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<v Speaker 1>Go cunning into Great America. Let's continue. We never stop,

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<v Speaker 1>we never hesitate, We simply continue. As you may know,

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<v Speaker 1>NewsBusters dot Org is a site put together by Brent

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<v Speaker 1>Bozell and some others to identify media bias by objective proof,

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<v Speaker 1>not hyperbole. I'm not Jeff Bezos. Sometimes I wish I

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<v Speaker 1>was Jeff Bezos, who owns a Washington Post, who says

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<v Speaker 1>the media cannot be believed anymore. He's the media. He

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<v Speaker 1>says we're not impartial and that we have to get

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<v Speaker 1>back our reputation. About nineteen percent of the American people

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<v Speaker 1>consider PBS, NBC, ABCCBS to be objective. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>about that nineteen percent. They're not paying attention, but nonetheless

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<v Speaker 1>joining you and I now is Curtis Holk is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the editors of NewsBusters dot org. And Curtis, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, you put up a finding a few days ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and what your group does is record everything on PBS,

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<v Speaker 1>NBCABC and CBS, and then you determine whether it's pro

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<v Speaker 1>or anti Harris, pro or anti Trump. So, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>tell the American people the formula you use and the

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<v Speaker 1>results of your study.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, So Bill I'll always pleasure to be

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<v Speaker 2>with you what we do when we look at these studies,

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<v Speaker 2>these percentage positive and negative studies. Folks need to always

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<v Speaker 2>keep in mind that what we're doing is most often

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<v Speaker 2>the network evening newscast of the ABCCBS NBC that typically

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<v Speaker 2>air at six thirty pm Eastern, give or take to

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<v Speaker 2>an hour, depending on what time zone you're in, and

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<v Speaker 2>we simply strip out all sound bites from the candidates themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>whichever candidate we're talking about, supporters of theirs in an

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<v Speaker 2>elected capacity, or campaign advisors, and so we solely look

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<v Speaker 2>at what are the anchors and what are the correspondents

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<v Speaker 2>telling us, what are they saying, And we take each sentence,

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<v Speaker 2>each statement, and evaluate it positive or negative. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>how we get to the formula that we have now

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<v Speaker 2>with our latest study finding that since Joe Biden dropped

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<v Speaker 2>out of the presidential race and was replaced by Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump coverage has been eighty five percent negative and Kamala

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<v Speaker 2>Harris covered seventy eight percent positive. Now, I will tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that the numbers are far higher or lower depending

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<v Speaker 2>on which network you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell from a fact.

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<v Speaker 2>That ABC is well into the nineties in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>Harris's positive ratings. So with the other two networks, you

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<v Speaker 2>can tell that they're kind of about their CBS or NBC,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember which is right about there, and the

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<v Speaker 2>others a little bit lower than seventy eight percent positive.

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<v Speaker 2>So hence how we get that kind of number in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle. But the most important takeaway from all of

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<v Speaker 2>this is that is a greater coverage disparity than what

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<v Speaker 2>we saw the previous two presidential elections when we were

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<v Speaker 2>doing the study. The difference between the two candidates is

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<v Speaker 2>greater than what we saw in twenty sixteen with Hillary

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<v Speaker 2>Clinton and Donald Trump in as well as twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>with Joe Biden and Donald Trump as well. And this

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<v Speaker 2>goes to show the media feel that they need to

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<v Speaker 2>put their thumb on the scale to help com Harris

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<v Speaker 2>because by all, for all intents and purposes, she has

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<v Speaker 2>no policy. She is a willing empty suit. Whereas Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 2>based on his lack of mental faculties, didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know where he was, so he was similarly an empty suit.

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<v Speaker 3>But Kamala Harris is a willing empty suit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, deal with the garbage comment of Joe Biden at

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<v Speaker 1>the end the White House during the Eclipse Ellips Get

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<v Speaker 1>Together by Kamala Harris. But going back in time, I

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<v Speaker 1>can vaguely recall that in twenty sixteen, it was roughly

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<v Speaker 1>sixty forty sixty percent positive for Hillary and it was

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<v Speaker 1>forty percent positive for Trump. Went back and forth because

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<v Speaker 1>he was a relatively new figure on the political scene.

