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Heat more. Before we get started, though, how the heck
are you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Doing well? Doing well? These trade deadline primers are
always a good way to touch base with the team
and like figure out where they are. It's you know,
I have this thing where if I'm having a day Dan,
where I can't really figure out how I'm doing, I
always say, let me put a finger in the ground.
That's the saying we have over here. So like touch
base was myself. Figure out how am I doing? This
is the equivalent of figuring out how NBA teams are doing,
And for the Heat specifically, I would love to find
out how they're doing because I am conflicted, sir, very conflicted.
Speaker 1: All I heard as part of that is you're touching yourself.
So that's the thing that.
Speaker 2: Is That is not true, but well, at least not
in that scenario. That is. That's yes.
Speaker 1: Let's dig into the Miami Heats trade deadline vitals. So
they are going. They are currently one point six million
dollars beneath the tax. They can trade up to two
first round picks, conditional picks in twenty nine and thirty one,
or just trade twenty thirty and twenty thirty two. Notably,
Charlotte owns their twenty twenty seven draft pick. It is
lottery protected and then unprotected in twenty twenty eight. They
have a smattering more a smattering of trade exception seven
point eight million dollars left over from the Jimmy Butler
trade three point one million dollars from Josh Richardson. Both
of those expire the day after the trade deadline, so
on the trade deadline they have a sixteen point eight
million dollar trade exception from Duncan Robinson that expires July seventh,
and a five point six million dollar trade exception from
Hayward high Smith that expires August seventeenth. I too, am
fascinated by the Miami Heat, and I think for me
it kind of starts here. Are they buyers or sellers
for you?
Speaker 2: Yes, that is the official answer. I happ Look, I've
called a bunch of their games this year, and this
is a team that's so difficult to get a read
on because frankly, the Khalil where bamaa bio fit, is
not that potent, and so you're kind of looking at
that situations as sort of like the symbolic of the
entire roster construction. Do you go with the now or
do you go with the future, because Bam is the current.
He's like their primary big man star, you know, the
same with with Tyler Hero as his you know, running mate.
But then you have all these guys who are just
like Haimi Hakis Junior is having a wonderful season, Kila
Ware is having a great season, Pela Larson is having
a good season, Nikolajovich is is having a seasons, is
kas barishak showness is finally healthy. It's begunning to begun playing.
Like there's just there's something to be said about, you know,
the quote unquote youth movement in Miami that is at
least more intriguing now than it was a year ago.
So like, where do you go from here? Do you
pivot into the current with Hero Bam, Norman Powell, Andrew Wiggins,
or do you say, look, this is an excellent opportunity
to maybe recalibrate our cap sheet and take a step
back and let the young players develop to see if
we actually have something that we can go into the
summer with with some momentum and maybe find someone who's
more ache appropriate. Did you join this rank? Yeah, to
join this rank of players. So the answer to the
answer to your question is just yes, Yes, there's there's
no set formula. I think they're open to both things, honestly.
Speaker 1: I so I would push back a little bit on
the idea that they are actively open to both things,
even though they should be. I just don't think that.
I think I'd be shocked if the Heat said hey,
let's strip it down and kind of start a new
and rebuild around. I guess the question is who Khalil
ware and dudes like, who do you trust is being
a part of the long term core is a question
they need to answer to Just echo your point on
the Khalil whare bam out of bio minutes nineteen percentile
in offensive efficiency Bam, just man. His two point efficiency
has struggled compared to with kohlier wear on the court.
I also think that it's cool that he's kind of
a floor spacing big now, but he's like he doesn't
shoot threes well enough to have so many of his
threes like come with like what are they at? Like
almost thirty percent of his shots are coming from beyond
the arc this year. I'm I don't know what to
make of this team, but I think that I like
a lot of the talent you're listing it off. I
still really like Tyler Hero. And by the way, this
is this might date it in case this doesn't come
out by the time a trade is made. I would
prefer to have Tyler Hero on my team than John Moran.
I'm not even talking just functionally speaking, it's he's easier
to fit into a larger ecosystem. But what I think
Miami really needs to answer first is how good of
a player do they need if they want to enter
contention or beyond the fringes of contention, because look, they
caught some teams off guard earlier in the season. Even
if you watch their offense now, it's really fun and
that's including they've incorporated more ball screens lately. But it's
not good anymore. They're in the bottom ten of offensive
efficiency as we're recording this. So if you're sitting here
as the Miami heat more, what is the I don't
need a name of a player, but what is like
do they need? I guess the question is do they
need a best player? Is that what they need if
they're looking to okay, just a question of the yell.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they need a best player. And I'll even give
you a name because they traded his ass last year.
