Speaker 1: All right, get ready, because today we're taking a deep
dive into some wild theories about the Moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some really out there stuff.
Speaker 1: We're talking ancient astronaut theories, reptilian overlord.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we've got it all.
Speaker 1: And even a soul sucking cube on the Moon.
Speaker 2: I know, crazy, right, But that's what makes.
Speaker 1: This so fascinating, it really is.
Speaker 2: It's like what if, right, what if these seemingly crazy
ideas actually had a grain of truth to them.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's start with the Ananaki, right from ancient
Sumerian texts.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, the Onanaki, they were like the A list
celebrities of the Sumerian pantheon, like the VIPs exactly, the
big players, the ones calling the shots, shaping human destiny,
the whole nine yards.
Speaker 1: And then there was this scholar, Zacharai Sitchen, who took
those myths and really ran with them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sitchen, he was he was something else.
Speaker 1: He interpreted those ancient stories as basically a literal account
of aliens coming to Earth pretty much. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He believed that the Onanaki were get this, extraterrestrials from
a planet called Nibirubiru. Yeah, and they came here looking
for gold, you know, to fix their messed up atmosphere, and.
Speaker 1: They created us humans as slaves to mine that gold
for them.
Speaker 2: Yep, that was his theory.
Speaker 1: Wild, right, It's definitely a wild interpretation, no kidding. So
what do you think what makes some folks believe there
might be some real history buried in these ancient stories?
Speaker 2: Well, there are these uh.
Speaker 1: Little details that are kind of hard to explain away. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. For example, there's the epic of gilgamesh.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Epic of gilgames that's a good one, right.
Speaker 2: It talks about the Ananaki creating humans like they mix
their own blood with clay, almost like I don't know,
some kind of ancient genetic engineering or something.
Speaker 1: So it's not just gods and goddesses but like high
tech stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And while you know, mainstream academics see these
myths as like symbolic or whatever, what right, Yeah, allegorical
stitch and he took it literally, and you know, it
sparked a lot of debate about where we came from
and if we really are the product of you know,
alien intervention.
Speaker 1: I mean it makes you think, right, is it just
a story.
Speaker 2: Or is there something more to it.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Well, right, speaking of ancient stories, there's this other idea. Okay,
that's just as mind boggling. Okay, laid on me a moonless.
Speaker 2: Earth, a moonless earth?
Speaker 1: What if the moon wasn't always there?
Speaker 2: Whoa, Okay, now we're going deep, right.
Speaker 1: We're going deep. There are hints scattered throughout history, not
just in you know, folklore and stuff, but in writings
from like respected figures suggesting that the moon showed up
late to the.
Speaker 2: Party, like a surprise guest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, a surprise guest.
Speaker 2: So you're saying there was a time when people looked
up and there was no moon.
Speaker 1: That's what some ancient accounts seem to be saying. Like Aristotle,
for example, you wrote about this group called the Polastians,
who lived in ancient Greece before the moon was supposedly there.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of the Polastians.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a pretty obscure group. And Apollonius of Rhodes,
a Greek poet, mentioned a time when quote, not all
the orbs were yet in the heavens. Interesting, right, So
it's not just one culture. It's popping up in different
parts of the world. Plutarch the Roman historian. He described
the Arcadians as a pre lunar people.
Speaker 2: Pre lunar people.
Speaker 1: And there are even these symbols at Tijuanaku, an archaeological
site in Bolivia that some interpret as depicting the moon's arrival.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you've got ancient Greeks, Romans, Bolivians all hinting
at a time before the moon. That's a lot of coincidences,
it really is, right.
Speaker 1: So how do we explain this global memory of a
moonless past?
Speaker 2: Well, that's the million dollar question, isn't it. If these
accounts are more than just myths, then it really makes
you question everything we think we know about history, about
our planet, about the cosmos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like our whole understanding of reality could be wrong.
Speaker 2: It's a real head scratcher.
Speaker 1: It is. It is. So if the moon wasn't always there,
the question is how did it get here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Where did it come from?
