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world of BWA sports says. The college football season begins
to wind down. We're getting into bowl season, We're getting
into the offseason.
Speaker 2: Talk.
Speaker 1: Are we mentally, emotionally, spiritually, temperar Are we just jumping
right into the basketball season now? Are we saying, hey,
bat Football's done, We're good and now we're just transitioning
into the basketball season. We're gonna discuss that and much more.
What are still some of the topics of hoard to
the BYU college football fan base, the Cougar fan base
out there. Maybe it's roster attention, Maybe it's senior balls,
Maybe it's you know, draft evaluations, Maybe it's the transfer portal.
What is it that's keeping you bought into BYU? The
Bowl game, obviously with Georgia Tech, would have been better,
would have been great with a grand would have been
wonderful had Notre Dame decided to play the game. Rather
than being the fighting Irish, they became the quitting Irish,
and that I would have kept us maybe a little
bit more bought in. But I think there are some
out there in Cougar Country that are moving on to
BYU basketball Top ten team that just knocked down the
knocked off the Clemson Tigers in MSG. Their only loss
is to potentially the national champion of college basketball ukhon
and coach Hurley. They are very talented, they are very robust,
they are very well resourced, and they got the coops. Unfortunately,
because BYU is a second half team rather than being
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Where are you at mentally right now as a bou fan?
Are you putting the football season to bed? You're like, ah, yeah,
the bowl game, that's fine, That's okay, Pop Tard's Bowl,
you know whatever, and you've moved on one hundred percent
to basketball.
Speaker 2: Not no, not one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: But I think ending the regular season the way it
did and getting snubbed out of the college football Playoff,
I think it makes it a little bit easier to
focus more of our attention on a basketball at this point. Obviously,
there's still some recency bias as well, because we're just
getting off that like electric win against Clemson. So I
think that's not helping, you know, my my football cravings
right now.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you got to think about it this way.
Speaker 3: We have a fantastic basketball team, so what's not excited
to be? You know, I'm super excited about the basketball season,
But what's going to happen is the Bowl Game's gonna
sneak up on me all of a sudden. It's this
nice little treat at the end of December.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, the twenty seventh in Orlando, right after Christmas exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm I'm thrilled for that too. I actually
went to the Georgia Tech b Why you played Georgia Tech.
Speaker 2: I think it was early two thousands. I'm like.
Speaker 1: Four.
Speaker 2: It was a Gary Croton game. I remember that.
Speaker 1: I want to say it was two thousand and four.
Speaker 3: So I went to that game, and my my friend
in high school was actually the cousin of the punt
returner on Georgia Tech's team. But that was actually a
fantastic game. Really enjoyed going to Georgia Tech. We went
to a lot of away games when I was a kid,
and that was one of them.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and four, No, two thousand and three.
Speaker 2: That sounds about reason open in two.
Speaker 1: Thousand and three. It was on the road August twenty eight,
two thousand and three. I think that was the Dan
Coates game.
Speaker 2: Uh your Dan Coats Yeah, tight end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tight end. Yeah, he had a great game.
Speaker 3: I think he had a fantastic game. I'm trying to
remember who the quarterback was back then. That was like
kind of John Beck was was it?
Speaker 1: John? A young young quarterback, young talented quarterback and the
ace Arizona Go Toros? Is that where he went to
Mason Mountain View, baby, And everyone's wonder like why they
were so good and like in that day and age,
like they had like five thousand students and it was
like it was like sophomore it was like ten through
twelfth grade, so they didn't have a freshman class, but
they had like five thousand kids there. It wasn't that much,
but you know what I mean, they're like, oh, well, no, wonder,
they're so freaking good. They have all the talent just
aggregated and ten through twelfth anyways, Yeah, you can tell
I'm a little bit better because I was on the
west side, northwest side in Glendale, Arizona, and we didn't
have that. We had two thousand students there. We were
five ayes well, but nine through twelve, so and the
freshman classes are typically a little bit bigger at any rate. Yes,
two thousand and three was the last time that BYU
and Georgia Tech played, and be all you got to
win twenty four to thirteen, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.
