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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for letting me Internet Dad, you all with

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<v Speaker 1>weird facts and advice. Okay, experimental archaeology. Experiment comes from

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<v Speaker 1>the root, meaning to try or to risk, and archaeology

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<v Speaker 1>comes from the root for ancient things. So experimental archaeology

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<v Speaker 1>is to risk ancient things, which sounds dicey, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>not really what it means. So you'll see. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>ologist and I have been Twitter friends for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>He tweeted at me a few years back about wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the show and fun fact, I almost

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<v Speaker 1>showed up at his house unannounced, like a year ago

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<v Speaker 1>and just shoved a mic in his face to surprise him.

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<v Speaker 1>But I figured that's probably technically illegal. And we have

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<v Speaker 1>had to reschedule this interview probably five times in the

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<v Speaker 1>last month just because of traveling to be up here

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<v Speaker 1>with my folks. I had my own weird er trip

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<v Speaker 1>involving an infected spider bite that turned out probably just

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<v Speaker 1>to be an infected scratch from carrying firewood. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to talk about it. Also, my laptop screen shattered

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<v Speaker 1>this week, so I have rescheduled this person over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was so understanding and such a joy, and

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<v Speaker 1>we just chatted about everything from the first tools to

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<v Speaker 1>bows and arrows to spear throwers aka at lattels. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't know what an at lottle is or

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<v Speaker 1>how to say it, that's fine. That means this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to f you up even better. So in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of ologies, I have never met anyone so passionate

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<v Speaker 1>about a thing. And it just goes to show you

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<v Speaker 1>that though this person is an undergrad his level of

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge and engagement in the field makes him likely one

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<v Speaker 1>of the top experts in the world on this one

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<v Speaker 1>particular item. It's astounding. So get ready to stand and

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<v Speaker 1>to learn about early human axes, indigenous populations of North

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<v Speaker 1>and Central and South America, tales of fieldwork, some new

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<v Speaker 1>archaeology heroes, tools versus weapons, what to do if you

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<v Speaker 1>far you can lob ancient weaponry with member of the

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<v Speaker 1>you'll understand and know how to pronounce by the end

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<v Speaker 1>of this episode, experimental archaeologist Angelo Robletto.

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<v Speaker 3>I am very honored to even be on your radar,

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<v Speaker 3>and even more honored to be on this podcast. It

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<v Speaker 3>has been probably the number one professional goal of mine

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<v Speaker 3>for two year. Really, I distinctly remember I tweeted, I

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<v Speaker 3>wish I could just get my PhD tomorrow for the

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<v Speaker 3>sole purpose of being a guest on Ologies. Oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>shookth that's what I shook.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited to have you on because it's as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as you told me what you were into a

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<v Speaker 1>I was like a wattle wattle. I had no idea,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I put you on a list like immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>and can you tell me a little bit, like where

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<v Speaker 1>are you studying right now? What is your research about?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so right now I am an undergraduate student. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going into my senior year. I'm a double major in

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<v Speaker 3>anthropology and philosophy at the University of Nevada Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 3>Within anthropology, which is especially in American universities, a broad

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<v Speaker 3>category the study of humanity. Basically, there's four subfields. One

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<v Speaker 3>of those subfields is archaeology. My specialization or my focus

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<v Speaker 3>within anthropology is archaeology, and then my focus within philosophy

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<v Speaker 3>is political theory, but that's completely different. I bounced around

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<v Speaker 3>a few labs at U and LV. What's great about

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<v Speaker 3>that university is that they have a designated building for

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<v Speaker 3>archaeology laboratories. And most people think, like, well, why does

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<v Speaker 3>an archaeologist need a laboratory. They're digging in the field

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<v Speaker 3>they you know, it's not something that most people associate

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<v Speaker 3>with Archaeology is in lab work, but UNLV invested heavily

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<v Speaker 3>in I think there are I want to say twelve

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<v Speaker 3>or fifteen separate designated archaeology laboratories for different fields of archaeology,

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<v Speaker 3>different material specialties, different regional specialties. So one of those

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<v Speaker 3>labs is an experimental archaeology lab, and I've been working

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<v Speaker 3>with that lab since I was in high school. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>my sophomore year of high school, I was talking to

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<v Speaker 3>my school counselor and she goes, Angela, what do you

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<v Speaker 3>want to do with life? And I said, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>since i've been since first or second grade, I have

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<v Speaker 3>written down that I've wanted to be an experimental archaeologist

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<v Speaker 3>when I grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>And how did you earn words?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's crazy. I mean I've wanted to be an

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<v Speaker 3>archaeologist since kindergarten. That was the first I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>fell in love started with Egyptology. You know. Shout out

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<v Speaker 3>to missus Drake, who's my elementary school librarian, who noticed

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<v Speaker 3>that I I really liked a fiction book about Egypt.

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<v Speaker 3>So she said, well, there's these nonfiction books about Egypt.

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<v Speaker 3>And I had no clue what nonfiction was. And there

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<v Speaker 3>are picture books filled with, you know, pictures of daily

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<v Speaker 3>life in Egypt, and I just fell in love. And

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<v Speaker 3>I quickly moved on to other cultures and civilizations around

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<v Speaker 3>the world. But by first or second grade, I knew

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<v Speaker 3>that ancient tools and weapons were you know, what I

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<v Speaker 3>was most interested in and wanted to study the most.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, in high school, I told my counselor, and

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<v Speaker 3>I want to do experimental archaeology, and she goes, well,

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<v Speaker 3>did you know that one of the students here is

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<v Speaker 3>the daughter of the experimental archaeology professor at UNLV. No. Way,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, one of the odds of this happening. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's way My high school had three thousand, three hundred

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<v Speaker 3>students and it is in the fifth largest school district

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<v Speaker 3>in the country, with you know, there's like sixty high

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<v Speaker 3>schools in Las Vegas, and I was at the one

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<v Speaker 3>with the daughter from the experinal archaeology professor at U

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<v Speaker 3>and LV, so she put me in contact with her.

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<v Speaker 3>The professor's name was doctor Karen Harry, and she specializes

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<v Speaker 3>in experimental pottery work. However, she has a graduate students

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<v Speaker 3>who are doing experimental you know, leather tanning work and

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<v Speaker 3>architectural work and stuff like that. But she's a ceramicist

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<v Speaker 3>and she specializes in ancestral Puebloan sites in northern Arizona,

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<v Speaker 3>in the shipwoodz Plateau area part of Paraschant National Monument

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<v Speaker 3>in northern Arizona, kind of the north room of the

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<v Speaker 3>Grand Canyon. And I emailed her and I said, I've

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<v Speaker 3>been obsessed with experimental archaeology and archaeology since I was little.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'll come clean test tubes for you, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>do whatever. I just want to be in the environment.

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<v Speaker 3>And she said, well, me and three grad students are

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<v Speaker 3>going off into the desert for a month this summer.

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<v Speaker 3>Would you like to come with us?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>And my god, of course my parents were like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know about that, but they eventually said yes. After

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<v Speaker 3>meeting her, and it was myself, doctor Harry, and three

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<v Speaker 3>of her PhD students, our master's and PhD students, And

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<v Speaker 3>we stayed out in a National Park Service cabin out

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<v Speaker 3>in the ship's plateau. And then every day we had

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<v Speaker 3>to get into a pickup truck and barrel over boulders.

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<v Speaker 3>It would take us maybe and like maybe forty five

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<v Speaker 3>minutes to drive like three miles, because that's how slow

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<v Speaker 3>we were going it was. We probably could have walked faster,

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<v Speaker 3>we had so much equipment we didn't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Once we would park, we then have to hike another

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<v Speaker 3>like hour and fifteen minutes. Now this is in June

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<v Speaker 3>in Arizona. It's one hundred and fifteen degrees. We've got,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, between thirty and fifty pound packs on us

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<v Speaker 3>with the gear and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Ooh, I've a little grimy and sweaty here.

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<v Speaker 3>But once we got to the site, it was magnificent.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it was The site itself was just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of you couldn't really tell it. It was a sit

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<v Speaker 3>unless New York you're looking for, because this was at

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<v Speaker 3>a time when people they weren't living in one place

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<v Speaker 3>necessarily the whole time. They weren't investing a lot into

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<v Speaker 3>their architecture kind of the beginnings of the pueblo and

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<v Speaker 3>culture in that area that built those kind of big

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<v Speaker 3>like mesa Verne type places.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, quick aside. I was not sure what mesa Verde

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<v Speaker 1>type places were, but I looked it up, and in

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<v Speaker 1>mesa Verde National Park near the Four Corners, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>series of cliff dwellings like Cliff Palace, and that's in

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<v Speaker 1>almost a thousand year old, gorgeous complex, ancient pueblo in

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<v Speaker 1>structure built into this jaggy, rocky cliff side. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you look up pictures of Cliff Palace and don't gasp,

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<v Speaker 1>you should call a doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>So we get to this area and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>this is interesting because it's not exactly what I was picturing.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're like, oh yeah, here's a house here, and

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<v Speaker 3>here's another pit house over here. And I'm like, sure

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<v Speaker 3>if you tell it, if you say so, because it

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<v Speaker 3>just looks like pile of rocks to me. At that time,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know what I was looking at. But the

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<v Speaker 3>site was situated basically at the rim of the Grand Canyon,

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<v Speaker 3>in a place inaccessible unless you're an archaeologist working on

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<v Speaker 3>the site basically, so we are able to have our

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<v Speaker 3>lunch kind of just perch there in the north rim

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<v Speaker 3>of the Grand Canyon. It was just beautiful. And she

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<v Speaker 1>so many questions And now when you say experimental archaeology,

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<v Speaker 3>recreation of the tools and like, okay, well, how hard

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<v Speaker 3>in the archaeological record. So, to give an example, we find,

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<v Speaker 1>So another thing, an experimental archaeologist might do is build

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<v Speaker 1>match markings found microscopically on found ancient blades. So like,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine someone finding your kitchen knife thousands of years from

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<v Speaker 1>a queen she must have been royalty. I wish I

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<v Speaker 1>and we'd party. Oh okay, now walk me through a

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<v Speaker 1>your own napping of obsidian and things like that, like

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<v Speaker 1>when did humans use different materials where? And how do

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? I still can't wrap my brain. I probably will

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<v Speaker 3>go to my grave not fully understanding how ancient humans

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<v Speaker 3>figured this out because flintnapping is possibly the hardest thing

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<v Speaker 3>I've ever taught myself to do.

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult as opposed to the napping most of us

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have taught myself a lot of weird skills

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<v Speaker 3>over the years, both related to archaology and not related

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<v Speaker 3>both mentally and physically into understanding flint napping. And for

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<v Speaker 3>mechanics and the physics and the geometry behind flintnapping. I

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<v Speaker 3>complete an arrowhead. So it kind of just took just

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of practice, but generally to go over the timeline.

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<v Speaker 3>So the oldest stone tools we know about date to

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<v Speaker 3>about three point three million years ago, which was way

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<v Speaker 3>before the human species even existed. Yeah, yeah, crazy crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>These were super rudimentary flakes and choppers. They were not

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<v Speaker 3>sophisticated arrowheads. They were like a rock that had one

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<v Speaker 3>one of the committed ancestors to Homo sapiens and literally

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<v Speaker 3>means the handyman. Basically, they date to about two point

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of have cohesive stone tool technology called aldowan

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<v Speaker 3>were still pretty simple choppers, but they are similar to

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<v Speaker 3>each other to the point where or we can kind

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<v Speaker 3>of make it a determination that like, okay, this group

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<v Speaker 3>of hominids all created their stone tools in the same process,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of when we see a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>ability to work out problems like that, and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of a lot of experiment archaeologists, especially ones that work

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<v Speaker 3>with you know, stone tools that are millions of years

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<v Speaker 3>to analyze how complex the complexity of the tools as

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<v Speaker 3>they must have had better brain capacity, or at least

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<v Speaker 3>better abstract thinking conceptualization to be able to repeat these

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<v Speaker 3>they do that about two million years ago, and they

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<v Speaker 3>and then east. They make Ashulian hand axes.

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<v Speaker 1>What is an Ashulian axe? You want to ask Google?

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<v Speaker 1>a doozy to spell. So Ashulian is trey Francais. It's

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<v Speaker 1>thinking like a cute hatchet, but a hand axe is

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<v Speaker 1>actually a rock that's been chipped away at one end

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a sharp rock, that's what that is.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, these are really kind of standardized. So we find

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<v Speaker 3>So it's you know, at that point, it's a parent

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<v Speaker 3>that these hominids were teaching each other how to replicate

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<v Speaker 3>culture where this shape of tool and this kind of

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<v Speaker 3>way of making it was you know, prioritized in some

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<v Speaker 3>in the community to make them the same way. So

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<v Speaker 3>we find a lot of these Australian hand axes made

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<v Speaker 3>the same way. And what's also important about Australian hand

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<v Speaker 3>one of the first by face tools. So by face,

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<v Speaker 3>on both edges, so that's by face. And then if

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<v Speaker 3>it's just like a chisel is flat on one end

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<v Speaker 3>wood chisel, that's called a uniface. So most choppers were

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<v Speaker 3>kind of unifacial, they would just have like one striking edge,

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<v Speaker 3>but these Australian hand axes were specifically flaked on both

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<v Speaker 3>sides to give it a byface. By faces are sharper

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<v Speaker 3>be a lit more durable as well, So byfaces takes

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more skill to make a byface and to

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<v Speaker 1>What type of stone were they making these these axes out.

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<v Speaker 3>Of, So the earlier Oldowan tools were kind of river

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<v Speaker 3>pebbles or cobbles. As you get into byfaces, you need

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<v Speaker 3>obsidian or shirt are really good for that because they

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<v Speaker 3>act almost like glass. They have a uniform, homogeneous crystalline

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<v Speaker 3>the shock waves will interact with the ridges on the

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<v Speaker 3>have a really coarsely grained rock, it's going to break

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how is this person so young and so knowledgeable?

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<v Speaker 1>And also we haven't even go into add lattels. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, So then around five hundred thousand years ago, which

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<v Speaker 3>is still before the Homo sapiens species in Africa, as

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<v Speaker 3>eventually become Homo sapiens, we find the earliest, potentially the

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<v Speaker 3>earliest evidence of hafting. Halfting is when you take a

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<v Speaker 3>handle or other implement, like a wooden handle or a

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<v Speaker 3>wooden spear, or even like an antler handle. So we

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<v Speaker 3>find the first evidence of hafting. And the way we

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<v Speaker 3>know that is because you look at the mastic, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the glue used on the tool, because obviously the

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<v Speaker 3>wood is rotten away after five hundred thousand years, but

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<v Speaker 3>there's residue of glue on the back of some of

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<v Speaker 3>these tools that were found in Africa, and that indicates

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<v Speaker 3>that they may have been glued into a handle of

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<v Speaker 1>What is the glue? Where are they getting the glue?

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<v Speaker 1>They can't get that on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 3>of a mixture of tree sap, beeswax, wood, ash, and

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<v Speaker 3>fat that would kind of make this really this kind

419
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<v Speaker 3>of black tar glue. And usually you would glue it

420
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<v Speaker 3>into a stick or a handle by carving a notch

421
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<v Speaker 3>into the piece of wood or the bone, slotting the

422
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<v Speaker 3>byface into that notch, putting the glue around, and then

423
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<v Speaker 3>usually you tie it with some sort of cordage, whether

424
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<v Speaker 3>it's made out of animal sinew, which is really strong

425
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<v Speaker 3>and useful because when it's wet, it's really easy to

426
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<v Speaker 3>work with. But when it dries it actually has its

427
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<v Speaker 3>own glue. It shrinks and hardens like a rock. You're

428
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<v Speaker 3>able to tie something really tight, and then as it dries,

429
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<v Speaker 3>it literally constricts around that piece and hardens rock solid

430
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<v Speaker 3>to make it a really really tough you know, tough

431
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<v Speaker 3>point or tough haft. So they usually tie it as well,

432
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<v Speaker 3>but sometimes they would just glue it. But the Neanderthals

433
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<v Speaker 3>came around like four hundred thousand years ago and they

434
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<v Speaker 3>started making smaller, more specialized tools, and they had the

435
00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:09.519
<v Speaker 3>malcatarian tool tradition, and the Levolois tools, which I'm probably mispronouncing.

436
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<v Speaker 3>It's a French term and I'm not great with my French.

437
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<v Speaker 1>Let's ask a computer la the Venoa tools. Okay, So,

438
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<v Speaker 1>by the bye, these are like the Ashulian axes aka

439
00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:25.279
<v Speaker 1>sharpened rocks, but they're more refined, and they're smaller, they're

440
00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:28.799
<v Speaker 1>more knife like. They look much closer to arrowheads and

441
00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:32.440
<v Speaker 1>stone points, and I guess they're evidence that our hairy

442
00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:36.200
<v Speaker 1>ancestors were against some real skills. So think like going

443
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<v Speaker 1>from a flip phone to an iPhone. It's like, ooh.

444
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<v Speaker 3>The cool thing about these is that they're able to

445
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<v Speaker 3>get really really precise sharp flakes. They could repeat over

446
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<v Speaker 3>and over, and instead of making these big hand axes,

447
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<v Speaker 3>which were kind of unruly, they got better at making

448
00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:53.240
<v Speaker 3>by faces on a smaller scale that would work better

449
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<v Speaker 3>in hand tools. Then we have the earliest. The earliest

450
00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:02.079
<v Speaker 3>spears we've ever found are the Shehrnangen spears. Now it's

451
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<v Speaker 3>a German word that I'm sure i'm mispronouncing as well.

