WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.120 What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:06.280 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:09.080 where he left off with the Bill Gates interview with 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:14.720 Congress Mister Garcia. What about employees of Epstein? So not 5 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:17.719 necessarily you know men or individuals that were in the 6 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:21.760 public limelight or that had broad reputations, But what about 7 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:25.280 employees or people around Epstein that worked for him or 8 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.199 there was a perception that they worked for him. That 9 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:31.480 wouldn't be that if you had to make a judgment, 10 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:33.880 would be important for us to speak with? Who would 11 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:37.039 you recommend us to speak with? Gates? Yeah, I was 12 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:40.439 never introduced any employee of Epstein. As I've said, they 13 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:42.679 were there to open the door. One of the people 14 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:45.520 stayed for the David Blaine magic trick. There were two 15 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:49.119 admin assistants who were on the plane flight, and almost 16 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:51.840 every time I saw Epstein, he had either one or 17 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:55.280 two what appeared to be ADMIN assistants with him that 18 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:58.359 were all women. They appeared to be adult women. We 19 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:00.640 can go through the various times he had me take 20 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:03.439 photos with these people, but I was never introduced to them, 21 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.079 so I wouldn't have a lot of insight to which 22 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:10.319 ones might help the committee. Garcia, thank you, And mister Gates, 23 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:12.400 I know that you've said, and I just want a 24 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:14.680 quote to be clear. I never spent any time with 25 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:17.319 victims with women around them. I know that you have 26 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:19.879 said that, have been quoted as saying that, But are 27 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.640 you aware that many of Epstein's assistants who are around 28 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:26.439 were actually victimized? Gates, Yeah, that's a very good point. 29 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:29.239 I never spent time with any woman who I was 30 00:01:29.280 --> 00:01:32.480 aware were victims, and so that's why I have enumerated 31 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:36.439 very carefully when I've ever saw any of those admin assistants, 32 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:39.599 because tragically, as you say, it appears in the press 33 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:42.799 now that some of those women were indeed victims. Oh 34 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:47.040 please now stop. We knew this, and if I knew it, 35 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:52.640 Bill Gates knew it. Garcia, Okay, now, I appreciate the clarification. 36 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.760 I think that's important one to make. And then just lastly, 37 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:57.640 I know that you said earlier that you felt your 38 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.400 association with Epstein was a huge mistake. Just to expand 39 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:03.599 on that for the record, can you expand on what 40 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:08.280 you mean exactly by that? What was the mistake? Kates? Yeah, 41 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:10.639 I hope I capture all the ways that it was 42 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.120 a mistake. It was a mistake to spend time with them, 43 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:15.319 because in the end it led to nothing. You know, 44 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:18.039 I'm still not sure to this day if he sincerely 45 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:20.840 thought that, in fact, billions would appear that would be 46 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:24.240 dedicated to global health. I think so, because you know, 47 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:27.800 there were meetings talking about literally the structure of donor 48 00:02:27.840 --> 00:02:31.400 advised funds and what might be attractive to donors. But 49 00:02:31.479 --> 00:02:33.240 it was a mistake because it was a dead end. 50 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.280 It was a mistake because of his prior conviction. It's 51 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:38.360 even more of a mistake when I read in twenty 52 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.000 eighteen that basically he had not served an appropriate penalty 53 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.439 for those things that he had done. And then even 54 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:46.840 more so as I read that even after two thousand 55 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:49.919 and nine, perhaps even during the time twenty eleven to 56 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:53.319 twenty fourteen when I was meeting with them, that there 57 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:56.400 were ongoing crimes. And so you can say it's easy 58 00:02:56.439 --> 00:02:58.960 to say now, but let me tell you this is 59 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:01.879 one of the larger mistakes I've made. Was a risk 60 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:04.960 to my reputation and the reputation of the foundation by 61 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:09.280 engaging in these meetings. Mister Garcia, mister conna Ro, Conna, 62 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.120 thank you, Thank you, mister Gates for being here. Did 63 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:16.080 Jeffrey Epstein use doctor Melanie Walker to get access to you, Gates? 64 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:20.439 No question. Did Epstein use Walker to reach her foundation 65 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:24.719 advisors or other powerful people around you? Gates? I'm sorry 66 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:28.639 say again, Conna. Did Epstein use doctor Walker to reach 67 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:33.520 her foundation advisors or other people around you? Gates? Well, 68 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:36.319 doctor Walker was an employee of the Gates Foundation, doing 69 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:39.719 work there for I think something like three years, and 70 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:43.039 then she went to work at the World Bank, and 71 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:45.599 then she did some consulting from my private office. But 72 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:49.520 you know that's what I knew that she was engaged in, Conna. 