WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.240
<v Speaker 1>So it's quite sensible as we haven't got Callum with

2
00:00:02.359 --> 00:00:04.719
<v Speaker 1>us this week, so I don't want any knob gags.

3
00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:09.320
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, can you imagine it's episode sixty nine today?

4
00:00:09.919 --> 00:00:13.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, can you imagine where he would be right now?

5
00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:15.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to imagine where Callum is in a.

6
00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:19.879
<v Speaker 2>Sixty nine No, No, he'd definitely be at the wrong end,

7
00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:20.320
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't he.

8
00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:26.480
<v Speaker 3>So yes, no, so Callum isn't.

9
00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Here Richard because he is off stalking, not in a

10
00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:32.079
<v Speaker 2>sinister way.

11
00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:33.679
<v Speaker 3>To add, what is deer?

12
00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:35.520
<v Speaker 1>So it might be sinisterly stalking deer.

13
00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:38.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, sinisterly stalking deer.

14
00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Do you know I was talking to Goldie today because

15
00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:43.399
<v Speaker 2>I was telling the other day about how I've sort

16
00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:47.079
<v Speaker 2>of got him lots and lots of customers all of

17
00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:50.200
<v Speaker 2>a sudden who want to buy his boxes of.

18
00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:50.719
<v Speaker 3>These deer boxes.

19
00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and Jack in the box, Jack in the bar.

20
00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:57.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm going to register that.

21
00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Before Rester, that whilst we're on air, before some blighter

22
00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:04.760
<v Speaker 2>nix it. But do you know he was telling me

23
00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:08.480
<v Speaker 2>today because I mean it's quite bizarre. You imagine he

24
00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.879
<v Speaker 2>and I together. He likes to talk, I like to talk,

25
00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:14.840
<v Speaker 2>but we just talk at one another, very rarely listening

26
00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:18.480
<v Speaker 2>to what one another has to say. Yeah, exactly like

27
00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:22.920
<v Speaker 2>all men do. But anyway, he was taking then talking

28
00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:29.120
<v Speaker 2>me through his days stalking the other day and he

29
00:01:29.200 --> 00:01:32.159
<v Speaker 2>was saying, and it was just talking about then I

30
00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:35.000
<v Speaker 2>got to this clump of bramble, then turn left because

31
00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:36.079
<v Speaker 2>the wind had done this.

32
00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:36.519
<v Speaker 3>That and the other.

33
00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:40.719
<v Speaker 2>And you know, if the only difference it being from

34
00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:45.400
<v Speaker 2>like a Graham Downing piece in the shooting times is

35
00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:48.239
<v Speaker 2>that Graham Downing would have resulted at the end of

36
00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:52.280
<v Speaker 2>his lengthy diatribe about going with the wind and hiding

37
00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:57.239
<v Speaker 2>behind this tree, and that with one deer shot, Gouldy

38
00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.280
<v Speaker 2>had six month jack, one red and two row.

39
00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:01.840
<v Speaker 3>So that's the.

40
00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Difference really is it's it's the quality is the same,

41
00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:12.360
<v Speaker 2>but the quantity is markedly different. Yes, so's he's been doing?

42
00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:14.439
<v Speaker 2>Is stuff out there in the field.

43
00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Is there a sort of the difference between stalking for

44
00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:21.240
<v Speaker 1>pleasure versus stalking as a job as part of wildlife management?

45
00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:26.479
<v Speaker 3>Utterly that Richard one hundred And I think.

46
00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:32.960
<v Speaker 2>It's where one of the problems of the deer over

47
00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:36.240
<v Speaker 2>abundance that we have, I think we talked about last week,

48
00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:39.879
<v Speaker 2>but I think it's worth reiterating it is that there

49
00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:46.240
<v Speaker 2>is deer stalking evolved sort of lowland deer stalking anyway,

50
00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:50.639
<v Speaker 2>evolved as a sort of a hobby, courtesy really of

51
00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Richard Pryor trying to raise the profile and the value

52
00:02:55.400 --> 00:03:00.000
<v Speaker 2>which we have for the row because they were before

53
00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Richard Pryor sort of wrote his book on Roadie, they

54
00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:08.840
<v Speaker 2>were considered as basically vermin, and they were treated as such,

55
00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.439
<v Speaker 2>And I would agree wholeheartedly with them. They deserve our

56
00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:20.080
<v Speaker 2>kind regard and careful care emittedly with a rifle when

57
00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.280
<v Speaker 2>needs be. But he was never writing in a time

58
00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:26.919
<v Speaker 2>when we were riddled with non native over abundance.

59
00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.199
<v Speaker 1>Hell of a comedian, though, Yeah, try.

60
00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:34.639
<v Speaker 2>To skin himself once, didn't He? He was on is

61
00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:36.159
<v Speaker 2>it MDM A or something?

62
00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I think it's or is it crack crack?

63
00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's on something which is which the Greens want

64
00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:46.080
<v Speaker 2>to legalize, and skin himself.

65
00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm on the edge of my knowledge here with my

66
00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:52.759
<v Speaker 1>illicit substances exactly. I grew up on a very strong.

67
00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:58.439
<v Speaker 2>Exactly on which note, I'm drinking Henry Western's and.

68
00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:03.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm drinking that in celebration of.

69
00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Nick Over in the Forest of Dean because Adams, Nick Adams,

70
00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:12.000
<v Speaker 2>because I think am I correct in saying that Herefordshire

71
00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:13.639
<v Speaker 2>is his manner.

72
00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:16.399
<v Speaker 3>And also it was on four for three.

73
00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the co op in Bottersdale, so yes, So

74
00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:23.959
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't really for Nick. It was because it saved

75
00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.839
<v Speaker 2>me three pounds fifty for a bottle of cider.

76
00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:28.439
<v Speaker 3>That's what it really did.

77
00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.439
<v Speaker 1>I love how when then sort of rural dramas and

78
00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:34.399
<v Speaker 1>TV things, and when the ben Elson used to make

79
00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:38.920
<v Speaker 1>films about the British countryside, the everyone shops are sort

80
00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:41.600
<v Speaker 1>of little quaint village shops run by somebody and it's

81
00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:43.800
<v Speaker 1>all local produce and things like that, and people tried

82
00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:46.720
<v Speaker 1>to make that happen in the countryside. But really, if

83
00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.000
<v Speaker 1>you are coming back from a long day of working

84
00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.199
<v Speaker 1>in the woods of the forest or wherever, you end

85
00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:55.000
<v Speaker 1>up going into spa co op, yeah, petrol station, whichever

86
00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.879
<v Speaker 1>is open, which involves the minimum number of steps between

87
00:04:57.879 --> 00:04:58.839
<v Speaker 1>the truck door.

88
00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:04.040
<v Speaker 2>The and let's be perfectly honest, the reason for that

89
00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:08.079
<v Speaker 2>is because the little places that were village shops have

90
00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:13.160
<v Speaker 2>now been converted into houses by people who vote Green

91
00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:18.680
<v Speaker 2>and then demand that there aren't village shops anymore. And

92
00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's it seems to me to be something

93
00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:25.160
<v Speaker 2>that slightly oxymoronic. Is that all these people who say, oh,

94
00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:27.279
<v Speaker 2>we haven't got a village pub anymore, did you go

95
00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:28.199
<v Speaker 2>to the village pub?

96
00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:28.879
<v Speaker 3>Well?

97
00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:31.759
<v Speaker 2>No, but but you know it's important that we have them.

98
00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:35.959
<v Speaker 2>It's it is is most of the stuff I do.

99
00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:39.879
<v Speaker 2>I was in London the other day to go and

100
00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:45.360
<v Speaker 2>talk at the Game Farmers Association an your general meeting,

101
00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:48.079
<v Speaker 2>and I stayed. In fact, I spoke to you from there,

102
00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:49.160
<v Speaker 2>didn't I from is Lincoln.

103
00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:51.800
<v Speaker 1>You're speaking to me live from withinside Islington.

104
00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, yes, you know there were people who actually like

105
00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Keir Starmer there, which is a rare old place. It's

106
00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:00.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a bit like sort of and seeing

107
00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:01.920
<v Speaker 2>it endangered species.

108
00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever find out whether your hotel had themed

109
00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:06.399
<v Speaker 1>rooms or whether they all look like that?

110
00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:07.240
<v Speaker 2>No?

111
00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:08.480
<v Speaker 3>I do, you know.

112
00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:12.279
<v Speaker 2>I just didn't have the confidence to go and burst

113
00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.399
<v Speaker 2>into someone else's room and say, my mate, Richard, what

114
00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:19.680
<v Speaker 2>thinks thinks that you've got a themed room? No, no,

115
00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to hurt you. Put your phone down

116
00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:25.839
<v Speaker 2>that it's okay. No, I didn't do that. But let's

117
00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:28.120
<v Speaker 2>say that they might have done. But anyway, say a

118
00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:33.040
<v Speaker 2>lovely place called the Hambury in Islington, not that far

119
00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:39.959
<v Speaker 2>from the Angel Islington, which players of Monopoly will know. Well, yeah, exactly,

120
00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:43.160
<v Speaker 2>always a good thing by the Angel is linkedon don't

121
00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.600
<v Speaker 2>buy the old Kent Road always rubbish.

122
00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Cheap crap, rent.

123
00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:50.839
<v Speaker 2>Crap rent rubbish, rent may fair a bit too expensive,

124
00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:55.439
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, yeah, So I was there for the Gang

125
00:06:55.480 --> 00:07:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Farmers Association, and when I was speaking there, I found

126
00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:06.040
<v Speaker 2>one of the you know, I completely lost my train

127
00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:06.480
<v Speaker 2>of thought.

128
00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Now on Monopoly. What were we talking about?

129
00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Why?

130
00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, why did I say I had to go to London.

131
00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:14.800
<v Speaker 1>You had been asked to not speak at the Game

132
00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:16.519
<v Speaker 1>Farmer's thing, but you did it anyway.

133
00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:19.720
<v Speaker 2>I forced my way to the front, so get out

134
00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:20.519
<v Speaker 2>of the way.