452
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<v Speaker 3>The Shunningen spears I can't remember. You might have to

453
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<v Speaker 3>look up pronunciation on that.

454
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<v Speaker 1>It's going and spears it's not helpful.

455
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<v Speaker 3>But the Shonningen spears, they were a collection of like

456
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<v Speaker 3>six to seven foot long wooden sticks basically that were

457
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<v Speaker 3>excavated with a bunch of horse bones from and that

458
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<v Speaker 3>are dated to about three hundred and eighty thousand years ago,

459
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<v Speaker 3>so still before Homo sapiens. Yeah, so it's theorized that

460
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<v Speaker 3>these spears were used as thrusty weapons, but they there's

461
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<v Speaker 3>a debate about whether or not they could have been

462
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<v Speaker 3>throwing weapons as well.

463
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<v Speaker 1>Throwing spears, by the bye are for overhand chucking and

464
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<v Speaker 1>thrusting is like underhand stabby times. So look at us.

465
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<v Speaker 1>We're archaeologists now, and the difference between a throwing and

466
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<v Speaker 1>thrusting is that the crux of what an add a

467
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<v Speaker 1>little is.

468
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I like to use in anemonic that at lattels

469
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<v Speaker 3>are for throwing and spears are for thrusting. When we're

470
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<v Speaker 3>talking archaeology, we're talking weapons study. If it is a

471
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:16.599
<v Speaker 3>spear that's being thrown without the aid of another tool

472
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<v Speaker 3>like in a lattle, if it's just being thrown, that's

473
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.599
<v Speaker 3>a javelin. Okay, spear by itself, just the word spear

474
00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:27.200
<v Speaker 3>indicates that they thrusting weapon. Oh, if it's being thrown

475
00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.480
<v Speaker 3>by another tool, like in that laddle, then it's called

476
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<v Speaker 3>a dart, specifically if it has fletchings, which are the

477
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<v Speaker 3>feathers in the back.

478
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so sticky mcpointerson a spear is used to stab

479
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<v Speaker 1>a javelin is tossed forward, and a dart is tossed

480
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<v Speaker 1>forward but has fletchings or those featherlike little wings on

481
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<v Speaker 1>the back. And a twenty nineteen University College London study

482
00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:54.200
<v Speaker 1>had some collegiate javelin competitors try to throw replicas of

483
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<v Speaker 1>those heavy German spears to see could these even be

484
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<v Speaker 1>tossed how far?

485
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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing with the extreme t archaeology research. It

486
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<v Speaker 3>tells you whether things could be possible, but doesn't necessarily

487
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<v Speaker 3>prove that that's what happened. So the result of their

488
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:12.319
<v Speaker 3>research was, Okay, it is possible to throw these spears,

489
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<v Speaker 3>but that doesn't mean that Neanderthals were throwing the spears.

490
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<v Speaker 3>Does that make sense?

491
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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

492
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So they found that even with these collegiate train

493
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<v Speaker 3>javelin throwers that anything beyond fifteen meters they weren't able

494
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<v Speaker 3>to hit the target at all, and after twenty meters

495
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:34.160
<v Speaker 3>the spear wouldn't even land point first. It kind of

496
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:35.799
<v Speaker 3>fishtail in the air. And this is for a couple

497
00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:39.200
<v Speaker 3>of reasons. One, the body mechanics of throwing a spear

498
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<v Speaker 3>like a javelin with a flat trajectory aiming for a

499
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:46.000
<v Speaker 3>target isn't really conducive for the human body. Javelin throwers,

500
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:49.279
<v Speaker 3>like Olympic javelin throwers, they're throwing at an extremely high

501
00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:52.160
<v Speaker 3>art to throw for distance, and it works okay for that.

502
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<v Speaker 3>But even those javelin throwers, if you asked them to

503
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<v Speaker 3>try to hit a standing target twenty meters in front

504
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<v Speaker 3>of them, they would have a lot of difficulty even

505
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<v Speaker 3>reaching the target, even though they can throw one hundred

506
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.559
<v Speaker 3>meters when they're throwing for distance. It's just the mechanics

507
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.720
<v Speaker 3>of throwing at that flat trajectory versus throwing it at

508
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:10.279
<v Speaker 3>an extremely steep trajectory are just completely different.

509
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.559
<v Speaker 1>Angelo says it's pretty hard to toss a heavy spear

510
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:17.440
<v Speaker 1>on its own, both far and accurately. So how are

511
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<v Speaker 1>they getting from A to B?

512
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:20.759
<v Speaker 3>And we know that Neanderthals would use hunting tactics where

513
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 3>they would either like drive animals off a cliff or

514
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.799
<v Speaker 3>corner animals in like canyons or something like that, to

515
00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.799
<v Speaker 3>where they could be easily accessed with thrusting spears to

516
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:33.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of finish off the animal. These spears are the

517
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.480
<v Speaker 3>oldest complete weapons that we have ever found, and they

518
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.680
<v Speaker 3>date to about three hundred and eighty thousand years ago.

519
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.960
<v Speaker 3>But I can't even almost it's crazy. It's crazy how

520
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.599
<v Speaker 3>that's a time scale that's hard to process because if

521
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 3>you think about the entire history, of the entirety of

522
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 3>recorded human history, so you know, history that we have

523
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:58.920
<v Speaker 3>like written accounts of by people who had developed written language,

524
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 3>really only go back a couple thousand years in the

525
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.680
<v Speaker 3>grand scheme of humanity. But we're talking almost four hundred

526
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.759
<v Speaker 3>thousand years old. And like I said, these spears were

527
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:10.720
<v Speaker 3>found in Germany and they were used by Neanderthals at

528
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:13.839
<v Speaker 3>that time. And that's another thing with archaeology. Just because

529
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:17.279
<v Speaker 3>you have excravated the oldest example of something doesn't mean

530
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:21.119
<v Speaker 3>that's when that thing started, right, That's just the oldest

531
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<v Speaker 3>one we've found.

532
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.359
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So for hundreds of thousands of years, these bad

533
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:28.720
<v Speaker 1>boys were too heavy to hurl very far. But as

534
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:32.279
<v Speaker 1>time marched on, weapons got faster and lighter. In about

535
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:35.720
<v Speaker 1>forty five thousand years ago. Anthropologists think that spears emerged

536
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:38.759
<v Speaker 1>with a little extra help, which is a spear thrower

537
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>you use in conjunction with it, so it works to

538
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>fling the shafted weapon a lot like the dog toy,

539
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:47.839
<v Speaker 1>the chuck it, which hurls spitty tennis balls at the

540
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:52.279
<v Speaker 1>dog park. In fact, Angelo says that the chucket is

541
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:55.759
<v Speaker 1>a modern at laddle. What is it called an at laddle?

542
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>At a laddle? It's an at laddle, not an adult.

543
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:03.599
<v Speaker 3>An at laddle. Well, I say at laddle. The reason

544
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:05.839
<v Speaker 3>I don't say at a laddle is because in my

545
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:11.039
<v Speaker 3>mind you're pronouncing the middle l twice at laddle. What

546
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 3>it's actually just spelled atl atl. Now, the word at

547
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:20.680
<v Speaker 3>laddle is a Nawatch word, which is the language spoken

548
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:24.559
<v Speaker 3>by the group of people in central Mexico that we

549
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:26.720
<v Speaker 3>now call the Aztecs, even though that's not what they

550
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.200
<v Speaker 3>called themselves. The Nahwua people were a collection of people

551
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:36.119
<v Speaker 3>from northern Mexico about two thousand years ago who slowly,

552
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 3>tribe by tribe, immigrated south towards the Valley of Mexico,

553
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.720
<v Speaker 3>where other civilizations like Tao, ti Wakan and had been

554
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:47.960
<v Speaker 3>flourishing in that time period. Now, one of the first

555
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 3>groups to come down was the Tolltec group, So they

556
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:55.240
<v Speaker 3>were a Nahwachi speaking group that came after the fall

557
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.759
<v Speaker 3>of Tao tu Wakan and kind of established a small

558
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:01.200
<v Speaker 3>kingdom or empire in a city called Tula in central Mexico.

559
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<v Speaker 3>One of the last Nawak speaking tribes to immigrate from

560
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:10.960
<v Speaker 3>northern Mexico to Central Mexico was the Meshka tribe. They

561
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.799
<v Speaker 3>came in and probably were using bows and arrows at

562
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.559
<v Speaker 3>the time, but at latto's were really popular in that

563
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.799
<v Speaker 3>central Mexican valley, so they adopted the use of an

564
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:25.960
<v Speaker 3>at laddo. They started conquering kind of these other city

565
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.720
<v Speaker 3>states at the time, and they created a triple alliance

566
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.880
<v Speaker 3>between two other city states. So it was the Meshica

567
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:36.319
<v Speaker 3>tribe and their city state of Tlan and then two

568
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.440
<v Speaker 3>other tribes with two other states, you know, their own

569
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:43.160
<v Speaker 3>city states. They created the Aztec triple alliance. So that's

570
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 3>who we when we say Aztec, we're actually referring to

571
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 3>this triple alliance between these three cities, the main group

572
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 3>of which was the Meshica tribe in the city of

573
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.759
<v Speaker 3>Street Lane, which is what we now call Mexico City.

574
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:55.400
<v Speaker 1>And how long ago is this?

575
00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:00.440
<v Speaker 3>So that was in the thirteen and fourteen hundreds, so

576
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.119
<v Speaker 3>so not not too long ago. Then the Spaniards came

577
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:05.880
<v Speaker 3>conquered the Aztec and then enslaved and killed them all

578
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:09.000
<v Speaker 3>with smallpox and one of the worst genocides in history

579
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:13.079
<v Speaker 3>that the Meshica themselves actually had. It was part of

580
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.599
<v Speaker 3>their culture to not call themselves the Aztec. The word

581
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 3>Aztec means somebody from Atslan. Atslan is what they called

582
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.319
<v Speaker 3>their northern Mexico homeland. Okay, so they were the people

583
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:26.480
<v Speaker 3>from Utslan. The Spaniards were like, oh, we'll just call

584
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.759
<v Speaker 3>you Aztec, but they called themselves that the Meshica. And

585
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.680
<v Speaker 3>that's me e Xica, which is where we get the

586
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 3>word Mexico or Mexico from. So it all comes from

587
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 3>comes from that.

588
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.119
<v Speaker 1>So folks in these regions for years and years and

589
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.279
<v Speaker 1>years have been amazing hunters. And why a tool called

590
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:47.759
<v Speaker 1>an at lattle at a lattle, so.

591
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:52.599
<v Speaker 3>The in the original Nawak pronunciation at lattle would probably

592
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.799
<v Speaker 3>sound something like a A. That DL is called a

593
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:02.319
<v Speaker 3>voiceless lateral fricative in linguistics, which means that the sound

594
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:04.319
<v Speaker 3>is not made from your vocal cords. So if you

595
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.880
<v Speaker 3>made the TL sound, your vocal cords wouldn't vibrate. You

596
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.880
<v Speaker 3>can put your finger to your vocal cord and you

597
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 3>kind of see what sounds make a vibration or what

598
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.319
<v Speaker 3>sounds don't. So a sound like a T or like

599
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.240
<v Speaker 3>an S doesn't vibrate your your vocal cords, but something

600
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.359
<v Speaker 3>like an M definitely does vibrate your vocal cords. So

601
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.839
<v Speaker 3>that's the difference between voiceless and not voiceless. Lateral means

602
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:31.039
<v Speaker 3>that the air causing the sound is moving sideways around

603
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.599
<v Speaker 3>your tongue instead of coming straight out, it's coming out

604
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.880
<v Speaker 3>sideways in the back of your tongue, kind of around

605
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 3>your tongue. And then fricative means that the air is

606
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 3>kind of turbulating inside your mouth to make the noise.

607
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.960
<v Speaker 3>So it's this very strange sound. I don't know how

608
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.440
<v Speaker 3>well it's coming up on the mic, but okay. So

609
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 3>the TL it's the hallmark of the Nahwaq language. You

610
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 3>can see TL in all sorts of Nawak's words, like

611
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.079
<v Speaker 3>that salamander, the the axe, lottel ps.

612
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Personal side note, Once I got called out of second

613
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.599
<v Speaker 1>grade class by this nice lady who asked me to

614
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.599
<v Speaker 1>answer a few really stupid questions like what goes on

615
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>a pizza? Duh cheese? Okay, what travels down the railroad? Huh?

616
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:19.799
<v Speaker 1>You see a cutue train? Then for several months I

617
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.680
<v Speaker 1>had to report to a trailer near the playground to

618
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>relearn these frictive lateral lisps. And yes, I know that

619
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.319
<v Speaker 1>we need a speech pathology episode asap. I know I'm

620
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 1>on it. Anyway, I feel better about my phs now

621
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:34.960
<v Speaker 1>that I know that they're kind of like a sexy

622
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:38.480
<v Speaker 1>flourish in other languages. Also, buckle the frick up for

623
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<v Speaker 1>a tale that is like drunk history, only minus the

624
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<v Speaker 1>hot tubs and barfing. Who damn, this is a journey.

625
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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Boy howdy.

626
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<v Speaker 3>I want to give credit to one of my idols

627
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<v Speaker 3>in the archaeology world, Zelia Natal. She is one of

628
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<v Speaker 3>the most badass archaeologist of all time. Uh. I think

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<v Speaker 3>she's amazing. She was an Mexican Irish American born in

630
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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco to a Mexican American mom and an Irish dad.

631
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<v Speaker 3>She went to school in Europe met an anthropology student.

632
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.000
<v Speaker 3>I think he was like a Dutch. I think he

633
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:18.760
<v Speaker 3>was Dutch. A Dutch anthropology student. She would read his

634
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:22.599
<v Speaker 3>textbooks at night, taught herself anthropology. As a family trip

635
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:26.119
<v Speaker 3>they went to Mexico. She was so knowledgeable, especially about

636
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:29.440
<v Speaker 3>Mexican archaeology, because of her mom, who taught her some Nahwach.

637
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<v Speaker 3>She was able to do some of these early translations

638
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<v Speaker 3>and have a better understanding of the linguistic history of

639
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:41.159
<v Speaker 3>the Meshicu people in Mexico. She became one of the first,

640
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<v Speaker 3>if not the first, honorary professor at the National Museum

641
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<v Speaker 3>of Anthropology in Mexico City, and that was in like

642
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<v Speaker 3>eighteen eighty four, so like way before any college was

643
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:56.320
<v Speaker 3>admitting women. She was the pioneer. She did so well

644
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<v Speaker 3>with her post at the National Museum of Anthropology that

645
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<v Speaker 3>in eighteen eighty six she got hired by the Harvard

646
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<v Speaker 3>University Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology as a contributor

647
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:11.199
<v Speaker 3>for meso American archaeology. And while she was working with them,

648
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:15.880
<v Speaker 3>she moved to Europe again, where she spent like ten

649
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:22.719
<v Speaker 3>years in archives in libraries and she found previously lost

650
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:28.119
<v Speaker 3>Aztec and Zeppotech codeses or manuscripts or books that were

651
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.440
<v Speaker 3>shipped by the Spaniards back to Europe, thrown into a

652
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:33.559
<v Speaker 3>crate in the bottom of the library and forgotten about

653
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<v Speaker 3>for five hundred years.

654
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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, and she found two of them.

655
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<v Speaker 3>H There are only like a handful of these at

656
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<v Speaker 3>all for any of the mental American cultures, and like

657
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<v Speaker 3>a large proportion of them were found by her alone.

658
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:53.239
<v Speaker 3>So while she was studying all of these manuscripts in Europe,

659
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<v Speaker 3>the godfather of cultural anthropology, Edward Burnett Tyler, he wrote

660
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<v Speaker 3>this book Primitive Culture. It established cultural anthropology. Now, it

661
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:09.280
<v Speaker 3>definitely was not great because it assumed that Western culture

662
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:12.000
<v Speaker 3>was the pinnacle of human society and everyone else was

663
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.320
<v Speaker 3>behind to some degree, which obviously is something that modern

664
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<v Speaker 3>anthropologists archaologist completely reject as a model for human civilization.

665
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<v Speaker 3>But he has this quote, the Aztec civilization is the

666
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<v Speaker 3>highest known to have used the spear thrower, in reality

667
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:28.920
<v Speaker 3>a weapon of savagery. And we do not hear of

668
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:31.639
<v Speaker 3>the at lattle being in practical use at the conquest,

669
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<v Speaker 3>when it had apparently fallen out of disuse end quote.

670
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<v Speaker 1>Spear throwers, remember, are at lattles. So what this crusty

671
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:42.960
<v Speaker 1>old man was doing was shittuking at littles and the

672
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 1>people who use them, like, how dare now? Zelia and

673
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Tall was like, excuse me.

674
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<v Speaker 3>So she read that quote and he's basically saying because

675
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.960
<v Speaker 3>the Aztecs used the at laddle, they were like stupid

676
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:57.920
<v Speaker 3>savages because the rest of the world moved on to

677
00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 3>the bone arrow and they're the only ones left in

678
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:01.960
<v Speaker 3>the world that little which isn't true, but you know,

679
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.159
<v Speaker 3>at the time, that's what he thought. So she said,

680
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.119
<v Speaker 3>you know what, I'm going to write the first book

681
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 3>all about at lattles, and I went to prove him wrong.

