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<v Speaker 1>It's with i'mas Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Dan Watkins, thank you very much. I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to continue our conversation on this. We spent an hour

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<v Speaker 2>on this last night with a member of the legislature,

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<v Speaker 2>a Democrats state Democrat state representative, Democratic state representative from Milton,

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<v Speaker 2>Richard Wells. He is a police former police chief in

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<v Speaker 2>the town of Milton, very well respected there, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>filed piece of legislation with some other members of the

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<v Speaker 2>legislature on both sides, Republican and Democrat. They are simply

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<v Speaker 2>asking for an additional piece of legislation, which is called

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<v Speaker 2>the Halo Act and basically would provide, if requested by

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<v Speaker 2>a police officer or a firefighter or an EMT, first responders,

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<v Speaker 2>an adequate zone around them as they engage in their job.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again, police officers arrest people, police officers help deliver babies.

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<v Speaker 2>Police officers do a lot, firefighters do a lot, EMTs

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot. All of us, at some point in

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<v Speaker 2>our lives might be helped by a police officer, firefighter,

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<v Speaker 2>or an EMT. And I don't think it's too much

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<v Speaker 2>to ask to give, upon request a first responder a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five foot zone in which to work. Now, we

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<v Speaker 2>can use all sorts of examples of your job. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you want someone in your office telling you what to

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<v Speaker 2>do or how you should do it? And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>happens now. Some of these situations are confrontational where someone's

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<v Speaker 2>being arrested. We saw that up in Wooster, We've seen

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<v Speaker 2>it in other places. Some of these are situations where

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<v Speaker 2>people are maybe trying to help, but maybe they're not helping.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe what they're doing actually is interfering with those who

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<v Speaker 2>are trained professionally to help. And again I can posit

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<v Speaker 2>examples to you, and I'm sure you can posit examples

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<v Speaker 2>to me. I point to the move over law here

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts, which if you're driving on a two or

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<v Speaker 2>three rate lane road and there's a police officer in

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<v Speaker 2>a breakdown lane, and if he stopped someone, either to

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<v Speaker 2>help them or to write a ticket, you're obligated to

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<v Speaker 2>move over if you can. Now, you're not supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>cause a crash, but that might mean you have to

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<v Speaker 2>slow down a little bit to give him or her

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more room. If you and I were

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<v Speaker 2>simply stopped and I was trying to help you, you

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to help me there's no similar obligation upon

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<v Speaker 2>someone to move over. Again, we recognize that what police,

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<v Speaker 2>what firefighters, and what EMT says first responders do is different.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's see what people think. I'd like to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this for the balance of the night. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you will as well. We have no open lines now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let you know. Let's go to Eric in Natick. Eric,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry we couldn't get you on with attourney Greg Sullivan,

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<v Speaker 2>but obviously this is a conversation starter. Go right ahead, Eric.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's okay, good evening, Dan, how are you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing just great. Thank you for holding through the news.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely my pleasure. I actually called back at the beginning

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<v Speaker 3>of the year talking about this law in particular, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>the Halo law, yep, and I was all for it,

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<v Speaker 3>and we had the discussion about how unfair it is

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<v Speaker 3>to interfere with someone's job and let the police do

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<v Speaker 3>their job, let mts do their jobs. And I am

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<v Speaker 3>a little well, I was going to ask Greg that question,

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<v Speaker 3>but I was a little intimidated because I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to get an argument with the lawyer. But it's one

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<v Speaker 3>of those things where I was trying to think of analogy,

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<v Speaker 3>and one of the ones I came up with was

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<v Speaker 3>if there was a medical emergency and someone needed to

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<v Speaker 3>be lifted off the ground and I'm on crutches, and

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<v Speaker 3>like you said earlier about common sense, wouldn't it I

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<v Speaker 3>use my common sense and get out of the way

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<v Speaker 3>because I am not being able to be helpful in

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<v Speaker 3>that situation, or is it quote unquote my right to

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<v Speaker 3>be there because I want to see what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>I would choose to get out of the way because

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<v Speaker 3>as much as I want to help, I physically can't.