They need a Jimmy Butler type player someone no, but
I mean when I'm saying Jimmy Butler type player, I'm
talking about someone who is, you know, probably in the
top ten in terms of the playoffs, right like playoff
Jimmy was certainly a top ten player. Regular season Jimmy
not so much. But they need someone off that ilk
like their best player right now? Is it a fair question,
by the way, like who is their best player? Is
it Bam wars a Norman Powell.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been banned this season, it's just right, I
mean the factor in the defense. Maybe it's a discussion
because he's still really good there, but just this is
not And look, they've to be fair. Doesn't it feel
like they've turned over his offensive role like eighty times
since he's been there, where they're just asking him to
do all these different things and now it's you want
him to be more of a space guy or an
attack like he's not someone for a big man. The
handle is fine, but like you're not asking Bam to
just like face up and like run, like attack from
the top and have to get by, Like that's not
BAM's game. And it felt like they've needed him to
do more of that. They've gotten away from some of it,
I feel like over the past few weeks. But I
don't know if this offensive system is actually built to
optimize him. It seems that they do need to go
maybe a more traditionalist route of we have a primary
ball handler who can see other guys up. I would
just like to reiterate, I do not think that that
player's jump right right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's a weird scene because then you have
doubt Davian Mitchell running the point doing well in terms
of like moving the ball, low turnover, hitting the three
ball well, but everything is low volume. He's not one
to just break you down off the dribble, get into
the teeth of the defense and make plays. So like
he's a he's a very different caliber of point guard.
You don't have the playmaking in Norman Powell. He is
straight up a bucket getter and nothing much else, which, frankly,
we need more of those guys in the league, not
just bucket getters, but like guys who just know their
role and it's like, I'm not playing outside of the
means of who I am. Norman Powell understands who the
fuck he is, and I love it, like he's just
playing with ridiculously well inside the box, that is Norman Powell.
But the additionally, Yeah.
Speaker 1: To his credit, I do think that over the past
two years or so, he's gotten better at moving the
ball out of his drive.
Speaker 2: Right, But that's within the box. What I'm saying is
he never he never like crosses the boundaries. Like if
he's gotten better at something that's within his frame, he
never plays outside of it, Like he doesn't experiment without
knowing that. Hey, you know what, I actually have a
pretty good hang of this. He's just so fundamentally sound
that I'm crazy about it. But the fact that he's
not a primary play initiator, the fact that he's not
someone who you know, can set guys up consistently, so
that is going to hinder that offense to a certain extent.
It's also not Tyler Hero despite the fact we saw
last year that he got better as a playmaker this
year because of you know, the equal opportunity offense they
have going more or less, he's not leaned into the playmaking.
He's also just played ten games, so yes, yeah, yeah, exactly.
So you know it's they need someone who can come
in and balance scoring and playmaking. I feel it, like,
and I don't know who the player is. If they
try to sell me on John Moran, I'm not buying,
but but they you know, a different caliber of name.
Just to prove my point is like a healthy Kyrie Irving,
like someone of that ilk, someone who can just go
in and take over when necessary, be that scoring department,
or be that as a playmaker.
Speaker 1: Kyrie would be if he was healthy, Kyrie would be
interesting for sure. I guess to the heat you could say,
we'll hope that he gets healthy next season. What about
especially because of the way that they play, and I'm
looking at it through the lens of it. If I'm Miami,
my first call is about Giannis. That's the guy that
they are among the teams that have been holding, like
specifically holding out for. But if it's not going to
be honest, what about and I'm just assuming this would
cost you minimal assets? What about Zion Williamson here?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not personally a Scion guy. I think
he comes with a lot of limitations. So it's what
you're really asking me, is is he good enough to
be the primary guy on its team.
Speaker 1: I think I view it more as a stop gap situation,
because it's if I can get Ian Williamson without giving
up a first round pick, then it's all right. We're
kind of straddling that line between you figure out the
spacing later with him and with him I mean in
Bama's spasing the like he does space in terms of
taking threes, now I would absolutely take a swing.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're just adding him to a bunch of
the guys. You're not like giving up the farm for him?
Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, No, that's not I mean in terms of
if we're talking about players that could maybe have a
pathway to becoming available that I that you give up
the farm for for Miami specifically.
Speaker 2: What's the deal? Now, sell me on the deal, because like,
if you're adding him to the correct player so to speak,
in Miami, I might buy into your logic. So who's
who's what's the outgoing package?
