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<v Speaker 1>Harry Harry Harry, start the court branch story three or four,

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<v Speaker 1>Watson County's no session, our Lord's grant Union presiding silences commanded.

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<v Speaker 2>That you maybe should jurors.

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<v Speaker 3>The beginning of every trial, the lawyers are afforded an

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to make a boot call and opening the statements,

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<v Speaker 3>and occurred recently a lot of people refer.

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<v Speaker 2>To it as an opening argument. It's not an argument,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an opening statement.

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<v Speaker 3>It's something it's it's not evidence in the case, but

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<v Speaker 3>rather it's something that's designed as an ad to the jurors,

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<v Speaker 3>for it gives each of the lawyers an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>give you an outlying thumbnail sketch. Sometimes it's referred to

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<v Speaker 3>as a roadmap, a worries going with the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Another way, it's sometimes.

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<v Speaker 4>Pictured it And I note that I know, thanks to

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<v Speaker 4>one of our court reporters, you have some jigsaw puzzles

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<v Speaker 4>back there in the jury room.

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<v Speaker 5>And if you kind of view the case as being

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<v Speaker 5>a jigsaw puzzle, and as the various witnesses come to

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<v Speaker 5>the witness stand, they give.

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<v Speaker 2>You various pieces of that puzzle.

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<v Speaker 3>But anybody who's ever worked on those puzzles, if you've

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<v Speaker 3>got that cover in front.

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<v Speaker 2>Of you that you can see what the whole picture

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<v Speaker 2>is supposed to look like.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a lot more helpful as far as putting those

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<v Speaker 5>various pieces together. The opening statement is that big picture,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's what the lawyers are trying to accomplish when

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<v Speaker 5>they make their opening statements.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, we have a certain order that we follow throughout

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<v Speaker 4>this trial, and as we've talked in jury selection, this

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<v Speaker 4>is kind of unique in terms of the order we

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<v Speaker 4>have here because in this case the defendant has the

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<v Speaker 4>burden of proof, and so throughout the trial.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the defendant who will always go first. And thus

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<v Speaker 3>mister Boyle has the opportunity of making the first opening statement.

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<v Speaker 6>Mister Boyle, leading part, mister McCann, Famara's wife, Ladies and

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<v Speaker 6>gentlemen of the jury, We now begin an odyssey, the

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<v Speaker 6>results of which, in a short period of time, will

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<v Speaker 6>result in a decision to be made by you and

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<v Speaker 6>you alone, as to whether or not Jeffrey Donner.

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<v Speaker 2>Did, at the time he committed.

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<v Speaker 1>These horrific murders to which he has pled guilty, whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not he was suffering.

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<v Speaker 2>From a mental disease, the result of which.

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<v Speaker 1>That he lacked substantial capacity to either appreciate the wrongfulness

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<v Speaker 1>of his conduct or to conform his conduct to the

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<v Speaker 1>requirements of law. It is very difficult for an advocate

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<v Speaker 1>not to be an advocate, not to argue, not to

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<v Speaker 1>try and convince it all stages.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot attempt to convince you of anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. The time for that to happen will come in

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<v Speaker 1>what's called closing argument, when I will say in closing

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<v Speaker 1>argument that as.

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<v Speaker 2>It relates to some.

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<v Speaker 1>One or all of these offenses, that I have proved

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<v Speaker 1>to a reasonable certainty by the greater weight of the

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<v Speaker 1>credible evidence that mister Dohmer was not responsible because of

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<v Speaker 1>this mental disease and the legal definition of insanity. As

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<v Speaker 1>I've said it, now, I know from having been with

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<v Speaker 1>you for the last three days, that we have a

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<v Speaker 1>jury here that is fresh, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Has an opinion and is going to listen to the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's very difficult for you to understand what the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of us understand, because.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been working on in this case for so many months,

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<v Speaker 2>and we.

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<v Speaker 1>Are here trying to tell you things for not any

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<v Speaker 1>other reason than the hopefully make you understand. As this

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<v Speaker 1>is progressing down the road, of evidence as to what

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<v Speaker 1>is happening in this courtroom, so you can say, good,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>If I were trying to explain to you the game of.

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<v Speaker 1>Football in order for you, who have just come in

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<v Speaker 1>from some place that never saw the game played, it

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<v Speaker 1>might take me hours, if not weeks, for you to

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<v Speaker 1>understand all the nuances. What I am doing here in

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<v Speaker 1>a very, very a brief period of time is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to lay out for you what I say.

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<v Speaker 2>I have accepted to be my burden, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>my burden, and I understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>So in that regard, what I want to do is

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you to completely disregard that long list of

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<v Speaker 1>witnesses that I read to you, because now that we're

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<v Speaker 1>at this point in time, certain decisions had to be

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<v Speaker 1>made by myself with the advice and consol of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who are assisted me, as to how this case

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<v Speaker 1>should proceed, and it really hasn't varied for a long

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<v Speaker 1>period of time.

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<v Speaker 2>But we had to name a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot of witnesses because at the last moment, if something

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<v Speaker 1>became important and we hadn't put that witness's name down, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Might be foreclosed. And that's why both mister McCann and

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<v Speaker 2>I have done what we've done, and I would.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to tell you how this case is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be proceeded before I get into some of the other details.

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<v Speaker 1>I anticipate and I know that the judge is going

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<v Speaker 1>to give you some general idea as to what mister

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<v Speaker 1>Dahmer pled guilty to the fifteen compass. You see, there

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<v Speaker 1>were seventeen homicides, but fifteen charged. The evidence is going

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<v Speaker 1>to show that the first homicide took place in a

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<v Speaker 1>place called Bath, Ohio in the year nineteen hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy eight, that the second homicide took place in Milwaukee,

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<v Speaker 1>but because of the nature of the homicide, it was

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<v Speaker 1>not a charge. Homicipen is going to be discussed. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be discussed. Everything's going to be discussed, but

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<v Speaker 1>that certainly is going to be discussed. The rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the homicides that took place took place in Milwaukee County.

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<v Speaker 2>You will be made knowing. You will be made known

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<v Speaker 2>about every aspect of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the person that's going to speak to you about

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<v Speaker 1>every aspect of it is Jeffrey Dahmer. But he is

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<v Speaker 1>going to speak to you through the members of the

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<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee Police Department. The first of who I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>summon as my very first witness, and that is the

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<v Speaker 1>detective and or detectives, dependent upon how they want to

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<v Speaker 1>split up the testimony, who are going to read a

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<v Speaker 1>very very very.

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<v Speaker 2>Long confession to you.

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<v Speaker 1>And this confession is going to have details that will

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<v Speaker 1>cause you to be uncomfortable, but I'm sure that you

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<v Speaker 1>will listen to the words for the purposes that you

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<v Speaker 1>must know all of this information because subsequent to this confession,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Dahmer talked to a lot of other people. He

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<v Speaker 1>talked to a full bevy of psychiatrists and psychologists and others.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason he did that was because every citizen

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<v Speaker 1>in this country has an absolute right to have it

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<v Speaker 1>investigated as to whether.

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<v Speaker 2>Or not when they did any act, any act, that

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<v Speaker 2>they were of sound mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to use these phrases sanity, sanity with

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<v Speaker 1>the clear cut understanding is.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister McCann brought to your attention, and as I have

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<v Speaker 2>brought to.

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<v Speaker 1>Your attention, that the legal definition for the purposes of

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<v Speaker 1>the criminal justice system of insanity is the one I

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<v Speaker 1>have just told you as the one I'm confident mister

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<v Speaker 1>McCann will remind you.

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<v Speaker 2>Of and as the judge will instruct you.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I use the word insane or insane, if

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<v Speaker 1>I use the word cookie crazy, all those words are

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<v Speaker 1>being used to portray a state of mind.

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<v Speaker 2>And I submit to you that the testimony that the.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctors will bring to your attention, all the doctors will

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<v Speaker 1>give to you a very sound, deep basis for you

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<v Speaker 1>making the ultimate decision. I am going to call into

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<v Speaker 1>this courtroom three doctors, two psychiatris, and one psychologist. Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Verlin of Johns Hopkins University, a PhD in psychology and

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor of medicine with especially in psychiatry, is going.

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<v Speaker 2>To testify in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to bring into this courtroom a doctor Carol Walstrom,

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<v Speaker 1>a psychiatrist, a doctor of medicine who's at Rush Presbyterian

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<v Speaker 1>Hospital in the field of psychiatry, who's.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to testify as to his opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to bring into this courtroom a doctor by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Judith Becker, a doctor of psychology who

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<v Speaker 1>is from the University of Arizona in Tucson, who is

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<v Speaker 1>going to come in and testify as to heroic as

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<v Speaker 1>to Jeffrey Dahmer's mental state at the time that he

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<v Speaker 1>committed these offenses.