Speaker 1: And this is where things take a turn into conspiracy
theory territory buckal up, starting with this fascinating Zulu legend.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 1: So, according to Zulu tradition, the moon was brought here
by these two reptilian brothers. Well, Wani and im Pancou
reptilian brothers.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is getting good.
Speaker 1: And they didn't just carry it.
Speaker 2: They brought it as a giant egg, a giant egg
like an Easter egg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically a cosmic easter egg.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's way more dramatic than the whole you know,
scientific explanation of the Moon forming from debris after a
planetary collision. Right, it's way more exciting, much more interesting.
Speaker 1: And what's interesting is how this legend ties into David
Ick's theories.
Speaker 2: David Ick, the Reptilian overlord guy, the One and.
Speaker 1: Only so Ick. He believes that these reptilian beings, which
he calls arkans, they brought the Moon here as a
tool to control humanity. He thinks it's not just a
celestial body, but like a sophisticated spaceship disguised as an egg.
Speaker 2: So it's not just an egg, it's a spaceship egg.
Speaker 1: A spaceship egg exactly. I mean that's a lot to
process it is it is? So, how does this supposed
lunar spaceship actually work?
Speaker 2: Well, Ike's theory gets pretty out there.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 2: He says the moon acts like a giant holographic projector
beaming out this false reality to keep us trapped in
fear and ignorance.
Speaker 1: Wait, so we're all living in a moon powered simulation.
Speaker 2: That's what he's saying.
Speaker 1: That's some matrix level stuff right there.
Speaker 2: Totally. But it gets even weirder. He also believes that
these reptilian beings they feed off our negative emotions, so
like our suffering is their energy source.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're not just living in a simulation, we're
like batteries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the basic idea, and it raises some really
disturbing questions about you know, free will and whether there
are unseen forces messing with our lives.
Speaker 1: It's a bit creepy to be honest, for sure. But
how do these so called reptilians actually do this? Do
they like shape shift and walk among us?
Speaker 2: Well? Itke doesn't believe in like physical shape shifting, not
in the traditional sense anyway. He says they manipulate us
through advanced technology, like messing with our brains, so we
see them as human when they're really reptilian.
Speaker 1: Is so it's more like mind control than actual sheeap shifting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's his theory, and it's pretty freaky.
Speaker 1: If you think about it, it is it is. Okay,
So we've got ancient astronauts, reptilian overlords, a moon that's
secretly a spaceship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was covered a lot of ground.
Speaker 1: My head is spinning. But wait, it gets even weirder.
Are you ready for this?
Speaker 2: Hit me with it?
Speaker 1: The soul cube?
Speaker 2: The soul cube? What's that?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a whole other level of weirdness and we're
going to dive into that right after the break.
Speaker 2: Okay, I can't wait, don't go anywhere. You know, it's
easy to just brush all this off as like pure fantasy. Yeah,
but there are some actual scientific mysteries about the moon,
right that even like mainstream science can't fully explain.
Speaker 1: That's what I find so interesting about all this. It's
like where science fiction and actual science, you know, kind
of blue together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: So what are some of those lunar mysteries that have
scientists scratching their head?
Speaker 2: Well, for starters, there's the Moon's size and density. I mean,
it's way bigger than it should be compared to Earth, exactly,
compared to Earth, Like, it's much larger than any other
moon relative to its planet in the whole solar system
and for its size, it's surprisingly light, really yeah, which
has led some people to suggest that, get this, it
might be hollow.
Speaker 1: A hollow moon. Isn't that a bit much even for
like the most hardcore conspiracy theorists.
Speaker 2: I know, it sounds crazy, right, but there is some
pretty interesting evidence that supports this idea. Like what well,
during the Apollo twelve mission, when the lunar module crashed
into the Moon, it caused these seismic waves that like
reverberated for over.
Speaker 1: An hour, so like the moon rang like a bell pretty.
Speaker 2: Much, yeah, and the scientists at the time they were
totally baffled. I bet it suggested that the Moon's interior
wasn't what they expected at all.
