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Speaker 1: on the Ball with Steve Rivera on Fox Sports fourteen
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to Win in the Ball here on
Speaker 2: Fox Sports fourteen fifty I'm Steve Vera, and today with
Speaker 2: me as a co host is Blake Eager from the
Speaker 2: Southern Arizona.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in some potico here and now we have
Speaker 2: one with breaking news.
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Speaker 4: Fifty Happy Monday to everyone out there, Happy New Year
Speaker 4: to everyone out there. Here's truly mister goody two shoes
Speaker 4: back here on a Monday. Hopefully going to be a
Speaker 4: standard going forward on the Mondays and Wednesdays. Storry to
Speaker 4: off breaking news with something that you want to start
Speaker 4: with Steve. Rutgers star guard Kyomi mcmiller. Her transfer talk
Speaker 4: is starting to heat up after her benching previous previous
Speaker 4: to the number four USC matchup. Yeah, Rutgers went on
Speaker 4: to lose big time and their biggest loss in program history.
Speaker 4: She posted about it right before the game and she
Speaker 4: was gonna be she was she would not be playing
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 5: This is what I would like to apologize to my fans.
Speaker 4: I will not be playing today's game versus USC, which
Speaker 4: is number four in the country. This decision was made
Speaker 4: by my head coach, Coke Eest Washington. Thank you for
Speaker 4: your continued support.
Speaker 2: God bless So you're you're a former coach and I
Speaker 2: found this to be interesting for just this conversation.
Speaker 6: Okay, so now you have.
Speaker 2: Kids who are getting paid, right, they have more power
Speaker 2: than they've ever had before. Now there's a thing that
Speaker 2: they might play. Give them five years instead of four
Speaker 2: to play all five whatever, and they're getting paid more money.
Speaker 2: You're a coach. You decide not to play this person,
Speaker 2: and then they in turn do this. How would you?
Speaker 2: How would you deal with it? You know, Steve Rivera,
Speaker 2: the star player, blah blah blah, you're not playing me.
Speaker 2: Coach Eager has decided not to play with me. Blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. Didn't explain why or whatever. Didn't explain why.
Speaker 2: I'm in trouble. But this is the world we live in.
Speaker 2: Now they have this this entitled entitlement may not be
Speaker 2: the right word, but this have this power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the power is probably a better way
Speaker 3: of putting it right, because you're a professional athlete. At
Speaker 3: this point, they're professional athletes, they are, no question so,
Speaker 3: and they're making some are making more than their actual
Speaker 3: head coaches making at times. But you talked about it earlier,
Speaker 3: Fork in the Road, Right, you can go one way
Speaker 3: or other. So what do you there's obviously something that
Speaker 3: happened that she's not playing. Sure, whether it's clubhouse, whether
Speaker 3: it's practice, whether it's effort, uh, whatever that is. Are
Speaker 3: you going to take and that player might decide You're
Speaker 3: you've got to make decisions. That player might decide your
Speaker 3: your season.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: Sure it looked like it did, right, Yeah? Absolutely? Or
Speaker 3: I mean who's more important that one person or the
Speaker 3: fifteen people that you have on the bench. It's a
Speaker 3: tough decision to make, and at this point, I from
Speaker 3: the coach, from a coaching standpoint, you've got to sit
Speaker 3: down and you've got to be honest with that person
Speaker 3: and see the reaction is I mean, the old school
Speaker 3: mentality is either suspend them, right, but you've got to
Speaker 3: set a standard that's across the board. There's a code
Speaker 3: of ethics that everybody has to follow. It's gonna it's
Speaker 3: a difficult decision.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I'll say this as a player
Speaker 2: twenty years ago, three years ago, five years ago, you
Speaker 2: don't do that.
Speaker 5: No, you're done.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're done.
Speaker 3: So you see people leaving, like quitting on the team
Speaker 3: in games now, Yeah, I mean requesting trades meets like
Speaker 3: that was just not the life that I ever lived in.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 2: No, And and you're asking them to pay you said
Speaker 2: people to pay you to play? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of that's going to be the
Speaker 2: distriment to everything. You know, why would they Why would
Speaker 2: people support you at the next stop if you couldn't
Speaker 2: handle the first stop?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's where people ask me that
Speaker 3: question all the time. Is that from a payment standpoint?
Speaker 3: Like I can't wrap my head around the nil like
Speaker 3: I've had I've had conversations, I've been at tables, I've
Speaker 3: been in meetings with people and I walk away and
Speaker 3: I go this, this doesn't sound legal to me.
Speaker 5: I don't know what to say.
Speaker 6: And it is.
Speaker 3: It's completely legal. It's just a different world now. If
Speaker 3: we're talking about a professional athlete like that's just it,
Speaker 3: you know, I want them to make as much money
Speaker 3: as you can. Sure, it's a business, as you said, right,
Speaker 3: who's going to look for out for the athlete, the owners,
Speaker 3: looking out for the team, the brand, Like that athlete
Speaker 3: should make as much of money. I just don't know
Speaker 3: how they do it in college anymore. Like there's so
Speaker 3: much money being involved that if you make the wrong
Speaker 3: decision with that player. Let's say she does transfer, right,
Speaker 3: she's out to send a tweet before the game is
Speaker 3: unheard of to me, But from a coaching standpoint, there
Speaker 3: has to be repercussions.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: Apparently in some of the stories, I guess in New Jersey,
Speaker 2: they were talking about she had gotten a fight with
Speaker 2: a teammate or something, and then the coach was saying,
Speaker 2: at some point, you're there to teach, right, you're learning
Speaker 2: lessons in college. You do these for a reason. It's
Speaker 2: like being a parent. You know, you have to discipline
Speaker 2: your kids for a reason. It may hurt you now
Speaker 2: or hers more than me, you know, whatever, but that's
Speaker 2: what you do. I mean, you have to do it
Speaker 2: or or the rest of the team season says, well,
Speaker 2: you did.
Speaker 6: It for her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got to be across the board. Yeah right, Jay,
Speaker 3: is she freshman this year?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean that's star. There's there's as a coach, what
Speaker 3: you're looking as you're looking for seniority to take over
Speaker 3: in that clubhouse. So like you might not be the
Speaker 3: person to have that conversation the veteran that senior or
Speaker 3: fifth year senior needs to be having that conversation.
Speaker 2: Well, were you here when we talked about McConnell and
Speaker 2: his the story about him and Johnson. I don't believe
Speaker 2: so so so mcconne, I don't know if you heard
Speaker 2: the story on the air. So McConnell's a senior Johnson Johnson,
Speaker 2: remember Johnson, tell me, Sammy Johnson comes here and he's
Speaker 2: this star guy, he'll be one and done blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: And he was acting like a one and done and
Speaker 2: my stuff doesn't stink blah blah blah. And McConnell said,
Speaker 2: this is not about you. Don't screw up my senior
Speaker 2: year because you think you're who you are. You know
Speaker 2: that ain't gonna happen. You're gonna be part of this
Speaker 2: team and act like a teammate. And it took a
Speaker 2: guy like McConnell. Who you who I think is fantastic
Speaker 2: to say grab whether he grabbed him by whatever and said, no,
Speaker 2: I'm the I'm the senior here, I'm the boss here
Speaker 2: or whatever. Captain, I don't care how good you are, don't.
