Speaker 1: Good news, callum, good news. He's back.
Speaker 2: He's back, live and in concert.
Speaker 3: Do you know what he actually looks like? That fella
Speaker 3: from Royal Family, Jim Royal sat back slightly in his thing.
Speaker 3: Guess another, what's his catch raise?
Speaker 4: I'm on a Chesterfield though, so it's okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah is that Chesterfield?
Speaker 4: Is that Chesterfield?
Speaker 2: Guess another, rich Tea.
Speaker 1: It's actually I'll tell you what. Imagine Jim Royal if
Speaker 1: he had accidentally stumbled into a sort of slightly smart
Speaker 1: yet fading country house owned by what's his name? Effing Fulford.
Speaker 1: That's what we're.
Speaker 3: Seeing, dressed like a plus sized mannekin in millets.
Speaker 4: I'm going to give out your phone number on Twitter
Speaker 4: so people can call you.
Speaker 2: People do that in the street. I don't read it.
Speaker 2: I do that while driving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do that anyway, to the side of your car.
Speaker 4: You just have Richard Ligas's number out the side of
Speaker 4: your car with how is my driving?
Speaker 1: How's my driving? It's actually, if you think about it,
Speaker 1: I mean, my website's got all my contact details on
Speaker 1: and that is on my Twitter account. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: have yet Well mind you, I'm tempting fate here. I've
Speaker 1: yet to to have sort of, you know, direct messaging
Speaker 1: of just your but you know, the day is yet young.
Speaker 4: You don't have to be docks to do because you've
Speaker 4: kind of done it to yourself.
Speaker 1: We're hav insulted you enough. It is brilliant to have
Speaker 1: what remains of Richard Prideau back on Country Slide.
Speaker 2: Most of him still intact.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just got an extra bits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got extra bits.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I've lost about five kilos as well, I think, which
Speaker 4: is most mostly sort of my muscle wastage. Now I'm
Speaker 4: just watching my spindly leg appear. Although I found out
Speaker 4: the other day you can feel the plate under the skin.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because it's.
Speaker 4: On the front of the shin sort of you can
Speaker 4: feel the outline of it. It's weird.
Speaker 3: Should we explain if somebody has missed it that what happened?
Speaker 3: Because what's what are they talking about?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I got hit by a tree, broke my leg. A
Speaker 4: nice man from India put a plate in my leg,
Speaker 4: and now I can't walk until the end of May.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So if you want to read the full unexpegated version,
Speaker 1: go back to the but one episode of Country Slide,
Speaker 1: or read Richard's latest scribe pound piece to find the
Speaker 1: x ray picks.
Speaker 4: Hmm, thank you, Yeah, it's it's the I thought the
Speaker 4: x ray picks are a good way to get people
Speaker 4: to click through. Although I don't know if you noticed this.
Speaker 4: When you put an article on Scribe pound, sort of
Speaker 4: the first hour or two when it goes out, because
Speaker 4: I think they go live at half six in the
Speaker 4: morning or something, so just before everyone starts work, that's
Speaker 4: when you get your lowest rating, and then after that
Speaker 4: it goes back up again. So I think it's all
Speaker 4: the other writers who don't like us. They click dislike
Speaker 4: gets a percentage down and then you get your little
Speaker 4: score on the back end that you see as a
Speaker 4: writer on scraps, and then it goes back up again.
Speaker 1: That is probably right actually, So what it basically is
Speaker 1: all the people who either write for country Life or
Speaker 1: want to write for Country Life who don't like us.
Speaker 1: They they so no, it's absolutely rubbish. I hate that.
Speaker 1: Just with this it's about cottsworlds and point pointing. And
Speaker 1: then all the real people come in from milking and
Speaker 1: taking dogs out and got a breath of fresh air
Speaker 1: and that's it. Yeah. Other rural magazines are available. The
Speaker 1: Field very good photography in the field. Callum, well did
Speaker 1: you dry hair?
Speaker 4: What? Who got the cover this week? Didn't you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I got sent me. I finally got sent the issue because.
Speaker 3: I I haven't got the subscription.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I haven't got the subscription.
Speaker 3: Ye, I did have one, and then I just forgot
Speaker 3: because I've changed the dress about five times.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just got sent the issue.
Speaker 1: We've got the big issue, the big issue.
Speaker 2: I got the field. I don't know what are we
Speaker 2: in now.
Speaker 3: April April's issue, which is fishing and I've never ever
Speaker 3: had a fishing cover of anything before, apart from random
Speaker 3: European cart fishing magazines, which I'm not sure that counts.
Speaker 4: But with that, Miles Malone writing about BB was that
Speaker 4: there that was I had two?
Speaker 2: How lucky am I got two pieces in the field.
Speaker 3: It was a different one, Miles Malone's BB's gun.
Speaker 2: I think that one's the BB gun.
Speaker 3: One. There was two, So there's a BB Society's Day
Speaker 3: and a BB's Gun. I think BB's Gun was actually
Speaker 3: I think that was a while ago. And then this
Speaker 3: one is I think the BB Society Day, if anyone
Speaker 3: might right.
Speaker 4: I think official show historian Richard should explain who BB is,
Speaker 4: so people going to think this is an article about
Speaker 4: BB guns.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not actually a little tiny gun who fires
Speaker 1: very small round shot out. It's his proper name. Was
Speaker 1: it Watkins Prichford or something? That he wrote some fantastic
Speaker 1: books on wildfowling. He was a longstanding contributor to the
Speaker 1: Shooting Times, and probably most famously for writing that wonderful
Speaker 1: book Brendan Chase, where it actually inspired me as a
Speaker 1: young child, Brendan Chase, to run away briefly just because
Speaker 1: I thought it'd be fun to live in the woods
Speaker 1: like the three boys in Brendan Chase. But he was
Speaker 1: a beautiful writer and a beautiful artist too. What can Richford?
Speaker 1: I think he was a he was a master at
Speaker 1: Rugby School or something like that. That sounds about right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But he was a beautiful writer.
Speaker 2: He's writing amazing, but his art. We also wrote about cartfishing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 3: People to write about cartfishing. And it's interesting that cartfishing
Speaker 3: writing back in the day was written like it's a
Speaker 3: gentleman's sport, and these days cartfishing is not considered to
Speaker 3: be the pursuit of the gentleman.
Speaker 2: It's very much the true man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting, that, isn't it interesting?
Speaker 3: Knock off half a day after plastering and then you know,
Speaker 3: get fifteen cans of stellar and go for forty eight
Speaker 3: hours down the local.
Speaker 1: And pushing for carp with vintage gear that BB would
Speaker 1: have used, and then it's sort of acceptable to the
Speaker 1: slightly more aristocratic angler. Seems to be an important thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've just been doing some research about bittens for my
Speaker 1: next book.
Speaker 4: Is that working title still wants bitten twice shy?
Speaker 1: It really should be, But no, they weren't. My publisher
Speaker 1: didn't go for that.
