WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:05.559 It's the lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:07.759 S e O and JP sorrows. 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:13.679 He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling. 4 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:17.960 You never seen anything. 5 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:23.039 And it's the laps fan name like the one in 6 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:25.879 the ring. Forget about Sado. He the real king of 7 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:28.359 swing when the bell goes in and the kick like 8 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:31.280 me throwing in the corner but gets lashed like stick. 9 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:34.600 Even Jerry King can take off the crowd nodded in 10 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:37.000 his head like it. Steve low Brown, would you get 11 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:39.079 low down? We go even high up? 12 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:41.439 Flipp you on your head, but you know cool driver 13 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:45.280 speaking more and Dragon spits fire give you more shock 14 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:48.159 than when Edge reat higher dropping more truth than the 15 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:51.719 con of sniper. Bless you with a coconut, Roddy Piper, 16 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:54.600 Jack and JP. He like j Y d drop the 17 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:58.039 cupcakes and gold the brain. Bob means the best podcast. 18 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:01.840 Frost start the close cloud if you are it's a classic. 19 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:04.760 And pos you know sometimes class we need a palette cleansers. 20 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:06.920 We're in the middle of the complete Hulkogan. We're bombarding 21 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:08.599 people and we know we're about to hit him even 22 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:12.000 harder than they could ever imagine. As the story of 23 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:16.319 Hulkoguan unfolds. But you know, sometimes sometimes duty calls. Sometimes 24 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:18.760 the solar system says, you know what something's happening out there, 25 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:21.040 be it in wrestling or at the box office, that 26 00:01:21.239 --> 00:01:24.280 just requires our immediate attention for us to clear the 27 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:28.159 decks and put something under the microscope. And I don't know, 28 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:28.760 would you agree. 29 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:32.439 Does the Smashing Machine featuring the rock count? Yes, yes, 30 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:35.519 it absolutely does. I mean this is the this is 31 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:39.239 the next Iron Claw, basically is what it is. You know, 32 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.120 it's the same We're in that same vein where we're 33 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:50.040 trying to create, you know, dramatic and award worthy combat 34 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:52.200 sport picture motions. 35 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:57.560 Yes, we're we're making film about the psyche of the 36 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:02.799 combat athlete and leaving more unspoken than said. It's the 37 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:05.719 Smashing Machine, and your co chairs have both seen it 38 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:10.520 independently of each other, and our guest today, LAPS fan 39 00:02:10.719 --> 00:02:14.680 producer TJ. DeSantis of UFC Fight Pass fame, has also 40 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:18.759 taken the film in and his deep and abiding knowledge 41 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:22.120 of combat sports and this being the time period depicted 42 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:24.159 in this film as far as the Pride ninety nine 43 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:28.599 two thousand days, the Mark Kerr time period squarely write TJ. 44 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:33.599 In your nostalgic Wheelhouse, this is oh yeah, this is 45 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:34.520 your special spot. 46 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:36.960 This is your nineteen ninety one WWA. 47 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:41.280 But it's not quite in the special spot. 48 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:45.159 My special spot is November two thousand and two to 49 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:48.240 like early early two thousand and six. 50 00:02:48.439 --> 00:02:53.479 But yeah, it's it's there. Like the Smashing Machine. That's 51 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:54.560 the thing too, Like I don't know. 52 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:57.439 How to look at this film because like it's a 53 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.400 dramatic motion picture, but to me, it was just like, Okay, 54 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:03.639 are you guys going to screw up one of my 55 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:05.080 favorite documentaries of all time? 56 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:06.120 Yeah. 57 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:08.400 That's one of the great perspectives that you're going to 58 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:11.319 bring here is that you know the documentary before the film. 59 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:13.560 Boss has never seen the documentary, never. 60 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:15.919 Seen it, ever heard of Mark Kerr before Boss, not 61 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:17.879 before the Rock was going to play him. 62 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:20.479 Okay, perfect. So we've got both sides. We've got someone 63 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:23.080 that knew as much about Mark Kerr as one could 64 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:24.800 ever expect, and someone had never heard of him before. 65 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:27.639 And I'm somewhat in the middle. I mean, certainly having 66 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:29.719 seen all of his fights and everything and having seen 67 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:31.120 The Smashing Machine several times. 