Speaker 5: F with me.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be an I mean, that's a clubhouse you've
Speaker 3: got to be.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And baseball it's different because those dudes are those
Speaker 3: dudes to me the worst players.
Speaker 5: How can I say this?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 2: I covered triple A baseball. Baseball players are paid in
Speaker 2: the asses, but sometimes in a good way where they
Speaker 2: have that to talk to stop staron and they have
Speaker 2: that mach you know what I'm saying, machismo And and
Speaker 2: you said don't f with me or else.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's all you know, like the Bob
Speaker 3: Gibson story, where man, how am I frigetting? I just
Speaker 3: had this conversation with my dad, my uncle. Uh McCarver
Speaker 3: goes out there to talk to him and and Bob
Speaker 3: Gibson says, get the f back he goes That's the
Speaker 3: only time I ever went out to talk to him again.
Speaker 3: There's got to be that mentality because it's really you
Speaker 3: versus me situation. So, but in a in a clubhouse environment,
Speaker 3: especially with basketball, that senior has to lead the team,
Speaker 3: and that senior is not bought in the whole team's
Speaker 3: gonna go away.
Speaker 2: Right, And a lot of teams that don't do well
Speaker 2: have issues like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a thousand percent. Yeah, and it's besides, it's it's
Speaker 3: it's people. People don't know that. Yeah, this is all
Speaker 3: This team looks a little dysfunctioned. Well, I wonder what
Speaker 3: the reason is. Well, sometimes many times the story doesn't
Speaker 3: come out, and and nor should it, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: you want we wanted to sure the public wants to know.
Speaker 3: You guys want to know as journalists and broadcasters, but
Speaker 3: sure as coaches will.
Speaker 5: Let's go back to this. You have a lot of
Speaker 5: stuff kind of okay, so catch up the reason? How
Speaker 5: much that.
Speaker 6: Minutes?
Speaker 4: Okay, just I can I can try to speed run
Speaker 4: through it. Go ahead, Okay, I went into some. Arizona
Speaker 4: Athletics freshman guard Lawrence Swan got her second Big Twelve
Speaker 4: Freshman of the Week award was announced about an hour ago,
Speaker 4: two hours ago, uh into And speaking of women's basketball,
Speaker 4: they had a couple of games over the break. They
Speaker 4: lost last Tuesday, New Year's Eve to Utah big time.
Speaker 4: Kind of Utah kind of controlled that from the beginning.
Speaker 4: But then they go on the road Saturday at UCF
Speaker 4: and they win seventy five fifty three to Men's.
Speaker 5: We've talked about it.
Speaker 4: We didn't have a show last Tuesday, but if anyone
Speaker 4: out there doesn't know, they beat TCU ninety to eighty
Speaker 4: one at home. They go on the road to number
Speaker 4: sixteen Cincinnati and they beat Cincinnati seventy two sixty seven.
Speaker 4: And some Arizona football news, they picked up a transfer.
Speaker 4: Former cornerback Aiden Gardens from West Virginia is committed to
Speaker 4: the Wildcats to the NBA. The Mavericks guard Kyrie Irving
Speaker 4: is dealing with some back issues.
Speaker 5: He's gonna be out at least one to two weeks.
Speaker 4: The Warriors Jonathan Kamingo will be out at least three
Speaker 4: weeks with the ankle sprain. Let's see what else. Derek
Speaker 4: Rose Jersey was retired over Saturday. They kind of it
Speaker 4: was a surprise to Derek Rose and they ended up winning. Actually,
Speaker 4: so they won on Derek Rose night. That was that
Speaker 4: was nice to see. Going into the NFL. So coaching
Speaker 4: carousel happening right now. The Bears have requested to interview
Speaker 4: Cowboys Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 6: Cowboy fans are saying, please take him.
Speaker 5: Probably probably some injury news.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: Packers wide receiver Christian Watson had a season ending a
Speaker 4: cl injury and they're lost to the Bears. Yesterday the
Speaker 4: Jaguars fighting there head coach Doug Peterson, but kept GM
Speaker 4: try Block after four and thirteen season. That was yeah,
Speaker 4: Rex Ryan, if he says said he if he is
Speaker 4: the next tire for the just head coaching job, it
Speaker 4: won't be the Aaron Rodgers country Club anymore.
Speaker 3: That would be a weird hire to me, even though
Speaker 3: he coached. There's already there. I got a friend that's
Speaker 3: a Jets fan and just I this.
Speaker 2: This tells me how dumb I am. Uh, the owner
Speaker 2: from the Jets is a you A grad.
Speaker 5: I didn't know that either. I didn't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, me too. I was like, he doesn't give anything so.
Speaker 3: Sneaky out there that you're like, I mean the guy
Speaker 3: from Netflix Suber, I mean like he's a U A
Speaker 3: gret Like there's some sneaky ones out there.
Speaker 5: Antonio Pierce.
Speaker 4: Uh, seems like they're there their talks in the organization
Speaker 4: are around the future of the organization. So he's doesn't
Speaker 4: look like he's going anywhere right now. I don't think
Speaker 4: he should. I don't think you should. No, I don't
Speaker 4: think he's had his team yet. He kind of inherited
Speaker 4: a team. He's done decently. He's competed in games at points.
Speaker 4: I think he's the right There's another subject. I want
Speaker 4: to talk to you about it. Okay, he's the I
Speaker 4: think he's the right fit in Las Vegas. There were
Speaker 4: some discussions out there about Kevin O'Connell possibly leaving the
Speaker 4: Minnesota but he's made it clear that he wants to
Speaker 4: remain in Minnesota, where I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a kind of a crazy one. I
Speaker 3: don't think he should be going anywhere.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 4: Last week in the NFL Week eight, team had some
Speaker 4: good games. The Bengals held on to beat the Steelers
Speaker 4: to keep their playoff posts alive. They needed a Miami
Speaker 4: loss as well as a Denver Bronco loss, but the
Speaker 4: Broncos did win. They beat the second string Chiefs thirty
Speaker 4: eight to nothing to go to the playoffs for the
Speaker 4: first time since twenty fifteen. There's the longest streak between
Speaker 4: winning a Super Bowl and seeing the postseason again. And
Speaker 4: then a good one on Sunday night football between the
Speaker 4: Lions and the Vikings for a good while, and then
Speaker 4: the Lions kind of turned into the Jamir Gibbs Show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a crazy game. Vikings will put him
Speaker 2: for the first half and then still wasn't leading.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're leading.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna be going into the playoffs this week.
Speaker 4: Wild Card weekend, you got the Chargers going to the
Speaker 4: Texans on Saturday to thirty, Steelers playing the Ravens and
Speaker 4: the third time they meet this season at six pm.