Speaker 3: They Bitter the Devil, you know, Bitter the Devil, you know,
Speaker 3: I think as a better title.
Speaker 1: I do like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, we could do this all day.
Speaker 1: This is just one chapter on bitterens I hasten to it.
Speaker 1: It's not an entire book on bitten. So but it
Speaker 1: was quite interesting, is that I was looking back through
Speaker 1: some of the very old ornithological books, and Suffolk used
Speaker 1: to have the largest bitten population, and they just dropped
Speaker 1: off the perch, quite literally, and then they came back briefly,
Speaker 1: and then they went away again. Now they're coming back.
Speaker 1: But it's quite interesting is that there was a period,
Speaker 1: and I think that's probably around the time when BB
Speaker 1: was sort of writing, was that gentlemen gunners would actually
Speaker 1: try and shoot a bitten because of their rarity value.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's quite interesting is the fact that.
Speaker 3: Oh, well, I better shoot one before it goes extinct,
Speaker 3: well as like a curiosity to keep it as a
Speaker 3: as a taxidermy or something.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's sort of an argument that a lot
Speaker 4: of Edward and gentlemen's activities were purely to provide conversation
Speaker 4: in the club, weren't they. They was sort of so
Speaker 4: you had something to talk about. You know, did you
Speaker 4: see that I did this? Yeah, it was on the
Speaker 4: social media of its day.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. But rather than pretending you did it,
Speaker 1: you actually did do it. So therefore and you did
Speaker 1: to prove that you did it, rather than the selfie,
Speaker 1: they had to go and shoot this thing. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and the bitten because there is it doesn't spoil the story.
Speaker 1: But there's a bitten that was maybe still in the
Speaker 1: Dunnich Museum which is just south of Southward, and it
Speaker 1: was shot by my great uncle. He wasn't a gentleman gunner,
Speaker 1: I hastened to add, he did it for a living,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: It for the love of the game.
Speaker 4: He just liked the hatred of bittons, He.
Speaker 3: Liked getting endangered red listed things, and just he just
Speaker 3: loved blasted.
Speaker 1: Well, the interesting thing was he actually did it for ornithologists.
Speaker 1: So someone would say, I want you to go and
Speaker 1: shoot a bitton because I want a stuff one so
Speaker 1: that we can exhibit it. And that's the weird thing.
Speaker 1: And it's something that Mark now has often says, is that.
Speaker 1: He said, although birds nesting for young lads largely used
Speaker 1: to be great efficionados of having an egg collection, he
Speaker 1: said when that died out, because under the wildlife comes
Speaker 1: like that, it was banned. He said. It. In one way,
Speaker 1: it was good for birds, because your little boys going
Speaker 1: and nicking an egg from out of a nest, he said,
Speaker 1: but it stopped that fascination and that interesting going and
Speaker 1: understanding different birds and what they are and whatnot by
Speaker 1: removing it, he said. So in a way it was
Speaker 1: a bad thing for nature, he said, because people stopped
Speaker 1: their fascination and wonder in it because they no longer
Speaker 1: go egg collecting, and he said in a way, he said,
Speaker 1: you could record, and he does this. He's a nest recorder,
Speaker 1: and there are means and ways of officially going and
Speaker 1: recording nests as to how you're doing, and it's quite interventionist.
Speaker 1: They'll be perfectly honest. But he said, you know, he's
Speaker 1: not advocating egg collection. He said, but there are many
Speaker 1: of the finest ornithologists throughout history came about because they
Speaker 1: either shot birds to study then afterwards as taxidamized things,
Speaker 1: or they collected their eggs so they could go and
Speaker 1: sort of pull out a draw and go, ah, yes
Speaker 1: that they go, there's a marsh tit And that was it.
Speaker 1: So was quite bizarre and always good to hear from
Speaker 1: Mark because he's such a voice of the middle ground
Speaker 1: and common sense agreed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wasn't there an American bird? It was like a
Speaker 4: reads warbler or something which was it became extinct effectively
Speaker 4: within there was a two day period and two naturalists
Speaker 4: they each shot one because it was so rare, and
Speaker 4: it looks like they probably shot the last two days
Speaker 4: of each other.
Speaker 1: The passenger. Yeah, I think that's passive, Mark Avery. Actually
Speaker 1: he not have always necessarily a friend of the show,
Speaker 1: but nonetheless fascinating.
Speaker 4: I called him a chunky funster in an article.
Speaker 1: Yes you did. He gave my book nine out of ten,
Speaker 1: which is quite bizarre. But anyway, I don't know what
Speaker 1: I lost the one point for. It's probably because I
Speaker 1: didn't quite blow Sunshine up.
Speaker 4: As as because your uncle shot a bitten because my uncle shot.
Speaker 1: A bitter and yeah, basically, yeah do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you're trd for life after that. But he
Speaker 1: retired for word at hard and feathered for life. He
Speaker 1: wrote a very good book about the passenger pigeon and
Speaker 1: it's and how it sort of went from being as
Speaker 1: common as ticks on a dog to gone in such
Speaker 1: a short space of time, and using it as a
Speaker 1: sort of this is what can happen to you species
Speaker 1: that if you get too much hunting pressure, too much habitat,
Speaker 1: lost too much of this, too much of that, and
Speaker 1: they all combined together, and hey, Presto is dead, you know,
Speaker 1: and gone. Do you want to hear a fascinating thing?
Speaker 1: I've had any email?
Speaker 4: Can we stop you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 4: Really is just a fascination generation machine, isn't he.
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating thing because I received an email today
Speaker 1: from a correspondent in Holland and she bought my book
Speaker 1: in Holland, and she is a novelist, and she's asking
Speaker 1: a question where.
Speaker 2: Can I return it?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's well funbed, largely because I've just put for gripping.
Speaker 1: It's up. She asked this question right in her book.
Speaker 1: She's got some characters that are running around in the
Speaker 1: Duvolu juniper forest. Have you ever come across a juniper forest? Richard? No, No,
Speaker 1: so must be a thing, and she said, piqued interest. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's saying that she is. Her characters are escaping
Speaker 1: from someone who are put from some pursuers, and they
Speaker 1: want to take shelter near a seemingly impenetrable hedge that
Speaker 1: are being created a decade before and has been the
Speaker 1: abandoned and left to go wild. My characters are hoping
Speaker 1: that by trying to find a way through the hedge,
Speaker 1: their pursuers won't find them the hedge before the juniper forest.
Speaker 1: My question is how plausible is it for people, even
Speaker 1: though by desperation, to try to escape through a hedge
Speaker 1: gone wild? If they can, how what kind of hedge
Speaker 1: would be able to grow near a juniper forest. Well,
Speaker 1: I've never come across a juniper forest. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know what it's like to try and burst through a
Speaker 1: ten year old hedge relatively easy, but yeah, a juniper forest.
Speaker 1: This is this is news to me because.
