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<v Speaker 1>Our next guest is definitely dangerous. He's definitely honest. The

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<v Speaker 1>question is does he know what he wants? He is

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Smith, He's live in the studio for the next hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Smithy dangerous, honest. I know that about you. But do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what you want?

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<v Speaker 2>These these are all major questions that people have been

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<v Speaker 2>asking about me for most of my life. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is nothing new.

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<v Speaker 3>Where are we at today?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Hey, by the way, like I thought, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought my so called intro song was wash where the

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<v Speaker 2>streets have no name. And then I hear bill Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Riley gets it, and then I hear, well, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what we used to use or whatever. And so obviously

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<v Speaker 2>Porter just elbows me right to the side, into the

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<v Speaker 2>gutter and he goes with something else, and and I

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<v Speaker 2>got you know, I see, I see what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Porter, you want to stand up for yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out of I'm out of town for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks, and all of a sudden, it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>bing bang boom.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he gets the context, but I'll let

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<v Speaker 3>you go first.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, I mean a man wants his walk up song.

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<v Speaker 4>He wants his walk up song.

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<v Speaker 1>That was That was the intro to Bill's show for

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<v Speaker 1>like twelve years.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, if you want, we got one more

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<v Speaker 1>segment with you. We can bring a little streets out

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<v Speaker 1>no name if you want. But my question remains still

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<v Speaker 1>on this day. Do you know what you want? We

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<v Speaker 1>know you're honest, we know you're dangerous, but do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what you want?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? I always know what I want, Spencer. Right now,

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<v Speaker 2>what I want I want to be able to spend

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<v Speaker 2>a good solid hour getting educated by you all things

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<v Speaker 2>ute basketball, ute football, b y U basketball, jazz. I

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<v Speaker 2>know you have all the answers for the jazz. You

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<v Speaker 2>know that's what we've been waiting for all year long.

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<v Speaker 3>Matty, you're the one that educates. I just asked the questions.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is If this is the premise, then we're

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you well, I'll tell you what you're

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<v Speaker 1>uniquely qualified to talk about the UH and we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>mostly college hoops here and I don't know, maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do some jazz. Alex Jensen, it is official. Since you

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<v Speaker 1>and I last spoke last Monday, we were up at

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<v Speaker 1>the Huntsman Center doing the show, which was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun. You worked with Alex Jensen closely with the

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<v Speaker 1>Utah Jazz for a number of years, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>discussed this. But now that the news is official, Smitty,

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<v Speaker 1>what should YOUT fans know about the seventeenth head coach

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<v Speaker 1>in Utah men's basketball history.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, well, Alex is is obviously everybody. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the one of the key things I think right right

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<v Speaker 2>off the bat, Bence, is that for just for Utah fans,

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<v Speaker 2>is that there's no getting acquainted period. There's no like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>who's this guy, what's he about? What's what? What is

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<v Speaker 2>this going to look like? Everybody in this community. Everybody

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<v Speaker 2>who's a Utah fan knows Alex Jensen, knows who he is,

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<v Speaker 2>knows what he's about. Uh, they know his lineage, they

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<v Speaker 2>know his background, they know all the experience he's had

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<v Speaker 2>as both a player collegiately and professionally overseas and then

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<v Speaker 2>in his coaching career, and so so none of that

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<v Speaker 2>is is is they get to know me, period. So

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<v Speaker 2>so everybody's hitting the ground running in that regard. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he knows what he's doing. It's just you know, again,

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<v Speaker 2>It's just going to be a question for the uthse

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, how long it takes them on the

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<v Speaker 2>recruiting trail to start getting guys that can compete, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the big twelve level and be able to go to

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<v Speaker 2>war night in the night out. And I'll tell you what,

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<v Speaker 2>they got two great people working with him right off

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<v Speaker 2>the bat in Raphael Chilias and Wes Wilcox. Those are

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<v Speaker 2>two guys I know, and two guys who are really

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<v Speaker 2>big gets for Alex. And so I'm excited for them

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<v Speaker 2>because that is a good start to building a great

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<v Speaker 2>foundation in terms of your staff and your program.

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<v Speaker 1>See this is good because I don't think there's anybody

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<v Speaker 1>else in the market that knows Raphael Chilias and Wes Wilcox.

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly don't. I know Wes's pedigree more than I

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<v Speaker 1>know Coach chills pedigree. But let's start with Raphael Chilius,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the first assistant that Alex has hired, and

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<v Speaker 1>when you read through his background, he's done a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different jobs at a lot of different levels, high school, college,

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<v Speaker 1>and pro very well known in circles that you run in.

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<v Speaker 1>So what should you fans know about this new assistant coach.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's uh, he's first and foremost. He's a top

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<v Speaker 2>flight recruiter. And he's a guy who knows all the grassroots.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows all the AAU people, he knows all the

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<v Speaker 2>guys around the country, West Coast, East Coast, in the South.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows how to get into into homes, into with

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<v Speaker 2>with agents now that that that are working a lot

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<v Speaker 2>for these high school kids and even the portal kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, he's a guy who knows the landscape.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows all the levels. Spence, you're talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>prep level, which is you know for people around here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm familiar with that and it's a big thing in

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<v Speaker 2>the East Coast. But the prep level is the high

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<v Speaker 2>school level. So you talk about the top of kids

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<v Speaker 2>who want you know, Donovan Mitchell was a prep prep

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<v Speaker 2>school kid, you know, from from New England. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>all these these this level. He knows those guys. He

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<v Speaker 2>knows everybody in college. He was a great recruiter Lorenzo

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<v Speaker 2>Romar in two different stints when he was at the

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<v Speaker 2>University of Washington and had it rolling up there for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, and and of course he's been working in

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<v Speaker 2>the n b A and in a couple of different

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<v Speaker 2>stints with player development. So he's got the full scope

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<v Speaker 2>of the landscape of what you need to do and

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<v Speaker 2>who you need to get in with. So now he's

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who can can get into doors, can get

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<v Speaker 2>the ear of some kids, some agents, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>from there, you know what the what's the U offering,

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<v Speaker 2>what's their program, what's what's it gonna look like? Or

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<v Speaker 2>how's Alex gonna coach him? All that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But Chill will be a great a great resource for

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<v Speaker 2>him in that regard. UH. And then Wes Wilcox, of

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<v Speaker 2>course is uh, you know, is a proven veteran NBA

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<v Speaker 2>guy who's worked his way up, you know, from a

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<v Speaker 2>college and intern you know, to a video coordinator, through

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<v Speaker 2>being an assistant coach on the staff, to being to

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<v Speaker 2>being in the front office with player uh play a

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<v Speaker 2>personnel UH and being a GM in Atlanta and now

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<v Speaker 2>assistant gym and in Sacramento. So they've got they've got

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<v Speaker 2>two main guys in key positions who are top flight

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<v Speaker 2>guys that you would want when you're trying to retool

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<v Speaker 2>in a situation like that, you is, so I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure that you could have a better start to assembling

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<v Speaker 2>a staff than getting guys like uh coach Chill and

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<v Speaker 2>like Wes Wilcox.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, Porter, I've decided something. I need a

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<v Speaker 1>cool nickname like everybody has. We just had bill On Ryles.

