a cool season property and kind of a transition climate, 188 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,519 and so that also necessitates even more attention to a 189 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:36,440 strong you know, agronomy practice. So we're really again fortunate 190 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:41,279 to have that support. You know, not every owner would 191 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:44,960 would have allowed cool season grass because the amount of 192 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,840 maintenance it does take. And that's why most properties in 193 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:51,120 northern California, at least in the Sacramento area are bermuda grass. 194 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,559 You get closer to the Bay Area, cooler temperatures, you're 195 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,039 gonna see cool season grass. But we're kind of in 196 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:03,480 that transition zone slash even warmer, warmer climate than than 197 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:07,639 than most. So it allows us to keep the golf 198 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,240 course green year round, which as you know, this time 199 00:12:10,279 --> 00:12:14,240 of year, most places that are bermuda are are blonde 200 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,919 as they would say, so it's it goes dormant and 201 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,759 it doesn't look quite as good. So so yeah, we're 202 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,240 we're we're pretty fortunate, you know, to have that support 203 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,720 from ownership. Not to go on a long tangent there, 204 00:12:27,759 --> 00:12:31,519 but that's in a nutshell, you know, kind of get 205 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,559 paints a picture of how much support we do have 206 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,240 from from our ownership. 207 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: One thing I'm not familiar with with Indian owned Native 208 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:53,159 American owned properties like this, are there do they have 209 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:58,559 multiple properties, multiple resorts and courses or does everybody have 210 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,360 their every nation have their own and it's a network. 211 00:13:02,919 --> 00:13:05,279 Are they all independent? How does that work? 212 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know how how much knowledge I really 213 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,080 have as it relates to other tribes and how they operate, 214 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,639 But our our particular tribe you know, owns and operates 215 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:22,279 this one casino resort property. Now, they obviously own other 216 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:25,200 things and have other ventures such as an on site 217 00:13:25,639 --> 00:13:30,480 all of olive mill and and winery. So it's called 218 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:34,799 Saka Hills. It's a it's a fantastic they make fantastic 219 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:37,159 all of oil. If you ever, if you ever get 220 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,120 to when you come, you got to check it out. 221 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:41,600 And the wine as good as well. But but yeah, 222 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:44,039 it's really up to you know, each property. I know 223 00:13:44,039 --> 00:13:47,960 they a lot of the you know, tribal leaders do 224 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,679 stay in touch. But to what extent, I'm not privy 225 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,720 to you, I don't. I don't know that information. But 226 00:13:55,039 --> 00:13:57,200 and I know they I'm sure to some extent that 227 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,799 there's that they all do work together and and such. 228 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:04,360 But this, you know, Cash Creek Casino resort is just 229 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:07,960 operated known by the hd D. He went to nations. 230 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: So and do you have a network of of hospitality 231 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:18,879 and golf directors that you can pull from or are 232 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,480 you pretty much on your own for ideas and development? 233 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? So we and I'm glad you brought that up. 234 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,480 So we work, we work hand in hand. Truon golf 235 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:32,759 has been involved here since the beginning. 236 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: Oh that's great. 237 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:36,759 Speaker 1: Most your viewers and you know about. 238 00:14:36,519 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: Troon and so I love Troon courses. 239 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Truon was here hired to help build the property 240 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,399 so and operate it. So Truon has been here since 241 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,320 the beginning. So so it relates to that question. You know, 242 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,639 I still have a have a line of communication with 243 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,519 truon' I'm a direct hire with cash Preek. But but 244 00:14:57,559 --> 00:15:01,240 you know, Truon is still there, you know, as part 245 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,519 of the property and and you know, from a sales 246 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:10,600 marketing perspective to anything I have questions with operations, et cetera. 247 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:14,159 I can gain, you know, from from their help and 248 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,720 expertise in the golf business. And I actually worked for 249 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:20,000 Truon prior to coming here. So that's that's why I'm here. 250 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,559 Is I was a true employee and came to cash 251 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:29,080 Creek because Truon was here operating such a wonderful property 252 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,879 and got the opportunity to to to work here as well. 253 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,440 So so yeah, I mean I've got a lot of 254 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,559 connections within Truon that that are that if I have questions, 255 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,879 and I always bounce ideas off of you know, it's 256 00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:46,000 been helpful. And there's a lot of guys locally to 257 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,159 you know, outside the true network as you know, affiliate 258 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,159 with PGA of America, you know, which I'm a class 259 00:15:53,159 --> 00:15:57,759 APGA member as well. But you know that there's there's 260 00:15:57,919 --> 00:16:00,000 a lot of a lot of expertise in the Sacramentum 261 00:16:00,039 --> 00:16:02,799 market and a lot of a lot of good guys 262 