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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Policy and Rights Here Depictions Media Radio.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, of course, Michael Cloggs. In this particular episode,
Speaker 1: as we know, Donald Trump has won the presidency. He
Speaker 1: won the election a couple of days ago, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about what is happening because of
Speaker 1: him winning. And there's a lot of people that are
Speaker 1: up in arms in the United States, but moreover, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people up in arms around the world.
Speaker 1: One business people around the world are worried about Donald
Speaker 1: Trump with his ideas of burners. And one of the
Speaker 1: things is is this is like tariffs. What could potential
Speaker 1: car tarriffs mean or look like to here in bc
Speaker 1: UH to the softwood industry, there are many many other
Speaker 1: industries that are going to be hit with towers according
Speaker 1: to Make America Great Again policy that what is Donald
Speaker 1: Trump going to start imposing. He made a statement in
Speaker 1: his his speech when he started talking about oil and
Speaker 1: and things like that and other resources. He and he
Speaker 1: he kind of joking jokingly referenced it and he said,
Speaker 1: don't worry about the oil, Bobby.
Speaker 4: I have that.
Speaker 1: Because he was also referencing Robert Kennedy Jr. In In
Speaker 1: that statement. Also, and you're also gonna hear from the
Speaker 1: Minister of Environment as he made a comment about what
Speaker 1: some of the statements around oil and gas were made
Speaker 1: with in reference to Donald Trump. And the question I
Speaker 1: have is when he says don't worry about the oil
Speaker 1: or liquid gold, I think is that he may have
Speaker 1: actually put it don't worry about it, Bobby. Does that
Speaker 1: mean that he's planning on UH using American resources only
Speaker 1: and he is actually going to rule out resources from Alberta.
Speaker 1: The Canadian sources are thinking that maybe he's going to
Speaker 1: buy the oil and gas from Canadian sources, but does
Speaker 1: it really mean that or is he going to or
Speaker 1: is he going to cut Canada out? So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of question question marks around that, but also question
Speaker 1: marks around tarifs and what this could actually mean for
Speaker 1: the American people is that choices for products are going
Speaker 1: to become extremely limited in a market it is used
Speaker 1: to having a plethora of uh of choices available to
Speaker 1: them from different places. The American public has gotten used
Speaker 1: to being able to click around on the Internet and
Speaker 1: be able to drop and drag into their into their
Speaker 1: shopping cards different things from around the world, not just
Speaker 1: American sources. So that means that Americans could be paying
Speaker 1: more for products than what they think that such a
Speaker 1: policy could actually raise the prices and raise debts, the
Speaker 1: average debt of the American citizen because they of the
Speaker 1: limited choices.
Speaker 4: Because of the tariffs.
Speaker 1: So that means it that they have to pay a
Speaker 1: higher rate of tax on anything that comes from outside
Speaker 1: the country. There's a lot more to be looked at
Speaker 1: with tariffs and how that is actually going to affect
Speaker 1: the end customer, not only how it is going to
Speaker 1: affect the industries are outside of the United States, are
Speaker 1: they going to be able to sell their products in
Speaker 1: the United States, Are they going to be able to
Speaker 1: remain competitive? And what does competitive really mean to a
Speaker 1: group of people that are used to a multitude of
Speaker 1: choices and are willing to pay for those choices. So
Speaker 1: a lot of question marks on that.
Speaker 5: I do like what.
Speaker 1: Stephen Gilbert says about we are not Canada is not
Speaker 1: a carbon copy of the United States, that they are
Speaker 1: their own sovereign country and they will do things the
Speaker 1: Canadian way, So that in of itself is a plus.
Speaker 1: That there are also other question marks around the world
Speaker 1: that when I talked to sources in Lebanon that will
Speaker 1: his attitudes towards the Middle East actually stir more trouble
Speaker 1: than it solves. Mister Trump said in his victory speech
Speaker 1: that he is looking to put an end to the
Speaker 1: wars rather than create new wars, and there's a question
Speaker 1: mark of how he's going to actually accomplish that. So
Speaker 1: it's a what and see sort of thing in January,
Speaker 1: and it is also a hurried up sort of thing
Speaker 1: for mister Biden and Miss Harris to get some business
Speaker 1: accomplished and do something that positive for especially for the
Speaker 1: Middle East and as we heard in the earlier episode
Speaker 1: about people like me a Shim who were held hostage
Speaker 1: and are trying to get their friends safe and home
Speaker 1: from out of the Hamas tara Uh tunnels where torture, darkness,
Speaker 1: and despair are happening.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot to.
Speaker 1: A lot is lying on on on on the table.
Speaker 1: A lot of things are at stake and how things
Speaker 1: are going to roll out need needs to be figured out.
Speaker 1: So moving things back to Canada, we're going to hear
Speaker 1: from ndp MP and she is going to talk about
Speaker 1: the housing crisis, and she's going to make some pretty
Speaker 1: bold statements about how maybe the housing crisis has been
Speaker 1: engineered and guided along to the point of where it
Speaker 1: is by past governments, and that some of the government
Speaker 1: policies that regulate foreign investors domestic investors into the real
Speaker 1: estate market are actually having effect on the housing market
Speaker 1: itself that actually may have caused this crisis and caused
Speaker 1: the rents to be what they are so that is
Speaker 1: not affordable to the average person. Along with that, since
Speaker 1: we're to still have Donald Trump in the foreground, as
Speaker 1: policies are going that in the software industry, if a
Speaker 1: major group of clients across the border in the US
Speaker 1: can no longer buy softwood because it's not affordable for
Speaker 1: them to buy the softwood from the British forestry industry.
