Speaker 1: It's nice side with Dan Rays Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, well, guy Manilla used to do a program
Speaker 2: called calling All Sports. This is not calling all sports.
Speaker 2: But we are going to talk football. We're gonna talk Patriots,
Speaker 2: are gonna talk specifically the dismissal today of Patriots head
Speaker 2: coach Gerard Mayo. I must tell you that I was
Speaker 2: very disappointed today when I saw that. I know that
Speaker 2: all of the smart people, the people in the stands
Speaker 2: are yelling and screaming fire Mayo and all of that,
Speaker 2: and it's it's really interesting. This guy was given one
Speaker 2: year of a team that was the shell of what
Speaker 2: it used to be when it had Brady and Edelman,
Speaker 2: Edelman and Gronkowski and all of those great players, the
Speaker 2: mccordy's and all those guys were gone, gone, and he
Speaker 2: inherited this team that Belichick had had a bad season
Speaker 2: last year four and thirteen, and they had another bad season,
Speaker 2: but but they they had a quarterback who took a
Speaker 2: year to develop, Drake may and they maybe now have
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks with Joe Milton, and I just I'd like
Speaker 2: to throw it open. I have some comments which might
Speaker 2: cause some concerns on my upset. Some of you but
Speaker 2: let's let's have at it. Okay, Bob Kraft, who's been
Speaker 2: running this team for a long time. I watched him
Speaker 2: tonight on Channel five newscast and they u some excerpts.
Speaker 2: I missed his news conference today at one o'clock and
Speaker 2: the Craft, to his credit, manned up and basically said
Speaker 2: that he did not take any joy in getting rid
Speaker 2: of Gerrod Mayo. So let's first of all, hear from
Speaker 2: Bob Kraft. We have not heard from Mayo yet. We
Speaker 2: heard from Mayo after the game yesterday, and it looked
Speaker 2: to me when I watched the post game on TV
Speaker 2: thirty eight with Steve, with our pal Steve Burton and
Speaker 2: Christian Fourier and Scott Zolac, it looked to me as
Speaker 2: if he knew, he knew that his time was up,
Speaker 2: and he did not want to engage. And I don't
Speaker 2: know when we'll hear from Mayo. I'm sure he is
Speaker 2: going to keep quiet, keep a little profile for at
Speaker 2: least a few days, but at some point someone will
Speaker 2: get and probably Steve Burton, who is well connected with
Speaker 2: of all the sports reporters in town, the most well
Speaker 2: connected sports reporter I think, and certainly the one with
Speaker 2: the longest tenure going going back to his to his
Speaker 2: dad who played for the Patriots, or the great Ron Burton. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Bob Kraft today, let's hear a little bit from Bob
Speaker 2: Kraft talking about this, this decision that Craft said he
Speaker 2: went back and forth on. This is cut thirty three.
Speaker 2: Bob Kraft today on the firing, the dismissal of Roid Mayo.
Speaker 3: I don't like losing. I don't like losing the way
Speaker 3: we lost, and just things we're not developing the way
Speaker 3: we would have liked, and it was time to move on.
Speaker 2: Kind of cold, but that's okay. He Craft, to some
Speaker 2: extent took responsibility for Jirod Mayo's four and thirteen record,
Speaker 2: basically say saying in effect that that Craft had put
Speaker 2: Mayo kind of in a no win situation. Cut number
Speaker 2: thirty four up.
Speaker 3: It was very hard because the personal relationship I feel
Speaker 3: for Girod and and the human being he is, and
Speaker 3: I felt guilty I put him in that position.
Speaker 4: But we're moving on.
Speaker 2: We're moving on. That's what That's what they always say.
Speaker 2: We're going in a different direction.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: He You know, Bob Craft loves to fashion himself, which
Speaker 2: is true. That first and foremost before owning the team,
Speaker 2: he was a fan of the team, and he had
Speaker 2: season tickets in the old Foxborough Stadium, Schaefer Stadium, Sullivan Stadium,
Speaker 2: with so many different incarnations. And I'm sure that Bob
Speaker 2: Kraft went to Patriots games at Fenway Park and Harvard Stadium,
Speaker 2: and bu Field, Dickerson Field, and Alumni Stadium in Boston College.
Speaker 2: Those are all the different places the Patriots had played
Speaker 2: over the years. And remember there was one point when
Speaker 2: Craft had thought about moving the team to Hartford, Connecticut.
Speaker 2: That was little bit of I think he admitted later
Speaker 2: on was a bluff, but he emphasized that he's a
Speaker 2: fan and he somehow wants to get a coach that
Speaker 2: will get the Patriots back to the playoffs and championships.