Speaker 1: So you just building around Terry Rose your salary and
then you fill it out from there.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna allowed to.
Speaker 1: Assuming if you're not allowed to, then I'm not giving
up Tyler Hero or I'm probably not even giving up
Andrew wi Ah, But I give up Andrew Wiggins for
Zion Williamson. I don't, No, probably not at this point. Again,
it's supposed to be more of an opportunistic play, but
I might consider it. But if you could do something
terror Rosier Simoni font Techio and then you'd like light
compensation from there, I'm looking at it if I'm Miami
especially and you know what we just before we hopped
down here, we were talking about the pacers. Bette mcmathern
is someone who might not need a ball scream to operate,
would be an interesting fit in Miami. Now, is he
too duplicative with Tyler hero Norman Powell? They all play
different styles of games, but none of them are giving
you the playmaking right.
Speaker 2: All three are very much shooting guards, not really guys.
You can move around positionally. Yes, Matherin probably a little bit,
but you're right.
Speaker 1: And it's also Tyler Heroes by far and away the
best playmaker out of out of that group still.
Speaker 2: So Tero Sheer, Simon Fon Techio And what's some draft
compensation or maybe Kasparas Jakuchionis or something for a young guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when we talk about passing Yakachonas, I
could see being becoming a really good play and he
just he will attempt some just like ball face, like
daring passes. I love it.
Speaker 2: Oh, but he's fearless.
Speaker 1: If it gets me Zion, I might, I might just look,
you put him in the heats culture and you know
health program, like maybe he's just all of a sudden
durable who knows.
Speaker 2: All right, sort of like from strictly a basketball perspective,
I don't hate that because what you're really doing is
just replacing Simony Vantecchio and Gaspar Jaco chonas would sign Williamson.
That that should be a net positive, right, If that's
the compensation level, yes, let's have a good discussion. If
it's like BAM or something along those lines where you
start that, that would be tricky for me. If you're
talking about Zion and BAM together, No, I mean you're
s trading. If you're trading BAM for Zion, that would be.
Speaker 1: No, you can't. That's no, don't. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Exactly that yeah, exactly, But that'd be interesting, Like that's
that's the type of stopgap situation I would find intriguing
because again I don't think you have the star so
to speak, because I don't view Sion as the star.
But at least you have a collective talent level that
is insanely high like Bam, Tyler, Hero, Andrew Wickens, Norman Powell, Sion, Williamson,
kiltle Ware, Jimi Hakis Junior. Are you kidding me? That's
the talent level? There is ridiculous. So I would roll
the dice on that.
Speaker 1: Sure, in terms of thinking either close to all in
or I guess all in adjacent, LaMelo ball would be
semi interesting for this team. Certainly upgrades the passing. But
I know how you feel about LaMelo ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a fan. Also, the lack of availability
remains a concern for me.
Speaker 1: I'm just assuming everyone who goes the Heat is immediately
sixty seven percent more available.
Speaker 2: So okay, in fairness to LaMelo, that does change my
outlook on it, because I'm a big part of that. No,
I've always been fair. I mean, one of the things
that I've said about one thing is I don't like
his game. I'm not gonna change my opinion on that.
But it's also a problem that you're not available when
you're a guy counted on to be the focal point
of the offense, like you need to play more. Like
over the last two three years, forty six games, twenty
two games, forty seven games. That's just not good enough.
Like if you come into the Heat and you're playing
what two thirds of games available? All right, now we're talking. Now,
we're at least I see the vision. He'll need to
turn down some of the dumbest shots that he's taking,
and he needs to play more of a discipline brand
of basketball. But like high coach BO, I mean, that's
probably one guy where I would trust that he can
fix that.
Speaker 1: This is just I don't think he really. I mean,
he might upgrade some things. But if it's another Terry
Rozier fill it out situation, no draft pick, no first
round picks. Manuel Quickly, I mean I still like Quickly,
I might be just so. I mean, I don't hate Quickly.
It's just that contract is not like the Raptors are
actively trying to move him in Yaka Purtle and not
getting any takers at the moment.
Speaker 2: I might have to take the l there because I
mean I had quickly pegged as a future All Star.
I thought he'd get there.
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, you were one of those that Nick
traded the best player in the Ojan No.
Speaker 2: No, I I think maybe I don't remember if I
said that. Yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: If I do remember that was going around though, right
I do.
