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Speaker 1: The pekan Yonashow dot com. Everything's there. I want to

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welcome everyone back to the Peaking Yonas show. It's been

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a while, but someone who's been on the show before,

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Keith Preston, how are you doing.

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Speaker 2: Cool man.

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Speaker 1: Well, just to jump right in the recently a couple

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of a couple of my friends started talking about how

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they they thought the GOP was basically giving states away

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and that rather than this young, upstart group of people

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who don't care about Israel take over the party, they'd

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rather just torpedo the party altogether. And you said, you

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saw some you saw some merit in that, but you

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thought a more interesting thing was this whole talk about

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a switch to multipolarity throughout the world and just basically

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how that doesn't really look It doesn't really look good

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for a power because a lot of the structures that

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are in place within are not going or not seeking

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to be changed.

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Speaker 2: So anywhere you want to jump off, guhad.

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Speaker 3: Well on the question of multipolarity, one thing that I

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think a lot of people are missing is what's actually

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happening on an international level. You know, there's this prevailing

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view that you find in some people, among some people

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who follow these things, that we're shifting towards a multi

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polar world and by that they mean, well, the Chinese

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are becoming more powerful, and the Russians are becoming more

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self assertive, and the United States isn't quite the global

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hedgem on it was, say, immediately after the Cold War.

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If we look at the system that was created after

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matter of taking the liberal internationalist order that the Americans

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called Empire by a couple of left the scholars who

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talked about how this world empire was developing that was

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sort of that involved the integration of the financial and

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trade systems of different countries. And this was back during

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the time when the anti globalization movement was emerging. I

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don't know how old your a typical listener is, but

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back in nineteen ninety nine there was the Battle of Seattle,

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and there used to be protests whenever the IMF and

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the World Bank and these kinds of.

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Speaker 1: My buddy Carl Dahl, who comes on the show and

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talks mostly about the Spanish Civil War. When he comes on,

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he was on the ground for that, so he's talked about.

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Speaker 3: It a bunch. Oh yeah, well that you know, for

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younger readers, there was a wave of protest against these

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international financial institutions about twenty five plus years ago when

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and this was went really at the peak of what

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of peak unipolarity, that is American global dominance, peak globalization,

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the Washington Consensus, and all of that, Peak neo conism.

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global democratic revolution and all of this kind of stuff

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republics are becoming more and more commonplace worldwide. And then

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as a gradual erosion of all of that, and largely

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CEO of globalism incorporated or imperialism incorporated, or the world

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order incorporated, or whatever terminology for because what's fascinating about

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goal the weakening of American prestige and power and all

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be a global pedgemont. How would you do it, Well,

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you would encourage American leaders to attack allies and alienate

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supposedly friendly countries, attack trading departments, and do all kinds

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of things that don't really make a lot of rational

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liberal internationalist wane of the American really class recognizes this.

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is to weaken American power prestige, which they want to maintain.

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alienating our European era allies, They're they're destroying the rules

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based international order that you know, all of these things

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we can read about in the Atlantic. We can watch

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the Boulwark and read watch dated from and here people

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ringing their hands about this, but they're not wrong when

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they say that's happened. But the question is why is

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that happen? And it's being sold to the American public

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as a matter of making America great again. Nationalisms. We're

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not going to waste I'm with these free loading Europeans

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this international mall framework. You know, we're America, do what

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we want. But it's not really having that effect. The

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actual effect that all of that has happened happening. It's

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having it's weakening, isolating the United States as a nation state.

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to the general public and to you know, the sectors

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of the of the elite or perhaps intermediary level elite

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that want that believe in nationalism that you want to

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have a Teddy Roosevelt in the type of nationalism. But

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the big picture wise, I think the United States is

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getting fired as the CEO and management of the world

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order is being transferred to regional powers and regional agglomerations.

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we see the Golf Cooperation Council rising. We see medium

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level powers like Indonesia, Turkey rising. You know, we see

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China building its network of economic partnerships now because all

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of this is happening, though that doesn't mean we're actually

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moving towards real geopolitical multipolarity in an absolute sense, because

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we're still in a system of financial unipolarity. An analogy

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to be made to the nineteenth century. I looked at

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the world order the nineteenth century. You see that you

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had a number of major empires or rising empires. You

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had maybe a ten or twelve of these. You know,

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there was obviously the British Empire, which the biggest one

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in the French, you know, the Russian Empire, the Ottomans

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America was a rising continental power. Japan was rising here

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at that period, you know, all of the other European

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colonial empires. So you had these different empires that had

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their own spheres of influence, which is a phrase, it's

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made it come back now, but it was still financially

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united for the city of London through through London to

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the financial apparatus of the British Empire. And nowadays what

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where all these different powers might have their own spheres

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of influence, whether it's China, Russia, the European Union, in

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America you Turti, Israel, Iran, so Arabia, et cetera. But

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we see that there's a growing effort to integrate the

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East and West and North and south financial systems, and

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we see that through entities like black Row and all

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of these financial institutions like I know on Todd Lewis's program,

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and he titled it the New World Orders. Here turns

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out it's black Raw And that's not too far off

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because that's what's actually seems to be what's actually happening.

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in my view is that ultimately it's the Blackrock and

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international finance wing of the administration. It's really called shots.

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gotten involved in the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. Now,

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why is a business span leading the negotiations between two

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major two major countries involved in a war. Because that's

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where the real power is. Real power is with the

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global finance in a way that transcends national borders. Uh,

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management between transfer of management to a lot of the

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regional acclomerations. You know, you've got the EU opinion, and

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you've got the bricks. You know, we've got the GCC

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and all of that, but it's not necessarily national states

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that are really called shots. National states still exist to

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all that power and influence and still do things. But

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over and above that, you have a layer of transnational

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finance that's increasingly a governmental system of its own, and

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that's currently being restructured. Where globalism or globalization where you

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call it, that's not that's not going great. In fact,

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it's a it's just the office that it's being integrated North,

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all of that apparatus is still there. It's just that

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the management structure is being altered and it's and to

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do that. For that to happen, American influence and prestige

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and power has to be has to recede. You know,

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the US has to get fired. Essentially a CEO of

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the New World Order. But the general public is not

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going to go to that, much of much of the

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elite is not going to go to that in the

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United States, So it's being sold as nationalism, big soul

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as well, make America great again, But we're not making

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Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that a lot of people would argue that,

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know they are. The same argument can be made that

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you're if you're trying to build a financial empire, which

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you know already exists, but now you're trying to, I

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guess refine it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how do.

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it home in in some way, shape or form. But

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that doesn't seem like what they're They're actually seeking to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I think they're trying to expanded into regions

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to be the financial strategy is to integrate the North,

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is being extended albart with which acquires a greater degree

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of financial integration between all these different regions and sectors.

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So the idea that globalism or globalization is dead is

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not true at all. If anything, the as is true.

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It's actually being expanded and integrated.

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Speaker 1: And it seems to me the best way to sell

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that would be under the populist you know, the populist

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label and get people excited that this is somehow going

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to improve their lives.

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Speaker 2: Can you speak to that? How do you think that.

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Speaker 1: Expanding financial empire is going to help the lives of

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the average.

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Speaker 3: American No, No, the socio economic conditions in the United

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States are going backward at high speed. What we're doing

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is we're seeing a return to the to the pre

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Great Depression era or to the nineteenth century in terms

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of class relations and in terms of disparities, in terms

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of wealth distribution. Like some people will say, we're in

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a new guilded age now are and we're starting to

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see a lot of the same kinds of problems that

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we solve in the Industrial Revolution. Like if you look

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at what happened to the Industrial Revolution, it was the

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mere image of what's going on now with the digital

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revolution and the financial revolution, in the sense that you

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saw the dislocation and disruption of long standing ways of life.

