WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.000 --> 00:00:07.080 It's time for coffee and company fueled by Thornton's on 2 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:22.519 Sports Talk seven ninety. Now here's Nick Coffee. 3 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:21.920 All right, hour number two Here on a Wednesday afternoon, 4 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:24.920 Coffee and company here on Sports Talk seven ninety. We 5 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:27.440 are fuel about Thornton's as we come to you live 6 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:30.480 from Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm in Charlotte. The company man, 7 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:33.880 mister John Alden, he's back at the seven ninety headquarters. 8 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:36.399 They're at four Street Live and we got two more 9 00:00:36.399 --> 00:00:37.880 hours left in a lot to get to Thank you 10 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:39.560 guys once again for hanging out with us. Don't forget 11 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:41.240 you could take us with you wherever you go. 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But before 22 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:09.359 we get to that reminder, twenty four hours from now, 23 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:12.079 we'll be talking with Pat Kelsey here in Charlotte as 24 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:16.040 he has his first acc basketball Media Day appearance. He'll 25 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:18.959 have his press conference with all the other coaches, and 26 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.239 then here's what they do. They each coach has a 27 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:24.319 press conference and then they have what's called the breakout rooms, 28 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:27.560 where you know, there's this kind of a station where 29 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:29.640 you know you're not live, but you can and you 30 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:32.280 can video. But you know there's still people who just do. 31 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:35.799 In fact, I haven't been to a breakout I'll be 32 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:37.719 there tomorrow for it, but it would be a big 33 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:39.799 surprise to me if there are people there that are 34 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:44.719 like transcribing quotes from players and coaches, Like I kind 35 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:47.000 of feel like the old school Capital Jays still do that. 36 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:49.159 You know, I used to sit by Tim Sullivan every 37 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.120 every Louisville basketball game, and you know, everything he did 38 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:55.000 would be notes. Now I'm sure he's not, you know, 39 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:57.319 just trying to write word for word what somebody is 40 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.640 saying in an answer. But you know, the players and 41 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:02.599 coaches kind of just sit around and I don't know 42 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:04.760 how long it lasts, but they're kind of there for 43 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.760 for a good chunk of of the afternoon seemingly for 44 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:11.039 anybody to come up and ask questions and interview them. 45 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:13.719 And then uh, then there's Radio Row and that really, 46 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.000 you know, it really comes down to if you have 47 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:19.159 like you know, and let me ask you this, John, 48 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:21.080 I know you got to you gotta get Zach on 49 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:25.800 the line coming up here soon. But there was at me. 50 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:27.960 I know one was from Stanford. Let me see if 51 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:30.479 I can find the other one. So because I submitted, 52 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:32.639 you know, my credential and I said I wanted to 53 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:36.439 be at Radio Row, I got emails from three different 54 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:40.360 programs that are bringing a coach and you know obviously 55 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:44.280 basketball players here for it, and you know, they're trying 56 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:47.159 to coordinate and asking if I if I want to 57 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:50.159 have like their players on and I told them no, 58 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:52.960 and I kind of feel bad, but like I shouldn't 59 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:53.840 feel bad, right. 60 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:56.400 No, I mean, unless it's a specific player, Like I 61 00:02:56.439 --> 00:02:58.639 don't know who offered you or what school it might. 62 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:01.039 Have seen Stanford and I think it might stand might 63 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:01.840 have been Virginia Tech. 64 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:04.159 Maybe I could see you wanting to do it, if 65 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:06.840 maybe it was Duke and Cooper Flag or something was 66 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:09.199 maybe gonna be talking or something like that, because that's 67 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:11.360 that's somebody who's more than likely going to be a 68 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:14.560 national story the entire year of the college basketball SEASONA 69 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:16.800 who wants to I mean, again, this sounds rude. Maybe 70 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:18.360 you and I are kind of along the same lines 71 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:20.879 of thinking with this, but like nobody at least around 72 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.039 here probably cares about who Stanford's players are. 73 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:25.159 Yeah, and that's and that's kind of when I didn't 74 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:27.120 feel bad doing it. But then again, like I don't 75 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.520 you know, I don't think they They came all the 76 