Speaker 1: That how does that affect the pricing here in Canada
Speaker 1: when they can't sell in one direction but they have
Speaker 1: to make up the profit and the production here in
Speaker 1: Canada and only in Canada that they can't be shipped.
Speaker 1: That the a major major buying source has now disappeared.
Speaker 1: What does that actually mean? Something else to think about that,
Speaker 1: how is the software industry in British Columbia going to
Speaker 1: survive tariffs? Because tariffs is something there that become extremely
Speaker 1: important because you're not selling to a consumer, you're selling
Speaker 1: to other businesses. The software industry goes. It's nearly completely
Speaker 1: business to business and if those businesses can achieve their
Speaker 1: goals and and build without your materials, they will do so.
Speaker 1: So how is how is it going to be negotiated
Speaker 1: so that the software industry of British Columbia stays competitive
Speaker 1: with the US forestry industry and supplying building supplies to
Speaker 1: the American market as well as the Canadian markets. So
Speaker 1: housing industry or building houses here in Canada at an
Speaker 1: all time crisis. It's not a matter of just simply
Speaker 1: building the houses, making those houses so that they're built
Speaker 1: in an affordable way.
Speaker 4: If they if.
Speaker 1: The building supply manufacturers have to raise their prices, that
Speaker 1: means that it feeds into the unaffordability of the housing
Speaker 1: market and makes it even more difficult for people to
Speaker 1: find a home to live in. So something else to
Speaker 1: talk about. We're going to also hear from the United
Speaker 1: Nations as their statements made that we should be calling
Speaker 1: a genocide a genocide if that's what it is. So
Speaker 1: listen all the way to the end and hear some
Speaker 1: UN comments about what is happening in Middle East and
Speaker 1: what genocide could really mean. So off we go, and
Speaker 1: let's start off with comments from the MP's as they
Speaker 1: were going into caucus in Ottawa. There's a lot lying
Speaker 1: on the table in a lot at steak. We're gonna
Speaker 1: hear also from Ottawa as a NDP MP makes comments
Speaker 1: about the housing market, and she's gonna make some pretty
Speaker 1: bold comments about how past governments, liberal and conservative governments
Speaker 1: may have actually engineered the housing crisis to what we
Speaker 1: see now by their own actions, and that mister Trudeau
Speaker 1: and mister Polvier are still continuing on that same path
Speaker 1: that is creating housing markets that are unaffordable to the
Speaker 1: average person. If we add in the the potential terrorists
Speaker 1: that could be on the way by mister Trump to
Speaker 1: the softwood industry. Now, remember the softwood industry is strictly
Speaker 1: a business to business industry. So that means that if
Speaker 1: the softwoid industry way of tariffs is no longer competitive
Speaker 1: in the marketplace in the United States, that means that
Speaker 1: they have to sell their products only to Canadian sources
Speaker 1: or mostly Canadian sources in other and a few other
Speaker 1: sources around the world. That it will actually have an
Speaker 1: effect on the housing prices because they're going to have
Speaker 1: to raise the prices of the soft wood in order
Speaker 1: to make up the profits that they need need to
Speaker 1: achieve for running their own business without a major buyer
Speaker 1: that to to supply that the software industry in itself
Speaker 1: would would have to raise his prices to Canadian sources,
Speaker 1: and that means that Canadian housing now goes up, the
Speaker 1: cost of housing goes up again. So we're gonna hear
Speaker 1: hear more about that. We're also going to hear from
Speaker 1: the United nations. As a speaker asks us to call
Speaker 1: a genocide a genocide, and it means that if we
Speaker 1: listen closely, we'll hear a little bit about what it
Speaker 1: means to have a genocide. What are those steps that
Speaker 1: actually cause a genocide, and how do we react to
Speaker 1: them and put a stop to them so that a
Speaker 1: genocide does not happen and that we all find equal
Speaker 1: human rights in our world. So let's start off with
Speaker 1: the NPS at Ottawa as they talk about the effects
Speaker 1: of the Donald Trump victory as he becomes the next
Speaker 1: the four seventh president of the United States and what
Speaker 1: it actually means to Canada.
Speaker 6: And mister Geepoll, what do you make of trump swing yesterday?
Speaker 6: How are you going to deal with a US president
Speaker 6: that's combative own environmental issues. He's going to roll back
Speaker 6: a lot of advancements that Bidy administration made.
Speaker 7: Well, first, I mean Canada and the US have the
Speaker 7: long history of collaboration on a number of different issues.
Speaker 4: Number one.
Speaker 7: Number two, what I would say, and I said that
Speaker 7: to some of your colleagues this morning. If you look at,
Speaker 7: for example, the Inflation Reduction Act the IRA, some people
Speaker 7: are saying, oh, he's going to cut that. Actually, the
Speaker 7: vast majority of those investments are in Republican states. Billions
Speaker 7: of dollars being invested in Republican states, thousands of jobs
Speaker 7: being created in Republican states. So you'll have Republican governors, senators,
Speaker 7: members of Congress. So we'll say, hold on a second.
Speaker 7: This is good for us, This is good for our economy,
Speaker 7: this is good for jobs. More and more, the issue
Speaker 7: of the environment and specifically climate change in the United
Speaker 7: States and around the world is viewed in the eyes.
Speaker 4: Of a security issue.
Speaker 7: How do you get access to certain critical components, critical minerals.
Speaker 7: The US Department of Defense is investing in Canada because
Speaker 7: they want to reduce their dependencies on China for many
Speaker 7: of these components. We will be a partner of choice
Speaker 7: for the United States, as we are for other of
Speaker 7: our like minded allies around the world.