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<v Speaker 3>So therefore, let people who can help aid and anyone

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<v Speaker 3>else should be backing up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I also think it gives the police officer

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<v Speaker 2>what will what happens and what I have seen happen

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<v Speaker 2>as a as a member of the media, you have

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<v Speaker 2>a situation going along, and those of us who are

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<v Speaker 2>trained in the media, we're able to figure out when

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<v Speaker 2>you approach and when you don't approach a police officer.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason you do that is instinctively you want

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<v Speaker 2>to give them the right to complete whatever task. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have a rightism ember the media to rush

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<v Speaker 2>into a situation while police officers attempting to arrest someone

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<v Speaker 2>and say, you know, what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are you putting the cuffs in this guy? What

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<v Speaker 2>did this guy do? You know, he doesn't owe me

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<v Speaker 2>an explanation. If he's arresting someone improperly that gets judicated

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<v Speaker 2>in the court system, we can take pictures of him.

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<v Speaker 2>Police officer doesn't have the right to say, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>turn that camera off. Believe me, I've been in those

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<v Speaker 2>situations and the camera can roll as long as in

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<v Speaker 2>public and as a matter of fact, we have I

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm asking a police officer a question, uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>and he chooses to answer, he or she chooses to answer,

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<v Speaker 2>I can use that that audio because the mere presence

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<v Speaker 2>of a camera should indicate to the to the officer

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<v Speaker 2>that there's there's audio as well as video being recorded.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you're right on the money. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 2>are some people and again I use this, and I

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<v Speaker 2>used an example last night. There's an accident on one

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<v Speaker 2>side of the road, and you know that should not

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<v Speaker 2>affect traffic on the other side of the road, but

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<v Speaker 2>everybody has to take a good long look. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what's going on. It looks like an accident.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder who's a fall. Well, you know, all that

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<v Speaker 2>does is tie the tie the traffic ups. You've been

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<v Speaker 2>in situations like that where you you've been tied up

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty minutes and you finally get up to the

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<v Speaker 2>end and you realize everybody's looking at the accident.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, And to be honest, it's hard not to look.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard not to look. And it's human nature. And

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<v Speaker 2>if all of a sudden, you walk out your front

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<v Speaker 2>door and you see some sort of police activity or fire,

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<v Speaker 2>firefighters or or anything, that's normal. And all I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>saying is that the police officers that says to me, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>back up, Maybe it's for my own safety. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe there's somebody, you know, in the woods and they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to arrest someone and they don't know where that

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<v Speaker 2>person is, and they they don't want to be in

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation with me. Why are you telling me to

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<v Speaker 2>back up? Officer? Yeah, I mean, like they're gonna turn me. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason we're telling you backup is there's a fellow

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<v Speaker 2>in the woods here who we think is mentally disturbed,

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<v Speaker 2>and he has a butcher's knife, and at any moment

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<v Speaker 2>he may come out of the woods. I mean that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's now again. Attorney Sullivan said, well, the police officer

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<v Speaker 2>can can can charge you with interference or disturbing the peace, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>But sometimes people are really played a good afternoon, officer.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you tell me what's going on here? You know that?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the police officer you give them another

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<v Speaker 2>tool and say look, tell you later back up twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five feet for your own good or get get get

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<v Speaker 2>out of this area. Well, officer, now, why you bossing me?

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<v Speaker 2>And he's guy. The officer doesn't have to sit in

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<v Speaker 2>there and give you an explanation, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>No, absolutely, And to your point about someone having a

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<v Speaker 3>knife in the woods, what if you are impeding that

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<v Speaker 3>officer from catching them because you're interrupting the police officer

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<v Speaker 3>from doing his job.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure or putting the police officer more in jeopardy. He

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<v Speaker 2>might be five feet away from the guy and the

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<v Speaker 2>guy might say this is the time to try to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, slash the police officer and escape. And his

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<v Speaker 2>attention should be on the job at hand, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>saving somebody with mouth to mouth resuscitation or capturing somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who's a dangerous at the public. So, Eric, we're on

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<v Speaker 2>the same page. Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Thank you very much, sir, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks thanks for continuing to call this program. What line

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<v Speaker 2>of work do you happen to be in law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>per chance? Or no?

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<v Speaker 3>I am not No, I just have a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>respect for it, okay, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Could ask you. I'm just curious how old you are?

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<v Speaker 2>You sounding like you're a young guy.