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You saw very very rapid technological change, very very rapid

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social and cultural change. You see a lot You saw

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a lot of people losing their traditional livelihoods. For instance,

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in the Industrial Revolution, you saw a lot of small

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farmers being run off of their land. You saw crafts

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people losing their livelihoods because they couldn't keep up with

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industrial manufacturing. And parallels to all of that are happening

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now with the same kind of effect. Like I know,

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way back In the eighteen nineties, San Francis wrote about

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the phenomena of the post bourgeois proletariat, and what he

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meant by that is that while the old bourgeois class

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system has largely faded, and at the time it had

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been displaced by managerialism, by the managerial revolution. Now and

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now it's been synthesized with the digital revolution, but that's

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creating something similar to a proletariant class of the type

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that emerged in the nineteenth century during the Industrial Revolution.

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That we don't call it that anymore, you know, we

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can instead of calling it the proletariat, we call it

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the pre carryat or the or the uh uh. We

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call them gig workers or or you know, or we

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call it the unemployed. Uh. But we see the same

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kind of situation going on. We see increasingly more and

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more people who cannot afford basic uh you know, life

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commodities like you know, housing, housing is want to get

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some degree of attention because it's unthinkable that somebody can

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buy a house in their twenties, you know, like like

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my parents. By the time my parents were in their

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early thirties, they'd already been through two houses. Uh. You know,

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nowadays You've have people in their fifties that still can't

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buy a house. Uh. You know, at home ownership was

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always one of those things that was associated with mintal

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class status in the United States, but you see that

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all of that is declining now, and that's due to

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the reproletarianization of labor, where you don't really have this

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kind of middle class what was called the middle class,

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but this upper strato working class that emerge in the

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post war period, you don't have that anymore. One thing

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that was unique about the American economy in the post

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war period is that you had a you had a

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working class that, for the first time in history could

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live like the upper middle class, and not just like

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the upper middle class, but also with mid to late

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twentieth century technology, you know, household appliances and TVs and

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all that. That's I mean, we still have we have

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more technology now they've ever had, but the overall living

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standards have not kept pace with that. And you know,

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we're starting to see the kind of things in developed countries,

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partically the United States, that you normally associate with the

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third world, like you know, rows of people living in

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tents along the highway and that kind of stuff like

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you would have. We used to associate that kind of

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stuff with the Calcutta back in the day. That kind

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of stuff is becoming more commonplace, but it's it's it's

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very similar to what the effects of the Industrial Revolution

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were on Europe and America when that was going on,

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and we're seeing a very similar set of circumstances of

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merging at the present time. So none of that is

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making America great again. One reason why this kind of

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populist rhetoric has an appeal is because more and more

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people are noticing this and living this, and when they

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hear things like well, we want to protect jobs or

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we want to rebuild the economy and things like that, Yeah,

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of course that sounds good, but that's not really what's happened.

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That's how it's being sold. I mean, for example, Donald Trump.

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Now I wouldn't say Donald Trump is then on some

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kind of conspiracy. He strikes me as somebody who just

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basically believes whatever somebody last told him or whatever he

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last heard himself say so. But I think that he's

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being used as sort of a tool to facilitate this

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process of transition away from American magimity towards this kind

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of system of theoretical multiplarity, but really it's a managed

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system of international finance, and then populism is being weaponized

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for that purpose. One thing we have to remember is

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that elites will put out whatever kind of message that

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serves their own interest at the time. For example, the

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woke phenomena. You know, My taken on the woke thing

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is that that was really just the liberal wing of

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the worldly class seizing on the ideas they picked up

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from campus culture and the left wing activist culture and

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then using that as their self legitimated ideological superstructure. And

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then they sort of had somebody like Barack Obama as

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their front man and that was sort of the dominant

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paradigm for a while. Then that started to wear out.

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And then one thing that was interesting is that a

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few years ago we started seeing all sense will lurch

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right word by a lot of elites, particularly after October seventh.

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I think that was a really a critical moment October seventh,

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twenty twenty three, because we saw a lot of Zionist

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in leeds lurching right word and saying, okay, well we've

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been pushing the woke line. Now we see all these

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people who took us out our word, and now they're

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out protesting genocide and Palestine. All right, so now we've

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got to we've got to do something about that. So

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let's lurch right word and pick up on this conservative

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anti woke thing, and that's going to be superstructure now.

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And then you also start to see a lot of

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rising sectors within the capitalist class or the elder wherever

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you want to call them. You start to see them

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moving in these xtent direction. I mentioned black Rock, you.

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Black Rock has been backing the Trump administration. Larry Fink

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was one of the billionaires that accompanied Trump on this

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trip to Saudi Arabia last summer. All right, five years ago,

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Blackrock was pushing ESG and BLM and all the fotique

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war causes of the period. Now they're moving rightward or

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or whether they have their hands in both. You see

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that with a lot of these tech overgarchs. You know,

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these were the same people that were throwing people off

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of social media for challenging COVID orthodoxy or or being

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too politically incorrect a few years ago. Now they're giving

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Trump money so he can build his ballroom or whatever it's. Uh.

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You know, all of these all of these things are transaction. Uh.

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They you know, they will put out any paradigm that

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suits the narrative of the moment that they want to spend.

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And I mean they would become a Islamists if they

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thought it would you know, they would become Marxists that

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they thought it would serve their own interest at the time.

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And that's kind of where we are now.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the Industrial Revolution, and you know, one thing

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about the Industrial Revolution is was it was something that

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you could see and you can hold, you know, people

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moving to cities. Spangler comparing it to like people living

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in barracks because you know, you're they're going to work,

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they don't know if they're coming home one day. But

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at least that one thing that you didn't have at

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that time was the financialization of the economy that you

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have now. Basically the economy is something that can't be seen.

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It's all ones and zeros, it's all dollars, it's all derivatives,

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it's all and you know that at the time of

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the Industrial Revolution, you could still own your home, you

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could still own your land and have like dominion over

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your land. Now your land is basically owned by the

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county or the bank or you never own it. And

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it's just as bad as it was during the Industrial Revolution.

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When you look at what's going on now, it's so

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it's hanging on by a thread because it's all financialized.

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There is nothing real about it. I mean, Michael Burry

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is betting against Palentier, betting against AI, saying that this

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is all made up, that this is all afront. This

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is just to make money, This is just to loot

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the treasury. This is just getting investors to set to

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give money that they're just going to steal and take

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from them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they'll keep doing that until it all collapses,

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until we get another great depression type of scenario. That's

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exactly where things are headed now. They're building this financial

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house of cards. It's all going to come crashing down eventually,

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and that's when we're going to have room problems.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, when you I believe that there

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are actual wars going on between the elites, I mean

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you know that there are factions out there. You have

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the zionisfaction, you have the financial faction with crossover, you

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have the you have the Silicon Valley that has crossover

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into all three. But there are people out there who

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are There are are groups out there who are making

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plays at trying to tear down exist or trying to

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basically have more influence over any administration that comes in

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there than the other elite factions. So you do see

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that there are there is a war amongst the elites

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now more than there was, say twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well, there's always been conflict within the elites.

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There was a really good book that was published fifty

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years ago called The Yankee Cowboy War by Karl Odensby,

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who was a former defense worker who sort of became

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an anti war guy in the sixties, but in the seventies.

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He wrote about how much of American political conflict of

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that era could be understood as the conflict between the

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traditional Eastern establishment, that is, the Rockefeller types and the

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Northeastern financial elites, and then the rising velt you know,

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like the industrial expansion that had happened in the Sun

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Belt in the post war era leading up to that,

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and that would be things like defense contractors and Nagara

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business and Texas oil and initially Soldan Valley was part

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of that as well. And that's sort of where the

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whole liberal versus conservative conflicts they in the seventies and

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eighties came from you you know, Burry Goldwater on Old Reagan.