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.120 way from Stanford, and I'm pretty sure there's not a 77 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:34.759 radio crew that wanted to have them on live. And 78 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:36.479 it's not because you didn't have anything to do with 79 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:39.759 the player. It's just because, you know, a drivetime sports 80 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:42.439 radio show in a Louisville, Kentucky market, if we had 81 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:46.479 a random Stanford basketball player on for you know, a 82 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:49.439 ten minute segment like that would make no sense. And 83 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.520 there's also and I'm probably gonna do this tomorrow, like 84 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:54.960 they'll be you know, probably shouldn't say this, but you 85 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:57.159 would know anyway, there's gonna be people that are gonna 86 00:03:57.159 --> 00:03:59.719 be on the show here and there probably over the 87 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.680 next two weeks where I'm gonna be recording those conversations 88 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:05.759 here tomorrow, like Jeff Goodman's here, I'm gonna see if 89 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:07.319 I can get Fanto. I'm gonna see what what his 90 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:09.120 price is. I know his price is going up. The 91 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:11.879 numbers are going up for Fantic because he's he's got 92 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:14.759 the juice right now. But you know, if I did 93 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.399 that with a player that plays for you know, Miami, 94 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:19.680 like I would never why would ever play that on 95 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:21.279 the show, Like there would be no re there would 96 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:24.319 be no reason for me to to to play that 97 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:26.399 because it wouldn't be any you know, it would just 98 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:28.240 be you know, hey, this is it sounds so mean, 99 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.160 but it would just be a waste of time, you know. 100 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:32.240 But I mean, obviously I don't say that when I 101 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:34.319 respond to them and say, you know, thanks but no thanks. 102 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:36.360 But you know, kind of makes me feel bad because 103 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:38.439 you know, if you if you come out here and 104 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:40.759 you bring players, I'm not even sure players do the 105 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:42.639 podium anymore. So if you bring players and they do 106 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:44.560 the photo ops and all that, like they'll they'll they'll 107 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:48.000 have they'll they'll be interviewed in some capacity. But you know, 108 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:50.519 these events just aren't what they once were. And that's 109 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:52.439 you know, it's not really anybody's fault. It's just, you know, 110 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:56.399 like a lot of things, you know, people evolve, like 111 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:59.600 things evolve over time. But I am looking forward tomorrow 112 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:02.120 because again, if you heard the first part of the 113 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:05.920 show today, the first hour, I should say, you know, 114 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:09.959 I'm balancing it. There's two ways to look at it. 115 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:14.639 From my perspective as a Louisville fan, it is alarming 116 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.319 that the ACC is a basketball league, is not even 117 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:19.560 close to what it once was. In fact, if you 118 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:22.120 didn't have the big brands to prop up just because 119 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:27.120 you know, it's Duke, it's Carolina. Like the results specifically, 120 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:30.279 like just you know, aren't great and they haven't been, 121 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:31.959 and they've been getting worse, to be honest with you, 122 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:34.959 over the years. It's not been a gradual slow decline. 123 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:37.639 It's been actually falling off a cliff. So like that's 124 00:05:37.639 --> 00:05:41.839 not ideal. However, if you're Pat Kelsey, take advantage of that, 125 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:44.879 Like you know, you're gonna take your lumps in the 126 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:46.680 non conference, I would assume, because you play so many 127 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:50.079 really good teams, but in ACC play you could obviously 128 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:51.560 loose to anybody if you don't come ready to play. 129 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:52.959 And we don't have a clue how good louis is 130 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:55.639 going to because it's all brand new. But I you know, 131 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:57.120 I can't be the only one looking at the rest 132 00:05:57.120 --> 00:05:59.480 of the acc looking at their roster, looking at what 133 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:01.920 they bring back. Who's now coaching some of these teams, 134 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:05.120 and thinking to myself, you could be a mid team 135 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:09.680 and beat these guys. And yes, I know, trust me, 136 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:11.319 when I talk bad about the a SEC as a 137 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:15.519 basketball league, I'm well aware that you know Louisville has 138 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.079 been the bottom of that league for the last two years. 