That was a great game, great game for the coops.
If I if I do remember accurately, I'll have to
pull up the stat sheet. But I want to say
Dan coachs had himself a day was oh wait, no,
but that was at home? That was not in a
way setting was it.
Speaker 3: At home or a way that would have been in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: So then that would have been early two two thousand
and two or two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, I want to say that it was like
a dominie or something like that. Maybe not.
Speaker 1: Now you got me searching it anyway, I know you're
still hanging up, like, what are some of the topics
that are keeping BYU fans dialed into BYU football right now?
Speaker 3: You know, you start this time of year, you start
seeing some of the players tweeting out that they're looking
for other opportunities to transfer portal stuff. We've fared really
well obviously in the transfer portal over the past couple
of years, and I think that's probably gonna be a
trend that we see for a while. But it's obviously
like transfer portal type stuff, there's always a couple of
surprises out there. Yeah, you mentioned it earlier, like Senior
Bowl invites and stuff like that. We're already seeing some
of those trickle in as well.
Speaker 1: Jack Kelly getting a nice invite, Austin Lay who's also
getting an invite to a Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully we're see in a few more players that
are deserving of it to to get some invites as well.
Obviously the stuff leading up to the actual game itself. Uh,
Georgia Tech is not like a they're not a pushover.
Actually haven't followed them very closely. I mean for a
long time there were like a they're known to be
a triple option team. I don't even know if they're
running that anymore, I don't think so. Okay, well, so
it'll be interesting to like really catch up on Georgia Tech,
like who they are as a team, because I mean
they're they're not like, ah, they're not a blue blood
when it comes to to football. So just better acquainting
myself with with the football team. So those are a
couple of the things that are like, you know, keeping
my interest a little bit obviously, like paying attention to, like.
Speaker 2: What players are gonna play in that game.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously Bear had an injury during the Big
twelve conference championship game.
Speaker 2: So just like you know, following that whole thing.
Speaker 3: I know, Aaron Roderck came out and talked a little
bit about that, either yesterday or the day before.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna play, Yeah, to play, He's gonna play.
He'll be fine. Oh that's that's what he said. Yeah,
that's fantastic. Yeah. One of the things that we broach
you mentioned Aaron Roderick. One of the questions that we
broached recently was, uh, yesterday for Aaron Roderick haters. He
has recruited coach developed these Quarterbackszach Wilson, Jared hall Keton
slows all three in the NFL right now. Actually Jared
is maybe out of the NFL now. I think he's
still trying to get into another camp this offseason. Jake
Redsloff is with Tulane, He's gonna be in the CFP.
Let his team to eleven and two season. Bear Bachmeyer,
you know, at what point do you give him credit
for what he's done as not only a quarterbacks coach
but a coordinator. And right now, if you look at
sp plus offensive efficiency last year was thirty six, this
year it's twenty third in the country.
Speaker 2: To do that with a freshman is incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, especially a fresh a true freshman who wasn't
a part of spring ball.
Speaker 2: I think that you have to do it now.
Speaker 3: I don't know why there are there's such a and
who knows if it's just like the vocal minority or whatever,
but I know that there is some animosity out there,
some some ill feelings towards Aaron Roderick. And I mean,
our record shows that, like we know how to win.
And maybe it's because we don't start off games super fast, right,
and we don't pile on the points or anything like that,
but we win games, which in my mind trump's everything else.
It's like, I couldn't care less if we're scoring a
million points. If we're we end up losing those games.
