WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.480 Watch Doors of Perception now on Amazon Prime. 2 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:10.400 I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder 3 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:13.400 and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird 4 00:00:13.960 --> 00:00:16.000 that people are going to have to talk about how 5 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:19.800 weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what 6 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:24.800 the hell is going on. It's not enough to say 7 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:28.120 it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts. 8 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:33.359 The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings, 9 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:40.200 possible contact with extraterrestrials. The systems which are in place 10 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:46.159 to keep the world sane are in utterly inadequate to 11 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:49.039 the forces that have been unleashed. 12 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:54.200 Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host Chris Matthew. 13 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:58.640 Today my guest is Michael Hoffman. First, be sure to 14 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:02.399 watch my new film Doors of Perception. You can watch 15 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:06.799 it now on Amazon Prime. It will soon be available 16 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:10.920 on the other streaming platforms. Please check that out. Leave 17 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:14.359 us a positive rating and review. We really appreciate that 18 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:18.959 we are booking guests for August. If you have suggestions 19 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:21.400 or you'd like to be a guest, email me Forbidden 20 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:25.400 Knowledgenews at gmail dot com and be sure to visit 21 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:30.239 our website Forbidden Knowledge dot News. We feature some incredible 22 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:33.920 podcasts on the Forbidden Knowledge Network. Today, I want to 23 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:38.239 welcome Michael Hoffman. He is an independent scholar and author 24 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:42.799 of over ten books of history and literature. Michael, Welcome, 25 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:43.680 My you doing. 26 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:48.159 Very good, Chris, thanks for having me on the show today. 27 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:50.799 Thank you so much for taking the time. Really looking 28 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:54.200 forward to sharing your work with my audience. It seems 29 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:58.640 that more people now than ever before are questioning the 30 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:02.480 nature of reality and control systems that have been steering 31 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.159 our societies and cultures as far back as documented history, 32 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:10.560 and your work explores some of the deepest levels, as 33 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:13.879 you say, of the cryptocracy and their use of ancient 34 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:18.560 occult magic and symbolism for power and control. And there's 35 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.240 so much to get to in the hour that we have. 36 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:23.960 But before we do, this is your first time on 37 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:26.319 if you'd like to tell the audience a little bit 38 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:28.840 about your work and let them know where they can 39 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:30.080 find out more about it. 40 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:35.560 Okay, well, thank you for that opportunity. I'm the author 41 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:40.879 of ten books of history and literature for conspiracy purposes. 42 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:45.400 Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare and Twilight Zone are the 43 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:50.280 main entries in that genre. I met Revisionististory dot Org 44 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.639 is the website, and I'm on substack at Michael Hoffman 45 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:57.120 dot substack dot com as well as Twitter, and that's 46 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:01.080 a in the circle. Hoffman Michael a excellent. 47 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:06.879 So maybe we could give the audience an overview of 48 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.479 some of the topics that we're discussing today as it 49 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:13.800 relates to, like I said in the intro, the cryptocracy, 50 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:16.919 how they operate, and may be a little bit of 51 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:20.800 the history. But for those that aren't familiar, tell us 52 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:24.199 about what your understanding of the cryptocracy is. 53 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:28.479 Well, it would be ruled by those who keep secrets. 54 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.719 But the irony of that is we're now in the 55 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:35.439 secrets releasing era, what I call revelation of the method. 56 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.479 It's not original to me or the making manifest of 57 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:41.840 all that is hidden. My mentor James Shelby Downard, is 58 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:44.319 the one who conveyed that to me. So we're in 59 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:48.439 a time now where the powers that be have decided 60 00:03:48.479 --> 00:03:52.319 that humanity in the West has deteriorated to such an 61 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:56.639 extent psychologically and spiritually that they can begin to reveal 62 00:03:56.800 --> 00:04:00.680 some of the crimes and conspiracies that they have perpetrated. 