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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist and

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David Arsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. Hi, Molly,

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how are you doing. I'm doing well. Let's start today

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by remembering David Horowitz, who passed away a couple of

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days ago, I believe, maybe yesterday. I don't know if

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many younger listeners maybe know who he was, but in

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the nineties and the two thousands, I mean he was

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one of the I would say, leaders of the conservative movement,

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intellectually for sure, and a real fighter. And I was

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sad to hear that he passed a way he was

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eighty six. I'm sure you know his story, but listeners

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might not all know it. He began on the as

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a man of the left. He was a born into

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a communist family in Forest Hills, Queens, New York, where

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I was born, and was a radical I would say

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in the sixties as well. He was an editor at

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ramp Arts magazine I think it was called, which was

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a big leftist magazine at the time, moved to Berkeley

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and all of that and was a big part of that,

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but slow and wrote some actually I think best sellers

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about the Kennedys and Rockefellers. Maybe I forget all his books.

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He wrote them with a man named Peter Collier I

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think his name was, but slowly moved to the right

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and became a staunch conservative. The book if I were

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to recommend a book for anyone to read that David

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Horrowitz wrote, and I believe he wrote like Dozens, it

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would be radical son. It's a memoir of his life

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but also sort of a I would say, an ideological

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case for conservatism. It reminds me. I would say, it's

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like a modern version of the book Witness. You know.

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It is just really beautifully written and very passionate. I

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knew David. He actually gave me my start in political writing.

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I can't say I was great friends with him, but

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I spoke to him numerous times, and he was you know,

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he played a part in me turning from what a

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you know, regular non political journalism towards political journalism in

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the in the early two thousands. So anyway, I just

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wanted to mention.

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Speaker 2: How did how did you? Where did you write? For him?

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Speaker 1: So when I was after nine to eleven, I felt

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like this need to write about politics, and I didn't

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know where to start. So I approached Front Page Magazine

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I think it was called that he used to edit,

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and uh, I start, you know, and I kind of like,

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I forget what I did. I'd written for the Associated Press,

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where I worked, I think at the time where I

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met him, I'd written some book reviews, you know, and

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things like that, and I sent it to him and

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he was like, yeah, write for us, right for us.

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I forget the exact conversations, but he's definitely pushing me

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towards that, and I did. There were probably terrible pieces,

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but he gave me a chance, you know, to start.

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And don't blame him if you're if you're not a

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fan of David Harsani, But so you know, later on,

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I kind of lost touch with him. So I haven't

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really spoken to him, I don't believe in years. But

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I thought he was a nice man and a real passionate.

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You can go online on like YouTube and watch videos

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of him. He was the kind of guy that would

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show up at a Berkeley campus and debate all comers.

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was a real fighter and in an intellectual and philosophical sense.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I first off just very much respected him.

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I don't love you know, how many people on the

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right came from the left, But his story, for some

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reason didn't annoy me. Like sometimes when I read people's

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conversion stories, I'm like, that was stupid that wherever on

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the left. So I am having trouble trusting you. In

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his case, as you kind of laid out, it makes

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more sense. And his conversion was, you know, complicated and

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time by that point, really fighting college radicalism. And it

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frustrates me if people had paid attention to him then

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when he was talking about all of the problems with

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political correctness and how it was perverting education and how

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it was poisoning minds, you know, he should have been

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treated much more seriously by powerful people on the right,

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because he was so right about all of it and

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it could have helped us avoid a lot of pain

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in our country. But he also was you know, kind

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of how you said, he when you wanted to, and

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I was on book tour for both books, and he

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was just great about hosting things and inviting people to

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come and speak and gathering really interesting groups of people

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both you know, during COVID, I did one and it

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was in Florida, but usually it was in California. Although

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did you know he moved to Colorado late.

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think it was like near Castle Rock, which is where

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Speaker 1: The in the two thousands, he had these Second Thoughts

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festivals where actually assembled people who had come from the

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left to the right and other interesting people to debate,

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like I was. I forget exactly, but I think Christopher

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Hitchins was at a conference of people like that, and

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he would, you know, he would debate them in a

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really intellectual way, but very accessibly, you know, and passionately.

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the last time I did something for them, I did

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some conference for David Horwitz in Dallas, like in twenty ten.

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I'm not sure I've spoken to him since, so, which

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now makes me sad and maybe is a lesson that

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I should reach out to people I respect, even when

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we began to disagree on things. Anyway, Rest in peace, David.

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Why don't we talk about the first hundred days? Since

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everyone else is doing that? I think the first Yeah,

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I think the first hundred days is typically not very important, actually,

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but in this case is because it seems to me

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that Donald Trump is trying to get a lot done quickly,

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and actually I don't think that. I think people in

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the administration have said that. So I don't want to

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I don't know. Do you want to do? You want to?

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Speaker 3: Do?

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Speaker 1: You want to start?

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about how we think it's gone? I

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was just thinking about how I think the first hundred days.

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That's a relic from the FDR era, right, but we

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have come to sort of appreciate, Okay, what's the first

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hundred days really set the tone for what's going to

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be done during an administration? And I do think these

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first hundred days have been absolutely fascinating and interesting, and

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I want to talk about it. But the first hundred

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days of the first administration were also really interesting and

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to me relevant to what's happened thus far this time.

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we let presidents put together their cabinet and get their

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agenda going, and then after one hundred days, the opposing

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party comes in and starts whacking them after they help

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approve all of their people for cabinet positions and stuff,

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and you increasingly in recent years hear people say on

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day one, I'm going to launch a rocket to Mars.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: They come up with all these things they are going

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to do on day one, and so it's a way

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to kind of test whether they've followed through with any

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of that. But when Donald Trump won in twenty sixteen,

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I think he thought it would be even you know,

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even as weird as he is and everything, I think

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he thought it would be a normal presidency where the

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Republican Party kind of comes together and the Democrats let

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him put together a cabinet, and so he picks like

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a nice, very establishment friendly cabinet, you know, Mitch McConnell's

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wife is in there, you know that kind of thing.

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Ryan's previous is his chief of staff, and unbeknownst to him,

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the coup has already begun, like before he's even set

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foot in office, where Democrats, the bureaucracy, and even a

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lot of Republicans join together in claiming that he's a

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Russian asset, and it just undermines everything. You know, before

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he's even inaugurated, people say he might not make it

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to inauguration, and the Washington Post waits like ten minutes

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after he's inaugurated to call for his impeachment. It's just crazy.

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this term, he immediately understands the bureaucracy is the threat

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that they showed and proved themselves to be during the

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first administration, and he just starts going against them right away.

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like that he actually learned his lesson from the evil

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that they committed during the first term.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you want to talk about this term? Start,

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you know, telling us what you what you think of it,

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you know, if I don't know how we want to

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do it or great. I mean I can start if

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you want, but yeah, why don't you all right? You know,

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for me, it's been an incredibly mixed bag. Like usually

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Obama will come in and I'll be like, oh, he

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did this one little thing I like, but generally I

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don't like him. But Donald Trump has done things that

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I love and things that I hate. I'll start with

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things that I like a lot, and that's that he

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shut down the border. I mean, he didn't just prove

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that the entire Biden and you know argument that we

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needed more laws and more funding and more this and

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more that to do it was a lie. He he

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secured secured the border within I don't know what it was.

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I think within two months it crossings to drop like

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ninety five percent. So that isn't a great achievement. I

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think it also shows that the Biden administration was was

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allowing people to overrun the system on purpose. I don't

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think that's a conspiracy theory anymore. I think that that's proven.

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So I was big on that. I like Doge a lot.

