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Now let's dive in to today's episode. I like to
welcome back to the show Darryl Ann.
Speaker 2: Darryl doing great. How are you, Alex?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great, my friend. Thank you so much for
coming back. Our last conversation did Gangbusters. People loved our
conversation and still people are watching and listening to it
around the world. And it's been a it's been at
least six months, I think at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's time for me right now. Is just I
don't even remember what Dave.
Speaker 1: Is, but it was, but it's it did very, very well.
And I called you up and say, hey, you want
to come back on. I'm sure we can find other
things to talk about, and uh.
Speaker 2: So me again, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: No, I appreciate you, my friend. What you what you
and and the work you're doing with Bishar is pretty
remarkable and funny enough, many of my other guests always
come back like, oh, I saw your interview with Darryl.
I love Bashar and I'm like, I'm good friends with Daryl,
and they're like really, I'm like, yes, it's so fun.
It's just fun again. And for people listening, listen to
the first episode. You know, Darryl and I go back
for thirteen years, I think.
Speaker 2: At this point, yes, probably at least.
Speaker 1: And I had no idea there bar the whole Bashar
side of his world. For six years of our relationships
just doing movies. We were just doing movies together. And
it's not something that you advertise, you know, wear a
T shirt that goes I Channel Bashar. Though, I'm just
throwing that out. There might be some merch for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a telephone for an alien exactly.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, so I wanted to bring you back,
and I had a couple of questions that hopefully will
help people listening. My first question is, you know you've
been channel Bashar now for almost forty years at this point,
can you tell me why he chose now to send
his message in the in the escape of humanity's history
right now?
Speaker 2: Look what's going on on our planet?
Speaker 1: I mean the couple things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not too much. That's a very dull place,
I think. Well, first, of all our in the sense
invitation energetically to extraterrestrials. By starting to explore space, that
we are becoming aware we're not the only planet around,
probably not the only civilization. That kind of triggers a
message to them energetically that we might be ready for
some form of connection, some form of dialogue to see
whether we want to move forward with the idea of
contact or not. So that's one thing. Secondly, obviously we
are in need of different tools at this point. You know,
in the twenty first century, we have to sort of
let go of a lot of outdated and old fashioned
definitions and ideas, and they recognize that now is the
time to introduce some new ideas and definitions, and hopefully
that makes a change in our reality or at least
some people's reality, to again sort of change our vibration
and bring us closer to the possibility of making contact
with them.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you. Then, you said something that's interesting,
that we have to let go of old ideas, things
that aren't serving us anymore. But so many of these ideas,
these things that we're doing, are so entrenched that it's
almost impossible at this point unless there's a group, collective
choosing of change, kind of like I think when the
pandemic happened, it was the first big shock to the
system where now people are working from home, people are
reevaluating their lives. It was that giant break that the
entire planet essentially needed. It was very odd. It's never
happened in human history to my understanding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not certainly in this way. But again, they take
advantage of those kinds of things. They recognize that that
is a psychological change, a shift where people start looking
for different things, start opening up to different ideas, and
so they're willing to sort of use that and see
what we're willing to absorb. But it doesn't have to
necessarily happen all at once. Collectively, you know, the more
individuals changed themselves, then over time it becomes a collective,
you know, just like anything, each generation starts becoming a
new collective with new ideas. I mean, think about it
this way. Really, you know, since you know, the late sixties,
there has been no one born who doesn't think we
haven't been in space, right, So it's like, you know,
when I was born, that was not something that was true.
But you know, now, what thirty year olds, forty year
old's fifty year olds have always thought that we've been
in space. So that's a big shift in our collective
consciousness and an opening, like I said, kind of an
invitation for other beings to recognize that we may be
ready for more awareness of what's in space.
Speaker 1: So is because a lot of them, of the ideas
and messages that Bashar puts out, they are you know,
talking about space and talking about technology to a certain extent,
but it's all about internal growth, internal evolution of the
human soul and humanity in general. I have to ask
why do they care? Why even bother we're savages.
Speaker 2: Well in some senses, without going into a deeper explanation
of this story, we are family with them, so they
see us that way, and we have actually some genetic
connection to his civilization. That's a big story. It's a
long story, but they do see us as family and
they are trying to help. They know what it's like
to be part of a larger galactic community. They know
what it can do for a civilization in terms of
changing their perspective and outlook on life and so but
again they're not forcing us to do anything, which is
why they're sort of staying in the background and just
delivering information in various ways through channels and so on
and so forth, to see what we're willing to take on,
what we're willing to grab on to, and then decide
for ourselves whether we want to go farther. But from
their perspective, the kind of civilization they are, they are
passionate about helping people wake up. It's just the way
that they're oriented because they know what it's done for
them to have evolved to this point where they expand
their consciousness and what's available to someone when their consciousness
is open. And you know, again they're not forcing us
to take their word for it, but they're saying, here's
a toolkit, and if you apply this in your life,
you'll prove to yourself that there are other ways that
you can live and maybe that will make a difference
in how you experience life on their world. Oh, it's
just the way they operate.
Speaker 1: So when you said awake, and that's something and I
have a book read behind me that says awake and awaken,
and Yogis have been talking about it for five thousand years,
to awaken out of Maya and this illusion and it's
been many different philosophies and religions over the years. We'll
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now back to the show. Can you explain when you
say awake? Is that word which a word that's been
coined now it's simulation theory, which is essentially maya which
we are in an illusion? Is that what you mean
by awake? You're awakening to the reality of Oh, this
isn't real.
Speaker 2: We are in.
Speaker 1: This different level of existence, but this is not the
end all be all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of it. And I would say when
we use the word illusion, I want to be careful
because it's not that the experience of physical reality isn't real.
The experience is very real. But we are, according to him,
and like you said many other teachers over time, we
are the ones creating this illusion. It's a projection of consciousness.
