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Speaker 1: Actually I was looking forward to maybe learning something. Chris Davey,
Speaker 1: the spokesperson, was gonna supposed to be in the program
Speaker 1: right now to talk about why you should vote yes
Speaker 1: on Issue one. Not reachable. Just Treker is struggling to
Speaker 1: uh dial him up. Was he supposed to call us?
Speaker 1: Did you call him, Joe? You got his number, just
Speaker 1: didn't answer. Interesting. Yeah, one of the questions. One of
Speaker 1: my listeners and actually a dear friend of mine, John
Speaker 1: Newsom story law enforcement career, said he's a No one
Speaker 1: Issue one regardless.
Speaker 2: But the funding, who's paying for this? Why?
Speaker 1: And you know, and I stare at it, and you know,
Speaker 1: I got red flags flying all over the place on this.
Speaker 2: Well, first off, it is horrifically.
Speaker 1: Complicated to this new commission that's going to be created
Speaker 1: in this this issue one again, this is they say
Speaker 1: this is going to end jerrymandering, but it just moves jerrymandering.
Speaker 1: I guess they call it something else, is like Orwellian
Speaker 1: news speak. But they give the idea of redistricting to
Speaker 1: this so called independent commission and then they do it.
Speaker 2: Here's the process.
Speaker 1: This is it the ballot language, create the polent process
Speaker 1: for appointing commissioners four partisan appointees on the Ohio Ballot Board,
Speaker 1: there'd be two Republicans and two Democrats.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll choose.
Speaker 1: A panel of four partisan retired judges, two affiliated with
Speaker 1: both parties right Republicans and Democrats. Independence. You're going to
Speaker 1: take a slide to sit over in the side for
Speaker 1: a while. So each selects four judges, and those judges
Speaker 1: I guess get honed down as well. They end up
Speaker 1: with a total Provide that the four legislative appointees of
Speaker 1: the Ohio Ballot Board would be responsible for appointing the
Speaker 1: panel members. As follows, Ballot Board legislative appointees affiliated with
Speaker 1: the same major political parties select eight applicants, present those
Speaker 1: to the ballot Board appointees, who would then select two
Speaker 1: persons from the eight, resulting in four panel appointees.
Speaker 2: The panel would then.
Speaker 1: Hire a private professionals search firm to help them choose
Speaker 1: six of the fifteen individuals on the commission.
Speaker 2: Oh it gets worse.
Speaker 1: The panel will then choose those six individuals by initially
Speaker 1: creating a pool of ninety individuals, thirty from the first
Speaker 1: major political party, thirty from the second, meaning Republicans and Democrats,
Speaker 1: and finally the Independent's going to say thirty from neither
Speaker 1: of the first nor the second political parties. Now, I
Speaker 1: guess that could mean communists. I guess that could mean, Oh,
Speaker 1: you got him. Welcome to the program. A little worried
Speaker 1: about you not coming at Chris Davies, spokesperson for the
Speaker 1: S on Issue one. Welcome to the program. It's real
Speaker 1: good to have you on here, because you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm really confused over all this.
Speaker 2: Can you explain?
Speaker 1: I'm going through how these panels in these committees and
Speaker 1: this whittling down process goes, and it's quite perplexing. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you I practiced law for sixteen years.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: And here's where I get self deprecating. I think it
Speaker 1: means nothing. I'm a member of MENSA. I can't figure
Speaker 1: this out very easily. So why would I be voting
Speaker 1: for this? Go ahead? Take the reins here?
Speaker 4: Chris sure, good morning, Thanks for having me on. I'll
Speaker 4: try and help you out. Let me let me keep
Speaker 4: it simple for you. Vote yes on one.
Speaker 2: You're going to have to do more than that.
Speaker 4: Hold on vote vote yes on Issue one to end jerrymandering.
Speaker 4: By putting citizens in charge and getting politicians out of
Speaker 4: the map drawing process. Politicians have drawn jerrymandered maps seven times.
Speaker 2: They were ruled.
Speaker 4: Unconstitutional by the Ohio Supreme Court seven times. We're one
Speaker 4: of the ten most jerrymandered states in the country and
Speaker 4: it causes terrible problems for us. Look at Congress. Okay,
Speaker 4: why once again do we have to be up against
Speaker 4: the fiscal cliff, on the verge of defaulting on the
Speaker 4: United States debt because we send these guys and gals
Speaker 4: of Congress. They can't even do their darn jobs. Look
Speaker 4: at the General Assembly. All they do is fight division discord.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know this was one of it was the most
Speaker 4: unproductive General Assembly in three generations. You have to go
Speaker 4: back to the nineteen fifties to find the General Assembly
Speaker 4: that did as little work as the one we have here.
