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<v Speaker 1>For Marcus, Wimbledon twenty twenty five is over, and we

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<v Speaker 1>said before and during the championships we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>speaking as much as we possibly can, hopefully bringing a

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<v Speaker 1>daily podcast. And Marcus, I'm kind of gutted for you, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like, how do you feel?

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<v Speaker 2>It's all right? Obviously I've had three matches and sixty

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<v Speaker 2>ours something like that from the first round. I've then

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<v Speaker 2>gone back to back and then it was first time

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<v Speaker 2>for Mixed yesterday, so I haven't really processed too much.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, obviously disappointed. You know, the second round doubles,

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<v Speaker 2>we were right in there and you know, had some chances,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly in the first set. But again, really happy with

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<v Speaker 2>my performance. Thought I played really really well. A couple

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<v Speaker 2>of points in the second may be a bit loose,

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<v Speaker 2>but these guys are good, they play together all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously the two slams out the last four. So yeah, positive,

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<v Speaker 2>but didn't really feel that after Obviously you replay the

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<v Speaker 2>points that you know you could have done better, I suppose.

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<v Speaker 2>And then and then Mixed yesterday, we're doing all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Rain Delay, rain Delay, tim Hemmon special against Goam. They

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<v Speaker 2>came out and played a lot better than we did basically,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was struggling a little bit within the legs

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<v Speaker 2>actually to get going. Yeah, but that wasn't the reason

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<v Speaker 2>we lost. Let's be honest here.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you had two really tough draws, didn't you.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's first look at that the men's match after a

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<v Speaker 1>great first round win. It's a bit it's a nightmare draw,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it? To play those two?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It's not not ideal. Yeah, of course. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>there's not any draw that's particularly lovely, but there are

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<v Speaker 2>better draws than others. And you know, so far when

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<v Speaker 2>in the main drawer, I've had some interesting second rounds,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, twenty sixteen hairbearer, who's twenty seventeen. We

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<v Speaker 2>managed to win that one. But last year we played

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the finalist first round. It's been difficult. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I can't. I can't complain too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you become a better player having played that match

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<v Speaker 1>and not got the result? Have you kind of learned

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<v Speaker 1>from that? Not?

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<v Speaker 2>Not yet. That's where that's where I'll look back at

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<v Speaker 2>some of the stats that I've been sent and then

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<v Speaker 2>work on with a coach some particular things maybe positioning,

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<v Speaker 2>footworking and how to get to certain places, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know what I've got to improve. I mean, myself's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good, but I cannot it can always be better.

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<v Speaker 2>I volleyed well this Championships, but returns I can do more,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure, and just just positioning stuff and sort of

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<v Speaker 2>the way I'm moving. So where where my balances were?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you look at Pat and Helievara there you

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<v Speaker 2>hit a ball an inch over the net, down the

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<v Speaker 2>middle and it's gone somehow, whereas I'm still you know,

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<v Speaker 2>playing singles volleys. I think a lot of the time

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<v Speaker 2>I've got better at it, but it's something I have

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<v Speaker 2>to work on with the coach. And without that, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stumped because I've I've I've known that for

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<v Speaker 2>a while. There's certain things I should be doing better.

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<v Speaker 2>There's balls going past me where I'm going. Actually I

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<v Speaker 2>should I should have that one, but not knowing why

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<v Speaker 2>that is the difficult reason. You know, you can overthink

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<v Speaker 2>it with you know, sometimes I'm thinking doing too big

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<v Speaker 2>of a split step, or you know I'm too low

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<v Speaker 2>or I'm too high. But you can't think about your

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<v Speaker 2>body position while you're playing a tennis match, because then

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<v Speaker 2>you forget it. At the shot. Well I do anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, And obviously you're doing all of these

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<v Speaker 1>these commands in under a second, aren't you. Then going

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<v Speaker 1>back to what you said there, the margin is so fine,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it like watching watching your second round? That the

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<v Speaker 1>pattern makes a volley and it's skimming the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the net, it's touching the edge of the lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's they do it well. Just just little things,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sometimes you need luck to go your way

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<v Speaker 2>with six or five, Love thirty up, I've hit a

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<v Speaker 2>return volley and but he's come in and the guys