Speaker 2: Yet, Yes, I do remember being very very high on
Quickly though, to the point where I was like, this
guy's going to be an All Star and that has
just not materialized. Granted, I don't think it helps that
he's playing with three wings that all need to all
needs the ball in their hands, so that it's like
that's one thing. But I'm also not going to excuse
it because he should have ample opportunity to assert himself.
It would be interesting for him to land in Miami,
but I think you kind of nailed it with your
terrot sheer point, like there is a risk of quickly
just flaming out in that system. No pun intended.
Speaker 1: This is more of an off season thing, probably, but
just as an exercise. Would Darius Garland do it for you?
Speaker 2: Yes? I mean Garland to me is because of the
injuries right now, he's become totally forgotten. Like I think
there's so much more to him than people seem to recognize.
Because again, this is a league where let's be real fans,
media puntits, whoever, it's it's what have you done for
me lately? Type of lead.
Speaker 1: Well, but if it's that type of a league, by
the way, what has he done for you lately? He's
averaged twenty points and seven assists while knocking down forty
two percent of his threes and over fifty percent, So
there you go.
Speaker 2: Right, But I yeah, he's super good. I think he's
so much better than we remember because those is the
big toe. It was a toe thing, right if memory
serves yep. Yeah, that's just that is such a bitch
of an injury because Shaq had it for a long time.
That hindered him a great deal. Like I know, there
is like an entire foot in terms of like high
difference and like two hundred pounds difference as well. But like, man,
it's Garland is good. He's very very good him in
Miami to run the whole show. I would love that,
absolutely love that. That's a guy like because he doesn't
come with spacing issues. He's bendable off the ball, He's
extremely efficient to the foul line. He's a playmaker. He
doesn't have like egregious turnover issues, at least not anymore.
He did have it like early in his career, but
not to the same extent anymore. He's insanely productive per minute.
He can weave himself into the fabriak of an offense.
I am still a major Garland fan. If you got
him in Miami in that system, oh my god, if
you could get him by on a by Low even like,
what's the when you say no.
Speaker 1: I didn't say by Low for him. I said it
was more. I think this is the one where it's
you every you can trade two draft picks. Those are
gone right as part of it just I don't even know, okay,
and then it so that removes you out of potentially
spicier conversations. But I like him enough to where if
I was Miami, I would probably do it. Although well
you could also say, is if the Calves flame out
this year, does Donovan Mitchell become available over the summer?
There's that age gap. Garland's twenty five? What is Mitchell
twenty nine?
Speaker 2: Gard Yeah, Gardland's about to turn twenty six in twelve days,
so he's yeah, he's still on that timeline. Donnie has been.
I feel rumored to the heat a couple of times,
but like, okay, name me a star who hasn't. If
we're being honest, right, every star is John Rant's a
perfect example.
Speaker 1: Well, I just fair enough on a lower end, just
someone can get downhill and spray the ball. Isaiah Collier
if Utah is saying, hey, we love Keyante George and
we have Walter Clayton and Bryce Senseaba there. Maybe you
look at that.
Speaker 2: Is that just not a younger Davion Mitchell.
Speaker 1: That is very fair. I mean without the defense or
the shooting at the paid no attention to me, then I, yeah,
I don't haven't. I was just trying to bounce back
and forth between bigger names their stop gaps. I don't
know if they're I mean, they could be just they're
not even they're not I don't want to say not interesting.
But if you're going for stop gaps because of the
way they play, it's just I'm not moved by what
if you got Trey Jones or what if you got
Cam Spencer or I don't think Vince Williams Junior is
gonna give you enough of the playmaking that you're.
Speaker 2: But I say all here apparently, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: Just throwing it out there as kind of a stab
in the dark, like if I don't know what utah
and well, if it's a first round pick, no you
hang up that.
Speaker 2: Next up you're gonna suggest Frankie smokes that this is
gonna be the team.
Speaker 1: They can get him. They wouldn't ever go up any
assets to get him.
Speaker 2: That's true. That is true.
Speaker 1: This now that's gonna bleed into because we've just established
the need for Miami is it's generally you would like
to say it's a primary playmaker, but they need a
new best player on the team. But I just want
to ask, if you can't find anybody, do you look
at shopping Bam or is that more of an off
season thing? And if not, because we already said so,
let's veer away from what we think the Heat actually
will do. What is BAM's value if they decide, okay,
if we can't get a if we can't get the
guy now and we don't think we're gonna win the
Yannis Sweepstakes or whatever sweepstakes are happening in the summer,
what can you get for Bam? And is his value
it all impacted. I've wondered this about both him and
Jarris Jackson Junior, of those non top ten or definitive
top fifteen players on these kind of largest deals. Very
I think teams would give up a shit ton for Bam.
