1 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: What is up, fella, Siko's I Am Dana Valley coming 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,320 at you with more, Jansen of the NBA Podcast, fame 3 00:00:12,439 --> 00:00:16,239 of yahoo'spoorts, fame of HBO, Max Fame, and of course 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,760 only fans, notoriety folks. Our trade deadline primers continue to 5 00:00:21,879 --> 00:00:24,079 be churned out, so make sure you're subscribing. You can 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,519 check out the playlist we have. There's threads on social 7 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:28,079 media where you can find them all and do us 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,559 a favor recommend both Hardware Knocks and the NBA Podcast 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,600 to all your friends', family, acquaintances, and random people that 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,520 you just happen to see on the street or interact 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,759 with on social media. We appreciate all of those shout 12 00:00:38,759 --> 00:00:43,159 outs and support. We are on to one the Miami 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,600 Heat more. Before we get started, though, how the heck 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:47,039 are you doing? 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,359 Speaker 2: Yeah? Doing well? Doing well? These trade deadline primers are 16 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:55,079 always a good way to touch base with the team 17 00:00:55,159 --> 00:00:57,759 and like figure out where they are. It's you know, 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,719 I have this thing where if I'm having a day Dan, 19 00:01:00,759 --> 00:01:02,520 where I can't really figure out how I'm doing, I 20 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,840 always say, let me put a finger in the ground. 21 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,200 That's the saying we have over here. So like touch 22 00:01:08,239 --> 00:01:11,120 base was myself. Figure out how am I doing? This 23 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:14,319 is the equivalent of figuring out how NBA teams are doing, 24 00:01:14,599 --> 00:01:17,760 And for the Heat specifically, I would love to find 25 00:01:17,799 --> 00:01:22,400 out how they're doing because I am conflicted, sir, very conflicted. 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: All I heard as part of that is you're touching yourself. 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,079 So that's the thing that. 28 00:01:27,239 --> 00:01:29,719 Speaker 2: Is That is not true, but well, at least not 29 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,719 in that scenario. That is. That's yes. 30 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:35,519 Speaker 1: Let's dig into the Miami Heats trade deadline vitals. So 31 00:01:35,879 --> 00:01:39,040 they are going. They are currently one point six million 32 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,480 dollars beneath the tax. They can trade up to two 33 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,519 first round picks, conditional picks in twenty nine and thirty one, 34 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,120 or just trade twenty thirty and twenty thirty two. Notably, 35 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:52,239 Charlotte owns their twenty twenty seven draft pick. It is 36 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:55,519 lottery protected and then unprotected in twenty twenty eight. They 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,680 have a smattering more a smattering of trade exception seven 38 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:01,879 point eight million dollars left over from the Jimmy Butler 39 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,120 trade three point one million dollars from Josh Richardson. Both 40 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:08,960 of those expire the day after the trade deadline, so 41 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:11,199 on the trade deadline they have a sixteen point eight 42 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,199 million dollar trade exception from Duncan Robinson that expires July seventh, 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,479 and a five point six million dollar trade exception from 44 00:02:18,599 --> 00:02:24,439 Hayward high Smith that expires August seventeenth. I too, am 45 00:02:24,479 --> 00:02:28,199 fascinated by the Miami Heat, and I think for me 46 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:33,080 it kind of starts here. Are they buyers or sellers 47 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:33,319 for you? 48 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: Yes, that is the official answer. I happ Look, I've 49 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,039 called a bunch of their games this year, and this 50 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,439 is a team that's so difficult to get a read 51 00:02:44,479 --> 00:02:49,439 on because frankly, the Khalil where bamaa bio fit, is 52 00:02:50,039 --> 00:02:54,439 not that potent, and so you're kind of looking at 53 00:02:54,599 --> 00:02:58,120 that situations as sort of like the symbolic of the 54 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,960 entire roster construction. Do you go with the now or 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,400 do you go with the future, because Bam is the current. 56 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,520 He's like their primary big man star, you know, the 57 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,879 same with with Tyler Hero as his you know, running mate. 58 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:14,639 But then you have all these guys who are just 59 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,879 like Haimi Hakis Junior is having a wonderful season, Kila 60 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:20,560 Ware is having a great season, Pela Larson is having 61 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:27,439 a good season, Nikolajovich is is having a seasons, is 62 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,400 kas barishak showness is finally healthy. It's begunning to begun playing. 63 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,039 Like there's just there's something to be said about, you know, 64 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,439 the quote unquote youth movement in Miami that is at 65 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,240 least more intriguing now than it was a year ago. 66 00:03:43,719 --> 00:03:45,719 So like, where do you go from here? Do you 67 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:51,240 pivot into the current with Hero Bam, Norman Powell, Andrew Wiggins, 68 00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:55,280 or do you say, look, this is an excellent opportunity 69 00:03:55,759 --> 00:03:59,800 to maybe recalibrate our cap sheet and take a step 70 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,360 back and let the young players develop to see if 71 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,080 we actually have something that we can go into the 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,400 summer with with some momentum and maybe find someone who's 73 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:12,599 more ache appropriate. Did you join this rank? Yeah, to 74 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,279 join this rank of players. So the answer to the 75 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,959 answer to your question is just yes, Yes, there's there's 76 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,720 no set formula. I think they're open to both things, honestly. 77 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: I so I would push back a little bit on 78 00:04:26,879 --> 00:04:31,040 the idea that they are actively open to both things, 79 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:33,319 even though they should be. I just don't think that. 80 00:04:33,879 --> 00:04:37,439 I think I'd be shocked if the Heat said hey, 81 00:04:37,519 --> 00:04:40,319 let's strip it down and kind of start a new 82 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,279 and rebuild around. I guess the question is who Khalil 83 00:04:43,319 --> 00:04:47,160 ware and dudes like, who do you trust is being 84 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:49,199 a part of the long term core is a question 85 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,800 they need to answer to Just echo your point on 86 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,480 the Khalil whare bam out of bio minutes nineteen percentile 87 00:04:55,639 --> 00:05:01,720 in offensive efficiency Bam, just man. His two point efficiency 88 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,959 has struggled compared to with kohlier wear on the court. 89 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,680 I also think that it's cool that he's kind of 90 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,120 a floor spacing big now, but he's like he doesn't 91 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,560 shoot threes well enough to have so many of his 92 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:17,720 threes like come with like what are they at? Like 93 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,600 almost thirty percent of his shots are coming from beyond 94 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:23,680 the arc this year. I'm I don't know what to 95 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,199 make of this team, but I think that I like 96 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,920 a lot of the talent you're listing it off. I 97 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:29,800 still really like Tyler Hero. And by the way, this 98 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:31,800 is this might date it in case this doesn't come 99 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,600 out by the time a trade is made. I would 100 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,720 prefer to have Tyler Hero on my team than John Moran. 