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<v Speaker 1>But since that time, in the last gosh eight years,

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<v Speaker 1>the ABC NBCCBS has gone completely left wing. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>pretense of objectivity. And my source for that is not

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<v Speaker 1>just you at NewsBusters, but also Jeff Bezos, who runs

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<v Speaker 1>the most dominant paper in the East Coast, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post. He himself has said, and still at

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<v Speaker 1>Washington boasts, we're not objective, We're not fair. And this

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<v Speaker 1>has got to stop causing some sort of revolt. And

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<v Speaker 1>so if someone like a Tony Bender, who might live

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<v Speaker 1>in Green Township, say, you know what, I work all day.

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<v Speaker 1>I got dirt under my fingernails, I take a lunch

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<v Speaker 1>pail to work. My wife's dealing with the kids, going

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<v Speaker 1>to PTA meetings. She works. Also. We get a home

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<v Speaker 1>at six o'clock, we want to PLoP in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the TV set and have a blooney sandwich, hopefully a

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<v Speaker 1>which I love. But I regress a little bit, and

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<v Speaker 1>he says, why don't we check in with ABC, NBC

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<v Speaker 1>or CBS and see, all right, what happened in the

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<v Speaker 1>world when I was doing my jobs. And they sit

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<v Speaker 1>down and they watch either David Muir, they watch Lester Holt,

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<v Speaker 1>they watch CBS, and then they get a glimpse of

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening in the country. And I saw a result,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it was on Gallop that if you mainly get

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<v Speaker 1>your news from NBC, CBS and ABC the night news mainly,

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<v Speaker 1>that's your source, and maybe read a big city newspaper.

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<v Speaker 1>Of those people, sixty five percent are going to vote

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<v Speaker 1>for Kamala Harris because they're the worldview is that's what's

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<v Speaker 1>happening in the world, and they think it's objective. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that the real harm caused by this left wing bias

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<v Speaker 1>of CBS, NBC and AB because it has real life

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<v Speaker 1>consequences that the hard work and schmucks out there that

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<v Speaker 1>simply do their job, raise their kids, go to church

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<v Speaker 1>and the volunteer and they coach the girls soccer team,

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<v Speaker 1>they coach their boys of baseball, and they live their

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<v Speaker 1>life and they sit down hoping you an impartial and

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<v Speaker 1>they don't get that. Is that the problem?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would definitely say that, especially because we're dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with an election that is so close or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>by all intensive purposes, by all the polling that we've seen,

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<v Speaker 2>it sure intends to be one of the closest elections,

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<v Speaker 2>if not the closest in American history. It very well

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<v Speaker 2>could be. And so that's why we think while fewer

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<v Speaker 2>and fewer people watch the network evening newscasts than they

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<v Speaker 2>used to when it used to be tens and tens

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<v Speaker 2>and tens of millions of Americans that would tune in

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<v Speaker 2>every night to watch Walker, cronkider Peter Jennings back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, the newscast still pull in more viewers than any.

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<v Speaker 3>Show on cable.

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<v Speaker 2>So while the web chatter may be about something stupid

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<v Speaker 2>on CNN or lefties melting down about a Jesse Waters monologue,

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<v Speaker 2>more people are still watching David Muore. Sometimes on big

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<v Speaker 2>news nights, they can get close to ten million viewers

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<v Speaker 2>on World News Tonight, which unfortunately is the most watched

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<v Speaker 2>newscast of the three and.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you too.

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<v Speaker 2>One other finding from our study is since the debate,

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred ninety eight minutes have been spent on Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump versus two hundred and thirty minutes on Kamala Harrison.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is they the media have decided, if we flood the

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<v Speaker 2>zone with Donald Trump, we drive up Trump's negatives, and

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<v Speaker 2>so we create a scenario where the American people, voters

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<v Speaker 2>on the fence, or people who least may not be

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable with Trump personally, will feel they have no choice

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<v Speaker 2>but to vote for Kamala Harris, regardless of the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that they spend very little time talking about her actual policies.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's kind of mean. He's thinking, if they

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<v Speaker 2>flood the zone with Trump and they try to scare

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<v Speaker 2>people with Trump, and they try to scare their base,

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<v Speaker 2>this will result in a Kamala landslide. Hence what we

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<v Speaker 2>saw with the January sixth speech last night with Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 3>It was for one group of people of fluent white.

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<v Speaker 1>Liberals, and what happened. I like these numbers. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people deal with the poetry. I deal with facts.

