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Speaker 5: Hey, welcome back to gun Talk, Tom Gresham here. I
want to talk a little bit about at a great
event coming up, and I've talked about it in the
past and it's one that I think if you're a
Second Amendment activist or want to be, you ought to
get to it. First of all, it's free, and secondly
it is just gets better and better.
Speaker 4: It's amazing all the time.
Speaker 5: Joining me right now is the founder of the Second
Amendment Foundation and the Citizens Committee for the Rights Keeping
Bear Arms. Alan Gottlieb, also the guy who got me
started doing radio some thirty one years ago.
Speaker 6: Hey, Alan, Hey, Tom, good to be back with you.
Speaker 5: I am glad to have you here, and you know
I got enough I have to credit you or blame
you for getting gun Talk started.
Speaker 7: Well, I think I needed to credit because I think
you've had such an impact over the thirty one years
or so that it's been. The show has been so important,
and have you done such a great job for it
that it's credit not blamed.
Speaker 5: Well, okay, we'll take that run with it. But I
do appreciate it, all right, So we got to talk.
I mean, we'll start off with this. We've got a
lot of things to touch on. But Gun Rights Policy
Conference g RPC this year is going to be in
Dallas and it is amazing. I mean, the lineup of
speakers is spectacular this year.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're getting kind of lucky this year.
Speaker 6: Again.
Speaker 7: It's September twenty five through twenty seven at the Weston
Dallas Fort Worth Airport Hotel. So it's right on the hotel,
on the airport property almost so to speak. And of
course we just announced our keynote speaker, which I'm really
excited about, the Honorable Roger Benitez, tired ninth Circuit Court
of Appeals or Circuit judge, sometime on the Appeals Court,
sometimes just sitting by himself, but he is the judge
has made so many significant second Amendment rulings in the
Ninth Circuit in favor of gun rights, and I'm just
so excited to have him as a keynote speaker.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really want to hear Judge Benitez because the
opinions that he has written have been actually like textbook.
Everybody got to read him in terms of what does
the Second Amendment mean and how to look at it.
This is a great example. I don't know that he's
made talks like this in public before.
Speaker 6: No, I think this is his first one.
Speaker 7: And of course the impact he's had in the Ninth Circuit,
which is not usually gun friendly, has been absolutely amazing
and then copied by judges en quoted all over the
country in other circuits as well. And so I mean
the impact he has had in the legal area sitting
on the bench for gun rights has been unbelievable.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And for those who want to sign up, they
want to go, you can go to SAI dot org,
s a F dot org or Second d Foundation and
sign up for the Gun Rights Policy Conference is going
to be in Dallas.
Speaker 4: And oh yeah, it's free.
Speaker 5: I think I mentioned that, But it is an amazing
event and you can, as I say, and you said
it's at the airport. Really, you fly in and you
just hop over to the event. You can stay right there,
and obviously if you're local, you could drive in for
the day on Saturday and do that. It's there's a
Friday night gathering. Uh, it's all day Saturday and half
a day Sunday.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and as Saturday night reception as well as well.
Speaker 6: It's great. It's it's an unblieable event.
Speaker 7: Uh, we're probably gonna have a record turnout this year,
and uh so space might get kind of tight later on, so.
Speaker 6: I urge your listeners to register soon.
Speaker 7: Saf dot org And uh again, you got all the
key leaders from all the national groups that are there.
It's where review everything has gone on in the past
year and plot for the upcoming year.
Speaker 6: It's the gun rights event of the year.
Speaker 7: And the amount of repeat offenders or people that attend
more than one of them, it has gotten to be
really amazing.
Speaker 4: It is all right.
Speaker 5: I want to switch on if there's something I've been
thinking about over the last few weeks and kind of
goes along with this whole thirty one years of gun
talk and half a century or more for you and
gun rights activism. And I was thinking about this, thinking,
you know, thirty years ago, forty years ago, it was
not looking real good for gun rights.
Speaker 4: I mean, we had Gun Control Act of sixty.
Speaker 5: Eight, you know, we had the Brady Bill, we had
the Clinton gun Band, the so called assault weapons Band,
and everything was going the wrong way for us. And
I'm not sure back then that I could have imagined
all the successes that we are having right now. It
is just amazing to see the progress we've made.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it sure is.
Speaker 7: I didn't realize, you know, looking back, how bad it
was back then, but.
Speaker 6: It really was really bad and gloomy.