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Some of those political figures came out of the sun

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Belt wing of the elite, and they started mounting a

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challenge to the Northeastern establishment. Prior to the Reagan era,

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the Water fellas pretty much of the United States, The

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Publican Party was run by Nils of Rockefeller, the Democratic

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Party was run by his brother, David So. And the

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what the Reagan Revolution was in part in part was

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the sun Belt becoming more assertive and it's asserting itself

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into the political sphere. And the sun Belt represented the

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more industrial wing of the ruling class, and then the

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Northeast represented the more financial wing. And that conflict goes

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all the way back to the turn of the twentieth century.

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So it's not like it even at the time, but

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now we've seen other layers and other sectors added. The

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tech revolution is probably the most important thing because we

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eventually Silicon Valley became a force of its own. And

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initially it looks like Silicon Valley aligned itself with the

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Eastern establishment to a large degree, but then the more

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powerful and influential the Silicon Valley elite became the more

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they started spreading themselves out, and they started we started

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seeing factions of Silicon Valley in both the Democrats and

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Republicans and within liberal and conservative groups and all of that. Yeah,

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you see that everywhere. Like a lot of people would

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be surprised to hear this, perhaps, but some of these

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social democratic politicians like AOC and zar On Mandami and

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people like that. The real material of those kinds of

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people isn't the working class poor, any of that kind

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of stuff. It's more the lower levels of the tech

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industry and then the what might be called the left

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wing of the petty bouchoise, the that is, mower media

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level enterprises that are in competition, but larger, more established enterprises,

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and also the professional managerial class, the yummie class. That's

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the real material foundation of like aggressive Democrats, you know,

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as opposed to the neoliberal centrist Democrats or the Republicans.

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So the Silicon Valley types are now the tech revolutionaries

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are spreading themselves out. I think the top level of

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that would be the people like Musk and Teal and

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some of those guys and Mark Zuckerberg, and they've sort

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of they've sort of lurst right word and thrown in

478
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,960
their lot the Republicans and tried to embed themselves in that.

479
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,079
And then there's also financialization, and you have out of that,

480
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,359
you have this whole new wave of financiers and financial

481
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,640
elites that are in some ways aligned with, in some

482
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,359
ways in competition with, and even some ways eclipsing the

483
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:12,000
more older financial elites while sort of dragging them along

484
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:13,839
with them at the same time. Again, I keep coming

485
00:30:13,839 --> 00:30:16,839
back to Black Rock, but they're as good example of

486
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,079
that as anything. Initially they were one of these startup

487
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,720
financial entities, and then they started becoming competitive with entities

488
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:29,599
like you know, the traditional Chase Manhattan, you know, Rough

489
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,440
Child type of entities, and then they've largely matched that,

490
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:37,000
even eclipsed it in some ways, but they're still interconnected

491
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,079
with it overlap. But then they've also lurched right word

492
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:44,279
and started aligning themselves with the Sun Belt and the

493
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:47,880
heavy industry and that kind of stuff as well. And

494
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:53,240
of course then there's the Zionist plutocrats that they a

495
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,680
lot of people think zion is some monolith conspiracy. It's

496
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,960
truly not. It has multiple factions like anything else. And

497
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,279
the one important the station has to be made. There

498
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,480
is between the Israeli nationalists what I call the Israeli nationalists,

499
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:11,160
and then the global the aspasionists like somebody like Benjamin

500
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,519
met Yahoo and then all of his friends and champions

501
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:18,160
in America, you know, the Lindsay Grahams, Mike Hokabes, those

502
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:23,519
people are Israeli nationalists. What they care about is creating

503
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:27,519
a greader Israel throughout the western Western Asia and then

504
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,519
creating a network of state traps and up the states

505
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,640
around it. Now, that's what Israel's foreign policy is about

506
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,160
under the La Coud. And then they've also become more extreme.

507
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,720
I mean they really really they're no longer la Kunixt.

508
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,640
They're really honest as part you know, by your guy.

509
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,720
That's what That's basically what the Israeli government is now.

510
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,440
Think of the Israeli government today. It's like a Jewish

511
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,839
version of the Kuplux Plan or something. That's that's what

512
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,160
they are. And a lot of the hardcore is Raeli

513
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,720
partisans in the United States today, that's what they are,

514
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,480
you know. That's what the Lindsay Grahams and the Mike

515
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:01,279
Hukabees and Tom Cotton and all these kinds of characters

516
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:06,680
are but the global global diaspora Zionism is more concerned

517
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,640
about Zionist influence on an international level. Southern there a

518
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,079
ghaist Israel, southa theres Israeli expansionism. But they don't see

519
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:18,119
that as the primary issue. They see issue. They see

520
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:22,680
Israel Wars as a nexus, that's a connector between East

521
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,839
and West within a global Zionist empire, the type they

522
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,680
want to create. Like if you look at the countries

523
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,839
of the northern hemisphere, from say Russia all the way

524
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:37,039
over to Australia, right you have, well, Australia's technically not

525
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:42,000
more than but it's Western culturally at least, all of

526
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,839
those have the same kind of Jewish old art classes.

527
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,680
The Russians have that, their their enemies in Ukraine have that,

528
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,359
the Europe has that, the UK has that, Canada as

529
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,759
that the United States obviously has that Australia has it.

530
00:32:55,839 --> 00:33:00,359
And while they're not necessarily in agreement about it everything,

531
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,160
it's not some monolithic conspiracy. There is a prevailing consensus

532
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,839
that you know, in favor of Jewish alegivity and Jewish

533
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,400
power and by extension of the Zionist project and the

534
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,799
Zionist ideology. So the endgame there would be a world

535
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,000
worldwide Zionist empire that's transnational that we're you know, where

536
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,440
it's Zionist elites are connected, interconnected through whatever countries in

537
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,599
which they're deeply embedded. So you have a Zionist empire

538
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,839
by default, even if you don't call it that, you

539
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,599
know it's that's what it amounts to. And you know that.

540
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:38,480
Then as far as fears, parts of the world that

541
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:40,960
aren't impacted by that, mostly it's East d Asia, you know,

542
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,440
and mostly it's uh, Japan and China and those kinds

543
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,480
of places. And now we see Zionism expanding into the

544
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,960
global South and trying to create public puppet states in

545
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,839
Africa and America. We have this thing, for example, going

546
00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:58,920
on in Latin America called the ISAAC Boards, which is

547
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,279
basically at Latin conversion of the Abraham Accords, which is

548
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:06,839
basically just about trying to create what amounts to Zionist

549
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,480
puppet states in different regions.

550
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:10,199
Speaker 2: Uh.

551
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,559
Speaker 3: And we see that in Africa, the same in roads

552
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:14,519
of that type being made in Africa, for example, New

553
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:18,639
god that's an obvious in Samala, Somala year, Samala Land

554
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:23,039
now we see this happening in in South Asia. We

555
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:26,760
see traces of this now in the Philippines and Thailand.

556
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:35,679
Uh So, Zionism is deeply embedded in institutions worldwide. People say, well,

557
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:39,440
how how is Zionism so influential? Has its available because

558
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:45,119
of the trans institutional, transnational embedment, you know, it's it's

559
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:48,000
not that there's a single world Zionist monarch, even the

560
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:53,400
orders of something. It's through cultural hegemony. Through that that

561
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:55,920
is a result of institutional hegemony.

562
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,199
Speaker 1: Well, this would be a good place to just divert

563
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,239
for a second, because before we started recording, I asked.

564
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: You what you thought the you.

565
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: Thought the most important things to come out of that

566
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,719
you've seen out of the Epstein drop so far, we're

567
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,000
doing that. We're recording this to Monday, after the weekend,

568
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,800
where yeah, they released it on a Friday and then

569
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,000
you just go nuts through the weekend trying to figure

570
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:21,079
it out. Talk a little bit about what you've seen

571
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,960
in these Epstein releases that relates to exactly what you

572
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:25,920
were just talking about.

573
00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 3: Well, the kinds of people that were associated with Jeffrey

574
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,480
Epstein were exactly the kinds of people I would just

575
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:41,360
described these were global financial cultural institutional elites, you know.