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I think people over at will vastly overestimate how much

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money is going to be saved there, including I think

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Elon Musk I just, I just there's not gonna be

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a trillion dollars in cuts. But for me, it was

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also very successful because it dismantled, you know, or weakend

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a lot of these agencies that were extra constitutional. They

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should not exist, and they definitely should not exist in

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the manner they did, where they function without any real

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oversight from the government or the people or the constitution.

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Those are the two things that I thought of that

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I really liked. I mean, I also like the deportation

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of some of these people who are foreigners who are

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causing riots and insurrections here. I also liked that stands

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with Israel. I like that he went after Harvard and others,

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though I don't I think it should be all the schools,

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you know, I don't think that we should you know,

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that the administration should be picking on one school. I

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don't understand why any of these schools are with huge

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endowments get this kind of money. I don't know. So

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those were the things that at the top of my

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head I really liked that he did. Do you want

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to start with what you liked or do you want

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me to go on of the things I didn't like.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead and keep going with what you.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I don't like any of his economic policies. I

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think that the whole protectionist Liberation Day thing was rolled

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out terribly. Even if you're for that, there's mixed messages,

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there's conflicting messages. We just saw today that there was

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a contraction in the GDP, which is not good. All

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the underlying numbers are not very good. Obviously I don't

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like the policy as a matter economic policy in itself,

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but I also think that it's not handled well, and

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I think that's the most dangerous thing going on for him. Well,

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could undermine his entire term and is bad for the

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American people. So that to me is an incredibly negative

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thing that he's done, which you know, almost outweighs all

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the good I think, and not really, but you know,

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it is it is something I think is as serious.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I don't know. I really loved the first

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much winning. Do you remember that when he was running

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the winning. And I almost felt that way, Like early

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on it was just every day was another beautiful thing.

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Firing of federal employees. I've covered the federal government workforce

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for decades, and you cannot fire them. Nobody ever does it.

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And you get all these Republicans coming in and they

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say they're going to do it, and then they never

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do it. You know, moving to close the Department of Education,

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something Reagan said he would do, and you know, you

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see actual movement after forty plus years of people promising

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that they would do something and not doing it. And

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it was just really fun and good. And it also showed,

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you know, I think there's this thing Michael Malice always

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refers to conservatives as progressives with a speed limit, and

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that is that is very much what it has felt like.

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the Department of Education, and we say we're not going

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to expand it. Well, what if you had a really

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different approach to how you would govern? And also when

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you're just democrat light, it doesn't seem to work or

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excite people in terms of party coalition building. So I

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liked that stuff. I like Doge in general, the understanding

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that you would take really bright people, have them look

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at what we're doing and offer meaningful ideas for how

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to limit the size and scope of government, something I

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was long told that libertarians and conservatives cared about. And

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I like it. I wish it were I wish it

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be unleashed a little bit more like I hate that

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Elon Musk has to leave in a few days. Not

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that it's him doing it alone, but we have all

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sorts of rules that enable the evil forces to dominate

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and make it really hard for Americans to fight back

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against an unelected, permanent bureaucracy that controls our entire country.

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I loved finding out how USAID and other federal agencies

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finance the Democrat Party and its supporters through jobs programs

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and other things that Republicans don't benefit from. It's weird

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because I should have known all of that, Like I

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always understood that the federal workforce and the contractor workforce

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are little hubs of the Democrat Party as anyone, as

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like any right of center person working in those spaces

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will tell you they're overwhelmed by the number of Democrat

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activists who work in those fields, and it's taxpayer funded,

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and they are just this reliable voting block. They've kind

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of destroyed Virginia because of how many of them live

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here and vote for Democrat policies. But it didn't really

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occur to me how much of the other parts of

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the economy are also financed by Democrat patronage. And it

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opened It just made everything make so much more sense

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when I realized, oh, yeah, Democrats come into power, they

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fund their own voters through NGO programs that also exist

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to push the Democrat agenda, not just nationally but internationally.

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And it answered a lot of questions about why if

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everyone I kind of know, not everyone, why have so

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many of the people I know don't support, for instance,

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trans radicalism, How is trans radicalism able to make any ground. Well,

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when you control the media, and you control the federal government,

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and you control the contractors, you control the NGOs, and

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you control all the things that drive the issue, it's

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easier to move things in your direction even when you

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don't have the people behind you. And so I just

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not think the Trump people enough for that. I do

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love the deportations, but they're nowhere near where they need

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to be. I mean, Biden, as you noted, and as

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I long said, he was willfully tearing down our border.

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It wasn't like the invasion just happened. He went out

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of his way to remove every single thing that the

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Trump administration, the first Trump administration, had done to erect

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any kind of border security. And it was so wilful.

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He chose to have our country overrun by without any

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due process, without any rule of law, to have our

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country overrun by people who broke the law to come

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into the country. And I'm glad that they're deporting. I'm

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glad also that the change of posture means that fewer

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people are even trying to break and enter into the country.

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But it's not where it needs to be. I mean,

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it should be four times as many people being removed

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if you want to make up for what Biden did.

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So I like the deportations, but there need to be far,

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far more of them. You said you were opposed to

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Trump's economic policies, and I cannot say I agree with that.

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I think one of the most important things of the

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first Trump administration was how he approached regulatory policy and

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understood how regulation harms harms the GDP, harms economic growth.

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And he again first Republican president to do this, after

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they all claimed they opposed a regulatory regime. He said

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you couldn't. In the first administration, he said you couldn't

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pass a new regulation unless you had gotten rid of

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to others of the same size, and that did a

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lot to help, and also just speeding up the regulatory

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process by which decisions were made, and he actually ramped

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it up in he is so far ramped it up

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in this administration where you have to get rid of

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even more regulations before you pass the new regulation, and

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is working on speeding up regulatory review at all the

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regulatory agencies. And I love that because I love innovation

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and I hate over regulation, and we really have an

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economy shackled by overregulation. And then as it relates to tariff,

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she pointed out that the GDP actually went negative this

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quarter and a large part of that. Part of that

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is actually some of the reigning end of the government,

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but a large part of that is because of the

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tariffs that were front loaded and some of the effects

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of that. And I remain open minded, you know, I

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generally don't love tariffs, but unlike you, I hate them

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in other countries as well as our country, and so

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I love that we're taking a tariff forward to people

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to get them to lower their obscene and ridiculous and

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damaging tariffs against our countries producers and manufacturers. I am

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appalled that all these people who claim so much to

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care about tariffs, like never said anything about what Germany

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was doing to our manufacturers or what all these other

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European countries were doing. Where our manufacturers have their intellectual

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property stolen by China, and we're told this is the

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free market to steal intellectual property and to use slave

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labor to pay for the manufacturing of the property of

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the intellectual property that is stolen from our people. So

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they're undercut domestically by cheap Chinese goods and products and

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software and all that stuff. And then you also can't

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sell it abroad because of the horrific tariffs on countries

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that we, by the way, finance their defense and we

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enable them to have these gross welfare states. They put

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high tariffs and other trade barriers on our products. We

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do nothing about it, and we get undercut by China

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stealing everything. So I understand that it might take some

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time for this all to work out, and to get

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other countries to back off on some of their tariffs

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so we can lower our tariffs, and that we can

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build up our manufacturing base for national security reasons like

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that all might take time. It also might not work,

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as you point out, But I'm very happy that someone's

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trying to do something, and I'm getting increasingly angry at

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all the people who never cared about these horrific trade

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barriers and tariffs that other countries were putting against our people.

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And in fact they say it was good for us.

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We had this great economy, everything's great, so you shouldn't

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care about it. Well, tell that to the guy in

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New Jersey who can't sell in Europe because of all

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the trade barriers and is getting undercut by China stealing

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his designs.

