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Speaker 1: welcome Michael Hoffman. He is an independent scholar and author
Speaker 1: of over ten books of history and literature. Michael, Welcome,
Speaker 1: My you doing.
Speaker 3: Very good, Chris, thanks for having me on the show today.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time. Really looking
Speaker 1: forward to sharing your work with my audience. It seems
Speaker 1: that more people now than ever before are questioning the
Speaker 1: nature of reality and control systems that have been steering
Speaker 1: our societies and cultures as far back as documented history,
Speaker 1: and your work explores some of the deepest levels, as
Speaker 1: you say, of the cryptocracy and their use of ancient
Speaker 1: occult magic and symbolism for power and control. And there's
Speaker 1: so much to get to in the hour that we have.
Speaker 1: But before we do, this is your first time on
Speaker 1: if you'd like to tell the audience a little bit
Speaker 1: about your work and let them know where they can
Speaker 1: find out more about it.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, thank you for that opportunity. I'm the author
Speaker 3: of ten books of history and literature for conspiracy purposes.
Speaker 3: Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare and Twilight Zone are the
Speaker 3: main entries in that genre. I met Revisionististory dot Org
Speaker 3: is the website, and I'm on substack at Michael Hoffman
Speaker 3: dot substack dot com as well as Twitter, and that's
Speaker 3: a in the circle. Hoffman Michael a excellent.
Speaker 1: So maybe we could give the audience an overview of
Speaker 1: some of the topics that we're discussing today as it
Speaker 1: relates to, like I said in the intro, the cryptocracy,
Speaker 1: how they operate, and may be a little bit of
Speaker 1: the history. But for those that aren't familiar, tell us
Speaker 1: about what your understanding of the cryptocracy is.
Speaker 3: Well, it would be ruled by those who keep secrets.
Speaker 3: But the irony of that is we're now in the
Speaker 3: secrets releasing era, what I call revelation of the method.
Speaker 3: It's not original to me or the making manifest of
Speaker 3: all that is hidden. My mentor James Shelby Downard, is
Speaker 3: the one who conveyed that to me. So we're in
Speaker 3: a time now where the powers that be have decided
Speaker 3: that humanity in the West has deteriorated to such an
Speaker 3: extent psychologically and spiritually that they can begin to reveal
Speaker 3: some of the crimes and conspiracies that they have perpetrated.
Speaker 3: And we won't do anything about it, in fact that
Speaker 3: it will increase our bondage to their rule. And that's
Speaker 3: exactly what we're seeing now. Is this a one hundred
Speaker 3: percent revelation, No, it isn't, of course not. One of
Speaker 3: the reasons why Freemasonry, which has largely accomplished most of
Speaker 3: its subjectives, is still around as an institution is is
Speaker 3: because it keeps certain of the secrets of the cryptocracy,
Speaker 3: which are necessary for the commission of crimes, in addition
Speaker 3: to suborne jurors and lawyers signaling with Masonic gestures to
Speaker 3: the judge and so forth. But otherwise, Freemasonry accomplished its
Speaker 3: objectives with virtuoso abilities, and so in the revelation of
Speaker 3: the method it has a more minor function. So that's
Speaker 3: one aspect of it. The other is to recognize the
Speaker 3: extent to which the occult or thirgy as I like
Speaker 3: to call it, has invaded our own world and many people,
Speaker 3: many other researchers have commented on this. But right now
Speaker 3: as we speak, the Israeli Air Force has dominance over
Speaker 3: the sky of the Middle East, and I've often thought
Speaker 3: that this is perhaps related to the occult notion of
Speaker 3: the propitiation of the powers of the air, which you
Speaker 3: will find in Henry Cornelius Agrippa's three volume book on
Speaker 3: Occult Philosophy, particularly in volume three, chapter twenty four, I
Speaker 3: believe talking about how by propitiating these powers of the air,
Speaker 3: occultists get control over the air. Now, how that was
Speaker 3: visualized in the sixteenth century. Agrippa wrote that book in
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty one. I'm not sure, maybe some invention of
Speaker 3: Leonardo da Vinci, perhaps not. But the point is is
Speaker 3: that here we are synchronistically or otherwise seeing Israeli forces
Speaker 3: having almost near complete dominance in the levant over the skies,
Speaker 3: and that's the principal key to their domination in the
Speaker 3: Middle East. So there is a relevance to the occult,
Speaker 3: to its more esoteric doctrines, perhaps more than people realize today.
Speaker 1: Maybe we could talk a little bit about the hierarchy
Speaker 1: of this control system. There's many people, like I said,
Speaker 1: that are starting to look into these things, but we're
Speaker 1: saturated with nonsense and misinformation and bad information and bad conspiracies,
Speaker 1: so it's very difficult to sift through that and have
Speaker 1: an understanding of the true power structure of these groups
Speaker 1: that control everything. Would you say that at lower levels,
Speaker 1: like in politics and even corporate levels, that they have
Speaker 1: any understanding of the deeper layers of mysticism that's occurring here.
Speaker 3: I think most people in America today, because they are
Speaker 3: themselves initiates in the sense that other than being amish
Speaker 3: or living out in the wilderness off the grid, simply
Speaker 3: by being a percipient in this internet visual age of ours,
Speaker 3: you're going to be initiated by all of the subliminal
Speaker 3: cues that are posted in there. So I think that
Speaker 3: most Americans have a strong sense that there is a
Speaker 3: conspiracy at work, that the appearances which the media put
Speaker 3: forth are not substantive, don't represent reality to any formative degree,
Speaker 3: and therefore they have questions about it. But as you say,
Speaker 3: there is all this nonsense, trash, garbage, and misdirection signal
Speaker 3: noise which has been put through there. I always thought
Speaker 3: that the old television program X Files, which I never
Speaker 3: really had an opportunity to watch, but which I heard
Speaker 3: a lot about from fellow colleagues, was guilty of muddying
Speaker 3: the waters, you know, coming up with a thing that
Speaker 3: everyone killed Kennedy. You know, it couldn't possibly have been
Speaker 3: the CIA in alliance with the mafia, because it was
Speaker 3: also the anti communist John Birch Society, or it was
Speaker 3: the Soviet Union. And when you do that, people throw
Speaker 3: up their hands in the end and just say, okay, well,
Speaker 3: then everybody killed Kennedy. If everybody killed Kennedy, then no
Speaker 3: one did. And then we sink down into this demoralization,
Speaker 3: which I said at the outset has been exploited in
Speaker 3: the revelation of the method concept. So that's one aspect
Speaker 3: to it, and the other one is the fact that
Speaker 3: what we're dealing with right now is a great deal
Speaker 3: of right wing distraction in the sense of scapegoating Judaic
Speaker 3: people for certain conspiracies for which they are not responsible. Now,
Speaker 3: this happens to other people, not just Judaics. But I
Speaker 3: think one of the most striking examples for me is
Speaker 3: in the history of usury and banking, where much of
Speaker 3: the programmed conspiracy theorists as I call them, begin their
Speaker 3: history of usury for some odd reason in the eighteenth century,
Speaker 3: with the rise of the Bank of England and with
Speaker 3: the role of the Rothschilds Meyer Rothschild came to prominence
Speaker 3: in the late eighteenth century and his famous or infamous bank.