576
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,159
I mean that represent the full spectrum institutional. Some of

577
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,480
the names that have come out, Larry Sommers, who was

578
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:50,039
he was Secretary of the Treasury in the United States.

579
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,239
He was the president or channel with the title is

580
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,159
chancellor president of Harvard was it Harvard or one of those?

581
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,239
You know? We obviously Alan Dershowitzy powered attorney. We know

582
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:07,159
this association with with Epstein, the former Prime Minister of Israel,

583
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:12,000
Aarhud Barack, you know Lex Wexner, you know, a lot

584
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,800
of prominent European financiers. Richard Branson, who was a big

585
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:19,920
British capitalist, the Illians, Virgin Airlines. It's probably the thing

586
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,360
he's most known for. And we'll go down a long

587
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,039
list of these people, but we see how these people

588
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:30,480
were inter kempty connected as part of the same social service,

589
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:35,039
part of the same culture. Will mail you. One thing

590
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:38,639
that listening to journalists talk about the Epstein files and

591
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:41,320
all the stuff that was in it, it reminded me

592
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,480
a lot of a book that was a classic in sociology,

593
00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:47,159
is published back in the early sixties, maybe the late fifties.

594
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:50,280
Other things I can't remember when, but it's by Seawright Meals.

595
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,239
It's called the power Lead, and Seawright Meals at the

596
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,519
time examined the American power lead as it was, and

597
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,559
he talked about how, you know, yeah, asted you have

598
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,199
democracy or Constitution of Republic or whatever, but the strings

599
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,639
are really being hold by this power elite. And these

600
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:11,199
people circulate. Uh. You know, for example, some of them

601
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,679
may be at the top of the military. He was

602
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,360
writing writing during Some of them may be at the

603
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,480
top of the military, may be at the top of

604
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,079
the financial institutions, you know, the industrial institutions. Also there's

605
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,760
the cultural institutions like elite universities and all of that

606
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,440
kind of stuff, Like how many elites have gone to

607
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:34,519
Yale and Harvard for Princeton in these places and they

608
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:38,320
circulate among themselves. We still see that today. Somebody's at

609
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,360
Congress for a while, then they're a seat, Then they

610
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,519
have a seat on the board of directors at a

611
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:48,519
major corporation. Then they become chancellor of a major university. Uh.

612
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,760
And there's you see people going in and out of

613
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,920
the military. But there's also the media. Somebody used to

614
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,000
be in Congress, now they're a major commentator on ms

615
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,079
NBC or Fox or one of these network news programs.

616
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,159
But that's what see right Mills called the power elite,

617
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,400
or another term for it is the circulation of the least.

618
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,119
There was a sociologist named Moscow, Italian that lived in

619
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:16,719
the twenties or thirty somewhere like that used to talk

620
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,960
about this a lot of circulation of elites. But if

621
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,239
you look in the Epstein files, you see who these

622
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,199
people are. Basically, you see that they're all drawn from

623
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,920
all of these different elite institutions, and you see that

624
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,400
they all's a large degree they knew each other. They

625
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,599
were part of the same social circles. You know, top

626
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,079
level business people, top level financial people, top level politicians,

627
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,960
president several US presidents, you know Bill Donald Trump, heads

628
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,800
of state of other countries. You know media figures, you

629
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,880
know at leading academics, press people, high powered lawyers. That's

630
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,519
the power elite. And the power of these people is

631
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:04,679
their institutional embedment, the way that they are to a

632
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,079
large degree, part of the same broad circle. But then

633
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:11,400
they're spread across different kinds of institutions. You know, whether

634
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,159
it's the universities, it's a media conglomerate, whether it's a

635
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:18,079
major corporation, whether it's a government agency, whether it's the

636
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,760
president's and that's who the power of lead are, and

637
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,559
we see a lot of them are some pretty creepy

638
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,239
people too. From some of the revelations.

639
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: Well, one thing that really stood out to me is that,

640
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,719
you know, these aren't people who are just getting on

641
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,559
the phone with each other and conspiring. These are people

642
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:42,559
who've actually built social capital, you know, in person, and

643
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:48,559
I mean, yeah, it's pretty gross and disgusting and illegal

644
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,880
in a lot of cases, which helps keep people tight knit.

645
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,880
But the fact that these people like know each other

646
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:00,800
and they know they're each other's family and they know

647
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,159
that really speaks to the fact of just exactly how

648
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,760
tight knitted is and that if you think that you're

649
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,440
going to somehow, you know, vote just the right guy

650
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:16,800
in and the right guy is going to be able

651
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,760
to dismantle this, especially if that person has been a

652
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:26,320
part of it, you're probably you're probably a little bit delusional.

653
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, because well it's like a casino. It's like, no

654
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,320
matter who the ostensible winner is, the real winner is

655
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,239
the house. You know, the house always wins. Maybe not

656
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,039
in Trump's case because he actually bankrupted the casino, which

657
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,559
I don't even know how that's possible, you know, but

658
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:47,440
he did do it. So but yeah, I mean, yeah,

659
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,960
the whole voting thing. It's like, I've never been that

660
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:54,280
big on electoralism form because that's what you're doing, you're

661
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,880
voting for, you know, essentially, Well, it's kind of like

662
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,280
pro wrestling, you know, it's kind of like pro wrestling

663
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,800
is set up. Uh. You know, you have characters that

664
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,880
are pretending to be you know, doctor Evil versus you know,

665
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,880
Fuss a good guy or something, and you know, and

666
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,159
then you have the commentators, the announcers that pretend like

667
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:14,559
this is a real sport, your game, you know, even

668
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:18,000
though they're in it too and know what's happening. Uh.

669
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:20,519
And that's kind of how the politic you know, and

670
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:23,559
that's kind that's how liberal democracy works. It's sort of

671
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:28,320
like the k Fade wherest like pre selected candidates largely

672
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:33,280
screened by, you know, different sections of the elite, and

673
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,800
then they're put out there to play this contest that

674
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:39,239
insults each other and that kind of stuff. But at

675
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,079
the end of the game, the house still wins. Like well,

676
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:46,000
again back to Larry think He said that before the

677
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:49,599
twenty twenty four election, somebody asked him, you know, who

678
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:50,760
do you think is going to win or who do

679
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,719
you want to win the Trump Harris election? He said, well,

680
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,840
who cares. You know, we're gonna win regardless. If it's

681
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,880
a matter, don't worry about it.

682
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: People hear that and they think that, oh, well, I

683
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,800
know for a fact that this person doesn't like that person. Well,

684
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,920
you're always going to have that. You're You're always going

685
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,199
to have people where their personality is just clash, you know.

686
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,599
I mean, I don't know that Trump doesn't really like AOC,

687
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,039
but I'm assuming that maybe they don't get along, And

688
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,360
even if they don't, it doesn't matter. It doesn't you're

689
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,039
you know, it's you're in this box and you're arguing

690
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,480
about things. You know, it's i mean just talking about

691
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,239
basically parroting Chomsky. You're allowed to talk and argue as

692
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,920
much as you want inside this box. But as soon

693
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,159
as you try to leave that box, you know, I mean,

694
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:42,519
bullets could literally fly.

695
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there are members of families who don't

696
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,559
like each other personally, you know, they're still part of

697
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:52,199
the same family and the same as truth ruly clicks.

698
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,880
Individuals might not be able to stand each other, but

699
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,719
they're still part of the same system, in the same institutions.

700
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:00,480
You know, again, it's not that this it's all some

701
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:04,679
monolithic experience conspiracy. It's simply that this is the way

702
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:10,320
systems of power operate and where the way power is distributed. Yeah. So,

703
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,239
and and once you get into the ranks of the elite,

704
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,880
whether you're born into it or whether you somehow find

705
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,920
your way having worked into it, you still have to

706
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,239
play the game to some degree. Like a lot of

707
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,960
people say, well, why is it all these politicians that

708
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:27,400
say good things as soon as they get elected they

709
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,760
seem to sell out, compromise, Because that's how the game

710
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,360
is played. You know, you do one thing to get there,

711
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:36,519
you do something else when you're actually there. That's the game.