So maybe that's it. I'm honestly not sure what it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my follow up to this, and look, I don't
think there's ever been in OC and b YU football
history that that the majority of fans were completely happy
with and didn't want fired. Like when I asked the
question who's the greatest o C in BYU football history,
there is no consensus. Like you get the old, the old,
the Blue Hairs, they're gonna say Doug Scoville. You know,
Doug Shuy he was there for like two years early
on and then left and then came back for another
two years. Like, Doug Scoville, he's the one that built
this offense. And the swamp were at do we de
We Warren and I'm like, Broll, you can't go with
Doug Scoville and Dewey Warren. Come on, it's like the seventies,
Like no, but that before it all started. I'm like, yeah, well,
no one had VHS tapes, like, no one knew what
was going on, No one had scout scouting on area. Yeah,
so they did something innovator, but no one knew what
was gonna go on until you played them because they
didn't have freaking any video living in the seventies. You know,
no one's no one's sharing tape and scouted. Anyway, we
innovated and it came to pass it like, I just
don't think you can say Dunk Scolville. I'm not letting
you have Doug Scolville. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm not
gonna have it. So then you kind of move on
to like Norm Chow and I'm like, no. Like there
was a huge contingency of fans that did not like
Norm Chow and they were happy to see him go
and not become the next head coach of BYU. They
were happy. And what happened with Norm you know, when
Norm knew that he wasn't gonna be in the next
head coach, he went off to USC and became a
national champion OC with the Trojans.
Speaker 2: Do you want to know an interesting fact about Norm Chow?
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course I do.
Speaker 3: He was in my ward in North Carolina, so I
grew up in Raleigh, who are like the Rawley area.
He ended up being the oc NC state I think
it was during Chuck Amato's tenure there and he was
in my ward, so as a deacon, I was literally
passing him the Sacrament at various points throughout my life.
Speaker 1: I love it crazy, Yeah, nineteen ninety nine, He that's right.
He from BYU in nineteen ninety eight, went to NC
State in two thousand and then from from that he
jumped to USC from two thousand and one to two
thousand and four.
Speaker 2: He Yeah, he had a very short stint there, but yeah,
he was.
Speaker 1: And then he became the offensive coordinator for the Tennessee
Titans oh five toh seven, came back to UCLA eight
to twenty ten, at Utah in twenty eleven, and then
Hawaii as the head coach twenty twelve to twenty fifteen,
and then he kind of rolled rode off into the
sunset with like but by fans wanted him fired. I
don't care what anyone said, no one, not everyone was
completely happy. It's the same thing that's happening with Roderick
in my opinion, like, ah, yeah, a nice little Knight's
little loc but not good enough what they're doing right now.
And I've seen the commentary. Many of them are saying, no,
we don't want him fired. But what they're asking for
is they want another analyst, the senior analyst, to help
him out. That's kind of the new the new thing.
It's not fired because they can't because you look at
his resume, like, ah, we can't, we can't fire him.
But they're not fully happy with the offense. They just
want to see the jump. So you look at the
quarterback development, the quarterback recruiting, you look at the offensive
efficientcy metric. They have to at least abide by the
objective data metrics, and they're like, Okay, he doesn't deserve
to be fired by way. He's going to live it
into the last two seasons. But he's lacking something. So
they've converted over to senior analysts. Well, who's that senior
analyst that you're going to bring in that would be
akin to Gary Anderson on the defensive side of the ball.
And that's the debate I'm having with BYU fans right now.
It's like, Okay, well, who's that senior analyst that Aaron
Roderick loves and trust and has rapport with that he
will listen to in order to fill whatever void of
weakness that he currently has in his play calling ability.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the answer is we have no
idea who that individual is, right, I mean, well.
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone has ideas, sure, but people will say
Max Hall, some people will say John Beck, some people
will say Ty Demmer. If you're a former quarterback that's
coaching anywhere, they're gonna say that guy, right, that's the
low hanging fruit. It's, uh, why not bring back Robbie
Bosco as a player. But you know what I mean,
they may whatever. It's typically a quarterback that's the low
hanging fruit, okay, or someone that's LDS or has ties
to b YU that's you know, semi retired or retire.