I just saw a recent article that you know, even
quantum physics is starting to catch up to the idea
that hey, all of this is just a holographic projection
of some sort from somewhere. So even science is starting
to talk about the ephemeral nature of physical reality. And
so yeah, it's about becoming aware that what we experience
in life is our creation, and that it's determined by
what we believe to be true about ourselves and what
kind of process we're attempting to experience to help ourselves
learn and grow. From Bashar's point of view, that's the
whole point of physical reality. It's sort of like forgetting
that you're an expanded being so that you can rediscover
that you're an expanded being from another perspective. And that's
how creation expands. Because the structure of existence, according to him,
never changes. It is what it is, but your relationship
to it, your experience of it, your perspective of it, changes,
and that's how creation grows. And so the idea of
going through these physical experiences, these limited experiences, with the
attempt or potential to break through that illusion and realize
that you have created this for yourself for a specific purpose,
really expands your consciousness, gives you a whole different perspective
on life, and just makes things a lot more understandable.
Speaker 1: Right because it seems, you know, when you don't have
that kind of understanding of a wider consciousness, this all
seems random and chaotic.
Speaker 2: Chaos, crazy, yeah, you know, but when you understand the
nature of it and the structure of it and how
we create it, and which is what Bishar explains a
lot of then it becomes something that you can really
be in the driver's seat about and have the experience
that will still give you the lessons you want to
learn and help you grow. But it doesn't have to
be suffering. It doesn't have to be a struggle anymore.
So this is our awakening, is that we don't necessarily
have to struggle, We don't have to suffer. Challenges, of course,
will always come around, but from Bashard's point of view,
challenges are fun. It's what helps us get a new
perspective and grow. So it's not about losing the challenges,
but it's about losing the suffering and the struggling that
we've been prone to for thousands of years because our
choices have been limited, because our knowledge has been limited.
So they're trying to help us understand how things really work,
expand our knowledge of the universe and creation and reality
so that we have more tools to work with, so
that we can more creative people in a way that
doesn't make us struggle and suffer.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned that we choose our reality, and we
choose this projection that's in front of us. Can you
kind of dig into that a little bit, explain it
to people who might not understand that we are literally
creating the reality that we're walking every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, there's a lot of confusion in using
that word, and you know, the language itself is very limited.
So when I say, and when Bashar says, we choose,
it doesn't mean that we're choosing consciously. So in other words,
it's not like saying, oh, you know, you consciously choose
to get into an accident. But what he's saying is
the belief systems, the definitions about yourself in relation to
life that you are choosing because you've been taught to
choose them, like I'm not worthy, or you know, bad
things inevitably happen to me, or things like that that
are sort of simmering around in the unconscious mind cause
certain effects to happen. And that's what he means by
we're choosing it and we're creating it. And so a
big part of his information is how to get in
touch and become aware of the beliefs that you've bought
into about yourself in relation to anything that happens, so
that you can have a better definition and a better
relationship with that thing and use it to your advantage
instead of going on automatic, so to speak, and just
letting the unconscious beliefs run your life. It's becoming more
aware of yourself, more awake about who you are. It
kind of goes back to that old saying, know thyself
and really investigate yourself to understand why do you believe
what you believe about yourself? Why do you still hold
on to something that maybe your parents, your schooling, your friends,
or your society taught you that isn't working for you,
that isn't who you really are. So it's really about
digging deeper in yourself, finding out what you believe to
be true and understanding whether or not you want to
keep holding onto that or replace it with a definition
and a belief that better suits you. That will then
cause a change to happen in the way you experience
your life and your physical reality.
Speaker 1: But what you're suggesting is for many people scary to
look inward, to look inside, to analyze yourself.
Speaker 2: Is why is it scary? That's another definition. That's another
day we get caught up in these chains and links
of definitions, one reinforcing the other. So we have a
lot of definitions that even prevent us from finding those
definitions because we're too afraid that if we go looking,
what we're afraid will will be true, will be true,
and from Bashar's perspective, it's never really going to be true,
because you know, we're a part of creation. We're reflections
of creation God all that is, whatever you want to
call it, and from his point of view, creation doesn't
make mistakes. So if we exist, which we do, then
we're worth of that existence. And to believe that we're
not worthy, we're not deserving in a sense, is arguing
with creation. Well, Bashar says, we'll never win that argument
because we can never cease to exist. So you might
as well take it on the fact of your existence
that you are worthy of your existence and stop, you know,
bemoaning and berating yourself and thinking less of yourself. We
are reflections of creation, and we are here to allow
creation to be all that it is. So you know,
we have to start at this very fundamental level of
breaking those chains of negative definitions that keep us down.
And we don't even know or are aware that we
have a lot of these definitions, so finding them, bringing
them to the surface, going wait a minute, this makes
no sense. It doesn't make sense in life to think
this way, to believe this way is the first step
from Bishar's point of view, as to how we start
breaking those chains and freeing ourselves to realize we can
choose the define miss that work for us because we
are each unique. We have a different perspective from anyone else,
and we are a unique part of creation, and we
deserve to express our full selves in life.
Speaker 1: So is that is that what is happening right now
in society in general? I feel that that that there's
a lot of stuff that was under the surface is
bubbled up, and that's why there's so much more everything,
I mean, between war and violence and politics and economy.
Is that what's happening in humanity right now?
Speaker 2: He said that very very because people say, you know,
why is it so crazy right now? And he's saying, well,
you know, you've been doing this cycle of negativity for
thousands of years. You're kind of at the end and
you're about to shift into something different. But in order
to do so, you kind of have to get everything
out on the table. All of the negativity, all of
the positivity, every choice that could possibly be made, you're
now sort of seeing in one place. So it's giving
us an opportunity. Need to go do we want to
continue this way? I mean, look how strong the reflections
are of you know, things that are going on now,
Like you're saying, you know, war and racism and all
this stuff is just really bubbling to the surface because
it's about time for us to face all these issues
and really make choices about what kind of world we
want to have. So it's a little more complex than that,
but Bishar is basically saying, like, here's your opportunity. It's
only going to you know, probably be available for a while,
and some people are going to make certain choices that
take them in one way, and other people going to
make choices that take them in another direction. And what
he's saying is, you know this this goes into the
whole idea of parallel realities because he's saying everything exists
all at once. You know, time is an illusion, and
there are different versions of Earth that exist right now.