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<v Speaker 2>hit the net tape over his racket. There's little things

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<v Speaker 2>like that, not huge chances, but things that if you

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<v Speaker 2>love forty up at six five, you're looking at getting

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<v Speaker 2>the first set and then cracking on with a second.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, it's difficult, but sometimes yeah, it's a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of inches, isn't it? And sometimes it's six inches with

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<v Speaker 2>these electronic line calling.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you brought it up. I was with Monday

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<v Speaker 1>and Tuesdawn Center Court, and several times we saw line

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<v Speaker 1>calls and I started talking to the blow next to me, saying,

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<v Speaker 1>that's out. I can't believe that and then when they

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<v Speaker 1>replay on the show, cause the big screen replaced the

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<v Speaker 1>close call, the ball they're replaying looks nothing like the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a totally different shape, bounced everything. Yeah, emmiroader Carnos

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<v Speaker 1>come out in a press conference after they lost to

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<v Speaker 1>sabal Anka and said that it's a real talk of

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<v Speaker 1>the locker room. So what's your view?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean before she played that match, after you

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<v Speaker 2>know we lost that doubles, Like I hit a second

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<v Speaker 2>serve at Love forty that he missed the return, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it said game to them, and I turned around,

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<v Speaker 2>it said fault and I thought I got foot faulted.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the serve was in the middle of the line.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, not even close. And people watching online said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>why why were they given that point at Love forty.

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<v Speaker 2>But it wasn't just that one, Like even in the

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<v Speaker 2>first round, there are five or six in a match

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<v Speaker 2>that are clear that just aren't picked up. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, before the tournament started, actually what sorry, watching

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<v Speaker 2>center court and court one, it looks sad without the

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<v Speaker 2>line judges down the middle. It just a little bit weird,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit empty. I personally, as a player liked

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<v Speaker 2>the line judges with the challenges, you know, because a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these calls wouldn't be challenged with the

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<v Speaker 2>players if the line judge called them. Yeah, I had

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<v Speaker 2>had the line judge called my servant, for instance, and

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<v Speaker 2>he missed the return. He's not challenging that, Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and you get the correct call. But I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's, yeah, I don't I don't think a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think any players are really happy with it,

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest. Listening around and speaking to people, everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a little bit confused about how big these

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<v Speaker 2>areas are and how many they are. But also they

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<v Speaker 2>paint the lines on each day. It's not like the

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<v Speaker 2>courts in the same place every day and you're talking inches,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean definitely. There was a shot you here

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<v Speaker 1>and you could see the chalk y it's called out.

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<v Speaker 1>You spoke to the umpire about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's what can you do? Though, It's just

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<v Speaker 2>a shame that you're playing, you know, the best tournament

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<v Speaker 2>in the world and they're the problems you're having. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Emma's not the only one to say. She just, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>very publicly said it after a match, but we're already

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<v Speaker 2>having these discussions before.

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<v Speaker 1>What I find strange around Wimbledon is that it is

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<v Speaker 1>so steeped in tradition, and there's so many things Wimbledon

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<v Speaker 1>do that where there's extra concern about not break in tradition. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this seems like a massive change in modernization, which one

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really need to happen, but two changes are very

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<v Speaker 1>fabric of these courts. Yeah, really strange thing that they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to change it.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking to one of the drivers the other day, she

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<v Speaker 2>just liked seeing them walk around as well. They're very

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<v Speaker 2>smartly dressed. It look good. Yeah, gives them a job

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Uh, you know, people are losing a job.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if if the winner needs more prize money,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly if that's the choice they're going to make, But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's it's difficult. It's difficult because in

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<v Speaker 2>some ways I'm really proud and happy that got to

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<v Speaker 2>play at Winbed and I played well, and then other ways,

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<v Speaker 2>once you're out there, you want to win, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do what's what's best to you want to get

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<v Speaker 2>the best tennis out there, and I think that's quite

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<v Speaker 2>an avoidable thing too to fix and I hope and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you know, if players review it, how

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<v Speaker 2>how they you know, honestly review it. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>should go back to the to the way it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. My close mate of mine, former doubles partner, Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Ellison is has been a line judge for years and