135
00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Why we should not hold this meeting? And then a

136
00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.959
<v Speaker 1>hedge layer rams himself into the back of the auditorium.

137
00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Do you know it is funny sometimes when you go

138
00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:31.480
<v Speaker 2>and do this and you have to try and remind

139
00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.560
<v Speaker 2>yourself why you're there, you know, rather than just going

140
00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:37.560
<v Speaker 2>the usual old thing. When I'm speaking at something about hedges,

141
00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:40.240
<v Speaker 2>you have to try and sort of make it relevant

142
00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:45.560
<v Speaker 2>to the game farmers or you know, whichever farming organization

143
00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:49.759
<v Speaker 2>or whatever you've done. And it would be quite funny

144
00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:52.920
<v Speaker 2>if Claire had switched my speech and I was doing

145
00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.000
<v Speaker 2>actually the one that i'd done to the Guild of

146
00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Agricultural Journalists, and I started berating all these game farmers

147
00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.720
<v Speaker 2>that they were really rubbish, not writing for any other

148
00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:03.600
<v Speaker 2>publication other than the Farmer's Weekly.

149
00:08:04.040 --> 00:08:07.040
<v Speaker 3>But I didn't do that, but it was a lovely thing.

150
00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:09.920
<v Speaker 2>And one of the things I found about that bit

151
00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.839
<v Speaker 2>of London is that if you were actually after and

152
00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:16.120
<v Speaker 2>that's what I remembered I was talking about now, is

153
00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:19.240
<v Speaker 2>that that bit of London, it still had a slight

154
00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:24.279
<v Speaker 2>villagey feel and they had lots of little shops along

155
00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.120
<v Speaker 2>their sort of esplanade of a high street that had

156
00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.439
<v Speaker 2>everything from the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker, and

157
00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:35.279
<v Speaker 2>they've clearly were working. So we've almost got the villages

158
00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:39.720
<v Speaker 2>of London still exist. But the villages of well, certainly

159
00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.200
<v Speaker 2>rural Suffolk, they're dying on their asses. There's nothing here

160
00:08:43.240 --> 00:08:46.840
<v Speaker 2>in our village at all other than a pub which

161
00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:48.279
<v Speaker 2>opens three days a week.

162
00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:51.399
<v Speaker 1>There's only three quarters high as well, and Bova, you've

163
00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:54.639
<v Speaker 1>got the lowest ceilings in your pub of anywhere in England.

164
00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well actually just down the road

165
00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:04.200
<v Speaker 2>the four Horseshoes at Thorn and Magna, that is ridiculously low.

166
00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:06.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean I have to walk around like Qusi modo

167
00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:10.600
<v Speaker 2>to get around there. Is it really is quite painful

168
00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:13.039
<v Speaker 2>if you hit your head there.

169
00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:15.240
<v Speaker 1>So it's a weird thing when you go to London

170
00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:16.759
<v Speaker 1>when you sort of think I'm going to get on

171
00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:19.080
<v Speaker 1>the tube here and go or a taxi or whatever

172
00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:20.960
<v Speaker 1>and go across to this bit and then go to

173
00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:23.279
<v Speaker 1>this bit and this bit and then inevitably back to

174
00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:25.159
<v Speaker 1>the station or your hotel or whatever. And you think

175
00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:27.679
<v Speaker 1>if I was back home and I've gone across half

176
00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:32.159
<v Speaker 1>the county in that distance that you've traveled, but you've

177
00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:34.600
<v Speaker 1>gone past so many facilities and you know, shops and

178
00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:38.000
<v Speaker 1>little communities, as you say, And this is I think

179
00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:40.960
<v Speaker 1>it's the argument behind that fifteen minute city, which will

180
00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:47.240
<v Speaker 1>park the conspiracy theory to one side. Not oh yes,

181
00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:49.399
<v Speaker 1>that'll you'll be in your fifteen minute city and not

182
00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:54.080
<v Speaker 1>allowed to leave, is the one of the things, which yeah,

183
00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:59.200
<v Speaker 1>but that is sort of the idea that every sub

184
00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:03.200
<v Speaker 1>community is self contained in terms of daily needs in

185
00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:06.840
<v Speaker 1>a way that rural areas used to be but really

186
00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:11.240
<v Speaker 1>can't be now because the economics have shifted so much

187
00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:14.559
<v Speaker 1>that you can't you can't reclaim what you've lost because

188
00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:16.279
<v Speaker 1>all the buildings it used to be a little shop

189
00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.759
<v Speaker 1>or whatever an our four HOLDI lets, yeah.

190
00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:20.879
<v Speaker 3>For sure.

191
00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:24.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean I did notice when I was staying down

192
00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:28.200
<v Speaker 2>in the Cotswolds on my book tour, because you.

193
00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Do get about, don't I know.

194
00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:35.320
<v Speaker 2>I know because that is basically London that has moved

195
00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:37.679
<v Speaker 2>to the move to.

196
00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:39.919
<v Speaker 1>The Cotswolds, the Chelsea Garden.

197
00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:44.080
<v Speaker 2>The Chelsea Garden, that there they do still have lots

198
00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:50.200
<v Speaker 2>and lots of various shops selling stuff because it's almost

199
00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that there they've gone, well, yeah, we've got loads of

200
00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:54.879
<v Speaker 2>money and we're going to live here and we want

201
00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:59.080
<v Speaker 2>all this luxury of being able to bimble down to

202
00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:02.679
<v Speaker 2>the artists and baker the artists and butcher that, and

203
00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:03.840
<v Speaker 2>then they'll pay for it.

204
00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:05.440
<v Speaker 3>But I think here in the.

205
00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Rest most normal rural Britain, we haven't got the money

206
00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:13.240
<v Speaker 2>to go and fork out on artisan and loaves. And secondly,

207
00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I say we don't really have the time because even

208
00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:19.000
<v Speaker 2>if I mean I was working in Norfolk at the

209
00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:20.919
<v Speaker 2>moment on their hedge out there, which is only like

210
00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:26.399
<v Speaker 2>forty five minutes away. But you get back anything, the

211
00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.039
<v Speaker 2>shop's not going to stay open for me because I'm

212
00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:31.759
<v Speaker 2>back home now at are past five. They want to

213
00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:34.159
<v Speaker 2>have normal shop hours, whereas it seemed to be in

214
00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:38.399
<v Speaker 2>the Cotswolds. There's lots of people with sufficient time on

215
00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:42.120
<v Speaker 2>their hands to do their shop with a basket, lots

216
00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:43.159
<v Speaker 2>of wicker baskets.

217
00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:44.320
<v Speaker 3>I noticed.

218
00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.240
<v Speaker 1>That should be a T shirt, shouldn't it, Sire Ancestor

219
00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:53.679
<v Speaker 1>is not the real world. It's not exactly is this

220
00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:57.039
<v Speaker 1>a parallel universe because it had family that's used to

221
00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:01.279
<v Speaker 1>get shipped after the Cotswolves for a few summers, and

222
00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:04.720
<v Speaker 1>it really is. Even then in the eighties and nineties

223
00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:08.799
<v Speaker 1>it was detached from civilization in a weird way. I

224
00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:10.919
<v Speaker 1>mean that everyone who made decisions about our day lives

225
00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.600
<v Speaker 1>either had a house there, or holiday there, or went there.

226
00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:18.840
<v Speaker 1>But in terms of the countryside, it is not like say,

227
00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:23.960
<v Speaker 1>rural Derbyshire or Leicestershire or somewhere like that. And it's

228
00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:27.000
<v Speaker 1>certainly not like you know, we're in a relatively poor

229
00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:32.039
<v Speaker 1>county here. Even for whales. My whales' is standards, which

230
00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:34.559
<v Speaker 1>is not mucking well, it's just you know, in the

231
00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:39.240
<v Speaker 1>rankings we are and we don't have local shops in

232
00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:40.679
<v Speaker 1>that sort of way. There's a little strip on the

233
00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:45.279
<v Speaker 1>coast which is being gentrified slowly over the years, and

234
00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.240
<v Speaker 1>tourists are sort of pushing that a little bit, but

235
00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:50.519
<v Speaker 1>also people just moving there because they realized they can

236
00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:54.960
<v Speaker 1>buy a five story Georgian seafront house for the price

237
00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:56.759
<v Speaker 1>of what they used to pay for parking in London,

238
00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.960
<v Speaker 1>so they're buying that. And then little shops and businesses

239
00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:04.919
<v Speaker 1>are popping up to to sort of service that climantel,

240
00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.240
<v Speaker 1>and you're getting these artists and bakers and brewers and

241
00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:10.720
<v Speaker 1>all these little things starting to pop up. It's great

242
00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:13.120
<v Speaker 1>for people like my mate Hugh because now he can

243
00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:15.519
<v Speaker 1>sell beef and milk and all these other things. He's

244
00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:19.960
<v Speaker 1>doing broiler poultry next direct to customer for a premium,

245
00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:23.080
<v Speaker 1>and he's because these things are starting to pop up.

246
00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:26.039
<v Speaker 1>But once you get away from that strip, we just

247
00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.799
<v Speaker 1>don't have that. We don't have those nice little local places,

248
00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.200
<v Speaker 1>or as I said earlier, the only places that are

249
00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.559
<v Speaker 1>left open are Nisa and Spa and Oldie. Really Oldie

250
00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:38.720
<v Speaker 1>is like is the dominant shop now it's the glow

251
00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:40.879
<v Speaker 1>on the hill you can see five miles away.

252
00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you know, I think that's absolutely right, And

253
00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:49.320
<v Speaker 2>it's debatable, my mother said to me, because she's from Southwold,

254
00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:54.200
<v Speaker 2>born and bred, so as Southwold as a place that

255
00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:58.480
<v Speaker 2>is as near as dammit a.

256
00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:00.200
<v Speaker 1>The police arriving behind you.

257
00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.679
<v Speaker 2>Now that's one of Charlie's friends going off because obviously

258
00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:05.159
<v Speaker 2>we don't have street lights here, so these sensible young

259
00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.279
<v Speaker 2>people have to wear head torches.

260
00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:10.840
<v Speaker 1>So being raided.

