1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,559 Speaker 1: Thirteen rounds, featherweight frame, Magpool grip that holds without printing. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:11,640 Ruger LCP Max with Magpol EHG the pocket pistol perfected 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:12,720 Carrie Moore. 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: Carry Confident. 5 00:00:15,039 --> 00:00:18,359 Speaker 3: Upgrade your optic with Hollisen, where innovation meets precision. 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:19,719 Speaker 4: With fifty thousand. 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 3: Hours of battery life, shake Awake technology and a solar failsafe. 8 00:00:23,559 --> 00:00:27,000 Your optic is always ready when you are Hollison Confidence 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:27,879 in every shot. 10 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 5: Hey, welcome back to gun Talk, Tom Gresham here. I 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,640 want to talk a little bit about at a great 12 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:39,200 event coming up, and I've talked about it in the 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,159 past and it's one that I think if you're a 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,399 Second Amendment activist or want to be, you ought to 15 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:47,799 get to it. First of all, it's free, and secondly 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,520 it is just gets better and better. 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 4: It's amazing all the time. 18 00:00:50,719 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 5: Joining me right now is the founder of the Second 19 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,640 Amendment Foundation and the Citizens Committee for the Rights Keeping 20 00:00:56,719 --> 00:00:59,840 Bear Arms. Alan Gottlieb, also the guy who got me 21 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:02,320 started doing radio some thirty one years ago. 22 00:01:02,479 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 6: Hey, Alan, Hey, Tom, good to be back with you. 23 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 5: I am glad to have you here, and you know 24 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,879 I got enough I have to credit you or blame 25 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,439 you for getting gun Talk started. 26 00:01:12,799 --> 00:01:14,799 Speaker 7: Well, I think I needed to credit because I think 27 00:01:14,799 --> 00:01:17,560 you've had such an impact over the thirty one years 28 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,480 or so that it's been. The show has been so important, 29 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,079 and have you done such a great job for it 30 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,400 that it's credit not blamed. 31 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,599 Speaker 5: Well, okay, we'll take that run with it. But I 32 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:28,719 do appreciate it, all right, So we got to talk. 33 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,359 I mean, we'll start off with this. We've got a 34 00:01:30,359 --> 00:01:32,680 lot of things to touch on. But Gun Rights Policy 35 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,519 Conference g RPC this year is going to be in 36 00:01:35,599 --> 00:01:39,120 Dallas and it is amazing. I mean, the lineup of 37 00:01:39,159 --> 00:01:41,280 speakers is spectacular this year. 38 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,519 Speaker 7: Yeah, we're getting kind of lucky this year. 39 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:43,879 Speaker 6: Again. 40 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 7: It's September twenty five through twenty seven at the Weston 41 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,439 Dallas Fort Worth Airport Hotel. So it's right on the hotel, 42 00:01:50,519 --> 00:01:53,599 on the airport property almost so to speak. And of 43 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:57,040 course we just announced our keynote speaker, which I'm really 44 00:01:57,079 --> 00:02:02,159 excited about, the Honorable Roger Benitez, tired ninth Circuit Court 45 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:05,319 of Appeals or Circuit judge, sometime on the Appeals Court, 46 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:08,199 sometimes just sitting by himself, but he is the judge 47 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,240 has made so many significant second Amendment rulings in the 48 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,840 Ninth Circuit in favor of gun rights, and I'm just 49 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:16,919 so excited to have him as a keynote speaker. 50 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I really want to hear Judge Benitez because the 51 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,039 opinions that he has written have been actually like textbook. 52 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:27,360 Everybody got to read him in terms of what does 53 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,080 the Second Amendment mean and how to look at it. 54 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:32,159 This is a great example. I don't know that he's 55 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,479 made talks like this in public before. 56 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,039 Speaker 6: No, I think this is his first one. 57 00:02:37,039 --> 00:02:39,439 Speaker 7: And of course the impact he's had in the Ninth Circuit, 58 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:42,599 which is not usually gun friendly, has been absolutely amazing 59 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,240 and then copied by judges en quoted all over the 60 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,680 country in other circuits as well. And so I mean 61 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,319 the impact he has had in the legal area sitting 62 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:54,879 on the bench for gun rights has been unbelievable. 63 00:02:55,319 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 5: Absolutely, And for those who want to sign up, they 64 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,960 want to go, you can go to SAI dot org, 65 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,080 s a F dot org or Second d Foundation and 66 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,120 sign up for the Gun Rights Policy Conference is going 67 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:08,360 to be in Dallas. 68 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:09,439 Speaker 4: And oh yeah, it's free. 69 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 5: I think I mentioned that, But it is an amazing 70 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,759 event and you can, as I say, and you said 71 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,800 it's at the airport. Really, you fly in and you 72 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,639 just hop over to the event. You can stay right there, 73 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,639 and obviously if you're local, you could drive in for 74 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:23,919 the day on Saturday and do that. It's there's a 75 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,919 Friday night gathering. Uh, it's all day Saturday and half 76 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:28,599 a day Sunday. 77 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, and as Saturday night reception as well as well. 78 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 6: It's great. It's it's an unblieable event. 79 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 7: Uh, we're probably gonna have a record turnout this year, 80 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,080 and uh so space might get kind of tight later on, so. 81 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 6: I urge your listeners to register soon. 82 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,319 Speaker 7: Saf dot org And uh again, you got all the 83 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,759 key leaders from all the national groups that are there. 84 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:52,479 It's where review everything has gone on in the past 85 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,800 year and plot for the upcoming year. 86 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,159 Speaker 6: It's the gun rights event of the year. 87 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,879 Speaker 7: And the amount of repeat offenders or people that attend 88 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:02,319 more than one of them, it has gotten to be 89 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:03,000 really amazing. 90 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:03,919 Speaker 4: It is all right. 91 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,719 Speaker 5: I want to switch on if there's something I've been 92 00:04:06,759 --> 00:04:09,599 thinking about over the last few weeks and kind of 93 00:04:09,639 --> 00:04:11,960 goes along with this whole thirty one years of gun 94 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,120 talk and half a century or more for you and 95 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,319 gun rights activism. And I was thinking about this, thinking, 96 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,879 you know, thirty years ago, forty years ago, it was 97 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:24,079 not looking real good for gun rights. 98 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 4: I mean, we had Gun Control Act of sixty. 99 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 5: Eight, you know, we had the Brady Bill, we had 100 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,800 the Clinton gun Band, the so called assault weapons Band, 101 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,879 and everything was going the wrong way for us. And 102 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,720 I'm not sure back then that I could have imagined 103 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,720 all the successes that we are having right now. It 104 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,600 is just amazing to see the progress we've made. 105 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, it sure is. 106 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:48,759 Speaker 7: I didn't realize, you know, looking back, how bad it 107 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:50,000 was back then, but. 108 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,759 Speaker 6: It really was really bad and gloomy. 