73 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:53.280 Did Epstein ever receive information about you through her, Gates? 74 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:55.719 It appears reading the emails. The answer to that is yes, 75 00:03:56.080 --> 00:03:58.919 But I had no awareness of it at the time. Conna. 76 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.599 Doctor Walker told you that Epstein was very discreet and 77 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:06.520 the world's most gorgeous people hang around Epstein. He was 78 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.319 already a convicted sex offender at the time. Why did 79 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.599 you continue to maintain a relationship with him, Gates? Well, 80 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.159 as I've said, I felt that working with Epstein in 81 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:17.879 the limited role which I was clear to him. That 82 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:21.000 is simply being referring me to people who would give, 83 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:24.879 never contemplating and being explicit that he would have no 84 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:28.079 role and that he would not be compensated. I made 85 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:30.399 the mistake in judgment that continuing to spend time with 86 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:33.040 him to try to raise that money for global health 87 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:37.199 was a valuable use of my time. Conna, Well, where 88 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:41.000 would you have gotten the money from him directly or Gates? No, No, 89 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.240 not from him directly. Rather when somebody is, you know, 90 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.319 thinking about their will and their taxes, you know, that's 91 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.360 when they really think, Okay, I have, particularly people of 92 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:53.519 great wealth, that I have money that's left over that 93 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:57.160 perhaps I should give philanthropically. And so I believed, and 94 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:01.319 he represented that with a number ofillionaires, including Wall Street 95 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:04.199 billionaires and Middle East billionaires. He had the type of 96 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:08.480 relationships where there was somebody staking out their overall estate plan. 97 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.519 And I believe that was the case. We're literally billions, 98 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:14.480 and he specifically said this to me, which of course 99 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:17.000 ended up not happening. But he said that we could 100 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:21.279 raise billions. Conna, two more quick questions, because my time 101 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.879 is about out. Given what we've seen the behavior of 102 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:27.600 what I call the Epstein class and all these billionaires. 103 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:30.279 Would you at least be four or five percent tax 104 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:33.879 on these billionaires to deal with wealth in inequality? Could 105 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:36.720 you at least say you're open to something like that. See, 106 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:38.839 this is what I mean. There's no place for that 107 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:42.879 in this hearing. Why does Rocanna have to bring that up? Now? Look, 108 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:48.279 it's a valid argument, not the right forum. That question 109 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:50.839 should have been used to get us further to the 110 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.800 truth when it comes to Epstein. Mister Gates, well, I 111 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:56.920 certainly believe that the US has to find a way 112 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:59.639 of taxing very rich people at a far higher level 113 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.279 than they do today. You know, I probably paid more 114 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:06.160 in taxes than anyone I paid, over fourteen billion. I 115 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.360 think it's unfortunate that the current taxation vehicles don't raise 116 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:14.199 money from people of great wealth, including people like myself. Conna, 117 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:17.439 my last question is, did mister Epstein ever introduce you 118 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:22.560 to any young women or girls? Gates never, Conna, thank you, Garcia. 119 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:27.839 Congressman Lynch, mister Lynch, thank you, mister Gates. Earlier Democratic 120 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.079 Council asked you if you recalled an email that you 121 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:33.079 received that was sent to you by Melanie Walker that 122 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.279 warned you about mister Epstein. You did not recall that, 123 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:38.720 and you asked if there might be a specific date. 124 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.680 I looked it up and it's August fourteenth. I'm sorry. 125 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:46.040 August of twenty fourteen Walker sent you appeared to be 126 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.000 a warning, and it said that you should maintain a 127 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:51.519 quote healthy distance from anything of a personal nature when 128 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:54.480 dealing with Epstein. Do you recall that now, Gates, No, 129 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:56.759 If you have a copy of the email, I'd be 130 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:00.439 glad to see it. Lynch, Yeah, okay, all right, no, Gates. 