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<v Speaker 1>We got Smitty coach Chill ll cool Tray ll cool

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<v Speaker 1>Tray maybe the coolest nickname? Do you have a cool nickname?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think I need a cooler nickname than than

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<v Speaker 1>what I have. I don't really all right, we need

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<v Speaker 1>to work on that. You and I Coach Chill, Smitty Ryles.

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<v Speaker 1>My grandpa did nickname me Doobie.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was young. He called me Spencer Dooby.

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<v Speaker 4>See that That's where we had our issue is the

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<v Speaker 4>because that's literally what my family has called me since

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<v Speaker 4>I was a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, so Porter and I have the same nickname,

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<v Speaker 1>but but Doobey has double meanings. My grandfather certainly had

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<v Speaker 1>no context for what dooby meant.

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<v Speaker 3>When I got into high school, my brother DearS.

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<v Speaker 4>Did so my my family called my dad. No one

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<v Speaker 4>knew his real name. It was Doobie because when he

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<v Speaker 4>was a baby he was wrapped up in a little

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<v Speaker 4>thing and his his aunt, who they loved, called him,

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<v Speaker 4>made him said he looked like a little Doobey because

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<v Speaker 4>was Doobie forever.

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<v Speaker 1>I still, Smitty, you knew my mother's father, my grandfather.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way he knew what Adobie was. I can

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<v Speaker 1>promise you that I have no idea why he decided

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<v Speaker 1>to call me Spencer Dooby. And then I get into

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<v Speaker 1>high school, I'm like, you want me to smoke a

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<v Speaker 1>what what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>So Smitty, we need to work on this. I need

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<v Speaker 3>a cooler nickname than what Hey.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you guys could could easily go around with

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<v Speaker 2>matching t shirts that say doob one and Dooby two,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think I think that's something that you guys

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<v Speaker 2>could roll with.

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<v Speaker 3>But we could be sued because the Doobie brothers might

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<v Speaker 3>take issue.

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<v Speaker 2>Spell it. You spell it differently. You know you spell

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<v Speaker 2>it do o B? Why you spell it do o B?

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<v Speaker 2>I so you're an idea, Yeah, yeah, you do some

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<v Speaker 2>trick thing with it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me, but let me ask you about coach

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<v Speaker 1>Chill's personality, because you know, Alex is a little reserved

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<v Speaker 1>and he's a little more introverted.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not a bad thing. I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>is a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So when it comes to kind of that yin and

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<v Speaker 1>the yang, is he the type of person that's a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more front facing than Alex tends to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and and and and uh, coach Chill is is.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh he's a great gregarious person. He's an outgoing guy. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how you get to be able to be sustained

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<v Speaker 2>in this business, if that's what your niche is, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>being able to get into into homes relative to recruiting,

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<v Speaker 2>being able to make get relationships and sustain them with agents,

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<v Speaker 2>with coaches, you know, in the grassroots level. Uh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what he's been able to do. You know, for a

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<v Speaker 2>long long time. He's well known, he's he is the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of guy who will be outgoing more so than Alex.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll be a kind of guy who, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>on the bench, you know, and Alex is more of

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<v Speaker 2>a subtle, you know, quiet leader, and and Chill will

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<v Speaker 2>be the kind of guy who's you know, uh, ranting

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<v Speaker 2>and raving on the sideline, yelling at the kids or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And Alex may just be there pointing to a spot

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<v Speaker 2>or two or say, you know, get over here whatever

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, in the heat of the battle,

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak. But uh, he'll serve as a great counterbalance,

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<v Speaker 2>uh to Alex in that regard, you know, which is

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's planned, if that if that

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<v Speaker 2>just happens to be, you know, part of the makeup.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. I think I think coach Chill's uh track

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<v Speaker 2>record and resume, you know, is what really got him

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the his foot in the door in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of being considered for a job like this and

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<v Speaker 2>and in the conference like the Big Twelve where you

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<v Speaker 2>have to go against you know, a lot of heavyweights

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<v Speaker 3>It's really good to know. It's really good context.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the guy that knows a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Coach Wait has Shreef Shaw, who's more

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<v Speaker 2>in the early days where now there are literally six

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<v Speaker 1>So let's move over to Wes Wilcox now. And when

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<v Speaker 3>Leg Wes has been a GM. He ran the Hawks, he.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I understand, very analytically driven, and Mark actually

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<v Speaker 3>Report to Alex Now.

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<v Speaker 1>In the NBA, the coach reports to the general manager,

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<v Speaker 1>at least historically speaking, UH coach with Bleckin is the

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<v Speaker 2>person for the whole program. So he's gonna he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to hire a person to serve in the GM role,

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<v Speaker 2>the GM role, you know, maybe you know in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 2>they're kind of reversing that. They're having the head coaches

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<v Speaker 2>the main guy, the GM reports to him, and then

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<v Speaker 2>And so this won't be an unusual setup if that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they're what they're doing, because most of the college

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<v Speaker 2>nom miss misperception about who's who's reporting to the athletic

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<v Speaker 2>director or who's reporting to you know, the main booster

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<v Speaker 2>group or whatever it is. UH, the general manager is

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<v Speaker 2>organized heads up, the people who are doing the recruiting

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<v Speaker 2>heads up, the overseas, the n I l UH stuff

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever it's going to be, the revenue sharing stuff

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<v Speaker 2>going forward, however that falls out through the NCAA. UH,

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to be like the guy who keeps everything

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<v Speaker 2>organized so that the head coach can spend a good chunk,

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<v Speaker 2>not all and maybe not even majority sometimes, but a

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<v Speaker 2>to get their players better, to be more competitive on

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<v Speaker 2>the floor, and to leave the so called day to

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<v Speaker 2>day business stuff to the guy who's the GM. And

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<v Speaker 2>so Wes Wilcox is perfectly situated for that great resume,

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<v Speaker 2>a great experience, really UH, an organized guy and and

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<v Speaker 2>will be really good for Alex. And again those guys

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<v Speaker 2>know each other. Alex reported to Wes when they were

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<v Speaker 2>almost twenty years ago now and then uh, and now

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<v Speaker 2>office for the people who work there. How they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>all their their stuff on a day to day basis, recruiting, nil,

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<v Speaker 2>their what their skill sets are, and what they can do. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the bottom line, spets. You gotta get horses. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So so that's what it's gonna be. All these guys

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<v Speaker 2>the great lesson I learned way way way back when

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<v Speaker 2>ever since. Spencers. Yeah, we can do all this other

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<v Speaker 2>stuff behind the scenes, and we can dance around, and

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<v Speaker 2>we can spend money, and we can have seventeen coaches