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you that in the National Football League,
Speaker 2: which prides itself on parody, you've heard the phrase on
Speaker 2: any given Sunday. I mean, yesterday, Kansas City was blown
Speaker 2: out in their game seventeen. Obviously they sat all of
Speaker 2: their regulars. Kansas City will be I assume playing against
Speaker 2: Buffalo for the AFC Championship game at some point for
Speaker 2: the right to go to the super Bowl. But Craft
Speaker 2: again talking about getting back, it's not that easy, and
Speaker 2: he should know that it's going to take a while.
Speaker 2: It'll take it'll take a few years because when a
Speaker 2: team like the Patriots, which were at the top of
Speaker 2: their game for twenty years, once all those players aged
Speaker 2: aged out and coach Belichick went away, they got to
Speaker 2: retool the entire organization. And any Patriot fan who thinks
Speaker 2: they're going to be back in the super Bowl in
Speaker 2: the next couple of years, I think you're dreaming. I
Speaker 2: think you're dreaming. But this is Bob Kraft cut thirty
Speaker 2: five are up in the end.
Speaker 4: I'm a fan of this team first, and now I
Speaker 4: have to go out and find a coach who can
Speaker 4: guess get us back to the playoffs and hopefully championships.
Speaker 2: Well, it would appear that the odds on favorite is
Speaker 2: Mike Frabel, who might be a great coach for the Patriots.
Speaker 2: Patriots Hall of famer, who has coaching experience at Tennessee
Speaker 2: spent this year, I believe, as a consultant with the
Speaker 2: Browns and interviewed with the Jets last week. If they're
Speaker 2: going to make a move Unvaibel, if he's the guy.
Speaker 2: They need to let him know of their interest. Last
Speaker 2: SoundBite from Bob Craft on the difficulty of firing Girod Mayo. Again,
Speaker 2: I suspect that there was a personal relationship. I'm sure
Speaker 2: you read Dean Shaughnessy's piece about the relationship. Not a
Speaker 2: father son relationship, but a pretty good relationship between the
Speaker 2: former player and the owner of the team, which was
Speaker 2: I guess in many ways crafted pardon the pun, there
Speaker 2: on a trip that they took to Israel several years ago.
Speaker 2: This is cutt number thirty six on the difficulty of
Speaker 2: firing Gerrod Mayo.
Speaker 3: Was one of the more difficult things I've had to
Speaker 3: do in my life because I had such affection for him,
Speaker 3: and I believe in him, and I really do believe
Speaker 3: he will go on and as he gets more experience,
Speaker 3: it will be successful.
Speaker 2: Wellly slipped there is. I had so much affection for him,
Speaker 2: I would have hoped you would have been present tense
Speaker 2: have much much affection for him. Okay, I want to
Speaker 2: talk about the Patriots fans. Look, if you're a fan
Speaker 2: of a team, you can say whatever you want. But
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of football fans feel almost
Speaker 2: too invested and you know, to be screaming for Mayo's
Speaker 2: head because the team is losing. Did they not realize
Speaker 2: that every game in the NFL and every game in
Speaker 2: professional sports team and a losing team, And maybe they've
Speaker 2: gotten spoiled by twenty great years and six champions you know,
Speaker 2: six Super Bowl championships. If you're a Patriots fan, I'd
Speaker 2: love to know what you think. And if you want
Speaker 2: to give me a name out of the blue of
Speaker 2: someone who you think would be a great coach, that's
Speaker 2: fine too. Again, this is not calling all sports, and
Speaker 2: we normally don't talk a lot about sports hero at nightside,
Speaker 2: although I love sports, and I did go to one
Speaker 2: Patriots game this year, game that they played against the Dolphins,
Speaker 2: and they lost, and both teams looked horrible that day.
