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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely You Can't Be

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Serious Podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten

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of eighties and nineties pop culture with your co hosts

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James D.

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Speaker 2: Graves and Jason Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: You're father.

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Speaker 4: Copman.

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Speaker 3: Hey guys, we're back for part two of the Superman

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one and two versus Man of Steel debate. Once again,

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John Reid from the thirty Something Movie podcast is joining us.

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Speaker 5: Hey John, Hey guys, I'm really excited. Thank you so

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much for having me back here.

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Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 5: I'm ready to throw down like that that Muhammad Ali

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Superman think. I'm ready to throw down mite this out.

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You know, May the best Superman win?

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 4: I know that in Man of Steel there is no

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Lex Luthor, but I think we should talk about Gene

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Hackman for just a second.

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Speaker 3: Gene Hackman is maybe next to Christopher Reeve. My favorite

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part of the Superman one and two series is not

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the mustache twirling villain at all. Anything that you get

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from him that's evil is just dialogue that he's speaking.

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In all other respects, he seems kind of like a

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funny guy and easy to get along with. Other than

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he's so full of himself.

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Speaker 4: When he was hired, he had a mustache. This is

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like mustache Gene Hackman.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the original posters had a picture of Marlon Brando

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and Gene Hackman, and Gene Hackman had.

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Speaker 4: A full on Mustache's crazy, and he didn't want to shave.

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Didn't want to shave his mustache. Number one didn't want

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to shave his head either. But Dick Donner called him.

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He said, all right, listen, dude, you if you'll shave

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your mustache, I'll shave my mustache. So Hagman's like all right, Well,

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Dick Donner didn't have a mustache.

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Speaker 5: Not only that, he when he said I'll shave my

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mustache if you shave yours, he actually had a fake

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mustache on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then after Genie.

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Speaker 5: Hackman, Yeah, after Gene Hackman shaped his he's like all right,

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He's like okay, cool quick and people. And that's the

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story why Gene Hackman didn't come back for the sequel.

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Speaker 4: I think it's funny that Lex Luthor is supposed to

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have all these hair pieces, but I mean, anybody you

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know who wears a tuope that has a bultipier, So

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anytime you see Hackman. It's bald. It's a bald cat.

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But I love Gene Hackman. He's charming, he's funny. I

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talked to you the other day, and I'm like, when

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he first meets Superman and kind of lures himTo his

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layer by making that vague thread about toxin gas or whatever.

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He doesn't have a plan to commit any kind of crime,

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and yet he has instant credibility and Superman shows up

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and not kicks in his door. I'm like, that happens

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every day on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: In addition to Lex Luthor, we didn't have Otis, who

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was played by Ned Beatie, who was fantastic. Mister luthorw

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it just aside real quick. The officers, the police officers

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and Superman one not only know who Lex.

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Speaker 4: Luthor is, but know who his goons are.

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Speaker 3: Because they see Otis in decides to start following that

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scene when the guy gets pushed in front of the

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train matter for me as a kid, I remember that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but his partner, the other guy, I guess he

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must have done pretty well because he ends up being

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the police chief for Riggs and Murdoch. No, that sign

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says Riggs, Yeah, but I don't give up. You don't

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have Miss Testmaker and Man of Steel either. No, you don't,

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Valet Perine. Oh my word, her cleavage caused the entire

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US military.

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Speaker 3: To fall apart at the end of Superman one, right,

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I mean the I dream of Genie Guy hit some

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five transferred over to the Army branch, and he was

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high enough in command to be solely responsible.

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Speaker 4: She literally lays down, shows her boobs, and he assumes

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control of nuclear weapon. I can remember.

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Speaker 3: It's so I have a he's ten years old right now,

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and this has been five years because he has been five,

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four or five years old, and I had Superman on

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a tablet of some kind and he was sitting with

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me and we're watching Superman for the first time and

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it gets to that scene she's in the green bathing

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suit and she's laying down and you know, her chest

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is just in her arms, and my four to five

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year old son pushes pause on the table.

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Speaker 4: It stops, stops going and goes dad, When I grow

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up and get married, I'm going to marry a girl

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like her, all right, Drell? Okay, So Durell.

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Speaker 3: We've got Marlon Brando, who we've talked about, and Russell

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Crowe from a Man of Steel. Marlon Brando was paid

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three point and there's some rough estimation on the figures here,

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but somewhere between three point five and three point seven

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million dollars for his performance in this which is less

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than twenty minutes long, and then got an absurd percentage

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on the back end of like eleven and three quarters

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and still sue to get more money. And then before

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they started shooting, he called and tried to convince Dick

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they could do a talking suitcase or a bagel of

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some kind, because nobody knows what Kryptonians really look like,

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so why not just use his voice. It's funny to

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listen to an interview with him about the amount of

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money that he was paid.

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Speaker 4: People pay what they deem.

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Speaker 3: Something is worth, and some things are worth more than others.

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Speaker 4: Cars are worth more than.

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Speaker 3: Hula hoops, which I listened to it I laughed out

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loud just because of the idea. And then I watched

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the movie. I was like, oh, my gosh, there's actually

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hula hoops in his scene. Yeah, yeah, the hulo hoops

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that are keeping the criminals from escaping.

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Speaker 4: In fairness to him though. He's absolutely right, and he

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was the key piece to getting this done. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean certainly he had the star power

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to demand what he got, and you know, dig Donner

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and his interview says, I was really skeptical of the

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idea of paying Marlon Branda this much money, but once

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I started working with him, I realized, yeah, he's worth it.

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Speaker 4: Well what about Russell Crowe? Where are we with Russell Crowe? Okay,

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so I know you love Russell Crowe, love Russell. We've

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had this talk.

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Speaker 3: I didn't like him Gladiator, but I thought he did

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fantastic in this. I thought he was a compelling drill

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who was smart and active and had a plan, and

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he was great. He's great as a hologram.

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Speaker 4: This part was a little confused. I always have this

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the AI, you know, can they hear me? Can they

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understand me? Are they thinking? This whole thing is a

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little bit confusing to me? But I like both the actors.

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I just I don't know. I think you could almost

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make a case that Man of Steel, that you didn't

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really need all this stuff, that you could start with

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Clark on The Deadliest Catch.

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Speaker 3: Well, see, now that's an interesting comparison.

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Speaker 4: I've got that over here.

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Speaker 3: So when I watched Man of Steel, I was like, Wow,

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they are really spending a significant amount of time on

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Krypton here, right, You're getting a whole lot more story

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than you got with Superman.

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Speaker 2: I mean they.

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Speaker 4: Fleshed out the place.

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Speaker 3: You get a better understanding of why Zodd is rebelling

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against the people. You get a better trial scene. Durrell

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has an entire storyline that goes along with why he's

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doing what he's doing, has time to dive into the

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water and get the Codex to take I mean, this

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is I was like, wow, they must have spent like

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a ton of time. I looked, it's twenty minutes from

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beginning of movie until Krypton explodes in Man of Steel.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: And I thought they gave you so much more detail

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and depth in Man of Steel about what Krypton was

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like and why these characters were doing what they were

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doing than you ever got in Superman.

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Speaker 4: Did you know that that's roughly the same amount of

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time that the kid who fell off with the Niagara

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Phallas as he fell took about twenty minutes for Superman

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to get us act together and go rescue that kid.

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Speaker 3: And when he you know, after he appears, saves Lois

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Lane for the first time and thinks, think I'll shoot

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the rest of the night away fighting minor crime. And

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he confronts the cat burglar who's crawling up up the windows,

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and that guy starts to fall once again. Superman's got

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a time to smirk, shake his head. Oh well, I guess.

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Speaker 4: I'll zoom down and get him.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 4: I do want to throw in real quick Kevin Costner

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and Diane Lane as mol and Paul k can't I

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love what they did in this, absolutely love it.

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Speaker 3: With the Superman movies, you've got you get a very

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brief glimpse of Martha and Jonathan Kent. They have a

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great little bit where they discover him, and you have

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the falling truck, which I think will live in everybody's

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memory forever as the little kid lifts that truck up.

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Speaker 4: Note on that guy.

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Speaker 3: The guy's name is the little kid, you know, the

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little kid who's naked and then who's lifting up the truck.

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Speaker 4: His name is.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Smolensky and he is the only actor who has

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been in Superman one, Superman three, and Man of Steel.