Speaker 4: On Sunday, you have the Broncos going to the Bills
Speaker 4: at eleven, Packers visit the Eagles at two thirty, and
Speaker 4: the night cap will be the Commanders visiting the Buccaneers
Speaker 4: at six. Monday night four ball, Vikings visiting the Rams.
Speaker 4: Did you guys already do your picks for those games?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: No, you do that. We'll do this Thursday. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 5: be from the casino. And then you got some college
Speaker 5: football news.
Speaker 4: The FCS Championship is being played to night five o'clock,
Speaker 4: North Dakota State playing the undefeated Montana State Podcast.
Speaker 6: Yeah, those usual those usual people that played it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: are you done?
Speaker 5: Almost?
Speaker 4: Oregon defensive tackle and wide receiver Derek Harmon and Tess
Speaker 4: Johnson did declare for the draft today, So some high
Speaker 4: prospects out for the Ducks. Zachariah Branch and Zion Branch
Speaker 4: are transferring from uh USC to Georgia, So some ins
Speaker 4: and out with Georgia as their backup quarterback or maybe
Speaker 4: third string quarterback. And former Arizona State starting quarterback Jenna
Speaker 4: Rashata will be entering the transfer portal again.
Speaker 6: Oh really yes, wow, he was like the thirteen million
Speaker 6: dollar guy.
Speaker 4: It doesn't say why. I'm sure he's just looking for
Speaker 4: a fresh start. I believe the backup. How many fresh
Speaker 4: starts can you get nowadays? Yeah, you have a fresh
Speaker 4: start every day. Yeah. Former Boise State quarterback and former
Speaker 4: USC quarterback Malachai Nelson is committed to UTIP. The former
Speaker 4: number one overall recruit in the class of twenty twenty
Speaker 4: three really going to youtip? He chose El Paso. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you tip A little bit of surprised to me.
Speaker 6: How the fallen? How do you fall? Not that it's
Speaker 6: a bad place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, wait, you're telling me that l
Speaker 3: Pass was on part with l A. Is that what
Speaker 3: the argument that? Well, listen, I mean potatoes.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to knock out Pass. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And then quarterback recruit Jeron can We it was difficult
Speaker 4: last name to say.
Speaker 5: He's going back to Cal.
Speaker 4: He committed to Cal and initially went to Oregon, and
Speaker 4: now he's back with.
Speaker 5: The Golden Beers. Okay, so that's probably it right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so we won't talk about this, but I'll
Speaker 2: ask you on the other side of the next guest,
Speaker 2: and it's going to be about Antonio Pierce one and
Speaker 2: two the UA football team in a weird way because
Speaker 2: of your experience of having been a coach, having seen
Speaker 2: dugouts and and clubhouses and things like that, and the
Speaker 2: importance of chemistry and wanting to play for a guy
Speaker 2: that they don't like or whatever.
Speaker 5: Because it exists. I know it exists. I've seen it
Speaker 5: not exist or exists. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Either you play harder, you don't play hard, So there's
Speaker 2: always there's always border the story.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you were probably of that, so you really
Speaker 5: I did. I did have one more thing that I
Speaker 5: did miss. Obviously.
Speaker 4: College football playoffs happened over the break. I had a
Speaker 4: four games. Penn State did be Boys to stay in
Speaker 4: the Fiesta Bowl, Ohio State routed Oregon from the very
Speaker 4: jump in the Rose Bowl, and Texas want a bar
Speaker 4: and burner in Atlanta against Arizona State. And then one
Speaker 4: that was supposed to be played New Year's Day but
Speaker 4: was rescheduled due the tragic events in New Orleans.
Speaker 5: Notre Dame beat Georgio in New Orleans.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was the big one.
Speaker 5: That was a big, strange one. Do you where we
Speaker 5: gotta go?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll go talk to Memodinal talk about recruiting
Speaker 2: you a football and basketball and then come back and
Speaker 2: talk more about the other stuff on the other side.
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Speaker 1: Breaking down all the uses and os, This is I
Speaker 1: on the ball with Steve Rivera on Box Sports fourteen fifty.
Speaker 2: They that cos, hey, welcome back. That's why I in
Speaker 2: the ball U Fox fourteen fifty. I'm Siavera in with me.
Speaker 2: Today's we'll see this multitasking thing for you is becoming right.
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's let's do that one thing at a time.
Speaker 2: You have list is Steve, and thank you for having me.
Speaker 6: Yes, of course you cut on pretty quickly and noticing that.
Speaker 3: Straight for my wife thinks I have a T A
Speaker 3: A D T A D A d h D because
Speaker 3: I always have to be doing like seven different things right.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know why people don't because you see,
Speaker 2: especially people who white sports. Now you have all the scores,
Speaker 2: you know the ticker, and you know, you know phone
Speaker 2: calls and your text team blah blah blah.
Speaker 6: I'll call us. I'm just we're waiting for met but
Speaker 6: call us, call us.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we can talk more about the transfer portal.
Speaker 2: Have you been you following yea in all the lists
Speaker 2: because they just had an updated list, you guys may have,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 4: The latest update was the cornerback from West Virginia. I
Speaker 4: haven't seen the rankings yet.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 4: I didn't have the time to look at Twitter yet
Speaker 4: today or yeah, but as of right now, everything we've gotten,
Speaker 4: everything they have gotten from the train for portal is
Speaker 4: looking good on paper.
Speaker 5: Sure, sure, here we go.
Speaker 3: Do you get an offensive lemon from Georgia Tech?
Speaker 15: Right?
Speaker 3: I believe so?
Speaker 5: And they got one from Michigan too, But.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy who know is Matt Bno, he's on
Speaker 2: the phone, and Matt, how are you good?
Speaker 6: Thanks?
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time. We're gonna talk a lot
Speaker 2: about football, some about basketball.
Speaker 6: So what do you think?
Speaker 2: Uh? Is Arizona done with the transfer portal? What do
Speaker 2: you think?
Speaker 7: You know the answer to that, Steve?
Speaker 14: You know they're never done.
Speaker 7: You know, you don't know. The team has never done.
Speaker 7: The transport will never close. There's never any dead period.
Speaker 7: It's all ongoing at all times. It's tiring, but it's right. No,
Speaker 7: they're not done. Okay, okay, so long ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, so and in this time now, how would you
Speaker 2: assess what's going on?