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<v Speaker 1>So since the debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>There was three hundred and ninety eight minutes of the

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<v Speaker 1>nightly news about Trump. Of that number, at least eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five percent was negative, and two hundred and thirty minutes

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<v Speaker 1>on Kamala Harris, and that was seventy eight percent positive.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you can't come away with the idea that, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is anything other than a fascist, a racist,

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<v Speaker 1>a homophobic, misogynist, and a Nazi. And the Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 1>is simply from the middle class doing a great job

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<v Speaker 1>trying to work out kitchen table issues. If you don't read,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't understand, if you don't go to a podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're not online, you don't listen to talk radio,

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<v Speaker 1>those are your impressions. Now let's get on to Garbage

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday night, Madison Square Garden. The event took place over

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<v Speaker 1>eight hours, and in those and ours there was at

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<v Speaker 1>least nineteen speakers, And there was a comedian whose name

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<v Speaker 1>eludes me, who made a reference to Puerto Rico being garbage.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a pile of garbage in the ocean that's called

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<v Speaker 1>Puerto Rico. John Stewart, not exactly one of my favorite people.

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<v Speaker 1>On Comedy Central, John Stewart said, that's fine with him.

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<v Speaker 1>He supports his name Hitchcliffe or something like that. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's comedy. Used to have Eddie Murphy and others. Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Rock would do college tours and crap on every ethnic

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<v Speaker 1>minority imaginable, including we Irish Americans, and you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sit back and laughing, snicker ever a Don Rickles thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was one comment, one joke, five hours before

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<v Speaker 1>Trump even appeared at Madison Square Garden. And for three

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<v Speaker 1>or four days thereafter, every newscast led with Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>trying to recover from the comments at one of his rallies.

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<v Speaker 1>But last night, while the Ellipse speech is going on,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the president. People may not be aware of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but we have a president. His name is Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>who's doing a Spanish language broadcast. And let's face it,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden can't speak the English language, much less the

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<v Speaker 1>Spanish language. Nonetheless, he called Trump supporters garbage, as as

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris was talking about unity, getting everybody back together,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's the president one thousand feet away from the

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<v Speaker 1>Ellipse in the White House calling Trump supporters garbage. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>watching clean up on Aisle seven. I'm watching this morning

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<v Speaker 1>of Mika, Zeka Brazinski and others ignoring it completely, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course Fox News is playing it. Isn't it amazing

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<v Speaker 1>that when a comedian in a joke refers to Puerto

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<v Speaker 1>Ricans as garbage, it leads the national news for three

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<v Speaker 1>or four days. However, when when the President of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States in real time calls Americans garbage, no big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>That's no big deal. Can you smell when I'm cocing

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<v Speaker 1>Curtis out?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my friend Scott Jennings has correctly pointed out that,

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<v Speaker 2>first of all, regardless of what Joe Biden said, why

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<v Speaker 2>in the world was he on a zoom call with

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<v Speaker 2>a major Democratic advocacy group while Kamala Harrison was giving

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<v Speaker 2>a speech literally in his backyard?

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<v Speaker 1>Literally what what what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you if you're not undermining her? I have

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<v Speaker 2>some serious questions about your basic, your team's basic competency.

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<v Speaker 2>So you make that clear first, and and then you

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<v Speaker 2>move on to his comments.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that we're debating.

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<v Speaker 2>The use of an apostrophe that Andrew baits crazy. Andrew

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<v Speaker 2>Bates came up with in the White House spin room

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<v Speaker 2>that KJP came up with, uh, means you're losing if

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<v Speaker 2>you're having to say, well, he didn't mean, there's an

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<v Speaker 2>apostrophe or he has a stutter. Oh my gosh, but

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<v Speaker 2>you have a couple of strategies here. Number one, ABC's

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<v Speaker 2>Good Morning America on Wednesday morning decided to spend more

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<v Speaker 2>time engaging in what aboutism with this comedian who, by

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<v Speaker 2>random comedian who had a flop of a routine is

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<v Speaker 2>somehow more powerful than the outgoing president of United States. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's an outgoing president, but he's still the president. They

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<v Speaker 2>spent a minute and well over a minute, almost two minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>with this comedian, but only one minute in four seconds

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<v Speaker 2>on Biden's actual comments. And of course they're using the

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<v Speaker 2>word cees bill. Of course, we you know Republicans are using.

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<v Speaker 3>On this thing. But insad he didn't mean it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>come on, what a joke?

