Speaker 1: Harry Harry Harry, start the court branch story three or four,
Speaker 1: Watson County's no session, our Lord's grant Union presiding silences commanded.
Speaker 2: That you maybe should jurors.
Speaker 3: The beginning of every trial, the lawyers are afforded an
Speaker 3: opportunity to make a boot call and opening the statements,
Speaker 3: and occurred recently a lot of people refer.
Speaker 2: To it as an opening argument. It's not an argument,
Speaker 2: it's an opening statement.
Speaker 3: It's something it's it's not evidence in the case, but
Speaker 3: rather it's something that's designed as an ad to the jurors,
Speaker 3: for it gives each of the lawyers an opportunity to
Speaker 3: give you an outlying thumbnail sketch. Sometimes it's referred to
Speaker 3: as a roadmap, a worries going with the case.
Speaker 2: Another way, it's sometimes.
Speaker 4: Pictured it And I note that I know, thanks to
Speaker 4: one of our court reporters, you have some jigsaw puzzles
Speaker 4: back there in the jury room.
Speaker 5: And if you kind of view the case as being
Speaker 5: a jigsaw puzzle, and as the various witnesses come to
Speaker 5: the witness stand, they give.
Speaker 2: You various pieces of that puzzle.
Speaker 3: But anybody who's ever worked on those puzzles, if you've
Speaker 3: got that cover in front.
Speaker 2: Of you that you can see what the whole picture
Speaker 2: is supposed to look like.
Speaker 5: It's a lot more helpful as far as putting those
Speaker 5: various pieces together. The opening statement is that big picture,
Speaker 5: and that's what the lawyers are trying to accomplish when
Speaker 5: they make their opening statements.
Speaker 4: Now, we have a certain order that we follow throughout
Speaker 4: this trial, and as we've talked in jury selection, this
Speaker 4: is kind of unique in terms of the order we
Speaker 4: have here because in this case the defendant has the
Speaker 4: burden of proof, and so throughout the trial.
Speaker 3: It's the defendant who will always go first. And thus
Speaker 3: mister Boyle has the opportunity of making the first opening statement.
Speaker 6: Mister Boyle, leading part, mister McCann, Famara's wife, Ladies and
Speaker 6: gentlemen of the jury, We now begin an odyssey, the
Speaker 6: results of which, in a short period of time, will
Speaker 6: result in a decision to be made by you and
Speaker 6: you alone, as to whether or not Jeffrey Donner.
Speaker 2: Did, at the time he committed.
Speaker 1: These horrific murders to which he has pled guilty, whether
Speaker 1: or not he was suffering.
Speaker 2: From a mental disease, the result of which.
Speaker 1: That he lacked substantial capacity to either appreciate the wrongfulness
Speaker 1: of his conduct or to conform his conduct to the
Speaker 1: requirements of law. It is very difficult for an advocate
Speaker 1: not to be an advocate, not to argue, not to
Speaker 1: try and convince it all stages.
Speaker 2: I cannot attempt to convince you of anything.
Speaker 1: Now. The time for that to happen will come in
Speaker 1: what's called closing argument, when I will say in closing
Speaker 1: argument that as.
Speaker 2: It relates to some.
Speaker 1: One or all of these offenses, that I have proved
Speaker 1: to a reasonable certainty by the greater weight of the
Speaker 1: credible evidence that mister Dohmer was not responsible because of
Speaker 1: this mental disease and the legal definition of insanity. As
Speaker 1: I've said it, now, I know from having been with
Speaker 1: you for the last three days, that we have a
Speaker 1: jury here that is fresh, that.
Speaker 2: Has an opinion and is going to listen to the evidence.
Speaker 1: But it's very difficult for you to understand what the
Speaker 1: rest of us understand, because.
Speaker 2: We've been working on in this case for so many months,
Speaker 2: and we.
Speaker 1: Are here trying to tell you things for not any
Speaker 1: other reason than the hopefully make you understand. As this
Speaker 1: is progressing down the road, of evidence as to what
Speaker 1: is happening in this courtroom, so you can say, good,
Speaker 1: I understand it.
Speaker 2: If I were trying to explain to you the game of.
Speaker 1: Football in order for you, who have just come in
Speaker 1: from some place that never saw the game played, it
Speaker 1: might take me hours, if not weeks, for you to
Speaker 1: understand all the nuances. What I am doing here in
Speaker 1: a very, very a brief period of time is trying
Speaker 1: to lay out for you what I say.
Speaker 2: I have accepted to be my burden, and that is
Speaker 2: my burden, and I understand that.
Speaker 1: So in that regard, what I want to do is
Speaker 1: to tell you to completely disregard that long list of
Speaker 1: witnesses that I read to you, because now that we're
Speaker 1: at this point in time, certain decisions had to be
Speaker 1: made by myself with the advice and consol of the
Speaker 1: people who are assisted me, as to how this case
Speaker 1: should proceed, and it really hasn't varied for a long
Speaker 1: period of time.
Speaker 2: But we had to name a.
Speaker 1: Lot of witnesses because at the last moment, if something
Speaker 1: became important and we hadn't put that witness's name down, we.
Speaker 2: Might be foreclosed. And that's why both mister McCann and
Speaker 2: I have done what we've done, and I would.
Speaker 1: Like to tell you how this case is going to
Speaker 1: be proceeded before I get into some of the other details.
Speaker 1: I anticipate and I know that the judge is going
Speaker 1: to give you some general idea as to what mister
Speaker 1: Dahmer pled guilty to the fifteen compass. You see, there
Speaker 1: were seventeen homicides, but fifteen charged. The evidence is going
Speaker 1: to show that the first homicide took place in a
Speaker 1: place called Bath, Ohio in the year nineteen hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy eight, that the second homicide took place in Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: but because of the nature of the homicide, it was
Speaker 1: not a charge. Homicipen is going to be discussed. It's
Speaker 1: going to be discussed. Everything's going to be discussed, but
Speaker 1: that certainly is going to be discussed. The rest of
Speaker 1: the homicides that took place took place in Milwaukee County.
Speaker 2: You will be made knowing. You will be made known
Speaker 2: about every aspect of it.
Speaker 1: And the person that's going to speak to you about
Speaker 1: every aspect of it is Jeffrey Dahmer. But he is
Speaker 1: going to speak to you through the members of the
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Police Department. The first of who I'm going to
Speaker 1: summon as my very first witness, and that is the
Speaker 1: detective and or detectives, dependent upon how they want to
Speaker 1: split up the testimony, who are going to read a
Speaker 1: very very very.
Speaker 2: Long confession to you.
Speaker 1: And this confession is going to have details that will
Speaker 1: cause you to be uncomfortable, but I'm sure that you
Speaker 1: will listen to the words for the purposes that you
Speaker 1: must know all of this information because subsequent to this confession,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer talked to a lot of other people. He
Speaker 1: talked to a full bevy of psychiatrists and psychologists and others.
Speaker 1: And the reason he did that was because every citizen
Speaker 1: in this country has an absolute right to have it
Speaker 1: investigated as to whether.