Speaker 1: So what does scientists say about you know, the whole
moon ringing like a bell thing?
Speaker 2: Well? There are theories, of course. Okay, some say that
the Moon's make up, like its porous crust and the
possibility of big cavities inside, could explain why the vibrations
lasted so long. But you know, for some people those
explanations aren't enough. They leave the door open for the
you know, the hollow moon idea.
Speaker 1: Right, even though it sounds kind of out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got this giant, lightweight moon that rings
like a bell, right. What other weird things are going
on with our moon?
Speaker 2: Well, there's the mystery of the craters, the craters. Yeah,
you'd think that when asteroids or meteors hit the moon, huh,
they would create craters of all different depths, right, that
makes sense, But on the Moon, all the craters are
pretty much the same depth. Really, Yeah, regardless of how
big the impact was. It's almost like there's this hard,
impenetrable layer beneath the.
Speaker 1: Surface that kind of plays into the whole hollow moon thing,
doesn't it.
Speaker 2: It does. Yeah. Some people who believe in the space
ship moon theory, right, they point to this consistent crater
depth as evidence of like a solid.
Speaker 1: Shell, like some kind of artificial structure.
Speaker 2: Exactly encasing the Moon, as if something is stopping those
impacts from going any deeper.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've got a giant, lightweight, bell ringing, potentially
hollow moon, yeah, with weirdly shallow craters. Anything else that
makes our moon stand out? Oh there's more, Okay, lay
it on me.
Speaker 2: Its orbit is also pretty strange.
Speaker 1: What's strange? About it.
Speaker 2: Well, the Moon's orbit around Earth is almost perfectly circular,
which is super rare for celestial objects, is it. Yeah,
most moons have elliptical orbits, but ours is like defying
the odds. And then there's the whole thing about the
Moon always showing us the same face.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like it's hiding something on the other side, right.
Speaker 2: Like it's got something to hide exactly. The Moon is
what's called tidally locked to Earth, meaning it rotates at
the same speed as it orbits our planet, and that's
why we only ever see one side of it.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty freaky coincidence, it.
Speaker 2: Is, and it's fueled all sorts of speculation.
Speaker 1: So we've got all these scientific anomalies, right, But is
there any real evidence that the Moon is something other
than a natural satellite.
Speaker 2: Well, there's this classified Apollo seventeen project, okay, code named
Chapel Bell.
Speaker 1: Chapel Bell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty hush hush.
Speaker 1: What was that about.
Speaker 2: Well, the details are still secret, but the rumors say
that they found something incredible on the far side of
the Moon. What do you mean in something they've been
keeping from the public for all these years?
Speaker 1: A secret mission a mysterious discovery and decades of silence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like something out of a movie.
Speaker 1: It does, it does. What do you think they found?
Speaker 2: That's the big question, isn't it It is? Some people
believe that Chapel Bell confirmed that there are alien structures
or technology on the moon.
Speaker 1: Whoa.
Speaker 2: Others think it proved that the moon is artificial.
Speaker 1: It's like a cosmic game of hide and seek.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the stakes are pretty high.
Speaker 1: We're talking about potentially rewriting.
Speaker 2: History, our understanding of the universe, maybe even the nature
of reality itself.
Speaker 1: It's mind blowing, really it is. These lunar mysteries really
make you question everything they do.
Speaker 2: They do. But even if we put aside all the
you know, the wilder theories for a moment, Okay, there's
one thing we can't deny. What's that the moon has
a huge impact on life here on Earth.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the lunar effect or.
Speaker 2: Exactly the idea that the full moon makes people act
a little crazy. Yeah, there are tons of stories and
like anecdotal evidence that suggests the full moon triggers all
sorts of things, from more crime and accidents to people
being more emotional, even problems sleeping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard stories from like nurses and police officers
who say they can always tell when it's a full
moon just by how much weirder things get right.
Speaker 2: And of course, scientists are divided on whether the lunar
effect is real or not. Some studies show a connection
between the full moon and certain behaviors, while others just
dismiss it as prestition.