101 00:05:36,759 --> 00:05:39,519 I'm not even talking just functionally speaking, it's he's easier 102 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,959 to fit into a larger ecosystem. But what I think 103 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,720 Miami really needs to answer first is how good of 104 00:05:46,759 --> 00:05:50,600 a player do they need if they want to enter 105 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:54,920 contention or beyond the fringes of contention, because look, they 106 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,319 caught some teams off guard earlier in the season. Even 107 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:00,399 if you watch their offense now, it's really fun and 108 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:04,000 that's including they've incorporated more ball screens lately. But it's 109 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,079 not good anymore. They're in the bottom ten of offensive 110 00:06:07,079 --> 00:06:11,439 efficiency as we're recording this. So if you're sitting here 111 00:06:11,439 --> 00:06:14,519 as the Miami heat more, what is the I don't 112 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:17,000 need a name of a player, but what is like 113 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,920 do they need? I guess the question is do they 114 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,439 need a best player? Is that what they need if 115 00:06:21,439 --> 00:06:23,600 they're looking to okay, just a question of the yell. 116 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,199 Speaker 2: Absolutely, they need a best player. And I'll even give 117 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,279 you a name because they traded his ass last year. 118 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,920 They need a Jimmy Butler type player someone no, but 119 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:35,439 I mean when I'm saying Jimmy Butler type player, I'm 120 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:40,079 talking about someone who is, you know, probably in the 121 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,000 top ten in terms of the playoffs, right like playoff 122 00:06:43,079 --> 00:06:45,519 Jimmy was certainly a top ten player. Regular season Jimmy 123 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,040 not so much. But they need someone off that ilk 124 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,920 like their best player right now? Is it a fair question, 125 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:55,040 by the way, like who is their best player? Is 126 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:56,480 it Bam wars a Norman Powell. 127 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: It hasn't been banned this season, it's just right, I 128 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:01,360 mean the factor in the defense. Maybe it's a discussion 129 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:05,000 because he's still really good there, but just this is 130 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:07,279 not And look, they've to be fair. Doesn't it feel 131 00:07:07,319 --> 00:07:12,240 like they've turned over his offensive role like eighty times 132 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,120 since he's been there, where they're just asking him to 133 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,120 do all these different things and now it's you want 134 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:17,759 him to be more of a space guy or an 135 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,920 attack like he's not someone for a big man. The 136 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:24,000 handle is fine, but like you're not asking Bam to 137 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:26,759 just like face up and like run, like attack from 138 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,560 the top and have to get by, Like that's not 139 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:31,079 BAM's game. And it felt like they've needed him to 140 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:32,720 do more of that. They've gotten away from some of it, 141 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:35,519 I feel like over the past few weeks. But I 142 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,560 don't know if this offensive system is actually built to 143 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,079 optimize him. It seems that they do need to go 144 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:44,759 maybe a more traditionalist route of we have a primary 145 00:07:44,759 --> 00:07:46,720 ball handler who can see other guys up. I would 146 00:07:46,759 --> 00:07:48,519 just like to reiterate, I do not think that that 147 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,680 player's jump right right. 148 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's a weird scene because then you have 149 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,160 doubt Davian Mitchell running the point doing well in terms 150 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:01,079 of like moving the ball, low turnover, hitting the three 151 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,920 ball well, but everything is low volume. He's not one 152 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,480 to just break you down off the dribble, get into 153 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,399 the teeth of the defense and make plays. So like 154 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,720 he's a he's a very different caliber of point guard. 155 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:17,040 You don't have the playmaking in Norman Powell. He is 156 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:20,680 straight up a bucket getter and nothing much else, which, frankly, 157 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:22,639 we need more of those guys in the league, not 158 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,759 just bucket getters, but like guys who just know their 159 00:08:24,839 --> 00:08:27,759 role and it's like, I'm not playing outside of the 160 00:08:27,759 --> 00:08:30,720 means of who I am. Norman Powell understands who the 161 00:08:30,759 --> 00:08:32,720 fuck he is, and I love it, like he's just 162 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:37,559 playing with ridiculously well inside the box, that is Norman Powell. 163 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,440 But the additionally, Yeah. 164 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,639 Speaker 1: To his credit, I do think that over the past 165 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,600 two years or so, he's gotten better at moving the 166 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:47,879 ball out of his drive. 167 00:08:47,759 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: Right, But that's within the box. What I'm saying is 168 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,559 he never he never like crosses the boundaries. Like if 169 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,600 he's gotten better at something that's within his frame, he 170 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:01,320 never plays outside of it, Like he doesn't experiment without 171 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,000 knowing that. Hey, you know what, I actually have a 172 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,360 pretty good hang of this. He's just so fundamentally sound 173 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,360 that I'm crazy about it. But the fact that he's 174 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:12,399 not a primary play initiator, the fact that he's not 175 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,120 someone who you know, can set guys up consistently, so 176 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:19,279 that is going to hinder that offense to a certain extent. 177 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,879 It's also not Tyler Hero despite the fact we saw 178 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,120 last year that he got better as a playmaker this 179 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,039 year because of you know, the equal opportunity offense they 180 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,919 have going more or less, he's not leaned into the playmaking. 181 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,799 He's also just played ten games, so yes, yeah, yeah, exactly. 182 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,399 So you know it's they need someone who can come 183 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,080 in and balance scoring and playmaking. I feel it, like, 184 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,799 and I don't know who the player is. If they 185 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,840 try to sell me on John Moran, I'm not buying, 186 00:09:49,799 --> 00:09:53,440 but but they you know, a different caliber of name. 187 00:09:53,639 --> 00:09:57,440 Just to prove my point is like a healthy Kyrie Irving, 188 00:09:57,639 --> 00:10:00,879 like someone of that ilk, someone who can just go 189 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,559 in and take over when necessary, be that scoring department, 190 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:06,960 or be that as a playmaker. 191 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: Kyrie would be if he was healthy, Kyrie would be 192 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,159 interesting for sure. I guess to the heat you could say, 193 00:10:14,159 --> 00:10:16,480 we'll hope that he gets healthy next season. What about 194 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,600 especially because of the way that they play, and I'm 195 00:10:19,639 --> 00:10:21,519 looking at it through the lens of it. If I'm Miami, 196 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,759 my first call is about Giannis. That's the guy that 197 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,320 they are among the teams that have been holding, like 198 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,440 specifically holding out for. But if it's not going to 199 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,799 be honest, what about and I'm just assuming this would 200 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:35,320 cost you minimal assets? What about Zion Williamson here? 201 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not personally a Scion guy. I think 202 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,759 he comes with a lot of limitations. So it's what 203 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:49,519 you're really asking me, is is he good enough to 204 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,240 be the primary guy on its team. 205 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,519 Speaker 1: I think I view it more as a stop gap situation, 206 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,039 because it's if I can get Ian Williamson without giving 207 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,960 up a first round pick, then it's all right. We're 208 00:11:04,039 --> 00:11:07,000 kind of straddling that line between you figure out the 209 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:08,840 spacing later with him and with him I mean in 210 00:11:08,919 --> 00:11:11,279 Bama's spasing the like he does space in terms of 211 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,759 taking threes, now I would absolutely take a swing. 212 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: Okay, so you're just adding him to a bunch of 213 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,519 the guys. You're not like giving up the farm for him? 214 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:22,799 Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, No, that's not I mean in terms of 215 00:11:22,879 --> 00:11:27,080 if we're talking about players that could maybe have a 216 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,080 pathway to becoming available that I that you give up 217 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,600 the farm for for Miami specifically. 