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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the fire Escape cast.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any fun brilliant rhymes tonight, just getting

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right back in Austin.

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Speaker 1: I was gone last episode. I've lost it.

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Speaker 3: I'm really out of practice.

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Speaker 1: I'm not anymore. I'm sophisticated. I go to wine camps.

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Speaker 2: Who was the last time you farted fucking like twenty

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minutes ago. Well, that was audibly in front of someone else.

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It's like a tree fa stinky.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't really get smelling one.

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Speaker 3: No, even your fire stone stink anymore.

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Speaker 4: Okay, if Mike farts in the forest and no one's

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around to smell.

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Speaker 3: It, I left.

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Speaker 1: I was over coffee this morning.

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Speaker 2: I laughed harder at a show that I was watching

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by myself that I've laughed in a long time. I've

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been telling you, guys checking if you have watched Detroiter's

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I know I'm very late to it. Obviously, it blew

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up more once it went to Netflix, and people obviously

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are liking.

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Speaker 1: I think you should leave.

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Speaker 2: But I watched through the entirety of Detroit or it's

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like two seasons, I want to say, twenty five minute episodes,

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and oh my god, there's an episode that Mary, you

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might know where and I don't want to spoil Beau Dan.

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I can see you just losing your mind laughing at

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some of these things. They get the car account. They're

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admin in Detroit, like small time doing local business naepisodes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Later in season two they get an account from a

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guy who like has supposedly invented this the car of

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the future, And there's a reveal bit that involves far

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fart related material and I like had to pause it

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and belly laugh at eight in the morning.

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Speaker 1: By myself, it's the funniest.

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Speaker 2: And then also there's a wine bit right before that

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where they're going to this guy's fancy house and so

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Sam Richardson brings brings wine. He hands it to this

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billionaire and it zooms in. He looks at He's like

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Zug Island Dog, Dick Cabernet. Sam's like it was the

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funniest one they had in the shelf, and the guy's like,

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that is funny.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: It's a funny show. And you can see the inklings

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of I think you should leave in it. When you

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watch it, you'll say to yourself, this is an I

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think you should leave sketch. Yeah, but they've prefaced it

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with like plot, it has a purpose, and it has

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it has implications afterwards, which is why I think it's

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funny that what they recognized, or at least maybe what

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Tim recognized was the best bits were when he just

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like went unhinged over something crazy in that show, and

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they I think they basically focused on sketch comedy. But

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the show is hilariously done because you care about these

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characters surviving in the advertising world. It's it's very brilliantly done.

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It's a little rough on the edges. I think there's

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still they still kind of like are figuring out their

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characters and maybe some acting chops, but it's still very good.

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Speaker 2: Robertson, I don't need to tell you guys in him,

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but oh my god, like Sam Richardson's Tim Robinson.

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Speaker 3: Robins damn his favorite guy, and Mike said his name wrong.

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I said Tim Robinson, you said Robertson.

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Speaker 2: Robertson, Tim Robinson, Sam Richardson, Sorry, was a slexic thing. Uh.

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leave sketches like the Baby Show. But seeing him over

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the course of two seasons, he's so fucking funny. I

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wish I like could see him in more. He's not unknown,

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but I just I want to see him in everything now.

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He's the funniest fucking person ever. But yeah, that show

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is really good.

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Speaker 1: But no, I farted not too long ago. Yeah, I

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errated a fart. Yeah, to burn off some va open

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up a bit. How was last episode?

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Speaker 3: Was the last episode?

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Speaker 1: What do we do? Jake?

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Speaker 3: Jake? Yeah? It was like I remember at the end,

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Mary said, uh it it felt hinged, which is a

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thing that.

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Speaker 4: Don't get to say very often. It was a hinged show.

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We kept it together. No one like yelled at anyone else.

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Speaker 3: It's nice like he's like an adult, you know, Jake is.

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was like, yeah, I think normally the show is like,

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you know, it's three cramers, you know, like, yeah, we

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brought in like an adult kind of grounding character in there,

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and I thought that was really good.

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Speaker 4: Records, none of those characters are grounded. They're all insane.

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Elaine is insane. They're all nuts.

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Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, I guess they are. Weel like politics

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and everything.

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Speaker 3: So it's personality dating industry. Yeah, just everything about the

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man yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well glad you had Jake to be the dad.

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Speaker 4: We had a good time.

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Speaker 3: Mina was the big one. We talked about the big one.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about that a little bit later as well,

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because but like to to allude to it for a second.

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Jake had beat Mina on the last episode and had

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rolled credits on it, and I I like it. I

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like it very much, and so I was like, well,

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I'm gonna play it and I'm going to beat it

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as well and make sure that I roll credit so

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I can talk about it. And so I have a

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like a wooden bench on my front porch and I

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laid down on that.

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Speaker 3: Path. No pillow situation at all.

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Speaker 4: There like a light thin pillow, not my best pillow.

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wood armrest like against my neck right and I.

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Speaker 3: Was likest that.

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Speaker 1: Aast the arm rest middle ages.

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Speaker 4: I think I'm leaning down. I'm playing Mina. I get

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totally into it as you do. This game is still hard.

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We'll discuss six hours later. It's time to go to

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bed and I get up and my neck is like

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all kinked up, like it doesn't feel good, and I

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go oh, that's that's not good for it, And I

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go to bed thinking it'll be fine, and I wake

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up and my my neck is genuinely so painful. I

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can't look left or right. I have to like continue

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to look slightly at a downward angle. That's the only

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place where it's comfortable. And I think to myself, oh,

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that's not good. But I leave, you know, for twitch

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Con Europe in three days. I'll just take it easy

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all rest and it will go away as it always does.

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Speaker 3: It's heat doing heat.

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Speaker 4: I did tiger bomb? Have you heard of that?

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Speaker 3: Is that a shot sounds like.

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Speaker 4: It's like a cream that feels like icy hot bomb bomb?

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Speaker 3: Okay that. I got a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Messages of last episode that you were all pronouncing things oddly,

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and I'm.

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Speaker 3: Like, why I I did hold my tongue, Mary, I

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gotta tell you telling me I say weird all No, no, Mary,

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you were saying something repeatedly, and I was I was thinking,

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like I said, well, I was saying, this doesn't sound

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right at all, but maybe the maybe it's a nietzsche

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just super wrong. So we were talking about, uh, the

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Dirty's this movie and we're talking about I kept talking

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about fully work. They're talking about doing fully work and

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like getting like that's the one.

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Speaker 4: I've been calling for years.

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Speaker 3: And then you kept saying, you were like, I love Folly,

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can't get enough Folly, And I'm like, can fully fully

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work is like you know, like if you're in a

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game studio and you gotta get the like shoes on leaves, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, like that like rattling trash can stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, recording wheels of like a car or something like that.

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f O L E Y.

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Speaker 4: And you can say, don't mean anything.

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Speaker 3: That's not a common feeling? Is this wrapping anyone else?

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That's like I knew it. I knew that was.

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Speaker 4: I've been I've probably been calling it folly since I

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was like a child and learned what it was. I

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keep it in the inbox.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna look though, but yeah, sorry anyway, Mary, So

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really quick question before we proceed. You were on a

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wooden bench for six hours. Were you wearing a diaper?

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Why did you not need to get up and do

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some human stuff.

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Speaker 4: So I intentionally don't drink a lot of water when

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I'm in the gaming mode, so I don't have to

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go to the bathroom. It's like a strategic thing, so

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you have.

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Speaker 2: The foresight for that, but not to not lay on

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a wooden bench with your neck.

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Speaker 4: You never fucked up my neck before. I mean, I've

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obviously like shrimped in bad positions for hours and been

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like ooh, my back, but then I just go to

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bed and it's fine in the morning. This is the

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first time it wasn't fine, And it wasn't fine three

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days later, when I flew to Europe. My my neck

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injury had made its way down to the left side

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of my body scapula.

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Speaker 3: Is it like start kind of the base of your

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school and go down across your traps and body.

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Speaker 4: Names? Okay, but it went into my shoulder blade, into

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my arm pit, into my arm and into my elbow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it traveled.

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Speaker 2: Poison fucking plane. That's the last place I want to

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be with that. I'm feeling good.

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Speaker 4: I don't love that, But I would say the worst

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part was dragging my fifty five pound suitcase against two

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hundred year old cobblestone steps to my Airbnb, and I

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thought to myself, I am not okay, and I got

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worse and worse and worse, and I like functioned through

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twitch con. I got back on a plane to go home.

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A week later. This is now ten days that my

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back has not been good. And I went from the

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airport to a doctor and I said, give me drugs immediately,

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and uh, this never happened before. I've never had this

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issue before. So they were like, what happened? And I said,

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I don't know. I think I just I think I

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just kinked it while playing games. And they gave me

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like muscle relaxers and steroids and like the good, the

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good pain killers and stuff like that. And I'm a

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little loopy guy.

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Speaker 3: Is it helping the drugs?

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Speaker 4: I am numb, Okay, I am numb. It's crazy though.

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When the drugs wear off, it comes back, so I

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know it's still in there.

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Speaker 1: The camera's over here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's bad. It's bad, guys. I've never I've never

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experienced the need for pain, like medical grade pain killers

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because I was so so, so so pain. It's extremely painful.

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The only way I can describe it is it's like fire.

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It feels like fire. Is going through my.

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Speaker 3: Body and especially okay, just to try which shoulder.

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Speaker 4: Is it my left one?

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Speaker 3: So put your other hand like this, your right hand

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over kind of like and hold down your your whatever,

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your tendons, whatever, and then then tilt your head this

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way and then look up. Is that you feeling that pole.

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I I have thrown this out many times, the elevator scapula.

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I've gotten real fucked up. One time I was doing

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the whack Off mini game in Mario Party and this

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is this is on tape at Giant Bob. I'm going

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to the we mote thing. We're going ah and it's uh,

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you can see my next week and yep, that's two

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weeks of this hurting like ship.

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Speaker 4: You pulled your neck jacking off jacking.

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Speaker 3: Off a Wei mote in the Mario Party mini game

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where you got to shake up the soda can. Yeah,

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that's what I said, stuff like I'm just yeah yea.

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Speaker 4: I have now also been severely injured playing Mien to

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the Hollower for six hours. Uh. I did roll credits

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and I am proud of it, but it has come

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at great cost in my body.

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Speaker 3: Yes, in the game section. That is when I want

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to catch up with you on as well, because I

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have continued to play it, so I have.

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Speaker 4: When I am when I am drugged up. I am

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also watching a show that I'm really excited to talk

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to you guys about. And I asked, I didn't know. Yeah,

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I Mike, you were able to watch an episode there

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was our recommendations.

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Speaker 1: I watched it this morning as well. Yeah, we were.

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Speaker 4: Talking about recommendations. Yeah, remember how you said that you

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like what I recommend you stuff because you trust me.

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Speaker 3: Yes, who are telling me about this?

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Speaker 4: I got one for you, Bud. It's called Widow's Bay.

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This one, Okay, this is a banger.

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Speaker 3: I think maybe it was Backlahror some but this came

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up on another show I was on, because I remember

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googling it and seeing these same pictures and it's like,

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it's it's funny. Well, yeah, don't.

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Speaker 4: Look up too much.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you who directed it?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Do you know who? Hero? Mariahs?

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Speaker 2: No, he got famous doing like really incredible music videos

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for Earl sweatshirt, childish Gambino, chet Faker. Do you know

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what episode of TV he directed? He directed several episodes

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of the show, but he directed Ronnie Lilly from Barry Oh.

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Speaker 1: He at least directed the pilot of Widow's Bay.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna I all load up the iPad with this.

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Speaker 4: Mars, because similarly, I've been calling it like the life

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real TV version of Courage the Cowardly Dog. It's scary,

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but it's funny, and the characters are really good, and

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you kind of root for these like weener people who

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are so scared of things that are happening to them.

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It's real, and there's lots of different versions of It's

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almost like a Monster of the Week type situation. Every

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episode there's something different that's happening that's scary, and there's

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absolutely not one episode that's gone by or I haven't

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been a little scared but then laughed because they made

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it funny, dude, and that's really hard to do. Horror

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comedy is a tough genre. I'm very impressed by the show.

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Speaker 1: Sorry he did He did not do Ronnie Lily.

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Speaker 2: He did four episodes of the show, but he helped

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produce most of Barry and Station eleven.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the very cool. I watched the first episode.

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I've been meaning to watch it.

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Speaker 2: I love Matthew Reese because The Americans is one of

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my favorite shows. I love Stephen king esque stuff. This

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also has a lot of Jaws to it, like it's

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the the Matthew Reece's Well now, Mary, you said you

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don't want them to know much. I mean the premise

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wise though, Like Matthew Reee is the mayor of a

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New England island.

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Speaker 4: That's yeah, New York Time is going on on this island.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the New York Times writer is visiting to potentially

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write like a travelog feature for The Times about it.

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this could be our tourism moment.

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Speaker 1: We can't let them know that there's other ship going on.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that this island absolute quick Stephen roots in

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it too.

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Speaker 1: He's amazing. Yeah, well casted.

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Speaker 4: But again, like that's just the first episode's plot. Every

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episode changes a little bit of like what's going on.

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It has a common theme, which is he's trying to

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be mayor of this fucked up town. But every every

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episode something bad happens. But again, yes, it borrows from

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a lot of stuff. It borrows from it. It borrows

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from like a lot of scary movies that you might

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have like grown up with and thought about, like ooh,

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that's I love the way they're doing this. They they

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found a way to kind of put them into each

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of these episodes and really scary of and yet make

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you laugh all the time because these characters are ridiculous.

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These characters are very funny and silly, and the main

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mayor guy, he's constantly trying to convince everybody that this

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town is normal, even though there's something very clearly wrong

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going on. I think it's brilliantly written.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the humor, there's like existential humor, but there's also

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just some really stupid slapstick funny like Monty Python wordplay

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humor or, like Rodney Dangerfield kind of humor that okay,

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fits weirdly within the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like you quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: They made a I don't know, Amanda, being from New

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England and like spending a lot of time at Cape

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Cod growing up, they made they have that joke in

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the first episode about a specific restaurant that we love

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in Province Towns.

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Speaker 1: Like, all right, I gotta wait.

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Speaker 3: For Amanda to continue watching this because she'll probably love.

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Speaker 1: It as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you guys are gonna like it, Dan,

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I'm I'm excited to see what you think about it,

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because I don't usually recommend too much too often because

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it's a you know, it's a weird, it's a it's

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a show that like I want to make sure I'm

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like feel really confident before I recommend.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I have to do my check and see if

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I Yeah, it's several people now have told me about

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this show, and it's I've forgotten everything that people have

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told me, So I guess that's good. I'll go in

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pretty blind, but I'll have to find out if I

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have an Apple TV still. Yeah, we got it for

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like severance and.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. I do the same thing I usually, like,

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get them specifically for a show and then get rid

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of them. This one is worth it, I think.

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 2: I Also, I think I don't think I've talked about

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this since last time I was on fire Escape. I

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am the biggest Like I really really don't like Star

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Wars anymore because I hate the whole Like you gotta

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worship at the altar Star Wars, the mcuification of Star Wars.

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I haven't seen solo, Like I kind of like out

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of protest. I love Rogue one, but that after that,

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I think they got mine. They got the wrong message

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from Rogue one.

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Speaker 3: I feel like where I fell off was around that

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Rogue one solo, like the side movie things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I all these people whose opinions I trust

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and adore and align with were like you would probably

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love and.

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Speaker 3: Or And that's what people have told me too.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Like I saw like New York magazine giving it best

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Show of the Year last year, like I saw, yeah,

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it's not that there ares of taste, but like it

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was getting like high level awards and like really, so

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I had watched the pilot like when it first came out,

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Like Okay, I get it. They're just trying to do

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down to Earth Star Wars. I finally went back to it.

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I forget why. I think just because Aman and I

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had been wanting to rewatch the main line entries and

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Rogue one. So like, okay, apparently and Or does set

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up Rogue one again. I hate like feeling like I

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need to do homework to set up a movie. There's

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episodes in that that are genuinely some of the best

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episodes of TV I've ever seen. You like it, really,

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I don't want to take away from it because I like,

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I grew up loving Star Wars. I'm not inherently saying

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I hate Star Wars. I just don't love what they've

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done with it in recent years, Disney, what they've done.

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There's episodes where I'm like, they this could be set

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in any universe, this would still be fucking kick ass TV.

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Speaker 1: There's incredible.

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Speaker 2: The structure is really cool too, because they'll do three

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episode arcs and then there will be a time jump,

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and then they'll do another three episodes. But they're still

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They're just seeing these characters. They're kind of expediting getting

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from one to the next. Apparently they were supposed to

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five seasons or something like that. They ended up having

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to truncate it. It does not feel truncated. Some of these

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characters are incredible. I thought and Or was the most

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boring character in Rogue one. This show, I finished it.

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We blew Amanda and I both blew through it in

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like a week and a half.

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Speaker 3: A character from there from Rogue one.

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Speaker 2: Oge there's several characters that's it's like it leads up

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right up until you know how Like the rogue one

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is about them stealing the plans. This is how and

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his background several other characters leading up to the discovery

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that the Death Star was even a thing. Got okay,

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Andy Serkis, isn't it? He has an amazing like little stretch.

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There are a ton of people make that they don't feel

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like cameos, but then Stellin Scarsguard. I love everything he does,

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and this is one of my favorite roles he's played. Like.

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The show is so good at setting up these what

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you think are my your characters, and then all of

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a sudden you're incredibly invested in them. It's it's really

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really fucking good. It's a slow burn. It's got like

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deadwood pacing, where you don't really realize they're setting up

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something huge until all of a sudden it's happened and

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you're like, oh my god, that's what's been going on

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this whole time.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen a show that uh, that helps portray

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subtly but then obviously more literally what fascism looks and

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feels like and how it's built. This is for entertainment sake, right,

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But over time you're like, oh, I see why they're

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making the decisions they're making. Oh, they're to paint themselves

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publicly as good or vulnerable or you know, in danger,

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so that they're allowed to do atrocities and everyone will

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be like, well, they were doing self defense, Ye're in trouble,

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and they did.

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Speaker 1: They did.

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Speaker 4: They do such a good job of playing the kind

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of reminds me of The Wire, where they're like they're

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playing the press, they're playing the public, yeah, very specifically,

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and they do it very well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There's there's episodes of the show that were like they

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were so on the nose that I was like, are

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they're really going to try this right now? And then

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it's so well written and directed that I was like,

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they pull it off. The commentary it's it's There's also

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there's several like sequences in the show that are orchestrated

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in the sense that like they reminded me of that

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long shot in True Detective Season.

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Speaker 3: One when they go into the drug hideout.

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Speaker 2: Yes, stuff along those lines, like we like we had

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to like pause afterwards, we're like, holy shit, I didn't

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realize I haven't been breathing for two minutes, Like, oh awesome,

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it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: I cannot recommend that show enough.

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Speaker 2: And also I don't like origin stories anymore, but they

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do it really well here, and I don't like they

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also don't give a fuck about there.

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Speaker 1: If you're paying attention.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there are many Easter eggs, but they do

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not go out of their way to like say, oh

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wink winking at the fans, like I was, like, it

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feels like they're just first and foremost want to tell

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like a killer story within this universe. It happens to

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be a Star Wars story, and it just like is

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the set dressing around it.

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Speaker 1: It's really fucking good show. I love and or so much.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's shortless for me for sure, Like, yeah, I've

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heard enough people say that, but I've worried it was

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going to be a thing where it's like, even though

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you don't like Marvel movies, this is the Marvel movie

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you're gonna like. And I watch it and suck shit

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just like the rest of them. So I was kind

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of worried.

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Speaker 4: Marvel. I consider this like a City. Yeah, like they

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did a good job separating this from the animals. It's

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very different than all of those megas, you know, Triple

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A Action movies from Disney and all that crap. They've

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they found a way. I don't know how they did it.

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I don't know how they pulled it off. They made

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magic on this song.

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Speaker 2: Get They dig into like the office drama and politics

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of the Empire, so like you forget that this is

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the Empire, like like Stormtrooper office or not stormproper offters,

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but like you know, like the Nazis of Star Wars.

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Speaker 3: You're just kissing Krell playing Storm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: But it's like it's got several vibes in the office politics,

473
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,319
it's got Americans vibes, and like these characters need to

474
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:07,839
lead double lives because they're spies.

475
00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:13,519
Speaker 1: It's really cool. I'm very glad we watched that because

476
00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:15,559
I almost did not give it a second chance.

477
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 4: I'm the same usually when people say, like, you're gonna

478
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,960
really like the Star Wars thing, I'm like, I don't

479
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,319
know about that. This was the first time that I

480
00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:27,039
gave it a try, because I did have a couple

481
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:29,680
of friends say like no, no, no, no, this one's genuinely different,

482
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,480
and it truly is. I think it's I think it

483
00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:36,400
absolutely is worth watching all the way through. And it

484
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,720
also sticks the landing, which I think is very important

485
00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:42,400
for me. Not everybody feels that way. I still get

486
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,799
people who are like, you gotta watch Lost, don't worry

487
00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:47,519
about any of that stuff, just enjoy the ride.

488
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 3: I don't.