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you why?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing about the Post, the Washington Post, real quick,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say that they lost seventy seven million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>last year. Okay, because people don't listen to them. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the same thing happening these news divisions of these

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<v Speaker 2>corporate behemis Comcast, NBC, CBS is just being sold to

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I can only imagine if the shoe was on

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<v Speaker 1>the other foot what the media coverage would be. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a posting of this afternoon NewsBusters dot org

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<v Speaker 1>that talks about literally iconic moment on the ellipse Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harris's elip speech compared to I Have a Dream and

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<v Speaker 1>possibly Lincoln's second inaugural address, and I'm thinking that might

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<v Speaker 1>that the Yankees are winning because of Pollo O'Neil. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a different story. But nonetheless, the gushing on MSNBC about

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<v Speaker 1>the oratorical skills of Kamala Harris, shall we say, might

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<v Speaker 2>My friend, my friend, my friend Larry O'Connor hosted WML

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<v Speaker 2>the line that last week he said Kamala Harris is

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<v Speaker 2>literally acting like she's the president of the drama club,

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<v Speaker 2>the high school drama club. Like she's the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>person who seems like she's rehearsing these lines in the mirror,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like after she brushes her teeth. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>although she can't even answer what's on her nightstand? Someone

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<v Speaker 2>asked her that last week and she like just cackled

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<v Speaker 3>You had no idea what that you know? What?

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<v Speaker 2>That even me so and you could tell when she

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<v Speaker 2>was asked before getting on Air Force two to go

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<v Speaker 2>campaign about Biden's comments she was she again resorted back

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<v Speaker 1>Lastly, between September third and October twenty fifth, you analyzed

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<v Speaker 1>MRC Analyze one hundred and thirty six. This has got

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<v Speaker 1>to be painful to watch this stuff. One hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six episodes that Comedy Central, The Daily Show, Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>objects of jokes and ridicule. What percentage of the late

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<v Speaker 1>night comics deal in a negative way with Donald Trump?

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<v Speaker 1>Just give me a round number. What percent of those

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<v Speaker 1>shows dump on Donald Trump every every night? N eight?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised is that ninety eight?

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<v Speaker 2>Well you say the number of jokes one thousand, four

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty eight jokes about Trump, only thirty five

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<v Speaker 2>about Kamala Harris?

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<v Speaker 1>Who watch? Do you sit there and watch one thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and four and twenty eight to thirty five? Who watches? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean unlike I unfortunately have the burden of

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<v Speaker 2>watching Kaarine Jean Pierre, no.

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<v Speaker 3>The rest. No, you don't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a guy Alex Christy, that is his job

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Fondacara, watches the view so you don't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>So we all have birden duty that we carry for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, one mind has done. How in the world can

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<v Speaker 1>Trump be real likeed? How's it possible? If you in

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<v Speaker 1>the main How's it possible? The occasional five percent of

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<v Speaker 1>gender's minds. Hiss heard them us and we how many

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<v Speaker 1>of fat five percent? How could you possibly watch the

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<v Speaker 1>evening news or late night and think Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>anything but the horn Lucifer, He truly is. How could

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<v Speaker 1>you watch it?

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<v Speaker 2>He can't live There's no other way. It's fairly divisive rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course they would say no, no, no, Donald Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>the one who's insulting.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the spin On Wednesday CBS Mornings. John Dickerson

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<v Speaker 2>garnishing doesn't really matter. The Republicans should shut up about

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<v Speaker 2>this because then you get into an insult comparing contest

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<v Speaker 2>and Donald Trump would win that.

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<v Speaker 3>So you don't really want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Go there, because the real issue is January and Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 3>They're so mad. They are so mad at Joe Boden Bill.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot imagine what their company, Slack Channels, were like

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they are so frustrated.

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<v Speaker 1>The documentary film producer Nancy Pelosi's daughter on video. There

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<v Speaker 1>it is in the car at the Capitol of January sixth.

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<v Speaker 1>There's Nancy Pelosi saying, I am responsible for this. I

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<v Speaker 1>should have done more. Nancy Pelosi said that does the

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<v Speaker 1>media ever deal with that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I know a shot. I know a shot.

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<v Speaker 3>I I know a shot show.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Nancy Pelosi, I am responsible for this. I

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<v Speaker 1>should have done more, all right, Curtis, Hawk's all of

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<v Speaker 1>their NewsBusters dot org good stuff. Someone has to watch

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand, four hundred and twenty eight jokes about Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump in a negative fashion, thirty five positively. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>ratio of sixteen to one against Donald Trump. Curtis, how

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. God bless

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<v Speaker 1>you keep doing your work because the true will set

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<v Speaker 1>us all free. Curtis, thank you very much. Yeah, for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. Let's continue with more. How about that? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god? That those are the facts. That's why many

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<v Speaker 1>people think the way they think about Donald Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>we evil Republicans who are according to the President Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden garbage. Bill Cunningham seven hundred WLW