Speaker 3: But that's skipping two hundred years in the origin story
Speaker 3: of usury banking in the West, which really begins with
Speaker 3: the infiltration of the Catholic Church by neo Platonists and
Speaker 3: Hermeticis and Cabalists, beginning with the rise of the Platonic
Speaker 3: Academy in Florence around the middle of the fifteenth century,
Speaker 3: and a fellow named Plethon from Greece who brought in
Speaker 3: many concepts of the cryptocracy and the illuminati which we're
Speaker 3: dealing with now. He's fairly obscure person in conspiracy theory
Speaker 3: these days, and I suppose that's the result of the
Speaker 3: tremendous misdirection and all of the con men and hoaxers
Speaker 3: that are on YouTube and otherwise who sell these thrills.
Speaker 3: In my book Twilight Language, I talk about how conspiracy
Speaker 3: theory has largely descended into an adrenaline rush and a
Speaker 3: thrill seeking. But if we're really interested, as I am,
Speaker 3: in documentation hard facts, then we have to esuw that
Speaker 3: and go for the documentary record, and the documentary record
Speaker 3: teaches it. As a result of this occult influence, which
Speaker 3: was gradually incrementally infiltrating itself into what became the Church
Speaker 3: of Rome and used to be the Catholic Church. Then
Speaker 3: you saw the rise of usury banking when the infamous
Speaker 3: Medici Bank, the Medici dynasty was able to put one
Speaker 3: of their own men on the throne of Peter, as
Speaker 3: it's known, and that was Leo the Tenth, the nemesis
Speaker 3: of Martin Luther. Much of Martin Luther's push in the
Speaker 3: Reformation was not simply about a war about indulgences and
Speaker 3: issues of biblical integrity or not, although that of course
Speaker 3: I'm not disparaging that. But the hidden factor there was
Speaker 3: Luther's campaign against the renting of money, which has become
Speaker 3: known under the grouping of usury. And because the Fuger
Speaker 3: usery Bank, the German Catholic usury bank, was the one
Speaker 3: that was collecting the money that the poor people were
Speaker 3: paying in terms of the indulgence racket, and the Fuger
Speaker 3: Bank was the wealthiest usery bank in the Western world
Speaker 3: at that time. So all of these people are gentiles.
Speaker 3: You can't find a Judaic there. The name Rothschild didn't
Speaker 3: even exist at this time. Rothschild means red shield, and
Speaker 3: there was a fellow named el Cannon That was the
Speaker 3: actual name Ben el Canaan, and then toward the end
Speaker 3: of the sixteenth century he became known as a rothschild,
Speaker 3: but all he was was a inconsequential pawnbroker. So who's
Speaker 3: responsible for the rise of lifting the Church's immemorial prohibition
Speaker 3: on the renting of money and the founding of usury banking,
Speaker 3: and that would be the renegade Catholics, the Throtsy Bank,
Speaker 3: the Medici Bank, the Fuger Bank in cooperation with their
Speaker 3: Medici asset who was the pontiff at the time. So
Speaker 3: these are the things that interest me in terms of
Speaker 3: both tracking the actual facts of the conspiracy, because it
Speaker 3: was a conspiracy, but also noticing the misdirection that's at work.
Speaker 3: For example, I'm a big admirer of the poetry in
Speaker 3: prose of Ezra Pound and how much that he was
Speaker 3: persecuted at the end of World War II for making
Speaker 3: some radio broadcasts that were largely off the wall disquisitions
Speaker 3: on his arcane theories about Chinese pictograms and things like that,
Speaker 3: and for that he was almost executed and he was
Speaker 3: kept in a tiger cage in the elements at the
Speaker 3: end of World War Two and then imprisoned insane asylum
Speaker 3: for twelve years at Saint Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: All of that wins my sympathy, but unfortunately Pound, with
Speaker 3: his love of the medici and of their sponsorship of art,
Speaker 3: which is undoubtedly true, and of his affinity for the
Speaker 3: Troubadour tradition in the south of France, which flirted with
Speaker 3: occultism and in certain respects was a holdover from the
Speaker 3: Albigensian world, it sort of defeated him in terms of
Speaker 3: really seeing this issue clearly. So followers of does here Pound,
Speaker 3: there are many of them, and I almost consider myself one,
Speaker 3: except exempting myself in this particular topic, just follow rather
Speaker 3: blindly the road lap that Pound created for studying the
Speaker 3: rise of usury, and that was to scapegoat the Bank
Speaker 3: of England, the Protestant Bank of England, because he felt
Speaker 3: all Protestants were in bed with usurers and that they
Speaker 3: were the ones who were responsible for the curse of usury,
Speaker 3: when in fact it was one of the major campaigners
Speaker 3: against usury was Martin Luther and Trump, and Pound missed
Speaker 3: all of that. So it's a factor there. I realized
Speaker 3: that it isn't as deep into the occult as maybe
Speaker 3: some of your listeners are familiar with. But for me,
Speaker 3: it's very important to show the psychological snares of people
Speaker 3: wanting to follow confirmation bias. And I find that I
Speaker 3: don't know if I could put statistic on it, ninety
Speaker 3: ninety five percent of conspiracy theorists set out with this
Speaker 3: is what I believe, and I'm going to go on
Speaker 3: the internet, or I'm going to go to the library
Speaker 3: and find the facts that confirm my preconceived belief. That's
Speaker 3: not research, it's not scholarship. It would have never stood
Speaker 3: up in the great universities of the world. Prior to
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties. A person who held those views would
Speaker 3: have been contradicted by fellow students and professors because there
Speaker 3: was a real intellectual environment at that time, and now
Speaker 3: there's so much sloppy thinking as a result of the Internet.
Speaker 3: I'm glad for the Internet, and I'm glad even for
Speaker 3: artificial intelligencies are just tools. They can be used or abused.
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, I can't deny the fact that so many
Speaker 3: miseducated people or people who have a strong prejudice towards
Speaker 3: their ideas, and I meet them all the time because
Speaker 3: they're cutting me off if i'm substack they're subscribing to
Speaker 3: my column, or if they're buying my books, or whatever
Speaker 3: the case may be, and it's my way or the highway.
Speaker 3: If I violate one of their sacred taboos and say
Speaker 3: what I've been talking about, for example today, about the
Speaker 3: rise of the origins of money lending, that's it, you know,
Speaker 3: because you have crossed the bounds of what their raison
Speaker 3: d'a tree, their reason for existences, which is to confirm
Speaker 3: these various biases. Whereas my feeling is as a revisionist historian,
Speaker 3: that we follow the evidence wherever it leads, including if
Speaker 3: it subverts our own preconceived notions.
Speaker 1: Earlier, you mentioned that we're in this period of revelation
Speaker 1: of the method. Maybe we could talk a bit about
Speaker 1: the progression of how we got here and the tactics
Speaker 1: that were being used, everything from the occult symbolism and
Speaker 1: films and movies to high impact rituals and events over
Speaker 1: the decades, and how they work together to produce these outcomes.