That's what Gary Anderson is. So if you're gonna go
pick somebody up, someone that's been a head coach, someone
that's been a coordinator on the offensive side of the ball, shoot,
you may have to bring Norm Chow out of retirement.
I don't know what he's doing right now, no idea.
How old is Norm? Norm is?
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, so he's gotta be okay, So he's not.
Speaker 1: He's seventy nine, So it's not gonna be Norm unfortunately
for you guys.
Speaker 2: Probably probably not gonna be normal.
Speaker 1: Hopefully he's enjoying for Andy Reid. That's a home for
they're hoping for and Andy have a I know Ronald's
over here, like you know, it's like, no, you will
not you know, because he's a big Kansas City Chiefs fan.
But we were talking about, like the idealic situation for
b Way fans is like Kansas City's left out of
the playoffs. There's a there's a there's an uproar, there's
a firing, and then and he's like, you know what,
screw it, I'm going back to my alma model. Lets
go win a Natty and I'll be a senior analyst.
I'll help him recruit. Like, I don't know if it's
gonna happen, guys, I don't know, but we do have
a lot of money. How much is Andy making ten
mill ten million year?
Speaker 3: I think I saw a graphic recently that he's one
of the highest paid coaches in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's making twenty million antally.
Speaker 2: That's that's just from State Farm.
Speaker 1: I'm tell you, like I'll talk. I hope I really
do no offense. Andy. I hope you get fired and
you can go you can become a senior analyst and
be why you so that you can you can lead
us to a natty. Like that's the situation. I'm just
saying like if any look, you got enough money, now
you're gonna have You're gonna have a payout. You get
fired because you don't miss the playoffs one time and
you're one of the greatest NFL coaches all time, and
you're like, you know what, Screw the NFL. I'll be
a senior analyst. I have enough money. Now it's time
to give back to the Lord's University. As Elder Oaks
and Elder Holland stated in their podcast, this just about
a month ago. Did you know that?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did for the fiftieth anniversary. See this is
Right's a event. He listens and all the stuff. So
that's the idea. But who is it, you know what
I mean? Who's that senior analyst that's gonna booy up
a rod to elite play calling ability.
Speaker 3: And here's the thing is, I don't disagree with the
idea of like bolstering like our coaching stuff and having
more eyes on on things like strategy and and game
prep and all.
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I think to some degree, the more the merrier, I mean,
obviously there gets a point where there's like law of
diminishing returns. But I don't disagree with that, But at
the same time, you have to give credit where credit's due,
and Aaron Roderick has has done a really good job.
I mean we're talking about like not only have we
done that in the past two years, but we've also
joined a conference we have and we have one I
mean at a historic clip, right, Like when we talk
about these you asked earlier about like who is that
that oc that like you can point to.
Speaker 1: And in these Robertanie it Jeff Grimes, isn't it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Arod obviously, isn't it the Norm Chow? Maybe possibly, but
even that, like he was a hiss and a byword
for some uh. And so they go back to the past.
It's the idea. And this is what I bring up
in our culture. And the Jews are the same as
the Mormons. We worship the are kaik profits the former ones.
Like you get far away enough from the memory, you know,
you don't remember any bad You're like, oh, yeah, it
was Doug Skulville. You know, you gotta go way back,
that's what you have to do. And then like you
you idolize that the individual that was there sixty years ago,
like oh, he was the perfect oh see, who's the best.
But at the time the prophet is never accepted in
his own land.
Speaker 2: That's that's probably.
Speaker 1: Norm Chall leaves and you're like, man, no, you know what,
Norm Chall was good. Robert and I leaves, He goes
to Virginia, takes his team to an Orange Bowl, you know,
and then ends up at NC State too. That was
kind of interesting as a coordinator. Now he's retired from
Doctor and I. But like, as they get away, then
you're more grateful for them because you're like, oh, maybe
maybe isn't so bad. Maybe, But at the time they
were like, get him out, we're just so bad. Run
run past draw or whatever it is that they talk
about the like, oh, the draw, play the draw, play
down and he's going to do the draw playing.