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,200 in the golf business. It's a pretty tight knit community 263 00:16:05,679 --> 00:16:10,159 the Sacramento golf market. So and even in the Bay Area, 264 00:16:10,159 --> 00:16:13,919 everybody knows each other, so it's easy to get you know, 265 00:16:14,039 --> 00:16:16,360 to stay in touch with everybody and and see everybody 266 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,639 else is doing, and and give advice when needed. And uh, 267 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,480 you know, see other other properties are handling situations and 268 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:26,039 you know, for instance, COVID was a big one. Everybody 269 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:31,159 was bouncing ideas off each other because none of us exploded, Yeah, 270 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:33,919 none of us to handle the initial uh you know, 271 00:16:34,039 --> 00:16:38,480 initial stages of pandemic. Uh, you know, like uh Hagan 272 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:43,480 Oaks and and and in the city courses we're operating, 273 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,639 you know, through the pandemic, you know, safely, of course. 274 00:16:46,679 --> 00:16:50,159 But I got a lot of ideas from them, and 275 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,840 you know, people found that golf was a it was 276 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:54,879 a place to you know, I feel like they did 277 00:16:54,879 --> 00:16:57,200 a great job through the whole thing. So I got 278 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:00,759 back to your to your point. You know, we we 279 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,639 definitely all kind of bounced that he is off each 280 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:04,319 other and care thoughts. 281 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,319 Speaker 2: So, yeah, did you come from the troon on the 282 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,720 golf course side or the corporate. 283 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: Side the golf course side? So I started. I started 284 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,200 with the Western Mission Hills in Palm Springs were there 285 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,000 as started. 286 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,839 Speaker 2: And Ryan was was Ryan Wilson there? 287 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,839 Speaker 1: Then at some point he was before me. 288 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: Okay, I know Ryan, So yeah, right, I interviewed Ryan 289 00:17:34,599 --> 00:17:37,640 when he was when he was at Mission Hills, and 290 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,720 then was late years later I moved, like twelve years ago. 291 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:45,039 I moved and I lived right next door to Marin 292 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,960 Country Club and I was there some one of the 293 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,039 guests brought us in for dinner one night and introduced 294 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:55,200 me to Ryan, and I gave him my card and 295 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,440 he looks at me. He goes golf Smarter and went, yeah, 296 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:00,119 you know by the podcast, he goes, I was on it. 297 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:05,359 I'm like, we're doing hundreds of episodes. 298 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good guy. So that guy, he was 299 00:18:09,599 --> 00:18:11,079 there a little bit before me. I don't know how 300 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:16,359 long before me, but probably I was there twosan twenty 301 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,720 twelve or twos eleven, twenty fifteen or so till the 302 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:23,480 sixteen somewhere in there. I can't remember when he was there, but. 303 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,759 Speaker 2: Go ahead, the true network. So I was going to 304 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:34,359 ask you about geographically, let's give the audience an understanding 305 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,599 of where Cash Creek is located in northern California. 306 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is about forty five minutes west of Sacramento 307 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:49,519 and an hour from the Bay, depending where you're coming from. 308 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:51,799 If you're come from, let's put in San Francisco. 309 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:53,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's. 310 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: Well, it depends in the San Francisco traffic. But yeah, right, 311 00:18:58,279 --> 00:19:00,359 there's a lot of traffic. I mean, I have no 312 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,880 idea it could take forever. But it's not you know, 313 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,119 it's it's really pretty close. I mean, it's not a 314 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,960 bad it's a day trip property from basically anywhere in 315 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:16,160 the Bay, anywhere in the Sacramento area. Uh and and 316 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,119 and again that's most of our clientele when we get 317 00:19:20,279 --> 00:19:23,079 and they're happy to come out for the day and 318 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:26,599 leave a little bit early and play golf and and 319 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:27,640 and be home for dinner. 320 00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:31,799 Speaker 2: So and how much of how much of the do 321 00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:37,599 you draw in from those destination points, uh, starting points 322 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,920 for the casino as well. I mean, because people probably 323 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,680 just come forget about golf, they just want the casino, right. 324 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's one and we let's face it, that's 325 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,640 the that's the primary business at Cash Creek is uh 326 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,160 is the casino. 327 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 2: And cash is not spelled C A s H. 328 00:19:55,559 --> 00:20:00,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly a c G. So yeah, little a little 329 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,720 fun play on words. So yeah, it's uh. And I 330 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,119 would say, and again I don't I'm not as involved 331 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,480 in the gaming side of the business, but that that 332 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,880 is the majority of the of the the the clientele 333 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,519 there as well, you know, the Bay area and Sacramento area, 334 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:24,440 probably more so the Bay Area, I would say, But 335 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,440 but again I'm not the expert on that, on that 336 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,400 side of the business, but there's definitely some crossover. We 337 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,759 do get a lot of people who back to the 338 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:34,880 packages that we offered, A lot of people do come 339 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,559 in stay of the night, you know, they they spent 340 00:20:38,599 --> 00:20:41,440 a little time on the gaming floor and spend all 341 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,799 the time on the golf course, spend time on a restaurants, 342 00:20:43,839 --> 00:20:47,880 et cetera, so or the spot. So so it's kind 343 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,519 of turned into a fun resort destination. And that's that's 344 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:54,480 been the that's been the fun part of this whole thing. 