And the idea is not that we change the world
we're on, but that we change our vibration and it
navigates us in the direction of a parallel version of
Earth that's already more reflective of what we prefer or
what we don't. So right now, it's like a melting
pot of ideas. Here's negativity, here's positivity, here's neutrality, here's
all these things we could choose. What do you want
to choose?
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Speaker 2: So when people start choosing one thing over another, even
individually and collectively, they start going that way, and eventually,
he's saying, in the years to come, you know, the
more people that choose a particular direction will actually sort
of create a crystallization of that perspective for themselves and
will no longer be able to even experience people with
a different idea. So he's saying this is called the
splitting prism from his perspective, and it's like we're literally
in a train station and we're deciding what train and
what track we're going to be on. But eventually whatever
train you've bored is going to be the only train
that you can go on to because now all the
tracks are going away in different directions, and once you're
too far away on your direction, it's going to be
even harder to go and decide, oh, I want to
be on that other train, because now it's like hundreds
of miles away. So this is the time of choice.
This is the time of choosing what reality we want
and what we will inevitably experience. While other people will
experience other kinds of realities completely different than ours, but
they'll experience that in a different parallel reality.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think at this point, even in
this reality, there are people who are experiencing things at
completely different levels, whether it's poverty, whether it's violence, whether
it's everything. Is it true from Baschard's point of view,
that we are vibration and the higher the vibration is
what we attract to us. So in other words, you know,
a Yogi mass or a Sufi, a Sufi master or
something like that is probably not going to get mugged
on the street, give or take.
Speaker 2: There is a lesson in there that he has to
learn business share it. But generally speaking, generally speaking, yes,
it's all about resonance. It's all about frequency. What you
put out is what you get back. It's like a
tuning fork. You know, you operate at a certain frequency.
That's what you get reflected back to you, because that's
all that you can get reflected back to you. He's
basically saying, you can't experience what you're not the vibration of,
and conversely, you can only experience what you are the
vibration of. Now Again, as we said, there's some leeway
in there about what happens because people have been trained
to assign particular meaning to certain kinds of things. And
basically Bishar is saying he doesn't mean this negatively. Life
is meaningless, it has no built in meaning. We give
it meaning and that's how we experience. And so whatever
vibrational level you're at is how you start interpreting the
neutral things that are happening and you infuse them with meaning,
and that starts coloring your world about how you see
things and how you experience things, because you can, if
you really stop and think about it, you can experience
a lot of events in very different ways, depending on
your vibration, on your attitude, on your relationship to what's happening.
And he's saying, if you stay in a positive state
no matter what's happening, even if something's happening, you don't
objectively prefer It's got to be happening for a reason.
If you're experiencing it, and if you stay in a
positive state, you'll be able to get a benefit from it.
You'll be able to learn something from it that will
propel you forward in a positive way. He's saying, even
if nothing else, it can be as simple as you know,
manifesting something in front of you that you don't prefer
gives you clarity about what you do prefer by contrast,
and that's a positive way to use what you don't prefer.
And when we use it that way, instead of thinking, oh,
this thing manifested in my life, something must be going wrong.
I'm doing something wrong. I shouldn't be experiencing this. I
should be beyond this. If it's happening, it's happening for
a reason. It's there, and it's there, maybe even to
test yourself to see are you going to react the
same old way and give it the same old negative
definition that you used to, or are you going to
respond differently to the situation, Because from his perspective, it's
not about the outside world changing that proves you've changed.
It's about you responding differently to what's going on, even
if it still looks the same. That's what proves you've changed,
because if you really haven't changed, and you really respond
the same old way or react the same old way,
well then why should the outside world change because you
really haven't because you're still reacting the same way you
used to. So reacting differently, responding differently is what actually
change is all about, and then ultimately will cause the
outside to change, because it's just a mirror. It's just
a reflection. And it's like saying I'm looking in mirror
and I'm watching my face frown, but I insist that
it should smile. It's not going to smile until you do.
It just can't. It's a mirror, right.
Speaker 1: It's like when I was younger, I had road rage
because I was an angry dude when I was younger,
and I mean, I mean, I mean, I come from
Los Angeles, Jesus uhlive. But but as I've gotten older
and hopefully evolved a bit more as an adult or
as a soul, things like that don't bother. I don't
take it personal. If someone's like, I'm like, I just
walk and just let it go. But when I was younger,
I would just got in there. It was crazy, right.
Speaker 2: Because you have definitions, unconscious definitions that you think something
wrong is happening to you right now?
Speaker 1: Dare you cut me off?
Speaker 2: Right? And who I am? Yeah? I heard a story
the other day about a a person at the check
encounter at an airport who was facing a customer like that, right,
he didn't get what he wanted, like, don't you know
who I am? And she just got on the intercom
and said, if there's someone in the airport who can
come and help us, I have a gentleman here who
doesn't know who is way to handle that?
Speaker 1: What an amazing way to handle that. Oh my god,
that's amazing. You touched upon something in regards to know
everything being meaningless in a sense, and I understand what
you mean by that and the concepts of good and bad,
and that from my understanding, from what I've been able
to comprehend, is that good and bad are relative concepts
that we apply based on our moral set that is
given to us by our societies.
Speaker 2: There are value judgments. Vishar avoids using the words good
and bad. He talks about positive and negative energies, and
from his perspective, that's really just a mechanical discription. In
other words, positive is what unites, what expands, what connects.
Negative is simply what segregates, diminishes, separates, you know, and
can sort of you know, reduce your perspective, limit your perspective.
So he's really talking about the idea that, yes, there
can be positive, there can be negative, but sometimes you
can also use a negative thing for a positive reason
and a positive thing for a negative reason. So that's
why he avoids the idea of the value judgments of
good and bad because that's really nebulous from his perspective.
And he's trying to describe what's happening to us energetically
and mechanically when we think about it in terms of
positive and negative energy or a mechanism that we're using,
because look at I mean, we've got you know, we
are these expanded beings, these unlimited spirits, but we have
used the idea of a negative mechanism to limit our
consciousness in order to have a physical experience, because we
are more than this. So we're using a quote unquote
negative mechanism for a positive reason. And that's why it's
not just cut and dried, black and White Da him
depends on what you do with it. How do you
use it?
Speaker 1: Now you mentioned Bashard's formula. Can you there's I think
four or five steps in that. Can you just yeah, five?