Speaker 2: But just let's open up the phone lines, see what
Speaker 2: you want to say. What do you think? Does it
Speaker 2: really make a big difference in your life one who
Speaker 2: the coach of the Patriots is and does it make
Speaker 2: a big difference in your life as to whether or
Speaker 2: not the Patriots are in the playoffs or for that matter,
Speaker 2: whether they go to the Super I've had the good
Speaker 2: fortune of going to two Patriot Super Bowls one in
Speaker 2: Houston and one in Indianapolis. One Day one when they
Speaker 2: beat the Rams, and one day lost when they lost
Speaker 2: to the Giants in Indianapolis. But I'm not a season
Speaker 2: ticket holder. I ye know, I loved I love to
Speaker 2: watch the games on TV. You may know more about
Speaker 2: him than I do, so I'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one
Speaker 2: seven nine three one ten thirty. And if you are,
Speaker 2: you know, a casual fan, what did girod Mayo get
Speaker 2: a fair shake? I don't think he did. And I
Speaker 2: wish that Bob Kraft had stood up and said, look,
Speaker 2: he's my guy. I picked him a year ago and
Speaker 2: I'm going to stick with him. And it's going to
Speaker 2: be a couple of tough years here, but we'll build
Speaker 2: this team back. That's what I wish had happened. But
Speaker 2: I suspect most of you would disagree with that, So
Speaker 2: feel free to bring it on. We could have a
Speaker 2: fun conversation. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
Speaker 2: six one seven nine three one ten thirty. My name
Speaker 2: is Dan Ray, And in memory of Gouy Middllerwood Calling
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Speaker 1: Now, back to Dan Ray live from the window World
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Speaker 2: All right. Not often do we deep dive into sports.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Rachel in Quincy. See what Rachel
Speaker 2: thinks about the way in which Gerard Mayo's one year
Speaker 2: as head coach of other Patriots came to an end. Hi, Rachel,
Speaker 2: how are you?
Speaker 5: I'm doing okay?
Speaker 6: Thanks San? How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine? So what'd you think about the dismissal?
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no other firing of Girard Mayo. I'm
Speaker 2: not happy about it.
Speaker 5: No, I am not either, And so I don't know
Speaker 5: if I'm calling what is being called as devil advocate
Speaker 5: or whatever. But the whole thing is, so we get
Speaker 5: these amazing football players.
Speaker 6: That come in and yes, you're welcome into the Patriot life,
Speaker 6: but part of that life is just not on the field.
Speaker 7: It is a whole.
Speaker 5: There's so many kids that look up to you, and
Speaker 5: we've had issues. We know yep, you get pulled over
Speaker 5: drinking and driving, You do this, you do that.
Speaker 7: That's part of.
Speaker 5: What I don't Belichick did do Instill is like, this
Speaker 5: is what you're gonna do and you're not gonna do this,
Speaker 5: You're not gonna do that, You're not gonna do Just
Speaker 5: do your job.
Speaker 6: And understand that there is young kids looking up to
Speaker 6: you to be educated, not going out playing.
Speaker 5: And I don't know, you know, the whole thing about me,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 8: It's tough.
Speaker 6: It's tough love.
Speaker 5: It's like, yep, you're doing this and you're doing that,
Speaker 5: and this is what you're going to do.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: The Patriots did have a couple of guys who were
Speaker 2: in into trouble this year with their behavior off the field.
Speaker 2: No need for us to dwell on that, but clearly,
Speaker 2: if you're playing for the New England Patriots, at least
Speaker 2: when Belichick was there, there might have been some of
Speaker 2: that occasionally, but I think there was a little bit
Speaker 2: more of it this year and it impacted. It impacted
Speaker 2: the team because at least one player was suspended for
Speaker 2: several weeks and I think he's he's done for the year.
Speaker 2: There was another player who was stopped at Logan Airport,
Speaker 2: had a gun in his possession trying to get an airplane.
Speaker 2: And you know a lot of these guys, they're spent.
Speaker 2: They treated a special in a special way from the
Speaker 2: time they're they're ten and twelve years old, because people say, oh,
Speaker 2: he's going to be a good athlete, so you know
Speaker 2: they've that's that's a part of that may be part
Speaker 2: of the problem, but that isn't what what sank mail.
Speaker 2: I think what sank Mayo was the fans were pretty upset,
Speaker 2: and and I look at the fans and it's like, look,
Speaker 2: you know, you're none of you are owners, you're you're
Speaker 2: you pay your tickets to go to the game. I
Speaker 2: just think it's a little unfair to uh to to
Speaker 2: try to get someone fired in their first year. I mean,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people who are yelling and
Speaker 2: screaming for that.
Speaker 8: At Gillette Stadium, So so you know what my thing is, right,
Speaker 8: but screaming in whatever, no, no, come on, come on.
Speaker 5: It has to do with the players. They're the ones
Speaker 5: that are supposed to do their job.
Speaker 8: They're the ones they do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're doing They're doing their job against other equally
Speaker 2: talented and sometimes more talented players. So yeah, what can
Speaker 2: I say? Uh hill uh so, but you know, you
Speaker 2: agree with me, you think that he should have been
Speaker 2: given a little bit of a longer, longer time than
Speaker 2: the job to prove himself.