489
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,319
Speaker 4: I kind of want to have that nice ending and

490
00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:55,720
and or does that. But speaking of like the worst endings,

491
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,480
Euphoria just officially ended, and I think it got like

492
00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:02,359
one of the worst reviewed endings of all time of

493
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:08,400
like any series. Yeah, everybody universally dislikes that show.

494
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:09,279
Speaker 1: Why.

495
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:12,039
Speaker 3: I don't know. I've heard some stuff in the words like

496
00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:13,920
it seemed really rough at the beginning of the season,

497
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,039
but I've heard people talk about like coming around on

498
00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:17,680
it a bit and what it was doing in season three.

499
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,200
I have not It's not the first season.

500
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:22,759
Speaker 4: So critically, I think it was panned as a move

501
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:26,839
over Game of Thrones, the worst oh last episode of

502
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,000
a season is has a new owner.

503
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: Oh these headlines.

504
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,079
Speaker 4: Critics have really gone for it. I would say, like,

505
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,200
I think it panders to the audience a lot, although

506
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,680
people really like some of those actors, so like they're

507
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,319
probably like, listen, it's still amazing acting. And I think

508
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:50,319
that is true. But the writing of these characters have

509
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,599
never been more degrading and more abysmal. Like if there

510
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,599
is a girl on screen, she's either doing drugs, having sex,

511
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,759
she's naked, or she's being like physically assaulted. It's just

512
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:06,400
the worst writing of a season I've ever seen. Wow,

513
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:12,960
he's bad. It's a shame they had really cool I

514
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,559
liked the first season. I think the first season is brilliant.

515
00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:20,359
It's it's stunningly shot and the audio is incredible. They

516
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,319
lost the guy who did all the music.

517
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: Wasn't that like a huge Like did he just contract?

518
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 4: Nobody truly knows, but he wrote he wrote a very

519
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,359
aggressive message saying fuck HBO and fuck ephor you. So

520
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,519
I don't think it ended in a positive way.

521
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: Sorry, that's just I think.

522
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: Maybe three days a week, I wake up in the

523
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,680
morning and I watched the I Found your son Norm

524
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:54,359
bit with It's one of my favorite bits I've ever seen.

525
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: In my life. And Mary, are you saying he went

526
00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:58,200
up to get cigarettes? Reminded me of that. If you

527
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,559
haven't seen it, just look up.

528
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 2: It's like it's like a fifteen second clip. Just got

529
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,640
Bob Saget nor McDonald. I found your son that I

530
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,000
don't need to explain the joke.

531
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: It won't be funny if I do it. Now.

532
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 3: What was the because it was the icon? Was that

533
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,759
the show he did between seasons two and three?

534
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,279
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we did tear That was also critically absolutely

535
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,880
abysmally panned and kind of just did not that one

536
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,240
was Poe casting as well. For the record, I don't

537
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:30,119
think that, Yeah, the Weekend is not built for acting

538
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,119
a role of a tough guy. I just don't think

539
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,359
that that was meant to be. But I think we're

540
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,440
starting to also just recognize there's some weird writing going

541
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,839
on that isn't selling these characters. Not even like the

542
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,599
best acting of this cast could save season three of Euphoria.

543
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,400
Like some of these scenes were just like embarrassing. I

544
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,440
actually gave up on it because it just started getting

545
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:53,920
so bad.

546
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: Last entertainment thing on my end, have you guys? Did

547
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,480
did you ever watch The Zone of Interest?

548
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:03,839
Speaker 3: Yeah? The movie?

549
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,599
Speaker 1: What two years ago? I finally watched it.

550
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,279
Speaker 3: I saw that. Yeah, Yeah, Oh my god, it's a

551
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:08,759
tough one.

552
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,759
Speaker 2: What a tough That was a tough watch. And I

553
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:12,279
still and I watched it, I think a week and

554
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:14,759
a half ago. I still am not sure whether I

555
00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:17,519
fucking loved it or hated it. Like it was an

556
00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:20,480
incredibly made movie and it took some big swings.

557
00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 3: But I don't think anyone's gonna watch it and be

558
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:22,799
like that movie kicks ass.

559
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:26,079
Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, I I don't. I don't mean loved

560
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:26,720
it in that sense.

561
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: I mean like part of me afterward was like, that

562
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,880
was one of the most incredible things I've seen in

563
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,079
a while. And then I sat on it for a longer.

564
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,799
I was like, maybe I kind of hated what they

565
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:36,240
did here at that point, but.

566
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,319
Speaker 3: I don't know.

567
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: It absolutely hit me hard regardless. There's some points in

568
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,960
that movie where again I was like very taking it back.

569
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a It's not a movie you buy

570
00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:49,000
on Blu ray and watch a bunch of times.

571
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 2: No, if I'm gonna go that, I'm just gonna keep

572
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,119
watching Shindler's List every week.

573
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: That's my that's my comfort movie.

574
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: Right right, You've always said that, Yeah, nice, So I continue,

575
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,480
I continue with Sopranos, and I I won't go into

576
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,599
a bunch of stuff. But I'll just say uncle Paully

577
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,720
Bert young Thing is the actor's name. One of my

578
00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:08,279
favorite guys to just show up in things always because

579
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:12,279
he's so fucking hilarious and rocky, just this drunk asshole uncle.

580
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:14,599
And like, I just realized I've seen him. I can

581
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,720
name three things he's been in, now, the Rocky series

582
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,640
in including Creed Or I guess he's not in No

583
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:24,960
Rock About Boa. He was in Russian Doll with Natasha Leone,

584
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,200
and now this episode of Sopranos. And he is always

585
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,519
from like nineteen seventy seven to like the pandemic. Basically,

586
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:35,759
he always just seems old and sickly and or drunk.

587
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:38,640
He's always just coughing into a rag or like half

588
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,160
dead or just being like Mike, do you know the

589
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,400
episode I'm talking about with him?

590
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: Do I know the episode with Bobby Bacala's dad who Sally?

591
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: I know the episode, Yes, I just watched that one.

592
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,640
I'm just laughing, unhappy the second he shows up on screen.

593
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,200
I remember if you did that.

594
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: I texted you back when you said uncle PAULI at

595
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:04,079
first I was confused because that's oh, I see so

596
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,119
then now that you're talking about like, oh, Bobby Baccalaw's

597
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,559
dad Uncle Pauli from Rocky Yes.

598
00:29:08,599 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 3: Yes, the second like, hell yeah, Uncle Poly's in this show.

599
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,000
And then everything that happens with them in that episode

600
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,400
is so fucking funny to me.

601
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,079
Speaker 2: That's the That is the people you're very ahead of

602
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:21,519
schedule because people say, like, you're not a true Sopranos

603
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:23,319
fan until you realize it's a comedy.

604
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:26,279
Speaker 3: And I've been laughing this entire fucking time. It's so

605
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,319
goddamn funny. Like even just the way Tony responds or

606
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:31,799
says certain lines that aren't jokes or meant me funny.

607
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,400
I'm just laughing this whole fucking show. I love it.

608
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, the I can't wait for you to get to

609
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:39,599
Pine Barrens. I can't wait for you to get to

610
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,680
the Lake episode with Bobby and Janice and people. It's

611
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:46,200
it's we're rewatching mad Men again.

612
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:48,319
Speaker 1: We always do. But I just want to watch the

613
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:49,319
Sopranos soon.

614
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,119
Speaker 3: Were you where that Bobby Bacalas showed up in TNA

615
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,640
wrestling in the mid two thousands to imply that he

616
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:56,880
was one of the Deadly Boys, and he teamed up

617
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,440
with the Deadly Boys and like got in the ring

618
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,519
and helped them like a couple moves and stuff like that,

619
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,119
and he was like in character as Bobby Bacala. No,

620
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,920
it's really weird and stupid.

621
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: There's a lot of weird promotional stuff with the Sopranos

622
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:13,079
between the video game they did and because you guys

623
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:14,240
did like a game and form.

624
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: Of replay I respect. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I reviewed that

625
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,599
back in the day. Yeah.

626
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's if you look up like Sopranos promotional material,

627
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,880
there's a lot of stuff that they got James Gandelfini to.

628
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: Do that was very surprising.

629
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,599
Speaker 3: My dad owns something incredibly gross. Stop. I know that'll

630
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:35,720
probably be very shocking to hear. He used to work

631
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,279
for Time Warner. Oh my god, I have a picture

632
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,200
this fucking thing. He used to work for Time Warner

633
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:43,119
and they would get like weird promotional stuff every once

634
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:44,799
in a while, and him being him, he always just

635
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:46,839
held on to stuff forever, thinking it's gonna be worse something,

636
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,079
I'm gonna sell it on eBay. And one of them

637
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:55,799
is this bottle of Sopranos balsamic vinaigrette from like fucking

638
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,680
like ancient ancient and now like this picture is probably

639
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,039
from ten years ago where it actually looks kind of normal,

640
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:04,960
but it is like super fucked up and got ship

641
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:07,319
growing in it and stuff now, and he's convinced that

642
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:09,359
this is going to wind up, like, you know, selling

643
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,119
for thousands of dollars or something like that.

644
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,039
Speaker 4: What does the backsay? Does it say anything? Like, uh,

645
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,559
you know, does it have any other connections to the.

646
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:23,799
Speaker 3: Sopranos Sopranos HBO? Yeah, creamy correte from like does it?

647
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:26,279
Speaker 4: It doesn't have like dairy in it, does it?

648
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,599
Speaker 2: Balsamic vinaigrette technically should be good for a long, long

649
00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:37,039
long time. It's just it's basically it's it's like vineg

650
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,200
to something vinegar like vinegar eyed it's it's like acidified

651
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,400
and it's not gonna get worse at.

652
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: A certain point.

653
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:49,279
Speaker 3: HBO brand Balsamic.

654
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems concerning.

655
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna pass Italian smell test

656
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:55,400
coming from Bologna.

657
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: So like, next time you see my dad, if you

658
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,079
want him to bring it, just let let me know.

659
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: I'll get I'll eat it ten dollars.

660
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,799
Speaker 3: But that show continues to be incredible.

661
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you're watching. It brings me joy.

662
00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: Yes.

663
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

664
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: When you text me is like, what what do you mean?

665
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,519
What wencle Paul episode he's in like a quarter of them?

666
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, okay rock.

667
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: No, but yeah, happy birthday PAULI that one?

668
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, hmm.

669
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,759
Speaker 2: Anything else new? It's been longer than a few weeks since,

670
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,279
so you guys. I think we did the last episode

671
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:25,119
early as well.

672
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we did spend a while. Yeah, God,

673
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,720
probably a ton. It seems like it's it's always whirlwined.

674
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm not going to Summer Games Fest.

675
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:35,079
Speaker 2: You guys are getting ready to go out to you

676
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,039
two and Jake are getting ready to go out tomorrow

677
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:38,799
as of this recording, I'm not gonna make it.

678
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: I have a wedding in Seattle this weekend.

679
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:42,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, when this episode goes up, I will probably be

680
00:32:42,839 --> 00:32:45,640
at Disneyland with Mike Manatti, which I guess that's the

681
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,599
way you do that, so nice. Yeah, I did it

682
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,119
once before, and we all talked shit on Disney here,

683
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:53,279
but I have to give it credit. Last time we

684
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:55,920
went with a bunch of friends from Giant Bomb, and

685
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,119
he had Mike Manatti being like the ultimate tour guide

686
00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:01,400
and Jenny Nicholson, who also like really know Disney.

687
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,319
Speaker 4: So with a Disney person makes it a little bit

688
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:08,400
more palatable because they're like, we know which rides to ride,

689
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,440
we know which one's experiences are the best. They're like

690
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,920
really into it. I feed off of other people's enthusiasms.

691
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,759
So when I go with a Disney adult, I'm like

692
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:19,680
I can get excited because you're exciting. It's like going

693
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:21,680
it's like taking a child to the park, Like I

694
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,599
don't want to ride the slide, but it makes me

695
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,799
happy that the kid is laughing while it goes down.

696
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,680
I don't think like I will enjoy Disney, but watching

697
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,400
Mike like skip around and you know, get excited about

698
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:36,599
the way the rocks are formed very specifically to look

699
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:39,480
like cars, well, would make me happy.

700
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was insane because it wasn't just Mike leading us.

701
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,400
It was Mike and Jenny Nicholson, who they're both like

702
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,880
obsessive Disney fans, and they were I think they were

703
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,440
meeting the first time there, so hearing them kind of

704
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,680
compare notes and them kind of it's like they're hosting

705
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,599
their own little podcast about Disney. The while they're like

706
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,240
leading us very specifically through the park. They know exactly

707
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,759
when you get in the line or when the app

708
00:33:57,799 --> 00:33:59,799
tells you to be where where we're gonna eat, and

709
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:02,039
never things. So it's like, okay, that's this is probably

710
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:04,440
an optimal way for me to kind of like understand

711
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,279
what the deal. Like I'm not understanding it on the

712
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,320
level obviously that they are, but it's like, Okay, this

713
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,639
was a very pleasant day and I would do it again.

714
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,159
So yeah, I'll probably be there when this episode goes

715
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,840
up on Monday, and all the SHEF stuff will be

716
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,920
over at that point. So yeah, that'll be nice to

717
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,840
not travel for a few weeks, I think.

718
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm taking three I took three days off

719
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,400
of work actually, like while we're recording this, I'm off

720
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,639
of work because it was just such a long slog

721
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,320
to go to Europe for work. And I also I

722
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,639
also brought my mom.

723
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: Nice.

724
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: She went to Rotterdam, she went to Amsterdam. She went

725
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,360
to Delft, which is a very small town basically like

726
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,639
in between Rotterdam and Amsterdam, and then we went to

727
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,480
Rotterdam for TwitchCon. She had a good time. She's a

728
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:59,920
small town lady. She did not love Amsterdam because she

729
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,760
thought it was too crowded. There were too many people

730
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,719
who were in her you know way or in her space.

731
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,079
Speaker 1: And it runs in the family. You were probably she

732
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:13,320
was probably crossing the street when she shouldn't have been. People.

733
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, really she's yelling. She like, wouldn't yell at We

734
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:23,800
have very different personalities. She's very quiet, very sweet, very forgiving.

735
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,360
I hold a grudge for years. I am angry all

736
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,360
the time. I'm getting people out of the way, and

737
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,280
she's just like, they gave me the wrong drink. But

738
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,039
you know what, this one's really tasty too. I don't

739
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:42,320
mind at all. She won't complain, She won't complain about

740
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,400
anything to twitch.

741
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:47,559
Speaker 3: Con, like like properly she went to twitch Con. How

742
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:50,159
does she? I mean she must have some sense of

743
00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:51,679
like what you do in what that world is. But

744
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,840
was this kind of like immersing her in a way?

745
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,119
Speaker 4: I don't think to this day she fully gets it,

746
00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:59,519
because sometimes she'll be like, well, you know, we were

747
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:01,199
in the mind craft area and she was like, what

748
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,800
do you you know work on the Minecraft? And I said, well,

749
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,199
we don't work there. These guys, these guys are you know?

750
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:14,199
They bought a booth and she's like, so they pay

751
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,880
you to make Minecraft. I said, no, you know what,

752
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:20,159
just enjoy the show. Like she doesn't, it's going to

753
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,440
be too hard to explain things to her.

754
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: I don't.

755
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 4: I think she thinks I make games.

756
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's a lot of people when they

757
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,000
are not from games and they hear someone working in

758
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000
that orbit and it's like, oh, they make games. We're

759
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:35,400
going to the elevator to Game Informer. The people on

760
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,440
the other floors would like have their kids in the

761
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,679
elevator and like, oh, he's getting off on the fourth floor.

762
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,920
That's where they make the toys. Yeah, that's what we're

763
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:43,440
doing here.

764
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, I entered the toy factory.

765
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:52,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, it mentally makes more sense than thinking that people

766
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:55,320
have a living playing something.

767
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,159
Speaker 3: If you always hear the same thing, if people watch that,

768
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,400
people watch that like that, I've heard that billion.

769
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 4: I think it's it's still surreal and confusing for her.

770
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,880
And also it's a very big con right, Like there

771
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,440
was over ten thousand people there, and so she's kind

772
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,480
of at this this space with over ten thousand people

773
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,159
being like, so all these people make the games, and

774
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,320
I'm like, sure, that's gotten to the point where I

775
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,840
just say yes, I don't. I don't know, like it's

776
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,960
too confusing. I'm just glad that you know, she doesn't

777
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:32,960
she doesn't process information. I think at this age where

778
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:36,559
she's going to like correct herself, she's completely cooked. She's done,

779
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,440
she's setting her ways. I'm just glad that she's calling

780
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:42,679
Simon Simon and not Semen anymore.

781
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: That's a start.

782
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: That's good Simon.

783
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 4: She still used to like she'd call me and she'd

784
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,880
be like, so, now, how is how is Semen?

785
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,039
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say on, how's your dog?

786
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,159
Speaker 4: Simon is good? She could not could not wrap her

787
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,679
head around this pronunciation.

788
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,039
Speaker 3: My wife is banaka to my grandma. So she spelled

789
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:08,840
it on a gift a few years ago and it

790
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,679
was b a. Oh god, it was like knock like

791
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,239
knock on a door as like knocka and little boy.

792
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:17,559
Speaker 1: I just heard that.

793
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: Jim Carrey's voice from acevon Tura was that was that

794
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,079
when he's like, can I interest you in a minute?

795
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:24,679
Perhaps some banaka away? Yeah?

796
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

797
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:29,599
Speaker 3: It was funny when you talked out of his ass.

798
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,119
I like that. It's really it's really funny.

799
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that second movie, The Last time I watched

800
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,119
it was with You in the Sunset.

801
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: It has not it was not remember man right got

802
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:42,199
you Tim and I and I.

803
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,559
Speaker 2: Was, I was, I was really high. So I thought

804
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:45,960
that might have had something to do with it. Like

805
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:49,039
maybe I'm not finding this thing funny because I'm not

806
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:50,119
on the planet at the moment.

807
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:53,039
Speaker 1: But yeah, I forgot.

808
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 2: How many cringey things that were in that movie, aside

809
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,000
from the Rhino, which is classic.

810
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the whole conceit of the

811
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,400
second movie is like, it's like, oh, that's probably not

812
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,119
gonna be great now.

813
00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 4: No, I forget what it holds up. But I feel

814
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,320
like the joke where he is putting shadows over the

815
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,480
guy's face into that's gotta that's gotta do well is.

816
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:16,079
Speaker 3: And he does the little shadow blows up thing. That's funny,

817
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,679
the Monopoly Man, the monster truck, like, uh.

818
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 4: I think, like that's gotta live.

819
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,119
Speaker 3: Most of the Africa stuff not great, Noah.

820
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: Except except for how he parks the suv at the Mansions,

821
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:33,840
just driving down the road and he rips the wheel

822
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,320
to barrel roll into the spot.

823
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,599
Speaker 1: Yea, which is very good.

824
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: Well good thing. Nothing aged poorly about the first acepent.

825
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: No, not at all, especially the whole twist.

826
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeaeah, the entire ending of the movie. Most poorly aged thing.

827
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:48,119
Speaker 4: Ever, we don't talk about the ending.

828
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, the cable cuts out near the end every time.

829
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:56,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, unlike HBO's Sopranos, creamy balsamic vinegar, a spent one

830
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:56,880
is not aged.

831
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,639
Speaker 3: Well, that's our sponsor this week, Mike tell him about.

832
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 2: It was made in modern that the HBO execs had

833
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,159
to travel all the way to Bologna, take a quick

834
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,760
train up the northwest to the little town where they

835
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,400
make some of the most heavenly nectar on this planet.

836
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,599
It's been waiting in barrels for you up in these families, addicts.

837
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,159
And they pulled it out. They said, hey, we got

838
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:18,159
this show. It's called the Sopranos. No, it's not about

839
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:20,360
the opera. It's about a guy just like you from

840
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,800
the South. Though I know they frowned upon people in

841
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,920
the South. It was a weird script who wrote this.

842
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,960
So they said, we're gonna take some of your creamy balsamic.

843
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,280
We're gonna we're gonna take your cream. We're gonna bring

844
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,440
it home. We're gonna bring it. We're gonna market it.

845
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,440
Warner Brothers is gonna we're gonna re up it. We're

846
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,440
gonna sell it to people, just like Paul Reiker here,

847
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,599
and it's gonna be delicious fifty twenty five years out.

848
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,440
Try it, Put it on some put it on some salad,

849
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,880
maybe drizzle it over some garlic.

850
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,559
Speaker 1: Bread. Uh, it should be great in twenty five years.

851
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,679
Speaker 3: That's sound good. Some bread and vinegar, Like that's my man.

852
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:54,639
I just went to a town place like a week ago,

853
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,320
and yeah, I used to just eat the bread because

854
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,960
I wouldn't do the butter on it. And then I

855
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,039
never even looked at the it's vinegar or is it

856
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:01,519
all of oil?

857
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:05,679
Speaker 4: It depends on where you went.

858
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 3: There's the olive looking one, then there's the darker one.

859
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, olive oil and vinegar.

860
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 3: Oh then yeah, you do that and then you dip

861
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,840
the thing in there and like that is a super

862
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,360
good Like when I go to in timeplace now, that's

863
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,679
one of my favorite parts. And I just totally didn't

864
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:19,079
even look at it for forty years.