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Speaker 3: The people out there that follow their politicians off a

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cliff are a bit of a problem.

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Speaker 4: The Watched Out on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski.

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Every day Chris helps some packed the connection between politics

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and the economy and how.

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Speaker 1: It affects your wallet.

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Speaker 3: Many pensions are down billions after the market sell off

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from the tariffs. Could this mean pension cuts down the road.

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Some people out there fail to see the force for

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the trees.

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Speaker 4: Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street,

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it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 1: Be informed.

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Speaker 4: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with Chris

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Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: I've never that's a lot. I've never heard a single

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person whose pro free trade say, oh, it's good the

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China steals our intellectual property. I see this online all

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the time, Yet I'd love for someone to produce this

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person for me, because it does not exist.

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Speaker 2: They say things like talking about trade deficits is stupid

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because it means that you because it means that you

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just make a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what that means. Trade deficits are good.

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Having them is good. They should be called rich, the

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American wealth factor or something. I can't think I do.

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Speaker 2: So take this guy in New Jersey, right, he can

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buy cheap everyone can buy cheap products from China because

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they stole his intellectual property. And yeah, his business doesn't

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work out and he can't like provide for a family.

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But the trade deficit is actually pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, trade deficit. It's not pretty good, it's excellent. But

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I want to say this, you're pointing them one person

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and not the many, many other people who succeed because

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of the environment we have. But let me just say this,

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I don't want to argue about those specifics. I want

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to overall say that you make a very passionate case

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for this, but that's not the case that Donald Trump made.

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It's not the case that the people that Peter Navarro makes.

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They're saying that protectionism is good for America self sufficiency,

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not trading with anyone like you're saying, oh, with these

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horrific tariffs, give me a break. There were basically no

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tariffs on most goods going to Mexico and Canada, and

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then he started a trade war with them, the idiot

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David No, no, no no. And Europe does not have

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high tariffs on us in general, yet we I think

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it was over one hundred countries we slapped with higher

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tariffs than they had on us. So I'm not you know,

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you were making a faith that does not exist.

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Speaker 2: What changed between the first Trump administration when they worked

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out a trade agreement with Mexico and Canada and when

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Trump instituted tariffs on them.

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Speaker 1: No, what changed he made those deals by the way

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that he did is breaking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what did China do instead of you know

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what Mexico and Canada did is they welcomed China in

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as a pass through to get around the tariffs that

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had been put on China. So do you think that

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the response to Mexico and Canada welcoming China into all

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of their processes should be nothing.

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Speaker 1: As the economy craters. We've now changed this, We've now

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the whole tariff argument has now shifted to this idea

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that there's all kinds of pass throughs. There are some

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pass throughs, there's not a ton of pass throughs. So

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you can make a deal with Canada about pass throughs.

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But that's not what he did. He slept a thirty

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five percent tarif for whatever it was.

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Speaker 2: How do you make a deal. Do you say, I'd

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like to make a deal, but there's going to be

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no pressure, or do you say, how about eighty percent

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tariffs and then we'll talk about a deal.

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Speaker 1: How about this? Explain to me why the entire so

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you're saying that Donald Trump lied when he said we

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want to come to a mckinlearra again, or Peter Navarro lied,

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or even best Net lied, because they're still conflicting. So

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do we want more globalization because the people that you

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know and I know make arguments that we need to

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change we need social engineering to let factories bloom.

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Speaker 2: In the US always had social engineering. This is another

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thing that annoys me to no end.

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Speaker 1: People say, are you against social engineering?

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Speaker 2: Or outsource everything and incentivize the outsourcing of everything that's

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not free trade? Everything was done because of government action,

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subsidizing this domestic thing, outsourcing this other thing. Internationally, there

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is there has never been.

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Speaker 1: A government policy outsourced a job that we no longer

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can do at the prices that we did. So what

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give me the industry where the government outsourced the jobs

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by allowing free trade.

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Speaker 2: To happen, showing beneficial trade arrangements for other countries to happen,

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and penalizing our own. So take take for example. Actually,

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I just want to I want to say this because

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you were you were saying, like Trump is saying that

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it's like for all these other reasons that he wants

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to do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't say it in that voice, but that's

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definitely what he said, I show it to you.

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Speaker 2: So did you see the story about the doctor who

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was hospitalized for something minor and then almost died because

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and then it turned out all these other people in

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the hospital were dying or almost died, and it was

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like a medical mystery. And then it turned out that

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there was a drug for anesthesia related reasons that was

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being administered to all these people and causing their death

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or near death. And you know, you go down the

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road a little bit more and it turns out that

483
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this drug was imported from China because we no longer

484
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make the drug in the United States, and they ran

485
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out of a certain component for the drug and they

486
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replaced it with something that they you know, that was

487
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able to be masked as having the same component. But

488
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didn't you remember back when I were we talking about

489
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this where it was like Clinton or Bush was trying

490
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to import drugs from Canada because we would enable other

491
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countries to make drugs generic that we had to pay

492
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like brand name prices for and it would have been

493
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cheaper to just buy it off the market in Canada

494
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generic and reimport it back to the US. But they

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said that that would be a security risk to have

496
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our drugs coming from other countries, so we couldn't do it.

497
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And now we have every drug made in China and

498
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nobody really cares, even when it's like killing swaths of

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people because of poor quality and stuff like that. So, yes,

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the economy is complicated. Yes, there are different reasons why

501
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you might be interested in tariffs. One of them might

502
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be to get other countries to stop their obscene and

503
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horrific tariffs that hurt our businesses. You cannot defend David

504
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Germany saying that like you can't sell that an American

505
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can't sell his products there and doing nothing about it.

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Speaker 1: It's not true that Americans can sell their products there.

507
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But I will say, of course I don't like a

508
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lot of the tariffs that are elsewhere in the world.

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Speaker 2: What am I supposed to do do anything about it?

510
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Speaker 1: What am I supposed to do fly to China and

511
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say you terroriffist.

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Speaker 2: It's very emotional about tariffs in our country, which is fine,

513
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But why did you not get emotional when they were

514
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placed against American manufacturers?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean? How am I supposed to get

516
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passionate about what they do in Denmark, which has very

517
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low tariffs against us by the way, but I will.

518
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I don't know.

519
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Speaker 2: Why don't you can write and condemn what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: I will now condemn all countries and all tariffs. They

521
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should all be gone. So I just want you to

522
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answer now. So you're saying you want more globalization, you

523
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,079
want trade barriers gone. So people who write that that's

524
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bad for us, like for a JD. Vance type or whatever.

525
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Who wants to reinvigorate factories where people can put together

526
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trinkets in the Midwest making very low salaries, that's a

527
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good thing. We're a bad thing. I mean, you have

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to you.

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Speaker 2: Have You're wrong, You're wrong. First off, I just want

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to point out so manufacturing jobs are not bad jobs.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't say they were. I'm saying certain manufacturers

532
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so they were low paying. Yes, some jobs are low paying.

533
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In fact, they will be automated. Many manufacturing jobs, the

534
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kind we have here are excellent jobs. We shouldn't want

535
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to bring back the bad jobs. We should want the

536
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good jobs here. That's what I'm saying. Manufacturing is much

537
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more uh sophisticated, and and and and more, you know

538
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than putting together a sneaker in America. That we have

539
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,319
good jobs there for sure, and fewer and fewer people

540
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work them because they're more efficient, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, not necessarily. Sometimes people have manufacturing companies, like a

542
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member of my husband's family who had a manufacturing company

543
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that employed quite a few people in good jobs, by

544
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the way, and they got undercut by China, and so

545
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all those jobs were lost to those people. And I

546
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don't know what they're all doing, but we know enough

547
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from national data to know that a lot of people

548
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are subsidized by you and me on welfare and disability

549
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payments rather than working, which then hurts their ability to

550
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form families. And I do think that it's important that

551
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people be able to work and form families across a

552
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wide variety of economic like the whole economic landscape. And

553
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because some of this was enabled by just turning a

554
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blind eye, like when China started stealing all of our

555
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intellectual property and we responded by doing nothing, that's not

556
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the free market. And you can't say that's the free market.