Speaker 6: You do sound very optimistic here. This is a president
Speaker 6: that said drill, baby, drill.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying there won't be challenges, and let's see
Speaker 7: what the agenda the president will be, but I'm saying
Speaker 7: we've worked with them in the past. We've worked with
Speaker 7: a Republican administration in the past. We've worked with the
Speaker 7: Democratic administration in the past, we can do this.
Speaker 8: I have to one last question, Kay, how can you
Speaker 8: are you going to rethink the oil and gas emissions
Speaker 8: capital given the fact that we have now a president elect.
Speaker 8: This is drill, baby drill, and Canada's oil and gas
Speaker 8: industry is going to be looking at that quite closely.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 7: I mean the Canada is independent from the United States,
Speaker 7: and we adopt our own laws and regulations, we will.
Speaker 8: Count less competitive for businesses to do business in Canada
Speaker 8: compared to the US. It says jill, baby drill.
Speaker 7: We are put in place draft regulations to cap the
Speaker 7: pollution of the oil and gas sector, which shows that
Speaker 7: they can increase their production by sixteen percent by twenty
Speaker 7: thirty while reducing pollution by thirty five percent and more
Speaker 7: more United States, the US doesn't have carbon pressing.
Speaker 4: We have carbon pressing.
Speaker 7: We have different there there are many different things that
Speaker 7: we do differently between the US and Canada. We're not
Speaker 7: going to We're not a carbon copy of the United
Speaker 7: States and we won't be, thank you.
Speaker 10: Bok minister Ian.
Speaker 11: Will we talk to you about the US election and
Speaker 11: what that means for women's right, Well, we were prepared
Speaker 11: for either outcome. And that's why I've been so vigilant
Speaker 11: with regards to women's rights. And you have noticed that
Speaker 11: last week within the Wayans and Means motion, I table
Speaker 11: legislation on pregnancy crisis centers. And it's to make sure
Speaker 11: that they're doing the right thing and making sure that
Speaker 11: they let Canadian women know exactly what they're offering and
Speaker 11: not offering, or are they risk losing their charitable status.
Speaker 11: This is something that we're vigilant about. So we'll keep watch,
Speaker 11: we'll keep doing what we do, what we were prepared
Speaker 11: for for either outcome.
Speaker 4: We've been working really hard over the border.
Speaker 10: Why did the impact here in Canada from your.
Speaker 11: Respect, Well, we know that there are women that try
Speaker 11: to come to this country. When that happens their border cities,
Speaker 11: we see numbers going off, and so this is why
Speaker 11: it's so important, you know. It's I sometimes think about
Speaker 11: the questions that I get and people will say, well,
Speaker 11: women have you know, freedom of choice here, women have
Speaker 11: all these things.
Speaker 4: Why do you even think this is important?
Speaker 11: And I say, well, the women over there thought they
Speaker 11: had that freedom too, and so we should never ever
Speaker 11: be asleep at the switch.
Speaker 4: We should always be vigilanting.
Speaker 12: Are you do anything to prepare for those women to
Speaker 12: starting to come over the border?
Speaker 9: I mean, are you.
Speaker 11: We're always preparing and we're always looking at various scenarios.
Speaker 11: But as I said, we've prepared for either outcome, and
Speaker 11: we have for a long time.
Speaker 8: Reproductive rights is a priority for women over the possible looking.
Speaker 8: America just had a chance to elect them across on
Speaker 8: the issue of reproductive rights, and they chose not to.
Speaker 11: I think there was a lot there. It wasn't just
Speaker 11: about reproductive rights.
Speaker 8: In the States central part of their campaign, and they
Speaker 8: targeted women.
Speaker 11: You know, they did really really well in the midterms
Speaker 11: when they did. I just think times are tough, and
Speaker 11: when times are tough and prices are high, that kitchen
Speaker 11: table issues are important and they become more important. People
Speaker 11: are having a hard time feeding their families and that's
Speaker 11: the number one issue. You know, they're talking about crime
Speaker 11: and safety of their family and friends and neighborhoods. That's
Speaker 11: an issue. It's not just one thing, it's several. There's
Speaker 11: several parts.
Speaker 8: What do you think that Trump presidency is went to
Speaker 8: This is a big question for the world, for the
Speaker 8: conflicts we see and for how Canada wants to see
Speaker 8: them resolved.
Speaker 5: All of the American people has spoken. I mean, I
Speaker 5: think from our Canadian perspective, we'll be respectful of that,
Speaker 5: but we'll also look at what this means for Canada. Obviously,
Speaker 5: we have to stand up for Canadians, we have to
Speaker 5: send up for Canadian issues and values, but we have
Speaker 5: to work together. So this is going to be an
Speaker 5: interesting thing, and I think that extends beyond our borders
Speaker 5: of Canada and the US as well. We work well
Speaker 5: with Americans around the world.
Speaker 12: I mean I.
Speaker 4: Travel a lot foreign affairs. I travel the.
Speaker 5: World, counts on the Americans to be what it's about security,
Speaker 5: but it's about international aid and development. So we will
Speaker 5: be working with them and finding a way to do this.
Speaker 5: We've been there before, you know. We show that we
Speaker 5: can get good value for Canadians and our relationships with
Speaker 5: the Americans, and we'll continue to do that. I think
Speaker 5: I think the Prime Minister's ready and I think you'll
Speaker 5: do it well.
Speaker 8: Are you concerned what it means for a country like Ukraine?
Speaker 8: I mean Trump was in before you crack, but there
Speaker 8: was a lot of war in the Middle East. There
Speaker 8: was a lot of war in Ukraine, and mister Trump
Speaker 8: has some pretty strong opinions on how he wants so
Speaker 8: to end.