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<v Speaker 2>Kareem on the floor, and if that's what we have,

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<v Speaker 2>then we're gonna be okay. And I was the recipient

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<v Speaker 2>how that went. Everybody was and that's why everybody looked

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<v Speaker 2>good and whatever it was they did because John and

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen eighty eight was I think probably my first real

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<v Speaker 1>that was so fun and that was kind of like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Jazz aren't not some little team out

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<v Speaker 3>Like the Jazz actually are building something.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt like that was a And then was it

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<v Speaker 2>the fame, the famous sweep you know, was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but but yeah, eighty eight was really the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>then now even more so in my mind was the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and uh and then you know, hey, during

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<v Speaker 2>going and whack them forth straight up, you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>this other stuff, well, we'll obviously play major roles in

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<v Speaker 1>was at the You and So I sat down with Scott.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my first questions was, and I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna say Larry. Thought he was gonna say Larry Miller.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, who is the most important person in the

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<v Speaker 1>jazz organization? Scott didn't hesitate, says, there's two. It's John

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<v Speaker 1>and Carl in the whole organization, including I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna say ownership, and he said, John and Carl.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know there the most popular people, uh

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<v Speaker 2>during the so called heyday was hot Rod and the Bear.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the two most popular, uh in the organization,

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<v Speaker 2>Uh with the fans and then but the most important

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're you know Scott's exactly right, is is because

431
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<v Speaker 2>when you have players and they're driving, winning and you

432
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<v Speaker 2>can do that, that's that's what trickles down to everything

433
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<v Speaker 2>else in the organization. That's that's where it comes from.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why you know the current iteration of the jazz

436
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<v Speaker 2>where they're trying to you know, get some traction and

437
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<v Speaker 2>and uh really you know, slipping and sliding so far

438
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<v Speaker 2>you know in this uh, this new approach that that

439
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<v Speaker 2>they've chosen to take. It's surprising that they chose to

440
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<v Speaker 2>get rid of players who were main guys who were

441
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<v Speaker 2>in their prime, you know, and under contract, you know,

442
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<v Speaker 2>for whatever the reasons were, and to let them go

443
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<v Speaker 2>because because those things are hard to find as they're

444
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<v Speaker 2>as they're they're finding out and there in the middle

445
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<v Speaker 2>of and when you have those you try and hold

446
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<v Speaker 2>on to them as long as you can to make

447
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<v Speaker 2>sure that you can you can sustain success and have

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else do what they do to the best of

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<v Speaker 2>their ability.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what year it was, but some at

451
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<v Speaker 1>some point in the nineties, when Riley had gone in

452
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<v Speaker 1>Miami and Jeff took over for Pat in New York

453
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<v Speaker 1>Van Gutt he was the head coach of the Knicks

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<v Speaker 1>in New York. It was after a game and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember if they played the Bulls. It may have

456
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<v Speaker 1>been the game where Jordan came back and dropped fifty

457
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<v Speaker 1>five of the garden the double nickel, the famous game,

458
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<v Speaker 1>and Jeff was getting ready to address the media and

459
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<v Speaker 1>Phil Jackson had just released a book.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they called it. I think it was Sacred.

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<v Speaker 1>Hoops, that's right. And Frank I saw last Jeff. He said, Jeff,

462
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<v Speaker 1>have you read Phil's new book? I may have told

463
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<v Speaker 1>you this. And Jeff said, oh, I actually I have

464
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<v Speaker 1>a copy of her right here. And he took a

465
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<v Speaker 1>blank piece I think it was a statue, turned it

466
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<v Speaker 1>over and he wrote number twenty three on it and

467
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<v Speaker 1>handed it to Frank I sola because obviously Phil wrote

468
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<v Speaker 1>Sacred Hoops after a great run coaching somebody named Michael George.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. And Phil Jackson a very smart guy and

470
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<v Speaker 2>a good basketball guy. But what was even smarter at

471
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<v Speaker 2>He knew that he had to run in the nineties

472
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<v Speaker 2>with the Bulls, had a couple of years off, and

473
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<v Speaker 2>then he had other opportunities, and then he looked around

474
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<v Speaker 2>and go, maybe I'll go coach the Lakers. They got

475
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<v Speaker 2>Shaq and Kobe, right, Yeah, maybe I'll do that. Yeah,

476
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<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, I mean that's the smart park, because

477
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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you got him in place, then you

478
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<v Speaker 2>just you know, you do a little dressing around the

479
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<v Speaker 2>edges and then you let those guys go to work.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Smith forty years in the NBA with Utah Jazz

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<v Speaker 1>is Liveman Studio on a beautiful Thursday.

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<v Speaker 3>Mischiet Bonnie this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, I'm sorry about that, man. How'd

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<v Speaker 2>you do?

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<v Speaker 3>Forty one to thirty nine?

486
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<v Speaker 2>Did you real?

487
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<v Speaker 3>Eight?

488
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<v Speaker 2>Really?

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't make any puts? I don't know why

490
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<v Speaker 1>I was. My ball striking was both surprising and very pleasing. Really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I played well wow with no puts, Smitty, I gotta

492
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<v Speaker 1>start making puts.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get out soon, huh?

494
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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>one Bottom of the Eighth more with Smitty coming up next.

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<v Speaker 3>Right here on ESPN seven hundred, Richard Smith.

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<v Speaker 1>Live in studio, We've hit our YouTube quota for the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I will not knock on Porter for giving the people

517
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<v Speaker 1>what they want.

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<v Speaker 3>Little streets have no name with Ryles. Have you seen

519
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<v Speaker 3>you two in person?

520
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<v Speaker 2>And live in persons?

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<v Speaker 3>And Bill?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah and Bill.

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<v Speaker 3>They put on quite a show.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great, terrific. Yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>We got the madness of March resumes in one hour

526
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<v Speaker 1>from now as Brigham Young will take on Alabama and

527
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<v Speaker 1>the Sweet sixteen. We've got four If you're a college

528
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<v Speaker 1>basketball fan, I cannot wait to go home and just

529
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<v Speaker 1>I will marinate on.

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<v Speaker 3>The couch tonight for hours.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got all of them recorded, because if you've been

532
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<v Speaker 1>paying attention between commercial breaks and video reviews, oh my gosh, man,

533
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<v Speaker 1>can we please play basketball?

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<v Speaker 2>This is this is this is what's driving and spends

535
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<v Speaker 2>this whole thing, the whole thing. I think if you

536
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<v Speaker 2>really go taking a thirty five thousand foot view of

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing, it's really kind of funny, like you

538
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<v Speaker 2>know how much money they pull in and how much

539
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<v Speaker 2>they market all this and and you know what used

540
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<v Speaker 2>to be amateur sports, right, it's is a whole different thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And and it doesn't it doesn't matter. All that stuff's

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<v Speaker 2>out the window.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but spitty, like I'm a grown up.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they're making money, play your ads, but the reviews, Like, dude,

545
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<v Speaker 1>we can all see what is going on. We do

546
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<v Speaker 1>not need a ten minute stoppage to decide whether or

547
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<v Speaker 1>not the ball went off the player.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it's always it's always that that that that

549
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<v Speaker 2>stuff in this sport and also in football, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the NFL. It just it drives me crazy when

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<v Speaker 2>they you know, I don't know, I always think you know,

552
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what they did in the old days.