557
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And when China uses slave labor to keep labor costs

558
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extremely low, you can't say that's the free market. You

559
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can't include slave labor in free in the market because

560
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it's not in the free market, because it's just not true.

561
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Speaker 1: There will never be a free market then, and this

562
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is of course with the populist right always kind of

563
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puts free market in the little quotation market.

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Speaker 2: You can move toward a free market.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to just say something, there will never

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be one because they will labor. There will never be

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perfection in the world. There's less slave labor because of

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capitalism than ever before because of this. And listen, yes

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China does bad things. You know, my feeling's on China.

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But you know, so now we have to put tariffs

571
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on everyone because there's pass throughs. Well that's very convenient.

572
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So now, well that's free market.

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Speaker 2: Dig with the free market thing, David. Like China does

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not let its people and companies steal the intellectual property

575
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of other Chinese companies, but they encourage the theft of

576
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American intellectual property. What should be done about that?

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Speaker 1: Not putting a thirty percent tariff on Switzerland. Deal with China.

578
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Just tell me what I know, as you do what

579
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you can. If you want to put high tariffs on China,

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I think it's a bad idea, but you can do

581
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it and make a good case for why you're trying

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to do that. When you put tariffs one hundred and

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sixty two countries or whatever, it was higher than they.

584
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Israel had zero tariffs on our goods. We still slapped

585
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them with a twenty percent tariff.

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Speaker 2: That's true. That's not true, it is that's true. I

587
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talked with the big guy himself on that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, because he's rolling back all the dum tariffs

589
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in fact, on auto parts for instance, I saw the

590
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other day because he knew it backfired. The markets crashed.

591
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All the underlying economic data is bad. I hope that

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he makes deals with everyone. I'm for free trade. I

593
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wish that these countries had no tariffs. I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: You just said Israel had true trade barriers with the US,

595
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and that's just not true. That's not something Israel claims.

596
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Speaker 1: What they after he did this. They were right before

597
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he did this. They did that. Yeah, they had tariffs. Listen,

598
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we shouldn't be following the bad policies of Israel. Israel

599
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is not. Israel for many years was a socialistic country

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and has terrible policy still embedded in their economy. I

601
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don't want to be like them. I want to be

602
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like us. Now, let me ask you this. If all

603
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these things happen and it's all terrible, then why do

604
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we have the strongest, biggest, best per capita GDP of

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any real country in the world because we're following what

606
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China does or because we have a free market.

607
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Speaker 2: Honestly, how do you know what it would be if

608
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we weren't subjected to all of these trade better?

609
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Speaker 1: What? That doesn't mean I should follow them to be worse.

610
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That doesn't make any sense, do you know what I'm saying? Anyway,

611
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we have this argument all the time. It's a very

612
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complicated one. We can I want to get back.

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Speaker 2: So you said, if China is stealing our intellectual property,

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that you shouldn't put a tariff on Switzerland.

615
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Speaker 1: Any Canada, I mean he.

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Speaker 2: Was, and you said what they should do? You said

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that they would be allowed to put a tariff on China.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that you have a better case to make

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if you are targeting China, not the world.

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Speaker 2: And do you think that in a global economy where

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China works through all these different countries, it makes like

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a conceivable sense that you might get other countries involved,

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and you might even say you're getting a tariff so

624
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that when they renegotiate. You can make sure that China

625
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is not part of that.

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Speaker 1: That's a good theoretical. I don't know, but that's not

627
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what happened. But more than that, I agree, even with

628
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pass throughs, China would suffer greatly. We are going to

629
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destroy their economy, by the way. That's for sure that

630
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everyone thinks that, oh, we destroy China's economy, They're going

631
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to be what what's going to happen? You think they're

632
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going to be friendlier to us? You think that they're

633
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going to be less warlike? Do you think they're going

634
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to be less inclined to undermine us? No, they're not.

635
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I don't know how to deal with China exactly. I

636
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don't have some big idea on that, but the idea

637
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that making our economy sinc Did.

638
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Speaker 2: You oppose all of the trade barriers we had on

639
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the Soviet Union?

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Speaker 1: I was in elementary school. I don't know that. I

641
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,360
have to go look, but I bet you are trade

642
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barriers with the Soviet Union, except for individual cases, was less.

643
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I know we were a huge seller of wheat to them,

644
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for instance.

645
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Speaker 2: No, there was some, but there was.

646
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Speaker 1: It was because of the Soviet limited Soviets didn't one trade,

647
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not US. I am for economic sanctions on like Iran,

648
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for instance. If we want to sanction China when they

649
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misdo something wrong with stealing our intellectual property, I can

650
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understand that. But that's not what happens. You're making me

651
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have a debate about something that is not.

652
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Speaker 2: That's what this is.

653
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Speaker 1: It's a that is. Is that why Donald Trump said

654
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that tariffs are more beautiful the word tari's more beautiful

655
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than love, and that we're going to go back to

656
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the McKinley era. He's been saying this about your pan

657
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He said this about Japan thirty years ago. He was

658
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wrong about it.

659
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like all presidents do tariffs, but they

660
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usually say, oh, it's just horrible that we have to

661
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do this. I regret so much because tariffs are so so,

662
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so badfs are the most beautiful thing in the world. Like,

663
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they all do it, but he has this.

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Speaker 1: They all do it for politically expedient reasons on a

665
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certain industry for a short time, but it's wrong. But

666
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Donald Trump, I believe, I believe he actually is a

667
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protectionist in his heart. I think he's believed this for

668
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his whole career. And this is what he wants but

669
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didn't work out for him.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember at the G seven in the first

671
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Trump administration when everyone was freaking out because he was

672
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proposing large tariffs on Canada and Mexico and stuff. And

673
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they were up in Canada having a meeting and they

674
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were freaking out, and He's like, we could all go

675
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to zero, and they were like no, no, no, no no,

676
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which is literally what you just said, like three minutes ago,

677
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we should all go to zero, which is what Trump said.

678
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Speaker 1: So I would love to go to all to go

679
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to zero, But what if they don't. We have to

680
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match their bad policies. It makes no sense. And let

681
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me ask you this, This is not the argument they're making.

682
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You keep are you saying you want more globalism? Globalism

683
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is good? Is that what you're saying?

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Speaker 2: You were so hyper autistic on this, Like, that's not

685
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the argument they're saying. Oh, politicians are giving like twenty

686
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eight different somewhat contradictory they're doing. I'm shocked.

687
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Speaker 1: Set that aside. Will you say the globalism is good?

688
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You want zero tariffs across all the all the arguments

689
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of the of the socially conservative populis wing of the

690
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Republican Party right now who say that we can. Basically

691
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they want a socially engineer to reinvigorate, you know, russ

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Bell towns and to make families come back together and

693
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to get people in sitting in church. You're saying that

694
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you don't agree with them, that you think we should

695
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have more globalism.

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Speaker 2: So yes, and no. First off, I actually am a

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huge fan of a legitimate free market. I love the

698
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idea of a free market, and I wish people who

699
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claimed to love the free market were actually fighting for

700
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a free market. It seems frequently they're fighting for these

701
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like really complicated, lobbyist written trade agreements that there's nothing

702
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free about. So yes, I actually firmly believe that not

703
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just the free market. But you know, like you said,

704
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you can never get a fully free market, but moving

705
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in that direction is great and I fully support it.