109 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 7: But of course, again I like to always say that 110 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,800 our firearmspeedermor or second moment rights are only one election 111 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:01,279 away from extinction. Bottom line is is that it could 112 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:03,759 slip back just as quickly. I mean, you've got right 113 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,240 now the Democrats wanting to pack the US Supreme Court 114 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,560 with four anti gun judges to add into the mix. 115 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,160 And if that were to happen, all these great victories 116 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,319 we've had to be overturned. 117 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 6: You know, in a heartbeat, it's kind of scary. This 118 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:19,000 battle's not going away. 119 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,759 Speaker 5: It's easy right now, and I fear that it's happening 120 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,879 for gun owners to get complacent and saying, Okay, well, 121 00:05:25,879 --> 00:05:27,639 we got Trump, We've got things going our way. We're 122 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,800 winning in the Supreme Court. You know, we can kind 123 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,639 of catch our breath and not have to do anything. 124 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,959 But we got midterm elections coming up and things we 125 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,560 don't even have to wait until the next presidential election. 126 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,160 The midterms can flip things hugely, can't they. 127 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I mean, any pro gun judges that get 128 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:47,120 nominated by President Trump can get denied confirmation by the 129 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:51,800 Senate flip's control as an example, and that would destroy 130 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:55,160 our whole litigation strategy or make us really rethink it. 131 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,600 And then right now and the midterms, things aren't looking 132 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:01,680 so good. The Democrats are very energized. The Democratic Socialist 133 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,319 of America, which is taking over their party, is extremely 134 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,439 anti gun on their agendas to go after gun. 135 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,639 Speaker 6: Owners and gun industry and gun rights. 136 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 7: This is a time not to go to sleep, because 137 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,399 that's what the other side's hoping for. 138 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they and they're powering it on. They really 139 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:16,800 got the energy. 140 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,399 Speaker 5: You're right, and I guess the worth of thing to 141 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:21,399 do is to make sure you're registered to vote and 142 00:06:21,399 --> 00:06:23,720 make sure all your buddies are, your friends are, and 143 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:26,040 then make sure that everybody gets out to vote. And 144 00:06:26,079 --> 00:06:28,319 I know that the election comes, you're in hunting season 145 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,560 and people are busy, But now you could do it 146 00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:34,079 advance voting. I don't know, Alan, I'm just thinking about 147 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:38,519 how to put this. It is so critical, and you're right, 148 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,319 it doesn't look good right now. 149 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:41,519 Speaker 4: The polling is not good. 150 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 5: We could lose both the House and the Senate and 151 00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:47,199 it would be catastrophic for what's going on in terms 152 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,040 of particularly what's going on in terms of getting judges. 153 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,199 Speaker 6: Yeah, really catastrophic. 154 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 7: So I'm doing everything I can to work on the 155 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:58,800 election cycle now as an individual, and I urge all. 156 00:06:58,759 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 6: Your listeners to do so as well. 157 00:07:02,079 --> 00:07:04,879 Speaker 7: This election is very, very critical because it's going to 158 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:07,759 set a tone for at least two years and probably 159 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:11,920 the twenty twenty presidential election cycle as well. So it's 160 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,680 it's imperative that we all take action and get engaged. 161 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,839 Speaker 5: Let me ask you, you you have good connections with 162 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,959 the Trump administration. You talk to the folks there, are 163 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,480 they as committed as it feels like they are now 164 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,560 to the Second Amendment and to gun rights with what 165 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,560 they're doing with ATF with the DOJ. I mean it 166 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,040 sounds and feels good. 167 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 4: Is that real? 168 00:07:34,199 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 6: It's more than real. 169 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 7: In fact, the Trump administration is sending the ATF director 170 00:07:39,399 --> 00:07:42,360 as well as the head legal counsel for ATF to 171 00:07:42,399 --> 00:07:45,560 both speak at the Gun Rights Policy Conference, and we'll 172 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,720 probably have a few other administration speakers as well. And 173 00:07:48,759 --> 00:07:50,920 then of course you look at harmat Dillon and the 174 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,639 Justice Department setting up a civil Rights division to help 175 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,120 protect gun rights where they have filed. You know, the 176 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,279 administration actually filed suits against anti gun states and cities 177 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:01,959 for some of their anti gun laws on the books. 178 00:08:02,519 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 6: When they haven't filed directly. 179 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 7: They're following amigospeace on behalf of the Second Amendment foundation 180 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,120 in our cases, which helps a whole lot and probably 181 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,279 helped us get the two cases that the Supreme Court 182 00:08:12,399 --> 00:08:16,399 has taken for the next session of their Supreme Court calendar, 183 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,120 the twos open ban cases. It's saftis filed to hear 184 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,519 those cases and rule nationally. And my hope is you 185 00:08:23,519 --> 00:08:25,600 know that they can rule our way. My feeling is 186 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:28,680 they definitely are, because if they took the cases, it's 187 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,040 because the only one they want to overturn these the 188 00:08:31,079 --> 00:08:33,960 case low below it, which is going to affect twelve 189 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,000 states and Washington, DC'SUS open bans and to hopefully take 190 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,679 them off the books. Yeah, the administration has been critical. 191 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,039 Speaker 6: And very helpful. 192 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:45,159 Speaker 5: Right at the beginning of that, you said something, I 193 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,919 want to make sure people understand. At the Gun Rights 194 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,799 Policy Conference this year, we're going to have the head 195 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,559 of the ATF there. 196 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 7: First time, and I don't know, forty some odd years, 197 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:00,759 that is unheard of. 198 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 5: It has been such an adversarial relationship and it's exactly 199 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,039 not that anymore. And the fact that he's going to 200 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:13,039 be there is quite something. I mean, if anybody's wanting 201 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,679 to say, Okay, is this real, I think that tells 202 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,039 you it is in fact real. 203 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, i'd agree. 204 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 5: People may or may not know you work on political 205 00:09:21,759 --> 00:09:26,399 campaigns and political action outside of Staff Insistance Committee and 206 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,600 working on things there. You might just talk about the 207 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:34,879 need or how that's done in terms of targeting individual 208 00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:37,320 campaigns in individual states. 