865
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: It's crazy, like really like good balsomic vinegar. There's nothing

866
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,280
like it.

867
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 4: I went to olive garden for the first time in

868
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:30,079
like years and hot damn those breadsticks still hit holds

869
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:33,400
up nice, yeah, And I got the I got the

870
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,360
breadstick dip trio. It's all you can eat, but they

871
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,199
say you have to order one at a time. And

872
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,840
I said to the waitress, I says, can I just

873
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,480
have all three at the same time? And she looked

874
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:48,880
left and right and she said absolutely, And she brought

875
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,480
me three bowls of the three different sauces them all

876
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:57,119
and then like, I'm gonna call it just a mix.

877
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,920
It felt it was like a lighter marin era and

878
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:02,079
had cheese. They called it cheesy marion era, like a

879
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:05,599
vodka sauce. It looked like a vodka sauce, like a

880
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:07,880
light like a like an orange, but not in a

881
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,360
grossweat pink because it was pink. It was like orange, okay,

882
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,719
because pink sauce ready, orange is also good. They called

883
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,840
it a cheesy, cheesy marion era, I think is what

884
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:20,400
they called it.

885
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: Do you guys, Do you guys ever hear the thing

886
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,119
about Ben Hansen and his wife going to the Italian

887
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:26,400
restaurant a couple of years ago, and you talked about

888
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,159
this podcast about wanting the bread Does it sounds familiar?

889
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,599
He he wanted ice cream. He wanted ice cream, and

890
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:36,840
so they went to an Italian restaurant and they walked in.

891
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,920
They just sat down just to get ice cream, and

892
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,719
he was upset that they didn't get bread and vinegar

893
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:47,599
and olive oiled when they were just trying to get place.

894
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,519
Speaker 2: You're supposed to get this stuff that you're expecting them

895
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:51,679
to roll out the red carpet when you're ordering the

896
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:52,679
weirdest fucking thing.

897
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: You can't go to.

898
00:42:56,599 --> 00:43:02,679
Speaker 4: Olive Garden would have done it, would have given him soup, salad, breadsticks,

899
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,480
and one dessert. I think they would have done it.

900
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:08,079
I was blown away by the portion sizes at this place.

901
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,519
We had to take it to go.

902
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go there and just get the breadstick thing.

903
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,280
I feel like I could probably eat like thirty breadsticks

904
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,159
in alfredo sauce.

905
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,119
Speaker 4: Dan. I thought of you, I really think that if

906
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:20,280
you get the breadstick dip trio. But then you got

907
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,920
to ask, and you got to say, because this is

908
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,760
what they say. They say, when you finish the dip,

909
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,639
you just ask for another one. They said, you can

910
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:27,280
have as many as you want. They'll just keep bringing

911
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,920
you bowls. But I said, I want all three at

912
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,519
the same time. I don't want to finish my dip.

913
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,360
I want to have all three dips and then I

914
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,679
want to taste them and like discuss them, you know,

915
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,480
like something going to Washington's.

916
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: When you mentioned it, you're like, oh, well, yeah, I

917
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:44,559
drop my dropped my mac Magnum Coonum and my Washington's

918
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:45,039
on the floor.

919
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 4: She did not question it.

920
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: I might, I might go to wine camps.

921
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 2: But oh my god, if I wouldn't fuck up Olive Garden,

922
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:54,159
like any chance i'd get.

923
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 3: Sorry, Mike, you brought up Franklin's I'd do one more

924
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,920
quick Soprano's reference that killed me. It's when Big Pussy

925
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:01,039
is talking. It was in fourmed and he was talking

926
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:02,920
about like he's trying to like get some money or whatever,

927
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,480
and he's just says something like, yeah, my my favorite

928
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,039
president's Franklin. Like it's like a hundred and they don't

929
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:10,760
make a deal out of it. No one talks about it.

930
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:11,960
It's like, oh, he was not a president.

931
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: Oh it's a Big Pussy's to the FBI contact.

932
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's trying to reference dollar Bill. He's like, I

933
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:18,400
love President Franklin.

934
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: There's so many good one off lines that my friends

935
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,639
and I use. Like there's an email question today that

936
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,480
kind of references this. But like, I didn't realize how

937
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,840
often I'm quoting Sopranos on accident these days because it's

938
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,960
become such a part of my vernacular with the people

939
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:34,599
I grew up with.

940
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: It's the most quotable show in the world.

941
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. Oh, I want to get some

942
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,000
bread sticks soon. I've not had Olive Garden in uh

943
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:46,639
over ten years. I would say, Mary, youve inspired me.

944
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:48,239
I'm going to be thinking about this. I wonder if

945
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,119
I haven't been in La, that'd be a weird place

946
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,000
to go to Oliver Garden, wouldn't it be? No?

947
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 4: No, I actually that's like I actually went tall of

948
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:57,840
Garden last time I was in La. Oh you're gonna, yeah,

949
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,800
you can absolutely go. I bet you. Naughty would love

950
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,480
to go with you. I bet you could get a

951
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,480
good crew to go to to go to all that.

952
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:07,199
Speaker 3: I bet you know what You're right, Naughty super would Yeah.

953
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 4: I think so that place is great. Well, yeah, last

954
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,760
time I was there. It's funny. I yeah, I was

955
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,079
in La and I had just wrapped something and we

956
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:19,719
were like, let's it's family let's go. This will be

957
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,000
a good evening. That was great, all right?

958
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:26,639
Speaker 1: You want to talk about video games? All right?

959
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:29,039
Speaker 2: I think two of the three of us I've played

960
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,159
Double O seven First Light from Io Interactive of Hitman Fame.

961
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: I beat it, Yes, see already.

962
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 4: How many hours is.

963
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 3: I would say fourteen to sixteen or so. I like

964
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,800
that time it is the game, yeah, but not not

965
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,119
too much, not unwieldy.

966
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:48,559
Speaker 2: There's a few areas that are more sandboxy that you

967
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:49,960
can take a lot of time exploring.

968
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: But there's also more linear areas.

969
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: There's car chases, there's plane chases, there's Naughty Dog sque

970
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,280
set pieces. There's little kind of mini game sort of

971
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,599
interrogation scenes that they play around with how you're kind

972
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:08,440
of manipulating a character in them. Io does a lot

973
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,480
here that I've never seen them do before. But Dan,

974
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:13,360
what are your I understand you like it. I'm curious

975
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,400
what your overall take on the game is.

976
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 3: Oh, I love it. I think it's fantastic. I think

977
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,840
they super over delivered. And that's even after everyone saw

978
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,639
the license and saw the developer and was like, wow,

979
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:25,000
that makes all the sense in the world. That's probably

980
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,639
gonna be great. I think it's better than people could

981
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:31,880
have expected, especially when it comes to like the action parts,

982
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,119
because you know it's Bond's like there's a big difference

983
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:38,119
between forty seven and Bond, Like there's the similarities where, yeah,

984
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:41,239
they both would probably be sneaking around in a fancy party,

985
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,599
you know, following a bad guy and stuff like that,

986
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,880
but at a certain point, Bond's always going to get

987
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,719
in the car chase and a shootout and things like that,

988
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,559
where it's like forty seven, that's not exactly his thing.

989
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,079
So in the hit Man games, when it came down

990
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:56,880
to hand to hand combat or gunplay, it was not

991
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,679
like the engine wasn't built for that to be a

992
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:02,199
folk So I was kind of worried, like, Okay, is

993
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,119
that going to be Is that going to be a

994
00:47:04,119 --> 00:47:06,440
weak point to the Double seven game? And no, they

995
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:09,039
clearly understood what they need to do with Bond, and

996
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,800
the hand to hand stuff is fantastic. Like it kept

997
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,000
reminding me of like the modern like kind of like

998
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,679
Fallout era Mission Impossibles where like specifically like that bathroom

999
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:20,079
fight with Henry Cavill where they're just like throwing each

1000
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:22,360
other through stuff and into walls and through toilets and

1001
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,920
all that stuff. It's just like the super kinetic you

1002
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,000
know fighting system that like there's there's wine cabinets and

1003
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,079
displays and windows and railings, and every time you would

1004
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:34,400
hope them to like, oh, throw the bad guy over

1005
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,480
the railing up I do this, or throw them into

1006
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,079
this electric box and they electrocute the guy. It does that,

1007
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:41,199
and then we'll also surprise you at times. And then

1008
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,800
there's just like here's a bottle, here's an iron on there,

1009
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,559
and you can just hit our te and just chuck

1010
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,400
it in their face and fucking throwing them over thing.

1011
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,719
It is. The hand to hand stuff's great. And then

1012
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,639
when it goes into action mode, it's very clear. It

1013
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:54,599
says like license to kill, and so it's like, all right,

1014
00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:56,159
this is going to be a shootout. This is not

1015
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,199
a We're done with the pretensive sneaking around or anything

1016
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,199
like that. We are on a runway. We have to

1017
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,639
catch this plane that's taking off. There's exploding barrels everywhere,

1018
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,559
and we're getting in a car chase to get to

1019
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:09,800
this area. So like when it goes action, it goes

1020
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,119
super bond like major action and they pull it off

1021
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:17,639
incredibly well for a developer that hasn't done that nearly

1022
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:20,679
as much with like the Hitman games. So and even

1023
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,599
just as a Bond story, I think it's fantastic. I

1024
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,199
like Bond. Like I know, Mike, you've watched all the

1025
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,239
Bonds before. I I've seen the Bros and Ones. I've

1026
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,800
seen like half the Craig Ones. That's pretty much. Yet

1027
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,440
Bond for me is Gold and I it's everything or Nothing.

1028
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,400
It's like these games. I think the Bond license works

1029
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,079
so well for games. The gadgets, the cars, the action

1030
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:45,559
and all those things, and I think, yeah, Gold and

1031
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:47,719
Eye Everything or Nothing in this now are like the

1032
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,519
holy trinity of like incredible Bond video games, and it's

1033
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:54,159
hard to argue that this one doesn't do it the best.

1034
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,280
You know, Golden I was based on the movie. They

1035
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,320
did a good job of that. It was nineteen ninety

1036
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,840
six seven feels ancient point. Everything or Nothing was a

1037
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,840
really cool, ambitious thing from that PS two era where

1038
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,440
it's like we're gonna hire, we're gonna get the actors,

1039
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,960
we're gonna write a new story. We're gonna bring in

1040
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,199
William de Foe and Heidi Klum and you know, actual

1041
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,599
actors and like very ambitious for Simon, I think it

1042
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:14,079
knocked it out of the park. But this one, I mean,

1043
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:17,679
my god, just the direction of this game and the

1044
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,960
way if this was a Bond movie, it would be

1045
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:22,840
one of my favorite Bond movies. I think the the

1046
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,960
actor that plays him is fantastic.

1047
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:27,079
Speaker 1: Like I honestly haven't played this game.

1048
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:29,519
Speaker 2: I'm like, I kind of I want Patrick Gibson to

1049
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:30,920
be the next Bond in the movies.

1050
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:31,119
Speaker 3: Now.

1051
00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: He's that good.

1052
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 2: He grows on you throughout the game, and I was like,

1053
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:35,679
oh man, I like this guy a lot.

1054
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: And I thought I was gonna hate it because it's

1055
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,480
doing the thing. It's I don't like prequels that much.

1056
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:41,800
I don't like having to see the same Like, Okay,

1057
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,440
this iconic character, I gotta watch. They did a prequel

1058
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,280
and we got to watch the guy become Batman and

1059
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,239
wait until okay, when does he get the fucking bat exactly?

1060
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:51,920
And like the way they do it, like Mike the

1061
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,119
fucking training montage, the way they do the training in

1062
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:58,280
this is the coolest tutorial shit I've ever seen. If

1063
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,639
it was and it was effective, it was and just style.

1064
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,440
It was like Okay, we're not gonna waste time. We're

1065
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,360
not gonna just put you through the same tutorial of

1066
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,920
here's the hand to hand part. Here's where you go

1067
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,519
down to the shooting gallery and do it with this,

1068
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:09,440
and then do the ear's I eat throw grenades. It

1069
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:12,079
is just quick cut and by the time you're done

1070
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:13,960
with this montage, you know how to kind of parkore

1071
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,400
over stuff, you know, I to sneak around, you know,

1072
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,519
I to shoot, you know, like.

1073
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: When the guns dry, you can whip it at someone's face. Yeah,

1074
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,360
it's it's It reminds me of like the Last of Us.

1075
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,480
I thought the Last of His Combat was really good

1076
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,400
with that too. It's like improvisation in like a very

1077
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,800
small space, Like what, oh, there's a brick. I'm gonna

1078
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,920
throw that quick just to get him off balance. Now

1079
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,599
I've got a two by four, I'm gonna smash more

1080
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:33,920
of the head.

1081
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: He's stunned.

1082
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,039
Speaker 2: Now I can get the kick to his face, like

1083
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,880
first Light's great to your point, like I do. I

1084
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:44,719
I felt as if they almost they introduced so much

1085
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,559
early on that I wish they did a bit better

1086
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:49,599
of a job of resurfacing some stuff later on.

1087
00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: But it's not stuff that's essential.

1088
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: It's just like fun stuff that I forgot you could do,

1089
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:57,320
Like you could still you're still totally fine to beat

1090
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,239
the game and beat like certain sections without it, but

1091
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,760
like specifically there's actually I know I want to I

1092
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:07,760
want to get to more like locale specific stuff because

1093
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,280
Io is so good at that. But like I do

1094
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,880
wish they could resurface stuff later on in the game

1095
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,280
in a way, but like I don't know how they

1096
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,559
do that without being super artificial about it. Maybe it's

1097
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:20,119
just a matter of like load screen stuff like tallis

1098
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:22,559
all this time like saying like hey, remember you can

1099
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:24,599
you could throw people into this kind of thing. But

1100
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:26,280
like to your point, it's so good at the improv

1101
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,400
aspect that you don't need that stuff to get through fights.

1102
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: It's more just like flavor to the whole thing.

1103
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like you're walking through this laundry room and

1104
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,440
if you want to just sneak up on everyone and

1105
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,960
do the occasional distraction and turn on a vacuum cleaner,

1106
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,639
you can. But then you can realize like, oh, this

1107
00:51:39,679 --> 00:51:42,360
guy's leaning against this giant like shelving thing, and then

1108
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,880
highlights it and say, oh what can I do there?

1109
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,039
Oh fuck, I can push this whole thing over, or

1110
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:48,800
all the ways your your your gadgets can interact with things.

1111
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,519
And it's not just oh I turned the radio on,

1112
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:52,679
I turned the printer on or whatever. There's so many

1113
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,840
like scaffolds and exploding things and sabotage a laptop so

1114
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,679
it electrocute someone, like really clever ways you can kind

1115
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:01,880
of like even though it's not as open as a Hitman,

1116
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:05,440
it's not this giant open sandbox like Hitman is, it

1117
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:08,559
does in these moments give you, like like the chess

1118
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:10,960
meat early on in the game. There's a lot of

1119
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,960
stuff you can do. There's a lot of rooms filled

1120
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,599
with guards, and I had times where it just came

1121
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:18,119
down to a hand a hand fight and had to

1122
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:20,000
knock them all out. Then I had times right to

1123
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:22,840
really improvise and find funny ways of distracting everyone, and

1124
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:25,960
it pulls everything off so so well.

1125
00:52:26,519 --> 00:52:29,599
Speaker 2: It's super impressive that Io, who is so known for

1126
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,960
sandboxes in replayability, Like there's certain points where you can

1127
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,519
kind of feel them restraining themselves because they know it's

1128
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:39,079
the Bond license, and they do a very very admirable

1129
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:42,280
job of straddling the line between mainstream Bond fans who

1130
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:43,760
are going to come play this and like find an

1131
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,639
awesome action adventure and iofans who do want more of

1132
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:50,039
the emergent gameplay, and they're going to go to that

1133
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:52,960
chess match area, They're going to be in the Mauritania area,

1134
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,280
and I think they're going to find a bit more

1135
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,199
to like there. I personally, I do feel like there's

1136
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,079
a stretch in the middle of this game where it

1137
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:02,760
gets comparatively weak to the rest. I don't I don't

1138
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,079
love the ship graveyard, the Africa section, yea, the.

1139
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 3: Back half of Mauritania, when you're just kind of doing

1140
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:10,280
uncharted stuff, that is maybe the weakest part of the

1141
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:10,679
game to me.

1142
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,679
Speaker 2: They try, agreed, they try to get like, they try

1143
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,199
to do actual traditional third person's stealth in a way

1144
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:19,639
they're not good with, and the guard patterns and the

1145
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,239
patrol roots just it doesn't feel like a developer that

1146
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,119
knows what they're doing yet in that regard, like they're good,

1147
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:29,800
they're better when that's like social clockwork. This feels more

1148
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,599
like it's actually militaristic guards patrolling, and it does not

1149
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:34,519
feel super organic, and it feels.

1150
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 3: Like old Metal year, like you know, late nineties, early

1151
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,639
two thousand, ye guard Ai sometimes yeah yeah.

1152
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like but then you know, you get to

1153
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,760
I love the resort in Vietnam. That's that section's fun.

1154
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,280
You're just that's very hit man. The humor too, It's

1155
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,440
like there's that douchebag where you're just trying to get

1156
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,360
in the fridge key for the bar so him and

1157
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,920
his tech bros can party. It's like this is IO

1158
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:57,679
doing their thing, just mocking everybody they can. But yeah,

1159
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:02,119
Patrick Gibson's amazing. And the game, like pacing wise, it

1160
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,960
jumps back and forth between so many cool little like

1161
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,000
I mean, I don't mean gimmick in a bad way,

1162
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:10,719
but there are some gimmicks in this game. Like the

1163
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,320
plane sequence. I was like, oh, it just reminds me

1164
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,320
of Uncharted three. But then I don't even I don't.

1165
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,199
I don't want to spoil it. If you played it,

1166
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,880
you know, and Dan, you probably know what I'm talking about.

1167
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,719
When you're a hand had, when you're hand to hand

1168
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,519
fighting on the plane, there's an added wrinkle with that.

1169
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:29,920
They the controller allows you to do that is really

1170
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,800
fucking cool. I've not seen a game do that before,

1171
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,559
and it's again playing into the Bond gadget aspect and

1172
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:39,760
it's like, oh you can also that's very like Daniel

1173
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,800
Craig era Bond, where it's like he just kind of

1174
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,840
brute forces people, combined with the outsmarting of the Pierce

1175
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,719
Brasen era Bond, which is like he uses the gadgets

1176
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,719
and kind of plans things ahead a bit more than

1177
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,079
Daniel Craig does, which I think they do a good

1178
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,480
job of like paying homage to all the chapters of

1179
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:02,480
Bond's history, like the humor of Roger Moore, the like

1180
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:08,239
borderline like rage of Timothy Dalton, the like they even

1181
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,280
get like some of the campiness of George Lazenby in here,

1182
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,159
Like it feels like, no matter who your favorite Bond is,

1183
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:16,480
there something going on here that you'll like. So it

1184
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:19,079
does feel like Io really did do their homework with Bond,

1185
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:22,400
rather than just getting really into the recent ones.

1186
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: I think it's a great Bond adventure period.

1187
00:55:26,159 --> 00:55:28,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, that part on the plane you're talking about where

1188
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:30,599
you realize there's extra wrinkle you can do. I was

1189
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:33,119
watching Minati to the stream for Giant Bomb that it

1190
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:35,000
came out, and he got to that point, and I

1191
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:36,960
love the moment he realizes what you can do on

1192
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,159
the plane there. He just like kind of laughed and

1193
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:41,000
he's like, Oh, this game just lets you have fun,

1194
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:42,920
doesn't it. And like that's that's a great way of

1195
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,599
putting Where's like, oh, that's fun. It's a gimmick, but

1196
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:47,559
it's a fun one that totally works for this.

1197
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, tell me more about the gadgets. What's like some

1198
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,599
of the gadgets that you get to. When I think

1199
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:56,360
of a you know, a Bond game, I think I'm

1200
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:57,920
gonna get to play with some fun stuff.

1201
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 3: Yes, so that's a thing that us really well where

1202
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,000
you know, in most Bond movies, I feel like there's

1203
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,760
a scene where it's like, oh, you go into Q's

1204
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,199
lab and Q is like, no bon So this has

1205
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:08,760
got a thing. You can do this and be careful

1206
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,159
with the Bond while Bond's like pressing buttons and causing

1207
00:56:11,199 --> 00:56:12,320
fires and stuff like that.

1208
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 4: You know, it's shooting gum is a bomb.

1209
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,119
Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah, checks watch laser.

1210
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So like they have that here where it's

1211
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,719
like you can walk around several times throughout the game

1212
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,800
and Q's lab and like you can interact with stuff

1213
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,239
and it's just causing trouble and setting fires and shit

1214
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,320
like that. But the main thing is based around your watch.

1215
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:33,280
So if you get a Q watch, and that's how

1216
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,599
you hack things. So if you hold an LB that's

1217
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:37,519
kind of the Bond vision thing. You know, it's kind

1218
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:39,519
of like the Batman vision and the Arkham game stuff

1219
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:41,599
like that, but it's explained as like you've got lenses

1220
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,119
in your eyes and you can kind of see what's hackable.

1221
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,079
You can see how things can interact with other parts

1222
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:49,840
of your gadgets, which is like a watch laser, so

1223
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,719
you can use that to like blind a guard temporarily.