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He was remember at Superman three where he gets into

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the photo booth and like it has pictures of him

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changing from Clark Kenton Superman.

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Speaker 4: He played the kid at the photo booth.

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Speaker 3: On that one, and then of course he's an adult

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now and so he played a communications officer and Man

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of Steel. And there's some sort of fan film that

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there is in development right now called Superman Versus Doomsday,

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and if it gets made, he'll be Lex Luthor in

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that he's bald now, so looks like it could go

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to looks Lex Sluthor. But what an interesting life that

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guy has to have had it so far. But back

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to moln Pap Kent, Jonathan and Martha Kent. You don't

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get much from him, I mean, especially mock Kent. You

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don't get much at all. She's just kind of there, yeah, homely,

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she's old man, she's a little silver headed old woman.

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You don't get much from her other than you know,

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I love you, don't forget, I'll never forget. But you

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got way different parenting in this one. Martha Kent is

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fan f fantastic.

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Speaker 4: I love her.

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Speaker 3: Diane Lane, you know she can pull off young and

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old very easily. I bought her being old enough to

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be his mom and then always beautiful. Yeah, she still

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still can pull off being very young as well.

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Speaker 4: And Kevin Costner does a great sort of Midwestern you know.

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I kept waiting for him to ask him if you

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want to have a catch.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's great, He's mister field of dreams, you know. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And people had a problem with Jonathan Kent when Clark

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Kent says, should I just have let them die?

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Speaker 4: Him saying maybe, but you've.

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Speaker 3: Got to have that in order to establish within Clark

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how critical the idea of people cannot know what you

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Speaker 4: I totally agree with that. I've heard the criticism. But

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I mean you and I have teenagers, John, I mean

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your kids are not teenagers yet.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, my oldest is twelve.

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Speaker 4: Okay, even if for a twelve year old to have

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godlike powers at that age and the decision making abilities,

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And Kevin Custner is, why is telling him let's let's wait,

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let's wait until you're ready to become the greatest being

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on this earth.

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Speaker 5: When people were making such a big deal out of that,

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it's a movie. Second of all, put yourself in that

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person's place. You get the portrayal of Manpa Kent is

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it's a kindly old farm couple and they've raised this

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boy to be their own and they you know, good

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Midwestern United States values and everybody. You know, it's all

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very pure, and it's all there's not a whole lot

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of complication here. And you put yourself in the character

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of what Jonathan Kent as a human would have been like,

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and I feel like, well, I can't imagine I would

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be any different, Like I would be a little paranoid,

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and I would be concerned that if I let this slip,

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somebody's taken my son away and they're gonna experiment on him,

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and they're gonna do all this other crazy stuff.

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Speaker 2: And not to mention, you.

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Speaker 4: Have people start asking questions about how you illegally adopted

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a child.

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Speaker 5: Right to me, I didn't have a problem with that.

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that the trailer and I remember having a discussion with

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and it might have been might have been Jeff, one

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of the other guys that's on the podcast with us

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sometimes we might have had a discussion about that and

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he was like, well, how do you feel about that?

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it's in a trailer, so it could be completely out

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of context. So let's actually watch the movie and see

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and he's like, that makes sense. And even watching the

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movie and that line, it's like, you know, should I

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should I have let them die?

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 5: Well, okay, So watching this as an audience member watching

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a movie, I can sit there and have the luxury

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of saying, oh, Jonathan, no, no, no, bad advice, bad advice.

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But as a person like if I'm living in this

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world and if that's me, I probably would say something

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like that. I might regret it later on and they're like, Okay,

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I've made a mistake.

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Speaker 2: Never mind. We don't let anybody ever die.

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Speaker 5: But in the moment when I've got a scared kid

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that's asking me questions and like you said, he's got

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this godlike power at age thirteen or whatever he was, yeah,

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i'd probably be a little freaked out too.

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Speaker 3: Another detail touch just you don't even notice it. I

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know this because I watched them behind the scenes when

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he ultimately shows Clark the spaceship that he came to

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Earth in. You get these extreme close ups of the

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desk behind him, and it's all his research on alien

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life and you know, extraterrestrial's UFO sightings, all of this.

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prepared for that tiny little scene that you don't even see.

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It's just kind of kind of crazy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, before we jump ahead, I did want to say

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one thing about Diane Lane's Martha Kent is. To me,

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that's and I'm fine with the kindly old Martha Kent too.

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I mean that's traditionally, that's how she's portrayed in nearly

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everything else. But this Diane Lane Martha Kent, like she

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stands up to Zod And if you're a mother who

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has raised this child and he eventually someday is going

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to become Superman, that's the Martha Kent that I would

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expect to see, like someone who You've got this alien

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in front of you that has ridiculous power. He's you know,

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there's a couple of other theres too. They've thrown a

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truck into your house and you're still going to stand

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up to the guy. Like to me that Superman's mom.

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Speaker 2: He has powers as.

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Speaker 6: We do, certainly, but oh, magnificent one. He is just

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one or you are three or four if accounting twice.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: In terms of the character of Non they've introduced him

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into the newer comics and he's got a much more

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tragic story. I think that his story in the newer

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comics is he was friends with Joel and he was

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a member of the Kryptonian Council, and he.

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Speaker 2: He was like lobottomized. Yeah, he was lobottomized.

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Speaker 5: And so every time, you know, Joel sees him up

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until the destruction of Krypton, like it breaks his heart

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because that was a very close friend of his. And

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so it's obviously got a little bit more of a

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backstory when when you add that piece into it. One

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of the one of the characters that I was hoping

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that we would mention but didn't get mentioned. He's only

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in the original Superman for one or two seconds. The

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actor's name, I believe is Bo Rucker, and he played

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the pimp in Superman.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 5: That's and I didn't want to I didn't want us

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to go beyond the actors and the characters without mentioning

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the pimp, because that is possibly the best line in

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the movie. And there have been times, and I love

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that my children have no idea what I'm quoting up

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until they see the movie and they're like, oh, so

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you didn't make that up. That's where you got that from.

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But there are times where if my kids will come

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in the room, they'll be like, Dad, this is what

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I'm wearing to church today.

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Speaker 2: Is this okay? Or or Dad, this is what I've

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got on? Is this all right? A lot of times

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I'll go say, Jim, that's a bad outfit, But that

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is the best.

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Speaker 5: I mean, just just and seeing that as a kid,

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that completely blew over my head of how funny that is.

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But as an adult and Christopher reeve his response to

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the whole thing, that is probably one of the most hilarious,

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like three or four seconds in the entire movie, because

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he does the whole revolving door thing, steps outside and

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the pimp says his line, say Jim, that's a bad outfit,

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and Superman just goes, excuse me, puts one finger and

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that flies away just like that. You could just have

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played me that four seconds and I would have said no, what,

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Superman's the greatest movie it's ever been.

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Speaker 2: That's all I need to see.

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Speaker 3: Young Clark in Superman movies was played by Jeff East. Now,

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when I watched these movies, I was like, holy cow,

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They've got a guy who sounds exactly like Christopher Reeve

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to play the young Christopher Reeve. I mean it doesn't

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look like in that much, but his voice is identical.

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No wonder they picked this guy. Yeah, so I was dumb.

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Chris Reid dubbed all those lines. Yeah, and they did

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it without Jeff East's knowledge. Now, Jeff East has been

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in a few other movies. Do you guys remember the

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old Tom Sawry movie with the red headed Tom Sawyer

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and Jodie Foster was He played Huck Finn in that movie,

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like a.

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Speaker 4: Big bet yoah, what's doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm good dubbing in the bottom of the much that's good?

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Speaker 3: Can we don't give a hoot a He was really

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upset when he saw the movie and saw that his

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lines had been dubbed over by Christopher Reeve. He didn't know,

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the producers didn't tell him that that was going to happen.

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He didn't know what was gonna happen, so he was

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a little irritated. And then another interesting story for him.

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they've got him kind of an absurd running thing, but

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I loved.

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Speaker 4: It when I was a kid. His gait is a

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little strange, It is a little.

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Speaker 3: A little bit weird, but he they do that scene

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where he jumps in front of the train just at

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the last second, and they're using a real train, and

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he's that. He almost died at some point as they

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were trying to film this because one of the cables

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didn't do the like one of the cranes didn't do

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the right thing, and he swung back around and Richard Hackman,

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Gene Hackman's brother, who was the stunt guy on the scene,

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grabbed him before he swung back in front of the

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train and died.