68 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:31.840 So this is going to be good. 69 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.960 This is going to be I think a really appropriate 70 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:40.120 TLF treatment of this attempt by Dwayne Johnson to take 71 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:43.159 his MMA mark Them and turn it into an Academy award. 72 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:47.080 I look forward to seeing how that develops. 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I went 134 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:46.560 to see it. 135 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:49.160 I was going to go alone, but then I I 136 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:52.720 I had some I knew somebody who was not busy, 137 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:54.600 and I said, why don't you come with me to 138 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:55.759 see the movie? Because I was like, you know what, 139 00:06:56.399 --> 00:07:01.199 I want somebody who's not in invested in the rock 140 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:07.000 to watch this as well. Yes, And the first thing 141 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:09.839 he said, when if we walked out of the theater, 142 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:15.759 there's no way he's winning an Emmy. How unfair. And 143 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:18.800 the fact that he said Emmy just also blew my mind. 144 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:25.839 Emmy right, Yeah, I I, I mean, there are a 145 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:29.480 lot of thoughts. The first one is I I just 146 00:07:29.560 --> 00:07:32.240 don't see why this story needed to be told. I 147 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:35.600 didn't see I get I get the idea. And obviously 148 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:41.240 he had a notable career, but having a notable career 149 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:43.720 and having a notable life are two different things. And 150 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:46.240 I just didn't find his story to be anything that 151 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:52.360 we haven't seen a million times in uh, rock rocker musicals, 152 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:58.680 a rocker biopics, drugs, you know, a rough relationship. You know, 153 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:02.319 rise to rise to fame right away, he falls, he 154 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:04.720 comes back and da da dah, and you know, sometimes 155 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:07.240 they win, sometimes they lose in the end. And I 156 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:10.639 just was like, this is the same story but with 157 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:15.519 a different like I don't know, I'm not saying anything 158 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.040 about the life of the Guygangs. I know nothing about him, 159 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:21.199 but we'll get to that. In terms of the movie itself, 160 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:26.879 I just was like, they, I agree with the critics 161 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:33.080 in that it is the Rock's most transformative role. I 162 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:38.399 agree that he was something I've never seen him do before. 163 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:41.679 I don't know that it was great. I don't think 164 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:42.279 it was great. 165 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:44.799 If you could describe what it is you saw him 166 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:47.240 do that he'd never done before, well, I mean. 167 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:52.120 You've never really seen him like try to take on 168 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:54.919 the persona of somebody. And again, I don't know, Mark Kerr, 169 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:57.320 I don't know. We've seen him at the end of 170 00:08:57.360 --> 00:09:00.480 the movie. Spoiler alert for those not that it's a 171 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:02.399 big deal. It's not even a spoiler. It doesn't do anything. 172 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:03.840 It's just like you see him, you see him in 173 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.360 the end in real life. And okay, so I guess 174 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:09.519 in real life the guy does sound like Vince Vaughn 175 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:11.679 as the Rock was doing, because that's what I thought 176 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:13.759 of every time he spoke. I said, he's trying to 177 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:15.519 do Vince Vaughn here, like, why is he trying to 178 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:17.960 do Vince Vaughn? And then I was like, okay, well 179 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:19.600 the guy kind of sounds like Vince von He sounds 180 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.639 like that, and he's very friendly and he's very whatever. 181 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:27.960 And I got to tell you the makeup and the 182 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:32.000 get up, it just was so fucking distracting. I sent 183 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:36.000 you a picture last week and I was like, it 184 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:38.840 just kind of reminds me. He looks like Triple H' 185 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:43.360 doing the Rock in ninety eight. All right, that's what 186 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.360 it kind of frock the Croc, Like he looks like 187 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:49.559 the Croc when he's got his full hair and the sideburns, 188 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:51.519 and all right, we did it again. You can never 189 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:54.639 see it. No one that ever heard you say that 190 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:56.039 is ever gonna be able to watch this movie. 191 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:56.360 Yeah. 192 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:59.919 Sorry, that's that's what we inadvertently do every tangle time. 193 00:10:00.320 --> 00:10:02.600 That's what I look at and I see. And also 194 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.080 then he shaves his head and he looks like Batista. 195 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:10.120 I was like, you know, it looks like like current 196 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:12.200 day Batista with the big eyebrows and like, you know, 197 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:16.240 his face is weird now Batista's and it just was. 198 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:19.519 It was hard. But I want to say so there 199 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.120 are compliments here because he gave a very subtle performance. 