Speaker 4: Du all the wild junipers in the UK, they're all
Speaker 4: in upland areas. There's actually there was a project a
Speaker 4: little while ago to real sort of restore or propagate
Speaker 4: the last few native junipers in Wales, and there's only
Speaker 4: about six and they're all sort of hanging on the
Speaker 4: side of a crag somewhere because a sheep of eaten
Speaker 4: the rest. But they're all in pretty poor soil. So
Speaker 4: I wonder if it's sort of heathland.
Speaker 1: Yes, she did say actually, which I perhaps should have said.
Speaker 1: So that's very good observation there, she said. Is situated
Speaker 1: in a place called the Hogue Value, which is a
Speaker 1: national park consisting of forests, heath and sand. There you go,
Speaker 1: mister preb And yeah, basically yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, so juniper grows, it's got slow growing sometimes grows
Speaker 3: a few millimeters per year, right, So that's you know,
Speaker 3: it's not going to take over it very quickly. Article
Speaker 3: importance it's good for biodiversity.
Speaker 1: And also good speaking of which, cheers, I'm not allowed,
Speaker 1: are you not still?
Speaker 4: I've got some blood tests and all sorts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ghastly, I'm just off the stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're working. You're working on a job that used
Speaker 4: to be mine tomorrow, aren't you. Yeah, really, I've kind
Speaker 4: of landed you with it out of the kindness of
Speaker 4: your heart.
Speaker 1: You're chopping trees down that will kill you. Great, well done,
Speaker 1: I'm lucky you.
Speaker 2: Which job is it? I know?
Speaker 3: I'm I'm going to do a fix a shop for
Speaker 3: as a carpenter. Wait, no, no, it's not that one.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna run a dog cafe. No, no, it's not
Speaker 3: that one. Which one is? It explained to the audience
Speaker 3: which one it is?
Speaker 4: You're going to take the photos that the National Gamekeeper
Speaker 4: Organizations a gm and awards ceremony over in Coventry, which
Speaker 4: is for once it's one of these things. Is actually
Speaker 4: genuinely in the middle of the country.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's called Middle of the Earth Conference Center
Speaker 3: or something, Heart of England.
Speaker 2: That's the one middle conference.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to say this because I have a
Speaker 4: lot of friends in the NGO and they organize things
Speaker 4: very very well. But I will say that going to
Speaker 4: an awards ceremony organized by gamekeepers is very different to
Speaker 4: going to an awards ceremony run by the debutante daughters
Speaker 4: who mostly do gw CT events. Yeah, I can imagine
Speaker 4: a very different vibe.
Speaker 1: Would you like another piece of pork pie? Yes, there's
Speaker 1: the Canna pays. A chunky and chewy.
Speaker 2: Elevens would be great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well do I have to just stand
Speaker 3: on the shoulder of someone on a peg and just
Speaker 3: hope that a pheasant comes over or they actually want
Speaker 3: me to do some work?
Speaker 4: Now? You all start at the back of the room
Speaker 4: and gradually move towards the front, and there's someone at
Speaker 4: the end of each line with a bit of plastic
Speaker 4: on a stick.
Speaker 3: But if I was at the Gamekeeper's Awards, I would
Speaker 3: definitely round people up by.
Speaker 2: Shouting oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hey, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and flapping her and flapping an old feedbag tied
Speaker 3: to a stick.
Speaker 1: I would suggest a Gamekeeper's Awards tomorrow. Tomorrow.
Speaker 4: I want to hear your take on this, because I've
Speaker 4: done the photos there for four years.
Speaker 2: Now and I've seen how difficult it looks.
Speaker 1: I tell you. Look, it's very simple. If you want
Speaker 1: to get a load of gamekeepers to flock towards you,
Speaker 1: put your hand in your wallet pocket and pull it
Speaker 1: out with like a slightly closed fist, but what appears
Speaker 1: to be note or better still notes clutched in your hand,
Speaker 1: and they will suddenly come towards you with a big
Speaker 1: beaming smile on their face.
Speaker 2: And then funny handshake.
Speaker 1: Funny handshake.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's like that, the keeper and the underkeeper who
Speaker 4: you have not seen on a hard surface all weekend
Speaker 4: and now suddenly stood in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, a hard surface, brilliant.
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely. You know what's coming, yeah, exactly. So what
Speaker 1: are we going to be talking about today, because we
Speaker 1: you know, we've obviously planned this hm hm intricately.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sort of detached from things because I've in
Speaker 4: an attempt to not go mad, I'm trying not to
Speaker 4: go on the internet much while I'm laid up and
Speaker 4: trying to read books that are printed on paper and
Speaker 4: things like that. I'm I'm reading the biography of Felwell
Speaker 4: stuff like that. So that's a bit out of tune
Speaker 4: with what's actually happening. But you sent some news articles
Speaker 4: over in the old WhatsApp group.
Speaker 1: I did, I did, and one I thought was particularly interesting.
Speaker 1: So we have already mentioned Mark Avery who erst while
Speaker 1: member of Wild Justice. But while Justice seemed to have
Speaker 1: actually done something which I am slightly in favor of
Speaker 1: in a way is that they have expanded. No, what
Speaker 1: they've done is that they have started to hold to
Speaker 1: account Natural England because they have managed to with a
Speaker 1: bit of freedom of information requests and whatnot. And in
Speaker 1: it actually, if they're just spoken to one or two
Speaker 1: people in the world of conservation, they would have had
Speaker 1: this confirmed already that Natural England is not designating anymore
Speaker 1: sites of special Scientific interest, and they haven't done that
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty three. And the slight interesting thing is
Speaker 1: that there is a thought, I mean, we can discuss
Speaker 1: sites of special scientif into interesting if it's actually beneficial
Speaker 1: to wildlife and wider nature in a minute. But one
Speaker 1: of the interesting things that they discovered in their research
Speaker 1: is that there is the reason why there was a
Speaker 1: place down in Thurock, which I think isn't thorough down
Speaker 1: there where the q E two bridge and the Dartford
Speaker 1: crossing is down that.
Speaker 2: Sort of way I think it's technically Essex.
Speaker 1: But ken border right, So there that that Natural England
Speaker 1: have said that they're considering inverted Commas new principles to
Speaker 1: prioritize the notification of triple size. Natural England is in
Speaker 1: the process of reviewing its limited resources. Well we know
Speaker 1: that they've had their their budgets cut by DEFRA to
Speaker 1: consider how they can most effectively be used to achieve
Speaker 1: and support the restoration of nature. Well, if we here
Speaker 1: listen to what we were talking about last week, Callum,
Speaker 1: that seems to be a load of beavers and some
Speaker 1: glutenous snails which are going to die in dirty water anyway.
Speaker 1: But one site that was earmark for protection by Natural
Speaker 1: England at Thurrock, will be destroyed by a new port
Speaker 1: development known as Tilbury three, which was granted planning permission
Speaker 1: in February this year exactly. But I think they mean
Speaker 1: port with the docs terrible. Actually, let's be perfectly honest.