139 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:20.800 But it's because of one guy who's no longer here anymore, 140 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:23.600 and that's Kenny Payne. Like Pat Kelsey could end up 141 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:27.040 being a guy that doesn't work out here, he'll still 142 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:29.639 be a billion times better than the last guy we had, 143 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:31.000 and I think it will work out. I hope it 144 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:32.879 will work out with him long term. But you know, 145 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:35.399 I know Loolve has been bad the last years. You 146 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:38.519 have to remind me, you know, he's not bad. In fact, 147 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:42.040 is great. It's Zach Barnett, a FootballScoop dot Com who's 148 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:44.600 joining us to talk some college football. Zach, how we 149 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:45.839 doing on a Wednesday afternoon? 150 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:46.040 Sir? 151 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:48.600 Doing excellent? How are you? 152 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:50.639 I'm doing okay, I'm here in Charlotte. Have you ever 153 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:52.199 been to Charlotte, North Carolina? 154 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:55.759 I have enjoyed it multiple. 155 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:59.199 Times for what football? You know? Is it a vacation destination. 156 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:01.279 I'm curious. I got the next twenty four hours here? 157 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:01.920 What should I go do? 158 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.000 We had so I went there's a kid because we 159 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:09.480 had family with there at the time. Okay, and then 160 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:15.720 I went back there six years ago is when Gus 161 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.560 Maulson was at Auburn. So the AFCA convention was there. 162 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.680 That's why I love you, because you you relate times 163 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.079 in life to when coaches were at certain schools because 164 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:27.560 you're a football guy, that's right, you know, Like and 165 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:29.959 you think about certain years. You don't think like, Okay, yeah, 166 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:33.199 this big historical event happened. You think, oh, no, oh, 167 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.360 that was the year that Vanderbilt pulled off the upset 168 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:37.920 of a lifetime knocking off Alabama in the fall of 169 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:41.000 twenty twenty four. Speaking of that, where does that rank 170 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:41.199 for you? 171 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:45.399 Time that that upset? 172 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:47.480 I mean, I think I think it's an old timer, 173 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:49.839 like I don't know if like there's any analytics that 174 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:51.839 show it, but like as far as me watching an 175 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:54.839 upset take place, really not believing it was going to 176 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:57.519 happen until it did, and really still, you know, took 177 00:07:57.519 --> 00:07:59.160 a couple of days for me to actually believe that 178 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:01.759 what I saw did take place, Like, you know, no 179 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:03.920 offense to Andy, but like that's I mean that even 180 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.480 though Saban's gone like that, I never thought i'd see 181 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:07.680 Bama lose to Andy. 182 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:12.920 Yeah, Alabama under Nick Saban became like the default college 183 00:08:12.920 --> 00:08:15.639 football program for people that don't even know college football, 184 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.360 Like if you go to if you go to a 185 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:22.519 little league baseball field and some parents taking it too seriously, 186 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:24.600 they're gonna say, come on, dude, no one here plays 187 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:26.839 for the Yankees just because they're the default major league 188 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:32.000 baseball team. Alabama has become ubiquitous in that respect, and 189 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:37.279 so the default like, let me think of the craziest 190 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:39.919 sec upset I could possibly think of, would be the 191 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.200 lowest school of Vanderbilt over the best school historically Alabama, 192 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:45.960 and then that it actually happened, And then it happened 193 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:50.279 in such a wild, entertaining way with two fourth and 194 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.159 one touchdowns at Diego Pavia, such a singular player making 195 00:08:54.240 --> 00:09:00.799 so many plays. It was you know, historically Stanford over 196 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:07.799 USC is bigger by the point spread Delaware State UNLV 197 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:10.759 years ago, I believe was it was some HBCU as 198 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:14.000 a six touchdown under dog, But those weren't iconic in 199 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:17.679 the way that you know, Northern Illinois being Notre damely No, 200 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:20.519 people who don't know anything about college football understand the 201 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:24.080 magnitude of Northern Illinois beating Notre Dame. People who know 202 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.320 nothing about this sport understand that Vanderbilt over Alabama is 203 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:33.200 gigantic and it was one of the most exciting games 204 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:34.039 we've seen so far. 205 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.360 Can both things be true? Like if they played ten 206 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:41.360 times moving forward, Vandy might not win another one and 207 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:44.039 it might not be close. But in that