Can you just quickly kind of go over those five steps?
Speaker 2: Sure? And each of these require a deeper explanation for
people to truly understand how this works. And this is
a toolkit. In fact, he actually refers to it as
an instruction manual, the same way that you would get
an instruction manual to operate a piece of machinery. He said,
if you follow the instructions, the machine will work as
advertised to your benefit. If you don't, maybe the machine
will work, but maybe you'll injure yourself or something else
will fall apart in the machine. So the five steps
in his instruction manual or the formula are to act
on your passion, to do it as fully as you can,
for as long as you can, until you can do
it no further. To act on it. And this is
a big one for a lot of people, to act
on it with absolutely zero assumption or a zero insistence
on what the outcome of that action should look like
or be. Number four, stay in a positive state no
matter what happens, because you can get a benefit out
of it that way. And number five, you have to
allow yourself to really examine your belief systems to find
out why you believe what you believe, because very often
we just do it out of habit. And so it's
those five things allow people to gain an insight and
gain in a sense control over their lives when they're
applying this very specifically and very precisely in their lives.
When they do that, all these things start happening that
are connected to it. Our lives become synchronistic, more synchronosity
happens in our lives. It becomes a path of least resistance.
It connects us to other expressions of our excitement. It
becomes the driving engine in our lives, giving us the
energy to move forward. It reflects to us anything out
of alignment within our belief system so that we can
examine it and let it go. It connects us to
whatever form of support we need. These things happen automatically
when you follow those five steps. It's really magical. But
it is not just the idea of magic. It's the
idea that this is how reality works. He's actually describing
to us how we're creating our reality, but we don't
know that we're doing it this way. So when we
follow those five steps for the reasons that he explains
why they're important, then it just opens everything up and
you start seeing how everything is connected and how you
can take advantage of any situation that happens in your
life and see it from a completely different perspective. It's
really quite astonishing.
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and now back to the show. And it's pretty powerful.
Steps those five steps. You can do that, which is not,
by the way, easy all the time.
Speaker 2: Believe that's a belief.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I.
Speaker 2: Know what you mean. I know what you mean. It
is challenging because we are so ingrained in outdated definitions. Correct,
you're right and that. But he's also said, there's no
such thing as a difficult situation. Only our definitions make
it difficult. So we have to hold on to the idea.
This is why it's so important from his perspective, to
create new definitions, because a lot of metaphysical thought, a
lot of spiritual thought, is structured on very outdated definitions,
and we're not understanding we may be describing an experience,
but we're not necessarily describing the mechanism that is causing
the experience, even though we may think we are. So
that difference, I mean, let this analogy works. He is
given will say that the sun sets. We know the
sun doesn't set. We know the Earth evolves, and that's
why we see that experience. So describing the experience of
a sunset doesn't describe the mechanism that causes that experience.
And this is the vast difference. What he's saying about
certain metaphysical concepts we have and why we think they work,
are not why they work. And by getting caught up
in the old definitions, we get caught up in repeating
the same patterns, the same habits, and all this kind
of stuff, and we can't figure out how to get
out of it. It's the new definitions. It's seeing the
mechanism for what it is that creates the experience, that
frees us to see things in a different way. In
the same way that when scientists decided, oh, it's the
Earth that revolves around the sun, and the Sun isn't
actually revolving around the Earth, it changed our entire reality.
So it's the same thing metaphysically that Vishar is attempting
to do for us is give his definitions that unlock
us from the past and propel us toward the future
from a completely different perspective.
Speaker 1: So those definitions that you're talking about that are outdated,
those those definitions when they were created, were created for
the time and evolution of the people at that moment
in time, which is basically religion. A lot of ideas
that were talked about two thousand years ago don't apply
too much right now because in the Bible, slavery was okay,
I mean pretty much everyone had it back then. Now
it's frowned upon and as it should be. But that's
an example, a very you know, a very interesting example
of old ideas, old definitions at old just everything that
don't apply to us today and how it needs to evolve.
Speaker 2: Is that a fair statement, Yes, And that's exactly what
he's doing. So again, a deeper understanding of the metaphysical
side of that evolution, again is what allows us to
understand how reality works more deeply and allows us to
sort of open our eyes and say, oh, you know,
I am free to do this, I am free to
see things in a different way. I am free to
explore something I never thought I could explore because I
didn't understand how it actually worked. So now we can
do that if we understand the information that he's sharing
with us.
Speaker 1: And again, I mean, I've brought this movie up so
many times on the show, and I'll continue to bring
it up because it is just such a deep, onion
layered film, which is the Matrix. You're a sci fi guy,
I'm a sci fi guy. We'd love that kind of stuff.
But the more you look at the first Matrix, the
more you understand that journey. As as Neo is starting
to realize his true nature, he's starting to understand how
to bend reality in the matrix, which is an analogy
for our illusion if you will or maya if you will,
the reality we're in, he's able to start bending it.
So obviously that's a fantastical way of looking upon it.
We're not going to maybe we could dotch bullets, I'm
not sure, but being able to move our reality in
a different way, and I've experienced very, very heavily that
ability to be able to shift reality in the directions
I wanted to go. And it start off with some
small little things. But as you get older and you
start practicing it more, you start going no, I think,
go here there.
Speaker 2: And it's like anything you practice and you get better
at it and your reality starts reflecting that ability. So yeah,
I and I'm seeing insane synchronicities in my life that
are just you know, crazy stuff, but it's becoming the normal.
You know, things just happen, Things just show up when
they need to precisely perfectly, and it's like, okay, you
know that that tells me I'm aligned with myself and
that I'm applying these things in the way that actually
makes me able to speer my life in a better direction.
So yeah, there are actual physical results to this.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's pretty it's and I know a lot of
people talk about the law of attraction and now the
whole secret thing, and there is a I think that
was just such a top layer of that concept, but
it did introduce it to a mass amount of people.
Speaker 2: Yes, And actually Bashar relatively recently talked about how there's
a little bit of a misunderstanding with the law of attraction.
It is what you put out is what you get back.