Speaker 1: What is also coming into Tilbury is it is a great,
Speaker 1: big green energy project. Is that this is where the
Speaker 1: Norwich to Tilbury pylonline comes in. So they're going to
Speaker 1: put socking, great big electrical whatever they're called, those things
Speaker 1: that take the electricity in before they then send it
Speaker 1: off to Brighton. So a load of Green Party supporters
Speaker 1: can go and boast a matter how kind they are
Speaker 1: to the environment because their their energy has been sort
Speaker 1: of done by wind power.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's so Dale Vince can buy
Speaker 4: more teeth Venia, isn't that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's basically mean Delvin. No, you mean del Vince exactly.
Speaker 1: That that slightly Charlotte Teness.
Speaker 4: Just want to make sure I get my insults in correctly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that that ridiculous man who sort of dresses
Speaker 1: like he's rig off the young ones and pretends that
Speaker 1: he's green while going, yeah, gone, I'll give you loads
Speaker 1: of money, Ed Milliband as long as you go and
Speaker 1: let me put my stuff everywhere. That's exactly the del
Speaker 1: Vince we're talking about, owner of Forest Green Rovers, who
Speaker 1: he then subsequently made all the Forest Green Rovers players
Speaker 1: become vegan. And I couldn't win a raffle now because
Speaker 1: they're all like sort of pasty faced and their legs break.
Speaker 1: Exactly back to the meat raffle at the Forest Green
Speaker 1: Rovers ground ship, wouldn't it's.
Speaker 4: All corn, It's all Linda McCarthy sausages.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's your views Richard on size good or
Speaker 1: bad vegetarianism?
Speaker 2: Deep in the weed?
Speaker 1: Does he look like a man who eats a corn sausage?
Speaker 2: He doesn't look pro vegan?
Speaker 1: He doesn't.
Speaker 4: No, we just we now have definitive sort of X
Speaker 4: rays of exactly how wide my bones are. And when
Speaker 4: I get buried and then dug up again a six
Speaker 4: hundred years are going to mistake me for an ox?
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Well ham, didn't they say that when they
Speaker 1: cut your leg open? They thought it was like slicing
Speaker 1: a ham.
Speaker 3: Yes, a Spanish man that that sort of got hungry
Speaker 3: halfway through.
Speaker 4: I want to stand on Boxing day on someone's table,
Speaker 4: people coming around.
Speaker 1: I bought this. I bought this when I was on
Speaker 1: the Holday in Buffalo. Now, yeah, exactly what is it?
Speaker 1: Hang my leg? It came with a.
Speaker 4: Box from Little Trip.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 4: They're a weird one because people always assume it's for oh,
Speaker 4: it's to protect one readfully rare thing that only exists there. Well, no,
Speaker 4: because it can be geology, it can be a landform,
Speaker 4: it can be just an overall habitat that promotes more
Speaker 4: of this thing and that thing is well, it's not
Speaker 4: necessarily rare in the UK, and because a lot of
Speaker 4: these sort of overlap with our time in the EU
Speaker 4: and the e C e C that they were European
Speaker 4: designations effectively just under using our framework of law. But
Speaker 4: a lot of these things they're not that rare here.
Speaker 4: It's just the UK is the only place you've still
Speaker 4: got them because we're an island and sort of you
Speaker 4: know we've got we've got the bluebells, for example, So
Speaker 4: they are protected species, and a lot of triple sis
Speaker 4: are set up around things like bluebell woodlands and stuff like.
Speaker 3: That, so.
Speaker 4: They are they're a weird one because on the outside
Speaker 4: they look like it's a dreadfully important thing and this
Speaker 4: is basically a shrine to nature where you can't you
Speaker 4: should not do anything. But when you look at most
Speaker 4: of them, it's yeah, there's a bit more limestone pavement
Speaker 4: here and you get a bit more of those mosses
Speaker 4: and bryophytes, but you don't you get them on the
Speaker 4: other side of the valley as well. It's just this
Speaker 4: big got surveyed first. This is where a triple s
Speaker 4: I is, So it's often a bit of a it's
Speaker 4: a weird legal structure as well, because I think it
Speaker 4: was the Antiquity to Act what the Wildlife and Countryside
Speaker 4: Act was built on, and the Wildlife and Countryside Act
Speaker 4: is what a Triple s I is designated.
Speaker 1: Under, and they sort of shoehorned that into They sort
Speaker 1: of change from being this is historically amazing too, this
Speaker 1: is death Okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, from being Sutton who too?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Got Yeah. So in Calumber, what would your immediate
Speaker 1: reaction be if you heard that Triple SIS could suddenly
Speaker 1: go underneath a load of pylons and pilings for ports.
Speaker 1: I mean, what would your immediate reaction be to it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite surprising really then that they can potentially
Speaker 3: is this going to happen or might happen?
Speaker 1: Well, it's this is the interesting thing. Yes, So definitely
Speaker 1: the one that thorok is that's been given planning permission
Speaker 1: and it was a site that was destined to be
Speaker 1: given Triple s I, And I would imagine it's probably
Speaker 1: down there because it was probably read wetland, which is rare,
Speaker 1: and it would certainly be home to red listed species.
Speaker 1: I mean you could argue the toss is literally being
Speaker 1: on that dirty old bit of that very heavily industrialized
Speaker 1: bit of that Thames going to be actually as pristine
Speaker 1: as what it could should be. I mean, funnily enough,
Speaker 1: I know plenty of people who have got Triple s
Speaker 1: I woulds, and they wish that they weren't, and they'll
Speaker 1: say that my Triple s I woods are in worse
Speaker 1: condition than my woods that avoided being given the Triple
Speaker 1: SI domination. In fact, I was once supposed to write
Speaker 1: an article for I think it was The Shooting Times
Speaker 1: and the owner of the wood where we were as
Speaker 1: incredible places of whatever you do, do not reveal where
Speaker 1: we are. Because I was writing how I had to
Speaker 1: remove the exact location. I just said East Anglia in
Speaker 1: the end, because I was talking about all the various
Speaker 1: wildflowers have we seen? He said, because if natural England
Speaker 1: get here, this next thing, I know, I've got bloody
Speaker 1: Triple SI status slapped on this.
Speaker 4: He said.
Speaker 1: Then I'm not going to be able to manage the
Speaker 1: wood properly because so there is a ying and a
Speaker 1: yang to it. But I think it's a good thing
Speaker 1: for once for wild justice have done because to me,
Speaker 1: they've actually highlighted that this government has been quite prepared
Speaker 1: to ride rough shod over protected landscapes, and that the
Speaker 1: previous government was clearly prepared to run roughshod over protected landscapes.
Speaker 1: And so therefore, you know, we've got to have a
Speaker 1: bit of a grown up conversation about the problems at zero.
Speaker 1: So if you.