218 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: What's the deal? Now, sell me on the deal, because like, 219 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,480 if you're adding him to the correct player so to speak, 220 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,639 in Miami, I might buy into your logic. So who's 221 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,360 who's what's the outgoing package? 222 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:45,879 Speaker 1: So you just building around Terry Rose your salary and 223 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:47,159 then you fill it out from there. 224 00:11:47,159 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: So you're gonna allowed to. 225 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,799 Speaker 1: Assuming if you're not allowed to, then I'm not giving 226 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:55,360 up Tyler Hero or I'm probably not even giving up 227 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:58,000 Andrew wi Ah, But I give up Andrew Wiggins for 228 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,720 Zion Williamson. I don't, No, probably not at this point. Again, 229 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,120 it's supposed to be more of an opportunistic play, but 230 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:07,200 I might consider it. But if you could do something 231 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:11,039 terror Rosier Simoni font Techio and then you'd like light 232 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,159 compensation from there, I'm looking at it if I'm Miami 233 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,639 especially and you know what we just before we hopped 234 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,080 down here, we were talking about the pacers. Bette mcmathern 235 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,679 is someone who might not need a ball scream to operate, 236 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:27,559 would be an interesting fit in Miami. Now, is he 237 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:31,600 too duplicative with Tyler hero Norman Powell? They all play 238 00:12:31,639 --> 00:12:34,120 different styles of games, but none of them are giving 239 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,039 you the playmaking right. 240 00:12:36,159 --> 00:12:40,799 Speaker 2: All three are very much shooting guards, not really guys. 241 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:46,240 You can move around positionally. Yes, Matherin probably a little bit, 242 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:46,759 but you're right. 243 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,799 Speaker 1: And it's also Tyler Heroes by far and away the 244 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,799 best playmaker out of out of that group still. 245 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: So Tero Sheer, Simon Fon Techio And what's some draft 246 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,600 compensation or maybe Kasparas Jakuchionis or something for a young guys. 247 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when we talk about passing Yakachonas, I 248 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:07,240 could see being becoming a really good play and he 249 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,480 just he will attempt some just like ball face, like 250 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:11,879 daring passes. I love it. 251 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:13,519 Speaker 2: Oh, but he's fearless. 252 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,039 Speaker 1: If it gets me Zion, I might, I might just look, 253 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,000 you put him in the heats culture and you know 254 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,679 health program, like maybe he's just all of a sudden 255 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:25,960 durable who knows. 256 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:29,919 Speaker 2: All right, sort of like from strictly a basketball perspective, 257 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:32,320 I don't hate that because what you're really doing is 258 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:38,759 just replacing Simony Vantecchio and Gaspar Jaco chonas would sign Williamson. 259 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,720 That that should be a net positive, right, If that's 260 00:13:42,799 --> 00:13:46,720 the compensation level, yes, let's have a good discussion. If 261 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:49,600 it's like BAM or something along those lines where you 262 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:53,960 start that, that would be tricky for me. If you're 263 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,120 talking about Zion and BAM together, No, I mean you're 264 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,080 s trading. If you're trading BAM for Zion, that would be. 265 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: No, you can't. That's no, don't. I don't know why. 266 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,879 Speaker 2: Exactly that yeah, exactly, But that'd be interesting, Like that's 267 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,559 that's the type of stopgap situation I would find intriguing 268 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:16,159 because again I don't think you have the star so 269 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:18,600 to speak, because I don't view Sion as the star. 270 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,240 But at least you have a collective talent level that 271 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:28,559 is insanely high like Bam, Tyler, Hero, Andrew Wickens, Norman Powell, Sion, Williamson, 272 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,440 kiltle Ware, Jimi Hakis Junior. Are you kidding me? That's 273 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:37,600 the talent level? There is ridiculous. So I would roll 274 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:38,360 the dice on that. 275 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,519 Speaker 1: Sure, in terms of thinking either close to all in 276 00:14:42,679 --> 00:14:46,519 or I guess all in adjacent, LaMelo ball would be 277 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:49,559 semi interesting for this team. Certainly upgrades the passing. But 278 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,120 I know how you feel about LaMelo ball. 279 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a fan. Also, the lack of availability 280 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,360 remains a concern for me. 281 00:14:58,159 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: I'm just assuming everyone who goes the Heat is immediately 282 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:02,960 sixty seven percent more available. 283 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: So okay, in fairness to LaMelo, that does change my 284 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:10,320 outlook on it, because I'm a big part of that. No, 285 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,159 I've always been fair. I mean, one of the things 286 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,159 that I've said about one thing is I don't like 287 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,240 his game. I'm not gonna change my opinion on that. 288 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,919 But it's also a problem that you're not available when 289 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:24,279 you're a guy counted on to be the focal point 290 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:28,039 of the offense, like you need to play more. Like 291 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,639 over the last two three years, forty six games, twenty 292 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:35,320 two games, forty seven games. That's just not good enough. 293 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,600 Like if you come into the Heat and you're playing 294 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,240 what two thirds of games available? All right, now we're talking. Now, 295 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,639 we're at least I see the vision. He'll need to 296 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:48,159 turn down some of the dumbest shots that he's taking, 297 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,759 and he needs to play more of a discipline brand 298 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:54,720 of basketball. But like high coach BO, I mean, that's 299 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:57,759 probably one guy where I would trust that he can 300 00:15:57,799 --> 00:15:58,200 fix that. 301 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,879 Speaker 1: This is just I don't think he really. I mean, 302 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:04,120 he might upgrade some things. But if it's another Terry 303 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:08,080 Rozier fill it out situation, no draft pick, no first 304 00:16:08,159 --> 00:16:12,480 round picks. Manuel Quickly, I mean I still like Quickly, 305 00:16:12,519 --> 00:16:15,240 I might be just so. I mean, I don't hate Quickly. 306 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,080 It's just that contract is not like the Raptors are 307 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,279 actively trying to move him in Yaka Purtle and not 308 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,279 getting any takers at the moment. 309 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: I might have to take the l there because I 310 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,399 mean I had quickly pegged as a future All Star. 311 00:16:28,519 --> 00:16:29,600 I thought he'd get there. 312 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,559 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, you were one of those that Nick 313 00:16:31,639 --> 00:16:34,279 traded the best player in the Ojan No. 314 00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: No, I I think maybe I don't remember if I 315 00:16:38,519 --> 00:16:40,480 said that. Yeah, I don't remember. 316 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,919 Speaker 1: If I do remember that was going around though, right 317 00:16:43,039 --> 00:16:43,200 I do. 318 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: Yet, Yes, I do remember being very very high on 319 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,240 Quickly though, to the point where I was like, this 320 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:52,799 guy's going to be an All Star and that has 321 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:56,320 just not materialized. Granted, I don't think it helps that 322 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,480 he's playing with three wings that all need to all 323 00:16:58,519 --> 00:17:00,600 needs the ball in their hands, so that it's like 324 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:02,960 that's one thing. But I'm also not going to excuse 325 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,680 it because he should have ample opportunity to assert himself. 