Speaker 2: Or not when they did any act, any act, that
Speaker 2: they were of sound mind.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to use these phrases sanity, sanity with
Speaker 1: the clear cut understanding is.
Speaker 2: Mister McCann brought to your attention, and as I have
Speaker 2: brought to.
Speaker 1: Your attention, that the legal definition for the purposes of
Speaker 1: the criminal justice system of insanity is the one I
Speaker 1: have just told you as the one I'm confident mister
Speaker 1: McCann will remind you.
Speaker 2: Of and as the judge will instruct you.
Speaker 1: So if I use the word insane or insane, if
Speaker 1: I use the word cookie crazy, all those words are
Speaker 1: being used to portray a state of mind.
Speaker 2: And I submit to you that the testimony that the.
Speaker 1: Doctors will bring to your attention, all the doctors will
Speaker 1: give to you a very sound, deep basis for you
Speaker 1: making the ultimate decision. I am going to call into
Speaker 1: this courtroom three doctors, two psychiatris, and one psychologist. Doctor
Speaker 1: Verlin of Johns Hopkins University, a PhD in psychology and
Speaker 1: a doctor of medicine with especially in psychiatry, is going.
Speaker 2: To testify in this case.
Speaker 1: I'm going to bring into this courtroom a doctor Carol Walstrom,
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist, a doctor of medicine who's at Rush Presbyterian
Speaker 1: Hospital in the field of psychiatry, who's.
Speaker 2: Going to testify as to his opinion.
Speaker 1: I'm going to bring into this courtroom a doctor by
Speaker 1: the name of Judith Becker, a doctor of psychology who
Speaker 1: is from the University of Arizona in Tucson, who is
Speaker 1: going to come in and testify as to heroic as
Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Dahmer's mental state at the time that he
Speaker 1: committed these offenses.
Speaker 2: But they are not the decision makers.
Speaker 1: You are going to be the decision makers, and for
Speaker 1: you to make those decisions, must and I am duty
Speaker 1: bound to bring to your attention every single aspect of
Speaker 1: mister Dahmer's life, of mister Dahmer's conduct, so that you,
Speaker 1: when you make your decision, will be able to say,
Speaker 1: I had the facts needed for.
Speaker 2: Me to make a decision, whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: I know because under the system of laws we are
Speaker 1: forced to trade information with the other side that mister
Speaker 1: McCann is likewise going to feel filled in this.
Speaker 2: Courtroom super professionals who.
Speaker 1: Are likewise going to give their opinions, and the court
Speaker 1: will likewise have an expert that will testify in this court.
Speaker 1: So you're going to be equipped when it's all over with,
Speaker 1: with everything you need to know to make your decision.
Speaker 1: And the purpose of this court proceeding is a search
Speaker 1: for the truth. And in that regard, we must not
Speaker 1: keep anything from you you're entitled to hear. We obviously
Speaker 1: make tactical decisions so that you may make the proper decision.
Speaker 1: On the night of mister Dahmer's arrest, a man by
Speaker 1: the name of Tracy Edwards was present with mister Dahmer.
Speaker 2: The evidence is going to show that he was about
Speaker 2: to be the next victim. Through fate, he did not
Speaker 2: become a victim.
Speaker 1: And the saga of mister Dahmer ended at that time,
Speaker 1: and in fact began at that time. It was subsequent
Speaker 1: to his arrest very shortly thereafter, as the police will
Speaker 1: tell you, as Detective Murphy or Detective Kennedy will tell you,
Speaker 1: that mister Dahmer confessed to all, to everything as best
Speaker 1: he could under the constraints that he was placed in.
Speaker 1: He gave a full and complete statement to the Milwaukee
Speaker 1: Police Department, to the officers from Bath Ohio, to the
Speaker 1: officers from the West Dallas Police Department, because in fact,
Speaker 1: acts took place in West Allis. In one act took
Speaker 1: place in Bath Ohio, And you're gonna hear every bit
Speaker 1: of that. And I want to say unequivocally a number
Speaker 1: of things that I think the evidence is going to
Speaker 1: show this was not racial. The evans is going to
Speaker 1: show after you hear the testimony of mister Dahmer as
Speaker 1: told to the Milwaukee Police Department and as told to
Speaker 1: the doctors, doctor Becker, doctor Wallstrom, and doctor Berlin that
Speaker 1: mister Dahmer's obsession was to body form, not color.
Speaker 2: It is also a.
Speaker 1: Fact, as you know, that there was a lot of
Speaker 1: homosexual tendencies here, and the obsessiveness of mister Dahmer was
Speaker 1: clearly in the vein of fulfilling his sexual desires, which
Speaker 1: happen to be of a homosexual nature.
Speaker 2: This is not a case about homosexuality, so in that.
Speaker 1: Regard, I would like to give you some ideas as
Speaker 1: to what I think I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2: I'm curious, Tod.
Speaker 1: First of all, I am your servant, and I will
Speaker 1: be for as long as it takes to try this case.
Speaker 1: I'm an advocate of my client's cause I'm an officer
Speaker 1: of the court, but I'm a servant of.
Speaker 2: The jury to bring to your attention that which you need.
Speaker 1: So when it's all over with you say he did
Speaker 1: his job for me, and I appreciate that. I am
Speaker 1: not going to argue here. I have the greatest of
Speaker 1: respect for the people who are sitting in the position
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: State of Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: A co worker with mister McCann at one time in
Speaker 1: my life, a man of enormous, wonderful reputation as is
Speaker 1: a staff.
Speaker 2: This is not going to be a combat show. This
Speaker 2: isn't you see. The case is over.
Speaker 1: Mister Dahmer has pled guilty to these fifteen homicides.
Speaker 2: The case continues because.
Speaker 1: Under the law, as I have said, we are trying
Speaker 1: to find out the mind of this man.
Speaker 2: Was he evil or was he sick? And I use
Speaker 2: that in a very shortened phrase.
Speaker 1: Does he meet the definition of insanity as the law
Speaker 1: will be defined to you for one sum or.
Speaker 2: All of these.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you basically what you can expect
Speaker 1: to learn from the witches about Jeffrey Dinerd.
Speaker 2: That he is thirty one years of age. They was
Speaker 2: born in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: In his early life was very unremarkable, as the doctors
Speaker 1: will t you, moving from this place to that place,
Speaker 1: as his family.
Speaker 2: Moved that when he was five years of age. She
Speaker 2: had a brother who was born into the family.
Speaker 1: Doctor Becker is going to start indicating certain facts that
Speaker 1: she is going to use to support her opinion, not absolutely,
Speaker 1: but matters of interest.
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's my job to stand here
Speaker 2: today and.
Speaker 1: Tell you every single fact that these doctors are going
Speaker 1: to testify to. But I think it necessary for me
Speaker 1: to give you a general understanding of Jeffrey Dahmer and
Speaker 1: his life and his actions and his conduct to assist
Speaker 1: you that when these doctors are testifying, there would be
Speaker 1: a better flow in their testimony because you have some
Speaker 1: idea of how the game has been laid out.