682
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.760
<v Speaker 3>So in the opening paragraph she calls him out directly

683
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:17.440
<v Speaker 3>and says, like this will be a response to anybody

684
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.639
<v Speaker 3>who thinks that the Mexican people are stupid because we

685
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:21.360
<v Speaker 3>use a lattles. I'm going to show you how awesome

686
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:26.280
<v Speaker 3>they are. She wrote this crazy, amazing book in eighteen

687
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:30.400
<v Speaker 3>ninety one and it's basically the first ever academic study

688
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.119
<v Speaker 3>on the at lattles. And she looks at it not

689
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.960
<v Speaker 3>from like an experimental archaeology perspective, so she didn't make

690
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.159
<v Speaker 3>it a little She's never thrown in that lattle, but

691
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.920
<v Speaker 3>she looked at artistic depictions in those books that she

692
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:45.320
<v Speaker 3>found in other books that were published, literary descriptions and

693
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:50.599
<v Speaker 3>archaeological examples that were found, and she realized that at

694
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.719
<v Speaker 3>laddles were actually really well adapted for aquatic hunting, and

695
00:37:55.000 --> 00:38:03.039
<v Speaker 3>she connected the word at laddle to fishermen. Fishermen is atlakatl,

696
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:07.679
<v Speaker 3>which literally means watermen and tlaca means to aim or throw,

697
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.559
<v Speaker 3>So if you put those together, it's ak which is

698
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 3>literally water thrower. So that was her theory for where

699
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.440
<v Speaker 3>the word autlatto comes from. It's because it was used

700
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:20.000
<v Speaker 3>as a fishing weapon. It has this name associated with

701
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:25.079
<v Speaker 3>with water. And she also found descriptions of now Wa

702
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:28.559
<v Speaker 3>people and people in the Aztec religion explained that in

703
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:33.800
<v Speaker 3>their tradition there was a demigod named Oputli who invented

704
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:36.880
<v Speaker 3>the atlattle for fishing and taught it to the Meshica people.

705
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:41.679
<v Speaker 1>So Angelo says that according to indigenous culture, this weapon

706
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:46.239
<v Speaker 1>was considered to be handed down directly by the Meshika's

707
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>god of war for some deity approved ass kicking, and

708
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:54.199
<v Speaker 1>that no other weapon in the Aztec armory is described

709
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 1>with as much reverence as the atlattle. It's thought that

710
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.920
<v Speaker 1>only the upper tier of the military and noblemen and

711
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.760
<v Speaker 1>generals and the elite essentially royalty were even allowed to

712
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>use at Laddles, and they let the commoners use the

713
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:12.480
<v Speaker 1>peasant weapon, which was the bow and arrow. Oh it's

714
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:16.360
<v Speaker 1>petty and I love it. Also history, y'all, it's just

715
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>gossip that matters, and all it takes is someone who

716
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:24.119
<v Speaker 1>is willing to dish. Now, specifically about Zeli Anatol.

717
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:27.320
<v Speaker 3>The story gets crazier. I think somebody should make a

718
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.960
<v Speaker 3>movie about her, and they should consult me. Hint, hint,

719
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.039
<v Speaker 3>win quink. But so I just wanted to throw this

720
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<v Speaker 3>out because I think it's important to highlight especially like

721
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.599
<v Speaker 3>women of color in archaeology, especially this long ago, and

722
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:41.960
<v Speaker 3>so few people know about her, even archaeology students, that

723
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.280
<v Speaker 3>I just can't pass an opportunity to tell her full story.

724
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 3>After she wrote this thing about that at Laddle, which

725
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:50.119
<v Speaker 3>became very popular because it made so much sense, and

726
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.119
<v Speaker 3>she published a lot of pictures about it, she moved

727
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:56.559
<v Speaker 3>back to Mexico and she ran an excavation at the

728
00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Isla Desacrafios or the Island of Sacrifices. L colleague tried

729
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:04.119
<v Speaker 3>to steal credit from her for the excavation, of course,

730
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.599
<v Speaker 3>so she quit her post with the National Museum of Anthropology,

731
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.760
<v Speaker 3>published all of her notes and findings in an academic journal,

732
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:14.119
<v Speaker 3>which were so detailed it was so painfully obvious that

733
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.360
<v Speaker 3>she was the actual person who had figured out the

734
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:18.400
<v Speaker 3>site and excavated it that the other guy was fired

735
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:22.719
<v Speaker 3>in disgrace. No, she was like, oh, you're not going

736
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:24.440
<v Speaker 3>to respect me, and I'm going to I'm just going

737
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:27.159
<v Speaker 3>to quit and then disgrace you in an academic journal

738
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:29.159
<v Speaker 3>and show that you are a hack. And she did it.

739
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:34.440
<v Speaker 3>So then she got the attention of Phoebe Hurst, who

740
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:38.519
<v Speaker 3>was the mother of William Randolph Hurst, who runs the

741
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:40.320
<v Speaker 3>newspaper in New York, you know, one of the richest

742
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:45.360
<v Speaker 3>richest people in that time period. She becomes zealand Natal's patron,

743
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.760
<v Speaker 3>buying a house for her in Mexico City and funding

744
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:52.239
<v Speaker 3>all of her studies and excavations, with the agreement that

745
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<v Speaker 3>some of the material that Zelean and Taal would excavate

746
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:58.000
<v Speaker 3>would go back to the newly formed Phoebe Hurst Museum

747
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:03.960
<v Speaker 3>of Anthropology and Archaeology, UC Berkeley. So it all comes

748
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:06.800
<v Speaker 3>like full circle back to San Francisco, whereas le natal

749
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:11.280
<v Speaker 3>was born. She ends up advocating for indigenous rights in

750
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:15.239
<v Speaker 3>Mexico until she dies, and she convinces Mexico City to

751
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.800
<v Speaker 3>recognize March twelfth as as Tech New Year, Indigenous New Year,

752
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.320
<v Speaker 3>where it is still celebrated to this day by the

753
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:24.320
<v Speaker 3>Nahua people who still live in central and northern Mexico

754
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:26.239
<v Speaker 3>to this day. I think there's like one point two

755
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:28.480
<v Speaker 3>million now Off speakers still in Mexico. And she got

756
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:30.840
<v Speaker 3>it formally recognized by the government and it was celebrated

757
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.119
<v Speaker 3>in Mexico City the former site of North Street Line

758
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:35.840
<v Speaker 3>on March twelfth, nineteen twenty eight, for the first time

759
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:40.679
<v Speaker 3>since fifteen twenty when the conquest happened. I'm going it's

760
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.679
<v Speaker 3>going to crazy. And to this day, Mexico is known,

761
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.719
<v Speaker 3>out of all the meso American countries as a country

762
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:51.840
<v Speaker 3>that protects from a government perspective, they're archaeological sites. Really strictly,

763
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.199
<v Speaker 3>they're really good about protecting the sites and doing good

764
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:58.800
<v Speaker 3>research and having tourism. But a lot of people credit

765
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 3>her specifically for that because at the time, in the

766
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:06.119
<v Speaker 3>nineteen twenties in Mexico, there was a big push to

767
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:11.719
<v Speaker 3>ignore indigenous rights, but specifically ignore indigenous history of Mexico

768
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.199
<v Speaker 3>in favor of the Spanish history. So a lot of

769
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 3>people were rejecting that they were, you know, had any

770
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:20.400
<v Speaker 3>roots to indigenous Mexico at this time because a lot

771
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.760
<v Speaker 3>of people in Mexico thought that the key to their

772
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 3>acceptance on the global stage, as Mexico kind of has independence,

773
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:31.559
<v Speaker 3>is becoming you know, a country in a globalized world

774
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<v Speaker 3>in the nineteen twenties, that they felt that they would

775
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.599
<v Speaker 3>get further with Western countries if they rejected the indigenous

776
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.119
<v Speaker 3>background and just were like, yeah, we're Spandard European like

777
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:42.320
<v Speaker 3>you guys, where we can play in the global stage,

778
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.760
<v Speaker 3>because I mean, who do they have to look examples

779
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.800
<v Speaker 3>to the United States, which also ignored indigenous rights and

780
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.599
<v Speaker 3>culture and other places you know, around the world that

781
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:55.480
<v Speaker 3>have done terrible things to indigenous people. So they were

782
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:57.719
<v Speaker 3>just following the lead of the world superpowers at the time.

783
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.960
<v Speaker 3>And she said, no, we should embrace our indigenous heritage.

784
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.440
<v Speaker 3>We should cut indigenous voices. We should know, let indigenous

785
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.840
<v Speaker 3>people celebrate the holidays and recognize those holidays because that's

786
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.400
<v Speaker 3>what makes us unique. And if anyone tells you that

787
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:16.119
<v Speaker 3>a laddles are what make indigenous Mexicans stupid. Just refer

788
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:18.559
<v Speaker 3>them to me because I want to set them straight. Yeah,

789
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:22.679
<v Speaker 3>she's my hero as I'm Mexican American, as a Mexican

790
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:26.079
<v Speaker 3>American archaeology student, she is like just such an idol

791
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.159
<v Speaker 3>to me. Plus she's the first person to study at Lattle's.

792
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 3>She's like, she's my hero.

793
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm gonna cry. Are you gonna cry? Because I'm

794
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:35.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna cry. Also, by the way, if anyone needs to

795
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.239
<v Speaker 1>honor a badass with the great name for say their daughter,

796
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:43.400
<v Speaker 1>may I suggest Celia? I mean, come on. Also, let's

797
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:45.840
<v Speaker 1>finally talk to details about this tool or is it

798
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 1>a weapon? Okay, I look this up. All weapons are tools,

799
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:52.599
<v Speaker 1>but not all tools are weapons. So in this case

800
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<v Speaker 1>and at Lattle is a tool of attack or defense,

801
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 1>i e. It's weapon. Also, now that we have the

802
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:03.039
<v Speaker 1>rich be backstory, what is this thing in.

803
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<v Speaker 3>Terms of what is in that laddle? Okay? And that

804
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:13.440
<v Speaker 3>laddle is actually a Okay, it is a stick with

805
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.559
<v Speaker 3>a handle on one end and a hook on the

806
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.079
<v Speaker 3>other end that engages with the rear end of a dart,

807
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:25.000
<v Speaker 3>which is a long, thin, flexible wooden spear type thing

808
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:28.480
<v Speaker 3>that has a little dimple at the end behind the feathers.

809
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:32.199
<v Speaker 3>The spur of the at laddle or the hook engages

810
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:36.320
<v Speaker 3>with that knock and it propels the dart further and

811
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<v Speaker 3>harder than you could throwing it by hand. So the

812
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.760
<v Speaker 3>out ladder refers to just the throwing stick part itself. Oh,

813
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:48.239
<v Speaker 3>dart is the separate implement, So it's the atladdle in dart.

814
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:52.519
<v Speaker 3>Colloquially we just call the entire system in at laddle. Okay.

815
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.920
<v Speaker 3>The cool thing about at laddles is that they were

816
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.199
<v Speaker 3>used all over the world. And if we kind of

817
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:01.239
<v Speaker 3>go back to the earlier question of like the progression

818
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:05.599
<v Speaker 3>of human technology, the earliest at laddle's we have date

819
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.360
<v Speaker 3>to about twenty thousand years ago. In fact, it's seventeen thousand,

820
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 3>five hundred years is like the radiocarbon date that was

821
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 3>found in France. It was a lattle made out of antler,

822
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 3>and that's kind of after Neanderthals, that was all Homo sapiens. Now,

823
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 3>the thing is that at lattle use is theorized to

824
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:27.239
<v Speaker 3>go back as far as forty five thousand BCE, so

825
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.800
<v Speaker 3>quite a long time before that. And the way we

826
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<v Speaker 3>know this is because when you throw at laddle's. It

827
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<v Speaker 3>puts a lot of strain on your elbow and you

828
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:40.800
<v Speaker 3>develop in our threatus condition that bio archaeologists call at

829
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:41.639
<v Speaker 3>lattle elbow.

830
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

831
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:48.280
<v Speaker 3>So there is actually a skeleton from Australia that dates

832
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:50.800
<v Speaker 3>to forty two thousand years ago called the Mungo Man.

833
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:54.159
<v Speaker 1>Mungo Man side note is also referred to as LM

834
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:58.440
<v Speaker 1>three and was found laid out in a somewhat extravagant

835
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.400
<v Speaker 1>ceremonial burial. And he was thought to have been about

836
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:05.360
<v Speaker 1>fifty years old, which is like middle aged for us now,

837
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:09.119
<v Speaker 1>but heca old for back then and he stood around

838
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:13.039
<v Speaker 1>six foot five, which is unusually tall. So what else

839
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.800
<v Speaker 1>is interesting about this amazing man's remains?

840
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:21.880
<v Speaker 3>And he has extreme at lattle elbow in his right elbow,

841
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:25.360
<v Speaker 3>and it's theorized that that's because he was throwing an

842
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:27.960
<v Speaker 3>out laddle and that puts the at laddle to be

843
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:29.239
<v Speaker 3>about forty five thousand BCE.

844
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:30.119
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

845
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:35.840
<v Speaker 3>They at laddle is the first two part weapon system

846
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.719
<v Speaker 3>potentially two part tool system as well. Got a complex

847
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:43.079
<v Speaker 3>tool system ever invented by comminides So and to break

848
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:46.239
<v Speaker 3>that down, a compound tool is something that has two

849
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:48.679
<v Speaker 3>or more materials. So remember when I talked earlier about

850
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:51.159
<v Speaker 3>the hafting where you take the stone and you blew

851
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:54.480
<v Speaker 3>it onto the stick. So that's a compound tool. But

852
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.920
<v Speaker 3>then a complex tool is a tool that uses two

853
00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:01.519
<v Speaker 3>separate implements that are not like permanently attacked. So a

854
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 3>bow and arrow or an at laddle in dart, those

855
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 3>are complex tools. Okay, So the at laddle is or

856
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:10.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, the spear thrower of the at laddle is

857
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:15.559
<v Speaker 3>the oldest, potentially the oldest complex two part weaponar tool

858
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:20.440
<v Speaker 3>system ever invented. It's also the potentially the first weaponar

859
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:23.840
<v Speaker 3>tool system that was unique to the Homo sapien species

860
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:27.840
<v Speaker 3>because Neanderthals were using thrusting spears and potentially throwing spears,

861
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.599
<v Speaker 3>and the bow and arrow wouldn't be really invented for

862
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.480
<v Speaker 3>like another twenty thousand, thirty thousand years. So this was

863
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:37.880
<v Speaker 3>what kind of Homo sapien the human species brought to

864
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 3>the stage.

865
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Angelou said also that using tools allowed us to access

866
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:46.480
<v Speaker 1>more nutrition while expending fewer calories, and hunting with an

867
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.920
<v Speaker 1>at lattel uses way fewer calories than like chasing a

868
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:53.960
<v Speaker 1>deer for ten miles until it's just like fine. Now,

869
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:58.840
<v Speaker 1>those extra calories and possibly the fatty stuff from brains

870
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:03.840
<v Speaker 1>and bone marrow have enabled our ancestors to grow bigger brains,

871
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:08.280
<v Speaker 1>which allowed us to invent weapons and reality TV and

872
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:13.320
<v Speaker 1>finally global warming and nuclear existential risk, but also puppy

873
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.480
<v Speaker 1>calendars and coffee creamer, which is good.

874
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.239
<v Speaker 3>Potentially, it's the Homo sapiens ability to develop these complex

875
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:23.079
<v Speaker 3>tools that allowed them to kind of outlast and survive,

876
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:26.079
<v Speaker 3>and the Lattle is the first indication of this. So

877
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:30.480
<v Speaker 3>it is this really old universal weapon. Everybody in humanity

878
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:32.360
<v Speaker 3>is connected by their use of a outlattles because it

879
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.400
<v Speaker 3>was used by everybody. And we have found at lattle

880
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.559
<v Speaker 3>remains or at little evidence on every continant except for

881
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.159
<v Speaker 3>Africa and Antarctica. Now again that doesn't mean that they

882
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:43.039
<v Speaker 3>weren't used in Africa. It just means we haven't found

883
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 3>evidence of their use in Africa, but we have lots

884
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.000
<v Speaker 3>of evidence of the use, you know, in Asia and

885
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Europe and Australia and North America and South America.

886
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:56.360
<v Speaker 1>And do you think that they developed all from the

887
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:58.559
<v Speaker 1>kind of same source or do you think a lot

888
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.880
<v Speaker 1>of people on different continents thought, hey, what if I

889
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:04.559
<v Speaker 1>put a do hookie on the end of the sticky stick,

890
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and then I'm able to kill more stuff more efficiently

891
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.360
<v Speaker 1>from farther away.

892
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:17.880
<v Speaker 3>That's the big question that's really hard to tell. I'm

893
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:21.159
<v Speaker 3>not sure. There's no clear answer. It does seem like

894
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:24.360
<v Speaker 3>the use in North and South America is associated with

895
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:28.119
<v Speaker 3>a human migration across the Bearing Land Bridge around fifteen

896
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.400
<v Speaker 3>thousand BCE, So it seems like at lattle use wasn't

897
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:34.679
<v Speaker 3>developed independently in North and South America, but it was

898
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:38.920
<v Speaker 3>brought by the people who migrated over the Bearing Land Bridge.

