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<v Speaker 1>Time now for the nine first one forecast. Sunny skies

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<v Speaker 3>KR see the talk station.

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<v Speaker 4>Or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven forty year fifty five care the CEE the talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I was looking forward to maybe learning something. Chris Davey,

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<v Speaker 1>the spokesperson, was gonna supposed to be in the program

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<v Speaker 1>right now to talk about why you should vote yes

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<v Speaker 1>on Issue one. Not reachable. Just Treker is struggling to

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<v Speaker 1>uh dial him up. Was he supposed to call us?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you call him, Joe? You got his number, just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't answer. Interesting. Yeah, one of the questions. One of

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<v Speaker 1>my listeners and actually a dear friend of mine, John

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<v Speaker 1>Newsom story law enforcement career, said he's a No one

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<v Speaker 1>Issue one regardless.

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<v Speaker 2>But the funding, who's paying for this? Why?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, and I stare at it, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I got red flags flying all over the place on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first off, it is horrifically.

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<v Speaker 1>Complicated to this new commission that's going to be created

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<v Speaker 1>in this this issue one again, this is they say

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<v Speaker 1>this is going to end jerrymandering, but it just moves jerrymandering.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess they call it something else, is like Orwellian

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<v Speaker 1>news speak. But they give the idea of redistricting to

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<v Speaker 1>this so called independent commission and then they do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the process.

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<v Speaker 1>This is it the ballot language, create the polent process

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<v Speaker 1>for appointing commissioners four partisan appointees on the Ohio Ballot Board,

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<v Speaker 1>there'd be two Republicans and two Democrats.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we'll choose.

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<v Speaker 1>A panel of four partisan retired judges, two affiliated with

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<v Speaker 1>both parties right Republicans and Democrats. Independence. You're going to

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<v Speaker 1>take a slide to sit over in the side for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. So each selects four judges, and those judges

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<v Speaker 1>I guess get honed down as well. They end up

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<v Speaker 1>with a total Provide that the four legislative appointees of

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<v Speaker 1>the Ohio Ballot Board would be responsible for appointing the

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<v Speaker 1>panel members. As follows, Ballot Board legislative appointees affiliated with

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<v Speaker 1>the same major political parties select eight applicants, present those

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<v Speaker 1>to the ballot Board appointees, who would then select two

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<v Speaker 1>persons from the eight, resulting in four panel appointees.

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<v Speaker 2>The panel would then.

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<v Speaker 1>Hire a private professionals search firm to help them choose

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<v Speaker 1>six of the fifteen individuals on the commission.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it gets worse.

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<v Speaker 1>The panel will then choose those six individuals by initially

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<v Speaker 1>creating a pool of ninety individuals, thirty from the first

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<v Speaker 1>major political party, thirty from the second, meaning Republicans and Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>and finally the Independent's going to say thirty from neither

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<v Speaker 1>of the first nor the second political parties. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that could mean communists. I guess that could mean, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you got him. Welcome to the program. A little worried

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<v Speaker 1>about you not coming at Chris Davies, spokesperson for the

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<v Speaker 1>S on Issue one. Welcome to the program. It's real

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<v Speaker 1>good to have you on here, because you know, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really confused over all this.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you explain?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going through how these panels in these committees and

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<v Speaker 1>this whittling down process goes, and it's quite perplexing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you I practiced law for sixteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>I am.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's where I get self deprecating. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>means nothing. I'm a member of MENSA. I can't figure

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<v Speaker 1>this out very easily. So why would I be voting

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<v Speaker 1>for this? Go ahead? Take the reins here?

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<v Speaker 4>Chris sure, good morning, Thanks for having me on. I'll

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<v Speaker 4>try and help you out. Let me let me keep

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<v Speaker 4>it simple for you. Vote yes on one.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to have to do more than that.

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<v Speaker 4>Hold on vote vote yes on Issue one to end jerrymandering.

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<v Speaker 4>By putting citizens in charge and getting politicians out of

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<v Speaker 4>the map drawing process. Politicians have drawn jerrymandered maps seven times.

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<v Speaker 2>They were ruled.

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<v Speaker 4>Unconstitutional by the Ohio Supreme Court seven times. We're one

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<v Speaker 4>of the ten most jerrymandered states in the country and

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<v Speaker 4>it causes terrible problems for us. Look at Congress. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>why once again do we have to be up against

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<v Speaker 4>the fiscal cliff, on the verge of defaulting on the

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<v Speaker 4>United States debt because we send these guys and gals

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<v Speaker 4>of Congress. They can't even do their darn jobs. Look

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<v Speaker 4>at the General Assembly. All they do is fight division discord.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>You know this was one of it was the most

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<v Speaker 4>unproductive General Assembly in three generations. You have to go

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<v Speaker 4>back to the nineteen fifties to find the General Assembly

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<v Speaker 4>that did as little work as the one we have here.