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<v Speaker 4>I am forty six, but thank you for telling me about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I consider that to be a young guy. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things, the point, the reason I asked

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<v Speaker 2>that is that Greg Sullivan was making the point that

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<v Speaker 2>really the problem is we need to educate people, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to take decades to educate people because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>public education and has fallen down in terms of teaching

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<v Speaker 2>civics and respect for law enforcement and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just think the whole other topic.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're absolutely right about.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is a whole number of doc topic. Eric,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much. Great great to talk with you, call

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<v Speaker 2>more often.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much. Have a great night.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank okay, you too, well. Take a very quick break

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<v Speaker 2>coming back. I got Joe coming up, I got Jim,

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<v Speaker 2>I got Christine, and I got will I got room

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<v Speaker 2>for you at six one, seven, two five, four ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on the night Side.

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<v Speaker 1>After this, You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ,

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the calls, go to Joe. Joe, you were

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<v Speaker 2>next on Nightside. What's your thoughts on this?

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<v Speaker 5>Joe, Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call. I have

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<v Speaker 5>mixed feelings on this. I was just talking. I'm going

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<v Speaker 5>to have lunch with my friend tomorrow from Brighton. We

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<v Speaker 5>were talking about something similar. I have mixed feelings. I

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<v Speaker 5>agree you should have respect for the police, but when

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<v Speaker 5>the police are wrong, like in the case. And I

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<v Speaker 5>won't get into but you know, they kill that black

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<v Speaker 5>man Tennessee. That's a different story. But there's so much

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<v Speaker 5>bitterness today.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way I think, and I was surprised,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that they were acquitted or three yes, they.

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<v Speaker 5>Were in That shocked me because I saw the they

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<v Speaker 5>were playing evidence and oh, but that's another issue we'll

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<v Speaker 5>get into some other times.

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<v Speaker 2>We're really not talking about that here. In other words,

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<v Speaker 2>as if no, there are a lot of people out

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<v Speaker 2>there who feel that they have a right to in

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<v Speaker 2>some cases challenge law enforcement even though they are not

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<v Speaker 2>a party to what's going on. Uh, And even you know,

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<v Speaker 2>interfere and maybe in some cases they're trying to help

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<v Speaker 2>an e MT, but they're just making it more complicated

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<v Speaker 2>for the EMT.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree with you. Yeah, I agree with mister Sullivan. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 5>we disagree, but that's okay. We can agree to disagree.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree with mister Sullivant on the abortion. You can

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<v Speaker 5>do it quietly, not get in his face, not in

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<v Speaker 5>the doorway. But see if we go twenty five feet.

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<v Speaker 5>Because he's right, we're already losing. There are cases where

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<v Speaker 5>people civil rights have been violent. We're already loving.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me maybe, let me make sure I understand what

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying. Okay. I brought up the buffer around the

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<v Speaker 5>Abortion.

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<v Speaker 2>So in other words, you have people who are so

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to call it that that that they

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely that's wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>That's wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with Hold no, what is wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>but that protest cannot interfere with the medical practice that's

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<v Speaker 2>and unveil themselves of that service. So therefore, there are

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<v Speaker 2>may disagree with the protesters, or I may even agree

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<v Speaker 5>And okay, now my point ahead. I agree with you

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<v Speaker 5>They shouldn't stand in front of the doorway, they shouldn't

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<v Speaker 5>Not like Black Lives did all those terrible things. I

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<v Speaker 5>agree with mister Sullivan on that education. But I just

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<v Speaker 5>think we have so many laws, so many bills, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>of the case. That's all all right, Thank you for

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<v Speaker 5>All right, thank you, Joe, you and I can't wait

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<v Speaker 5>to get the other subject. Thanks, take care about you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go to Jim and Kansas City. Jim, go right.

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<v Speaker 6>Ahead, and thanks for taking my call.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you good, sir? How you doing?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm happy? Thank you? So okay. When I first heard

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<v Speaker 6>know I got six things to say about this, and

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<v Speaker 6>it's a very very important topic. The first one of them,

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<v Speaker 6>this is just an opinion because I'm not an attorney,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not a legal scholar. But my second thing to

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<v Speaker 6>say is that y'all need to review the difference between

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<v Speaker 6>the First and the Fourth Amendment, because the third thing

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<v Speaker 6>I had to say is that I hear them confused

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<v Speaker 6>force our way into an arrangement. It allows us to

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<v Speaker 6>It allows us the freedom from unreasonable search.