200 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.200 He gave a very realistic performance. There was a lot there, 201 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.120 and I'll say it's his best work, but it's not. 202 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.919 I'll be surprised if he gets especially because this early 203 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:40.000 and award season. I mean it's early, you know, September, October, 204 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:44.679 that's like, that's early November December. To have a movie 205 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:47.000 that doesn't do well in the box office, I think 206 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:49.600 it's going to be forgotten come November. Honestly, I think 207 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:51.120 people are going to forget about it. I think I'll 208 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:55.519 tell you what. Emily Blunt was fantastic. Yeah, I thought 209 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:59.000 she was excellent. I thought she was so she reminded 210 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:02.879 me of a very toned down version, very toned down 211 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.759 version of Sharon Stone and Casino. Sure, I don't know 212 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:08.360 if you've seen that, but like she had that same 213 00:11:08.519 --> 00:11:10.519 type of vibe and I sense it right from the 214 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:13.000 beginning of the movie. I said, she's gonna Sharon Stone 215 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:16.000 this ship. She's gonna totally about the movie. I said 216 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:21.120 this is what she's doing, and she's she's incredible, and 217 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:23.600 I just it was it was there was a lot 218 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:27.080 of trying. I didn't hate the movie. I didn't hate 219 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:29.919 it all right, I definitely there I liked it. It 220 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:38.840 just was choppy and it it didn't Yeah, it kind 221 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:44.279 of like it steamrolled over things. Like to me, addiction 222 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:47.399 is a very big thing for any especially for an athlete. 223 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:49.919 It's like to be dealing with with with any kind 224 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:52.440 of drug addiction, and they kind of just steamroll over 225 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:55.799 that as if it's not a big deal, and it's 226 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:58.120 like a it's kind of a almost as if it 227 00:11:58.200 --> 00:11:59.679 was so easy for him to and maybe it was. 228 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:01.440 Maybe it was easy for him to get into rehab. 229 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.080 I don't know, but it seemed way too easy for 230 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:05.960 him to just kind of go into rehab and then 231 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:09.639 all of a sudden, you know, he's he's like clean 232 00:12:09.720 --> 00:12:13.840 and he's okay, and you know, just a lot happened, 233 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:15.639 and I kind of wanted to see the process more. 234 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:17.840 I wanted to see him in rehab. To me, that 235 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:21.200 would have been more interesting than to kind of rush 236 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:27.519 back out and start training again. And fight scenes were great. 237 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:29.720 I didn't like the jazz music playing in most of 238 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:30.279 the fight scenes. 239 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:33.000 Yeah, that was that was try hard a twenty four 240 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:36.080 like let's juxtapos blah blah blah blah blah. 241 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:37.240 It just didn't. 242 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:41.440 They just didn't. And you know what, trying hard that's 243 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:44.080 what it felt. Not even it didn't try too hard. 244 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:46.759 There are movies that you see that tried way too hard. 245 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:51.200 This was almost trying hard enough to act like we're 246 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:54.200 not trying well. I think what's fascinating in a couple 247 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:56.840 of fronts and return to TJ. You know TJ. 248 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:59.000 If you've seen The Smashing Machine, one of the things 249 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:02.960 that strikes you is that this, to JP's point, is 250 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.440 probably so breakneck of a pace and flies through things 251 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:10.039 that you know the viewer might want some more meditation 252 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:13.159 on because it's it's damn close to a frame by 253 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:16.360 frame remake of the documentary. It's unbelievable. 254 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:19.840 So to be fair, I called it my favorite documentary. 255 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:21.840 I haven't watched it in twenty years. I have a 256 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:25.039 copy of it on DVD. It's one of the so 257 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:27.559 like when Fight Pass launched, I got rid of everything. 258 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:30.879 I got rid of all my Pride DVDs, my UFC DVDs, 259 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.120 and I kept like a handful of DVDs that I 260 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.559 was like, probably can't replace this one, and The Smashing 261 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:41.519 Machine was on that list, and I wanted to watch it. 262 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:43.519 I wanted to watch it before I went to go 263 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:47.440 see the movie. I wanted to watch it after. Apparently 264 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:51.080 I don't own anything that plays a DVD, which is unfortunate, amazing. 