553
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<v Speaker 2>The old days. Uh spence, Spence check its was the line, judge.

554
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<v Speaker 2>You just said it was this or that, and you

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<v Speaker 2>went on like, well, you know, everybody's got a way in.

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<v Speaker 2>They scrutinized. Of course they're afraid if they're wrong that,

557
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<v Speaker 2>you know, millions of people are going to get on

558
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<v Speaker 2>them because they saw the tape and everything. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's awful.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we get to the games tonight, you were

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<v Speaker 1>good enough to remind me during the break commutual friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Of ours and the man who was the original.

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<v Speaker 1>Jazz Bear and the jazz Bear for two decades plus,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean more than twenty years and just a sweet guy.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is John Absey. We got some bad news

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<v Speaker 1>about John, and we're all here to support him.

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<v Speaker 3>So smody.

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<v Speaker 1>For our listeners that are not familiar with the news

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<v Speaker 1>that came down over the past week or so, why

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<v Speaker 1>don't you fill us in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, John Abssey, the longtime bear for the Utah Jazz,

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<v Speaker 2>has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer stage three. Talked with

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<v Speaker 2>him last night. I asked him if if he was

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<v Speaker 2>okay with me, just mentioning it on the air today,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, of course, his goal is more to

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<v Speaker 2>educate the public and to try and help people who

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<v Speaker 2>might find themselves in similar health situations, who feel, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when they get a shot to the to the gut

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<v Speaker 2>like this, and and all of a sudden it comes

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<v Speaker 2>out of the out of left field, Adam that that

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<v Speaker 2>you not only get staggered, but you also sometimes your

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<v Speaker 2>head is spinning about, Okay, how do I handle this?

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<v Speaker 2>How do I uh systematically go about getting the proper care,

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<v Speaker 2>getting my insurance stuff lined up, making sure I can

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<v Speaker 2>try and and and deal with whatever my health issue is.

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<v Speaker 2>And and and John really wanted to just get the

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<v Speaker 2>word out that, you know, while he fights his own

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<v Speaker 2>individual battle, that that he's trying to put together information

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<v Speaker 2>that will help other people who get, you know, similar

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<v Speaker 2>type diagnoses during their lives to maybe have a starting

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<v Speaker 2>point of of a how to how to start looking

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<v Speaker 2>for care, how to start doing this thing that that

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<v Speaker 2>might that might help them. So he's, he said, along

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<v Speaker 2>his journey that's still in front of him, he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be trying to put together a guide book of

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<v Speaker 2>sorts or a blue book, so to speak, to try

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<v Speaker 2>and help people. You know, these are the steps you

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<v Speaker 2>should be taking. This is the stuff you should do,

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<v Speaker 2>you know when if in one you or some loved

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<v Speaker 2>ones find yourself in this kind of a situation, to

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<v Speaker 2>try and help you be more organized. Because I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you, Spence, nobody has done more in this community,

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<v Speaker 2>not only in their job, which was his job with

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<v Speaker 2>the Jazz for over two decades in that regard in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of charitable efforts, but John did so much stuff

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the Jazz on his own, for groups, for kids,

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<v Speaker 2>for disadvantage people that I can't even tell you, you know

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<v Speaker 2>how many people you'll really owe a debt to him,

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<v Speaker 2>just in terms of how he has lived his life

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<v Speaker 2>to this point in service of others. And it's you

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<v Speaker 2>know he wants, uh. He's not putting all this stuff

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<v Speaker 2>out there, uh, to to get people to be feel

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<v Speaker 2>sorry for him. He's trying to put it out there

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<v Speaker 2>to get people to to rally around others and to

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<v Speaker 2>help other people, you know, find their way through whatever

616
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<v Speaker 2>their challenges are, to help them to to get to

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<v Speaker 2>get better, to get the kind of care and support

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<v Speaker 2>that they need, and whatever their their individual challenges are.

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<v Speaker 2>So so we we love John, and and we hope

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<v Speaker 2>the best for he and and Sean and their girls

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<v Speaker 2>and and in this fight, and we're with him one.

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<v Speaker 1>So John Absey, the original Jazz Bear, is fighting pancreatic cancer. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's the diagnosis. There is a go fund me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would just encourage you to google John Abssey,

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<v Speaker 1>which is spelled j O N then A B S E.

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<v Speaker 1>Why you can include go fundme and your Google search

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<v Speaker 1>and the link will come up. These types of things,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the cruel reality is they cost a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money, and even if you have insurance, oftentimes it

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<v Speaker 1>only covers a portion of it. I will not give

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<v Speaker 1>you a commentary on my take on the social you know,

632
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>situation regarding medical care in America and how many I

633
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>think it's twenty million plus Americans per year go bankrupt

634
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>as a result of the inability to pay for medical care,

635
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>which is pathetic in a lot of ways.

636
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:32.160
<v Speaker 3>But let's just leave that there because we won't get political.

637
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:36.079
<v Speaker 1>But John Apsey, original Jazz Bar, fighting pincreatic cancer. If

638
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 1>you're able to donate to the go fundme, they are

639
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.960
<v Speaker 1>trying to raise money to help John fight this this

640
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>horrible disease. So there you go, Smitty. I appreciate that reminder.

641
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:46.279
<v Speaker 1>I was going to bring that up, but I'm glad

642
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:48.759
<v Speaker 1>you brought it up. And to your point, the sweetest

643
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:51.720
<v Speaker 1>guy around, you know, and for so many years nobody

644
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>knew who the jazz bear was, right because you weren't

645
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>supposed to. And then you know, now we know that

646
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>it was John who I thought among if not the

647
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>best mascot. And I'm dead serious, I'm not just saying that.

648
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've been some of you, how many NBA arenas,

649
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>probably all of them. When John was doing the John

650
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:09.559
<v Speaker 1>stuff at the top of his game. I don't know

651
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>that there was anybody better.

652
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:10.920
<v Speaker 4>Well.

653
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.039
<v Speaker 2>They they they have a thing that you know, most

654
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:15.279
<v Speaker 2>people don't know about. It's probably more of an internal

655
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>organization anything, but the mascots community, you know, both on

656
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:23.000
<v Speaker 2>the collegiate level and the professional level across all sports.

657
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:26.720
<v Speaker 2>They they have their own community. And John, while he

658
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 2>was doing it, he was he was the seven time

659
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>mascot of the year. Whoever votes on that and however

660
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:38.680
<v Speaker 2>that's decided, you know, he's considered a pillar in that,

661
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:41.480
<v Speaker 2>in that community, and it's in the in the mascot

662
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 2>hall of Fame again whatever however that's decided. But but

663
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:48.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's just he's been seeing over the years

664
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.599
<v Speaker 2>by those people who are inside of that that that

665
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:56.359
<v Speaker 2>business as one of the best to ever do it

666
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 2>and one of the kindest guys to ever do it.