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<v Speaker 2>The first hold it, you're confusing me. Fourth Amendment deals

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<v Speaker 2>with unreasonable searches. First Amendment deals with freedom of association, religion,

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<v Speaker 2>freedom of speech, freedoms, okay for all. The Bill of

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<v Speaker 2>Rights deals with freedoms essentially, and our limitations upon what

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<v Speaker 2>That's you know again, there's you know, the the Second Amendment,

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<v Speaker 2>They all, you know, pretty much, the the amendments, the

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<v Speaker 2>eighth Amendment. You know, you cannot have all usual punishments

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<v Speaker 2>and all of that.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, okay, Well you're getting a little off off the

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<v Speaker 6>that the First Amendment powers you to just force your

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<v Speaker 6>but it doesn't. That's the fourth Amendment. But even then

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<v Speaker 2>The first and fourth Amendment. I'm going to read to you. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the First Amendment is very it happens a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>It happens a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>There, Jim, if you open your ears for a second here,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to read the First Amendment to you and

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<v Speaker 2>to and to the audience because it's coming straightforward. Congress

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<v Speaker 2>shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or

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<v Speaker 2>prohibiting the free exercise there are, or abridging the freedom

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<v Speaker 2>of people peaceably to assemble and to petition the Government

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<v Speaker 2>for a redress of grievances. That's it. Amendment is search

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<v Speaker 2>and seizure, right.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just separate, well, right, But I think people are

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<v Speaker 6>confusing that the First Amendment doesn't provide you with any

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<v Speaker 6>sort It doesn't empower you to just force your way

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<v Speaker 6>into an arrangement in order to express yourself or collect information.

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<v Speaker 6>It empowers you to express yourself. As I understand it, basically.

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<v Speaker 2>I've studied this for more than fifty years. I just

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<v Speaker 2>read you the First Amendment, which deals with again, uh, freedoms,

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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't it but it doesn't say anthing about freedom

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<v Speaker 6>to but your nose into some situation that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>That That well, it's it gives you freedoms, okay, it

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<v Speaker 2>gives you freedom of the press, freedom of speech, but

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<v Speaker 6>All freedom from the government, and bridging your your express

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, yes, four.

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<v Speaker 2>No the fourth Jim, Jim, please please. The Fourth Amendment

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<v Speaker 2>deals protects you from unreasonable searches and seizures. Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the that's that's the Fourth Amendment.

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<v Speaker 6>Exactly, yeah, exactly. So it's just because somebody's walking down

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<v Speaker 6>the backyard or a sideyard, that doesn't empower the Fourth Amendment,

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't empower them to just run over there and stick

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<v Speaker 2>No, the Fourth Amendment is Jim, I feel like we're

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<v Speaker 6>Well, people need to be informed because here's here's my things.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to be informed accurately, Jim, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're confusing people here. Okay, Jim, Jim, don't let me

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<v Speaker 2>read to you the Fourth Amendment because it's very brief.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very brief, and if I don't know when the

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<v Speaker 2>last time you read it, but let me read it

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<v Speaker 2>to you. The Fourth Amendment deals with search and arrest warrants.

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<v Speaker 2>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,

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<v Speaker 2>and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated.

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<v Speaker 2>And no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause, supported

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<v Speaker 2>by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing a place to

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<v Speaker 2>So if the government thinks that you're doing something illegally,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say you have a meth factory in your basement,

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<v Speaker 2>and they get someone who can give them solid information,

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<v Speaker 2>they need to get a search warrant in order to

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<v Speaker 2>come into your house. Okay, that's the fourth in search

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<v Speaker 2>and seizures. It's got nothing to do with it.

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<v Speaker 6>That's what I'm saying. People misunderstand it. It's it doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>got Nobody has the right to just butt their nose

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<v Speaker 6>into everybody else's business. Thank you for that part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, thank you for that invaluable clarification. Jim, And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>you very much. Okay, here comes the news. We'll be

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<v Speaker 4>It's night side Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get a First Amendment expert in here. Harvey silver Light. Harvey, welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm fine, Dan. I've been listening to the entire discussion

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<v Speaker 4>and by coincidence. Let me just get it here. Today's

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<v Speaker 4>New York Times has an essay has an interview of Slsburger,

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<v Speaker 4>the publisher of the Times. Just one second, only get

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<v Speaker 4>it here? Oh no, no, no, you lost it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well just give it to us if you want, just

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<v Speaker 2>paraphrase it for a while. Well, we accept it. I

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<v Speaker 2>can find it as well. But what does the publisher

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<v Speaker 2>of the Times have to say?