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Speaker 5: Now, since you brought it up, that was one of

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the things that I really liked about. How Man of

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Steel handled the Young Clark Kent piece was yeh, And

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I thought it was a pretty It was a fresh

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take on it that I just had not seen before

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watching that and thinking, you know what, the way he's

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dealing with these powers and these sensations that he just

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can't understand. It really reminded me of you know, a

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lot of times when a student will get diagnosed with

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some kind of a learning disability or whatever it might be,

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and I thought, you know, what is that the route

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that they're going to kind of take with this, is that,

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you know, what if we think of Superman as or

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what if we think of Clark Kent as he was

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a child that from the outside world he grew up

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with some kind of a disability like that would be

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an interesting take that I've never seen or heard of before.

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And just the way that you know his mom, you know,

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he panics because he you know, sees through his teacher,

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which would freak out anybody. I'm glad he didn't stop

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and be like pink. That would be pink.

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Speaker 2: The teacher says, that's all awkward.

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Speaker 5: But and then you know, he runs and locks himself

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in that closet, and then his mom has to come

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and kind of talk him through the whole thing. And

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he can hear all the kids making the comments about

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him outside the room, and the way she's just calming

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him down and trying to get him kind of back

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out of this panic that he's in I mean, I've

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seen students who actually do that. They just the world

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just overwhelms them so much. The sensory stuff that's coming

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in just gets to them so much that they just

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cannot They don't know how to process it.

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Speaker 3: His life is a lonely existence, and the story of

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young Clerk Kent in Man of Steel, I mean, really

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informs who he is as an adult. And even going

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back and watching the original Superman movies with Christopher Reeve,

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you get that loneliness as well. There's this scene where

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he's tried to get Lois to go out with him,

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and she won't go out with him, and then he

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tries to say hi to the guys in the hall

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as he's waiting for the elevator, and it gets ignored,

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and then he's just kind of standing there waiting on

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the elevator, and there's this sense of loneliness of this

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is what comes with being Superman. It's not you know,

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we all think, oh, gosh, I just want to be Superman,

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but there's this huge isolation that comes with the job

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that it's tough.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, though Superman as a strange child

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or a lonely man as a whole lot better than

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Superman as a stalker that you get in Superman Returns

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when he breaks into that person's house. And I mean,

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if you've got super Man as an intruder, you got

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a problem.

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Speaker 3: I'm bullying. I've got a full note on this one.

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Bullying is a huge part of this. And John, I

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feel like, and I could be totally making this up

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in my head, but I feel like you posted maybe

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an article a few months ago on kind of the

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notion of bullying and that sometimes it makes gets stronger.

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And Chris Rock's got a comedy specialist on Netflix right now,

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where like he finds out that they have a no tolerance.

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Speaker 4: Policy for bullying at his daughter's school and he's.

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Speaker 3: Like, I almost pulled her out right Then he says,

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bullies made me who I am, And so it's you know,

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bullying is a huge part of the backstory of a

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Superman in both movies. You get more of it in

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the original trilogy with the Smallville guy. What was that

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guy's name, Brad? What a slimee ball? But then in

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the Man of Steel when you get I mean, you

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imagine if you were able to hear every ugly thing

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that people said about.

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Speaker 5: You, right, what would that turn you into? If you

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had if you could hear everything in town? Yeah, and

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you heard every rumor, you heard every kid whispering about you.

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Speaker 3: That idea is what is the driving force behind the

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whole beginning story for Man of Steel. I mean, the

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whole story really for Man of Steel is this unspoken

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question for Clark, which is is humanity worth saving? Because

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you get Seen after Seen, where you've got humans being

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despicable followed up by humans doing the right thing. You've

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got the guy saving his life on the what were

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they doing on the boat?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Catch man?

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Speaker 3: You know, he saves his life and then he calls

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you know, these calls him a dumba. But this kind

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of means like, you know, even though he thinks I'm

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an idiot, he still saved me, which then leads to him.

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Speaker 4: You know, saving all those guys on the oil ricord.

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You've got the kids.

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Speaker 3: Being mean to him, and then his mom comes in

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and it's nice to him. You've got peace Ross being

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mean to him on the bus before Lana's nice to him,

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which leads to him saving Pete. Then you got the bully,

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you know, picking on him while he's reading Plato and

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00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:12,720
and who is it that shows up to be nice?

477
00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:15,839
It's Pete Ross who he's changed, you know, it's it's this.

478
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: You got, you got the guy at the bar later

479
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,680
on that throws the beer at.

480
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 3: Him, right, and the waitress who's you know, he's like,

481
00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:25,319
it's not worth it, honey. And then and then it

482
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,599
all culminates with Lois, who you know, she's going to

483
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,160
get the story.

484
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 4: She's going to get the story.

485
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:34,039
Speaker 3: She finally figures it out, but when she realizes what's

486
00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:36,359
at stake, she drops it. She doesn't let him go,

487
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,920
which then gives you those lines later on where he

488
00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:42,599
says thank you and she says for what and he

489
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,200
says for believing in me? And she said it didn't

490
00:23:46,279 --> 00:23:48,599
end up meaning very much, and he says it did

491
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:48,880
for me.

492
00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 2: That's she's She's the humanity that's worth saving.

493
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

494
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the whole question. And you talked about this

495
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,279
in your podcast, And this was a huge deal for me.

496
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:00,400
When I saw a Man of Steel the front time,

497
00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:03,519
I was kind of heavily into reading the Bible at

498
00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:06,240
that point, and so when I saw Man of Steel,

499
00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:09,880
I was like, holy smokes, there's a lot of christ

500
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,680
references in this in this movie, I was like, I

501
00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:15,519
learned about you know, that was Donner's intent, and you

502
00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:17,920
can see it in the Donner cut, but it was.

503
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:21,200
Donner says, nobody's going to put as many christ references

504
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,720
in as I will in a Superman movie, and ex

505
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:25,000
Tider says, hold my beer.

506
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that was My wife was surprised the first

507
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,400
time we watched she had never seen I mean it

508
00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:33,480
was several years ago now, but she had never seen

509
00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:36,319
the original Richard Donner Superman. And the first time we

510
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,799
sat down and watched it together, is she like part

511
00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:41,599
way through the movie, she goes, so, is Richard Donner

512
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:42,119
a Christian?

513
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:42,599
Speaker 6: Like?

514
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:45,319
Speaker 5: Is he like a pastor or something? Because there's a

515
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,960
lot of stuff in here, like, I mean, that's pretty

516
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,559
much straight out of the Bible. Is that like most

517
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:50,920
of the stuff Jory Elle is saying, I mean, it

518
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,480
really sounds like it's right out of the Bible. And

519
00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:55,359
I said, it's just that's just how they chose to

520
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:55,519
do it.

521
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 4: But the father becomes the son, yeah yeah.

522
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,599
Speaker 2: And with Man of.

523
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: Steel, well, he's thirty three years old at the point

524
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:05,079
that he's trying to decide whether to give up and

525
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,119
save humanity or not. He goes to the church and

526
00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:10,319
right behind him as he's talking to the preacher is

527
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,039
Jesus praying in the garden of Cassemone. I was like, Okay,

528
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,759
that's that is that is amazing, and I don't know

529
00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:19,680
how many other people are seeing what I'm seeing right now.

530
00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:23,640
And then of course at what he right after, Jorell

531
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,759
says you can save her, you can save all of them,

532
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,039
and he busts out of the ship and does his

533
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,119
nest plunge in the Jesus on the cross.

534
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 4: I was just like, wow, let me just make a

535
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,279
comment on the seat real quick. Yeah, we can compare uniforms.

536
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,000
But the original Superman movie, they wanted it to be darker,

537
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,880
but they had to make it louder because they were

538
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:48,680
losing them in the in the effects, like when they're

539
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,400
flying around at night. I liked how in Man of Steel,

540
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:53,720
you know they always talked about Superman flying around in

541
00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:58,160
blue underwear. In Man of Steel, well red underwear griefs right,

542
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:02,880
but actually takes off his battle armor and he's wearing

543
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,039
that blue suit underneath, and so it actually is an undergarment. Yeah,

544
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,240
which I think is really cool. Turns out it is underwear.

545
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,200
The I do like how it looked like a super

546
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:15,599
small like chain metal, like it was protective.