Speaker 7: I think they've done pretty good. I mean it's really
Speaker 7: difficult to judge. I mean, it's just it's just how
Speaker 7: this process all works. And every program right now probably
Speaker 7: feels like they have a a good idea good handle
Speaker 7: of what they want and what they've added, and feel
Speaker 7: pretty good about the pieces they have in place. And
Speaker 7: I think it looks pretty good on paper, But for
Speaker 7: every program, you just don't know until you get those
Speaker 7: guys out there. I mean, we could have said the
Speaker 7: same thing last year that Arizona had a really strong
Speaker 7: offseason and added some really quality pieces, and it just
Speaker 7: didn't turn out that way. And so because this whole
Speaker 7: process is really counterintuitive and counter to kind of what
Speaker 7: we've known for many, many years. On the recruiting side,
Speaker 7: it's just too hard. It's just too difficult to tell
Speaker 7: and figure out exactly what it's going to look like,
Speaker 7: because sometimes you're taking some chances on some guys, some
Speaker 7: guys are moving up to the level, and you don't
Speaker 7: know if that production is going to carry over. But
Speaker 7: I think on paper it looks really good. I think
Speaker 7: they've done a really good job. I think they've adjusted
Speaker 7: our you know, attacks, kind of what they need to
Speaker 7: and really added some pieces to to fill some holes
Speaker 7: that they've had and address the needs. And I think
Speaker 7: that's been a big part of what they wanted to do.
Speaker 7: I think often and so bline wise, I'd probably say
Speaker 7: there's some improvements that we may I would still like
Speaker 7: to see them get another really talented offensive lineman has
Speaker 7: proven and has done some really good things, but those
Speaker 7: are difficult to find and every program wants those right now,
Speaker 7: and so I think if you take that into account,
Speaker 7: they've done some really good things. And one thing I
Speaker 7: will always rely on and something that I will always say,
Speaker 7: if you're going to air on one side over the other,
Speaker 7: I would very much air on the side of when
Speaker 7: you're talking about portal players, even high school guys, but
Speaker 7: portal players in particular, I would air on the side
Speaker 7: of production over potential, because at this point, you know,
Speaker 7: unless you're a first year guy, unless you're a freshman
Speaker 7: who just went in and just can get your shot
Speaker 7: this season, most of these guys kind of are who
Speaker 7: they are, and yes, a coaching staff feels like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I can change that guy, and I can be the
Speaker 7: one to develop him and take them to the next level,
Speaker 7: maybe realize some of that potential that everybody else saw.
Speaker 7: But right now, if you're taking players, I would lean
Speaker 7: towards taking players who have produced, and Arizona has a
Speaker 7: lot of those guys. And yes, they're going to be
Speaker 7: taking a step up in competition in a lot of cases.
Speaker 7: But man, a lot of these guys have really produced
Speaker 7: at their previous schools, and I think that they've hit
Speaker 7: a couple of home runs with with some of these
Speaker 7: guys that they've added from some of these smaller programs.
Speaker 3: Do you have the question about the Georgia Tech guy, Yeah,
Speaker 3: hey man, it's a blake eeger. Did did they pick
Speaker 3: up that offensive lineman from Georgia Tech as well?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Jordan Brown early on in the process. And so
Speaker 7: they've got it. A couple of guy who start, Yeah,
Speaker 7: they've got it. They've added a couple of guys who started,
Speaker 7: and that's that's definitely something to be aware of. But
Speaker 7: if you're losing a starter from a place like Georgia Tech,
Speaker 7: and you know, you're like, okay, what's the what's the
Speaker 7: question there? And the question is they're bringing in some
Speaker 7: guys and he probably wasn't gonna have to spot or
Speaker 7: he's gonna have to really battle.
Speaker 5: For his spot.
Speaker 7: And so someone like that I think has a lot
Speaker 7: of upside and there, and you've seen the production he started.
Speaker 7: That's a big deal. That's important Arezona needs those guys,
Speaker 7: and he's not probably one of the guys that I'm
Speaker 7: saying like, oh, maybe they have they took a chance
Speaker 7: on him. I think that's a that's a very solid
Speaker 7: pickup because you're picking up somebody who started at the
Speaker 7: power floor level in acs in school. Georgia Tech had
Speaker 7: prett good offensive line this year. So that's I don't
Speaker 7: think that's a reach by any means, am My soul.
Speaker 7: He's going to be you know, someone like Wendell Wendell Molly.
Speaker 7: Probably not, you know, that's that's a high level. But
Speaker 7: if you can add a few of those guys that
Speaker 7: have started and have you know, played some games and
Speaker 7: done some good things at other power forward schools, like
Speaker 7: that's not a bad addition at all. Again, I would
Speaker 7: like to see them kind of add somebody that you
Speaker 7: know is going to be a true like this guy
Speaker 7: is gonna you know what you're gonna get from every game.
Speaker 7: And so that's kind of the dance, the song and
Speaker 7: dance that these coaches stuff have to do. And you're
Speaker 7: battling and you're bagging on the programs, you're battling, and
Speaker 7: I always kind of part of this whole process as well,
Speaker 7: but you're trying to build relationships in a matter of
Speaker 7: days and so it's really difficult to get it right.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I think that you know, Jordan Brown is
Speaker 7: a is a solid pickup. I don't don't mean to
Speaker 7: kind of demean that anyway. I mean, you're obviously picking
Speaker 7: up someone who started, but I still would like to
Speaker 7: figure out exactly kind of what he brings to the
Speaker 7: table overall. And that's not something you're gonna see until
Speaker 7: he gets out there on the field. But I would
Speaker 7: count it as part of that group of solid pick
Speaker 7: ups for Arizona this offseason.
Speaker 3: Who maybe could you give me maybe one or two
Speaker 3: the best gets by them?
Speaker 7: And it's gonna be interesting because I think people are
Speaker 7: like their name, the names of their schools don't mean
Speaker 7: much to me, you know, as an Arizona family going
Speaker 7: uh And I've thought I've seen that like on social
Speaker 7: media when they picked up to these guys, they're like, oh,
Speaker 7: well he's coming from ex school that I kind of
Speaker 7: don't really pay attention to. But the running back Ismael
Speaker 7: Madi from Texas State produced every year was all American
Speaker 7: a couple of years ago, just a very very talented piece.
Speaker 7: I thought running back was one of those positions where
Speaker 7: Arizona really needed to address in a big way this offseason.
Speaker 7: They lost some guys you know, to both whatever the
Speaker 7: portal and you know, just losing their eligibility being done
Speaker 7: with you know, college, and so they needed to address that.
Speaker 7: And I think someone like that is exactly the type
Speaker 7: of player you're looking for if you're at the level
Speaker 7: of Arizona. You know, not everybody can be Oregon and
Speaker 7: Ohio State and some of these programs Tennessee and some
Speaker 7: of these other schools that have kind of unlimited nil pockets,
Speaker 7: you know, where they're competing for whoever they want. You
Speaker 7: have to be a little bit creative. You have to
Speaker 7: find some guys that uh maybe fell through the cracks
Speaker 7: of some other programs with something like that. I mean,
Speaker 7: Arizona's compete with Arkansas for is Melmody and you know
Speaker 7: that's an SEC program and so I think that was
Speaker 7: a very very strong pickup by the staff. If there's
Speaker 7: you know, a coach on the staff that I think
Speaker 7: you can bet will go toe to toe with any
Speaker 7: other program in the country and go head to head
Speaker 7: with any other coach in the country from recruits perspective
Speaker 7: as Alonzo Carter and so obviously that's his posion that
Speaker 7: he's recruiting, and you know, that's a that's a very
Speaker 7: quality pickup. And I think somebody again looking at production,
Speaker 7: that to me is like you can you can usually
Speaker 7: count on that, and based on just his numbers and
Speaker 7: they fell off a little bit this year, but based
Speaker 7: on his career numbers, you look at the player like
Speaker 7: him and he goes, he's gonna be able to do
Speaker 7: something for this team. And so I think that was
Speaker 7: a very very good pickup. Blake Gotcher from Northwestern State,
Speaker 7: I mean, was you know, one of the finals for
Speaker 7: you know, basically the SCS Heisman and you know, Defensive
Speaker 7: Player of the Year and really just put up some crazy, insane,
Speaker 7: gaudy numbers. They had over one hundred and sixty tackle
Speaker 7: this year, and again just peer production, you look at
Speaker 7: that and you go, that's somebody that can play, you know,
Speaker 7: at the powerful level, can really do some things. I
Speaker 7: think in this scheme and kind of base on what
Speaker 7: we've heard what they're going to be looking like this year,
Speaker 7: I think he's going to be somebody who benefits from that.