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<v Speaker 4>I found it. I had it here an interview with

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<v Speaker 4>our publisher on a free press. It's an interview with

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<v Speaker 4>the publisher of the New York Times, a g. Slsburger,

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<v Speaker 4>And let me just teat you a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 4>Right now, he's talking about the challenges of a free

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<v Speaker 4>press in the Trump administration. Now, on top of these

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<v Speaker 4>those challenges, we're facing the most serious direct assault on

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<v Speaker 4>the rights and legitiacy of journalists that we've seen in

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<v Speaker 4>at least a century. So it's the sheer volume of

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<v Speaker 4>pressures that worries me, especially when so many news organizations,

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<v Speaker 4>particularly local news, are vulnerable, and it ends that's why

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<v Speaker 4>press freedom matters. It's less about the right of the

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<v Speaker 4>press defines defined stuff. It's about the public's rights to

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<v Speaker 4>know it. And it's about the primacy of the First

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<v Speaker 4>Amendment over all other amendments and all other considerations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what many people say, you know, that's why

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<v Speaker 2>the First Amendment is primary. I just feel, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've practiced with the First Amendment my entire career. I

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<v Speaker 2>just feel that this so called halo law basically gives

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<v Speaker 2>police EMTs and firefighters an additional tool to basically exert

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<v Speaker 2>some control of a crowd that particularly is going to

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<v Speaker 2>in some shape or form challenge what they are doing.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're going to arrest someone, that arrest is adjudicated

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<v Speaker 2>not on the streets, but if it's an improper arrest,

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<v Speaker 4>And I agree with you on that limitation to the

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<v Speaker 4>First Amendment. I actually agree with you on that. But

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<v Speaker 4>I think anybody interested in the First Amendment should read

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<v Speaker 4>this fabulous interview with some Silsburger. It's on page two

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<v Speaker 4>of the Today's New York Times.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I guess he delivered this speech at the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Dames Kiel School Global Effairs correct Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, A free people need a free press. I would

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<v Speaker 2>I would agree with that. All I'm just saying is

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<v Speaker 2>that if if this uh so called halo law said,

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<v Speaker 2>when when police order you you have to stand back

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<v Speaker 2>a thousand feet, well that's unenforceable. It's it's vague, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a it's arbitrary and capricious. It's not vague. But twenty

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<v Speaker 2>police officer or any EMT or a firefighter to say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we're engaged in our activity here that we're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>either effectuate an arrest or help somebody, and you're not

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<v Speaker 2>you're not helping the situation. Please stand back.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean of the Supreme Court has always upheld limited

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<v Speaker 4>limitations on the on the First Amendment. Sure, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>falsely fire, shouting fire in a crowd in theater.

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<v Speaker 2>Fighting words, we know, we know, you know, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>get in your face, and and what's so called fighting words.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some defamation, libel, slander, I mean those we know

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<v Speaker 2>there are limitations there. So I think we're I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're kind of an agreement on this. I mean, are

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<v Speaker 2>you horrified that the halo law could pass in Massachusetts?

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<v Speaker 2>As you understand it?

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<v Speaker 4>Horrified?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, you're horrified. Yeah, would

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<v Speaker 2>be would be the way I phrased the question. No, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you want you're concerned, I'm sure, right, yeah, but but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not I mean, it's it's not something that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I I raised with Attorney Sullivan the idea that that

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<v Speaker 2>when police have pulled someone over the side of the road,

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<v Speaker 2>that we're now obligated to try to get out of

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<v Speaker 2>their way a little bit and and give them a

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<v Speaker 2>wider birth.

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<v Speaker 4>With that in the Supreme Court would agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely the buffers and abortion clinics. You know me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm pro life, but but I don't think pro

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<v Speaker 2>life demonstrators have a right to in any way, shape

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<v Speaker 2>or form impeded people who who need access or want

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<v Speaker 2>access to a to a medical clinic. And so that

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<v Speaker 2>buffer law, uh I think would stand. They even as

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<v Speaker 2>someone I think just mentioned in the in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the case down in the read case in Detam, the

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<v Speaker 2>judge had a buffer zone set up so that people

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<v Speaker 2>would not hear the yelling and screaming. And and I

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<v Speaker 2>guess the federal court has uh instructed the judge to

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<v Speaker 2>reconsider the distance from which the buffer clinic. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>saying they can't be a buffer clinic. They're saying that

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<v Speaker 2>the distance she uh that she imposed is unreasonable. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're in I had of agreement on this

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<v Speaker 2>from my friend. I think right.