899
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:41.760
<v Speaker 3>In terms of the rest of Europe and Asia, I

900
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:45.840
<v Speaker 3>am and Australia, I am not sure, and I don't

901
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.119
<v Speaker 3>think that's really been answered. Is how it spread. And

902
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 3>let's say it was started in one area and then

903
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 3>spread to other areas. There's two ways that could have happened.

904
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:57.400
<v Speaker 3>Either the people who developed it taught it to other people,

905
00:49:57.559 --> 00:49:59.360
<v Speaker 3>and then those people took it to their areas and

906
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.880
<v Speaker 3>taught it to other people. Or the original group who

907
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:06.519
<v Speaker 3>developed the at laddle broke off and they migrated to

908
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.679
<v Speaker 3>other areas, bringing out little use with them. So it's

909
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:12.760
<v Speaker 3>the difference between teaching and migrating. We're not entirely sure

910
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.360
<v Speaker 3>how it's spread. And that kind of goes for the

911
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:19.559
<v Speaker 3>bone arrow as well, which most estimates put the bone

912
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:24.159
<v Speaker 3>arrow as being invented around fifteen thousand BCE, so that's

913
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:28.079
<v Speaker 3>a full twenty thousand years after the at laddle was invented.

914
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's surprising to me that there's such a gap,

915
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:32.960
<v Speaker 1>such a huge gap.

916
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Now there is there is conflicting evidence that bows and

917
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:42.119
<v Speaker 3>arrows go back to forty thousand BCE as well, but

918
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:48.280
<v Speaker 3>that's fairly inconclusive evidence, so that's kind of a little

919
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:51.800
<v Speaker 3>bit questionable as well. We're not entirely sure, but it

920
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:56.280
<v Speaker 3>seems like bows came significantly after at laddles. Now, the

921
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:58.599
<v Speaker 3>thing about at laddles is that they are it's not

922
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:00.639
<v Speaker 3>just a stick that throws another stick. There's a lot

923
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:04.800
<v Speaker 3>of engineering that goes into it. So because you're extending

924
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Speaker 3>your arm by having this handle, you're increasing your leverage

925
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:12.079
<v Speaker 3>and you're also increasing your angular momentum at the tip

926
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:12.840
<v Speaker 3>of the tool.

927
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Y'all have been asking me for a physics episode, So

928
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:16.000
<v Speaker 1>here you go.

929
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.000
<v Speaker 3>And that transfers a lot more energy into the dart.

930
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.840
<v Speaker 3>The other thing is that you're propelling the dart from

931
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:27.039
<v Speaker 3>behind the center of gravity as opposed to throwing a javelin,

932
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:29.760
<v Speaker 3>where you're holding the javelin at the center of gravity.

933
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:32.400
<v Speaker 3>That means that you're able to with that laddle, you're

934
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:36.519
<v Speaker 3>able to put more energy into the entire dart system,

935
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:39.719
<v Speaker 3>which propels it further. So there's something about propelling something

936
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:42.199
<v Speaker 3>from behind a certain of gravity that works a lot better.

937
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.639
<v Speaker 3>If you think about a bone arrow, the bow string

938
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:48.599
<v Speaker 3>engages the rear of the arrow, propelling it from behind,

939
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:53.760
<v Speaker 3>just like in that laddle. Also, the most this is

940
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:55.599
<v Speaker 3>the number one thing that people get wrong when they

941
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:57.239
<v Speaker 3>try to make that laddle or they try to understand

942
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:57.920
<v Speaker 3>that the laddels.

943
00:51:57.960 --> 00:51:59.000
<v Speaker 1>This is the flint plan.

944
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:04.320
<v Speaker 3>The most kind of flim flam. Yeah, the most important

945
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:06.880
<v Speaker 3>part of the at lattle and dart system is the

946
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:08.360
<v Speaker 3>flexibility of the dart.

947
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Really, so it's got.

948
00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:14.039
<v Speaker 3>It's gotta go boil you annoying. And if you look

949
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:16.280
<v Speaker 3>at slow motion video, not even slow motion you just

950
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:19.000
<v Speaker 3>look at in person, you know, real speed video. Because

951
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:20.760
<v Speaker 3>the darts are so long, you can see the flex

952
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:24.400
<v Speaker 3>happen in real time. We're talking six to eight inches

953
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.079
<v Speaker 3>of flex while it's flying, which is a lot.

954
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I've seen footage and it really wobbles, and you're like, shit,

955
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:33.239
<v Speaker 1>is that okay? And it is by design.

956
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.840
<v Speaker 3>And without the flex. If you try to throw up

957
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:41.599
<v Speaker 3>a stiff spear with an at laddle, the spear would

958
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:44.519
<v Speaker 3>fishtail in the air because all the energy going into

959
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:47.320
<v Speaker 3>the rear of the dart needs to go somewhere, and

960
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:49.360
<v Speaker 3>the tip of the dart kind of resists motion because

961
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:51.760
<v Speaker 3>of Newton's laws, So all that energy used to go somewhere,

962
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.360
<v Speaker 3>and eventually the tip starts raising. And what happens is

963
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:57.880
<v Speaker 3>you flick the rear of the dart underneath the spear,

964
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.360
<v Speaker 3>which causes it to fish tail in the air. And

965
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:03.960
<v Speaker 3>that laddle dart, on the other hand, flexes while you're throwing,

966
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:07.320
<v Speaker 3>so right as you're about to throw, the dart flexes,

967
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:11.559
<v Speaker 3>storing the energy, keeping the point straight on target. And

968
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:15.599
<v Speaker 3>then that flex releases as you finish flicking the laddle,

969
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.760
<v Speaker 3>which causes it to flex in the air but stay

970
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:23.000
<v Speaker 3>on target the whole way. At laddle darts are thicker

971
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.840
<v Speaker 3>in the front than they are in the rear, which

972
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:28.679
<v Speaker 3>means there's a taper, a very smooth taper, usually from

973
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.000
<v Speaker 3>about half inch at the tip half inch in diameter

974
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:33.800
<v Speaker 3>to the tip to three eighths inch diameter at the feathers,

975
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:37.400
<v Speaker 3>at the fletchings, there's more flex happening on the feather

976
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:39.639
<v Speaker 3>end than there is at the tip end, which means

977
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.119
<v Speaker 3>the tip stays on target and the rest of the

978
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:44.280
<v Speaker 3>dart flexes around the tip.

979
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that is you can imagine physics.

980
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:50.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's sold physics. And you can imagine if the

981
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:53.239
<v Speaker 3>dart is an even diameter across the whole thing, as

982
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, if there's not a taper, that means that

983
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:57.440
<v Speaker 3>the majority of the flex is going to be at

984
00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:59.599
<v Speaker 3>the middle of the dart. It's going to flex up

985
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:03.239
<v Speaker 3>and down. But that means that both the tip and

986
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:06.320
<v Speaker 3>the feathers are going to flex six to eight inches

987
00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:09.119
<v Speaker 3>around the target, which that could be the difference between

988
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:10.960
<v Speaker 3>it a hit and a miss if you're trying to hunt.

989
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:14.039
<v Speaker 1>And then what is the arrow point? What like, what

990
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:18.079
<v Speaker 1>are what types of materials or the tip?

991
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:23.440
<v Speaker 3>So definitely to get to this specialized you need to

992
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:25.559
<v Speaker 3>use one of those good stones that I talked about earlier,

993
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:29.000
<v Speaker 3>so flint hirt or obsidian. That's basically it.

994
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Obsidian he told me cand get sharp. But how thin

995
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:34.679
<v Speaker 1>is this razor's edge.

996
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:39.079
<v Speaker 3>Obsidian does get to a sharpness level on a molecular

997
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:42.599
<v Speaker 3>level that's unknown to any other technology that humans have created.

998
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:46.360
<v Speaker 3>It's it's like ten times sharper than surgical steel, which

999
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.840
<v Speaker 3>is crazy to even think about. Yeah, the problem is

1000
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:54.400
<v Speaker 3>obsidian is very brittle, so it's good for it's very sharp,

1001
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:58.639
<v Speaker 3>but it breaks very quickly. Flint and chirt are not

1002
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:01.719
<v Speaker 3>as sharp, but that are much more durable, So there's

1003
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:05.679
<v Speaker 3>a trade off between the two. And when you're using

1004
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:10.360
<v Speaker 3>an obsidian point on a tool like an arrow or

1005
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:14.360
<v Speaker 3>a spearhead or that Lottle point, that tool isn't necessarily

1006
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:20.800
<v Speaker 3>that molecular sharp because you would purposely effectively dull the

1007
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.519
<v Speaker 3>edge to make it more durable. It's still very sharp,

1008
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:29.559
<v Speaker 3>but it's not that like molecular level sharp. They would

1009
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:33.639
<v Speaker 3>use molecular level sharpness obsidian tools for other purposes, but

1010
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:37.920
<v Speaker 3>not necessarily for projectile points because they're too weak those tools.

1011
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:40.719
<v Speaker 3>It's a process called flint napping, and it's the process

1012
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:45.559
<v Speaker 3>of making small chips or flakes out of a crystalline

1013
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:48.679
<v Speaker 3>silica rock like flint, chirt, or obsidian, in order to

1014
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:51.920
<v Speaker 3>make tools in a specific shape or pattern. Personally with

1015
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:55.800
<v Speaker 3>flint napping, I always have issue. I can either get

1016
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:57.800
<v Speaker 3>the tool really sharp or I can get the tool

1017
00:55:57.920 --> 00:55:59.880
<v Speaker 3>in the right shape, but it's really hard to get

1018
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:04.000
<v Speaker 3>both sharp and in the right shape. So that's kind

1019
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:05.920
<v Speaker 3>of what I'm working on right now. I practice fortnapping

1020
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:08.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot, but that's generally what the tips would be

1021
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 3>made out of. Out of those three materials, and even

1022
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:15.199
<v Speaker 3>sometimes like one group would use you know, two or

1023
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:17.119
<v Speaker 3>three different types of materials to make their points, depending

1024
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:18.599
<v Speaker 3>on what they had access to. Oh, I think it's

1025
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.679
<v Speaker 3>important to note that, you know, at lattels were called

1026
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.719
<v Speaker 3>different things with different people, So specifically in Australia they

1027
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:27.360
<v Speaker 3>call them wamras. Instead of being like a six five

1028
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.719
<v Speaker 3>or six foot at lattle dark, they would use seven

1029
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:33.400
<v Speaker 3>or nine foot at little darts. They're really really long

1030
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:36.880
<v Speaker 3>and heavy, and they would use really long womras, which

1031
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:38.920
<v Speaker 3>is what they called their at laddles. And the cool

1032
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:42.280
<v Speaker 3>thing about Australian wumras is that they're like a Swiss

1033
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:46.400
<v Speaker 3>army knife. They would actually attached with glue a knife

1034
00:56:46.639 --> 00:56:49.159
<v Speaker 3>like an obsidian or a flint knife into the handle

1035
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:53.320
<v Speaker 3>to use like as a knife. The at lattel itself

1036
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:55.960
<v Speaker 3>is very differently shaped. Instead of being a stick, it's

1037
00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:58.280
<v Speaker 3>more of like this cup or bowl shape that's really

1038
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:01.480
<v Speaker 3>really big and rounded. They could use that to collect berries.

1039
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:05.000
<v Speaker 3>They would paint maps on the inside of their of

1040
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.239
<v Speaker 3>their womeras, and they would even put notches in the

1041
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.320
<v Speaker 3>womeras to make friction fires. So with one womera and

1042
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:13.679
<v Speaker 3>one at little or one dart, you're basically set to

1043
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:16.000
<v Speaker 3>go to survive the Australian out back. It had everything

1044
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:16.400
<v Speaker 3>you needed.

1045
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that is so genius. Ten out of

1046
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:23.800
<v Speaker 1>ten would buy on impulse at Arii.

1047
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:31.039
<v Speaker 3>So genius at lattos are are pretty terrifying. They because

1048
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:33.039
<v Speaker 3>you're thinking, like, okay, well handthlon sphere compared to a

1049
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:37.239
<v Speaker 3>bone arrow, what's the damage difference here? Well, a bone

1050
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.400
<v Speaker 3>arrow an arrow is lighter and it travels faster, and

1051
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.599
<v Speaker 3>a little dart is heavier, still travels fast, but doesn't

1052
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:46.320
<v Speaker 3>travel as fast, so there's a trade off. But the

1053
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:49.239
<v Speaker 3>impact force of an outlattle dart is big enough to

1054
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:51.079
<v Speaker 3>take down a wooly mammoth because that's what they were

1055
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:55.440
<v Speaker 3>used for North America, specifically the Clovis people, where that

1056
00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:59.039
<v Speaker 3>kind of Clovis culture was in Canada and in northeastern

1057
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:02.639
<v Speaker 3>the United States about thirteen thousand years ago, and they

1058
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.960
<v Speaker 3>used at lottles to hunt mammoth. Modern tests with at

1059
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:12.239
<v Speaker 3>laddles have found that they can reach speeds at little

1060
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:16.159
<v Speaker 3>darts can reach speeds around eighty miles per hour and

1061
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:20.519
<v Speaker 3>the world record, yeah, crazy fast. The world record for

1062
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:24.639
<v Speaker 3>not lattle throw in terms of distance is two hundred

1063
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:27.360
<v Speaker 3>and I think it's two hundred and sixty meters, which

1064
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:31.000
<v Speaker 3>is eight hundred and fifty feet, So you're talking almost

1065
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:32.960
<v Speaker 3>three full football fields.

1066
00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:34.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.

1067
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:39.320
<v Speaker 3>But modern at lattle users part of the world at

1068
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:41.840
<v Speaker 3>Little Association, which I'm on the board of directors of,

1069
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:46.000
<v Speaker 3>we host competitions and there are people who can nail

1070
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:50.599
<v Speaker 3>a six inch a six to eight inch target at

1071
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:54.920
<v Speaker 3>twenty meters, which is you know, it's almost almost seventy feet. Yeah,

1072
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:57.000
<v Speaker 3>with like ninety five percent accuracy.

1073
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:00.840
<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable. How much practice does that take, as someone who

1074
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:05.039
<v Speaker 1>throws at ales at lottles, pardon how much practice does

1075
00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:07.440
<v Speaker 1>that take to get that kind of precision.

1076
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:14.320
<v Speaker 3>I've been throwing at laddles for almost I'm trying to

1077
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:16.119
<v Speaker 3>think I've been throwing at lottles for like seven or

1078
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:18.119
<v Speaker 3>eight years. But I've been studying at Lattles for ten

1079
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.159
<v Speaker 3>or eleven years, and I'm still not at that accuracy level.

1080
00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:26.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm decent. When I've competed in the youth division, I

1081
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:28.840
<v Speaker 3>did pretty well, but now that I'm in the adult division,

1082
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:31.519
<v Speaker 3>I do pretty terribly. But some of these guys have

1083
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:36.480
<v Speaker 3>been throwing for twenty thirty forty years and they are

1084
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:41.920
<v Speaker 3>they're like they're like ancient sniper's. It's pretty incredible. They

1085
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.760
<v Speaker 3>will literally nail the smallest of targets from impossible distances.

1086
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Most people with a bone arrow aren't able to have

1087
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:55.000
<v Speaker 3>that level of accuracy. Spaniards wrote that at Lattle darts

1088
00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:58.360
<v Speaker 3>could go through chain mail, and modern tests have proven

1089
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:01.599
<v Speaker 3>that at Lattle darts will go through chain mail. Even

1090
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:04.920
<v Speaker 3>even these European conquisisors who had never seen that laddle

1091
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:07.960
<v Speaker 3>before because Europe stopped using that laddle like fifteen thousand

1092
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:13.079
<v Speaker 3>years prior. They're seeing tens of thousands of Mexican and

1093
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Aztec soldiers throwing a rain cloud of darts that are

1094
01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:22.400
<v Speaker 3>flying at eighty miles an hour with giant obsidian razor

1095
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:27.440
<v Speaker 3>sharp broadheads on them, coming from one hundred to two

1096
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:31.079
<v Speaker 3>hundred feet away. It's terrifying. They were terrified of the

1097
01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:34.239
<v Speaker 3>laddle more than almost any other weapon because they had

1098
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:38.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, even their archers weren't that powerful. So that

1099
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:41.239
<v Speaker 3>I think that's really interesting that they just wrote about

1100
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:43.079
<v Speaker 3>how terrified they were of about Lotte's and I would

1101
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:44.639
<v Speaker 3>be terrified as well if I was on a receiving

1102
01:00:44.719 --> 01:00:45.960
<v Speaker 3>end one of these things.

1103
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think any type of culture stopped using them?

1104
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.639
<v Speaker 3>Okay, great question. I totally forgot to bring that out,

1105
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:59.880
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, a couple things. So, laddles were developed during

1106
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:02.920
<v Speaker 3>the Pleistocene, which is the Ice Age, and they, like

1107
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:05.639
<v Speaker 3>I mentioned, they were really used to hunt big Ice

1108
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:10.159
<v Speaker 3>Age megafauna, so like giant ground sloths, wooly mammoth, stuff

1109
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:13.920
<v Speaker 3>like that. Also, during the plisis scene, because it was

1110
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:17.199
<v Speaker 3>so cold, a lot of the world, especially in a

1111
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:20.199
<v Speaker 3>lot of the Northern Hemisphere, was like more of a

1112
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:23.719
<v Speaker 3>tundra than it was a forest. So the aladdo kind

1113
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:28.880
<v Speaker 3>of works well in this open environment because the throwing

1114
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:33.800
<v Speaker 3>motion is what I like to call visually loud. It's

1115
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:35.880
<v Speaker 3>not you know, it doesn't make a noise, but it's

1116
01:01:35.920 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 3>a big motion, whereas with a bone arrow you can

1117
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:41.840
<v Speaker 3>the motion to release an arrow is just releasing your

1118
01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:44.679
<v Speaker 3>fingers and it makes almost no movement at all. So

1119
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:48.559
<v Speaker 3>as the Ice age ended, animals got smaller and more

1120
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:52.719
<v Speaker 3>skittish like deer, and humans were hunting in more densely

1121
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:57.800
<v Speaker 3>wooded areas, which makes swinging a big atladdle really difficult.