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<v Speaker 2>But they are not the decision makers.

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<v Speaker 1>You are going to be the decision makers, and for

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<v Speaker 1>you to make those decisions, must and I am duty

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<v Speaker 1>bound to bring to your attention every single aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>mister Dahmer's life, of mister Dahmer's conduct, so that you,

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<v Speaker 1>when you make your decision, will be able to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I had the facts needed for.

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<v Speaker 2>Me to make a decision, whatever it may be.

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<v Speaker 1>I know because under the system of laws we are

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<v Speaker 1>forced to trade information with the other side that mister

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<v Speaker 1>McCann is likewise going to feel filled in this.

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<v Speaker 2>Courtroom super professionals who.

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<v Speaker 1>Are likewise going to give their opinions, and the court

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<v Speaker 1>will likewise have an expert that will testify in this court.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're going to be equipped when it's all over with,

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<v Speaker 1>with everything you need to know to make your decision.

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<v Speaker 1>And the purpose of this court proceeding is a search

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<v Speaker 1>for the truth. And in that regard, we must not

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<v Speaker 1>keep anything from you you're entitled to hear. We obviously

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<v Speaker 1>make tactical decisions so that you may make the proper decision.

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<v Speaker 1>On the night of mister Dahmer's arrest, a man by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Tracy Edwards was present with mister Dahmer.

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<v Speaker 2>The evidence is going to show that he was about

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<v Speaker 2>to be the next victim. Through fate, he did not

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<v Speaker 2>become a victim.

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<v Speaker 1>And the saga of mister Dahmer ended at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact began at that time. It was subsequent

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<v Speaker 1>to his arrest very shortly thereafter, as the police will

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, as Detective Murphy or Detective Kennedy will tell you,

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<v Speaker 1>that mister Dahmer confessed to all, to everything as best

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<v Speaker 1>he could under the constraints that he was placed in.

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<v Speaker 1>He gave a full and complete statement to the Milwaukee

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department, to the officers from Bath Ohio, to the

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<v Speaker 1>officers from the West Dallas Police Department, because in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>acts took place in West Allis. In one act took

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<v Speaker 1>place in Bath Ohio, And you're gonna hear every bit

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<v Speaker 1>of that. And I want to say unequivocally a number

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<v Speaker 1>of things that I think the evidence is going to

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<v Speaker 1>show this was not racial. The evans is going to

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<v Speaker 1>show after you hear the testimony of mister Dahmer as

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<v Speaker 1>told to the Milwaukee Police Department and as told to

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<v Speaker 1>the doctors, doctor Becker, doctor Wallstrom, and doctor Berlin that

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<v Speaker 1>mister Dahmer's obsession was to body form, not color.

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<v Speaker 2>It is also a.

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<v Speaker 1>Fact, as you know, that there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>homosexual tendencies here, and the obsessiveness of mister Dahmer was

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<v Speaker 1>clearly in the vein of fulfilling his sexual desires, which

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<v Speaker 1>happen to be of a homosexual nature.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not a case about homosexuality, so in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Regard, I would like to give you some ideas as

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<v Speaker 1>to what I think I'm supposed to be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious, Tod.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I am your servant, and I will

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<v Speaker 1>be for as long as it takes to try this case.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an advocate of my client's cause I'm an officer

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<v Speaker 1>of the court, but I'm a servant of.

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<v Speaker 2>The jury to bring to your attention that which you need.

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<v Speaker 1>So when it's all over with you say he did

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<v Speaker 1>his job for me, and I appreciate that. I am

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<v Speaker 1>not going to argue here. I have the greatest of

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<v Speaker 1>respect for the people who are sitting in the position

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<v Speaker 1>of the.

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<v Speaker 2>State of Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 1>A co worker with mister McCann at one time in

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<v Speaker 1>my life, a man of enormous, wonderful reputation as is

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<v Speaker 1>a staff.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not going to be a combat show. This

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<v Speaker 2>isn't you see. The case is over.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Dahmer has pled guilty to these fifteen homicides.

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<v Speaker 2>The case continues because.

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<v Speaker 1>Under the law, as I have said, we are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find out the mind of this man.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he evil or was he sick? And I use

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<v Speaker 2>that in a very shortened phrase.

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<v Speaker 1>Does he meet the definition of insanity as the law

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<v Speaker 1>will be defined to you for one sum or.

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<v Speaker 2>All of these.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tell you basically what you can expect

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<v Speaker 1>to learn from the witches about Jeffrey Dinerd.

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<v Speaker 2>That he is thirty one years of age. They was

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<v Speaker 2>born in Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 1>In his early life was very unremarkable, as the doctors

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<v Speaker 1>will t you, moving from this place to that place,

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<v Speaker 1>as his family.

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<v Speaker 2>Moved that when he was five years of age. She

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<v Speaker 2>had a brother who was born into the family.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Becker is going to start indicating certain facts that

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<v Speaker 1>she is going to use to support her opinion, not absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>but matters of interest.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't think it's my job to stand here

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<v Speaker 2>today and.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you every single fact that these doctors are going

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<v Speaker 1>to testify to. But I think it necessary for me

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<v Speaker 1>to give you a general understanding of Jeffrey Dahmer and

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<v Speaker 1>his life and his actions and his conduct to assist

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<v Speaker 1>you that when these doctors are testifying, there would be

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<v Speaker 1>a better flow in their testimony because you have some

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<v Speaker 1>idea of how the game has been laid out.

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<v Speaker 2>To be played in his courtroom. And I don't mean game.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean game in the sense that this is

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<v Speaker 1>not the most important matter that all of us will

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<v Speaker 1>ever probably be confronted with in our entire lives.

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<v Speaker 2>But we have to lay out the plan so as

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<v Speaker 2>to help you. And Jeffrey Dahmer was in eighth grade.

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<v Speaker 1>He started in doing some things of a sexual nature

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<v Speaker 1>that were really the embryo of as what the doctors

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<v Speaker 1>will testify. Remember I'm saying when I don't say that

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<v Speaker 1>doctors will testify as a given.

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<v Speaker 2>These are things that I learned from.

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<v Speaker 1>The doctors that the doctors are going to testify to,

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<v Speaker 1>not what I'm going to testify to that the police

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<v Speaker 1>Department has brought to everyone's attention through the confession of

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<v Speaker 1>mister Dahmer and statements mister Dahmer has made. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to find that when mister Dahmer was in eighth grade,

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<v Speaker 1>he started into a series of sexual movements, and they

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<v Speaker 1>took on the form of two things. He started masturbating

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<v Speaker 1>on a daily base, and the object of his fantasies

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<v Speaker 1>while engaged in that self abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Or self conduct, or whatever is called.

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<v Speaker 1>As the doctors will tell you where thoughts concerning young

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<v Speaker 1>men of his age, young boys of his age.

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<v Speaker 2>Will find.

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<v Speaker 1>You will find then the testimony and I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to say the testimony show or the testimony show, accept

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<v Speaker 1>that that's what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>That the testimonial show that even.

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<v Speaker 1>As an early teenager, he started becoming interested in bones

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<v Speaker 1>of dead animals. He would take him home, he would

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<v Speaker 1>bleach him, he would study them. None of this was

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<v Speaker 1>discovered by any members of his family. None of the

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<v Speaker 1>interests that he had were known to his family. The

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<v Speaker 1>doctors are going to testify that basically his early years

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<v Speaker 1>were unremarkable, no greatly different than most, but a few

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<v Speaker 1>things differ.

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<v Speaker 2>For it that they will tell you what you might

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<v Speaker 2>consider the import of that to be. It was when

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<v Speaker 2>he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Fourteen years of age, as he has told the parties,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm confident at this juncture. When Detective Murphy and

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Kennedy testify, you will get some understanding and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>be able to judge the credibility of Jeffrey Dahmer in

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<v Speaker 1>his dealings with all the parties concerned. But when he

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<v Speaker 1>was about fourteen years of age, he first came up

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<v Speaker 1>with the idea of using a corpse for sexual purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>He fantasized either having a corpse or a mannequin to use,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was at that time that he had his

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<v Speaker 1>first actual consensual homosexual encounter with ave a peer. He

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<v Speaker 1>discovered his homosexuality and accepted it. He will tell you

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<v Speaker 1>through the doctors he didn't understand. It caused him no

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<v Speaker 1>concern other than the fact that he realized what he was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was while he was in high school that this

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy of his doing things with dead things started showing

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<v Speaker 1>up when in a biology class he dissected a baby

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<v Speaker 1>pig and took the head home with them, took the

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<v Speaker 1>skin off, and kept the skull. Three doctors are going

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<v Speaker 1>to come into this courtroom and they're going to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>That their opinion is.