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<v Speaker 4>But I I called mainly to point out this fabulous

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<v Speaker 4>essay interview will souls boggling. If you can get a

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<v Speaker 4>hold of Today's New York Times. Yeah, well they.

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<v Speaker 2>Could also go on the internet. It's the pieces is

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<v Speaker 2>titled simply a free people Need a free Press. New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times.

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<v Speaker 4>You can get the yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds great, Harvey is always Thanks, thanks for joining the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate it very much. We'll talk show talks to you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let me get real quickly in here. I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>for Will on Long Island. Will you were next on Nightsacer?

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<v Speaker 2>Right ahead?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Dan, I wish Harvey was still on, because I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say, I just even especially when attorneys like yourselves,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, use the Oliver Wendell Holmes fire and a

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<v Speaker 1>crowded movie there from the nineteen nineteen Shank versus Us.

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<v Speaker 1>It really almost irritates me considering it was part of

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<v Speaker 1>a decision that was partially overturned because of its degregious

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<v Speaker 1>violations of free speech. Okay, I'm really not a big

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<v Speaker 1>fan of infringing on the First Amendment. Almost no restrictions

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let me let me run a couple by

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<v Speaker 2>if I can. Okay, I'll start with shouting fire in

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<v Speaker 2>a crowded theater.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going into what you're aware you're aware of where that,

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<v Speaker 1>where that term came from, that phrase came from, and

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<v Speaker 1>why later it was decided that you know, I understand

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<v Speaker 1>the analogy, right, but why it was decided that Brandon

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<v Speaker 1>urg versus Ohio in nineteen sixty nine. It was part

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<v Speaker 1>of a decision in nineteen nineteen that egregiously violated free

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<v Speaker 1>speech on the people that were right in the draft leaflets. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand the point that they're trying to make. But

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<v Speaker 1>depending on your motive, let yelling fire and a c Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let me go back another.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. I defame your character, Okay, I slander your character

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<v Speaker 2>in the radio tonight. Okay. Uh okay, I can't defend

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<v Speaker 2>my slander or my defamation, uh with the with the first.

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment, right because because it's a lie. Well but New.

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<v Speaker 2>York Times versus Sullivan modifies that a little bit and

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<v Speaker 2>it gives me, as a member of the press, a

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<v Speaker 2>wider birth if you happen to be a public figure.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh so I have.

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<v Speaker 1>To which is unfair.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't agree with New York Times versus Sullivan before,

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<v Speaker 2>But all I'm just saying, these are the rules with

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<v Speaker 2>fighting words.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know it's a call to action. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that was actually what was pointed out in Brandenburg versus Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's a call to action to create imminent dan

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<v Speaker 1>your insight and violence to say, go kill that person,

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<v Speaker 1>go hurt these people, go start a fire, right those things?

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<v Speaker 1>May you know, I'm not gonna you know, I have

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<v Speaker 1>conflicted feelings even about that, because it requires the listener

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<v Speaker 1>of that feature of that order.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'd love to know what do you think about

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<v Speaker 2>this idea? Okay that in our current context here and

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<v Speaker 2>realizing the First Amendment still exists, okay, and we love

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<v Speaker 2>the First Amendment. Police officers are trying to effectuate an

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<v Speaker 2>arrest and the crowd says, we're not going to let

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<v Speaker 2>you arrest that guy. I mean, now, is there.

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<v Speaker 1>A there's a crime there? Though, Look, there's obstruction, there's

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<v Speaker 1>interfering with the investigation, there's all types of crime there,

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<v Speaker 1>like Jimmy Sullivan pointed.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, exactly exactly. However, however, it seems to me that

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<v Speaker 2>another tool that can be given to the police officer

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<v Speaker 2>in that situation is to say, stand back. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're interfering with my job. Stand back. I'm not asking

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<v Speaker 2>to stand back a thousand feet stand back twenty five feet,

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<v Speaker 2>two Carlins.