Speaker 7: But of course, again I like to always say that
our firearmspeedermor or second moment rights are only one election
away from extinction. Bottom line is is that it could
slip back just as quickly. I mean, you've got right
now the Democrats wanting to pack the US Supreme Court
with four anti gun judges to add into the mix.
And if that were to happen, all these great victories
we've had to be overturned.
Speaker 6: You know, in a heartbeat, it's kind of scary. This
battle's not going away.
Speaker 5: It's easy right now, and I fear that it's happening
for gun owners to get complacent and saying, Okay, well,
we got Trump, We've got things going our way. We're
winning in the Supreme Court. You know, we can kind
of catch our breath and not have to do anything.
But we got midterm elections coming up and things we
don't even have to wait until the next presidential election.
The midterms can flip things hugely, can't they.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I mean, any pro gun judges that get
nominated by President Trump can get denied confirmation by the
Senate flip's control as an example, and that would destroy
our whole litigation strategy or make us really rethink it.
And then right now and the midterms, things aren't looking
so good. The Democrats are very energized. The Democratic Socialist
of America, which is taking over their party, is extremely
anti gun on their agendas to go after gun.
Speaker 6: Owners and gun industry and gun rights.
Speaker 7: This is a time not to go to sleep, because
that's what the other side's hoping for.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they and they're powering it on. They really
got the energy.
Speaker 5: You're right, and I guess the worth of thing to
do is to make sure you're registered to vote and
make sure all your buddies are, your friends are, and
then make sure that everybody gets out to vote. And
I know that the election comes, you're in hunting season
and people are busy, But now you could do it
advance voting. I don't know, Alan, I'm just thinking about
how to put this. It is so critical, and you're right,
it doesn't look good right now.
Speaker 4: The polling is not good.
Speaker 5: We could lose both the House and the Senate and
it would be catastrophic for what's going on in terms
of particularly what's going on in terms of getting judges.
Speaker 6: Yeah, really catastrophic.
Speaker 7: So I'm doing everything I can to work on the
election cycle now as an individual, and I urge all.
Speaker 6: Your listeners to do so as well.
Speaker 7: This election is very, very critical because it's going to
set a tone for at least two years and probably
the twenty twenty presidential election cycle as well. So it's
it's imperative that we all take action and get engaged.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you, you you have good connections with
the Trump administration. You talk to the folks there, are
they as committed as it feels like they are now
to the Second Amendment and to gun rights with what
they're doing with ATF with the DOJ. I mean it
sounds and feels good.
Speaker 4: Is that real?
Speaker 6: It's more than real.
Speaker 7: In fact, the Trump administration is sending the ATF director
as well as the head legal counsel for ATF to
both speak at the Gun Rights Policy Conference, and we'll
probably have a few other administration speakers as well. And
then of course you look at harmat Dillon and the
Justice Department setting up a civil Rights division to help
protect gun rights where they have filed. You know, the
administration actually filed suits against anti gun states and cities
for some of their anti gun laws on the books.
Speaker 6: When they haven't filed directly.
Speaker 7: They're following amigospeace on behalf of the Second Amendment foundation
in our cases, which helps a whole lot and probably
helped us get the two cases that the Supreme Court
has taken for the next session of their Supreme Court calendar,
the twos open ban cases. It's saftis filed to hear
those cases and rule nationally. And my hope is you
know that they can rule our way. My feeling is
they definitely are, because if they took the cases, it's
because the only one they want to overturn these the
case low below it, which is going to affect twelve
states and Washington, DC'SUS open bans and to hopefully take
them off the books. Yeah, the administration has been critical.
Speaker 6: And very helpful.
Speaker 5: Right at the beginning of that, you said something, I
want to make sure people understand. At the Gun Rights
Policy Conference this year, we're going to have the head
of the ATF there.
Speaker 7: First time, and I don't know, forty some odd years,
that is unheard of.
Speaker 5: It has been such an adversarial relationship and it's exactly
not that anymore. And the fact that he's going to
be there is quite something. I mean, if anybody's wanting
to say, Okay, is this real, I think that tells
you it is in fact real.
Speaker 6: Yeah, i'd agree.
Speaker 5: People may or may not know you work on political
campaigns and political action outside of Staff Insistance Committee and
working on things there. You might just talk about the
need or how that's done in terms of targeting individual
campaigns in individual states.