131 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:02.759 But let me comment on that I did maintain some 132 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.600 distance from Epstein. It was a mistake to meet him, 133 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:08.839 and by August twenty fourteen, you know, this is a 134 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:13.079 month before he finally does name specific people who we 135 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:15.439 meet with in September, and none of those appear to 136 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:19.000 be prospects. Then there's one further meeting in December, and 137 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:21.199 then I cut off all ties with Epstein at that point, 138 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:24.560 mister Lynch, I understand that. But from the very beginning 139 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:28.079 of your relationship he was a registered sex offender, Gates, 140 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:30.480 I didn't know he was a registered sex offender. I 141 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:34.759 didn't know that he had been guilty of sexually related crimes. Lynch, Well, 142 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:37.920 let me just go back to Melanie Walker. Melanie Walker 143 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:40.160 really worked your staff pretty hard in terms of pushing 144 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:43.040 Jeffrey Epstein, and in one email to you she described 145 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:46.480 him as her best friend. Also, Melanie Walker really pumped 146 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:50.160 Epstein with doctor Nikolic and also Larry Cohen. She went 147 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:54.240 to Alex Friedman pushing Jeffrey Epstein also established a relationship 148 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:56.879 with Prince Andrew as well, you know, sort of following 149 00:07:56.920 --> 00:07:59.639 up with mister Connor's questions. I saw her as someone 150 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:03.839 who pushed Epstein into your orbit and actually made those connections. 151 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.800 And you know, when you were asked who you thought 152 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:09.519 might have shared information about your infidelity, I thought of her. 153 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:12.920 I didn't think of doctor Nikolic because it was consistent. 154 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:16.839 She was an accolade of Epstein from the very beginning, 155 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:20.240 giving him credit for suggesting she owed a medical school. 156 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:22.519 Could you talk a little bit about your relationship with 157 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:25.279 miss Walker, because I think in response to the ranking 158 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:28.439 members question, and I think she might be someone that 159 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:32.159 this committee might want to talk to. Gates. Yeah, during 160 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:35.600 the time I knew Epstein between twenty eleven and twenty fourteen, 161 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.399 the only time her name came up with Epstein was 162 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:41.960 at the first dinner he mentioned that he knew her, 163 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.759 and subsequently all meetings over the rest of the years, 164 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.639 her name did not come up in terms of her 165 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:50.240 She did send me an email after the first dinner 166 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:54.840 asking about my impressions, which I responded to Lynch. Did 167 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.159 she ever tell you that she was his science advisor 168 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:01.039 or that she had lived in his building gates? I 169 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:03.360 wasn't aware of that, but I do believe that's now 170 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:08.600 publicly known. Lynch. Yeah, I'm just curious about Okay, all right, 171 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:12.000 that's all I've got. Thank you. Next up, Miss Stansbury. 172 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:16.279 All right, good morning. Hi Melanie Stansbury. I represent New 173 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.000 Mexico's first congressional district, and I appreciate you being here today. 174 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:24.159 What I'd like to focus on during my time this 175 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:26.639 morning is really to understand a little bit more about 176 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:29.960 mister Epstein's world as you understood it, because I think 177 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.799 it'll help us cut through some of the noise, especially 178 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:35.679 a truth commission that we're conducting in New Mexico to 179 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:38.559 understand what he was doing there and what his interests 180 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:41.320 were and how that allowed him to access and abuse women. 181 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:43.960 So you're one of the few people we've been able 182 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:47.679 to talk to about what Epstein was scientifically through your 183 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:50.840 conversations with them, through these meetings that you had during 184 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:55.440 that time. What was Epstein interested in in the science world? Gates. 185 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.120 We never got into any depth on that, but he 186 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:00.960 mentioned a number of people, you know, professors at universities 187 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:03.960 that he would talk to about varying scientific things. You 188 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:06.440 know some of those names are and I knew them. 189 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:09.480 He appeared to be someone who knew who would talk 190 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:12.039 to lots of people in different fields. You know, that's 191 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:15.039 different than my own approach, which is depict software and 192 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:19.080 be very focused and now global health. Stansbury, let me 193 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:21.519 reframe the question a little bit. You met with him 194 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:25.360 on multiple times to discuss the opportunities for philanthropy and 195 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:29.519 investment in scientific endeavors as well as global health. Gates, 196 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:34.480 no question, Stansbury, That's not what you said. Answer all. 197 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:37.799 The entire focus was raising money for global health. Now, 198 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.080 work for global health can include creating new vaccines or 199 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:45.519 things that the scientific component to them. Stansbury. Okay, so 200 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:48.200 excuse me for using more playing language as opposed to 201 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.879 focus language. What was the nature of those conversations. What 202 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:55.360 were the topics that he was interested in? Gates? You know, 203 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.440 he had thoughts about economics, he had thoughts about psychology, 204 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:04.159 you know, various macro economic things. Stansbury. Were specific investment 205 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:08.000 opportunities discussed Gates. No, never, I was never a co 206 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:13.360 investor with Epstein. The focus was philanthropic money Stansbury. Okay, 207 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:16.399 I think we're talking around the same thing. So philanthropic 208 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.440 money to invest in what Gates? Global health Stansbury. But 209 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:25.559 what's specifically in Gates. Epstein wasn't knowledgeable about global health. 