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<v Speaker 1>I have KCD talk station Heavy Wednesday. No Judge to

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<v Speaker 1>Polatona today. He had a prior engagement, so I did

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<v Speaker 1>read from his column this morning. But today we get

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<v Speaker 1>the return to Donovan and Neil from Americans for Prosperity. Donovan,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the morning show, my friend. It's always

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<v Speaker 1>great having.

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<v Speaker 2>You on prank.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to be back with you. And so we got

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<v Speaker 1>a high version of the Rains Act regulations from the

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<v Speaker 1>Executive in Need of Scrutiny Act. Is that what we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about here.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, We've got the opportunity to get that done here

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<v Speaker 2>in the Buckeye State. It's never been more important.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, Well, let's break it down from a listening

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<v Speaker 1>audience and for me too as well. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>why we needed and why it's so important.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, when we talk about regulatory reform, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of different things you can do, and we're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>that happen here in Ohio over the last several years.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're seeing an extra level of spotlight on it

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<v Speaker 2>at the national level with the new Trump administration and

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<v Speaker 2>what they're doing with things like dough. So what you

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<v Speaker 2>got to do first is you got to inventory the

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<v Speaker 2>red tape. You got to know how bad the problem is, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the red tape and regulations, and we've we've got that

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<v Speaker 2>here in Ohio through some bills we've passed over the

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<v Speaker 2>last few years. The other thing you could do is

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<v Speaker 2>you can doze it up, right. You can take that

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<v Speaker 2>Government Efficiency Department and really start looking and just refining

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<v Speaker 2>and cutting and removing the excess agencies and spending that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't need to be there. But if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>really stop the growth, which is I think the important

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<v Speaker 2>thing to do here, right, we've got to stop the

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<v Speaker 2>proliferation and growth of regulations. You need the Rains Act,

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<v Speaker 2>which proactively requires any ruler regulation over a certain dollar threshold.

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<v Speaker 2>And we could break that down for you here in

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<v Speaker 2>a minute, But any ruler regulation over a dollar a

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<v Speaker 2>certain dollar threshold from the executives the governor in this

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<v Speaker 2>case in Ohio to go before the entire legislative body.

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<v Speaker 2>So they've got to convince a majority of one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty two members across the House and Senate that

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<v Speaker 2>this is a good idea. Putting these new rules and

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<v Speaker 2>rags could to have a significant cost to the economy,

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<v Speaker 2>are a good idea and the intent of the legislature

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<v Speaker 2>when they originally passed whatever law the governor's citing for

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<v Speaker 2>this new.

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<v Speaker 1>Authority, which I mean, and therein lies the problem in

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<v Speaker 1>a federal government. And unfortunately, the Supreme Court, the United

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<v Speaker 1>States Supreme Court stepped in and on its own has

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<v Speaker 1>helped pair back certain rags, like a tablespoon of water

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<v Speaker 1>is not a navigable stream, even though the eggheads behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes of the EPA determined that it was by

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<v Speaker 1>implementing an arbitrary and capricious regulation, and that has a

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<v Speaker 1>significant and profound impact on so much land use. So

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court said, no, no, you can't do that. The

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<v Speaker 1>power that the regulations must specifically come from an authority

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<v Speaker 1>that was delegated under the law, and you've exceeded that authority.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of a sliding scale moving approach. The

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<v Speaker 1>Rains Act actually would be a law codifying that reality.

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<v Speaker 1>So for anything that impacts economy more than X number

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars, which we'll get to in a minute, that

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<v Speaker 1>the legislative branch has to specifically approve the regulation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, and this is going to force legislatures to

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<v Speaker 2>do things that they've sort of abdicated over the last

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<v Speaker 2>several decades, right, which is saying we don't have claiming,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have the expertise to create the definition of

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<v Speaker 2>the law, really really do lawmaking, which is our job,

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<v Speaker 2>which is really their job. Right now, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>hand it over to another agency, another branch of government.