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<v Speaker 1>now he's there in a supervisor capacity. So yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>still gets stressed up and he just has to sit

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<v Speaker 1>in with like the camera guys in the trench or

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<v Speaker 1>center for I'm not sure sure what he's supervising and

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<v Speaker 1>what he's doing. I've asked for his view of these

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<v Speaker 1>electronic cause yeah, it's really it's a real shame, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Queens as well. We lost them at Queens

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<v Speaker 1>as well, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, it's tough. I'm sure. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure it would have been tested somewhat. I just think

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<v Speaker 2>there's obviously a problem with something, whether it's the lines

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<v Speaker 2>moving each day slightly, or or the camera's not being

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<v Speaker 2>calibrated quite right. I also thought this as well, like

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<v Speaker 2>the ball's coming from different directions. I'm a lefty, surely

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<v Speaker 2>that makes a difference on where the ball lands or

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<v Speaker 2>which direction the ball's moving. If it clips the line

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<v Speaker 2>on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought about conditions, So they closed the roof

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<v Speaker 1>on Djokovic ye Tuesday night and the light is completely different. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but we and we're trusting cameras to bring accuracy. The

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<v Speaker 1>changing of conditions must change how it records and reads.

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<v Speaker 2>Things I hadn't. I don't know that the science. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure it's very very well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm guessing, but like, yeah, more than more than it

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<v Speaker 1>would affect a human, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, but they don't make decisions lightly, and I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 2>they've probably worked out that I had the stats on,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe there would be more miss calls by humans and

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<v Speaker 2>they have been by you know, the computers. As a

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<v Speaker 2>fan watching tennis, I like the challenges, but I also

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<v Speaker 2>like the visual of the court with the line judges on.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's my opinion. I think quite a few

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<v Speaker 2>share that. I'm sure there'll hear a couple of people

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<v Speaker 2>that don't, and I'm sure they'll let us know, because yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's good. It's a healthy discussion, isn't it. Just As

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<v Speaker 2>a player, I like having a line judge and a challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bit more of a safety banket, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>There's there's there's two chances instead of just the computer

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<v Speaker 2>selling us out. And also you can't really snap at anyone,

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<v Speaker 2>which is annoy Yeah, because I said to the hellvar

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<v Speaker 2>hit a second serve? That was I can't remember, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a good few inches long. And I looked at Helievara

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<v Speaker 2>and he said to them that was a long way out.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, look, what do we do? And he goes,

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<v Speaker 2>what can we do? What do you want to do

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<v Speaker 2>about it? I was like, well, it's not ideal. We're

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<v Speaker 2>playing it. We're playing at Winwood and and all four

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<v Speaker 2>players are agreeing the balls out and it's called in.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we will get on with it. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>just not great, is it.

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not great. I can't believe I'm having these discussions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, probably right, but it was called in, so

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<v Speaker 1>I find the whole discussion of officiating in football, tennis

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, it's just bizarre that the officials are basically

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<v Speaker 1>just administrators, right. They're bureaucrats, are there to understand the

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<v Speaker 1>happened to those rules. And I can't understand why they're

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<v Speaker 1>even kind of a part of what's going on, like

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<v Speaker 1>they shouldn't really be part of the narrative of matches

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<v Speaker 1>or the drama or anything like that. You're right, people

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<v Speaker 1>watching the lines humans with a challenge system was fine,

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<v Speaker 1>So there we go. We've got it. You don't need

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, that's totally different. But that is

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<v Speaker 1>the sport and that's what we should be concentrating on,

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<v Speaker 1>so we can be thinking about it is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>But also if we don't need line judges, why do

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<v Speaker 2>we need umpass because you know they call the score

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<v Speaker 2>and someone could watch it electronically, right if I were

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<v Speaker 2>going down the AI route and the computer route.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I thought that. I said that on Tuesday, then

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<v Speaker 2>How par do we go with it? We get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of it everyone. I don't think it's a great look.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Yeah, it's difficult. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are your plans now? Mate?

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<v Speaker 2>I am taking a couple of days off and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm heading back to London to hit on the clay

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<v Speaker 2>because I've got an event a week after next. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know which event yet because we're two out of

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be going to San Marino. It will definitely be

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<v Speaker 2>on clay, so I need to I'll rest for two days.