210 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:29.440 So the Gates Foundation, which is deeply involved in global health, 211 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:33.720 you know, when there's additional money coming from philanthropists, were 212 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:36.480 able to provide advice and make sure that the money 213 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:40.120 was very high impact. But none of that specifically was discussed. 214 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:45.840 The idea of where it would go wasn't discussed with Epstein. Stansbury. Oh, okay, 215 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.519 So the nature of those conversations was more pitching them 216 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:51.600 and his associates on getting wealthy donors to invest in 217 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:55.919 your adventures, Gates. If money had been forthcoming, it would 218 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:58.679 have gone to things like the Global Alliance for Vaccines, 219 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:03.120 which by vaccines for children, or the Global Fund. Stansbury 220 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:06.720 cuts him off. You are essentially pitching him to invest Gates. 221 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:08.559 I didn't pitch him. He told me that he had 222 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:12.240 close professional relationships with people who, at the time they 223 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:15.519 were deciding what to do with their wealth, was a 224 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:17.879 context where he could suggest to them that the money 225 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:20.960 could have a very powerful effect if it was dedicated 226 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:25.120 to global health. Stansbury. Okay, So your motivation in attending 227 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:28.320 these meetings is he saw an opportunity to potentially bring 228 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.360 other donors into the bringing their wealth to invest in 229 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.039 your ventures. Is that a fair assessment. Gates not invest 230 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.320 to give money away, and they're not my ventures. Gavey 231 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:43.639 is an independent organization. Global Fund is an independent organization. Stansbury, 232 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:48.720 I'm using the word invest gets cut off by Bill Gates. Okay, 233 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:54.720 I'm sorry to be picky. Stansbury to philanthropic givers. Gates. 234 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:58.960 Good point, Stansbury, to be donors to your philanthropic endeavors. Okay, 235 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:02.399 well again, this may be picky, but they're not mine. 236 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:05.360 You know, the Gates Foundation gets cut off by Sansbury. 237 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:08.799 I got you, I got you. Okay. This is why 238 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:12.639 you're a tech person. You're very precise. I'm using imprecise 239 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:16.679 and non technical language. So you've already established this morning 240 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:19.039 that you were familiar with the fact that he had 241 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:22.559 been convicted of his sexual crime. You've already established this 242 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:25.200 morning that you were familiar with mister Epstein and that 243 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:27.720 he had a reputation, and you were concerned about it 244 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:30.519 because you've already said you didn't want to be seen 245 00:13:30.559 --> 00:13:32.919 with them in a place that might affect your reputation. 246 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:36.799 So I think that what many of us don't understand 247 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:39.559 why did people like you continue to associate with them, 248 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.360 Like why did your interest in accessing donors that he 249 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.039 might have known override your own moral compass of like 250 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:50.039 maybe I shouldn't associate with this convicted sex offender. I 251 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:52.159 know you feel bad about it, but tell us, like 252 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:55.399 what went through your head where you're like, okay, yeah, 253 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:59.519 I'll go have six meetings with them over the years. Gates, Well, certainly, 254 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:01.720 you know, I'd met with people who had been convicted 255 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:04.919 of crimes and served their time, and my understanding, I 256 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:07.720 did not understand that justice had not been done. It 257 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:09.960 was a mistake to meet with them. I did feel 258 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:12.679 at the time that by narrowly defining his role as 259 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:16.000 simply referring us to people who would give philanthropically to 260 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.200 global health, that he would have no role in those 261 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:21.720 things and he would receive no compensation. I justified that 262 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:24.639 getting billions of dollars for global health was worth spending 263 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.120 time with them, and that was a complete dead end Stansbury, 264 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.919 And so on your mind, the end justified the means gates. No, 265 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.480 I think that goes too strongly. But during the whole 266 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:38.519 time twenty eleven to twenty fourteen, there was you know, 267 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:42.240 constant consideration of okay, let's make sure it's a narrow role, 268 