Speaker 2: To be played in his courtroom. And I don't mean game.
Speaker 1: I don't mean game in the sense that this is
Speaker 1: not the most important matter that all of us will
Speaker 1: ever probably be confronted with in our entire lives.
Speaker 2: But we have to lay out the plan so as
Speaker 2: to help you. And Jeffrey Dahmer was in eighth grade.
Speaker 1: He started in doing some things of a sexual nature
Speaker 1: that were really the embryo of as what the doctors
Speaker 1: will testify. Remember I'm saying when I don't say that
Speaker 1: doctors will testify as a given.
Speaker 2: These are things that I learned from.
Speaker 1: The doctors that the doctors are going to testify to,
Speaker 1: not what I'm going to testify to that the police
Speaker 1: Department has brought to everyone's attention through the confession of
Speaker 1: mister Dahmer and statements mister Dahmer has made. We're going
Speaker 1: to find that when mister Dahmer was in eighth grade,
Speaker 1: he started into a series of sexual movements, and they
Speaker 1: took on the form of two things. He started masturbating
Speaker 1: on a daily base, and the object of his fantasies
Speaker 1: while engaged in that self abuse.
Speaker 2: Or self conduct, or whatever is called.
Speaker 1: As the doctors will tell you where thoughts concerning young
Speaker 1: men of his age, young boys of his age.
Speaker 2: Will find.
Speaker 1: You will find then the testimony and I don't want
Speaker 1: to say the testimony show or the testimony show, accept
Speaker 1: that that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: That the testimonial show that even.
Speaker 1: As an early teenager, he started becoming interested in bones
Speaker 1: of dead animals. He would take him home, he would
Speaker 1: bleach him, he would study them. None of this was
Speaker 1: discovered by any members of his family. None of the
Speaker 1: interests that he had were known to his family. The
Speaker 1: doctors are going to testify that basically his early years
Speaker 1: were unremarkable, no greatly different than most, but a few
Speaker 1: things differ.
Speaker 2: For it that they will tell you what you might
Speaker 2: consider the import of that to be. It was when
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 1: Fourteen years of age, as he has told the parties,
Speaker 1: and I'm confident at this juncture. When Detective Murphy and
Speaker 1: Detective Kennedy testify, you will get some understanding and you'll
Speaker 1: be able to judge the credibility of Jeffrey Dahmer in
Speaker 1: his dealings with all the parties concerned. But when he
Speaker 1: was about fourteen years of age, he first came up
Speaker 1: with the idea of using a corpse for sexual purposes.
Speaker 1: He fantasized either having a corpse or a mannequin to use,
Speaker 1: And it was at that time that he had his
Speaker 1: first actual consensual homosexual encounter with ave a peer. He
Speaker 1: discovered his homosexuality and accepted it. He will tell you
Speaker 1: through the doctors he didn't understand. It caused him no
Speaker 1: concern other than the fact that he realized what he was.
Speaker 1: It was while he was in high school that this
Speaker 1: fantasy of his doing things with dead things started showing
Speaker 1: up when in a biology class he dissected a baby
Speaker 1: pig and took the head home with them, took the
Speaker 1: skin off, and kept the skull. Three doctors are going
Speaker 1: to come into this courtroom and they're going to tell you.
Speaker 2: That their opinion is.
Speaker 1: That Jeffrey Dahmer suffers from a mental disorder, and it
Speaker 1: is called paraphilia without my trying to be a doctor
Speaker 1: and defining it for you, except generally, paraphilia is an
Speaker 1: arousal of a sexual nature to an inanimate object, a body.
Speaker 2: Part, or a process.
Speaker 1: And this paraphilia, there's all kinds of paraphilias. The doctors
Speaker 1: are going to tell you about the different kinds of paraphilis.
Speaker 1: But the paraphilia that best exemplifies the paraphilia that Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Dahmer had, which they will claim is in their opinion,
Speaker 1: a mental disorder, which they will state in Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 2: Was a mental disease.
Speaker 1: Their paraphilia that they found was necrophilia, and necrophilia is
Speaker 1: a disorder of the mind where there is a desire
Speaker 1: to have sexual contact with dead bodies.
Speaker 2: That's what they're going to say Jeffrey Dahmer was.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more than that, but that's the mainstay
Speaker 1: of his condition, was his desire for dead bodies.
Speaker 2: They have sex with that.
Speaker 1: By armed with that information here now I'm ready to
Speaker 1: continue on in the chronology of Jeffrey Dahmer's life so
Speaker 1: that you may understand how that embryo that may fit.
Speaker 2: As the doctors will testify.
Speaker 1: There came a time in nineteen seventy five or seventy
Speaker 1: six that Jeffrey Dahmer's obsession with this sexual desire and
Speaker 1: fantasy and obsession got to the point where he saw.
Speaker 2: A man who lived somewhere in the general area where he.
Speaker 1: Lived, running jogging. Every day he would see him jogging
Speaker 1: down the road, and he became so attached to the
Speaker 1: concept of having sex with this man that he went
Speaker 1: home and he sought off a baseball bat so that
Speaker 1: he could get on his bike and ride past the
Speaker 1: man and hit him in the head with the baseball
Speaker 1: bat and knock him out. So I was to take
Speaker 1: him up into the woods and have sex with him.
Speaker 1: That's what his quest was. And he put that quest
Speaker 1: in the play and got on that bicycle and went
Speaker 1: out to find this man. And thanks me to God,
Speaker 1: the man had never jogged that way again, so it
Speaker 1: didn't happen. But the doctors are going to tell you
Speaker 1: what that meant in the grand scheme of things, as
Speaker 1: it is to the mind of Jeffrey Dunnod beginning when
Speaker 1: he was about sixteen years of age, and this would
Speaker 1: be in the years of seventy six, seventy seven, he
Speaker 1: started collecting animals, always dead animals, and there's going to
Speaker 1: be testimony as to why that's significant. Never killed a
Speaker 1: live animal, but would go on the roads and find
Speaker 1: would kill dogs, other type of animals that have been
Speaker 1: struck by powers, that were laying there, and he would
Speaker 1: take him home, and he started having a fascination of
Speaker 1: wanting to see what they look.
Speaker 2: Like inside, and he would open them up.
Speaker 1: One time he took off the head of a dog
Speaker 1: and put it on a steak and hung it out.
Speaker 2: So everybody could see it, primarily for shock value. This
Speaker 2: obsession of this.
Speaker 1: Dead animals and doing things with them started becoming something.
Speaker 2: That became more and more into his life, into his head.
Speaker 1: The way he conducted himself in high school will be
Speaker 1: made known to you take it for what it's worth
Speaker 1: and what it meant.
Speaker 2: Doctors are going to be asked.
Speaker 1: They're going to be testifying to how a person who
Speaker 1: starts acting like this at a certain age and is
Speaker 1: now a thirty one can go on day in and
Speaker 1: day out living what ostensibly.
Speaker 2: Appears to be the kind of things that most people
Speaker 2: would do.