209 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 7: I run the American Political Action Committee known as a 210 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,120 mirror Pack. We're tracking twenty eight house districts right now 211 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,000 all across the country and working in twenty eight districts 212 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,399 as well as right this minute six US Senate races, 213 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,720 and it probably be up to eight in another month, 214 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:56,320 and those are the eight critical Senate races and twenty 215 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,840 eight key house races. And that's really where only action 216 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,000 is going to be the determine who controls the House 217 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,679 and the Senate. The polls are really really tight in 218 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,080 those twenty eight congressional districts could go either way, but 219 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,039 the Republicans need to be able to make sure on 220 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,679 those twenty eight districts that they capture about two thirds 221 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,600 of them to stay in control. And on the Senate side, 222 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,200 of course, as everybody watches the news, it gets crazier 223 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,879 by the day with the Democratic Socialists of America taking 224 00:10:25,919 --> 00:10:30,720 over Democratic Party and enforcing extreme crazy candidates that don't 225 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,000 support individual rights at all, particularly Second Amendment rights, onto 226 00:10:34,039 --> 00:10:37,840 the ballot, raising millions and millions and millions. 227 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 6: Of dollars to support those candidates. This is a battle 228 00:10:40,759 --> 00:10:41,720 of turning. 229 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 7: Out manpower working in elections, as well as raising money 230 00:10:45,879 --> 00:10:48,679 to run TV spots and internet spots. And you know, 231 00:10:48,799 --> 00:10:51,159 radio Tom, this is a critical election. 232 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:52,519 Speaker 4: It is. 233 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 5: And you're right, the money is it's not just important, 234 00:10:56,519 --> 00:10:59,600 The money is everything. It's yeah, it's value ads, but 235 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,639 it's off getting people to the polls voting. 236 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 4: I keep hearing. 237 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,919 Speaker 5: That there's like crazy outside sorrows money coming in. Is 238 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,720 that like a conspiracy theory or is that really happening. 239 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 6: Oh, it's really happening. 240 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 7: Between George sorows pouring in. I think he's already put 241 00:11:15,399 --> 00:11:18,519 in fifty five million dollars so far in this election cycle, 242 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,039 and the numbers will go way up. 243 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 6: I'm going to say it's going to trust one hundred 244 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,480 million area. And then you've got. 245 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:26,639 Speaker 7: Michael Bloomberg as well, particularly on the gun side of it, 246 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,600 pouring a fortune into anti gun rights candidates because they 247 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:33,159 know homeportance for them to get controlled back of the courts. 248 00:11:33,639 --> 00:11:35,720 The money they're putting in this election cycles can be 249 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:36,600 record amounts. 250 00:11:36,919 --> 00:11:39,279 Speaker 5: We may not have that kind of money, but if 251 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,399 we all get off our rear ends, we can get 252 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,320 people to the polls, and that I think is going 253 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,519 to end up making the difference. 254 00:11:44,639 --> 00:11:45,519 Speaker 6: Yeah, I sure hope. 255 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,639 Speaker 7: So it did in the twenty twenty four cycle filled 256 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,279 to elect President Trump, and the other side knows it 257 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:53,399 was gun owners that really elected Trump, that we were 258 00:11:53,399 --> 00:11:56,320 the marginal difference in these key battle around states, and 259 00:11:56,519 --> 00:11:58,039 they want to get even and. 260 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,759 Speaker 6: They're going for our throat, so to speak. 261 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:02,399 Speaker 7: We got to be cognitive the fact that we are 262 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,399 a target as well. 263 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 5: There you go, and if you want to know more 264 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,000 about all of this, you'll be able to catch up 265 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,399 and get the very latest information on it at the 266 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,879 Gun Rights Policy Conference going to be held in September 267 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,399 in Dallas, Texas. Go to saf dot org and you 268 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,759 get that information. Alan Gottlie, thank you. I appreciate you 269 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,480 being here, appreciate you being my friend. And boy do 270 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,039 I ever appreciate the fact that you are an absolute 271 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:26,600 giant in the gun rights movement. 272 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:28,919 Speaker 7: Thank you for those kind words, Tom, But I couldn't 273 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,759 do it without a great supporting cast, and you've been 274 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:33,039 one of those supporting cast members for a lot of years. 275 00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 5: Long time now, my friend, how are you take care 276 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,879 of I plan to see you in Dallas. 277 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 6: Thank you? 278 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:40,759 Speaker 4: All right? 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One of Ruger's most versatile and 323 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:10,320 modular designs, the RXAM is ready because when it's go time, 324 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:11,799 you won't have time. 325 00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:28,639 Speaker 5: All right, let's talk about well, you know what, let's 326 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:30,759 talk about the things you want to talk about. Nine 327 00:15:30,759 --> 00:15:32,960 millimeters versus forty five. I got some thoughts on that. 328 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,120 By the way, I love forty fives, but I have 329 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:40,480 grown to understand the nine millimeters has many many advantages 330 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:43,639 as a self defense round. You can get more of 331 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:46,559 them into your gun, but also you have little less recoil, 332 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,480 and that can be important in terms of fast follow 333 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:54,720 up shots, accurate shots, and frankly, just at the range, 334 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:57,600 just practicing less recoil means you're probably gonna shoot better. 335 00:15:57,879 --> 00:15:58,679 Speaker 4: And of course. 336 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,399 Speaker 5: Them is a lot less expensive for nine millimeter versus 337 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,120 forty five or even forty. But then again with forty 338 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:10,159 five you got a bigger hole. So where do you 339 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:15,320 fall on the issue of which cartridge do you carry 340 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:16,320 for your self defense? 341 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 4: Gun? 342 00:16:16,639 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 5: Give me a call eight six' six Talk gun Or 343 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,480 Tom Talk. Gun joe called us out Of, Jefferson. Texas Hey, 344 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:25,360 joe you're on Gun. Talk what's on your? 345 00:16:25,399 --> 00:16:25,679 Speaker 6: Mind? 346 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:26,879 Speaker 4: Hey? 347 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 11: Tom who heard some encouraging stuff today regarding the law AND. 348 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,279 AARs but you know our quote conservative, judges there seems 349 00:16:35,279 --> 00:16:37,039 to be a couple that are a bit, wobbly AND 350 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,960 i was wanting to get your take on. That is 351 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,720 there any concern? There And i'm gonna hang none much. 352 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:46,639 Speaker 5: Talk, no there's no concern. Whatsoever we're going to win this. 353 00:16:46,759 --> 00:16:50,120 Case and, LOOK i know people, say, well what About 354 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,440 Amy Cony. Berrett she's going to be. Fine she may 355 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,879 not have voted the way you wanted on other, cases 356 00:16:57,559 --> 00:17:00,639 AND i get, that but on this, issue she's gonna be. 357 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:05,359 Fine we're going to win THIS ar fifteen band case 358 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,200 at The Supreme, court probably gonna go six to. Three if, 359 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,359 possible it could go five, four BUT i think it's 360 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,000 gonna go six to. 361 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,039 Speaker 4: Three it's gonna be. 362 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 5: Interesting i'm hoping that if the case is in fact 363 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,839 heard In, december That i'm able to get TO dc 364 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:26,119 and sit there on the court in the in the 365 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:31,240 audience and listen to the arguments for this. Case that's 366 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,920 gonna be really. Interesting and of course now we can 367 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,079 listen to it. Live we don't have cameras in, there 368 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:39,079 but we do have, audio and we can listen to it, 369 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,599 live and we get the recording so we can hear 370 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,920 all the. Arguments being. Made but, no it's a good. 371 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:49,839 QUESTION i appreciate, It. JOE i don't have any concerns at. 372 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:54,880 ALL i feel completely comfortable saying we are going to 373 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,279 win THE ar fifteen band case before The Supreme. Court 374 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,359 we just won On friday AN ar fifteen ban case 375 00:18:04,839 --> 00:18:08,119 in The Third, circuit and that was In New. Jersey 376 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,440 New jersey had had IT'S ar fifteen band since nineteen. 