547
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:16,039
Speaker 7: Yeah.

548
00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:19,599
Speaker 4: I don't mean to steer us off course on the uniform.

549
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: But there's a great interview out there between Christopher Nolan,

550
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,759
you know, who is the producer on Man of Steel,

551
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,119
and Dick Donner, and he said he told Dick Donner, this.

552
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 4: Is interesting story. Number one.

553
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,519
Speaker 3: Christopher Nolan, of course grew up in England. He got

554
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:37,920
to go and see this set for Superman wanting when

555
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,920
he was like six years old. And then when he

556
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,880
he pitched his idea to Warner Brothers, he said, I

557
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,680
want to do for Batman what Dick Donner did for

558
00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:50,279
Superman back in seventy eight when he was pitching his

559
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,880
Dark Knight. But they note in that interview, you know

560
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,160
everything's done on green screen now, but back when they

561
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,839
were doing Superman, it was blue screen, right right, Well,

562
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,559
Superman's in a blue suit. How do you make him

563
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,559
not invisible? That was tough, like they had to go

564
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,640
through several different colors to finally find one that was

565
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,839
a blue that you could see that looks right, but

566
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,759
was not one that was going to make Superman invisible.

567
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,079
Speaker 4: Superman one in two. You've got to go back to

568
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,000
the seventies in real These are all practical effects, so

569
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:25,440
projection and wires and stuff like that. You know that

570
00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:30,000
the cape in Man of Steel is CGI yep.

571
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: I expect better matters from my guests.

572
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 5: Related to the Superman's suit itself, I was just a

573
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,240
little disappointed Man of Steel that he didn't tear that

574
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,440
emblem off and turn it into a cell phone ass

575
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,279
that he could throw at people.

576
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,599
Speaker 2: I was so looking forward to that, but it just

577
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,079
never happened.

578
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 4: The cell as the cellfen ass. Okay, so let's get

579
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,519
into that because a lot of people like to point

580
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:56,880
out that this even the family Guy had a little

581
00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:00,000
thing about this, how it was just a minor inconvenience

582
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,200
to none, didn't really do anything, and it wasn't based

583
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,480
in any comic book. It's just kind of a weird thing.

584
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:08,400
The selfane is. But that's not the biggest problem from

585
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,799
the Superman one and two movies. Can we get into

586
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,720
the reversal and the superkiss I'm ready to dive into

587
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:18,160
the Yeah. Okay, so I love Superman one and two.

588
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:20,640
I am going to defend Superman one and two, but

589
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:24,000
it has problems. So let's talk about number one, the

590
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,359
ending to Superman one, which was originally supposed to be

591
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,160
ending for Superman two. The time reversal. So they were

592
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,759
filming this movie. There's film two movies at the same time,

593
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,119
when they realized, man, we're running out of money and

594
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,759
we're not sure we're going to have enough money to

595
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,720
finish Superman two, So let's finish Superman one. But they

596
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,039
had this ending that they liked, and so they took

597
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,359
the ending that was supposed to end at Superman two

598
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,359
to put it at the end of Superman one. If

599
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:49,240
he flies backwards around the Earth, the Earth stops spinning

600
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:52,880
and actually starts being backwards, which causes time to reverse.

601
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,799
People at the equator are spinning at approximately two thousand

602
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,960
miles per hour, and if the Earth suddenly stopped spinning,

603
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,440
those people would continue to move at two thousand miles

604
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,480
an hour. So the reversing the Earth on its access

605
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,160
would kill tons of people and destroy the Earth. It's

606
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,680
not going to reverse time, but I'm okay with it.

607
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,319
Speaker 3: When I was a kid, I was like, oh, man, wow,

608
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,279
I can't figure out how he manages to go in

609
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,680
a circle around the Earth. About one hundred times in

610
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,680
a few seconds. But he can't get from one side

611
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,640
of the United States to the other in ten minutes.

612
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,799
Speaker 4: That he's got to Yeah, give both of the missiles.

613
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,079
I saw one of those. How it should have ended

614
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,759
things right right now?

615
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:36,359
Speaker 2: You can't catch both of those.

616
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:43,079
Speaker 5: Oh wait, now, there was something that I read a

617
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,240
while ago, and it actually made because this scene always

618
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,640
bothered me too, like the whole time reversal stuff. And

619
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,079
I will get into the time reversal piece of it

620
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,240
two because I think that's still a problematic way to

621
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,720
try to solve your problems. But this scene where he flies,

622
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,519
and I too have always kind of assumed, well, wow,

623
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,440
he flew fast enough that it turned the Earth backwards

624
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,319
and it reversed the rotation of the Earth. And then

625
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:08,720
I read something and the person said, well, what if

626
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:11,440
he's not actually exerting any kind of force on the Earth.

627
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:13,440
What if we're just seeing him fly so fast that

628
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:16,559
he's flying backward in time and we're seeing the Earth

629
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:19,640
turn backwards, because that's time turning backwards, not that he's

630
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,400
actually turning the Earth backwards. And I'm like, oh, well, okay,

631
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,680
I mean I guess I'm I'm feel a little bit

632
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,640
better about that. Then if we're just watching the Earth

633
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:30,240
rotate backwards because he's traveling back in time as opposed

634
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,720
to he's actually forcing the Earth to turn backwards, I'm like,

635
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:36,680
all right, well, I clearly didn't get that as a kid.

636
00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:37,960
Like as a kid, I was like, wow, he can

637
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:38,839
turn the earth backwards.

638
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,119
Speaker 2: That's pretty rare.

639
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 5: But I also know that you've got all kinds of

640
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,599
paradoxes when you deal with time travel, and so I'm

641
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,400
looking at that, I'm like, okay now as an adult.

642
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,640
As a kid, I was just like, all right, he

643
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,599
turned back time, we say Lois, everything all good? But

644
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,200
then I'm also thinking about it now as an adult,

645
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,720
I'm like, oh, wait a minute. If he turned back time,

646
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,279
then did he catch the missiles? And where is he

647
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,720
when the what if? Wait a minute now, okay, so

648
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:04,519
where is current Superman when he's turning back the time?

649
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:06,279
Did he catch the missiles? And how could he still

650
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:07,400
get back to where Lois was?

651
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: And was she wait? How is she? Okay? Now? Because

652
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,160
if he.

653
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 5: Turned back time, the missiles would still have hit because

654
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,920
he didn't go stop the missiles earlier. As an adult,

655
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,519
if somebody were to do that now in a movie,

656
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,079
I'd be like, all right, that's kind of a cheap

657
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:18,920
way to undo everything.

658
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:20,839
Speaker 4: It's cheap. But I don't think it's as cheap as

659
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,720
the amnesia kiss.

660
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, that yeah, that's it.

661
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:28,319
Speaker 4: Okay, let's talk about Okay, the super kiss is an

662
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,519
underrated superpower. All right, I am telling you. If they're

663
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:39,480
so underrated, it's non existent men in this world. Let's again.

664
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,359
I know every man alive would like the power to

665
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,279
fly and have X rayvation. I want to start answering

666
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:47,920
that question that way. Now, Hey, if you could have

667
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,119
any superpower, what would it be amnesia kiss? That's what

668
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,839
I'm thinking. If you could have a relationship and then

669
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:58,359
be able to superkiss your way out of that relationship,

670
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:02,519
those are pretty good superpower. Yeah, but I told I

671
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:04,519
told you this yesterday. At the end of the movie

672
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,200
Weird Science, when Lisa causes Gary's dad to forget that

673
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:10,359
she was over there because she's appting a little bit

674
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:11,920
too hard. What if you kiss the girl a little

675
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,920
bit too hard? What if he kissed Lois too hard?

676
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,480
And now she has no recollection at who Clark is.

677
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,880
But that's not even the biggest problem with the movies,

678
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:19,920
very delicate thing.

679
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, when they get into the Fortress of Solitude and

680
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:25,839
all of a sudden there's eighteen different new powers that

681
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,880
we've never seen before, including stuff coming out of your finger.

682
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 4: What's to deal with the white beams?

683
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: I mean?

684
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:31,359
Speaker 7: Yeah?

685
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: And how does he how does he push the rays

686
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,799
to the outside that turned you into mortal man? How

687
00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:38,480
does that happen?

688
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:41,039
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna push real hard on the glass here

689
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:46,160
and everything will go out and I'll be safe inside. Okay,

690
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,960
So Superman two is easy to pick on, Yes, it's

691
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:50,559
it's very.