63 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:02.840 And we won't do anything about it, in fact that 64 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:06.439 it will increase our bondage to their rule. And that's 65 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:08.800 exactly what we're seeing now. Is this a one hundred 66 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:12.599 percent revelation, No, it isn't, of course not. One of 67 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:15.840 the reasons why Freemasonry, which has largely accomplished most of 68 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:19.839 its subjectives, is still around as an institution is is 69 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:23.240 because it keeps certain of the secrets of the cryptocracy, 70 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:26.279 which are necessary for the commission of crimes, in addition 71 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:31.040 to suborne jurors and lawyers signaling with Masonic gestures to 72 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:34.879 the judge and so forth. But otherwise, Freemasonry accomplished its 73 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:39.879 objectives with virtuoso abilities, and so in the revelation of 74 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:43.000 the method it has a more minor function. So that's 75 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.920 one aspect of it. The other is to recognize the 76 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:49.680 extent to which the occult or thirgy as I like 77 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:53.160 to call it, has invaded our own world and many people, 78 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:55.879 many other researchers have commented on this. But right now 79 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:59.480 as we speak, the Israeli Air Force has dominance over 80 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:03.199 the sky of the Middle East, and I've often thought 81 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:06.279 that this is perhaps related to the occult notion of 82 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:09.800 the propitiation of the powers of the air, which you 83 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:14.240 will find in Henry Cornelius Agrippa's three volume book on 84 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:19.639 Occult Philosophy, particularly in volume three, chapter twenty four, I 85 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:23.439 believe talking about how by propitiating these powers of the air, 86 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:27.279 occultists get control over the air. Now, how that was 87 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:31.160 visualized in the sixteenth century. Agrippa wrote that book in 88 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:36.519 fifteen thirty one. I'm not sure, maybe some invention of 89 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:40.600 Leonardo da Vinci, perhaps not. But the point is is 90 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:45.319 that here we are synchronistically or otherwise seeing Israeli forces 91 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:50.079 having almost near complete dominance in the levant over the skies, 92 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.000 and that's the principal key to their domination in the 93 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:57.079 Middle East. So there is a relevance to the occult, 94 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:01.959 to its more esoteric doctrines, perhaps more than people realize today. 95 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:06.680 Maybe we could talk a little bit about the hierarchy 96 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:12.800 of this control system. There's many people, like I said, 97 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:15.560 that are starting to look into these things, but we're 98 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:20.839 saturated with nonsense and misinformation and bad information and bad conspiracies, 99 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:24.759 so it's very difficult to sift through that and have 100 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:30.480 an understanding of the true power structure of these groups 101 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:35.000 that control everything. Would you say that at lower levels, 102 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:39.399 like in politics and even corporate levels, that they have 103 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:46.480 any understanding of the deeper layers of mysticism that's occurring here. 104 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:51.240 I think most people in America today, because they are 105 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:55.199 themselves initiates in the sense that other than being amish 106 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:58.160 or living out in the wilderness off the grid, simply 107 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:03.360 by being a percipient in this internet visual age of ours, 108 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:05.959 you're going to be initiated by all of the subliminal 109 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:07.959 cues that are posted in there. So I think that 110 00:07:08.480 --> 00:07:11.600 most Americans have a strong sense that there is a 111 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:15.560 conspiracy at work, that the appearances which the media put 112 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:20.839 forth are not substantive, don't represent reality to any formative degree, 113 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:24.279 and therefore they have questions about it. But as you say, 114 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:28.839 there is all this nonsense, trash, garbage, and misdirection signal 115 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:32.000 noise which has been put through there. I always thought 116 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:35.279 that the old television program X Files, which I never 117 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.040 really had an opportunity to watch, but which I heard 118 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:41.519 a lot about from fellow colleagues, was guilty of muddying 119 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:44.040 the waters, you know, coming up with a thing that 120 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:47.360 everyone killed Kennedy. You know, it couldn't possibly have been 121 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.279 the CIA in alliance with the mafia, because it was 122 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:53.439 also the anti communist John Birch Society, or it was 123 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.079 the Soviet Union. And when you do that, people throw 124 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.079 up their hands in the end and just say, okay, well, 125 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:01.680 then everybody killed Kennedy. If everybody killed Kennedy, then no 126 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.079 one did. And then we sink down into this demoralization, 127 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:07.800 which I said at the outset has been exploited in 128 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.279 the revelation of the method concept. So that's one aspect 129 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:14.839 to it, and the other one is the fact that 130 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:18.920 what we're dealing with right now is a great deal 131 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:23.279 of right wing distraction in the sense of scapegoating Judaic 132 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:27.240 people for certain conspiracies for which they are not responsible. Now, 133 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:30.480 this happens to other people, not just Judaics. But I 134 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:33.679 think one of the most striking examples for me is 135 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.200 in the