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<v Speaker 3>Fill then deal with it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here's here's a couple of words on a sheet

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<v Speaker 1>of paper. You guys do all the laboring work behind

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes. And oh, by the way, none of you

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<v Speaker 1>are accountable to the voters for doing what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's pause. We'll bring Donovan and Neil back and get

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<v Speaker 1>some of the specifics on this. The dollar Man's one

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<v Speaker 1>If you've have Kcity talk station, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>and equipment Bud Herbert Motors. Yes, my lawnmower is a

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<v Speaker 1>powered mower. Mom, it's a push mower. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I stand behind it and I let it go along.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Mary way. She was giving me a hard time

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<v Speaker 1>thinking that I had some sort of old school push mower,

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<v Speaker 1>it at Bud Herbert Motors. And this is the fundamental point.

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<v Speaker 1>Had a terrible experience at the box store. My dear

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<v Speaker 1>to take back. As a concdaut, just call Bud Herbert Motors,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did, and I was so happy I did,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why I'm so pleased to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>pass along the good news to use five generation family

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<v Speaker 1>Herbert family members. Their name is on the building and

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<v Speaker 1>they only sell the finest lawn equipment. They'll deliver it

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<v Speaker 1>to your door, whether it's a big old farm tractor

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<v Speaker 1>Whether it's some piece of steel equipment or Honda or

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<v Speaker 1>John Deere or x Mark. They've got it and you'd

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<v Speaker 1>At seven forty or fifty five Krcity Talks station, Donald

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<v Speaker 1>and Neil Americans for Prosperity going over this Ohio version

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<v Speaker 1>of the Rains Act. And I think it's an important

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<v Speaker 1>piece of legislation. You know, I got to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the high comedy that we just briefly touched upon

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<v Speaker 1>there at the end. You know, we elect people to

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<v Speaker 1>represent us in Columbus, and they're not experts. That they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they may be an expert in some given field.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there could be a physician up there who

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<v Speaker 1>about cardiac issues or medical issues related related to your heart,

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<v Speaker 1>he could probably answer questions all day long. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you ask him something about technology, he'll give you a

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<v Speaker 1>deer in the headlights kind of look. And yet they

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<v Speaker 1>are legislating literally over every aspect of our lives, people

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<v Speaker 1>who don't have a fundamental understanding of what they're legislating over.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminds me that we elected somebody to member of Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>They thought Guam was going to capsize if we built

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<v Speaker 1>another building on it. That's how dumb some of them are, right, Donovan.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened? Somebody gets a bug in their ear

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<v Speaker 1>and it's probably some lobbyists looking out for some companies

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<v Speaker 1>great idea, but the devils in the details. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>put the details into legislation. They just pass it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>widgets shall be manufactured according to industry standards, and then

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<v Speaker 1>somebody can behind the scenes, creates industry standards and ends

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<v Speaker 1>up regulating something to the point where it makes it

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<v Speaker 1>too expensive or whatever happens. But they're dumb collectively speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't need to be insulting to them. I

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<v Speaker 1>am dumb on a whole lot of topics as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's where all these regulations come from. Right, they

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<v Speaker 1>go to the back room, and they got the eggheads

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<v Speaker 1>in the back who purport to be experts, although Donovan,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know that they necessarily are either right. For

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<v Speaker 1>the same reasons, I just illustrated with the elected officials.

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<v Speaker 1>They just happen to work in any given apartment, which

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<v Speaker 1>means somebody like Rassmuton is whispering in their ear and

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<v Speaker 1>feeding them the details about what regulations need to be passed,

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<v Speaker 1>and they put them on paper and say here, we

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<v Speaker 1>did the work for you. Oh yeah, that was good.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they implement the regulations and we end up

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<v Speaker 1>be literally millions of dollars in additional cost of business

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<v Speaker 1>and industry and the taxpayers here in Ohio. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if I got that pretty much boiled down, even if

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<v Speaker 2>You hit the nail on the head, Brian, And I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's part of what the founding fathers. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's many ways envision right was a citizenry that represents

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<v Speaker 2>idea here it needs to be. I think the resputant

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<v Speaker 2>analogy is pretty spot on, because what we think we

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<v Speaker 2>really hard questions, and it still doesn't quite add up.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea doesn't go anywhere. But I think too often