692
00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:52,519
Speaker 4: Easy to pick on. There's a lot of a lot

693
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,519
of lester things that you can just get. Well, that

694
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:55,599
was really dumb.

695
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,319
Speaker 2: It's also the most fun, right it is.

696
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: Well, but I'm gonna go ahead and pick on Superman

697
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:03,839
one at this point. I enjoy the camp I enjoy

698
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,039
the humor, but there are some things in Superman one

699
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:08,640
that I was just like, what just happened?

700
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: Just now?

701
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,359
Speaker 3: When Lex Luthor, in a matter of about a minute

702
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,960
and thirty seconds, not only figures out what kryptonite can do,

703
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:20,279
but where to get it by going around on his

704
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:26,240
four shelf bookshelf, it's absurd He's like, oh, well, you

705
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:29,279
know he said he's from another galaxy. Well, I think

706
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:32,920
he said that I was feeling that meteorite, which means

707
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,079
that a piece of his planet had to have hit Earth.

708
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,839
Speaker 2: No, no, that's not what happened. It's a really big universe.

709
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 4: And I'm going to go ahead and scoot on over here.

710
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:44,680
Pull out a book. Here's a guy with a meteorite.

711
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,519
Here's a picture.

712
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: I'll tear it out.

713
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,279
Speaker 4: You can look at it. We know where he is,

714
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,920
and how do we know that this is from crypto?

715
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: We don't.

716
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 4: We don't. I'm going to poke the bear and then

717
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:55,759
the oh my gosh.

718
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: And then somehow he makes it out there, picks up

719
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:01,799
his steals the because he steals it.

720
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,039
Speaker 4: From a museum. I know that that news report's going on.

721
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,119
Speaker 3: He steals it from the museum, then manages to make

722
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,079
it back in time to set all the stuff up

723
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:12,440
with the missiles, and then manages to make it out

724
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:15,559
to the area where the land deals are going on.

725
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,159
Speaker 4: It's just all I'm just like, oh, guys.

726
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,199
Speaker 2: Well, but I mean, he's the greatest criminal mind of

727
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:20,599
our age.

728
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 4: Looks luster how about you? The fect that he he

729
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:29,800
says where does he go Miss test Baker uh north

730
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:33,519
right north? So he wanders around vaguely until he finds

731
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:36,559
the Fortress of Solitude, and then when he gets there,

732
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,280
Superman spent at least was it twelve years from time

733
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,199
he was eighteen till the time he was about thirty

734
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,679
learning about Kryptonian history. It's a nice way to dodge Vietnam.

735
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,960
By the way, I'm just gonna hang out the Fortress

736
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,599
the Eyes Disco, but Lex Luthor shows up in about

737
00:34:54,599 --> 00:34:57,159
five minutes. He's got it all figured out right, the

738
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,639
crystals and all that stuff.

739
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,559
Speaker 5: Again, greatest crim the mind of our I think I

740
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,400
think you guys are really struggling with something you don't

741
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,400
need to struggle with. He's the greatest criminal mind of

742
00:35:06,519 --> 00:35:09,000
our age. That's all you need to know. It's like

743
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:10,800
the I don't know if you've seen lately, I've seen

744
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,920
people put up these gifts or this image on Twitter,

745
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,559
the meme for Batman being the Greatest Detective. Yeah, and

746
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,679
it's from the episode of when he was trying to

747
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,519
figure out the identity of the Joker and he's got

748
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:25,719
a picture of this like gangster that the face kind

749
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,719
of resembles the Joker. And he's but he's in like

750
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:30,639
a picture with like twelve other people and Batman in

751
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,000
the animated series. He takes this red marker and he

752
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:36,280
just draws a red smiley face the guy, and he's like,

753
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,920
that's the joker. I'm like, really that, you know, the

754
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:41,400
Great Dark Knight Detective. All it took was a red

755
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,280
sharpie for you to figure out who the Joker was.

756
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 4: But you know what that the super kiss is not

757
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:49,519
the biggest problem. The turning the time back is not

758
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:53,000
the biggest problem. Wandering around and finding the fortresssualty is

759
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:55,920
not the biggest problem. The biggest problem for me is

760
00:35:56,039 --> 00:36:01,760
when Clark trips over the bare head and falls into

761
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,679
the fire and reveals himself to be Superman. First of all,

762
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,960
Superman would kick that bear through the wall. I mean,

763
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:14,000
the fact that he would trip is ludicrous. And then

764
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,480
I mean he fights fights, fights Lois, and then he

765
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:18,880
reaches in and grabs the glasses real quick, and you know,

766
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,000
as soon as she confronts him, well you are Superman,

767
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:21,400
he just.

768
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:25,039
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, yeah, tell him sorry about almost letting you

769
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:27,960
drowned earlier. I'll just go ahead and pass up now

770
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,639
now that your life's not in danger at all.

771
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 4: The reveal is ludicrous, but the Donnor reveal was just

772
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,480
as bad. She pulls a gun on him. I'm like,

773
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:39,079
I feel bad for this guy. She fires at him,

774
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:41,800
which he then takes his glass off. Hey, I'm Superman,

775
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:44,719
and he's like, that was a really dangerous and risky

776
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,119
game for you to play. She's like, with blanks blanks, right.

777
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 3: Which then then you go, Okay, So Superman doesn't feel

778
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,599
bullets at all, gets shot.

779
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 4: There's no feeling whatsoever. There's got to be at least

780
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,920
a tickle. See if that was you, though, and somebody

781
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,079
pulled a gun on you and fired an actual gun

782
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,280
you're trying to seduce, you'd have to change your shorts.

783
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:10,639
The seduction would be over at that point. The reveal

784
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,760
is my biggest problem with these two movies.

785
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 3: Okay, we're moving into judgment stage here, so let's we've

786
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,559
talked about the problems with Superman one and Superman two.

787
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,639
Let's talk about problems with Man of Steel. Okay, Jason,

788
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,599
you have the floor.

789
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,559
Speaker 4: Okay. My biggest problem is when he executes Zod, the

790
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:32,199
killing of Zod, and I know that they try to

791
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,239
make the case compelling that he's going to X ray

792
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,920
vision these innocent civilians, and that's kind of Clark's last chance.

793
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what he has to do.

794
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 4: But for me, when I saw this movie in theaters,

795
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,400
I thought, man, I just I don't know if I

796
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,360
want Superman killing I don't know what you think.

797
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,159
Speaker 3: Well, he killed ZD and Superman two as well, and

798
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,639
just to just to draw the distinction here, at least

799
00:37:56,679 --> 00:38:00,599
he struggled with the decision a little bit steel and

800
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:03,639
when it happened, he cried out in agony, like, I

801
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:07,480
don't know, I've just killed the last Trypton Kryptonian member

802
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:09,079
of our Racey.

803
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:15,199
Speaker 4: Like how you say it, likerypt.

804
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't. He didn't smile and wink at him

805
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:16,320
before he threw him into the chasm.

806
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:20,639
Speaker 3: I mean it was in in Superman too, as he's

807
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,559
coming up and he's acting like he doesn't have.

808
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:24,159
Speaker 4: His powers, and he kneels down.

809
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: He has got the biggest frown I've ever seen in

810
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,960
my life, like I've got to hide what's about to

811
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:33,480
happen because I'm just gonna nails out so I'm gonna

812
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,400
look super super sad. And then he doesn't just kill him,

813
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,199
he crushes his fan and then throws him, screaming in pain,

814
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:44,800
down a bottomless pit.

815
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,039
Speaker 4: It's of the two deaths, I think the quick next

816
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:50,280
step is what I would choose.

817
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: So that was, you know, when Man of Steel came out.

818
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 5: I'm the person in my circle of friends that whenever

819
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,119
a Star Wars movie comes out, whenever a Superman movie

820
00:38:57,159 --> 00:38:58,920
comes out, people always like, go to me first, what

821
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,800
do you think? Right, you need to know what you thought,

822
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,360
because if you loved it, then that probably means it's

823
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,199
pretty good, and you know all this stuff. And so

824
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,639
I was like the first person people get into debates

825
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:08,559
with and they were like, oh, man, he just he

826
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,199
let the whole city get trashed, and Superman would never

827
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,599
do that, and you know and all that stuff. He's like, oh,

828
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:15,760
super he snapped his neck. He'd never you know, Superman

829
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,719
would never do that. I'm like, uh, if you have

830
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,760
read a Superman story, like there's times all the time

831
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,719
where somebody dies or or something happens like that, and

832
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,519
the exact same thing. When that came up, and people

833
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:28,400
are like, well, he is Superman would never snap his

834
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:31,679
neck like that, I said, well, have you watched Superman two,

835
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,159
because not only does he I mean, these people are powerless,

836
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,239
Like he has reversed this process, so these are It's

837
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,840
not like he's fighting a super villain in Superman two.