Speaker 7: I run the American Political Action Committee known as a
mirror Pack. We're tracking twenty eight house districts right now
all across the country and working in twenty eight districts
as well as right this minute six US Senate races,
and it probably be up to eight in another month,
and those are the eight critical Senate races and twenty
eight key house races. And that's really where only action
is going to be the determine who controls the House
and the Senate. The polls are really really tight in
those twenty eight congressional districts could go either way, but
the Republicans need to be able to make sure on
those twenty eight districts that they capture about two thirds
of them to stay in control. And on the Senate side,
of course, as everybody watches the news, it gets crazier
by the day with the Democratic Socialists of America taking
over Democratic Party and enforcing extreme crazy candidates that don't
support individual rights at all, particularly Second Amendment rights, onto
the ballot, raising millions and millions and millions.
Speaker 6: Of dollars to support those candidates. This is a battle
of turning.
Speaker 7: Out manpower working in elections, as well as raising money
to run TV spots and internet spots. And you know,
radio Tom, this is a critical election.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 5: And you're right, the money is it's not just important,
The money is everything. It's yeah, it's value ads, but
it's off getting people to the polls voting.
Speaker 4: I keep hearing.
Speaker 5: That there's like crazy outside sorrows money coming in. Is
that like a conspiracy theory or is that really happening.
Speaker 6: Oh, it's really happening.
Speaker 7: Between George sorows pouring in. I think he's already put
in fifty five million dollars so far in this election cycle,
and the numbers will go way up.
Speaker 6: I'm going to say it's going to trust one hundred
million area. And then you've got.
Speaker 7: Michael Bloomberg as well, particularly on the gun side of it,
pouring a fortune into anti gun rights candidates because they
know homeportance for them to get controlled back of the courts.
The money they're putting in this election cycles can be
record amounts.
Speaker 5: We may not have that kind of money, but if
we all get off our rear ends, we can get
people to the polls, and that I think is going
to end up making the difference.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I sure hope.
Speaker 7: So it did in the twenty twenty four cycle filled
to elect President Trump, and the other side knows it
was gun owners that really elected Trump, that we were
the marginal difference in these key battle around states, and
they want to get even and.
Speaker 6: They're going for our throat, so to speak.
Speaker 7: We got to be cognitive the fact that we are
a target as well.
Speaker 5: There you go, and if you want to know more
about all of this, you'll be able to catch up
and get the very latest information on it at the
Gun Rights Policy Conference going to be held in September
in Dallas, Texas. Go to saf dot org and you
get that information. Alan Gottlie, thank you. I appreciate you
being here, appreciate you being my friend. And boy do
I ever appreciate the fact that you are an absolute
giant in the gun rights movement.
Speaker 7: Thank you for those kind words, Tom, But I couldn't
do it without a great supporting cast, and you've been
one of those supporting cast members for a lot of years.
Speaker 5: Long time now, my friend, how are you take care
of I plan to see you in Dallas.
Speaker 6: Thank you?
Speaker 4: All right? You take care, all right, don't go far.
We'll be right back.
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talk about the things you want to talk about. Nine
millimeters versus forty five. I got some thoughts on that.
By the way, I love forty fives, but I have
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Tom Talk. Gun joe called us out Of, Jefferson. Texas Hey,
joe you're on Gun. Talk what's on your?
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Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 11: Tom who heard some encouraging stuff today regarding the law AND.
AARs but you know our quote conservative, judges there seems
to be a couple that are a bit, wobbly AND
i was wanting to get your take on. That is
there any concern? There And i'm gonna hang none much.
Speaker 5: Talk, no there's no concern. Whatsoever we're going to win this.
Case and, LOOK i know people, say, well what About
Amy Cony. Berrett she's going to be. Fine she may
not have voted the way you wanted on other, cases
AND i get, that but on this, issue she's gonna be.
Fine we're going to win THIS ar fifteen band case
at The Supreme, court probably gonna go six to. Three if,
possible it could go five, four BUT i think it's
gonna go six to.
Speaker 4: Three it's gonna be.
Speaker 5: Interesting i'm hoping that if the case is in fact
heard In, december That i'm able to get TO dc
and sit there on the court in the in the
audience and listen to the arguments for this. Case that's
gonna be really. Interesting and of course now we can
listen to it. Live we don't have cameras in, there
but we do have, audio and we can listen to it,
live and we get the recording so we can hear
all the. Arguments being. Made but, no it's a good.
QUESTION i appreciate, It. JOE i don't have any concerns at.
ALL i feel completely comfortable saying we are going to
win THE ar fifteen band case before The Supreme. Court
we just won On friday AN ar fifteen ban case
in The Third, circuit and that was In New. Jersey
New jersey had had IT'S ar fifteen band since nineteen.