345 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 2: All right, Well, I want to get into this golf 346 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:10,960 course here, the Yo golf course. Tell me the history. 347 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,599 Who is the designer of this course? 348 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, Brad Bell. He's a local Sacramento guy, played several 349 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,599 years in the PGA Tour. He designed some other area 350 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,079 golf courses too. I want to say Coyote Moon possibly, 351 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,039 and I don't want I don't want to throw. 352 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a Coyote Moon is a tough. 353 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: Course, yeah, from from what I haven't played yet, so 354 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,000 I guess maybe play to Truck. Yeah, I'd have to 355 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:43,039 check out a few little research into the other course 356 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,759 he's designed. But but several of the of the local 357 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,000 courses he's he's been involved in. But you know, played 358 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:52,599 some time on the tour and and yeah, they hired 359 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,759 him to to do our design. 360 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: So mm hmmm. Well, and when you think of Sacramento, 361 00:21:58,319 --> 00:22:03,440 it's pretty much fly until you get another outside hour 362 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:06,000 or so outside to the east and you get up 363 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,640 into the Sierras. And then if you go back into 364 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,319 the San Francisco area and you play the golf courses there, 365 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,039 you don't always have flat golf courses. You've got a 366 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:20,319 lot of elevation change throughout the course. Right now that 367 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,039 we're in the central part of the state here, you're 368 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,680 right in between what is the topography, what's the terrain? 369 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: Like we are in the Kpe Valley, which in my 370 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,720 opinion is sort of an undiscovered part of northern California. 371 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:42,480 It's really beautiful. We have I believe they're called the 372 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,079 Blue Mountains on one side of us, and the hills 373 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,839 are kind of on the other side. So we're kind 374 00:22:48,839 --> 00:22:53,200 of right in the middle of a valley and the 375 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,160 golf course, while it's on flat land, is in between 376 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:02,480 kind of two hill I guess hill within the valley 377 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,000 and uh, right up against Cash Creek itself that the 378 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:12,480 actual creek, and uh, it's really really picturesque. No homes 379 00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:16,680 on the golf course, which is very rare. A farmer's 380 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,920 house kind of off in the off in the distance. 381 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:24,960 But so we're surrounded by farmland and and just untouched nature, 382 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:29,240 which as everybody your audience and you know, that's pretty 383 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:32,440 rare in golf anymore. Most golf developments are are are 384 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,799 built to to sell houses. It seems like anymore. And 385 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,519 and to have a golf course that's just it's just 386 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,400 strictly golf. I really think that's what what makes us 387 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,599 place special in itself. The golf course is a it's 388 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,599 a fantastic design, I guess that's always in fantastic shape. 389 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:54,279 But to come out here and be just in nature 390 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,680 and play golf the way it was probably originally meant 391 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,680 to be played is it's special. And that's the one 392 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:03,200 thing that that really turned me on to this place 393 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,440 when I first came here. You know, even I'm from 394 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,480 Montana originally, and even being from Montana that there's not 395 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,480 that many golf courses even in Montana that don't have 396 00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:17,480 homes all over the place. It just gets old and 397 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,359 I don't think that's the way golf is meant to 398 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,000 be played. So come out to Yo and we we 399 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,440 don't have to deal, you know, worry about hitting somebody's house. 400 00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:30,079 It's just good here here golf that's the way it's 401 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:33,039 supposed to be played. So that's I think that's our 402 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:36,160 biggest plus hopefully helps kind of paint a picture in 403 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,480 the Kpe Valley. I mean, it's it's fantastic. We got 404 00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:42,359 vineyards that that run through part of the golf course, 405 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,160 so it kind of has that that Napa Valley type 406 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,680 of feel to it in certain areas, and the valley itself, 407 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:55,079 as you know, almond orchards and olive trees and it's 408 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,079 just a it's a pretty unique place. So if you 409 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,000 at our website, you can you can kind of get 410 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,880 feel a little bit through some of the photography and 411 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,319 videography we have on there. 