Speaker 5: I do, because from what I'm just seeing, he was
Speaker 5: defensive coach. I mean, you know the offense.
Speaker 7: My thing is he was Rachel, Rachel, Rachel.
Speaker 2: He's got a defensive coordinator, he's got an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: He's the head coach. So yeah, he is one of
Speaker 2: those positions where the buck stops there. Rachel. I thank
Speaker 2: you if you call him. Want to try to get
Speaker 2: one more in here before we got to go to
Speaker 2: the break?
Speaker 8: Okay, okay, Sean, take care.
Speaker 2: Thanks for getting this go on, Rachel. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Matter of fact, I don't want to short change Tom
Speaker 2: and Lynn. So Tom, you stay right there, get you
Speaker 2: right up after the news if you'd like to join
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Speaker 2: Did he kind of get a short straw here? I
Speaker 2: think he did. Now, I know some of the Patriot
Speaker 2: fans out there, if you're listening, if you're a regular
Speaker 2: sports talk show, you want to jump on and tell
Speaker 2: me what a knucklehead I am. That's fine, but I
Speaker 2: think the guy deserved more than a year to basically
Speaker 2: put his own brand on the team. He inherited a team.
Speaker 2: Other people were involved in the in the drafting of
Speaker 2: the players, and frankly, the Patriots have They had some injuries,
Speaker 2: they had some players who ran into legal trouble this year. Now,
Speaker 2: if you want to, I guess blame him for that.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's fair. But I think he was
Speaker 2: a victim of a bunch of circumstances and I wish
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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, so we're talking about the dismissal, the firing,
Speaker 2: whatever word you want to use of Gerard Mayo. I
Speaker 2: think it was unfair. I think that an NFL coach
Speaker 2: needs more than a year to put his his mark
Speaker 2: on a team. Uh, you can agree or disagree. Let
Speaker 2: me go next to Thomas in Win. Hey, Tom, welcome
Speaker 2: next on Nightside. How are you, sir?
Speaker 9: I'm cold?
Speaker 10: Is it cold enough?
Speaker 11: Flora Reward?
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'll tell you I was out there today
Speaker 2: and uh, you know it's January. So if you thought
Speaker 2: it was a cold day for us, it was a
Speaker 2: pretty cold day for Gerard Mayo.
Speaker 10: To go right ahead, I'm with you. I agree.
Speaker 9: I liked Mayo. Yeah, he he That's not right. He
Speaker 9: deserved better, you know. So as I said, I like Mayo.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, here's the thing. Here's the thing that's
Speaker 2: kind of funny. There was one other head coach that
Speaker 2: we know of that was fired today. Maybe there's more.
Speaker 2: They call it in the NFL Black Monday, the Monday
Speaker 2: after the regular season. So Doug Peterson was the coach
Speaker 2: of Jacksonville. He was the guy who was coaching the
Speaker 2: Eagle when the Eagles upset the Patriots in Minneapolis several
Speaker 2: years ago. So Gerard Mayos fired the same day as
Speaker 2: a super Bowl winning coach. Even winning the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: doesn't buy you a whole lot of time. So it's
Speaker 2: a tough business. I've got to tell you. And I
Speaker 2: I look call me a softie. Give the guy a
Speaker 2: couple of years. If he conjured the team around a
Speaker 2: couple of years, that's fine.
Speaker 10: But one year, okay, all right?
Speaker 9: Well, as I say I liked Mayo, I also have
Speaker 9: to sit and I liked Craft. He paid one hundred
Speaker 9: and two hundred million dollars to the team, cried pomos
Speaker 9: all the way. Then he was going to move the
Speaker 9: team to Hartford or Providence of Portland.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was hard for Hartford. He was he was
Speaker 2: down there talking with the governor and everybody was afraid,
Speaker 2: we're gonna lose the Patriots. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 9: I always thought Montpelia Patriots had a nice sprink to it.
Speaker 2: But so that's still part of New England.
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, don't know what success twenty years.
Speaker 2: They look even the great, the great, you know, the
Speaker 2: great Steeler teams they had to run for you know,
Speaker 2: seven eight, nine years. None of them won six super
Speaker 2: Bowls with the in in such a rapid fashion as
Speaker 2: the Patriots. The forty nine ers were great with Joe
Speaker 2: Montana and then they had Steve Young. But all those
Speaker 2: all those teams wear out guys, Guys get hurt, guys retire,
Speaker 2: people are drafted and it just doesn't work. How long?