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<v Speaker 1>Its twenty five feet, but it's five feet. It's twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five feet, right, you see. Now, maybe there could be

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<v Speaker 1>some type of invading the personal space of somebody trying

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<v Speaker 1>to perform a function that's important to the safety of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the people of the of the state or

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<v Speaker 1>the municipality.

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<v Speaker 4>Where this law has passed.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So it is twenty five feet though close enough

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<v Speaker 1>for you to get the video that you needed of

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<v Speaker 1>George Floyd, is twenty five feet close enough for you

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to hear the things that I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure about it George Floyd is.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that this law, right, I think that

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<v Speaker 1>this law actually is an unnecessary law that's based upon

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<v Speaker 1>most of the arguments I've heard from the proponents of

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<v Speaker 1>this and the people that are in agreement with this

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<v Speaker 1>are hypothetical scenarios, Right. I don't see too many scenarios,

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<v Speaker 1>not in my state or yours, or anywhere around the country,

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<v Speaker 1>where this law would have done anything except give the

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<v Speaker 1>police officers an excuse, which I'm going back to blue.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I don't want to see officers in

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<v Speaker 1>any way hurt or interfered with. And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>you should listen and obey, and then obviously if there's

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<v Speaker 1>false arrest and things like that you pointed out, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be handled in the court. But exactly by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned George Floyd. Okay, you mentioned George Floyd. I

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<v Speaker 2>was not there, But that I understand was a woman

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<v Speaker 2>with a young woman with her cell phone who was

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<v Speaker 2>able to hold that camera steady for a long time

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<v Speaker 2>and to chronicle Chauvin, Derek Chauvin with his knee on

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<v Speaker 2>the neck of George Floyd. She did not have to

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<v Speaker 2>get within five feet. As a matter of fact, if

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<v Speaker 2>she got within five feet, somehow, some way that that

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<v Speaker 2>camera she was smart to stay at a at a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a distance. She could have been twenty feet,

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<v Speaker 2>you could, she.

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<v Speaker 1>Could have been with a zoom or whatever. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think that, you know, it's gonna I think that once

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<v Speaker 1>you start to draw these types of lines, right, which

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<v Speaker 1>is why I'm really against most restrictions on free all

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<v Speaker 1>of them points I do, Okay, And I understand it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a black and white thing either, right, That's why

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<v Speaker 1>we have these arguments. Right, Like other guys, I heard

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<v Speaker 1>the other guys, I don't want to argue with an attorney. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not attorney, but I have really good reading comprehension.

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<v Speaker 1>I like to read, and I could also argue really

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<v Speaker 1>well that's what you guys do really good, right. You

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<v Speaker 1>read things and then you argue. I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>debate that has to be had, and I could maybe

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<v Speaker 1>concede to something some small perimeter, and maybe that perimeter

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<v Speaker 1>could be extended upon depending upon the circumstance. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think a blanket twenty five foot, thirty feet fifty

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<v Speaker 1>feet or upon request get back and it becomes illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that opens up a great area for the

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<v Speaker 1>police to be able to misuse that a right, Thanks, then,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much. We to disagree. Thanks, okay, go and

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<v Speaker 2>take quick break here if you want to get in.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a couple of open lines. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>wrap it up. I got Christine coming up on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side. I got room for you now. If you

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<v Speaker 2>really want to get in, dial right now six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>If you agree that the halo law is something that

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<v Speaker 2>would do little harm, uh, which is what my position is, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>and that it would give police a bit of breathing room,

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<v Speaker 2>that's great. If you want to go the other way,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine as well. As I said, we have free speech.

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<v Speaker 2>There's yeah, this this free speech, but there's many examples

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<v Speaker 2>of where people go too far. It's like the clown

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<v Speaker 2>in Cleveland the other day that was yelling at Jared Duran,

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<v Speaker 2>the rid Sox center fielder who has had you know,

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<v Speaker 2>suicidal adiations, and he wanted to get uh, get his

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<v Speaker 2>point across. Well he did, but it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>improper in my opinion, and I'm glad that now you

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<v Speaker 2>can say, well, there's no government action involved here, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was at a baseball park and the guardians

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<v Speaker 2>made the right decision to get the guy out of

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<v Speaker 2>there is as simple as that. We'll be back a

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<v Speaker 2>couple more callers here to finish out strong six one, seven, two,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty, six, seven, nine thirty. We've had two good

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<v Speaker 2>hours in this. Let's keep it going.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on.