412 00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 2: And the website is a golf club dot com. Yo 413 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,640 c H A D A D E h E golf 414 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:20,559 club dot com. Correct, yep, good, yep, good good good? Uh. 415 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:21,960 Is it a walkable course? 416 00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:25,279 Speaker 1: It is very walkable. Back to being it's it's that 417 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,680 you know that you mentioned a lot of the courses 418 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,519 in sacrament or flat. The piece of land that the 419 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,200 golf course is built on is is fairly flat, other 420 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,039 than the first t shot, which we can talk a 421 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:39,279 little bit about, oh we will, yeah, and so, but 422 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,599 you know, it might be a little bit of walk 423 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,079 You have the first t uphill, but that's about the 424 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,799 only hill you're gonna have to walk up or down 425 00:25:48,279 --> 00:25:51,920 the entire day, and so very walkable golf course. You 426 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,240 don't you don't have to walk a mile to get 427 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,640 from whole nine to ten, like we've seen at some 428 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:03,000 golf course layouts. It's just it's just laid very well. 429 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,559 Speaker 2: Yes, there there are some courses in northern California where 430 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:10,720 you've got a long walk between the green to the 431 00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:14,559 next tea box on a lot of holes. Are you 432 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:17,519 your yours is pretty much right on top of one another. 433 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: That's it, Yeah, without without being you know, annoyingly close 434 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:26,400 to the green. No, it's it's it's it's super easy. 435 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,480 It's very walkable as it relates to getting to the 436 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,240 next te box from the tee from the green complexes, 437 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,960 you know, to your point, it's not a ten minute 438 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,640 walk to the next tea box. So a golf course 439 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,160 so very very walkable. 440 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,839 Speaker 2: And how many tea boxes do you have on each hole? 441 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,359 We have all kinds of players. 442 00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we have five sets of teas. So in 443 00:26:55,079 --> 00:26:56,839 our longest I should know this off the top of 444 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,839 my head, I'm referencing my scorecard over here, but I 445 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:04,880 hold against you. Yeah, I should know this. But so 446 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,359 our longest tees are seventy three hundred and thirty seven 447 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,240 yards and our shortest teas are fifty four and twenty 448 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,720 six yards, so there's a very wide, you know, range 449 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:18,480 of playing abilities in between that and set of tea 450 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,519 markers in between that that that again back to the 451 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:26,200 playability of our golf course. It's it's very playable for 452 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:30,880 any skill set. We've had, you know, tour players play 453 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,680 out here and and you know, they definitely are able to, 454 00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:40,359 you know, put up a good number. But but at 455 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,119 the same time, they're not you know, putting up a 456 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,119 fifty eight out here or anything like that like they 457 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,000 might you know, you know, Ammuni course somewhere, So it 458 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,200 still challenges them. But again, you know, your beginner golfer 459 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:57,640 come out here wide fairways. The rough's not deep, you know, 460 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,519 very playable, very easy and and fair for every golfer. 461 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,519 But but again you can tip it out for your 462 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:07,759 better players. And John Catlin's kind of one of the 463 00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:10,400 the guys that he grew up in Sacramento. He's won 464 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,279 a few times in the European Tour and I think 465 00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:14,759 he was just actually Asian Tour Player of the Year 466 00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:17,839 this this past year. He's a Sacramento guy and he 467 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,440 comes out here quite often when he's in town, and 468 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,880 I know he's put up some good numbers out here. 469 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,079 But but he really enjoys the property, so you got 470 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,279 to get him on your podcast. Sometimes. He's a good, 471 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:29,839 good guy. 472 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: So all right, yeah, yeah, no, no, you can help 473 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:35,440 me out with that. 474 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I can. 475 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,839 Speaker 2: Witch what's your best score on the course? Oh goodness, 476 00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:44,440 got you? 477 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: You know, if I could play more than well, I 478 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,079 shouldn't say if if I did play more than you know, 479 00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:51,839 it seems like I don't play all but once a 480 00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:59,559 month anymore. Maybe I think nice, nice, But yeah, that's 481 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:02,240 wants and the blue moon, and I can do something 482 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:03,160 like that most time. 483 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,359 Speaker 2: It's that to me was the bigger surprises of talking 484 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:10,279 to golf professionals is how little golf they get to play, 485 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:12,799 because yeah, they got they got business. 