But I, at least as far as I was exposed
to it, and it's not wrong. The idea that you
have to be of a certain frequency to attract certain
things is correct. I think where he's saying we have
a little bit of a misunderstanding is we think we
have to learn that frequency. What he's saying is it's
just the opposite. We are that frequency. That's our natural state.
It's our core vibration, and our core vibration is designed
to attractt everything we need in life. So it's not
about having to learn that frequency. It's about getting out
of its way. It's about not having beliefs that block
that frequency. So it's more a matter of getting things
that aren't relevant for us out of the way than
it is having to learn how to give off that
frequency that's our natural frequency.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like taking layers off of clothes. Little
like you're stacked on with tons and tons of coats
and jackets and sweaters, and slowly but surely you're pulling
it away to get to the true essence of who
you are without all that crap on you.
Speaker 2: Exactly, if you want the sun to reach your skin,
you've got to take all those clothes.
Speaker 1: Off, right, and little by little but we walk around
many with tons and tons of stuff on top of you.
Speaker 2: Right, So when you know, when people go around thinking, Okay,
I've got to learn this frequency, it's kind of like
they don't really realize that they're wearing all these clothes,
you know. It's like they're trying to do something that
they're already doing but don't know they're doing, and it
causes a lot of diffusion. So if they realize that
that frequency is really who we are and we just
have to strip off all this other stuff that's not
who we are, then it's an easier idea. It's something
that we can start looking specifically at, well, what is
in the way of that frequency, rather than what do
I do to learn that frequency? You know, because that
can be kind of very nebulous, what do I do?
You know? But it's like, oh, I can find this
negative belief, I can find this fear based belief within me,
and I can let it go, and that clears the
way for that frequency to attract what you're named because
it's already operating like a whitehouse.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's just knowledge, it's just information
that we need to If you don't know what you're
looking for. So that's the insanity of what we were
talking about, which is like, I need to find how
to run faster, learn how to run faster with all
these coats on. I'm like, you could just take off
the coats, but you don't know that you're wearing the
coats exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's that, to me, is the essential benefit of
Bishard's information. He's exactly telling you what to look for
and how to let it go, how to take that
code off. Specifically mechanically speaking, it's just like, this is
an instant manual. Unbutton the button, unbutton the button, unbutton
the button, take it off. He's literally guiding us that specifically.
Speaker 1: Well, it's Plato's allegory of the cave. I mean, it's
essentially it. We're trying to let everybody know there's something outside.
Speaker 2: It's not going to be afraid it, don't be afraid.
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of light outside, but go
outside is much better than this shadow show on the
walls that we've been thinking is real exactly.
Speaker 2: But see, here's the thing he talks about, you know,
the structure of beliefs, positive negative beliefs, because physical reality
isn't real beliefs are what make it seem real because
they reinforce themselves with emotions and thoughts and behaviors that
reinforce the idea that what the belief is telling us
is a fact. But when you understand the belief is
just a belief, then you can deconstruct it and let
it go. But beliefs are designed to perpetuate themselves because
they have to, or we wouldn't have a physical experience
because physical reality isn't real. So a positive belief, we
don't care if it reinforces itself because we like what
it's telling us about ourselves. But the negative beliefs have.
Speaker 1: To use we'll be right back after a word from
our sponsor and now back to the show, sort.
Speaker 2: Of negative mechanisms to reinforce themselves. They're not doing it maliciously,
it's just the way they're designed to perpetuate a physical experience.
So many times a negative belief will will have its
own set of tools, so to speak, to prevent you
from finding it, so it'll make you afraid to look,
which you have to right exactly, so you have to
be aware that that is not a fact, that something
worse will happen if you go looking for the negative belief.
It's just what the negative belief is telling you in
order to perpetuate itself so that you can keep having
a physical experience. Once you understand that, you have a
skeleton key to unlock it, because now you go, oh,
it's not a fact. This is just a story it's
telling me about myself. I don't have to buy into
this story. I can replace it with a different belief
and have a different story experience.
Speaker 1: And the term story, you know, I've said that so
many times, is the story that you tell yourself, is
the story you live. So if you believe that you
are you know, loved, and are worthy of happiness and
worthy of you finding your dream and finding your mission
in life, and if you're all, that's all a story.
Where earlier in my life, I'm sure you as well,
before you started going down this path, you know, you
were probably I mean I was. I was angry. I
was angry, I mean angry at at why I was
working with you know, twenty three year old filmmakers who
got three million dollars for their future. I'm like, who
the hell gave you this money?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Exactly, Angry for a lot of reasons. You don't
even know why you're angry.
Speaker 1: You know, I was, I was so, I was so.
I mean, I can't explain to you how angry I
was as a young man for no reason, because I
would be. I lived well, I had a family who
loved me, I had food over my had I had
no major traumas that I can think of, at least
that were I was pretty good. Looking back, it was
me I would have slapped.
Speaker 2: Myself, yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, wake up. But yeah, you know,
but we see, we pick up a lot of stuff,
you know, body language, telepathically, all this stuff, growing up
in a society that is angry at not realizing its
full potential. See deep down, we know, you know, we
know that we're off base in a lot of ways.
And I think that because we haven't had the tools
to deal with that specifically, at least not you know,
for the mass consensus. You know, we get angry at ourselves,
and we get angry at life, and we get angry
why isn't it the way it wasn't spirit? And you know,
why can't we do this? And why can't we do that?
We forget that we are here for a reason to
learn something until we mature enough to start seeing that idea.
So yeah, we kind of come in picking up all
sorts of anger from the society that's been experiencing negative
things for thousands of years. And even, like you said,
when we have a great benefit in our lives, or
several benefits in our lives, we tend to ignore that
and overlook it because we're just so caught up in
this emotional turmoil that is human society on earth and
has been for thousands of years with few exceptions, you know,
but all the great teachers that have come along, you
know whatever, Christ, Buddha, Krishna, whatever, they've all been saying
the same thing. And it's not like, really follow me.
It's be like me. That's what it means. Sure, absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Not one of them is like you must bow down,
you must get you must worshiped. None of them said that.
