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True Murder with your 59 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:50.280 host journalist and author Dan Zupanski, Good Evening. One morning 60 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:55.000 in July nineteen seventy four, Anita Andrews, the owner and 61 00:02:55.080 --> 00:03:00.000 bartender at Fagiani's Cocktail Lounge in Napa, California, was found 62 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:03.800 dead in her bar, raped, beaten, and stabbed to death 63 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:07.520 in a bloody frenzy. She had last been seen alive 64 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:10.599 the night before, talking to a drifter who sat at 65 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:13.759 the end of the bar playing cards and flirting with her, 66 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:19.439 but the stranger, along with Anita's Cadillac, had disappeared. Unable 67 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:23.439 to locate a suspect, police investigators sadly watched a case 68 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:28.479 who grow cold over the years. Meanwhile, a month after 69 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:32.319 Anita's murder, young Michele Wallace was driving down a road 70 00:03:32.360 --> 00:03:36.039 in the mountains near Crested Butte Colorado, when she gave 71 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.280 two stranded motorists, Chuck Matthews and a man named Roy, 72 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:43.520 a ride. Dropping Matthews off at a bar, she agreed 73 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.840 to take Roy to his truck. She was never seen 74 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:50.000 alive again, nor could a massive search of the mountains 75 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.439 locate her remains. The trail leading to her killer also 76 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:59.319 ran into dead ends. Fourteen years later, Charlotte Sourowin engaged 77 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:02.039 to be married a smooth talking man at a laundromat 78 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:06.360 in Livingston Parish, Louisiana. The next evening, her body was 79 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:09.560 found in the woods. She had been raped, tortured, and 80 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:14.159 her throats slashed. The police suspected her fiancee, Vince Lejeune, 81 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:18.639 though he proclaimed his innocence to anyone who would listen. Meanwhile, 82 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:22.160 the man from the laundromat couldn't be located. The three 83 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:26.079 murders would remain unsolved, eating at the hearts, minds, and 84 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:30.639 lives of the women's families, friends, and communities. Then, in 85 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:34.120 the early nineteen nineties, a rookie Gunnison County Sheriff's investigator 86 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:37.439 named Cathy Young began looking into the Wallace case and 87 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:42.439 identified a suspect named Roy Mellinson, a serial rapist from Texas. 88 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:49.600 Smooth Talker is the story of Melonson, his depredations, and 89 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:54.240 the intrepid police work they went into bringing him to justice. 90 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:57.160 The book that were featuring this evening is Smooth Talker 91 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:00.959 with my special guest, journalist and author and publishers Steve Jackson. 92 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.240 Welcome back to the program, and thank you for a 93 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:07.079 greeing his interview. Steve Jackson, Thanks David. 94 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:08.800 It's always a pleasure to be on this show. 95 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:12.879 It's always our pleasure and my pleasure, so thank you 96 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:16.480 very much, Steve. I won't ask the question how you 97 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:18.519 came to write this because that will give a little 98 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:20.759 bit too much away, and the audience will know what 99 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.680 I mean a little bit later on. So let's just 100 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:28.319 get right to July nineteen seventy four. Tell us a 101 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:32.480 little bit about Napa Valley, California, and hopefully I didn't 102 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:38.319 mispronounce in the introduction thag Yianni's cocktail bar, Muriel and 103 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:42.639 Anita and the bar has been in the family. Tell 104 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:46.680 us a little bit about Napa Valley, California, and the 105 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:49.800 bar the Anita and Muria alone. It's been in the 106 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.279 family for a while. Tell us set the stage, please. 107 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:57.680 For sure. Back then, anybody who's familiar with the Napa 108 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:01.199 Valley now knows it's quite built up and it's wine 109 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:06.240 tourists sort of destination, very touristy, lots and lots of people. 110 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.839 But back in nineteen seventy four it sort of still 111 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:14.639 vineyards are going, all the famous ones or American vineyards 112 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:17.439 are starting to go there. But it's still a pretty 113 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:24.560 quiet town and county. Lots of farms, rolling hills, not 114 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:26.759 a lot of strangers, you know, it's sort of everybody 115 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.480 knows everybody, though, you know, there's always a few drifters. 