Speaker 5: I know where we stand on Ukraine. WILL stand for
Speaker 5: an independent, sovereign Ukraine with territorial integrity, and we will
Speaker 5: speak with our G seven partners about that.
Speaker 4: All the time.
Speaker 5: We will stand united and will stand with the people
Speaker 5: of Ukraine and making sure that they have what they
Speaker 5: need to defend themselves.
Speaker 8: As a Liberal, I was gonna say, as a liberal,
Speaker 8: do you have any takeaways yet from what happened in
Speaker 8: the United States? I mean American contacts, the American context,
Speaker 8: Canadian contest, Canadian but some of the concerns that Americans
Speaker 8: went to the polls are shared here in Canada. So
Speaker 8: as a Liberal, as an member of an incomic government,
Speaker 8: any takeaways from last night?
Speaker 5: I think we have to listen all the time. I'm
Speaker 5: listening to my voters in don Vally West, the residents
Speaker 5: of times Very West. I grew up on a border
Speaker 5: town in sus Saint Marie where we related every day
Speaker 5: with the Americans, and there are differences and there's similarities.
Speaker 5: I went to school and Cargo. I have a sense
Speaker 5: of what Americans values and priorities are. We have many
Speaker 5: similarities and we share our content. We have to get along.
Speaker 5: But also I know that Canadians are worried about jobs
Speaker 5: and prosperity. They're worried about cost of living, so we'll
Speaker 5: listen to them.
Speaker 6: There's going to be a transition team put in place
Speaker 6: very soon. Now, do you or the minister have any
Speaker 6: intentions of traveling to the US in the coming days weeks.
Speaker 4: We travel to the US all the time, and I
Speaker 4: haven't heard any yet, but of course we'll be uh.
Speaker 5: We have relationships with governors and states across the mainland
Speaker 5: as well as Alaska and Hawaii. We have relationships with Congress,
Speaker 5: both in the Senate and the House of Representatives, and
Speaker 5: we have relationships in the White House and with NGOs
Speaker 5: and everybody, so we'll foster those relationships. We showed a
Speaker 5: team Canada approach worked the last time to ensure Canada
Speaker 5: got the best benefits we need. This is an important
Speaker 5: trading partner and we'll be there.
Speaker 8: I think of that team.
Speaker 10: Canada approach absolutely.
Speaker 4: I hope you.
Speaker 8: Haven't the Conservative to be part of that Team Canada Approach.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I hope that the Conservatives recognized this is way
Speaker 5: beyond partisan politics. All of us need to stand up
Speaker 5: for Canada's defense, Canada's security, and I would just take
Speaker 5: a moment to remind Canadians that Pierre Pauly I should
Speaker 5: get a security clearance.
Speaker 4: We can be part of every conversation.
Speaker 13: With your part.
Speaker 14: Learners are showing for the Liberals in what sense?
Speaker 8: Well, you saw democrats lose. I mean there's questions about
Speaker 8: did they connect with the working class? I mean, liberals
Speaker 8: have a lot in common with the Democrats. Do you
Speaker 8: take any lessons from what you saw last night?
Speaker 14: That's a bit of a comparison of apples and oranges,
Speaker 14: I think, I mean, certainly there would be some more
Speaker 14: shared values between the parties, but I think to try
Speaker 14: to take the American context and apply it to the
Speaker 14: Canadian or vice versa, does a little bit of a
Speaker 14: disservice to the types of things that we need to
Speaker 14: be focusing on here. So certainly it was interesting to watch,
Speaker 14: and there may be some takeaways for us that can
Speaker 14: be applied to the domestic situation here, But I think
Speaker 14: we have to be careful about making broad comparisons betueing
Speaker 14: the American Canadian country.
Speaker 8: Are there any takeaways that stick out to you.
Speaker 14: Well, I mean you've been covering politics for I got
Speaker 14: something in my hair, Yeah, covering politics for a little while.
Speaker 14: I mean, you know, you don't come to a conclusion
Speaker 14: on an analysis within twelve hours of a result.
Speaker 13: You have to take some.
Speaker 14: Time to reflect, and right now we're focused on what's
Speaker 14: happening here. Obviously, the election, regardless of whether it's a
Speaker 14: Republican or a Democrat president, impacts the work that we
Speaker 14: have to do because the nature of the relationship will
Speaker 14: change with a new administration. So we have to focus
Speaker 14: on those things. In terms of the political lessons, whether
Speaker 14: there are any there that's something that can take place
Speaker 14: over time, and you really have to make sure to
Speaker 14: do a thorough analysis, and I'm sure that campaign folks
Speaker 14: will be taking that time that's necessary to see whether
Speaker 14: there are some things that we can draw.
Speaker 8: Are you concerned about what a Trump president presidency might
Speaker 8: mean for jobs, for your constituency, for the economy in Canada?
Speaker 14: The job of the Canadian government is always to look
Speaker 14: out for the best interests to Canadian people. So we've
Speaker 14: been through a Trump administration before, and we've also been
Speaker 14: through other American administrations where there's been a bit of
Speaker 14: a growing isolation as sentiment. This is something that both
Speaker 14: major political parties in the United States were espousing. So
Speaker 14: there's going to be a necessity for us to evaluate
Speaker 14: the different policies that they put forward, but that will
Speaker 14: take some time, and of course, until the new president
Speaker 14: is sworn in during inauguration in a couple of months
Speaker 14: from now, there'll be a bit of a transition period
Speaker 14: where I think we get a sense of the direction
Speaker 14: that they're headed, and then we will have to adjust accordingly.