261
00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine that's something that kids in sort of

262
00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:17.879
<v Speaker 2>urban areas that go so, well, stay where the street

263
00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:20.679
<v Speaker 2>lights are, you'll be safe. Well, you'd be hard pushed

264
00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:22.720
<v Speaker 2>to stay near the street lights here because I think

265
00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.480
<v Speaker 2>the nearest ones are in Stowe Market, which is eight

266
00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:30.039
<v Speaker 2>miles away. But there you go, Southwareses, my mother said

267
00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:32.000
<v Speaker 2>to me, and she had a bit of a sort

268
00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:34.679
<v Speaker 2>of start realization because you know, she was a Southwarld girl,

269
00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.159
<v Speaker 2>born and bread and then only what three years ago

270
00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.799
<v Speaker 2>they moved in here to mid Suffolk, into the other house,

271
00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:45.919
<v Speaker 2>and she she said that, if you think about it,

272
00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:49.519
<v Speaker 2>the reason why Southwold has stayed as this pretty tweet

273
00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.240
<v Speaker 2>place that people still remember it. It looks much the

274
00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.720
<v Speaker 2>same as it did fifty years ago.

275
00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:57.519
<v Speaker 3>When I was a boy.

276
00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:02.879
<v Speaker 2>Is courtesy of the fact that it has gentrified itself

277
00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:07.080
<v Speaker 2>in a way, because otherwise it would have turned into

278
00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.840
<v Speaker 2>low Stuff, which is one of the most depressed places,

279
00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.879
<v Speaker 2>or a great Yarmouth, which is again another hugely depressed place,

280
00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:17.799
<v Speaker 2>because that didn't gentrify itself. It didn't say, well, we're

281
00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:21.639
<v Speaker 2>going to have all these folks live here. And you know,

282
00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Southwold is stuffed with nice little shops, but it isn't

283
00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.440
<v Speaker 2>the place that it used to be. And so I

284
00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:32.639
<v Speaker 2>guess if you're like a lot of the time when

285
00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:38.159
<v Speaker 2>because you said, you know, Sirencester isn't real world. Where

286
00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:43.919
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of rural books, not novels, you know,

287
00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:49.919
<v Speaker 2>and and crime dramas and if they're not in London,

288
00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:54.399
<v Speaker 2>they're based in rural areas which are basically the Cotswolds,

289
00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:56.759
<v Speaker 2>or if it's got a touch of the sea, oh

290
00:15:56.759 --> 00:16:01.679
<v Speaker 2>it's based in Southwold, because it's place that people imagine

291
00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:05.639
<v Speaker 2>the countryside is like, they don't actually imagine it that

292
00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.919
<v Speaker 2>it is that you've got to go to the spa

293
00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:10.879
<v Speaker 2>because that's the only place that you've got to go.

294
00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:14.000
<v Speaker 2>And the reason why you aren't popping up the pub

295
00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.200
<v Speaker 2>is because your local Green Party counselor bought it cheap

296
00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:21.240
<v Speaker 2>and has now turned it into something called the Old

297
00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Roseen Crown. And that's the reality in most countryside is

298
00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:29.200
<v Speaker 2>that you've lost your pubs because no one works on

299
00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:33.159
<v Speaker 2>farms anymore, and if they do, they ain't they're in

300
00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:37.080
<v Speaker 2>enough density to keep a pub going. We used to

301
00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:39.559
<v Speaker 2>have in Finningham, in my little village here, we used

302
00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:43.039
<v Speaker 2>to have a football team who there's an old cutting

303
00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:47.440
<v Speaker 2>in the pub put in behind a in a glass case,

304
00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:51.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Finningham Flyers were. There was a sort

305
00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:53.919
<v Speaker 2>of thing written in nineteen seventy eight how they'd got

306
00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:58.559
<v Speaker 2>promoted the idea that you could get a football team together.

307
00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Now in Finningham, a village of four hundred and thirty souls,

308
00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:09.039
<v Speaker 2>was quite doable back in nineteen seventy eight. Now you

309
00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:11.680
<v Speaker 2>couldn't do that unless it was walking football with a

310
00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:15.160
<v Speaker 2>zimmer frame, as you think, because most people are either

311
00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.839
<v Speaker 2>very nearly dead or actually dead in my village, or

312
00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:21.200
<v Speaker 2>otherwise they've moved here for a feeling of light and

313
00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.640
<v Speaker 2>space and they've bought two cottages and knocked him into

314
00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:28.599
<v Speaker 2>one because much like you say, they've realized it's quite

315
00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.480
<v Speaker 2>cheap here in mid Suffolk compared with the coast, so

316
00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.519
<v Speaker 2>they're now just trying to go and gentrify this place

317
00:17:34.559 --> 00:17:36.759
<v Speaker 2>into a beige color.

318
00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:41.799
<v Speaker 1>What happened in my native county Dutchy Kingdom where we

319
00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:45.079
<v Speaker 1>call it of in the eighties was people started retiring

320
00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.839
<v Speaker 1>from London to there for the cheap houses, and then

321
00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:54.240
<v Speaker 1>that we sort of rolled into either you inherited your

322
00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:57.960
<v Speaker 1>parents' home that they retired to in Cornwall and they

323
00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:01.079
<v Speaker 1>became the family second home, or you then move down

324
00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:03.160
<v Speaker 1>there when you retired after having rented it out for

325
00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:05.799
<v Speaker 1>twenty five years. And there's this constant cycle. And that's

326
00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.599
<v Speaker 1>what's happening up in North Wales now. People retired here

327
00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:12.359
<v Speaker 1>in the nineties and then they started dying off in

328
00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:15.279
<v Speaker 1>the last twenty years, and then new people have come

329
00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:18.359
<v Speaker 1>in to retire into those homes. So it's just this

330
00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:21.359
<v Speaker 1>constant we are sort of the gray tapering out of

331
00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:26.279
<v Speaker 1>the population. It's all come to these rural areas and

332
00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:28.759
<v Speaker 1>it's a massive strain on things like hospitals and stuff

333
00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:32.440
<v Speaker 1>like that because as you get old, you normally have

334
00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:36.279
<v Speaker 1>more contacts with the NHS and services like that, and

335
00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:40.160
<v Speaker 1>it means that the orientation of the economy and local

336
00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:43.880
<v Speaker 1>services goes towards either tourists, people out of work because

337
00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:46.319
<v Speaker 1>there's no industry left, or the elderly. And that's it

338
00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:49.599
<v Speaker 1>and loads year three is just screwed.

339
00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Is it the same in Wales that local authorities have

340
00:18:53.759 --> 00:18:57.400
<v Speaker 2>been handed the battle that they are now responsible for

341
00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:00.279
<v Speaker 2>social care for financing that to.

342
00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.319
<v Speaker 1>Send budget is about to bankrupt our county council.

343
00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I can imagine it here. I mean it's

344
00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:12.480
<v Speaker 2>one of these things. I saw that the latest announcement

345
00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:18.039
<v Speaker 2>from the pole pot of the of Labor that Castle,

346
00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:20.920
<v Speaker 2>the woman who runs the education department, might I have

347
00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.680
<v Speaker 2>a bitter and twisted thing about it because she's slapped

348
00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:28.079
<v Speaker 2>twenty percent VAT on Charlie school fees, which I couldn't

349
00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:30.000
<v Speaker 2>really afford anyway, and now I can even less afford.

350
00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:33.200
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, she's saying, oh, yes, we're going to.

351
00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Incorporate the Suffolk problem.

352
00:19:36.119 --> 00:19:39.759
<v Speaker 3>I know it's a problem. I'm a hedge layer, lot

353
00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:42.119
<v Speaker 3>of hedge fund manager. Yeah.

354
00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:47.839
<v Speaker 2>The challenge that that she's set which in a way

355
00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:50.480
<v Speaker 2>I can get this idea that send kids in a

356
00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:57.319
<v Speaker 2>special educational needs and difficulties or something that rather than

357
00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:02.279
<v Speaker 2>sending them off to specialists schools where they can be helped.

358
00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:05.079
<v Speaker 2>She said that whether she's going to put more resource

359
00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:07.640
<v Speaker 2>throw more money. Quite where that's going to come from,

360
00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:09.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but anyway she's going to throw more

361
00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:14.039
<v Speaker 2>money for true that from the magic money tree. I

362
00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:16.119
<v Speaker 2>think as Gordon Brown in the background with a little

363
00:20:16.400 --> 00:20:20.680
<v Speaker 2>sing and printing money. That's what they've given him is

364
00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:24.160
<v Speaker 2>a job. Now he's retired from mainstream politics. He didn't

365
00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:27.839
<v Speaker 2>take her and he didn't become a lord to stuff

366
00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:31.839
<v Speaker 2>that I'm going to print money anyway, So he's she

367
00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:34.880
<v Speaker 2>said they're going to do that now. It's a fascinating thing,

368
00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:38.039
<v Speaker 2>this idea that you're going to be able to increase

369
00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:43.640
<v Speaker 2>the facilities and teacher numbers for special educational needs. When

370
00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:49.400
<v Speaker 2>you look here in Suffolk we have primary schools which

371
00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:52.279
<v Speaker 2>are still most of them are on the footprint of

372
00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.440
<v Speaker 2>the little old village schools that we had. They then

373
00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:58.799
<v Speaker 2>go and say, well we'll close that schools only are

374
00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:02.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty eight pupils, move all them to that school and

375
00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:04.640
<v Speaker 2>they've still got the same tiny little footprint, but they've

376
00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:06.440
<v Speaker 2>decided that this is the place. But most of the

377
00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:10.200
<v Speaker 2>time their footprint was designed to have sort of forty

378
00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:13.759
<v Speaker 2>to fifty pupils maximum across the whole school. And now

379
00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:17.039
<v Speaker 2>they've managed to shoe horn a hundred kids in. And

380
00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:18.720
<v Speaker 2>now they're going to say, well, everyone who's got a

381
00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.440
<v Speaker 2>special educational need, no only are you going to go

382
00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:25.319
<v Speaker 2>and be sent to this mainstream school, but you're also

383
00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:31.359
<v Speaker 2>going to have a teacher plus a helper, and where

384
00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:34.400
<v Speaker 2>are these how do they physically fit it in. It's

385
00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:40.200
<v Speaker 2>just something which once again the theory is probably quite sound,

386
00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:43.440
<v Speaker 2>is that if you have a child who's got all

387
00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:50.079
<v Speaker 2>the various tisms and NHDT whatever they're called, all that stuff,

388
00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:53.319
<v Speaker 2>I suppose they might get on better if they're with

389
00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:56.559
<v Speaker 2>their peers of kids who don't have that, but they

390
00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:59.519
<v Speaker 2>can't physically fit them in. And then some more on

391
00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:03.960
<v Speaker 2>in the housing department decided that oh, yes, yes, yes,

392
00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:07.480
<v Speaker 2>we're going to build loads more houses in villages. Now

393
00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:11.319
<v Speaker 2>everything's flooded because they've buggered up all the all the

394
00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:14.559
<v Speaker 2>drains because they've now put another one hundred and forty

395
00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:20.559
<v Speaker 2>mock Georgian homes in called something ridiculous like the skylarks.