Speaker 4: Now why because they're all in these Xeriy and Andrew districts,
Speaker 4: they don't have to answer to the voters. I'll get
Speaker 4: to your question in one second. Let me just say
Speaker 4: one more quick thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the landscape screwed up. We can agree
Speaker 1: all day long that the landscape is screwed up. The
Speaker 1: political landscape is is deadlock. We are obviously electing the
Speaker 1: wrong people to higher office, and this is the fault
Speaker 1: of the citizenry for not electing better, more competent people. Agree, agree, agree, agree.
Speaker 1: Columbus is dysfunctional as we can be.
Speaker 4: So how do we look better people with the gerrymttered system.
Speaker 4: Let me just give you one.
Speaker 2: Office in district.
Speaker 4: I'm sitting here in intention a while. Okay, do you
Speaker 4: know how much? Do you know what percentage of the
Speaker 4: voters are independent voters? Like myself?
Speaker 2: They're not.
Speaker 4: I'm not a member of the Republican Party. I'm not
Speaker 4: a member of the Democratic Party, never have been. I'm
Speaker 4: an independent voter. Do you know what percentage of Ohioans
Speaker 4: are independent voters?
Speaker 2: Just give it a guess. Probably about say twenty percent.
Speaker 4: These days, seventy percent of Ohio voters, seventy percentators are
Speaker 4: independent voters.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now where voter?
Speaker 4: Where is the district?
Speaker 1: Wait a second, give me the bibliographic reference to that
Speaker 1: particular figure. I have never seen that figure before, and
Speaker 1: I do this for a living.
Speaker 4: Go to the Secretary of State's office right now while
Speaker 4: we're on the air, and do a search for the
Speaker 4: registered voters in the state of Ohio, and you'll see
Speaker 4: the breakdowns. Democrats, Republicans, they're called unaffiliated, be independent voters.
Speaker 2: Okay, and well I'll do that. While you do that, I'll.
Speaker 4: Tell you, well, I'm an independent. I'm sitting here in Columbus, Ohio. Uh.
Speaker 4: Alison Russo, the Democrat on the redistricting Commission, drew herself
Speaker 4: into a cozy Gerrymander district. She drew me into her
Speaker 4: legislative district. And then when I go to vote, UH
Speaker 4: in March, well to the primary. So I'm an independent,
Speaker 4: there's nothing for me to vote for H. And you
Speaker 4: look on there and it's Alison Russo versus Alison Russo.
Speaker 2: I don't want to let's do Let's say.
Speaker 4: The district we had no opponent in the primary, and
Speaker 4: then this November she has no opponent in November.
Speaker 2: Listen, say.
Speaker 1: Is going to solve the problem? First off, the idea
Speaker 1: of having a divided panel. You have remembers of this
Speaker 1: party members of that party. And then ultimately, when you
Speaker 1: get down to selecting the individuals creating the pool of
Speaker 1: ninety individuals, thirty from Republicans, thirty from the Democrats, and
Speaker 1: third from neither party.
Speaker 2: That would be the independent votes.
Speaker 1: But you just got done saying seventy percent of Ohio's
Speaker 1: Ohioans fall into the latter category, and yet they're not
Speaker 1: equally represented on this panel. And I guess more fundamentally, also,
Speaker 1: how do you figure out whether someone qualifies as being
Speaker 1: in either of the major parties or independent? Don't you
Speaker 1: look at their voting record?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you look at their voting all right.
Speaker 2: How have you voted?
Speaker 1: I don't think, but I mean over the years, if
Speaker 1: there is a pattern where you, as an independent unaffiliated
Speaker 1: person with any party, have regularly voted, say, for the Democrats,
Speaker 1: doesn't that make you not an independence merely because you're
Speaker 1: not in you haven't registered as a Democrat or Republican
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily make you politically neutral. It means you're leaning
Speaker 1: one way or another because you're left with no other
Speaker 1: choices but Republicans or Democrats in the state. So does
Speaker 1: that allow you to be in on the committee? Then?
Speaker 1: Even though let's say hypothetically you voted for Democrats for
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, Yeah.
Speaker 4: It could. It depends on the torutality and circumstances. But
Speaker 4: let me tell you this has worked in other states
Speaker 4: where it's been done, you can find qualified citizens who
Speaker 4: want to step forward and serve the state of Ohio
Speaker 4: and serve on these committees that worked in Michigan, It's
Speaker 4: worked in Colorado, in Arizona, in Missouri. So we're not
Speaker 4: reinventing the wheel here. Citizens. Redistricting commissions work. They result
Speaker 4: in more competitive districts, fare maps, in an open and
Speaker 4: transparent process. And that's what we're going to have when
Speaker 4: Ohioans vote yes on the one the November fifth.