1122
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:01.079
<v Speaker 3>And also the throwing, the swinging motion of the at

1123
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:04.320
<v Speaker 3>lattle potentially could scare the deer before the atlatto could

1124
01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:04.599
<v Speaker 3>reach it.

1125
01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1126
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:07.440
<v Speaker 3>That kind of begs the question, Okay, well, then why

1127
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:11.280
<v Speaker 3>did at lattle use stay in North and South America

1128
01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:13.800
<v Speaker 3>as long as it did. For the Aztecs. It might

1129
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.039
<v Speaker 3>be because of that religious reason. They just they stuck

1130
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:18.440
<v Speaker 3>with it because they felt that a strong religious connection

1131
01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:21.639
<v Speaker 3>to it. But other areas, you know, didn't really develop

1132
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:23.760
<v Speaker 3>the boat arrow until a lot later, and they were

1133
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:27.119
<v Speaker 3>still using specifically in the American Southwest, which is where

1134
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:31.559
<v Speaker 3>I am. We're using at Laddle's you know, up until

1135
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:37.159
<v Speaker 3>well up until about like fifty BCE because kind of

1136
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 3>when the boat starts being developed maybe a little bit

1137
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:42.440
<v Speaker 3>earlier than that, but at Lattle's dominated in these desert

1138
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:44.920
<v Speaker 3>environments because they were a little bit more open kind

1139
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:46.480
<v Speaker 3>of like how the tundra was open, and they would

1140
01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:49.599
<v Speaker 3>use them to hunt bighorn sheep. Right where I near

1141
01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:51.760
<v Speaker 3>where I lived in Las Vegas is a place called

1142
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:54.280
<v Speaker 3>Valley of Fire State Park. And there's a place called

1143
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:57.360
<v Speaker 3>at Lattle Rock. And it's called at Laddle Rock because

1144
01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:01.119
<v Speaker 3>at the top of the cliff there are pictographs and

1145
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.320
<v Speaker 3>Petrick I'm sorry, Petrick cliffs of at Laddles that are

1146
01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:07.840
<v Speaker 3>about like two thousand year old Petrick Cliffs now. And

1147
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:10.360
<v Speaker 3>the colding is that the at Laddles are so perfect.

1148
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:12.079
<v Speaker 3>It's almost like they held up in that lattle and

1149
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:14.320
<v Speaker 3>traced it into the rock. Like they even show the

1150
01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:15.639
<v Speaker 3>darts with the feathers and everything.

1151
01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:19.039
<v Speaker 1>So this might even be up to four thousand years old.

1152
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:22.480
<v Speaker 1>And I looked up photos and in this red rocked

1153
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Southern Nevada landscape, up a steep, winding steel staircase to

1154
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:32.679
<v Speaker 1>the top of a deep ochre desert boulder formation is

1155
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:35.519
<v Speaker 1>what looks to be graffiti etched in rock. But it's

1156
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:39.039
<v Speaker 1>this beautiful line art of antelopes and targets and a

1157
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:42.800
<v Speaker 1>long dart and boom and at Laddle with two little

1158
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.840
<v Speaker 1>finger holes. More on that in a minute. Also, some

1159
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:50.320
<v Speaker 1>absolute dick hole with the initials BBC added to this art,

1160
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:53.119
<v Speaker 1>and I hope they burn their tongue on hot soup.

1161
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm sorry. I'm really mad. Also, at this

1162
01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:59.440
<v Speaker 1>point in making the episode, I wanted to just bail

1163
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:02.880
<v Speaker 1>and last Bonjobi through the warm August air until I

1164
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:05.880
<v Speaker 1>arrived in this desert in the valley of Nevada fire

1165
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:08.960
<v Speaker 1>to stare at this rock, which is just proof positive

1166
01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:11.159
<v Speaker 1>that an ologist can make you fall in love with

1167
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:14.159
<v Speaker 1>an obscure tool that you just never knew existed. Now

1168
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:18.000
<v Speaker 1>in the Southwest and into Mexico, at lettles had some

1169
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:18.880
<v Speaker 1>special features.

1170
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:21.199
<v Speaker 3>They actually switched up the grip. Instead of holding that

1171
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:24.119
<v Speaker 3>a laddle like a hammer, they would create these fingerholes

1172
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:25.960
<v Speaker 3>to put their fingers through and kind of hold it

1173
01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:30.840
<v Speaker 3>with this upturned hand. Turns out that reduces the elbow

1174
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:36.239
<v Speaker 3>strain that causes because you can imagine if you got

1175
01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:39.000
<v Speaker 3>if you got atlattle elbow and you can't hunt anymore. Yeah,

1176
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:42.239
<v Speaker 3>that's it. That's game over. Yeah, So they developed different

1177
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.599
<v Speaker 3>throwing style in order to prevent that at Lattle elbow.

1178
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:52.440
<v Speaker 3>They also developed compound darts that had detachable foreshafts. So

1179
01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:55.719
<v Speaker 3>the idea behind these were you have like a five

1180
01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:58.280
<v Speaker 3>foot main shaft with the feathers, and then you have

1181
01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:00.679
<v Speaker 3>like a one foot fore shaft at actually has the

1182
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:03.440
<v Speaker 3>obsidian point in it. The fore shaft goes into the

1183
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:06.000
<v Speaker 3>main shaft. You throw that at a bighorn sheep. When

1184
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:08.760
<v Speaker 3>it hits the bighorn sheep, the hope is that the

1185
01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:12.440
<v Speaker 3>main shaft pops out, leaving the fore shaft in, because

1186
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:15.280
<v Speaker 3>if the bighorn sheep ran with that big six or

1187
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:17.400
<v Speaker 3>long shaft still attached, it would hit a tree and

1188
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:18.960
<v Speaker 3>break and then there goes all your hard work.

1189
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:20.039
<v Speaker 4>Oh man.

1190
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:24.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that allowed humans to go collect the main shaft,

1191
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:26.840
<v Speaker 3>put on a new point, and throw it again. So

1192
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:29.480
<v Speaker 3>hunters only needed to carry one or two main shafts

1193
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:31.599
<v Speaker 3>and then carry a small pouch of like five or

1194
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:32.679
<v Speaker 3>six foreshafts.

1195
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Genius. That is genius. So think of a fancy quill

1196
01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:42.360
<v Speaker 1>pen with a bunch of different nibs. Also, some anthropologists

1197
01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:45.760
<v Speaker 1>postulate that this was the first ever complex use of

1198
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the phrase just the tip. That's not true.

1199
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:52.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And we call that a basket maker style. At Lattle.

1200
01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:57.159
<v Speaker 3>It was very very common about fifteen hundred BCE in

1201
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:03.119
<v Speaker 3>central and southern Nevada, northern Arizona, southern Colorado and kind

1202
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:06.800
<v Speaker 3>of that Four Corners area. The basketmaker people would eventually

1203
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:10.480
<v Speaker 3>become the ancestral Pabloan people who eventually became what we

1204
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:12.599
<v Speaker 3>now know is like the Hopie and the Zuni Publo

1205
01:06:13.280 --> 01:06:17.039
<v Speaker 3>Publo indigenous people of the Four Corners area. So it

1206
01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:19.519
<v Speaker 3>has this rich, long history in this area, and this

1207
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:23.719
<v Speaker 3>basket maker style actually shows up all over the Southwest,

1208
01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:27.320
<v Speaker 3>and because of the aridity of the desert here, we

1209
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:30.599
<v Speaker 3>find more intact at lattles in the American Southwest than

1210
01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:32.800
<v Speaker 3>we do anywhere else in the world. In fact, the

1211
01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:37.159
<v Speaker 3>most intact at lattle ever found is the broken Roof

1212
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Cave at Laddle, who's found in the nineteen twenties or

1213
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:42.599
<v Speaker 3>thirties in Arizona.

1214
01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:45.039
<v Speaker 1>Ps I look this up and it's right near the

1215
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Utah border, and it's got this kicky name because rocks

1216
01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:53.239
<v Speaker 1>just literally would rain down on researchers as they excavated

1217
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:57.320
<v Speaker 1>things like burial sites and human remains. But also in

1218
01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:01.320
<v Speaker 1>at Laddle with some darts, and despite being thousands of

1219
01:07:01.400 --> 01:07:04.920
<v Speaker 1>years old, it's beautifully preserved. It's made out of oak

1220
01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:08.480
<v Speaker 1>with hide finger loops and a nice dainty little curve

1221
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:08.960
<v Speaker 1>to it.

1222
01:07:09.039 --> 01:07:11.639
<v Speaker 3>And you can find pictures of it online. Broken roof

1223
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:15.079
<v Speaker 3>Cave at Laddle. It is absolutely gorgeous. It still has

1224
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:18.960
<v Speaker 3>the leather finger loops intact, it has all the weights intact,

1225
01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:23.280
<v Speaker 3>the spurns carved beautifully. It's incredible. And we just find

1226
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:26.400
<v Speaker 3>artifacts like that in the Southwest because it's so dry,

1227
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:29.039
<v Speaker 3>things preserve a lot longer. And the cool thing is

1228
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:31.760
<v Speaker 3>that that throwing style with the finger loops and stuff

1229
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:35.199
<v Speaker 3>we find as far south as the Yuka Ten Peninsula

1230
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:38.480
<v Speaker 3>in Mexico. Whether it was spread by people or whether

1231
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:41.920
<v Speaker 3>it was developed independently. Either way, the longest users of

1232
01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:45.519
<v Speaker 3>at Laddle's developed this throwing style that prevented that at

1233
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Little Elbow. And the last thing I want to mention

1234
01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:50.519
<v Speaker 3>before you too Patreon questions. I know, I'm so sorry.

1235
01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Obsession is contagious, so lay it on me. I'm ready.

1236
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:59.039
<v Speaker 3>This is a crazy thing. It was an experiment archaeology

1237
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:01.239
<v Speaker 3>project that I got to be a part of involving

1238
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:05.920
<v Speaker 3>at Lattles and it involves the multi civilization of Peru.

1239
01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:10.079
<v Speaker 3>So the multi civilization were around between like one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and seven hundred CE before the Incan Empire, like well

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<v Speaker 3>before the Incan Empire and they used at lattels a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's this guy, Christopher Donnan. He's an archaeology professor

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<v Speaker 3>at UCLA and he has been the expert on the

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<v Speaker 3>Multra civilization for like thirty years, like he studied it

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<v Speaker 3>more than anyone else. And he found a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>these pots that have paintings on the pot of people

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<v Speaker 3>throwing at laddles at some aerial target. And he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>really understand what it was. And the atlattles look weird.

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<v Speaker 3>They have these weird wooden cross pegs. Didn't understand it.

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<v Speaker 3>So he took it to the world at lott of

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<v Speaker 3>Association and he said, hey, what do you guys think

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<v Speaker 3>this is? And we spent the next year redeveloping the

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<v Speaker 3>Mulchitas game. And basically what it is is there's a

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<v Speaker 3>giant turkey feather shuttleclock that's attached for lattle dart. Throw

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<v Speaker 3>that into the air and it flies like fifty, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>fifty feet in the air. Because it's a big turkey

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<v Speaker 3>feather shuttlecock, it kind of floats in the air. Everyone

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<v Speaker 3>else have that laddle darts that have these wooden cross

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<v Speaker 3>pegs on it that we throw at the shuttlecock as

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<v Speaker 3>it's falling, and the cross pegs engage with a string

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<v Speaker 3>that's on the shuttlecock tangles the string and pulls it down.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's like it's like two thousand year old trap

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<v Speaker 3>shooting with that laddle. It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>My gosh, how do you make sure you don't bone

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<v Speaker 1>each other in the face with them?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Oh yeah, well, we have all these safety protocols.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone lines up and throws in the same direction, so

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<v Speaker 3>there's nobody down range. But if you look up Mochitas

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<v Speaker 3>on YouTube, there's actually a video of the World Little

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<v Speaker 3>Association doing the Multitas experiment side by side with the

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<v Speaker 3>paintings from the multi Civilization. It's a really cool video

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<v Speaker 3>because it's like expremental archaeology in action. We have this

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<v Speaker 3>picture of this ritual we don't understand. Well, let's try

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<v Speaker 3>to figure it out. And we try to figure it out,

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<v Speaker 3>and it seems to have worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I looked at video of this and it involves

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<v Speaker 1>one at lattle dart with a bouquet of stripey brown

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<v Speaker 1>feathers on the end and a long string wound around

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<v Speaker 1>the shaft, and then once it's launched, a row of

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<v Speaker 1>like ten other at Little Darts, go Boy Young after

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<v Speaker 1>it to see who can snag the string and how

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<v Speaker 1>bananas that this was all the rage and then was

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<v Speaker 1>just buried under millennia waiting to be re enacted.

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<v Speaker 3>And now the Mulchitoss is a at Lattel competition that's

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<v Speaker 3>part of almost every Atlattle tournament, every major out Littel

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<v Speaker 3>tournament was one of the four main events of out

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<v Speaker 3>Little tournaments when the WAA hosts host them.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's like and it's like the closest

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<v Speaker 1>thing to having a time machine pretty much.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, basically, I mean it felt so cool to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to be part of this process of figuring out

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<v Speaker 3>how this worked out. And again I didn't even when

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<v Speaker 3>I was doing the experiment. I didn't really fully appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>it until I saw the video after and it had

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<v Speaker 3>those side by side comparisons and it was like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my gosh, we nailed it. We totally nailed it, nailed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So now it's time for Angelo, your favorite experimental archaeologist,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get to a few Patreon questions in this whirlwind

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<v Speaker 1>exploration of ancient tools. First question, this was asked by

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<v Speaker 1>Ryley mckinnis, Joshua Read Britney Panos Sarah Kulig. Essentially, one

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<v Speaker 1>want to know, they need to know. Do you play

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<v Speaker 1>Dungeons and Dragons and what class wouldn't at Little play

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<v Speaker 1>as and what would be its cost in gold pieces?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you play D and D? Yeah, your nay?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't play D. I don't play D and D. However,

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<v Speaker 3>I stocked Patreon questions ahead of time and I prepared

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<v Speaker 3>an answer for this question. Because I knew it's the

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<v Speaker 3>only one I wouldn't be able to answer off the top.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Oh my goshold I pay, I'm such a dick.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't know. I don't know all the

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<v Speaker 3>classes and stuff, but I will give what I think

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<v Speaker 3>the stats for an atlatto would be in comparison to

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<v Speaker 3>a sphere of javelin in a bow, because there are

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<v Speaker 3>scientific studies comparing the four weapons. If we refer to

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<v Speaker 3>a nineteen eighty six study by a non raiment about

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<v Speaker 3>the effect of at loattle weights and force comparisons between

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<v Speaker 3>bows and at laddle's and sphears and javelins, he found

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<v Speaker 3>that the range for aut lattle would be in between

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<v Speaker 3>a hand thrown spear slash, javelin and a bow. He

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<v Speaker 3>also found that at lattle darks are are slower than

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<v Speaker 3>bows and arrows, but have double the kinetic energy of

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<v Speaker 3>self bows and longbows. Oh okay, bows aren't better across

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<v Speaker 3>the board, but they're faster and wireless body movement, so

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<v Speaker 3>they wouldn't scare pray as much. So basically, whatever you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure bows and javelins are used in D and D.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure, but if they are you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>look for something that has the range between a javelin

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<v Speaker 3>and a bow, but double the impact force and damage

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<v Speaker 3>potential of a bone arrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice? Okay, D and d ers now have an answer

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<v Speaker 1>for that. Perfect How many gold pieces? Let's just say five?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't play d sure, fine, fine, five okay, Jen

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<v Speaker 1>Woods first time question asker asked if I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>make one of these, how would I go about it?

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<v Speaker 1>And is that a good idea or a terrible one?

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<v Speaker 1>And side note Jen has done throwing knives and ax

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<v Speaker 1>as in archery, so maybe those skills would overlap. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Viddie pong to know. If I was marooned on

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<v Speaker 1>an island that had game, animals and trees, how reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>would it be for me to attempt to fashion myself

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<v Speaker 1>and at lattle and hunt with it before starving to death?

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<v Speaker 3>Great questions. At Laddles are way easier to make than

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<v Speaker 3>bows and arrows. Okay, I was traded on deserted island,

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<v Speaker 3>I would make myself in that lattle. Bows You have

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<v Speaker 3>to make bowstring, you have to find the right wood,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to shape the wood correctly. There's so much

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<v Speaker 3>Bose are way more complicated and if you're in a

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<v Speaker 3>survival situation, you don't have the time to make a

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<v Speaker 3>bow at Laddles are a lot easier to make. Now

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean that lattles are easy to make, they're just

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<v Speaker 3>drastically easier to make and more reliable to make, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, in that situation, So making that

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<v Speaker 3>little great idea. Regardless of survival situation, everyone should make

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<v Speaker 3>that little It's a lot of fun. They're pretty easy

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<v Speaker 3>to make, especially if you're not going to do like

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<v Speaker 3>a traditional method or make it out of stone tools.

