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<v Speaker 1>What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, we're picking back up with a prelim hearing

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<v Speaker 1>for Tyler Robinson. Question to Officer Bagley, were you working

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<v Speaker 1>that day? Answer? Yes, I was? Question at UVU Answer

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<v Speaker 1>I was? Yes. Question okay, do you remember what time

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<v Speaker 1>your shift started? Approximately? Answer? Yeah, it approximately started about

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<v Speaker 1>eleven o'clock in the morning. Answer or question eleven o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning. Answer yeah. Question okay, did you receive

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<v Speaker 1>any specific assignment shortly after coming onto duty? Answer? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I did. Question and what was that assignment? Answer? It

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<v Speaker 1>was to secure the top of the Hall of Flags

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<v Speaker 1>on the south end. So we had people that were

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<v Speaker 1>gathering on top of that that we're looking down on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the tent, so we wanted to secure that area.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was put on top of the Hall of

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<v Speaker 1>Flags on the south end. Question okay, my apologies, you're honor.

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<v Speaker 1>Could we have exhibit one published the Judge Tony Graff,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go ahead and republish at exhibit one. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Question you mentioned that you were securing the south end

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<v Speaker 1>of the walkway on top of the Hall of Flags.

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<v Speaker 1>Answer yes, question and so where do we find that

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<v Speaker 1>in this exhibit officer. Answer, so, if you can see

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<v Speaker 1>the tent, the white tent, there's the rooftop where the

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<v Speaker 1>red brick is. I was on top of that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then there's some actually it looks like yellow crime scene tape.

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<v Speaker 1>That was some of our barrier that we put up

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<v Speaker 1>so people wouldn't go above that and walk. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was sitting right by those flower pots plants that were

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<v Speaker 1>by the fugal on the south end. Question so is

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<v Speaker 1>the south end on the bottom of this photograph? Answer yes,

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<v Speaker 1>question where that walkway kind of begins from the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>Answer yes. Question and you refer to a tent. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that the white object that we see inside the courtyard?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer yeah, the square white object with the tent. Question okay,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. So you were securing the area. Answer yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Question did you have the opportunity that morning you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>you checked on about eleven o'clock? Answer yeah, question that

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<v Speaker 1>morning and later to walk around the campus that day?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer yes. Question did you walk along the Hall of

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<v Speaker 1>Flags that day? Answer I did? Question that walkway? Answer yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Question did you visit the courtyard that day as well?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer it down below? Yes, on the south I was

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<v Speaker 1>down there. Question Okay, let's see. Officer, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>turn your attention to state Exhibit number two and that

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<v Speaker 1>should come up on your monitor there. Let me know

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<v Speaker 1>when you see that, if you would. Kathy Nester, a

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer for Tyler Robinson, jumps in your honor, if we

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<v Speaker 1>could maybe not have that on the lector and screen.

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<v Speaker 1>We're getting reports that document shown on the lectern screen

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<v Speaker 1>are being live streamed, so maybe if we could just

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<v Speaker 1>not show that one until it's admitted, Judge Graff, Mister Grunader.

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<v Speaker 1>Grunader also to the court, Judge, I've got copies of

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<v Speaker 1>these myself that i can refer to as I'm asking questions.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge all right, well, i'll go ahead and grant

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<v Speaker 1>the request by Miss Nestor. Will go ahead, and an

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<v Speaker 1>audible just there should be a power button to the left. Grunader,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure where that's at. Did you try here?

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<v Speaker 1>So they're going back and forth trying to get the

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<v Speaker 1>screen turned off. Now, the judge says, after it's turned

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<v Speaker 1>off and if at any point, mister Grunander, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to use the monitor, let's revisit that. And obviously, Miss Nestor,

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<v Speaker 1>you can renew your objection if needs be, but for

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<v Speaker 1>now the monitor's turned off. Let's go ahead and proceed. Question,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, officer. Do you see State Exhibit number two

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<v Speaker 1>on your monitor? Answer yes, I do. Question and do

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<v Speaker 1>you recognize that? Answer? I do? Question? And what is it? Answer?