326 00:17:06,279 --> 00:17:08,920 It would be interesting for him to land in Miami, 327 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,599 but I think you kind of nailed it with your 328 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,880 terrot sheer point, like there is a risk of quickly 329 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,480 just flaming out in that system. No pun intended. 330 00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: This is more of an off season thing, probably, but 331 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:25,880 just as an exercise. Would Darius Garland do it for you? 332 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: Yes? I mean Garland to me is because of the 333 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:34,720 injuries right now, he's become totally forgotten. Like I think 334 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:38,880 there's so much more to him than people seem to recognize. 335 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,440 Because again, this is a league where let's be real fans, 336 00:17:43,759 --> 00:17:46,240 media puntits, whoever, it's it's what have you done for 337 00:17:46,279 --> 00:17:47,680 me lately? Type of lead. 338 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: Well, but if it's that type of a league, by 339 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,200 the way, what has he done for you lately? He's 340 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,519 averaged twenty points and seven assists while knocking down forty 341 00:17:54,519 --> 00:17:57,039 two percent of his threes and over fifty percent, So 342 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:57,880 there you go. 343 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: Right, But I yeah, he's super good. I think he's 344 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:06,759 so much better than we remember because those is the 345 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:09,519 big toe. It was a toe thing, right if memory 346 00:18:09,519 --> 00:18:13,720 serves yep. Yeah, that's just that is such a bitch 347 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,920 of an injury because Shaq had it for a long time. 348 00:18:16,319 --> 00:18:19,519 That hindered him a great deal. Like I know, there 349 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:23,000 is like an entire foot in terms of like high 350 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:28,640 difference and like two hundred pounds difference as well. But like, man, 351 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,240 it's Garland is good. He's very very good him in 352 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:35,559 Miami to run the whole show. I would love that, 353 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,279 absolutely love that. That's a guy like because he doesn't 354 00:18:40,279 --> 00:18:44,119 come with spacing issues. He's bendable off the ball, He's 355 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,440 extremely efficient to the foul line. He's a playmaker. He 356 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:52,400 doesn't have like egregious turnover issues, at least not anymore. 357 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,480 He did have it like early in his career, but 358 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:58,160 not to the same extent anymore. He's insanely productive per minute. 359 00:18:58,519 --> 00:19:01,599 He can weave himself into the fabriak of an offense. 360 00:19:02,039 --> 00:19:05,920 I am still a major Garland fan. If you got 361 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,039 him in Miami in that system, oh my god, if 362 00:19:10,079 --> 00:19:12,480 you could get him by on a by Low even like, 363 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,720 what's the when you say no. 364 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: I didn't say by Low for him. I said it 365 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,079 was more. I think this is the one where it's 366 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,160 you every you can trade two draft picks. Those are 367 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,319 gone right as part of it just I don't even know, okay, 368 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,359 and then it so that removes you out of potentially 369 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,720 spicier conversations. But I like him enough to where if 370 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,079 I was Miami, I would probably do it. Although well 371 00:19:35,079 --> 00:19:37,039 you could also say, is if the Calves flame out 372 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,039 this year, does Donovan Mitchell become available over the summer? 373 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,039 There's that age gap. Garland's twenty five? What is Mitchell 374 00:19:44,039 --> 00:19:45,599 twenty nine? 375 00:19:45,839 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: Gard Yeah, Gardland's about to turn twenty six in twelve days, 376 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,640 so he's yeah, he's still on that timeline. Donnie has been. 377 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,920 I feel rumored to the heat a couple of times, 378 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:02,359 but like, okay, name me a star who hasn't. If 379 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,559 we're being honest, right, every star is John Rant's a 380 00:20:05,559 --> 00:20:06,200 perfect example. 381 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:13,799 Speaker 1: Well, I just fair enough on a lower end, just 382 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,480 someone can get downhill and spray the ball. Isaiah Collier 383 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:20,599 if Utah is saying, hey, we love Keyante George and 384 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,960 we have Walter Clayton and Bryce Senseaba there. Maybe you 385 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:24,720 look at that. 386 00:20:24,839 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 2: Is that just not a younger Davion Mitchell. 387 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:32,799 Speaker 1: That is very fair. I mean without the defense or 388 00:20:32,839 --> 00:20:41,759 the shooting at the paid no attention to me, then I, yeah, 389 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:43,400 I don't haven't. I was just trying to bounce back 390 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,039 and forth between bigger names their stop gaps. I don't 391 00:20:46,039 --> 00:20:48,440 know if they're I mean, they could be just they're 392 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,000 not even they're not I don't want to say not interesting. 393 00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:53,119 But if you're going for stop gaps because of the 394 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,119 way they play, it's just I'm not moved by what 395 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,799 if you got Trey Jones or what if you got 396 00:20:59,279 --> 00:21:02,119 Cam Spencer or I don't think Vince Williams Junior is 397 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,880 gonna give you enough of the playmaking that you're. 398 00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: But I say all here apparently, Yeah, I was. 399 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: Just throwing it out there as kind of a stab 400 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,039 in the dark, like if I don't know what utah 401 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:11,519 and well, if it's a first round pick, no you 402 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:12,119 hang up that. 403 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: Next up you're gonna suggest Frankie smokes that this is 404 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:16,079 gonna be the team. 405 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: They can get him. They wouldn't ever go up any 406 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,119 assets to get him. 407 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: That's true. That is true. 408 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,279 Speaker 1: This now that's gonna bleed into because we've just established 409 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:28,559 the need for Miami is it's generally you would like 410 00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:30,559 to say it's a primary playmaker, but they need a 411 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:35,359 new best player on the team. But I just want 412 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:40,039 to ask, if you can't find anybody, do you look 413 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:42,640 at shopping Bam or is that more of an off 414 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,759 season thing? And if not, because we already said so, 415 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,559 let's veer away from what we think the Heat actually 416 00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:51,960 will do. What is BAM's value if they decide, okay, 417 00:21:52,039 --> 00:21:54,440 if we can't get a if we can't get the 418 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,960 guy now and we don't think we're gonna win the 419 00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:59,960 Yannis Sweepstakes or whatever sweepstakes are happening in the summer, 420 00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:03,880 what can you get for Bam? And is his value 421 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,279 it all impacted. I've wondered this about both him and 422 00:22:06,319 --> 00:22:10,880 Jarris Jackson Junior, of those non top ten or definitive 423 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:16,079 top fifteen players on these kind of largest deals. Very 424 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,039 I think teams would give up a shit ton for Bam. 425 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:19,720 I want to be clear, but like, what is your 426 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,599 if you had to boil it down to a number 427 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:24,359 of like first round pick slash prospects? Are we talking 428 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,720 three plus are we not there anymore? 