1224
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,079
So if a guy's guarding a safe, you can oh shit,

1225
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:56,320
and you can like run behind him or whatever.

1226
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:57,039
Speaker 4: Like a laser.

1227
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a little like laser that shoots out

1228
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,239
of his watch, and that can also knock down scaffolding

1229
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,039
above a guard and knock them out. You can get

1230
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,039
like air pods, like a little air pod case that

1231
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:08,960
doubles as a flash mine, and so that'll like stick

1232
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,119
on walls and act as a proximity mind so guards

1233
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:14,360
walk by it knocks out one or two of them.

1234
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,599
You've got a pin like a pin that shoots tiny

1235
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,840
little missiles out and that's something again later on. But

1236
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:25,039
that's super fun. Oh the poisoned darts are right, it

1237
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:26,199
comes out of your phone heat man.

1238
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:26,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1239
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:28,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just shoot someone and he gets nauseous and

1240
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:30,159
he has to go find a bathroom in a trash

1241
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:32,280
can so you can kind of maneuver around.

1242
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 4: Straight from the movie. That's a good one, the nauseous Yeah,

1243
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,480
the one that makes you have to go to the bathroom.

1244
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: That's good.

1245
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 4: Or yeah, those are good.

1246
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 3: They all feel very shockwave camera, which that is so funny.

1247
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,960
It's a camera, yeah that when you press the button,

1248
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:48,719
it shoots out a shockwa so like if there's a

1249
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:51,199
guard like standing next to a railing or whatever, just

1250
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:53,679
like force pushes them off the railing to their decks.

1251
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:55,519
Speaker 4: Pretending to use it like you're like cheese.

1252
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:57,519
Speaker 3: I mean, he doesn't like say anything, but it does,

1253
00:57:57,599 --> 00:57:59,239
like you know, like that that works.

1254
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,599
Speaker 1: Yeahcause I also love that the little.

1255
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,599
Speaker 2: Like particle effect they used to show the shockwave is

1256
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:11,079
the most ratchet and clank ass like wavy cylinder that

1257
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:11,679
goes at them.

1258
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, I used I started.

1259
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:16,119
Speaker 2: Using that too when I just wanted to like again,

1260
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:18,960
there's a there's a cool section two with an art

1261
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,480
gallery down in a basement, like an art storage gallery

1262
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:23,760
under a museum, where I was.

1263
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:26,039
Speaker 1: Like, fuck this, I've been stealthy all day.

1264
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 2: I just want to go, like use this shockwave camera

1265
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,239
and you can knock shit over left and right and

1266
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,280
like pull stuff off the ceiling with it and just

1267
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:38,199
crashed on to people. But yeah, the there's I Still

1268
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:42,239
the game sometimes feels disjointed, especially in the Mauritania area,

1269
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,239
starts to feel a bit formulaic, where they're like, Okay,

1270
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:45,760
you got to go make this amount of money in

1271
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,760
order to bribe this dude, and it feels a bit

1272
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:54,400
too much like early two thousands role playing games, where

1273
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,320
it's like, okay, well I'm gonna go talk to this guy,

1274
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,360
and oh, conveniently, the money I just made from these

1275
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,199
three side quest amounted to exactly what I needed to

1276
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:05,079
pay this guy. You start to see through the artifice

1277
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:08,079
of it. But still, the pacing of the rest of

1278
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,000
the game is so good it's hard to care during

1279
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,280
there those slugs. Even though those do kind of halt

1280
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,559
the momentum, it just hurts that they're right in the

1281
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:17,679
middle of the game. So I think the center can

1282
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:19,480
the Mauritania area can get a bit.

1283
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: Sluggish for me.

1284
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: And it comes directly after maybe the most like holy shit,

1285
00:59:26,039 --> 00:59:28,480
like as far as like the chess meat is this

1286
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:31,639
great big stealth sandbox. Then it goes into the car chase,

1287
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:34,239
into the runway thing, into the plane stuff we were

1288
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:36,159
talking about, So it's like bang bang bang, like some

1289
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:38,000
of the best shit in the entire game. And then

1290
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:40,599
Mauritania is like, yeah, you're kind of walking around like

1291
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:42,760
it's kind of clever, like the making the money thing.

1292
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:44,760
I like how there's like, oh, here's like maybe six

1293
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,199
different activities you can do, and that's where it's like, oh,

1294
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:48,840
I did it one way and I asked bank, like

1295
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,400
how did you make the money physical? Oh, you didn't

1296
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,800
do the fight pit, but you did this. You know.

1297
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,960
It's like there's not a lot of replayability in this

1298
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,320
the way there is a Hitman, but like there are

1299
00:59:56,519 --> 00:59:59,280
things like this where my experience might be slightly different

1300
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,280
than yours. But it's all to say that part's a

1301
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,119
little slow paced. And then it goes into that kind

1302
01:00:03,159 --> 01:00:06,119
of long ship graveyard stuff that is again probably the

1303
01:00:06,159 --> 01:00:08,599
biggest like lull in the game. And there's a couple

1304
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:11,280
more that are you know, not the most exciting. There's

1305
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:12,960
things that could have trimmed up at the end where

1306
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,960
it's like, Okay, I'm just kind of walking around, just

1307
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:17,159
kind of hacking stuff with my watch, trying to move

1308
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:18,760
forward for you know, a half hour or so.

1309
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,719
Speaker 2: What did you think about the I forget the name

1310
01:00:22,719 --> 01:00:25,679
of the corporation, the office web web what did you

1311
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:27,519
think of web HQ the office building.

1312
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 3: There's some clever stuff there, like trying to figure out

1313
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,920
how to get into rooms and get around alarms and

1314
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,079
stuff like that, but ultimately there is just a lot

1315
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,320
of like, all right, what window can I see through?

1316
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,800
What thing can I jump across? Okay, there's a blue tarp,

1317
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:41,880
I can go that way. You know. It's not the

1318
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,400
most I think it's a cool location. It's like super

1319
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:48,519
you know, like high end like uh tech HQ and

1320
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:50,559
that you're breaking into kind of at night, Like I think,

1321
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:52,320
I think that's a cool idea. I just don't think

1322
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,320
what you're doing moment moment. There is like among the

1323
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,519
stronger parts of the game.

1324
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was like there was a puzzle sequence there

1325
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,599
as well, when you're trying to figure out like a

1326
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:02,639
code to a safe and I was like, this is

1327
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:06,199
the most like elder scrolls ass, Like, who the fuck

1328
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:07,639
would write this in a journal?

1329
01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: It's like, sure, remember this memory and this number that

1330
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:10,679
came up.

1331
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:12,519
Speaker 2: It was like, all right, yeah, I think this, uh,

1332
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:15,320
this ultra text genius CEO might be better than that,

1333
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:15,800
but maybe not.

1334
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe that's what they're trying to say.

1335
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,079
Speaker 3: There's a huge security gap with their fucking vacuum cleaners.

1336
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 2: That reminded me of Perfect Dark because you do it.

1337
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:25,719
There's a in the campaign for Perfect Ark. You have

1338
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,559
a very similar solution to puzzle. But yeah, it's super

1339
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:32,079
fun to see Io like a developer. I know, all

1340
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,440
three of us respect the hell out of just knocking

1341
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,320
out of the park with such a one of the

1342
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,519
biggest licenses, especially a license with so many questions surrounding

1343
01:01:39,559 --> 01:01:41,360
it now that Amazon bought it, and who's gonna be

1344
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,079
the next Bond and what's like the future of the movies.

1345
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:49,159
Them doing such a good job here is super heartening

1346
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:51,360
for them and for the franchise because I don't know

1347
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,719
what's coming next for it. But yeah, they very very

1348
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,760
glad they they got handed the reins to this. It

1349
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,360
makes a lot of sense, and they proved it.

1350
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 3: They're they're gonna kill it with more of these. I'm sure, Mary,

1351
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:02,440
do you think you're gonna play it?

1352
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 4: I'm absolutely gonna play it. I was traveling, so every

1353
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,239
game I've played is on steam Deck. This because I

1354
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:13,920
was I was traveling, but I got it. Can you

1355
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,159
play it on steam Deck? Probably not.

1356
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:20,039
Speaker 2: This is like such a like a classic three third

1357
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:22,719
person action adventure. Sit on your couch, just bust it

1358
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,599
out over a weekend game. I wouldn't even would try

1359
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:26,239
to steam deck.

1360
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, like, did you guys play it on PC? Or

1361
01:02:28,519 --> 01:02:29,800
did you play it on console?

1362
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 3: PC?

1363
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:31,719
Speaker 4: Okay, cool?

1364
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: We perform?

1365
01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:35,599
Speaker 3: Well great, I ran off my laptop. It was perfect.

1366
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah no, this is just like I sit.

1367
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,119
Speaker 2: This is like poor a drink, sit with it for

1368
01:02:40,199 --> 01:02:42,360
like four or five hours at a time, kind of

1369
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,199
old school game.

1370
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:46,679
Speaker 4: Yep, sounds great. I mean, you guys are talking super

1371
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:49,639
positively of it. Besides, like some minor details. Do you

1372
01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:50,960
guys mind fusing it.

1373
01:02:52,199 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 3: On a ten point scale? I would give this a

1374
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,000
nine point five. I guess that's a twenty point scale.

1375
01:02:57,039 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we know, Yeah, yeah, I like the point

1376
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,480
we know that it's not the scale or how it works,

1377
01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:02,199
but that's very high.

1378
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 3: We've done nine my number two of the year, I

1379
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,159
would say, behind Rerekwuim And it's not even it's kind

1380
01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:07,559
of close.

1381
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm probably closer to an eight.

1382
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1383
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,639
Speaker 2: Still, like I still think it's the best Bond game

1384
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:16,559
ever made, but like just that's just because I I

1385
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:19,400
that's just because they haven't all aged well. But obviously

1386
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,159
this one's brand new, so it hasn't aged yet. Yeah,

1387
01:03:22,159 --> 01:03:23,840
maybe a little bit higher than eight, but eight eight

1388
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:28,159
point five range for sure. The momentum in the middle

1389
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:29,719
of the game, and like there's certain parts in the

1390
01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:32,760
game where I really I could have done with all

1391
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,360
the the six Headquarters interstitial chapters where you're just kind

1392
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,320
of like, I appreciate that there lulls, but like, honest

1393
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,679
honestly looking at like how Black Ops six handled that

1394
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,800
at the rook that Headquarters, like I found that to

1395
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,159
be much more sure, like compelling than going back to

1396
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:50,559
I six every time those Also, I was like, I

1397
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:52,000
just want to get to the next mission because so

1398
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:53,360
much of this is so well paced.

1399
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's a nine, but I do like doing

1400
01:03:56,039 --> 01:03:58,039
the point five So just in spirit thinks that there's

1401
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:00,639
a point five there, maybe it's a nine, but.

1402
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,199
Speaker 1: Really like great game overall.

1403
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:04,199
Speaker 2: Also some characters early on that I'm like, I fucking

1404
01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:06,760
hate these people, and then all of a sudden, like the.

1405
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,039
Speaker 3: Villain Monroe, a villain Monroe.

1406
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 2: Yes you're one of your I six classmates. I was like,

1407
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,440
I don't like this guy at all.

1408
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: He sucks.

1409
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,679
Speaker 2: But like they knew what they were doing because then

1410
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,119
later on that story stuff I won't get into.

1411
01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:22,119
Speaker 3: They do a great job with all those characters.

1412
01:04:22,039 --> 01:04:24,119
Speaker 2: But like only the other thing I'll say about the villain,

1413
01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:25,760
similar thing, I'm like, I don't know if I know,

1414
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,719
Like I don't know if Io is writing Chops is

1415
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,079
up to snuff for a Bond villain, Like Bond villains

1416
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:33,440
are the cheesiest characters ever. But like, again, similar to

1417
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,280
what they do with Bond here, they bridge the gap

1418
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,639
between the cheesy side of Bond villains and the believable

1419
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:41,639
side and the like, fuck this guy, he's so gonna

1420
01:04:41,639 --> 01:04:44,079
be in a douchebag. He's like they picked the perfect

1421
01:04:44,159 --> 01:04:47,159
actor to moke happ and voice him. Like I actually

1422
01:04:47,159 --> 01:04:49,440
came away really liking what they did with the villain here.

1423
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a few villains of a very well

1424
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,840
you got the acting toward the forest of Lenny Kravitz

1425
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:56,400
of course.

1426
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:02,719
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, I forgot about Lenny. Yeah, and he's just

1427
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,840
playing Lenny Kravitz really well.

1428
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 4: I know there's a but he's just like YouTuber and

1429
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,320
streamer Twitch streamer cameos in the game as well.

1430
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:13,639
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that, I think.

1431
01:05:13,679 --> 01:05:15,559
Speaker 4: So did I make that up to.

1432
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:16,199
Speaker 1: Queen of Twitch?

1433
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:19,519
Speaker 3: You're probably right, Yeah, I just wouldn't have recognized him.

1434
01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: No, Lenny Kravitz was a sore spot for sure.

1435
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,519
Speaker 2: It is like he's just playing himself now, Like why

1436
01:05:24,639 --> 01:05:26,039
they it's so odd.

1437
01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:28,519
Speaker 3: He's not believable at all. It's like you.

1438
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:31,519
Speaker 1: Don't need more star power than like but like, look.

1439
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 3: They've done that like Madonna and Die Another Day, Like

1440
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,760
they've done gimmick stuff like that, and even like iow

1441
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,000
they do the elusive targets of like Gary Busey and

1442
01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:40,760
celebrity cameos, so like it didn't feel it didn't feel that.

1443
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:42,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I just.

1444
01:05:43,159 --> 01:05:46,679
Speaker 4: Can't crowd is in it and Jack Sceptic guy, like

1445
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:47,679
there's there's like.

1446
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:51,199
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think I saw them Jack Sceptic, I I

1447
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:53,639
would recognize, but I didn't see him. If he was

1448
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:56,679
in it, Jack, you did not leave a lasting in print.

1449
01:05:56,719 --> 01:05:57,639
Speaker 1: I'm just joking. I don't know.

1450
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,199
Speaker 4: That's I mean, I think it's interesting because, like when

1451
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:04,199
you see stuff like that, my instant, my instinct is

1452
01:06:04,239 --> 01:06:07,719
to be like, uh oh, like that's probably not great. Yeah, no,

1453
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,280
that it sounds like they found a way to do

1454
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:09,920
it naturally.

1455
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 3: I think it's great because they wrote in me and

1456
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,320
Jeff Butckler as mcgroob feud into hit Man three, So

1457
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:15,880
I think they do a great job with this stuff.

1458
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Dan, it's been blinding the final cut.

1459
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 3: Yes, it's in the game hit Man three. Right, Yeah,

1460
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,760
it's two guards talking like, hey, we'll give me back

1461
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,320
my blu Ray, Like, what the hell is the.

1462
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:26,639
Speaker 1: Chron King mission?

1463
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:27,039
Speaker 3: Right?

1464
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:27,599
Speaker 1: The China?

1465
01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 3: I can't remember, but I'm pretty sure it's chron King.

1466
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: I remember that.

1467
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:31,079
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1468
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Double seven first Light. Good for Io,

1469
01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:39,320
that's so cool. Yeah, it just needs to keep that

1470
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,360
momentum going with the next movie.

1471
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

1472
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,519
Speaker 3: Amazon would never screw something.

1473
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: Up, I know, say the perfect that's that spaceship was

1474
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:51,280
fine the other day, wasn't it.

1475
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 3: That's fine?

1476
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what's mean of the hollower, and now I

1477
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,239
know what it is. I haven't played it, but you

1478
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:57,920
guys were talked about it. Last episode.

1479
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 4: We finished me and I finished. You finished roll credits.

1480
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 3: I have finished four. I'm on the fifth of six

1481
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,360
towers now, and unlike you, I think I'm going directly

1482
01:07:06,519 --> 01:07:09,039
in the path that the newspapers have told me to do,

1483
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:10,960
and you did crazy merry stuff.

1484
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,239
Speaker 2: I do have one suggestion, Dan, I've not played the game.

1485
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,800
If you're going to finish it, so try not to

1486
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,599
be lying on a wooden bench when you do it.

1487
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:22,119
Speaker 1: Because I have heard but that that could The.

1488
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:23,639
Speaker 3: Guy that I was reading said that actually kind of

1489
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:26,320
helps it. Wrong.

1490
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guy's wrong. Don't listen to him.

1491
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:32,519
Speaker 3: Mary. A good angle for that good angle for steam Deck. Yeah,

1492
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:32,960
I know it.

1493
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: Sounds super comfortable, but don't fall. It does sound to

1494
01:07:37,559 --> 01:07:39,199
the wooden bench.

1495
01:07:39,639 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 4: I'm enough pain killers. Take down a horse. I feel

1496
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:44,440
completely numb.

1497
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,159
Speaker 3: Because your spine has a changed shape to fit that. Yeah.

1498
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I'm a fucking ninety degree angle.

1499
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,119
Speaker 3: It is like it is a game that is not

1500
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,360
just great for steam Deck. It is like I don't

1501
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,800
like playing it on a larger screen steam Deck. Just

1502
01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:01,800
something about the pixels in the way the art style is.

1503
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,719
It's like I tried playing on this monitor one, so

1504
01:08:03,719 --> 01:08:05,559
it's like, no, this this, this is a game that

1505
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:08,400
is meant to be played on a handheld platform for sure.

1506
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: Oracle of Seasons in Ages, I had the same thing

1507
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,440
when I played a bigger screen of like Nope, Game

1508
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:13,280
Boy Color go Back.

1509
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 4: I think it should be on a smaller screen. I

1510
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,920
think it looks good, and they're they're explaining everything that

1511
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,359
you need to see on that tiny screen very well.

1512
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,560
So yeah, I've I feel better now that I've finished it,

1513
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:29,159
saying that they really did put the mean in Mina.

1514
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:33,960
It is a mean game to me. It's really difficult

1515
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,800
for me to get through it.

1516
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 3: It did okay hard and like not in the fun ways.

1517
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:40,640
Like here's the thing, Like there's games that are hard,

1518
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,800
like an Elden Ring or a Secero or something, but

1519
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,039
it's like, Okay, this is like expertly crafted. This is

1520
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:47,159
the way it's supposed to be hard for a reason.

1521
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:49,319
This is just we talked about a little bit last time,

1522
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,159
but like just the amount of times I was walking

1523
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:53,680
around in a circle forever trying to figure out the

1524
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,520
next place to go. It's like, this is not fun hard,

1525
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,960
This is like, oh, how I there's a fucking bush

1526
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:01,439
there on the edge of the screen that if I

1527
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,039
cut that, that's the one way I can get to

1528
01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:06,520
this area. Yeah, it feels just kind of random.

1529
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some brutal parts to it. Yeah, I think

1530
01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:12,960
I think it expects you to be smart. There was

1531
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,800
a part where I was getting stuck. I could not

1532
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:20,239
figure out how to get to the bone uh beach.

1533
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,520
Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, yeah, I struggled with that too.

1534
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:23,359
Speaker 1: To get there.

1535
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 4: I could not figure out how to get to bone Beach.

1536
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,319
And even when they had explained to me that there's

1537
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:30,079
a thing that you need to jump on in order

1538
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:33,479
to get more fight, I still couldn't figure it out.

1539
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,800
And when I found it, when I saw it and

1540
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,720
I realized you just needed to do it on a

1541
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,079
very specific ledge that could get you through, I was

1542
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:44,319
not at myself that I couldn't figure that out.

1543
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,199
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's I I think the thing is like

1544
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:49,239
I mentioned last week that like I have several times

1545
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:51,000
put this down and been like, I think I'm too

1546
01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:53,800
frustrated with this game. I get what it's doing. I

1547
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,600
respect it, but I'm not enjoying it enough. I have

1548
01:09:57,039 --> 01:09:59,840
come around on it and that it's out now, So

1549
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,279
so when I do get frustrated, they're like, I don't

1550
01:10:02,279 --> 01:10:03,880
want to walk around for another half hour to figure

1551
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,720
out how to get the bone beach. I can pull

1552
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,960
up a long play and I can just kind of like, oh, fuck, okay,

1553
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:10,640
so I was supposed to cut that stupid thing, or

1554
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,479
I can jump over that. Didn't realize that, so I

1555
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,680
have no I will absolutely go to a guide or

1556
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,560
something if I'm just hitting one of those walls. But

1557
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:20,279
when we were playing in pre released, like he didn't

1558
01:10:20,319 --> 01:10:23,199
have that option at all. So I am like you, now,

1559
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,600
I've crossed the threshold now to where I do think

1560
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,840
I admire the game and enjoy the game more than

1561
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:32,079
I'm frustrated by it. But all of the things that

1562
01:10:32,119 --> 01:10:35,039
I complained about last week still hold true. Like I

1563
01:10:35,039 --> 01:10:38,039
think there's I don't love a lot of the decisions

1564
01:10:38,079 --> 01:10:39,800
they made about the design of this game, but I

1565
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,159
am liking it quite a bit still, Like as you

1566
01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:45,239
get more trinket slots and things like that, you can

1567
01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:48,479
kind of gets you go.

1568
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 4: To boss it's a game changer totally.

