Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
In this episode, we're going to pick up where we
left off with the Johanna Schoberg deposition. So let's get
right back to it, shall we. McCauley, did you ever
hear or observe Jeffrey talking on the phone about Frederick Fokai? Answer? Yes,
manager objection leading McCauley. What did you hear? Answer? I
heard him call someone and say, for Kai is in Hawaii,
can we find some girls for him? McCauley. And what
was your reaction to that? Answer? Well, I was massaging
and I didn't have a reaction. I tried to remain
reaction lists the whole five years. McCauley. Did Jeffrey ever
take you shopping? Answer? Yes, McCauley. Can you describe for
me what happened? Answer? Sure, he took me to Victoria's Secret,
Of course he did. I believe he picked out everything
and went into the room with me, the fitting room,
which was very odd. McCauley. Did he make any comments
about being in the fitting room with you? Answer? He
joked that one time he was in there with another
girl and she said something like dad. But that's all,
I recall, McCauley, did Jeffrey ever talk to you? Let
me back up a moment. Have you ever been propositioned
by anyone to have a baby for someone? Answer yes, McCauley.
And who propositioned you, McCauley, Jeffrey asked me. McCauley. Did
he ask you more than once? Answer yes, McCauley. And
what did he say? Answer? Basically just said I want
you to be the mother of my baby. McCauley. And
do you recall your response to that answer? I don't
believe that. I said flat out no. I didn't agree
to it. I wouldn't just say oh yeah, really okay, McCauley.
Did you ever bring other girls over? As Maxwell requested?
Manager objection leading hearsay form Joanna one time, McCauley. Let
me back up for a minute, just to make it
a clean question. Did you ever bring friends over to massage? Jeffrey?
Answer no, McCauley. And why did you not bring friends
over to massage? Jeffrey answer? I was living in secret
about what I was doing during the massages, and I
did not want my friends to be to know what
I was doing, so I did not want anyone else
coming into that, McCauley, was Bill Clinton a friend of
Jeffrey Epstein's manager? Objection foundation McCauley, let me back up.
Do you know if Bill Clinton was a friend of
Jeffrey Epstein? Answer? I knew he had dealings with Bill Clinton.
I did not know that there were friends until I
read the Vanity Fair article about them going to Africa together. McCauley,
did Jeffrey ever talk to you about Bill Clinton? Answer?
He said one time that Clinton likes them young, referring
to girls. McCauley, did you ever do you recall ever
taking a trip to Jeffrey Epstein's home in New Mexico?
Answer yes, McCauley. And do you recall who went with
you on that trip? Answer? Sarah Kellen was there, Glene
was there. That's all I recall. McCauley. Do you recall
where you went or why you went on the trip
to New Mexico? Answer to work McCauley. Did you perform
massages on that trip? Answer yes, McCauley. Did you do
you recall whether you perform massages with Sarah Kellen on
that trip? Answer no, McCauley. Do you recall in the
New Mexico home ever observing nude photos of females there?
Answer I don't recall. McCauley. When you would provide massages,
would you provide those massages naked? Answer on occasion McCauley
on average? Would you be naked if it was one
hundred percent of the time more than fifty percent of
the time? Or what answer? Can you repeat it? McCauley, sure,
when you're performing the massages, can you tell me you
said on occasion? Over the five years that you worked
for him, how often did you perform massages naked? Answer
somewhere between twenty five and fifty percent of the time. McCauley.
Did Epstein try to make the massage a sexual? Answer
on occasion? McCauley. Would Epstein have you rub his nipples?
Answer yes, McCauley. Would he masturbate during the massage? Answer yes, McCauley.
Did he use sex toys or vibrators on you? Answer yes, McCauley.
Would he leave the sex toys or vibrators out after
the massage or would he clean up after himself? Manager
objection vague form answer he did not ever clean up. McCauley.
Do you believe that your experience during the years you
were with Jeffrey and Maxwell damage you manager objection leading
and form answer it affected me. Damaged is a strong word, McCauley.
And in what way did it affect you? Answer? It
affected future relationships with men, trust issues, expectation issues. McCauley.
Did you observe Nadia Marsenkova and Glean at the house
at the same time? Manager objection leading in form answer,
I don't recall McCauley. On the USVII trip, the second
trip that you took, do you recall Nadia Marsenkova being present? Answer?
I believe she was present on that trip. McCauley. Do
you recall Maxwell being present on that trip? Answer yes, McCauley.
Do you know an individual by the name of redacted?
Answer yes, McCauley. And who is redacted? Answer? She was
one of the girls that was around McCauley, was redacted
around both Jeffrey Epstein and Glen Maxwell. Answer, I don't recall, McCauley.