I want to be clear, but like, what is your
if you had to boil it down to a number
of like first round pick slash prospects? Are we talking
three plus are we not there anymore?
Speaker 2: No, No, No, I think look, I think the secret
is out, not a ban, but on the non superstar contracts,
the fact that his contract bumps up to forty percent
of the cap next year, so we're starting forty nine
point eight and then fifty three point seven has a
player option on fifty seven point seven in twenty eight,
twenty nine. I just don't think the league out there
at large like, okay, look, there'll all always be one team,
So I have to like, I can't look at it
from like the one team that is willing to give
up the farm. I can't because.
Speaker 1: The Warriors just came in with picks, matching salary is
kaminga and it's like a bunch of you know, maybe
Moses Moodies in there.
Speaker 2: We're like, all right, so when you say picks, you
and I've had this conversation before. There is such a
big disparity in just giving up a pick that is
projected to be in the twenties or a pick that's
like projected to being the lottery. Protections matter, Like if
we're talking about these modest draft picks where you're giving
up like three first but all three of them are
sort of kind of expected to land in like the twenties.
Speaker 1: Why would maybe you know the age of Golden State's core. Yeah, yeah,
are those I think you can. That's the point part
of the conversations. You have to discern the upside on
those picks. And so Golden State has all their first
round picks moving forward, they have one of them is
traded to Washington, but it's it's top twenty protected. So
you could trade the spicier part of that pick and
say you get it if it's between nineteen and twenty. Yeah,
if Golden State came three first round picks and pods
and is Moody in there, does it need to be there?
I think they could trade up the four first round picks.
Do they need to throw that in there? Does that?
I mean?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't just look, I'll say
that immediately. I would not do it because it's if
it's the Warrior specifically. I was making a larger points
about prick protection. If it's the Warrior specifically, I wouldn't
do it because of the thing you just raised, like
it's an old dass roster.
Speaker 1: Oh you're second, it's the Warriors. You wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I might I think I disagree with you there.
I'm not putting all four on the table, but like,
I don't know, they can trade twenty six, twenty eight
and twenty thirty two outright, and they can trade the
second half of that twenty thirty. If it's just twenty six,
twenty eight and twenty thirty, I might just yolo it.
Speaker 2: So what was the player compensation with the Draymond and Kuminga?
Speaker 1: No, it's not. So what is Bam Bam doesn't make
that much money this year? Does he?
Speaker 2: All right, he's only at thirty seven? My bad, he's
at thirty seven.
Speaker 1: So like commit inga gets you mostly there, and then
I mean you could fill the filler, could be there's
Buddy Healed and then you're probably Moses Moody. I mean,
now you're thinner on the wings, but you have Bam Otebaio,
Draymond Green, Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry. Yeah, and you
probably need to honestly, could you get there with Buddy
Healed and Al Horford? Because that's what that's fourteen.
Speaker 2: Fourteen, Yeah, that's fourteen eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that gets you there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can.
Speaker 1: There you go, and then all the picks and then
you still have Moody and the Aan female.
Speaker 2: Oh wait a second, they're over the first Apron eleven
million over, so they can't take a dollar back. So
what was it? Was it thirty seven for.
Speaker 1: Bam is on the books this year?
Speaker 2: Yeah? For seven point one, okay.
Speaker 1: And that Golden State package came to thirty eight, right,
unless I did my math wrong, I'm just a high
balling this five point seven. And then Buddy Healed is
nine point two, So that's fourteen point nine plus Kaminga
is at twenty two point five.
Speaker 2: That's forty six, right, forty six.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, there you go. You throw somebody else in there.
And yet so you in theory, you could if you're
putting all the picks on the table, you could get
there without including Moses Moody. Maybe prefer to keep Pods
over Moody and say, you know, we'll just play we
have GP two, we have Melton, we have pods, will
play that way. But as Golden State, I think I
would do it, not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I mean, if it's Golden State trying to give Steph
that one last chance, all right, I guess because it's
gonna hurt regardless when he's gone. It's just in a
nutshell in isolation. I just don't think players of BAM's ilk,
who's like, you know, it's let me put it this way,
is Bam good enough to be the second best player
on the championship team?
Speaker 1: I think it could be because you're you're then presuming
that that top option is running your entire offense, which
is the perfect because just what Bam does to offensively
he can. It's different. Now can he be the number
two offensive option? That might be a different type of question.