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<v Speaker 1>That Jeffrey Dahmer suffers from a mental disorder, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is called paraphilia without my trying to be a doctor

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<v Speaker 1>and defining it for you, except generally, paraphilia is an

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<v Speaker 1>arousal of a sexual nature to an inanimate object, a body.

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<v Speaker 2>Part, or a process.

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<v Speaker 1>And this paraphilia, there's all kinds of paraphilias. The doctors

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<v Speaker 1>are going to tell you about the different kinds of paraphilis.

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<v Speaker 1>But the paraphilia that best exemplifies the paraphilia that Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 1>Dahmer had, which they will claim is in their opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>a mental disorder, which they will state in Jeffrey Dahmer.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a mental disease.

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<v Speaker 1>Their paraphilia that they found was necrophilia, and necrophilia is

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<v Speaker 1>a disorder of the mind where there is a desire

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<v Speaker 1>to have sexual contact with dead bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they're going to say Jeffrey Dahmer was.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot more than that, but that's the mainstay

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<v Speaker 1>of his condition, was his desire for dead bodies.

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<v Speaker 2>They have sex with that.

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<v Speaker 1>By armed with that information here now I'm ready to

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<v Speaker 1>continue on in the chronology of Jeffrey Dahmer's life so

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<v Speaker 1>that you may understand how that embryo that may fit.

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<v Speaker 2>As the doctors will testify.

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<v Speaker 1>There came a time in nineteen seventy five or seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six that Jeffrey Dahmer's obsession with this sexual desire and

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy and obsession got to the point where he saw.

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<v Speaker 2>A man who lived somewhere in the general area where he.

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<v Speaker 1>Lived, running jogging. Every day he would see him jogging

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<v Speaker 1>down the road, and he became so attached to the

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<v Speaker 1>concept of having sex with this man that he went

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<v Speaker 1>home and he sought off a baseball bat so that

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<v Speaker 1>he could get on his bike and ride past the

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<v Speaker 1>man and hit him in the head with the baseball

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<v Speaker 1>bat and knock him out. So I was to take

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<v Speaker 1>him up into the woods and have sex with him.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what his quest was. And he put that quest

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<v Speaker 1>in the play and got on that bicycle and went

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<v Speaker 1>out to find this man. And thanks me to God,

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<v Speaker 1>the man had never jogged that way again, so it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't happen. But the doctors are going to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what that meant in the grand scheme of things, as

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<v Speaker 1>it is to the mind of Jeffrey Dunnod beginning when

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<v Speaker 1>he was about sixteen years of age, and this would

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<v Speaker 1>be in the years of seventy six, seventy seven, he

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<v Speaker 1>started collecting animals, always dead animals, and there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be testimony as to why that's significant. Never killed a

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<v Speaker 1>live animal, but would go on the roads and find

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<v Speaker 1>would kill dogs, other type of animals that have been

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<v Speaker 1>struck by powers, that were laying there, and he would

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<v Speaker 1>take him home, and he started having a fascination of

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to see what they look.

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<v Speaker 2>Like inside, and he would open them up.

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<v Speaker 1>One time he took off the head of a dog

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<v Speaker 1>and put it on a steak and hung it out.

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<v Speaker 2>So everybody could see it, primarily for shock value. This

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<v Speaker 2>obsession of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Dead animals and doing things with them started becoming something.

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<v Speaker 2>That became more and more into his life, into his head.

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<v Speaker 1>The way he conducted himself in high school will be

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<v Speaker 1>made known to you take it for what it's worth

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<v Speaker 1>and what it meant.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctors are going to be asked.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to be testifying to how a person who

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<v Speaker 1>starts acting like this at a certain age and is

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<v Speaker 1>now a thirty one can go on day in and

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<v Speaker 1>day out living what ostensibly.

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<v Speaker 2>Appears to be the kind of things that most people

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<v Speaker 1>Goes to work, eats eats food, goes out for dinner,

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<v Speaker 1>goes to the store. They're going to tell you what

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<v Speaker 1>that means in the mind of a Jeffrey Dahmer, whose

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<v Speaker 1>life starts taking on an obsession and a fantasy that

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<v Speaker 1>has so foreigned.

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<v Speaker 2>To us that we can't even comprehend it. But for

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<v Speaker 2>the next two weeks, we're going to be asked to

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<v Speaker 2>at least listen to it and try and.

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<v Speaker 1>Understand what it's all about. His home life changed a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>There was some problems in his mother and father's marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>There was an ultimate divorce. He was about eighteen at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. It was traumatic, and he became somewhat of

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<v Speaker 1>a rectress. He isolated himself, spent a lot of time alone,

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<v Speaker 1>started internalizing.

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<v Speaker 2>As the doctors would tell you, started.

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<v Speaker 1>Internalizing his feelings, and they'll explain that to you, internalization

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<v Speaker 1>means to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, as he.

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<v Speaker 1>Became a senior in high school, he started getting these

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts about going out and finding a hitchhiker.

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<v Speaker 2>And killing and having sections. That started to become.

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<v Speaker 1>His quest, the thing that he wanted to do, the

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<v Speaker 1>desire that was staying with him at all times.

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<v Speaker 2>After he graduated from high school.

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<v Speaker 1>There came a time in his life when because of

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<v Speaker 1>his family situation, he was alone and one night, to

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<v Speaker 1>the regret of the world at large, to the regret

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<v Speaker 1>of the victim, victim's family, mister Dahmer and his family.

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<v Speaker 2>The horror scene starts.

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<v Speaker 1>Driving around and he sees a hitchhiker, and a hitchhiker

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a shirt on. And Jeffrey Dahmer wants his body.

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<v Speaker 1>His body, that's his fantasy. The body, not the height,

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<v Speaker 1>not the age, not the color, the body. And he

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<v Speaker 1>picks up this hitchhiker and he takes him back to

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<v Speaker 1>his home and suddenly he picks up a barbell and

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<v Speaker 1>he renders the man unconscious, and he killed him. He

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<v Speaker 1>strangled him, he undressed him, and the evidence is going

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<v Speaker 1>to show that at that time, now having his fans

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<v Speaker 1>see a reality, he masturbated on the dead man's body.

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<v Speaker 1>Two days later, having hidden the body, he opened it up.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to see what it looked like on the inside.

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<v Speaker 1>He put the body in a bag, tempted to drop

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<v Speaker 1>it off, get rid of it, stop by the police

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<v Speaker 1>for traffic violation of some sort. Took the body back

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<v Speaker 1>because he was afraid it would be discovered, obviously, and

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<v Speaker 1>he hid it he separated the skull from that body

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00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:50.319
<v Speaker 1>and masturbated in front of it. Now, make no mistake,

432
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:55.119
<v Speaker 1>this is a sad commentary.

433
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you.

434
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I take absolutely no delight in telling anybody any of

435
00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:06.079
<v Speaker 1>these things. I tell them to you because you must

436
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:11.160
<v Speaker 1>know of these things. I grieve for the family of

437
00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:16.079
<v Speaker 1>mister Hicks. Anyone who doesn't believe that choose not to,

438
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:16.599
<v Speaker 1>but I do.

439
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:22.039
<v Speaker 2>But if I don't tell you these things, I should

440
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.079
<v Speaker 2>not be a lawyer in his courtroom. So I'm going

441
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:27.319
<v Speaker 2>to continue to tell you this horrific story.

442
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.319
<v Speaker 1>I also ask that if any time you're uncomfortable for

443
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:34.440
<v Speaker 1>any reason whatsoever, if any of you need a break

444
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>while I am talking for any reason, if you raise

445
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.000
<v Speaker 1>your hand, I'm sure the judge will take care of

446
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:43.519
<v Speaker 1>whatever situation there is, whatever discomfort is, and when then

447
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 1>we can take a short recess in conven on. I'm

448
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.960
<v Speaker 1>not suggesting because of the description. I'm just suggesting for

449
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:57.799
<v Speaker 1>any reason. After mister Dahmer finally succeeded in his first quest,

450
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot of other things started happening to him.

451
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Started drinking a lot.