Speaker 2: No, When you know, when Jesus says I am the way,
he means, be this way and everything will pull together,
he's not. It's not I'm the only one. He even said,
you know, you are gods and you will do greater
things than I have done. So you know, people aren't
really listening to that. Because they're so used to feeling
worthless and powerless that all they can do is latch
onto someone who isn't and follow them. But then a
whole bunch of misinterpretations happen because they think that person
has all the power and they have none. All these
teachers have been trying to tell us we have all
the power and we are we are internally the kingdom
of God. You know, it's just people aren't really.
Speaker 1: You know, right, as Yogunanda said, Christ was crucified for
one day and his teaching is crucified for two thousand
years black which is it's perfect, a perfect, perfect saying
which I glanted to ask you because you've met you
brought them up, these kind of masters, these kind of
ascended masters, as in Eastern Philosophy's call days ascended masters.
What is Bouchard's feeling about those those teachers, those masters,
over the course of thousands of years who've come, and
there's been many of them. It's not Jesus just happens
to have a really good pr person. So does Buddha.
Speaker 2: Exactly well, he says exactly what I said. It's like,
you know, our collective consciousness gives us these opportunities through
these beings on a regular basis every now and then
for every culture, and it's our opportunity to really open
up and pay attention to what they're telling us instead
of falling back into the old definitions. I am powerless,
you are all powerful. I have to give you my fealty,
and I'm worthless and nothing without you. We have to
stop lit listening to that story, because that's not the
story that these ascended masters are telling us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Now, I wanted to ask you what the
Shards definition of a soul is.
Speaker 2: A soul is an expression of your consciousness on a
certain level that explores expanding itself in a specific number
of ways. Because there are higher levels to that, some
of which have been referred to in literature as over souls.
Of course, you know source all that is, God and
everything in between. But a soul is an individuated reflection
of all that is. In the same way, let's say
you're standing in the center of a hall of mirrors
and you see a reflection. That one reflection is a
unique reflection from a unique angle, unique perspective to him,
that's a soul. But because everything is made of consciousness,
it's also conscious. So each individual soul is a unique
reflection of God, Goddess, all that is that has its
own unique ability to understand itself, to know itself from
that unique perspective, thus adding to the overall experience of
all that is of itself. So the soul, the individual soul,
can have individual experiences rather than collective ones. It's designed
for the purpose of being able to sort of split
itself into non physical and physical consciousness, to have a
physical reality experience. I mean, from Bashark's perspective, because physical
reality is an illusion. He's saying, your natural state is spirit.
You are there now, you're in spirit. You're kind of
just pretending that you're not. You're dreaming that you're not
in spirit. A part of you is dreaming that it's not,
but most of you is in spirit. That's your natural state.
And I would say, you know, in a sense, that's
your individual soul. Does that explain it enough? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's a fairly large question. So
I think you did fine. You know, it's like, what's
the meaning of life? Like, I mean, it's not a
one answer, one sentence answer, but no, that's a really
good I just wanted to get Bschard's perspective on that
concept of a soul because it's so it's been defined
so many different ways, again depending on societal and religious
and things.
Speaker 2: And none of them in a sense are wrong definitions.
They're just different perspectives of that different.
Speaker 1: They're different parts of the elephant in the room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's kind of like it goes back
to what we're saying about, you know, ascended masters and things,
where you know, the way we look at it is,
you know, you have all of these antagonistic excluding kinds
of things where you know, one group is saying, hey,
Jesus is God, and another group is saying no, Christna
is God. And another group is saying Jehovah is God,
and another people saying Allah is God. But it's not
that Jesus is God, Christiana is God, Allah is God,
Jehovah's God. It's that God is Jesus, God is Allah,
God is Jehovah, God is Christian. God is anything and
everything and all of us and all that is. We're
made of it. We're made of God. There is nothing
outside of it. From Bisharkh's perspective, so it's it's we're
reversing the idea back to understanding that none of the
religions in a sense are wrong. It's just that they're
misunderstanding that there's a bigger picture to the idea and
they have a piece of it. They have a reflection
of the whole, not the whole from some or their
culture for their perspective.
Speaker 1: Right, And again it's just tribal, it's it's societal. I mean,
depending on where you wherever you were born, is the
perspective of morals you're going to get right exactly.
Speaker 2: So in a sense, it's just people have to understand
that all of those things are true and not just
all I have the right one and you don't, and
you're going to hell because you don't. You know, all
of that in a sense is true. There are misinterpretations
in it, but the thing of it is is it's
all equal because it doesn't matter what path you take.
It all leads to the same understanding.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,
and now back to the show. So you bring up
a good point on something that there's a lot of
stuff going on in the world right now, and there's
a lot of quote unquote bad stuff happening or things
like that negatively, a lot of yet negative things happening.
Why do and this is a question I know a
lot of people have. This is why I'm asking it.
Why does God allow people like putin?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the wrong I think that's the
wrong question because God, God, being everything, doesn't need to allow.
God just is it just is. We are making the choices.
We have the freedom to choose. That's our greatest power.
We can be negative, we can be positive. You have
to realize that when you go to a dictionary and
look up the word unconditional, it means there are no conditions.
If we say, oh, God is unconditional love, we have
to really stress the word unconditional. It doesn't matter because
everything is God. So yes, there are negative expressions of it,
there are positive expressions of it, but it's in our hands.
That's why we're individuated souls. We get to decide how
to express the idea. It's not that God willed it
or allows it. It just is part of what God is,
and we get to decide. The control is in our
hands about how we want to express the part of
God we are. So we can't blame God for not
stepping in and intervening. Because it's an unconditional experience to exist,
we get to decide what that existence is. Like.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just like at the beginning of
a football game. One one team has got on their side,
the other team has got on their side. I mean,
they're all both praying to like I need to win,
I need to I love the other person, but I
want to destroy them today. Can you help me? Jesus?
Like I always found that fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And likewise, it's like, Okay, you know some people
when good things happen, you know, they go praise Jesus.
Why don't they say praise Jesus when things don't go
their way? Isn't that also something that could serve them?
You know? But again it's that tribal, limited focused kind
of idea that it's you know, it's all about me,
and it's all about my connection and no one else's
and it's just you know, it's everything, it's everything, and
we get to decide what it is. So that's what
God is all about, is we get to decide. That's
what it means to have free will. Yes, we set
up our own destinies. But within that we have our
own free will too, so it's up to us.