667
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:03.640
<v Speaker 2>And that's why he's so highly thought of by the

668
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:05.400
<v Speaker 2>people in the sporting community.

669
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.079
<v Speaker 1>Well said, all right, last segment, if you missed it,

670
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.799
<v Speaker 1>really good insight. Smitty is one of the very few

671
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.640
<v Speaker 1>people in the basketball ecosystem that is familiar with both

672
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Wes Wilcox and Raphael Chilis. So we did some Utah

673
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:22.119
<v Speaker 1>basketball talking about the Alex Jensen highly becoming official. If

674
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>you missed any of that, go to the podcast page

675
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>and hear what Smitty had to say about coach chill

676
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:30.119
<v Speaker 1>and Wes Wilcox hired by the You tell if Alex

677
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.119
<v Speaker 1>build this thing how much, Smitty before you give the

678
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 1>games tonight? Kevin Young, former NBA coach, You guys can

679
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 1>go look at his staff. They're all former NBA G

680
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.079
<v Speaker 1>League guys. There's a little bit of a BYU flavor,

681
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:45.440
<v Speaker 1>but not much. Charles Buo is on his staff, but

682
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Speaker 1>it's mostly x NBA guys. Or x G League guys

683
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.359
<v Speaker 1>and Bringham Young is reported to have two seven figure

684
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>players on the roster this year, and if the reports

685
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>are true, they're paying aj De bants Is seven million

686
00:33:57.720 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>dollars to play five months of basketball next year.

687
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 3>Provo.

688
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:03.359
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of people that are doing the

689
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>narrative like Utah is just ripping off the BYU model

690
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:08.400
<v Speaker 1>to try to build their program. Certainly BYU is not

691
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:12.599
<v Speaker 1>the only only program in the country that as X

692
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:17.320
<v Speaker 1>NBA guys are a grip of NIL support. But things

693
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.599
<v Speaker 1>are happening down in Provo on the basketball side of

694
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:21.360
<v Speaker 1>things that are hard to ignore, right, I mean, as

695
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.519
<v Speaker 1>far as the money they have and the NBA model

696
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:24.519
<v Speaker 1>they put in place.

697
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, they have a lot. You know what BYU has

698
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:31.119
<v Speaker 2>to my understanding, I don't know this you know firsthand,

699
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:37.119
<v Speaker 2>but I believe that they with the new NIL influence

700
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.519
<v Speaker 2>in college athletics now BYU has been able to tap

701
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:45.159
<v Speaker 2>into their donor base and their support base, which involves

702
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people through this tech corridor. If you

703
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 2>will spend between Salt Lake and Provo Silicon Slopes, the

704
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Silicon Slopes, and there's a lot of BYU people involved

705
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.239
<v Speaker 2>in that and my understanding is that there's a lot

706
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:03.239
<v Speaker 2>of them who have chosen to get involved on a

707
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:08.519
<v Speaker 2>financial level for the program. Uh. They don't want a

708
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:10.679
<v Speaker 2>lot of publicity, you know, a lot of them saying, hey,

709
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.599
<v Speaker 2>look i'll get involved, I'll donate, I'll do this or

710
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.199
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is. But I don't want to be that guy.

711
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm just you know, I just want to do my

712
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.519
<v Speaker 2>part and you know, slide in the side door and

713
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.400
<v Speaker 2>sit down in my seat, watch the game and go

714
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.239
<v Speaker 2>home whatever. So there's a lot of those people. I

715
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>think Ryan Smith, the owner of the Jazz you know,

716
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 2>is a big b YU booster. You know, he's right

717
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.360
<v Speaker 2>front and center. You know, he kind of gets a

718
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of the attention, you know, for what's going on.

719
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, whether that's accurate or not, I don't know.

720
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:44.159
<v Speaker 2>I do know he's a he's a terrific uh by

721
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:48.000
<v Speaker 2>U supporter, and he's at a lot of the games

722
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:51.599
<v Speaker 2>with his family and and and they're big boosters there.

723
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>But there are a lot of other people involved also

724
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:57.280
<v Speaker 2>that have helped by you in that regard. And and

725
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.519
<v Speaker 2>we've mentioned before Spence on on this show, there's there's

726
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:05.639
<v Speaker 2>you don't normally get if your your if you're church

727
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>related school located in Provo, Utah, you don't normally get

728
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.719
<v Speaker 2>into the living room of the top a national recruit

729
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:18.960
<v Speaker 2>who happens to be from Boston, Massachusetts, you know, without

730
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.480
<v Speaker 2>something going on, you know that that that attracts that

731
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:26.199
<v Speaker 2>individual to a to a program like BYU and so

732
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:29.920
<v Speaker 2>uh and and and look it's it's all. It's all

733
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.480
<v Speaker 2>above board, it's all. That's what it is. Now, that's

734
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:37.880
<v Speaker 2>what's going on. And so uh until that changes, uh,

735
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 2>you know with the revenue sharing or how they're gonna

736
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:43.360
<v Speaker 2>how that's all gonna play out in college athletics. You know,

737
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 2>the your b YU has uh has figured out how

738
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.360
<v Speaker 2>to do that. To this point, they're on a nice

739
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.639
<v Speaker 2>little run here. I love how people always, you know,

740
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:57.039
<v Speaker 2>these things get amplified this time of year, right or wrong, uh,

741
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.239
<v Speaker 2>based on how you you play one game or a

742
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:03.360
<v Speaker 2>particular game. You know. Colorado State, you know, maybe should

743
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.559
<v Speaker 2>have could have won their game last week against Maryland.

744
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:09.199
<v Speaker 2>They hit a game winning shot with six seconds left.

745
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Maryland comes down, the guy hits a floater, you know,

746
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 2>fallaway shot at the buzzer, and they end up winning instead,

747
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.440
<v Speaker 2>and Colorado State goes home. But Colorado State would be

748
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.960
<v Speaker 2>a nice story if they had that shot hadn't gone

749
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 2>in and and and they they're in the sweet sixteen.

750
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:25.719
<v Speaker 2>But b YU has played two good games, shot the

751
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:29.599
<v Speaker 2>ball well. UH played well against Wisconsin and was able

752
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.400
<v Speaker 2>to hold on at the end even though they tried

753
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:34.840
<v Speaker 2>to lose the game the last couple of minutes the

754
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.880
<v Speaker 2>way they played, but they had enough of a cushion

755
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.559
<v Speaker 2>to survive UH and then had to stop right at

756
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:42.639
<v Speaker 2>the end to win the game. So so they're in

757
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:46.280
<v Speaker 2>a great position tonight playing a tough Alabama team UH

758
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:49.519
<v Speaker 2>that is really athletic, and it's gonna test UH b

759
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.960
<v Speaker 2>yu's ability to match up UH to be able to

760
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:57.199
<v Speaker 2>defend them UH and to be able to UH be able.