706
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And so no, I don't really believe in all of

707
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the engineering of the what you know, I remember it

708
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,199
used to be what did ros stoutit and his buddies

709
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,599
used to call themselves.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, common good it.

711
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Speaker 2: Anyway, I don't. I just don't love government engineering of

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stuff like that. Now, I do think that when you

713
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have had massive government programs. Like I was thinking about

714
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this after our fight last week on food dies, how

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much the government was responsible for encouraging some of the

716
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bad dietary habits or bad food supply issues, Like it

717
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,840
did just happen that these things show up on the

718
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,559
shelves in a free market. Sometimes it was through strong encouragement,

719
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,960
you know, government programs for certain materials to be in

720
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,760
these things. But hold on it. I did have a

721
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,559
caveat to this, which is a nation needs to be

722
00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:58,199
able to defend against its enemies. And the COVID supply

723
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,679
chain breakdown did frightened me quite a bit in terms

724
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:07,320
of our inability to make certain things or we need

725
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,920
to be we need to really think about our own

726
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,760
national security. So I'm not like one of these libertarian

727
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,639
free marketers who's like, there doesn't need to be a

728
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:16,559
country or borders or governments or whatever. No, I'm not.

729
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,039
We are a country, and our first interest should be

730
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,280
the American people and their you know, security and safety

731
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:29,199
and flourishing, and so there are things like we need

732
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,519
to always be able to make and send our own weapons,

733
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,000
you know, have the ability to feed our people if

734
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:43,400
things got bad, and so you have to have some

735
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:47,719
balance there, or you know, you should. That's also an

736
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,760
issue that's very important to the American people, like we

737
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,039
can't outsource our weapon making to other countries or aspects

738
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:59,599
of our weapon weaponry. Does that make sense? It's like

739
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:00,519
a it's a caveat.

740
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,679
Speaker 1: But generally we are the number one weapon maker in

741
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,920
the world. We dominate that field.

742
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,199
Speaker 2: I'm saying every you know, there are so much made

743
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,440
in different countries that get put in these things, and

744
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,280
it can be okay, and it can totally be okay,

745
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,199
but it's just something we should be mindful of that

746
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,679
we have to be focused on our national security as well.

747
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

748
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: No, of course I believe in borders because I believe

749
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,320
within our borders we should have free markets, and other

750
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,280
people aren't doing it, you know what I mean, So

751
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,559
I believe in all that. I will say something you

752
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:34,039
mentioned the FDA food eyed debate we had. It just

753
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:36,400
reminded me of something kind quickly.

754
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:39,119
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to say something else, but I didn't.

755
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:40,559
Speaker 1: No, no, no, this is way off topic.

756
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 2: But back to the Oh, dang it, I forgot what

757
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,440
I was going to sort something free market related. Oh oh,

758
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:53,039
you had said like you thought the rollout on Liberation

759
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:55,400
Day was bad, and I usually hate it when people

760
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,880
talk about optics or communications, but I completely agree with that.

761
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,119
Like I am, as I said, I'm open minded. I am.

762
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,360
I have strong free market bias, so I'm and I'm

763
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,880
aware that tariffs are attacks, and so I'm nervous about

764
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,119
all of this, but I'm open minded, like I can

765
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:14,280
kind of see the theories behind what we're trying to

766
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,599
do or how it could how it could work redown

767
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:19,320
to our benefit and stuff. It has not been communicated well,

768
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,239
including like what's the timeframe of how long we're going

769
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,440
to suffer here? What is the like, what's the what's

770
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,599
the end results supposed to be? I just don't think

771
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:33,039
it's been communicated very well, and that's something that they

772
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:34,000
should really think about.

773
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:37,079
Speaker 1: Well, I should say this. I don't think. I'm not

774
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,960
I don't care about the optics that much, but I

775
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,159
do think that when you roll we run the world's economy.

776
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:46,880
When we do something it matters to all economies. You

777
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,880
could you know that there's there are going to be

778
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,119
repercussions here. And all I'm saying is, even if if

779
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,039
I saw today Trump said, what you know this is

780
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:55,599
Biden's economy and all that. Voters aren't going to buy that.

781
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:58,159
You know, in the end, you want voters behind you

782
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,639
to do all kinds of things, and rolling something out

783
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,599
this way and then backtracking and all the uncertainty could

784
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:06,920
have a big effect. Quickly, just wanted to say on

785
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,199
the food Ie not to relitigate that. But I saw

786
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,079
this week the FDA, this is way off topic. They

787
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:15,760
are going to do nothing on abortion pills. That's fine,

788
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:21,360
that kills women, but dies, these dies that there is

789
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,559
no evidence they hurt anyone are going to be banned.

790
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,079
But RFK Junior won't do anything on abortion pills because

791
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:28,039
he's pro abortion.

792
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,639
Speaker 2: Well done, I think you're wrong on that. Jordan Boyd

793
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:34,760
at The Federalist wrote a piece on this because the

794
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,199
claim that nothing would be done came out before this

795
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:44,360
week's explosive study showing that injuries to women who kill

796
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,039
their children with an abortion pill are like twenty times

797
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,599
higher than they were first reported, and so she reached

798
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:53,960
out to the FDA to see if this new study.

799
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:57,079
They'd said, barring any new studies, we're not going to

800
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,000
do anything. Well, then this new study comes out like

801
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:04,239
five days later saying that the injuries, which is not surprising.

802
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,079
People have been reporting horrible hemorrhaging and death related to

803
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,559
the abortion pill for years now and it was not

804
00:43:10,679 --> 00:43:13,599
tested properly. So new studies are coming out, and so

805
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,800
I think it is a Maha type thing and they

806
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,800
might take action on it. They certainly should if what

807
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,079
they claimed was you know is Barney Mackrie who said

808
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:26,679
barring new studies, we won't take action. Well, new study

809
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:32,079
comes out very quickly. I don't know. I'm not optimistic

810
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:33,679
that things will be done, but I don't think we

811
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:35,679
can say yet that they're not going to do anything.

812
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:37,639
And the other thing I want to point out is

813
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:40,519
that pro abortion radicals in the media and the Democrat

814
00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:44,119
Party and otherwise they keep blaming pro lifers for this

815
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:47,880
abortion drug. So like they were like, oh, the Dobbs

816
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,760
decision is killing people, and then you look into it,

817
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,119
it's like, literally the abortion drug has killed someone.

818
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a story I don't know if we

819
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:57,079
spoke about this last week right before the election. It's

820
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:59,840
propaganda piece by Pro Publico which blame the death of

821
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,599
the woman on and I believe Georgia's abortion laws, which

822
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:06,840
turned out that it was the abortion pill that had

823
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,480
caused problems and unfortunately killed this poor woman and her children.

824
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:19,000
But for sure, so one hundred days, I guess we

825
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,000
slightly disagree and we'll see how it goes from here.

826
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:26,440
I mean, I understand why there. You know, Donald Trump

827
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,719
wants to do a lot of things very soon because

828
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,239
you know, midterms come and it's probably not going to

829
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,480
go well for Republicans. Historically doesn't go well for the

830
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:37,119
party in power. If there's any saving grace right now,

831
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,639
where there's you know, for Donald Trump, is that there's

832
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:43,960
no opposition party really. I mean, the Democrats are so effeckless,

833
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:51,280
aimless ridiculous that even if Donald Trump is unpopular now,

834
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,719
which seems like his numbers are going down, the Democrats

835
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,840
are far below him. I believe they that Democratic leaders

836
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:04,360
now the lowest ever measured trust factor, the gap you know,

837
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,800
through gallops. So let's yell at them.