Speaker 7: And you know, you can throw them in that middle
Speaker 7: of that defense, and he's going to be a very
Speaker 7: very productive player. I really like what he brings to
Speaker 7: the table. I think it's it's really impressive. And I think, again,
Speaker 7: just going back to the point I've been making a lot,
Speaker 7: it's just the production. You look at that and you
Speaker 7: don't anticipate somebody going from one hundred and sixty tackles
Speaker 7: to like forty tackles, Like it's just just doesn't happen.
Speaker 7: And so he's probably going to be very highly productive,
Speaker 7: you know what Arizona, And so I think got somebody
Speaker 7: to get excited about. And then Chris Hutson, maybe on
Speaker 7: a different note, you know somebody who was at Washington State,
Speaker 7: you knows that organ before and you know, highly tied recruit,
Speaker 7: somebody that everybody knew coming out of high school, had
Speaker 7: to maybe take a little bit of a different path,
Speaker 7: but feels like a really nice fit for this offense.
Speaker 7: And you know, has one year at receiver, is gonna
Speaker 7: be able to kind of go out and show what
Speaker 7: he can, to prove what he can to NFL scouts,
Speaker 7: and you know that's obviously he's coming in with that
Speaker 7: goal like hey, I want to be featured in this
Speaker 7: offense and have an opportunity to show the next level
Speaker 7: what I can do. And kind of on that similar note,
Speaker 7: maybe my most my favorite guy in this class was
Speaker 7: the first one to commit from the tranch support of
Speaker 7: Luke Wisong for New Mexico. I'm sure it's been said.
Speaker 7: I know a lot of people are kind of having
Speaker 7: the same conversation, but he just feels like a perfect
Speaker 7: fit for what they're going to want to do offensively,
Speaker 7: you know, under the offensive coordinator. And I think it
Speaker 7: just it's kind of a perfect marriage of a player
Speaker 7: who produced that at a lower level, I guess you
Speaker 7: could say, but produce at a different school, and combining
Speaker 7: that with the system that I think is going to
Speaker 7: fit him very very well. I would be surprised if
Speaker 7: he doesn't put up big numbers at Arizona this upcoming season.
Speaker 2: Okay, did we this is a sorry, a dumb naive
Speaker 2: question for me. Did we ever figure out what's gonna
Speaker 2: come of the kid who came from New Mexico but
Speaker 2: only play a game or two?
Speaker 6: Is he done?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Point, I think it's just it's such it's such
Speaker 7: a it's such a confusing situation, and there are so
Speaker 7: many different elements to it, so many different things that
Speaker 7: kind of kept changing that I think it's at this point,
Speaker 7: you know, he declared for the draft. At this point,
Speaker 7: I wouldn't anticipate him coming back. I know, there's you know,
Speaker 7: things continue to change these I mean, junior college players
Speaker 7: are now getting an extra year and that wasn't known
Speaker 7: you know, a few weeks ago, and so or a
Speaker 7: month ago, and so a lot of things change, and
Speaker 7: so you can never say never, I guess, but I
Speaker 7: think at this point, the anticipation is that he won't
Speaker 7: be you know, he won't be playing at Arizona, and
Speaker 7: maybe he finds another way to get eligible at another program.
Speaker 7: But I was really unfortunate because you know, when when
Speaker 7: he was able to play for that brief moment, he
Speaker 7: was really good. He was really good, and so I
Speaker 7: think Arizona kind of showed why they paid so much
Speaker 7: attention to why they actively tried to figure that out,
Speaker 7: that situation out and see if they could get him eligible.
Speaker 7: But at this point, I just I wouldn't bank on
Speaker 7: him coming back. But it's it's unfortunate because he was
Speaker 7: a very very good player.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to talk
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 5: Can we just talked about one thing I want to
Speaker 5: ask for? Sorry? Man?
Speaker 3: So, I mean as a casual you have a football
Speaker 3: fan at best. My question is in this situation, how
Speaker 3: long do you get as a coach to establish culture
Speaker 3: and when you have to every single year recruit your
Speaker 3: own players and then recruit and then worry about trying
Speaker 3: to get guys out of the portal?
Speaker 5: Like how long?
Speaker 3: What is that? What does that time span? Do you think? Nowadays?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's honestly, it's kind of changing as as we speak,
Speaker 7: I think, and it all depends on on the administration
Speaker 7: and the support and obviously you know, the boosters at
Speaker 7: this point because NIL is such a big part of this.