history of usury and banking, where much of 136 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:42.399 the programmed conspiracy theorists as I call them, begin their 137 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:45.919 history of usury for some odd reason in the eighteenth century, 138 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:49.000 with the rise of the Bank of England and with 139 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:52.600 the role of the Rothschilds Meyer Rothschild came to prominence 140 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:57.159 in the late eighteenth century and his famous or infamous bank. 141 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:02.320 But that's skipping two hundred years in the origin story 142 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:06.879 of usury banking in the West, which really begins with 143 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:10.879 the infiltration of the Catholic Church by neo Platonists and 144 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:15.000 Hermeticis and Cabalists, beginning with the rise of the Platonic 145 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:18.519 Academy in Florence around the middle of the fifteenth century, 146 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:22.039 and a fellow named Plethon from Greece who brought in 147 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:25.919 many concepts of the cryptocracy and the illuminati which we're 148 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:30.240 dealing with now. He's fairly obscure person in conspiracy theory 149 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:32.840 these days, and I suppose that's the result of the 150 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:36.799 tremendous misdirection and all of the con men and hoaxers 151 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:41.000 that are on YouTube and otherwise who sell these thrills. 152 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:44.799 In my book Twilight Language, I talk about how conspiracy 153 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:49.399 theory has largely descended into an adrenaline rush and a 154 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:52.639 thrill seeking. But if we're really interested, as I am, 155 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:56.360 in documentation hard facts, then we have to esuw that 156 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:59.960 and go for the documentary record, and the documentary record 157 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.879 teaches it. As a result of this occult influence, which 158 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:08.639 was gradually incrementally infiltrating itself into what became the Church 159 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:12.360 of Rome and used to be the Catholic Church. Then 160 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:16.200 you saw the rise of usury banking when the infamous 161 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:20.480 Medici Bank, the Medici dynasty was able to put one 162 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:23.360 of their own men on the throne of Peter, as 163 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.039 it's known, and that was Leo the Tenth, the nemesis 164 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.879 of Martin Luther. Much of Martin Luther's push in the 165 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:33.559 Reformation was not simply about a war about indulgences and 166 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:37.919 issues of biblical integrity or not, although that of course 167 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.080 I'm not disparaging that. But the hidden factor there was 168 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:44.639 Luther's campaign against the renting of money, which has become 169 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:50.600 known under the grouping of usury. And because the Fuger 170 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:54.399 usery Bank, the German Catholic usury bank, was the one 171 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:57.919 that was collecting the money that the poor people were 172 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:02.759 paying in terms of the indulgence racket, and the Fuger 173 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:07.320 Bank was the wealthiest usery bank in the Western world 174 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:10.320 at that time. So all of these people are gentiles. 175 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:14.480 You can't find a Judaic there. The name Rothschild didn't 176 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:19.159 even exist at this time. Rothschild means red shield, and 177 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:23.200 there was a fellow named el Cannon That was the 178 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:26.399 actual name Ben el Canaan, and then toward the end 179 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:30.519 of the sixteenth century he became known as a rothschild, 180 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:34.639 but all he was was a inconsequential pawnbroker. So who's 181 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:39.279 responsible for the rise of lifting the Church's immemorial prohibition 182 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.919 on the renting of money and the founding of usury banking, 183 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:47.960 and that would be the renegade Catholics, the Throtsy Bank, 184 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:52.399 the Medici Bank, the Fuger Bank in cooperation with their 185 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:56.879 Medici asset who was the pontiff at the time. So 186 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.919 these are the things that interest me in terms of 187 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.759 both tracking the actual facts of the conspiracy, because it 188 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:08.000 was a conspiracy, but also noticing the misdirection that's at work. 189 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:10.840 For example, I'm a big admirer of the poetry in 190 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:14.039 prose of Ezra Pound and how much that he was 191 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:16.559 persecuted at the end of World War II for making 192 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:21.159 some radio broadcasts that were largely off the wall disquisitions 193 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:26.440 on his arcane theories about Chinese pictograms and things like that, 194 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.759 and for that he was almost executed and he was 195 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:33.320 kept in a tiger cage in the elements at the 196 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.840 end of World War Two and then imprisoned insane asylum 197 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:39.919 for twelve years at Saint Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington, d C. 198 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:44.320 All of that wins my sympathy, but unfortunately Pound, with 199 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:48.600 his love of the medici and of their sponsorship of art, 200 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:52.960 which is undoubtedly true, and of his affinity for the 201 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:56.600 