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<v Speaker 2>what we find is they will get a crisis presented

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<v Speaker 2>to them and they will be told if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>pass this, X number of your constituents are going to

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<v Speaker 2>this or that is going to happen if the government

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<v Speaker 2>slowing the process down and making sure they really deeply

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<v Speaker 2>understand it before they give the government more power, they

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<v Speaker 2>just pass the law and expect the executive to figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out, like you're saying, right, And I think legislation

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<v Speaker 2>like the Rains Act right will put the onus back

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<v Speaker 2>on the people who we directly elect. Many of us

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<v Speaker 2>personally know, right, they go to our churches, our gym,

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<v Speaker 2>they shop at the Kroger we shop at right, and

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<v Speaker 2>give us the ability to actually ask them those hard

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<v Speaker 2>how important these issues are do they actually do. We

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<v Speaker 2>actually need to be giving the government more power and

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<v Speaker 2>authority when when there's when there's when something's presented to them,

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<v Speaker 2>and if they can't if that, if that case can't

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<v Speaker 2>be crewly made, the legislature should be kicking these bills

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<v Speaker 2>out and saying no, this isn't a job for the government.

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<v Speaker 1>This forces this Rainzact forces a thoughtful, contemplative analysis before

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<v Speaker 1>the law gets passed and before regulation gets passed, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact requires pretty much the regulatory work to be

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<v Speaker 1>incorporated into the law. Is that a fair statement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, it's actually after the law's passed, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>so what we see happen, Like, let me ask you this, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>did Congress ever authorize eliminating gas powered vehicles in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States by twenty thirty? What law did the Congress pass.

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<v Speaker 1>That said do this?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>EPA cafe standards? Yeah, yeah, So I think that's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Great example coming to the beings around the state we've

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<v Speaker 2>been having on this, is that Congress never said to

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<v Speaker 2>do this. Some bureaucrat, a really smart one, came up

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<v Speaker 2>with that idea, developed it and put it into place

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<v Speaker 2>because they had an executive whould do it? RAINSAC would

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<v Speaker 2>force those ideas back to then, in this case, Congress

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<v Speaker 2>to the legislature and say, hey, did you really mean

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<v Speaker 2>this as an authority you gave, you know, back in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies, when you gave the EPA more authority, or

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<v Speaker 2>is this a step too far? And I hope would

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<v Speaker 2>be Congress would say that's a step too far. If

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<v Speaker 2>nothing else, just not act on it, and so the

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<v Speaker 2>rule or law, the regulation would die. That could happen

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<v Speaker 2>as well, But that's the idea is it's how we

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<v Speaker 2>get bureaucrats who do creative interpretations of the law. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to put those folks in a real jam and

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<v Speaker 2>slow them down to the benefit of the American people.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It forced them to hold hearings with you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>pros and con advocates each side, which they can weigh

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<v Speaker 1>and analyze and put some thought into it before they say, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that regulation is actually a good one and

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<v Speaker 1>it's worthy, the expenditure of money is actually worth it,

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<v Speaker 1>so we are going to give our stamp of approval

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<v Speaker 1>on it. Or no, you didn't convince me, or it's

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<v Speaker 1>too expensive, it's too much of a bonus on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the Ohio voters. Sorry, we're not we're not gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't go with that. I like the idea. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's an excellent one. It would solve a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of problems. Which is this House Bill eleven? Do I

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<v Speaker 1>have that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep? It's House Bill eleven. It's had three hearings so far,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're we're being told, but we're going to keep

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we'll see what we want to see it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to see it get on the schedule. It

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<v Speaker 2>should get a hearing, and hopefully we'll get actually voted

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<v Speaker 2>out of the Ohio House a week from today, next Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>It's why we put the coalition letter out and we're

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<v Speaker 2>raising the alarm bells this week to make sure it's

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<v Speaker 2>top of mind for legislators and their constituents going into

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<v Speaker 1>All right, what's the dollar figure that kicks in that

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<v Speaker 1>requires them to go through this process after all laws

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<v Speaker 1>passed and a regulation comes out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there are three triggers here. So one is compliance costs. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So when a new rule is implemented, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>probably hire new lawyers or hr professionals or other folks

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<v Speaker 2>right into your business. So if compliance costs go up

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<v Speaker 2>at one hundred thousand dollars, it will trigger. If it

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<v Speaker 2>requires the agency to expand its budget by over one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars, it would trigger the Rains Act review.