377 00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:17,200 Ninety nineteen. Ninety the people In New jersey have been 378 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,440 living under this gun ban and now it's going. Away 379 00:18:20,519 --> 00:18:23,279 not gone quite. Yet a few extra steps that don't 380 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,400 rush out and buy anything right, now but the ban 381 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:31,400 on what they call large capacity or high capacity, magazines 382 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,759 that's going. Away the ban on semi automatic rifles is 383 00:18:35,759 --> 00:18:41,400 going away. Now The Seventh circuit just issued a ruling 384 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:50,039 supporting a ban on air fifteens using totally nonsensical logic and. 385 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,079 Excuses AND i mean they're saying that air fifteens are 386 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:59,440 not in common. Use, WELL i don't know what constitutes common, 387 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:01,839 use But I'm i'm pretty sure thirty million of them. 388 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:07,799 Does in The catano, case that's one that you got 389 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:09,839 to be really into this. Stuff but that was a 390 00:19:10,079 --> 00:19:14,559 ban on stun guns or, tasers and they said there 391 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:17,079 are two hundred thousand of them in the country at 392 00:19:17,079 --> 00:19:19,119 the time being, used and so those were in common, 393 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,160 Use so you can't ban stun. Guns, well if two 394 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:27,599 hundred thousand is enough to tick the box for common, 395 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,039 Use i'm pretty sure thirty million does that as. Well 396 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,880 and Again i'm not worried about. IT i, mean, yeah 397 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,960 The service circle that they did stupid. Stuff The Ninth 398 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,640 circuit always does stupid, stuff and we'll probably have to 399 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,720 beat The Ninth circuit about the head and shoulders with more. 400 00:19:44,799 --> 00:19:48,759 Lawsuits but we're gonna win, this and we're gonna win 401 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:51,799 a lot of other. Cases we're gonna win In california 402 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,039 on their handgun. Roster we're gonna win on a number 403 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,160 of lawsuits there because if they can get up to 404 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,839 The Supreme court or we can apply The Supreme court 405 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,480 rulings against, them we're gonna win those as. Well it's 406 00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:11,039 an amazing. Time BUT i go back to the. WHOLE 407 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,839 i like to look at the individual, level not what 408 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,000 are they? Doing you, know people are, saying what's THE nra, 409 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:21,960 Doing what are they? 410 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 4: Doing? 411 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:22,319 Speaker 6: What? 412 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 4: Wait, wait, wait back, up what are you? Doing you. 413 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,759 Speaker 5: Individually you that just the one Person i'm talking to. 414 00:20:29,799 --> 00:20:33,839 You what are you doing to advance gun? Rights what are? 415 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:36,960 YOU i, mean have you sent? Money BECAUSE i mean 416 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,640 that's how it. Works we don't have the, billionaires so 417 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,319 we got to cough up twenty five to fifty one 418 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,720 hundred bucks at a time each of. Us so throw 419 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,599 twenty five or fifty bucks into the. Kitty, well you, 420 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,400 Know i'm on, yeah, yeah, YEAH i. Know nobody has ulimited. 421 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,079 BUDGETS i get. It but trust, me if you passed 422 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,559 Up starbucks three times a week for half a, year 423 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,759 you got a pretty nice donation to make to your 424 00:21:03,759 --> 00:21:04,640 favorite gun rights. 425 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,279 Speaker 4: Group there's a way to get. 426 00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:08,599 Speaker 5: THERE i actually run a piece AND i put it 427 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,799 up ON x on how to buy a five thousand dollar, 428 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,200 Gun AND i just was playing with some, numbers AND i, 429 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,160 mean this is nothing new to anybody if you've looked 430 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,559 at it at. All but you can buy a five 431 00:21:19,599 --> 00:21:23,319 thousand dollar gun by putting twenty dollars away per week 432 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:23,839 for five. 433 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 4: Years, done, Deal you got. 434 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: It pretty. 435 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,559 Speaker 5: Much anybody can buy twenty bucks a week from, somewhere you, 436 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:37,319 know cut back on burgers or shakes Or starbucks or. 437 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:38,039 Speaker 4: Whatever it. 438 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 5: Is there's something out there guarantee you if you. Decide 439 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,160 but the only way to make that, happen here's your, 440 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,079 tip is you got to figure out the gun you. 441 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:50,880 Want can't be just, OH i want a, gun make a, model, caliber, 442 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,920 cartridge everything about, it and then you got to write it. 443 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,839 Down it's not enough to, say it's not enough to think. 444 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,960 It it has to be written down for it to be. 445 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,559 Real write it down and then put a date on. 446 00:22:01,599 --> 00:22:02,559 Speaker 4: It in five. 447 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,519 Speaker 5: YEARS i want, this And i'm gonna start working toward. 448 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:06,240 It for what it's gonna happen As you're gonna start 449 00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:08,000 putting away more money because you're gonna want that more, 450 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:10,519 quickly and you, will in, fact to be able to 451 00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:14,279 buy that. Gun cool, gun, shotgun, rifle. HANDGUN i don't. 452 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:16,680 Know is there a five thousands dollar gun out there 453 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,799 you would actually want to buy it if you could afford. It, 454 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,000 look give me called eighty six to six talk. Gun 455 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,119 if you're on hole right, now don't go. Anywhere i'm 456 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,079 gonna get you where we come. 457 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,599 Speaker 4: Back I'm Tom. Gresham this is gun. 458 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 5: TALK i always wanted to bring back a good friend of. 459 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,039 Ours he is a great voice for the second amendment 460 00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:45,880 and sometimes often brings a different. Perspective Chris change joins 461 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,839 us right. Now you Know chris as of course the 462 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,799 winner Of Top. Shot there's a GREAT tv. Show but Also, 463 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,079 chris you have been an outspoken advocate for gun, safety 464 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,480 but sometimes bringing a little bit of a different, twist 465 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,880 possibly coming from your background in the dot com. 466 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: World, indeed, yeah Thanks tom for having me. On And 467 00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:04,039 DIYer was. 468 00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:07,759 Speaker 12: Recently published in The Boston herald AND i wrote an 469 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:12,599 opinion piece about How americans are getting tired of gun 470 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,920 control and ultimately, voters we want, accountability, Right we all 471 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,519 want safer, communities we want crime to go. Down but 472 00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:24,880 we need to focus on three pieces and they are. 473 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,039 Speaker 2: Education, enforcement and. 474 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 12: Accountability and so with you know, this we have a 475 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,799 rise in first time gun, ownership and with that rise 476 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,160 in new gun owners we need to really commit ourselves 477 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,759 to training new gun owners and encouraging them and helping 478 00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:48,759 them understand how critical firearms safety and safe storage and education. 