712
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,320
And if a lot of people don't understand that, that's

713
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,800
just how it is. Now, Like for example, take Trump

714
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,000
for example. All right, right now, what's the big thing

715
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:50,239
going on in this country. It's all the ice and

716
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,679
the anti ice protests and all that. Now, whatever one

717
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,719
thinks about the immigration issue and all that, or ice

718
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,599
or that's a separate question. But my take on that

719
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,280
is that first of all, the what the administration is

720
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,800
doing is largely a theatrical production. It's performance because when

721
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,920
you send when you build up this ice apparatus as

722
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,559
a supposed immigration enforcement agency, and you send it to

723
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:22,719
the depths of the blue zone, a blue country where

724
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:27,880
after this Somali they know, welfare fraud scandal or whatever

725
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,559
it was just happened, Right, that's obviously gonna play well

726
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:34,400
with the MAGA base. All Right, they're gonna love this,

727
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,760
They're gonna think this is awesome. It's gonna outrage the

728
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,039
people that the MAGA base hate. It's gonna outrage the left.

729
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:47,320
It's gonna you know, it's gonna outrage the Champagne liberals

730
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,079
and all of that kind of stuff. And there's gonna

731
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,119
be plenty of articles in the Atlantic about how all

732
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,960
of this is. But it's it's gonna make a DBT

733
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,360
in immigration, right, I mean, the only way you could

734
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,559
curb immigration significantly in a society like the United States

735
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,840
that is one of the probably the third largest country

736
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,400
in the world in terms of population geographically, one of

737
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,079
the largest countries in the world for the time being,

738
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:16,079
still one of the richest countries in the world, and

739
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:18,400
if you have American money, it goes a long way

740
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,320
in the global South. The only way you're going to

741
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,920
incurage immigration to a country like the United States is

742
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,039
for the state to wage a massive war against the

743
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:32,000
capitalist class. And we see that that never happens. But

744
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:35,280
who is it that profits from immigration? Now, it's not

745
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,800
somebody working on working for less than minimum wage as

746
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:44,239
a day labor somewhere right. It's the hotel chains, it's

747
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,199
the agrid business corporations, it's the landlords, it's the major

748
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,119
construction firms. All of these different types of businesses and

749
00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:56,280
industries that profit from immigrant labor, either legal or illly.

750
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,119
You'd have to take that away to make an addempt

751
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:02,320
in immigration. That's never going to happen because it's going

752
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,960
to require a massive state action against the capitalist class

753
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,079
across a lot of the different industrial and occupational sectors.

754
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:16,440
How often do we hear about any business or any

755
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:23,719
employer or any corporation being prosecuted for violating illegal immigration law.

756
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,400
Almost never. There's probably twenty prosecutions like that per year

757
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:31,679
in the United States. There have been some I think

758
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:35,840
there's been an increase of, you know, theatrical prosecutions of

759
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,840
that type lately under Trump. But typically when prosecutions like

760
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,800
that are done, they don't go after Tyson's Chicken. They

761
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,880
don't go after the Marriott Hotel. They go after back

762
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,199
Alley Asian massage parlors, you know, they go after sketchy

763
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:58,199
Mexican restaurants, like in fact, in the in the administration

764
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,800
Stephen Miller. I think there're other issues with him, but

765
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:07,800
Stephen Miller was specifically instructing Ice, don't worry about criminals.

766
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,360
Those are too hard to track down. Just go where

767
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,639
you could find the most numbers, you know, go find

768
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,599
day labor places, Go find uh illegals hanging out on

769
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:19,039
the street in front of seven eleven or something, because

770
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:22,239
that's going to create the optics. That's going to create

771
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,159
the theatrical effect. They're also going to get more numbers

772
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:26,800
that way, so it's going to look kind of sort

773
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,320
of aggressive. But the whole thing is just a theatrical production,

774
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:33,000
you know. It's uh, you know, I mean after you know,

775
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:34,639
within a year or two, if we look at the

776
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:36,599
actual numbers, we're going to see not a dent in

777
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:39,960
immigrations made. It may be on the margins, you know,

778
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:42,679
but uh, but but that's still going to be there.

779
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,840
That issue, that issue is not going away, because the

780
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,119
only way to curb immigration is but through what I said,

781
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:55,239
massive prosecution of industries and businesses and landlords who facilitate

782
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,119
illigal immigration, uh as well as a revocation of visas

783
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,719
and things like that. It's not going to happen. Chamber

784
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,159
of Commerce, I mean, the Republican Party is the party

785
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:07,880
of the Chamber of Commerce and the petty boot. That's

786
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,599
not gonna happen.

787
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, especially since it'll be it'll just be

788
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:18,920
touted as anti capitalists. And you know, obviously capitalism is

789
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:23,239
is very right wing. You know, it's like it's like

790
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,360
what had that?

791
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 2: Had that happen?

792
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's like that's like the people who want

793
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:31,559
to say, oh, this particular group in history, you can't

794
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,400
call them left wing or right wing because of economics.

795
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: Right.

796
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:38,119
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that has a.

797
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: Little something to do with it, but I mean really

798
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,880
more has to do with their attitude towards egalitarianism and

799
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:44,800
things like that.

800
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: Right right, But but what.

801
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: So if like it what nobody is addressing.

802
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: This is the one thing that you know, people just

803
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:57,639
don't want to.

804
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:02,159
Speaker 1: Talk about because everybody's living in the moment is you

805
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:04,800
could do all these things. You could close the border,

806
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,440
and it essentially seems like the southern borders closed at

807
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,880
this point. You can yeah, well you could. You could

808
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,719
deport ten twenty million people. But this there's going to

809
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,360
be an election this year, there's going to be election

810
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:23,519
next year, there's going to be election in twenty twenty eight.

811
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,599
Everything is always changing, and you know, you see, and

812
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:31,679
this is the second time. This is the going into

813
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,199
the fourth year where Trump has had the Supreme Court,

814
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:38,800
the House, and the Senate, and they're not passing any laws.

815
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,639
Like I mean, I'm not even saying laws mean anything anymore.

816
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,280
I'm saying, if you wanted to do something, you'd want

817
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,440
to cement it in law to make change.

818
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: And they're not.

819
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,039
Speaker 1: Only they're not even doing that, they're doing it with

820
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:53,360
a signature and an executive order, which to the next

821
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,079
which to the next president, even if they're a Republican,

822
00:49:57,079 --> 00:50:01,559
can overturn with another signature. So it it's like unless

823
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:04,320
you're you know, the way you have to The way

824
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,440
I look at it is, if you want to make

825
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:10,960
real change, it has to be foundational because the whole

826
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:12,360
voting thing is, you.

827
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,039
Speaker 2: Know, and they can just turn on voting machines.

828
00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think that's happened in the past,

829
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,679
and change they can, they can change what's been done

830
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,639
and overturn that in one, you know, one day in November,

831
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:29,039
and people don't want to address that. They want to

832
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:31,960
address the fact that, oh, my guy's going to do

833
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:34,800
this and everything's going to be changed forever and everything's

834
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:38,920
no politics is like it's a it's an eternal war,

835
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,639
and people just don't want especially under a liberal democracy

836
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:46,639
as such as this. There's no such thing as republic anymore.

837
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:50,719
There's no republican in oligarchy. So yeah, so I mean,

838
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:54,119
how do you even how do you even plan for

839
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:56,679
the future when you don't know what's coming.