452
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Testimony is going to show, he started crying about what

453
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>he had done, became very nervous, very high strung, and

454
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:20.319
<v Speaker 1>at that time, having graduated from high school, some career

455
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.319
<v Speaker 1>decisions had to be made, and follow Dan they were,

456
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and he went to Ohio State University, only to fail

457
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:28.279
<v Speaker 1>in the first six months.

458
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Failed because, as the doctors will tell.

459
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.400
<v Speaker 1>You, what he had done a few months before was

460
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>too haunting for him to concentrate on what he was

461
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be doing.

462
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:42.960
<v Speaker 2>So he escaped to the military.

463
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Speaker 1>And he escaped to the military and became a field

464
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>medic stationed in Germany and was there for a long

465
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 1>period of time, and there started coming into his life

466
00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:03.119
<v Speaker 1>a lot more ways of handling his fantasies, handling his desires,

467
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and handling his obsessions, and he got very heavy into pornography,

468
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:15.519
<v Speaker 1>He got very heavy into excessive masturbation to try and

469
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>stop these urges from growing, or at least put the

470
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.640
<v Speaker 1>lid on them, and he started drinking.

471
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:24.559
<v Speaker 2>An awful lot.

472
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.559
<v Speaker 1>Now, a lawyer in a courtroom is to present facts

473
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>and not have policy statements issued. This is not a

474
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:38.279
<v Speaker 1>policy statement on the pluses or minuses of pornography. That's

475
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.599
<v Speaker 1>not the issue here. What is the issue here is

476
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:44.759
<v Speaker 1>what effect it had on Jeffrey Dahmer one way or

477
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:51.119
<v Speaker 1>the other, and that will be discussed. And he came

478
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>out of the service. He went down to Florida to

479
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>try to live in that environment, that geographical change.

480
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.920
<v Speaker 2>But he didn't stay there very long, and he came

481
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.319
<v Speaker 2>back to Bath Ohio one time.

482
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I think the testimony is going to show. We're going

483
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>to talk about his troubles with the law. There was

484
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:15.279
<v Speaker 1>a drunken disorderly problem that he had in the state

485
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 1>of Ohio at about this time. Florida was not a

486
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:23.319
<v Speaker 1>pleasant thing. Coming back to Bath Ohio was not pleasant.

487
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:26.559
<v Speaker 1>And his first order of business about coming back to

488
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Bath Ohio was he had to get rid of that body.

489
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>He had secreted that body because he.

490
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Didn't know what to do with it. But when he

491
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.960
<v Speaker 2>came back, he got rid of it. He destroyed it.

492
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.400
<v Speaker 1>You're going to learn that Jeffrey Dahmer, in the performance

493
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:49.839
<v Speaker 1>of these horrific homicides, was in fact making what was

494
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:57.200
<v Speaker 1>human beings disappear into oblivion by destroying the very materials

495
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.119
<v Speaker 1>that made up the body, except for those parts he

496
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>wished to retain for his purposes.

497
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.839
<v Speaker 2>So he got rid of the body parts.

498
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>He smashed him up and got him into the woods,

499
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.960
<v Speaker 1>and then he left Bath, Ohio and he went to

500
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>West Dallas to live with his grandmother.

501
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:22.079
<v Speaker 2>His fantasy has never changed.

502
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:24.839
<v Speaker 1>They were ever present, as the doctors will tell you,

503
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:31.279
<v Speaker 1>as we have learned in this story, but he was

504
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>able to cap him off without destruction by utilizing things

505
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:42.839
<v Speaker 1>available to him, such as pornography, masturbation, and things of

506
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:43.480
<v Speaker 1>that nature.

507
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.920
<v Speaker 2>In August of eighty two, he was charged with and

508
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:49.599
<v Speaker 2>convicted of.

509
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:53.240
<v Speaker 1>Disorderly condic because he had exposed himself in former urination

510
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>at State Fair Park. He started to frequent sexually explicit

511
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:03.880
<v Speaker 1>bookstores for magazines, but he never approached anybody in those

512
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:09.920
<v Speaker 1>stores because of his personality, which was, as it will

513
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:11.880
<v Speaker 1>be testified, to quiet.

514
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:18.599
<v Speaker 2>Shy alone, he'll be showing it.

515
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:23.279
<v Speaker 1>He had no friends, as we understand that concept, and

516
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 1>as a result, he was very isolated.

517
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>The doctors will.

518
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Indicate during this period of time he was very depressed

519
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.319
<v Speaker 1>and lonely. Four and a half years after he had

520
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>killed mister Hicks in the mid eighties, violated the law

521
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.079
<v Speaker 1>again by a shoplifting charge where he took a jacket.

522
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Nineteen eighty three, he got a job at the Blood Center.

523
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:55.599
<v Speaker 1>His fantasies were such that he tasted blood while in

524
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the performance of that job, didn't like it, never did

525
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>it again. But the fantasy, the desire, the obsession. When

526
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.079
<v Speaker 1>we brought to your attention as to why he would

527
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:13.679
<v Speaker 1>do that period of time, thereafter, he continued to frequent

528
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:18.480
<v Speaker 1>these bookstars. His fantasy has stayed the same. Eighty three

529
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:22.079
<v Speaker 1>to eighty five, we have a period of life of

530
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:29.280
<v Speaker 1>attempt to control and control. He tried to change. He

531
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:33.159
<v Speaker 1>tried to cut down on his masturbation, got it down

532
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:37.719
<v Speaker 1>to a once a week occurrence. He started going to

533
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:43.679
<v Speaker 1>church with his grandmother. He started reading religious books. He

534
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:47.760
<v Speaker 1>tried to repress his fantasy, and he stayed away from

535
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:49.159
<v Speaker 1>pornography as best he could.

536
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:55.440
<v Speaker 2>He tried, got a job at a chocolate factory here

537
00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:55.880
<v Speaker 2>in town.

538
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:00.800
<v Speaker 1>And then something happened in nineteen eighty five that the

539
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:06.559
<v Speaker 1>doctors will tell you are is significant. Was significant because

540
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Dahmer, who was trying, was sitting in a.

541
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Library reading the book. And as he was reading the book,

542
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:19.559
<v Speaker 2>according to the reports.

543
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.440
<v Speaker 1>That he gives to the doctors to which the doctors

544
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 1>will testify, suddenly a sheet of paper in the form

545
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:28.679
<v Speaker 1>of a note was thrown into the book he was reading.

546
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.199
<v Speaker 1>And as he saw this young fellow walking away who

547
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.119
<v Speaker 1>had thrown the book the sheet of paper in the book,

548
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:42.280
<v Speaker 1>he opened it up and the words were meet me

549
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:49.119
<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom, I'll give you a blowjob. We now

550
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 1>have a critical moment in time where Jeffrey Dahmer, the

551
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:56.639
<v Speaker 1>man of many fantasies, is for.

552
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:58.639
<v Speaker 2>The first time propositioned.

553
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't fall, doesn't fall yet, but very shortly thereafter his

554
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:11.320
<v Speaker 1>control started falling. Apart the reading religious books, to going

555
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>to church, to trying to change your life around the

556
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:18.880
<v Speaker 1>control of the fantasies as best he could, and he

557
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 1>gave up, started going back to the video games, video rooms,

558
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:33.079
<v Speaker 1>see the pornography, started meeting people, started having sex, real

559
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:42.679
<v Speaker 1>sex with people in the desire to have his fantasies fulfilled.

560
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't that satisfying having sex with life people, but

561
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:50.559
<v Speaker 1>he did it to try and control. He started going

562
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:56.199
<v Speaker 1>to gay bars, and he started finding that he couldn't

563
00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:05.960
<v Speaker 1>stop following these desires. He had no relationship with anyone

564
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.199
<v Speaker 1>other than a fast, one night stand, one action stand.

565
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Then he started thinking, if I can keep them, they

566
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:26.280
<v Speaker 1>can't leave me. So he started thinking about drugging people.

567
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:31.679
<v Speaker 1>He started thinking about drugging people so that he would

568
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 1>have control over them and that they would have to

569
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.719
<v Speaker 1>do his bidding because they couldn't resist doing his bidding.