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<v Speaker 3>Just buy stuff at home depot, no big deal. The

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<v Speaker 3>at laddle itself is the easy part. You can, you know, effectively,

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<v Speaker 3>just a wood in two by four that you can

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<v Speaker 3>hold comfortably with a nail in it or some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of wooden peg as the hook. That's all you need

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<v Speaker 3>for the laddle. The dart is the hard part. You

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<v Speaker 3>need to have a dart that's flexible enough. When I

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<v Speaker 3>made my first out laddle, I was maybe like eleven

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<v Speaker 3>years old or something like that, eleven or twelve, so

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<v Speaker 3>I was a lot smaller, and what I would use

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<v Speaker 3>was four foot wooden dowels that were quarter inch diameter.

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<v Speaker 3>I would make my own duct tape fletchings for the feathers,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would tie a bunch of duct tape to

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<v Speaker 3>the tip to make it front heavy, to give it

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<v Speaker 3>enough weight, because I wasn't gonna put an actual, like

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<v Speaker 3>metal tip on there. My parents were crazy enough to

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<v Speaker 3>let an eleven year old make ancient weapons lgorad, were

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<v Speaker 3>not crazy enough for me to actually to let me

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<v Speaker 3>actually put real tips on them, which is good on

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<v Speaker 3>their part, to be honest. So yeah, so that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I did. And those quarter inch dowels are definitely like

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<v Speaker 3>flexible enough, they would work pretty well. If you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to make them just sound like out of a stick,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna want to dry the stick out, peel away

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<v Speaker 3>all the bark, heat the stick over a fire. When

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<v Speaker 3>you heat something wood over fire, you can actually bend it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really pliable. You'd be surprised how pliable wood is

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<v Speaker 3>when it gets hot. And so that's how you would

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<v Speaker 3>straighten it. And both ancient times and now you straightened

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<v Speaker 3>with the same way. So you heat your stick over

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<v Speaker 3>a dowel and just press, you know, slowly press and

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<v Speaker 3>bend it against the whatever bend or you know, bend

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<v Speaker 3>it has in it, straighten it out, and you just

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<v Speaker 3>want to make sure that it's thin and flexible. Now

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<v Speaker 3>there's kind of a hack. It doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 3>as thin. Is if it's really long. For example, if

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<v Speaker 3>I have like a quarter inch steel bar, yeah that's

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<v Speaker 3>not going to be flexible. But if that quarter of

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<v Speaker 3>steel bar was a mile long, it's definitely going to

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<v Speaker 3>be flexible. So any material at a certain length becomes

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<v Speaker 3>flexible no matter the thickness. So if you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really have any thin sticks or thin branches

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever, we'll just make a really thick dart, or

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<v Speaker 3>make a thick dart that's maybe like an ancient diameter,

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<v Speaker 3>but make it seven or nine feet long instead of

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<v Speaker 3>five or six feet long.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, gosh, that's smart. PS, if you are right now

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<v Speaker 1>plotting to make ancient weapons in your driveway, feel free

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<v Speaker 1>to do just a tiny imperceptible butt dance in solidarity

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<v Speaker 1>and in celebration. Also just little dad word advice and

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<v Speaker 1>a legal disclaimer. Please do not accidentally kill each other

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<v Speaker 1>with these things, thank you. But with some of Angelo's advice,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just gonna be a chip off the old black

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01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh I mean speaking of that. Clara Law is a

1443
01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:29.199
<v Speaker 1>first time question asker and a future archaeologist who had

1444
01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:31.840
<v Speaker 1>great questions. One of them was what is the best

1445
01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:35.600
<v Speaker 1>type of rock or your favorite rock to make weapons

1446
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:36.359
<v Speaker 1>or tools out of?

1447
01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:44.039
<v Speaker 3>So my favorite type is obsidian because because it's so brittle,

1448
01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:48.199
<v Speaker 3>it's easier to flake and flint n app Also, obsidian

1449
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:50.520
<v Speaker 3>comes in a wide variety of colors and shades that

1450
01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.079
<v Speaker 3>makes it really pretty. So there's like mahogany of cidian,

1451
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:55.960
<v Speaker 3>which is brown, black and red speckle. There's snowflake of

1452
01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:58.800
<v Speaker 3>citian which has white speckles. There's rainbow of city, and

1453
01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:01.520
<v Speaker 3>there's green up city in even like translucent bandit of

1454
01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:03.800
<v Speaker 3>city in all of which I've made stone tools out

1455
01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:07.119
<v Speaker 3>of at some point. And yeah, so that's something my

1456
01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:09.399
<v Speaker 3>favorite because I think it looks the nicest. It's also

1457
01:19:09.560 --> 01:19:13.560
<v Speaker 3>one of the easier stones to make tools out of

1458
01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:16.760
<v Speaker 3>because it's so brittle it breaks pretty easy. That also means, however,

1459
01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:19.279
<v Speaker 3>that it potentially could break in half while you're working

1460
01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:22.399
<v Speaker 3>on it, which isn't great. And I'm not sure there's

1461
01:19:22.520 --> 01:19:25.279
<v Speaker 3>there's an answer to the best type of rock, because

1462
01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:27.600
<v Speaker 3>they each have their drawbacks. Like I mentioned, Obcitian is

1463
01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:31.039
<v Speaker 3>really sharp, but it's fragile and brittle. Shirt and flint

1464
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:33.199
<v Speaker 3>are not as sharp, but they're much more durable. So

1465
01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:34.840
<v Speaker 3>it's just a trade off. It's whatever you're looking for,

1466
01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:36.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, whatever works best for your situation.

1467
01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Related Kimberly McCall had asked, what's the best stone for

1468
01:19:41.119 --> 01:19:43.520
<v Speaker 1>edged weapons? And why is it obsidian? So I believe

1469
01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that you've just answered answered that too at point to point.

1470
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:51.359
<v Speaker 3>It's not necessarily it's not necessarily obsidian. While obsidian is

1471
01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:55.159
<v Speaker 3>very good for edged weapons, it's not necessarily the best

1472
01:19:55.399 --> 01:19:59.800
<v Speaker 3>for edge weapons. You'll notice a lot of archaeologists don't

1473
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:03.840
<v Speaker 3>and anthropolgists don't like to make determinations of you know,

1474
01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:07.359
<v Speaker 3>best or quality, because then you get into those issues

1475
01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:12.359
<v Speaker 3>where you're calling some other culture or people's not less

1476
01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:14.399
<v Speaker 3>than or primitive or not as advanced, when that's not

1477
01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:18.000
<v Speaker 3>necessarily true. Like Zeleia Latall proved with the at Lattles,

1478
01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:20.560
<v Speaker 3>just because something is older doesn't necessarily mean it's a

1479
01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:23.079
<v Speaker 3>lesson or inferior weapon. There's no such thing as the

1480
01:20:23.079 --> 01:20:26.520
<v Speaker 3>best weapon. It's it's our best tool. It's whatever is

1481
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:32.079
<v Speaker 3>works for that environment. And you know, bos aren't automatically

1482
01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:35.119
<v Speaker 3>better than at lattles. At lattels are automatically better than bos,

1483
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:37.880
<v Speaker 3>they're both better than each other at specific tasks.

1484
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:40.840
<v Speaker 1>And actually, on the topic of zilia, Nikki de Marco

1485
01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:44.359
<v Speaker 1>and Jena Mace wanted to know if there were weapons

1486
01:20:44.359 --> 01:20:48.199
<v Speaker 1>made for women and if there's anything you've discovered on

1487
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:50.399
<v Speaker 1>the history of female hunting or weapon use.

1488
01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Really good question that it's been theorized that at laddles

1489
01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:59.920
<v Speaker 3>are the most egalitarian weapon, which means that because it you,

1490
01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:03.159
<v Speaker 3>this is a mechanical advantage over your arm. It doesn't

1491
01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:04.960
<v Speaker 3>matter how strong you are. It's more of a finesse

1492
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:08.880
<v Speaker 3>weapon than a strength weapon, which means that children and

1493
01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:11.720
<v Speaker 3>women potentially could have used them and use them to

1494
01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:15.319
<v Speaker 3>hunt as well. However, there's not necessarily evidence of that.

1495
01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:18.920
<v Speaker 3>It's just again something that's possible. So I'm not sure

1496
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.600
<v Speaker 3>you know whether there's evidence of a female hunters, but

1497
01:21:23.560 --> 01:21:26.119
<v Speaker 3>definitely with that laddle compared to most other weapons, it's

1498
01:21:26.760 --> 01:21:28.560
<v Speaker 3>possible that that women hunted.

1499
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Ladies carve those at lattles. Now, on that note, Patron

1500
01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Richard asked, have archaeologists found any kid size weapons, either

1501
01:21:37.239 --> 01:21:40.680
<v Speaker 1>doll sized or training like mini at laddles or bows.

1502
01:21:41.079 --> 01:21:43.640
<v Speaker 1>So if this is more of a finesse weapon rather

1503
01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:47.600
<v Speaker 1>than a strength weapon, could little kiddos be having little

1504
01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:51.840
<v Speaker 1>baby at laddles and trying to get little tiny baby targets.

1505
01:21:52.399 --> 01:21:58.039
<v Speaker 3>Yes. In fact, recently we found child sized at laddles

1506
01:21:58.479 --> 01:22:02.520
<v Speaker 3>in Oregon and this was excavated by the University of Alberta,

1507
01:22:03.159 --> 01:22:05.840
<v Speaker 3>and they found that the biggest at laddle was one

1508
01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:08.920
<v Speaker 3>hundred and sixty six percent larger than the smallest at laddle,

1509
01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:12.159
<v Speaker 3>which is greater than the range of hand sizes for

1510
01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:15.399
<v Speaker 3>adult humans. So they figured like, okay, well it might

1511
01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:17.680
<v Speaker 3>have been children that have used at lattles. I have

1512
01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:23.520
<v Speaker 3>personally taught children as young as second grade, which I'm

1513
01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:25.439
<v Speaker 3>not sure how what was that six or seven years old?

1514
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:26.079
<v Speaker 1>I think. So.

1515
01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:29.119
<v Speaker 3>There's an elementary school here in Las Vegas and every

1516
01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:31.840
<v Speaker 3>year for like three years they've had me come doing

1517
01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:36.000
<v Speaker 3>at Lattle throwing workshop with their second graders. You can

1518
01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:38.600
<v Speaker 3>find pictures of this on my Instagram. It's adorable. What

1519
01:22:38.680 --> 01:22:42.479
<v Speaker 3>I did was we made at lattle darts with nerf

1520
01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:47.359
<v Speaker 3>foam tips. I built a giant ten by ten mammoth

1521
01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:49.960
<v Speaker 3>target for them to throw at, and we built tiny

1522
01:22:50.039 --> 01:22:53.439
<v Speaker 3>little child sized at laddles out of paint stisticks from

1523
01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:57.479
<v Speaker 3>home depot, Oh my god. And the class part of

1524
01:22:57.520 --> 01:23:00.439
<v Speaker 3>their social studies unit is learning about ice age humans.

1525
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:03.279
<v Speaker 3>So I come in. I do like a little like

1526
01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:05.520
<v Speaker 3>maybe like a forty five minute lecture where I passed

1527
01:23:05.520 --> 01:23:08.640
<v Speaker 3>around some arrowheads, some you know, some atlatte points. I

1528
01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:12.039
<v Speaker 3>pass around some vegetable cordage that I made. It's a

1529
01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:14.359
<v Speaker 3>rope made out of yucca fibers. I kind of talk

1530
01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:17.680
<v Speaker 3>to them about what ancient life specifically around hunting was

1531
01:23:17.720 --> 01:23:20.359
<v Speaker 3>like for I say, humans, and we go outside. I

1532
01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:23.039
<v Speaker 3>teach them how to process their own plant fibers to

1533
01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:25.079
<v Speaker 3>make rope, and then I teach them how to twist

1534
01:23:25.079 --> 01:23:27.239
<v Speaker 3>throw a rope, and usually parents have to help because

1535
01:23:27.439 --> 01:23:31.720
<v Speaker 3>seven year olds don't have the greatest dexterity, tiny little

1536
01:23:31.760 --> 01:23:34.359
<v Speaker 3>lambs and feet. And then we walk over to the

1537
01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:37.279
<v Speaker 3>atlattle target and I let them all throw. They have

1538
01:23:37.399 --> 01:23:40.399
<v Speaker 3>like an hour to throw at lattles, and it's like

1539
01:23:40.920 --> 01:23:44.920
<v Speaker 3>some of them, it's crazy how instinctive at lottle throwing

1540
01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:46.880
<v Speaker 3>can be. Some of them have a really hard time

1541
01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:50.039
<v Speaker 3>with it. But then there's every single year there's like

1542
01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:54.199
<v Speaker 3>three or four of these seven year olds who start

1543
01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:57.960
<v Speaker 3>throwing throwing like they've been throwing for a decade. They

1544
01:23:57.960 --> 01:23:59.439
<v Speaker 3>start throwing as good as I am, and I've been

1545
01:23:59.439 --> 01:24:02.880
<v Speaker 3>throwing for a deck. So sometimes like it just clicks

1546
01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:07.199
<v Speaker 3>with some people and it's completely like it doesn't matter

1547
01:24:07.239 --> 01:24:10.119
<v Speaker 3>whether it's like a boy or a girl. I've had

1548
01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:12.199
<v Speaker 3>girls throw amazingly well and boys threw amazing well, Like

1549
01:24:12.199 --> 01:24:13.800
<v Speaker 3>it has literally nothing to do with that, which is

1550
01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:16.520
<v Speaker 3>another point towards it being in a galitarian weapon. It's

1551
01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:19.520
<v Speaker 3>a finesse weapon. But yeah, these kids can sometimes throw

1552
01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:24.199
<v Speaker 3>incredibly well and incredible distances, even though they're using small

1553
01:24:24.279 --> 01:24:26.640
<v Speaker 3>at lattles. And the cool thing about that the child

1554
01:24:26.680 --> 01:24:29.960
<v Speaker 3>at laddles that were found in Oregon is that they

1555
01:24:30.199 --> 01:24:33.960
<v Speaker 3>were made out of whalebones, so that the children's sized

1556
01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:35.880
<v Speaker 3>ones were made out of whalebone, but the adult sized

1557
01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:38.319
<v Speaker 3>ones were made out of wood. So not really entirely

1558
01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:40.279
<v Speaker 3>sure what that's about, but it seems like we have

1559
01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:43.439
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the child sized ones because the bone

1560
01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:47.319
<v Speaker 3>doesn't deteriorate as much or as fast as the wood does,

1561
01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:51.079
<v Speaker 3>so we find more of these these, you know, children

1562
01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:52.079
<v Speaker 3>sized at laddles.

1563
01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wonder if they were also passed down, you know,

1564
01:24:55.279 --> 01:24:58.319
<v Speaker 1>from child to child as they outgrew them or something perhaps.

1565
01:24:58.399 --> 01:24:59.840
<v Speaker 3>And the cool thing is the ones in an organ.

1566
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:02.720
<v Speaker 3>They were that split finger style that reduces the strain

1567
01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:07.000
<v Speaker 3>of the elbow that we more typically associate with groups

1568
01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:09.760
<v Speaker 3>that used at laddles further south, like in Arizona or

1569
01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:12.880
<v Speaker 3>in you know, Texas or northern Mexico, but it's the

1570
01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:15.600
<v Speaker 3>style that we actually see as far north as Oregon

1571
01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:19.840
<v Speaker 3>as well. At the Harvard Peabody Museum of Archaeology and

1572
01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:28.239
<v Speaker 3>Ethnology in Boston, Massachusetts, there is a display of artifacts

1573
01:25:28.279 --> 01:25:30.840
<v Speaker 3>from the Northwest coast. And these artifacts are both like

1574
01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:34.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, prehistoric artifacts that were excavated and historic artifacts

1575
01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:39.880
<v Speaker 3>that were probably stolen from natives in that area or

1576
01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:43.119
<v Speaker 3>indigenous people in that area, as depressing as that is.

1577
01:25:43.880 --> 01:25:48.439
<v Speaker 3>And one of these artifacts is a canoe action figure

1578
01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:51.199
<v Speaker 3>with two or three people sitting in it. And one

1579
01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:53.920
<v Speaker 3>of the little action figure people sitting in the canoe

1580
01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:56.560
<v Speaker 3>is holding in that laddle and using it to hunt

1581
01:25:56.640 --> 01:26:00.880
<v Speaker 3>like a seal or a whale. That adorable thing.

1582
01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>But is that hard to do sitting down?

1583
01:26:03.760 --> 01:26:05.840
<v Speaker 3>It's so hard to do sitting down actually, so one

1584
01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:08.479
<v Speaker 3>of my closest friends in the Atlatto community is named

1585
01:26:08.840 --> 01:26:11.279
<v Speaker 3>doctor I think he has I'm pretty sure he has PhD.

1586
01:26:11.319 --> 01:26:12.399
<v Speaker 3>Doctor Richard vander Hook.

1587
01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:14.359
<v Speaker 1>He does, indeed, I checked.