Troubadour tradition in the south of France, which flirted with 202 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:00.320 occultism and in certain respects was a holdover from the 203 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:04.440 Albigensian world, it sort of defeated him in terms of 204 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:07.960 really seeing this issue clearly. So followers of does here Pound, 205 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.480 there are many of them, and I almost consider myself one, 206 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:16.519 except exempting myself in this particular topic, just follow rather 207 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:22.480 blindly the road lap that Pound created for studying the 208 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:25.879 rise of usury, and that was to scapegoat the Bank 209 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:28.559 of England, the Protestant Bank of England, because he felt 210 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:31.639 all Protestants were in bed with usurers and that they 211 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:34.360 were the ones who were responsible for the curse of usury, 212 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:37.799 when in fact it was one of the major campaigners 213 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:42.440 against usury was Martin Luther and Trump, and Pound missed 214 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.480 all of that. So it's a factor there. I realized 215 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:47.559 that it isn't as deep into the occult as maybe 216 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:49.840 some of your listeners are familiar with. But for me, 217 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.279 it's very important to show the psychological snares of people 218 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:59.159 wanting to follow confirmation bias. And I find that I 219 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:01.279 don't know if I could put statistic on it, ninety 220 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:04.960 ninety five percent of conspiracy theorists set out with this 221 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.360 is what I believe, and I'm going to go on 222 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:09.240 the internet, or I'm going to go to the library 223 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:13.480 and find the facts that confirm my preconceived belief. That's 224 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.679 not research, it's not scholarship. It would have never stood 225 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:20.120 up in the great universities of the world. Prior to 226 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.320 the nineteen sixties. A person who held those views would 227 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:28.360 have been contradicted by fellow students and professors because there 228 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:32.519 was a real intellectual environment at that time, and now 229 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:35.440 there's so much sloppy thinking as a result of the Internet. 230 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:38.120 I'm glad for the Internet, and I'm glad even for 231 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:41.600 artificial intelligencies are just tools. They can be used or abused. 232 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.559 But nonetheless, I can't deny the fact that so many 233 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.919 miseducated people or people who have a strong prejudice towards 234 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:51.399 their ideas, and I meet them all the time because 235 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:56.759 they're cutting me off if i'm substack they're subscribing to 236 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:59.600 my column, or if they're buying my books, or whatever 237 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:03.080 the case may be, and it's my way or the highway. 238 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:06.039 If I violate one of their sacred taboos and say 239 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:08.639 what I've been talking about, for example today, about the 240 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:13.080 rise of the origins of money lending, that's it, you know, 241 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:17.480 because you have crossed the bounds of what their raison 242 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:20.960 d'a tree, their reason for existences, which is to confirm 243 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:24.879 these various biases. Whereas my feeling is as a revisionist historian, 244 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:29.159 that we follow the evidence wherever it leads, including if 245 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:32.360 it subverts our own preconceived notions. 246 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:36.799 Earlier, you mentioned that we're in this period of revelation 247 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:40.360 of the method. Maybe we could talk a bit about 248 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:43.840 the progression of how we got here and the tactics 249 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:47.960 that were being used, everything from the occult symbolism and 250 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:53.320 films and movies to high impact rituals and events over 251 00:15:53.360 --> 00:16:00.240 the decades, and how they work together to produce these outcomes. 252 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.200 Well, I was a reporter for the Associated Press and 253 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:09.960 the regular media for a while and I investigated the 254 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:13.480 so called serial murders, I always almost liked to call 255 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:18.559 them spell it l in the sense that these are 256 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.919 almost vegetative, because it involves what used to be known 257 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.440 as the greening of the earth, the paganism that was 258 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.039 pro life. I'm a Christian, but I recognize that the 259 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:33.559 natural law wasized was followed by certain pagans, not all, certainly, 260 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:36.720 not the Aztecs and others like that, But there was 261 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:39.799 this sense of the natural law and following along with that, 262 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:41.600 and that was the greening of the earth, in other words, 263 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:46.039 doing everything you could to enhance the birth of children 264 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:49.799 and the cultivation of children. Then also the cultivation of 265 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.120 the land and crops, without which you had no world 266 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:55.519 and you would be destroyed. And then there is the occult, 267 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:59.159 which comes along with the blackening of the earth, and 268 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:01.960 it's a reverse or so of that. So that some 269 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:04.079 of the I happened to be a reporter in New 270 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:07.279 York at the time, and I was covering some spectacular crimes, 271 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:12.119 including the Unibomber, the Son of Sam, and the double 272 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.279 Initial murders, which are much less well known, And later 273 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:19.559 on I had other researchers assist me with for example, 274 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:23.839 John Wayne Gacy, the killer of an official number of 275 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:27.240 thirty three people, but actually we believe it was more 276 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:30.559 than that. And in Gaysey's case, it's rather interesting for 277 00:17:30.640 --> 00:17:34.359 drawing parallels here to this idea of greening and blackening. 