Ninety nineteen. Ninety the people In New jersey have been
living under this gun ban and now it's going. Away
not gone quite. Yet a few extra steps that don't
rush out and buy anything right, now but the ban
on what they call large capacity or high capacity, magazines
that's going. Away the ban on semi automatic rifles is
going away. Now The Seventh circuit just issued a ruling
supporting a ban on air fifteens using totally nonsensical logic and.
Excuses AND i mean they're saying that air fifteens are
not in common. Use, WELL i don't know what constitutes common,
use But I'm i'm pretty sure thirty million of them.
Does in The catano, case that's one that you got
to be really into this. Stuff but that was a
ban on stun guns or, tasers and they said there
are two hundred thousand of them in the country at
the time being, used and so those were in common,
Use so you can't ban stun. Guns, well if two
hundred thousand is enough to tick the box for common,
Use i'm pretty sure thirty million does that as. Well
and Again i'm not worried about. IT i, mean, yeah
The service circle that they did stupid. Stuff The Ninth
circuit always does stupid, stuff and we'll probably have to
beat The Ninth circuit about the head and shoulders with more.
Lawsuits but we're gonna win, this and we're gonna win
a lot of other. Cases we're gonna win In california
on their handgun. Roster we're gonna win on a number
of lawsuits there because if they can get up to
The Supreme court or we can apply The Supreme court
rulings against, them we're gonna win those as. Well it's
an amazing. Time BUT i go back to the. WHOLE
i like to look at the individual, level not what
are they? Doing you, know people are, saying what's THE nra,
Doing what are they?
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Speaker 5: Individually you that just the one Person i'm talking to.
You what are you doing to advance gun? Rights what are?
YOU i, mean have you sent? Money BECAUSE i mean
that's how it. Works we don't have the, billionaires so
we got to cough up twenty five to fifty one
hundred bucks at a time each of. Us so throw
twenty five or fifty bucks into the. Kitty, well you,
Know i'm on, yeah, yeah, YEAH i. Know nobody has ulimited.
BUDGETS i get. It but trust, me if you passed
Up starbucks three times a week for half a, year
you got a pretty nice donation to make to your
favorite gun rights.
Speaker 4: Group there's a way to get.
Speaker 5: THERE i actually run a piece AND i put it
up ON x on how to buy a five thousand dollar,
Gun AND i just was playing with some, numbers AND i,
mean this is nothing new to anybody if you've looked
at it at. All but you can buy a five
thousand dollar gun by putting twenty dollars away per week
for five.
Speaker 4: Years, done, Deal you got.
Speaker 2: It pretty.
Speaker 5: Much anybody can buy twenty bucks a week from, somewhere you,
know cut back on burgers or shakes Or starbucks or.
Speaker 4: Whatever it.
Speaker 5: Is there's something out there guarantee you if you. Decide
but the only way to make that, happen here's your,
tip is you got to figure out the gun you.
Want can't be just, OH i want a, gun make a, model, caliber,
cartridge everything about, it and then you got to write it.
Down it's not enough to, say it's not enough to think.
It it has to be written down for it to be.
Real write it down and then put a date on.
Speaker 4: It in five.
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It for what it's gonna happen As you're gonna start
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quickly and you, will in, fact to be able to
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Know is there a five thousands dollar gun out there
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Speaker 4: Back I'm Tom. Gresham this is gun.
Speaker 5: TALK i always wanted to bring back a good friend of.
Ours he is a great voice for the second amendment
and sometimes often brings a different. Perspective Chris change joins
us right. Now you Know chris as of course the
winner Of Top. Shot there's a GREAT tv. Show but Also,
chris you have been an outspoken advocate for gun, safety
but sometimes bringing a little bit of a different, twist
possibly coming from your background in the dot com.
Speaker 2: World, indeed, yeah Thanks tom for having me. On And
DIYer was.
Speaker 12: Recently published in The Boston herald AND i wrote an
opinion piece about How americans are getting tired of gun
control and ultimately, voters we want, accountability, Right we all
want safer, communities we want crime to go. Down but
we need to focus on three pieces and they are.
Speaker 2: Education, enforcement and.
Speaker 12: Accountability and so with you know, this we have a
rise in first time gun, ownership and with that rise
in new gun owners we need to really commit ourselves
to training new gun owners and encouraging them and helping
them understand how critical firearms safety and safe storage and education.
Speaker 2: Is and then of course the second well.