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<v Speaker 4>Now why because they're all in these Xeriy and Andrew districts,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't have to answer to the voters. I'll get

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<v Speaker 4>to your question in one second. Let me just say

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<v Speaker 4>one more quick thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean the landscape screwed up. We can agree

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<v Speaker 1>all day long that the landscape is screwed up. The

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<v Speaker 1>political landscape is is deadlock. We are obviously electing the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong people to higher office, and this is the fault

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<v Speaker 1>of the citizenry for not electing better, more competent people. Agree, agree, agree, agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Columbus is dysfunctional as we can be.

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<v Speaker 4>So how do we look better people with the gerrymttered system.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me just give you one.

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<v Speaker 2>Office in district.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sitting here in intention a while. Okay, do you

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<v Speaker 4>know how much? Do you know what percentage of the

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<v Speaker 4>voters are independent voters? Like myself?

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<v Speaker 2>They're not.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a member of the Republican Party. I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>a member of the Democratic Party, never have been. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>an independent voter. Do you know what percentage of Ohioans

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<v Speaker 4>are independent voters?

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<v Speaker 2>Just give it a guess. Probably about say twenty percent.

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<v Speaker 4>These days, seventy percent of Ohio voters, seventy percentators are

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<v Speaker 4>independent voters.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now where voter?

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<v Speaker 4>Where is the district?

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a second, give me the bibliographic reference to that

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<v Speaker 1>particular figure. I have never seen that figure before, and

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<v Speaker 1>I do this for a living.

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<v Speaker 4>Go to the Secretary of State's office right now while

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<v Speaker 4>we're on the air, and do a search for the

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<v Speaker 4>registered voters in the state of Ohio, and you'll see

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<v Speaker 4>the breakdowns. Democrats, Republicans, they're called unaffiliated, be independent voters.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and well I'll do that. While you do that, I'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell you, well, I'm an independent. I'm sitting here in Columbus, Ohio. Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Alison Russo, the Democrat on the redistricting Commission, drew herself

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<v Speaker 4>into a cozy Gerrymander district. She drew me into her

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<v Speaker 4>legislative district. And then when I go to vote, UH

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<v Speaker 4>in March, well to the primary. So I'm an independent,

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<v Speaker 4>there's nothing for me to vote for H. And you

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<v Speaker 4>look on there and it's Alison Russo versus Alison Russo.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to let's do Let's say.

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<v Speaker 4>The district we had no opponent in the primary, and

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<v Speaker 4>then this November she has no opponent in November.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, say.

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<v Speaker 1>Is going to solve the problem? First off, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of having a divided panel. You have remembers of this

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<v Speaker 1>party members of that party. And then ultimately, when you

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<v Speaker 1>get down to selecting the individuals creating the pool of

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<v Speaker 1>ninety individuals, thirty from Republicans, thirty from the Democrats, and

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<v Speaker 1>third from neither party.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be the independent votes.

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<v Speaker 1>But you just got done saying seventy percent of Ohio's

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<v Speaker 1>Ohioans fall into the latter category, and yet they're not

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<v Speaker 1>equally represented on this panel. And I guess more fundamentally, also,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you figure out whether someone qualifies as being

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<v Speaker 1>in either of the major parties or independent? Don't you

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<v Speaker 1>look at their voting record?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you look at their voting all right.

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<v Speaker 2>How have you voted?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think, but I mean over the years, if

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<v Speaker 1>there is a pattern where you, as an independent unaffiliated

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<v Speaker 1>person with any party, have regularly voted, say, for the Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't that make you not an independence merely because you're

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<v Speaker 1>not in you haven't registered as a Democrat or Republican

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily make you politically neutral. It means you're leaning

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<v Speaker 1>one way or another because you're left with no other

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<v Speaker 1>choices but Republicans or Democrats in the state. So does

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<v Speaker 1>that allow you to be in on the committee? Then?

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<v Speaker 1>Even though let's say hypothetically you voted for Democrats for

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<v Speaker 1>the last twenty years, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It could. It depends on the torutality and circumstances. But

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<v Speaker 4>let me tell you this has worked in other states

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<v Speaker 4>where it's been done, you can find qualified citizens who

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<v Speaker 4>want to step forward and serve the state of Ohio

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<v Speaker 4>and serve on these committees that worked in Michigan, It's

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<v Speaker 4>worked in Colorado, in Arizona, in Missouri. So we're not

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<v Speaker 4>reinventing the wheel here. Citizens. Redistricting commissions work. They result

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<v Speaker 4>in more competitive districts, fare maps, in an open and

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<v Speaker 4>transparent process. And that's what we're going to have when

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<v Speaker 4>Ohioans vote yes on the one the November fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, are you expecting the residents of the state of Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>who very very often, quite often don't have enough time

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<v Speaker 1>to pay attention to politics generally, first off, read through

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<v Speaker 1>this and understand it and to know that it has,

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<v Speaker 1>in your definition worked elsewhere. I know that's a subjective

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion based upon an advocate for a yes on issue one.