761
00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:59.719
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna have to be able to shoot the way

762
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:02.559
<v Speaker 2>that they capable of doing if they're going to have

763
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:04.679
<v Speaker 2>a chance to be in it at the end.

764
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.960
<v Speaker 1>So that brings us to tonight. And before we get

765
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:13.880
<v Speaker 1>to BYU Alabama, Smiddy, there are sixteen teams left in

766
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:19.119
<v Speaker 1>college basketball and zero Cinderellas. Don't tell me Arkansas of Cinderella.

767
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Cal has like.

768
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Three or four pros. They were just hurt to start

769
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.519
<v Speaker 1>the year and they didn't play well. And when I

770
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:29.199
<v Speaker 1>watched them play Kansas, you could tell that the talent

771
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:31.840
<v Speaker 1>on that roster did not actually reflect the ten seed.

772
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Only four conferences represented seven teams from one conference. Is

773
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>this the new re I mean, I know, you don't

774
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 1>thill out a bracket, and I fill one out and

775
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:43.960
<v Speaker 1>like an idiot, I picked Cinderellas because you know, I've

776
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.400
<v Speaker 1>watched the thing my entire life. Is it the new

777
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.119
<v Speaker 1>reality of college basketball where we're just going to see

778
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.400
<v Speaker 1>more separation from the top to the bottom.

779
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think I think for two reasons, Spence.

780
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:57.920
<v Speaker 2>One is is it the nil stuff Until they get

781
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:01.480
<v Speaker 2>a handle on that, until there's some four of a

782
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:04.039
<v Speaker 2>so called salary cap like they have in the pros,

783
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.000
<v Speaker 2>programs are going to be able to get the top players.

784
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:11.119
<v Speaker 2>And no matter what you say, how you phrase it,

785
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:14.159
<v Speaker 2>how you approach it. You know, kids who are juniors

786
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and seniors in high school who have aspirations to, you know,

787
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe play someday as a professional, or even if they

788
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>don't get there, you know, maybe their college experience will

789
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:31.280
<v Speaker 2>end up being their professional experience in terms of financial reward.

790
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.079
<v Speaker 2>So they're looking at schools that are going to give

791
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:38.599
<v Speaker 2>them an opportunity to earn some money right out of

792
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.800
<v Speaker 2>the gate. And then the other the other equation is

793
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:44.760
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you have this open transfer portal process.

794
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.039
<v Speaker 2>So you know Randy Ray, you know, the great Weaver

795
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:51.719
<v Speaker 2>State coach who retired a couple of years ago, and

796
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:54.760
<v Speaker 2>by his own admission, probably the three or four years

797
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.400
<v Speaker 2>earlier than he wanted to or had originally planned to.

798
00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>He got out because he said, I can see it coming.

799
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to have to deal with it because

800
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:05.639
<v Speaker 2>if I get fortunate enough in the recruiting process to

801
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:09.159
<v Speaker 2>get another Damian Lillard to come to Weaver State and

802
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.679
<v Speaker 2>play well my fresh his freshman year, he doesn't come

803
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:17.280
<v Speaker 2>back his sophomore year because he's going to Kansas. So

804
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:19.320
<v Speaker 2>he's going to Texas, So he's going to U C.

805
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.800
<v Speaker 2>L A or whoever has the money. And I and

806
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.679
<v Speaker 2>I would not want to stop them, because that's what

807
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:30.280
<v Speaker 2>it's all about, right yeah, I mean, so, uh, you know,

808
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.679
<v Speaker 2>so that's what's gonna happen. So you're you're seeing the

809
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.440
<v Speaker 2>so called cream rising to the top. All the big

810
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.800
<v Speaker 2>boys are going to continue to be the bigger boys

811
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.039
<v Speaker 2>because as long as they have those kind of financial

812
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.480
<v Speaker 2>resources and the situations that they're in, you know, to

813
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:50.360
<v Speaker 2>to attract collegiate players, that's what's gonna happen. And and

814
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.880
<v Speaker 2>you know this thing like you know, going up to

815
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:56.599
<v Speaker 2>the U this year, and I'm an U bo I

816
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:58.599
<v Speaker 2>like all the teams in the state. I go to

817
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the U Games because there are five is from my

818
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 2>house and I and I support I've supported the program

819
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:04.840
<v Speaker 2>for a long time. But I go up there this

820
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:08.159
<v Speaker 2>year and you know, they were competitive. Craig Smith is

821
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:12.599
<v Speaker 2>a good coach. He knows what he's doing on x's

822
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:16.760
<v Speaker 2>and o's stuff. He just didn't have the horses. And

823
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.559
<v Speaker 2>and if you looked at that roster, all these guys

824
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:23.440
<v Speaker 2>who came from different schools from last year other than

825
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.400
<v Speaker 2>the Madson kid, you know, we're from different schools that

826
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:29.440
<v Speaker 2>they plucked from the transfer portal. And you don't have

827
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:34.039
<v Speaker 2>any connection to these guys. They're not the kids who

828
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>are freshmen and sophomores. Now, they're you're juniors and seniors

829
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:40.960
<v Speaker 2>who you've been rooting for and that's my guy and whatever.

830
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:44.199
<v Speaker 2>You don't see him grow up. They're just passing through

831
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.960
<v Speaker 2>because as soon as they get a different thing. They're

832
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.320
<v Speaker 2>gone to the next thing, whatever that is. And that

833
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:54.440
<v Speaker 2>was born out last year when when Utah had the

834
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Devin Smith kid who came in Davon and and and

835
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.679
<v Speaker 2>uh and he played well enough and boom boom, he's

836
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:04.920
<v Speaker 2>off to Saint John's, you know, this year. And so

837
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.920
<v Speaker 2>that's just going to continue to happen. And unless you

838
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:15.280
<v Speaker 2>have you know, some unusual, you know, magic potion that

839
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.159
<v Speaker 2>gets your kids to want to play for good old

840
00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:21.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, state to good old University and be part

841
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.599
<v Speaker 2>of that fabric for three or four years, like the

842
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:28.480
<v Speaker 2>old Alex Jensen days and Michael Doliacs and Andre Miller's

843
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.280
<v Speaker 2>and Keith van Horns and all these guys who stayed

844
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.599
<v Speaker 2>four years and we're part of the fabric of that

845
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 2>that that's everything's just going to be a revolving door.