1588
01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:18.840
<v Speaker 3>He is the state archaeologist of Alaska. He specializes in

1589
01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:21.600
<v Speaker 3>Arctic Circle at Lattle's. He's studied Arctic Circle at Lottels

1590
01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:24.640
<v Speaker 3>more than anybody else. So all these different throwing board

1591
01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:27.920
<v Speaker 3>styles that are only found in the Arctic Circle. And

1592
01:26:28.079 --> 01:26:31.199
<v Speaker 3>he has this public demonstration he does where he has

1593
01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:34.119
<v Speaker 3>this like kind of fake canoe frame and then he

1594
01:26:34.199 --> 01:26:38.399
<v Speaker 3>uses a python it's very painted brown to be like

1595
01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:42.760
<v Speaker 3>a sealhead, and he has participants try to sit and

1596
01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:45.880
<v Speaker 3>throw in a Lattle sitting. And the other thing is

1597
01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:49.960
<v Speaker 3>when you're aiming at like something like a sealhead instead

1598
01:26:49.960 --> 01:26:53.319
<v Speaker 3>of throwing at a standing target like a mammoth, where

1599
01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:56.600
<v Speaker 3>you're standing and the target standing, So you're kind of

1600
01:26:56.680 --> 01:27:00.720
<v Speaker 3>able to conceptualize that frame of reference when you're when

1601
01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:04.439
<v Speaker 3>you're throwing at something that's swimming, it's you know, you're

1602
01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:06.920
<v Speaker 3>above the water and you're throwing. You're trying to arc

1603
01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:11.039
<v Speaker 3>something to hit effectively the quote unquote ground. Right, The

1604
01:27:11.159 --> 01:27:13.159
<v Speaker 3>water's not the ground, but it's that plane of the ground.

1605
01:27:13.239 --> 01:27:17.600
<v Speaker 3>It's a completely different aiming system because you're not trying

1606
01:27:17.600 --> 01:27:19.720
<v Speaker 3>to hit a standing target. You're trying to arc something

1607
01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:21.680
<v Speaker 3>to hit a seal that's like in under the water

1608
01:27:22.399 --> 01:27:25.479
<v Speaker 3>that's out in front of you. Crazy different, really difficult.

1609
01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:30.199
<v Speaker 3>So he brought that setup to the value of Fire

1610
01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:33.239
<v Speaker 3>at Laddle tournament that is hosted here in Las Vegas

1611
01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:35.560
<v Speaker 3>every year for the past thirty years, and he brought

1612
01:27:35.560 --> 01:27:37.279
<v Speaker 3>that set up last year for people to try to

1613
01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:40.960
<v Speaker 3>throw sitting down and we're talking here. We have world

1614
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:44.439
<v Speaker 3>champion at loaddle throwers who have ninety five plus percent

1615
01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:47.560
<v Speaker 3>accuracy at any distance under twenty five meters, and they

1616
01:27:47.560 --> 01:27:49.840
<v Speaker 3>were having so much difficulty throwing sitting it's like you

1617
01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:52.520
<v Speaker 3>just change that and something people who've been throwing for

1618
01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:57.319
<v Speaker 3>decades have trouble. But yeah, child at Laddel's child at

1619
01:27:57.399 --> 01:28:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Lattle action figures somehow, you know, more prevalent in the

1620
01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:03.079
<v Speaker 3>Northwest coast. We haven't really found evidence of that elsewhere,

1621
01:28:03.079 --> 01:28:05.880
<v Speaker 3>but we found evidence of that in the Northwest coast.

1622
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:07.880
<v Speaker 1>And a Valerie wants to know if I find an

1623
01:28:07.960 --> 01:28:10.159
<v Speaker 1>arrowhead on a walk, am I required to leave it

1624
01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:13.199
<v Speaker 1>or turn it into a museum? And Anna says, I

1625
01:28:13.199 --> 01:28:14.800
<v Speaker 1>collected a bunch of our property as I can. And

1626
01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:17.319
<v Speaker 1>now I'm wondering if that was super illegal, what are

1627
01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the ethics, what's the protocol there?

1628
01:28:20.199 --> 01:28:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so definitely leave it unless you are very specific circumstances.

1629
01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:30.640
<v Speaker 3>So in general, all archaeological remains are protected in the

1630
01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:34.079
<v Speaker 3>United States. If it is on public land and you

1631
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:37.520
<v Speaker 3>disturb it, it is I think it's a felony. There's

1632
01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:40.960
<v Speaker 3>a fine associated with it, and there's different amounts of

1633
01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:43.399
<v Speaker 3>fines for different types of artifacts. If you are in

1634
01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:47.720
<v Speaker 3>private property, it is technically not illegal. And also there

1635
01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:53.239
<v Speaker 3>are some states that allow arrowhead or artifact collecting on

1636
01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:57.560
<v Speaker 3>public property if it's part of like an erosion, so

1637
01:28:57.640 --> 01:29:02.359
<v Speaker 3>like on a riverbank, where the remains probably aren't the

1638
01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:04.840
<v Speaker 3>original context anyway, They were probably removed by the river,

1639
01:29:05.199 --> 01:29:07.840
<v Speaker 3>so you can pick them up, but that's a state

1640
01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:11.520
<v Speaker 3>by state basis. In general, leave them alone. The reason

1641
01:29:11.640 --> 01:29:15.079
<v Speaker 3>is because in archaeology we get data not from the

1642
01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:19.079
<v Speaker 3>artifact itself, but from what's around the artifact where it

1643
01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:24.319
<v Speaker 3>was found. Oh, and that's called the archaeological context. And

1644
01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:28.279
<v Speaker 3>the context gives you vastly more data than the tool itself.

1645
01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:31.560
<v Speaker 3>For example, Let's say you find an arrowhead, you pick

1646
01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:33.640
<v Speaker 3>it up, and you bring it to a museum. Well,

1647
01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:36.039
<v Speaker 3>you probably didn't take GPS coordinates of exactly where you

1648
01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:37.800
<v Speaker 3>picked it up. And if I look at the arrowhead,

1649
01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:40.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, okay, well it's an arrowhead. But if that

1650
01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:42.600
<v Speaker 3>arrowhead was still left where it was and I was

1651
01:29:42.640 --> 01:29:45.000
<v Speaker 3>able to, you know, I or another archaeologist was able

1652
01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:47.479
<v Speaker 3>to go see it in its context, we might be

1653
01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:49.600
<v Speaker 3>able to look at the site and say, Okay, this

1654
01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:53.399
<v Speaker 3>arrowhead was found next to bones of this type of animal.

1655
01:29:53.720 --> 01:29:57.079
<v Speaker 3>It was found next to a fire hearth, so maybe

1656
01:29:57.159 --> 01:29:59.880
<v Speaker 3>this was where a hunt happened. They process the animal

1657
01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:02.119
<v Speaker 3>here and there, built a fire, cooked it and ate

1658
01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:04.880
<v Speaker 3>it and left, and they left the arrowhead behind. So

1659
01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:07.680
<v Speaker 3>now I have way more information about what that arrowhead

1660
01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:10.800
<v Speaker 3>was used for based on what was found around the

1661
01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:15.000
<v Speaker 3>arrowhead and very little information from the arrowhead itself besides

1662
01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:16.359
<v Speaker 3>the fact that it's an arrowhead.

1663
01:30:16.439 --> 01:30:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

1664
01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:19.760
<v Speaker 3>That's why places like rivers where artifacts have already been

1665
01:30:19.800 --> 01:30:23.159
<v Speaker 3>moved out of their context are legal to pick up

1666
01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:25.920
<v Speaker 3>in some states, because they recognize that leaving it be

1667
01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:28.760
<v Speaker 3>doesn't really do anything anyway, because it's already been disturbed

1668
01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:30.359
<v Speaker 3>by the river. Some might as well just pick it up,

1669
01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:32.199
<v Speaker 3>but again that's a state by state basis, and I

1670
01:30:32.199 --> 01:30:33.560
<v Speaker 3>would rather just leave them behind.

1671
01:30:33.880 --> 01:30:36.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is it helpful a little to take a picture

1672
01:30:36.399 --> 01:30:38.159
<v Speaker 1>and drop a pin at all?

1673
01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:42.439
<v Speaker 3>Or no? You could let notify your local anthropology department

1674
01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:46.960
<v Speaker 3>or your local natural history museum or every single state,

1675
01:30:47.279 --> 01:30:50.520
<v Speaker 3>required by law, has to have a state Historic Preservation

1676
01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:54.199
<v Speaker 3>Office with a state Historic Preservation Officer who is in

1677
01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:58.000
<v Speaker 3>charge of all historic and archaeological remains and sites for

1678
01:30:58.119 --> 01:31:00.800
<v Speaker 3>that state. So you could always let that. That's literally

1679
01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:03.640
<v Speaker 3>it's their job to keep track of which archaeological sites

1680
01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:06.159
<v Speaker 3>are which and where in your state. There's a chance

1681
01:31:06.199 --> 01:31:08.640
<v Speaker 3>they probably already know about that site, especially if you're

1682
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:13.359
<v Speaker 3>on like, oh, well trodden path or hiking trail. But

1683
01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:15.279
<v Speaker 3>there's a chance if you're like out in the back

1684
01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:18.439
<v Speaker 3>country somewhere and you find something, leave it be, try

1685
01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:21.000
<v Speaker 3>to drop a GPS pan if you can, and let

1686
01:31:21.039 --> 01:31:23.000
<v Speaker 3>somebody at the state Historic Preservation office know, and they

1687
01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:25.039
<v Speaker 3>can send out an archaeologist to see if it's a

1688
01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:27.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, if it's a sight or not. But that's

1689
01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:28.399
<v Speaker 3>definitely something you can do.

1690
01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:31.760
<v Speaker 1>You can notify cool Asia wants to know how much

1691
01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:35.640
<v Speaker 1>do you love Forged in Fire? And Christine Hottinger wants

1692
01:31:35.680 --> 01:31:39.079
<v Speaker 1>to know, relatedly, what do you hate about forged in Fire?

1693
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Also my question what is forged in Fire?

1694
01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:44.720
<v Speaker 3>So forgu and Fire is a TV show?

1695
01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

1696
01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:48.359
<v Speaker 3>Or blacksmiths have competitions who can make the best slash,

1697
01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:52.079
<v Speaker 3>strongest sword or knife or et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

1698
01:31:52.199 --> 01:31:54.199
<v Speaker 3>M I'm going to make a seven layer bar.

1699
01:31:54.560 --> 01:31:57.279
<v Speaker 1>I always make a seven layer bar for the center

1700
01:31:57.319 --> 01:31:59.520
<v Speaker 1>of my swords because I'm.

1701
01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:04.359
<v Speaker 3>A war here. They're not necessarily making historical recreations. I

1702
01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:06.359
<v Speaker 3>don't watch the show. I just know what the show is.

1703
01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:09.760
<v Speaker 3>I think I've seen maybe one episode, but I have

1704
01:32:09.880 --> 01:32:13.079
<v Speaker 3>no thoughts about it. Blacksmithing and metallurgy or metalwork is

1705
01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:18.319
<v Speaker 3>definitely not my specialty. I know, you know cursory information

1706
01:32:18.520 --> 01:32:22.359
<v Speaker 3>about Bronze Age, Iron Age or even medieval weaponry, and

1707
01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:25.239
<v Speaker 3>you know stuff like that, but it's not my specialty.

1708
01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:27.159
<v Speaker 3>It's not what I've studied on an academic level. It's

1709
01:32:27.199 --> 01:32:28.159
<v Speaker 3>kind of just a hobby.

1710
01:32:28.199 --> 01:32:31.479
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen an at lattle in a movie

1711
01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:35.119
<v Speaker 1>or TV show? Have there been any movies about them?

1712
01:32:35.159 --> 01:32:35.239
<v Speaker 3>Like?

1713
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:36.000
<v Speaker 1>What's the deal.

1714
01:32:36.319 --> 01:32:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I'm so excited. There is a movie about

1715
01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:43.279
<v Speaker 3>at Lattle's that comes out August fourteenth. I don't know

1716
01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:45.840
<v Speaker 3>when this episode's going to air, so it's probably yeah,

1717
01:32:46.199 --> 01:32:50.479
<v Speaker 3>August fourteenth. It's called The Silencing. It stars Nikolaike coster Waldou,

1718
01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:52.479
<v Speaker 3>who is the actor from Game of Thrones who played

1719
01:32:53.800 --> 01:32:57.800
<v Speaker 3>one of the Lanisters. In real life. Nicolai coster Waldo

1720
01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:00.640
<v Speaker 3>is in at lattel user. He pulled most videos of

1721
01:33:00.720 --> 01:33:03.560
<v Speaker 3>him using at ladders on his property on Instagram. You

1722
01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:06.479
<v Speaker 3>can go on Instagram you can find his outladdle posts. No,

1723
01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:08.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't know whether he started using at laddle after

1724
01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:12.439
<v Speaker 3>filming this movie or somebody decided to write this movie

1725
01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:14.560
<v Speaker 3>for him because he uses lottels. I don't know. But

1726
01:33:14.600 --> 01:33:19.680
<v Speaker 3>the movie is about a guy who kidnaps people and

1727
01:33:19.920 --> 01:33:21.680
<v Speaker 3>sets them loose into forest and hunts them with an

1728
01:33:21.680 --> 01:33:25.119
<v Speaker 3>aut laddle. Nikolai Costa Wallo plays the good guy who's

1729
01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:26.239
<v Speaker 3>trying to hunt the hunter.

1730
01:33:26.640 --> 01:33:29.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, Okay, of course I look this up

1731
01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:33.319
<v Speaker 1>and the trailer already has well over a million views,

1732
01:33:33.479 --> 01:33:37.239
<v Speaker 1>and one of the top comments reads, producers, how many

1733
01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:39.039
<v Speaker 1>times can you cut the word at little into the

1734
01:33:39.079 --> 01:33:40.399
<v Speaker 1>trailer trailer guy.

1735
01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:42.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, seriously, if you watch the trailer, they say the

1736
01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:46.800
<v Speaker 3>word at Laddle like ten times. It's insane. At Laddle

1737
01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:49.520
<v Speaker 3>is a main character of the movie. Even I was

1738
01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:51.600
<v Speaker 3>showing my parents this and then they're like, Okay, we

1739
01:33:51.680 --> 01:33:53.520
<v Speaker 3>thought when you said there's a movie about it Laddle's

1740
01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:55.720
<v Speaker 3>we thought you were over exaggerating. We thought that there's

1741
01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:58.319
<v Speaker 3>a movie that had one scene within that laddle. We

1742
01:33:58.359 --> 01:34:01.479
<v Speaker 3>didn't think like the trailer depicts this whole scene where

1743
01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:04.079
<v Speaker 3>the police have to go to an experimental archaeologist to

1744
01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:05.439
<v Speaker 3>ask what that lattle is?

1745
01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:09.760
<v Speaker 1>What do you think he used? Called ain no toy

1746
01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:11.319
<v Speaker 1>designed to kill me?

1747
01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:14.119
<v Speaker 3>And the experimental archaeologists explain this is in the trailer,

1748
01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:17.399
<v Speaker 3>he's explaining and demonstrating that battle use and how powerful

1749
01:34:17.439 --> 01:34:19.199
<v Speaker 3>he throws it against like a pig carcass or something,

1750
01:34:19.560 --> 01:34:22.960
<v Speaker 3>and like just shows how powerful it is. And half

1751
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:25.399
<v Speaker 3>the movie is then figuring out like what in that

1752
01:34:25.520 --> 01:34:28.199
<v Speaker 3>lattle is because they find these these wounds on these

1753
01:34:28.479 --> 01:34:30.439
<v Speaker 3>bodies and they're like, what the hell? What kind of

1754
01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:32.439
<v Speaker 3>tool made this wound? Like nobody knows what it is,

1755
01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:34.760
<v Speaker 3>And it turns out it's a guy in a full

1756
01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:38.760
<v Speaker 3>gilly suit, hiding camouflage in the woods, hunting people, that lattles.

1757
01:34:39.039 --> 01:34:41.359
<v Speaker 3>The whole movie's about it, Lettle. It's crazy. It's crazy.

1758
01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:44.399
<v Speaker 3>So it comes out August fourteenth on all streaming platforms. No,

1759
01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:48.439
<v Speaker 3>I believe it's already out. If you have direct TV?

1760
01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:50.640
<v Speaker 1>How are you gonna celebrate wrong?

1761
01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:51.119
<v Speaker 4>How are you?

1762
01:34:51.239 --> 01:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna wear a gilly suit? What are you

1763
01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:53.359
<v Speaker 1>gonna do?

1764
01:34:54.239 --> 01:34:56.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm gonna have a watch party at my house,

1765
01:34:57.359 --> 01:35:01.319
<v Speaker 3>And like, I am so excited because this is the

1766
01:35:01.359 --> 01:35:03.920
<v Speaker 3>out lott of representation in media that I've been waiting for,

1767
01:35:04.600 --> 01:35:08.279
<v Speaker 3>and the fact that they seem to be pronouncing it correctly.

1768
01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:11.560
<v Speaker 3>The representation of the lattle seems accurate. I actually know

1769
01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:14.479
<v Speaker 3>the guy who made the at laddles for the movie.