Speaker 5: Before moving to the sec, one let me just mention
we have all these new gun, owners it's both an
opportunity and a challenge for those of us to Say,
okay welcome, in and we're glad you're, here but there
are some things you probably should. Know and isn't that
incompetent upon, us as the knowledgeable veteran gun owners to, Say,
okay we're going to take this on as a.
Speaker 12: Responsibility, absolutely SO i take it as a personal. Responsibility
where IF i IF i see a new, shooter whether
it's one of my friends or a new, student or
If i'm just at the range AND i see, someone you,
know struggling.
Speaker 2: A little, bit you, KNOW i don't want to be.
Speaker 12: Overbearing BUT i want to maybe just drop a little
bit of a. Hint, hey you, know keep your finger
off the trigger until you're ready to. Shoot oh, hey
you know it seems like you're having a challenge loading
your magazine.
Speaker 2: In you're just being a friendly face to.
Speaker 5: That new, shoe right, right you, know BECAUSE i think
they don't know what they don't know, Exactly and we
were all in that place at one.
Speaker 12: Point, right even if you grew up with, guns, right
even as a, kid, right you didn't know the first
thing about firearm safety unless your father or another.
Speaker 2: Adult taught you.
Speaker 12: That AND i think there's too many, people too many
new gun owners who think all they need to do
to keep themselves safe is buy the. Gun and of
course we all know buying the gun is just the
very first. Step you can't just buy the tool and
expect to be proficient at, it. Right you have to,
practice and you have to learn the. Skill you have
to understand, marksmanship and so simply buying a gun is
not going to keep you. Safe in, fact buying a
gun and not learning how to use it actually might
be more.
Speaker 2: Dangerous.
Speaker 12: Right you're more likely to hurt or yourself or someone
else if you don't understand how to properly handle and
safely store that.
Speaker 2: Firearm AND i.
Speaker 5: Like the way you position it where you're not walking
in and, saying hey, guys knock that. Off you start off, with, hey,
guys you know you could really help us out over
here if you could work on a couple of safety.
Things i'd be happy to show. You but you start
off a little softer and non.
Speaker 12: Confrontational, Yeah and my heart goes out to range officers
also the country.
Speaker 2: Because I've i've been an R.
Speaker 12: O i've had many guns pointed loaded, guns you, know
pointed at it.
Speaker 2: Is, obviously, uh you know it is it is a frightening. Experience.
Speaker 12: Uh and and you, know, sometimes of course you do
need to be more stern uh with some with some new.
Shooters but you, KNOW i think most people are going
to be more responsive to a kinder approach uh firearms
safety and education and start.
Speaker 2: There and then of, course, hey.
Speaker 12: You, know if you need to escalate and be more,
firm of, course, RIGHT i mean that that's of course
our prerogative as a range, officer.
Speaker 4: Right because you've got to make.
Speaker 5: It, say all, right let's bump to your second, point
which is one THAT i think a lot of people
could get. Behind but in the gun, world it kind
of makes people nervous when you talk about mental.
Speaker 2: Health, yeah you, know so you, KNOW i referred for.
Speaker 12: DECADES i think it's been very clear, that you, know
mental health is something that continues to be a problem
and a challenge here in our. Country and like any,
problem we've got to confront it head. On we've got
to Encourage americans to face.
Speaker 2: Face down our. Demons.
Speaker 12: Right it's, like, hey look like everybody goes through, hard,
challenging difficult.
Speaker 2: Moments in life at one point or.
Speaker 12: Another and the way that we often get through those
tough moments is to lean on our, family lean on our,
friends lean on your community and your support, network where
sometimes it, requires you, know talking to.
Speaker 2: A mental health.
Speaker 12: Professional of, course when we start talking about The Second
amendment and your civil, rights and this overlap with mental health.
Providers you, know there are some mental health providers who
do have the power to take away or suspend your
civil rights if you are proving to be a harm
to yourself or to. Others and so there is this
sort of this this this this gray space that we are.
Speaker 2: Exploring but this is Where Second amendment.
Speaker 12: Advocates like me and lots of other, folks you, know
we want to make sure that mental health providers are
educated and prepared to speak to gun owners will not
prejudge us just.
Speaker 2: Because we own a, gun is one, example you.
Speaker 5: Know and also we can help each other in terms
of you, know, hey, buddy are you, okay let's talk about,
that and you, know the whole idea of you, know
if you're really in a bad, place you can ask
a friend to hold your guns for you kind of a.
Thing but the THING i want to make sure people
understand what we're really talking about here in many cases
is the horrific numbers of, suicides and that's the number
one cause of death with, firearms and we as gun,
owners we got to get in front of.