838
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:47,719
He's now fighting Disco Zod and Ursa and Non and

839
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,159
he's just letting them die. And I'm like that to

840
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,639
me now that I think about that as an adult.

841
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:53,280
As a kid, I was like, yeah, you go, Superman,

842
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,920
crush his hand, you do all this stuff, you know,

843
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,639
and wrong again Zod. And as a kid, I was

844
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:00,519
like this, it's awesome.

845
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: I love this.

846
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 5: He's finally getting back of these people. And I look

847
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,239
at that now and I go, that's really sadistic, Like

848
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:09,199
he could have if the guy can go catch a missile,

849
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:11,360
you know, if he can fly halfway across the United

850
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,480
States and catch a missile and then possibly fly back

851
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:15,239
and get the second one and be like, hey, I

852
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,840
got both of them, then I have a feeling that

853
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:23,000
super Superman could probably zip the what was it, fifteen

854
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:26,119
feet to go like, you know, catch Non before he

855
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:28,639
falls into the chasm. He could then zip the fifteen

856
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,400
feet to go catch Ursa. He could even let Lois

857
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,360
you know, do her thing and punch Ursa. Right, I'm

858
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,239
fine with that. But then he could go catch her

859
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,360
so she doesn't die and he doesn't have to throw

860
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,400
Zod into the thing and kill him. These are he's

861
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,519
killing humans. So that to me now as an adult

862
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:47,280
and kind of comparing those situations, that's way more problematic

863
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,119
for me when I actually think about how those villains

864
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,760
were done way with in that movie and knowing the

865
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,440
history of the comics, actually killing Zod in the comics

866
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,119
was something that defined Superman for many, many, many years.

867
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:01,639
There were moments in the Superman comics for the next

868
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,880
after two to three decades after the mid eighties, where

869
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,760
Superman would always bring that up. He's like, well, the

870
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,519
reason I don't kill is because I did kill Zod.

871
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,079
I executed Zod and his generals, and it tore me

872
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:14,039
up and it made me value life once I realized

873
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:16,079
what I had done, and there's always got to be

874
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:18,559
a better way. So that to me was that kind

875
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:21,440
of moment is what makes him, you know, it's it's

876
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,119
what's building that character, it's what makes him the Superman

877
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,760
that he will later become. And when that happened in

878
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,760
Man of Steel, I didn't have a problem with it

879
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,559
because I looked at that as You've got Superman who's

880
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,519
been I mean he's been raised on Earth. He's a civilian,

881
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:36,960
he's been raised on Earth, and he's fighting someone that

882
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:40,239
has the exact same powers he does with military training,

883
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,400
you know probably you know, self defense, military type training,

884
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:46,480
and so he's not going to have the same tactical knowledge,

885
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:49,079
the same kind of fighting skill, you know that. And

886
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:51,159
he's he's doing what he can. Like this is still

887
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:53,719
a very young super he's only been Superman for what

888
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,440
a day, maybe right, a couple of days, And so

889
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,039
I'm looking at that and I'm going, well, putting myself

890
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:01,079
in that shoes, Well, well, what I do in that situation?

891
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:03,639
If I saw a family about to get killed, this

892
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,920
guy who has basically said, you've wiped out all the

893
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,599
rest of my people, I have nothing left. I will

894
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:11,719
kill every person on this earth to get back at you.

895
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:14,800
So he said, I'm gonna murder everyone. I'm just letting

896
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,679
you know. I'm gonna murder everyone. And I look at that,

897
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,639
and I go put in that situation, I mean, I

898
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:23,960
would never kill anyone me personally, and like, no, I

899
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,320
would never kill anyone. But if you put me in

900
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,480
that situation, would I struggle with it, and if push

901
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:31,440
came to shove, would I snap the guy's neck to

902
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,320
save a group of other people, a family, and possibly

903
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,039
the rest of the earth.

904
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:36,079
Speaker 2: Yeah?

905
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 5: Probably, So that scene, it doesn't bother me. And what

906
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,039
bothers me more, and this is not necessarily the scope

907
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,800
of our discussion, but what bothers me more is that

908
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,119
we didn't get a Man of Steel two to be

909
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:50,880
able to explore that further. But no, that scene doesn't

910
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,519
bother me because I compare that now with Superman two

911
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,960
and I think, well, actually that seems more callous and

912
00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:00,719
a little bit more sociopathic than the event some Man Steel.

913
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,519
Speaker 4: You know, we we were talking about this. This has

914
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:06,440
been a few weeks ago. It had never even occurred

915
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,400
to me that Superman killed all three of those villains

916
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,960
and Superman two because I'm still looking at it through

917
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:21,360
a child's eyes. Apparently there's rumors of some cut out

918
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,480
there that shows that these criminals were arrested and taken

919
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,599
to jail. Yeah, I think that didn't you You did

920
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:29,840
some research on that, Like there was I saw it

921
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,039
that where they he arrested Lex Luthor. Right, the Arctic

922
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:37,920
police come in and arrest Lex Luthor. The Arctic Arctic

923
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,320
Police who happened to also get access to Fortress so Solitude.

924
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,840
I think Lewis called nine one one.

925
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 5: In the in the there's a super phone they have.

926
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,960
They have a little it's it's under a glass jar.

927
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,199
It's like what used to have you just you pick

928
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:54,920
up the glass jar. It's like a it's like a

929
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:56,559
you know, Kryptonian crystal jar.

930
00:43:56,639 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: You make the phone.

931
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 4: It's one of the things that he did in the

932
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,599
molecule chambers, called nine.

933
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: To one one.

934
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: But apparently the rumor that the three Kryptonian villains get

935
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,559
arrested and put in human jail is just that, it's

936
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:11,159
just a rumor.

937
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, but I will say this when we talked

938
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,960
about this, so and I'm moving in towards my final

939
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:20,679
judgment here, but after rewatching these Man of Steel is

940
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,760
better than I remember it being initially. Superman two is

941
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,079
worse than I remember it being originally. But at the

942
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,840
time Superman two did a great job of manipulating my

943
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,639
feelings as a little boy. Yeah, and I was telling

944
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:38,199
indeed that when he goes into the molecule chamber and

945
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:40,159
there's red on the outside rather than the inside, I

946
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:41,840
didn't catch that when I saw it in the theater,

947
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:44,840
and so when he starts crushing his hand, I'm like, wait,

948
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:49,679
what what And then I'm like yes, So that scene

949
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,119
charged me up. When los Lane punches out Versa that

950
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,920
I got fired up about that.

951
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 2: I was so excited.

952
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: We didn't touch on this, but this is a major

953
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:01,599
factor in what's going on in those scenes and how

954
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:05,199
you feel emotionally at the time of the death of

955
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:07,719
Zod and his hinchment with Superman.

956
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,079
Speaker 4: You've got John Williams.

957
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:16,119
Speaker 3: Score, which I mean, arguably the best superhero score in

958
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,440
all of history, right, And I will tell you that.

959
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:21,840
You know, I heard about Dick Donner coming in and

960
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,480
hearing this for the first time, and he said something

961
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:28,400
that that that gave me vindication because I will sing

962
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:29,960
Superman to my kids.

963
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,159
Speaker 4: Whenever we're putting it on in the car and I

964
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,760
go Superman, I mean, I love it.

965
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,639
Speaker 3: And but apparently that was exactly Dick Donner's reaction when

966
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:42,360
he heard William's theme for Superman was you are saying

967
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,000
it with the music, and it's fantastic. When he crushes

968
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:49,719
his hand, you get that score coming in with d

969
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,800
and you're like, yes, it's a victory. We've got the

970
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,199
victory theme, but when he's having to decide to kill Zod,

971
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,719
it's agonizing.

972
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:01,159
Speaker 4: You've got You've got.