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<v Speaker 1>This is a picture from the east side looking west

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<v Speaker 1>of the campus. Question Okay, are you familiar with what's

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<v Speaker 1>depicted in the photograph? Answer yes, I am. Question okay,

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<v Speaker 1>And does it show, for example, the low C Center

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<v Speaker 1>that we've talked about? Answer yes it does. Question does

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<v Speaker 1>it depict the Woodbury Business building that we've talked about?

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<v Speaker 1>Answer yes, question and what about the Fugel Building? Answer yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Question does it show the Sorenson Center? Answer yes, question

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<v Speaker 1>and also the Hall of Flags? Answer yes. Question in

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<v Speaker 1>this particular exhibit, can you also see the courtyard? Answer

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<v Speaker 1>I can, A partial of it? Question a partial of it? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it fairly and accurately depict the area of campus

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<v Speaker 1>of UVU on September tenth, twenty twenty five? Answer yes,

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<v Speaker 1>question Okay, your honor, the state offers State Exhibit number two.

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy Nester jumps in your honor, we renew our standing objection.

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<v Speaker 1>We also argue that the Foundation hasn't been laid in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the time this was taken or who took it,

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<v Speaker 1>and at one point in time this was created, and

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<v Speaker 1>how so I don't think he has any personal knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>of that, and we'd object. Grunader jumps in same argument, Judge,

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<v Speaker 1>he has testified that he's familiar with it. He's personally

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with it. He's testified that it's fair and accurate

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<v Speaker 1>as of the day of September tenth, twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what was asked of them. Judge Graff, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go ahead and overrule the objection by defense, noting

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<v Speaker 1>that the witness has laid well, he has expressed that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a fair and accurate representation of what it

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<v Speaker 1>purports to be, and he's familiar with it. He was

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<v Speaker 1>there on the day on September tenth, And because that

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<v Speaker 1>foundation has been laid, State's Exhibit two is admitted and

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<v Speaker 1>may be published. Grunander, thank you. Judge. State moves to

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<v Speaker 1>publish Exhibit two. Question Officer, I'm going to direct your

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<v Speaker 1>attention to the exhibit on the monitor facing the gallery

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<v Speaker 1>of the court today. Can you describe there's a large

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<v Speaker 1>building in the middle of that photograph slightly above the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>But what building are we looking at there? Answer You're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the rooftop of the Losie building. It's got

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<v Speaker 1>two different grays, like a lighter gray and a darker gray.

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<v Speaker 1>Question are you familiar with the rooftop? Then? Answer yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I am. Question and what's it made of? Answer it's

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<v Speaker 1>made of gravel. Answer a question, gravel. Okay, you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>two different grades or did you say grays? Answer grays

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<v Speaker 1>grunader grays. Okay, all right, Now you describe what you

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<v Speaker 1>could see the courtyard, but it wasn't easily visible in

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<v Speaker 1>this photograph. Where is the courtyard located on the State's

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<v Speaker 1>exhibit number two? Answer You've got the white roof that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be in the middle, just to the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the building where the Losi is. I describe. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a white roof there. That's the Swornsen building, and just

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<v Speaker 1>below that you can see some grass, and that's where

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<v Speaker 1>the courtyard is. It's just to the left of that

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<v Speaker 1>white roof. Question, your honor, I'm going to ask the

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<v Speaker 1>witness could actually come down from the stand and point

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<v Speaker 1>where the courtyard is located in the exhibit. For the

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<v Speaker 1>court's behalf the judge. All right, do we have a

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<v Speaker 1>second microphone so it picks up his voice? Okay, Miss Nestor,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for allowing us. Officer, you may step down,

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<v Speaker 1>approach the monitor, and I would ask that you speak

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<v Speaker 1>into the microphone when responding to a question. Okay, can

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<v Speaker 1>you hear me? Ask the officer the judge, I can

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. Question by Grunander officer for our benefit? Could

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<v Speaker 1>you describe again where the low C Center is in

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<v Speaker 1>this photograph? Answer? The Low C Center is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the one with the gray roof. It's got two

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<v Speaker 1>different colors of gray. Question two different colors of gray. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm blind. I can't see the two different colors from here.

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<v Speaker 1>But can you describe where the court looks like? We want? Blank?

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<v Speaker 1>Comes back on? Can you point to where the courtyard

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<v Speaker 1>is located on that exhibit? Answer? The courtyard is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be here where this grass is in this area

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<v Speaker 1>right here? Question? Okay, and what about the Fugel building. Answer?