570
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:50.760
<v Speaker 1>He desperately wanted to have somebody remain with him, but

571
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:57.679
<v Speaker 1>in order to fulfill his fantasies. Having killed one fella,

572
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.920
<v Speaker 1>he tried to do a couple of things. He stayed

573
00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:06.840
<v Speaker 1>all night in Boston store one night till all the

574
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.360
<v Speaker 1>doors were closed, and he stole the male mannequin brought

575
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.039
<v Speaker 1>it home with them, thinking that this might be a

576
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:17.760
<v Speaker 1>way out for him of his fantasies. Grandmother found the

577
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:25.679
<v Speaker 1>mannequin and mannequin idea went didn't work. He started looking

578
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:28.599
<v Speaker 1>in the obituary section of the paper to find young

579
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:32.320
<v Speaker 1>people that might have died, and he went to various

580
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>funeral homes to see the remains, and he decided that

581
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:40.440
<v Speaker 1>he found one, and he attempted to go to the

582
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>cemetery to dig up that body, but he wasn't able

583
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:46.760
<v Speaker 1>to do it because the ground was so frozen, so.

584
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:47.719
<v Speaker 2>He had nobody.

585
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:58.559
<v Speaker 1>His sexual problems continued, and in eighty six he was

586
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 1>arrested for exposing himself in public. Eighty six starts to

587
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:09.719
<v Speaker 1>become a crucial year, as the doctors will tell you,

588
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:13.320
<v Speaker 1>because he bought a large TV in VCR and started

589
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:17.719
<v Speaker 1>buying very heavy pornal videos, and he started going to

590
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:21.599
<v Speaker 1>a lot of bath clubs, and his object was looking

591
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:26.199
<v Speaker 1>for the best looking guy, and then he would do

592
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.880
<v Speaker 1>is he would drug that person in those bath houses,

593
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:33.199
<v Speaker 1>the person he chose with a drug called Helsian, which

594
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:37.840
<v Speaker 1>he was getting prescribed to himself for his alleged inability

595
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:41.719
<v Speaker 1>to sleep, but he didn't use it. It was only

596
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:46.880
<v Speaker 1>to put others out so in their state he could

597
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:51.400
<v Speaker 1>control and fulfill the fantasies that had been in his

598
00:39:51.599 --> 00:40:01.679
<v Speaker 1>mind all this time. He would masturbate, in masturbate, and masturbate.

599
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:07.599
<v Speaker 1>When this was happening with these drugged peoples, he would

600
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:11.599
<v Speaker 1>engage in light sex with them, and then when they

601
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:15.559
<v Speaker 1>were out, he would do them as he saw fit,

602
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:22.599
<v Speaker 1>but not killing any of them. He never injured, at

603
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:26.639
<v Speaker 1>least by physical trauma, any of these men that he

604
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:29.559
<v Speaker 1>drugged up until this point in time that he met

605
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>at the bath houses. Part of the reason that his

606
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:37.679
<v Speaker 1>fantasy was such at it was taken on this course

607
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>is because when they were awake to engage in consensual sex.

608
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:50.920
<v Speaker 1>He was unable to perform for the most part. It

609
00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:56.360
<v Speaker 1>was only after they were unconscious that his performance level

610
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:58.119
<v Speaker 1>went to the point where.

611
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:01.159
<v Speaker 2>He was satisfied with it. He had to have that

612
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 2>in order to perform.

613
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Did this about ten to fifteen times and suddenly became

614
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:13.239
<v Speaker 1>pretty clear as to who was dropping the knockout bills.

615
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.920
<v Speaker 2>So he was barred from these bath clubs, no longer

616
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:17.880
<v Speaker 2>able to go there.

617
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 1>So he started taking mento hotel rooms, and we have

618
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.360
<v Speaker 1>a number of times seven, eight, nine, ten times where

619
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:36.039
<v Speaker 1>he would take consenting adults, go to a hotel and

620
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:39.159
<v Speaker 1>do whatever they do and then it would be over.

621
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.679
<v Speaker 1>He didn't hurt them, didn't drug them. This would be ended,

622
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:56.079
<v Speaker 1>but he would have no relationship thereafter. The world as

623
00:41:56.159 --> 00:42:02.679
<v Speaker 1>we know it to be started getting singed in November

624
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:08.840
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty seven when Jeffrey Dahmer started on a

625
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>killing spree. Since the murder of mister Hicks did not

626
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:18.519
<v Speaker 1>occur in the state of Wisconsin is a matter for

627
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the Ohio authorities.

628
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.039
<v Speaker 2>You're going to hear the name.

629
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Of mister Toomey, who is mister Dahmer's second victim, first

630
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>victim in Milwaukee County, but an uncharged homicide for reasons

631
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:41.760
<v Speaker 1>that will become clear the rest of the fifteen murders

632
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that took place after that. For the charge murders, he

633
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>met this gentleman and he took him to the Ambassador

634
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Hotel and it was agreed that they would have consensual sex.

635
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:59.840
<v Speaker 2>His intention was not to kill him. His intention was

636
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:01.800
<v Speaker 2>to drink and have sex.

637
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>And that took place, except that mister Dahmer and mister

638
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Toomey passed out from a very very strong rum that

639
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:18.960
<v Speaker 1>they were drinking one hundred and fifty proof from. When

640
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:23.199
<v Speaker 1>mister Dahmer woke up, he was laying on top of

641
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:33.920
<v Speaker 1>mister Toomey. Mister Toomey was dead, dead. A massive bruise

642
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:39.639
<v Speaker 1>was viewed by mister Dahmer, so he knows he killed him,

643
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:45.239
<v Speaker 1>but he didn't know when or how, But he knew

644
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.800
<v Speaker 1>this man was dead and he was now in the

645
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:51.039
<v Speaker 1>Ambassador Hotel.

646
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.840
<v Speaker 2>It's a dead body, having signed in for just the night.

647
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:00.679
<v Speaker 1>So he went down trying to figure out what he

648
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:03.320
<v Speaker 1>was going to do about this terrible problem.

649
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:07.000
<v Speaker 2>And he went down to one.

650
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Of the malls, bought a big suitcase, went back to

651
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the Ambassador hotel, signed up for another night, and in

652
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:21.480
<v Speaker 1>the stealth of the night, he put his body into

653
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:26.239
<v Speaker 1>this large suitcase called a cab and took it to

654
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:31.679
<v Speaker 1>his grandmother's house where he was living, put it down

655
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:34.039
<v Speaker 1>into a fruit seller and left it there.

656
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:37.119
<v Speaker 2>For a period of time.

657
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>And then one morning, while his grandmother was at church,

658
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:49.320
<v Speaker 1>he took the body out of.

659
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.800
<v Speaker 2>The suitcase.

660
00:44:54.599 --> 00:45:02.159
<v Speaker 1>And he slid it open, and he masturbated, and he

661
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.599
<v Speaker 1>removed the head and retained it.

662
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.840
<v Speaker 2>For a long period of time.

663
00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:16.239
<v Speaker 1>And his sexual fantasies that he had and his conduct

664
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 1>with that horrible thing that happened, will be the subject

665
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:29.039
<v Speaker 1>matter of some discussions by the doctors, doctor Berlin and

666
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>doctor Wallstrom, and doctor Becker will tell you when he

667
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:38.480
<v Speaker 1>woke up in the Ambassador Hotel, it was all over.

668
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:47.800
<v Speaker 2>As to Damer would continue to do this until it

669
00:45:48.280 --> 00:46:00.239
<v Speaker 2>was stopped. I am to tell you that his experimentation.

670
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:05.920
<v Speaker 1>On bodies started at that time, started boiling and bleaching

671
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the skull, and he saved the skull for at least

672
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.920
<v Speaker 1>a week, and he would masturbate on a few occasions

673
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.599
<v Speaker 1>before he disposed of the body, which he did in the.

674
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Cellar of his grandmother's house.

675
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.440
<v Speaker 1>By having the spillage through the sewer system, by smashing

676
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:25.599
<v Speaker 1>the bones, and by putting them in disposal bags and

677
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:35.760
<v Speaker 1>putting them in garbage cans. If I had my druthers,

678
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:41.519
<v Speaker 1>I would love to tell the story without mentioning anybody's name.

679
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:44.840
<v Speaker 2>But I can't do that.

680
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:50.280
<v Speaker 1>So when I mentioned the names of the victims, I'd

681
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 1>do it hopefully with a religious intonation, because they were

682
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:58.280
<v Speaker 1>the most unfortunate victims.

683
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Anyone can imagine that they had this happen to them.

684
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna ask.

685
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Mister the Fever to stand up here and hold up

686
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:15.400
<v Speaker 1>some cards to show you, as I will read down

687
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the names of these people as to when they died,

688
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:22.320
<v Speaker 1>so that you will understand, uh what I am.

689
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:24.800
<v Speaker 2>Uh I'm talking about. As I talk about, so you

690
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 2>come up and grabbing me for Christmas. The victims, and

691
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:50.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you.