Speaker 4: That it's not enough to just.
Speaker 5: Sit there and go, no, no, no because then you're
not really taking part in the. Solution we got to
get out there and get in front of this and, Say,
okay we're going to help each, other which is really
what it amounts to it, That, chris we're helping each
other when we work on this.
Speaker 12: Issue absolutely, Right and so we don't need government to
be intervening and providing red flag laws.
Speaker 2: And other sorts of government.
Speaker 12: Intervention at the core of solving this mental health. CRISIS
i think communities and individuals and friends and families supporting each.
Other just like you, said If i'm going through a tough,
TIME i can ask my buddy to hold my, guns
OR i can ask him or her to change the
code to my safe and they have the, code and
IF i want access to my, guns THEN i need
to go through my, friend just as a.
Speaker 2: Buddy check kind of like.
Speaker 5: IT i like, it all, right bounce down to your third,
point which is WHERE i think we could all get behind.
Speaker 12: Here oh, Man, right you, KNOW i grew up and
come from a place where if you're breaking the, law
we need to enforce the laws on the books and.
Prosecute and SOMEHOW i feel like our country has gotten
away from this very simple concept of let's enforce the
laws that we have on the. Books let's go after,
criminals people who are actually committing crimes with, firearms and
let's punish them instead of passing all this crazy gun
control legislation that is targeting the law abiding sid wrong,
people and, me it's just targeting the wrong. People so
let's enforce the laws that we already have on the
books and go after the criminals that are committing crimes with.
Speaker 5: Firearms pretty simple. Stuff it seems like it's. Simple we're
talking With Chris. Chang, simple it should be. Stimple we're
talking With Chris, chang of, course the winner of The
Top shots, competition a competitive. Shooter, really you have become a.
SPOKESMAN i, mean you've testified Before congress and you are
one of these thinkers that people, go, well what wonder
What chris would think about? That and we just want
to tell you we appreciate you taking on that role
because sometimes it's got to be at least uncomfortable in
a bit of a, burden and sometimes you're probably you
get some.
Speaker 12: Pushback, Absolutely and you, know for, me it's all volunteer.
Work and you, Know i'm very passionate and thankful for you,
know being born here In, america for providing the opportunities
and the level of success That i've been able to
achieve here in this. Country you, Know, TOM i have a,
story a success story that could only happen In, america
where a self taught amateur gay tech guy From Silicon
valley could go onto a shooting competition and win one
hundred thousand dollars and quit my tech job to go
shoot full time for Bass pro shops and travel the
country and shoot.
Speaker 2: GUNS i mean that's like a.
Speaker 4: Break, yeah you, KNOW i believe.
Speaker 12: That i'm so grateful and. Thankful, Okay, america all.
Speaker 4: Right you threw it out. THERE i got it before
we moved to this other.
Speaker 5: THING i gotta, say we've had this conversation, before and
you told, me he, Said, yo my gay friends told me, said,
well you can't tell the people in their shooting community
that you're, gay because you know how they. Are and
then you find out nobody.
Speaker 2: Cares, yeah, yeah it's, like that's. Great are you safe
with the?
Speaker 4: Gun can you? Shoot? Cool come with, Me it's.
Speaker 12: Fine that's been one of the most wealth.
Speaker 2: Warming, feelings right that this this this fear THAT.
Speaker 12: I had that gun owners would be prejudiced against you,
know gay.
Speaker 2: People it just really hasn't panned, out you, know those
fears THAT i.
Speaker 12: Had, wow it's been almost fifteen years ago since since you,
KNOW i Won Top shot and Left Silicon valley and you,
know came into the firearms, industry you.
Speaker 2: Know full.
Speaker 12: Time and So i've had a wonderful dual career In
Silicon valley and of course in the firearms, industry AND
i fox really find there's a little bit more prejudice
in The San francisco area, here prejudice against me as
a gun. Owner oh my, GOSH i have more prejudiced
against me as the, gunners and then the gun owners
have against me as a as a as a gay.
Speaker 2: Person so that's kind of this weird role. Reversal you, KNOW.
Speaker 4: I hadn't thought of, it and at the same, Time
i'm not.
Speaker 5: Surprised, Okay we've got to talk about this newest project of.
Yours WHICH i think is so all, right take take
it away because it's A kickstarter.
Speaker 2: Program, yes SO i have written A World war two.
Speaker 12: Novel it's a fictional historical account based on true stories
of what's dubbed The Purple Heart.
Speaker 2: Battalion and that is the name of the.