429 00:22:26,839 --> 00:22:30,799 Speaker 2: No, No, No, I think look, I think the secret 430 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:34,920 is out, not a ban, but on the non superstar contracts, 431 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,799 the fact that his contract bumps up to forty percent 432 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:40,279 of the cap next year, so we're starting forty nine 433 00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:43,920 point eight and then fifty three point seven has a 434 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,240 player option on fifty seven point seven in twenty eight, 435 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:52,200 twenty nine. I just don't think the league out there 436 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,079 at large like, okay, look, there'll all always be one team, 437 00:22:55,079 --> 00:22:56,880 So I have to like, I can't look at it 438 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,400 from like the one team that is willing to give 439 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,640 up the farm. I can't because. 440 00:23:01,839 --> 00:23:05,599 Speaker 1: The Warriors just came in with picks, matching salary is 441 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,920 kaminga and it's like a bunch of you know, maybe 442 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:08,920 Moses Moodies in there. 443 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 2: We're like, all right, so when you say picks, you 444 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,319 and I've had this conversation before. There is such a 445 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:18,240 big disparity in just giving up a pick that is 446 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:21,000 projected to be in the twenties or a pick that's 447 00:23:21,079 --> 00:23:24,559 like projected to being the lottery. Protections matter, Like if 448 00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:29,359 we're talking about these modest draft picks where you're giving 449 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,799 up like three first but all three of them are 450 00:23:32,079 --> 00:23:34,799 sort of kind of expected to land in like the twenties. 451 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: Why would maybe you know the age of Golden State's core. Yeah, yeah, 452 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,279 are those I think you can. That's the point part 453 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:44,480 of the conversations. You have to discern the upside on 454 00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:47,519 those picks. And so Golden State has all their first 455 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,200 round picks moving forward, they have one of them is 456 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,359 traded to Washington, but it's it's top twenty protected. So 457 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,039 you could trade the spicier part of that pick and 458 00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:58,279 say you get it if it's between nineteen and twenty. Yeah, 459 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,559 if Golden State came three first round picks and pods 460 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:04,200 and is Moody in there, does it need to be there? 461 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,960 I think they could trade up the four first round picks. 462 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,440 Do they need to throw that in there? Does that? 463 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,160 I mean? 464 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't just look, I'll say 465 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,880 that immediately. I would not do it because it's if 466 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,000 it's the Warrior specifically. I was making a larger points 467 00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:21,480 about prick protection. If it's the Warrior specifically, I wouldn't 468 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:23,200 do it because of the thing you just raised, like 469 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,480 it's an old dass roster. 470 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: Oh you're second, it's the Warriors. You wouldn't do it. 471 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it. 472 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,799 Speaker 1: Honestly, I might I think I disagree with you there. 473 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:35,799 I'm not putting all four on the table, but like, 474 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:39,240 I don't know, they can trade twenty six, twenty eight 475 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,880 and twenty thirty two outright, and they can trade the 476 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,839 second half of that twenty thirty. If it's just twenty six, 477 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,599 twenty eight and twenty thirty, I might just yolo it. 478 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,839 Speaker 2: So what was the player compensation with the Draymond and Kuminga? 479 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,599 Speaker 1: No, it's not. So what is Bam Bam doesn't make 480 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,839 that much money this year? Does he? 481 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,799 Speaker 2: All right, he's only at thirty seven? My bad, he's 482 00:24:58,799 --> 00:24:59,480 at thirty seven. 483 00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:01,559 Speaker 1: So like commit inga gets you mostly there, and then 484 00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:04,519 I mean you could fill the filler, could be there's 485 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:07,440 Buddy Healed and then you're probably Moses Moody. I mean, 486 00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:11,200 now you're thinner on the wings, but you have Bam Otebaio, 487 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:14,440 Draymond Green, Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry. Yeah, and you 488 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,440 probably need to honestly, could you get there with Buddy 489 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:23,480 Healed and Al Horford? Because that's what that's fourteen. 490 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 2: Fourteen, Yeah, that's fourteen eight. 491 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:27,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that gets you there. 492 00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can. 493 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:30,759 Speaker 1: There you go, and then all the picks and then 494 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:32,359 you still have Moody and the Aan female. 495 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 2: Oh wait a second, they're over the first Apron eleven 496 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,400 million over, so they can't take a dollar back. So 497 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,200 what was it? Was it thirty seven for. 498 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: Bam is on the books this year? 499 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,599 Speaker 2: Yeah? For seven point one, okay. 500 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: And that Golden State package came to thirty eight, right, 501 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,240 unless I did my math wrong, I'm just a high 502 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,200 balling this five point seven. And then Buddy Healed is 503 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:57,000 nine point two, So that's fourteen point nine plus Kaminga 504 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,680 is at twenty two point five. 505 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,519 Speaker 2: That's forty six, right, forty six. 506 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, there you go. You throw somebody else in there. 507 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,839 And yet so you in theory, you could if you're 508 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:10,359 putting all the picks on the table, you could get 509 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:15,000 there without including Moses Moody. Maybe prefer to keep Pods 510 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:16,799 over Moody and say, you know, we'll just play we 511 00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:19,640 have GP two, we have Melton, we have pods, will 512 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,799 play that way. But as Golden State, I think I 513 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:22,960 would do it, not gonna lie. 514 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 2: I mean, if it's Golden State trying to give Steph 515 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,880 that one last chance, all right, I guess because it's 516 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,000 gonna hurt regardless when he's gone. It's just in a 517 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:39,799 nutshell in isolation. I just don't think players of BAM's ilk, 518 00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:43,279 who's like, you know, it's let me put it this way, 519 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,440 is Bam good enough to be the second best player 520 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,519 on the championship team? 521 00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: I think it could be because you're you're then presuming 522 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:57,160 that that top option is running your entire offense, which 523 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,559 is the perfect because just what Bam does to offensively 524 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,480 he can. It's different. Now can he be the number 525 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,599 two offensive option? That might be a different type of question. 526 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,680 But as the second best or second most valuable player 527 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,880 on a title team, I think that answers pretty clearly. 528 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:14,279 Speaker 2: I'd say yes, you'd say yes, so just to because 529 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,160 usually the names I would bring up are like Jannaz Jokicic, 530 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,319 those type of guys. What if the best players Luka, 531 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:24,880 just to bring up an example, would it's a Luca 532 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:28,680 Bam player, a player one, player two? Is that like 533 00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:31,039 a lineup that could win a championship or like based 534 00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:35,559 on the top two players? Yes? All right, okay, like 535 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,079 if you buy into that, sure I will go along 536 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,319 with he could be an attractive trade piece at thirty 537 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,119 percent of the cap. If you're an organization that disagrees 538 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,119 with that line of thinking, and I don't think everyone 539 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,240 would agree with you, I would be hesitant to trade 540 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:57,119 for that contract because we're seeing teams now basically saying, yeah, 541 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,960 I'm not giving up a ton for guys who are 542 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,640 you know, earning in the thirty percent mark of the 543 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:09,759 salary cap unless they're like almost tier one guys. Again, 544 00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:12,119 I'm not saying Bam is more valuable than Trey Young. 