1569
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 3: You go to boss fight, it's like, all right, I'm

1570
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:53,239
gonna get the one that's attack. I'm gonna get the

1571
01:10:53,239 --> 01:10:54,439
one that's defense. I'm gonna get the one that makes

1572
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:55,960
the explosion when I come out of the ground, like

1573
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:58,359
you'll you'll speck for that. And then when it's just

1574
01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:01,199
like okay, I'm just gonna be in between dungeons exploring

1575
01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:03,039
the overworld, I'll get a bunch of stuff that makes

1576
01:11:03,039 --> 01:11:05,359
it easier to traverse and kind of float down and

1577
01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:09,399
walk faster, and like it's I have like six trinket

1578
01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:11,520
slots or something now, and it's just like so much

1579
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:12,479
better than it was before.

1580
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,359
Speaker 4: So yeah, that makes a hell of a big difference

1581
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,199
to get your trink Oh, every time you finish a boss,

1582
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:21,079
you get your health maxed out a little bit more.

1583
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:25,359
That's been a game changer for me. I did have

1584
01:11:25,399 --> 01:11:29,000
to look up a guide I think three times because

1585
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,239
I was so fucking stuck, and then I thought to myself,

1586
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,760
why am I so miserable? You can just look it

1587
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,600
up and continue on. I'm glad I did that. The

1588
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,159
other thing that I did, I don't know if I

1589
01:11:40,279 --> 01:11:41,680
talked about this in the last one, but I do

1590
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,560
think it's worth I think it's I think it's the

1591
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,600
honest thing to do, which is I went into the settings.

1592
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,399
There's a lot of different mods that you can do

1593
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,560
in the settings to make the game just slightly more

1594
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:57,720
convenient for the player. I think that the heel is

1595
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,119
really long, and you can get killed while you're healing

1596
01:12:01,239 --> 01:12:04,239
really easily because it's five seconds long, and if you're

1597
01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:07,039
doing a boss, you're not going to make it. I

1598
01:12:07,159 --> 01:12:10,640
found a mod in the settings that makes your heel

1599
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,119
take half as much time, and I put that on

1600
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:14,520
and that was a game changer for me.

1601
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have not I'm kind of a stickler with

1602
01:12:17,079 --> 01:12:19,159
like I like that all those are in there. I

1603
01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:21,560
think those accessibility things are really cool and they're pretty

1604
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,760
like crazy, Like you don't typically see games that you

1605
01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:25,640
mod it that much basically.

1606
01:12:25,359 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 4: On the fly, very intricate. There's so many different ones

1607
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:29,479
that you can do.

1608
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and I haven't done that yet. I haven't

1609
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,239
pulled the trigger on that. I think I'm far enough

1610
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:36,359
now to where it's like, all right, I have a

1611
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:39,119
trinket that makes me drink those things twice as fast,

1612
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:41,439
so it's like, okay, I'll try to do it within

1613
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,720
the tools it's given me without but like, I don't

1614
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,520
know if someone needs to use that or whatever. I

1615
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:46,159
totally get it.

1616
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 4: This is what I will say to you. I respect

1617
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:54,119
you very much for choosing to play the game Natchy

1618
01:12:54,359 --> 01:12:57,600
and not altering it in any capacity. I have found

1619
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,800
that when I altered it ever so slightly, I enjoyed

1620
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,159
the game so much more. And they put them in

1621
01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:06,680
there for me to be able to alter it so

1622
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,920
that it could be more functional and more enjoyable. And

1623
01:13:10,359 --> 01:13:12,159
like you, now that I've rolled credits on it, I

1624
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:13,560
can look back on it and be like, that was

1625
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,960
a great game. It was a fantastic game. I did

1626
01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:20,079
enjoy it. I was just getting so goddamn frustrated at

1627
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:25,680
a couple bosses. And there's there's areas Dan where they

1628
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,319
just they just keep throwing enemies at you in these

1629
01:13:28,399 --> 01:13:32,720
really aggressive spaces. There's like this area with glass where

1630
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,479
you have to touch the glass to turn it into dirt,

1631
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,520
and then you have to go under to like be

1632
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,079
able to go under that area would have been so

1633
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:43,239
fucking hard without my without my heel mod I needed

1634
01:13:43,239 --> 01:13:45,680
to heal in these some of these spaces, like even

1635
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,079
faster even with even with the trinket, I was like,

1636
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:54,640
I'm dying, so I will just say although I like

1637
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,119
wrestled with it. And I also was like, oh, I

1638
01:13:57,159 --> 01:13:58,439
have all these I'm not going to turn them on

1639
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,560
because I'm going to play this game all the way.

1640
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:04,840
I think three fourths the way through this game, somewhere

1641
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,159
in the mirror section, and fuck that. That mirror section

1642
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:11,800
is also really brutal. I was like, I need the help.

1643
01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:15,920
I'm okay asking for directions. I need this, and I'm

1644
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:16,840
really glad that I did.

1645
01:14:17,159 --> 01:14:19,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's just a personal preference thing, like

1646
01:14:19,319 --> 01:14:21,600
I'm trying to do it without tweaking it, but like

1647
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,520
it sounds like it made it a more enjoyable experience

1648
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:23,920
for you, and.

1649
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,399
Speaker 4: Like I've never better, I'm happier.

1650
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 3: I've never understood people that like get mad about like

1651
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,880
they had in an easy mode. For It's like, fuck off,

1652
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,680
don't use it. If you don't want to use it,

1653
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,119
doesn't affect the way you have to play the game,

1654
01:14:35,159 --> 01:14:37,520
you know. So, But then again, it's like it's that's

1655
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,720
always an interesting conversation to me because like something like

1656
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,439
a secero, I think about that and it's like so

1657
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,119
much of what I loved about that was like being

1658
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:49,319
forced to fucking learn and get better and like, so

1659
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:51,720
with that one, if they did have a Meana style

1660
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,800
accessibility thing with like fifty different toggles to make it easier,

1661
01:14:55,399 --> 01:14:57,560
I can kind of see myself with that one being like, mmm,

1662
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,800
that is kind of like changing the whole thing of

1663
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,119
this game, you know where Mina though it feels to

1664
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:05,800
me like, okay, no, this just seems like it's just

1665
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,039
gonna help you enjoy it, you know.

1666
01:15:07,319 --> 01:15:10,239
Speaker 4: Well maybe, I mean I would say there's mods that

1667
01:15:10,279 --> 01:15:13,279
make like you do ten times the damage or make

1668
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,319
you know, enemies do one tenth the damage to you,

1669
01:15:17,239 --> 01:15:19,680
I would agree with you at some point if you're

1670
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:23,319
adding all those mods, then you're probably not going through

1671
01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:26,960
the experience of these fights. I tried a lot of

1672
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:31,239
different methods, and this was the one where I was like,

1673
01:15:31,279 --> 01:15:33,920
I want a challenging game. I do want to suffer

1674
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:35,560
a little bit. I want I want to have to

1675
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,600
go to the bosses like a bunch of times. I

1676
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,239
think for me, the heal was the one deal breaker

1677
01:15:41,239 --> 01:15:42,800
for me where I was like, if I can't heal,

1678
01:15:43,319 --> 01:15:46,520
I'm going to be angry. I'm angry that I can't heal,

1679
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:50,199
And so that was like the one that I gave myself.

1680
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:52,439
But I am with you in the sense that, like,

1681
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,479
this game is meant to be hard, this game is

1682
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,520
not meant to be easy. I don't want this game

1683
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,560
to be easy. I wanted it to be managable, and

1684
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,840
for me, that was the mod that made it manageable

1685
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:03,680
but still difficult.

1686
01:16:04,199 --> 01:16:05,119
Speaker 3: Yeah it makes sense.

1687
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, I think it's to each their own.

1688
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,279
And I also I fully agree with your your stance

1689
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,600
of in general, which is like, if you really want

1690
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,880
hard games, then leave it alone and play it exactly

1691
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,520
as it is. This game you absolutely could get through

1692
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:23,239
without altering it. I just think it's a real It's

1693
01:16:23,239 --> 01:16:26,720
a real fucking brutal game. To the bitter end, to

1694
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,760
the to the last boss fight. I was like, you,

1695
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,680
son of a bitch, this is a game that pushes

1696
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,840
you to your absolute limits. I think it's fantastic. I

1697
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,960
enjoyed it so so much. But I am grateful that

1698
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,159
I made a couple I made that I made that

1699
01:16:41,239 --> 01:16:43,920
alteration to make myself be able to get through it.

1700
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,880
God damn it. Uh yeah, there's a real fun area

1701
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,760
at the end too. If you continue to play it, Dan,

1702
01:16:50,119 --> 01:16:53,439
I'll be curious what you think. Uh, the game has

1703
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:58,920
a really interesting ending. Uh that reflects upon the way

1704
01:16:58,920 --> 01:16:59,640
you played the game.

1705
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 3: Interesting. Okay, I like something that.

1706
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 4: I like it too. It I like when games, uh

1707
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,760
get a bit cheeky and reminisce about your.

1708
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 3: Experience, the Undertail type stuff.

1709
01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 4: It did. It did remind me of Undertail. It's funny

1710
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,039
that you mentioned that very specific game. I think it.

1711
01:17:17,079 --> 01:17:17,680
I think it did.

1712
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, I like that stuff.

1713
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: There's an email question that will pertain to this game,

1714
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:26,439
and it made me look up the Witness reminds me

1715
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:28,760
of this as well. Like reviewing that game. Not being

1716
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:29,880
able to look up guides was.

1717
01:17:30,119 --> 01:17:31,319
Speaker 3: God, oh my god.

1718
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 2: I was just looking at my review and oh my god,

1719
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,159
I can't stand my writing from that.

1720
01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:40,159
Speaker 1: Then it's not it's not like pretentious.

1721
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:42,399
Speaker 2: It's just bad, badly written. You can look it up

1722
01:17:42,399 --> 01:17:43,840
if you want to go for it.

1723
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not. It's no masterpiece like my Uh fucking.

1724
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 3: About the author? Yeah, yeah, about the author?

1725
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,119
Speaker 1: Mary. What is Dungeon Claller.

1726
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 4: Dungeon Claller is a new game that I was playing. Well,

1727
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,399
I think I played the demo back in the day,

1728
01:18:09,199 --> 01:18:11,760
but now the full game has come out. I love

1729
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,560
a claw game, but this also is a deck builder

1730
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,600
rogue like, so every time you play it's kind of

1731
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,119
a It has a brutal first spot, which is like

1732
01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:26,119
you're a rabbit and they cut off your paw to

1733
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:29,000
make a Lucky's rabbits paw, and then so you attach

1734
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:30,880
a claw to it so that you can go through

1735
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,279
this dungeon and get your I don't know, get your

1736
01:18:33,319 --> 01:18:36,680
paw back. It's kind of it's kind of mean, but anyway,

1737
01:18:37,079 --> 01:18:41,600
so you're claw. You're using the claw to grab knives

1738
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,399
or hammers. If you do that, you attack the enemy

1739
01:18:44,399 --> 01:18:47,039
that's with you, or you could get shields that gives

1740
01:18:47,079 --> 01:18:50,199
you defense. And then there's lots of interactives that I

1741
01:18:50,199 --> 01:18:52,119
think are really fun. I'll give you an example of

1742
01:18:52,119 --> 01:18:55,000
one that I think is particularly interesting. They have a

1743
01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:58,119
water gun that you can put in the machine. If

1744
01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:03,720
you fill the machine with water water, certain items will float,

1745
01:19:04,199 --> 01:19:08,119
and certain items will sink. So the swords, because they're

1746
01:19:08,119 --> 01:19:10,000
made of metal, will sink to the bottom, making it

1747
01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:12,319
really difficult for you to pick them up. And so

1748
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:14,279
enemies will fill the machine with water just to fuck

1749
01:19:14,319 --> 01:19:17,239
with you. And then things that are made of wood,

1750
01:19:17,319 --> 01:19:20,079
like a wooden shield will float because wood floats, and

1751
01:19:20,119 --> 01:19:22,560
so then you can you can heal. But the water

1752
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:26,079
gun if you change what's in the water, If you

1753
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:29,840
add a lava bomb to the water, all of a sudden,

1754
01:19:30,039 --> 01:19:32,600
now the water's lava. And so if you have a

1755
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,840
water gun, it'll shoot lava at your enemies and turn them,

1756
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:37,880
you know, get them on fire. You can do the

1757
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,479
same thing with poisons. You can make the water poison,

1758
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:47,159
you can make the the water freeze the characters with

1759
01:19:47,239 --> 01:19:49,119
the water gun. So I think it's really neat how

1760
01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:52,079
much you can play with the different elements that's in

1761
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:54,920
this tank and build your character. You build your deck

1762
01:19:55,119 --> 01:19:57,880
based on how you want to attack. Is it you

1763
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,560
want to go with a poison build, you want to

1764
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:05,000
have like a crit build where you're just like getting

1765
01:20:05,039 --> 01:20:07,800
lots of krits. One of the things that I really

1766
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:09,760
got addicted to doing was I got a shrink ray.

1767
01:20:10,079 --> 01:20:12,920
Every time you pull a shrink ray, it shrinks three

1768
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,000
items in the thing. So I was able to grab

1769
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:19,000
like ten fucking swords because they're so small and they

1770
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,479
fit inside your claw. It's quite delightful and playful, and

1771
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,760
especially if you like claw games, I really, I truly

1772
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,000
did like this. It starts easy, but it gets difficult

1773
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:28,640
towards the end.

1774
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 3: It reminds me of like rack Cooin doing a thing

1775
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,760
where it's like in this post Blattro world where it's like, okay,

1776
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,720
what are things that we can like blattroify here, And

1777
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:40,119
it's like, okay, so coin pushers, claw machines, like everything

1778
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:40,880
is ripe for it.

1779
01:20:41,359 --> 01:20:43,279
Speaker 4: I like, literally have another one that's going to come

1780
01:20:43,319 --> 01:20:46,359
up later in this episode that's exactly the same. I

1781
01:20:46,399 --> 01:20:49,840
think this one is better. I think there's a lot

1782
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:54,359
that are trying to do the Rogue Light deck builder style,

1783
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,600
like you said, and not all of them are doing

1784
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,039
it for me. But the Claw game is and silly

1785
01:21:01,119 --> 01:21:06,079
and interesting enough that I am enjoying playing it. I

1786
01:21:06,119 --> 01:21:08,600
find that the poison build is the best for me

1787
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,880
right now. You can also upgrade your items, delete items

1788
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:15,640
in your deck, lots of different types of boss fights

1789
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:19,039
that challenge you in different ways, poison bosses or bosses

1790
01:21:19,039 --> 01:21:24,319
that have little miniature versions of themselves that come after

1791
01:21:24,359 --> 01:21:28,840
you at the end. It's a cute little game that

1792
01:21:29,119 --> 01:21:33,079
I've really enjoyed. I think I've put a decent amount

1793
01:21:33,079 --> 01:21:36,319
of time on this when I was on my trip,

1794
01:21:36,359 --> 01:21:38,560
because I could play this every night, and what I

1795
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,119
found myself doing was before I went to sleep at night,

1796
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,840
I would play one round of Dungeon Caller every night

1797
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,199
before I went to bed. They take like forty five

1798
01:21:47,239 --> 01:21:52,000
minutes to burn through unless you die, and just to

1799
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,880
see if I could get lucky and get through it nice.

1800
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you like it more than something like coin?

1801
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 4: I think that wreck coin might be polished more. When

1802
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,840
it comes to what game I would play more, I'd

1803
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,159
probably play Dungeon Claller more because I would rather play

1804
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:18,439
a claw machine game than a coin pusher. Sure, I

1805
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,880
don't go to coin put If I hit an arcade,

1806
01:22:21,119 --> 01:22:23,800
I r L. I am going to the claw machine.

1807
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:25,239
Speaker 3: Yep, I just.

1808
01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 4: Got this in a claw machine.

1809
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was huge.

1810
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 4: It was too It was like three dollars to play

1811
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:38,079
once and I got I got them very close, and

1812
01:22:38,119 --> 01:22:40,600
then I put another street Bucks in and and got them.

1813
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: Like.

1814
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,319
Speaker 4: I love claw machines, So I don't think everybody feels

1815
01:22:44,399 --> 01:22:47,920
probably that connected to car machines. But there's so much

1816
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,840
fun and you can get fucked over in this game,

1817
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,239
so like you'll maybe you'll see like a bunch of

1818
01:22:52,279 --> 01:22:54,800
really good stuff in your machine, and so you'll be like,

1819
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:59,439
I'm gonna grab six uh swords. But if you get

1820
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:01,720
too greedy, sometimes the claw will try and pick up

1821
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,319
too much and pick up nothing. You have to be

1822
01:23:04,399 --> 01:23:06,840
particular with the claw machine to get what you want.

1823
01:23:07,319 --> 01:23:09,479
There's also chance games that I thought were pretty fun.

1824
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,159
So like there's money. You need money to upgrade your

1825
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:15,439
items or delete items, things like that, and so they'll

1826
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,520
have a machine that has a bunch of items in it,

1827
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,760
like a bunch of coins, but then also spike traps,

1828
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:23,560
and so when you're digging with your claw to get

1829
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,000
all the money, if you get a bunch of spikes,

1830
01:23:25,039 --> 01:23:27,399
you can take like fifty damage. You could like lose

1831
01:23:27,399 --> 01:23:29,760
half your health if you do it incorrectly, which I

1832
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,760
think is kind of cheeky and funny. There's different they

1833
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,960
alter the machine in different ways to kind of mess

1834
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,680
with you. Sometimes, like I said, like they'll fill it

1835
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,399
with water or they'll add a bunch of fluff, which

1836
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:45,880
doesn't help you, and it can fill your claw in

1837
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,720
ways you didn't want, so you can get nothing and

1838
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,520
get absolutely obliterated in an you know, in a turn

1839
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:56,159
if you're not paying attention. So, like I said, it

1840
01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:00,319
starts easy and it gets quite difficult towards the end.

1841
01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:03,279
If you have a bad claw, you're you're done, though,

1842
01:24:03,399 --> 01:24:04,319
you gotta pay attention.

1843
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,520
Speaker 2: Was Rude Dice the game the other game you mentioned,

1844
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,199
because this all also reminds me of Bilatro. They're taking

1845
01:24:11,319 --> 01:24:14,640
this classic format of a game and then just adding

1846
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,479
like roguelike and kind of game breaking elements to it.

1847
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 4: Yep, Rude Dice is the same vibe. Yeah, I called it.

1848
01:24:22,079 --> 01:24:25,960
I said rude Dice.

1849
01:24:24,399 --> 01:24:26,079
Speaker 1: And it was supposed to be rude Dice.

1850
01:24:26,319 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 4: Rude Rude Dice was a typo.

1851
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1852
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 4: We were joking on the break that it's like dice

1853
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,319
that when you roll it, it's like eat shit loser,

1854
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:41,640
just like all right, U une dice, Okay, okay, game

1855
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,760
take it down a notch. Also deck Builder, but you

1856
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:49,920
have dice. You throw a dice, If it meets another

1857
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,880
dice with the same number, then that's an attack. But

1858
01:24:55,039 --> 01:24:58,039
also your dice keeps rolling to hit other dice of

1859
01:24:58,079 --> 01:25:00,840
the of the new number. So I'll give you an example.

1860
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:02,720
You have dice in there that are one, two, three, four.

1861
01:25:03,039 --> 01:25:05,520
Your dice has one. If you throw it and it

1862
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,319
hits a one, your dice is now two, and if

1863
01:25:08,359 --> 01:25:13,119
it finds a two dice as it's bopping around, it

1864
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:15,720
becomes a three dice, and then it becomes a four dice,

1865
01:25:16,079 --> 01:25:18,199
and then you're doing You're doing a one attack, a

1866
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:20,119
two attack, a three attack, and a four attack if

1867
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:23,479
you can get that far. As you build your deck,

1868
01:25:24,039 --> 01:25:27,119
the numbers will now have fancy things on it, like fire.

1869
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,560
So if you hit a three dice that has fire

1870
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,319
on it, now you're doing three damage with a fire attack.

1871
01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:35,960
Same thing with ice or any elemental. There's heel dice

1872
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,680
that you'll need as you get sick. There's poison dice,

1873
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:43,600
of course, and there's ways for you to heal or

1874
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,439
like protect yourself from poison, et cetera. I think that

1875
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,199
this game is also a little rough on the edges.

1876
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:55,560
Some of these feel not as not as fine tuned

1877
01:25:55,880 --> 01:26:02,000
as rack Coin, but they're still enjoyable as a simple mechanic.

1878
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:06,119
And I do love seeing dice explode when you hurl

1879
01:26:06,119 --> 01:26:07,800
a dice into like a giant thing of dice, and

1880
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,600
then you get to you get to watch like a

1881
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,199
bunch of action happen. So I think it's fine for

1882
01:26:12,319 --> 01:26:17,880
like a nice simple game, little action action romp. I've won.

1883
01:26:18,399 --> 01:26:21,319
I find it a little easy. I've I've burned through

1884
01:26:22,359 --> 01:26:26,319
two areas now, whereas a Dungeon Caller took a long

1885
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:28,199
time for me to be able to win that game.