116 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:34.040 But anyway, Fagianni's or for Johnny's, I've heard it pronounced 117 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:38.040 a couple of different ways is a bar in downtown 118 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:42.279 Napa at this time in nineteen seventy four. It was 119 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:49.240 founded by an Italian immigrant named Nick Fagiani, who came 120 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.680 over originally to work with in the vineyards, but bought 121 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:56.560 this place and started a sort of a family bar lounge, 122 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:00.439 you know, kind of a working man's bar. Pretty much 123 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:04.879 raised is his two daughters there, Muriel and Anita, and 124 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:10.079 you know, for a while there it was quite like 125 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:12.399 I said, working man bring your family in how your 126 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.600 kids can run around the pool table, that sort of 127 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:17.759 thing that dogs are walking in and out. Pretty laid 128 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:22.600 back place, in that sort of a setting. And the girls. 129 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:26.800 Two girls grew up there. But by nineteen seventy four, 130 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:31.360 this part of Napa was really pretty run down. It 131 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.040 was kind of a lot of CD bars and a 132 00:07:34.079 --> 00:07:37.480 couple of CD hotels. The hotel right across the street 133 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:44.959 from Fajanni's Cocktail Lounge was sort of a stepping stone 134 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:49.120 out of the local psychiatric hospital. And you know, so 135 00:07:49.160 --> 00:07:52.480 it wasn't the nicest part of town. But about five 136 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:58.279 years earlier, in nineteen sixty nine, Nick Svajiani had died 137 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:02.600 and left the bar to his They were trying to 138 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:05.000 sell it. Would have liked to have sell it, but 139 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:08.000 they kept it open. And they only kept it open 140 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:11.120 because otherwise they would have lost the liquor license, which 141 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:13.040 was about the only thing it had going for it. 142 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:19.839 So that's the scene. Anita Andrews, the younger of the 143 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:24.480 two former County Beauty queen, she's now fifty one. In 144 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:28.759 nineteen seventy four, she does most of the bartending at night. 145 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:31.560 There's never a ton of people in there. There's always 146 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:36.440 you know, on this particular night, there's three locals who 147 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:39.039 are in there, kind of carrousing around town. A couple 148 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:42.639 their workmen, and there's a guy kind of sitting at 149 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:46.120 the end of the bar flirting with Anita, kind of 150 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:49.200 flipping some cards around. It's doing those sorts of things, 151 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:51.440 but not a whole lot of other people. A couple 152 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:54.320 of people drift in and out. 153 00:08:56.679 --> 00:08:59.559 Now one of these gentlemen is David Loos, and he's 154 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:02.240 gone to the washroom and his buddies, like you say, 155 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:08.320 they're out carousing, and just describe this altercation and why 156 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:11.600 this altercation occurs and what David Loose does. 157 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:17.960 Well, Like I said, the three guys workmen, construction workers, 158 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:21.279 including David Loose is one of them. They've been kind 159 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:23.399 of they've had a couple of beers already. They're kind 160 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:26.960 of doing a bar crawl around town and are headed 161 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:29.039 for yet another bar from here and just kind of 162 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:31.759 stop by for a couple of beers. But this guy 163 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:34.000 on the other end of the bar, they can tell 164 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:37.879 he's purposefully kind of trying to shield, has his back 165 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:39.799 to him and when they kind of try to get 166 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:42.039 a look at him, the shield the space from him 167 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:45.919 and and he just sits funny, just kind of strikes 168 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:49.000 him wrong some ways, and a little bit protective. Everybody 169 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:55.120 in this town is Anita Andrews. And so anyway, you know, 170 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:57.759 one of the guys that David goes off to the bathroom, 171 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:00.799 one of his friends. Besides, he does like this guy's 172 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:03.919 attitude and actually starts yelling at him in the bar, saying, 173 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:05.399 you know, hey, what's the matter with you? What are 174 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:11.679 you trying to hide there? Which you know, he he 175 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:14.559 seemed to have pegged it. But David comes out of 176 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:18.480 the bathroom and here's his friend yelling at this guy. 177 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:20.799 So he's kind of like, well, let's let's leave and 178 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:24.519 move on to the next bar. And Anita kind of, 179 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:26.960 you know, once these guys out they've had too much 180 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:29.080 to drink, doesn't want to fight there at the bar. 181 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:32.039 She I don't think she sees anything wrong with this 182 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:34.039 guy sitting at the bar trying that he's going to 183 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:39.000 finish his drink and have his cigarette move along himself. 184 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:42.000 So but she doesn't want any fights, of course, so 185 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:44.480 she kind of hustles the three guys out of the bar, 186 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:47.919 and as they're leaving, David LuSE goes up to the 187 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:51.720 guy and shakes his hand, and basically he's playing peacemaker. 