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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of this inflow is happening on

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and I think that where we'll see that, especially next year.

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Speaker 2: But it does is a rising tides.

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Speaker 1: You know, as bitcoin goes up, a lot of the

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people that have been in crypto for years, and a

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lot of these Web three projects, they now have more capital.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot more liquidity in the market.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Carrie Letz. Then Devas is with us.

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Speaker 4: He is CEO of Mobile and we're talking crypto, and Dan,

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what can you say about crypto this year? It's been

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by far the best performer out there, better than the

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stock market, better than gold and silver by a bit,

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not as much as in prior years. Right now, it

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looks like we hit resistance at one hundred k. You know,

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for many securities, I look at psychological resistance, which is

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big numbers, and then you look at technical resistance, which

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is what the chart says. For bitcoin, there's only psychology here.

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How long is it going to be till we hit

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one hundred k.

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Speaker 1: I think that even though we're saying o tracement today,

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it's still very likely that one hundred k is possible

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at the end of this year. I think that, you know,

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if you look at the last month, you know, we're

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up like forty forty five percent, so it's very reasonable

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to have some sort of retracement. But if you look

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at just you know, there's so many tailwinds heading in

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this direction from the bitcoin reserve that the administration is

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hinting at, from the ETF and flows, and you know,

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the corporate treasuries and then are now voting non potentially

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buying bitcoin. Microsoft, you know, being one of them, and

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so I think, you know, it's it's very likely and

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generally you see a good crypto market in November and December,

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you know historically, and what this is without the external

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factors that we're talking about here, So you know, long term,

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I think that's why you're seeing guys like micro Strategy

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being able to take in uh, you know, he's been

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able to buy you know, seven billion dollars or you know,

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or I think you bought five point five billion dollars

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in bitcoin yesterday and in three weeks like you've seen

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that stock shoot up significantly because of all the interests

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on his offerings. So it's you know, I without question

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believe that one hunter k is very possible. But there

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is a psychological component to it because a lot of

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the people that are selling bitcoin right now, if you

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look at the outflows, there are actually a lot of

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long term holders and not necessarily the institutions like the

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ets that those are actually remained pretty stable and they're

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absorbing a lot of that supply from the market.

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Speaker 4: All right, so what about other cryptos ethereum, We're going

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to see you move there because it's definitely lagged Bitcoin. Yeah,

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it's actually really interesting.

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the last week because you know, it's interesting. If you

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look at the ratio, it's the it was the absolute

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lowest it had ever been. When Bitcoin was a whatever,

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and eth was at like three thirty one hundred.

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Speaker 2: It is the lowest race shot I've ever seen it.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I remember the days, you know, maybe

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certain percentage but remained relatively stable if you look at

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Speaker 4: It's five percent according to my chart here, but I

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don't trust any of the charts. But but it hasn't

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hit its record yet again record Yeah, it's like I.

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Speaker 2: But it does. It is a rising tides.

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Speaker 1: You know, as bitcoin goes up, a lot of people

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of these Web three projects, they now have more capital,

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there's a lot more liquidity in the market, and so

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into these new all coins, which creates a new opportunity

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bit more regulatory clarity with like Gary Gensler resigning and

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some of the appointments that Trump has indicated, And that's

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its golden years. I think we're in the ninety nine

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So the antipathy of the government towards cryptos, I

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cryptos is no longer there. I think there's going to

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be antipathy to these marginal ones that are really nothing

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more than scams, which is, you know, hundreds of them

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the five or ten leading cryptos and room for others

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to enter with certain ground rules that weren't in effect.

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a referee in this thing because a lot of people

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these cryptos. Here basic question for those of you out there,

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ethereum and to buy bitcoin? Is it through an ETF

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or should I be looking at the other vehicles?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Look, I think if you're an institutional investor or

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sight institutionalized or retail investor, but you know you are

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used to trading on fidelity or a brokerage, you still

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have all the protections.

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Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the day.

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on your personal preference. I think the benefit of holding

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crypto in a wallet is that you know, you have

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this whole decentralization aspect and so your money is nowhere.