Speaker 3: Well, I was a reporter for the Associated Press and
Speaker 3: the regular media for a while and I investigated the
Speaker 3: so called serial murders, I always almost liked to call
Speaker 3: them spell it l in the sense that these are
Speaker 3: almost vegetative, because it involves what used to be known
Speaker 3: as the greening of the earth, the paganism that was
Speaker 3: pro life. I'm a Christian, but I recognize that the
Speaker 3: natural law wasized was followed by certain pagans, not all, certainly,
Speaker 3: not the Aztecs and others like that, But there was
Speaker 3: this sense of the natural law and following along with that,
Speaker 3: and that was the greening of the earth, in other words,
Speaker 3: doing everything you could to enhance the birth of children
Speaker 3: and the cultivation of children. Then also the cultivation of
Speaker 3: the land and crops, without which you had no world
Speaker 3: and you would be destroyed. And then there is the occult,
Speaker 3: which comes along with the blackening of the earth, and
Speaker 3: it's a reverse or so of that. So that some
Speaker 3: of the I happened to be a reporter in New
Speaker 3: York at the time, and I was covering some spectacular crimes,
Speaker 3: including the Unibomber, the Son of Sam, and the double
Speaker 3: Initial murders, which are much less well known, And later
Speaker 3: on I had other researchers assist me with for example,
Speaker 3: John Wayne Gacy, the killer of an official number of
Speaker 3: thirty three people, but actually we believe it was more
Speaker 3: than that. And in Gaysey's case, it's rather interesting for
Speaker 3: drawing parallels here to this idea of greening and blackening.
Speaker 3: Because Gasey became a prison house painter, he probably familiar
Speaker 3: with it. He was able to market his paintings from prison,
Speaker 3: and a colleague of mine had actually obtained some of
Speaker 3: the paintings and was involved in procuring them for others.
Speaker 3: And I got a close up look at one of
Speaker 3: the paintings, and at first it just looks like this
Speaker 3: sort of prosaic depiction of elves and conifer trees in
Speaker 3: the background, and you're just thinking, well, you know, Gacy
Speaker 3: was infantile, and you know this is no relevance at all.
Speaker 3: But if you look closer in some of the vegetation
Speaker 3: in the paintings, you'll see a face, sometimes a grinning
Speaker 3: man like Gacy, who performed as a clown, as you know,
Speaker 3: and had his makeup, with the makeup having his face
Speaker 3: turned down. Rather than the happy clowns who had it
Speaker 3: turned up. He actually looked very sinister. I can't imagine
Speaker 3: inviting him to a children's birthday party with the appearance
Speaker 3: that he projected. But nonetheless, in that painting, what you're
Speaker 3: really seeing is the reproduction of an old symbol in
Speaker 3: pre Christian paganism, which was the notion of the green Man.
Speaker 3: And there's an entire study on this, if your listeners
Speaker 3: want to pursue it, and that is the concept that
Speaker 3: there is this personification of nature who has to be fed,
Speaker 3: and the genius of Christianity is the feeding comes from
Speaker 3: Ris that his sacrifice propitiated this need for the bloodletting.
Speaker 3: Whereas in the pagan world, among those who were not
Speaker 3: necessarily the followers of the natural law, but rather the
Speaker 3: followers of whatever it took to get what they wanted
Speaker 3: to take. In other words, might makes right, there was
Speaker 3: this constant need to propitiate the spirit of the vedicat
Speaker 3: vegetation so that the crops would grow and the women
Speaker 3: would be remain fertile and children would be born. And
Speaker 3: so that took various forms, For example, in the famous
Speaker 3: movie The Wickerman, where someone is burned inside of a
Speaker 3: wicker basket, and then that was replicated at Burning Man
Speaker 3: in the Black Rock Desert, and also by the Son
Speaker 3: of Sam murderers who rather anonymously, I say anomalously, not anonymously,
Speaker 3: signed their letter to Jimmy Breslin. David Berkwitz did not
Speaker 3: write that letter, and it said it signed itself on
Speaker 3: John Wheedy's Rapist and killer of young girls. Well, there
Speaker 3: were no girls raped in the Son of Sam had
Speaker 3: also signed itself Wicked King Wicker. So you know, here
Speaker 3: we're seeing a nose thumbing right at the public, which
Speaker 3: is very common in Satanic rituals like this, where it's
Speaker 3: actually they're actually showing you some of their identity and
Speaker 3: people just sit on their hands and don't follow up
Speaker 3: with it. Well, it electrified me when I read both
Speaker 3: of those statements, and I was able then later on
Speaker 3: to connect the Son of Sam to the double initial
Speaker 3: murders in Rochester of those girls there who were raped
Speaker 3: and murdered. And so anyhow, it's more than just what
Speaker 3: is presented as Satanism for the sake of being crazy.
Speaker 3: You know, the kind of Heath Ledger character in the
Speaker 3: Batman movie of the Joker who just does it because,
Speaker 3: as Batman's butler says, they just want to see the
Speaker 3: world burn. That certainly a motivation for the anarchistic element there,
Speaker 3: the chaos element, but there's also a deeper theological connection,
Speaker 3: and that's the one that I saw at work here,
Speaker 3: and various other sacrificial rights that are replicated by these
Speaker 3: under the cover of so called serial murders. But as
Speaker 3: far as your larger question goes in terms of the
Speaker 3: whole hierarchy of the cryptocracy and when it burst, I
Speaker 3: mean there were lots of key elements here. Certainly the
Speaker 3: creation and destruction of primordial matter at the Trinity site
Speaker 3: at the head of the Hormaa del Puerto or the
Speaker 3: Journey of the Dead Man, which is where the first
Speaker 3: atomic bomb was detonated. But that's the creation and destruction
Speaker 3: of primordial matter. That was something of a revelation of
Speaker 3: the method, but it would take a lot to be
Speaker 3: able to see thatte in July nineteen forty five, and
Speaker 3: then you have I think the most electrifying revelation of
Speaker 3: the method prior to the September terror attacks, and that
Speaker 3: was the killing of the king on or near the
Speaker 3: thirty third degree of parallel latitude, which is also where
Speaker 3: the atomic bomb was detonated. A smack dab on the
Speaker 3: thirty third degree the killing of the king at the
Speaker 3: Triple Underpass of John F. Kennedy, and that's where the
Speaker 3: American people looking at a president who was murdered in
Speaker 3: broad daylight near high noon and the killers get away
Speaker 3: with it, and Lee Harvey Oswald saying having an opportunity
Speaker 3: to say to the cameras, I'm a patsy. I think
Speaker 3: that that electrified people. But it was what the cryptocracy
Speaker 3: wanted in this revelation of the method. They wanted us
Speaker 3: to be electrified and then waiting for Jaggar Hoover in
Speaker 3: the FBI or some other trusted police force to come
Speaker 3: forward and deliver the goods to us in terms of
Speaker 3: who the real perpetrators were when it doesn't happen, were demoralized.
Speaker 3: Most of stepping outside of that vegetative sacrificial matrix that
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. If you're stepping outside of that, then
Speaker 3: another objective of the cryptocracy is the psychological warfare against
Speaker 3: us spiritually and mentally, and that psychological warfare entails demoralization
Speaker 3: and burning us out. So we're awaiting, you know, we're
Speaker 3: wounded by the Kennedy assassination and we're awaiting a solution
Speaker 3: to it. And we're never given it. In fact, quite
Speaker 3: the opposite. The Warrant Commission comes along and says it's
Speaker 3: just one lone nut who's responsible. And then with all
Speaker 3: of that, anks that we're experiencing psychological and spiritual angst
Speaker 3: and obscure. Mop top band debuts on the Ed Sullivan
Speaker 3: Show a few months later February of nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 3: named the Beatles, and they create such a sensation across
Speaker 3: the West that John Lennon says, we're more popular than
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. And so you see this a need for
Speaker 3: healing which is then channeled into rock and roll in
Speaker 3: the Beatles. And you'll also see the emptiness of being
Speaker 3: left to realize what had happened to Kennedy, at least
Speaker 3: in some very limited fashion, as if the lights were
Speaker 3: turned off. But we know there's an intruder there, we're
Speaker 3: trying to find him. So it was almost in Ko
Speaker 3: eight in terms of what we were trying to do.