Speaker 2: What did they think the Patriots are going to go
Speaker 2: for thirty forty years as the best team in the NFL.
Speaker 2: You can't stay on top. They had this thing with
Speaker 2: the draft, which we know the worst teams with the
Speaker 2: worst record get to pick the best players the next year.
Speaker 2: And that's the league maintains its balanced, you know, on
Speaker 2: any given Sunday that's been I just think the Patriots
Speaker 2: fans sometimes can be a little unrealistic. And I think
Speaker 2: the people who were up there yelling for Gerrod Mayo
Speaker 2: to fire Mayo, you know, next year, they'll they'll be
Speaker 2: six and eleven. Maybe they'll be a little bit better,
Speaker 2: but they're not going to the playoffs anytime soon. In
Speaker 2: my opinion.
Speaker 9: No, it's gonna take it's gonna take a more coach
Speaker 9: or no coach. It's gonna take two or three seasons
Speaker 9: to turn this around. So what I think is going
Speaker 9: to happen, I think you're gonna see put the team
Speaker 9: sale because this is just for them anymore. Maybe, And
Speaker 9: if Bob Craft sounds like Biden, you know, please.
Speaker 2: Don't go that far. That's unfair to Bob Craft. Tom Olyginning,
Speaker 2: Thanks Tom, appreciate you call. Yeah, Happy new Year, Tom,
Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling. You're gonna go to Marianne and Bridgewater.
Speaker 2: Nice to see some ladies calling in on this one him. Marianne,
Speaker 2: how are you?
Speaker 8: I think?
Speaker 7: Thanks Stan, Happy new Year anyway.
Speaker 2: Happy New Year to you as well.
Speaker 12: Thanks.
Speaker 7: You know, Mayo did deserve a second year. But I
Speaker 7: don't blame anyone but Mayo by winning yesterday. I'm going
Speaker 7: to tell you, in all honesty, in hindsight, if that
Speaker 7: was Belichick out there, he would have played his second
Speaker 7: and third string guys, not caring about a win because
Speaker 7: he would have had the first draft pick.
Speaker 2: Was that, Well, yeah, here's the deal. I think at
Speaker 2: that point in Belichick's career, I think he knew that
Speaker 2: his time, his days were numbered with the Patriots. I
Speaker 2: think Mayo, I think, I don't know, what do you do?
Speaker 2: You do? You go out there?
Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, damn, think about it. He played his
Speaker 7: first string. Do you think Buffalo really wanted the Patriots?
Speaker 7: To have first pick. Absolutely, not today. Second string players
Speaker 7: out there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they had a third string quarterback out out in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter. Who I think he was two for
Speaker 2: nine or something like that. I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I could have played and I could have been two
Speaker 2: for nine passing.
Speaker 7: I mean sure it was so All I'm saying is,
Speaker 7: you know I am I a huge Patriot fan. I'm sorry. No,
Speaker 7: I'm a hockey person. The bruins of my people, and
Speaker 7: I'm Red Sox Patriots. You know, I follow and I
Speaker 7: follow the coaches, and I did like the who check
Speaker 7: and Drew Bledsoe lived in Bridgewater and he was a
Speaker 7: great guy to the neighborhood kids. Yeah, that's what I.
Speaker 12: Started following the Patriots.
Speaker 2: It's too bad that that Bledsoe ran into mo Lewis
Speaker 2: or mo Lewis ran into Bledsoe on the sidelines against
Speaker 2: the Jets.
Speaker 7: Scared, he got scared, and once you're scared, he was done.
Speaker 7: But look at no, he was hurt.
Speaker 2: No, no, whoa, whoa whoa No, you know, Bledsoe was hurt.
Speaker 2: And Brady came came along at the right time.
Speaker 7: And you know, I know what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 7: is Mayo should have had a second year. I think
Speaker 7: what sealed his fate was the fact that you blew
Speaker 7: first pick, you know, and honestly, you know, I just
Speaker 7: felt bad for Mayo.
Speaker 2: But so you think they would have kept You think
Speaker 2: they would have kept him if he had if he
Speaker 2: had lost yesterday?
Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely was first pick. I think they might have
Speaker 7: that was grew up on a coaching pot by not
Speaker 7: letting like, honestly, that's what I think. But I'm only
Speaker 7: a female.
Speaker 2: So he took He took may out after one series, okay,
Speaker 2: which was nothing more. You know, you get sacked and punted,
Speaker 2: and he put Joe Milton in and Milton played great.
Speaker 2: What's he going to do? Call this kid over Milton
Speaker 2: who's playing in this first game and say, hey man,
Speaker 2: you got to bag this? What are you doing? What
Speaker 2: are you doing?
Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying. What I would have done was
Speaker 7: I would have put out people that couldn't catch or
Speaker 7: needed help catching or something. I would have played like,
Speaker 7: I don't know. I'm thinking of what Belichick did one year,
Speaker 7: and who more or less put the guys out that
Speaker 7: hadn't played all year long. You can't blame Mayo behavior
Speaker 7: of football players, you can't.
Speaker 2: I think Belichick did that in a game that he
Speaker 2: was concerned about what team he was going to match
Speaker 2: up against, and he wanted, I believe that year to
Speaker 2: play Jacksonville in the first round, which they won and
Speaker 2: they eventually lost I think to the Steelers.
Speaker 7: But okay, there was coaching strategy there.
Speaker 2: Well, some some would call it more than coaching strategy.
Speaker 2: They'd call it bag of the game, you know. I
Speaker 2: mean you're not supposed.
Speaker 7: To No, No, I'm not saying they should have just
Speaker 7: like given up. What I'm saying is is that think
Speaker 7: of all them third string guys that really didn't get
Speaker 7: any playtime. Look at it's the last game of the season.
Speaker 7: It's like what you do locally, you know, get the
Speaker 7: little kids out there and get these guys they're getting
Speaker 7: paid money for sitting on the sideline. Let them out
Speaker 7: there and let's see if they can finally catch a
Speaker 7: ball or something. I'm not saying they should have. I mean, like,
Speaker 7: you know, not saying they did play.
Speaker 2: They did play the they did play the second and
Speaker 2: third stringers yesterday. I mean there were I mean, Milton,
Speaker 2: I think the Pig Patriots, I don't know how deep
Speaker 2: they could go. They only got you know whatever it
Speaker 2: is forty five guys dressed for for a game or
Speaker 2: fifty whatever the fifty two now, I think, Mary, and
Speaker 2: thank you much. I loved your call, your your great callers.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much tonight, Thanks you too. Good night. Let's
Speaker 2: keep take a break. And we got Maureen and we
Speaker 2: got Bill coming up, and we got a little bit
Speaker 2: of room for you. I'll get you in if you
Speaker 2: want six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty six seven.
Speaker 2: Coming right back on Night'side. Talking about Gerrod Mayo's dismissal
Speaker 2: as head coach of the Patriots. I think it was unfair.
Speaker 2: It's as simple as that. I loved to know, would
Speaker 2: you think. And we are going to change topics at
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Speaker 2: I'm doing this in memory of Guy Manilla calling all sports.
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Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: to night Side Studios on DOBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Right by the way again. You know, Christian Barmore, Jabrill Peppers,
Speaker 2: a couple of the players who got themselves in a
Speaker 2: little bit of legal problems this year. That didn't help
Speaker 2: Girod Mayo. Let me go next to Bill and hey Bill,
Speaker 2: how are you? I know this is Bill Winker. Hi Bill,
Speaker 2: what's going on?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 10: You accuse me of not calling much, and you're right,
Speaker 10: So I figured I'll put my two SEMs worth in tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to hear what you think.
Speaker 10: Well, first of all, I think, like you and Mayo,
Speaker 10: they should have given them another year. You know, here's
Speaker 10: a lesson I learned a long time ago from my
Speaker 10: father when we were kids and we started to work
Speaker 10: with my dad, and he said, you've got to surround
Speaker 10: yourselves with people that are better than you are. And
Speaker 10: that's true today. If Boe and I go out to
Speaker 10: play at a party or a wedding or an event,
Speaker 10: if the two of us go and the people around
Speaker 10: us aren't as good or better than we are, we
Speaker 10: just we're not going to succeed. It's not going to
Speaker 10: be a great product. And poor Gerard Mao did not
Speaker 10: have a great product. I watched every game this year
Speaker 10: on TV, and you know, all the announces each game
Speaker 10: would always comment on the week team that we had
Speaker 10: out there. You know, great quarterback this year, which was
Speaker 10: a surprise and it was a great surprise, and even
Speaker 10: Milton surprises yesterday. But one great player doesn't do it.
Speaker 10: If you had a law froom, you need all great lawyers.
Speaker 10: And if you've got a software company, you need geniuses
Speaker 10: working there. In a drug company, same so you need
Speaker 10: a great team. And Craft did not spend the money
Speaker 10: pick up some key free agents in weak spots. You
Speaker 10: need to spend the money. You have to have the
Speaker 10: best people in the field. One superstar can't do it.