846
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 2>And so how do you root for them? In fact,

847
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:43.840
<v Speaker 2>I asked I was on a trip last week with

848
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:48.440
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of BYU fans and and and as we

849
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:50.679
<v Speaker 2>were visiting, I just asked him casually, Hey, I'm just

850
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:55.519
<v Speaker 2>curious now that this whole landscape has changed, and we

851
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:58.199
<v Speaker 2>know kids are getting paid, and we know what's going on,

852
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:02.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, in that regard you as a fan. Do

853
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.360
<v Speaker 2>you find your fandom having changed at all in terms

854
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.679
<v Speaker 2>of how you think about the kids you're coming to

855
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:13.039
<v Speaker 2>root for every night. Has that changed your the way

856
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:15.679
<v Speaker 2>you look at it, or it just doesn't matter to

857
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:19.039
<v Speaker 2>you as long as they're winning that kind of thing.

858
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 2>And everyone I asked, you know, individually, they said, nah,

859
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:26.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, I know it's changed and whatever. But you know,

860
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:29.320
<v Speaker 2>I go with my family because it's a good time,

861
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:31.320
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we can root to something we can

862
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:34.760
<v Speaker 2>do together as a family or as friends going to

863
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.599
<v Speaker 2>a game. But obviously if they're winning, that makes it

864
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:43.400
<v Speaker 2>much more fun, right And the other part how they're winning,

865
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.639
<v Speaker 2>Why they're winning. They're paying the guys the most money,

866
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.519
<v Speaker 2>so they got the better guys. Whatever. I really don't

867
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:53.239
<v Speaker 2>think about it, you know, I just think about they're wearing.

868
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's the old Jerry Seinfeld bit about laundry,

869
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, laundry. I'm not really rooting for my guys.

870
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm rooting for launde because whoever's wearing the shirt of

871
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.159
<v Speaker 2>my school, that's who I'm rooting for.

872
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, yeah, I wonder one more thing here

873
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 1>that I do want to get your thoughts on what

874
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:11.519
<v Speaker 1>we could see tonight BYU getting going just about forty

875
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:12.159
<v Speaker 1>minutes from now.

876
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:15.920
<v Speaker 3>But my listeners are probably sick of hearing me say this.

877
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I just think it's the only solution, and I think

878
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.679
<v Speaker 1>it needs to happen sooner rather than later, which is

879
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:25.159
<v Speaker 1>simply leaning more into the pro model, allowing the players

880
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:27.039
<v Speaker 1>to unionize and collectively bargained.

881
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:28.760
<v Speaker 3>And therefore.

882
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Gabe Madson signs a three year contract with a fourth

883
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:35.639
<v Speaker 1>year option to play for the Utes, which means you're

884
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:38.159
<v Speaker 1>here for three years and then or whatever two years

885
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:40.400
<v Speaker 1>third year option. At least you've got the guy for

886
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.480
<v Speaker 1>two years, and if he's a pro after that, the

887
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:44.440
<v Speaker 1>third year options is and he leaves, or if he's

888
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:46.599
<v Speaker 1>not that good, the third year option is ours. So

889
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Speaker 1>your ours for three years. I don't see any other

890
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.920
<v Speaker 1>way around it. Smitty to me, that's the only solution.

891
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, they have to have some kind of cap or

892
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.719
<v Speaker 2>ceiling on what they do. In other words, it's got

893
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:01.440
<v Speaker 2>to be some kind of stability. Right now, it's a

894
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:05.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a revolving door for both. Look look at the coaches.

895
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.119
<v Speaker 2>Look at just in the last week. It's the coaches

896
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:10.519
<v Speaker 2>who have moved on you know, whether it's and how

897
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 2>about the guys who were involved in the NCAA scandal.

898
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.360
<v Speaker 1>And the Maryland coach took the Villanova job and is

899
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:17.079
<v Speaker 1>coaching tonight.

900
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, right right. I mean, you know, but

901
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:25.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean it seems like most people involved don't really

902
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:29.760
<v Speaker 2>care as long as you somehow have a formula that

903
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:34.159
<v Speaker 2>allows you to have some level of success. Okay, whether

904
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.320
<v Speaker 2>it's a Sean Miller who got run out of Arizona

905
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:41.360
<v Speaker 2>because and in part because of that that bribery scandal,

906
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:45.639
<v Speaker 2>or will Wade LSU who got run out because of

907
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.039
<v Speaker 2>the same thing, and they go to lesser schools. Do

908
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.480
<v Speaker 2>do do do they have a couple of good years?

909
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 2>Here we are back in the line light at the

910
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:57.079
<v Speaker 2>big schools, you know, with with Sean Miller going uh

911
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.280
<v Speaker 2>going to Texas and and and and Will Way to

912
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:04.039
<v Speaker 2>going NC State. I mean, you know, like, to me

913
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.440
<v Speaker 2>my opinion, you're like, you got to be kidding me,

914
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Like this is it's so blatant about how schools are

915
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:14.639
<v Speaker 2>handling their business now. And but who's on the other

916
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:18.000
<v Speaker 2>end of the spectrum. Somebody like Saint Francis of Pennsylvania,

917
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:22.280
<v Speaker 2>scott Leyden's old school who decides. Last week, they get

918
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:26.840
<v Speaker 2>in the first four, right because they won their league tournament.

919
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.559
<v Speaker 2>They lose. A couple of days later, they announced that

920
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:34.320
<v Speaker 2>they're moving next year to Division III, that they're getting

921
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:38.400
<v Speaker 2>out of this scrum. They say, we can't do it.

922
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 2>It's not going to work for us the way everybody

923
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:44.960
<v Speaker 2>else is doing it. We understand what's going on. We

924
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:49.119
<v Speaker 2>can't compete in that regard. So we're going back to

925
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:54.719
<v Speaker 2>what everybody was originally supposed to be forty fifty sixty

926
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:59.039
<v Speaker 2>years ago, right, which was which was a student activity

927
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:05.199
<v Speaker 2>and the process of being a program on campus where

928
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:07.840
<v Speaker 2>the students came and they got scholarships to go to

929
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:11.400
<v Speaker 2>school and then they played for good old U and uh.

930
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:13.199
<v Speaker 2>And now it's not that. Now it's a it's a

931
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.119
<v Speaker 2>it's a big time business, and it's really a professional

932
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.639
<v Speaker 2>sports business that colleges are running. And it's interesting that

933
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:23.559
<v Speaker 2>how many schools are just you know, just chasing that

934
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.559
<v Speaker 2>that dollar down that rabbit hole. And it's it's really

935
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:31.639
<v Speaker 2>interesting to me that that more presidents of of high schools,

936
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:35.119
<v Speaker 2>of hire institute higher learning aren't looking at that and going,

937
00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:36.519
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, do we do we need to have

938
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:38.840
<v Speaker 2>a meeting about this, like what what are we doing?

939
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.639
<v Speaker 2>You know? And uh, whether it's the Ivy League schools

940
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:44.639
<v Speaker 2>or whether it's other smaller schools who know they can't

941
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:47.719
<v Speaker 2>compete in and are getting out of it like that.