278 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:38.839 Because Gasey became a prison house painter, he probably familiar 279 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:42.640 with it. He was able to market his paintings from prison, 280 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:46.880 and a colleague of mine had actually obtained some of 281 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:50.880 the paintings and was involved in procuring them for others. 282 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:53.640 And I got a close up look at one of 283 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:56.319 the paintings, and at first it just looks like this 284 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:01.480 sort of prosaic depiction of elves and conifer trees in 285 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:04.559 the background, and you're just thinking, well, you know, Gacy 286 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.680 was infantile, and you know this is no relevance at all. 287 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:10.599 But if you look closer in some of the vegetation 288 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:14.799 in the paintings, you'll see a face, sometimes a grinning 289 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:18.319 man like Gacy, who performed as a clown, as you know, 290 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:23.119 and had his makeup, with the makeup having his face 291 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:25.640 turned down. Rather than the happy clowns who had it 292 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.759 turned up. He actually looked very sinister. I can't imagine 293 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:32.279 inviting him to a children's birthday party with the appearance 294 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:35.559 that he projected. But nonetheless, in that painting, what you're 295 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:40.559 really seeing is the reproduction of an old symbol in 296 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:43.920 pre Christian paganism, which was the notion of the green Man. 297 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:47.440 And there's an entire study on this, if your listeners 298 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:51.599 want to pursue it, and that is the concept that 299 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:55.279 there is this personification of nature who has to be fed, 300 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:59.759 and the genius of Christianity is the feeding comes from 301 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:06.119 Ris that his sacrifice propitiated this need for the bloodletting. 302 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:10.240 Whereas in the pagan world, among those who were not 303 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.200 necessarily the followers of the natural law, but rather the 304 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:17.720 followers of whatever it took to get what they wanted 305 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:20.559 to take. In other words, might makes right, there was 306 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:24.680 this constant need to propitiate the spirit of the vedicat 307 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:29.079 vegetation so that the crops would grow and the women 308 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:32.440 would be remain fertile and children would be born. And 309 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:35.279 so that took various forms, For example, in the famous 310 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:38.680 movie The Wickerman, where someone is burned inside of a 311 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:42.279 wicker basket, and then that was replicated at Burning Man 312 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:45.519 in the Black Rock Desert, and also by the Son 313 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:51.839 of Sam murderers who rather anonymously, I say anomalously, not anonymously, 314 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:55.920 signed their letter to Jimmy Breslin. David Berkwitz did not 315 00:19:55.960 --> 00:20:00.160 write that letter, and it said it signed itself on 316 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:05.960 John Wheedy's Rapist and killer of young girls. Well, there 317 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:09.519 were no girls raped in the Son of Sam had 318 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:14.119 also signed itself Wicked King Wicker. So you know, here 319 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:17.079 we're seeing a nose thumbing right at the public, which 320 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:21.480 is very common in Satanic rituals like this, where it's 321 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:25.720 actually they're actually showing you some of their identity and 322 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:27.920 people just sit on their hands and don't follow up 323 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:30.079 with it. Well, it electrified me when I read both 324 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:32.279 of those statements, and I was able then later on 325 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:35.359 to connect the Son of Sam to the double initial 326 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.759 murders in Rochester of those girls there who were raped 327 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:42.880 and murdered. And so anyhow, it's more than just what 328 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:47.319 is presented as Satanism for the sake of being crazy. 