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:44.639 and the people would discuss, you know that if this 269 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.799 is going to come through or not, should we still 270 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:50.120 engage or not. That was a consideration, and I made 271 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:52.399 the final judgment to keep meeting with them, which was 272 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:55.799 a mistake. Stansbury. Let me just say, as we close 273 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:58.080 things out, and I know that there's other questions. You 274 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:00.480 keep referring to the women that you did it interact 275 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:03.519 with in his orbit as being adult women. We've interviewed 276 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:06.440 a number of his assistants, including one of his assistants 277 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.000 who worked for Epstein as an adult woman who was 278 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:12.159 raped and sexually assaulted during her time. And so Epstein 279 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:15.720 didn't just commit crimes against children. He was committing active 280 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:19.000 crimes against these admin assistants that you met. And so 281 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:21.600 when you said multiple times this morning you did not 282 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.200 meet victims, you did not see women that he may have, 283 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:27.799 we do not believe that is so. We believe that 284 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.600 this was completely normalized in his world as he was 285 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:33.559 interacting with rich and powerful people. And so I hope 286 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:36.679 that you can refrain that you may have actually witnessed 287 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:39.240 abuse by these women being in his world, even if 288 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:41.960 you did not witness the acts of abuse, Gates, So 289 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:46.360 you're saying I didn't I never witnessed any abuse Stansbury. Okay, sir, 290 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.799 we know that his assistants were being abused actively by him, Gates. 291 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:54.200 I'm very sorry to hear that, Stansbury. Yes, so thank 292 00:15:54.240 --> 00:16:00.240 you Crockett for purpose of the record. Jasmine Crockett, Texas Garcia. Yeah, 293 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:02.440 I think we're probably out of talent time now, so 294 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:04.759 we can wrap it up. We'll go off the record, 295 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:07.039 all right, folks. We're gonna wrap up right here too, 296 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:09.600 and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're 297 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:12.639 gonna pick up where we left off. All the information 298 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:15.519 that goes with this episode can be found in the 299 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:19.000 description box. What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode 300 00:16:19.159 --> 00:16:22.360 of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick 301 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.039 up where we left off with the Bill Gates interview 302 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:29.960 with Congress Specter. We can go on the record, mister Gates. 303 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.200 During the Majority's first hour, we discussed one draft email 304 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:36.080 that was sent by mister Epstein himself. There is a second, 305 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:39.919 somewhat similar email. I'll enter that into the record as 306 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:44.720 Majority Exhibit three. It's an email, also from July eighteenth, 307 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.440 twenty thirteen, this time at one thirty three pm. It's 308 00:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.120 Bates marked as the FTA zero one nine six seven 309 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:55.000 five two eight. I'll give you a second to look 310 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:58.879 at it. Have you seen this email before? Answer only 311 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:01.440 as part of the release of the Epstein Files. Question, 312 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:03.240 So you had not seen this email until it was 313 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.519 released publicly by the Department of Justice. Is that right? Answer? 314 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:10.519 That's right. Question. Had you seen any email that was 315 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:13.039 similar to it or close to it or you'd seen 316 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:17.920 nothing like this before? Answer? Nothing like this question. What 317 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:20.680 was your reaction when you saw this in the Epstein Files? 318 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:25.279 Answer it looked like it looks like Epstein is suggesting. Well, 319 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:27.920 it's an email to himself, so who knows if he 320 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:30.279 ever sent it? To doctor Nikolic, But it looks like 321 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.200 he's musing on using a mixture of facts and falsities 322 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:36.400 as an effort, almost like a blackmail to advance some 323 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:40.680 goal in an improving doctor Nicolch negotiating position as part 324 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:44.400 of his exit from my employ Question. I'll read parts 325 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.200 of the email into the records, starting with near the top. 326 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:51.200 It's at the third sentence, you've decided to discharge me 327 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:54.440 from my job. Had Larry, you're a PR person tell 328 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:57.599 me that I engaged in morally inappropriate behavior and then 329 00:17:57.680 --> 00:17:59.759 asked me to be a major actor in a cover 330 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:02.000 up so that you can maintain the reputation that you've 331 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:05.440 worked so hard to achieve. End quote for the record, 332 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:07.839 is it fair to say that the person being referenced 333 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:13.240 here Larry you're a PR person, is Larry Cohen? Answer? Well, 334 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:15.759 Larry was not my PR person. But in a word, 335 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.599 speculating on who a person who, particularly in the email 336 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:22.519 to himself, you know, generated literally dozens of false things. 