game, you know, 208 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:46.279 you mentioned those fourth and one touchdowns, But I mean, 209 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:49.879 I feel like they maintained a level of you know, 210 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.159 competing with Bama that I feel like, you know, you 211 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:56.559 wouldn't be shocked if they did ten percent. I mean, 212 00:09:57.360 --> 00:09:59.200 Vandy has improved, but they could have lost by four 213 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:00.919 touchdowns and I think you could have still said Clark 214 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:03.039 Lee's doing a pretty good job because it's fandy, but 215 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:05.240 like I would, I just found myself very impressed that, like, 216 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:07.799 throughout the entire game they were you know, they were 217 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:11.360 competing and it wasn't flukey in my opinion, Like I 218 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:13.080 it's not just that they won, and I don't think 219 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:14.960 they'd win many if they played it again, but like, 220 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:17.440 outside of just getting the victory, like that was a 221 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:19.840 really telling performance I feel like for Clark. 222 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:25.440 Lee, yeah, I agree, Vanderbilt never trailed. So are they 223 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:27.759 the better team? No? Were they the better team that day? 224 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.919 Obviously they never trailed, And it wasn't you know, if 225 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:35.840 Vanderbilt had had jumped out to some you know, twenty 226 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:38.879 eight nothing lead and then held on to win twenty 227 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:41.480 eight twenty seven and Alabama missed the field goal at 228 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:43.960 the end that would have won it, you'd walked away, say, okay, 229 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:46.679 if that game was five minutes longer, it goes the 230 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:50.799 other way, or it wasn't some crazy comeback where Alabama 231 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:54.320 just you know, so hit the off switch and couldn't 232 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.960 flip the lights back on. This is the game where 233 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.600 they went up seven to nothing, got that crazy to 234 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.679 go up thirteen, but then Alabama would make a surge 235 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:07.000 and Vanderbilt would spawned, Alabama would get back within two, 236 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:13.279 then Vanderbilt would score. Clearly, Alabama has much better offense 237 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:17.679 athletes on offense than Vanderbilt does on defense, so it 238 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:20.879 felt like, you know, towards the end, Alabama could score well, 239 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.519 but Vanderbilt converted it well. They're twelve to eighteen on 240 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:29.799 third down. They clearly had an offensive system that Alabama 241 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:32.519 was not prepared to defend. And if that game had 242 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:35.559 gone another fifteen minutes, I don't think Alabama would have 243 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:38.679 been any more likely to get stops on Vanderbilt than 244 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.240 they were or the first sixty as evidenced by the 245 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:44.360 fact that if Alabama gets the ball back in the 246 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:46.840 final two twenty eight or whatever it is, they probably 247 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.039 go score and win the game. But Vanderbilt got got 248 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.720 every first down they needed and was able to sit 249 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.159 on the ball, which was just as impressive as any 250 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:56.159 of the points they scored. 251 00:11:57.480 --> 00:11:59.399 I wasn't planning on asking you this question, but now 252 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:02.360 that we're talking about it, I mean, isn't Vandy in 253 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:05.360 a unique spot to where if they end up, you know, 254 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:08.519 finishing with I don't know, five six wins. I mean, 255 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:10.879 and they've done that before, but this year their schedule 256 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:12.399 is really tough, and they already have a loss at 257 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:16.159 Georgia State, a close loss to Missouri that still I 258 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:18.559 think looked impressive, though, even though Missouri is clearly not 259 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.840 as good as the rankings indicated. But like, could Vandy 260 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:24.600 lose him? You know, he's clearly at the worst job 261 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:26.360 in his league, but it's the best league in the country. 262 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.000 It's a league that has the ability to pay you 263 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:30.759 a lot of money. They are making some investments in 264 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:34.159 the program, but like, you know, I don't know. Just again, 265 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:36.279 I wasn't even thinking about discussing this, but I think 266 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:38.440 it could be you know, if you're a top tier 267 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:40.399 program in the Big twelve, or I don't know, maybe 268 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:42.440 in a mid level job in the Big ten. I 269 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:44.799 think you could be very intrigued by this head coach. 