973
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: Zimmer's intense, emotional, non automatic music just pulling at you,

974
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,400
and it's Yeah, it totally changes your perspective to where

975
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,480
you think, oh, gosh, this is horrible, this is a

976
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:17,559
horrible Superman's killing somebody. Well that's what they want you

977
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,440
to think, because it is horrible. It's just that in

978
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:23,920
Superman they made it funny and justified.

979
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:26,119
Speaker 4: And John I thought for a second the d was

980
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:29,559
going to sing can you read my line?

981
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: Yes? Definitely the most awkward moment.

982
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, horrible reading that Margaret Kidder did.

983
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

984
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 5: In terms of the music, I mean that since since

985
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,440
we're talking music, I have a really hard time with

986
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,320
this one. As I was as I was doing my

987
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,239
back and forth of all right, well, okay, you get

988
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,480
John Williams on Zimmer, let's go back and forth with it.

989
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:54,320
And then who did they replace John Williams with for

990
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,519
to ken Thorn? Yeah, And you know, I and I

991
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:02,840
spent the last few days I had my Spotify playlist

992
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,840
up and I just put I put all the soundtracks

993
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:07,159
together and I was like, I'm just gonna listen to this,

994
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,239
back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and

995
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:14,280
you know what, the John Williams you can't argue with that.

996
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,880
It's it's iconic, it is it is Superman. It's I mean,

997
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,559
that's been for ever since nineteen seventy eight Hans Zimmer score.

998
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:22,519
Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna do that.

999
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 5: When my son was really really little, still in his

1000
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,360
car seat, I'd put on like the planet Krypton.

1001
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: Theme from Superman.

1002
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,199
Speaker 5: And when it would when it would get to the

1003
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,800
point where it just crescendoed, he'd like, I'm not even

1004
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:35,800
gonna do it, right, but he'd like throw both arms

1005
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,480
up in the air, back in his car seat, and

1006
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:40,760
I was like, okay, I've raised you well. I really

1007
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,119
could just stop now because you know this has been successful.

1008
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:45,960
But you know you've got that, You've got the John Williams,

1009
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:50,440
you know, had that very kind of synthesizer, creepy, you know,

1010
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,800
the almost like the little the Kryptonian zod theme that

1011
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,840
got continued on through Superman to I will say though,

1012
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,320
that overall, as an entire movie, as an entire film,

1013
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,480
I think that the Hans Zimmer score did a little

1014
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,920
bit better job for me of filling in the filling

1015
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:14,360
in the atmosphere of that movie. Like if I look

1016
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,719
at the if I look at the original Superman and

1017
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,639
Superman to score, I can probably in my mind, I

1018
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:23,360
can probably pick out, oh yeah, there's like three pieces

1019
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,840
of music that I can remember, right, And that's if

1020
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,920
I ignore the can you read my mind part, which

1021
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:30,599
I'm constantly trying to do. I wish, I wish there

1022
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,199
was some kind of a super kiss that could get

1023
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:35,800
that one out of my mind. But then I think

1024
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,199
about the Hans Zimmer score and I'm like, Okay, is

1025
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,559
there anything in there that's as memorable as the Planet

1026
00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:45,519
Krypton theme as the John Williams Superman theme. No, but

1027
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:49,280
in the movie as a whole overall, that that fills

1028
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,320
that movie so much better than the John Williams score does.

1029
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: They did some neat things with Hans Zimmer's score musically,

1030
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,199
like he Superman, being as an American as he is,

1031
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,760
he wanted to take something that was a uniquely American instrument,

1032
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,119
which is the pedal steel guitar, which you typically hear

1033
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,159
in like bluegrass and country music. But he changed it

1034
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,199
in such a way that it becomes the string section,

1035
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,519
so you've got a really unique sound of those strings

1036
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,320
that you can recognize from from the Man.

1037
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 4: Of Steel score. And then on those intense scenes, it's

1038
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:29,880
all drums that and for that one we get like

1039
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,199
nine different drums, lie twelve of the world's greatest drummers, yeah,

1040
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,920
including Sheila e and Jason Bonham.

1041
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 3: And so he puts them in a he puts them

1042
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,840
in a circle, puts the microphone in the middle of

1043
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,599
the circle, and to give the effect of being surrounded

1044
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:49,039
by these intense primal drums.

1045
00:49:52,880 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 4: All right, So final judgment, I'm with Superman. I wanted

1046
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,199
too over Man of Steel.

1047
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1048
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: I got to say that after watching these movies again,

1049
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:11,519
I had the same reaction you did. I liked Man

1050
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,440
of Steel better than I did at the beginning, and

1051
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:14,320
I loved.

1052
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 4: It at the beginning.

1053
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 3: I gotta say Man of Steel is a better movie.

1054
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:24,000
It's plot structure is better, the character development is better.

1055
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,119
The setting for Smallville, the setting for Krypton, the struggle

1056
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:34,199
that Clark has are all better. And so as much

1057
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,679
as it pains me as much of a fan of

1058
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,320
the original movies as I am and was, Man of

1059
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,159
Steel is a better movie. Now I'll say this, Superman

1060
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,880
will always be Christopher Reeve to me, if you say Superman,

1061
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,760
that's the first thing that I want to think of.

1062
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,679
And he brought something that the character that Henry Cavill did,

1063
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,920
and Henry Cavill did a great job, and especially the

1064
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:00,440
moment that he's standing watching his father about to die,

1065
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,239
that is an emotionally moving moment for me and a

1066
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,400
fantastic performance. I had the same feeling I felt whenever

1067
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:12,159
Superman Christopher Reeve finds Lois dead and cries out.

1068
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,599
Speaker 4: Both of those were emotionally impactful performances.

1069
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 3: But whereas Christopher Reeve will always be Superman in my mind,

1070
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,239
I've got to say Man of Steel's better movie.

1071
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 4: John, Yeah, all right, I got a little bit of truth.

1072
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:35,079
Speaker 5: I almost wanted to pull in Eric Cartman that I

1073
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:40,400
hate you guys so much. Jason, you kind of you

1074
00:51:40,519 --> 00:51:42,760
reference or one of you guys referenced early on that

1075
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,360
in in my episodes I did where I talked about

1076
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,400
like the history of Superman and I did my ranking

1077
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,400
of it. I think I said that Superman one was

1078
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,840
number one for me, Man of Steel was number two,

1079
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,320
and Superman two was number three, and so having rewatched

1080
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,599
these movies, having talked it out with you guys here,

1081
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:02,760
having taking copious notes, you know, and scared my family

1082
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,519
because they thought I was turning into a serial killer

1083
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:07,719
with like all these composition notebooks full of tiny handwriting.

1084
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:10,320
I think I've come out the other side of this

1085
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:13,199
with James. I think I'm very much on the same.

1086
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:13,599
Speaker 2: Page you are.

1087
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 5: That nothing will ever replace Superman one and two for me,

1088
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,400
I mean, far and above, Christopher Reeve will always I

1089
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,719
always look at him and think Superman. Nothing can ever

1090
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,440
replace the times that I had, you know, watching these

1091
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,400
movies with my dad, with my family, and just the

1092
00:52:28,679 --> 00:52:32,440
memories that are attached with those. I love Superman one,

1093
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:36,320
I love Superman two. But that being said, some of

1094
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,519
the things that we've said here too, I think that

1095
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:40,679
Man of Steel, and I know that this is a

1096
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,599
this is an unpopular opinion because a lot of people

1097
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:44,679
don't like Man of Steel. Man of Steel has always

1098
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:47,800
been my favorite of the more recent DC movies, even

1099
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,400
including I think the Batman movies, the Christopher Nolan Batman movies.

1100
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:51,039
Speaker 2: I Man of.

1101
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 5: Steel is my favorite. I guess you wouldn't even call

1102
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,559
those DCEU because that was we weren't there yet. But

1103
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,280
it's my favorite DC movie of the last, you know,

1104
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,079
probably a couple of decades. And I think for some

1105
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:04,880
of the very similar reasons that it's just I get

1106
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,840
more backstory, I get more emotional involvement in the character

1107
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,400
of Clark, and the character of Superman, the character of Lois,

1108
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,480
the even the character of Zod. I have more of

1109
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,760
a emotional, visceral reaction to what's going on in this movie.

1110
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:22,159
I care more about these characters. Not that I didn't

1111
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:24,400
care about them when I was a kid watching the

1112
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:28,199
other ones, but it was very much. Sometimes it's the

1113
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,039
difference between Sometimes people that are like Marvel fans of

1114
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:32,000
DC fans will.