Speaker 14: But ultimately, the Prime Minister is very well positioned, I think,
Speaker 14: to be able to work with the new administration because
Speaker 14: he's been there before. A lot of the race relationships
Speaker 14: still exist, a lot of the understanding of matters to
Speaker 14: Americans and what matters to Canadians will be tapped into,
Speaker 14: I think more easily than perhaps they would otherwise.
Speaker 4: Be all right, okay, thanks.
Speaker 8: Are you concerned about what a truck presidency means for
Speaker 8: the war?
Speaker 15: Gaza Canada has a strong relationship with us, and it's
Speaker 15: really very important that we work with the new administration
Speaker 15: to make sure that we fight for Canadians and uh
Speaker 15: the situation in I think a lot of innocent people
Speaker 15: have been killed, and it is on the mind of
Speaker 15: a lot of my constituents. And I will keep on
Speaker 15: advocating for the Palestinian people, Lebanese people. Everyone had to
Speaker 15: know we're seeing the falls of time.
Speaker 12: You gotta expect, you gotta you gotta respect the decision
Speaker 12: of the American people. Every real professions in Canada.
Speaker 4: I think I think.
Speaker 12: We're we're well positioned to deal with them. But it's
Speaker 12: there's there's there's no clear answers. I think that will
Speaker 12: become clear in the fullest of time. And I'm a
Speaker 12: long way from the circle in which those decisions are
Speaker 12: made and from the.
Speaker 16: Strategic point of view for the liberals to see that
Speaker 16: the Americans had that desire of change in their country
Speaker 16: and to here some Canadians asking for change here what
Speaker 16: lessons can be taken?
Speaker 12: I don't know, I really don't. I mean, you ask
Speaker 12: ten people, you'll get twenty opinions. I think we just
Speaker 12: have to take it a day at a time and
Speaker 12: and stay focused on the things that matter. And I
Speaker 12: don't I don't have a clear sense of how this
Speaker 12: is going to impact. You know, there's there's there's lots
Speaker 12: of challenges in this country as as there are there
Speaker 12: and I'm it's it's it's a hard it's a tough reread.
Speaker 12: I've thought about it a lot and I wish I
Speaker 12: had a clear answer for you.
Speaker 13: But I didn't.
Speaker 6: You know, thinks today Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 4: I thought about it before.
Speaker 12: You know, what will the impact be? And I couldn't
Speaker 12: predict what it will be? And it's no clearer today.
Speaker 8: Thank the Prime minister is able to handle a second
Speaker 8: Trump presidency.
Speaker 15: Don't trust them?
Speaker 12: Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, he's been there, been there,
Speaker 12: done that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: He clearly knows what we're in for.
Speaker 12: And uh and has already started the groundwork to be
Speaker 12: able to deal with it. And I mean, I can't
Speaker 12: imagine if if Pierre Pouliev was in his seat, how
Speaker 12: bad it would be. I think the experience that he
Speaker 12: had in Trump one point always going to service all.
Speaker 8: Well, is this an opportunity for mister Trudeau to maybe
Speaker 8: talk to people like constituents of yours who say maybe
Speaker 8: it's time to go, that he can show them maybe
Speaker 8: he still has some fight left in him. Maybe is
Speaker 8: this an opportunity for the Prime minister?
Speaker 4: You think absolutely?
Speaker 16: And seeing that you know, the Democrats change their leader
Speaker 16: and they couldn't get re elected.
Speaker 10: Is that I don't know.
Speaker 16: Is that not a good sign for the Liberals?
Speaker 4: I'll leave that to the pundits. Okay, the same answer.
Speaker 5: I don't know, And I.
Speaker 4: Couldn't even speculator.
Speaker 8: He said absolutely to the question of if this isn't
Speaker 8: what what what can mister Trudeau do right now? What
Speaker 8: can you do to show the constituents that he still
Speaker 8: got it with If this is an opportunity, that'll be up.
Speaker 12: To the constituents to just to assess his actions. I
Speaker 12: can't foretell the future on that.
Speaker 4: But every every big.
Speaker 12: Challenge that comes before the country that he faces is
Speaker 12: another opportunity for him. This one will be no different.
Speaker 16: Are you saying that because you feel that mister Trudeau
Speaker 16: likes to fight like to you know, have a clear ad, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I think that's pretty clear.
Speaker 10: What you make is also yesterday that we've seen they
Speaker 10: do this.
Speaker 17: Oh, I don't know. There's much for me to make
Speaker 17: of it. That's the situation. And now we as Canadians
Speaker 17: have a job to do. We've as a government, we've
Speaker 17: we've been there before and representing a community close to
Speaker 17: the border. I know we work well with the United States,
Speaker 17: and regardless of who the president is, we'll.
Speaker 4: Continue to do that.
Speaker 16: You've talked a lot about disinformation misinformation. What do you
Speaker 16: make of this reality in the States and do you
Speaker 16: think it had to have played a role in that election.
Speaker 17: We'll speak to it in regards to Canada because that's
Speaker 17: what I'm accustomed to, that it is a reality in
Speaker 17: our electoral system, and that we're seeing it not only
Speaker 17: from political parties in this country, but foreign foreign actors
Speaker 17: as well.
Speaker 4: It's having an impact here that's well reported on.
Speaker 17: It's something that we have to keep an eye on
Speaker 17: and keep working in terms of regulating, of regulating of
Speaker 17: big tech giants.
Speaker 8: Thank you from your constituents about Town's presidency.
Speaker 18: I haven't chatted with any of my constituents today about
Speaker 18: about what happened.
Speaker 4: But this is democracy, right. People get to.