Speaker 3: If you decided that Triple s I Land was going
Speaker 3: to be the place to be for pylons, et cetera,
Speaker 3: could you then not designate a place of you know,
Speaker 3: a place to match that. Essentially, so you know, say
Speaker 3: it's one hundred acres that's now being used for this,
Speaker 3: could you not protect then another one hundred acres somewhere
Speaker 3: else that Arguably.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's slightly by diversity in that game, that's a
Speaker 4: different thing, but that is that was one of the
Speaker 4: sort of reasons for biodiversit in that game, being part
Speaker 4: of the planning infrastructure that you're knocking down fifty acres
Speaker 4: of habitat to build this housing estate, so you have
Speaker 4: to do surveys before find out what's there, and then
Speaker 4: somewhere else fifty acres or more will be funded to
Speaker 4: improve bidiversity in those areas to a greater degree. So actually,
Speaker 4: so it's not just one for one replacement, it's meant
Speaker 4: to be one and a half two to one.
Speaker 3: Where I live, there's a this is a huge divergence.
Speaker 3: Where I live, there's a little pond that is now
Speaker 3: full of wildlife. And when I share pictures.
Speaker 4: In the kitchen still not finished, then.
Speaker 2: We can come on to that.
Speaker 3: Usually when I go down there's there's absolutely tons of wildlife.
Speaker 3: There's the frogs have done it incredibly well. All the
Speaker 3: tadpoles are in there. Occasionally you get kingfishers over there.
Speaker 3: You've got a resident goose on there, just one lonely
Speaker 3: one for some reason.
Speaker 1: Why is that fuddy there's just just.
Speaker 3: Just hanging around like I don't know what he's waiting for,
Speaker 3: but something so and it's got some trees around it,
Speaker 3: and it's just a nice place. I've seen woodcock in
Speaker 3: the little tiny bit of wood and that it's a
Speaker 3: nice little, nice little break from what is otherwise just
Speaker 3: a long patch of meadowland. And that was I found
Speaker 3: out that that was actually built because when they built
Speaker 3: the M eleven motorway, they took a pond that was
Speaker 3: there and they built over the pond. So I'm not
Speaker 3: sure local council some authority turned around and said, well,
Speaker 3: if you're going to build over the pond, we want
Speaker 3: us to build another one. So they built this other
Speaker 3: one not too far all away, and they like, it's
Speaker 3: not great, so they lined well, it is good. They
Speaker 3: lined it with concrete, so it looks a bit like
Speaker 3: a paddling pole, but it's actually a proper pond and.
Speaker 2: It did really well, and there's lots and lots of wildlife.
Speaker 3: So I think that's a prime example of you can
Speaker 3: have a thing where it's sure you're destroying a habitat,
Speaker 3: but skip forward. God them eleven has been in sixty years,
Speaker 3: I think, so, yeah, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 4: I've seen see first Town and how that sort of
Speaker 4: has evolved onto becoming you know, our side probably the
Speaker 4: discussion sort of the more conservation minded side. We like
Speaker 4: that kind of thing. But if you're somebody looking at
Speaker 4: the infrastructure and thinking why is this costing so much?
Speaker 4: Why is this taking so long, and sort of like
Speaker 4: the pinnacle of that is HS two and the backbridge
Speaker 4: and things like that. But that's all part of the
Speaker 4: ecological mitigation because there is a whole industry of ecologists,
Speaker 4: professional ecologists, and ecological consultancies whose job is basically to
Speaker 4: do the assessment before and after and to say these
Speaker 4: are the structures you need to put in place. And
Speaker 4: we had one big project at the edge of the
Speaker 4: town here, so the sort of closed the load of
Speaker 4: the local primary schools and made a super primary school
Speaker 4: at the edge of town and they sort of built
Speaker 4: on an old farm. Yeah, it was, it's like and
Speaker 4: it's also because it's English and Wells. You got an
Speaker 4: English half and the Welsh half, and it's got like
Speaker 4: this Berlin wall thing down the middle. But you have
Speaker 4: there were a couple of old barns and a big
Speaker 4: hollow oak tree. I think there's an oak back in
Speaker 4: an elm in the middle of this field. It was
Speaker 4: full of bats. So when they built the school, one
Speaker 4: of the things they had to put in as part
Speaker 4: of the planning was these bathouses, which were basically Richard
Speaker 4: Nigus's conservatory there, the big sort of green oak frame things.
Speaker 4: They look really nice. They're really the ornate structures. But
Speaker 4: the developer said that those bathouses cost fifty pounds and
Speaker 4: that was why there wasn't adequate play facilities at the school,
Speaker 4: which wasn't true. What cost fifty pounds was the entire
Speaker 4: ecological survey for the whole site and everything over this
Speaker 4: quite big infrastructure project. But they use that to tell
Speaker 4: the local community, Oh, this is why we can't spend
Speaker 4: it on the things for your kids. Is because of
Speaker 4: those stupid bats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll blame blame a newt for white car. This
Speaker 1: is the red tape thing, exactly. I think it's an
Speaker 1: interesting thing because I mean to say, for example, your
Speaker 1: pond you're talking about there can't That sounds like a
Speaker 1: very good wildlife pond that is doing what it should do.
Speaker 1: I believed and still believe that the purpose of the
Speaker 1: Triple s I is supposed to that is the site
Speaker 1: of special. It's the special is the important scientific interest,
Speaker 1: because hell, I've got a great big clump of ivy
Speaker 1: that's outside my window here that I'm looking at, and
Speaker 1: it's got tree sparrows in it, and tree sparrows are
Speaker 1: a red listed species. I don't listen to what the
Speaker 1: RSPB say. I still carry on supplementary feeding for them
Speaker 1: and they appreciate it. So I've got a red listed
Speaker 1: species living in a leyland eye next to a next
Speaker 1: to a clump of old ivy. Now that wouldn't get
Speaker 1: Triple SI status, yet it is home to red listed species.
Speaker 1: But if it possibly had some breckland sand under it,
Speaker 1: or a pingu pond the other side, but then it
Speaker 1: suddenly would and so therefore I think it's something that
Speaker 1: can't be replicated. Was the idea of the triple SI,
Speaker 1: so it was especially scientifically interesting, so it was a
Speaker 1: sum of the parts. So what it sounds like you're
Speaker 1: talking about with your pond was they had to build
Speaker 1: a motorway. Very sensible. Yeah, So therefore, if you've destroyed
Speaker 1: a habitat, you put one back, and now it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be one plus ten percent. So if it was
Speaker 1: one hundred acres, it's going to be one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten acres of biodiversity net gain. But the thing is
Speaker 1: with triple s I is it a bit of a
Speaker 1: So it can't be it can't be replicating it.
Speaker 2: It's you can't just create habits.