270 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:46.960 But like for him, you know, like I don't know 271 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:48.799 what he would do, and I'm sure you don't know either, 272 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:51.279 But just you know, like Vandy losing their coach despite 273 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:52.720 not having a lot of wins just sounds like a 274 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:54.519 head scratcher. But I think you could you could be 275 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:57.240 impressive at Vandy with your record not being any indication 276 00:12:57.279 --> 00:12:57.519 of it. 277 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:01.879 I think the likelihood of that happening is very low 278 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:05.480 for a couple of reasons. One, I mean, Clark Lee 279 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:10.519 is a Vanderbilt alum. He clearly believed dumbass. No. No, 280 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:12.519 I think it's a good question because a lot of 281 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:14.799 people are probably aren't don't pay A whole lot. 282 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:15.879 Of people are dumbasses like me too. 283 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:18.840 You're right, Zack, But I mean, he was the defensive 284 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:22.000 coordinator of Notre Dame and doing quite well there, and 285 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:25.440 could have waited longer and and chosen somewhere else, but 286 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:27.559 he he popped on the Vanderbilt job when it opened, 287 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.240 and uh, you know, I've heard him speak multiple times 288 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:33.279 about how he has a plan to make Vanderbilt football 289 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:35.840 the premier college football program in the country. And I 290 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:38.559 think he's delusional. But it doesn't matter what I believe. 291 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.840 I believe that he believes it. So I think he's 292 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:45.759 very much in line to be there Pat Fitzgerald without 293 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:52.480 the hazing, hopefully. I also think it'd be unlikely that 294 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:54.240 someone would go get him because they, I mean, they 295 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:59.440 were bad, bad, bad until this season. In that this season, 296 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:03.279 he hired Tim Beck from New Mexico State. They're offensive coordinator. 297 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.240 He hired Jerry Kill the head coach in New Mexico State, 298 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:10.759 and he obviously brought in Diego Pavia from New Mexico State. 299 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:13.559 It was a very much a college basketball, you know, 300 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:19.440 type program acquisition that's become more what I assume you 301 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:21.840 see in college basketball in the AAU world, all that 302 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:25.159 type of stuff that's becoming more common in college football. 303 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:28.799 So obviously, as the head coach, your number one job 304 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:33.360 is to acquire talent, whether it be coaching or playing talent. 305 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:36.000 So I'm not trying to knock clerk Lee in any 306 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:37.720 way for bringing those guys in, but there's a clear, 307 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:41.720 very clear line of demarcation as to how Vanderbilt got 308 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:42.200 to where it did. 309 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.320 Zach Barnet Football scoop dot Com is our guest joining 310 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:48.559 us here on Sports Talk seven ninety talking some college football. 311 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.039 So right now in the in the updated eight people, 312 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:54.840 you've got Texas, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, and then 313 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:57.440 George is sitting at number five at four and one 314 00:14:58.039 --> 00:14:59.879 of the team. There's a handful of teams here that 315 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.480 I've had some close calls but have yet to take in. 316 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:05.240 L Miami's one of them. You know, Penn State's kind 317 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.399 of taking care of business. But it's been against bad teams. 318 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:10.600 Oregon unbeaten, and we actually talked about them last week, 319 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:12.399 but they just haven't really looked like the team that 320 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:14.399 a lot of people thought they'd be earlier this year. 321 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:17.120 Who do you feel like is a team that is, 322 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:21.360 you know, right now in position for a playoff spot 323 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:23.600 and you you would actually say that as if now, 324 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:26.519 with the way you expected to play out, they could 325 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:28.879 easily get in, but you're just not buying, like you 326 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:31.679 just think, like, man, it'll work out that way just 327 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:34.399 because of the schedule and because of you know who 328 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:37.200 they play. But they're not you know, they're gonna be 329 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:39.039 the They're gonna be the example of oh yeah, we're 330 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:40.720 letting twelve teams in. Now, this is a team that 331 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:42.960 has no shot of sniffing it. But like, you know, 332 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:44.639 they're not there, they're not threat. 