1886
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:32,039
It was it was harder, but nevertheless, I think if

1887
01:26:32,039 --> 01:26:37,000
you're really looking for deck building, rogue lights and you

1888
01:26:37,159 --> 01:26:39,880
like Dice, I think that's kind of a nice caveat there.

1889
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,439
It's an easy game to enjoy and learn and kind

1890
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,079
of burn through overtime.

1891
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,399
Speaker 1: You seem to have a trend going lately with.

1892
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:56,079
Speaker 2: Classic find classic simple games with rug leg elements.

1893
01:26:56,279 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 4: I find these cathartic. These are again, these are I'm

1894
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:02,239
going to play round because the plane is starting to

1895
01:27:02,359 --> 01:27:05,560
land and I have about maybe forty minutes on the

1896
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,399
you know, on this plane left before we get off

1897
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,520
the tarmac. So I'm gonna I'm going to do one

1898
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,520
round and see where it takes me. I don't think

1899
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,640
they're going to be for everybody, but I I do

1900
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:22,479
like the random chance and odds based games. I still

1901
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:26,640
play Rackcoin, and I will play I will gladly play

1902
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,159
Dungeon Caller and run Dice like when I'm bored and

1903
01:27:29,239 --> 01:27:31,479
I just want to do something for about forty minutes.

1904
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:33,119
Speaker 3: I mean it's great just to have like an option

1905
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:35,640
on the Steam deck that's you know, relatively mindless, not

1906
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,439
to be reductive or anything, which like I can just

1907
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:39,479
kind of turn my brain up. It's not a story.

1908
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,159
It's not a thing where it's like, oh god, am

1909
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:43,119
I going to get wrapped into a fifteen minute cut

1910
01:27:43,119 --> 01:27:45,720
scene or dialogue sequence as the plane is landing, Like

1911
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,399
I totally know what you're talking about. Like I love

1912
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:48,079
having those.

1913
01:27:48,239 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: Still playing on planes.

1914
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I play Megabank too. I recommend Megabank for like

1915
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,159
friends who are like I want to play something, but

1916
01:27:56,159 --> 01:27:57,640
I don't want to think too much and I think

1917
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,439
I'm gonna smoke weed tonight, and I'm like.

1918
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,520
Speaker 1: Perfect, I have a game for you.

1919
01:28:02,079 --> 01:28:07,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're gonna like get hopped up on a

1920
01:28:07,119 --> 01:28:10,079
couple of drugs, I recommend megabonk. You don't have to

1921
01:28:10,119 --> 01:28:13,520
do ship in that game. And when you if you again,

1922
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:15,960
like so like going back to Dungeon Caller, like it's

1923
01:28:16,039 --> 01:28:18,039
just you're not going to be upset, You're not going

1924
01:28:18,079 --> 01:28:21,079
to be stressed out, like if the enemy is really

1925
01:28:21,119 --> 01:28:23,720
tough and you die, it's just like, oh, well, now,

1926
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,880
I guess I'll just start again. There's just nothing stressful

1927
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,279
about these games. I've been playing them a lot, and

1928
01:28:30,399 --> 01:28:32,680
I've been enjoying them. I think they are plentiful, but

1929
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,880
good news, I like them well.

1930
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 2: Speaking of planes, Marry, you also said you wanted to

1931
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:43,279
talk briefly because you played a smidgeon of Fortsa on

1932
01:28:43,399 --> 01:28:44,000
steam Deck.

1933
01:28:44,399 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 1: What is that like? Because that is also a game.

1934
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,039
I'm like, I'm playing that on a big screen. If

1935
01:28:49,039 --> 01:28:51,239
I'm playing forts.

1936
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 3: That, I've got a steering wheel and pedals.

1937
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,560
Speaker 2: Is a wall that's like a wall TV, which I

1938
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,159
would also love to play forts A.

1939
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:03,359
Speaker 4: Can you believe that they even have the ability to

1940
01:29:03,399 --> 01:29:06,680
play forts on a steam Deck? I was shocked when

1941
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:08,720
I installed it. I was like, this game is gonna

1942
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:14,880
play like butt and it is functional on a steam Deck.

1943
01:29:15,079 --> 01:29:19,039
You absolutely can play it. I think the graphics, as

1944
01:29:19,079 --> 01:29:22,319
you might expect, will not be very good, the people

1945
01:29:22,359 --> 01:29:26,239
look ridiculous, but you can play it on a steam Deck.

1946
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:30,840
My biggest problem that I've had is that, uh, what's

1947
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:32,880
it called? When like a graphic is really far away?

1948
01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:37,159
The draw the distance the draw distance is not very far.

1949
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:39,800
So every once in a while I'll be like going

1950
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:41,399
one hundred and twenty miles an hour, and then a

1951
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:45,399
car will appear right in and I'll hit it because

1952
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,479
I it wasn't in my purview until I got too

1953
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,359
close to it. But you're going one hundred and twenty

1954
01:29:50,399 --> 01:29:54,279
miles an hour. That's fucking annoying. But the game still

1955
01:29:54,359 --> 01:29:58,640
plays as it should Outside of that. I was able

1956
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:02,600
to play three hours of Fortsa so far, and I

1957
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:06,880
think it's a fantastic car game, especially for people who

1958
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:10,399
are into car enthusiasts. In a Steam deck, I probably

1959
01:30:10,399 --> 01:30:12,880
wouldn't recommend it. I think you should probably play that

1960
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,600
on a TV and enjoy how beautiful it looks and

1961
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:18,680
how it feels on a Steam deck, I felt like

1962
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:22,079
I was playing an iPhone version of this game. I

1963
01:30:22,399 --> 01:30:24,399
will just say, though, I think it's a marvel that

1964
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,159
they could get it to run on a Steam deck.

1965
01:30:26,279 --> 01:30:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely yeah. I mean if you just want to,

1966
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:30,840
like I could see like on a plane, just like

1967
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,079
I'm gonna drive around and just get some you know,

1968
01:30:33,119 --> 01:30:35,399
bonus collectibles and stuff like that. It's not one where

1969
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,640
you're gonna do like the biggest, you know, most climactic

1970
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:39,000
race on the Steam deck.

1971
01:30:39,039 --> 01:30:41,199
Speaker 4: Probably, Please do not play this on a steam deck

1972
01:30:41,279 --> 01:30:43,800
unless you are you are going out of your way

1973
01:30:44,039 --> 01:30:47,560
to try and complete it or something like that. However,

1974
01:30:48,079 --> 01:30:50,439
isn't it amazing that they were able to shove all

1975
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:53,079
those cars in a fucking Steam deck and it runs?

1976
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1977
01:30:54,119 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 1: Have you been playing?

1978
01:30:55,039 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 4: He's crazy?

1979
01:30:57,079 --> 01:31:00,520
Speaker 3: I mean I'm several hours into it, i'd say, but

1980
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,159
like you know, a bunch of other stuff like forts

1981
01:31:02,279 --> 01:31:04,279
is one that's always going to be there. If I'm

1982
01:31:04,319 --> 01:31:06,119
in between games, I will pick it up. I don't

1983
01:31:06,119 --> 01:31:07,960
need to remember, like where was I at in the

1984
01:31:08,039 --> 01:31:10,159
story or what was my objective here? I will pick

1985
01:31:10,199 --> 01:31:13,399
it up. Three months Sortza does not matter, Nope, I'll

1986
01:31:13,399 --> 01:31:15,399
pick it up. I'm just gonna drive, hit some signs,

1987
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:17,039
go to the nearest thing and have fun, you know

1988
01:31:17,119 --> 01:31:19,079
like that that's a year round when I'm in the

1989
01:31:19,119 --> 01:31:19,840
mood type of game.

1990
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 2: You know, I do want to see Japan in this game,

1991
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,520
like what they go with it? Because what five was Mexico,

1992
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,000
four was UK, the UK.

1993
01:31:28,199 --> 01:31:29,119
Speaker 3: There was Australia.

1994
01:31:29,399 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: It was one of them, Australia. Yeah, yeah, what I.

1995
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 4: Want to see it's beautiful and they do like you know,

1996
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,520
you'll you'll drive past Tokyo Tower on one of your

1997
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,159
first road trips, and they kind of call out the

1998
01:31:41,279 --> 01:31:46,239
visual spectacles of what makes Tokyo and these different areas

1999
01:31:46,279 --> 01:31:49,319
so beautiful to drive around in, and you're in like

2000
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,239
gorgeous cars as usual, running around like a little menace.

2001
01:31:53,399 --> 01:31:56,680
So I think it captures the joy of all these games.

2002
01:31:56,680 --> 01:32:01,199
It's probably earned the positive reviews that it's gotten, So

2003
01:32:01,399 --> 01:32:04,000
I'd like to play it on a bigger screen and

2004
01:32:04,039 --> 01:32:07,359
give it a better go and not play it on

2005
01:32:07,399 --> 01:32:09,359
my Steam deck anymore.

2006
01:32:11,239 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 2: Dan am I pronouncing it correctly? Picnico Pictonico Nico.

2007
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 3: It is another Nintendo for a it's Nintendo making a

2008
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:22,680
phone game again. And it's just straight up warrior ware

2009
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:27,119
using your photo album and uh, it's hilarious in the

2010
01:32:27,119 --> 01:32:29,199
way that warriorware is, but it's got the extra wrinkle

2011
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:31,239
of like, well, when it boots up, it's like, okay,

2012
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,079
looking at twenty six thousand of your photos and you

2013
01:32:34,119 --> 01:32:35,800
had to be like, well, who slow down, buddy, and

2014
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,920
like you point it towards maybe an album, and it's like,

2015
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:39,760
how about you just use these here? So I don't

2016
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:43,640
you're not scanning every boarding pass screenshot. I have receipts,

2017
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:47,039
you know whatever, but it's very good at finding ones

2018
01:32:47,079 --> 01:32:50,560
with like faces. And so okay, that warriorware thing pops

2019
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,840
up and it's Mike's face and it says eight, and

2020
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:54,359
it'll be like a kebab and I have to like

2021
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:57,359
grab your jaw and may go and you eat all

2022
01:32:57,359 --> 01:32:59,720
this stuff. Or a picture of Mary pops up and

2023
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:02,760
your eyebrows are pinball flippers and I tap them to

2024
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,239
like try to like hit pinball stuff. So it's just

2025
01:33:05,359 --> 01:33:07,760
although like ludicrous, you know, very fast action of a

2026
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,760
warriorwear with the funny X factor of like, oh what

2027
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:12,359
goofy picture from.

2028
01:33:12,279 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 4: My real pictures?

2029
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, from your phone's photo album. So that's why like

2030
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:16,840
this needs to be a.

2031
01:33:17,159 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 4: Phone capturing your phone data.

2032
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 3: Uh it is. I mean they do a bunch of

2033
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:23,439
stuff of like hey, just heads up, we're not doing

2034
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,520
evil stuff. We're Nintendo. Don't worry about it, you know,

2035
01:33:26,079 --> 01:33:29,159
so hopefully they're not. But I would recommend making like

2036
01:33:29,319 --> 01:33:33,199
a photo album basically and saying hey, like I just

2037
01:33:33,239 --> 01:33:33,880
loaded up here.

2038
01:33:34,119 --> 01:33:36,760
Speaker 4: You can have access to one album, not everything.

2039
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:38,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just loaded it up, and it's like photo

2040
01:33:38,319 --> 01:33:40,760
access is restricted. You should go, you know, allow access

2041
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:42,479
to everything's like, no, that's okay, we'll just do this,

2042
01:33:43,319 --> 01:33:46,439
thank you. Yeah, it's it's very funny though. It's uh,

2043
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,520
I got a lot of charm if you like warriorwere

2044
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:50,880
or like those old like game Boy camera mini games

2045
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:52,840
and stuff where you could take pictures and play around

2046
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:57,199
with them. It's it's fantastic for that. Cool.

2047
01:33:57,279 --> 01:33:59,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, this looks pretty fun. I could see this being

2048
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:00,840
a good party game. People are just hanging out at

2049
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:01,920
the house totally.

2050
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:05,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, but only on the phone. Can you can't

2051
01:34:05,119 --> 01:34:06,880
put it on the TV?

2052
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,199
Speaker 3: No, no, I meant or whatever? You know?

2053
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I guess it's not a party game.

2054
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,279
Speaker 3: Then you can kind of pass it around, like I mean,

2055
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:18,119
one round of it takes you know, a couple of minutes,

2056
01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:19,560
so you could like hand to someone be like hey

2057
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:20,159
check this out.

2058
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:23,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, all right, You guys want to talk

2059
01:34:23,159 --> 01:34:26,279
about emails? Yeah, yeah, okay.

2060
01:34:26,319 --> 01:34:28,279
Speaker 2: As always, you can run into fire Escape cast at

2061
01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:31,079
gmail dot com get questions read on the show. We

2062
01:34:31,159 --> 01:34:32,880
got some regular tonight. I think we have a new

2063
01:34:33,039 --> 01:34:35,920
email er, but that is fire Escape cast at gmail

2064
01:34:36,279 --> 01:34:39,199
dot com. Third and final section of every episode we

2065
01:34:39,239 --> 01:34:41,640
read through these. Uh, Dan, Mary, do you want to

2066
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:42,960
read this first one from Ryan.

2067
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:47,079
Speaker 4: Sure, at what point? Oh wait is there?

2068
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:47,560
Speaker 3: No?

2069
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,079
Speaker 4: Okay, that's how it starts. There was no like hello,

2070
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,079
no fire escapees. It just gets right to it. I

2071
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:55,000
kind of respect that.

2072
01:34:57,039 --> 01:34:57,119
Speaker 2: No.

2073
01:34:57,279 --> 01:35:00,600
Speaker 4: Two just starts with at what point do you throw

2074
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,520
in the towel and look up the solution to a

2075
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:05,680
puzzle or challenge in a video game. I have very

2076
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,560
little tolerance for wasting my time anymore, and I'm always

2077
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,720
amazed to hear how much time you all spend trying

2078
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:14,800
to solve things on your own. Thanks Ryan from Chicago.

2079
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 1: I did put.

2080
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:20,399
Speaker 2: I did select this email before we talked about Mina from.

2081
01:35:20,319 --> 01:35:23,520
Speaker 4: That's so funny. It's a perfect example. It is my

2082
01:35:24,079 --> 01:35:26,439
answer to this. It's not a specific game, but Mina

2083
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,680
is a good example. Is when I say to myself

2084
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:31,720
out loud, I'm not having fun anymore.

2085
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: Yep.

2086
01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:34,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I've seen all these areas. I

2087
01:35:34,399 --> 01:35:35,560
don't know where I'm fucking going.

2088
01:35:36,079 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 4: I'm doing my best. I wish to move on. I

2089
01:35:39,079 --> 01:35:41,920
want to move I want to have progress in a game.

2090
01:35:42,079 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and with that game, like, once you learn what

2091
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:45,720
it is, it's not like you know, I think in

2092
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,159
a game that does this better if you do look

2093
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:50,600
up the solution. Sometimes you'll feel like, oh man, I

2094
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:52,279
rob myself. That would have been fun to figure out

2095
01:35:52,319 --> 01:35:54,399
on my own. I have not felt that with Mina.

2096
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,359
I have felt every time like I'm glad I look

2097
01:35:56,399 --> 01:35:58,119
that up. This would have pissed me off, you know.

2098
01:35:58,399 --> 01:36:02,640
Speaker 2: Barometer like like there's time in like Froumsoft games where

2099
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,439
I especially in elden Ring and what was it. I

2100
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:09,279
think it was Dark Soul's three. There was a couple

2101
01:36:09,359 --> 01:36:12,319
bosses where Dark Soul's Three I reviewed, so I didn't

2102
01:36:12,319 --> 01:36:15,239
have the luxury, but I remember thinking, okay, I'm doing

2103
01:36:15,279 --> 01:36:17,479
my best, and I'm pretty good at these games. I

2104
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,319
feel like there's something I'm missing, and I finally looked

2105
01:36:20,359 --> 01:36:22,359
it up. I'm like, okay, well, I would not have

2106
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,119
ever known that unless I talked to this one NPC

2107
01:36:25,239 --> 01:36:28,520
across the world. But like other times, I've looked it

2108
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,479
up and be like, oh fuck, I just wasn't like

2109
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,840
listening to the game in the right way during this

2110
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:35,239
boss fight, and that's disappointing.

2111
01:36:35,279 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 1: The first one though, I'm like, no, I don't.

2112
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:39,039
Speaker 2: I wish I had the time to do that, but

2113
01:36:39,079 --> 01:36:41,359
there are too many games coming out these days like

2114
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,000
I want to have fun and I want to see

2115
01:36:43,039 --> 01:36:45,880
the entirety of the game, But like there's also times

2116
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,840
like again I would mention earlier during the game segment,

2117
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,760
I was like I was reviewing The Witness. If I

2118
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,680
was to play The Witness today, I would absolutely look

2119
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:58,520
up solutions to some of those mazes, having reviewed that

2120
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:00,680
game and gotten through all of it, but I think

2121
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:04,880
twelve of the panels just brute forcing it. I'm glad

2122
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,640
I did that because I also had that big Eureka

2123
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,279
moment that that game has that some people have finished

2124
01:37:10,279 --> 01:37:11,000
it and not even know.

2125
01:37:11,039 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 3: I never saw it.

2126
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm Drew Scanler. I remember was walking by

2127
01:37:14,319 --> 01:37:15,960
my desk. He's like, what the fuck are you doing?

2128
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,560
I was like, oh, yeah, this is like a whole

2129
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:18,960
thing the game doesn't.

2130
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:21,359
Speaker 1: Really tell you about. But like, I'm glad I did that.

2131
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 2: But I also that was a time when I was

2132
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,399
just literally being paid to focus on one game for

2133
01:37:27,439 --> 01:37:30,119
a while and make sure I could review it adequately.

2134
01:37:30,199 --> 01:37:34,000
But I I also I stopped feeling shame when I

2135
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:34,920
had to look things up.

2136
01:37:35,199 --> 01:37:37,199
Speaker 1: But like I I also am the.

2137
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 2: Like there are still puzzle games or like challenges where

2138
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,760
I'm like I get through it, I'm like, oh, that

2139
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,359
was really really satisfying to get through. Like Dan, I

2140
01:37:46,399 --> 01:37:48,159
was watching a couple of your clips from seki Row

2141
01:37:48,159 --> 01:37:50,680
and that's not the same thing, but like you you

2142
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:52,039
were like, wow, that was incredible.

2143
01:37:52,119 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 3: Well, second, Roard was like two different things where it's

2144
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,119
like I would never want to know how to beat

2145
01:37:56,159 --> 01:37:58,640
a boss necessarily unless I don't know. Most of time,

2146
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:00,319
it's like I'm going to do this in all, learn

2147
01:38:00,359 --> 01:38:02,840
the patterns, and I'll have that moment of satisfaction when

2148
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:04,479
you put it all together. But then it's like there

2149
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:05,840
are parts where it's like I don't know how to

2150
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:09,479
progress the quote unquote story of Securo, And I told

2151
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:11,079
the chat when I was streaming that, like you can

2152
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:13,319
just tell me because like I'm just that's always just

2153
01:38:13,359 --> 01:38:15,239
so annoying to me, where the chat will just be

2154
01:38:15,279 --> 01:38:17,039
like oh yeah, I mean it's yeah, you just gotta

2155
01:38:17,199 --> 01:38:18,760
talk to that dog and put some rice in your

2156
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,199
ass and then you go to the next area. Don't

2157
01:38:21,279 --> 01:38:24,760
know that. Yeah, it's like the frum stuff where it's like, Okay,

2158
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,279
I don't get any satisfaction out.

2159
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:28,039
Speaker 2: Of it, Like it was, it was fun to do.

2160
01:38:28,199 --> 01:38:30,520
Like again, like my favorite game of all time. I

2161
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,960
frequently say, is Majora's Mask if I was to play

2162
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,199
that game. Well, obviously, if I was going to play

2163
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:38,359
that game today, wouldn't be my favorite game because it's

2164
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:42,039
not aged extremely well. But like back when I first

2165
01:38:42,119 --> 01:38:46,760
played that, that was one of like three games that

2166
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,640
whole year that not we all played a lot of games,

2167
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:51,720
but like, there are just too many games these days,

2168
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:53,399
and I want to get to the next thing, and

2169
01:38:53,399 --> 01:38:54,039
I don't mean.

2170
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,039
Speaker 1: To like be fleeting with the current one.

2171
01:38:56,079 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 2: But Majora's Mask like was something I could just ensconce

2172
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:02,840
myself in, and I didn't mind that this Zora on

2173
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,640
the other side of the map gave me a hint

2174
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:08,079
as to what to do in the Decu Swamp. Like

2175
01:39:08,119 --> 01:39:11,279
that made sense to me because I all my focus

2176
01:39:11,359 --> 01:39:13,079
was on this one game world in the universe. But

2177
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:15,800
like nowadays it's like, well, i'd love to dive into

2178
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:18,319
for it's a horizon, which I would hope I don't

2179
01:39:18,359 --> 01:39:20,560
need a strategy guide for unless it's one of the

2180
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:25,800
barn Finds, if they still have those. Like it's it's

2181
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,560
so saturated these days, which is a great thing. Like

2182
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:30,800
there's an embarrassment of riches for us to play. But

2183
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:35,359
it's also I always feel like I could be I

2184
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:37,319
could be seeing more of this game and getting on

2185
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:40,199
to uh mina like in Double seven, if there's a

2186
01:39:40,239 --> 01:39:42,399
thing where I didn't know what to do which didn't happen,

2187
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:45,920
and just using that as hypothetical, it's like, I have

2188
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:49,680
a harder time now just really beating my head against

2189
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:53,279
the wall until I get that AHA moment sometimes so

2190
01:39:53,359 --> 01:39:53,720
they can.