Speaker 1: But people still believe it.
Speaker 2: They do. It's a belief that crosses cultures.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating how this idea persists, you know, even though
science hasn't really proven it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like there's something deep down inside us that
recognizes the moon's power.
Speaker 1: Even if we don't fully understand it exactly. And this
brings us back to those fringe theories we were talking about, Okay,
because if the moon is more than just a big
rock in the sky, right, if it's actually like a
tool that's being used to manipulate us, then the whole
lunar effect takes on a whole new meaning.
Speaker 2: It does, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Instead of just blaming the full moon for our bad behavior, yeah,
we could actually be blaming those reptilian overlords who are
using the moon to like mess with our emotions. That's
a pretty wild thought, it is. It is.
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder if we're all just ponds and
some kind of cosmic game.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like a battle between good and evil, Yeah,
playing out on a celestial scale.
Speaker 2: And the moon is the battleground exactly.
Speaker 1: So is there any way to fight back?
Speaker 2: Well, if the theory that negative emotions feed these you know,
these supposed reptilian overlords is true, then the answer might
be to focus on positive emotions like what kindness, compassion, gratitude, love, Okay,
these are all energies that could potentially disrupt the negativity
and you know, break free from the manipulation.
Speaker 1: So it's like a battle of good vibes versus bad
vibes in a way. Yeah, and we get to choose
what side we're on.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting idea, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It is. It is the idea that our emotions could
actually have a real impact on like the balance of
power in the universe.
Speaker 2: It's a powerful concept, it is.
Speaker 1: It is. So what's the takeaway here? Should we all
be like meditating under the full moon trying to send
out good vibes into the cosmos?
Speaker 2: I think it's less about specific rituals and more about
an overall change in how we think. Okay, it's about
recognizing that our emotions are powerful and choosing to use
that power for good. Makes sense whether you believe in
optilian overlords are not. Yeah, there's no doubt that spreading
love and compassion can only make the world a better place.
Speaker 1: It's a message is hope, right, even in the midst
of all this like dark and unsettling stuff it is.
And speaking of hope, there's one more piece of this
puzzle we need to talk about, Okay, the soul and
its potential for immortality.
Speaker 2: Ah, now we're getting into some deep philosophical territory.
Speaker 1: We are, we are.
Speaker 2: So we've been discussing the possibility of souls being manipulated
and recycled, right, But there's another viewpoint that sees the
soul as eternal, indestructible.
Speaker 1: Like it can't be destroyed exactly.
Speaker 2: It transcends physical limitations.
Speaker 1: So even if there is a soul cued out there, yeah,
our true essence can't be trapped or controlled.
Speaker 2: That's the idea. Some believe that the soul is like
a spark of divine consciousness, okay, infinite and eternal mm
and that nothing can truly put out that flame.
Speaker 1: So even if our bodies are subject to you know, manipulation, incarnation,
our true essence remains free.
Speaker 2: That's the belief.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty comforting thought, it is, isn't it, especially
after all the darkness we've been exploring. I know, right,
But is there any evidence to support the idea of
an immortal soul.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's no scientific proof, of course, But throughout history,
people from all different cultures and religions have reported experiences
near death, experiences, out of body experiences, even memories of
past lives. These are all things that science can't easily explain.
Speaker 1: So it comes down to faith in a way.
Speaker 2: Yes, But even if you approach it from a purely
secular perspective, there's something profound about recognizing the mystery of consciousness,
that inner spark that makes us who we are.
Speaker 1: That sense of awe and wonder is what keeps us
looking up at the stars right. It is questioning our
place in the universe, searching for answers to life's big questions.
Speaker 2: And sometimes those answers lead us down some pretty strange
pass They do, they do, but that's part of the adventure.
Speaker 1: So where do we go from here? After all this
talk of soul cubes and reptilian overlords. How do we
make sense of it all?
Speaker 2: I think it starts with a shift in perspective.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Instead of seeing these theories as like threats or just
dismissing them as crazy talk, we can see them as
opportunities to broaden our understanding of reality.