Speaker 7: And obviously we're changing now this next you know, academic
Speaker 7: year into a different type of format where there's almost
Speaker 7: kind of a salary cap situation and play and so
Speaker 7: to speak, and so that is different too, And so
Speaker 7: there's so much change that it's really hard to kind
Speaker 7: of pinpoint any one time frame to be like, oh, yes,
Speaker 7: if a coach doesn't figure it out in this amount
Speaker 7: of time, you know he needs to go. But I
Speaker 7: used to be someone that was like, you have to
Speaker 7: give him four years. You have to give them a
Speaker 7: chance to go through, you know, four recruiting cycles, to
Speaker 7: really build a roster, really have an entire team that
Speaker 7: is their guys, to kind of determine if they're going
Speaker 7: to be good, if they're going to be the right
Speaker 7: man for the job. And I just don't think that's
Speaker 7: the case anymore. I think, you know, teams have shown
Speaker 7: that they can go from really bad to really good
Speaker 7: in this course of an off season, and so I
Speaker 7: think that's sped up. I still think you have to
Speaker 7: give a coach at least a couple of years. I'd
Speaker 7: probably Eric towards you know, three years. If you don't
Speaker 7: know by three, like year three, you know, that's that's
Speaker 7: the problem. And so that's probably the new timeline as
Speaker 7: opposed to, you know, kind of four years and going
Speaker 7: through an entire cycle, because you can go through this
Speaker 7: process so quickly and you can really change, you know,
Speaker 7: in the course of an offseason. Arizona could look a
Speaker 7: lot better, you know, this upcoming fall or next fall,
Speaker 7: I guess, and and you know, just because of what
Speaker 7: they did through the portal and what they did through
Speaker 7: recruiting and you know, more important to the portal because
Speaker 7: those guys are all going to come in and the
Speaker 7: expectations are all going to play. And so I think
Speaker 7: the timeline has definitely sped up, and programs are probably
Speaker 7: going to be less patient about, you know, turning around
Speaker 7: a program, especially a place like Arizona, where you had
Speaker 7: a ten win season, you know, in twenty twenty three
Speaker 7: and you had high expectations. Yes, you know, your head
Speaker 7: coach left, but you still had a lot of the
Speaker 7: pieces that were part of that team in play and
Speaker 7: in place, and so I think you have some different expectations,
Speaker 7: you know, if you're out of place like Arizona, if
Speaker 7: you're an Arizona family, you go, hey, we know what,
Speaker 7: how how can kind of come together? And now you
Speaker 7: have this whole idea of the portal and and how
Speaker 7: how much a roster can change over the course of
Speaker 7: weeks and you know, as opposed to years, and I
Speaker 7: think you have to maybe look at it a little
Speaker 7: bit differently. But I still think you have to give
Speaker 7: a coach a couple a couple of recruiting cycles at
Speaker 7: the very least, but probably like three years if you
Speaker 7: don't know in three years, it's probably an issue and
Speaker 7: you should kind of want to know in that time
Speaker 7: frame to decide what you're going to do.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, I'm going to ask a you know,
Speaker 3: a difficult question from our standpoint as a fan, the expectation,
Speaker 3: what is our expectation as because you brought up expectation
Speaker 3: a couple of times? What's our expectation from a fans
Speaker 3: standpoint for you of a football Should we be an
Speaker 3: annual bowl team, an annual top twenty five or should what?
Speaker 3: What where should our expectations be with a program moving forward?
Speaker 3: How lou wait, wait, wait before you answer that, is
Speaker 3: that too our No? No, no, no, We'll have been
Speaker 3: your expectations for the last forty years. Yeah, I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm a Tony guy. I mean I was very fortunate
Speaker 3: enough to not Tony later on in life as well.
Speaker 3: So like our my expectation is always going to be
Speaker 3: that where we're a top twenty five team one out
Speaker 3: of every three years, and where we're we're competing for a.
Speaker 5: Bowl every year.
Speaker 3: I think, Okay, is that is that a wrong viewpoint
Speaker 3: or is that just me say I was.
Speaker 7: Probably gonna go even part of that going like there's
Speaker 7: no reason to be there is, and it can't be
Speaker 7: you know, a top thirty five team every year. I mean,
Speaker 7: it feels like they have all the pieces in place.
Speaker 7: I think there's enough in terms of nil and you know,
Speaker 7: appeal for the program that that you know, you can build,
Speaker 7: you know, a top thirty five program and if you
Speaker 7: I've always kind of talked about that with them in
Speaker 7: terms of the recruiting rankings and you can kind of
Speaker 7: carry that over into you know, the current world and
Speaker 7: you know what we're.
Speaker 14: Living in now.
Speaker 7: But if you can have a program that's you know,
Speaker 7: finishing top thirty five, even if you're number thirty five
Speaker 7: every year in the recruiting rankings, you're going to be
Speaker 7: in position to regularly win ten games and compete for
Speaker 7: conference titles. And that's kind of where most programs want
Speaker 7: to live. You know. Again, not everybody is able to
Speaker 7: compete for a college football payoff, and you hope that
Speaker 7: you can make you know, a run like that every
Speaker 7: ten years or so or whatever it is. That's kind
Speaker 7: of the reality. I know that's not what fans want
Speaker 7: to hear, but that's kind of the reality is you'd hope,
Speaker 7: you know, once every ten years you can kind of
Speaker 7: make a deep, deep run. But I don't think there's
Speaker 7: anything holding back Arizona from being kind of a top
Speaker 7: thirty five, maybe top forty team. But I really think
Speaker 7: top thirty five is realistic for you know, what they
Speaker 7: have on board, the support they have, where they're located,
Speaker 7: the conference, all those things. I think you can take
Speaker 7: that into account. I don't think there's any reason to
Speaker 7: believe that they can't be that now. Achieving that as
Speaker 7: a different story. And that's what I think Seas alluding
Speaker 7: to a little bit is that, you know, there's been
Speaker 7: a lot of programs, there are a lot of teams
Speaker 7: that have come to the program that you go there,
Speaker 7: they are you know, they have high expectations. You're expecting
Speaker 7: to be, you know, a top team, you know, year
Speaker 7: and a year out, and it just doesn't happen. And
Speaker 7: so you know, I've realizing that versus kind of what
Speaker 7: they could be are two different things. But I don't
Speaker 7: think there's anything holding them back from being a program
Speaker 7: that competes to be in the top twenty five every year.
Speaker 7: It's just a matter of kind of making that happen
Speaker 7: and figuring out all the right pieces to make that happen.
Speaker 2: Well, wait, okay, we got to go on that. You
Speaker 2: said top twenty five, right, top twenty five five, and
Speaker 2: you said thirty five a couple of.
Speaker 3: Time, thirty five, Yeah, thirty five. Okay, so yeah, thirty five.
Speaker 3: But when you're thirty five, it's like finished second in
Speaker 3: a poker game.
Speaker 5: You lost.
Speaker 7: Hey, thirty five is better than seventy.
Speaker 3: See, yeah, you're absolutely right on that. Well, you're not
Speaker 3: a seventy.
Speaker 2: You should never be a seventy program, even though though
Speaker 2: maybe this year you were. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: There was one I guess, could I guess? I guess
Speaker 2: maybe I'm being too tough as always?
Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Matt, Yeah, absolutely, thank thanks.
Speaker 6: Thanks.
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Speaker 1: Tucson Sports station Fox Sports Sports em Biddy, Hey.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to one of the ball hero Fox Sports
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Speaker 3: You're blaky. You're from the Southern Arizona Sports Tourism and
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Speaker 3: here mises, thank you, mister good shoes.
Speaker 6: I like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Oh I tell my my Hispanic friends that
Speaker 3: with their moms are love.
Speaker 6: Is free.
Speaker 2: See yeah. Okay, Hey, hey, so, so I want to
Speaker 2: talk about Peerce you a former coach.
Speaker 5: How long did you coach up until it's like two
Speaker 5: years ago?