But as the second best or second most valuable player
on a title team, I think that answers pretty clearly.
Speaker 2: I'd say yes, you'd say yes, so just to because
usually the names I would bring up are like Jannaz Jokicic,
those type of guys. What if the best players Luka,
just to bring up an example, would it's a Luca
Bam player, a player one, player two? Is that like
a lineup that could win a championship or like based
on the top two players? Yes? All right, okay, like
if you buy into that, sure I will go along
with he could be an attractive trade piece at thirty
percent of the cap. If you're an organization that disagrees
with that line of thinking, and I don't think everyone
would agree with you, I would be hesitant to trade
for that contract because we're seeing teams now basically saying, yeah,
I'm not giving up a ton for guys who are
you know, earning in the thirty percent mark of the
salary cap unless they're like almost tier one guys. Again,
I'm not saying Bam is more valuable than Trey Young.
I think he is. There wasn't even that traffic included
in that trade for Trey Young. So if we're sitting
here saying three firsts for Bam, are we being optimistic
about his trade value?
Speaker 1: We could be, But I think if you're the heat,
you would then have to weigh does it then just
make more sense to hold on to him or would
it make more sense to move him if you risk
that deal becoming Does that deal get more valuable because
there's gonna be fewery years left on or does it
get less valuable because he's getting older and teams are
going to continue to shift towards Oh, we don't know
how to value these guys who aren't the megastars, but
they're on these big deals.
Speaker 2: Right and so your point, and I will give you this.
You know, he's been to the finals. He's a guy
you can trust in the playoff. So the amount of
times that he would get you into the playoffs on
the current timeline instead of trading him in the summer,
like you could actually make the case for a team
trading him, trading for him at the trade deadline that hey,
you would also get him for the twenty twenty six
playoffs like right now, that would probably be an acid
enough itself.
Speaker 1: I think it's a conversation with him becomes more difficult
to have if you think a team that isn't necessarily
on the title contention track right now. Let's use Charlotte
as an example. He'd actually be a fantastic fit in Charlotte,
But would they give up three first round Now maybe
they would because they own Miamis pick next year, So
there's that element of it. But what a team in
that situation give up a ton of assets for him?
And that's probably a no to where if you were
talking about Jokich or Luca or Yannis, is the perfect example,
because he might actually be on the trademarket soon I
think any almost any team, and maybe not. Maybe we're
even changing the way reviewing those guys who are past
thirty in their megastars and they're very relyant on their athleticism.
But BAM's not necessarily even one of those guys that's
gonna be relying on nuclear explosion. I think that his
game should should age quite well. So for for teams
that aspire to immediate title contention, if you're talking about
at San Antonio, Golden State, just as examples, I do
think that those teams you would get the equivalent of
at least three first round picks for him. All right,
So then I have, like it seemed that could be
fun to discuss as a sort of like testing ground
for that theory. The Pistons, they have their older draft picks,
they have the expiring contract of Tobias Harris, they are
going to have to pay Jalen during this summer, Like,
could you make a play for Bam now and just
add him to that front line and have a three
man like a nasty ass three man defensive lineup, not
not playing, not starting at the same time, but like
a rotation. I think so Isaiah Stewart, to be fair,
basically makes backup money and so that's fine, But do
you think that Bam and Duran should be playing together
and then you also have a sar Thompson sprinkled in there?
Speaker 2: Spacing wise, it won't be pretty, but it's not pretty now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you're gonna that's a team
where I prefer them to invest in the offense rather
than triple down on the defensive setup. It's kind of
why it's that's an analog to why does Toronto? We
know they need a big man, but watch that big
man Anthony Davis to where he moves a needle where
they're still there? What are they seventh in points?
Speaker 2: Don't don't think I agree with you. My point is
think about the fact that he's a good team that
does have picks available who needs to go all in
like so can okay, is there a better scene? Oh?
Speaker 1: Is there a better team?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: We we we know Toronto is looking for a big man.
Let's lose. Let's use Toronto. Then let's Toronto because they're
blinked to Anthony Davis for some strange.
Speaker 2: And they have all their picks too, So it's a
great example. All right, if I'm Toronto, I would. I
mean also, but you know what the calculus with Toronto
is though. You know you're getting off of the quickly
or Peertle deal as part of that trade, so maybe
you just say, well, that's just going to bring up
the assets you have to give up. So if I'm Toronto, yeah,
I would do it for Bam. You watch Bam and
Scottie Barnes just on the same team. I'm assuming Colin
Murray Boyles is gone in that and if he's not,
holy crap. So what's the deal? It's what quickly or
buried as no, no.