Do you recall when you first met redacted? Answer in
Palm Beach McCauley at Jeffrey Epstein's home. Answer yes, McCauley.
And what do you recall any observations about redacted when
you met her? Answer to speak with she was a
little rough around the edges, and I could see the
progression of her being groomed a little. They got her braces.
She had terrible posture, and with a lot of massages,
she learned to stand up straight. So I just saw
her become a much more confident person. McCauley, do you
recall how old she was when you first met her? Answer?
I assumed she was eighteen, but I don't know her age. McCauley.
We're going to take a break really quick and then
we'll be back. So we are going to go off
the record, and after a ten minute break, they're back. McCauley,
I'm just going to resume. I have a few more
questions for you. You mentioned visiting the US Virgin Islands.
Do you recall doing any activities with Maxwell when you
were on the visit to the USVII manager objection vague
as the time the witness I don't recall, McCauley. Do
you ever recall going hiking with her? Answer? Yes, McCauley.
Did Maxwell ever ask you to try to bring other
girls over for Jeffrey? Answer? At that time McCauley. Yes.
Answer no, McCauley, any other time? Answer well, she had
asked me if I knew anyone that could perform massages
that would come to the house McCauley. And what was
your understanding of that request? Manager objection? Answer well manager
form witness. I just wondered why they wouldn't just call me. McCauley.
And did you bring anybody else over to that house
to perform massage? Answer I did not, McCauley. When you
were either in the USVII or in Palm Beach, did
you ever observe any females either topless or naked by
the pool? Answer yes, McCauley. What did you observe? Answer
and mostly skinny dipping. McCauley. Do you know who the
individuals were that you observed? Answer Sarah Kellen and Golaine McCauley,
anybody else? Answer yes, but I don't recall who McCauley.
Did that happen on more than one occasion? Answer yes, McCauley.
How often do you remember making those observations? Answer three times. McCauley.
Do you recall giving a statement to the police regarding
Jeffrey Epstein Answer yes, McCauley. Do you recall when you
gave that statement? Answer? I don't recall the date. McCauley.
Do you recall the year? Answer I want to say
it was early two thousand and six or late two
thousand and five. McCauley. Do you recall who you met with?
Answer no. McCauley. Do you recall what you told police? Answer?
It was similar to this. They were asking me a
lot of questions that I answered. They knew a lot,
They knew what the bathroom looked like, they knew what
the couch had a hot pink throw on it with
green tassels. I assumed that there had been videos and
they'd seen me they had seen the videos. That's what
I had assumed. I didn't know that maybe people had
already come forward and had given them statements and just
to interject the videos again, another person on the inside
talking about videos. Yet we have not seen one single video.
Question is where are these videos? McCauley. Did they ever
talk to you at all about the videos? Answer? They said,
were you aware that there were video cameras in the house?
I said no, but it would not surprise me. Ms. McCauley,
and I'm going to mark exhibit four. Do you have
an extra? Sorry? Did you get one? Okay, Robert zero
zero two through eighty nine, and I'm going to direct
you to page zero zero zero seventy six and I'm
going to hand it to you. The refer to document
was marked by the court reporter for identification as Schoberg
Exhibit four. McCauley, I'm just going to ask you to
take a look at that. As you can see here
under the narrative line there there is a name. It
says reported by Racary, Joseph. Is that a name you
recall meeting with a detective? Detective Racary? Answer? Yes, I
mean I don't recall his name, only except that he
had been following me around and left me cards like
on my car and in my door. I tried to
avoid him for a long time. McCauley. And can you
just look at the text underneath there? Answer? Uh huh, McCauley.
Take a moment to look at that. Answer Okay, sure, McCauley.
Does that refresh your record election as to what you
told the police during the investigation? Answer? There are mistakes
in here. I was not twenty three when I met him.
I was twenty one. McCauley, anything else that doesn't look correct,
answer the same error that I had met him three
years ago, and it obviously had been closer to five.
There is also the error he obviously misunderstood me. He
did not pay for my tuition at college. I'm still
paying those school loans. But he did pay for me
to go to massage school and cosmetology school. Okay, it
pretty much ends here McCauley, yes, right about halfway through
the page. Answer Okay, miss McCauley. So, Johannah, that concludes
my initial peace. I'm going to reserve the rest of
my time for redirect. I'm going to turn it over
to Laura manager. Who is Laura? Can we just take
a little break. McCauley's sure, no problem. The videographer off
the record at ten oh five, so that looks like
the perfect place for us to take a break as well.
And then when we pick back up, we'll get to
the cross examination by Hi Laura Meninger. All of the
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