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<v Speaker 1>But how do we know as Ohioans, we can't even

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<v Speaker 1>keep track of what's going on in our backyard that

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<v Speaker 1>it's worked or not. As the case maybe and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure there's people out there who make an argument that

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<v Speaker 1>it hasn't worked.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, do your own research, you know, go online, look

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<v Speaker 4>and you'll see there's all kinds of there's all kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of buddies out there that show that this has worked,

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<v Speaker 4>and Ohiolan's are smart, they'll figure it out. We now, look,

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<v Speaker 4>we've been at this for We've been at this for

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<v Speaker 4>over a year now. We've been knocking all these We've

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<v Speaker 4>been in all eighty eight counties. We talked to voters,

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<v Speaker 4>and they do get it when you talk to them

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<v Speaker 4>about ohiolands hate gerrymandering. And when you explain to them that, well,

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to fix it by putting citizens, not politicians,

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<v Speaker 4>in charge of drawing them mops. They go to the match.

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<v Speaker 2>They go, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 4>That makes a ton of sense. You know, Ronald Reagan

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<v Speaker 4>was a proponent of citizens redistricting commissions.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, then you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to talk about hypotheticals under Reagan. I

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<v Speaker 1>won't know what language he was looking at. I'm staring

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<v Speaker 1>at something that prevents a commission member from being removed

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<v Speaker 1>except by the vote of the Vellow Commission members, even

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<v Speaker 1>for incapacity, willful neglect due to your grossman's conduct, followed

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<v Speaker 1>by a prohibition for anybody out here in the voting

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<v Speaker 1>public from filing a lawsuit challenging the redistricting plans.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen.

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<v Speaker 1>As a litigation attorney, I know that there's value in

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<v Speaker 1>taking things to court. Obviously that's what was the impetus

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<v Speaker 1>behind this, because so many court battles have been fought

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<v Speaker 1>and admittedly lost for jerrymandering. But I want the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to go into court and argue that this too is

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<v Speaker 1>something that is unlawful, you know, illegal, improperly done.

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<v Speaker 2>But this deprives me of that, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, no it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I just read one.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I don't know what language you're reading, but under

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<v Speaker 4>issue one, you can take these maps to court. This

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<v Speaker 4>is there is a provision for challenging the maps in court.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, and let's leave. Let's leave on this.

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<v Speaker 1>And because this is another red flag for most of

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<v Speaker 1>my conservative listening audience, and I'll acknowledge they mostly are,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I describe myself as a little libertarian speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of political neutrality, that it's backed by almost exclusively left

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<v Speaker 1>wing organizations. Unions are all all behind this. The funding

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<v Speaker 1>has come largely from out of state by some very

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<v Speaker 1>left leaning, well known figures, a lot of dark money

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<v Speaker 1>from out of state. This gives my listeners a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of trouble and concern. So, even though maybe well intentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>how is it that the political landscape has lined up

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<v Speaker 1>where the Democrats are the ones largely supporting this and

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans are largely against it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, look, people are tired of this red blue us

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<v Speaker 4>versus them, jets versus the sharks. Let's make everything be

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<v Speaker 4>a fight to the death between these two opposing sides

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<v Speaker 4>that you can never get along. That's not what this

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<v Speaker 4>is about. There are elements that want to make that

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<v Speaker 4>what this is about, but it's not what Issue one

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<v Speaker 4>is about. Issue one is about returning power to the

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<v Speaker 4>citizens of Ohio and having citizens, not politicians, draw the

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<v Speaker 4>legislative map so that we can finally end jerrymandering. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>our support comes from all across the political spectrum, and

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<v Speaker 4>we've received small dollar donations from people in all eighty

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<v Speaker 4>eight counties. Yes, we've received money from out of state.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a common thing that you'll see in campaigns for

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<v Speaker 4>elective officers. You think Bernie Moreno has receive money from

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<v Speaker 4>out of state?

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<v Speaker 1>You don't think that this is question is not about Bernie.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't about Bernie Murphy. Now, all right, well we're

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<v Speaker 1>out of time anyway, went way long and don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any more time in the hour, so use it up

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<v Speaker 1>with you. Appreciate you joining the program, all right, but yes,

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<v Speaker 1>issuele fuddled followed by vote no on an issue one

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<v Speaker 1>for me. There's my recommendation. You go ahead and choose wisely.

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