692
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Can see it from there, and many of you stand

693
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:57.079
<v Speaker 1>up here, we have what is the victims of mister

694
00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Dahmer's murders.

695
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:00.719
<v Speaker 2>As I said to the first one was.

696
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:05.519
<v Speaker 7>The ter Stephen Hicks, who died in June twenty fifth,

697
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:06.719
<v Speaker 7>nineteen seventy eight.

698
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:12.320
<v Speaker 2>The second one, uncharged for the reasons that should be

699
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 2>clear there was no recollection of how it happened. Was

700
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the Rs S. Stephen twenty died in November of nineteen Uh.

701
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:22.320
<v Speaker 2>The that.

702
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:27.800
<v Speaker 7>The first charge murder is that of mister James Dodstater,

703
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:33.760
<v Speaker 7>a youngster born in nineteen seventy three, died in January

704
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 7>of ega.

705
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Mister Guerrero was the second victim, charge victim.

706
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:45.280
<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna say charge victim because we concentrate on those,

707
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:46.079
<v Speaker 1>because you're.

708
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Gonna have to make a decision on each one of

709
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:53.760
<v Speaker 2>which family was killed in March eighty eight. Mister Anthony

710
00:48:53.920 --> 00:49:00.039
<v Speaker 2>Sears was killed in March of eighty nine. If you so,

711
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I've talked and see that the difference in the turn

712
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.360
<v Speaker 2>of months that that was placed almost a year later.

713
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:11.000
<v Speaker 8>The next gentleman who was killed was the Raymond Smith

714
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 8>who died in May of nineteen ninety.

715
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:21.039
<v Speaker 2>He was also known as the GD Beach. Let's see

716
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:38.000
<v Speaker 2>July nineteen ninety h mister Edward Smith was killed and

717
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:41.519
<v Speaker 2>then two months later mister Ernest Snower what you call.

718
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:48.320
<v Speaker 8>I believe at this juncture, prior to this killing, uh,

719
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:49.800
<v Speaker 8>these were folks.

720
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:55.320
<v Speaker 2>From Milwaukee except Milwauk area, Except for that mister kids, how.

721
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.679
<v Speaker 1>He indicate to you that in preparations from my opening statement,

722
00:49:58.760 --> 00:49:59.679
<v Speaker 1>I do as much as.

723
00:49:59.599 --> 00:50:03.320
<v Speaker 2>I can to be accurate. I'm a fast Uh. I'm

724
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:07.079
<v Speaker 2>sure you're not that I hold me to every single thing.

725
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:09.559
<v Speaker 2>If I said something happened on a Tuesday that it

726
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:13.400
<v Speaker 2>might not happen on a Wednesday, that's not important, cause

727
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.719
<v Speaker 2>the evidence will tell you what the exact facts are.

728
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to give you an overlay.

729
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:19.960
<v Speaker 8>So if it's later it turns out that I was

730
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:25.519
<v Speaker 8>wrong on a name or a place, even that's my er, doesn't.

731
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Mean that I was trying any way to take advantage

732
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>of anybody by fooling.

733
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.079
<v Speaker 2>That's just superior if you just give me.

734
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:36.760
<v Speaker 1>The next gentleman was mister David Thomas, who was killed

735
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:38.639
<v Speaker 1>in October of nineteen ninety.

736
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:45.639
<v Speaker 8>And then in February of nineteen ninety one, and up

737
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:49.960
<v Speaker 8>to the end of this killing spree, what would victims

738
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:57.320
<v Speaker 8>number eight we find whole bevy of homicide camp Mister

739
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:03.079
<v Speaker 8>Slaughter dying on February ninety one, Mister Earl Lindsey died

740
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:08.079
<v Speaker 8>in April of nineteen ninety one, Mister anging Anthy hughes

741
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:18.920
<v Speaker 8>Uh a month later May of nineteen maybe, and.

742
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Then and then the same month the very very distressing

743
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.360
<v Speaker 2>matter of of mister tyrc and sisters as.

744
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Woman, the one that we were talked about oft times

745
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.719
<v Speaker 1>in the in the in the top mind of the judges.

746
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:38.960
<v Speaker 8>Jinger and a month later mister mac Turner. And it

747
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:45.079
<v Speaker 8>was a very short time thereafter mister Jeremiah Weinberg Uh,

748
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.800
<v Speaker 8>very short time after that of mister Alian Lacy, and

749
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.039
<v Speaker 8>very short time after that of mister Joseph's great home.

750
00:51:56.679 --> 00:52:00.800
<v Speaker 8>Then and Tracy Edwards incident that believe of the twenty third.

751
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Four days later. It thanks me to God at the

752
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:04.559
<v Speaker 2>end of the side.

753
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.639
<v Speaker 1>So with that in mind, as I spore through the

754
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:16.599
<v Speaker 1>last two days mentioning these human beings who became sacrificial

755
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.559
<v Speaker 1>lambs to mister Dahmer's fantasies, I do it with as

756
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:21.719
<v Speaker 1>much respect as I can.

757
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Muster up.

758
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:28.360
<v Speaker 1>He killed mister doc Stater, and he kept his body

759
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.119
<v Speaker 1>a week and he would lie with it, he would

760
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:37.039
<v Speaker 1>masturbate with it, he defleshed it, kept a skull.

761
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 2>His compulsion, the doctors will tell you, was in full swing.

762
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:51.519
<v Speaker 1>Sexual acts, as the doctors testify, were more erotic when

763
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:57.800
<v Speaker 1>the victim was dead. His fantasies were having a person comatose,

764
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:01.119
<v Speaker 1>and then after they died, having.

765
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Sex with them.

766
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:09.599
<v Speaker 1>He did not want them to leave. He wanted to

767
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:15.960
<v Speaker 1>keep them, as he did mister Guerrero. And then September

768
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:20.840
<v Speaker 1>of eighty eight he was arrested for a crime all

769
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.039
<v Speaker 1>of that is going to be explained to you in detail,

770
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:30.199
<v Speaker 1>involving a youngster, and he was prosecuted for that, successfully prosecuted,

771
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:34.320
<v Speaker 1>pled guilty to that, received a sentence with the hope

772
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:35.280
<v Speaker 1>of treatment.

773
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:40.280
<v Speaker 2>In a form of probation. And it never took.

774
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 1>It never took, as the testimony will show, because Jeffrey

775
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Dahmer did not want it to take. He did not

776
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:56.960
<v Speaker 1>want to stop what now had become his obsession, his fantasies,

777
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:58.199
<v Speaker 1>and his compulsions.

778
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:06.719
<v Speaker 2>While waiting to go to jail, he killed another man.

779
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:13.119
<v Speaker 1>During the time that he was in jail for approximately

780
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:17.679
<v Speaker 1>nine months, he was unable to carry out his killing spree,

781
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.079
<v Speaker 1>but he certainly didn't have it or get.

782
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:22.760
<v Speaker 2>It under control.

783
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:29.639
<v Speaker 1>He didn't want to give up these body parts that

784
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:33.000
<v Speaker 1>became so important to him for his purposes of his compulsion,

785
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:36.960
<v Speaker 1>so he went even before he had to go to

786
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:40.639
<v Speaker 1>jail and bought a barrel, a sealed barrel that he

787
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:45.840
<v Speaker 1>could keep so that he could retain these parts.

788
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:48.639
<v Speaker 2>That became so important to him.

789
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:53.519
<v Speaker 1>He went about the business of finding out how he

790
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:58.440
<v Speaker 1>could preserve these things so they would not deteriorate, these

791
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.519
<v Speaker 1>things that were so important to him. In his obsession,

792
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:07.679
<v Speaker 1>he would take things out and look at him and masturbate.

793
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:14.079
<v Speaker 1>He kept body parts, such as the genitalia he played with,

794
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:19.280
<v Speaker 1>heads painted him, colored him, the skulls of these poor creatures,

795
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and some he was able to go to work, and

796
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:29.679
<v Speaker 1>he kept them at his place of employment so he

797
00:55:29.719 --> 00:55:33.639
<v Speaker 1>could look at him while he was spending his nights

798
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:40.760
<v Speaker 1>in jail he was under supervision. He just flat out

799
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:47.440
<v Speaker 1>rejected it. He flat out rejected, as he has told

800
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and will tell you through the statements he made to

801
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:50.760
<v Speaker 1>the detectives.

802
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:56.719
<v Speaker 2>He did it. He didn't want it. He wanted to continue.

803
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:01.599
<v Speaker 2>He had an experience in.