Speaker 1: No, that deal goes on forever he is gone. And
then you figure out that doesn't get you all the
way there, so you need They don't have a ton
of like mid rung salaries though, dude, they don't know.
That's difficult.
Speaker 2: But I I hear you that because that particular consolation
of talent in Toronto and the fact that they have
their own draft picks, the fact that they're so good
right now, that gives them the necessary runway to say, oh, yeah,
we need to go all in. And that was the
question I just used Detroit initially. Yeah, I see, I
think that is closer to the point of a team
that would relinquish more assets for BAM. Yes, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, and look, there are teams that, look, I share
your concern or curiosity in the sense of I don't
know if you're Miami. We named a couple of teams
that we think could give you three plus first round
picks or the equivalent. But would they actually And if
the answer is no, then what do you do Because
do you think that his trade value is going to
improve or do you just trust that you're going to
find the right player to stick beside him to return
to title contention. And that's what gets super difficult. And
by the way, looming over all of this, which like
we really haven't even talked about, Norman Powell is going
to be a free agent, Tyler Hero has one year
left on his deal, Andrew Wiggins has a player option.
I like, though, if you're gonna if the Heat are
gonna be sellers, Like those are the names you almost
look at first right before bad of course?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I mean are they because when are they
ever really sellers? We talked about leaning into the future,
which I wouldn't mind if they went that route. But like,
let's say Andrew Wickins as an example, what caliber of
young player can you get for him? Like, I'm not
I'm sure you can get someone who would fit the
younger side of Miami's rotation, But like, what is the
best young player you can get for Angrel Wickins a vacuum?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the best young player that Jaris Walker situation.
Speaker 2: I mean that's for league. I was thinking, like Jade
and Ivy or something.
Speaker 1: Okay, would you yeah, j and Ivy is preferable to
Jarvis Walker for sure? That's probably wow. Would the Pistons do.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably right? If anything? Is that a stretch
to say Jade and Ivy?
Speaker 2: For me?
Speaker 1: It's not. I think for some people it might be
all right.
Speaker 2: I mean Wiggins is good. So it just comes down
to finding the right situation, and like, is that worth
it for Miami? Is that worth it going in and
getting a Jade and Ivy for example? Who needs to
be re upped the summer?
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, the you know what I had actually thought about?
Would you do as the heat knowing that you're trying
to prioritize Let's let's assume Andrew Wiggs is gonna decline
his player option and you're more interested in preserving cap
space for twenty twenty seven. You want to give a
multi year contract, do you take on Zeke Nauje from
the Nuggets to get Cam Johnson and basically any swap
that they could give you. So you're getting some swaps
on Denver out years for Wicks plus a twenty thirty
two second. They can also trade that if you want.
Julian Strawther be my guest. But I used Wiggins going
to to Denver despite his slow start. Am I crazy
for preferring Cam Johnson in that system more than Wiggins?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I think for the off ball stuff specifically, Like I
think he's gonna be a He's gonna give you more
diversity there than Andrew Wiggins would. Andrew Wiins probably gives
you a little more on ball juice, so that's your
looking more. But Peyton Wattson apparently.
Speaker 2: Gives you that right all of a sudden. And I
assume Christian Brown is gonna, you know, come back to
the Earth at some point and play better. He's also
got some on ball juice. Like it's does Wigins really
have a a role there that is like drastically different.
Speaker 1: Probably that's drastically different. I think he can do more
defensive leaving Cam Johnson for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, agreed, agreed, agreed.
Speaker 1: Yes, Now I think there's probably I don't know if
it's a more uncomfortable question, but who's do you get?
What's the best young player you could get for Tyler Hero?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh, Giddy? What I.
Speaker 1: Would trade Josh Giddy for Tyler Hero? I don't think
the Chicago Bulls would, no.
Speaker 2: But again, we're also approaching the Miami here from a
perspective of like what we would do and not what
they would do. I guess that Giddy doesn't even fit
half the structure of the league's teams anyway, So like,
I don't even know if Miami would look at him
as you know, a piece to the.
Speaker 1: Puzzle, which is I think that's what complicates the Heat situation,
whether they're buyers or sellers, because if you're getting your
next best player, I think the prevailing assumption is Tyler
Heroes involved in that deal. Yeah, I'm just curious what.