188 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:53.960 He says, you know, you know, we didn't mean anything 189 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:57.240 by it, and have a good night, mister. And this 190 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:00.399 guy doesn't say much of anything, but the three the 191 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:04.720 three Carousers leave the bar, and the lathe in the 192 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:07.279 bar or Anita and the guy sitting at the bar. 193 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:11.399 Now, what you also set the stage too, is that 194 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:15.360 there's a not only are people other people in the 195 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.080 little community of thirty four thousand and fifty miles north 196 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:21.000 of San Francisco kind of protective Anita and her sister, 197 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:27.200 but also that there's a police night, a night patrol, 198 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:30.440 a nightly patrolled by police. And if they were to 199 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:33.240 see the Padillac on the door, and they don't see 200 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:38.960 Anita's tan colored Cadillac, then they would be doing further investigation. 201 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.879 So it's sort of an unofficial thing that even the 202 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:46.039 police are protective of her. So now we're talking about 203 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.279 the next day. Now Anita works at the Napa State 204 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:52.759 Hospital for the criminally insane. I don't know if that's ironic, 205 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.960 but the next day they call her mother, Muriel, and 206 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:59.360 they're looking for So take it from there. What happens 207 00:11:59.399 --> 00:11:59.879 after that. 208 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:06.120 Well, they actually call Anita's mother. Mariel is her sister. 209 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:11.159 The mother calls Mauriel and says, you know, your sister 210 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:16.519 didn't show up her work today, and which is really unusual. 211 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:21.440 Anita's very punctual, never misses work at the hospital. They 212 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:24.240 really don't really like having the bar open, and neither 213 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.159 one of them likes the neighborhood and are kind of 214 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:31.120 scared of the neighborhood. So the mother calls Maryel and says, well, 215 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:33.600 go check on Anita, see what she's doing. Maybe she's 216 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:36.559 sick at home or something. So Mariel gets in her car. 217 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:40.559 She drives over to Anita's apartment and there's no one 218 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:44.080 there and the Cadillac's not there. So she decides, well, 219 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:45.919 I'll go down to the bar see if she went 220 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:49.519 down there. Maybe she forgot something or whatever and went 221 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:53.200 down there. And so she goes down and she arrives 222 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.440 there and she notices that there's no padlock on the 223 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:00.039 front door, but there's the Cadillac isn't around either, so 224 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.600 unusual that, like, like I said, this is not a 225 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:06.600 nice part of town. And they went to extra efforts 226 00:13:06.600 --> 00:13:10.399 to put a big padlock on the doors to protect 227 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:13.799 the place, so that's that's missing. But yet there's no 228 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:16.679 sign of Anita outside as far as her cadillac. So 229 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:21.360 maryel thinks that's curious. As she goes toward the bar. 230 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:27.960 Now continue with that, what does she what does she do? 231 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:31.200 Does she call anybody to get some help or does 232 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.799 she just venture into this bar herself? 233 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:37.000 No, she she goes into the bar. It's you know, 234 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.759 once again, it's this is daytime now, and and so 235 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:42.399 this is a place that she was passically raised as 236 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:45.480 a kid, so she doesn't really have any trepidation about 237 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:49.039 going into the bar. She thinks it's unusual that it's unlocked, 238 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:54.720 and so she goes in and you know, just uh 239 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.080 notices that the place is pretty clean, wh her sister 240 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:04.799 was pretty uh dedicated to the place just being kept spotless. 241 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.039 But she does notice that there's an ash tray on 242 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.320 the bar still, and so she goes and then she 243 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:13.919 notices that the storeroom doors away from the bar at 244 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:17.639 the back of the bar are closed, and that's unusual 245 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:21.559 because they typically left just left them open and didn't 246 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:25.039 go to the effort of closing those. So she went 247 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:27.440 back there, still thinking this is curious. I'm sure she 248 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:31.360 called out for her sister, but there's no answer. So 249 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:34.000 she walks back to the storeroom and gets to the 250 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:41.720 storeroom and there it looks like just the savage attack 251 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:44.639 of some sort. There's there's blood on the wall, There's 252 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:48.320 there's blood on boxes, there's blood coming down off of 253 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:52.759 stacks of beer bottles, and they're laying on the floor 254 00:14:53.639 --> 00:14:58.679 partly undressed, as her sister, Anita, who's been murdered. 