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<v Speaker 7>Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're wrapping up a couple of hours. We talked

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<v Speaker 2>last hour with the joining Greg Sullivan, the president of

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<v Speaker 2>the New England First Amendment Coalition, and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>a law that is being proposed at the state House.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be very interesting if this came up for

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<v Speaker 2>the debate at the State House. But as far as

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<v Speaker 2>I'm concerned, it probably will, as it often happens in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>be be referred to committee, which means essentially that is

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the law. Let me go to Christine. Christine,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think about this this proposal.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not show up at all that I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 8>just it's police to be respected, you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>is I'm going to get to the point like a parade,

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<v Speaker 8>that we have a barricade all senes. You know it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look that's another example. I mean, when there's a parade, generally,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess there are some parades where everybody is welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>but when there's generally a parade, the groups that are

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<v Speaker 2>allowed in the parade are the groups that apply, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's some owner there. It's the same way here we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. If a police officer, and again this is

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<v Speaker 2>more than police officer, police officer, firefighter, or an emergency

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<v Speaker 2>medical technician, they have a job to do and if

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<v Speaker 2>that and in most cases with EMTs, no one's going

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<v Speaker 2>to interfere intentionally with an EMT. They might try to

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<v Speaker 2>interfere with an arrest, but with an EMTY you can

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<v Speaker 2>always have that person who is there, Well, let me

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<v Speaker 2>help you. I don't what to do here. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor, but you know, and the EMT is going

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<v Speaker 2>to say, excuse me, we have this under control. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the person continues, oh, you know what you could

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<v Speaker 2>be doing here, and at some point the EMT to

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<v Speaker 2>give the em T the additional authority say look, please,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, step step back, stand back for twenty five feet.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's important. I think to have that's just

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<v Speaker 2>another tool in the toolbox. And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you agree or not, but we.

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<v Speaker 4>Can agree with this.

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<v Speaker 8>I you know, I was We were always taught to

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<v Speaker 8>respect your police, your firement.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever happened to that, it went away, it went away,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe just as bell bottom pants went away.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I know all these things too, with people with cameras.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, it's it's so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you. I'm with you, Christine. Thank you much

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<v Speaker 2>as always. We'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, I'm back to blue and mullifying men as God

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<v Speaker 8>bless the market them all fake.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Christine, appreciate it all right. I'm going to try GEO.

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<v Speaker 2>You have called in really late, I, honest to God,

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<v Speaker 2>have less than a minute for you, but I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to give you the microphone go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 7>Regarding the First and fourth Amendment, the search, illegal search,

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<v Speaker 7>and seizure, what the protests at the clinic are actually

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<v Speaker 7>doing is stealing, and they're actually terrorists who terrorize the

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<v Speaker 7>person who's trying to involve themselves in their own life.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have heard that characterization, but that's am.

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<v Speaker 9>The first Amendment that they're violating is the religion aspect.

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<v Speaker 9>They are trying to enforce their religion on another person.

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<v Speaker 9>God has a relationship with you. You don't have a

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<v Speaker 9>right to interfere with God's association with that woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Any rest to that article. I have expressed that point

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<v Speaker 2>of view. I happen to be pro life, Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what my religion teaches and that's what I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was raised as a Catholic.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's fine, and you don't have I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the point that I'm making is that I don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>that I have a right, although I do believe that

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<v Speaker 2>that unborn fetus is a living, growing, developing person, that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't ever right to block other people. Gio do

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<v Speaker 2>me a favorite, would you do? Please call a little

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<v Speaker 2>earlier because I'm flat out of time and I got

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<v Speaker 2>to wrap the show. And I appreciate when you call it,

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<v Speaker 2>but call earliest so we can actually have a conversation. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much. Done for the night, Rob Brooks,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much, Marita, thank you very much. To

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<v Speaker 2>my guest attorney, Greg Sullivan, thank you very much as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and also to Brian short Sleeve, candidate for governor on

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican side. All dogs, all cats, all pets go

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<v Speaker 2>to heap. And that's why Pal Charlie Rais, who passed

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years ago in February, that's why your pets are

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<v Speaker 2>who passed. They loved you and you loved them. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>see them again, see again tomorrow night. On night's side

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<v Speaker 2>of a great Wednesday, everyone,