Speaker 1: Goes to work, eats eats food, goes out for dinner,
Speaker 1: goes to the store. They're going to tell you what
Speaker 1: that means in the mind of a Jeffrey Dahmer, whose
Speaker 1: life starts taking on an obsession and a fantasy that
Speaker 1: has so foreigned.
Speaker 2: To us that we can't even comprehend it. But for
Speaker 2: the next two weeks, we're going to be asked to
Speaker 2: at least listen to it and try and.
Speaker 1: Understand what it's all about. His home life changed a lot.
Speaker 1: There was some problems in his mother and father's marriage.
Speaker 1: There was an ultimate divorce. He was about eighteen at
Speaker 1: the time. It was traumatic, and he became somewhat of
Speaker 1: a rectress. He isolated himself, spent a lot of time alone,
Speaker 1: started internalizing.
Speaker 2: As the doctors would tell you, started.
Speaker 1: Internalizing his feelings, and they'll explain that to you, internalization
Speaker 1: means to yourself.
Speaker 2: Then, as he.
Speaker 1: Became a senior in high school, he started getting these
Speaker 1: thoughts about going out and finding a hitchhiker.
Speaker 2: And killing and having sections. That started to become.
Speaker 1: His quest, the thing that he wanted to do, the
Speaker 1: desire that was staying with him at all times.
Speaker 2: After he graduated from high school.
Speaker 1: There came a time in his life when because of
Speaker 1: his family situation, he was alone and one night, to
Speaker 1: the regret of the world at large, to the regret
Speaker 1: of the victim, victim's family, mister Dahmer and his family.
Speaker 2: The horror scene starts.
Speaker 1: Driving around and he sees a hitchhiker, and a hitchhiker
Speaker 1: doesn't have a shirt on. And Jeffrey Dahmer wants his body.
Speaker 1: His body, that's his fantasy. The body, not the height,
Speaker 1: not the age, not the color, the body. And he
Speaker 1: picks up this hitchhiker and he takes him back to
Speaker 1: his home and suddenly he picks up a barbell and
Speaker 1: he renders the man unconscious, and he killed him. He
Speaker 1: strangled him, he undressed him, and the evidence is going
Speaker 1: to show that at that time, now having his fans
Speaker 1: see a reality, he masturbated on the dead man's body.
Speaker 1: Two days later, having hidden the body, he opened it up.
Speaker 1: He wanted to see what it looked like on the inside.
Speaker 1: He put the body in a bag, tempted to drop
Speaker 1: it off, get rid of it, stop by the police
Speaker 1: for traffic violation of some sort. Took the body back
Speaker 1: because he was afraid it would be discovered, obviously, and
Speaker 1: he hid it he separated the skull from that body
Speaker 1: and masturbated in front of it. Now, make no mistake,
Speaker 1: this is a sad commentary.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: I take absolutely no delight in telling anybody any of
Speaker 1: these things. I tell them to you because you must
Speaker 1: know of these things. I grieve for the family of
Speaker 1: mister Hicks. Anyone who doesn't believe that choose not to,
Speaker 1: but I do.
Speaker 2: But if I don't tell you these things, I should
Speaker 2: not be a lawyer in his courtroom. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to continue to tell you this horrific story.
Speaker 1: I also ask that if any time you're uncomfortable for
Speaker 1: any reason whatsoever, if any of you need a break
Speaker 1: while I am talking for any reason, if you raise
Speaker 1: your hand, I'm sure the judge will take care of
Speaker 1: whatever situation there is, whatever discomfort is, and when then
Speaker 1: we can take a short recess in conven on. I'm
Speaker 1: not suggesting because of the description. I'm just suggesting for
Speaker 1: any reason. After mister Dahmer finally succeeded in his first quest,
Speaker 1: a lot of other things started happening to him.
Speaker 2: Started drinking a lot.
Speaker 1: Testimony is going to show, he started crying about what
Speaker 1: he had done, became very nervous, very high strung, and
Speaker 1: at that time, having graduated from high school, some career
Speaker 1: decisions had to be made, and follow Dan they were,
Speaker 1: and he went to Ohio State University, only to fail
Speaker 1: in the first six months.
Speaker 2: Failed because, as the doctors will tell.
Speaker 1: You, what he had done a few months before was
Speaker 1: too haunting for him to concentrate on what he was
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing.
Speaker 2: So he escaped to the military.
Speaker 1: And he escaped to the military and became a field
Speaker 1: medic stationed in Germany and was there for a long
Speaker 1: period of time, and there started coming into his life
Speaker 1: a lot more ways of handling his fantasies, handling his desires,
Speaker 1: and handling his obsessions, and he got very heavy into pornography,
Speaker 1: He got very heavy into excessive masturbation to try and
Speaker 1: stop these urges from growing, or at least put the
Speaker 1: lid on them, and he started drinking.
Speaker 2: An awful lot.
Speaker 1: Now, a lawyer in a courtroom is to present facts
Speaker 1: and not have policy statements issued. This is not a
Speaker 1: policy statement on the pluses or minuses of pornography. That's
Speaker 1: not the issue here. What is the issue here is
Speaker 1: what effect it had on Jeffrey Dahmer one way or
Speaker 1: the other, and that will be discussed. And he came
Speaker 1: out of the service. He went down to Florida to
Speaker 1: try to live in that environment, that geographical change.
Speaker 2: But he didn't stay there very long, and he came
Speaker 2: back to Bath Ohio one time.
Speaker 1: I think the testimony is going to show. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about his troubles with the law. There was
Speaker 1: a drunken disorderly problem that he had in the state
Speaker 1: of Ohio at about this time. Florida was not a
Speaker 1: pleasant thing. Coming back to Bath Ohio was not pleasant.
Speaker 1: And his first order of business about coming back to
Speaker 1: Bath Ohio was he had to get rid of that body.
Speaker 1: He had secreted that body because he.
Speaker 2: Didn't know what to do with it. But when he
Speaker 2: came back, he got rid of it. He destroyed it.
Speaker 1: You're going to learn that Jeffrey Dahmer, in the performance
Speaker 1: of these horrific homicides, was in fact making what was
Speaker 1: human beings disappear into oblivion by destroying the very materials
Speaker 1: that made up the body, except for those parts he
Speaker 1: wished to retain for his purposes.
Speaker 2: So he got rid of the body parts.
Speaker 1: He smashed him up and got him into the woods,
Speaker 1: and then he left Bath, Ohio and he went to
Speaker 1: West Dallas to live with his grandmother.
Speaker 2: His fantasy has never changed.
Speaker 1: They were ever present, as the doctors will tell you,
Speaker 1: as we have learned in this story, but he was
Speaker 1: able to cap him off without destruction by utilizing things
Speaker 1: available to him, such as pornography, masturbation, and things of
Speaker 1: that nature.
Speaker 2: In August of eighty two, he was charged with and
Speaker 2: convicted of.
Speaker 1: Disorderly condic because he had exposed himself in former urination
Speaker 1: at State Fair Park. He started to frequent sexually explicit
Speaker 1: bookstores for magazines, but he never approached anybody in those
Speaker 1: stores because of his personality, which was, as it will
Speaker 1: be testified, to quiet.