265 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:54.360 And I also just looked on eBay these things are 266 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:56.320 going well, they're not going for I don't know if 267 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:59.720 they're being sold, but they're listed from anywhere at like 268 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:02.039 a hundred and fifty dollars to three hundred. 269 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:08.600 Dollars for a DT player. No, no, no, okay, okay. Yeah. 270 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:13.879 So the things that stuck out to me that I 271 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.360 recall from the documentary, uh, we're very gripping because it 272 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.360 was like, uh watching something that lived somewhere deep in 273 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:26.960 my brain but I had, you know, horribly uh misremembered it. 274 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:31.399 But then again, I'm watching the rock uh act out 275 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:34.000 these memories in my head. But yeah, I think when 276 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:36.360 when you said JP, that's like, why does this story 277 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:39.519 need to be told? It was such a groundbreaking documentary 278 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:42.080 for the time, like it came out in two thousand 279 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:46.519 and two. I bought a VHS copy of the documentary 280 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:48.960 it was on HBO I bought. I bought a VHS 281 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:53.080 tape that someone recorded off of HBO. 282 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:54.759 I totally forgot it was on. 283 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:00.200 What's funny about that is I got it like a 284 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:05.679 week after. Uh it premiered on HBO. In the eBay 285 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:09.799 sale was canceled because they had some sort of piracy 286 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:16.919 goddamn piracy of people get that joke, you know, enforcement there, 287 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.320 And uh, I still contacted the seller. I was like, Hey, 288 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:23.080 I don't care if eBay doesn't give me shipping insurance 289 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:23.480 or whatever. 290 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:25.399 Can you just send the damn VHS? I need it? 291 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:28.720 And uh so, I haven't seen it a long time, 292 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:35.320 but you know when he asked the Pride doctor backstage 293 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:39.639 if they have anything harder? Uh that was really gripping 294 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:42.799 the shot. I don't know if it really looked like that. 295 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:45.559 I remembered it much differently, but. 296 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.720 I remember a dialogue just quickly. 297 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:51.120 It's him asking the same question, but he doesn't have 298 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:53.600 that smart ass remark to Emily Blunt. 299 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:55.039 About oh, look, age, I guess they're just an advil. 300 00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:57.879 Just have to take adviil. He doesn't. Yeah, duy, Dwayne 301 00:15:57.879 --> 00:15:58.759 takes it a little further. 302 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:00.919 There isn't that much shift follow up after, but he 303 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:03.559 does kind of roll his eyes because because the Japanese 304 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.440 doctor says you need certification to get that, and he 305 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:09.639 rolls his eyes and they cut away fast. But it's 306 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:11.879 actually I laughed out loud in that scene when Dwayne 307 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:14.639 makes a joke about just a couple of advil and like, 308 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:16.159 you know, what the fuck is this? You know, like, 309 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.120 I'm not going to get high here, doc? So is 310 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:20.320 it kind of like is it basically a beat for 311 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:24.399 beat like remake of a lot of it is? 312 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:24.720 Yeah? 313 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.159 I mean the parts that that really stuck out to 314 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.559 me is like, Okay, this isn't in the documentary is 315 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:32.799 a lot of like the domestic stuff at home, you. 316 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:35.440 Know, they don't have they don't have cameras when she 317 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:38.279 takes the gun out, they just have Mark sitting in 318 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.759 a chair describing the incident, and they they they show 319 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:43.960 a picture of his gun, but they don't they weren't 320 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:45.960 in the room when she tries to shoot herself. 321 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:48.000 I mean, it's just see that to me right there, 322 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:53.240 it's like, why are you covering beats of a story 323 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:55.200 that's already been told? Like you should be covering the 324 00:16:55.279 --> 00:17:00.039 beats that haven't been told yet. I know that I 325 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:02.000 get it. You know, I've never seen the documentary. I 326 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:04.400 don't even know about the documentary until this this movie 327 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:05.119 was announced. 328 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:06.359 But I. 329 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.960 It's like, almost in a weird way, what they should 330 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:13.440 do is and maybe they will do this, but you 331 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:15.640 shouldn't do it now, honestly, because people are gonna watch 332 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:17.759 the documentary and people are gonna watch the movie, although 333 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:19.400 maybe they won't because it did so poorly in the 334 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.400 box office, but people are gonna watch and they're gonna say, well, 335 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:23.839 wait a minute, it's the same fucking story. And like 336 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:25.960 I was saying, why don't you re release the documentary 337 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:30.519 with the home video version of of the this movie? 