838
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to say on the kind of

839
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,199
both parties are pretty bad. So Democrats just got had

840
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:16,679
a shlacking. And it's a shlacking because they should have

841
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,159
won by such a big margin and instead they lost

842
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:22,599
by a fairly noticeable margin. They have everything in there,

843
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,559
you know, they've got the complete media environment backing them up,

844
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:29,400
and that's that should be worth quite a bit. They

845
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,159
have all these like systemic issues that have balanced in

846
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:34,760
their favor, Like they import all these illegal immigrants, which

847
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,519
gives them congressional districts that they control, because we count

848
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:44,519
congressional districts not by citizens or legal legal residents, but

849
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,000
by just people who are there. And so you bring

850
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:51,079
in tens of millions of illegal aliens and you use

851
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:54,000
them to create congressional districts that give you like a

852
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:57,519
twenty seat advantage in the House. But they still lost,

853
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:59,960
and they're not really doing a good job of assessing

854
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,880
why they lost. The only movement you see is the

855
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,159
AOC Bernie Sanders one where they're like, what if we

856
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,199
became more progressive, But they don't really articulate what that

857
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,239
progressive thing is. And it's like the progressive wing has

858
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,480
been a big part of their problem anyway. It seems

859
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:19,039
too radical, the identity politics, the radical trans insanity, the

860
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:21,920
economic position that you and I just you know, kind

861
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,159
of talked about is making it hard for Democrats to

862
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,320
move in a more populist direction. Democrats kind of leaned

863
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,760
into the Liz Cheney wing of the foreign policy establishment,

864
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,960
and that's not very popular. Like they're just reeling. They

865
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,280
had Corey Booker and Hikeem Jeffries do a sit in

866
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,639
stand up at the Capital. I don't even know what

867
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:44,400
I literally do not understand what it was for on

868
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,400
the capital steps. Do you know what it was for?

869
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: They don't like Trump is what it was for. It's

870
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,280
only these things are always for.

871
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so like they're big. Their big reason to

872
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,159
vote for them is to impeach Trump. But Trump, you know,

873
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,280
people kind of don't don't want to impeach Trump.

874
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: Well, can we talk about this for a bit. So

875
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:07,280
the problem with the economic policy and the tariffs in

876
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,280
the left is that they are economic status. They don't

877
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,599
have any good arguments to make against Donald Trump. Donald

878
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:15,559
Trump essentially stole an issue from them, in my opinion.

879
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:18,320
I mean, Bernie Sanders is pro tariff all. Their whole

880
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,719
argument is always you know he's on it's too chaotic

881
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,920
or whatever. That's not a good argument, I mean. But

882
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,280
more than that, I don't understand what they're doing. Like

883
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,559
they've championed this kilmar Garcia. Dude, this is a person

884
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:35,440
they champion. Now, if you want to make an argument

885
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:38,239
that due process. I get it. I'm with you, right maybe,

886
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,360
but that's not what you know. They're making a hero

887
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,480
out of this guy. They're making a hero out of

888
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:47,599
what was that guy's name, Mahmud Khalil. You know that

889
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:51,079
they're championing people who will turn off most Americans. An

890
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:54,480
illegal immigrant is probably a gang member and a guy

891
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:58,800
who hates America and is a bigot. So I don't

892
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,599
know what they're doing, Like even what did they go

893
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:06,039
out of march for? They marched for USAID, which most

894
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:08,039
Americans will read in the story of where the money

895
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:09,960
is going and be like, this is ridiculous, But this

896
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:12,280
is what they're championing. I did want to mention one

897
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,840
thing quickly. On we were talking about all the good

898
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,519
things doged in and the good things Donald Trump did

899
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:22,519
about deregulation and Department of Education, for instance. Congress does nothing.

900
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:27,519
If they don't codify all these changes, it's going to

901
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,280
not really matter in the long run. And I just

902
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,880
it boggles my mind they're having I saw Ron Johnson

903
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:42,719
is going to have a congressional hearing on some nine

904
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,760
to eleven conspiracy theory about how Building seven burned down

905
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:53,119
they're jfk Epstein, like, no one cares about these things

906
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:56,920
in the real world. They care about you doing something

907
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,280
and that helps them, and Congress does nothing. I don't know.

908
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,199
I'm just ranting today. You got me all worked up

909
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:07,519
on the Tierff thing, and I'm just like reeling. Do

910
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:09,119
you want to move on to the media, which will

911
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,039
really get us going even more?

912
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: Sure?

913
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 4: Oh?

914
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 2: No, wait? Sorry, yeah, I want to say that the

915
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,039
Republican Yeah, that the Democrats don't really have a plan,

916
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,960
which might mean that they maybe they'll come up with

917
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,480
something before the midterms. It probably will, and as you noted, historically,

918
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,719
you should see big gains for the out party and

919
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,920
maybe they're just counting on that and they don't really

920
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,079
have to do anything since the margin that they need

921
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:35,000
to make up in the House is so infinitisimally small.

922
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,559
But also the Republicans aren't doing thing. They have an

923
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:42,039
opportunity to have one of those weird mid term election

924
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:45,360
years where you gain seats as opposed to lose seats.

925
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,719
Which when did I mean, I know that happened after

926
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,320
the nine to eleven.

927
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: Attack, and it's rare.

928
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,119
Speaker 2: Oh w when it happened, didn't didn't New Gingrich do

929
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:57,760
it in the Contract for America.

930
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: Maybe the second one. I forget one of the four. Anyway,

931
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,480
it was another big wave I think a few years later.

932
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:06,719
But anyway, Yeah, but you kind.

933
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: Of have to give people a reason or you know,

934
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,119
they're they're looking and comparing. And I don't see much

935
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:15,320
happening from the Republicans either. They the Congress in general,

936
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,440
both parties have done such a horrible job over so

937
00:50:18,519 --> 00:50:23,639
many decades of destroying their constitutional governance by handing everything

938
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:27,599
over to the executive branch's permanent bureaucracy, and they need

939
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:29,800
to do a lot to fix things, and they just

940
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,960
don't seem to have any sense of urgency. And again,

941
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:37,360
I understand small margins, but big ideas win elections too.

942
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, at least get I mean, at least

943
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,039
focus on things people care about. No one cares about

944
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:47,639
nine to eleven conspiracy theories, No one cares about the

945
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,960
JFK files. There's nothing in there. You can let let

946
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,880
these things dominate the news. And the media is not

947
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,840
going to help you, though, as you mentioned, they do

948
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,480
have the media on their side, but I think they

949
00:50:56,519 --> 00:51:00,760
have less and less power to really affect an elect

950
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:07,559
picking up perfect sadly, Yeah, did you watch or not watch?

951
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,320
But did you see what happened at the White House

952
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,920
Correspondence dinner last weekend?

953
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: Vaguely? I was out of town. I would never, ever,

954
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,840
ever go to a White House Correspondence Association dinner, and

955
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,119
I hate the dinner and the people who go. By

956
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:25,199
the way, I frequently tell people who tell me they

957
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,039
just went, I say, oh, I hate that dinner and

958
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:30,960
I hate people who go, which is like the meanest

959
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,880
I ever get. I think it's embarrassing to attend that dinner.

960
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,119
I think you're a loser if you do it. And

961
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:38,599
I'm so glad that it bombed this year and that

962
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:40,840
nobody of any import went.