Speaker 2: Shy alone, he'll be showing it.
Speaker 1: He had no friends, as we understand that concept, and
Speaker 1: as a result, he was very isolated.
Speaker 2: The doctors will.
Speaker 1: Indicate during this period of time he was very depressed
Speaker 1: and lonely. Four and a half years after he had
Speaker 1: killed mister Hicks in the mid eighties, violated the law
Speaker 1: again by a shoplifting charge where he took a jacket.
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty three, he got a job at the Blood Center.
Speaker 1: His fantasies were such that he tasted blood while in
Speaker 1: the performance of that job, didn't like it, never did
Speaker 1: it again. But the fantasy, the desire, the obsession. When
Speaker 1: we brought to your attention as to why he would
Speaker 1: do that period of time, thereafter, he continued to frequent
Speaker 1: these bookstars. His fantasy has stayed the same. Eighty three
Speaker 1: to eighty five, we have a period of life of
Speaker 1: attempt to control and control. He tried to change. He
Speaker 1: tried to cut down on his masturbation, got it down
Speaker 1: to a once a week occurrence. He started going to
Speaker 1: church with his grandmother. He started reading religious books. He
Speaker 1: tried to repress his fantasy, and he stayed away from
Speaker 1: pornography as best he could.
Speaker 2: He tried, got a job at a chocolate factory here
Speaker 2: in town.
Speaker 1: And then something happened in nineteen eighty five that the
Speaker 1: doctors will tell you are is significant. Was significant because
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer, who was trying, was sitting in a.
Speaker 2: Library reading the book. And as he was reading the book,
Speaker 2: according to the reports.
Speaker 1: That he gives to the doctors to which the doctors
Speaker 1: will testify, suddenly a sheet of paper in the form
Speaker 1: of a note was thrown into the book he was reading.
Speaker 1: And as he saw this young fellow walking away who
Speaker 1: had thrown the book the sheet of paper in the book,
Speaker 1: he opened it up and the words were meet me
Speaker 1: in the bathroom, I'll give you a blowjob. We now
Speaker 1: have a critical moment in time where Jeffrey Dahmer, the
Speaker 1: man of many fantasies, is for.
Speaker 2: The first time propositioned.
Speaker 1: Doesn't fall, doesn't fall yet, but very shortly thereafter his
Speaker 1: control started falling. Apart the reading religious books, to going
Speaker 1: to church, to trying to change your life around the
Speaker 1: control of the fantasies as best he could, and he
Speaker 1: gave up, started going back to the video games, video rooms,
Speaker 1: see the pornography, started meeting people, started having sex, real
Speaker 1: sex with people in the desire to have his fantasies fulfilled.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that satisfying having sex with life people, but
Speaker 1: he did it to try and control. He started going
Speaker 1: to gay bars, and he started finding that he couldn't
Speaker 1: stop following these desires. He had no relationship with anyone
Speaker 1: other than a fast, one night stand, one action stand.
Speaker 1: Then he started thinking, if I can keep them, they
Speaker 1: can't leave me. So he started thinking about drugging people.
Speaker 1: He started thinking about drugging people so that he would
Speaker 1: have control over them and that they would have to
Speaker 1: do his bidding because they couldn't resist doing his bidding.
Speaker 1: He desperately wanted to have somebody remain with him, but
Speaker 1: in order to fulfill his fantasies. Having killed one fella,
Speaker 1: he tried to do a couple of things. He stayed
Speaker 1: all night in Boston store one night till all the
Speaker 1: doors were closed, and he stole the male mannequin brought
Speaker 1: it home with them, thinking that this might be a
Speaker 1: way out for him of his fantasies. Grandmother found the
Speaker 1: mannequin and mannequin idea went didn't work. He started looking
Speaker 1: in the obituary section of the paper to find young
Speaker 1: people that might have died, and he went to various
Speaker 1: funeral homes to see the remains, and he decided that
Speaker 1: he found one, and he attempted to go to the
Speaker 1: cemetery to dig up that body, but he wasn't able
Speaker 1: to do it because the ground was so frozen, so.
Speaker 2: He had nobody.
Speaker 1: His sexual problems continued, and in eighty six he was
Speaker 1: arrested for exposing himself in public. Eighty six starts to
Speaker 1: become a crucial year, as the doctors will tell you,
Speaker 1: because he bought a large TV in VCR and started
Speaker 1: buying very heavy pornal videos, and he started going to
Speaker 1: a lot of bath clubs, and his object was looking
Speaker 1: for the best looking guy, and then he would do
Speaker 1: is he would drug that person in those bath houses,
Speaker 1: the person he chose with a drug called Helsian, which
Speaker 1: he was getting prescribed to himself for his alleged inability
Speaker 1: to sleep, but he didn't use it. It was only
Speaker 1: to put others out so in their state he could
Speaker 1: control and fulfill the fantasies that had been in his
Speaker 1: mind all this time. He would masturbate, in masturbate, and masturbate.
Speaker 1: When this was happening with these drugged peoples, he would
Speaker 1: engage in light sex with them, and then when they
Speaker 1: were out, he would do them as he saw fit,
Speaker 1: but not killing any of them. He never injured, at
Speaker 1: least by physical trauma, any of these men that he
Speaker 1: drugged up until this point in time that he met
Speaker 1: at the bath houses. Part of the reason that his
Speaker 1: fantasy was such at it was taken on this course
Speaker 1: is because when they were awake to engage in consensual sex.
Speaker 1: He was unable to perform for the most part. It
Speaker 1: was only after they were unconscious that his performance level
Speaker 1: went to the point where.
Speaker 2: He was satisfied with it. He had to have that
Speaker 2: in order to perform.
Speaker 1: Did this about ten to fifteen times and suddenly became
Speaker 1: pretty clear as to who was dropping the knockout bills.
Speaker 2: So he was barred from these bath clubs, no longer
Speaker 2: able to go there.
Speaker 1: So he started taking mento hotel rooms, and we have
Speaker 1: a number of times seven, eight, nine, ten times where
Speaker 1: he would take consenting adults, go to a hotel and
Speaker 1: do whatever they do and then it would be over.
Speaker 1: He didn't hurt them, didn't drug them. This would be ended,
Speaker 1: but he would have no relationship thereafter. The world as
Speaker 1: we know it to be started getting singed in November
Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty seven when Jeffrey Dahmer started on a
Speaker 1: killing spree. Since the murder of mister Hicks did not
Speaker 1: occur in the state of Wisconsin is a matter for
Speaker 1: the Ohio authorities.
Speaker 2: You're going to hear the name.
Speaker 1: Of mister Toomey, who is mister Dahmer's second victim, first
Speaker 1: victim in Milwaukee County, but an uncharged homicide for reasons
Speaker 1: that will become clear the rest of the fifteen murders
Speaker 1: that took place after that. For the charge murders, he
Speaker 1: met this gentleman and he took him to the Ambassador
Speaker 1: Hotel and it was agreed that they would have consensual sex.
Speaker 2: His intention was not to kill him. His intention was
Speaker 2: to drink and have sex.