338 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.000 But it's I can tell you real quick, JP, they 339 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:35.400 are doing a re release. I don't know if people 340 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:36.759 know that. I don't even know if I was supposed 341 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:43.000 to say that. I had a warm conversation with Mark 342 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:45.400 the day after I saw the movie, and I'm supposed 343 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:46.319 to interview him tomorrow. 344 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:48.400 I don't know if that'll happen. 345 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:50.960 He said he didn't have time to do the interview 346 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:52.839 with me when we talked, but then we talked for 347 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:53.799 an hour and a half, and I. 348 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:57.039 Was like, why do we just about right? Yeah, but 349 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:01.039 that's an mma fighters right there big time to be fair. 350 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:02.359 I mean, that's the thing too. 351 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:05.160 You guys probably know this. You've done some interviews lately. 352 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:08.359 Like the idea of what an interview entails these days, 353 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:12.039 it's much different. Used to be just jump on the phone. 354 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:13.920 Now it's like I got to get a backdrop because 355 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:16.559 we were doing video. And it's like, I can see 356 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:18.759 why he didn't actually do the interview that day, because 357 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:19.880 I talked to him while I was in his car 358 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:20.680 the entire time. 359 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:22.680 But right, yeah, I don't know. 360 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:27.079 So it's interesting that the documentary piece, I think, you know, 361 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:30.799 it's obviously become rarefied. It's hard to find on DVD, 362 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:33.880 and and if you and if you've seen it, you 363 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:36.839 have definitely the perspective you're saying JP that you know, 364 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:40.000 it doesn't really it doesn't really make sense that you 365 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:43.319 would want to recreate it so faithfully. Now, I will 366 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:47.480 say that I purposely did not watch the documentary again 367 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:51.160 before the film because I didn't want to just be distracted. 368 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:54.039 I had heard already that it's it's very close to 369 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:56.519 the doc so I don't want to be distracted by it. 370 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:59.599 It just echoing your film so blatantly. And when I 371 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.839 went and munched it again afterwards the documentary, that is, 372 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:04.920 after seeing the film, I was glad I did it 373 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:07.440 that way because I was able to appreciate that Rock 374 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.799 really did tap into kind of like this, this almost 375 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:13.839 silent suffering of this guy. This guy is kind of 376 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:15.400 like doing a little bit and that he's kind of, 377 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.279 you know, he's got that like that little ting soft. 378 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:20.319 He's a big, giant guy and he does what it 379 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:22.720 takes to stay big and giant, but he also kind 380 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.519 of wants to be like kind of empathetic and emotional 381 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:29.680 and soft, and he you know, it's like he he 382 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:33.720 he takes pride and not flying off the handle every 383 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.200 two minutes, even though the things running through his veins 384 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:39.279 tell him to do that. So I think he got 385 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:42.160 that across, because it's probably probably the reason the documentary 386 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:43.960 struck done like this is not just because he's such 387 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:45.920 an MMA fan. It is because he probably sees a 388 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:48.920 little bit of himself and Mark in the earliest days 389 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.400 of his struggling to make it. I really felt that way. 390 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:55.119 I felt like they have similar personalities. But I would 391 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:58.920 ask TJ quickly to orient us to Mark Kerr, because 392 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:02.839 listeners of this show might not know anything about the guy, 393 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:05.079 and it's always nice to cross those streams when we can. 394 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:07.400 Yeah, so it's interesting. 395 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:10.599 I have a deep history with Mark that I didn't 396 00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:15.799 really even realize until he and I started chatting. One 397 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:17.519 of the first interviews I ever did in MMA was 398 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:20.440 when he's supposed to fight Wes Simms in Colorado. And 399 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:23.319 I didn't ask her about this, but like this, this 400 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:25.240 would be a story I would really like to know about, 401 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:29.240