1115
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:32,599
Speaker 2: Make this distinction.

1116
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,639
Speaker 5: Marvel will say, well, our stuff is grounded in reality.

1117
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,960
We have our characters in Boston and New York and

1118
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,079
San Diego, whereas you guys made up towns like Gotham

1119
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:44,519
and Metropolis, and like, we're you know, our characters, we

1120
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:47,480
have a scientific reason why they have powers and and

1121
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,440
you know, so there's a difference between like your grounded

1122
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,800
explanation for superheroes and more of like your godlike legends.

1123
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,119
And I think that Superman and Superman two fall into

1124
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:03,280
that very comic book, eccentric, godlike legend of Superman. And

1125
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,639
there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, and I absolutely love

1126
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,360
that about those movies. But I think for someone who

1127
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,679
wants to dig into the story and understand why these

1128
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,760
characters are doing what they're doing, why does he become

1129
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:18,039
the Superman that we all know and love, Why does

1130
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:20,880
he fall in love with Lois? Who are the parents

1131
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,480
that raised him to think this way and to be

1132
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:26,559
this way? Who's the villain that just I mean almost

1133
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:30,119
perfectly matches with what he's struggling with at the time

1134
00:54:30,199 --> 00:54:32,360
in this movie and how he has to I mean,

1135
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,400
like we said, he is agonized when he kills Zod

1136
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,920
at the end, because all he's ever wanted is to belong.

1137
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:40,639
All he's ever wanted is to fit in. He's finally

1138
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,599
found his people, and he has had to kill the

1139
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:45,920
last of his other than himself, he's had to kill

1140
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,719
the last of his people, so he's had to completely

1141
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,800
destroy the one thing that he has wanted his entire

1142
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,440
life is just to fit in. And so I think

1143
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:56,159
for those reasons, I kind of I have to go

1144
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,800
man of Steel in this case, you know, But it's

1145
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,400
really it's really a struggle to say that, because it's

1146
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,320
just I love the other Superman movies so much, and

1147
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:05,960
you know, the next time I watch him, it might

1148
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,679
be like I might watch Superman again and be like,

1149
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,599
oh no, you know what, actually original Superman is number

1150
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:14,480
one again. You know, to me, I get more emotional

1151
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:17,719
involvement in Man of Steel. We get to see him

1152
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,119
develop as a kid. We get to see him develop

1153
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,159
as a hero. That's one of the things, even as

1154
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:25,360
a kid, one of the things that I didn't I

1155
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,039
understood the reason for it, you know, in trying to

1156
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:30,920
fit in like the biblical imagery that you would have

1157
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,519
a stretch of time where well, we don't know what

1158
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:34,800
happened to Clark in this stretch of time, you know,

1159
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,079
from eighteen to thirty. We don't know, Like he just

1160
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:40,119
disappeared for an amount of time and then he came

1161
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:42,559
back and started his for lack of a better term,

1162
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:46,920
started his ministry of being Superman. And you know, that's fine,

1163
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:49,960
and that's fine for that movie, but I'll take another

1164
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,119
line for the Bible. That was fine when I was

1165
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:54,639
a child, and now that I'm older, I put away

1166
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:57,840
a childish things and I want more explanation. I want

1167
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,880
more of that story. I want to know my care

1168
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,320
and I want to make that connection with them. I

1169
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,320
want to see a Lois that my Superman would fall

1170
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,639
in love with, that he would look at her and say,

1171
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,400
this is the humanity that I'm here to say, I will.

1172
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,480
I wanted to before we ended, I did want to

1173
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:17,760
pull these out that I love. This is this is

1174
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,119
the part I love about both of these movies. Is

1175
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,400
just the kind of ideal that this is trying to

1176
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,119
build up. And I love both of these speeches from Joel,

1177
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:28,880
and so I didn't want to, you know, skip being

1178
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,039
able to read these or take a look at these.

1179
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:34,159
And in his speech and the Fortress of Solitude, and

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he says, you know, live as one of them, Kellel.

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Discover where your strength and your power are needed. Always

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hold in your heart the pride of your special heritage.

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They can be a great people, Kelll, if they wish

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to be. They only lack the light to show the way.

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For this reason, above all their capacity for good, I

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have sent them.

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Speaker 2: You my only son.

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Speaker 5: And then I also wrote down the one from Man

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of Steel, and I just I love both of these,

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you know, Jorel says, you will give the people of

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Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you,

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they will stumble, they will fall, but in time they

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will join you in the sun. Cal in time you

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will help them accomplish wonders. And I think that's part

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of where I hit that difference is I love the

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speech by Marlon Brando Jorel, but I will say I

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teared up in the theater when I listen to Russell

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Crowe deliver that speech. They will race behind you, they

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will stumble, they will fall, but in time they will

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join you in the sun. And it actually comes from

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a Superman comic where it's a story in which Superman

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his life is coming to an end. He's actually going

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to send himself into the sun and that's going to

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be his final resting place. And so Joel's speech, and

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that's actually where a Man of Steel took it from

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his speech in that one is your work is done.

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You have shown them the face of the man of tomorrow.

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You've given them an ideal to aspire to, embodied their

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highest aspirations. They will race and stumble and fall and

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crawl and curse, and finally they will join you. In

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the sun cal el in time, you will no longer

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be alone. And I think that that like bringing that

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piece into Man of Steel, and just the way that

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speech is delivered and what that speech says like it's

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it makes me even now, like makes me emotional to

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think about that. You know, the father speaking that to

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his son, and that's that emotional piece. I get that

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emotional piece every time I watch a Man of Steel.

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I love Superman one and two, but I don't get

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the emotional connection to those. So I think for that reason,

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and just because of some of the other things we've

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said about how I think there's just more, there's more

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meat to Man of Steel.

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Speaker 2: I got to go Man of Steel.

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Speaker 4: The speech by Russell Crowe.

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Speaker 3: They used it for the trailer, and I can remember

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really distinctly when the trailers came out for Man of

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Steel before the movie came out, because the visual that

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you had and both trailers were the same, but in

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one you had that speech from Darrell and then the

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other one you have an admonishing speech from Jonathan Kent.

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Speaker 7: You have to decide what kind of man you want

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or grew up to be. Whoever that man is good

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character or bad it's going to change the world.

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Speaker 3: I can remember seeing those commercials and it is the

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scene from the movie where they're looking at nine year

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old Clark Kent and he's playing around in the yard

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and he's got a cape on and he you know,

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you see him stand up tall, put his chest out,

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put his hands on his hips in the.

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Speaker 4: Iconic Superman pose.

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Speaker 3: And I remember watching the first time, and I think

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my wife was next to me and I said, even Superman.

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Speaker 4: Wanted to be Superman when he was his boy. And

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that's the way it is. I think for all all.

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Speaker 8: Young men, it's that that ideal to strive for. We

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are always striving to be Superman. Okay, well I think

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that does it for this episode or all likelihood episodes.

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Speaker 2: John.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate you coming out and being with us

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01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,679
for all of these episodes. It's been great fun to

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have you and so inspiring to hear your input on

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01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,159
these great, great stuff.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for coming.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, thank you guys for having me out. I

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can't wait to I mean, obviously when this comes up

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in my feed, like I said, I jump to you

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guys first. I like block all of the podcasts. Got

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to find out what they're going to argue about this time,

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so I'll be looking forward to this one too.

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Speaker 4: Oh thanks man, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and to all our listeners, please, if you haven't already,

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them on Twitter at thirty Podcasts on Twitter. And is

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it the same on Facebook, John.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty much if you do three zero and podcast, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook.

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You know, there's probably something that's come out in the

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next three days that I'll sign up for. But yeah,

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thirty podcasts wherever.

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Speaker 4: Thank you all again.

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01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:57,159
Speaker 3: We're overwhelmed by the support that we've been getting for

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our podcast. We really love that you love we're doing

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and we're just going to keep on going as long

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as you're listening.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 4: We'd love to have a five star review, five star

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review for thirty seven podcast. We'll give you a big

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old fat superkiss.

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Speaker 5: We won't even give you amnesia, and then here and

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then you can go leave another one.

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Speaker 3: All music images and movie clips are used for the

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Use agreement under the US copyright law.

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Speaker 4: Come here and kiss your mom