2191
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:57,159
Speaker 4: Be powerful, Like Dan was saying, sometimes there's like the

2192
01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:00,960
aha feels really valuable, and sometimes you're like a fucking idiot,

2193
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,439
and I just wish that the game, like I wish

2194
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:04,960
that I could just look up a guide and know

2195
01:40:05,159 --> 01:40:06,920
so I can stop being mad at myself.

2196
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 1: I have like I.

2197
01:40:08,079 --> 01:40:12,079
Speaker 4: Thought of like another one. When I played wind Waker

2198
01:40:12,319 --> 01:40:16,920
the first time ever, I got pretty lost during a

2199
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:19,880
boss fight and I couldn't figure out why I was

2200
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:21,560
going in the wrong door and I had to redo

2201
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:23,399
the boss fight and I was dying from the boss

2202
01:40:23,399 --> 01:40:25,520
and I finally looked it up and it's I guess,

2203
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,319
the way the sword falls is the door you're supposed

2204
01:40:28,319 --> 01:40:28,680
to go through.

2205
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:30,039
Speaker 3: Oh, I know that.

2206
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:34,359
Speaker 4: It did not click for me. I did not understand

2207
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:36,319
and as soon as I looked it up and they

2208
01:40:36,319 --> 01:40:39,640
were like, go through the door the sword points at

2209
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:41,760
and I was like, you know what, fuck it. I'm

2210
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,199
glad I looked it up. I'm not dealing with this shit.

2211
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:46,600
Tell me what to do. Same thing with the water

2212
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:49,159
temple in Links Awakening.

2213
01:40:49,279 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 3: Is that the one arena?

2214
01:40:51,399 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 4: Whatever, tell me where to go. I'm not dealing with

2215
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,079
all this shit. You gotta put on the heavy boots,

2216
01:40:56,199 --> 01:40:58,880
you gotta find a hidden door. It's like upside down

2217
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:01,319
and under something I would never have thought of that

2218
01:41:01,479 --> 01:41:05,439
I need. I bet it felt really cool for the

2219
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:08,239
nine year old that discovered that on their own. I

2220
01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:09,600
bet that felt like a million.

2221
01:41:09,359 --> 01:41:13,039
Speaker 3: Dollars no dollars, Yeah, yeah, it was.

2222
01:41:13,399 --> 01:41:16,199
Speaker 2: That's what I was interest. That's such an interesting thing.

2223
01:41:16,279 --> 01:41:19,039
It's like, I don't even know how to phrase this.

2224
01:41:19,159 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 3: I do.

2225
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:23,279
Speaker 2: Like again, I say, Majora's Mask and Akarina are my

2226
01:41:23,399 --> 01:41:25,479
number one and two favorite games of all time, But like,

2227
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:29,199
there's some things that have aged so poorly that by

2228
01:41:29,239 --> 01:41:32,920
today's standards, and like God games have gotten so much

2229
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:36,359
better at being intuitive in a way that older games

2230
01:41:36,399 --> 01:41:38,840
were not. You literally just had to be lost and

2231
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:42,159
kind of sometimes accidentally hit a certain patch of wall

2232
01:41:42,199 --> 01:41:45,239
with your sword in order to get through, and then

2233
01:41:45,239 --> 01:41:47,720
it becomes like a word of mouth thing like urban legend,

2234
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:49,399
like that's how you get through and it spreads and

2235
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:52,279
that was really cool and of its time, but now

2236
01:41:52,359 --> 01:41:55,640
I'm just like I unfortunately my patience for that has

2237
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:57,600
worn thin. And to your point, yeah, it's like I

2238
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:01,560
play games ninety five percent of the time to have fun.

2239
01:42:02,079 --> 01:42:03,880
Speaker 1: They can convey other emotions.

2240
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:04,399
Speaker 4: You know, to like them.

2241
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can convey other emotions, but generally speaking and

2242
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:10,479
playing video games to have fun. But I'm not having fun.

2243
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:12,600
I'm like, well, why am I doing this? I'm going

2244
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,640
to google this. Oh that was stupid. But yeah, every

2245
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:17,640
once in a while, to your point, it like it does,

2246
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:21,359
I do kind of have a pang of guilt. I'm like, oh,

2247
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,920
I really didn't meet the developers halfway with that one.

2248
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,600
I really got impatient when I could have probably paid

2249
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:27,840
more attention to what was happening.

2250
01:42:29,039 --> 01:42:33,560
Speaker 4: I thought of one more. Do you guys remember PT? Yeah,

2251
01:42:34,399 --> 01:42:36,800
the playabilities are from could.

2252
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:40,159
Speaker 1: I love that they did that, but yeah, that's the worst.

2253
01:42:40,279 --> 01:42:42,560
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I had to answer the phone three times

2254
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:44,039
and then look at that window four times.

2255
01:42:44,039 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 1: And then answer the phone three more times.

2256
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,520
Speaker 4: I was playing that demo live on game Spot when

2257
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:50,319
it came out, and I think I played it for

2258
01:42:50,399 --> 01:42:54,000
like seven hours because we couldn't figure out how to

2259
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:56,039
get the goddamn phone to ring. And I think you

2260
01:42:56,079 --> 01:42:57,680
had to whisper something into the mic.

2261
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:00,279
Speaker 3: Of your Jiffy or something. Yeah.

2262
01:43:00,279 --> 01:43:03,279
Speaker 4: Fuck that. I we just ended up looking it up.

2263
01:43:03,319 --> 01:43:05,439
But I actually think it was kind of more interesting

2264
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:08,079
and maybe it was his intention for us to look

2265
01:43:08,119 --> 01:43:08,399
it up.

2266
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2267
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:11,239
Speaker 2: I think the word to share on the internet, which

2268
01:43:11,319 --> 01:43:15,159
is like it was a good gorilla marketing kind of thing. Yeah. No,

2269
01:43:15,319 --> 01:43:17,600
I don't know how anybody figured that shit out. I

2270
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:19,199
was a angry person in the world.

2271
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was angry that I couldn't figure it out,

2272
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:23,920
But it ended up becoming a funny moment because we

2273
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:24,760
had to look it up.

2274
01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: Well, thank you Ryan from Chicago.

2275
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:31,600
Speaker 2: Uh, Dan, do you want to read this one from

2276
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:33,600
my old friend Wes from Baltimore?

2277
01:43:34,119 --> 01:43:37,560
Speaker 3: Sure? What's up? Bill crud up? What's a reference you

2278
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:41,239
make that nobody gets? I find myself occasionally quoting Michael

2279
01:43:41,319 --> 01:43:43,359
Keaton from the film The Other Guys, where he says,

2280
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:45,880
I don't even understand the reference. It is an ironic

2281
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,079
quote given this question, but nobody has seen that movie

2282
01:43:48,119 --> 01:43:49,920
and it never gets picked up on. Thanks Chuds Wes

2283
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:52,279
from Baltimore. No, that movie's great. I just watched it

2284
01:43:52,359 --> 01:43:55,479
again fairly recently, and that recurring bit with Michael Keaton

2285
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,640
unintentionally referencing TLC songs is fucking hilarious.

2286
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:00,439
Speaker 1: I did. I just watched it like a week ago.

2287
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:00,640
Speaker 2: Two.

2288
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, don't go chas some waterfalls, guys, come on.

2289
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:06,079
Should be doing this on purpose.

2290
01:44:07,239 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 1: That's really good.

2291
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:11,920
Speaker 3: The ongoing Will Ferrell being married to Eva Mendez and

2292
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:13,840
just keep talking about his ugly, ugly wife.

2293
01:44:14,039 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's just super subservient and he's a dick

2294
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:17,159
to her.

2295
01:44:17,239 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 1: The marcle is like, what the fuck is this movie's good?

2296
01:44:22,319 --> 01:44:26,600
Speaker 2: Ship. I watched it, yeah, like late night a week

2297
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:27,800
ago and it still holds up.

2298
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:31,319
Speaker 3: Really it does. Yeah, I've done too. Whenever there's like

2299
01:44:31,319 --> 01:44:33,640
a super gory thing, I did it today on the

2300
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:37,119
State of Play watch along on Giant Bomb, Like Wolverine

2301
01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:41,199
is just eviscerating, like gore and blood everywhere, and like

2302
01:44:41,279 --> 01:44:47,039
someone call nine one one tug you guys.

2303
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:54,319
Speaker 2: Michael Keaton reminded me that I quote the his first

2304
01:44:54,359 --> 01:44:55,159
Batman movie.

2305
01:44:55,199 --> 01:44:59,159
Speaker 1: Fairly often he when he like.

2306
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 2: His version of Bruce Wayne is so weird, he would

2307
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:05,640
just be, uh, he had to get in a fight

2308
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:07,680
at like a bar, restaurant or something, and I would

2309
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:10,279
routinely say, like you want to get nuts, Let's get nuts,

2310
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:11,920
or like you ever tank with the Devil by the

2311
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,520
pale mood light. Yeah, he just says the weirdest shit,

2312
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,920
Like his Bruce Wayne is weirder than his Batman.

2313
01:45:17,079 --> 01:45:19,079
Speaker 3: They throw some of that into Lego Batman, Like that

2314
01:45:19,199 --> 01:45:20,239
dance to the Devil thing, I think is.

2315
01:45:20,279 --> 01:45:22,199
Speaker 1: Over really Yeah, that's a really good line.

2316
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 2: But I also, like I said this before, when someone

2317
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:31,000
is talking about it's ironic that I do this, But

2318
01:45:31,079 --> 01:45:33,199
like if I if I'm talking to someone who's just

2319
01:45:33,239 --> 01:45:38,079
getting way too waxing poetic about like wine or video

2320
01:45:38,199 --> 01:45:42,039
games or something, and they'll be like, yeah, so this

2321
01:45:42,079 --> 01:45:45,039
game's kind of like an examination of the American sublime,

2322
01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:49,199
and I'll be like, yeah, saw's a toilet from Cool Runnings.

2323
01:45:50,199 --> 01:45:51,720
Speaker 1: There's a there's a scene in Cool Runnings.

2324
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 2: I've talked about this in the show for where he's

2325
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:56,760
like giving a presentation to this crowd and he's like

2326
01:45:57,479 --> 01:46:01,840
Bob flat gentleman, it's a sophisticated and there's this random

2327
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:02,920
extra in the back is like.

2328
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:05,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, so's a toilet, and then they just.

2329
01:46:05,039 --> 01:46:06,560
Speaker 3: Move on with the scene.

2330
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,319
Speaker 2: So anybody, anytime anybody's making way too big of a

2331
01:46:09,359 --> 01:46:11,520
deal out of something that shouldn't be I was like, Yeah,

2332
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:12,399
this is a toilet.

2333
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 4: That's a good one. I like when they're like so obscure.

2334
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:18,039
Most people are like, what are you talking about? I

2335
01:46:18,039 --> 01:46:20,760
think I think this one's maybe a lot of people

2336
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:22,800
know it, but I know that, like my family doesn't

2337
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:28,079
know it. But anytime you find out about something that

2338
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:30,039
it doesn't really matter, I can use it in a

2339
01:46:30,039 --> 01:46:32,439
million different ways. But the line is the whole time,

2340
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:34,760
the whole time, the whole time, the whole time, and

2341
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:38,680
you just say that four different ways. That's from missus doubtfire.

2342
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2343
01:46:40,399 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 4: When Sally Fields finds out that her ex is the

2344
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:51,119
kids uh yeah, babysitter in drag and every the way

2345
01:46:51,119 --> 01:46:52,880
she says it, she's such a good actress. God, I

2346
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,279
love Sally Field's but her being like the whole time,

2347
01:46:55,359 --> 01:46:57,720
the whole time, the whole time, the whole time, I

2348
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:01,079
do that a lot. Nobody really, I think it's rarely

2349
01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:04,399
do people like connect that that is, missus doubtfire, But fuck,

2350
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:07,079
that's good. That in almost every line from The Simpsons

2351
01:47:07,159 --> 01:47:10,319
that I probably ever used a billion times.

2352
01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 3: I feel like all the stars are here. I say

2353
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:15,319
that's so much because it applies to so many fucking things.

2354
01:47:15,319 --> 01:47:17,520
But like most people know, Like I think that most

2355
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:20,600
people that know me know what that's from, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2356
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:22,680
for sure the norm thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, I.

2357
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:25,880
Speaker 1: Literally just quoted the most obscure norm but earlier.

2358
01:47:26,359 --> 01:47:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh dude, Mike, I remember when we were doing

2359
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:30,960
burgle my Bananas and I kept trying to make you

2360
01:47:31,039 --> 01:47:33,439
crack When there's the part of mcgruber when he's like

2361
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,079
pretending to hold Kristen Wig hostage at the Vegas Club

2362
01:47:36,279 --> 01:47:38,680
and he's like, my name is mccruber. Who am I

2363
01:47:39,159 --> 01:47:42,000
you ask? That's what I've been doing the shop And

2364
01:47:42,039 --> 01:47:44,039
I was like, what is this too? I just look directly,

2365
01:47:44,239 --> 01:47:45,000
you ask.

2366
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, just waiting for like waiting it up.

2367
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:51,760
Speaker 3: You just blew our cover.

2368
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:56,680
Speaker 1: It was a huge advantage. He gets on stage and

2369
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,960
just immediately ruins the entire mission.

2370
01:47:59,319 --> 01:48:02,439
Speaker 3: Lady. When later Colonel faces, oh it's okay, he thinks

2371
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:03,039
you're dad.

2372
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:08,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I still like I I knew I loved my

2373
01:48:08,359 --> 01:48:11,319
wife more than like anything in the world. But like

2374
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:13,920
I showed her mcgroober for the first time, and this

2375
01:48:14,039 --> 01:48:16,479
was like six months ago or something, and I have

2376
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:19,000
not heard her laugh as hard as she has laughed

2377
01:48:20,079 --> 01:48:23,000
when they cut to the first sex scene, and I

2378
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:26,359
somehow she laughed even harder when they did the same

2379
01:48:26,399 --> 01:48:29,600
exact bit three minutes later with the ghost.

2380
01:48:29,279 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 3: Of his death.

2381
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 2: That's when he proposed, Mary, you and I we have

2382
01:48:37,079 --> 01:48:40,439
really obscure or rather, what's the word I'm looking for,

2383
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:41,760
like really.

2384
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:44,359
Speaker 4: Super inside gee side like it's b side.

2385
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:47,960
Speaker 2: Quotes from Home Alone that somehow became part of canieval vernacular.

2386
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 1: Like my favorite.

2387
01:48:50,159 --> 01:48:54,239
Speaker 2: Line in Home Alone is when they're chasing Kevin, like

2388
01:48:54,279 --> 01:48:56,399
the gloves are off, They're chasing Kevin through the house.

2389
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:57,920
Speaker 1: He's clearly got this plan.

2390
01:48:58,079 --> 01:49:02,319
Speaker 2: He had a repeat across from the attic to the

2391
01:49:02,439 --> 01:49:05,920
tree house and Marv and Harry were giving chase after

2392
01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:08,199
the whole tarantula scene, and Harry beat the shit out

2393
01:49:08,199 --> 01:49:13,079
of him with a crowbar, and uh, Marv's like, Marv's like, we.

2394
01:49:13,039 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 1: Gotta get after him. He's gonna call the cops. And

2395
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:17,239
then Harry's like but from a tree house.

2396
01:49:19,319 --> 01:49:23,319
Speaker 2: And then on their way, they're like like pulling themselves

2397
01:49:23,359 --> 01:49:25,720
along the rope and they see him with the garden chairs,

2398
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:26,840
like what's up.

2399
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:27,680
Speaker 1: Your horse's ass?

2400
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:30,560
Speaker 2: And they see him not to cut it, and Harry

2401
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:33,000
turns around to go back towards go back, go back.

2402
01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:34,840
Speaker 1: We use that a lot and Residentavi.

2403
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:36,359
Speaker 4: Oh, we do say go back a lot.

2404
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:37,359
Speaker 3: I love that.

2405
01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:37,960
Speaker 1: That's what it's from.

2406
01:49:38,119 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 2: It's because he knows he's about to cut the rope

2407
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:42,600
they're on and they slam into the house.

2408
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:45,279
Speaker 4: So good.

2409
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:46,199
Speaker 1: Those are mine.

2410
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,359
Speaker 4: Those are classics. They're really good. And I like that

2411
01:49:49,359 --> 01:49:52,640
we invented some uh to this day sometimes like I'll

2412
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:55,119
upload a video and some will be like shot gun

2413
01:49:55,119 --> 01:49:58,720
shells in the Morgue and that's like one we invented

2414
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:01,279
because it was like, don't forget shotgun shells in the morgue,

2415
01:50:01,279 --> 01:50:03,199
which we did. I think we did end up forgetting that.

2416
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it started because it like we we had gotten

2417
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:09,159
to a tough part of I think it was Resident

2418
01:50:09,159 --> 01:50:14,520
Evil zero and no, no, no, it was resume will remake

2419
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:19,399
the first one we played, and uh, we had hit

2420
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:21,319
a checkpoint where we just could not get past it.

2421
01:50:21,359 --> 01:50:24,560
But it was several episodes worth, and I kept reminding

2422
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,600
you that there were shotgun shells in the morgue that

2423
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:28,520
you go back to, but you just kept forgetting to

2424
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:29,800
go back, so it became a thing.

2425
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, shotgun shells in the morgue.

2426
01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:38,039
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Wes, thank you, Chud. I will bring

2427
01:50:38,119 --> 01:50:40,560
this one also, Darien from Toronto.

2428
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:43,319
Speaker 4: Wes, he calls you a Chud.

2429
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:45,359
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just calling him one back.

2430
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:47,119
Speaker 4: Oh okay.

2431
01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:54,079
Speaker 2: Darien also emails often, Hey, homies, because you said you

2432
01:50:54,159 --> 01:50:57,640
liked unsolicited recommendations so much, you should watch The Kid Detective,

2433
01:50:58,279 --> 01:51:01,640
a mid budget genre parody that takes a really memorable turn.

2434
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 1: At the end.

2435
01:51:02,319 --> 01:51:04,960
Speaker 2: Do you guys have any movies you like that drastically

2436
01:51:05,079 --> 01:51:07,479
shift tone as they go and do you think something

2437
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:10,399
like that could work for a video game? Cheers Darien

2438
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:15,279
from Toronto. Dan and I both yeah, yeah, you you go.

2439
01:51:16,319 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 3: I got four that came to mind immediately. Full Metal,

2440
01:51:20,079 --> 01:51:20,920
Full Metal Jacket.

2441
01:51:21,079 --> 01:51:21,720
Speaker 1: That's a good one.

2442
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:22,520
Speaker 4: That's a good example.

2443
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 3: That's that's a one and two. There's two movies in there,

2444
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:29,840
basically from Desk till Dawn. Oh, that's a similar situation.

2445
01:51:30,159 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 4: It's way through right, maybe even before that.

2446
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:34,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, both of those movies are I feel like, are

2447
01:51:34,359 --> 01:51:38,000
like two different movies once things change. You know, Barbarian

2448
01:51:38,039 --> 01:51:40,960
which Mary told me about, and Barbarian's got some shifts

2449
01:51:41,239 --> 01:51:43,600
and audition. I don't know if anyone's heard of this.

2450
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:47,279
Speaker 4: It's the Japanese what's your fucking problem recommending that?

2451
01:51:49,279 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 3: The Bak clubs that movie. She was the one who

2452
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:53,119
recommended it to me, and it's like, Oh, that's unbelievably

2453
01:51:53,159 --> 01:51:56,800
fucked up. Yeah, sios, it's a lot.

2454
01:51:57,319 --> 01:52:00,399
Speaker 4: Shtill mourning about audition yet.

2455
01:52:00,279 --> 01:52:03,640
Speaker 3: That one's a lot. Yeah. She she told me just

2456
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:05,239
like we're gonna go in blind on this and I

2457
01:52:05,279 --> 01:52:06,880
watched it. I was like, oh, I see why we

2458
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:07,479
went and blind.

2459
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:11,439
Speaker 4: You have all been warned. That is a tough watch.

2460
01:52:11,800 --> 01:52:12,039
Speaker 3: I do.

2461
01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:15,079
Speaker 4: I think it. I think it fits what you've been

2462
01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:18,680
asked for, so I will allow it, but please please

2463
01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:20,760
don't watch that if you guys are squeamish.

2464
01:52:21,239 --> 01:52:27,399
Speaker 3: It goes it gets pretty extreme by the end. Good yes, God, yes, yes.

2465
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:32,000
Speaker 2: I would say Cabin in the Woods definitely does that

2466
01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:32,560
as well.

2467
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:34,000
Speaker 4: Oh that's a good example.