Speaker 1: And that took place, except that mister Dahmer and mister
Speaker 1: Toomey passed out from a very very strong rum that
Speaker 1: they were drinking one hundred and fifty proof from. When
Speaker 1: mister Dahmer woke up, he was laying on top of
Speaker 1: mister Toomey. Mister Toomey was dead, dead. A massive bruise
Speaker 1: was viewed by mister Dahmer, so he knows he killed him,
Speaker 1: but he didn't know when or how, But he knew
Speaker 1: this man was dead and he was now in the
Speaker 1: Ambassador Hotel.
Speaker 2: It's a dead body, having signed in for just the night.
Speaker 1: So he went down trying to figure out what he
Speaker 1: was going to do about this terrible problem.
Speaker 2: And he went down to one.
Speaker 1: Of the malls, bought a big suitcase, went back to
Speaker 1: the Ambassador hotel, signed up for another night, and in
Speaker 1: the stealth of the night, he put his body into
Speaker 1: this large suitcase called a cab and took it to
Speaker 1: his grandmother's house where he was living, put it down
Speaker 1: into a fruit seller and left it there.
Speaker 2: For a period of time.
Speaker 1: And then one morning, while his grandmother was at church,
Speaker 1: he took the body out of.
Speaker 2: The suitcase.
Speaker 1: And he slid it open, and he masturbated, and he
Speaker 1: removed the head and retained it.
Speaker 2: For a long period of time.
Speaker 1: And his sexual fantasies that he had and his conduct
Speaker 1: with that horrible thing that happened, will be the subject
Speaker 1: matter of some discussions by the doctors, doctor Berlin and
Speaker 1: doctor Wallstrom, and doctor Becker will tell you when he
Speaker 1: woke up in the Ambassador Hotel, it was all over.
Speaker 2: As to Damer would continue to do this until it
Speaker 2: was stopped. I am to tell you that his experimentation.
Speaker 1: On bodies started at that time, started boiling and bleaching
Speaker 1: the skull, and he saved the skull for at least
Speaker 1: a week, and he would masturbate on a few occasions
Speaker 1: before he disposed of the body, which he did in the.
Speaker 2: Cellar of his grandmother's house.
Speaker 1: By having the spillage through the sewer system, by smashing
Speaker 1: the bones, and by putting them in disposal bags and
Speaker 1: putting them in garbage cans. If I had my druthers,
Speaker 1: I would love to tell the story without mentioning anybody's name.
Speaker 2: But I can't do that.
Speaker 1: So when I mentioned the names of the victims, I'd
Speaker 1: do it hopefully with a religious intonation, because they were
Speaker 1: the most unfortunate victims.
Speaker 2: Anyone can imagine that they had this happen to them.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask.
Speaker 1: Mister the Fever to stand up here and hold up
Speaker 1: some cards to show you, as I will read down
Speaker 1: the names of these people as to when they died,
Speaker 1: so that you will understand, uh what I am.
Speaker 2: Uh I'm talking about. As I talk about, so you
Speaker 2: come up and grabbing me for Christmas. The victims, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if you.
Speaker 1: Can see it from there, and many of you stand
Speaker 1: up here, we have what is the victims of mister
Speaker 1: Dahmer's murders.
Speaker 2: As I said to the first one was.
Speaker 7: The ter Stephen Hicks, who died in June twenty fifth,
Speaker 7: nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2: The second one, uncharged for the reasons that should be
Speaker 2: clear there was no recollection of how it happened. Was
Speaker 2: the Rs S. Stephen twenty died in November of nineteen Uh.
Speaker 2: The that.
Speaker 7: The first charge murder is that of mister James Dodstater,
Speaker 7: a youngster born in nineteen seventy three, died in January
Speaker 7: of ega.
Speaker 2: Mister Guerrero was the second victim, charge victim.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say charge victim because we concentrate on those,
Speaker 1: because you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna have to make a decision on each one of
Speaker 2: which family was killed in March eighty eight. Mister Anthony
Speaker 2: Sears was killed in March of eighty nine. If you so,
Speaker 2: I've talked and see that the difference in the turn
Speaker 2: of months that that was placed almost a year later.
Speaker 8: The next gentleman who was killed was the Raymond Smith
Speaker 8: who died in May of nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: He was also known as the GD Beach. Let's see
Speaker 2: July nineteen ninety h mister Edward Smith was killed and
Speaker 2: then two months later mister Ernest Snower what you call.
Speaker 8: I believe at this juncture, prior to this killing, uh,
Speaker 8: these were folks.
Speaker 2: From Milwaukee except Milwauk area, Except for that mister kids, how.
Speaker 1: He indicate to you that in preparations from my opening statement,
Speaker 1: I do as much as.
Speaker 2: I can to be accurate. I'm a fast Uh. I'm
Speaker 2: sure you're not that I hold me to every single thing.
Speaker 2: If I said something happened on a Tuesday that it
Speaker 2: might not happen on a Wednesday, that's not important, cause
Speaker 2: the evidence will tell you what the exact facts are.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to give you an overlay.
Speaker 8: So if it's later it turns out that I was
Speaker 8: wrong on a name or a place, even that's my er, doesn't.
Speaker 1: Mean that I was trying any way to take advantage
Speaker 1: of anybody by fooling.
Speaker 2: That's just superior if you just give me.
Speaker 1: The next gentleman was mister David Thomas, who was killed
Speaker 1: in October of nineteen ninety.
Speaker 8: And then in February of nineteen ninety one, and up
Speaker 8: to the end of this killing spree, what would victims
Speaker 8: number eight we find whole bevy of homicide camp Mister
Speaker 8: Slaughter dying on February ninety one, Mister Earl Lindsey died
Speaker 8: in April of nineteen ninety one, Mister anging Anthy hughes
Speaker 8: Uh a month later May of nineteen maybe, and.
Speaker 2: Then and then the same month the very very distressing
Speaker 2: matter of of mister tyrc and sisters as.
Speaker 1: Woman, the one that we were talked about oft times
Speaker 1: in the in the in the top mind of the judges.
Speaker 8: Jinger and a month later mister mac Turner. And it
Speaker 8: was a very short time thereafter mister Jeremiah Weinberg Uh,
Speaker 8: very short time after that of mister Alian Lacy, and
Speaker 8: very short time after that of mister Joseph's great home.
Speaker 8: Then and Tracy Edwards incident that believe of the twenty third.
Speaker 2: Four days later. It thanks me to God at the
Speaker 2: end of the side.
Speaker 1: So with that in mind, as I spore through the
Speaker 1: last two days mentioning these human beings who became sacrificial
Speaker 1: lambs to mister Dahmer's fantasies, I do it with as
Speaker 1: much respect as I can.
Speaker 2: Muster up.
Speaker 1: He killed mister doc Stater, and he kept his body
Speaker 1: a week and he would lie with it, he would
Speaker 1: masturbate with it, he defleshed it, kept a skull.
Speaker 2: His compulsion, the doctors will tell you, was in full swing.