Speaker 2: Okay, so a while. You have some experience and you played,
Speaker 2: so you know both heads. So you're talking about Peers
Speaker 2: coming back or whatever. I'm a firm believer, firm believer.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure there's an exception or two that I
Speaker 2: may or may not know that once you hire the
Speaker 2: assist once you hire the substitute teacher, things change. It's
Speaker 2: very difficult to win for the substitute teacher. And in
Speaker 2: the case of Peers, whether he's a good coach or not,
Speaker 2: I do not know, but it's hard to hire the
Speaker 2: assistant who kind of interim guy comes in and then
Speaker 2: does even though you played really well at the end
Speaker 2: of the season, we've got to give it the job
Speaker 2: because you're playing. It doesn't work. It just doesn't work.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you feel about that. You've probably
Speaker 2: seen it work or not, but in my mind, I've
Speaker 2: rarely seen it work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well, there's a couple of different circumstances
Speaker 3: you can point to that it's really successful. You're looking
Speaker 3: at Murphy with the Milwaukee Burgers taking over for counsel
Speaker 3: and assistant coach role and they, I mean, the Brewers
Speaker 3: went to the playoffs last year, so that's successful. I
Speaker 3: think you have to give uh. I think you have
Speaker 3: to give pairs of the opportunity. After the end of
Speaker 3: the season last year with Las Vegas because he did
Speaker 3: so well. But the dynamic, though, with me, it's to me,
Speaker 3: it's an assistant, it's a substitute teacher.
Speaker 2: Coming in, and the respect is different. It's different as
Speaker 2: a substitute that you come into the seat now and
Speaker 2: you think you're not the assistant anymore.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. The dynamic changes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can understand that.
Speaker 3: I think it. I think the bigger question to me
Speaker 3: is like, and that's why I was asking Matt earlier,
Speaker 3: is that, what's the change of your culture compared to
Speaker 3: the head coach And how much did that head coach
Speaker 3: control everything where it wouldn't give you a voice.
Speaker 5: Maybe that's a.
Speaker 3: Little bit difficult, but uh, yeah, the substitute teacher. I
Speaker 3: don't know if I wouldn't make that jump, but I
Speaker 3: can understand where that jump comes from.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you've seen it. I've seen it in your
Speaker 6: day to day back in the day.
Speaker 3: We've never got we've never had a coach fired or
Speaker 3: let go like mid season and had somebody brought in.
Speaker 3: I seen it just from a playing standpoint. We might
Speaker 3: have had it once. But it's yeah, it's difficult because
Speaker 3: now you know it also depends on how that clubhouse
Speaker 3: is going. Right, So if you have you have a
Speaker 3: distracted clubhouse, that head coach has to go. You've you've
Speaker 3: lost the clubhouse, like you're not going to get that back,
Speaker 3: and then you've lost the vets, right, who are leading
Speaker 3: the internal So maybe those vets are going to the
Speaker 3: assistant coach saying like, hey, or the GM whoever may be, like,
Speaker 3: we would play for that guy. We would, and maybe
Speaker 3: that's what they did in Vegas. That's my understanding, is
Speaker 3: that's what they did in Vegas, right the first time? Yeah,
Speaker 3: last year? Yeah, I mean, that guy's been through it,
Speaker 3: he knows how to do it. We want to play
Speaker 3: for him and listen to him. But then once you
Speaker 3: actually get that position right, you're not That's another thing
Speaker 3: about that guy. You don't know you're not that guy anymore.
Speaker 3: So you're not the guy that's in the clubhouse having
Speaker 3: those conversations. You're the manager. You've got to oversee all
Speaker 3: these aspects. It's a different role. So if you don't
Speaker 3: have that second command now to take over for you,
Speaker 3: you're you're moving in a different direction.
Speaker 6: Your role is different.
Speaker 2: Before you might have been the guy who you know, Hey,
Speaker 2: everything's gonna be like you put your armor around his
Speaker 2: shoulders and everything's gonna be okay, you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 6: The head guy is whoever it is.
Speaker 2: And then now a few months later, you're that guy
Speaker 2: who you're no longer put in the arm around and
Speaker 2: you can't, right, you can't. There's not a good cop,
Speaker 2: bad cop, but it's kind of a good cup back cop.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at what's happening in Miami, right, I
Speaker 3: mean that I think that's a good cop, good cop
Speaker 3: that's not working out currently. And obviously you can point
Speaker 3: to the injuries, right, I mean two is not gonna play. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, but that I mean it's just that system
Speaker 3: right now is a little bit broken, and it's good cop,
Speaker 3: good cop. There's no bad cop there, right, So it's
Speaker 3: it's how people can step into that role. Pete Carroll's
Speaker 3: a I think a really good example of playing good
Speaker 3: cop like that guy was you know, the let's go
Speaker 3: surfing after the game and let's hang out, and it
Speaker 3: worked for the culture that he had.
Speaker 5: But you know, it's just different.
Speaker 3: You're talking about you a c or Seattle are both
Speaker 3: both until until what until it didn't well, I mean,
Speaker 3: there were some mistakes made there and that you can
Speaker 3: definitely point to, like you're not giving Marsharn Lench the ball.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's going to divide the clubhouse exactly. Well,
Speaker 2: this isn't the guy I thought he was. Yeah whatever, Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: So no, let's kind of apply that to football.
Speaker 6: You you watch it. You watch more basketball than you
Speaker 6: do football.
Speaker 3: Right, So, I mean, wait, we're talking college basketball coach,
Speaker 3: I mean talking about you.
Speaker 2: So, so everyone who listens to the show knows that
Speaker 2: I've always said from the first three weeks there was
Speaker 2: some disconnect between the players and the coach, that the
Speaker 2: guys that he had inherited or whomever just didn't play
Speaker 2: hard for him or whatever. I don't know what the
Speaker 2: disconnect was, just my philosophy or more observation. It happens
Speaker 2: correct where you have a new coach coming in and
Speaker 2: the players who aren't his players kind of the saale,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I mean, especially now, right, it's
Speaker 3: a it's a question of how much effort am I
Speaker 3: going to give. I don't trust this guy, he doesn't
Speaker 3: trust me. We haven't had good interactions.
Speaker 5: I don't know. What a system for all those reasons.
Speaker 3: Yes, you're you have all these questions that you're trying,
Speaker 3: like this guy didn't College is a weird world. This
Speaker 3: guy didn't recruit me. I don't know, even with all
Speaker 3: this stuff, yeah, even without without this. So, I mean
Speaker 3: one of the best advices that the best advice I
Speaker 3: ever got was that you're not always playing for the
Speaker 3: team you're with. You're playing for the other twenty nine teams.
Speaker 3: Right in college football, you're playing for I don't know,
Speaker 3: one hundred other teams potentially for an IL. So it
Speaker 3: shouldn't be that circumstance. You should be out there performing.
Speaker 3: But that clubhouse culture aspect, no question. I mean, why
Speaker 3: are those guys why do they give it? You know,
Speaker 3: why do they care? If they're they're going to leave
Speaker 3: the next year anyway, So he's not gonna sit me.
Speaker 3: I'm a star player. What's the point of me buying
Speaker 3: into the system?
Speaker 5: Those are?
Speaker 4: That's that can be the mentality? Yeah, your thoughts, I mean,
Speaker 4: I think you shaid everything on point. It's very hard
Speaker 4: to get players to buy in nowadays because of the money,
Speaker 4: because there's so many options out there. Maybe I don't
Speaker 4: want to say experienced it, but I did get a
Speaker 4: really short chance at being a coach in high school
Speaker 4: as a as a manager my old high school or
Speaker 4: the high school coach kind of gave up on this season.