Speaker 1: You couldn't. You couldn't replace that because it's supposedly a
Speaker 1: site of special scientific interest. So I think where the
Speaker 1: problem comes is twofold. Is that one a threefold actually
Speaker 1: because one they slaps besides a special scientific interest, so
Speaker 1: it gives it greater protection than anything else, So theoretically
Speaker 1: they shouldn't. You're not able to build over it. You
Speaker 1: couldn't build the M eleven round there, which is why
Speaker 1: they had to do these ridiculously expensive mitigations when they
Speaker 1: were doing HS two, because they were going they had
Speaker 1: to build tunnels underneath some sort of hills near where
Speaker 1: Roald Dahl once lived. They had to do that because
Speaker 1: it was through a triple s I and an era
Speaker 1: outstanding attribute to hide this, this archaic railway that they
Speaker 1: still insist on is going to increase your speed to
Speaker 1: get to Birmingham by three seconds or something, so that
Speaker 1: that caused a bit of a who are The second
Speaker 1: thing is, like already said, is it doesn't actually necessarily
Speaker 1: guarantee because triple s I is on, it usually means
Speaker 1: that the bloody Local wild Life Trust or the RSPB
Speaker 1: get their myths on the management of it, which usually
Speaker 1: means that it starts to decay. Look at wiccan Fen
Speaker 1: as a fine example of a reed bed which is
Speaker 1: now failing because that's a triple s I and the
Speaker 1: National Trust have decided how they're going to manage that,
Speaker 1: and that's badly. And the third thing is exactly as
Speaker 1: Richard says, is that it's putting builders and therefore some
Speaker 1: political parties and bizarrely the Labor Party this time, are
Speaker 1: sort of almost making the Newt an enemy. It's the
Speaker 1: news that's stopping you from getting an out, said Angela Rayner.
Speaker 1: We no, it's not. Actually, it's someone being a dickhead
Speaker 1: about Newts as stopping you from getting an out. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I know it's a very weird online world. But Twitter
Speaker 4: or x as it is now, you know, you and
Speaker 4: you and I are both breathingly active on there, and
Speaker 4: every now and again we say something about nature and
Speaker 4: politics and things like that, and you pick up a
Speaker 4: load of new followers who are probably people who will
Speaker 4: not get on with in any other way, but they've
Speaker 4: all got that same avatar thing, which there's Team backed Team,
Speaker 4: which came about from the Labor saying we're going to
Speaker 4: tear up the red tape around the stopping and all
Speaker 4: these bats and Newts getting in the way. Was that
Speaker 4: Steve Thinghamerbob that that Steve Reid?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: So there's this is one of those horseshoe issues where
Speaker 4: sort of if you like conservation either side of the
Speaker 4: you've probably got more aligned views with the conservation minded
Speaker 4: people right at the other end of the political scale,
Speaker 4: just because this is nature is sort of an a
Speaker 4: political issue, even though it's often made political. Another thing
Speaker 4: that's just come to our mind is that with these
Speaker 4: triple size you get because you can go on a
Speaker 4: deaferent magic map and find where your local triples eyes are,
Speaker 4: and if you click into it, it says, this is
Speaker 4: what the name of the triple s I is, this
Speaker 4: is its number, this is why it's designated. And if
Speaker 4: you keep clicking through, it takes you toward sort of
Speaker 4: the documents and the PDFs about when it was set up.
Speaker 4: And some of them are just scams of the original
Speaker 4: stuff from the eighties, and they all have on the
Speaker 4: sort of the paperwork looks broadly the same, but they
Speaker 4: all have what used to be called pdos potentially damaging operations,
Speaker 4: and now they're called or net operations requiring Natural England's consent,
Speaker 4: which is if you have a triple US or there's
Speaker 4: an equivalent for natural resources whales here in Wales, but
Speaker 4: if you have a woodland that's a triple s I.
Speaker 4: And let's say you want to apply for a felling license,
Speaker 4: then you get the extra Even if it's just thinning
Speaker 4: or copying or something like that and it's not going
Speaker 4: to affect that species or that habitat, you still have
Speaker 4: to apply for an extra license on top of the
Speaker 4: felling license to get consent to do one of these
Speaker 4: potentially damaging operations. The stupid thing is basically that list
Speaker 4: of things you're not allowed to do on the Triple
Speaker 4: s I is the same across almost every single one.
Speaker 4: It's the same list of things, and it's things like
Speaker 4: bring in heavy machinery, compress soil, remove plants or plant material,
Speaker 4: which is the thing that makes it illegal to forage
Speaker 4: in a Triple s I. Okay, so, but it's the
Speaker 4: sort of a really lazy, overpowered designation for it's and
Speaker 4: it's very blanket because it just it just had to
Speaker 4: be done to protect these places, but it's not representative
Speaker 4: of what's there. So it's probably why they sort of
Speaker 4: have a bad name amongst landowners because if you do
Speaker 4: have a Triple s I, you can do bugger all
Speaker 4: with it, you know, and it's very expensive to go
Speaker 4: through the licensing process to get permission to do it.
Speaker 1: Utterly, I mean, the peculiar thing is if you look
Speaker 1: at our forestry listeners would appreciate this one is half
Speaker 1: the reason why the woods became triple s I woods
Speaker 1: in the first place is because they were made more
Speaker 1: diverse habitats in the first place by the interaction of
Speaker 1: man i, coppering, thinning, felling, doing all the things that
Speaker 1: woodland management requires. Exactly the same with reedbeds is that
Speaker 1: the only reason why bittens used to be about if
Speaker 1: we didn't shoot them, was because you had would reed
Speaker 1: beds which were wet, They had diverse range of habitats,
Speaker 1: You had pools in them, you had navigable waterway. So
Speaker 1: all the things that are bitter needs for both the
Speaker 1: male so he can go and do his display and
Speaker 1: the hen so she can do the nesting are created
Speaker 1: by the hand of man. And then the moment that
Speaker 1: they become a triple SI then some bloody engo comes
Speaker 1: in and says, all right, we won't touch them, and
Speaker 1: before you know it, the reedbed starts drying out. You've
Speaker 1: got a load of goat willow and blackthorn, an ingress
Speaker 1: of of older, and god knows what else. It all
Speaker 1: turns into scrub and they go we haven't got any bitters,
Speaker 1: but we've rewilded it and we've now got lots of
Speaker 1: these birds here, So you know that it's a it's
Speaker 1: a cleft stick, but I think it's actually something that
Speaker 1: while justice, I'll give them seven out of ten for
Speaker 1: opening this debate up, because what it has actually shown
Speaker 1: is that our landscapes are now becoming much easier to
Speaker 1: build on. And I was at I became an activist
Speaker 1: this weekend for one day, in one day only. I've
Speaker 1: never been a great fan of being an activist. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know the ones that have actually got a bit
Speaker 1: of extra trouser at the bottom that you can attached
Speaker 1: by a zip. And I had a walking stick for
Speaker 1: no apparent reason I Willy had. But yeah, it's I'm
Speaker 1: going to super glue yourself to no, no, no themselves, just.
Speaker 3: Stop oil people. And now that people are about petrol prices.
Speaker 1: Yeah probably probably, yeah, so they're conspicuous by their absence now.