396
00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Holy here we are the lap wings.

397
00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:25.319
<v Speaker 1>So he's named after things that used to live there before.

398
00:22:25.319 --> 00:22:26.000
<v Speaker 3>You have that house.

399
00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:29.839
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, that's right, and now they've died courtesy of

400
00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:31.359
<v Speaker 2>having this thing there.

401
00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:34.279
<v Speaker 3>And then the view, yes, and then they put on there.

402
00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:38.559
<v Speaker 2>These are four bedroom family homes, so presumingly you're trying

403
00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:42.400
<v Speaker 2>to go and sell them to families who then discover

404
00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:46.519
<v Speaker 2>to their horror that the primary school in their village.

405
00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:48.240
<v Speaker 2>They think it's been nice because we can walk the

406
00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:50.400
<v Speaker 2>kids to school. It's so much nicer than when we

407
00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:54.519
<v Speaker 2>lived in Hartford or Harlowe or somewhere like that. So

408
00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:57.759
<v Speaker 2>now we live here and we've got more house because

409
00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:02.720
<v Speaker 2>it's cheaper. But they've they can't do that because it's

410
00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:05.680
<v Speaker 2>a full and b it's now full of send kids

411
00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:09.920
<v Speaker 2>because Bridget Phillipson's decided that every single child has got

412
00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:12.319
<v Speaker 2>to go and go there. And then they go, let's

413
00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:15.279
<v Speaker 2>walk down to the village shop. Oh shit, that shop,

414
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.440
<v Speaker 2>let's go and drink our sorrows away. We can't because

415
00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:21.200
<v Speaker 2>the local green councilor lives in the old Rosen Crown

416
00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, so they basically turned half the villages in

417
00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:29.799
<v Speaker 2>Suffolk into dormitories and when I become Prime Minister, I'm

418
00:23:29.839 --> 00:23:32.119
<v Speaker 2>going to reverse all that every village.

419
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:35.119
<v Speaker 3>Yes, can you imagine it? Can you imagine it? Yes?

420
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Like you say, we've got the we have a slightly

421
00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:45.079
<v Speaker 1>different situation here because everything has the flavor of Welsh language. Okay,

422
00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:47.880
<v Speaker 1>up on it and you know, do we have lived

423
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:49.960
<v Speaker 1>here a long time? And do we in case you're

424
00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:55.319
<v Speaker 1>shadowed camerag But it's an element within that as well

425
00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:58.240
<v Speaker 1>on top of the end budget, so.

426
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.480
<v Speaker 3>They have to speak Welsh's well.

427
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.480
<v Speaker 1>There are different schools. You have Welsh language schools where

428
00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:06.119
<v Speaker 1>the teaching medium is in Welsh or mostly in Welsh,

429
00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and then you have English language schools which have an

430
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.880
<v Speaker 1>element of Welsh in the education, which means effectively you

431
00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:14.680
<v Speaker 1>can only have funding for two primary schools per area,

432
00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:17.519
<v Speaker 1>and all the other village primary schools close and they

433
00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:19.920
<v Speaker 1>shuttle everyone into like super primary schools.

434
00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

435
00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:23.799
<v Speaker 1>So we've got one at the edge of the town

436
00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:28.799
<v Speaker 1>here which sort of absorbed about four local primary school

437
00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:32.440
<v Speaker 1>so village schools, including the one in hour village now

438
00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:35.720
<v Speaker 1>which is about to become houses. Also that they can

439
00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:37.839
<v Speaker 1>go to one place because it was just the most

440
00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:38.960
<v Speaker 1>efficient way to run it.

441
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Who lobbied for that then, Richard that labor.

442
00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:48.240
<v Speaker 1>Was labor labor here pretty much, but on the send

443
00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:54.440
<v Speaker 1>thing as well. There's an element of diagnosis, an over diagnosis.

444
00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:57.319
<v Speaker 1>And I mean it used to be that if you

445
00:24:57.440 --> 00:24:59.880
<v Speaker 1>were sort of diagnosed with ADHD and you couldn't sit

446
00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:02.440
<v Speaker 1>dill and you kept doing dangerous things, you just went

447
00:25:02.480 --> 00:25:04.359
<v Speaker 1>off to go and have a career in forestry or

448
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:09.079
<v Speaker 1>something like that, or go and join the army you

449
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:15.599
<v Speaker 1>did want to. I've got a friend who works in

450
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.799
<v Speaker 1>the US on he's a veteran and now he works

451
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:22.839
<v Speaker 1>for they called VA Veteran Affairs, so they have their

452
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.559
<v Speaker 1>thing there and he has been on this long study

453
00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:31.519
<v Speaker 1>about PDSD. I am going somewhere with this and diagnosis

454
00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:35.279
<v Speaker 1>of PTSD in the last twenty years in US Armed Forces,

455
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:37.839
<v Speaker 1>and there are sort of two schools of thoughts. One

456
00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:40.920
<v Speaker 1>is that they were at war like we were for

457
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:43.799
<v Speaker 1>twenty five years, so that's why there was a massive uptick.

458
00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Another theory is that your payout of effectively your pension

459
00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:53.559
<v Speaker 1>from the military is linked to the disabilities that you serve.

460
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:58.720
<v Speaker 1>You got from service, the service related injuries, so tinatous

461
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 1>is one brain injury, bad hip, all these things, yeah

462
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:09.279
<v Speaker 1>exact say, and if the difference between a eighty percent

463
00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:13.680
<v Speaker 1>payout and a ninety five percent payout is PTSD and

464
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:15.279
<v Speaker 1>it's going to have no one would affect in the

465
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:21.000
<v Speaker 1>rest of your life. There is an encouragement to have

466
00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:25.279
<v Speaker 1>a PTSD diagnosis, is what they found. So for here

467
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:31.599
<v Speaker 1>for Send, there is a theory that if basically your

468
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:35.839
<v Speaker 1>child is fighting for resources in the public school, in

469
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:40.759
<v Speaker 1>the state school system, any edge they can gain in

470
00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:43.839
<v Speaker 1>terms of support, in terms of extra time in exams,

471
00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:47.720
<v Speaker 1>in terms of everything else might lead to an encouragement

472
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:50.440
<v Speaker 1>of diagnosis. I'm not saying that's necessarily the case, but

473
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:56.240
<v Speaker 1>that is one of the theories about parents encouraging a

474
00:26:56.400 --> 00:27:00.559
<v Speaker 1>SEND diagnosis for their child, And that's why it ballooned.

475
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 2>It makes sense because it does seem that there's a

476
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:08.000
<v Speaker 2>disproportionate amount of kids now with it compared with what

477
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:09.599
<v Speaker 2>person Remember.

478
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:12.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if I was a kid now, that's a

479
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:14.279
<v Speaker 1>very difficult thing to imagine. But if I was a

480
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:18.799
<v Speaker 1>child now with my gray beard and different parents, I

481
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:20.920
<v Speaker 1>think I would have gone to I could even put

482
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:25.480
<v Speaker 1>towards that diagnosis. But I have not had that diagnosis,

483
00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:27.440
<v Speaker 1>and that's what I put on every medical form, but

484
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:32.720
<v Speaker 1>the the I suspect my brain is wired that way.

485
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.279
<v Speaker 1>But it's just part of life for me. And there's

486
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.079
<v Speaker 1>a whole generation that sort of I think I was

487
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the last generation that had that, and then after that

488
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:46.480
<v Speaker 1>it's become part of an identity you had. But this

489
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:50.599
<v Speaker 1>is the sort of thing that would maybe getters thrown

490
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:53.039
<v Speaker 1>out of a political debate, you know, this sort of

491
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:57.319
<v Speaker 1>conversation because it's we're talking outside the norms of political discussion,

492
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:02.920
<v Speaker 1>aren't we. So let's this is a ship segue. I'm

493
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:04.319
<v Speaker 1>trying to do it. I'm trying to do it now.

494
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to get into the segue here of getting

495
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:07.559
<v Speaker 1>us through into.

496
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:09.759
<v Speaker 3>With your DHD waves.

497
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Come on, I thought i'd do better than this. Which

498
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.400
<v Speaker 1>which of the political parties that we're looking at right

499
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:20.920
<v Speaker 1>now that might be taken over us that you know,

500
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:23.599
<v Speaker 1>when we are in our next war in the Middle East,

501
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:24.920
<v Speaker 1>who will be the prime minister?

502
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:25.160
<v Speaker 3>Then?

503
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:30.000
<v Speaker 1>What color rosette while they were? How do they stack

504
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>up against each other in terms of things actually matter

505
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:35.319
<v Speaker 1>to us in our podcast?

506
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is the I believe the most important question

507
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.240
<v Speaker 2>you asked, Yes.

508
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:49.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm a writer, you know exactly. It does all wonderful things.

509
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 3>If he comes offrom mushrooms, so he's rubbish.

510
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:53.519
<v Speaker 1>If we're going to have five five attempts at it and

511
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>be able to edit it in word whatever.

512
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:55.799
<v Speaker 3>We'll do that.