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<v Speaker 2>But most importantly, if a new rule of regulation would

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<v Speaker 2>have a drive on the economy greater than a million dollars. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so they put these tailpipe emission laws into place, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to kill the auto industry. That's a major

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<v Speaker 2>drug to the economy. Right. But in Ohio, the rule

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<v Speaker 2>proposed by the governor's over a million dollars, it would

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<v Speaker 2>trigger sending it to the legislature. You might be wondering, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>how many would that be? How much more work are

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<v Speaker 2>we putting on our poor state representatives and sanders to

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<v Speaker 2>have that?

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote more bills. I wrote that down is a question,

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<v Speaker 1>and you saw right through that go ahead eighty three.

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<v Speaker 2>In counter, you're twenty three and twenty four. There are

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<v Speaker 2>about eighty three rules that the Legislative Service Commission said

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<v Speaker 2>would probably trigger for the rain Backed review. And we

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<v Speaker 2>think that's a good thing. What we don't want is

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of rules, small, large, and of all sizes. Going

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<v Speaker 2>back to the legislature at this stage because they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>want the most egregious.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, They wouldn't vote for the Rains Act if that

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<v Speaker 1>if they were going to have to deal with that

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<v Speaker 1>level of work. That's why I wrote it down. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to make our elected officials actually do more work,

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<v Speaker 1>which usually I would think they wouldn't be inclined to

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<v Speaker 1>vote for something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and we want the work that they do on

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<v Speaker 2>this to be very focused because right now, in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>we have, through the Common Sense Initiative and the Joint

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<v Speaker 2>Committee on Agency Rule Review, every rule in regulation is

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<v Speaker 2>viewed by a select committee of legislators to approve the

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<v Speaker 2>those rules that the governor would put into place or

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<v Speaker 2>their agencies would look to implement. The problem there, Brian, though,

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<v Speaker 2>is you start to go blind seeing all the different

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<v Speaker 2>rules and rags. Many of them might be necessary or

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<v Speaker 2>intended as part of the laws that were passed. But

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<v Speaker 2>what we want to make sure gets an extra level

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<v Speaker 2>of scrutiny and through the Rains Act is are those

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<v Speaker 2>laws that have those fiscal impacts right, They're going to

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<v Speaker 2>grow government by one hundred thousand or more, They're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have a million dollar economic drag on the economy.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to put extra compliance costs. We want to

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<v Speaker 2>start there and stop those most egregious, most economically harmful

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<v Speaker 2>regulations from moving as quickly as they might. And in

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<v Speaker 2>this case, over the past two years, we had eighty

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<v Speaker 2>three of them. We think eighty three eighty three rules

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<v Speaker 2>and rags going to the legislature for their extra scrutiny

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<v Speaker 2>and the people's input is a good thing and not

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<v Speaker 2>a big ask of folks we send a columbus.

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<v Speaker 1>I would agree completely with that wholeheartedly. All right, call

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<v Speaker 1>to action? Where do we go to get more information

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<v Speaker 1>to help out? Obviously contacting our life good officials and

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<v Speaker 1>saying vote for a house built eleven, but beyond that

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<v Speaker 1>which website Donovan O'Neil.

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<v Speaker 2>Buckeye Blueprint dot com slash rains R E I n s.

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<v Speaker 2>Buckeye Blueprint dot com slash r E I n s.

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<v Speaker 2>Go there, get some more information, Contact your representative and

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<v Speaker 2>tell them to vote in support of HB eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>Diving and Neil, Americans for Prosperity. God bless you for

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<v Speaker 1>and Americans for Prosperity. You always have a welcome opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>on the fifty five KRC Morning show to spread the

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<v Speaker 1>word about this important work that you're doing. And I'll

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to having you back on again real soon.

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