Speaker 3: And then that opened us up to a whole fleet
Speaker 3: of conspiracy theorists, some of them sincere, others them representing
Speaker 3: merchandisers for the commerce that's involved in conspiracy theory. Because
Speaker 3: people can make a living off of it and have
Speaker 3: I'm not going to mention any names along with selling
Speaker 3: vitamins and gold coins, and there's nothing wrong with gold
Speaker 3: coins and vitamins, but along with that also marketing this
Speaker 3: as a business, and then the whole thing descends down.
Speaker 3: So we didn't really have the advance that we should have,
Speaker 3: especially in terms of when we had both the Frank
Speaker 3: Church Committee with the Senate Select Committee on Assassinations. Frank
Speaker 3: Church was a US senator here from where I live
Speaker 3: in Idaho, a great man. We have the River of
Speaker 3: No Return Wilderness named after him. And then later on,
Speaker 3: even more productive was the congression of the House of
Speaker 3: Representatives Committee on this when a great deal of information
Speaker 3: was revealed, but again very little being done with it.
Speaker 3: And when I say very little, what do I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean bringing the perpetrators to justice. That's what I
Speaker 3: really mean. I don't just mean like, well, We're going
Speaker 3: to go on TV, on national TV, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to give this revelation. When you do that, you're just
Speaker 3: part of the revelation of the method. One of the
Speaker 3: reasons why the cryptocracy has all of this power is
Speaker 3: because it can recruit from all elements of society telling them,
Speaker 3: when you commit the crimes we want you to commit,
Speaker 3: you'll be doing so with impunity. Plus we're promising you sex, drugs, wealth, power,
Speaker 3: or whatever it is that you need in return for this,
Speaker 3: and that's an enormous temptation. Whereas when D. A. Garrison,
Speaker 3: however flawed his investigation may have been, and I continue
Speaker 3: to admire him very much. When D. A. Garrison opened
Speaker 3: his investigation in New Orleans into the roots of the
Speaker 3: assassination of JFK with some of the principles involved, particularly
Speaker 3: the guys who were right there on the scene with
Speaker 3: the killer, the alleged the killer, Lee Harvey Oswoll. He
Speaker 3: wasn't the killer, but the alleged killer. That was really
Speaker 3: something that was potent. It possessed a potency. And that's
Speaker 3: why all the powers of the United States government and
Speaker 3: of the ruling class were brought to bear against Garrison.
Speaker 3: You know, he was he was prosecuted, The CIA came
Speaker 3: in and tried to shut him down. It was a
Speaker 3: nearly all black jury which rescued him from actually being convicted.
Speaker 3: But he stood up to all of it. Was consistently courageous,
Speaker 3: and I admire him. Was his investigation flawed. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: didn't know what we know today. But he was trying
Speaker 3: to bring these people to justice. And you know Jack Ruby.
Speaker 3: Of course Ruby would be in prison and talking to
Speaker 3: Dorothy Kilgellen and ultimately silenced by a CIA doctor who
Speaker 3: was running LSD. Demanson in the hate Ashbury district. And
Speaker 3: you know, and so this is what's really going on here.
Speaker 3: Are we going to bring the perpetrators to justice? Are
Speaker 3: we going to continue to say that Stephen Paddock was
Speaker 3: the Loane nut who shot down those Country and Western
Speaker 3: fans in Las Vegas against all the facts that militate
Speaker 3: against that, including his own family's testimony. Or are we
Speaker 3: going to find the government agents who killed him, set
Speaker 3: up the machine gun and did those murders. Those people
Speaker 3: are still alive, they should be brought to justice. That's
Speaker 3: what would really set up a new world. We would
Speaker 3: be entering a new world then if the people can
Speaker 3: admitted these crimes were in fear of being prosecuted, and
Speaker 3: that's what Garrison tried to do, and since then I
Speaker 3: haven't seen it. Now, probably if something could have gotten going,
Speaker 3: either with the Frank Church Committee or the Congressional Committee,
Speaker 3: it would have led to prosecutions, but of course they
Speaker 3: were obstructed. And it's just like the obstruction of our
Speaker 3: movement here in the United States where Trump was allegedly
Speaker 3: elected so that we could have cheap gas, so we
Speaker 3: could have lower no taxes, we could stay out of
Speaker 3: these foreign wars, which he's repeatedly criticized, and then because
Speaker 3: of the enormous money power and other forms of power
Speaker 3: being exerted, and it looks like we have to go
Speaker 3: to war. And to a certain extent, we have been
Speaker 3: going to war for the Israelis because we've provided them
Speaker 3: with the bombs and the billions of dollars, but we
Speaker 3: may actually have boots on the ground or jets in
Speaker 3: the air above Iran. Well, we did that in Iraq,
Speaker 3: we did it in Afghanistan. We spent trillions of dollars.
Speaker 3: The quality of life in America's second rate, so that
Speaker 3: Israeli policy in the the least can be first rate.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's an ongoing problem. But as a Christian,
Speaker 3: I have faith that God's in charge and that things
Speaker 3: ultimately will be corrected.
Speaker 1: When you look at the deeper levels of how everything connects,
Speaker 1: the ritualistic aspects, the synchronicities. This is where it becomes
Speaker 1: very difficult for people to follow the story, to look
Speaker 1: deeper into it, because it seems like there's too many
Speaker 1: intricate parts that fit together. There's too much on a
Speaker 1: larger scale that works and causes these results that benefit
Speaker 1: these parasites every time. Do you think that this is
Speaker 1: completely orchestrated by these powerful groups or is it also
Speaker 1: some greater force that is propelling the events as well?
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question. In other words, is this
Speaker 3: an organization that serfs a kind of energy that we
Speaker 3: have no name for yet, or or is it entirely
Speaker 3: terrestrially bound. I don't have an answer to that, But
Speaker 3: what I would say is people like Anton Mesmer, who's
Speaker 3: credited with being the inventor of hypnotism, but he was
Speaker 3: also very much interested in magnetism and what we would
Speaker 3: call charisma today, And it seems to me that he
Speaker 3: was one of the first that we know of in
Speaker 3: written history to try and link symbols and language or
Speaker 3: twilight language as I call neural linguistic programming, to try
Speaker 3: and surf this energy. And you know, that's that's certainly
Speaker 3: a possibility. At the same time, you have the organizational
Speaker 3: discipline and wisdom of a cryptocracy which has passed down
Speaker 3: its organizational secrets to one initiate after another, down through
Speaker 3: the quarters of time, and that ipso facto makes it powerful.
Speaker 3: And so that I also think that we should understand
Speaker 3: that the cryptocracy wants us to believe that they are omniscient, omnipotent,
Speaker 3: and vulnerable, and those things are not true. There are
Speaker 3: human beings who are fallible. I would say. One way
Speaker 3: the revelation of the method was defeated in service to
Speaker 3: the cryptocracy was when Trump was used by good forces,
Speaker 3: perhaps without his knowledge or whatever, when during his campaign
Speaker 3: he led a television series where of commercials where he
Speaker 3: talked about the trans movement, which I regard as one
Speaker 3: of the most unrealistic violations of reality. To say that
Speaker 3: xx chromosomes or x y chromosomes are both the same
Speaker 3: is like saying two plus two is five. And when
Speaker 3: people are subscribing to that, and millions of people in
Speaker 3: the West do, then you have an almost total breakdown
Speaker 3: of cognition and the ability to reason. So apart from
Speaker 3: any biblical or moral objection to that, there's an objection
Speaker 3: epistemologically on what happens to our ability to grock knowledge
Speaker 3: if this level of hallucination is extant. And so what
Speaker 3: you had was the famous commercial where some of the
Speaker 3: various transvestite people who worked for Biden were shown and
Speaker 3: then the voiceover says, these people's pronoun as they them,
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's pronown is you. And polls after Trump's reelection
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four tended to show that, believe it
Speaker 3: or not, that was a considerable factor the desire to
Speaker 3: re establish reality on the differences between men and women,
Speaker 3: the undeniable differences between men and women, was a factor
Speaker 3: in his election. So that's not what the cryptocracy wanted.