255 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:03.440 Okay, so police arrive. Uh, they got to gather some evidence. 256 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:08.320 So let's let's tell our audience what they do find 257 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:12.399 in terms of evidence, what's missing, and just tell us 258 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:15.960 what they find at this crime scene and the condition 259 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:20.879 of Anita as well, what is what has happened to her? 260 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:25.639 Well, they come in this is this is the days 261 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:28.440 before a lot of like crime scene investigators. But they 262 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:32.879 do have a The NAPA Police Department can can't afford 263 00:15:33.120 --> 00:15:36.000 a criminologist of its own, so they had a guy 264 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:41.879 over in Berkeley near San Francisco who was actually associated 265 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:45.840 with the Diversity of cal Berkeley there and and they 266 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:48.279 call him over to look at this crime scene. You know, 267 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.799 they just don't have these sorts of things you know, 268 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.159 they're the kind of murder you'd have a NAPA would 269 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:55.559 be somebody get mad at somebody else at the bar, 270 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:00.200 something like that. But just this this savage attack on uh, 271 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:03.799 you know, a woman who never heard anybody or or 272 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:08.639 anything else. So they called in the criminologists and he 273 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:11.080 went through there and he for that age. It was 274 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:16.320 an amazing uh criminalist, crime scene investigator. I mean, he 275 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:20.000 he went over that place, picked up there. There's the 276 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:23.080 ash tray that was on the bar. There was a 277 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:27.559 single cigarette butt in it, and he took that, you know, 278 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:31.440 he took photographs. One of one of the interesting things 279 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.759 that he noticed right away was that all the barstools 280 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:38.399 along the bar under the bar had been very neatly 281 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:42.399 lined up almost you know, sort of uh you just 282 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:45.120 to line them up like that, you you really want 283 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:48.039 your your chairs in a row. But the very last one, 284 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:50.799 the one over by the ash tray, was still pulled 285 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:54.559 out from the bar, as if Anita had not gotten 286 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:58.039 around to putting it in its proper order or taking 287 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:02.200 the ashtray off. So he finds that he finds a 288 00:17:02.320 --> 00:17:06.319 screwdriver and the sink. The sinks are clean, pretty much clean, 289 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.440 but though some of the water will later test for 290 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.960 some blood. And he finds a screwdriver. It's a little 291 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:15.960 bit bent, that kind of a narrow screwdriver laying next 292 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:21.559 to the sink. It's obviously been washed off because it's 293 00:17:21.640 --> 00:17:24.000 even had a chance to believe, a small rough spot 294 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:28.119 on the steel sink. And there's a toweling on the floor. 295 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:33.359 So he gathers all these things. They takes, you know, 296 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:37.519 Anita has taken for an autopsy. They find glass in 297 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:40.240 her hair and a cut to her scalp, indicating she'd 298 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:43.880 been struck by a bottle and this criminalist had picked 299 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:46.960 up shards of that glass and took it with them. 300 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:50.079 They found another number of beer bottles that have been 301 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:52.640 around that day, so they've gathered all those up so 302 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:56.599 they be fingerprinted. But Anita, as far as her condition, 303 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:03.720 she'd been stabbed thirteen times with the screwdriver, mostly in 304 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.599 the chest. But just she had put up quite a battle. 305 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:12.440 I mean that room that photos from that room have 306 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:16.000 to have blood splattered from one one into the other. 307 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:20.279 It was just she fought hard and but whoever was 308 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:25.160 after was just in a furious rage and he ends 309 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:30.000 up stabbing her thirteen times. Attempted to specially assault her. 310 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:33.799 Was not completely clear if he managed to do that, 311 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:39.799 but it certainly just robed her and tried and so 312 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:43.759 that that's and then and had also strangled and beat 313 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:48.359 her or broke their nose was broken. She suffered a 314 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:52.599 number of contusions, bruises, and lacerations in addition to the 315 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:53.279 stab wos. 316 00:18:56.039 --> 00:19:00.000 There was also she had no watch, ring or jewelry. 