333 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:51.120 That's a good question. I think, uh. I think Miami, 334 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:54.200 if they end up not winning the ACC and get 335 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:57.279 in as an at large, that's a team that could 336 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:01.200 find themselves in the Final four as a ten seed 337 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:03.080 or something like that. And I think that's also a 338 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:06.320 team that could get blown out in their first game. 339 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:08.879 And we look back and say was this team even 340 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:11.639 really that good? I mean, to struggle at home against 341 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:14.639 Virginia Tech is one thing. Everyone has a game like that. 342 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:18.000 But then to go on the road, and it's obviously 343 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:20.360 not easy to go on the road at cross country 344 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:21.960 at cal and play at night and all that stuff. 345 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:25.639 But to fall behind and then rally like that again 346 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:30.679 tells me you you there's some some fraudulents there. Penn State. 347 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:34.919 I've a been long on Penn State and Ole Miss 348 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:37.879 or Paper Tiger programs. Either one of them could get in. 349 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.080 Every time I watch them play, I think about you, 350 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.799 because I think you you bring that point up, and 351 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:44.799 nobody else really seems to, at least that I hear 352 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.440 talk about it. And it's very true. They've not really 353 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.080 ever won anything that mattered, but you know, they always 354 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:51.639 stay in that top twelve range. 355 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:55.080 Yeah, I mean when when Ole Miss I'm not an 356 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:57.559 AP top twenty five voter, but I voted the super 357 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:02.039 sixteen pole and when they lost to Kentucky, I dropped 358 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:03.919 them from like number six all the way out and 359 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:05.880 they stayed it. They went from like six to twelve 360 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:07.599 just because voters are like, well, it's omes and they 361 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.920 were number six and usually when you lose, you fall 362 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.720 six or seven spot. It's like this team has accomplished nothing. 363 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.960 If they lose on Saturday, they'll still accomplish nothing. Their 364 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:20.519 best win is South Carolina, and what is South Carolina? 365 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:23.440 I have no idea. Same for Penn State. I think 366 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:25.519 they're a good team, but what have they really accomplished? 367 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:27.200 I have no idea. 368 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:30.559 And with Penn State, they've had over the years opportunities 369 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:35.359 to actually change the mindset of folks like us who realize, yeah, 370 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:37.480 they'll go take care of business against who they're supposed 371 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:40.119 to beat. But when it comes to a big challenge, 372 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:42.799 an opportunity to kind of get a big win, they 373 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:45.119 they never get. They never come through. Doesn't mean they're bad, 374 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:47.000 it's just, you know, they're just they're kind of just 375 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:49.480 slotted in there. But you know, I don't think anybody 376 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:51.359 even if you know, even if you're not aware of 377 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.480 some of the things we've you know that we've discussed, 378 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:55.880 you know, really with it's with James Franklin his entire 379 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:57.440 time there at Penn State, and really it's with Lane 380 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.680 Kiffin in this Latin the last few years. But they'll 381 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:01.119 be who they're supposed to be for the most part, 382 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.440 but then when it comes time to like, actually, you know, 383 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.319 do something of substance, they just they kind of fall short. 384 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:09.319 But Zach Barnett is our guest. You're joining us on 385 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:11.240 Sports Talk seven nineties. So, Zach, I think it's safe 386 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.799 to say the most disappointing team right now in college 387 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:17.279 football is Florida State. I mean, they're just an afterthought 388 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.319 at this point, coming off of an undefeated season in 389 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:22.359 the regular season and now they're a joke. But when 390 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:25.079 it comes to the biggest surprise team, I mean it 391 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:27.440 has to be Indiana. Right. Nobody's saying they're going to 392 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:29.440 make the playoff for sure, and everybody's aware of their 393 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:33.039 schedule and who they've played, But like even Indiana teams 394 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.559 that had similar schedules didn't play the way Kurt Signette's 395 00:18:36.559 --> 00:18:37.480 got these Hoosiers playing. 396 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:44.839 Yeah, I've seen talk of people talking themselves into Indiana 397 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:48.079 actually will make the playoffs. I'm not there. 398 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:50.559 But is it more just because of like the scenario, 399 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:52.839 the odds scheduling. It's not like people think they're like 400 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:54.799 legitimately I don't know. Maybe some people do think they're 401 00:18:54.839 --> 00:18:57.079