Speaker 18: Choose who who runs their their their provinces and their
Speaker 18: countries and their territories and their nations. And might be
Speaker 18: challenging for some of us who disagree with with certain policies,
Speaker 18: but this is democracy and.
Speaker 4: We respect them any lesson for that.
Speaker 8: You take away as being a liberal to see what
Speaker 8: happened in terms of Donald Trump being re elected. Canada
Speaker 8: is not the US, but it's not so dissimilar any
Speaker 8: lessons you take.
Speaker 4: I think it's early for lessons.
Speaker 18: I'm looking forward to to Kamala Harris's speech. I'm sort
Speaker 18: of digesting some of the some of the staffs that
Speaker 18: we've all seen with respect to voter turnout and who
Speaker 18: voted for whom.
Speaker 4: But uh, I mean, it's a it's a it's quite
Speaker 4: a time, right.
Speaker 18: We're all processing these results and results from other elections
Speaker 18: around the world, and I'm.
Speaker 4: Going to stay focused on Milton because that's my job.
Speaker 18: My job is to defend Canadian interests, promote our exports
Speaker 18: and our innovation and all the opportunities that exist here
Speaker 18: in Canada. I'm also really, really confident that this government
Speaker 18: is capable of promoting and defending Canada's interests. Did a
Speaker 18: good job between sixteen and twenty. If anybody is interested
Speaker 18: or excited about renegotiating KUSMA, NAFTA two point zero, or
Speaker 18: however you'd like to refer to it, those.
Speaker 4: Sentiments are coming from the United States.
Speaker 18: I think that only suggests that they weren't happy with
Speaker 18: the deal they got. The first time, and I think
Speaker 18: I think we got a pretty good one.
Speaker 19: I'm hard to interrupt.
Speaker 10: Some people say that it might be a sneak peek up.
Speaker 10: What's going to happen in Canada.
Speaker 4: What's your reaction to them. I have no reaction to that.
Speaker 8: You think it's for the Liberals to stop criticized all
Speaker 8: the episodes.
Speaker 16: What do you make of the fact that, you know,
Speaker 16: the Democrats changed their leader and they couldn't win, So
Speaker 16: what to say about some of your colleagues that would
Speaker 16: like to change leader.
Speaker 18: I haven't analyzed any of that. I think it's like
Speaker 18: a little bit of a step. We have our own
Speaker 18: challenges and our own issues. We have our in Canada,
Speaker 18: we have our own opportunities, and you know, we've also
Speaker 18: demonstrated an ability to cut interest rates more quickly. Our
Speaker 18: inflation has gotten down to a lower spot. Our job
Speaker 18: numbers are pretty good. I had an interview this week
Speaker 18: on the radio about economic optimism.
Speaker 4: I think it takes time.
Speaker 18: Like it's not as though like inflation comes down and
Speaker 18: immediately everybody feels better.
Speaker 4: Right, We're still remembering the fact.
Speaker 18: That, like, okay, but let us was four ninety nine,
Speaker 18: like a month ago, like that's too expensive when our
Speaker 18: price is going to normalize, And I think we can't
Speaker 18: just constantly be saying, you know, don't worry your wages
Speaker 18: have kept pace with the rate of inflation. That doesn't
Speaker 18: really mean anything to your average Canadian, particularly if they
Speaker 18: haven't experienced a raise in the last six or twelve months.
Speaker 18: So stats are important. Facts are important, but so are
Speaker 18: how people feel. And I'm trying to meet my constituents
Speaker 18: where they are and identify solutions that are unique, perhaps
Speaker 18: to Milton's community. We're one of the fastest growing communities
Speaker 18: in Ontario. So you know, a lot of people have
Speaker 18: housing concerns, a lot of people have job concerns with
Speaker 18: respect to you know, the assumption that everybody that's going
Speaker 18: to live in the GTA is going to commute into Mississauga,
Speaker 18: Toronto to work.
Speaker 4: So I want to build up the economy.
Speaker 18: I got involved in politics because you know, I was
Speaker 18: was raised in public housing in a co op in Oakville,
Speaker 18: and back in the nineties, various governments in Canada decided
Speaker 18: to stop building community housing.
Speaker 4: We don't have a lot of community housing.
Speaker 18: There's not very much nonprofit housing in Canada, and the
Speaker 18: result is The reason is because governments in the nineties
Speaker 18: decided not to invest there. And this is the first
Speaker 18: government in thirty years that has put co ops back
Speaker 18: into a budget, and we've seen one point five billion
Speaker 18: dollars of investment in new co ops. The reason I'm
Speaker 18: so ardent about co ops is my mom's worked in
Speaker 18: the industry, in the sector, and I grew up in
Speaker 18: a co op myself.
Speaker 4: My mom retired on Sunday after.
Speaker 18: Twenty six years running the same co op in Mississauga,
Speaker 18: and the people that I talked to at her retirement party,
Speaker 18: I talked to ten who all in the last ten
Speaker 18: years or so, left the co op and bought a house.
Speaker 4: And you know, I didn't.
Speaker 18: Stop because I wanted to get super political. But I
Speaker 18: did a speech about co ops once and the Conservatives
Speaker 18: called it Soviet style housing. I didn't grow up in
Speaker 18: Soviet style housing. My mom escaped Soviet hungry in the fifties.
Speaker 18: We grew up in safe, affordable housing. And I'm going
Speaker 18: to keep doing this work so that we build more
Speaker 18: safe community housing that people can afford, so they can save.
Speaker 16: Up and pile You get about housing, did you hear
Speaker 16: from your constituents about mister Puliev's proposal on the housing
Speaker 16: what did you what have you heard from your constituents.
Speaker 4: I haven't chatted with them too much about it. Like,
Speaker 4: my concern is.