963
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,039
Speaker 1: So I wrote a piece on it, but I just

964
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:46,559
want to read the lead, which I railed you. But

965
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,199
this is how I view it. Imagine getting an award

966
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,800
for doing the bare minimum at your job, doing it poorly,

967
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,599
and then handing it in your work so late that

968
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:58,400
it becomes irrelevant. That's exactly what they celebrated at this one,

969
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,719
so Axio says. Alex Thompson, who I actually think is

970
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,400
better than most, which doesn't mean that he's doing a

971
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,480
great job, said this President Biden's decline and its cover

972
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:13,920
up by the people around him is a reminder that

973
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,760
every White House, regardless of party, is capable of deception.

974
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,960
But being truth tellers also means telling the truth about ourselves. We,

975
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:26,760
myself included, missed a lot of this story. Now, this

976
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,679
was kind of framed by most media as an I'll

977
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:34,719
give you like a headline would be reporter slams media

978
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,199
for missing Biden's story. But I didn't read it like

979
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,559
that at all. I think this is gaslighting. This is

980
00:52:39,679 --> 00:52:44,239
like copying to a lesser charge. You know what I mean,

981
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:48,199
Because first of all, let's read this regardless of party.

982
00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:52,280
Every White House lies, regardless of party. That means that line,

983
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,000
regardless of party, means that he's speaking to Democrats. The

984
00:52:56,079 --> 00:53:01,679
idea that democrats lie less than publicans is nonsense. And

985
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,480
any reporter who believes that is not a good reporter,

986
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:07,719
and I think most reporters probably do. But more than that,

987
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,519
you didn't miss the story. You covered up the story.

988
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:15,559
You aggressively. I'm not even at Thompson like he Yes,

989
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:18,280
he was an early adopter, i'd say, but even in

990
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,599
twenty twenty three he was calling it a weaponization, and

991
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,039
that Republicans were insinuating that Joe Biden wasn't okay. Now,

992
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:29,480
I was at the Federalist at the time. I wrote

993
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:32,639
about five or six columns saying, Joe Biden is not okay.

994
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:35,960
It's obvious anyone with eyes can see this. And if

995
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,800
you're actually in the White House and you have a

996
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,920
journalism degree and you don't see it, then you shouldn't.

997
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:44,079
You don't have the skills to be a journalist, or

998
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:48,199
you're lying. I think mostly they were lying, and you know,

999
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,559
I'm not going to go through it. I have a

1000
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:56,639
list of every major establishment media outlet calling those who

1001
00:53:56,679 --> 00:53:59,320
made the claim that he wasn't okay, conspiracy theorist saying

1002
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:04,480
there you were you cheap fake videos, saying that voters

1003
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,280
were being misled about him. And then here's my last

1004
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,679
point on this. They flipped on him. Then they went

1005
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,880
after him like, oh my god, look, Joe Biden's not okay.

1006
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:17,079
They didn't do that because they cared about the journalistic

1007
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,719
any kind of journal or they had any kind of

1008
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,280
journalistic integrity. They did that because it was obvious Joe

1009
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,239
Biden couldn't win. And then they decided, let's push Joe

1010
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,519
Biden out, you know what I'm saying. It wasn't like

1011
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:31,360
they you know, a switch flip that oh my god,

1012
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,239
he's not okay and we didn't notice and this is

1013
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,639
not okay. No, they pushed him out because that's what

1014
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,840
Barack Obama and other you know, big wigs wanted, and

1015
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,559
then they brought in whoever they thought might be able

1016
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:43,199
to win. In my view, and I wrote this at

1017
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,280
the time, I thought that Biden would have done just

1018
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,880
as well as Kamala Harris even in the way he was,

1019
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,000
because she was one of the worst candidates who's ever

1020
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:53,079
run for president. So anyway, I don't know that's my

1021
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:54,239
spiel on this.

1022
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 2: I completely agree with you on all of it. So

1023
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:02,880
I including it is true that Alex Thompson of Axios

1024
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:08,440
was slightly better than everybody else. And what I mean

1025
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,960
by that is that he wrote like three stories in

1026
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:14,360
twenty twenty four that were so nice, but that they

1027
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:20,519
did kind of sort of raise the issue of Biden's decline.

1028
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,639
He would write something with like a really anodyne headline

1029
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:30,760
like Biden's walking path has changed. Would you click on

1030
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,000
a piece with the headline like Biden's walking path has changed?

1031
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:37,280
Or would you skip over it for real news, and

1032
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,880
then in there it would say he's you know, he's

1033
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,079
changed his route and now he walks with some people.

1034
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:46,800
And some people say this could be that he's aging

1035
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,800
and they're trying to obscure, but other people say that

1036
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,639
he's fresh and focused and whatever, and that's who we're

1037
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:56,880
supposed to praise Alex Thompson for saying the most gentle

1038
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:02,559
things that normal Americans had noticed literally eight years prior.

1039
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:07,039
That's not worthy of anything. And I do agree he

1040
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:09,239
was less bad because everybody else was saying it's a

1041
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,280
conspiracy theory, something he said too, but he stopped saying

1042
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,679
it around twenty twenty four. That was last year during

1043
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:17,800
the presidential election.

1044
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,559
Speaker 1: My theory on this is that he realized, like he

1045
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:23,840
came to the realization that we have to stop doing

1046
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,079
this basically earlier than other people, and that he wants

1047
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,559
to be a better journalist. That's my charitable take on him.

1048
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,920
I've been reading him since then, and I think he's

1049
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,800
a lot better than most from that point on, but

1050
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:37,119
that I.

1051
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:42,079
Speaker 2: Actually used to kind of think that Alex Thompson was

1052
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,360
I used to actually think much more highly of him

1053
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,400
until that final rally at Madison Square Garden where he

1054
00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:53,599
was like leading the charge that this was like a

1055
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,639
dark and dystopic Trump rally that was going to cost

1056
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:59,679
him the election, and I was like, he's just a

1057
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:05,159
hack like everybody else. People are upset even by Alex

1058
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:08,639
Thompson's admission. You know, it's a false admission. Like you said,

1059
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,559
the allegation is not that they're so bad at life

1060
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,599
that they shouldn't be employees anywhere, much less in journalism

1061
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,960
that they missed the story that everyone with two eyes

1062
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,599
and a brain could see. The allegation is that they

1063
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:25,960
covered it up. And so until you acknowledge, like, we're

1064
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,800
so far beyond, oh, you're really bad at your job,

1065
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,440
you can't be trusted to notice the most obvious things.

1066
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:33,880
We're so far beyond that, we're like, no, you're corrupt,

1067
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,639
mendacious liars who do nothing but propaganda all the time.

1068
00:57:37,679 --> 00:57:40,599
And until they address that, I don't really care what

1069
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:41,239
they have to say.

1070
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,599
Speaker 1: And until they do fix things, there's not going to

1071
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:47,360
there's a vacuum of trust, and a lot of you know,

1072
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,159
disreputable people and liars have filled that vacuum. I'm not

1073
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:53,440
saying all, but many have and that's a problem. We

1074
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:56,679
need a functioning media. We don't have one, and I

1075
00:57:56,679 --> 00:57:58,679
think it needs to be kind of like burned down

1076
00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:00,719
to the ground.

1077
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:03,039
Speaker 2: One thing that makes it more difficult to hold the

1078
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:09,239
corrupt media accountabile is Donald Trump, who decides to reward

1079
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:13,000
some of the worst liars in a sea of liars.

1080
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,519
Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic, who's who did the Weapons

1081
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:18,960
of mass destruction hoax, He did the ein marn hoax,

1082
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,119
he published all the Russia collusion hoax stuff. And Donald

1083
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:25,679
Trump said, I'm going to give him an interview as

1084
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:29,320
a reward for his lies. And it's really hard to

1085
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,360
fight and marginalize the corupt media when Donald Trump is

1086
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:35,960
giving them fun time.