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<v Speaker 1>The Fugel building is going to be this building right here. Question?

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<v Speaker 1>And the Woodbury Business building then answer? Woodburry is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be this one right here with the red brick path.

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<v Speaker 1>Question and the Sorenson Center. Answer. Sowrenson Center is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the white roof one that's right here. Question Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Now on this exhibit, can you see the LDS Institute

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<v Speaker 1>building and parking structure that we've talked about. Answer no,

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<v Speaker 1>not really. You've got the backside of the institute building

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<v Speaker 1>which is right here, and the parking structure is over there,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can't see. The next, Judge Graft jumps in.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Grunader, let me stop you just for the benefit

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<v Speaker 1>of the record, because the record is picking up the

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<v Speaker 1>audio when you're appointing it to and I know it

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<v Speaker 1>may be a little bit laborious to do this, but

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<v Speaker 1>as you're identifying, indicate the general location on it the

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<v Speaker 1>left side, right side, middle, upper, lower, just so the

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<v Speaker 1>record knows to some degree where you're pointing in that way,

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<v Speaker 1>because the video isn't being captured, so if you would

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<v Speaker 1>do that, it just creates some or complete record. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Grunader, understood, that's fair, Thank you, judge. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>let's point to the courtyard and if you'll describe as

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<v Speaker 1>best you can where it's located on the photograph. Answer.

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<v Speaker 1>On this photograph, the courtyard is going to be this

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<v Speaker 1>grass area that's going to be towards the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the picture, the baseball fields behind it. It's closer to

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<v Speaker 1>the surrounded buildings. There are some grass in there. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be the courtyard area. Question okay. And we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the Hall of Flags and the walkway above that hall.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is that located on the photograph? Answer? The Hall

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<v Speaker 1>of Flags is going to be right by the courtyard.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to the west of it, there's a red brick

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<v Speaker 1>towards the top of the picture. There's a red brick

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<v Speaker 1>pathway that goes from the Fugal building which is on

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<v Speaker 1>the left of the picture, towards the right of the picture,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a science building area. Question okay. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the Sorenson Center. Is that the building in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>with a large white roof. Answer? Yeah, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be towards the upper part of the picture. Middle of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be a white roof. That would be

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<v Speaker 1>the Sorenson Center. Question. And just to the north and

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<v Speaker 1>east of the courtyard answer yeah, north and east question okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And then finally, if you would describe Loci building the

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<v Speaker 1>location of that on this exhibit. Answer the low C

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<v Speaker 1>building could be pretty much in the middle on the

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<v Speaker 1>right side, middle to the right, it's going to have

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<v Speaker 1>two different colors of gray, a darker gray and a

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<v Speaker 1>lighter gray. There's a red pathway and that will be

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<v Speaker 1>the low CI Center. Question. Okay, you mentioned Officer that

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<v Speaker 1>there were different stories on the Loci building. How many

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<v Speaker 1>stories does the Loci building have? Answer? There's four? Question

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<v Speaker 1>four stories. Okay. You mentioned that you were familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>the rooftop. Do you know how to gain access to

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<v Speaker 1>the rooftop of the Loci building? Answer? Yeah, there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>an outside stairway right here that comes up. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be just to the south of the Loci building.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a red pathway right directly in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>of the picture is an outdoor stairway. Question is that

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<v Speaker 1>open to the public? Answer? It is? Question And how

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<v Speaker 1>would someone access the roof from the stairway? Answer? If

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<v Speaker 1>they came up, that would put someone right on the

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<v Speaker 1>pathway that goes between the Low C Center and down

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<v Speaker 1>towards the Computer Science Building. There's a red pathway. There's

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<v Speaker 1>actually a little handrail, like a little guardrail, probably about

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<v Speaker 1>a couple feet high that somebody could jump over. Question

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<v Speaker 1>is that restricted? Is it off limits? Answer? Yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a natural barrier with the guardrail and from there

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<v Speaker 1>on there's no path. It's a gravel roof, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>not paved like everything else. Question, but someone could hop

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<v Speaker 1>over that railway? Answer yes, Chad Grunander. Okay, thank you officer.

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<v Speaker 1>You can take your seat again. All right, folks, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna wrap up right here, and in the next episode

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we

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<v Speaker 1>left off. All the information that goes with this episode

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