486 00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:15,519 Speaker 1: To run, that's it. Yeah, yeah, we're here to operate 487 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:18,759 the business and make sure our our guests are having 488 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:22,279 a good day first and foremost, and the fun comes after. 489 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,359 Now self. You know, I should criticize myself a little 490 00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:28,640 bit here because I think most golf pros could probably 491 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,160 play a little more than they do, and I'm one 492 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,559 of them. But I don't know. I you know, I 493 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,839 keep telling myself I need to play more, so maybe 494 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,799 I'll do that this year. 495 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just curious. Cash Creek. Is it run through 496 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:49,240 the whole course? 497 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:49,799 Speaker 1: Is it? 498 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: Do you meet up with it in many of the holes? 499 00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:54,839 Is it time to play? And do you have more 500 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,720 than creeks and lakes as well? 501 00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: We do have lakes as well. So the creek itself, 502 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,559 Cash Creek itself runs parallel to holes two and three, 503 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,640 and on part of fourteen you can see the creek, 504 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,279 but it's mostly two and three. It really only comes 505 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,319 into play, I would say, on hole three on the 506 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,880 right side. If you had an arrant shot off to 507 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,480 the right, which I happen to have done a few times, 508 00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:25,240 your ball end up in the creek. So the ponds 509 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:33,519 are on fifteen sixteen, there's kind of a well, there 510 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,559 is a kind of a long pond there that runs 511 00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:40,839 along both those holes, and then again on seventeen and eighteen, 512 00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:45,839 that same pond also borders whole ten on the right side. 513 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,759 So there is some water and play on the golf course. 514 00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:53,039 There's not tons of it, I wouldn't say, but there is. 515 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:55,720 You know, there is water out there. 516 00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: So maybe you need to come to the course with 517 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,319 just more than one sleep of balls. 518 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe, And and I would say again, it's 519 00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,519 that the water itself does it comes into play, but 520 00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:12,920 it's not it's not overly unfair, if that makes sense. 521 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,119 So yeah, yeah, you know there's no island greens or 522 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,319 any force. 523 00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,119 Speaker 2: Care psychological effect. 524 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah, it's just it'll it'll, you know that. And 525 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,960 again that's what Brad Bell did such a good job with. 526 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:29,599 He had it, you know, maybe parallel holes and and 527 00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:31,640 you know, obviously if he had an air shot to 528 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,680 the to the right, a lot of times your ball 529 00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,839 is probably in the water. But but he didn't have 530 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:43,319 any forced carries or you know, anything that's unfair or 531 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,279 overly challenging, if that makes sense. 532 00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, So and you have a practice facility, 533 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,960 you have schools, you have instructors, you have academies all 534 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:55,599 that as well. 535 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. So we have a two putting greens, chipping green 536 00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:07,200 and driving range, and uh, you know to the instruction 537 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,599 are our head golf professional, Chris Sheffield. He's our he's 538 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,880 our other PGA golf professional here on site. He does 539 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,519 a majority of instruction. I'm kind of more in operations 540 00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:25,720 at this point, but but he's a fantastic instructor and 541 00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:30,759 he actually has a guest instructor back to Troon come 542 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:32,960 up from Palm Springs every summer and they put on 543 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,119 a fantastic multi day golf academy that includes room nights 544 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,680 and and food and beverage and and three days of instruction, 545 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,640 and that information is on our website as well for 546 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,480 anybody interested. But we also Chris also offers individual instruction 547 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:57,000 on a daily basis and hourly basis, you know, all 548 00:32:57,119 --> 00:32:59,920 kinds of good stuff there. So again being a resort destination, 549 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,079 and it's not like we have a membership that really 550 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,680 drives you know, ten lessons a day, but you know, 551 00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:10,279 we want instruction to be available to our guests when 552 00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:13,000 they do come. Here is a full service resort, so 553 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,680 Chris does an excellent job with that, and there's a 554 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,160 lot of different opportunities for people to be able to 555 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,920 come visit, learn the game of golf, get better, and 556 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,160 spend time on the property. So that's kind of a 557 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,240 fun deal that he's he's really grown a lot over 558 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,279 the last few years. 559 00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:34,279 Speaker 2: So awesome. The driving range are we hitting off of 560 00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:35,880 mats or hitting off of grass? 