479 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 2: Is and then of course the second well. 480 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:54,759 Speaker 5: Before moving to the sec, one let me just mention 481 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:58,000 we have all these new gun, owners it's both an 482 00:23:58,039 --> 00:24:00,359 opportunity and a challenge for those of us to Say, 483 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,279 okay welcome, in and we're glad you're, here but there 484 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:07,319 are some things you probably should. Know and isn't that 485 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:13,359 incompetent upon, us as the knowledgeable veteran gun owners to, Say, 486 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,880 okay we're going to take this on as a. 487 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 12: Responsibility, absolutely SO i take it as a personal. Responsibility 488 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,400 where IF i IF i see a new, shooter whether 489 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,240 it's one of my friends or a new, student or 490 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:29,279 If i'm just at the range AND i see, someone you, 491 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:30,480 know struggling. 492 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: A little, bit you, KNOW i don't want to be. 493 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,079 Speaker 12: Overbearing BUT i want to maybe just drop a little 494 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:35,880 bit of a. Hint, hey you, know keep your finger 495 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,039 off the trigger until you're ready to. Shoot oh, hey 496 00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:40,440 you know it seems like you're having a challenge loading 497 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:41,039 your magazine. 498 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 2: In you're just being a friendly face to. 499 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,279 Speaker 5: That new, shoe right, right you, know BECAUSE i think 500 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,400 they don't know what they don't know, Exactly and we 501 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,960 were all in that place at one. 502 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,599 Speaker 12: Point, right even if you grew up with, guns, right 503 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,960 even as a, kid, right you didn't know the first 504 00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,160 thing about firearm safety unless your father or another. 505 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:00,759 Speaker 2: Adult taught you. 506 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,759 Speaker 12: That AND i think there's too many, people too many 507 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,519 new gun owners who think all they need to do 508 00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:09,519 to keep themselves safe is buy the. Gun and of 509 00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:12,039 course we all know buying the gun is just the 510 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,799 very first. Step you can't just buy the tool and 511 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,880 expect to be proficient at, it. Right you have to, 512 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,759 practice and you have to learn the. Skill you have 513 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:25,279 to understand, marksmanship and so simply buying a gun is 514 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,359 not going to keep you. Safe in, fact buying a 515 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,359 gun and not learning how to use it actually might 516 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:30,720 be more. 517 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: Dangerous. 518 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 12: Right you're more likely to hurt or yourself or someone 519 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,079 else if you don't understand how to properly handle and 520 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,200 safely store that. 521 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,279 Speaker 2: Firearm AND i. 522 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 5: Like the way you position it where you're not walking 523 00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:45,720 in and, saying hey, guys knock that. Off you start off, with, hey, 524 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,640 guys you know you could really help us out over 525 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,480 here if you could work on a couple of safety. 526 00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:52,720 Things i'd be happy to show. You but you start 527 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,119 off a little softer and non. 528 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,279 Speaker 12: Confrontational, Yeah and my heart goes out to range officers 529 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,680 also the country. 530 00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: Because I've i've been an R. 531 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 12: O i've had many guns pointed loaded, guns you, know 532 00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:07,519 pointed at it. 533 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: Is, obviously, uh you know it is it is a frightening. Experience. 534 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 12: Uh and and you, know, sometimes of course you do 535 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,000 need to be more stern uh with some with some new. 536 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:21,559 Shooters but you, KNOW i think most people are going 537 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:27,960 to be more responsive to a kinder approach uh firearms 538 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,079 safety and education and start. 539 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,519 Speaker 2: There and then of, course, hey. 540 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 12: You, know if you need to escalate and be more, 541 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,960 firm of, course, RIGHT i mean that that's of course 542 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:38,000 our prerogative as a range, officer. 543 00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 4: Right because you've got to make. 544 00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 5: It, say all, right let's bump to your second, point 545 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,599 which is one THAT i think a lot of people 546 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,359 could get. Behind but in the gun, world it kind 547 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,400 of makes people nervous when you talk about mental. 548 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: Health, yeah you, know so you, KNOW i referred for. 549 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:55,519 Speaker 12: DECADES i think it's been very clear, that you, know 550 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,119 mental health is something that continues to be a problem 551 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,839 and a challenge here in our. Country and like any, 552 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,559 problem we've got to confront it head. On we've got 553 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:11,599 to Encourage americans to face. 554 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:12,519 Speaker 2: Face down our. Demons. 555 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 12: Right it's, like, hey look like everybody goes through, hard, 556 00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:17,480 challenging difficult. 557 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 2: Moments in life at one point or. 558 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:22,839 Speaker 12: Another and the way that we often get through those 559 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,559 tough moments is to lean on our, family lean on our, 560 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:29,359 friends lean on your community and your support, network where 561 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,920 sometimes it, requires you, know talking to. 562 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,799 Speaker 2: A mental health. 563 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 12: Professional of, course when we start talking about The Second 564 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,279 amendment and your civil, rights and this overlap with mental health. 565 00:27:40,319 --> 00:27:44,079 Providers you, know there are some mental health providers who 566 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,960 do have the power to take away or suspend your 567 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,559 civil rights if you are proving to be a harm 568 00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:54,440 to yourself or to. Others and so there is this 569 00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:58,359 sort of this this this this gray space that we are. 570 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: Exploring but this is Where Second amendment. 