Speaker 2: With a NYE.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what they played.
Speaker 2: They say, It's just it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeahs past draw, it was what it was.
Speaker 3: I think they say, yep, yeah, I think I think
this all stems from just kind of the culture of
the BYU fans, right, like, we have such high expectations
for our team, and it's it's because we've seen so
much success over the year at any level that we're
playing at whether that's in the Whack or the Mountain
West or Independent now in the Big twelve, like, we
fully expect our teams to play well. Yeah, and I'm
I'm fortunate in that, Like I have very few years
during my fandom where we've had a poor team.
Speaker 1: Since nineteen seventy two, you average, as a BYUVN you
win eight games a season. Yeah, I mean, I mean
we are spoiled rotten. We even during Independence, we're winning
eight games on average a season.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it's pretty incredible.
Speaker 1: Were off not we're going bowl games. So twenty seventeen
go to a bowl game, and then your first year
the Big twelve, twenty and twenty three didn't go to
a bowl game. Before that, it was two thousand and four.
You didn't go to a bowl game for two thousand two,
two thousand and three, two thousand and four. Prior to that, man,
I think you went to bowl games every single year
almost from like seventy four to two thousand and one.
I think you had I think you had consecutive bowl games.
I'm pretty sure. I think you had. From seventy four
to two thousand and I think you went to bowl
games every single season, yeah. So, I mean, you think
of that and like eight wins a season, you go
to bowl games every year minus like four times since
nineteen seventy four, You're like, I'm a little bit spot.
Maybe I'm a little bit in toitle. Maybe you know. Anyway,
to your point, you've been blessed as a BA fan.
Speaker 3: Talk to an Indiana fan, Talk to a Vanderbilt fan.
Talk to some of these teams that are now just
having success in recent years, but for decades they stunk,
you know what I mean, And we are spoiled. That's
not to say that we don't, like I was so
bummed when we found out that we weren't going to
the College Football Playoff. But at the same time, that
doesn't take away from the fact that we this season
was truly magical considering what we thought the season was
going to become.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I'll correct myself because it was a different era. Right, So,
just because you're bowl eligible doesn't mean you're going to
a bowl game. You missed out since n from nineteen
seventy four to two thousand and one, Okay, you missed
out on five bowl opportunities, right, so five out of
those years, only five years and then from from two
thousand and five to present day, there's only been two years,
so sixth what is that? Seven times? Is that right?
Seven times? No? No, No, I'm not very good at math. Yeah, yes,
I think seven times. Since nineteen seventy two, you haven't
gone to a bowl game some fifty years. I mean,
that's that's blessed. And you're winning eight games this season, right, yeah,
pretty impressive. So I guess, uh, I guess we've addressed
a couple of questions. Okay, we've we've were somewhat transitioned
over to hoop, but we're still intrigued by football. For
roster attrition, senior bowls, getting prepped for the bowl game,
you have the opportunity to beat the top twenty five team.
Do very rarely in any in bowl history do you
have an opportunity to win and compete against a top
twenty five team. Okay, and traditionally in bowl games, By
the way, when BYU plays, do you know what they're
they're they're winning percentages in bowl games since nineteen seventy.
Speaker 2: Four, zero idea. But I assuem probably pretty high.
Speaker 1: Forty percent.
Speaker 3: Oh really less than I would have thought forty percent.
Speaker 1: Man in bowl games forty five now, sorry, forty one
bowls they win forty five percent of the time. Okay,
so eighteen and twenty two and one.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess we're gonna find out how good of
an OCU Roderk is.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, no, one hundred percent. Yeah, you're gonna see, uh,
you know what he can do with some prep and
U versus I mean, look versus anyone not named Texas Tech.
He's actually done pretty well this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so.
Speaker 1: And Texas Tech very well could be the best defense
in college football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it's I mean, it's up there a.
Speaker 1: They're giving up eleven points a game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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