561 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:39,559 Speaker 1: So we are hitting off of matts back to the 562 00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:40,960 cool season grass story. 563 00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:44,279 Speaker 2: I prefer hitting off of mats on the driving range. 564 00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:45,200 But oh that's me. 565 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we get we get mixed thoughts on that, 566 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:52,880 and kindle explanation that maybe some of our golfers don't 567 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,519 know cool season grass in the summer, which what we 568 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,160 have is insanely hard to maintain. And we start using 569 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,279 our grass tea boxes in the summer, it will be 570 00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:12,239 dirt by middle of July into July most likely, because 571 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,039 that grass just does not grow back at a sustainable 572 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:19,159 pace in the summer and in the winter. It's so 573 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,960 you know, we get enough rain in northern California where 574 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,519 it's muddy, so mats are kind of the way to 575 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,519 go and and people are honestly fine with it. We 576 00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:32,960 have a high quality matt and so our driving range 577 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,960 you'll see when you get here, it's it's you actually 578 00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:39,280 hit over a gully all self admittedly admit it's not 579 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,559 my favorite driving range. But for our golfers, they actually 580 00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:47,880 love it. You know, if you're not, it's it's unique. 581 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,079 We'll put it that way, so you're target. It's the 582 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,960 only force carry on our golf courses on the driving range. 583 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,760 And so but you know, it's fun. I mean, it's 584 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,239 it's just unique. So the golfers that that are that 585 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,719 listen to your podcast, that they know, they know what 586 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,920 I'm talking about. You'll know when you come out here. 587 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,719 It's it's different. It's a forced carry over ravine, and 588 00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,039 it's it's interesting. 589 00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 2: So awesome. So when I'm at the driving range and 590 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,960 I'm preparing for my round at your course, what shots 591 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,800 should I concentrate working on that I may need to 592 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,800 help mail me out on the course. Am I needing 593 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,760 to punch shots from under trees? 594 00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:29,559 Speaker 1: Is it. 595 00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 2: My bunkers? 596 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:32,039 Speaker 1: What? 597 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 2: What are the things that I should be practicing and 598 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,639 warming up with on the before my round? 599 00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say with our golf course, back to 600 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,639 the putting green and kind of the whole practice facility itself. 601 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,920 You know, I would focus on the short game, get 602 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,239 a feel for a bunker on our chip, and green 603 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,840 roll some some pots, because our greens do roll a 604 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,719 little bit different than than than a lot of the 605 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,880 golf courses in our area. So they're they're just a 606 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,880 they're maybe a little bit more undulated and and I 607 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,360 wouldn't say that they're they're overly difficult, but they just 608 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,000 they just roll a little bit different. I can't really 609 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,039 explain it. But they're not fast, they're not slow, they're 610 00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:17,880 they're yeah, and they're not straight, so you know, we're 611 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,960 it's just worth rolling a few balls when you get here, 612 00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:23,320 just to get a feel for that. As far as 613 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,320 the shots go mid irons, if you can, if you 614 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,400 hit your mid irons good on this golf course, you'll 615 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,639 you'll have a good day, depending on you know, your 616 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:39,199 skill level obviously, but driver is important. But again, we 617 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,719 have wide fairways, so it's not uh, you know, we 618 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,719 don't have a lot of trees out here, so no, 619 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,719 no punt really any punt shots that I mean, there 620 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,000 are trees you could get under them, but not not 621 00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:53,239 to the extent that a lot of your traditional old 622 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,280 school golf courses have, you know, they're the tree line stuff. 623 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,320 We don't. This is not that type of course. 624 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,599 Speaker 2: So well, let's take a little bit of what I 625 00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:04,880 like to call a tea tour. We're going to pick 626 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,119 a couple holes to go over and I want you 627 00:37:08,199 --> 00:37:11,679 to give us the best pro advice on how to 628 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,039 play that hole. So, but in earlier you mentioned the 629 00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:18,480 first hole h being being unique compared to the rest 630 00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:21,679 of the course. Tell us why what I'm starting with 631 00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:22,679 our T shot. 632 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: The first T shot, and I was again, I I 633 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,760 think it's a hundred and I've heard the word one 634 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,079 hundred or the number one hundred and seventy feet above 635 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,400 the first fairway. But it's an elevated first T shot. 636 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,119 You can actually see the whole valley from the first 637 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:41,800 te so one, you're starting your pictures there, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, 638 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,719 I mean it's it's kind of the the the welcome 639 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,239 to our property. And and so the first T shot 640 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,360 again very elevated. You know, it's it's way above the 641 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,159 first fairway, but yeah, you get to it kind of 642 00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:58,480 makes you feel good about about your your golf game 643 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,000 because the ball you hit it and it just flies forever. 