571 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 12: Advocates like me and lots of other, folks you, know 572 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,839 we want to make sure that mental health providers are 573 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,000 educated and prepared to speak to gun owners will not 574 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,720 prejudge us just. 575 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 2: Because we own a, gun is one, example you. 576 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 5: Know and also we can help each other in terms 577 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,720 of you, know, hey, buddy are you, okay let's talk about, 578 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,240 that and you, know the whole idea of you, know 579 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,319 if you're really in a bad, place you can ask 580 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,240 a friend to hold your guns for you kind of a. 581 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,559 Thing but the THING i want to make sure people 582 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,119 understand what we're really talking about here in many cases 583 00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:36,200 is the horrific numbers of, suicides and that's the number 584 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,079 one cause of death with, firearms and we as gun, 585 00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:41,359 owners we got to get in front of. 586 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 4: That it's not enough to just. 587 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 5: Sit there and go, no, no, no because then you're 588 00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:47,200 not really taking part in the. Solution we got to 589 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,640 get out there and get in front of this and, Say, 590 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,960 okay we're going to help each, other which is really 591 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,920 what it amounts to it, That, chris we're helping each 592 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,640 other when we work on this. 593 00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:58,559 Speaker 12: Issue absolutely, Right and so we don't need government to 594 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,119 be intervening and providing red flag laws. 595 00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: And other sorts of government. 596 00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 12: Intervention at the core of solving this mental health. CRISIS 597 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:14,200 i think communities and individuals and friends and families supporting each. 598 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,599 Other just like you, said If i'm going through a tough, 599 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,000 TIME i can ask my buddy to hold my, guns 600 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,160 OR i can ask him or her to change the 601 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:24,480 code to my safe and they have the, code and 602 00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:26,640 IF i want access to my, guns THEN i need 603 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,160 to go through my, friend just as a. 604 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: Buddy check kind of like. 605 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,039 Speaker 5: IT i like, it all, right bounce down to your third, 606 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:35,079 point which is WHERE i think we could all get behind. 607 00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 12: Here oh, Man, right you, KNOW i grew up and 608 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,640 come from a place where if you're breaking the, law 609 00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,440 we need to enforce the laws on the books and. 610 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,400 Prosecute and SOMEHOW i feel like our country has gotten 611 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,880 away from this very simple concept of let's enforce the 612 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,519 laws that we have on the. Books let's go after, 613 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,759 criminals people who are actually committing crimes with, firearms and 614 00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:05,759 let's punish them instead of passing all this crazy gun 615 00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:10,119 control legislation that is targeting the law abiding sid wrong, 616 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,799 people and, me it's just targeting the wrong. People so 617 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,079 let's enforce the laws that we already have on the 618 00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:19,720 books and go after the criminals that are committing crimes with. 619 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:22,599 Speaker 5: Firearms pretty simple. Stuff it seems like it's. Simple we're 620 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,680 talking With Chris. Chang, simple it should be. Stimple we're 621 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,640 talking With Chris, chang of, course the winner of The 622 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,720 Top shots, competition a competitive. Shooter, really you have become a. 623 00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:35,640 SPOKESMAN i, mean you've testified Before congress and you are 624 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,839 one of these thinkers that people, go, well what wonder 625 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,119 What chris would think about? That and we just want 626 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,319 to tell you we appreciate you taking on that role 627 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,680 because sometimes it's got to be at least uncomfortable in 628 00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:48,799 a bit of a, burden and sometimes you're probably you 629 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:49,079 get some. 630 00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:54,039 Speaker 12: Pushback, Absolutely and you, know for, me it's all volunteer. 631 00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:59,200 Work and you, Know i'm very passionate and thankful for you, 632 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,200 know being born here In, america for providing the opportunities 633 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:06,119 and the level of success That i've been able to 634 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,039 achieve here in this. Country you, Know, TOM i have a, 635 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,519 story a success story that could only happen In, america 636 00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:17,319 where a self taught amateur gay tech guy From Silicon 637 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,720 valley could go onto a shooting competition and win one 638 00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:23,839 hundred thousand dollars and quit my tech job to go 639 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,519 shoot full time for Bass pro shops and travel the 640 00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:27,839 country and shoot. 641 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 2: GUNS i mean that's like a. 642 00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 4: Break, yeah you, KNOW i believe. 643 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 12: That i'm so grateful and. Thankful, Okay, america all. 644 00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:38,599 Speaker 4: Right you threw it out. THERE i got it before 645 00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:39,440 we moved to this other. 646 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 5: THING i gotta, say we've had this conversation, before and 647 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,519 you told, me he, Said, yo my gay friends told me, said, 648 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:48,359 well you can't tell the people in their shooting community 649 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,920 that you're, gay because you know how they. Are and 650 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,839 then you find out nobody. 651 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: Cares, yeah, yeah it's, like that's. Great are you safe 652 00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:58,559 with the? 653 00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:00,599 Speaker 4: Gun can you? Shoot? Cool come with, Me it's. 654 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:05,359 Speaker 12: Fine that's been one of the most wealth. 655 00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: Warming, feelings right that this this this fear THAT. 656 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 12: I had that gun owners would be prejudiced against you, 657 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,039 know gay. 658 00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:17,039 Speaker 2: People it just really hasn't panned, out you, know those 659 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:17,680 fears THAT i. 660 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:21,799 Speaker 12: Had, wow it's been almost fifteen years ago since since you, 661 00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:25,000 KNOW i Won Top shot and Left Silicon valley and you, 662 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,640 know came into the firearms, industry you. 663 00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: Know full. 664 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 12: Time and So i've had a wonderful dual career In 665 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,200 Silicon valley and of course in the firearms, industry AND 666 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,519 i fox really find there's a little bit more prejudice 667 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:42,200 in The San francisco area, here prejudice against me as 668 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200 a gun. Owner oh my, GOSH i have more prejudiced 669 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,720 against me as the, gunners and then the gun owners 670 00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:49,599 have against me as a as a as a gay. 671 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,079 Speaker 2: Person so that's kind of this weird role. Reversal you, KNOW. 672 00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 4: I hadn't thought of, it and at the same, Time 673 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,240 i'm not. 674 00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 5: Surprised, Okay we've got to talk about this newest project of. 675 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,240 Yours WHICH i think is so all, right take take 676 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:02,440 it away because it's A kickstarter. 