545 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,920 I think he is. There wasn't even that traffic included 546 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,079 in that trade for Trey Young. So if we're sitting 547 00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:25,680 here saying three firsts for Bam, are we being optimistic 548 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,680 about his trade value? 549 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: We could be, But I think if you're the heat, 550 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,400 you would then have to weigh does it then just 551 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,119 make more sense to hold on to him or would 552 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,440 it make more sense to move him if you risk 553 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,960 that deal becoming Does that deal get more valuable because 554 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,079 there's gonna be fewery years left on or does it 555 00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:45,599 get less valuable because he's getting older and teams are 556 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,119 going to continue to shift towards Oh, we don't know 557 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,160 how to value these guys who aren't the megastars, but 558 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,839 they're on these big deals. 559 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,559 Speaker 2: Right and so your point, and I will give you this. 560 00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:58,920 You know, he's been to the finals. He's a guy 561 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,200 you can trust in the playoff. So the amount of 562 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,240 times that he would get you into the playoffs on 563 00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:06,559 the current timeline instead of trading him in the summer, 564 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,839 like you could actually make the case for a team 565 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,440 trading him, trading for him at the trade deadline that hey, 566 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,279 you would also get him for the twenty twenty six 567 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:18,279 playoffs like right now, that would probably be an acid 568 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,160 enough itself. 569 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: I think it's a conversation with him becomes more difficult 570 00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:26,799 to have if you think a team that isn't necessarily 571 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,880 on the title contention track right now. Let's use Charlotte 572 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,480 as an example. He'd actually be a fantastic fit in Charlotte, 573 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,720 But would they give up three first round Now maybe 574 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,680 they would because they own Miamis pick next year, So 575 00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,759 there's that element of it. But what a team in 576 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:46,319 that situation give up a ton of assets for him? 577 00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:49,200 And that's probably a no to where if you were 578 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,079 talking about Jokich or Luca or Yannis, is the perfect example, 579 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:54,839 because he might actually be on the trademarket soon I 580 00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:58,200 think any almost any team, and maybe not. Maybe we're 581 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,319 even changing the way reviewing those guys who are past 582 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:03,599 thirty in their megastars and they're very relyant on their athleticism. 583 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:05,440 But BAM's not necessarily even one of those guys that's 584 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,599 gonna be relying on nuclear explosion. I think that his 585 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,839 game should should age quite well. So for for teams 586 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:15,920 that aspire to immediate title contention, if you're talking about 587 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,359 at San Antonio, Golden State, just as examples, I do 588 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,079 think that those teams you would get the equivalent of 589 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,119 at least three first round picks for him. All right, 590 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,599 So then I have, like it seemed that could be 591 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,920 fun to discuss as a sort of like testing ground 592 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,640 for that theory. The Pistons, they have their older draft picks, 593 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:42,359 they have the expiring contract of Tobias Harris, they are 594 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,599 going to have to pay Jalen during this summer, Like, 595 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,599 could you make a play for Bam now and just 596 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,839 add him to that front line and have a three 597 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,880 man like a nasty ass three man defensive lineup, not 598 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,079 not playing, not starting at the same time, but like 599 00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:03,400 a rotation. I think so Isaiah Stewart, to be fair, 600 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,039 basically makes backup money and so that's fine, But do 601 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:10,160 you think that Bam and Duran should be playing together 602 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,039 and then you also have a sar Thompson sprinkled in there? 603 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,599 Speaker 2: Spacing wise, it won't be pretty, but it's not pretty now. 604 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you're gonna that's a team 605 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,960 where I prefer them to invest in the offense rather 606 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:28,480 than triple down on the defensive setup. It's kind of 607 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,200 why it's that's an analog to why does Toronto? We 608 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:33,920 know they need a big man, but watch that big 609 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,160 man Anthony Davis to where he moves a needle where 610 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,440 they're still there? What are they seventh in points? 611 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 2: Don't don't think I agree with you. My point is 612 00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,319 think about the fact that he's a good team that 613 00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:48,640 does have picks available who needs to go all in 614 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:53,480 like so can okay, is there a better scene? Oh? 615 00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: Is there a better team? 616 00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? 617 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,839 Speaker 1: We we we know Toronto is looking for a big man. 618 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,119 Let's lose. Let's use Toronto. Then let's Toronto because they're 619 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:06,640 blinked to Anthony Davis for some strange. 620 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,559 Speaker 2: And they have all their picks too, So it's a 621 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:11,480 great example. All right, if I'm Toronto, I would. I 622 00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:13,799 mean also, but you know what the calculus with Toronto 623 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,599 is though. You know you're getting off of the quickly 624 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,720 or Peertle deal as part of that trade, so maybe 625 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,119 you just say, well, that's just going to bring up 626 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:24,279 the assets you have to give up. So if I'm Toronto, yeah, 627 00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,160 I would do it for Bam. You watch Bam and 628 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,559 Scottie Barnes just on the same team. I'm assuming Colin 629 00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:31,680 Murray Boyles is gone in that and if he's not, 630 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:38,200 holy crap. So what's the deal? It's what quickly or 631 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,279 buried as no, no. 632 00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:44,079 Speaker 1: No, that deal goes on forever he is gone. And 633 00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:46,000 then you figure out that doesn't get you all the 634 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,880 way there, so you need They don't have a ton 635 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,599 of like mid rung salaries though, dude, they don't know. 636 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,480 That's difficult. 