Speaker 1: Sexual acts, as the doctors testify, were more erotic when
Speaker 1: the victim was dead. His fantasies were having a person comatose,
Speaker 1: and then after they died, having.
Speaker 2: Sex with them.
Speaker 1: He did not want them to leave. He wanted to
Speaker 1: keep them, as he did mister Guerrero. And then September
Speaker 1: of eighty eight he was arrested for a crime all
Speaker 1: of that is going to be explained to you in detail,
Speaker 1: involving a youngster, and he was prosecuted for that, successfully prosecuted,
Speaker 1: pled guilty to that, received a sentence with the hope
Speaker 1: of treatment.
Speaker 2: In a form of probation. And it never took.
Speaker 1: It never took, as the testimony will show, because Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Dahmer did not want it to take. He did not
Speaker 1: want to stop what now had become his obsession, his fantasies,
Speaker 1: and his compulsions.
Speaker 2: While waiting to go to jail, he killed another man.
Speaker 1: During the time that he was in jail for approximately
Speaker 1: nine months, he was unable to carry out his killing spree,
Speaker 1: but he certainly didn't have it or get.
Speaker 2: It under control.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to give up these body parts that
Speaker 1: became so important to him for his purposes of his compulsion,
Speaker 1: so he went even before he had to go to
Speaker 1: jail and bought a barrel, a sealed barrel that he
Speaker 1: could keep so that he could retain these parts.
Speaker 2: That became so important to him.
Speaker 1: He went about the business of finding out how he
Speaker 1: could preserve these things so they would not deteriorate, these
Speaker 1: things that were so important to him. In his obsession,
Speaker 1: he would take things out and look at him and masturbate.
Speaker 1: He kept body parts, such as the genitalia he played with,
Speaker 1: heads painted him, colored him, the skulls of these poor creatures,
Speaker 1: and some he was able to go to work, and
Speaker 1: he kept them at his place of employment so he
Speaker 1: could look at him while he was spending his nights
Speaker 1: in jail he was under supervision. He just flat out
Speaker 1: rejected it. He flat out rejected, as he has told
Speaker 1: and will tell you through the statements he made to
Speaker 1: the detectives.
Speaker 2: He did it. He didn't want it. He wanted to continue.
Speaker 2: He had an experience in.
Speaker 1: One day off that he had during his period of
Speaker 1: incarceration where he was victimized, where he became a victim
Speaker 1: but survived. Obviously the thing that was happening between him
Speaker 1: and another person. When he got out of the institution,
Speaker 1: he took his sixth victim. Now he started taking pictures
Speaker 1: showing the carnage that he was causing these people. As
Speaker 1: he was going along in this killing spree. He tempted
Speaker 1: to keep a complete skeleton, but was unable to do that.
Speaker 1: He didn't know how to preserve it. It called taxidermists
Speaker 1: to see how to do things like that. And then
Speaker 1: we see Jeffrey Dahmer getting into some things that I'm
Speaker 1: sure the doctors and others will tell you of some interest.
Speaker 2: One way or the other.
Speaker 1: Interpretation of these facts are going to be done not
Speaker 1: by me, but by the doctors. He started reading it,
Speaker 1: started watching some videos, and the first one that seemed
Speaker 1: to really help him understand what he really wanted to
Speaker 1: be was something called the Return of the Jedi, because
Speaker 1: in that he saw and he started thinking that he
Speaker 1: was who wanted to be like a character, and that
Speaker 1: is the emperor who was portrayed therein this emperor who
Speaker 1: had total control and power over subjects, subjects, meeting people.
Speaker 1: He would bring the victims to his place where he
Speaker 1: was staying before he killed them and make sure that
Speaker 1: they watched the same thing. He went so far as
Speaker 1: to buy yellow tinted contact lenses because The emperor in
Speaker 1: that movie had those kind of eyes that came out.
Speaker 2: Gave him a feeling of power.
Speaker 1: People commented that he looked good with those His eyes
Speaker 1: look good when he would go about the praying upon
Speaker 1: these taverns and other places where he could find his prey.
Speaker 1: He'd watch it time and time again his method of operation.
Speaker 1: His method of operation was to find a person who
Speaker 1: best fit his desire for body. The person with the
Speaker 1: body that he became obsessed with was his prey. Whoever
Speaker 1: fit that description of that body, that physique was in
Speaker 1: him arms way, if mister Dahmer could persuade that person
Speaker 1: to come back to his apartment to watch videos, to
Speaker 1: pose for pictures, and in fact, the incentive was that
Speaker 1: he would pay them for doing that. These men, these victims,
Speaker 1: were not all of that same sexual orientation.
Speaker 2: It's not a material fact.
Speaker 1: The material fact is that they were solicited and they
Speaker 1: were brought back with the avowed purpose that mister Dahmer
Speaker 1: was going to drug him up, take them from life,
Speaker 1: through dying, through death into death, to make them come
Speaker 1: back into life his life. By the way he would
Speaker 1: conduct themselves with them after they were dead, he ate
Speaker 1: body parts and the purpose of which, as he has
Speaker 1: expressed it, as the doctors believe it to be, so
Speaker 1: that these.
Speaker 2: Poor people he killed would become alive again in him.
Speaker 1: The doctors will tell you about this necrophilia, which they
Speaker 1: will say in mister Dahmer was a mental illness, a
Speaker 1: mental disease of him on this program, this plan of
Speaker 1: taking people from life through death into death and retaining
Speaker 1: them after death to bring.
Speaker 2: Them back into himself.
Speaker 1: The retention of body parts, the keeping of these many skulls,
Speaker 1: came a time when the doctors will tell you that
Speaker 1: he started maintaining these to build a shrine, and the
Speaker 1: shrine was a shrine to himself.
Speaker 2: And that will come out in the testimony. His experimentation with.
Speaker 1: These body parts, and these bodies and their body parts
Speaker 1: that he retained his mind boggling, mind boggling for us
Speaker 1: to understand, to hear, to think about boiling skulls, to
Speaker 1: see whether or not that was a way of preserving them,
Speaker 1: how to dispose of these flesh that remained after his mutilation.
Speaker 2: Then there came a time.
Speaker 1: Where the killing is I've obviously became very clear, started escalating,
Speaker 1: and his conduct in reference to these body parts started to.
Speaker 2: Escalat and it got so sad.
Speaker 1: That he started doing surgical experimentation on these poor souls
Speaker 1: before they died, so as they keep them from dying.
Speaker 1: But not because he cared, but because he wanted him
Speaker 1: for his purposes. He wanted to create zombies, people that
Speaker 1: would be there for him.
Speaker 2: He would have.
Speaker 1: All kinds of sexual contact with the dead bodies, oral
Speaker 1: anal into the viscera, all kinds. He became.
Speaker 2: Enamored, overwhelmed, caught.