677 00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:07,599 Speaker 2: Program, yes SO i have written A World war two. 678 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:12,319 Speaker 12: Novel it's a fictional historical account based on true stories 679 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,079 of what's dubbed The Purple Heart. 680 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,519 Speaker 2: Battalion and that is the name of the. 681 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:20,839 Speaker 12: Book The Purple Heart battalion is a SEGREGATED Us army 682 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:26,000 Unit Japanese. Americans they are the one Hundred Infantry battalion 683 00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:29,000 slash four hundred and forty Second Regimental Combat. 684 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:31,799 Speaker 2: Team and these, men many of. 685 00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 12: Them volunteered from the incarceration camps here In america During 686 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,240 World War, two and they volunteered for The army and 687 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:42,119 they were fighting fascism abroad while their families were still 688 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,920 behind barbed wire here at. 689 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: Home and this unit is dubbed The Purple. 690 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 12: Heart battalion because they are the most decorated unit In 691 00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:54,400 United states military history for the size and duration of their. 692 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,720 Service and this is a lesser told story Of World War. 693 00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:04,160 Two and These Japanese americans who bravely fought For america 694 00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:09,880 for our values when our country questioned their, loyalty and 695 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,239 we put one hundred and twenty thousand Innocent americans Of 696 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,599 japanese descent behind barbed wire here On american, soil and 697 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,800 if you look at that part Of american, history it's 698 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,599 such a stain on our. 699 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 2: History, however the reason WHY i Wrote The Purple Heart. 700 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 12: Beat time is BECAUSE i person was so inspired to 701 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:37,320 learn about these men, who under impossible, circumstances When, america 702 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,840 when we fell short of our, ideals they stood up 703 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,320 and they, said you know, what we still believe In. 704 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,000 America we believe that freedom and liberty is literally worth 705 00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:51,880 fighting for and dying for to not only prove my 706 00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:56,079 loyalty To, america but to also restore my family's. Honor 707 00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:00,639 and this is ultimately The Purple Heart betime novel is 708 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,519 a love, story love Of, america love of family and 709 00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:07,639 the values that we have. 710 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 5: Here and so The KICKSTARTER i was just going to, 711 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,239 say you know what it, is it's a great story 712 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,559 of what it, means what it really means to be 713 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:17,280 An american indeed. 714 00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 12: Exactly and you, know there's always going to be people 715 00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,440 who are going to try and define you. 716 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 2: Right to tell you belong to this. 717 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 12: And you don't belong to, that and none of that 718 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,800 matters what everyone else says about. 719 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,079 Speaker 2: You just does not. Matter it always comes from. You 720 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:35,719 and if you believe. 721 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 12: That you belong here In america and that you Aren't, 722 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,559 american and you are going to support civil, rights liberty and, 723 00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:49,280 freedom those are Core american. Values and so The Purple Heart, 724 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,760 battalion these, men they lived, it they died for, it 725 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:59,119 and they ultimately overcame prejudice here at. Home and so 726 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,480 the story of The Purple Heart, battalion you, know they 727 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:06,159 they're called The Greatest generation for a, reason, right and 728 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,519 this is just another wonderful. 729 00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 2: Story. 730 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 12: Yeah, NOW i think a lot Of americans need that 731 00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:12,920 kind of a. 732 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 5: Story and let me just tell people that this is 733 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,519 basically it's like all the other big. Projects you've got 734 00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:19,360 to get funding for. It i've already jumped. IN i 735 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,440 joined The, KICKSTARTER i put in my order for the. 736 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,119 Book explain How kickstarter works and what people can. 737 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 12: Do, yeah so you know The kickstarter, platform kickstarter dot. 738 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,559 Com i'm raising funds to get the book. Published So 739 00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:35,960 i'm self. Publishing i'm super. Excited The kickstarter platform allows 740 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,880 me to sell not only an ebook the paperback hardcover, 741 00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:44,920 versions but there's a high end luxury hardcover. 742 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,199 Speaker 2: Edition with you, know goldfoil edge. 743 00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 12: Papers but then there's also special rewards such as a 744 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,320 book Club zoom for maybe your, company your, organization like 745 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,719 if you're A Boy scout troop or A knights Of 746 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,559 columbus or a veteran, group you can invite me for 747 00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:04,760 a book club type discussion over. 748 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 2: Zoom The. Ultimate The ultimate. 749 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 12: Awards rewards ARE i have a private forest retreat here 750 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,840 in The Santa Cruz mountains Of, california my own private shooting, 751 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,360 range and so you can come and spend a half 752 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,239 day or up to a. 753 00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 2: Full, weekend so you, know it could be you and your. 754 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 4: Bodies so people can go shoot with top Shot, chris that's. 755 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 12: Right and you know we've got we've got almost two 756 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,599 hundred acres of redwood forested, land so you, know a 757 00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:35,960 whole we have a whole variety of outdoor. 758 00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:39,679 Speaker 2: Activities for that winner to choose. From so but you 759 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,519 know that's on the high end of the. 760 00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 12: Rewards but you, know ultimately this is about getting the 761 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,880 story out, there and so any way that you can 762 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,679 support The, kickstarter ideally buy a. Book the e book 763 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:57,639 is eight, dollars the paperback eighteen, dollars the hardcover twenty five. 764 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,119 Dollars you, know very standard pricing four, books and so 765 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,559 the funds raised through The kickstarter will help me self 766 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:09,960 publish the book and also support a nationwide pr book 767 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,480 tour SO i can continue to tell this amazing story 768 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,280 of The Purple Heart, battalion a lesser Told World war 769 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,760 two story about patriotism and what it means to belong In. 770 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 5: America so, cool go to kickstarter dot. Com just put 771 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,360 In Purple Heart. Battalion it pops right, up and you 772 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,400 know basically WHAT i. DID i jumped. IN i want 773 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,840 to hardcover a copy of the, book SO i grab 774 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,599 one of. Those and you, know you're getting pretty close 775 00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:36,480 to hitting your number. Here we just need to get 776 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,400 some folks in there and get their orders. In so 777 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,119 you got enough money to get this thing published. 