804
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:04.320
<v Speaker 1>One day off that he had during his period of

805
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:09.639
<v Speaker 1>incarceration where he was victimized, where he became a victim

806
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:14.480
<v Speaker 1>but survived. Obviously the thing that was happening between him

807
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:18.400
<v Speaker 1>and another person. When he got out of the institution,

808
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:24.039
<v Speaker 1>he took his sixth victim. Now he started taking pictures

809
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:29.559
<v Speaker 1>showing the carnage that he was causing these people. As

810
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:36.519
<v Speaker 1>he was going along in this killing spree. He tempted

811
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:39.559
<v Speaker 1>to keep a complete skeleton, but was unable to do that.

812
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:42.239
<v Speaker 1>He didn't know how to preserve it. It called taxidermists

813
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:48.159
<v Speaker 1>to see how to do things like that. And then

814
00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:52.039
<v Speaker 1>we see Jeffrey Dahmer getting into some things that I'm

815
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:55.599
<v Speaker 1>sure the doctors and others will tell you of some interest.

816
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:56.400
<v Speaker 2>One way or the other.

817
00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Interpretation of these facts are going to be done not

818
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:03.400
<v Speaker 1>by me, but by the doctors. He started reading it,

819
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:07.960
<v Speaker 1>started watching some videos, and the first one that seemed

820
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 1>to really help him understand what he really wanted to

821
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:17.199
<v Speaker 1>be was something called the Return of the Jedi, because

822
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:20.320
<v Speaker 1>in that he saw and he started thinking that he

823
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:24.559
<v Speaker 1>was who wanted to be like a character, and that

824
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:28.239
<v Speaker 1>is the emperor who was portrayed therein this emperor who

825
00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:37.039
<v Speaker 1>had total control and power over subjects, subjects, meeting people.

826
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:43.000
<v Speaker 1>He would bring the victims to his place where he

827
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:46.920
<v Speaker 1>was staying before he killed them and make sure that

828
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:53.800
<v Speaker 1>they watched the same thing. He went so far as

829
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:58.760
<v Speaker 1>to buy yellow tinted contact lenses because The emperor in

830
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:02.440
<v Speaker 1>that movie had those kind of eyes that came out.

831
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Gave him a feeling of power.

832
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.360
<v Speaker 1>People commented that he looked good with those His eyes

833
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:15.280
<v Speaker 1>look good when he would go about the praying upon

834
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:19.559
<v Speaker 1>these taverns and other places where he could find his prey.

835
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:30.199
<v Speaker 1>He'd watch it time and time again his method of operation.

836
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:38.480
<v Speaker 1>His method of operation was to find a person who

837
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:47.280
<v Speaker 1>best fit his desire for body. The person with the

838
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:52.960
<v Speaker 1>body that he became obsessed with was his prey. Whoever

839
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:59.679
<v Speaker 1>fit that description of that body, that physique was in

840
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:04.400
<v Speaker 1>him arms way, if mister Dahmer could persuade that person

841
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:09.719
<v Speaker 1>to come back to his apartment to watch videos, to

842
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:13.559
<v Speaker 1>pose for pictures, and in fact, the incentive was that

843
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:18.599
<v Speaker 1>he would pay them for doing that. These men, these victims,

844
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:22.000
<v Speaker 1>were not all of that same sexual orientation.

845
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:24.920
<v Speaker 2>It's not a material fact.

846
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:31.760
<v Speaker 1>The material fact is that they were solicited and they

847
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:36.360
<v Speaker 1>were brought back with the avowed purpose that mister Dahmer

848
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:41.960
<v Speaker 1>was going to drug him up, take them from life,

849
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:52.760
<v Speaker 1>through dying, through death into death, to make them come

850
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:58.159
<v Speaker 1>back into life his life. By the way he would

851
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:02.840
<v Speaker 1>conduct themselves with them after they were dead, he ate

852
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:06.760
<v Speaker 1>body parts and the purpose of which, as he has

853
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:10.239
<v Speaker 1>expressed it, as the doctors believe it to be, so

854
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:10.880
<v Speaker 1>that these.

855
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Poor people he killed would become alive again in him.

856
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:25.960
<v Speaker 1>The doctors will tell you about this necrophilia, which they

857
01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:30.800
<v Speaker 1>will say in mister Dahmer was a mental illness, a

858
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:38.719
<v Speaker 1>mental disease of him on this program, this plan of

859
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:45.599
<v Speaker 1>taking people from life through death into death and retaining

860
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:47.719
<v Speaker 1>them after death to bring.

861
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Them back into himself.

862
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:55.760
<v Speaker 1>The retention of body parts, the keeping of these many skulls,

863
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.239
<v Speaker 1>came a time when the doctors will tell you that

864
01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:06.199
<v Speaker 1>he started maintaining these to build a shrine, and the

865
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:09.239
<v Speaker 1>shrine was a shrine to himself.

866
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:20.159
<v Speaker 2>And that will come out in the testimony. His experimentation with.

867
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:24.119
<v Speaker 1>These body parts, and these bodies and their body parts

868
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:29.199
<v Speaker 1>that he retained his mind boggling, mind boggling for us

869
01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:35.280
<v Speaker 1>to understand, to hear, to think about boiling skulls, to

870
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.599
<v Speaker 1>see whether or not that was a way of preserving them,

871
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:43.039
<v Speaker 1>how to dispose of these flesh that remained after his mutilation.

872
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Then there came a time.

873
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Where the killing is I've obviously became very clear, started escalating,

874
01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:59.559
<v Speaker 1>and his conduct in reference to these body parts started to.

875
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Escalat and it got so sad.

876
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:09.760
<v Speaker 1>That he started doing surgical experimentation on these poor souls

877
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:13.880
<v Speaker 1>before they died, so as they keep them from dying.

878
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:18.239
<v Speaker 1>But not because he cared, but because he wanted him

879
01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:23.519
<v Speaker 1>for his purposes. He wanted to create zombies, people that

880
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:24.800
<v Speaker 1>would be there for him.

881
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:29.599
<v Speaker 2>He would have.

882
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:38.960
<v Speaker 1>All kinds of sexual contact with the dead bodies, oral

883
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:53.159
<v Speaker 1>anal into the viscera, all kinds. He became.

884
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Enamored, overwhelmed, caught.

885
01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Up by a character in a movie called Exorcist three,

886
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:11.719
<v Speaker 1>And the doctors will tell you that the character that

887
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:19.280
<v Speaker 1>he became caught up with was Satan, because Satan was

888
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:26.119
<v Speaker 1>the personification of evil, and mister Dahmer felt that because

889
01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:30.400
<v Speaker 1>of what he was, what he had done, what he

890
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:35.159
<v Speaker 1>was doing, that there was no entity to relate to

891
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:44.480
<v Speaker 1>other than Satan. When he brought that youngster up, the

892
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:49.639
<v Speaker 1>one that we've talked about, Conor Rector, and the police

893
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:53.760
<v Speaker 1>went up in the next room in his bedroom, there

894
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:57.159
<v Speaker 1>lied the dead body of another one of his victims.

895
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:08.599
<v Speaker 1>Mister Dahmer persuaded those police officers that what he was

896
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:13.559
<v Speaker 1>doing was okay in reference to that young man, and

897
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:15.760
<v Speaker 1>that testimony is going to be made known to you

898
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:17.639
<v Speaker 1>and aired in this courtroom.

899
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:29.519
<v Speaker 2>I think it's important now for me to start telling you.

900
01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Some things that will bring my opening statement to some

901
01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:35.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of conclusion.

902
01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:42.159
<v Speaker 2>My role as an advocate.

903
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:49.559
<v Speaker 1>Is to convince you, based upon the greater weight of

904
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the credible evidence to a reasonable certainty, that this young

905
01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:55.960
<v Speaker 1>man was mentally ill.

906
01:04:58.000 --> 01:04:59.320
<v Speaker 2>I am his advocate.

907
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:07.199
<v Speaker 1>Nothing that I have said, can should might be interpreted

908
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:09.719
<v Speaker 1>as my believing other.

909
01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:18.159
<v Speaker 2>Than my obligation, my duty, and my desire to prove

910
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:20.599
<v Speaker 2>to you that he was mentally ill.

911
01:05:22.199 --> 01:05:26.280
<v Speaker 1>We are precluded in a courtroom, all of us lawyers,

912
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:29.360
<v Speaker 1>from telling you what our personal opinion is.

913
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:31.199
<v Speaker 2>It is not appropriate to do that.