Speaker 18: That if like I'm in favor of lower taxes, but
Speaker 18: it's a question of how you pay for it. And
Speaker 18: the Housing Accelerator Fund has benefited Milton to the tune
Speaker 18: of twenty two million dollars. It's going to enable housing
Speaker 18: people to find solutions. That's in the non market space,
Speaker 18: that's in the affordable space, and the supportive space on
Speaker 18: the shelter side.
Speaker 4: It's going to help.
Speaker 18: And if we're going to you know, subsidize million dollar
Speaker 18: condos by cutting taxes on you know, and cutting taxes,
Speaker 18: but then paying for it by taking away from social
Speaker 18: programs that are supporting the most vulnerable, I don't think
Speaker 18: that's the way to build communities.
Speaker 4: Thanks guys.
Speaker 5: Thoughts, how you're probably going to handle the immigration.
Speaker 13: Potma that Trump's.
Speaker 4: Look, I'll leave it to Mark to do is sorry
Speaker 4: for the sun?
Speaker 20: Yeah, Look, I think we're we've been planning for a
Speaker 20: number of months for whatever inevitability may arise from the
Speaker 20: American election. But of course our interests of Canadians is
Speaker 20: what's going.
Speaker 4: To determine the path forward.
Speaker 20: There's obviously different policy decisions that will be taken by
Speaker 20: foreign governments of different partisan persuasions, and those can have
Speaker 20: an impact. But my sense is by collaborating with the
Speaker 20: American administration to ensure that we can continue to have
Speaker 20: an open trading relationship, we can communicate that it's in
Speaker 20: our collective interest to manage the border appropriately but at
Speaker 20: the same time embrace cross border trade. But when it
Speaker 20: comes to the specivics on the immigration portfolio, I've got
Speaker 20: a colleague who's got things well on that.
Speaker 4: Thanks folks cringing at.
Speaker 21: It, okay, I will say that what's really important is
Speaker 21: that the world can you stand with Ukraine. And I
Speaker 21: know that the Ukraine's are not only fighting for their
Speaker 21: own freedom and democracy and for their own survival, but
Speaker 21: they're also fighting for US.
Speaker 4: If Russia wins, then they won't stop at Ukraine.
Speaker 21: A lot of implutent won't stop at Ukraine, and it'll
Speaker 21: be Canadians, Americans and Europeans will be next in defending
Speaker 21: ourselves against Rusian aggression. So we need to continue to
Speaker 21: support with the Ukraine with everything that they need to
Speaker 21: win this war and will continue to work with our
Speaker 21: allies to make sure that happens.
Speaker 12: But if Trump doesn't, you know, supported effort going forward,
Speaker 12: what will that mean from the war?
Speaker 21: Well, I don't want to speculate us to what you
Speaker 21: know President elect Trump will decide to do. But it
Speaker 21: is in the interest of Canada, the United States, and
Speaker 21: Europe and the entire democratic world that Ukraine witness war.
Speaker 21: And my hope will be that the United States continues
Speaker 21: to support Ukraine together with Canada and or European aalyistintil
Speaker 21: That's my hope.
Speaker 13: Thank you, thank you, thank you for.
Speaker 10: Good morning. My name is Nikki Ashton.
Speaker 22: I'm the Member of Parliament for Churchill, Kiwait and Okaski
Speaker 22: and the NDP critic for tax Fairness. I'm joined here
Speaker 22: today with my colleague alexand Bouleris at the MP for
Speaker 22: Rosemond La Petit Petri and the NDP critic on housing,
Speaker 22: and we are honored to be here with Katrina Miller,
Speaker 22: who's joining us online, the executive director of Canadians for
Speaker 22: Tax Fairness, as well as Sharon Katz, member of ACORN,
Speaker 22: the National Tenants union that represents low to moderate income Canadians,
Speaker 22: often in rental housing, experiencing our national housing crisis firsthand.
Speaker 10: We have a housing crisis in Canada.
Speaker 22: Many young Canadians, working class Canadians families are worried they
Speaker 22: will be forever priced out of the housing market. All
Speaker 22: the while they're seeing rich investors outbidding them for family homes,
Speaker 22: and they know that the housing market is rigged against them.
Speaker 22: Twenty twenty three was a record for the growth in
Speaker 22: income inequality between the richest and the poorest in Canada,
Speaker 22: and the housing crisis is fueling that divide. The top
Speaker 22: one percent pay only twenty three point six percent of
Speaker 22: their income and taxes, enjoying the lowest tax rates of anyone.
Speaker 10: The rich in Canada today have never had it so good.
Speaker 22: We can't solve the housing crisis without understanding how it
Speaker 22: was created, and we must be clear that this housing
Speaker 22: crisis didn't just happen. The report put out by Canadians
Speaker 22: for Tax Fairness is shocking. It points to how successive
Speaker 22: liberal and conservative governments brought us to this point, that
Speaker 22: they in fact engineered the housing crisis we face today.
Speaker 22: It's been a crisis in the making, not just for
Speaker 22: the last ten years, but over the last thirty years,
Speaker 22: it's liberals and conservatives who wrote the rules and built
Speaker 22: a housing market that is great for rich investors, great
Speaker 22: for billionaires, that makes billions in profits, but it doesn't
Speaker 22: work for Canadians. Liberals and conservatives encouraged the financialization of
Speaker 22: the housing market. In other words, they allowed housing to
Speaker 22: turn into cash cows for corporate investors and rich investors
Speaker 22: instead of homes for Canadian families who desperately need them.
Speaker 22: Not only that, but they also let rich developers get
Speaker 22: away with paying very little tax by handing out billions
Speaker 22: of dollars in tax breaks to wealthy real estate giants.