513
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:57.799
<v Speaker 2>If we were one of those really posh podcasts, we're

514
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.720
<v Speaker 2>go and cut Amy, Let's go and try it again. Yeah,

515
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.759
<v Speaker 2>but we're not. We are shooting from the hip. I

516
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:10.200
<v Speaker 2>think it's an important question. Richard, the poor old man,

517
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:13.759
<v Speaker 2>drink more cider. You'll be fine. I've just realized this

518
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:17.759
<v Speaker 2>is seven point nine proof. Seven point three.

519
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:19.039
<v Speaker 3>Gosh, that's very strong.

520
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I think it's very important because obviously we have

521
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:28.559
<v Speaker 2>just had the Gorton and Denton by election who was

522
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:33.920
<v Speaker 2>which is won by the Greens, and I bizarrely have

523
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.680
<v Speaker 2>a green MP here in the Waveny Valley, and I

524
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:42.440
<v Speaker 2>have to say, I don't know Hannah Watsonface, the greyhound

525
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:44.839
<v Speaker 2>owner from Gorton and Denton.

526
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>The property portfolioty.

527
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 2>Portfolio plumber, how green she is? I don't know, because

528
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:55.359
<v Speaker 2>the problem is is that they never actually say anything

529
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.119
<v Speaker 2>that is green. They don't talk about anything. I mean,

530
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:05.279
<v Speaker 2>I actually used Ai under your sort of advice to

531
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:09.799
<v Speaker 2>look at stuff, and I just typed in, according to Hansard,

532
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:17.440
<v Speaker 2>how often has Adrian Ramsey mentioned gaza in questions or

533
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:22.279
<v Speaker 2>speeches in the House of Commons? And it came up

534
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.359
<v Speaker 2>with a lot, And I said, how often has he

535
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:29.559
<v Speaker 2>mentioned agricultural property relief? Bearing in mind he is the

536
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:35.279
<v Speaker 2>MP for the most agricultural constituency in England And it

537
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:39.039
<v Speaker 2>said once, And it then goes and gives you all

538
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:41.279
<v Speaker 2>the various sort of links to what he's talked about,

539
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:44.079
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, well, actually, if you think about as

540
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:48.480
<v Speaker 2>a constituency MP, that's poor because this is the thing

541
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.559
<v Speaker 2>that actually makes this ultimately. Farming is important here because

542
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.279
<v Speaker 2>most of the ancillary jobs in some way, shape or

543
00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.960
<v Speaker 2>form related to farming. You know, if you look at

544
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:05.160
<v Speaker 2>the largest employers around here, they're chicken factories, duck factories,

545
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:10.119
<v Speaker 2>grain factories, malting factories, and that's about it, you know,

546
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:14.440
<v Speaker 2>other than farming. So they all need farming. But secondly,

547
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>then I looked into actually environmental concerns and a lot

548
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:23.440
<v Speaker 2>of his environmental concerns weren't locally based. They were talking

549
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:28.119
<v Speaker 2>about farrowing crates, which we don't actually have the pharaoh

550
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.039
<v Speaker 2>and crazy. He was complaining about a lot of his

551
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>staff was based upon Green Manifesto policies. And he did

552
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:44.039
<v Speaker 2>mutter a bit about rural dentistry. He hasn't done nothing

553
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.039
<v Speaker 2>about it. There's no more dentists have suddenly appeared since

554
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:50.559
<v Speaker 2>he's come in. He talked about buses, which is quite

555
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:54.559
<v Speaker 2>funny because I actually bothered speaking to the man who

556
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 2>runs the local galowaies, the local bus company, and I said,

557
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, run Galloway, you know, not George.

558
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:02.400
<v Speaker 3>Now.

559
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:04.599
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say it's an unfortunate association.

560
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:06.799
<v Speaker 2>He's a funny man with a true we hat on. Yeah,

561
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:10.119
<v Speaker 2>it's sort of shaking his fill in politics. Yes, I

562
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:13.799
<v Speaker 2>asked him. I said, you know, could you actually run

563
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.400
<v Speaker 2>more buses? And he said, not on your nell. He said,

564
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:19.240
<v Speaker 2>because every single rural bus service that we run runs

565
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>at a loss. And the any reason we run them

566
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:24.839
<v Speaker 2>is because we have got the schools contract and anyway

567
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>we can get the school's contract is to run the

568
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Speaker 2>rural bus service for the old deers and one or

569
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.279
<v Speaker 2>two students who might use it, or people who are

570
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:36.400
<v Speaker 2>currently under a driving band due to their lax adherence

571
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>to the drink driving rules and you know, when you

572
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 2>think about it, most of the questions that he's asked

573
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.000
<v Speaker 2>here have got no relevance to us and the Green

574
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:53.319
<v Speaker 2>ideal because we are arguably should be manner from heaven

575
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:56.279
<v Speaker 2>for him, because we're a big farming community. We've got

576
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:59.960
<v Speaker 2>lots and lots of farms here who are environmentally saying.

577
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:03.400
<v Speaker 2>So I would say, in answer to your question, certainly

578
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:09.039
<v Speaker 2>not the Greens. Who would you think might represent our credo?

579
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:10.079
<v Speaker 3>Richard?

580
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 1>This is my problem with all of this because I

581
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:17.480
<v Speaker 1>know we talk. You know, people think they listen to

582
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>us talk and they assume our politics. I think a

583
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:24.079
<v Speaker 1>lot of the time I am I am at the

584
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>point of dirtying my ballot next time because I am

585
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>dismayed with the whole system. Not because I think that

586
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:37.279
<v Speaker 1>you know that there is there's no point in a

587
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:42.640
<v Speaker 1>democratic process, but just because nothing I see aligns with

588
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:46.759
<v Speaker 1>what I think. So anything, any vote or any backing

589
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:51.039
<v Speaker 1>would have to be the least worst option. I suppose

590
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.680
<v Speaker 1>what party politics always has been is the you find

591
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:57.640
<v Speaker 1>the one that's that's least worst and then go for

592
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:02.599
<v Speaker 1>that unless you are are you effectively are in that tribe,

593
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:04.720
<v Speaker 1>and it is a tribal thing you've always done that thing.

594
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.079
<v Speaker 1>Your family's always voted Labor, you've always been a Tory,

595
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.519
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, and you just vote along with that

596
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:13.360
<v Speaker 1>because it's part of your identity. The well, that's something.

597
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:18.159
<v Speaker 1>Let's run through the parties here, so we have the

598
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:21.239
<v Speaker 1>ones currently in government, we have the Labor Party. So

599
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.440
<v Speaker 1>we've got big ed or little ed very much into

600
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 1>the net zero. Yeah, so this is this is one

601
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.960
<v Speaker 1>of the first things is that is net zero everyone

602
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:34.400
<v Speaker 1>has decided is a green issue.

603
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:35.119
<v Speaker 3>Mhm.

604
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.280
<v Speaker 1>It's really it's a resource issue. It's a pot resource

605
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.480
<v Speaker 1>policy issue, but it's not. It is green in the

606
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:48.360
<v Speaker 1>sense that it affects things like the atmosphere and stuff

607
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:52.960
<v Speaker 1>like that, and it's not I'm trying to dodge around

608
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.119
<v Speaker 1>the the wording here that basically it completely removes It

609
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:01.599
<v Speaker 1>ignores everything like pollution, habitat loss, habitat disturbed, removal of

610
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>species from a landscape, changes in policy. That means that

611
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:10.119
<v Speaker 1>nature itself is actually further down the order of priority

612
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>for any business or any landowner or anything else like

613
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.920
<v Speaker 1>that because the pushes towards net zero. But it's always

614
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 1>painted as this renewable energy, low greenhouse emissions and low

615
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 1>carbon emission will effectively fix everything else. I don't. I

616
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.320
<v Speaker 1>still don't follow how that's going to work. But you

617
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:38.320
<v Speaker 1>have that and then the biodiversity side of things, and

618
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:42.559
<v Speaker 1>that it's there are policies. I think there has been

619
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.639
<v Speaker 1>some labor support for the beavers and through rewilding, but

620
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:47.960
<v Speaker 1>that tends to per MP level.

621
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Rather they dip their toe in the water. I think

622
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:55.480
<v Speaker 2>because they were surprised. I mean they had eighty some

623
00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:01.280
<v Speaker 2>odd mystery MPs suddenly here and went, what with one

624
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.320
<v Speaker 2>of these rural seats? And they had no idea. I mean,

625
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.440
<v Speaker 2>we've got to chap up the road from us. Who

626
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 2>is in? He won the seat from Liz Truss southwest.

627
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.679
<v Speaker 3>North of a guy called the hospital Pass. Really yeah,

628
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 3>I know Terry Jermy labor MP. Sorry Terry Jermy j E.

629
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:23.760
<v Speaker 2>R M y.

630
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Is he a character from viz?

631
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:26.559
<v Speaker 3>It does?

632
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Terry Jermy. He's very Jermy. He's currently got cold. He

633
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:37.519
<v Speaker 2>looks a bit like a bus driver like he's sort

634
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.599
<v Speaker 2>of but he's a younger bus driver. But to give

635
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:43.280
<v Speaker 2>him his jew now, I'm going to lay my cards

636
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:47.719
<v Speaker 2>on the table here. I hate with every fiber of

637
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:51.960
<v Speaker 2>my being socialism because I just think it's an antithesis

638
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.920
<v Speaker 2>to what freedom really is.

639
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.440
<v Speaker 3>But I can still.

640
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 2>I can still hold my tongue when I hear someone

641
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>who thinks, okay, you believe in what you're talking. And

642
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:09.199
<v Speaker 2>he said to me when I actually interviewed him, he said,

643
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think I was going to win this. I

644
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:12.639
<v Speaker 2>never thought I was going to because when when they

645
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 2>announced it, he said, if you look at the film

646
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>of when they sort of cut too on election night

647
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.079
<v Speaker 2>and they said and it said Jermy and went, shit,

648
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:25.519
<v Speaker 2>I've won, and he went, it just doesn't happen here

649
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:28.920
<v Speaker 2>in southwest Norfolk. It's blue and that's it. And he won.

650
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 2>His advisor is a former deputy head of the Norfolk

651
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:39.159
<v Speaker 2>Wildlife Trust, and I hasten to add the Norfolk Wildlife

652
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Trust aren't complete buffoons like the Suffolk Wildlife Trust who are.