Speaker 3: You know, among the Japanese, they send their children, or
Speaker 3: at least traditionally they did. Girls went to girls' schools,
Speaker 3: boys went to boys' school And when you study what
Speaker 3: the rationale is behind that, they say is that we
Speaker 3: want our girls really feminine and we want our boys
Speaker 3: really masculine, because that polarity is what creates life, and
Speaker 3: that where things are all alike, and then whereas this
Speaker 3: unanimity in things, there is much death. And so even
Speaker 3: though I realized that the performative rhetoric is diversity, but
Speaker 3: actually they're not for diversity because the most diverse segment
Speaker 3: of the human race are white people. I mean in
Speaker 3: terms of our varying eye color and hair color and
Speaker 3: skin color and so forth. If you are really championing diversity,
Speaker 3: then other people would say, hey, let's make sure that
Speaker 3: we cultivate white people because they're really diverse. You know,
Speaker 3: a lot of the rest. I'm not setting up any
Speaker 3: racial hierarchy here. I'm completely antii racist. In fact, in
Speaker 3: many ways, the way whites behave and how much they've
Speaker 3: lost angers me against them more than others. But still,
Speaker 3: the point is is that you have whole races of
Speaker 3: people that, maybe politically correct to say it, they all
Speaker 3: have black eyes, black hair. It's not very diverse. So
Speaker 3: just from the point of view of esthetics, just from
Speaker 3: the point of view of a human reaction, you know
Speaker 3: that the diversity thing is a phony because the people
Speaker 3: who represent that the most are really targets of vituperation
Speaker 3: and perhaps even genocide to a certain degree. But that's
Speaker 3: a side issue. The main thing is is where is
Speaker 3: reality and what happened to the revelation of the method.
Speaker 3: It was defeated in that particular time I think with
Speaker 3: DA Garrison, with DA Jim Garrison taking David Ferry or
Speaker 3: attempting to take him to trial before he was killed,
Speaker 3: and some of the other guy bringing up Guy Banister,
Speaker 3: the ex FBI agent who was a key here in
Speaker 3: dealing with the with the people who were actually involved
Speaker 3: in the conspiracy. All of those things were also extremely
Speaker 3: close to upsetting the whole apple cart. And I like
Speaker 3: to think that some of the work I've done, almost
Speaker 3: all the research I did on Son of Sam and
Speaker 3: the Double Initial is in my Secret Society's book, and
Speaker 3: much of the follow up is in Twilight language. I
Speaker 3: like to think that that's done some good. Also, the
Speaker 3: new information that's been gathering around my mentor, James Shelby Downard.
Speaker 3: Finally there's been a book. I have it somewhere here
Speaker 3: on my shelf. Oh there, it is, Stalking the Great Horror.
Speaker 3: That's the one that I recommend to your readers. There's
Speaker 3: another one called Carnivals of Life and Death that does
Speaker 3: not represent mister Downer. I had authorized the publication of
Speaker 3: that after his death. I wish I hadn't, because it
Speaker 3: was a botched job and his reputation suffered as a result.
Speaker 3: Of that, but Stalking the Great Horror is a great
Speaker 3: is a fine representation of his use and ideas, and
Speaker 3: it's out there on Amazon and elsewhere. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: have a lot of hope.
Speaker 1: I want to further explore the hope that you have
Speaker 1: and maybe offer solutions. But before we do, I want
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on what this administration represents. You
Speaker 1: mentioned Trump. Do you think that he is knowingly a
Speaker 1: part of the cryptocracy?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, but I think for venal reasons. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think if someone was to confront him with the
Speaker 3: depth of the depravity, that he would be repelled. I
Speaker 3: think that he was raised, I believe, as a traditional
Speaker 3: American by his millionaire parents, and I think that he
Speaker 3: had good instincts in the beginning, like so many people.
Speaker 3: You know, probably Hillary Clinton when she was fourteen years old,
Speaker 3: was a really nice person. You know, we all, as
Speaker 3: we grow older face these temptations to pervert the initial
Speaker 3: energy of our youth, the joy and innocence of that time.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like the story of humanity. But I
Speaker 3: think that he's utterly corrupt to do what he's doing
Speaker 3: posing as a super patriot. And then, for example, if
Speaker 3: we look at you. If you're a super patriot, then
Speaker 3: the events of June eighth, nineteen sixty seven, when more
Speaker 3: than around two hundred American sailors, about fifty seven of
Speaker 3: which were killed and the rest wounded, on board the
Speaker 3: USS Liberty was attacked by the Israelis. And you know,
Speaker 3: some of these guys are still alive. They're old, they're
Speaker 3: still alive. They've never received a medal from Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: He's awarded all kinds of things to other people. They
Speaker 3: got a purple heart. Eventually, they were under an oath
Speaker 3: of secrecy, including by the way, Jewish sailors who were
Speaker 3: on board that ship and have testified along the lines
Speaker 3: of what I'm saying. Also, Admiral Thomas moore Er published
Speaker 3: this statement years later, but it was very truthful and
Speaker 3: courageous of him of what actually happened. How the Israelis
Speaker 3: attacked that ship knowing it was a US ship, believing
Speaker 3: that it had signal intelligence relevant to the Israeli war plans,
Speaker 3: and therefore attempting to sink it. And God kept that
Speaker 3: ship aflow. Trump's done nothing with that. If I were
Speaker 3: president of the United States claiming to be pro military,
Speaker 3: the first thing I would do is bring those guys
Speaker 3: on board. Whether or not the ship had been attacked
Speaker 3: by the Israelis or the Arabs, or the Chinese or
Speaker 3: the Somalis. I would have put them right up there
Speaker 3: or Mexico doesn't matter. But to have those heroes treated
Speaker 3: in that fashion really undercuts Trump's claims. Well, he wouldn't
Speaker 3: do it because he knew that it would anger his Israeli.
Speaker 3: I won't call them masters. I think there's been too
Speaker 3: much about the idea that israelis totally control. It's not
Speaker 3: a case of that. The world doesn't operate in that.
Speaker 3: And human beings don't like the ones at the top,
Speaker 3: don't like being told I'm totally controlled. They like to
Speaker 3: at least have the illusion of their own autonomy, and
Speaker 3: it largely is an illusion in many ways. And in fact,
Speaker 3: with Trump, it's pretty clear, you know, he's just told
Speaker 3: Tulsi the Tulsi Gabbard, his head of of intelligence, saying
Speaker 3: that the Iranians were not near making a nuclear weapon,
Speaker 3: which is the reason Neda, of course has been wanting
Speaker 3: to bomb Iran for for more than a decade. But
Speaker 3: that was the pretext, and she said it's not true,
Speaker 3: and Trump basically just told her to shut up. And
Speaker 3: so you know, where where's that at, where where is
Speaker 3: that coming from? And also who's the head of Syria today?
Speaker 3: The head of Siri is one of those unpronounceable Muslim names.