317 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:03.160 There was no purse found, no credit cards, no car keys, 318 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:06.119 and there was some bloody footprints, wasn't there? 319 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:11.279 Left right, there's a bloody footprint leading to the storeroom 320 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:15.920 from the bar and the stairs that went upstairs to 321 00:19:16.000 --> 00:19:20.920 the office where her purse and the cash from the 322 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:24.160 cash box and other things were all missing, along with 323 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:27.920 the jewelry that united and there was one bloody footprint 324 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:31.519 over by the door as the killer left the bar. 325 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:39.039 Now we're gonna I'm gonna ask you how police proceed Usually, 326 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:43.680 of course, police look at the suspect closest to the 327 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:47.279 most familiar, the ex boyfriend, the current boyfriend, the ex husband, 328 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:51.000 the disgruntled employee, something like that. But we're also going 329 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:54.039 to we've got to make sure that people understand there 330 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:57.240 were no computers at this time in nineteen seventy four. 331 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:01.160 So before we talk about what happened a month later 332 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:04.880 in terms of the credit card, let's talk about detective 333 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:08.720 John Bailey and Robert Jarecki and what how do they proceed, 334 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:12.240 who do they look at, how does their investigation move forward? 335 00:20:13.720 --> 00:20:15.839 Well, it's you know, it's it's one of those good 336 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:20.519 old fashioned gum shoe detectives where they hit the streets. 337 00:20:20.599 --> 00:20:23.519 They you know, they started canvassing the neighborhood looking to 338 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:27.839 see if there's anybody had acted strangers there. Differently, they 339 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:30.480 actually got a suspect of some guy who had checked 340 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.400 into the hospital across the street and then checked out 341 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:35.759 that morning, checked in the day before, then checked out 342 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:39.799 that morning, kind of in a hurry. So they're doing 343 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:42.160 that sort of thing, just did anybody see anything, did 344 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:46.759 anybody hear anything? And they're also you know, they're talking 345 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:49.799 to the ex husband, they're talking to the daughters, they're 346 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:58.160 talking to friends and as as well as and and 347 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:01.599 they developed you know, there was a boyfriend, sort of 348 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:08.720 on again, off again boyfriend who had been she was 349 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:11.039 done with him, supposedly because he'd run up a big 350 00:21:11.079 --> 00:21:13.079 telephone bill and I think he was just he worked 351 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:16.400 for the carnival and was gone a lot, so she 352 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:19.680 told others, including her daughter, that she was sort of 353 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:22.680 done with this skuy. But so they're doing that kind 354 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:27.839 of good old fashioned, you know, trying to run down 355 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:33.880 every lead that they can. And then during this during 356 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.640 actually that first morning, David Luce, the guy we talked 357 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.400 about from the confrontation the night before, had actually heard 358 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:46.400 what happened and came over to the bar and described 359 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:49.119 him and his three friends being there and that there 360 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:52.480 was this stranger sitting at the end of the bar 361 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:55.200 talking to Anita, and he was the last one left 362 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:58.000 in there. They actually, David Luth and his friends were 363 00:21:58.119 --> 00:22:01.160 suspected for a little bit or on the suspect list 364 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:04.279 because you know, they're admitting that they may have been 365 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:06.160 the last ones to see an need except for the 366 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:10.200 stranger that nobody can see and has heard of or 367 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:12.920 anything else. So they even had to be cleared, but 368 00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:15.440 it was quickly apparent that they had gone on to 369 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:20.200 this other restaurants and that sort of thing. So anyway, 370 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:25.400 that is where we're at is they are just you know, 371 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:29.559 they're looking for old people in the area who have 372 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:35.240 done raped before or maybe delons or robbers because Anita 373 00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:39.279 was robbed and maybe she resisted the robbery. So they're 374 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:42.559 running through those sorts of things. 375 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:47.000 Now, tell us about the break that they do get finally, 376 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:49.640 because it does take a little while. It might have 377 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.559 been a little bit quicker. But what happens thirty days 378 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:56.160 later in terms of the credit card hit sixty miles 379 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:00.640 northwest of Napa, So well, tell us a little bit both. 380 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:04.680 Yeah, well, you're right, there's no computers at this time, 381 00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.519 so they kind of had to wait for Yeah. 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