653
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Speaker 2>But and he is now his constituency officer. And when

654
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 2>I spoke to him when we went to go and

655
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:57.239
<v Speaker 2>lobby about agricultural property relief, Terry Jermy is an old

656
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:01.639
<v Speaker 2>fashioned socialist. He's believe he would certainly be more on

657
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.119
<v Speaker 2>the left, but he realized that he was representing a

658
00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:09.519
<v Speaker 2>very agricultural constituency and to give him his due. In

659
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:14.199
<v Speaker 2>the APR vote what they call it something fifty sub

660
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:18.480
<v Speaker 2>section fifty vote on it, He abstained. I know there

661
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:21.599
<v Speaker 2>was that chap up in Cumbria voted again it. But

662
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I spoke to toe Germany.

663
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 3>He said.

664
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Look, he said, I think this is a bonker's idea,

665
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>and I know that my constituents aren't actually these fat

666
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.119
<v Speaker 2>cats that the chancellor is claiming they are, he said.

667
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 2>But if I vote against it, I will be expelled

668
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.760
<v Speaker 2>from the party. He said, So therefore, if I'm going

669
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:43.599
<v Speaker 2>to actually vote, use my vote wisely and lobby from

670
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.039
<v Speaker 2>within the party, I have. The best I can do

671
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.320
<v Speaker 2>is abstain. And I thought I can buy that that

672
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.039
<v Speaker 2>is a sense of you know, the fact of how

673
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.400
<v Speaker 2>politics works is so stupid, is that if they tell

674
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:56.159
<v Speaker 2>you you've got to vote this way and you say no.

675
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I think my constituents say the majority of them things,

676
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:01.920
<v Speaker 2>this is a bad idea. So therefo I'm going to

677
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.320
<v Speaker 2>represent my constituency, you would be expelled from your party.

678
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.400
<v Speaker 2>So the best he could do was abstain. And I

679
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:14.480
<v Speaker 2>believe he has looked tried to as best as he

680
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:18.639
<v Speaker 2>humanly can to within being a labor and Pete to

681
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:24.519
<v Speaker 2>look after farming in his constituency. But is he truly

682
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.360
<v Speaker 2>a friend of nature. Well, he's a friend of nature

683
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 2>in the respect that he slightly gets blindsided by oh, rewilding.

684
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I mean is that he would

685
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:39.000
<v Speaker 2>be a be beaver botherer. He would think that's a

686
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:39.599
<v Speaker 2>good idea.

687
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:43.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it's there's a kind of a global

688
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:47.119
<v Speaker 1>messaging as well that certain things are just better. Planting

689
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:51.800
<v Speaker 1>trees are better, reintroduction of species is better. But nobody

690
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.400
<v Speaker 1>really wants to expend the dopamine of looking into why

691
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.320
<v Speaker 1>is it better? What effect will it have? Will it

692
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>actually work in the real world where humans live, or

693
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:01.159
<v Speaker 1>will only work on paper?

694
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 3>You know?

695
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:06.519
<v Speaker 1>And if one more person mentions yellowstone wolves and landscapes

696
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>to me, I'm going to nail the foot to the

697
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:13.280
<v Speaker 1>floor because it didn't work. Then that's not the narrative.

698
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Isn't what you see in the meme or the little

699
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Facebook post or whatever.

700
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:19.440
<v Speaker 2>And if you want to know what the tories are like,

701
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.000
<v Speaker 2>just look at Ben Goldsmith, because he seems to think

702
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.440
<v Speaker 2>that as long as you throw exotic species that died

703
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:27.360
<v Speaker 2>out here before the ice age, is all going to

704
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:27.920
<v Speaker 2>be brilliant.

705
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there's this rest of you know that is

706
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:33.719
<v Speaker 1>a thing for a lot of the real green advocates

707
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:36.320
<v Speaker 1>in parties, there is sort of this vague assertion that

708
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.119
<v Speaker 1>if you return to an earlier state, everything was better,

709
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:42.360
<v Speaker 1>which I can agree with. But as I've mentioned in

710
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:44.519
<v Speaker 1>previous podcasts, what are we going to do with the

711
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.280
<v Speaker 1>population density of humans that we have that already exists

712
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:49.239
<v Speaker 1>in that space and need it for it? You know

713
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.039
<v Speaker 1>the other economic things you have? Are we going to

714
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:56.000
<v Speaker 1>start culling? Are we going to start removing people forcibly?

715
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Are we going to have a massive population reduction program

716
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:03.280
<v Speaker 1>over the next two three centuries? Like you know, is

717
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:07.159
<v Speaker 1>this a Thomas Malthus supported green policy, which is this

718
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.360
<v Speaker 1>idea that there are too many people we need to

719
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:12.840
<v Speaker 1>protect our resources and go and remove them. That is

720
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.920
<v Speaker 1>often the way that some of these policies would work

721
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.920
<v Speaker 1>is if there weren't people in the way. And that's

722
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:23.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of the problem with socialism as well, because utterly

723
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:27.840
<v Speaker 1>it works on paper assuming that humans don't have a

724
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.400
<v Speaker 1>say in it, But the moment humans and human nature

725
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:33.800
<v Speaker 1>actually comes into it, is it Hobbes is a hobbesy

726
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 1>and things, which is basically, which is basically you're all

727
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.159
<v Speaker 1>you're born as savages and you have to Civilization is

728
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 1>something that you learn and you develop and has to

729
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:47.760
<v Speaker 1>be earned within your lifetime. That that is true human nature,

730
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:53.480
<v Speaker 1>and that that's why socialism only works in this ideal

731
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.880
<v Speaker 1>petridish world, but the other end doesn't work as well.

732
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.199
<v Speaker 1>So instead you have to have this muddy mix in between,

733
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:05.199
<v Speaker 1>which is effectively old school English liberalism, yeah, which is

734
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:06.239
<v Speaker 1>somewhere bit of both.

735
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:10.719
<v Speaker 2>So therefore, I think the interesting thing, so who then

736
00:42:10.880 --> 00:42:17.199
<v Speaker 2>represents the country slide listenership best is that I don't

737
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:20.480
<v Speaker 2>think it can be labor because they are just too urban.

738
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.679
<v Speaker 2>They are a result of urban and they will always

739
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:25.440
<v Speaker 2>default to that.

740
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:26.480
<v Speaker 3>It can't be the.

741
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Greens because they're clearly nutters. I mean, they are not green.

742
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Speaker 2>In actual fact, I put a thing on Twitter today

743
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.480
<v Speaker 2>is that I was looking at some of the stuff

744
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.480
<v Speaker 2>in the aftermath of the Iran shenanigans.

745
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:42.239
<v Speaker 3>That's going on.

746
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:44.280
<v Speaker 1>We're still going on.

747
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, well when this comes live, I mean it

748
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:51.320
<v Speaker 2>may be the fact that Iran, No, wasn't that a country.

749
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.400
<v Speaker 1>If you're listening to this as a patron on Thursday,

750
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:56.440
<v Speaker 1>don't look at the flash.

751
00:42:56.039 --> 00:43:00.719
<v Speaker 2>No boom, Look at that. Yeah, this could be the

752
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:01.960
<v Speaker 2>last voices you ever hear.

753
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:02.920
<v Speaker 3>Isn't that awful?

754
00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:08.519
<v Speaker 2>The thought is that basically it's Brita and me the

755
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:09.760
<v Speaker 2>last things you're.

756
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Here threads film the bomb on Sheffield. I didn't see

757
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:14.280
<v Speaker 1>that bit.

758
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Of a two idiots. I'm going to be the one

759
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:25.880
<v Speaker 2>key looking traffic warden anyway, I don't the Greens. They're

760
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.320
<v Speaker 2>clearly not environmental. I'm sure at some point they were.

761
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:33.039
<v Speaker 2>I think they're quite environmental when they were the British

762
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Union of Fascists, you know, backwards where they started.

763
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Their Wikipedia article sort of seems to suggest that

764
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:41.920
<v Speaker 1>they started in the seventies out of nowhere.

765
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, funny that isn't it thirties? No, they ignored all

766
00:43:45.639 --> 00:43:48.440
<v Speaker 2>the thirties bit. That's a bit uncomfortable, you know. It's

767
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:53.440
<v Speaker 2>funny because of course I live one village away from

768
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:57.800
<v Speaker 2>where the Soil Association was founded, and there is an

769
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Eve Balfer Way, because of course Ive Balfa being the

770
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:08.440
<v Speaker 2>founder of the Soil Association. What they don't have in

771
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:13.440
<v Speaker 2>that particular village is the jury and jenks Lane, who

772
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.440
<v Speaker 2>was the person who actually wrote all her stuff down

773
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:19.679
<v Speaker 2>and put it into a manifesto because Juri and Jenks

774
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.920
<v Speaker 2>was the agricultural advisor for the British Union of Fascists

775
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 2>under Moseley. And if you do remind the Greens that

776
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:29.000
<v Speaker 2>they started off from a bunch of fascists and haven't

777
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:32.400
<v Speaker 2>really changed very much since then, they get really irate.

778
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.599
<v Speaker 3>So let's park them with labor.

779
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:40.239
<v Speaker 2>They're not anything really because although there are a few

780
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:44.559
<v Speaker 2>outliers like Terry Jermy and that chap up north with

781
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:48.000
<v Speaker 2>a double barreled name whose father does happen to be

782
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:51.480
<v Speaker 2>quite a large farmer, which might help if we're.

783
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.199
<v Speaker 1>A real podcast, would have worked out his name.

784
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:54.519
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember it.

785
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:58.199
<v Speaker 2>It's some ridiculous sort of double barrowed name, which probably

786
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.119
<v Speaker 2>really was the only stumbling block that he had.

787
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, George Baron Sandy, that's it.