637 00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:58,359 Speaker 2: But I I hear you that because that particular consolation 638 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,880 of talent in Toronto and the fact that they have 639 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,720 their own draft picks, the fact that they're so good 640 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:07,559 right now, that gives them the necessary runway to say, oh, yeah, 641 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:09,680 we need to go all in. And that was the 642 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:14,279 question I just used Detroit initially. Yeah, I see, I 643 00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:16,599 think that is closer to the point of a team 644 00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:20,240 that would relinquish more assets for BAM. Yes, yeah, I. 645 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,839 Speaker 1: Mean, and look, there are teams that, look, I share 646 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,000 your concern or curiosity in the sense of I don't 647 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,880 know if you're Miami. We named a couple of teams 648 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,680 that we think could give you three plus first round 649 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,240 picks or the equivalent. But would they actually And if 650 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,519 the answer is no, then what do you do Because 651 00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:39,960 do you think that his trade value is going to 652 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:43,000 improve or do you just trust that you're going to 653 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,359 find the right player to stick beside him to return 654 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:48,400 to title contention. And that's what gets super difficult. And 655 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,079 by the way, looming over all of this, which like 656 00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:53,720 we really haven't even talked about, Norman Powell is going 657 00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:55,799 to be a free agent, Tyler Hero has one year 658 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,440 left on his deal, Andrew Wiggins has a player option. 659 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,799 I like, though, if you're gonna if the Heat are 660 00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:05,400 gonna be sellers, Like those are the names you almost 661 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,880 look at first right before bad of course? 662 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I mean are they because when are they 663 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:16,679 ever really sellers? We talked about leaning into the future, 664 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,519 which I wouldn't mind if they went that route. But like, 665 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:24,360 let's say Andrew Wickins as an example, what caliber of 666 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,519 young player can you get for him? Like, I'm not 667 00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:29,360 I'm sure you can get someone who would fit the 668 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,119 younger side of Miami's rotation, But like, what is the 669 00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:38,760 best young player you can get for Angrel Wickins a vacuum? 670 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, the best young player that Jaris Walker situation. 671 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 2: I mean that's for league. I was thinking, like Jade 672 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,760 and Ivy or something. 673 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,079 Speaker 1: Okay, would you yeah, j and Ivy is preferable to 674 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,440 Jarvis Walker for sure? That's probably wow. Would the Pistons do. 675 00:34:59,719 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? 676 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably right? If anything? Is that a stretch 677 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,280 to say Jade and Ivy? 678 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,079 Speaker 2: For me? 679 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 1: It's not. I think for some people it might be 680 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:11,199 all right. 681 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,079 Speaker 2: I mean Wiggins is good. So it just comes down 682 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:18,639 to finding the right situation, and like, is that worth 683 00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:21,039 it for Miami? Is that worth it going in and 684 00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,320 getting a Jade and Ivy for example? Who needs to 685 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,760 be re upped the summer? 686 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, the you know what I had actually thought about? 687 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,159 Would you do as the heat knowing that you're trying 688 00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:34,360 to prioritize Let's let's assume Andrew Wiggs is gonna decline 689 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,280 his player option and you're more interested in preserving cap 690 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,079 space for twenty twenty seven. You want to give a 691 00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:42,519 multi year contract, do you take on Zeke Nauje from 692 00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:45,960 the Nuggets to get Cam Johnson and basically any swap 693 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,880 that they could give you. So you're getting some swaps 694 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,679 on Denver out years for Wicks plus a twenty thirty 695 00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:54,559 two second. They can also trade that if you want. 696 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:58,480 Julian Strawther be my guest. But I used Wiggins going 697 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:05,880 to to Denver despite his slow start. Am I crazy 698 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,679 for preferring Cam Johnson in that system more than Wiggins? 699 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:10,599 Speaker 2: No? 700 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: I think for the off ball stuff specifically, Like I 701 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,440 think he's gonna be a He's gonna give you more 702 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,360 diversity there than Andrew Wiggins would. Andrew Wiins probably gives 703 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,639 you a little more on ball juice, so that's your 704 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:24,400 looking more. But Peyton Wattson apparently. 705 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,599 Speaker 2: Gives you that right all of a sudden. And I 706 00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:30,559 assume Christian Brown is gonna, you know, come back to 707 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:35,000 the Earth at some point and play better. He's also 708 00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:39,039 got some on ball juice. Like it's does Wigins really 709 00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:43,800 have a a role there that is like drastically different. 710 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 1: Probably that's drastically different. I think he can do more 711 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,039 defensive leaving Cam Johnson for sure. 712 00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:52,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, agreed, agreed, agreed. 713 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,119 Speaker 1: Yes, Now I think there's probably I don't know if 714 00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:59,440 it's a more uncomfortable question, but who's do you get? 715 00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:01,880 What's the best young player you could get for Tyler Hero? 716 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:13,079 Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh, Giddy? What I. 717 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: Would trade Josh Giddy for Tyler Hero? I don't think 718 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,920 the Chicago Bulls would, no. 719 00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 2: But again, we're also approaching the Miami here from a 720 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,159 perspective of like what we would do and not what 721 00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:32,000 they would do. I guess that Giddy doesn't even fit 722 00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:34,639 half the structure of the league's teams anyway, So like, 723 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,280 I don't even know if Miami would look at him 724 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,679 as you know, a piece to the. 725 00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: Puzzle, which is I think that's what complicates the Heat situation, 726 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,280 whether they're buyers or sellers, because if you're getting your 727 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,079 next best player, I think the prevailing assumption is Tyler 728 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,079 Heroes involved in that deal. Yeah, I'm just curious what. 729 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,679 And I tend to value Tyler hero this season is 730 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,119 not a good example, but more than most people because 731 00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,079 I think that the playmaking jump was real in all 732 00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:05,480 the ways you could use him as an on ball 733 00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:09,199 or off ball spacer. To me matters. But if you're 734 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,360 going out there to get Yannis, like, what's Milwaukee's appetite for? 735 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:13,960 How are they? 736 00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:14,199 Speaker 2: Yeah? 737 00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: Okay, they might take on the money, but do they 738 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,880 view him as the equivalent of more than a first 739 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:19,519 round pick? 740 00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,159 Speaker 2: God, yeah, that's a good question. I don't know the 741 00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:29,840 answer to that. It's it's so difficult with this team. 742 00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:33,639 I mean, this is not a team that I am 743 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,199 envy about sitting in that front office trying to come 744 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,320 up with their approach to the trade deadline because the 745 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,559 trade values here are I mean all over the place, 746 00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:48,360 individually speaking, and frankly for us because of the aprons 747 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,519 and how player salaries has just shifted in terms of value, 748 00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:55,840 it is so difficult to gauge. I mean, if I 749 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,519 had told you twelve months ago the Trey Young would 750 00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:01,199 be traded for the aspiring contract of c J. McCollum 751 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,440 and Corey Kispert, I don't know what your reaction would 752 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,199 have been, but I'm guessing it wouldn't have been Oh cool, 753 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,320 makes sense. 