Speaker 1: Up by a character in a movie called Exorcist three,
Speaker 1: And the doctors will tell you that the character that
Speaker 1: he became caught up with was Satan, because Satan was
Speaker 1: the personification of evil, and mister Dahmer felt that because
Speaker 1: of what he was, what he had done, what he
Speaker 1: was doing, that there was no entity to relate to
Speaker 1: other than Satan. When he brought that youngster up, the
Speaker 1: one that we've talked about, Conor Rector, and the police
Speaker 1: went up in the next room in his bedroom, there
Speaker 1: lied the dead body of another one of his victims.
Speaker 1: Mister Dahmer persuaded those police officers that what he was
Speaker 1: doing was okay in reference to that young man, and
Speaker 1: that testimony is going to be made known to you
Speaker 1: and aired in this courtroom.
Speaker 2: I think it's important now for me to start telling you.
Speaker 1: Some things that will bring my opening statement to some
Speaker 1: sort of conclusion.
Speaker 2: My role as an advocate.
Speaker 1: Is to convince you, based upon the greater weight of
Speaker 1: the credible evidence to a reasonable certainty, that this young
Speaker 1: man was mentally ill.
Speaker 2: I am his advocate.
Speaker 1: Nothing that I have said, can should might be interpreted
Speaker 1: as my believing other.
Speaker 2: Than my obligation, my duty, and my desire to prove
Speaker 2: to you that he was mentally ill.
Speaker 1: We are precluded in a courtroom, all of us lawyers,
Speaker 1: from telling you what our personal opinion is.
Speaker 2: It is not appropriate to do that.
Speaker 1: I have said a lot of things about this young
Speaker 1: man that are so absolutely evil that one would have
Speaker 1: to say, are you saying that he was evil? And
Speaker 1: I'm saying to you that I accept the responsibility of
Speaker 1: proving to you that this was not an evil man.
Speaker 1: This was a sick man whose sickness rose to the
Speaker 1: level of mental illness. That he was suffering from a
Speaker 1: mental disease at the beginning of these killing sprees.
Speaker 2: During these killing sprees, which mental.
Speaker 1: Disease, I submit to you, will be shown by the
Speaker 1: doctor's testimony to be growing and growing and growing to
Speaker 1: the point where he became absolutely unable to conform his
Speaker 1: conduct to the requirements of the law, and in fact to.
Speaker 2: Really appreciate, really appreciate what he was doing, the wrongfulness
Speaker 2: of his conduct.
Speaker 1: That as this killing spree continued, along with this young man,
Speaker 1: as you will get to know him through the doctors,
Speaker 1: this isolated person, not the one who is out in
Speaker 1: the world, but isolated in his own mind, certainly isolated
Speaker 1: in his private private life, who lives on his fantasies
Speaker 1: and who works out his fantasy was a mentally diseased
Speaker 1: human being, and as a result of.
Speaker 2: It, he could not.
Speaker 1: Have the capacity to conform to the requirements of law, until,
Speaker 1: in God's providence, Tracy Edwards escaped from his grasp and
Speaker 1: the police came back, and it all unfolded. My purpose
Speaker 1: is not the quarrel with mister McCann. My purpose is
Speaker 1: not the quarrel with anyone. My purpose is to let
Speaker 1: you decide. Now that you've heard as much horror, it
Speaker 1: can't get any worse than this. There will be more details,
Speaker 1: but the bad part is over. It's as bad as
Speaker 1: it can possibly be thought to have been. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to walk down here and sit here and
Speaker 1: say I'm making excuses for my representation of this human being,
Speaker 1: because I am not.
Speaker 2: I am a lawyer. I have bringing into this courtroom,
Speaker 2: and I know the ones.
Speaker 1: That the other people are bringing, the other sides are
Speaker 1: bringing in, and I will tell you, absolutely, unqualifiedly that
Speaker 1: in this courtroom in the next two weeks will be
Speaker 1: the finest, the best this country has to offer to
Speaker 1: bring not only to your attention but whomever else is
Speaker 1: interested as to how this horrible, horrible tragedy could have
Speaker 1: occurred because of an effect of a human mind. Everything
Speaker 1: we do is for you, those who are interested. The
Speaker 1: very very unfortunate victims, families who don't need my sympathy.
Speaker 1: I can't ever make it right by them ever, no
Speaker 1: matter what. But I am sensitive to it. And I
Speaker 1: respect the State of Wisconsin for coming in and fighting
Speaker 1: these charges because that's what they feel they should, just
Speaker 1: as I know.
Speaker 2: I have to do what I'm doing, and I make
Speaker 2: no excuses for it.
Speaker 1: When I get to talk to you again, it'll take on,
Speaker 1: I think, a different type of type of statement, because
Speaker 1: then I'll be able to argue. I can't argue now.
Speaker 1: I can only tell you what.
Speaker 2: I know I have to do, and I can also
Speaker 2: tell you that I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1: I am hopefully going to call a gentleman who's had
Speaker 1: some law enforcement experience. It's allowed to do so as
Speaker 1: we progress, so that you may hear some things about
Speaker 1: how law enforcement finds things and people of this kind
Speaker 1: of mindset. But I won't say anything more than that.
Speaker 1: One of the biggest problems in an opening state. And
Speaker 1: if you say you're going to prove something you don't
Speaker 1: prove it, A jury might say, well, he told us you,
Speaker 1: he promised you something and he didn't come through.
Speaker 2: I'll promise you this.
Speaker 1: I'll promise you that I'm bringing in three great professionals
Speaker 1: whose opinions are going to be disagreed with by others,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't make them wrong. You're the ones that
Speaker 1: are going to have to make that decision. We all
Speaker 1: came into this courtroom this morning because of the questions
Speaker 1: you answered during the last few days with no opinion.
Speaker 1: You fourteen folks have no opinion, and you won't have
Speaker 1: an opinion until you hear everything. And I believe that,
Speaker 1: so I asked that you believe what I've told you,
Speaker 1: and if I have, if I've said things that are
Speaker 1: out of whack, if I misplaced something, the evidence you
Speaker 1: hear is the barometer of that. If I've said anything
Speaker 1: that's offended you, because I've telling you this story, I
Speaker 1: submit to you that there's no way you fourteen can
Speaker 1: feel that way, because we all promised each other that
Speaker 1: this is what I was going to do when.
Speaker 2: You were ready to accept it. And I appreciate that
Speaker 2: near candor, as.
Speaker 1: Soon as I sit down, as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: you no longer exist. My job is to get information
Speaker 1: out so that you may think about it, and then
Speaker 1: in a final analysis, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 2: And I thank you very much for your attention. At
Speaker 2: this juncture, I will move it along quickly.
Speaker 1: Tracy Edwards, perhaps somebody from law enforcement, certainly remember Milwaukee
Speaker 1: Police Department or two. There will be three professionals in
Speaker 1: a form of two psychiatrists and one psychologists. And I'm
Speaker 1: not going to stay and ask any more questions than
Speaker 1: I think you want me to ask. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to keep them on and say the same thing over
Speaker 1: and over and over again. A jury individually and a
Speaker 1: jury collectively is very bright, and I know I don't
Speaker 1: have to do that, so we'll get to the heart
Speaker 1: of the problem.
Speaker 2: So you can get to the meat of the question
Speaker 2: and address it in a file analysis. Thank you, M.