914
01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:35.360
<v Speaker 1>I have said a lot of things about this young

915
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:41.639
<v Speaker 1>man that are so absolutely evil that one would have

916
01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:44.719
<v Speaker 1>to say, are you saying that he was evil? And

917
01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:49.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying to you that I accept the responsibility of

918
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:53.039
<v Speaker 1>proving to you that this was not an evil man.

919
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:58.519
<v Speaker 1>This was a sick man whose sickness rose to the

920
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:02.599
<v Speaker 1>level of mental illness. That he was suffering from a

921
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:06.920
<v Speaker 1>mental disease at the beginning of these killing sprees.

922
01:06:08.320 --> 01:06:11.519
<v Speaker 2>During these killing sprees, which mental.

923
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:14.679
<v Speaker 1>Disease, I submit to you, will be shown by the

924
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:19.400
<v Speaker 1>doctor's testimony to be growing and growing and growing to

925
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:25.559
<v Speaker 1>the point where he became absolutely unable to conform his

926
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:30.000
<v Speaker 1>conduct to the requirements of the law, and in fact to.

927
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Really appreciate, really appreciate what he was doing, the wrongfulness

928
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:36.679
<v Speaker 2>of his conduct.

929
01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:41.920
<v Speaker 1>That as this killing spree continued, along with this young man,

930
01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:44.039
<v Speaker 1>as you will get to know him through the doctors,

931
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:49.480
<v Speaker 1>this isolated person, not the one who is out in

932
01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:53.719
<v Speaker 1>the world, but isolated in his own mind, certainly isolated

933
01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:57.800
<v Speaker 1>in his private private life, who lives on his fantasies

934
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and who works out his fantasy was a mentally diseased

935
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:06.159
<v Speaker 1>human being, and as a result of.

936
01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:07.639
<v Speaker 2>It, he could not.

937
01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Have the capacity to conform to the requirements of law, until,

938
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:22.800
<v Speaker 1>in God's providence, Tracy Edwards escaped from his grasp and

939
01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:26.679
<v Speaker 1>the police came back, and it all unfolded. My purpose

940
01:07:27.800 --> 01:07:32.119
<v Speaker 1>is not the quarrel with mister McCann. My purpose is

941
01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:35.719
<v Speaker 1>not the quarrel with anyone. My purpose is to let

942
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you decide. Now that you've heard as much horror, it

943
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:42.920
<v Speaker 1>can't get any worse than this. There will be more details,

944
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:47.679
<v Speaker 1>but the bad part is over. It's as bad as

945
01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:51.920
<v Speaker 1>it can possibly be thought to have been. And I

946
01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:54.199
<v Speaker 1>don't want to walk down here and sit here and

947
01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:58.280
<v Speaker 1>say I'm making excuses for my representation of this human being,

948
01:07:58.320 --> 01:07:58.840
<v Speaker 1>because I am not.

949
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:03.599
<v Speaker 2>I am a lawyer. I have bringing into this courtroom,

950
01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:05.400
<v Speaker 2>and I know the ones.

951
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:07.320
<v Speaker 1>That the other people are bringing, the other sides are

952
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:12.960
<v Speaker 1>bringing in, and I will tell you, absolutely, unqualifiedly that

953
01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:15.119
<v Speaker 1>in this courtroom in the next two weeks will be

954
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:20.640
<v Speaker 1>the finest, the best this country has to offer to

955
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:25.840
<v Speaker 1>bring not only to your attention but whomever else is

956
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:33.800
<v Speaker 1>interested as to how this horrible, horrible tragedy could have

957
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:41.720
<v Speaker 1>occurred because of an effect of a human mind. Everything

958
01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:47.800
<v Speaker 1>we do is for you, those who are interested. The

959
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:53.479
<v Speaker 1>very very unfortunate victims, families who don't need my sympathy.

960
01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:55.760
<v Speaker 1>I can't ever make it right by them ever, no

961
01:08:55.880 --> 01:09:00.520
<v Speaker 1>matter what. But I am sensitive to it. And I

962
01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:04.399
<v Speaker 1>respect the State of Wisconsin for coming in and fighting

963
01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:08.640
<v Speaker 1>these charges because that's what they feel they should, just

964
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:09.439
<v Speaker 1>as I know.

965
01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:13.000
<v Speaker 2>I have to do what I'm doing, and I make

966
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:14.079
<v Speaker 2>no excuses for it.

967
01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:20.239
<v Speaker 1>When I get to talk to you again, it'll take on,

968
01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:25.159
<v Speaker 1>I think, a different type of type of statement, because

969
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:27.680
<v Speaker 1>then I'll be able to argue. I can't argue now.

970
01:09:28.760 --> 01:09:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I can only tell you what.

971
01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:32.520
<v Speaker 2>I know I have to do, and I can also

972
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:34.560
<v Speaker 2>tell you that I'm going to do it.

973
01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:40.199
<v Speaker 1>I am hopefully going to call a gentleman who's had

974
01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:44.319
<v Speaker 1>some law enforcement experience. It's allowed to do so as

975
01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:49.079
<v Speaker 1>we progress, so that you may hear some things about

976
01:09:49.760 --> 01:09:54.560
<v Speaker 1>how law enforcement finds things and people of this kind

977
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:57.199
<v Speaker 1>of mindset. But I won't say anything more than that.

978
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:00.199
<v Speaker 1>One of the biggest problems in an opening state. And

979
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:01.640
<v Speaker 1>if you say you're going to prove something you don't

980
01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:04.840
<v Speaker 1>prove it, A jury might say, well, he told us you,

981
01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:07.600
<v Speaker 1>he promised you something and he didn't come through.

982
01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:08.479
<v Speaker 2>I'll promise you this.

983
01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:13.439
<v Speaker 1>I'll promise you that I'm bringing in three great professionals

984
01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:18.159
<v Speaker 1>whose opinions are going to be disagreed with by others,

985
01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:21.960
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't make them wrong. You're the ones that

986
01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:26.039
<v Speaker 1>are going to have to make that decision. We all

987
01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:29.279
<v Speaker 1>came into this courtroom this morning because of the questions

988
01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:33.279
<v Speaker 1>you answered during the last few days with no opinion.

989
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:38.560
<v Speaker 1>You fourteen folks have no opinion, and you won't have

990
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:41.199
<v Speaker 1>an opinion until you hear everything. And I believe that,

991
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:43.720
<v Speaker 1>so I asked that you believe what I've told you,

992
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and if I have, if I've said things that are

993
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:52.000
<v Speaker 1>out of whack, if I misplaced something, the evidence you

994
01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:56.600
<v Speaker 1>hear is the barometer of that. If I've said anything

995
01:10:56.680 --> 01:11:00.119
<v Speaker 1>that's offended you, because I've telling you this story, I

996
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:02.800
<v Speaker 1>submit to you that there's no way you fourteen can

997
01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:05.319
<v Speaker 1>feel that way, because we all promised each other that

998
01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:06.840
<v Speaker 1>this is what I was going to do when.

999
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:09.159
<v Speaker 2>You were ready to accept it. And I appreciate that

1000
01:11:09.359 --> 01:11:12.439
<v Speaker 2>near candor, as.

1001
01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Soon as I sit down, as far as I'm concerned,

1002
01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:18.399
<v Speaker 1>you no longer exist. My job is to get information

1003
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:21.039
<v Speaker 1>out so that you may think about it, and then

1004
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:22.840
<v Speaker 1>in a final analysis, we'll talk about it.

1005
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:26.119
<v Speaker 2>And I thank you very much for your attention. At

1006
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:29.039
<v Speaker 2>this juncture, I will move it along quickly.

1007
01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Tracy Edwards, perhaps somebody from law enforcement, certainly remember Milwaukee

1008
01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Police Department or two. There will be three professionals in

1009
01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:44.039
<v Speaker 1>a form of two psychiatrists and one psychologists. And I'm

1010
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:46.560
<v Speaker 1>not going to stay and ask any more questions than

1011
01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I think you want me to ask. I'm not going

1012
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:51.359
<v Speaker 1>to keep them on and say the same thing over

1013
01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and over and over again. A jury individually and a

1014
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:57.159
<v Speaker 1>jury collectively is very bright, and I know I don't

1015
01:11:57.199 --> 01:11:59.439
<v Speaker 1>have to do that, so we'll get to the heart

1016
01:11:59.479 --> 01:11:59.920
<v Speaker 1>of the problem.

1017
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:01.880
<v Speaker 2>So you can get to the meat of the question

1018
01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:06.920
<v Speaker 2>and address it in a file analysis. Thank you, M.