329 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:51.480 You know, the kind of Heath Ledger character in the 330 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:54.920 Batman movie of the Joker who just does it because, 331 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:58.279 as Batman's butler says, they just want to see the 332 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:02.640 world burn. That certainly a motivation for the anarchistic element there, 333 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:07.079 the chaos element, but there's also a deeper theological connection, 334 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:10.200 and that's the one that I saw at work here, 335 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:14.759 and various other sacrificial rights that are replicated by these 336 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:19.319 under the cover of so called serial murders. But as 337 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.200 far as your larger question goes in terms of the 338 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:26.559 whole hierarchy of the cryptocracy and when it burst, I 339 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:29.599 mean there were lots of key elements here. Certainly the 340 00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:33.319 creation and destruction of primordial matter at the Trinity site 341 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:35.559 at the head of the Hormaa del Puerto or the 342 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.200 Journey of the Dead Man, which is where the first 343 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:43.119 atomic bomb was detonated. But that's the creation and destruction 344 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:47.440 of primordial matter. That was something of a revelation of 345 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:49.240 the method, but it would take a lot to be 346 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:53.599 able to see thatte in July nineteen forty five, and 347 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:57.599 then you have I think the most electrifying revelation of 348 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:02.000 the method prior to the September terror attacks, and that 349 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:05.960 was the killing of the king on or near the 350 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:09.000 thirty third degree of parallel latitude, which is also where 351 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:12.160 the atomic bomb was detonated. A smack dab on the 352 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:15.880 thirty third degree the killing of the king at the 353 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:22.240 Triple Underpass of John F. Kennedy, and that's where the 354 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:25.680 American people looking at a president who was murdered in 355 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:30.000 broad daylight near high noon and the killers get away 356 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:33.680 with it, and Lee Harvey Oswald saying having an opportunity 357 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:36.839 to say to the cameras, I'm a patsy. I think 358 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:40.559 that that electrified people. But it was what the cryptocracy 359 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:43.319 wanted in this revelation of the method. They wanted us 360 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:46.920 to be electrified and then waiting for Jaggar Hoover in 361 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:50.519 the FBI or some other trusted police force to come 362 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:52.920 forward and deliver the goods to us in terms of 363 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:57.160 who the real perpetrators were when it doesn't happen, were demoralized. 364 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:05.039 Most of stepping outside of that vegetative sacrificial matrix that 365 00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:07.640 I'm talking about. If you're stepping outside of that, then 366 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:12.920 another objective of the cryptocracy is the psychological warfare against 367 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:18.680 us spiritually and mentally, and that psychological warfare entails demoralization 368 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:22.680 and burning us out. So we're awaiting, you know, we're 369 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:27.000 wounded by the Kennedy assassination and we're awaiting a solution 370 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.640 to it. And we're never given it. In fact, quite 371 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:32.799 the opposite. The Warrant Commission comes along and says it's 372 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:36.519 just one lone nut who's responsible. And then with all 373 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:40.640 of that, anks that we're experiencing psychological and spiritual angst 374 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:45.680 and obscure. Mop top band debuts on the Ed Sullivan 375 00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:49.000 Show a few months later February of nineteen sixty four, 376 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:52.720 named the Beatles, and they create such a sensation across 377 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.160 the West that John Lennon says, we're more popular than 378 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:00.680 Jesus Christ. And so you see this a need for 379 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:04.279 healing which is then channeled into rock and roll in 380 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.799 the Beatles. And you'll also see the emptiness of being 381 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:11.559 left to realize what had happened to Kennedy, at least 382 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:14.920 in some very limited fashion, as if the lights were 383 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.680 turned off. But we know there's an intruder there, we're 384 00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:19.839 trying to find him. So it was almost in Ko 385 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:21.880 eight in terms of what we were trying to do. 386 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:25.160 And then that opened us up to a whole fleet 387 00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:30.319 of conspiracy theorists, some of them sincere, others them representing 388 00:24:31.240 --> 00:24:36.599 merchandisers for the commerce that's involved in conspiracy theory. Because 389 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:38.640 people can make a living off of it and have 390 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.440 I'm not going to mention any names along with selling 391 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.119 vitamins and gold coins, and there's nothing wrong with gold 392 00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:47.559 coins and vitamins, but along with that also marketing this 393 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.160 as a business, and then the whole thing descends down. 394 00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:54.319 So we didn't really have the advance that we should have, 395 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:59.960 especially in terms of when we had both the Frank 396 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:05.039 Church Committee with the Senate Select Committee on Assassinations. Frank 397 00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:09.400 Church was a US senator here from where I live 398 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:12.240 in Idaho, a great man. We have the River of 399 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:15.839 No Return Wilderness named after him. And then later on, 400 00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:18.960 even more productive was the congression of the House of 401 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.279