And I tend to value Tyler hero this season is
not a good example, but more than most people because
I think that the playmaking jump was real in all
the ways you could use him as an on ball
or off ball spacer. To me matters. But if you're
going out there to get Yannis, like, what's Milwaukee's appetite for?
How are they?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, they might take on the money, but do they
view him as the equivalent of more than a first
round pick?
Speaker 2: God, yeah, that's a good question. I don't know the
answer to that. It's it's so difficult with this team.
I mean, this is not a team that I am
envy about sitting in that front office trying to come
up with their approach to the trade deadline because the
trade values here are I mean all over the place,
individually speaking, and frankly for us because of the aprons
and how player salaries has just shifted in terms of value,
it is so difficult to gauge. I mean, if I
had told you twelve months ago the Trey Young would
be traded for the aspiring contract of c J. McCollum
and Corey Kispert, I don't know what your reaction would
have been, but I'm guessing it wouldn't have been Oh cool,
makes sense.
Speaker 1: No, it definitely would not have been.
Speaker 2: That so like it. We can sit here and talk
about like picks for Bam, we can sit here and
talk about Tyler Hero for Josh Gidding, we can we
can throw all kinds of scenarios up there. But the
fact of the matter is the iprints are just messing
up individual player trading trade value to a point where
this is so theoretical. I just don't have any idea
of how teams around the league value these contracts, like
our teams perhaps even going that, like maybe some teams
were saying, yeah, we would love Bam, we would give
up multiple picks. There might be some teams were saying
the band contract, how many picks are you attaching like
they're much legitimate. I mean, I'm just saying that the
league has gotten really cautious because of all this.
Speaker 1: Two more Tyler Hero questions before he moved on, just
as a baseline for what would his value. But you
mentioned Jay and Ivy before with the Pistons, what about
a similar structure for Tyler Hero. Are they even doing that?
Would they give you this year's pick plus Jade and
Ivy and then you fill out the salary with Tobias
for Tyler Hero.
Speaker 2: I don't hate that. That's actually good Tyler Hero and
Detroit like that probably speaks into what you were saying earlier,
just in regards to like focusing on an offense instead.
That is also a better fit for kid, I think
than who Bammed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the concern is and maybe it's not
a concern, but you know what Tyler Hero costs next season,
then he comes off the books, which is when Asar
Thompson will be we'll be talking about his new deal.
So it does give you some flexibility there, but you
do have to worry about him getting paid this season though,
based off what Tyler Hero has done this season, the
availability and his play, that's probably not a deal Detroit
is making. The other one I had thought about, is
it Fred van Fleet salary X to finish it, and
then would Houston give you They've got first round picks
to trade, maybe even Tari Easton's in there for Hero.
Speaker 2: So that's twenty five.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't none of these trades
to me make the Heat better. So this was more
of what could the Heat do if they decided to
Either we're not necessarily trading Bam, but we're trying to
pick off other parts of our roster and load up
on first rounders. Because the moral of the story for Miami,
I think is that I believe any big move they make,
whether it's buying or selling, it's gonna happen this offseason.
I think that this offseason is gonna be a major
inflection point for that.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no question the Rockets get better if
they pull off the deal that you just brought up,
because like.
Speaker 1: Your offense has not been great lately too.
Speaker 2: Right, you're replacing It's basically Tari Easton for Tyler Hero.
And I love Tari Easton, but like a guy who
comes in and is that high volume and the shooting capacity,
and yeah, I'm pulling that immediately. The thing is, though,
would I do it if I'm.
Speaker 1: And you also as Houston, if Tari's involved, you still
need another player to get to Hero's money because of
their Yeah, but I'm not. Look if I'm Houston, I'm
not gonna flinch it. Yeah, we can include Quinn Cappella
or if you have to include Dorian Finney Smith.
Speaker 2: But Easton Miami is interesting. That's interesting. That is the
right structure where I think he will get a ton
of minutes and the right role and the number one
you know, the quickest offense in the league, like he
was a flamethrower of a transition player at college as well.
I wouldn't hate that.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I just this would But he's gonna be
a free agent and they don't have the picks to
make it work. If you were to move Bam, well,
I don't know. That doesn't make it sense. I can
say Austin Reeves in Miami. That's more of a buye.
You try and keep Bam there and go get Austin
Reeves right right? Yeah? Do you have anything else on
this team, sir? It's a complicated trade deadline. If I
had to guess to wrap it up, I think they
buy and I think their most likely player to be
traded is I'm gonna say Simoni Fontechio. It should be
Terry Rozier, but we don't know that if that's gonna
fly anyway, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that, But no, I don't
have anything more to add.
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