754 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,519 Speaker 1: No, it definitely would not have been. 755 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,159 Speaker 2: That so like it. We can sit here and talk 756 00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:17,239 about like picks for Bam, we can sit here and 757 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,239 talk about Tyler Hero for Josh Gidding, we can we 758 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,840 can throw all kinds of scenarios up there. But the 759 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,840 fact of the matter is the iprints are just messing 760 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,679 up individual player trading trade value to a point where 761 00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:35,559 this is so theoretical. I just don't have any idea 762 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:39,840 of how teams around the league value these contracts, like 763 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,239 our teams perhaps even going that, like maybe some teams 764 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,800 were saying, yeah, we would love Bam, we would give 765 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,920 up multiple picks. There might be some teams were saying 766 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,559 the band contract, how many picks are you attaching like 767 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,679 they're much legitimate. I mean, I'm just saying that the 768 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,079 league has gotten really cautious because of all this. 769 00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: Two more Tyler Hero questions before he moved on, just 770 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,039 as a baseline for what would his value. But you 771 00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:05,199 mentioned Jay and Ivy before with the Pistons, what about 772 00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:09,280 a similar structure for Tyler Hero. Are they even doing that? 773 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,199 Would they give you this year's pick plus Jade and 774 00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:15,480 Ivy and then you fill out the salary with Tobias 775 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:16,599 for Tyler Hero. 776 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 2: I don't hate that. That's actually good Tyler Hero and 777 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,199 Detroit like that probably speaks into what you were saying earlier, 778 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,360 just in regards to like focusing on an offense instead. 779 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,679 That is also a better fit for kid, I think 780 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,480 than who Bammed. 781 00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:39,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the concern is and maybe it's not 782 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,960 a concern, but you know what Tyler Hero costs next season, 783 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,760 then he comes off the books, which is when Asar 784 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,880 Thompson will be we'll be talking about his new deal. 785 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,719 So it does give you some flexibility there, but you 786 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,039 do have to worry about him getting paid this season though, 787 00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:56,960 based off what Tyler Hero has done this season, the 788 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,440 availability and his play, that's probably not a deal Detroit 789 00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:02,920 is making. The other one I had thought about, is 790 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,880 it Fred van Fleet salary X to finish it, and 791 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,480 then would Houston give you They've got first round picks 792 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:17,079 to trade, maybe even Tari Easton's in there for Hero. 793 00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:19,559 Speaker 2: So that's twenty five. 794 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't none of these trades 795 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,239 to me make the Heat better. So this was more 796 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,159 of what could the Heat do if they decided to 797 00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:29,639 Either we're not necessarily trading Bam, but we're trying to 798 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,840 pick off other parts of our roster and load up 799 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,599 on first rounders. Because the moral of the story for Miami, 800 00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:39,480 I think is that I believe any big move they make, 801 00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:43,039 whether it's buying or selling, it's gonna happen this offseason. 802 00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,039 I think that this offseason is gonna be a major 803 00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:46,440 inflection point for that. 804 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 2: I mean, there's no question the Rockets get better if 805 00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:52,079 they pull off the deal that you just brought up, 806 00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:52,679 because like. 807 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: Your offense has not been great lately too. 808 00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 2: Right, you're replacing It's basically Tari Easton for Tyler Hero. 809 00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:03,199 And I love Tari Easton, but like a guy who 810 00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:06,840 comes in and is that high volume and the shooting capacity, 811 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:11,760 and yeah, I'm pulling that immediately. The thing is, though, 812 00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:14,360 would I do it if I'm. 813 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,159 Speaker 1: And you also as Houston, if Tari's involved, you still 814 00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:21,760 need another player to get to Hero's money because of 815 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,119 their Yeah, but I'm not. Look if I'm Houston, I'm 816 00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:28,320 not gonna flinch it. Yeah, we can include Quinn Cappella 817 00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:30,360 or if you have to include Dorian Finney Smith. 818 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:37,159 Speaker 2: But Easton Miami is interesting. That's interesting. That is the 819 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,679 right structure where I think he will get a ton 820 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,719 of minutes and the right role and the number one 821 00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:46,800 you know, the quickest offense in the league, like he 822 00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:51,280 was a flamethrower of a transition player at college as well. 823 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:53,800 I wouldn't hate that. 824 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,639 Speaker 1: Oh man, I just this would But he's gonna be 825 00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:58,280 a free agent and they don't have the picks to 826 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,639 make it work. If you were to move Bam, well, 827 00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:03,920 I don't know. That doesn't make it sense. I can 828 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,519 say Austin Reeves in Miami. That's more of a buye. 829 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,679 You try and keep Bam there and go get Austin 830 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,679 Reeves right right? Yeah? Do you have anything else on 831 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,159 this team, sir? It's a complicated trade deadline. If I 832 00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:18,039 had to guess to wrap it up, I think they 833 00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:21,000 buy and I think their most likely player to be 834 00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:26,880 traded is I'm gonna say Simoni Fontechio. It should be 835 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,679 Terry Rozier, but we don't know that if that's gonna 836 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:30,639 fly anyway, So. 837 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that, But no, I don't 838 00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:33,519 have anything more to add. 839 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: Can you tell our listenershe they can find you and 840 00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:36,760 all the work that you do. 841 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, you can find about work over at Yahoo 842 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,840 Sports and the NB podcast. If you understand Danish. You 843 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,599 can listen to a bus or Beaner that is my 844 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,199 Danish podcast, or you can catch from calling games something 845 00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:47,599 that's real. 846 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: Next Until next time, and as always we put the 847 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,000 shout out to the one, the only, be indelible, mister 848 00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:54,719 Frank Hila Kena