778 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,039 Speaker 12: Indeed, Yeah and The kickstarter is live Until august, third 779 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,280 so please jump on The kickstarter. Today i've only got 780 00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:51,679 maybe two weeks left, here And i'm really. 781 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,599 Speaker 2: Excited we're going To we're going to hit that. Goal 782 00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:53,920 but of. 783 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 12: COURSE i can't do it without. 784 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 2: You and your listeners and everyone's help. 785 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 12: Here so please help help support The Purple harpattalion and 786 00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:05,599 help me bring this amazing book and this amazing story 787 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:05,840 to the. 788 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 5: World it is a great, project And, CHRIS i appreciate 789 00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:10,199 what you, do not just with, this but what you 790 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,559 do for advocacy for The Second amendment and for safe 791 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:14,079 shooting out. 792 00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,199 Speaker 4: There so thank you. Again you're always welcome. 793 00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 2: Here thank you so much time for having me on. 794 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:29,199 Speaker 4: Today all, righty all, right let's go straight to the. 795 00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 5: Phones jonathan is In Moreheads, City North. Carolina, Hey, jonathan 796 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:33,480 you're on Gun. 797 00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:35,079 Speaker 11: Talk, hey thank. 798 00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 13: You, yes, yeah you're talking about nine to mili and forty. 799 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:47,599 Five AND i carried forty Count smith And. Wesson and 800 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,079 the main REASON i carry it is BECAUSE i carried 801 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,519 In SPRINGFIELD XD xd and of a full size and. 802 00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:59,719 Subcompact and the REASON i carry is BECAUSE i had 803 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,559 a free that had both those AND i picked them 804 00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:08,199 up and they felt. Right WHEN i was in the, 805 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:17,039 RESERVES i shot nineteen eleven's and The barrettas and they 806 00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,920 weren't that comfortable for, me AND i didn't shoot them that. 807 00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:25,280 Well so you, know, BASICALLY i, say you got to 808 00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:30,360 shoot enough guns to find, out, oh, yeah you're most 809 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,679 comfortable With. Now i've got other. Guns i've got, Revolvers 810 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,079 i've got nine mal AND i do believe THAT i 811 00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:42,320 need to shoot the other ones BECAUSE i think with 812 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:48,920 enough practice you can create decent. Proficiency but for, myself you, 813 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,840 know for my personal my concealed, CARRY i want to 814 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,400 carry what comes most naturally to. Me and so that's 815 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,159 WHERE i stand on. 816 00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 2: That. 817 00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 5: Sure, ye, LOOK i like the Xd i've always liked 818 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,559 THE xdu THE xdm, platforms and they feel good in my. 819 00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:09,320 Hands just wondering why you went with forty as opposed to. 820 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:16,079 Speaker 13: Nine, well because that's that's what my Friend john, had, 821 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,800 okay and WHAT i picked up and WHAT i, shot 822 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,760 and it worked for, me and they're, available AND i 823 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,239 haven't seen a reason to really. 824 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 4: Change, well, look there's go, ahead what, sorry go? Ahead, 825 00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:37,960 no that was. 826 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 13: IT i just you, know it's, uh LIKE i, Say 827 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,280 i've got other guns AND i need to create proficiency 828 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,039 with other. Things but but the forty cal and the 829 00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:52,800 XD's have been working for me as far as my, confidence. 830 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 4: And everything sounds. 831 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,079 Speaker 5: Good, WELL i, mean you found a gun you like 832 00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:57,840 and you shoot it, well and you know there's no 833 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,039 downside to a forty H m on maybe a little 834 00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:04,199 bit more, expensive but it's not a huge. Deal so you, 835 00:42:04,199 --> 00:42:06,239 know good on. You and then go shoot and have some. Fun, 836 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,039 yeah those are nice. Platforms thank you for the. CALL 837 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:10,400 i appreciate. THAT i do like the XD's and the. 838 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,719 XDMS i think they shoot really. Well and of course 839 00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:17,960 it's amazing how many incredibly good pistols we have, today 840 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,320 whether it's From springfield Or ruger Or smith OR hk or. 841 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,719 Whomever if then let's go on and on and. On 842 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,360 taurus makes some really nice. Pistols and To jonathan's, point 843 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,599 you got to put it in your. Hand you got 844 00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:33,239 to SAY i like the feel of. THIS i, mean 845 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,280 there will be some you go it's. Okay you know it's, 846 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,519 okay that's not good. Enough keep doing, it keep trying, 847 00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,239 it and you're gonna find one and, going oh, MAN 848 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:42,639 i like. 849 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 4: That. 850 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 5: Now having said, that a lot of the pistols we 851 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,559 have now The Striker fire pistols have replaceable, backstraps different. 852 00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:58,039 Sizes definitely try different. Backstraps if you have interchangeable you've 853 00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,199 got to swap them. OUT i have found that for 854 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,480 me and for a lot of, people even if they 855 00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:06,639 have big, hands the smallest backstrap tends to be the most. 856 00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,400 Comfortable so you might want to just try different. Ones 857 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:12,039 probably comes with the medium attached to. It you might 858 00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,639 just swap those out and see how they. Feel but, 859 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,239 yeah there are so many great pistols available, now AND 860 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,800 i mean they really are. Good at the four or 861 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,679 five six hundred dollar renes eat seven eight hundred dollar. 862 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,519 Ranges you get some really nice guns with good triggers, 863 00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:29,440 now and they're accurate and they do everything you wanted to. 864 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,440 Do to spend more money than that is just to 865 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,000 get something because you like. It, honestly it's not that 866 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,119 we need, it, it'say BUT i always wanted a nice nineteen. 867 00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:41,920 ELEVEN i really like the Dan WESSON i want to 868 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:46,760 find that's. Good that's reason. Enough don't let anybody shame 869 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,280 you into not getting the thing you. Want, okay there you. Go, 870 00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:52,480 hey when we come, BACK i want to talk about a. 871 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:56,840 HACK A Second amendment activist, hack a little thing you 872 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,320 can do that is incredibly effective and so few of 873 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,119 us actually take advantage of it