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<v Speaker 2>My body is quite sore. Actually, there's been a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of tennis in a short space of time. But yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so that a guy from America, So I'm playing with

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<v Speaker 2>him for two and then I don't know after that,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to have to fish around and make some

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<v Speaker 1>Your life would be so much Would it be so

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<v Speaker 1>much better if you had a doubles partner?

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<v Speaker 2>It would, yeah, But I mean it's an awkward ranking

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<v Speaker 2>everyone around us, an awkward ranking where you know you're

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<v Speaker 2>on the verge of getting into a TPS and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>wants to play those. Obviously they're better tournaments. You get

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<v Speaker 2>more prize money, bigger points, and you just don't really

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<v Speaker 2>get commitment. There's there's I'm not the only one who's

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<v Speaker 2>switching partners a lot. I just i feel like I've

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<v Speaker 2>done it a little bit more this year than you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe other people. But it's a very fickle sport. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's out for themselves ironically in doubles, and until you

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<v Speaker 2>find that the right partner that you can actually say, right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's give this a good few months with it with

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<v Speaker 2>a coach and work out who's bolls what. Then you

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<v Speaker 2>know it's it's just part of it's part of what

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<v Speaker 2>I have to accept at the moment. If you were

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<v Speaker 2>no other solution, I can't get too down about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Get to if you were to, I mean, at this

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<v Speaker 1>stage in your career, with with your experience, if you

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<v Speaker 1>national coaches or some elite level there and say, is

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<v Speaker 1>there a youngster out there was that Is that an

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<v Speaker 1>option or not? Does that route? Not many exist.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not many youngsters who that young.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a Louis Maxtead someone like that. Like these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are all of them thinking they're going to be top

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred singles.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but they might be playing doubles, But I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be getting in the challenges with them with they're ranking

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to play a futures and picked up twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five points and were doing nothing for my ranking, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's the same reason a guy top forty in

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<v Speaker 2>the world wuldn't play with me. He's in five hundreds already.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would he drop down to play a one two

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<v Speaker 2>five challenger or ATP two fifty or it's it's it's difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I could play the odd I could drop

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<v Speaker 2>down for the odd tournament if there's nothing else going on.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, with the schedule and with the amount

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<v Speaker 2>you have to play, it it's pretty pretty fast paced.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it will all work itself out. It

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<v Speaker 2>has before and it will again. So if I manage

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<v Speaker 2>what I could manage and keep improving, then then good

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<v Speaker 2>things will happen. And I've done that well in the

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<v Speaker 2>last year actually so well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know this this is our last podcast of our

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<v Speaker 1>run at Windmore in twenty twenty five. For everyone that's

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<v Speaker 1>listened and the questions we've had in and just thanks

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<v Speaker 1>so much. I want to say that the bearing with

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<v Speaker 1>us through the audio. We said that the most important

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<v Speaker 1>thing that we brought as many podcasts as we could

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<v Speaker 1>while Marcus was out there competing and personally, Mate, I've

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<v Speaker 1>loved speaking to regularly and I love seeing you at

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<v Speaker 1>wind wooden and having big gold cuddles with you. And

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to do more.

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<v Speaker 2>Pods, nor can I. Nor can I. Thanks thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>everyone that's been listening. And yeah, we'll be back to

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<v Speaker 2>him with better quality.

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<v Speaker 1>Better quality, and we are. We're making a promise to

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<v Speaker 1>each other. We're doing this regularly, and we're we're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of going to move away from how we've done it

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, asked with interviews and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to be talking. We're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes about tennis, sometimes about lifestyle and things like that

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<v Speaker 1>and really just two people chatting. But it really works

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<v Speaker 1>if you're listening, subscribe, share, build the audience and get

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<v Speaker 1>involved as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Get involved. And yeah, we will be talking about crisps

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<v Speaker 2>and ice cream too as well. I'm sure at some

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<v Speaker 2>point the.

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<v Speaker 1>Ice cream special coming up. Yeah, Markers, I've loved it, mate,

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<v Speaker 1>and speak again, Chat soon, see it, Lady guys Ka