942
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:50.920
<v Speaker 2>So that's interesting to me. And that's but this whole

943
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:54.000
<v Speaker 2>march madness thing, this thing is like, this is some

944
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:58.159
<v Speaker 2>beast that's out of out of whack, and everybody, everybody

945
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:01.079
<v Speaker 2>goes along with it. Spence, It's interesting, Like Mark Cuban

946
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:05.000
<v Speaker 2>said years ago in an interview about copyright infringement and

947
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:11.519
<v Speaker 2>copyright laws, and the biggest copyright infringement company going is

948
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:18.400
<v Speaker 2>YouTube because YouTube uses everybody else's content. They have nothing

949
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:22.639
<v Speaker 2>that's the wrong. They they use everybody else's stuff and

950
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:27.360
<v Speaker 2>they don't pay them, and everybody acknowledges it, and everybody

951
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Speaker 2>goes whatever, right and they shrug, right. I mean that's

952
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:33.400
<v Speaker 2>and and we all fall into it because we all

953
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:37.559
<v Speaker 2>use YouTube to look at something or whatever, and YouTube

954
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.559
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have it if they had to pay copyright and

955
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:43.159
<v Speaker 2>image blah blah blah, and so we all fall into it.

956
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.920
<v Speaker 2>We're all part of it. We're all as guilty as

957
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:48.800
<v Speaker 2>the next guy for participating and being part of it,

958
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's just interesting that that's that's what we

959
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:56.239
<v Speaker 2>find in college athletics, and it's getting more so that way. Right,

960
00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:58.960
<v Speaker 2>That's that's the direction that's going.

961
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.840
<v Speaker 1>As we currently have the conversation live on our YouTube

962
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:05.079
<v Speaker 1>streaming channel. You can subscribe to the ESPN seven hundred

963
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.679
<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel. All Right, somebody, before I say you loose

964
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:12.760
<v Speaker 1>BYU struggles this year, For the most part, they've had

965
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:14.960
<v Speaker 1>some outliers. They lost to the U, they got smoked

966
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:18.480
<v Speaker 1>by Cincinnati randomly. Their struggles this year have been when

967
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:21.880
<v Speaker 1>they ran up against a team that has elite physicality, athleticism,

968
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:22.679
<v Speaker 1>speed and strength.

969
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:25.800
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of who Bama is. Bama's not Houston.

970
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Excuse me, Bama's not Houston physical, but they're faster than Houston.

971
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:32.079
<v Speaker 1>They play with the best pace in college basketball. They're

972
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the fastest team in college basketball. I don't know you

973
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:36.920
<v Speaker 1>think about the Sears kid, but he's a really seasoned

974
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.320
<v Speaker 1>veteran college basketball point guard. They were in the final

975
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:42.320
<v Speaker 1>four year ago. They lost a great game to Yukon.

976
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.360
<v Speaker 1>When you look at the numbers, these two teams are similar.

977
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 1>They want to get up and down, they want to

978
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:52.239
<v Speaker 1>score Alabama's a five point five point favorite. Where Alabama

979
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.960
<v Speaker 1>excels where BYU does not is Alabama guards the three

980
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:55.519
<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

981
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:56.199
<v Speaker 3>Better than BYU.

982
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:58.239
<v Speaker 1>BYU is one of the worst defensive teams of guarding

983
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the three in Bama lex to shoot the three. Bama

984
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.679
<v Speaker 1>a great offensive rebounding team. Okay, but Kenada Fus TREIORI,

985
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.039
<v Speaker 1>by You's got some athletic biggs might be able to hang.

986
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:07.599
<v Speaker 3>How do they get it done?

987
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.000
<v Speaker 1>And you think they can as b YU takes on

988
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Baman just about forty minutes, right, yeah, I.

989
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Think Well, if BYU is going to win and they're

990
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:18.920
<v Speaker 2>going to be in it at the end, they're going

991
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:21.199
<v Speaker 2>to have to They're gonna have to shoot the ball.

992
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:23.920
<v Speaker 2>That's that's what they rely on well the whole season.

993
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:25.800
<v Speaker 2>So they can't get away from that.

994
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:25.880
<v Speaker 4>That.

995
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.960
<v Speaker 2>You can't shy away and try and change your game plan. Now,

996
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.360
<v Speaker 2>this is what got you here, this is what you know.

997
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:33.639
<v Speaker 2>The girl you brought to the dance, that's who you're

998
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:36.119
<v Speaker 2>dancing with. So they've got to be able to shoot

999
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.880
<v Speaker 2>the three. They've got to be able to get good

1000
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 2>looks that they're comfortable with, and they've got to make

1001
00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:45.559
<v Speaker 2>their share they've got to make eleven, twelve, thirteen threes

1002
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:48.559
<v Speaker 2>during the course of the game and get in a

1003
00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:52.320
<v Speaker 2>flow that they feel comfortable doing that with. The other

1004
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:56.559
<v Speaker 2>thing for them is, you know, Alabama is is so

1005
00:50:56.719 --> 00:51:01.920
<v Speaker 2>athletic can attack them. They've got to have a better

1006
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.440
<v Speaker 2>transition defense to slow it down, to get in some

1007
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:09.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of a rhythm defensively for BYU. But then if

1008
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.679
<v Speaker 2>they get into a into a clutch game, which is

1009
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.039
<v Speaker 2>in the college three three points or less or two

1010
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:19.079
<v Speaker 2>minutes to go, b YU has to handle it better

1011
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:21.960
<v Speaker 2>than they did against Wisconsin. They did not do a

1012
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:24.800
<v Speaker 2>good job at the end. Wisconsin. They had a big

1013
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:28.920
<v Speaker 2>enough cushion they were able to survive it barely. But

1014
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:31.559
<v Speaker 2>they have to be able to handle it better and

1015
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:35.079
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna have to rely on their key guys Saunders

1016
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.599
<v Speaker 2>and and Demon And then usually when you have a

1017
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:42.199
<v Speaker 2>game like this, this deep in the tournament, Spence, someone

1018
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:46.039
<v Speaker 2>else shows up and has the game of the year

1019
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:48.679
<v Speaker 2>for them. Who is that? I don't know. Is it

1020
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:52.599
<v Speaker 2>Trey Orri who comes in and gets twelve rebounds and

1021
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:54.800
<v Speaker 2>it goes six for six from the field because he

1022
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:58.119
<v Speaker 2>keeps getting duck ins and dunks or whatever. Or is

1023
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:02.400
<v Speaker 2>it Trevinnell who gets free because Alabama doesn't respect him

1024
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:05.159
<v Speaker 2>quite as much on the weak side and he's able

1025
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.559
<v Speaker 2>to drill four threes in the second half or something

1026
00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:11.920
<v Speaker 2>like that that comes out of the woodwork that helps

1027
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 2>you to get over the hump. But I'm excited for

1028
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 2>the game. It's gonna be fun to watch a.

1029
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Lot of good basketball tonight. Good night if you're a

1030
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:21.400
<v Speaker 1>college basketball fan. Smitty, great to see my friend, and

1031
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:22.119
<v Speaker 1>we'll see you next week.

1032
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Thanks man, appreciate it.

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