Speaker 3: I mean no disrespect to air people with their names.
Speaker 3: I'm just not good with I become a you know,
Speaker 3: a tongue tied with him. But Julian j u l
Speaker 3: i n I was his numb to guare his war name.
Speaker 3: That's something else now his actual real name. But this
Speaker 3: was an Al Qaeda fight in Iraq, who was under
Speaker 3: the command of Zakarwi, who George W. Bush went on
Speaker 3: and on about the evil of Zakarwi, you know, and
Speaker 3: he placed bombs, he killed Americans, he directed attacks on Americans.
Speaker 3: He was released from American captivity, not executed, by the way,
Speaker 3: released from American captivity around two thousand and eight, and
Speaker 3: then sent into Syria in order to have an Islamic
Speaker 3: caliphate there, and that didn't work out because Assad was rescued.
Speaker 3: The Assad regime was rescued by Putin and the Russians
Speaker 3: for a time, and then Putin got diverted to Ukraine
Speaker 3: and so they were able to exploit the weakness of
Speaker 3: Assad in. This guy comes with the remnants of al Qaeda,
Speaker 3: which are known in Syria as the Nusrafront. The news
Speaker 3: for front, by the way, was given when their soldiers
Speaker 3: were wounded, their fighters they're terrorists. They were given aid
Speaker 3: by the Israeli physicians. It was at a medical camp
Speaker 3: near the Goal On Heights and the former head of
Speaker 3: the Mossad has confirmed that. So here you have Israeli
Speaker 3: support for the noose refront coming in the killers of
Speaker 3: Americans when they were called al Qaeda. Now this guy rules.
Speaker 3: There was a ten million dollar bounty on his head,
Speaker 3: which I regard as theatrical because why did we release
Speaker 3: him from American incarceration if we're going to put a
Speaker 3: bounty on his head. But Trump has since endorsed the regime,
Speaker 3: and this is the guy who's the killer of American troops.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like if you're an American soldier
Speaker 3: or government worker, it's sort of like, you know, well,
Speaker 3: what have you done for us lately? Well, you know,
Speaker 3: I had my arm blown off in Iraq? Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: now the head of Syria is the guy who blew
Speaker 3: your arm off. We're going to have to forget about that. Now.
Speaker 3: This is not a government that generates a lot of loyalty.
Speaker 3: And in the world the America America is known for this.
Speaker 3: Our treachery is it's not the treachery of the American people.
Speaker 3: Where the American people have failed is in our credulity,
Speaker 3: our criminal gullibility with regard to how this operates. And
Speaker 3: that's what I think the negative side of conspiracy theory
Speaker 3: as operated by the cryptocracy, the useful idiots as they're
Speaker 3: known in the intelligence parlance, comes along and then exploits
Speaker 3: that exploits all of that anger and rage, but sends
Speaker 3: it down rabbit holes which are not effective and also
Speaker 3: which are hopeless. There is a sense of hopelessness and
Speaker 3: all of those all those things are constituent factors in
Speaker 3: the psychological warfare that I've been talking about. So you know,
Speaker 3: I'm glad Trump sealed the border to the best extent
Speaker 3: you know that we can see it's it's still a
Speaker 3: porous board, but has done much better job. Biden was
Speaker 3: an absolute criminal for what he did to this country
Speaker 3: and leaving it wide open. If you don't we're one
Speaker 3: of the few nations in the world don't have a border.
Speaker 3: You don't have a border, you don't have a nation.
Speaker 3: But just because Biden, you know, was evil, you know,
Speaker 3: this is what they do the lesser to evils, Well,
Speaker 3: it's still evil. And that's about the only good thing
Speaker 3: I've seen Trump do. Has blocked that off. The rest
Speaker 3: of the time has been one betrayal after another, particularly
Speaker 3: when he's on record criticizing the neo cons and George
Speaker 3: Bush and the Iraqi miasma and the disaster in Afghanistan,
Speaker 3: and then he turns around and does the same thing.
Speaker 3: I guess that we were talking about John Wayne Gacy
Speaker 3: dressing up as a clown. I guess if you elect
Speaker 3: a clown as president, you can expect an occult circus,
Speaker 3: and so much of America, even from Rag in the
Speaker 3: days of Reagan, where his chief of staff Donald Reagan R. E. G. A.
Speaker 3: N Said that Reagan went around the White House mumbling,
Speaker 3: what does Joan say? Joan Quigley was a San Francisco Well,
Speaker 3: she's known euphemistically as astrologer. Others would say, which Joan
Speaker 3: Quigley was someone who was consulted by originally Nancy Reagan
Speaker 3: after Reagan had been shot, and then Reagan himself if
Speaker 3: wandering around the White House when he had a decision
Speaker 3: to make. According to Donald Reagan, the chief of staff, saying,
Speaker 3: what does Jones say, Let's contact the San Francisco occultists
Speaker 3: to find out what we do. So you had meetings
Speaker 3: between Gorbachev and Reagan that were set at six o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning because Joan decided that was the time
Speaker 3: to have it, and the media didn't reveal that. I
Speaker 3: revealed it, other people have revealed. It doesn't seem to
Speaker 3: bother the Reagan followers who are die hard conservatives and
Speaker 3: who say that, boy, if we could only go back
Speaker 3: to the days of Reagan. Well, Reagan was the one
Speaker 3: who instituted the amnesty for three million illegal aliens, the
Speaker 3: Simpson Mayzoliact, it was called. That's what caused the rush
Speaker 3: of these invaders. I mean, really, all they are is,
Speaker 3: you know, economic refugees seeking a better life for their kids.
Speaker 3: You know, they're not the enemies. The enemies are the
Speaker 3: exploiters of cheap labor, the people who hire and exploit
Speaker 3: them in the United States. But that's what was happening
Speaker 3: under Reagan. So it's very double minded. It's this j
Speaker 3: this mind that's been implanted in people. You know, Reagan
Speaker 3: was a great patriot. Well, Yitsak Shamir, the Israeli Prime Minister, said,
Speaker 3: the Israeli state has never had a better friend than
Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan. You know, so it doesn't you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: but of course every Israeli Prime minister says that about
Speaker 3: every preceding American president. You know, maybe they weren't quite
Speaker 3: so happy with Obama for a while, but even he
Speaker 3: caved in on the murder of Kadafi. Kadafi was a
Speaker 3: mother money reformer who understood about usury and of course
Speaker 3: authentic Islam forbids riba, which is their word for usury.
Speaker 3: And he was trying to have honest money for all
Speaker 3: of Africa. And then he was he was executed by
Speaker 3: NATO and Obama and Hillary Clinton's can Ivans.
Speaker 1: I'd love to get your thoughts on the deeper spiritual
Speaker 1: layers of what's been unfolding the past few years. Many
Speaker 1: Christians believe that we may be in the end time,
Speaker 1: but if you look deeper, could it be that it
Speaker 1: is scripted prophecy that they are trying to bring about
Speaker 1: these revelations or these in time events by the high
Speaker 1: impact rituals that they've been doing.
Speaker 3: Well. Yeah, I mean, the end times have been going
Speaker 3: on since almost you know, the day that Jesus was
Speaker 3: nailed to the cross. People have been saying that, you know,
Speaker 3: his return is imminent and we're living in the end times.