1770
01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:15.119
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

1771
01:35:15.560 --> 01:35:17.439
<v Speaker 3>That's another thing. If anyone wants to buy out Laddles,

1772
01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:20.000
<v Speaker 3>there's a few pretty good vendors. The only thing you

1773
01:35:20.039 --> 01:35:21.199
<v Speaker 3>have to look out for is making sure that the

1774
01:35:21.319 --> 01:35:24.680
<v Speaker 3>dart is flexible enough. I usually whenever I buy somebody

1775
01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:27.680
<v Speaker 3>else's atladdle darts, I will usually like taper them myselves

1776
01:35:27.720 --> 01:35:30.159
<v Speaker 3>make them a little bit better. But anyway, this company

1777
01:35:30.279 --> 01:35:32.760
<v Speaker 3>named at Laddle Madness is the ones who supplied the

1778
01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:35.680
<v Speaker 3>laddles for the movie, and they look great. The movie

1779
01:35:35.720 --> 01:35:38.560
<v Speaker 3>looks great. It looks accurate, like it's it's great. It's phenomenal.

1780
01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Dude, I'm so pumped for you. I am so pumped

1781
01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>for you. I'm also excited to watch this.

1782
01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, the trailer alone is wild, Like I can't

1783
01:35:48.279 --> 01:35:50.600
<v Speaker 3>even imagine how crazy the movie's gonna because the trailer

1784
01:35:50.800 --> 01:35:54.079
<v Speaker 3>like gave me goosebumps from an auttle perspective already, I'm

1785
01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:54.840
<v Speaker 3>so excited.

1786
01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, this is gonna be a hard question. What sucks

1787
01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:04.039
<v Speaker 1>does anything? What is or what is obviously irksome about

1788
01:36:04.439 --> 01:36:04.920
<v Speaker 1>your job?

1789
01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:10.319
<v Speaker 3>I think it goes back to like flim flam whenever

1790
01:36:10.399 --> 01:36:13.279
<v Speaker 3>I see in a movie a you know, quote unquote

1791
01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:17.520
<v Speaker 3>caveman throwing a spear that's like would have been a

1792
01:36:17.600 --> 01:36:20.039
<v Speaker 3>thrusting spear and they throw it and because of the

1793
01:36:20.119 --> 01:36:24.359
<v Speaker 3>movie special effects, it goes like seventy feet at like

1794
01:36:24.479 --> 01:36:27.279
<v Speaker 3>sixty miles an hour, perfectly straight and zips through the

1795
01:36:27.319 --> 01:36:29.439
<v Speaker 3>air and kills a mammoth or something like that. Uh huh,

1796
01:36:29.680 --> 01:36:32.199
<v Speaker 3>I cringe. Spears are for thrusting out. Laddles are for

1797
01:36:32.279 --> 01:36:35.159
<v Speaker 3>throwing you Like it's not post. You know, there's no

1798
01:36:35.319 --> 01:36:37.439
<v Speaker 3>no experiment that shows that you can throw a hand

1799
01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:39.560
<v Speaker 3>thrown spear, especially like the ones that show in movies,

1800
01:36:40.319 --> 01:36:43.159
<v Speaker 3>any more than twenty meters. And even at twenty meters,

1801
01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:46.840
<v Speaker 3>achestrae is low, impact, velocity is low, the damage is

1802
01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:50.000
<v Speaker 3>not that bad, is not that great. And if you're

1803
01:36:50.079 --> 01:36:52.039
<v Speaker 3>hunting a mammoth, you're not throwing a spear like that.

1804
01:36:52.159 --> 01:36:55.920
<v Speaker 3>You're definitely using that laddle. So whenever I see flim flam,

1805
01:36:57.319 --> 01:37:00.159
<v Speaker 3>I you know, that kind of stuff kind of irks me.

1806
01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:03.680
<v Speaker 3>And the other thing is, uh, I mean at laddles

1807
01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:08.720
<v Speaker 3>are because at lattle is a Nawak word in academia,

1808
01:37:08.840 --> 01:37:11.800
<v Speaker 3>it's not really used to describe the tool itself because

1809
01:37:11.800 --> 01:37:14.920
<v Speaker 3>it was used by so many different cultures. So it's

1810
01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:19.079
<v Speaker 3>called a spear thrower in academia. And because at lattles

1811
01:37:19.119 --> 01:37:21.479
<v Speaker 3>throw darks, not spears, I kind of cringe at that

1812
01:37:21.600 --> 01:37:22.720
<v Speaker 3>time as well.

1813
01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:27.720
<v Speaker 1>So spears can be used for stabbing, which at little

1814
01:37:27.800 --> 01:37:31.039
<v Speaker 1>darts are kind of too flexy for and darts have

1815
01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:34.920
<v Speaker 1>fletching or feathers on the ass end, so so fancy,

1816
01:37:35.159 --> 01:37:37.479
<v Speaker 1>although it's a pretty broad term a dart.

1817
01:37:37.560 --> 01:37:40.279
<v Speaker 3>Because if I told people that I throw darts, they

1818
01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:44.119
<v Speaker 3>think that I am then a pub somewhere in the UK, and.

1819
01:37:47.239 --> 01:37:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah.

1820
01:37:50.079 --> 01:37:51.800
<v Speaker 3>So the reason the darts that we throw at dart

1821
01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:55.319
<v Speaker 3>boards are even called darks is because it comes from

1822
01:37:55.640 --> 01:37:59.520
<v Speaker 3>a Roman thing called a plumbata, which is basically a

1823
01:37:59.600 --> 01:38:02.479
<v Speaker 3>giant that they would throw underhand. It would go up

1824
01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:05.159
<v Speaker 3>into the air with a big lead weight and feathers

1825
01:38:05.199 --> 01:38:07.359
<v Speaker 3>in the back, and then like a lawn dart, it

1826
01:38:07.560 --> 01:38:10.039
<v Speaker 3>kind of like just drops straight now over shield walls.

1827
01:38:11.119 --> 01:38:12.880
<v Speaker 3>And if you look at a plumbata, if you like

1828
01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:15.560
<v Speaker 3>look at it looks exactly like just a big version

1829
01:38:15.680 --> 01:38:20.000
<v Speaker 3>of a of a throwing dart. But the dart part

1830
01:38:20.159 --> 01:38:22.039
<v Speaker 3>comes from the fact that it has fletchings, because a

1831
01:38:22.079 --> 01:38:25.600
<v Speaker 3>spear or a javelin doesn't have fletchings, but but darts

1832
01:38:25.640 --> 01:38:28.560
<v Speaker 3>do have fletchings. So anyway that I kind of cringe

1833
01:38:28.600 --> 01:38:30.560
<v Speaker 3>at those two things calling it a spear thrower, even

1834
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:32.439
<v Speaker 3>though I have to because that's the correct academic term

1835
01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:35.199
<v Speaker 3>for it. And whenever I see a movie where somebody

1836
01:38:35.279 --> 01:38:38.199
<v Speaker 3>throws a spear a bajillion miles an hour, I'm like, Nope,

1837
01:38:38.279 --> 01:38:39.640
<v Speaker 3>that's not how that works at all.

1838
01:38:41.239 --> 01:38:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Uh, difficult question you know what it is? It's your

1839
01:38:45.359 --> 01:38:48.159
<v Speaker 1>favorite thing about at els? How are you? How are

1840
01:38:48.159 --> 01:38:48.800
<v Speaker 1>you gonna pick?

1841
01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:53.640
<v Speaker 3>How do you? Yeah? The last the last two hours

1842
01:38:53.680 --> 01:38:57.239
<v Speaker 3>of this interview is my favorite part. There's nothing, there's

1843
01:38:57.319 --> 01:39:01.159
<v Speaker 3>no bad like. It's the craziest, coolest thing that no one,

1844
01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:03.880
<v Speaker 3>the very few people are aware of or have heard of.

1845
01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:08.399
<v Speaker 1>That's correct. We recorded a two hour interview and then

1846
01:39:08.479 --> 01:39:11.840
<v Speaker 1>we chatted another forty five minutes afterward. And yes, this

1847
01:39:12.039 --> 01:39:13.840
<v Speaker 1>was very hard to cut down because this dude has

1848
01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:15.399
<v Speaker 1>so much knowledge in his brain bowl.

1849
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<v Speaker 3>And you know what, I have an answer. My favorite

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<v Speaker 3>thing not about aut Lattels, but about what I do

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<v Speaker 3>with at Lattels and what my role is as a

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<v Speaker 3>board member for the World at Lottel Association. The education

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01:39:29.279 --> 01:39:31.760
<v Speaker 3>outreach that I get to do is my favorite part

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01:39:32.079 --> 01:39:37.039
<v Speaker 3>about archaeology. I am most comfortable teaching people about things

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm passionate about, and there's nothing I'm more passionate

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01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:42.279
<v Speaker 3>about than at lattles. And I love teaching people about

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01:39:42.359 --> 01:39:45.680
<v Speaker 3>little so I have done at lattle throwing workshops for

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01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:50.600
<v Speaker 3>elementary schools, middle schools, high schools, university groups, museums, the

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01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:54.279
<v Speaker 3>Bureau Land Management, the State Park Service the State Historic

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01:39:54.359 --> 01:39:57.359
<v Speaker 3>Preservation Office. Anytime I can tell a group of people

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01:39:57.399 --> 01:39:59.159
<v Speaker 3>about at lottles and teach them how to throw it,

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01:39:59.479 --> 01:40:02.560
<v Speaker 3>especially when it's little kids whose eyes just light up

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<v Speaker 3>when they learn about a weapon they've never heard about

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<v Speaker 3>and they have the ability to throw a small little spear,

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<v Speaker 3>small little dart like fifty, you know, fifty sixty seventy

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<v Speaker 3>feet with this little tool, and their eyes just light up.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the best part teaching people. Having the public

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<v Speaker 3>interaction is the best part, because I think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>science without communication, science without education is pointless. The reason

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<v Speaker 3>we do science is in order to create a better society,

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<v Speaker 3>in order to educate the public, and science communication is

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite part of what I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's also great when you're going out there,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the desert, you're just getting out of the car,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a bunch of darts, and you're just ready

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01:40:45.800 --> 01:40:48.000
<v Speaker 1>to like kind of practice. That's got to be so fun.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so much fun. I always get so many weird

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01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:54.840
<v Speaker 3>looks when when I roll out to places like there's

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01:40:54.920 --> 01:40:58.720
<v Speaker 3>like a public twelve month period where I had an

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01:40:58.760 --> 01:41:01.800
<v Speaker 3>at lettl and like three darts in my car perpetually

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01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:07.079
<v Speaker 3>just stretched over the entirety of my sedan, and anywhere

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01:41:07.079 --> 01:41:09.079
<v Speaker 3>I would go people were like, what is in your car?

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01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:11.319
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, there are thirty thousand year old

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<v Speaker 3>throwing spears, but don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hear a little bit more about this sedan. The

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01:41:16.079 --> 01:41:17.119
<v Speaker 1>at little the hickeel.

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<v Speaker 3>So my license plate says at Laddle is a gift

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01:41:19.960 --> 01:41:24.359
<v Speaker 3>from my sister. Love it. So you can catch me

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01:41:24.560 --> 01:41:28.079
<v Speaker 3>driving around Las Vegas with the Outlattle car wearing my

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01:41:28.279 --> 01:41:30.960
<v Speaker 3>lattele t shirts. The funny thing is I actually had

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01:41:31.000 --> 01:41:33.720
<v Speaker 3>a friend who called me once and said, you wouldn't

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01:41:33.760 --> 01:41:36.359
<v Speaker 3>believe I was just at the mall and I saw

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01:41:36.479 --> 01:41:38.840
<v Speaker 3>a car without lott of license plates. That means that

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01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:41.319
<v Speaker 3>there's somebody else in Las Vegas besides you who throws

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01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:43.640
<v Speaker 3>out laddles. And I said, why would that be your

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01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:45.479
<v Speaker 3>first conclusion? Why would you not just assume that that

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01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:50.520
<v Speaker 3>was my car? I was like, you, you went to

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<v Speaker 3>like the extremely unlikely scenario that there's somebody else as

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01:41:53.840 --> 01:41:56.000
<v Speaker 3>at Laddle obsessed as me who got a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>license plates, instead of just assuming that it was me

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01:41:58.319 --> 01:42:00.359
<v Speaker 3>who was driving that car and it and it was

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<v Speaker 3>me that's the best.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're ever in southern Nevada and you see

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01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:08.079
<v Speaker 1>an at lettle Sedanda's BBEPI hi.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, yep, I've gotten uh, definitely weird looks. A lot

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01:42:12.039 --> 01:42:14.000
<v Speaker 3>of people think that I'm like in Atlanta Falcons or

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01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:16.319
<v Speaker 3>Atlanta Braves fan because at l a tl but.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Nope, nope, it's out ladders.

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<v Speaker 3>It's ancient, ancient throwing weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you won't be alone. I think after this episode

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01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:25.079
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people who are gonna be pumped

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01:42:25.279 --> 01:42:27.520
<v Speaker 1>about at lettles, myself include so.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope so. And if anybody is making or throwing

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01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:32.760
<v Speaker 3>it out lattles, they have questions, they want to talk

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<v Speaker 3>to me about it attles more. There's nothing more I

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01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:38.520
<v Speaker 3>loved than talkout lettles. So I am available. My dms

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01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:41.279
<v Speaker 3>are open for any allatt related questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, that's great. You're gonna watch out. You're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>a uh yep barage. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I also, Hey, I also do ax throwing and knife throwing,

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01:42:50.359 --> 01:42:52.119
<v Speaker 3>and I throw slings and I make my own slings

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01:42:52.159 --> 01:42:54.359
<v Speaker 3>as well, So I, you know, do a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one thing that's really admirable about you too

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01:42:57.920 --> 01:43:00.359
<v Speaker 1>is that you really do put yourself out there in

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01:43:00.439 --> 01:43:03.760
<v Speaker 1>a way that lets these opportunities kind of open up

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01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:05.920
<v Speaker 1>to you. That's really infectious. I think that's such a

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<v Speaker 1>good lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you. I like to pride myself about like

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01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:12.720
<v Speaker 3>my passion for things is my favorite part about myself.

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<v Speaker 3>I just dive, I dive deep, and I just want

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<v Speaker 3>to share that with as many people as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>You do a very good job. I'm so excited to

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<v Speaker 1>watch this ad a lot. Now, this a little movie

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<v Speaker 1>questions about their obsessions and before you know your carbon

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01:43:29.800 --> 01:43:33.039
<v Speaker 1>stuff in the backyard and watching horror Flix involving a

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01:43:33.119 --> 01:43:36.439
<v Speaker 1>man in a moss covered wan. Say now for more napped,

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01:43:36.600 --> 01:43:41.399
<v Speaker 1>obsidian and elegantly chucked weaponry, follow Angela on Twitter and Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>He's that I dig it first with a one for

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<v Speaker 1>the first. You can check out the World at Lettle

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<v Speaker 1>Association at world at little dot org. You can also

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<v Speaker 1>check out Angelo's podcast, which is not at all about

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<v Speaker 1>at Lottles, but rather about his other passion, which is

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<v Speaker 1>samples and pop music, and it's called Sample Excavator's at

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<v Speaker 1>sample Excavator on Twitter, and Instagram. It's wonderful and that

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<v Speaker 1>movie is The Silencing and it's out August fourteenth. We

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<v Speaker 1>make zero dollars off of talking about it. Just a

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<v Speaker 1>thought it. It was interesting And for more links to

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, you can see aliward dot com slash

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<v Speaker 1>Ologies slash Experimental Archaeology and there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>link to that in the show notes, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>to the Black Trial Collective. And we are at ologies

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at ali Ward with one

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<v Speaker 1>L on both ologies. Merch is at Ologiesmarch dot com

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<v Speaker 1>and we have all manner of ways to show your

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<v Speaker 1>ologies love. Thank you to Shannon Feldsabonni Dutch, two sisters

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<v Speaker 1>who hosts the comedy podcast To You are That for

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<v Speaker 1>managing our merch. Thank you Eron Talbert for admitting the

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<v Speaker 1>Ologies podcast Facebook group. Thank you to Emily White and

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<v Speaker 1>all the Ologies podcast transcribers and Caleb Patten who bleeps

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<v Speaker 1>the episodes. Transcripts and kids Safe Bleeped episodes are up

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<v Speaker 1>for free at aliward dot com slash Ologies Dash Extras.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a link to that in the show notes too.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Noel Dilworth, who gets all the interviews scheduled

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<v Speaker 1>and more, and to assistant editor mister Jared Sleeper, who

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<v Speaker 1>hosts the mental health podcast in a Good Bad Brain

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<v Speaker 1>and who absolutely wants to go to the desert and

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<v Speaker 1>fling these things, and to the fletchings on our darts,

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Ray Morris, who is a lead editor. He also

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<v Speaker 1>hosts the podcast The per Cast about kiddies and see

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<v Speaker 1>Jurassic Write about Dinosaurs and Nick Thorburn wrote and performed

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<v Speaker 1>theme music. And if you stick around the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the episode, you know I tell you a secret. And

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<v Speaker 1>this week's secret is that if you can hear any

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<v Speaker 1>bumping upstairs, that's my parents. We're getting ready to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the doctor to take my dad get the staples

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<v Speaker 1>out and they are waiting for me and I have

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<v Speaker 1>about two minutes to get up there and out into

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<v Speaker 1>the car. Okay, next week see then, yeah, how gamer.

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<v Speaker 4>Bye ooh, I'm gonna grib you sweaty here.

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<v Speaker 2>or online Tesco. Every Little helps available the most stores.

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<v Speaker 2>Prices very in express