Speaker 4: He said, you know what, you run this next practice.
Speaker 4: I said, okay, Well, we ended up winning the next game.
Speaker 4: But this typically happens.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And.
Speaker 4: Even even just that moment, I could see some of
Speaker 4: the some of the freshmen, they're they're there to get
Speaker 4: the the pe credit, you know, and it's pretty obvious.
Speaker 4: So it's hard to get them to go through a
Speaker 4: whole season like, hey, there's still people here trying to win,
Speaker 4: trying to get better, even though you're just here to
Speaker 4: be here.
Speaker 6: Right. It's funny.
Speaker 2: I saw something yesterday. I think it was a Calipari
Speaker 2: thing with Arkansas. I've never thought of him as a
Speaker 2: good coach. He gets great players and he kind of
Speaker 2: lets him play blah blah blah. But now in this
Speaker 2: age of pay, if you're getting paid blake, what's he
Speaker 2: instead of the play hard, you're getting paid.
Speaker 3: I think the programs at that level your incentives to
Speaker 3: play at the next level.
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, sometimes you're getting paid more here than
Speaker 2: you're going to be paid.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're you heard, I mean Rob Gronkowski talk
Speaker 3: about rookies getting you know, less money than high school
Speaker 3: I mean college juniors and seniors or even you know,
Speaker 3: freshman at this point. Uh, that incent you listen, it's
Speaker 3: it's a burning desire inside that athlete. And I think
Speaker 3: as a coach, you recruit that along with the money.
Speaker 3: And you're you're right, go ahead, No, no, no, you're
Speaker 3: you're exactly thinking what I'm thinking. So from a Calipari standpoint,
Speaker 3: I would agree with you. I've never thought he was
Speaker 3: the greatest coach. I think he's the best recruiter arguably
Speaker 3: ever in college basketball. But you have to have this
Speaker 3: mix now where you have you have high paid players,
Speaker 3: and you have to have the other players buy into
Speaker 3: the system when those players are making more money.
Speaker 5: Than you want.
Speaker 2: So to my point of did you listen to the
Speaker 2: or have you listen to the Lopez stuff and the
Speaker 2: the the one, twos, threes and fours? Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, And that's what you're talking about ones?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yea.
Speaker 2: Once you recruit the ones, yeah, uh, and you you
Speaker 2: hope you get a bunch of threes. You don't want the.
Speaker 3: Two because the twos are going to cause problems because
Speaker 3: they're not a one and they think they are.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you did listen, you did, I know?
Speaker 5: And what should be?
Speaker 2: That's fantastically brilliant because the two's are I think they're
Speaker 2: they're the wide receivers.
Speaker 14: Throw the ball.
Speaker 5: Throw the ball because you getting the ball to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well we were, you know, we were talking
Speaker 3: about earlier and I want to bring it up at
Speaker 3: the coaching carousel right now. It's it's mind blowing to me,
Speaker 3: like I related to the Premier League. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you guys watched soccer at all, but it's it's
Speaker 3: the same thing, NFL, same thing, right, So, but it's
Speaker 3: you're rebranding the same product. Like why for my question,
Speaker 3: why would you want to interview Mike McCarthy, Like you
Speaker 3: you know his brand, His brand has not changed, So
Speaker 3: why are you why are you going back? And just
Speaker 3: it's just the same thing. You know what he's going
Speaker 3: to provide, know what he's going to provide you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: well it's it's incestuous at that, Yeah, which makes no sense.
Speaker 3: All you have the experience and all that. Okay, but
Speaker 3: here's the resume. What impresses you about the resume. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know that's a good point. I mean you look
Speaker 3: at guys like Dan Campbell now where I mean, even
Speaker 3: if you're just a casual football fan like it's I mean,
Speaker 3: thankfully i'm not, But I mean watching guys like that
Speaker 3: coach like I'm inspired, Like I would go right now,
Speaker 3: I would go get my hip blown out for that guy.
Speaker 3: And it would take one hit by you know, the
Speaker 3: punter could run into me and I'm breaking hips out there.
Speaker 2: Well, here you go, because because now he set the
Speaker 2: standard of what you're looking for in a coach. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: Not everybody's like that, No, and there are a few.
Speaker 2: And now you know I'm older. Now you're still young, dude.
Speaker 2: But now the trend is going young and going to
Speaker 2: people who can relate to as they say, you know,
Speaker 2: learnegus of the college world and the benets don't want
Speaker 2: any part of it. But you know, going younger seems
Speaker 2: to be the thing because they know how to handle
Speaker 2: the kids today.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see how that works. Sometimes it doesn't, No,
Speaker 3: it doesn't. And I mean the mind blowing thing to me.
Speaker 3: You look at like the Steelers, right, They've had three
Speaker 3: head coaches since nineteen sixty nine. Like, that's crazy. You're
Speaker 3: not going to see that ever again? Right, what's the standard?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 3: What's the expectations? And that's why I was asking man
Speaker 3: for a guy like b at u of A, like,
Speaker 3: what's expectation? There is your expectation to be a top
Speaker 3: forty team every year. And if you meet that standard,
Speaker 3: is that it?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 2: You Pittsburgh's a perfect example. Yeah, they're they're they're mediocre
Speaker 2: to good, yeah, media to good. And there have always
Speaker 2: been that since the good old days when they were
Speaker 2: really good, obviously very good.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now now is the standard going ten and eight and
Speaker 2: making the playoffs and then losing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I mean you're getting into the playoffs.
Speaker 5: I guess anything can happen.
Speaker 3: That's why I was saying earlier, like the biggest surprise
Speaker 3: to me this season is Cincinnati because I think they're
Speaker 3: arguably in the top five teams right now in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Well they were major yeah defensively right, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: you started off the season one to five, yeah, and
Speaker 3: then when the last five yeah, whatever, okay, we got
Speaker 3: to go all right, that was quick.
Speaker 6: Thanks for coming in.
Speaker 2: Is that in?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: We talked about a little bit of the WBC before
Speaker 3: we hang up. Oh yeah, sure, sorry, I just I mean,
Speaker 3: unless you want to have me back. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 3: you're coming back a few times. Yeah, so I mean,
Speaker 3: I listen. We're really fortunate we went down the way
Speaker 3: with spring training in professional baseball for long, but to
Speaker 3: have Major League Baseball players playing meaningful games in March
Speaker 3: in Tucson, that hasn't happened since two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: And I'm just saying this. It's an experience that I
Speaker 3: think everybody should experience. But it also sets us up
Speaker 3: along with things like the Mexican Baseball Festa, to bring
Speaker 3: professional baseball back and keep at the standard, and something
Speaker 3: that I'll hopefully be able to tell you about sooner
Speaker 3: rather than later. Yeah, for twenty twenty, so you'll come
Speaker 3: back a few times before the March deadline. So yeah,
Speaker 3: hopefully a great thanks there we go one. Thank you, Steve,
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 8: Yes,