Speaker 12: Book The Purple Heart battalion is a SEGREGATED Us army
Unit Japanese. Americans they are the one Hundred Infantry battalion
slash four hundred and forty Second Regimental Combat.
Speaker 2: Team and these, men many of.
Speaker 12: Them volunteered from the incarceration camps here In america During
World War, two and they volunteered for The army and
they were fighting fascism abroad while their families were still
behind barbed wire here at.
Speaker 2: Home and this unit is dubbed The Purple.
Speaker 12: Heart battalion because they are the most decorated unit In
United states military history for the size and duration of their.
Service and this is a lesser told story Of World War.
Two and These Japanese americans who bravely fought For america
for our values when our country questioned their, loyalty and
we put one hundred and twenty thousand Innocent americans Of
japanese descent behind barbed wire here On american, soil and
if you look at that part Of american, history it's
such a stain on our.
Speaker 2: History, however the reason WHY i Wrote The Purple Heart.
Speaker 12: Beat time is BECAUSE i person was so inspired to
learn about these men, who under impossible, circumstances When, america
when we fell short of our, ideals they stood up
and they, said you know, what we still believe In.
America we believe that freedom and liberty is literally worth
fighting for and dying for to not only prove my
loyalty To, america but to also restore my family's. Honor
and this is ultimately The Purple Heart betime novel is
a love, story love Of, america love of family and
the values that we have.
Speaker 5: Here and so The KICKSTARTER i was just going to,
say you know what it, is it's a great story
of what it, means what it really means to be
An american indeed.
Speaker 12: Exactly and you, know there's always going to be people
who are going to try and define you.
Speaker 2: Right to tell you belong to this.
Speaker 12: And you don't belong to, that and none of that
matters what everyone else says about.
Speaker 2: You just does not. Matter it always comes from. You
and if you believe.
Speaker 12: That you belong here In america and that you Aren't,
american and you are going to support civil, rights liberty and,
freedom those are Core american. Values and so The Purple Heart,
battalion these, men they lived, it they died for, it
and they ultimately overcame prejudice here at. Home and so
the story of The Purple Heart, battalion you, know they
they're called The Greatest generation for a, reason, right and
this is just another wonderful.
Speaker 2: Story.
Speaker 12: Yeah, NOW i think a lot Of americans need that
kind of a.
Speaker 5: Story and let me just tell people that this is
basically it's like all the other big. Projects you've got
to get funding for. It i've already jumped. IN i
joined The, KICKSTARTER i put in my order for the.
Book explain How kickstarter works and what people can.
Speaker 12: Do, yeah so you know The kickstarter, platform kickstarter dot.
Com i'm raising funds to get the book. Published So
i'm self. Publishing i'm super. Excited The kickstarter platform allows
me to sell not only an ebook the paperback hardcover,
versions but there's a high end luxury hardcover.
Speaker 2: Edition with you, know goldfoil edge.
Speaker 12: Papers but then there's also special rewards such as a
book Club zoom for maybe your, company your, organization like
if you're A Boy scout troop or A knights Of
columbus or a veteran, group you can invite me for
a book club type discussion over.
Speaker 2: Zoom The. Ultimate The ultimate.
Speaker 12: Awards rewards ARE i have a private forest retreat here
in The Santa Cruz mountains Of, california my own private shooting,
range and so you can come and spend a half
day or up to a.
Speaker 2: Full, weekend so you, know it could be you and your.
Speaker 4: Bodies so people can go shoot with top Shot, chris that's.
Speaker 12: Right and you know we've got we've got almost two
hundred acres of redwood forested, land so you, know a
whole we have a whole variety of outdoor.
Speaker 2: Activities for that winner to choose. From so but you
know that's on the high end of the.
Speaker 12: Rewards but you, know ultimately this is about getting the
story out, there and so any way that you can
support The, kickstarter ideally buy a. Book the e book
is eight, dollars the paperback eighteen, dollars the hardcover twenty five.
Dollars you, know very standard pricing four, books and so
the funds raised through The kickstarter will help me self
publish the book and also support a nationwide pr book
tour SO i can continue to tell this amazing story
of The Purple Heart, battalion a lesser Told World war
two story about patriotism and what it means to belong In.
Speaker 5: America so, cool go to kickstarter dot. Com just put
In Purple Heart. Battalion it pops right, up and you
know basically WHAT i. DID i jumped. IN i want
to hardcover a copy of the, book SO i grab
one of. Those and you, know you're getting pretty close
to hitting your number. Here we just need to get
some folks in there and get their orders. In so
you got enough money to get this thing published.