840
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:01,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, right now we seem to be moving into

841
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,719
a period in the United States, or my first guess

842
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,719
is that the political future will probably include a while

843
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,039
swing to the left at some point. And there's a

844
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,639
number of things I based that on. One is simply

845
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:19,400
the lesson past partisan cycles. Like if you look at

846
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,920
the history of presidential elections in the United States going

847
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,960
back to at least the eighteen eighties, arguably you could

848
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,079
apply this model to the pre industrial era, but it

849
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:35,559
gets a little murkier, but at least since the eighteen eighties,

850
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,960
which is the height of the Second Industrial Revolution. Right,

851
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:42,119
you see that one party in the United States is

852
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:47,119
typically dominant for about forty years, then the other party

853
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:50,400
is dominant for forty years. Then is another forty year cycles.

854
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,679
So partisan cycles tend to run every forty years, and

855
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,719
from about eighteen eighty something up until now, we see

856
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,039
that in the forty years between the eighteen eighties and

857
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:07,239
nineteen twenties, there were seven Southern Republican presidential terms, three

858
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,880
Democratic terms. That was Grover Cleveland's second term and the

859
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,760
two Wilson terms. Then from the late nineteen twenties through

860
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,079
the late nineteen sixties there was Herbert Hoover's term and

861
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:21,719
the two Eisenhower terms, and all the rest were Democratic terms.

862
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,719
Then from the late sixties to the election of Barack

863
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:30,079
Obama there were exactly three Democratic terms, Jimmy Carter and

864
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:33,159
the two Planet terms. We're right now, we're in the

865
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:37,360
middle of what should be a Democrat dominated forty year

866
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,719
citle starting in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine. Now,

867
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,719
I don't think there's any law of history to say

868
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,599
this has to continue definitely for the next two thousand

869
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:52,440
years or anything, but if past experiences an indication. Right now,

870
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:56,159
we're in a period where the Democrats have had three terms,

871
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,800
the Republicans have had two. That means of the next five,

872
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,880
one should be a Republican term and four should be

873
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,000
Democratic terms. And I think it's very likely that at

874
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,320
some point either in twenty twenty eight two, we'll see

875
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,719
a wild swing left. And it's not just partisan cycles

876
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:18,519
that I'm basing that on. One is rising class divisions.

877
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:23,039
There's a reason why the language of affordability worked for

878
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:28,239
the Democrats in last year's election. It's a reason why

879
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,880
people who claim to be socialists and things like that

880
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:36,440
are increasingly becoming somewhat electable. We see that, we see

881
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:42,400
the economic issues. We also see the demography, the demographic change.

882
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,679
That is, population groups that are inclined to vote with

883
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,000
the Democrats are rising in size, growing in size people

884
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,159
who inclined to vote for the Republicans or shrinking demographic

885
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,000
And I've heard some Republicans and say, oh, but we

886
00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:00,039
picked up the Hispanic vote or we picked up the

887
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:02,960
blackfod in twenty twenty. Yeah, who cares. All Right, that's

888
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,800
that's a that's an exception to the rule. In fact,

889
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,639
the exception proves the rule. The fact that that's somehow

890
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:12,760
noticeable or a big deal shows what the actual rule is.

891
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:16,400
There's also generational change. I hear a lot of people

892
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,639
from the right say, oh, well, young people are becoming

893
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,199
more you know, right wing or whatever. No they're not.

894
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,519
If you look at every opinion poll, young people are

895
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:29,119
you know, zoomers are the most left leading population, and

896
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:32,800
young millennials of the most left leading population there is.

897
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:40,559
So whether it's partisan cycles, economics, generations, culture, demography, all

898
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:45,519
of this stuff points towards, you know, a greater advantages

899
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:48,519
for the left coming up in the in the years

900
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:51,079
and decades ahead. So I'm inclined to think there's going

901
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:54,480
to be a wild sweep leftward at some point. In fact,

902
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:57,639
I hear more and more talk in liberal and left

903
00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:00,199
circles about when they get in next the going to

904
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,679
go all out and wage war against the current administration.

905
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,719
They're going to put these people in jail, you know,

906
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,840
it's uh and which they kind of sort of tried

907
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,039
to do last time. And I think that brought that

908
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:13,360
that may come back with a vengeance. So, yeah, this

909
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:17,920
idea that the current administration is the savior of the

910
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,199
right or something like that. I mean, whether you're on

911
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,039
the right or left. You know, I don't really think

912
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:23,800
it's going to play out that way in Alava.

913
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:26,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

914
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,559
Speaker 1: I took to say in a couple of years ago

915
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:32,719
that I thought that in the not too just in future,

916
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:36,480
we were looking at either left or right wing authoritarianism,

917
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:44,960
and I'm thinking more more and more that that's going

918
00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:45,840
to be left wing.

919
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:53,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think the same thing because in Marxist theory,

920
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:58,840
there's this concept called bonapartes, and what that means is

921
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,159
a situation where you have divisions in the ruling class

922
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,239
that the ruling class is not able to work out

923
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,079
among themselves, usually in response to some kind of crisis

924
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:14,320
going on in the economy or the geopolitically, or some

925
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:19,119
mixture of those. So what will happen is that a

926
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,440
particular ruling class faction will step forward and sort of

927
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:26,039
edge out the others, and then they'll put in an

928
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:32,320
authoritarian political apparatus on there to manage the transit, whatever

929
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,960
transitions are going to be made on their behalf. You know,

930
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:37,639
if you read the book by Karl Marx, the at

931
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,519
pre mayor of Liui Napoleon bouleapart. That's what that's about.

932
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:43,360
That's what this turf comes from. And it seems to

933
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,719
me that what's going on right now in the United

934
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,159
States is you have different elite factions that are seeking

935
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:55,800
a bonus artism of their own, you know, whether they're

936
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,840
actually have waned it, like like I've had I've had

937
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,039
people ask me, usually people from the leftist so do

938
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:04,400
you think Donald Trump is a fascist? Know? And uh,

939
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,159
you know, is he a nationalist? No, he's a nationalist,

940
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:11,400
you know, he's he's somebody that some elite factions would

941
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:14,760
like to be a bonum artist on their behalf. Not

942
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,880
that he is a bonnet artist, but I think that's

943
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,880
what some elite fashionsts want, and they wanted a bonus

944
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,719
artism from the right. But there's also the such thing

945
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,000
as a bonapartism from the left. Like like historically in

946
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:29,920
American politics, we could say that if we had examples

947
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,159
of bonnet artist presidents, I'd say the three candidates would

948
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:39,280
be probably Abraham Lincoln and the the two Roosevelts. Each.

949
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,039
Each of those three were fairly transformative at during times

950
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,800
when there were shot divisions within the world of class.

951
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:49,159
Those are probably the three examples a bonapartists. You know,

952
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:51,880
we could argue Nixon was an attempted bone of artism

953
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,039
but failed work. But and some people want Trump to

954
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:57,840
be one. I don't think he qualifies quite yet, sort

955
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,800
of a proto bonum artist or artists want to be.

956
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:04,559
But yeah, I could. I could see a bone of

957
00:58:04,679 --> 00:58:09,880
artism from the left. And what a left boneup artists

958
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,360
regime in the United States would do is that they

959
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:17,039
would work to consolidate power. Where we have a de

960
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:21,840
facto one party democratic state. I mean, it wouldn't necessarily

961
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,079
be totalitarian like say some Union or even China today,

962
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,159
but it would be more like the PRI in Mexico

963
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:35,920
in the twentieth century, the institutional Institutional Revolutionary Party, because

964
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:38,760
the way their system works, you had a ruling party,

965
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:44,159
you had a formal democratic republic, and then you had

966
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:48,159
opposition parties that were allowed to exist as control opposition,

967
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:50,519
and you had elections and voting and all that like

968
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:53,920
in any liberal democracy, but the system was read so

969
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,800
that the pr I always want and they won, you know,

970
00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:02,360
virtually NonStop. For something like seventy years, and in the

971
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,840
United States, it would certainly be possible to rig the

972
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,039
system so that you have a one party Democratic party

973
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:13,360
state that is done for bonapartist means. There's are lots

974
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,519
of ways you could do that. You know, dust off

975
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,719
Roosevelt's court packing scheme. You could add more states that

976
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,639
are going to add more electoral votes democrats. You could

977
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,519
split up different states in ways that are advantageous. You

978
00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:30,480
could do redistricting within states that are going to create

979
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:34,880
more democratic presentatives. You could add Puerto Rico and all

980
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,519
of that. Order could do a way for the electoral

981
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:40,480
college altogether. So there are some things that involved constitutional

982
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,880
amendments that may be a little bit triggerer, But there's

983
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,679
all kinds of ways you could have this kind of

984
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:49,760
bonapartism from the left if you had a ruling class

985
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,519
or really class faction that was animate about making this happen.