644 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,719 Sometimes that's good and sometimes that's bad. That's bad. If 645 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,880 you get a slice, it's gonna slice forever too. But 646 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,239 but we we make it fair and for for the 647 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,159 we kind of have a local rule and that if 648 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:16,760 you if you slice it off into the farmer's you 649 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,199 know field on hold one, you just take a free 650 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,039 drop down down by the car path or you know 651 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:26,480 we're across. So we we don't yeah, by any means, 652 00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,800 penalize anybody, make them stand up there all day and 653 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:35,000 and hit ten shots. But it's a really cool first 654 00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:36,719 t shot, very unique. 655 00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 2: So awesome, awesome. All right, Now we're in the fairway 656 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,840 of number one and pretty much straightforward shot to the green. 657 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pretty straightforward shot, and it's not an 658 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,800 overly long hole. The hole is four hundred and fifty 659 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,400 four yards from the from the back tea box. But 660 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,840 again we get that that nice elevated first tea shot 661 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,440 a lot of times leaves people with the shore iron 662 00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:04,800 at most amid iron into that green and and for 663 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,480 the better players, a wedge into that green pretty straightforward. 664 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:11,119 So nothing, nothing, There's a couple of bunkers around that green, 665 00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,440 but it's kind of a you at the fairway. It's 666 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,239 a good, good birdy opportunity for the better players and 667 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,880 a good opportunity for your average player to get get 668 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,400 a par right off the off the start. So and 669 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,039 it's part four correct, Yeah. 670 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 2: Par four? Okay, okay? What is your favorite hole on 671 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:30,239 the course? 672 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: I like hole ten the best. It's a par five 673 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,079 that that borders that pond we talked about earlier. The 674 00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,760 pond is on the right side and hill is on 675 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,639 the left side, so there's there's actually, you know, one 676 00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:50,239 of one of the hills I was talking about earlier, 677 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,440 the borders of the golf course, whole ten actually butts 678 00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:57,360 up against that, and you know, your drive is is 679 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,880 a fairly challenging drive. There's some fairway bunkers that Brad 680 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,760 placed out there just just close enough to or if 681 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,599 you had a good shot and you hit it just 682 00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:08,800 to the right a little bit, you're going to the bunkers. See, 683 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,159 there's a bit of a strategic game plan from the teat. 684 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,239 From the tee and then you have the opportunity to 685 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,840 go for it two or lay up that the green 686 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,360 is actually elevated from the fairweight it starts to climb 687 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,320 the hill we were talking about, So it gives you 688 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,000 an opportunity to if you had a good drive, to 689 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:33,920 go for the green. But it's not overly easy second 690 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,920 shot because of the hill and it slants a little 691 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,559 bit to the right, so you kind of have to 692 00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,840 lead it, you know, a little bit left and then 693 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,079 and then hopefully your ball kind of takes the natural 694 00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:47,280 slope and rolls towards the green. You know, once it 695 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,679 once it lands or or you know, again back to 696 00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:52,599 the point, it's not the easiest shot in the world. 697 00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:56,199 So so if you mishead it, you're probably gonna be 698 00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:58,679 penalized a little bit. So either in the rough or 699 00:40:59,199 --> 00:41:01,760 or hitting chipping up to an elevated green, which is 700 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,519 usually not fun for anybody and then uh, or pitching 701 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:12,039 up to and uh and or you can lay up 702 00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,239 and you know, leave yourself one hundred yards at the 703 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,480 bottom of the hill to hit up to an elevated green, 704 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,039 which I'd rather be one hundred yards away than than 705 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,079 than forty yards on that particular shot, because there's a 706 00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,280 bunker right in front of the green, and there's a 707 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,880 bunker deep too, so on the on the back left 708 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,639 part of the green. So you know, it's a it's 709 00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:35,360 a fun hole. It's just uh, it's just unique enough. 