788
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Yes, fineal working class name, So you got him. But

789
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:14.079
<v Speaker 2>then you come to the Conservatives. Now I don't trust

790
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:17.360
<v Speaker 2>the Conservatives anymore because although we are used to be

791
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:21.119
<v Speaker 2>a card carrying Tory, I thought, do you know what

792
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:26.280
<v Speaker 2>really did it for me was that arguably the greenest

793
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:29.039
<v Speaker 2>party that we have had in the sort of modern

794
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:34.840
<v Speaker 2>context of Greens has been the Tories under Bloody Boris Johnson,

795
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.079
<v Speaker 2>but I mean they were the ones who are actually

796
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:42.079
<v Speaker 2>doing proper sort of environmental stuff. They almost turned elms

797
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:46.039
<v Speaker 2>into some sort of batshit mental stuff. But when it

798
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.400
<v Speaker 2>came to a sort of people who actually perhaps were

799
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:53.519
<v Speaker 2>funding farming properly, they were I think Michie Sunak and

800
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Michael Gove when he was deaferent Minister and one of

801
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:58.719
<v Speaker 2>two of those sorts of people I'm talking about, not

802
00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:04.480
<v Speaker 2>in the distance past currently they weren't too shoddy. They

803
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:08.239
<v Speaker 2>sort of treated the countryside farming and its industries and

804
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:13.840
<v Speaker 2>its people like we weren't three headed monsters. But then

805
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:17.719
<v Speaker 2>when it was announced that DEFRA realized that they were

806
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.719
<v Speaker 2>a bit shit and that none of their people knew

807
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:24.920
<v Speaker 2>a flipping plow from a hat stand, and said, well,

808
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:27.679
<v Speaker 2>we're going to go and teach them how to go

809
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.079
<v Speaker 2>and know a plow from a hat stand, and we're

810
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:34.079
<v Speaker 2>going to send them off to Loddington under the GWC

811
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.239
<v Speaker 2>to go and learn it. The Tories are such a

812
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:41.920
<v Speaker 2>bunch of ars wipes that all they could do was

813
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:46.960
<v Speaker 2>winge because they were actually improving the knowledge of DEPHRA.

814
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Speaker 2>And I can't remember the name of the shadow Defhora Minister.

815
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:55.880
<v Speaker 2>But she's a complete buffoon as well, because she's just

816
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 2>any opportunity to go and say, oh, well, the labor

817
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:03.599
<v Speaker 2>are rubbish. They can never say that's quite a sensible idea. Actually, yes,

818
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:07.199
<v Speaker 2>spending six hundred and fifty grand in improving the knowledge

819
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:13.880
<v Speaker 2>base of the Dephrah civil servants is a poor is

820
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:15.480
<v Speaker 2>a waste of money. How can it be a waste

821
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:18.280
<v Speaker 2>of money? Yes, it's easy to say, yes, you should

822
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:20.960
<v Speaker 2>recruit from all loads of people who've sort of a

823
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:23.480
<v Speaker 2>farmer's sons and daughters and they've done three years at

824
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Harper Adams. Yes, that would be the idea, But that

825
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:28.840
<v Speaker 2>hasn't happened. So therefore you've got all these people, so

826
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 2>try and train them so they actually do understand a

827
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 2>little bit about farming and the countryside and conservation. So

828
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.559
<v Speaker 2>let's send them to Loddington. I mean, can you imagine

829
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:39.639
<v Speaker 2>if Labour had turned around and said we're going to

830
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:45.440
<v Speaker 2>send them to RSBP Hope farm Will it'd be disastrous.

831
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.400
<v Speaker 2>But at least they're sending them off to a sensible

832
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:51.239
<v Speaker 2>place like Loddington where they can see it all there.

833
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:55.079
<v Speaker 2>But oh no, the shadow Defhorah minister had to go

834
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:59.000
<v Speaker 2>and say that, oh, this was a profligate waste of money.

835
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.280
<v Speaker 3>No, we're finally left with reform.

836
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes, where are they at Richard, Well, basically as far

837
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:09.599
<v Speaker 1>as I can tell, because they've got virtually no policy

838
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:13.960
<v Speaker 1>information out there. Anything, anything that's a hint of climate

839
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 1>and nature is a bit too expensive, so we're not

840
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:20.320
<v Speaker 1>going to do it. Seems to be their overarching theory.

841
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:22.519
<v Speaker 1>And that's something I wonder if we're going to see

842
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.559
<v Speaker 1>put to the test in Wales in May, because we've

843
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:27.920
<v Speaker 1>got our elections coming up soon and pretty much the

844
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.079
<v Speaker 1>predictions here are it's either going to be reform applied

845
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:34.119
<v Speaker 1>or reform implied. Labor who have been in power in

846
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Wales ever since devolution twenty years ago, they are going

847
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:42.960
<v Speaker 1>to be wiped out. So if and this is something

848
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.559
<v Speaker 1>that is you know, because my work increasingly involves a

849
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:49.000
<v Speaker 1>bit of you know, stuff that is funded by policy

850
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.079
<v Speaker 1>and funded by land management and things like that, a

851
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:56.280
<v Speaker 1>bit like yours. We've got our sustainable farming scheme here,

852
00:48:56.360 --> 00:49:00.159
<v Speaker 1>which is s FI on steroids. It actually looks quite good,

853
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.440
<v Speaker 1>but it's going to be quite expensive, so it would

854
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:06.679
<v Speaker 1>be a very easy thing for reform to come into

855
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.000
<v Speaker 1>in Wales and say, well, you see this really expensive

856
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:10.960
<v Speaker 1>farming scheme, we're just going to get rid of it

857
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:12.480
<v Speaker 1>and instead we're going to go back to how it

858
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 1>used to work, which is if you've got two thousand sheep,

859
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.559
<v Speaker 1>we're going to pay you per sheep, and that's and

860
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:23.679
<v Speaker 1>headage payments. It's a real possibility, so much so that

861
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:28.239
<v Speaker 1>natural Resources Whales, our sort of our natural england aren't

862
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:30.039
<v Speaker 1>just kind of said they're not going to do that

863
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.239
<v Speaker 1>much or make any policy changes, or make any massive

864
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:34.239
<v Speaker 1>changes until May. They're going to see what money they

865
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:38.119
<v Speaker 1>actually have. Yeah, unless all they're going to do is

866
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe a retreat from a responsibility and say they're not

867
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:42.920
<v Speaker 1>going to do something that they used to do. So

868
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:51.159
<v Speaker 1>I think with reform, it's particularly for reform voters if

869
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:55.320
<v Speaker 1>you go via social media, reverse or from anything that's

870
00:49:55.360 --> 00:50:00.199
<v Speaker 1>expensive and hard work would actually be their policy. Say

871
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:03.159
<v Speaker 1>we'll climate change net zero is expensive and stupid, We're

872
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:05.079
<v Speaker 1>not going to do it. Instead, we're going to drill, baby, drill,

873
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.639
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to open up the north Sea oil fields,

874
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 1>which actually, given the current war, might not be the

875
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:15.000
<v Speaker 1>worst idea as well as much again, it will be

876
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:19.039
<v Speaker 1>seen as this will provide jobs and provide income, and

877
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:20.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who would vote reform and may

878
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:24.280
<v Speaker 1>be skeptical of anything involving climate policy. So the same

879
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:29.800
<v Speaker 1>thing for environmental laws, anything that seemed as being red tape.

880
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.360
<v Speaker 1>You can almost say the only things they'll keep are

881
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:38.000
<v Speaker 1>anything that was portrayed positively in Clarkson's Farm. That's my bet.

882
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.880
<v Speaker 1>If clarks and Farm made it sound good, they'll keep it.

883
00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:44.519
<v Speaker 1>If the Clarkson's Farm made it sound like red tape

884
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and needless bureaucratic mess, then they'll get rid of it.

885
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:52.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean this is we know people

886
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:56.000
<v Speaker 1>involved in some of the policy making for this, but

887
00:50:57.199 --> 00:50:59.840
<v Speaker 1>as we also know what is written in policy before

888
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the election and what actually manifests six weeks later are

889
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:05.920
<v Speaker 1>often very very different things.

890
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, indeed, do you know, I think you are nailed

891
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:18.199
<v Speaker 2>on and the problem is you take them back. I

892
00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:23.800
<v Speaker 2>think I think the biggest challenge that reform has is

893
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:29.960
<v Speaker 2>that people currently want them because they are different, yes,

894
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:34.199
<v Speaker 2>and they have looked at the Greens and they go, no,

895
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:38.840
<v Speaker 2>you're just weird, and that I think Gordon Denton is

896
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:43.320
<v Speaker 2>probably going to be an absolute wake up call in

897
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.039
<v Speaker 2>that a lot of people went that is terrible. You know,

898
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:51.000
<v Speaker 2>how on earth could the Green Party play such court

899
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:56.920
<v Speaker 2>to a sort of a religious based group of individuals

900
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:01.320
<v Speaker 2>who clearly are not progressive of the left.

901
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:04.440
<v Speaker 1>It's a balkanization of British politics.

902
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:09.639
<v Speaker 2>Correct, correct, completely bonkers. So therefore, this is my suggestion

903
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:13.719
<v Speaker 2>to listeners of Countryside. I am going off tomorrow, so

904
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:16.079
<v Speaker 2>when you hear this, I'll have already been. But I'm

905
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:18.960
<v Speaker 2>going off tomorrow to a meeting. This is why we're

906
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:21.320
<v Speaker 2>recording this actually on a Monday. I'm going off to

907
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.519
<v Speaker 2>literally explains a linear nature of time.

908
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:24.639
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it's time.

909
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:28.519
<v Speaker 2>It stretches a bit like that that Bloka used to

910
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:31.599
<v Speaker 2>be in that band in the nineties. You said things

911
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:34.280
<v Speaker 2>could only get better and outstairs at the stars.

912
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:36.199
<v Speaker 3>How wrong was he? The mug?

913
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:41.000
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I'm going off to a meeting of reform

914
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.760
<v Speaker 2>because I'm of the opinion is that if you are

915
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and we have lots of people who actually work hands

916
00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:51.840
<v Speaker 2>on in the countryside doing proper stuff. You know, we

917
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:54.840
<v Speaker 2>have foresters, we have farmers, we have gamekeepers, we have

918
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:58.760
<v Speaker 2>people who put in more to the countryside than they

919
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:04.599
<v Speaker 2>take out. And I think you should because it's likely

920
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:06.599
<v Speaker 2>the reform are going to be in the shakeup for

921
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:10.440
<v Speaker 2>the next government, and I think they're still looking around

922
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:17.039
<v Speaker 2>for policy, and I think they're looking around for authentic voices.