337 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:25.599 That sentence may refer to Larry Cohen, but he was 338 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:29.559 not my PR person. Question fair enough, but was mister 339 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.000 Cohen involved in any way in the discussions about mister Nikolch? 340 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:38.680 Doctor Nikolch departure. Answer yes, question thank you. Did you 341 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:41.279 direct Larry Cohen to tell mister Nickolch that he had 342 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:47.400 engaged in morally inappropriate behavior? Answer no. Question. Did Larry Cohen, 343 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:49.880 to your knowledge, ever tell doctor Nikolch that he had 344 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:54.079 engaged in morally inappropriate behavior? Answer? I don't believe so. 345 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:59.400 Question have you talked to mister Cohen about that? Answer no. Question. 346 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:02.400 Have you ever had any discussion with mister Cohen about 347 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:07.000 this email since seeing it in the Epstein files? Answer no. Question. 348 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:09.920 Do you believe that doctor Nikolicch had engaged in a 349 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:14.720 morally inappropriate behavior? Answer will depending on how you characterize 350 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:17.640 his not telling my wife about affairs I'd had, that's 351 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:21.319 the extent of it. Question Did you ever tell doctor 352 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:24.559 Nikolch explicitly to keep these affairs his knowledge of these 353 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:28.000 affairs private? Answer no, I did not. In fact, you'll 354 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:30.240 see an email from me where I say during the 355 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.640 exit negotiations that if they're trying to change the terms 356 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:37.440 away from what was agreed upon before Epstein's involvement, that 357 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:40.759 we won't reach agreement, and that involves I mean you 358 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:43.039 can pull all the exact email, but I say, if 359 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:45.880 that involves things being disclosed about me. I'll just bear 360 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:48.279 the pain, but I'm not going to change my offer 361 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:52.400 to doctor Nikolch as part of the exit agreement. Question 362 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:54.960 I understand. Let's go back a little bit further though, 363 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:58.359 when doctor Nikolch first became aware of these two affairs. 364 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:00.640 At that point in time, I think I asked you 365 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.240 earlier if you had ever discussed the affairs with doctor Nikeolich. 366 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:07.720 But did you ever initially tell doctor Nikolich that you 367 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:11.720 expected him to keep this as a secret for you? Answer? 368 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:14.680 I did not, question, So you just assumed that he 369 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:18.920 wouldn't share it. Answer, we never discussed it. Question how 370 00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:20.960 long from the start of the first affair to when 371 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:24.960 you told Melinda? How long was that? Answer? Probably several years? 372 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:29.640 Question several years or seven? Sorry? Answer, I said several years. 373 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.680 Question several years. So over the course of those several years, 374 00:20:33.880 --> 00:20:36.960 you never had a conversation with doctor Nikolitch asking him 375 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.279 to kind of keep this a secret. Answer I did 376 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:44.279 not question. I'll continue reading. It's a little bit further down, 377 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:46.799 still near the top. It says Larry has now asked 378 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:51.160 me to recommit to a confidentiality agreement and have categorically 379 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:54.400 told me that you were of firm mind that we 380 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:57.640 should no longer have any direct, ongoing business relationship with 381 00:20:57.720 --> 00:21:00.599 a total disregard for its impact on the public perception 382 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:04.759 of my reputation. You have requested that I diligently avoid 383 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:07.640 the truth, tell people that Bill will not invest with me, 384 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:12.000 and craft answers that suits yours and Melinda's needs. I 385 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:14.440 think you've already answered part of my questions about this, 386 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:17.240 but I guess I'll ask in a different way. Did 387 00:21:17.240 --> 00:21:20.079 you have any as part of his position or otherwise 388 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:25.039 did you have any confidentiality agreement with doctor Nikolich about anything? Answer? 389 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:28.160 I'm not sure. Question you're not aware of whether you 390 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:31.119 had any legal non disclosure agreement or anything of the 391 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:36.359 sort with doctor Nikolch. Answer I'm not question, And let 392 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:39.599 me just be clear. You with him, or the Gates 393 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:42.720 Foundation or any of the other ventures, do you know 394 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:46.359 if those entities had non disclosure agreements with doctor Nikolich? 395 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.880 Answer you know, doctor Nikolich. I assume when he worked 396 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:52.240 for the Foundation, which had ended, you know, a long 397 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:55.480 time before this, there may be a standard non disclosure 398 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:58.640 as part of that. I don't know. Likewise, when he 399 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:01.880 Joins Gates Ventures. There may be some standard non disclosure, 400 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:04.759 but I was never part of any discussion about that 401 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:09.559