Speaker 1: To think outside the box exactly the question what we
think we.
Speaker 2: Know, and to consider possibilities that might seem, you know,
a little out there at first. Who knows, maybe by
exploring these seemingly far fetched ideas, we might just stumble
upon some profound.
Speaker 1: Truths about ourselves.
Speaker 2: About our place in the cosmos, about everything.
Speaker 1: It's like we're standing on the edge of the unknown. Yeah,
peering into.
Speaker 2: The darkness and asking what if?
Speaker 1: What if?
Speaker 2: Indeed, that's the beauty of it, right. The journey of
discovery never really ends.
Speaker 1: There's always more learn.
Speaker 2: Always another layer to uncover.
Speaker 1: So to everyone listening out there.
Speaker 2: Keep an open mind, keep asking questions, keep exploring.
Speaker 1: And keep your mind open to the infinite possibilities that
exist beyond what we currently understand.
Speaker 2: Because as we've seen today.
Speaker 1: The truth might be a lot stranger.
Speaker 2: And a lot more wondrous.
Speaker 1: Than we could ever imagine. It's like we went down
this rabbit hole and ended up in this crazy world
where anything is possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from ancient astronaut theories to a soul sucking cube,
we've really gone deep into some wild ideas about the moon.
Speaker 1: But even with all the crazy stuff we've talked about,
what really sticks with me is like, how much these
theories show our fascination with the Moon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's true. It's been a source of mystery and
wonder for as long as we've been around.
Speaker 1: And even with all our fancy science and technology, there's
still so much we don't know about it.
Speaker 2: It's like this giant puzzle hanging up there in the sky,
just daring us to figure it out.
Speaker 1: So what's the main takeaway from all of this? Is
it about believing or debunking every single theory?
Speaker 2: I think it's more about embracing the mystery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like accepting that we don't have all the answers exactly.
Speaker 2: It's about admitting that there's so much we still don't
understand about the universe, about Earth, about ourselves, you.
Speaker 1: Know, it's kind of humbling, actually it is.
Speaker 2: And that sense of wonder, that willingness to question and explore,
that's what keeps us searching for answers, even if those
answers lead us to some pretty weird places.
Speaker 1: Okay, so where do we go from here? After all
this talk about soul cubes and reptilian overlords? How do
we even begin to make sense of it all?
Speaker 2: I think it starts with a change in perspective.
Speaker 1: Okay, how so.
Speaker 2: Instead of seeing these theories as like threats or just
dismissing them as totally nuts, we can look at them
as like invitations to expand.
Speaker 1: Our minds, to think differently, right.
Speaker 2: To question everything we think we know and consider possibilities
that might seem crazy at first.
Speaker 1: It's about opening our minds to things we might not
normally consider exactly.
Speaker 2: And who knows, maybe by looking into these far out
ideas we might stumble upon some really big.
Speaker 1: Truths about ourselves in the universe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, about everything. It's like we're standing at the edge
of the unknown, looking into the darkness and asking what if?
Speaker 1: And that's the exciting part, right it is.
Speaker 2: The journey of discovery is never truly over. There's always
something new to learn, always something more to uncover.
Speaker 1: So for everyone listening, what do we want them to
take away from this deep dive?
Speaker 2: Keep asking questions, keep exploring, and don't be afraid to
consider ideas that challenge your current understanding.
Speaker 1: Because the truth might be a lot more surprising and
onspiring than we can even.
Speaker 2: Imagine, exactly, Keep an open mind and keep searching for answers,
even if those answers lead you down some unexpected paths.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about you, but after this deep dive,
I'm definitely going to be looking at the moon a
little differently.
Speaker 2: Me too. It's a reminder that even in the vastness
of space, nothing is quite as it seems. The pursuit
of knowledge, even if it takes us to some strange places,
can lead us to some pretty mind blowing discoveries. And
that's what makes this all so fascinating. Thanks for joining
us on this lunar adventure, and until next time, keep
looking up and keep questioning everything.