Speaker 1: Now, a question I have for you is do we
have spiritual guidance through our lives? Do we have beings that,
whether it be a sended master, spirit, guides, angels, whatever
on the other side, who are guiding us through our
our blueprint of our life though as we have set
it out before, our life plan to teach us the
lessons that we need to learn.
Speaker 2: Yes, they help, they guide, but they don't do it
for us corre, because it's up to us. But they
do suggest they do God. I mean in a sense
that question is almost like saying, well, do we have
friends in life? Do we have family? Sure? Well, why
is spirit any different? We have friends, we have family there,
we have people that we may have interacted with in
various ways. We may have people that are just simply
doing it because that's what they've chosen to do. So, yeah,
we have guides, We have help. We always have help.
And you know, Bashar has often said, which as a
phrase I really like, is that you know you don't
have to ask for more help. He said, You're being
given all the help you can possibly be given what
you need to do is awaken and pay attention to
the help you're already getting. You just have to be
more aware of it. That's what praying is for, and
stuff like that, is just making yourself more grateful for
what you're already receiving because you're giving. You're being given
everything you can possibly be given. Nothing is being withheld
from you. It's wakening to the fact that you are
in a state of appreciation and gratitude for what's already
helping you, and then you can start perceiving it more
clearly by being in that state again, what you put
out is what you get back.
Speaker 1: Very true, very very true. You know, another another question
I have for you, and I'd love to hear Bashard's
point of view in this, you know, and please tell me.
I don't want to answer it, but really, but what
part does religion have in our evolution as a as
a society throughout history, not just now?
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on the person and what they get
out of it, really, I mean, okay, anything in physical
reality he calls a permission slip. In other words, it's
some technique, some tool, some objects, some ritual, some situation
you believe you need to give yourself permission to be
more of who you are. If religion is the way
that works for you, that's the way that works for you. Now.
I know, in general, religion generally can be disempowering in
the sense of, well, you need me to tell you
how to relate to God and you don't have that
ability yourself, well, which I think is nonsense. But again,
if it's a technique, a tool, a path that works
for you to allow you to know more who you are,
to be a more positive, creative person, go with it
all day long. It's fine, it doesn't matter. But if
you're using it in the negative way to segregate, to separate,
to look down upon on, to feel better than you know,
than others, and stuff like that, I think it's lost
its meaning and it's simply taking the form of the
fear based beliefs that are in the person that is
practicing that religion.
Speaker 1: And to piggyback on that, what is Bischard's point of
view on reincarnation and that idea? Because there are billions
of people.
Speaker 2: Don't you think I know? I know it? Okay, again,
now we're getting into you know, real deep metaphysics here.
Reincarnation to him is real as an experience, it's not
an accurate description of the mechanism. In other words, again,
everything exists at once. Time is an illusion. So if
everyone and everything exists at the same time and it's
only separated by this illusion of time, then to him,
the experience of reincarnation is created like this, what we
call the past is something that exists right now. What
we call the future is something that exists right now.
We make an energetic connection to someone that exists right
now in what we call the past as a label,
because we need to download experience and information from them
that will help us in this life. In this theme
that we're exploring, we because we're stuck in linear time,
so to speak, stuck, we're focused, we'd be a better word.
Because we're focused in linear time. We treat that energetic
connection and download of information as a memory. I used
to be that person. No, that person is that person.
But you're making a connection to that person and downloading
information and interpreting it as a memory so that it
seems as if you are reincarnated as that person. So
you can have the illusional experience of reincarnate. You can
create the feeling that I've lived before and I will
live again as another person. But since all people exist
at the same time, it's really functioning more like a
dynamically interactive internet, where you're exchanging information constantly in the
present to all these other beings. But linearly looking at
it as if while I was this person now and
this person, I'll be that person. So you're using linear
time to create the experience of reincarnation. But all of
this is happening at the same time. It's multiple simultaneous
incarnations on a higher level, what you might want to
call the oversoul. We might all be extensions of the
same higher oversoul. And from that level you can say, well,
that's my life and my life, and that's my life
and that's my life, but only as the higher level,
not as the individuated person. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: It does. We're definitely getting into the weeds, deep into
the weeds here.
Speaker 2: This is why Bashar preps us over years to understand
things like parallel realities. Time is an illusion. He really
can explain the whole mechanism of how this functions. And
again that's one of the things of the difference between
the definition of an experience and the definition of a
mechanism that's making the experience happen.
Speaker 1: And I think you're right when when you're saying the
Bashar is prepping you these concepts. Even in my own life,
things that I hold as truths now, I thought was
crazy when I was younger, because I couldn't comprehend these Yeah, yeah,
how is that possible? How could I ever do this
in my life? How could I ever do that in
my life? These are beliefs that you slowly but once
the seed is dropped, right, it does grow. Sometimes the
soil is just a fertile.
Speaker 2: True not being water enough, and it's a barren.
Speaker 1: But other times you do you know now and I
and again it's only as you get older you look
back and you go, oh, I was being prepped for.
I read this book that threw these ideas into my
head that I never thought of before.
Speaker 2: Right, it's all hours. Although now there are new generations
coming up that understand these things more quickly, because I
think they forget less of who they are. They're not
taught to forget a little and they are so you know.
And that's another thing that's happening in with Bshard's information too,
is you know, I've now run into, you know, ten
year old kids that they can explain exactly what he's saying.
They get it. They just get it. Oh, it's exactly
makes sense to them, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean I have kids as well,
and you could just see them, like, my god, they're
so much better prepared for life than I was at
that age. We'll be right back after a word from
our sponsor and now back to the show. But at
that but my parents, parents were just didn't have the information.
The tool sets weren't there in the in the world
at that time, and the consciousness of the of society
wasn't there. I mean, and I always use the concept
of like meditation, like in the seventies you were meditating,
you were crazy, you were nuts.
Speaker 2: And talk about yeah crazy. And channeling in the beginning
was like what the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 1: I can only imagine forty years ago. Darryl like, you're like,
so I'm a channel. I'm sorry, what do you want
to change the channel? No, no, you're I'm a channel.