986
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:55,239
And of course it's possible to have something like that

987
00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:56,920
from the right as well, But I tend to agree

988
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:02,159
with you that's less like, I don't really see the

989
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:07,960
existing ruling class as one that would want a bonup artism. Right.

990
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:11,239
There's just a range of vested interest that I think

991
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,199
would you know, obviously, one of the most popular issues

992
01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:17,199
with right nowadays, the populist right and the ground level

993
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,280
right is immigration. And it's not in the interest of

994
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:25,400
the power lead in the broad sets to restrict immigration

995
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:28,159
to any significant free me what's in it for that?

996
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,960
I can think of a lot of ways that would

997
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,320
be harmful for their interest in not too many ways

998
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,760
in which it would help them, and so they're not.

999
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:39,159
You know, if I look at the party breakdown now,

1000
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:41,360
we see that the Democrats are really the party of

1001
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,840
the elite. I mean, there are plenty of if it

1002
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,679
leads to the republic Party, I'm not saying that the

1003
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,400
public that's really a working last party. Some of them

1004
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,239
try to claim they are. But the Democratic Party today

1005
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,320
is the party first of all of Transittlandic finance capital

1006
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,679
at the very top. And then it's the party of

1007
01:00:58,719 --> 01:01:02,480
the general capitalist class, uh you know, the CEO of

1008
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:05,000
Fortune five hundred types. And then it's the party in

1009
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:07,760
the professional managerial class, you know, the all the and

1010
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,639
it's all the ideas that you know, everything from Madison

1011
01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:15,400
Avenue to the mass media, to the attainment industry, universities

1012
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,880
and education. That's the Democratic Party today, and that is

1013
01:01:20,159 --> 01:01:23,000
the party of the elite. Now on the Republican side,

1014
01:01:23,079 --> 01:01:26,800
you also have sundown capital you have tech over guarics,

1015
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,559
you know, you have financial over garks that have their

1016
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:31,920
hands and everything. You have defense contractors that have the

1017
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,280
hands and everything they can. They can go in any direction,

1018
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:39,400
it doesn't matter to them. So that would be my prediction.

1019
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:42,000
My prediction would be that, Yeah, I think at some

1020
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:43,960
point in the future we're going to see a swing

1021
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:48,519
to the left in the United States with the sectors

1022
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:52,119
of the left broadly defined them. Defining the left broadly,

1023
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:54,320
I mean, if you define the left merely as anti

1024
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,440
capitalism mode, it's going to be very you know, state capitalist,

1025
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:01,800
chrony capitalists, you gonna be socialism or anything like that.

1026
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,760
But I think I do see something emerging eventually kind

1027
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,920
of like well like California, all right, I think that

1028
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,840
the you know, if you look at if you imagine

1029
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,840
if California were nationalized and that was the national model

1030
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,480
in the United States. California is a Democratic party, one

1031
01:02:18,519 --> 01:02:22,840
party state. I mean, you know, even you, Gavin Newso

1032
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:28,280
couldn't get unrecalled in uh California. You know, I mean

1033
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,519
to to if you're a Democrat to be voted out

1034
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:34,440
of office, you really have to screw up report. Uh.

1035
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:38,039
And I think that the you know, the nationalization of

1036
01:02:38,039 --> 01:02:41,440
that model where I think the if you imagine, if

1037
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,920
you the United States were to become more like the EU,

1038
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:48,280
this kind of you know, model of technocratic governance, you know,

1039
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,559
within the concepts of a trade zone and currency union,

1040
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:55,760
only with a more Latin American type class system and

1041
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,599
and some other kind of you know instability you see

1042
01:02:58,599 --> 01:03:01,280
in Latin America as well, like like in Argentina, for example,

1043
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,519
the Prona's tradition. You've got the left pronas and right

1044
01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:08,599
coronas and you know whatever else pronas. But but there's

1045
01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:11,599
always this you know, crazy back and forth while swings

1046
01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:13,960
in different directions, you know, like right now, Malay is

1047
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,800
sort of challenging all of that. And I suspected they

1048
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,599
say they'll get tired of him, then they'll bring in

1049
01:03:18,639 --> 01:03:22,480
something else. They'll go back to paranism or neo pronism,

1050
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,840
paleo proonas. But yeah, so I see I kind of

1051
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,239
I see America going that way in the future. I

1052
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,559
see Americas becoming sort of a hybrid of the EU

1053
01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:36,960
and Latin America politically and economically and culturally in many ways.

1054
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: If financially things get worse and worse for the average person,

1055
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:48,880
and you have two parties that neither one is going

1056
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,559
to go to war against the capitalists class that is

1057
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:55,559
doing this, it's going to be whoever is narrative is

1058
01:03:55,719 --> 01:03:58,519
best is going to win. And it always seems like

1059
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,519
in that case the narrative on the left usually wins.

1060
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 3: And the demography and culture and generational evolution.

1061
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and you're bringing in people from other

1062
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:14,320
you know, with the mass immigration, where people are really

1063
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,639
worried about what they're going to get for free and

1064
01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:20,920
what kind of patronage networks are going to be set

1065
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,559
up for them. The right doesn't set up patronage networks

1066
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:26,239
for the people who support them. And you know, and

1067
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,639
the left will give you, will give you a three

1068
01:04:28,719 --> 01:04:31,760
hundred thousand dollars a year, no show sinecure a job,

1069
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:34,360
or get you elected to you know, get you elected

1070
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,000
to Congress, and the right just doesn't do this for

1071
01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:40,480
the people for you know, the people who would want

1072
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:42,159
to support them.

1073
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think the problem the right has is

1074
01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:48,159
that the right has too many internal contradictions that are

1075
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,119
they're pulling the right in all kinds of different directions.

1076
01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:54,280
At the same time, there's a lot more unity on

1077
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,000
the left, and I think that which is ironic because

1078
01:04:57,039 --> 01:05:01,239
the left actually has a more first coalition and demographically,

1079
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,480
but there's more ideological I reveal. With the more ideologically,

1080
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:10,199
it's more partisan. You. Yeah, I've noticed that, For example,

1081
01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:14,719
in Congress, the Democrats are a much more disciplined party

1082
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:19,199
in terms of just organization and keeping members in line

1083
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,679
and policing their own ranks, and the Republicans publicans to

1084
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,000
just have a well, I'll put it this way. I

1085
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,719
think that comes down to the political cultures of the

1086
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:32,199
parties and the demographics they represent. I've been to Republican

1087
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:36,840
and Conservative insider events, and I've also been to Democratic

1088
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,800
Party insider events, including visits to the homes of Democratic

1089
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,480
senators and stuff like that. And what I've noticed about

1090
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:48,679
the Democratic Party in its interior is that it's very

1091
01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:52,880
similar to student government in high school. That's a you know,

1092
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,239
a lot of people on the right have this idea

1093
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,760
that the Democrats are Marxist revolutionaries or something. Now you

1094
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,760
find that on the far left perhaps, but but the

1095
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:06,679
Democratic Party proper or technocrats and the culture is very

1096
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,599
student government in high school. You know, it's it's more