923
00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:19.679
<v Speaker 2>But I think most importantly where you really hit the

924
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:23.920
<v Speaker 2>nail line is that they want stuff which is cheap

925
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:26.519
<v Speaker 2>or at least gives value for money so they can

926
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:28.679
<v Speaker 2>see a return it. It's not just all cuddly and

927
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:32.880
<v Speaker 2>fluffy or just different to what the last government did.

928
00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:35.800
<v Speaker 3>And so therefore, if you've got the.

929
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Data that hedge laying increases these bird numbers by that, yeah,

930
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:42.840
<v Speaker 2>well I don't really care about birds.

931
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Ah.

932
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:46.360
<v Speaker 2>But it also goes and access with a capillary effect,

933
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:50.280
<v Speaker 2>so therefore it retains moisture, it stops soil erosion, and

934
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:54.360
<v Speaker 2>it also reduced costs in filtration of water because it

935
00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:58.800
<v Speaker 2>reduces night rate runoff. They go good like it, and

936
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:00.360
<v Speaker 2>then you come up with a policy. Do you like

937
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.400
<v Speaker 2>the idea of But do you know what, I don't

938
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:05.360
<v Speaker 2>think everyone should be paying for this, but all these

939
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:07.760
<v Speaker 2>people who want to bask in the reflected glory of

940
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 2>a Greenham pleasant land that is England or Wales or Scotland.

941
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:14.519
<v Speaker 2>That if you're a company who wants to go and

942
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:18.760
<v Speaker 2>slap green and pleasant land on your branding. Then you

943
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.559
<v Speaker 2>can fund this and you will be rewarded through the

944
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:26.280
<v Speaker 2>taxation system of corporate tax. And if you went and

945
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:30.920
<v Speaker 2>suggested something like that to reform, they might go, Okay,

946
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.639
<v Speaker 2>scheme me that out. Then, mister forester, tell me how

947
00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:36.400
<v Speaker 2>that you think of our forestry guys. You know, we've

948
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:38.679
<v Speaker 2>got a lot of people who work in woods who

949
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:41.840
<v Speaker 2>listen to us, and they're always complaining.

950
00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Quite right legitimately rather than just resolutely.

951
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, then you've got a new bunch of politicians

952
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:52.280
<v Speaker 2>here who actually haven't a bloody scooby doo about a

953
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff because they're all like bankers and business

954
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:59.400
<v Speaker 2>people who do stuff who don't really understand where wood

955
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.119
<v Speaker 2>comes from. We'll go and tell them and tell them

956
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.880
<v Speaker 2>what the need is, give them a few facts and figures.

957
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.440
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to go off to a reform meeting

958
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.239
<v Speaker 2>and go and listen to some ex copper going and

959
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:12.320
<v Speaker 2>signed worlds that we used to beat up all the

960
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:14.920
<v Speaker 2>legs in London and go and say we haven't got

961
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:17.679
<v Speaker 2>any legs here. What we do of as hair courses

962
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:21.119
<v Speaker 2>and people who nick red diesel, So right, Nick, all them,

963
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:23.519
<v Speaker 2>that's fine. But what I really want to tell you

964
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:29.000
<v Speaker 2>about is this, And I think you've got to for once,

965
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:34.280
<v Speaker 2>probably in a generation, two generations, probably for the first time,

966
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:38.599
<v Speaker 2>for since the Labor Party started, you've got the opportunity,

967
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:42.000
<v Speaker 2>as a layman, as a joe public to go to

968
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:47.000
<v Speaker 2>a party and say, I think this is a policy

969
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:49.239
<v Speaker 2>you should run and if it's sensible and it's got

970
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.599
<v Speaker 2>legs and it's got financial backing, you could do it.

971
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:57.119
<v Speaker 2>So ignore all the stuff about flipping, sending people back

972
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.079
<v Speaker 2>to different countries, all the stuff that you've got a

973
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:04.840
<v Speaker 2>party there who could save the countryside or they could

974
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.559
<v Speaker 2>be the worst thing that happened to the country side

975
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:10.880
<v Speaker 2>since plowing right up to the margin. And if we

976
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:13.639
<v Speaker 2>are plowing right up to the margin and we don't

977
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:17.519
<v Speaker 2>have any yellow hammers and gray partridges anymore, and we've

978
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:21.440
<v Speaker 2>lost all that nature recovery that we were happening because

979
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:24.280
<v Speaker 2>reform get in and they haven't listened to you, If

980
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:29.239
<v Speaker 2>you haven't told them why we this is important and

981
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:30.840
<v Speaker 2>how we can make it happen, and we can make

982
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and make it happen cost effectively, then it's your own fault.

983
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:39.360
<v Speaker 2>And you can't winge and then that's my opinion, is

984
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:42.679
<v Speaker 2>the reform of the great unknown. We just know that

985
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:44.920
<v Speaker 2>all the other ones are completely shit.

986
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.079
<v Speaker 1>I've got nothing else to add to that. I'm going

987
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:54.199
<v Speaker 1>to put something out here though, And we haven't talked

988
00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:57.519
<v Speaker 1>about this now, you know, as two thirds of the

989
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:01.639
<v Speaker 1>hosting team, I'm not talked about this at all. We've

990
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:03.639
<v Speaker 1>got well, it was meant to be what twenty twenty

991
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:06.280
<v Speaker 1>nine for the next election. Yeah, I think it's going

992
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:10.159
<v Speaker 1>to come sooner than that. Probably if you are the

993
00:57:10.239 --> 00:57:16.920
<v Speaker 1>comms person or one of the on one, two, three, four, five, six,

994
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:22.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe seven main political parties, or your Binnie mcbin face

995
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:27.880
<v Speaker 1>or was it count bin face. If you're one of

996
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.840
<v Speaker 1>these and you want to come on our show and

997
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:35.360
<v Speaker 1>talk about a your rural policy and what you intend

998
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:37.840
<v Speaker 1>to do for the countryside, I think we have to

999
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.719
<v Speaker 1>adhere to some sort of laws around party political broadcast,

1000
00:57:40.760 --> 00:57:43.440
<v Speaker 1>but we can give you an interview that is open

1001
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:47.679
<v Speaker 1>to all of the parties. Come on here, we'll talk

1002
00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:51.280
<v Speaker 1>about things, and we'll give you a fair airing and

1003
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:53.960
<v Speaker 1>we won't hit you with sticks or anything like that,

1004
00:57:54.079 --> 00:58:00.320
<v Speaker 1>or or talk about our country ways. But this stuff

1005
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:02.199
<v Speaker 1>is important to us, and it's important to everyone to

1006
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:05.880
<v Speaker 1>listen to this podcast, and I think it would be

1007
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:09.000
<v Speaker 1>important to the nation once it's gone. It's the sort

1008
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.679
<v Speaker 1>of thing that if it went away, if the British

1009
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:14.039
<v Speaker 1>countryside as we know it went away, which it sort

1010
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.400
<v Speaker 1>of is in a lot of ways, the loss would

1011
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:19.360
<v Speaker 1>be missed. The loss would be noticed, but it'd be

1012
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:23.000
<v Speaker 1>noticed after the fact. And there is a time to

1013
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:24.599
<v Speaker 1>arrest it. There is a time to fix it. There

1014
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:27.199
<v Speaker 1>is a time to put it in a certain direction.

1015
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:31.920
<v Speaker 1>But that time is now, not when everyone suddenly starts

1016
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:34.320
<v Speaker 1>caring about it. So what do you think should we

1017
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:38.280
<v Speaker 1>have people on most definitely we'll put this out and

1018
00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:41.519
<v Speaker 1>if you are a listener and you have some sway

1019
00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:44.760
<v Speaker 1>with your political party, you know, send this on.

1020
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:45.400
<v Speaker 3>Yes do.

1021
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:49.480
<v Speaker 2>But here's the suggestion, right, is that if we're going

1022
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.920
<v Speaker 2>to do this properly, we should have people who are

1023
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:57.199
<v Speaker 2>representatives of forestry, farming, gangkeeping.

1024
00:58:59.159 --> 00:58:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Like a Witton.

1025
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, basically if we could have four of us, so

1026
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:06.639
<v Speaker 2>someone who's doing it, but someone who is from either

1027
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:10.280
<v Speaker 2>of their geographical area or you know of, or from

1028
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.760
<v Speaker 2>one of the major industries of the countryside, who could

1029
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:18.960
<v Speaker 2>ask from their particular area county lines. Yeah, okay, we'll

1030
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:20.760
<v Speaker 2>do that. That's what we're going to do. Because this

1031
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.000
<v Speaker 2>is Country Slide and we are rebellious.

1032
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:25.400
<v Speaker 1>So we'll workshop this idea a little bit further into

1033
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:27.119
<v Speaker 1>something that won't get it. We'll have to check the

1034
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:29.639
<v Speaker 1>legality of it in terms of party political broadcasts and

1035
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:30.960
<v Speaker 1>things like that. I think we have to bring someone

1036
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:35.920
<v Speaker 1>on for balance, don't we, But we can had invited

1037
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:38.599
<v Speaker 1>Kamala and Trump on and only only Trump came on

1038
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:42.079
<v Speaker 1>and Trump won, so and not so one. We're as

1039
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:46.280
<v Speaker 1>big as the Joe Rogan podcast. Now we we're up there.

1040
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:49.440
<v Speaker 2>So we're going to get Terry Jermy and William Klaus

1041
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.679
<v Speaker 2>and the rest of them. They may just not turn up.

1042
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:56.159
<v Speaker 2>And so therefore, as far as Country Slide polling is concerned,

1043
00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:59.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a neck and neck race between Labor and the SDP.

1044
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, okay, right, Well that's the main show sorted out.

1045
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:06.280
<v Speaker 1>So we're now we're watch the after show for patrons,

1046
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:14.519
<v Speaker 1>and well, thank you and sorry goodbye.