2468
01:52:35,119 --> 01:52:38,600
Speaker 2: Every single sketch from I Think You Should Leave does

2469
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:42,279
that like halfway through. But Dan, you and I both

2470
01:52:42,279 --> 01:52:44,600
thought of Search Party, And I've talked about this show

2471
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:47,960
several times in the last few episodes, but I haven't

2472
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,039
checked in the last week. There's still no way to

2473
01:52:50,119 --> 01:52:53,720
watch it without getting that annoying, like specifically the HBO

2474
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:57,079
plus Hulu subscription that show.

2475
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:58,920
Speaker 1: The less I say about it, the better.

2476
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 2: But like each time you finish a season, get ready

2477
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:06,720
for quite a different show. And then I would also

2478
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:11,840
probably put.

2479
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:12,079
Speaker 1: Just thinking horror movies now.

2480
01:53:12,119 --> 01:53:16,039
Speaker 2: Get Out has a similar tonal shift, like, oh, yeah,

2481
01:53:16,039 --> 01:53:17,680
this is not what I thought this movie was about

2482
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:20,119
at all, and a man and I watched that again recently.

2483
01:53:20,199 --> 01:53:22,239
Speaker 1: Get Out still so fucking good.

2484
01:53:23,640 --> 01:53:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah I nope as well, but like nope kind of

2485
01:53:28,119 --> 01:53:30,520
builds to it more, whereas get Out is like, oh,

2486
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:32,840
that's what this, that's the horror of the movie. Okay,

2487
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:34,520
I get it. Well, I don't get it, but you

2488
01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:37,119
know what I mean. But yeah, those are mine.

2489
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:40,399
Speaker 4: There's a couple horror movies that fit this pretty good.

2490
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:46,560
Mandy is a good tone shift. I think it starts

2491
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:48,760
kind of sad and it feels like it might be

2492
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:52,000
like an action movie and it just goes out all

2493
01:53:52,079 --> 01:53:59,159
out wacky music based horror. It's hard to describe that one,

2494
01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:01,960
but it's like it's very music oriented for the second half,

2495
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,159
and I think that's a crazy tone shift. And I

2496
01:54:04,159 --> 01:54:08,159
also think The Substance has a crazy tone shift, yes,

2497
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:14,520
for its last act. The majority of that it's surreal,

2498
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:19,319
but you can you're the train is on the tracks

2499
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:21,960
most of this film, and then at the end they

2500
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:25,680
were like, get rid of that, We're just gonna go crazy.

2501
01:54:25,960 --> 01:54:28,079
And I think that's really cool, and it really kind

2502
01:54:28,079 --> 01:54:30,960
of flipped the script on what anyone was expecting. I

2503
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:33,479
think that's a great tone shift towards the end.

2504
01:54:34,079 --> 01:54:37,479
Speaker 2: You mentioning Mandy also reminded me it's not a horror movie,

2505
01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:39,760
but in terms of movies where a ton of people

2506
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:41,680
were recommending it to me and I had no idea

2507
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:43,560
what it would be about. I was like, oh, okay,

2508
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:46,159
I'll watch Pig, which I think is about a guy

2509
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:48,079
whose pig gets kidnapped, which it is.

2510
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:51,039
Speaker 1: Exactly.

2511
01:54:51,079 --> 01:54:52,920
Speaker 4: Think it's gonna be john what it's like.

2512
01:54:53,039 --> 01:54:55,079
Speaker 2: And then like Dan, You're like, Mike, there's one specific

2513
01:54:55,079 --> 01:54:56,960
scene I think you're gonna love, and I'm like, okay, well,

2514
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:59,279
I'll check it out and It's like, oh, I didn't.

2515
01:54:59,319 --> 01:55:01,039
I didn't even know they would ever try to do

2516
01:55:01,079 --> 01:55:06,960
this weird underground service industry chef battle bunker thing. Color

2517
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:08,800
Out of Space did something similar, but I kind of

2518
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:15,039
knew what that was going forwards because it was Lovecraft story.

2519
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:16,720
Speaker 1: Basically anything with Nicholas Cage. Now that I say out.

2520
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:20,399
Speaker 3: Loud, well, face off as the tone will change once

2521
01:55:20,439 --> 01:55:21,600
they take their faces off.

2522
01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:26,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess face off consider it changes the tone.

2523
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:29,159
Speaker 4: I think the tone is the same.

2524
01:55:30,159 --> 01:55:32,119
Speaker 3: Mary. That's the new VHS. I just got at a

2525
01:55:32,159 --> 01:55:33,880
toy fair over the weekend. They got a face off

2526
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:34,319
right there?

2527
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:36,760
Speaker 4: You did? I have face off too?

2528
01:55:37,159 --> 01:55:37,920
Speaker 3: Nice? Nice?

2529
01:55:38,359 --> 01:55:42,439
Speaker 4: We can both watch face off on our selective uh

2530
01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:46,560
VHS players and then maybe play them at the same time.

2531
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:48,079
Speaker 3: That sounds great, Let's do it.

2532
01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:48,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2533
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:51,560
Speaker 4: I love collecting VHS's.

2534
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:53,239
Speaker 3: It's at a bunch of this weekend. I got like

2535
01:55:53,279 --> 01:55:54,319
a bunch of the mask.

2536
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:55,439
Speaker 4: If you can find the.

2537
01:55:55,399 --> 01:55:58,760
Speaker 3: Mask, me have the mask. I can take a look.

2538
01:55:59,239 --> 01:56:02,039
Speaker 4: I want the mass. I found an old run and

2539
01:56:02,119 --> 01:56:05,600
Stimpy that's been pretty fun to play. Yeah, and it's

2540
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:10,479
it's the VHS bright Orange just like Nickelodeon back in

2541
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:10,840
the day.

2542
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:13,760
Speaker 3: You know talking about Oh yeah, I had some of those. Yeah, totally, Yeah,

2543
01:56:13,800 --> 01:56:14,319
it's cool.

2544
01:56:17,479 --> 01:56:23,239
Speaker 2: Oh what was the movie with Lakeith Stanfield?

2545
01:56:25,079 --> 01:56:27,640
Speaker 3: Oh? That definitely has a shift, Yeah for sure.

2546
01:56:29,039 --> 01:56:32,319
Speaker 2: And then, weirdly enough, one of my favorite songs of

2547
01:56:32,359 --> 01:56:32,840
all time.

2548
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:35,159
Speaker 1: Do you guys listen to Dan?

2549
01:56:35,279 --> 01:56:38,039
Speaker 2: I would assume you might be more into Roxy music, Mary,

2550
01:56:38,079 --> 01:56:44,840
maybe you are classic rock, not classic rock, but like.

2551
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:44,479
Speaker 1: Like almost like Talking Heads era.

2552
01:56:45,079 --> 01:56:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a song called Mother of Pearl which

2553
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:51,079
literally completely shifts halfway through. It starts off as this

2554
01:56:52,399 --> 01:56:56,399
more fast driving classic rock ACBC esque song, but then

2555
01:56:56,439 --> 01:56:58,439
it literally hits a piano note and then it shifts

2556
01:56:58,439 --> 01:57:00,279
into a different key, and then it becomes more like

2557
01:57:00,319 --> 01:57:03,279
this like Tom Bowie Ballad, one of my favorite Tom

2558
01:57:03,439 --> 01:57:06,159
songs of all times. You get like five minutes listen

2559
01:57:06,199 --> 01:57:07,760
to Mother of Pearl by Roxy Music.

2560
01:57:08,279 --> 01:57:08,960
Speaker 1: It's incredible.

2561
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 2: I heard it at a bar that I now live

2562
01:57:11,239 --> 01:57:15,000
basically above, so it's got a full circle moment. But yeah,

2563
01:57:15,079 --> 01:57:17,640
Search Party, I really want to rewatch that show, but

2564
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:20,520
they're not making it easy because I don't have the

2565
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:26,680
specific subscription. Plus this one another subscription service, which is

2566
01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:28,760
annoying as hell, because that show deserves.

2567
01:57:28,439 --> 01:57:30,640
Speaker 3: Better it's one of the biggest chasms and how good

2568
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:32,920
the show is and how few people I've ever heard

2569
01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:33,359
mention it.

2570
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's incredible.

2571
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:37,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bonk and I were talking about it today. It's

2572
01:57:37,359 --> 01:57:38,000
so good.

2573
01:57:39,279 --> 01:57:44,239
Speaker 2: Not to be a broken record. But and Or, like

2574
01:57:44,279 --> 01:57:46,880
I mentioned, there's it'll be three episodes and you're like, Okay,

2575
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:48,279
I get the tone they're going for, I get what

2576
01:57:48,279 --> 01:57:49,960
they're doing, and then all of a sudden, they'll do

2577
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:52,439
a time jump and it's three episode chunk, and it's like,

2578
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:55,039
holy fucking shit, it feels like a mini movie in

2579
01:57:55,079 --> 01:57:58,840
three episode form. All of a sudden, they go into

2580
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:02,960
a very very pacific genre in the second or first

2581
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:05,680
season midway through the first season, where I'm like, are

2582
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:08,720
they really gonna do this kind of show for three episodes?

2583
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:11,600
And they do it, and it's absolutely fucking kick ass,

2584
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:15,119
And there's certain conceits to it that feel like a

2585
01:58:15,239 --> 01:58:18,079
video game, almost like in the space they're using.

2586
01:58:18,159 --> 01:58:20,720
Speaker 1: It's I maybe people know what I'm talking about.

2587
01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:23,760
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm being too vague, but like if I name

2588
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:25,560
the planet, people might know what I'm talking about. The

2589
01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:30,720
water planet with the labor. I don't know that's enough

2590
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:32,880
for people hopefully it's enough for people who've seen the show.

2591
01:58:32,920 --> 01:58:36,439
But like, I can't say enough about how that show

2592
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:39,399
just like shifts gears so well, and each of them

2593
01:58:39,479 --> 01:58:40,800
is just incredible, most of them.

2594
01:58:41,239 --> 01:58:46,760
Speaker 4: I will say, Yeah, I love things that shift tone,

2595
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:49,319
and I think maybe it's just like the unexpectedness of

2596
01:58:49,359 --> 01:58:52,800
it that I think makes it so enjoyable to watch.

2597
01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:55,479
But we've seen, you know, there's a lot of movies

2598
01:58:55,479 --> 01:58:57,520
out there, right, So it's like when you can flip

2599
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:00,439
the script and make people second guess why something happening,

2600
01:59:00,680 --> 01:59:05,119
it makes the movie so memorable. And I feel that

2601
01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:07,640
way about television shows as well, when it's just like

2602
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:11,000
you probably thought this was a comedy, but we're about

2603
01:59:11,039 --> 01:59:14,960
to get real serious, real quick. And I like when

2604
01:59:15,319 --> 01:59:17,399
when any media does that.

2605
01:59:18,119 --> 01:59:20,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, it's answered Darien's second part,

2606
01:59:20,439 --> 01:59:22,359
the question do you think a video game could do this?

2607
01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:24,560
Speaker 1: I do think there are some that have.

2608
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:27,079
Speaker 2: I guess Melgar Soliditud sort of did this, but that

2609
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:30,039
was more like how the marketing interacted with it.

2610
01:59:30,119 --> 01:59:31,720
Speaker 3: It does it a couple of times. There's the big

2611
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:33,199
one at the beginning, and then there's a big one

2612
01:59:33,319 --> 01:59:34,319
couplefore the end.

2613
01:59:34,399 --> 01:59:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

2614
01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:40,039
Speaker 4: And until Don is a good Tonal Shift has a.

2615
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:43,960
Speaker 2: Video game, Yeah, until Don near Portal two. Once you

2616
01:59:44,000 --> 01:59:46,520
figure out what's going on with both portal games, you're like,

2617
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:48,039
oh fuck, this is very different.

2618
01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:52,439
Speaker 3: Like I mean, the Uncharted games regularly did a thing

2619
01:59:52,439 --> 01:59:53,720
where it's like it would take a turn for the

2620
01:59:53,720 --> 01:59:55,119
supernatural kind of near the end.

2621
01:59:55,319 --> 01:59:59,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, same with what was the game?

2622
01:59:59,680 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, uh no, I thought I was

2623
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:07,920
gonna say Alan Wake, but that's pretty horror centric the

2624
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:13,359
whole time. Yeah, yeah, no, I think like I actually,

2625
02:00:13,399 --> 02:00:15,600
now that we talk about it, that's a very specific

2626
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:17,960
format that I really enjoy, whether it's in movies or

2627
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:20,760
TV or games like it a lot.

2628
02:00:21,239 --> 02:00:24,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, anytime you can actually pull it off, it's so memorable.

2629
02:00:26,600 --> 02:00:26,920
Speaker 1: All right.

2630
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:31,319
Speaker 2: Well, thank you Darien, Yeah, Chud, Well, thank you everybody

2631
02:00:31,399 --> 02:00:34,199
for writing in. That's far SCA cast at gmail dot com.

2632
02:00:34,279 --> 02:00:36,800
Get your questions on the next episode. This is episode

2633
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:42,119
one thirty four, run one thirty five. Next episode we

2634
02:00:42,119 --> 02:00:46,159
should start talking about, uh episode one fifty maybe one

2635
02:00:46,199 --> 02:00:48,680
do something special that'll be like a few months out

2636
02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:50,239
where we're gonna be busy. Mary.

2637
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:51,159
Speaker 4: Think about it.

2638
02:00:51,479 --> 02:00:54,000
Speaker 2: You're traveling coming up I'm traveling as well, but we

2639
02:00:54,079 --> 02:00:56,640
might have some subs coming up, but will It was

2640
02:00:56,720 --> 02:00:58,600
nice to get all three of us together again.

2641
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:02,960
Speaker 4: Four things get always. Yeah, it's the summer. Is always

2642
02:01:03,319 --> 02:01:06,159
a crazy travel time, but it's worth it, and we'll

2643
02:01:06,399 --> 02:01:09,760
hopefully have some opportunities to see each other as well.

2644
02:01:10,239 --> 02:01:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm my next test two of six next week recording.

2645
02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:16,840
Speaker 4: Do you have the results from your test one?

2646
02:01:17,119 --> 02:01:18,920
Speaker 1: Nope, I'm sitting.

2647
02:01:19,199 --> 02:01:21,640
Speaker 2: I'm not only sitting test two before I get the

2648
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:24,399
results of test one. I'm writing my dissertation before I

2649
02:01:24,399 --> 02:01:28,239
get the results of I think either. I'm pretty sure

2650
02:01:28,239 --> 02:01:32,039
I passed the first one, but you know, we'll see.

2651
02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:36,359
So that's going well be done in like twenty twenty eight. Well,

2652
02:01:36,359 --> 02:01:38,560
thank you everybody for joining Dan. What do you have

2653
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:40,800
going on in the meantime until next episode?

2654
02:01:41,159 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 3: Boy, if you're listening to this episode, there's probably a

2655
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:47,359
whole bunch of summer games. Best watch a longs and

2656
02:01:47,680 --> 02:01:50,920
couch segments. Believe I will be on a couch with

2657
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:55,239
Mary and some guests. I don't want to case anything

2658
02:01:55,479 --> 02:01:57,600
you gets funky with scheduling. I'll say me and Mary

2659
02:01:57,720 --> 02:01:59,600
for sure, and then some other friends will be on

2660
02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:02,279
a couch, so watch those archives. Those night shows are

2661
02:02:02,279 --> 02:02:05,359
always fun when I'm not getting killed with confetti canons.

2662
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:07,520
Speaker 1: Mary, what about you.

2663
02:02:09,159 --> 02:02:09,520
Speaker 2: Same?

2664
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:15,039
Speaker 4: I am excited to do some summer games fest couch stuff,

2665
02:02:15,119 --> 02:02:18,239
and then I will be continuing to stream. I'm going

2666
02:02:18,319 --> 02:02:20,039
to go back to streaming. I'd take two weeks off

2667
02:02:20,079 --> 02:02:21,960
because of work. I was just so busy, but I'll

2668
02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:26,319
be going back to streaming soon, so please join me

2669
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:29,640
for some streams on Monday. I usually play those like

2670
02:02:29,720 --> 02:02:33,399
little indie games there. Oh I finished Forbidden Solitaire too.

2671
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:34,359
Speaker 3: Oh nice?

2672
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:36,920
Speaker 4: You just play more Solitaire and Solitaire?

2673
02:02:36,960 --> 02:02:37,159
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2674
02:02:37,239 --> 02:02:39,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really really have been on a streak of

2675
02:02:39,479 --> 02:02:42,800
like classic games with this modern twist on them.

2676
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:46,840
Speaker 4: The twist on modern or forbidden Solitaire is that you're

2677
02:02:46,840 --> 02:02:49,359
playing against someone, so it's like you're playing Solitaire to

2678
02:02:49,439 --> 02:02:52,439
attack somebody. It's the same. They're all the same, but

2679
02:02:52,479 --> 02:02:54,439
I think that one's pretty good. Mike, what are you

2680
02:02:54,520 --> 02:02:54,760
up to?

2681
02:02:56,399 --> 02:03:00,439
Speaker 2: Uh? Just do my consulting thing during the day, working

2682
02:03:00,479 --> 02:03:03,560
on a lot of cool stuff, some that has come

2683
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:06,600
out since I've joined, some that still hasn't, so that's fun.

2684
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:09,359
Speaker 1: Uh. And then I'm studying a lot for D two.

2685
02:03:09,399 --> 02:03:10,920
And then I we're getting ready to.

2686
02:03:11,439 --> 02:03:14,319
Speaker 2: I just find I fully booked our first trip to

2687
02:03:14,399 --> 02:03:18,319
Italy in October so that I can't wait for that.

2688
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:20,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be uh, it's gonna be fun.

2689
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:24,199
Speaker 2: We're going from Venice to Florence to Rada to Rome

2690
02:03:24,920 --> 02:03:29,159
with some winery visits in between and some little countryside

2691
02:03:29,159 --> 02:03:31,680
stuff in between those, so that'll be good. I'm sure

2692
02:03:31,680 --> 02:03:33,880
I'll have a lot to say come November when I'm back.

2693
02:03:34,399 --> 02:03:35,159
Speaker 1: Looking forward to that.

2694
02:03:36,039 --> 02:03:39,960
Speaker 2: Other than that, not much gonna I still have not

2695
02:03:40,039 --> 02:03:45,000
played Resident Evil Requiem. Oh geez, I've successfully held off

2696
02:03:45,079 --> 02:03:49,359
until we got a remedy that. Yeah, I know, we

2697
02:03:49,439 --> 02:03:52,640
gotta requiem it for sure, because I I really want

2698
02:03:52,640 --> 02:03:53,039
to play it.

2699
02:03:53,039 --> 02:03:54,680
Speaker 1: It's funny here and you guys talk about Dan that

2700
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:55,279
you said.

2701
02:03:55,399 --> 02:03:57,640
Speaker 4: It's a it's a Gody contender, so you have to play.

2702
02:03:58,079 --> 02:04:01,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play it regardless, and like, I hope you

2703
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:04,479
understand how much it pains me to not play at

2704
02:04:04,479 --> 02:04:06,800
any time. I think, oh, I should play Resue Requiem

2705
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:09,159
this weekend, because I've had a few weekends recently where

2706
02:04:09,159 --> 02:04:11,439
I'm like, oh, I'm I can actually play games recently

2707
02:04:11,439 --> 02:04:12,960
because I have a little bit of a lull in

2708
02:04:13,039 --> 02:04:15,560
studying and I've held off on requiem.

2709
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:18,000
Speaker 1: That is a sacrifice for you, Mary, so you should

2710
02:04:18,079 --> 02:04:18,720
be grateful.

2711
02:04:19,239 --> 02:04:21,000
Speaker 4: And the audience we know why.

2712
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:24,000
Speaker 1: Well yeah we'll figure that out what we want to

2713
02:04:24,039 --> 02:04:24,399
do there.

2714
02:04:24,439 --> 02:04:28,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, outside of that, Fire skate Merch is officially

2715
02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:33,920
back up. Fire skatecast dot Com is also I mean

2716
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:35,760
double check those, but they should be good if you

2717
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:37,159
want to get some merch for the summer. We got

2718
02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:40,000
banana hammocks, we got trunks, we got t shirts, we

2719
02:04:40,079 --> 02:04:43,479
got tank tops, we got crop tops. I think we

2720
02:04:43,560 --> 02:04:45,600
got a lot of stuff that could suit you for

2721
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:47,920
the warm weather months if you're in the northern hemisphere here.

2722
02:04:48,239 --> 02:04:51,319
If you're down in Australia or New Zealand, then I

2723
02:04:51,319 --> 02:04:54,000
don't know, get some of the warmer weather sweaters, et cetera.

2724
02:04:55,720 --> 02:04:58,399
Fire skate Cast if you want to get at free episodes,

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02:05:01,880 --> 02:05:04,520
with the show technically, Vinnie and I for the Mike

2727
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:06,640
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02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:09,239
the episodes if you are a video subscriber, and if

2729
02:05:09,239 --> 02:05:11,600
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02:05:12,319 --> 02:05:15,960
incredible guys over there go subscribe there and we'll be

2731
02:05:16,039 --> 02:05:19,319
back in two weeks with episode one thirty five. Thank

2732
02:05:19,359 --> 02:05:20,239
you everybody for joining me.

2733
02:05:20,359 --> 02:05:44,159
Speaker 4: See then bye,