Speaker 12: Indeed, Yeah and The kickstarter is live Until august, third
so please jump on The kickstarter. Today i've only got
maybe two weeks left, here And i'm really.
Speaker 2: Excited we're going To we're going to hit that. Goal
but of.
Speaker 12: COURSE i can't do it without.
Speaker 2: You and your listeners and everyone's help.
Speaker 12: Here so please help help support The Purple harpattalion and
help me bring this amazing book and this amazing story
to the.
Speaker 5: World it is a great, project And, CHRIS i appreciate
what you, do not just with, this but what you
do for advocacy for The Second amendment and for safe
shooting out.
Speaker 4: There so thank you. Again you're always welcome.
Speaker 2: Here thank you so much time for having me on.
Speaker 4: Today all, righty all, right let's go straight to the.
Speaker 5: Phones jonathan is In Moreheads, City North. Carolina, Hey, jonathan
you're on Gun.
Speaker 11: Talk, hey thank.
Speaker 13: You, yes, yeah you're talking about nine to mili and forty.
Five AND i carried forty Count smith And. Wesson and
the main REASON i carry it is BECAUSE i carried
In SPRINGFIELD XD xd and of a full size and.
Subcompact and the REASON i carry is BECAUSE i had
a free that had both those AND i picked them
up and they felt. Right WHEN i was in the,
RESERVES i shot nineteen eleven's and The barrettas and they
weren't that comfortable for, me AND i didn't shoot them that.
Well so you, know, BASICALLY i, say you got to
shoot enough guns to find, out, oh, yeah you're most
comfortable With. Now i've got other. Guns i've got, Revolvers
i've got nine mal AND i do believe THAT i
need to shoot the other ones BECAUSE i think with
enough practice you can create decent. Proficiency but for, myself you,
know for my personal my concealed, CARRY i want to
carry what comes most naturally to. Me and so that's
WHERE i stand on.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 5: Sure, ye, LOOK i like the Xd i've always liked
THE xdu THE xdm, platforms and they feel good in my.
Hands just wondering why you went with forty as opposed to.
Speaker 13: Nine, well because that's that's what my Friend john, had,
okay and WHAT i picked up and WHAT i, shot
and it worked for, me and they're, available AND i
haven't seen a reason to really.
Speaker 4: Change, well, look there's go, ahead what, sorry go? Ahead,
no that was.
Speaker 13: IT i just you, know it's, uh LIKE i, Say
i've got other guns AND i need to create proficiency
with other. Things but but the forty cal and the
XD's have been working for me as far as my, confidence.
Speaker 4: And everything sounds.
Speaker 5: Good, WELL i, mean you found a gun you like
and you shoot it, well and you know there's no
downside to a forty H m on maybe a little
bit more, expensive but it's not a huge. Deal so you,
know good on. You and then go shoot and have some. Fun,
yeah those are nice. Platforms thank you for the. CALL
i appreciate. THAT i do like the XD's and the.
XDMS i think they shoot really. Well and of course
it's amazing how many incredibly good pistols we have, today
whether it's From springfield Or ruger Or smith OR hk or.
Whomever if then let's go on and on and. On
taurus makes some really nice. Pistols and To jonathan's, point
you got to put it in your. Hand you got
to SAY i like the feel of. THIS i, mean
there will be some you go it's. Okay you know it's,
okay that's not good. Enough keep doing, it keep trying,
it and you're gonna find one and, going oh, MAN
i like.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 5: Now having said, that a lot of the pistols we
have now The Striker fire pistols have replaceable, backstraps different.
Sizes definitely try different. Backstraps if you have interchangeable you've
got to swap them. OUT i have found that for
me and for a lot of, people even if they
have big, hands the smallest backstrap tends to be the most.
Comfortable so you might want to just try different. Ones
probably comes with the medium attached to. It you might
just swap those out and see how they. Feel but,
yeah there are so many great pistols available, now AND
i mean they really are. Good at the four or
five six hundred dollar renes eat seven eight hundred dollar.
Ranges you get some really nice guns with good triggers,
now and they're accurate and they do everything you wanted to.
Do to spend more money than that is just to
get something because you like. It, honestly it's not that
we need, it, it'say BUT i always wanted a nice nineteen.
ELEVEN i really like the Dan WESSON i want to
find that's. Good that's reason. Enough don't let anybody shame
you into not getting the thing you. Want, okay there you. Go,
hey when we come, BACK i want to talk about a.
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