Speaker 1: And no, actually I was. It was a thing that
Speaker 1: was organized by the Community Planning Alliance And these are
Speaker 1: a hotchpotch exactly as you say, Richard, the horseshoe is
Speaker 1: meeting in the middle. So I was talking to groups
Speaker 1: of individuals on Saturday who are extremely worried about the
Speaker 1: government's commitment to build one and a half million homes,
Speaker 1: seemingly in places where they go, Oh, there's not many
Speaker 1: people live there, so we'll go and put it there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just build a brilliant idea is going to build a
Speaker 1: forest city of a million people in Suffolk because it's
Speaker 1: near Cambridge and you know there's lots of green space there,
Speaker 1: so let's remove the green space by putting four hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty thousand houses on there and call it a
Speaker 1: forest city, and that way we'll make cells look good.
Speaker 1: But this Unity Planning Alliance are a hotch potch of
Speaker 1: people who range from the Team Bat Team Newt, which
Speaker 1: were quite interesting. So therefore they were sort of slowercase
Speaker 1: greens or what do they call them deep greens, but
Speaker 1: equally greens, deep green, farrel and ball color. It seems
Speaker 1: to be a new term. So there are the watermelons
Speaker 1: who are green on the outside, red on the inside,
Speaker 1: so plant Ski's version of green. And you've got the
Speaker 1: deep greens, who are the people who sort of are
Speaker 1: very very concerned about their immediate local environment first and foremost,
Speaker 1: and you know, probably if asked they would. I really
Speaker 1: care about the you know that the polar ice caps,
Speaker 1: but they actually do shit about.
Speaker 4: Oh actually yes, you actually get anxiety about it, that kind.
Speaker 1: Of that sort of thing. They've also got.
Speaker 2: In forms.
Speaker 1: Well, this is it.
Speaker 2: Keep the Arctic white.
Speaker 1: You've got a good joke.
Speaker 2: That was a good joke.
Speaker 1: You've actually got green reform type people who are going
Speaker 1: this is a green and pleasant land. You know. I
Speaker 1: like to go down to the pub, my village pub.
Speaker 1: I like to see the cows, I like to see
Speaker 1: the farmers. I like to go down in my local
Speaker 1: farm shop and buy me eggs. And I don't want
Speaker 1: a load of mock tudor houses getting built on the
Speaker 1: outskirts of my village. So I mean, so they're a tractors,
Speaker 1: call them nimbies, but I think and I was happy
Speaker 1: to go and talk at a meeting in Essex. So
Speaker 1: I went down to Essex and that the room was
Speaker 1: packed with all these people, and I sort of said, well, look,
Speaker 1: farming is the cradle of nature and these guys are
Speaker 1: just trying to eviscerate farming and they want to build
Speaker 1: all over it. So rise up my brothers and sisters
Speaker 1: and to the barricades and they sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: stood up gingerly because when you get to that age,
Speaker 1: you do, and because their needs were going these going.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a there's an interesting thing there was sort
Speaker 4: of the traditionalist movement for the British countryside, because you've
Speaker 4: got reform and then you've got sort of the Voldemor
Speaker 4: to the Great Yarmouth with the Restore Party, which has
Speaker 4: very much adopted the tones and lang. Well, the Restore
Speaker 4: Britain sort of launch thing was Rupert Lowe wandering around
Speaker 4: a farmyard. Yes, yes, and a lot of their sort
Speaker 4: of zoomer online commentators. I think they all go to
Speaker 4: New Forest Clothing to go and buy the cheap tweed, yeah,
Speaker 4: for their things, but they're sort of there is a
Speaker 4: they are wearing the skin suit of British rural traditions
Speaker 4: to separate themselves from the urban thing, which is almost
Speaker 4: becoming sort of a race divide, which is a very
Speaker 4: so it's a very I talked to a lot of
Speaker 4: sort of rural commentator friends. That's a wenky thing to say,
Speaker 4: but we do have quite a few people who who's
Speaker 4: sort of you know, their job is to commentate on
Speaker 4: rural matters in our friend group, and it's becoming a
Speaker 4: very very interesting thing to watch.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: If you say I like rural things, how like traditional
Speaker 4: rural things, Well you must be one of these Britain
Speaker 4: first races. Yeah, it's a strange sort of overlap, and
Speaker 4: it's the when you go out with the actual communists
Speaker 4: who really do like nature, you see that actually they
Speaker 4: make up a lot of the local ecological record keepers
Speaker 4: or of the plant life type botan ay surveys and
Speaker 4: things like that. You know, there's a guy who comes
Speaker 4: around one of there our woodlands who is He does
Speaker 4: the polypod surveys and the sort of ferns and things
Speaker 4: like that, and he is the original right to Rome
Speaker 4: because he'll just walk in a straight line across everyone's land,
Speaker 4: surveying while smoking a rollie the whole time. But he
Speaker 4: knows everything about ferns and he's great and you cannot
Speaker 4: dissuade him from coming up onto your land. But he
Speaker 4: also is responsible for the record keeping of these quite
Speaker 4: rare and interesting species. So it's a very weird political
Speaker 4: landscape you get into when you get into people who
Speaker 4: really care about nature, because it often overlaps with so
Speaker 4: many other things.
Speaker 3: The traditions, So nature is a much broader category than
Speaker 3: like just rural traditions. You feel like a lot of
Speaker 3: those people that want to keep rural traditions are sort
Speaker 3: of the people that are fighting against any kind of
Speaker 3: progressive nature, so that politically that aligns them usually with
Speaker 3: I don't like change anything that's going to change from
Speaker 3: you know, nineteen sixty onwards. I'm not doing it. So
Speaker 3: you get that. But nature, I think, I mean everybody
Speaker 3: should love nature, right.
Speaker 1: If you think about it, we had the steepest decline
Speaker 1: in our biodiversity from nineteen seventy to the present day.
Speaker 1: So in a way, if you've got you know, my
Speaker 1: my enemy's friend is my friend that one there. I
Speaker 1: think there is an interesting joined up bit of thinking
Speaker 1: here is that you may well get the people who
Speaker 1: want the village Green Preservation Society and your communist fern
Speaker 1: aficionado would be exactly the people who joined together last weekend.
Speaker 1: I mean, put it this way. Get this. So I
Speaker 1: was invited to go and talk at one particular event
Speaker 1: to Oldham in Essex, and in a piece in the
Speaker 1: Telegraph about this, the protests were backed by Chris Packham.
Speaker 1: So therefore you have got me and Packham on the
Speaker 1: same page completely about an issue.
Speaker 4: And it's not a paper of viewer events.
Speaker 1: Isn't it bizarre? You know, me and Packham on exactly
Speaker 1: the same page. But our differences are is that he's
Speaker 1: wandering hand in hand with your communist roll up smoking
Speaker 1: fern fanatic and I'm with the Village Green Preservation Society
Speaker 1: people saying you cannot just build all over this vital
Speaker 1: farmland because farmland can and should be a nature rich
Speaker 1: environment too. So we're coming at the same issue from
Speaker 1: different angles. And it's bizarre, is that, you know, if
Speaker 1: you we always end up talking about politics on this podcast.
Speaker 1: It's very funny. But the one thing you can say do.
Speaker 4: Make Callum uncomfortable?