Speaker 1: Well, are you expecting the residents of the state of Ohio,
Speaker 1: who very very often, quite often don't have enough time
Speaker 1: to pay attention to politics generally, first off, read through
Speaker 1: this and understand it and to know that it has,
Speaker 1: in your definition worked elsewhere. I know that's a subjective
Speaker 1: conclusion based upon an advocate for a yes on issue one.
Speaker 1: But how do we know as Ohioans, we can't even
Speaker 1: keep track of what's going on in our backyard that
Speaker 1: it's worked or not. As the case maybe and I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's people out there who make an argument that
Speaker 1: it hasn't worked.
Speaker 4: Well, do your own research, you know, go online, look
Speaker 4: and you'll see there's all kinds of there's all kinds
Speaker 4: of buddies out there that show that this has worked,
Speaker 4: and Ohiolan's are smart, they'll figure it out. We now, look,
Speaker 4: we've been at this for We've been at this for
Speaker 4: over a year now. We've been knocking all these We've
Speaker 4: been in all eighty eight counties. We talked to voters,
Speaker 4: and they do get it when you talk to them
Speaker 4: about ohiolands hate gerrymandering. And when you explain to them that, well,
Speaker 4: we're going to fix it by putting citizens, not politicians,
Speaker 4: in charge of drawing them mops. They go to the match.
Speaker 2: They go, oh, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: That makes a ton of sense. You know, Ronald Reagan
Speaker 4: was a proponent of citizens redistricting commissions.
Speaker 2: And yeah, then you know what.
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about hypotheticals under Reagan. I
Speaker 1: won't know what language he was looking at. I'm staring
Speaker 1: at something that prevents a commission member from being removed
Speaker 1: except by the vote of the Vellow Commission members, even
Speaker 1: for incapacity, willful neglect due to your grossman's conduct, followed
Speaker 1: by a prohibition for anybody out here in the voting
Speaker 1: public from filing a lawsuit challenging the redistricting plans.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 1: As a litigation attorney, I know that there's value in
Speaker 1: taking things to court. Obviously that's what was the impetus
Speaker 1: behind this, because so many court battles have been fought
Speaker 1: and admittedly lost for jerrymandering. But I want the ability
Speaker 1: to go into court and argue that this too is
Speaker 1: something that is unlawful, you know, illegal, improperly done.
Speaker 2: But this deprives me of that, right.
Speaker 4: Well, no it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Well I just read one.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what language you're reading, but under
Speaker 4: issue one, you can take these maps to court. This
Speaker 4: is there is a provision for challenging the maps in court.
Speaker 2: All right, and let's leave. Let's leave on this.
Speaker 1: And because this is another red flag for most of
Speaker 1: my conservative listening audience, and I'll acknowledge they mostly are,
Speaker 1: even though I describe myself as a little libertarian speaking
Speaker 1: of political neutrality, that it's backed by almost exclusively left
Speaker 1: wing organizations. Unions are all all behind this. The funding
Speaker 1: has come largely from out of state by some very
Speaker 1: left leaning, well known figures, a lot of dark money
Speaker 1: from out of state. This gives my listeners a lot
Speaker 1: of trouble and concern. So, even though maybe well intentioned,
Speaker 1: how is it that the political landscape has lined up
Speaker 1: where the Democrats are the ones largely supporting this and
Speaker 1: the Republicans are largely against it.
Speaker 4: Well, look, people are tired of this red blue us
Speaker 4: versus them, jets versus the sharks. Let's make everything be
Speaker 4: a fight to the death between these two opposing sides
Speaker 4: that you can never get along. That's not what this
Speaker 4: is about. There are elements that want to make that
Speaker 4: what this is about, but it's not what Issue one
Speaker 4: is about. Issue one is about returning power to the
Speaker 4: citizens of Ohio and having citizens, not politicians, draw the
Speaker 4: legislative map so that we can finally end jerrymandering. Now,
Speaker 4: our support comes from all across the political spectrum, and
Speaker 4: we've received small dollar donations from people in all eighty
Speaker 4: eight counties. Yes, we've received money from out of state.
Speaker 4: That's a common thing that you'll see in campaigns for
Speaker 4: elective officers. You think Bernie Moreno has receive money from
Speaker 4: out of state?
Speaker 1: You don't think that this is question is not about Bernie.
Speaker 1: This isn't about Bernie Murphy. Now, all right, well we're
Speaker 1: out of time anyway, went way long and don't have
Speaker 1: any more time in the hour, so use it up
Speaker 1: with you. Appreciate you joining the program, all right, but yes,
Speaker 1: issuele fuddled followed by vote no on an issue one
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