1097
01:06:10,639 --> 01:06:14,440
about careerism and status, and you know, it's and that

1098
01:06:14,519 --> 01:06:19,760
kind of stuff. What I've seen of Republican insider events

1099
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,800
like say visiting Seapack and that kind of stuff, it's

1100
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,719
basically a convention of East Car sales. It's it's like

1101
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:31,639
it's like everybody's got some hustle, some angle that they're working,

1102
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,840
but in a way that prevents actual disunity because everybody,

1103
01:06:36,599 --> 01:06:40,559
everybody's backstabb everybody else. You know, everybody's badding out like

1104
01:06:40,679 --> 01:06:43,480
everybody else. And the scenes, I mean, we see a

1105
01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:45,480
lot of that going on right now, particularly in the

1106
01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:48,719
after aftermath of the murder of Charlie Kirk. You know,

1107
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,559
we see a lot of stuff going on on the

1108
01:06:50,679 --> 01:06:53,039
right and and the and the right I think is

1109
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:59,079
just culturally an institutionally much more disunited, uh than than

1110
01:06:59,159 --> 01:07:03,960
the left. Now, the left culturally is somehow better able

1111
01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:07,239
to police its own ranks and organized and work as

1112
01:07:07,239 --> 01:07:09,719
a team when in their interest to do so.

1113
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something that that has become very clear. We

1114
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:22,239
had do you know who Jeff Younger is what Jeffy

1115
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:27,599
young Jeff Younger, No, I don't know, don't think he's

1116
01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:30,159
a guy from Texas who went through this whole thing

1117
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:34,320
where his to get the laws changed about trends and

1118
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,360
kids in Texas because his wife decided she was going

1119
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,159
to trans you know, their kid and everything, and he

1120
01:07:40,199 --> 01:07:43,000
had no rights over it. She ended up taking him

1121
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:47,880
to California, where you know, younger had absolutely no say,

1122
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,440
and he just became he became entrenched in Texas politics.

1123
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:56,599
And he just says that like you go to a

1124
01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:00,000
left wing event, you go to like a Democrat Party event,

1125
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,639
And he went to a Democrat Party event and he said,

1126
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,920
I'm here because I'm interested to fight for trans kids' rights,

1127
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:09,360
and they like walked him over to a table said

1128
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,519
talk to that person. We'll get you set up and

1129
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:13,199
we'll get you the He said, you go to a

1130
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:16,840
Republican event and say I'm here for this specific thing,

1131
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:20,720
They're like, have a seat over there, buddy, don't even

1132
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,920
don't try to change what we have going on here.

1133
01:08:23,079 --> 01:08:24,560
Speaker 2: Don't try to rock the boat here.

1134
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: And you know, he just had to become one of

1135
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,760
these guys who, like, if he wanted to get a

1136
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,479
politician out office, he had to track down like their

1137
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,079
major donor and dig up dirt on that donor and

1138
01:08:37,119 --> 01:08:38,520
then just go after people.

1139
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean.

1140
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 1: He's just he was really able to on the ground.

1141
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,359
And if you know anything about Texas politics, it is

1142
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,039
one of the worst states. I mean, there's not there's

1143
01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:55,119
no such thing as a right wing politician in that state.

1144
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:58,039
In the Republican Party, I mean, it's all just graft

1145
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:02,760
and everything. And yeah, yeah, he just yeah, I mean,

1146
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:08,239
he just proved that the Democrat Party is way more

1147
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:13,039
organized and way more dedicated to their mission, even if

1148
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:15,760
it's something horrific, as long as they have the power.

1149
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think the issue there is that socio economically,

1150
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:25,039
the real base of the Republican Party is not the

1151
01:09:25,159 --> 01:09:29,119
working class. It's the petty bourgeoisie. And that's the sector

1152
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:34,279
that's accustomed to seeing everything in terms of transactionalism. It's basically,

1153
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:37,000
how's this going to affect my bottom line? Right? Well, okay,

1154
01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:39,319
if I'm all right, well this guy over here, he's

1155
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:41,800
against trans rights or whatever, Well, is that could affect

1156
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,560
my bottom line or not? Well maybe not so get that.

1157
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:50,560
There's most Republicans are not driven by theology. There's this

1158
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,359
perception that some people on the left half of Republicans

1159
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:55,760
are mostly you know, far right being extremists, and then

1160
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,039
they may be a little sub culture to that or something.

1161
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:01,920
But most Republicans real base and republic party is the Pity,

1162
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:07,199
which was the small capitals, small small corporation people. Uh,

1163
01:10:07,239 --> 01:10:09,680
you know, somebody that owns a regional chain of car

1164
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,880
dealerships and that kind of stuff. They only care about

1165
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,079
their bottom line, you know. That's the that's the party

1166
01:10:14,079 --> 01:10:15,600
of the bottom line. And even when you get to

1167
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,439
the more elite level, it's the Chamber of commerce types.

1168
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,680
And again it's all about what's good for business. Uh,

1169
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,079
if can we sell can we sell to them? Politics

1170
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:27,079
is like a product, you know, can we sell this?

1171
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,119
And what are the liabilities of trying to sell this?

1172
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:34,079
You know, So it's all just about how it's going

1173
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:39,359
to affect their ballot sheet. And that's the Democrats, based

1174
01:10:39,399 --> 01:10:42,439
on my experience with I was compared to the student government.

1175
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,479
But they're also kind of like the Episcopal Church or

1176
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,760
maybe the Catholic Church or something like that, in the

1177
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,239
sense that, yeah, there is a party line, there is

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a howard, there is a system of authority, and there

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is a creed and there is a dog and you

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know if you go against that, well then we have

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ways of controlling that. You. I mean, you see that

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in a way that Democrats run their primaries the party

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primaris they can. In the twenty twenty election, and Andrew

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Yang has claimed, I don't know it's true enough. Andrew

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Yang is playing that during the primary debates that they

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were cutting off the microphones for him, Tulca, Gabbert, Mary

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and Williamson, maybe Bernie Sanders because they just didn't want

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them to speak. They wanted the House candidates, you know,

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not the maverick candidates to be the speakers. Then when

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Bernie Sanders started winning in the in the Levada primary,

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they you know, Barack Obama got on the phone to

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all the House candidates that said, okay, we need for

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you to pull back now, bo Jedge because we're going

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with Joe now. You know, these are going to be

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our lead man. And that's how they do things that

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they did the same thing with the twenty twenty four primaries.

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You had these maverick candidates that they're the primaries. Uh,

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you know, you had Robert Kennedy Junior initially and Iront

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Williamson of Gad and Shane from the Young Turks and

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people like that. And and I think was it Reid

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Hoffman not read hoffaillionaire who was There was another guy

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sort of a centrist Democrat type. I remember who he was,

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Phillips something Phillips maybe I don't know, but uh, Anyway,

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the Democrats basically said, well, we're just not gonna do

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primaries and uh and then when it came obvious that

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Biden couldn't function enough to get through the rest of

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the election, they just said, Okay, well we're just gonna

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pull him out and we're gonna put Kamlay and we're

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not gonna do primaries. You know, this is it's like

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they'rennoying at her homecoming. Wait basically you know, and uh

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so that that but that that represents a well structured,

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well organized, disciplined party. You know, if you if you

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you want your party to be successful, you want them

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to be like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave it there, man, we could talk. We

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could talk about this. We go on about this forever.

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So yeah, tell people where they can find your stuff.

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Anything you want to plug.

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Speaker 3: Uh. I have a website that I am the chief

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editor of Attack the System dot com, just like it's

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called attack the System dot com. I'm on Facebook, I'm

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on uh Twitter or x as it's called now, I'm

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on substack, so and you can google my name and

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just find all kinds of stuff about me and see

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what enemies as well as friends.

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Speaker 1: Say, well, it was great catching up and thank you

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really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Not a problem.

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Speaker 3: H