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you know you were you don't, you can't get that

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crypto anymore. And so, you know, I think that that's

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probably the best way to get exposure while still having

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the downside protection because it it's no different than the

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security portfolio that you currently have. And just to your

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previous point, I do think it's a very important, uh

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component that you know, we do have regulation in the industry.

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through space for years, and you know, it's it's been

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without clarity in the United States. With that clarity in

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the United States, it will make the United States a

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leader in crypto. And you know, having financials, having those

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protections for consumers is imperative because yes, there are a

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lot of scams in crypto, and it's it's an industry

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that has a ton of growth, and with any growth,

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there's always going to be like that actors, you know,

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so it's very important to stay on the forefront of that.

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but then you got storage problems.

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Speaker 2: I've got point four bitcoin.

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six hundred dollars, so it was a whopping two hundred

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narco hypnosis where they give you drugs and probe your

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mind to figure out what the heck, my key was

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to figure it out. I mean, if anybody out there

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has a way of doing this, man, you could clean up,

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because twenty five percent of the bitcoin out there is

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lost right.

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Speaker 1: Literally there, and I mean which benefits on the supply aspect.

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literally one hundred million dollars in there, and people have

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like one guest left, you know, and they have like

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the mas sophisticated hackers in the world trying to hack

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into this crypto, like white hat hackers, right, so that

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they can get the crypto out. So I would agree

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computing AI will solve that for us, you know, but

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then that could break the entire crypto market down.

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Speaker 4: As well, so they are AI, you know, forget about

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quantum the AI really well, we'll see. I guess it's

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it's a conundrum here the as the the hard drive

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in a landfill and you offered it's got like two

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hundred and fifty million of crypto on it's probably half

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a billion now and they just dig up the landfill

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if it could be worth less again

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to ROI, you know, we started a little like hedge

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fond hedge one to just go through it and bop

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of kind of where we are going with crypto. I mean,

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if you look at gold market, we're an eighteen point

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five trillion or something of that nature, and bitcoin today

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it's like one point eight trillion, you know. And so

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we don't go and buy gold in that nature and

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Speaker 2: Gold is bitcoin.

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Speaker 1: And I think that it's very reasonable to say that

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this asset class will easily five to ten x over

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the course of the next two years, especially if you

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look at the performance of the gold ETF versus the

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Bitcoin ETF. It's the highest performing ETF that's ever came out,

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and I think that that's goes to show the growth

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potential here in this sector.

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Speaker 2: Overall, couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, So as far as uh looking to the

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future here, do you think that the ets the institutional

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interest now they're going to have options trading, Does that

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make it easier to manipulate the crypto market?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll get it depends on the size of

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the coin, right, But I mean, like if you look

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it's like he bought five billion dollars of bitcoin and

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bitcoin reserve concept where the US is proposing, hey, or

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the senator which I'm forgeting her name, but from Wyoming,

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it's five percent is the goal that she has to

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own that bitcoin? Now, that would clearly I wouldn't say

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impact in bitcoin, right if the US suddenly owned five

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percent of the goal, because they also would spur an

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entire buy movement from all these other countries that don't

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want to get left behind, and that would be just

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a very parable a thing where we may see then

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a million dollars a bitcoin over the course of the

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next you know, twelve to twenty four months to pennylmen

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that's executed. So I do think it's very hard to

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manipulate markets in the scale of coin, but that's essentially

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the general idea of smaller markets much more possible. And

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those all coins that are seven billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, interesting times ahead, Dan. We want to find

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out more about you. Connect with you on the web,

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et cetera.

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Speaker 2: How do we do that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on Twitter, Nevas, Underscore AI and then you check

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out our website at modemobile dot com. We're building a

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lot of stuff and Web three and also Web two,

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you know, helping consumers get into earning rewards and earning

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crypto without having.

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Speaker 4: Put a bunch of money down to do it all right, excellent, Hey,

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links in the show notes to this interview on Financial

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will talk to you again and happy bitcoining.

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