Speaker 2: Couldn't agree with you more. And I also think what
Speaker 2: you do with a coach is you establish a baseline.
Speaker 2: So he was four and thirteen. Next year, if he
Speaker 2: was four and thirteen again, at that point he can say,
Speaker 2: look that didn't work out. Or if he was three
Speaker 2: and fifteen or whatever the number would be. If he
Speaker 2: was let's say, uh, three and three and fourteen, it's
Speaker 2: no improvement, then that's fine, fire him. But if next
Speaker 2: year instead of winning four, they win six or seven,
Speaker 2: you stick You stick with them again. And then if
Speaker 2: he ate it now. You're talking now, maybe you're in
Speaker 2: the playoffs two years from now. I don't know.
Speaker 10: I agree with you one hundred percent on that, but uh.
Speaker 13: Craft needed to support him by encouraging the whole staff,
Speaker 13: you know, pick up some great players you have to
Speaker 13: improve and yeah, have a good team on the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had one guy to make the Pro Bowl
Speaker 2: this year. That's the real question here. You have a
Speaker 2: roster of fifty three. One guy made the Pro Bowl
Speaker 2: and he was a Special Teams rep. I mean that's straight.
Speaker 2: That's not great. That is that's not great. Bill is
Speaker 2: always please. They had a bow for me, and uh,
Speaker 2: we've got to get you on some Friday night as
Speaker 2: a guest.
Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, that would be great. We we love your show.
Speaker 10: I listen every night. It's great.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it so much. And we love the Winnakers,
Speaker 2: that's for sure, Bill Winnaker. Uh, And we'll get you
Speaker 2: in bow on and sometime on one of these cold
Speaker 2: winter nights and we're warming up a little bit with
Speaker 2: some musics.
Speaker 10: Buddy sounds good, okay, good, thank.
Speaker 2: You, So good night. Let's keep rolling. You're gonna go
Speaker 2: to Maureene and Brockton Maureen, what do you say about
Speaker 2: Gerad Mayo?
Speaker 12: Hi damn, Happy New Year to you and to Rob
Speaker 12: and to all the Night Side nations. I am very sad.
Speaker 10: You welcome.
Speaker 12: I'm very sad. I'm a huge fan of the coach.
Speaker 12: But my point is is there were a lot of injuries,
Speaker 12: and you complain that on the coach, you know you can.
Speaker 12: It's like it's like still the thing like you you know,
Speaker 12: you you work with what you have, and he's he
Speaker 12: was a rookie. He you know, what are you doing
Speaker 12: comparing him like you know, apples to oranges, you know,
Speaker 12: him to Belichick. It's like, no, no, I was very
Speaker 12: sad when I heard the news.
Speaker 2: Well, the other thing, you had a couple of players
Speaker 2: who got into some pretty serious bar More not only
Speaker 2: had some problems, some legal problems with that traffic stop
Speaker 2: down in Rhode Island, but then he was dealing with
Speaker 2: some sort of black cloth issues. Jabrill Prat Pepper's He's still,
Speaker 2: you know, had that sort of hanging over his head.
Speaker 2: They reactivated him a few weeks ago. But that's disruptive
Speaker 2: in a team, and you know, those those guys sort
Speaker 2: of let their teammates down and let and let him done.
Speaker 2: It's bad enough when a player gets into some sort
Speaker 2: of stupid event, uh in the off season, But when
Speaker 2: in the middle of the season you find yourself under arrest,
Speaker 2: that's that's not good. It's just yeah.
Speaker 9: No, I was, I was.
Speaker 12: I was very sad. I watched the game yesterday. I
Speaker 12: was so thrilled with Joe Milton. What a what a
Speaker 12: wonderful asset he is, and even.
Speaker 2: I mean, if Drake May is the real thing, which
Speaker 2: I think he is, you can't play two quarterbacks. But
Speaker 2: you can turn around now and and and maybe uh,
Speaker 2: Milton is the real deal. You can get some good
Speaker 2: players at other positions in the trade for Milton or
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, if you want to think
Speaker 2: about trade and May. I think May is the franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2: That's I think decided by how much money they make
Speaker 2: and their and their draft status. Milton I think was
Speaker 2: a sixth rounder if I'm not miss taken it, and
Speaker 2: May was obviously a first round pick.
Speaker 10: So well, and the whole bit.
Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead, no, go ahead, I interrupted you go ahead, Marien.
Speaker 12: No, No, I probably interrupted you on I apologize every week.