Speaker 1: Yeah, The one thing you can say that Starmer has
Speaker 1: actually done under his is he has bought disparate groups
Speaker 1: together from across the country with different political motives, but
Speaker 1: they find a common purpose in despising every fiber of
Speaker 1: him and his stinking cabow. So well done, SKA brilliant,
Speaker 1: But I've got a poly.
Speaker 4: Market bet on when he's being kicked out for definitely
Speaker 4: not knowing about things that is definitely briefed about but
Speaker 4: didn't know about.
Speaker 1: Tell what it is quite funny height speaking of this
Speaker 1: talking about Grand old Jukes York.
Speaker 4: Right, we've got where is this go?
Speaker 1: No, no, right, We've got we've got the local elections
Speaker 1: coming up May the seventh, and the Greens around here
Speaker 1: being out in force, and they've got a local a
Speaker 1: local candidate for our ward here is a guy called
Speaker 1: Andrew Ward war Boys. But because the Greens are so
Speaker 1: right on, they wouldn't possibly say vote Andrew war Boys.
Speaker 1: They've just got vote Andrew and some platitude underneath.
Speaker 4: Oh that's got called that's call me Tony vibes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's got to call me Tony vibes. Well, Claire
Speaker 1: and I came out this thing saying, wouldn't it be
Speaker 1: funny if we got a load of stickers made up
Speaker 1: and it said support Andrew that's what it's got. If
Speaker 1: we got a little stickers with prints really and just
Speaker 1: stuck them on all the people who had put these
Speaker 1: things support Prince Andrew outside their houses. But then we thought, no,
Speaker 1: actually shouldn't do that because it's not very democratic. But
Speaker 1: it would be quite funny, is that? You know, you
Speaker 1: could always think Prince Andrew has probably sat in his
Speaker 1: hovel in Sandringham feeling all unloved and all alone, and
Speaker 1: then we could send him some pictures say don't worry
Speaker 1: in rural Suffolk. Her behind you, sir, Sorryunt Matt and
Speaker 1: windsor they're behind you. Yeah. See see see what if
Speaker 1: he rises to the bait and he actually does the
Speaker 1: sort of an unofficial state visit to Finishingham and Westhorpe.
Speaker 4: So before we influence any more geopolitics, because you know,
Speaker 4: there's been quite a bit over the last month and
Speaker 4: it's getting quite expensive, can I'd like to just say
Speaker 4: some thank you. Yes, not to either of you, because no,
Speaker 4: but I would like to say thank you to everyone
Speaker 4: who's sent me sort of very nice I hope you
Speaker 4: get well soon type wishes and sharing their stories and
Speaker 4: those of you who sort of discovered that because the
Speaker 4: NHS can't apply dressings properly, I nearly died of sepsis
Speaker 4: at some point in the next which is why it
Speaker 4: wasn't around last week. But I want to say particular
Speaker 4: thank you to the forestry people because Nick, Jonathan, Matthew
Speaker 4: other Jonathan you have to work out which ones which
Speaker 4: and a few of the other people sort of they've
Speaker 4: been very supportive because everyone's had an injury of some
Speaker 4: type on the job and that's been something very interesting
Speaker 4: because it is because estries is bloody dangery just for listeners.
Speaker 1: They're on the job of forestry that is not on
Speaker 1: the job. Yes, sorry, well.
Speaker 4: You know sometimes that's hope, Yeah, burn tickets and all that.
Speaker 4: The there's also a thing of sort of finding out
Speaker 4: how the accident happened, you know, and sort of going
Speaker 4: because you don't want to you don't want to have
Speaker 4: done something stupid, but you worried that you might have
Speaker 4: done if you take pride in using a tool or
Speaker 4: doing something. And Nick Adams of previous repeated guests on
Speaker 4: here and turns out to actually be quite a good
Speaker 4: writer as well, who knew is has been very good
Speaker 4: in going through that. So we went through it all
Speaker 4: step by step. Anyway, Oh that's what you did. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: it's nothing so he Weirdly that meant more to me
Speaker 4: than sort of, you know, getting a nice new plate
Speaker 4: on my leg and things like that. So I'd like
Speaker 4: to say a very public thank you to all the
Speaker 4: very nice forestry people because you have been in incredibly supportive.
Speaker 2: Most insidant analysis. Yeah, from the man the legend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and apparently I'm not allowed to go when I
Speaker 4: can walk again, to go and unload a shotgun into
Speaker 4: the tree. Apparently that's not really. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I've got to go and forgive it instead, Ye.
Speaker 2: Slayer Lorax.
Speaker 3: I think the only way you get over this slayer Lorax,
Speaker 3: the Lorax, he speaks of the trees.
Speaker 1: Doctor Seuss, I'll read you it one day, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just do it as a voice note. That would be nice,
Speaker 1: wouldn't it. Imagine what Claire's expression would be if you
Speaker 1: say what you're doing on this? In the calum reading me,
Speaker 1: Dr Seuss.
Speaker 3: My son always picks when it's type of bed. He
Speaker 3: picks solid Salou, which is a long, whole fread. Most
Speaker 3: of them are, you know, I can deal with I
Speaker 3: can deal with green eggs and ham. You know it's
Speaker 3: a five minute, done and dusted the the His solid
Speaker 3: salis chunky read.
Speaker 4: That's so. My friend Terry in the United States, who
Speaker 4: I do some work with occasionally, he for some reason
Speaker 4: demanded that I got drunk one night and recorded a
Speaker 4: reading of Go the fuck to Sleep the children's book
Speaker 4: in so I did it in my very best low
Speaker 4: tone and that sort of he passed around most of
Speaker 4: his friends in the town. And then the next year
Speaker 4: there was an even weirder request which was for Amy
Speaker 4: to record several sort of words which were going to
Speaker 4: become You know, when you've got a walkie talking in a
Speaker 4: radio and you change channel, it says one two. Well,
Speaker 4: there's a police department in Indianason where where Amy's voice
Speaker 4: is actually the voice of all the channel names.
Speaker 1: How wonderful for a for a farm in Ireland, you know,
Speaker 1: And I'm saying, and don't forget it's absolutely wonderful taste
Speaker 1: of old fashioned Irish hospitality. That's going to really wind
Speaker 1: up the Republican as well, isn't it telling me today?
Speaker 1: You know, I actually actually had.
Speaker 3: I actually put a comedy Chinese accent on it, and
Speaker 3: I actually narrate all Bluetooth speakers come through Ali Express,
Speaker 3: that's me.
Speaker 2: That was me.
Speaker 3: It was a cheap gig. I picked it up on
Speaker 3: on fiver So if ever you hear a Bluetooth device
Speaker 3: is ready to be paired.
Speaker 4: That was me, right, I think it's after after showtime
Speaker 4: now I'm judging by the fact that produce Amy in
Speaker 4: the chapters said after show after show, after show, after
Speaker 4: show for after.
Speaker 1: Show, Well, anyway, isn't it lovely to have Richard back?
Speaker 1: And good night everybody?
Speaker 3: And nuts?
Speaker 1: Oh what else