I talked to somebody else and they come through me
and they're like, sir, this right, this way to the way.
Just put this white coat on. I know, this leaves
are a little bit longer, just put them on.
Speaker 2: Right this way.
Speaker 1: But no, but now, But now the concept of channeling
is not only more broadly accepted, it's still not widely accepted,
but broadly accepted. But it's in the it's in the
vernacular of society. People are like, oh, I was channeling,
I was channeling this great person to do this or
so these But these ideas weren't around forty years ago.
So you can see ideas changing without question.
Speaker 2: Right, because definitions change, so you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's fantasty. So one question, another question I have
for you about Bishar. What does he see in the
coming years for humanity? Is he having he is he
seeing anything that is he is? He is a positive
or a negative scenario moment for.
Speaker 2: Again, remember back to what we were saying about, you
never change the world you're on. You change yourself and
you go to a version of earth, You shift to
a version of Earth that is already more reflective. So
it depends on each individual as to what they will
experience in the future. He's very loath to make prediction.
The only the few rare occasions he's made predictions. He's saying, look,
there's no such thing as a prediction of the future.
He's saying. What a person is doing when they predict
is they're sensing the energy that exists in present and
if that energy has a lot of momentum behind it
and it's unlikely to change, there's a high degree of
probability it will manifest. However, you have to realize that
once a prediction is made, it changes the energy because
now you know about it, and if you don't prefer
what it's telling you is inevitable, you can actually change that.
So that's why the only few times he's ever made predictions,
he's saying, it's unlikely this momentum is going to change. Therefore,
I will tell you that this is the highest probability.
I remember in nineteen ninety eight, it's on record in
a recording he said before the end of two thousand
and one, there will be a terrorist attack in New York.
He said, this is unlikely to change, and obviously we
had nine to eleven. So there are times when he
can pick up on the highest probability and say this
is what the highest probability is, and it's unlikely to change,
which is the only reason I'm telling you about it.
But other than that, he doesn't usually want to make predictions,
especially because again, as I just said, it's up to
each individual as to what they're really going to experience
in the future if they change themselves.
Speaker 1: And it's when you say that everyone experiences or shifts
into another earth, that is one that they experience, regardless
of whether you believe in parallel earth or any and
that stuff. That's fine. But in the Great Depression, some
people were on the street. Other people's made fortunes. During
two thousand and eight, some people coasted through, other people
lost everything. Right now, there's people living very different lives.
People in the Ukraine are living very different lives that
we're living here. There's different experiences at the same moment
in time all the time. Everywhere you go, there's always
a different But if we're experiencing the same event, certain
people handle it differently or experience it differently than others.
And it's throughout history that's been the case.
Speaker 2: Yes, And the idea again is you know, to really
take this another step further. We're shifting all the time.
We're shifting right now, We're shifting billions of times per
second into different parallel versions of Earth. It's just that
we do it so smoothly we don't realize we're shifting.
So the idea is, because physical reality is an illusion,
the very concept of movement actually entails shifting through different
parallel realities in much the same way that an animated
film shifts through different frames to create the illusion of
movement on the screen. So even doing this, according to Bishar,
entails having shifted literally through billions of different parallel realities.
Because this is a reality. This is a reality, This
is a reality. This is a reality again, just like
frames on a film strip. And he's saying, it's just
happening so fast you don't realize it's happening. You're not
seeing the flicker going from one frame to another.
Speaker 1: Well, I've never heard it explain like that before, but I,
as a don't maker, I completely understand what you're saying now,
because every frame is a different expression of that scene,
and only when they're played back to back or the
shift is when you get the illusion of movement. Movies
video is an illusion of they're just still frames played
back at a certain frame.
Speaker 2: Rate, saying physical reality is actually structured that way. That's
why there are parallel realities because you have an infinite
number of frames and you can go in any direction.
So it's a batter of your frequency choosing which frames
you're experiencing and which frames you're agreeing to experience similar
to someone else, which allows us to have this conversation.
We are both agreeing that we will shift through frames
that allow this conversation to exist, but we're still shifting
through frames, and my reality shift is not your reality shift.
Your reality shift is a different reality. But we're agreeing
to shift through frames that make it appear as if
we're sharing the same reality, which we're not.
Speaker 1: My head's my head's about to mushroom cloud. That's no,
it's great, it's it's amazing. Darryl, thank you so much.
I'm gonna ask you last few questions I asked all
of my guests. You were going to say something go ahead, no, no, no,
go ahead. What is your definition of a good life.
Speaker 2: Being true to yourself, being who you really are?
Speaker 1: How do you define God all.
Speaker 2: That is everything, nothing is outside of it?
Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life.
Speaker 2: Being yourself and allowing yourself to add to the expansion
of existence? I mean, it's again, goes back to who
are you really as a reflection of all that is?
What is it that makes you you? And how much
can you really be that you? Can you see through
the illusion? Can you learn to grow? Can you learn
who you are more deeply? Can you be more of yourself?
Can you act on the things that are truly you?
Which is what passion is all about. Passion is an
indication of your true life, your true vibration. So it's
being you, it's knowing yourself and being willing to act
on that.
Speaker 1: And dere Where can people find out more about you
the work you're doing with Bishar, your books, your courses,
your videos, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: They can go to two different websites. They can go
to Bishar dot org, b A s h A r
dot org or they can go to darryl Anca dot
com b A R R Y l A n k
A dot com to find out what's going on with us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have a fantastic YouTube channel. You put
out videos all the time with Bishar. Is that correct?
Speaker 2: All sorts of ways to you know, hear what he
has to say. There's there's literally hundreds of recordings of
events that Bshar has done, and you know people are
welcome to explore and decide for themselves whether it's something
that they are interested in.
Speaker 1: There it has been a pleasure my friend. Talking to
is always I can talk to you for days, so
please come back again. Absolutely, I love it, I love talking.
I love talking to you, my friend, and I again
thank you for not only coming back, but also for
all the amazing work you've been doing over these four decades,
which is impossible because you look twenty five, so I
don't understand.
Speaker 2: Daney has been very, very good to be my friend.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thanks Alex, take care.
Speaker 1: Thank you for spending this sacred time with us today.
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