Speaker 3: You see that again and again in apocalyptic movements. For example,
Speaker 3: the very earliest Anabaptists, the Mennonites later on becoming Mennonites
Speaker 3: but known as Anabaptists, and the whole Uprising. They read
Speaker 3: Luther and then decided to go beyond Luther and try
Speaker 3: establish heaven on Earth, the utopia. Whenever you do that,
Speaker 3: whether it's under Marxist auspices or others, you always create
Speaker 3: a hell on Earth. There was a large amount of
Speaker 3: blood letting in the name of these are the end Times.
Speaker 3: But what people forget is there are some very unusual
Speaker 3: things that have happened here in our time which I
Speaker 3: can't deny, which are unprecedented in recorded time. Now we
Speaker 3: don't have all of the time. We don't have in
Speaker 3: other words, we don't have all of the history of
Speaker 3: this earth. Because we know from go Beckley Tepe in
Speaker 3: northern Turkey that there was a civilization there that built
Speaker 3: this mysterious layer of monuments going back all the way
Speaker 3: possibly beyond twelve thousand years ago. What was their history?
Speaker 3: Perhaps they had some of the things that we call
Speaker 3: unprecedented today, so I want to be humble about it.
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, as far as we can see, things like
Speaker 3: mixing spider genes and goat genes in order to create
Speaker 3: out of the milk of goats a kind of a
Speaker 3: rope or thread which has the elasticity and strength of
Speaker 3: the spider, but having it come out of a goat
Speaker 3: is unprecedented. Genetically modified foods are unprecedented. I've spoken with
Speaker 3: farmers about hybrids and they say, these aren't hybrids. These
Speaker 3: could never happen in nature. It takes a Frankensteinian scientist
Speaker 3: to intervene to create this. That's new. Also, the taking
Speaker 3: of Prima Materia to Prima terra, in other words, what's
Speaker 3: all this thing? I know there are people don't believe
Speaker 3: we ever went to the moon, and it wouldn't surprise
Speaker 3: me if if some of those flights were fake. But
Speaker 3: I happen to believe that because in the occult it's
Speaker 3: so important to marry the sun and the Moon. William
Speaker 3: Butler yeats it was part of the Golden Dawn wrote
Speaker 3: about this, the golden apples of the Sun, the silver
Speaker 3: apples of the Moon, and the union there which is
Speaker 3: a sort of gigantic fertility, right. And the blast off
Speaker 3: of the Eagle landing module. It wasn't just sent off
Speaker 3: into space. It was sent directly into the Sun, almost
Speaker 3: like a phallic object being sent into the Sun after
Speaker 3: it had docked and got the astronauts on board the
Speaker 3: orbiting vessel. So these are things which are and of
Speaker 3: course the trans movement which we spoke of earlier, and
Speaker 3: so could that lead us to believe that these are
Speaker 3: strong indicators of the end times? Well, what I would
Speaker 3: say is is that let's get rid of our human
Speaker 3: ego and pride and ask ourselves, in the scale of things,
Speaker 3: how long are the end times? What if the end
Speaker 3: times last three hundred years now? What if people are
Speaker 3: off in the woods waiting for the end times and
Speaker 3: others are down in New York City or Los Angeles
Speaker 3: creating art and culture, teaching young people in the classics, Latin, Greek,
Speaker 3: the history of the world as it really is, and
Speaker 3: others are hiding out. I've seen. I'm old enough to
Speaker 3: have seen what used. It's called preppers today used to
Speaker 3: be known as survivalists, and they were in the seventies
Speaker 3: saying that it was the end and they were going
Speaker 3: to hide out. I wonder how they're lye it's turned
Speaker 3: out and developed when I mean, if that's a natural
Speaker 3: thing for you, you're another Henry David's throw and you
Speaker 3: want to live in the wilderness. Great. I have children
Speaker 3: who live off the grid here in North Idaho, although
Speaker 3: they're fully involved in their society and community. So my
Speaker 3: question is who is selling this idea to us that
Speaker 3: even if it is the end times, we have to
Speaker 3: stop having children, we have to retreat from political activism
Speaker 3: because it's no use. Believe me, the cryptocracy is selling
Speaker 3: us the no use notion almost more than any of
Speaker 3: its other notions to take us out of the fight,
Speaker 3: especially those of us who have resisted the spiritual and
Speaker 3: psychological warfare by the grace of God and been able
Speaker 3: to emerge. Intact, you know, what fails to kill us
Speaker 3: only makes us stronger. So for those of us who
Speaker 3: have survived this with our powers of reason and our
Speaker 3: connection to God, intact, we are very dangerous to the cryptocracy.
Speaker 3: So another way to take us out is to sell
Speaker 3: us on the idea that, oh, come on, you know,
Speaker 3: the game is rigg. You know, just forget about it,
Speaker 3: you know, smoke your pot and watch your television, or
Speaker 3: you know, whatever you want to do. And so that's
Speaker 3: what I'm militating against, trying to point out to people
Speaker 3: that we have the same cause. It's an eternally relevant cause.
Speaker 3: Jesus taught us to us. So much of the Bible
Speaker 3: is law. It isn't just metaphysics, it isn't just piety
Speaker 3: which has been sold to us. Also, for example, Jesus'
Speaker 3: statements against the running of money are in Luke chapter six,
Speaker 3: verses thirty four and thirty five. You could actually read
Speaker 3: from verse thirty onward among the most revolutionary words ever
Speaker 3: stated by anyone. Lend expecting nothing in return. Why did
Speaker 3: he say that, because then you put God under obligation
Speaker 3: to you. You are fulfilling Jesus' law to lend expecting
Speaker 3: nothing in return. But that's the law of his father God,
Speaker 3: And therefore you're putting God under obligation to then bless
Speaker 3: you infinitesmally more than you have blessed that per person
Speaker 3: or whomever who came to you for that loan. That's
Speaker 3: the kind of machinery of the scriptures which is not
Speaker 3: being taught. It's being presented to people as a pietistic thing,
Speaker 3: and so many are turned off by that because they
Speaker 3: feel that what good has it done the world? Look
Speaker 3: at the shape the world is in half of the
Speaker 3: so called evangelical Christians. I call it Churchianity. But evangelical
Speaker 3: Christians are all for the mass murder of Palestinians or
Speaker 3: anyone else who gets in the way of this racial
Speaker 3: supremacism which is coming out of Jerusalem, claiming that on
Speaker 3: the basis of race, God is blessing one group of people.
Speaker 3: But Jesus refuted that in John chapter eight. He said,
Speaker 3: if you were the children of Abraham, you would do
Speaker 3: as Abraham did. You would believe in God and you
Speaker 3: would believe in me. So a whole faith has been
Speaker 3: built on rejecting Christ. And yet at the same time
Speaker 3: we're told that this is necessarily still qualifies people as
Speaker 3: being of Abraham. No, it doesn't, and it clearly doesn't.
Speaker 3: But it's not being taught. So I'm sorry to see
Speaker 3: so many people turned off by the empowering doctrine of
Speaker 3: the true Gospel, because hope springs eternal for those who
Speaker 3: are willing to speak the truth, and people who follow
Speaker 3: who have no real love for the truth. God himself
Speaker 3: said in the New Testament, I will send you strong delusion.
Speaker 3: So we have so many people in America today, or
Speaker 3: in the world as a whole, for that matter, for
Speaker 3: whom the truth is not particularly important. The pursuit of
Speaker 3: the almighty buck, or you know, the girlfriend, or the
Speaker 3: shiny baubles, the bling, as it's called in the shopping malls,
Speaker 3: that's the main thing. And therefore God is going to
Speaker 3: himself curse you with delusion. It won't be the Israelis,
Speaker 3: won't be the Zionists, it won't be the cryptocracy. It
Speaker 3: will be you inviting God's wrath. These things need to
Speaker 3: be taught. Pursuing the truth at all costs is a blessing.