710 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:38,239 And and you know, and again it kind of has 711 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:45,519 the picturesque you know, qualities to it that that make 712 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:48,280 it just you know a lot of people say hold one, 713 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,440 but whole ten is my favorite. So okay, hold ten. 714 00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 2: And you mentioned earlier about undulated greens. Are the greens 715 00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,159 particularly large as big green. 716 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 1: They're huge, they're big greens, and that the you know 717 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,440 that that's back to the playability of our golf course. 718 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,360 I shouldn't say they're overly undulated greens, so they're. 719 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,039 Speaker 2: Not an opportunity for three putts. 720 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,519 Speaker 1: Too, there are and but but at the same time, 721 00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:15,480 it just that it leaves enough creativity and you're you know, 722 00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:19,239 to where you have to have. It makes you think, 723 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,360 you know, it's not these flat greens that sometimes you 724 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,760 see at places where it's like, well, obviously this is 725 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,920 breaking right to laugh. You have to think a little bit. 726 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,880 It's not like insane you know, slopes by any means, 727 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,320 but you know, you have to spend all the time 728 00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:37,519 looking over your pot to to really get a good 729 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:39,480 idea what it's going to do, if that makes sense. 730 00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, now tell me about your favorite part three, 731 00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:44,480 because we've already done a part four and apart five, 732 00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:46,000 what's your favorite part three on the course? 733 00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:50,199 Speaker 1: Uh, it's not thirteen, because that's I don't think that's 734 00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:55,480 anybody's favorite. Part three. Why it's it's two hundred Let's see, 735 00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:57,000 what is it? From the back two hundred and fifty 736 00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:00,880 four yards from the back tees three R three and 737 00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:04,000 just from the middle set of tees it's two hundred 738 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,400 and five yards. Front teeth it's one hundred and seventy 739 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,000 seven yards, so by no means anybody's favorite hole, very 740 00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:16,880 very difficult, almost the point where maybe it doesn't it 741 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,679 doesn't really fit with there. You know. It's almost like 742 00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:20,639 something you'd see on the PGA Tour or something, but 743 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,199 it's there's no trouble. There's a big bunker in front, 744 00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:26,440 so if you pop it or something, you might end 745 00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:30,800 up in that. But but it's, yeah, that's definitely not 746 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,199 my favorite, nor anybody else's. So to point that out, 747 00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:42,880 I think, I think, hmm, sixteen, Probably it's got the 748 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:48,800 water on the left that we talked about earlier, and 749 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:56,519 it's kind of that fun yardage. Sixteen is one hundred 750 00:43:56,519 --> 00:44:00,920 and sixty yards from the middle tees and two hundred 751 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,760 and six yards from the back teeth, so you know, 752 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,079 for your better players they've got a mid iron into that. 753 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,119 For you know, for most players have mid iron or 754 00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:14,719 a long turn into that hole. And just kind of 755 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,960 a fun shot that the green slopes from right to 756 00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:19,880 left towards the water and it's kind of like a 757 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,440 kidney shaped hole, so it depends on the back left. 758 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,280 You actually kind of have to work the ball but 759 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,519 right to left to get it over there without worrying 760 00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:33,159 about the water and and uh there's a there's a 761 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,000 fairly large ridge that runs through the middle of the green. 762 00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:39,079 So just from the tee, it makes it. It makes 763 00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:41,440 it just a little bit more challenging but fun at 764 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,039 the same time. 765 00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 2: So awesome. 766 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,039 Speaker 1: It's a good hole. 767 00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:48,559 Speaker 2: Well, well again, I really appreciate I appreciate your hospitality. 768 00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:51,280 I'm looking forward to to coming out and playing and 769 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,920 gambling and resting and relaxing and eating and getting a 770 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,960 massage and hanging out at the pool. It's not going 771 00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:01,239 to be there that long, but I'm intending to get 772 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,559 a lot in while we're there. So thank you so much, 773 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,079 and thanks for your insights on today on the golf course. Again, 774 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,880 it's the Yocha d He Golf Course in the middle 775 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,800 of Northern California golf club all right, and it's Yocha 776 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,079 Dhe Golf Club dot com. 777 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:22,679 Speaker 1: That's correct, all right. 778 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 2: Thank you man, I really appreciate it. 779 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: You appreciate ha me on