Speaker 12: My family does a zoom family call and I have
Speaker 12: a brother in Brighton and both of my brothers and
Speaker 12: they were like they just wanted the paths to lose
Speaker 12: because they wanted that first round. Well, sure, I don't
Speaker 12: think that that was in coaches. You know, that was
Speaker 12: not in coaches eyes, you know, to go out and lose.
Speaker 12: And I mean I believe I believe Crap. I saw
Speaker 12: a part of the interview, and I don't believe Kraft,
Speaker 12: you know, said oh, go out and lose the game
Speaker 12: today because yesterday. So I just I think it's we
Speaker 12: had a lot of injuries. Yes, we had some people
Speaker 12: that you know, but again, but aside from that, he
Speaker 12: was only his first year. He's he's only one of
Speaker 12: there were two his age head coaches. I mean, he's
Speaker 12: what thirty seven or thirty eight, I think.
Speaker 2: Get something like that. But NFL coaches are getting younger
Speaker 2: over time, because there's some young coaches have had great success. Maureen,
Speaker 2: I love you. Cal I'm gonna try to get one
Speaker 2: more in here if it's okay. Thanks so much being
Speaker 2: with being there tonight. Thanks so much, Marine, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Robert and Wellesley. Robert, you're going to wrap the hour
Speaker 2: for us. Go right ahead, Robert.
Speaker 11: Okay, good evening, Dan, and my superficial quick analysis. My
Speaker 11: gut feeling is that the coach was a scapegoat, and
Speaker 11: I do agree with the other callers that and you
Speaker 11: that you should have been given another another year. It
Speaker 11: seemed to me like he was making progress.
Speaker 2: And oh, yes, I think that. Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 2: think you need an entire season. And then you say, okay,
Speaker 2: we were four to thirteen. They could have won a
Speaker 2: couple of other games. To be honest with you, there
Speaker 2: were a couple of other games they were very competitive
Speaker 2: in and there was one they lost overtime to Seattle.
Speaker 2: They could have easily been you know, six and eleven
Speaker 2: as opposed to four and three team. But that's where
Speaker 2: they are, and there's your baseline and go from there
Speaker 2: and get better next year. I think they will get
Speaker 2: better next year. But I just think it was unfair.
Speaker 2: And again, some of his own players let him down.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was upset that that a couple of
Speaker 2: his guys ended up, you know, out of commission because
Speaker 2: of you know, dumb interactions with police officers. I know
Speaker 2: that the league now cautions these guys, you know, use
Speaker 2: your brain. You're making a lot of money. You know,
Speaker 2: act appropriately if you if you do get pulled over.
Speaker 2: Most times, if you polite to an officer, they're going
Speaker 2: to give you a bit of a break. Take advantage
Speaker 2: of your status, you know whatever. I just think I
Speaker 2: think the guy got a short deal, short shrift, I
Speaker 2: should say, And he'll end up. I'm sure as a coach,
Speaker 2: he's young enough, he'll come back and maybe he'll become
Speaker 2: a great coach. And because that's how they decide if
Speaker 2: you're a great coach, if you win and lose. But
Speaker 2: I don't know too many coaches is that could take
Speaker 2: that roster and do much more than four wins. It's
Speaker 2: as simple as that, simple as that.
Speaker 11: Yeah, good, good analysis better than mine and and just
Speaker 11: my gut failing, as it seemed like there was a
Speaker 11: little bit of a lack of intestinal fortitude and it
Speaker 11: was not particularly doesn't seem to me like a particularly
Speaker 11: great executive decision.
Speaker 2: All right, Robert, appreciate you all very much. We'll talk again,
Speaker 2: talk soon. Thanks thanks as always, Thank thank you, have
Speaker 2: a great night. Good night. Six one seven, five, four
Speaker 2: ten thirty is the number you should write it down.
Speaker 2: Six one seven, nine three one ten thirty when we
Speaker 2: get back after the ten o'clock news, we are going
Speaker 2: to change topics. And there's a new study out that
Speaker 2: suggests that amongst all of the top twenty five most
Speaker 2: congested American cities, Boston ranks fourth, which is not a
Speaker 2: place we want to be, uh. And we'll talk about that,
Speaker 2: and we'll talk about what's going on in New York
Speaker 2: City with the congestion pricing, because at this point, all
Speaker 2: the network stories I saw the night said Boston, San Francisco,
Speaker 2: or Chicago could be next. We talked about this a
Speaker 2: little bit on Friday night. I'd like to like to
Speaker 2: talk about it again tonight because I think it's crazy.
Speaker 2: And we'll be back on Nightside right after the ten
Speaker 2: o'clock news