Speaker 3: I've seen my own life blessed in so many ways,
Speaker 3: and I have eluded my would be captors and others
Speaker 3: by the grace of God. And I think that grace
Speaker 3: is always been held out to us. Chris, if we
Speaker 3: would only.
Speaker 1: Accept Now, y'all know we've got only a couple minutes left. Earlier,
Speaker 1: you said you do have hope. There's many unfortunately that don't.
Speaker 1: But I have hope, and I'm encouraged at the amount
Speaker 1: of people that are at least asking questions now. It
Speaker 1: does appear that more people now than ever are at
Speaker 1: least questioning the systems and the corruption. But there's many
Speaker 1: that believe that the whole system is too big to fail. So,
Speaker 1: like you were just saying, they just check out and
Speaker 1: let things unfold. I think that individual we can do
Speaker 1: plenty to work against that. And you said earlier that
Speaker 1: there have been instances where things have backfired on them.
Speaker 1: Do you have hope for the future, and could it
Speaker 1: be that they could fail or that it could backfire
Speaker 1: in a big way for them.
Speaker 3: I'm seeing that hope here in North Idaho. I think
Speaker 3: it's important that people in so far as they're able
Speaker 3: to do so. North Idaho is getting more and more
Speaker 3: expensive because of the land rush here from California, in
Speaker 3: places like Seattle and things like that, refugees from the
Speaker 3: so called Blue States. But nonetheless there's land available. People
Speaker 3: can find it. Where there's a will, there's a way.
Speaker 3: But there's so many people of like mind here amazing people.
Speaker 3: My daughter in law found a acupuncturist. There's quite a
Speaker 3: few acupuncturists. But you know, I'm not just going to
Speaker 3: walk in the door or even rely on internet reviews.
Speaker 3: I really like word of mouth. She told me about
Speaker 3: this guy. He's absolutely wonderful. But my wife was with
Speaker 3: me when we first went in the office and everything,
Speaker 3: and she saw a security guard go by with a
Speaker 3: gun on his hip, and we wondered, why you need
Speaker 3: a gun in an acupuncture office. Well, it turns out
Speaker 3: he's the acupuncturist, you know, and he's got a small,
Speaker 3: small I don't know. I didn't ask him to show
Speaker 3: me the gun or anything. It looks like, you know,
Speaker 3: a small caliber gun on his hip, and I'm perfectly
Speaker 3: fine with that. You know. Just the other day here
Speaker 3: in Idaho, a crazy guy, a deluded person, tried to
Speaker 3: go after some young campers. We do get also Californians
Speaker 3: of maybe not the best caliber coming in here. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure this fellow was a Californian, but because we're
Speaker 3: a magnet for a lot of the country, and he
Speaker 3: pulled a gun, he shot a dog, he threatened the kids,
Speaker 3: and right on the scene was another person in Idaho
Speaker 3: and with a gun. He got the drop on that guy,
Speaker 3: disarmed him. The cops came. The good samaritan was not charged.
Speaker 3: This is Idaho and many many instances, the cops are
Speaker 3: right with you. When they take that badge off and
Speaker 3: that shirt off, you're going to see them in the
Speaker 3: woods hunting, fishing. And there's a camaraderie here. So it
Speaker 3: makes a difference where you live. Now. I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to stampede people who are in downtown Houston or downtown Detroit,
Speaker 3: or whatever the case may be, feeling they have to
Speaker 3: sell everything and be irresponsible. Especially if you're a family man.
Speaker 3: Your first obligation is to your children. The Bible says
Speaker 3: the man who does not support his own family is
Speaker 3: worse than an infidel, and that's where it begins. But
Speaker 3: for those who have the means of the desire, even
Speaker 3: as a dream, Idaho or some people are going to
Speaker 3: Tennessee or whatever the case may be. But living here
Speaker 3: among people of like mind. Even though there's a hardcore
Speaker 3: of Trump followers here, maybe they're beginning to disengage with
Speaker 3: what's happening right now, But even so, they're good folks
Speaker 3: in their hearts, and even though and I also hate
Speaker 3: to see the extent of the Israeli worship among the
Speaker 3: Churchians as I call them, that's here. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, you see communities where people believe that first
Speaker 3: of all, we have very little welfare and all of that,
Speaker 3: so it's not really a magnet for folks who want
Speaker 3: to live off the government. And the people have this
Speaker 3: concept that work makes you free, and that the core
Speaker 3: of it is get to work in your job, pay
Speaker 3: your bills, show your integrity, and you'll have friends here,
Speaker 3: You'll have connections, and there are godly churches here, there
Speaker 3: are people who see the truth. It's never going to
Speaker 3: be perfect until we meet Jesus on that last day.
Speaker 3: There is no perfection here on there's due to human nature.
Speaker 3: If we understand that, however, we never will follow any
Speaker 3: king but King Jesus, because whoever the person is who's
Speaker 3: trying to sell us a dictatorship, whether it's Xijingping in
Speaker 3: China or here in the United States, Trump or whomever,
Speaker 3: they're human beings. They're corrupt, they're depraved. Without the grace
Speaker 3: of Christ, they're going to mislead us. And that's what
Speaker 3: made America great. It was really the suspicion of leadership,
Speaker 3: and we had to sidly fight these battles Chris, for example,
Speaker 3: the whiskey rebellion in Pennsylvania after we won the American Revolution,
Speaker 3: where George Washington behaved abominably in that particular instance. I'm
Speaker 3: not taking away from his leadership during the Revolution or
Speaker 3: the sacrifices he made at Freezing, at Valley Forge and
Speaker 3: so forth, and I still consider him a person who
Speaker 3: rejected a kingship. Was our first president, but he crushed
Speaker 3: the rebellion of the farmers there, for whom whiskey was money.
Speaker 3: The country was bankrupt at the end of the American Revolution.
Speaker 3: There was very little currency. So this whiskey, which was
Speaker 3: the best whiskey in the Northeast at that time, was
Speaker 3: made by these farmers, and Alexander Hamilton came along and
Speaker 3: placed an onerous tax on it, and the tax was
Speaker 3: actually regressive. Whereas if you were a small whiskey maker
Speaker 3: you had a larger tax. If you're one of the
Speaker 3: big shot whiskey makers had less of attacks. And that
Speaker 3: also enraged the farmers. You had some of the top
Speaker 3: populace involved in that revolt, including a future cabinet member
Speaker 3: under Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson supported that revolt, but Washington behaved
Speaker 3: abominably and then he sort of recovered himself. So we
Speaker 3: have to understand that eternal vigilance is the price of
Speaker 3: liberty and not make a god out of any human being.
Speaker 3: That's a communist, Nazi, fascist notion. It is not Christian,
Speaker 3: and it is not American. And I hope that we'll
Speaker 3: continue to resist along those lines.
Speaker 1: I do too, Michael, Thank you so much. This is
Speaker 1: fantastic information. Before we close out, remind the audience the
Speaker 1: best way to find out more about you your website
Speaker 1: and anywhere else they can find your.
Speaker 3: Work Revisionististory dot org or on substack Michael Hoffman dot
Speaker 3: substack dot com. And thank you so much for the
Speaker 3: opportunity here, Chris. Perhaps we can do it again in
Speaker 3: six months.
Speaker 1: Love to thank you, sir, and until next time, everyone,
Speaker 1: have an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow, see you then.
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