1087
00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:40,679
Speaker 1: Well can I read you something? So one of someone

1088
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:43,239
at The Atlantic says, here's this is like the announcement.

1089
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,239
Here's Jeffrey Goldberg's editor's note from our next issue on

1090
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,800
Signal Gate, his big Trump interview and what it means

1091
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,920
to choose steadfastness over cowardice in the age of autocracy.

1092
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:56,960
How about one? Do you know? Well, someone said that

1093
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,360
maybe he can get Kevin Williamson to write something about

1094
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,920
steadfastness over cowardice, even though it would be fine, but

1095
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,000
the age of autocracy. So this hit hit me. The

1096
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:10,719
guy is literally interviewing the president of the United States.

1097
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,920
He gets to challenge him on anything he wants. There

1098
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,400
are no limitations to what he can say. This guy's

1099
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,840
made up stuff about Donald Trump. He has he maybe

1100
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,559
helped Donald Trump, you know, maybe help Joe Biden win

1101
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:24,440
the election. I mean with his story about the cemetery

1102
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,679
and everything. He never has to worry a second of

1103
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:30,159
it of the day about his livelihood or his life,

1104
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:33,559
or his freedom or anything. This is the this is

1105
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:35,599
supposed to be the age of autocracy. I mean, these

1106
00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:38,159
people are hysterical. This is a reason that they can

1107
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:41,559
never really challenge Trump. And you know, it's all on Trump.

1108
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:43,760
Trump does poorly, people aren't going to vote for him.

1109
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,599
If he does well, they will. It has nothing to

1110
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:48,719
do with the left because the left is off their rocker,

1111
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:52,039
That's what I think. They're just hysterical. They've done this

1112
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:56,039
from Russia Gate on and it's even losing more and

1113
00:59:56,119 --> 01:00:00,039
more of its effectiveness. Why does he do it. I

1114
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,079
think he does it because he actually wants the He

1115
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:04,840
wants media to like him. He wants the New York Times.

1116
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,079
I mean, he talks to people at the New York

1117
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:09,159
Times all the time. It seems where you used to it.

1118
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,239
Speaker 2: I think they always like claim that they talk to

1119
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,400
him more than they do. But and it doesn't seem

1120
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,639
that he's been talking to them much at all. Like

1121
01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:19,639
there's not even a basis for saying he's talking to

1122
01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:22,880
them much this time around. But I didn't mind, Like

1123
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,000
he did this interview with a kind of dummy, dumb,

1124
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:29,559
dumb media guy Terry Moran.

1125
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Terry Moran.

1126
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:33,519
Speaker 2: Did you see this?

1127
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:36,039
Speaker 1: It was I saw the highlights or low lights.

1128
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, going well. And I mean, when you

1129
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:40,920
can have someone as stupid as him, definitely take that

1130
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:43,000
take advantage of that, Like you can just bat him

1131
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:47,400
around and it's pretty funny. But like a Jeffrey Goldberg

1132
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,440
who's an agent of the deep State and pushes known

1133
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:53,800
hoaxes like WMD and other things like that, I just

1134
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,280
don't think you need to, Like that's just stupid to

1135
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,239
give him that time.

1136
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: Okay, I won't be as worked up for culture Molly.

1137
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,000
I'm going to be rational on this. Have you done

1138
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:10,039
anything culturally this week? Watched anything? I know you've been busy.

1139
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,199
Speaker 2: I was traveling a lot. I have been watching The

1140
01:01:15,239 --> 01:01:19,559
Apprentice Season one with my kids, and Mark makes so

1141
01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:21,280
much fun of me, because I'm like, Mark, this show

1142
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,360
is so great, and he just keeps making fun of me.

1143
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:28,159
And I traveled to Boise, Idaho. I gave a speech

1144
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:31,119
there on Saturday, which was super fun. And I love

1145
01:01:31,159 --> 01:01:34,519
the people in Boise and I got to visit with

1146
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:37,719
my aunt and uncle and my cousins and my cousin

1147
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:41,000
My cousins are awesome and it just was really great

1148
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:44,280
to be able to spend time with them. I like

1149
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,400
Boise a lot, me too.

1150
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,679
Speaker 1: In there, Yeah, I love it, It's really nice. I

1151
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:52,280
was in my head, I'm like, maybe I should move here.

1152
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,280
It's kind of like a quieter Denver.

1153
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, it's like Denver from decades ago. Yeah,

1154
01:01:58,039 --> 01:02:01,719
And I like that, and I like that family's there.

1155
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,239
Speaker 1: So every time I said boiz, though they corrected me,

1156
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,519
it's boy c with an s, right.

1157
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:13,599
Speaker 2: Boys, Yeah? And what else. I also drove out to

1158
01:02:13,639 --> 01:02:16,199
the eastern Shore of Maryland for a work thing, so

1159
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,800
I justly, oh, this is so stupid. But my husband

1160
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:25,440
got me really nice headphones for Christmas, and I usually

1161
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,360
don't use them because it's like weird to me when

1162
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,840
noise blocks out everything else. But I got them set

1163
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,800
up and I used them on my flight to and

1164
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,960
from Boise, and it was just an utter revelation. And

1165
01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:39,079
I'm one of those people who's like dancing in public

1166
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:41,920
because I've got great music going in my earphones.

1167
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:47,719
Speaker 1: I love, love my noise canceling your phones. I'm wearing

1168
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:54,000
them right now. So that's it. Oh yeah, Apprentice, Okay, just.

1169
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 2: It's not very exciting.

1170
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,599
Speaker 1: No, I just I don't know that I can get

1171
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:58,079
myself to watch that. We'll see.

1172
01:02:58,239 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: Actually, I just want to also say I have to

1173
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:02,880
check for movies constantly to see if their kid appropriate

1174
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,880
because my memory of what's appropriate or not is the

1175
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,119
worst memory in the world. And with my oldest child,

1176
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:10,679
I was like, oh, I think four weddings and a

1177
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:12,679
funeral is okay. And we turned it on and had

1178
01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:16,599
to turn it off like almost immediately, And what is

1179
01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:18,039
wrong with me that I can't I mean, it's been

1180
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:19,760
a long time since I've seen it, but I just

1181
01:03:20,159 --> 01:03:22,840
I have to read the parent's guide on IMDb or

1182
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,000
the other things to know what I can show.

1183
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that happening with Ghostbusters.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that is so bad, like metuitously bad.

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Speaker 3: Me.

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Speaker 1: I watched a show called Tulsa King. Have you heard

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about this?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 1: With Sylvester Stallone, I kind of binge watched it a bit.

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I like the first season quite a bit. It's about

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a former mafioso who is out of jail and goes

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to Tulsa kind of new territory, and it's you know, anyway,

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I think Sylvester Soon's quite good in it, and the

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first season was good. The second season I started, I

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lost interest in left. I don't know if that's consensus

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on the show or not, but I didn't think it

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was very good. Then I did something very cultural. I

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went to a museum to see I think this is

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the debut, the American debut of A. Michaelangelo's sketches for

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the Sistine Chapel. It's cool. It's just cool to see them.

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It was, you know, they were sort of you know,

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a blown up picture of it, and then you know

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the sketches and they'll show you what part of the

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you know, the ceiling or whatever he catches relate to

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and so on, and there's some historical stuff and you

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know it. It's like a half an hour of your

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time and I enjoyed it. It was nice. Hey, I

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would recommend it when it comes to your town. I

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think it's going to be good traveling around the United

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States over the next few years. So that's it. Just

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a reminder. If you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. You

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look forward to talking to you next week. Until them

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be lovers of freedom and anxious for the Fray.