Speaker 10: Successive liberal and conservative.
Speaker 22: Governments priced working class Canadians out of the housing market.
Speaker 22: The disastrous capital gains tax exemptions that allowed billionaires to
Speaker 22: get out of paying taxes have led us to this point.
Speaker 22: I'm proud of the work that we in the NDP
Speaker 22: have done to use our power to fix part of
Speaker 22: this problem, but the reality is we desperately need to
Speaker 22: see political will from the liberals right now when it
Speaker 22: comes to fixing the full problem. Instead of having the
Speaker 22: government build housing, liberals and conservatives have outsourced the job
Speaker 22: to rich developers people like Donald Trump, the Canadian version,
Speaker 22: whose surprise, surprise, only care about their bottom line. On
Speaker 22: the other hand, we have Pierre Poliev who likes to
Speaker 22: pretend that this is just a recent problem, that the
Speaker 22: housing crisis just happened.
Speaker 10: But the truth is that the housing crisis has been.
Speaker 22: Decades in the making, including when he was the Housing
Speaker 22: Minister as part of the previous Stephen Harper government. It
Speaker 22: was under his watch when he was a cabinet minister
Speaker 22: where he continued the tax breaks to corporate developers that
Speaker 22: have squeezed Canadians when it comes to housing. While rents
Speaker 22: spiral out of control. The real estate sector collected fifty
Speaker 22: point four billion in profits in twenty twenty three, fifty
Speaker 22: point four billion dollars in profits, shocking at a time
Speaker 22: when so many renters cannot afford their basic necessities.
Speaker 10: We need to be clear that this didn't just happen.
Speaker 22: Working Canadians have been outbid by corporations who've turned around
Speaker 22: flipped houses just to make a quick buck, and this
Speaker 22: was encouraged by liberal and conservative decisions. The reality is
Speaker 22: that the majority purchasers of multifamily dwellings are banks, not
Speaker 22: Canadian families. This is a structural issue. Housing should be
Speaker 22: treated as a human right, not a way for rich
Speaker 22: investors to make a quick buck while Canadians are pushed
Speaker 22: out of safe and affordable homes. For us in the NDP,
Speaker 22: we will treat housing for what it is, a human right,
Speaker 22: prioritizing the need for affordable rents for affordable homes instead
Speaker 22: of making housing an issue of cash cow for the rich.
Speaker 22: We in the NDP have proposed a bold plan building
Speaker 22: a different type of housing market, one that puts people
Speaker 22: before profits. And this report put forward by Canadians for
Speaker 22: Tax Fairness makes one thing very clear. We cannot solve
Speaker 22: the housing crisis by giving more tax breaks to the rich,
Speaker 22: to rich developers helping the banks.
Speaker 10: As housing costs rise.
Speaker 22: The rich are getting richer and working Canadians are left behind.
Speaker 22: It's time to rethink the way we treat housing in Canada.
Speaker 22: Canadians are asking for us to rethink enact urgently when
Speaker 22: it comes to housing in Canada. We need to start
Speaker 22: by closing the tax loopholes and stop the financialization of
Speaker 22: housing that has created this crisis in the first place,
Speaker 22: and we urgently need to invest in public and non
Speaker 22: market housing units including co ops, housing operated by not
Speaker 22: for profit provider providers and social housing. We need to
Speaker 22: have broad, implementing implemented rent control policies, including vacancy control,
Speaker 22: and we need to limit ownership of rental housing by
Speaker 22: large corporate landlords as is done out swear. At the
Speaker 22: end of the day, the n d P stands ready
Speaker 22: to fight for these bold changes to stand up for
Speaker 22: Canadians who are living.
Speaker 10: The housing crisis.
Speaker 22: Now we're going to hear more about these solutions, and
Speaker 22: I want to call on my colleague alexand bouleris our
Speaker 22: housing critic, to share some words.
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Speaker 22: Let's see Alexand next we will go to Katrina Meller,
Speaker 22: the executive director of Canadians for Tax Fairness who released
Speaker 22: this groundbreaking report. Hello Katrina, Hello, thank you Nikki, and
Speaker 22: it's a pleasure to be with all of you today
Speaker 22: on this important issue. We did release report that clearly
Speaker 22: showed that our tax system and the tax breaks that
Speaker 22: it offers fin for financialized landlords, is hurting our goal
Speaker 22: of having affordable housing in Canada. In twenty twenty three,
Speaker 22: we saw our rents rise by eight percent, while our
Speaker 22: inflation rate and.
Speaker 19: Wages only went up a book at five As mentioned,
Speaker 19: during that same year, the real estate sector walked away
Speaker 19: with fifty billion dollars in profits. That's forty percent higher
Speaker 19: than its pre pandemic norm. And what we're seeing in
Speaker 19: our research is that these real estate investors that are
Speaker 19: financialized firms like real estate investment trusts or equity firms,
Speaker 19: are using capital gains as an increasing source of income
Speaker 19: for a couple of reasons. One, they have a tax
Speaker 19: break on capital gains. Two, some of these firms, particularly
Speaker 19: real estate investment trusts, have an exemption for any corporate
Speaker 19: income that they gain. So these two tax breaks in
Speaker 19: particular are driving these financialized landlords to buy up more
Speaker 19: and more of our housing stock and to use it
Speaker 19: as an asset, increasing rents in order to both increase
Speaker 19: the income they get from rents as well as the
Speaker 19: ascid price when they decide to sell. These financialized landlords
Speaker 19: now own a quarter of all our purpose built rental
Speaker 19: and are the major purchases right now. So unless we
Speaker 19: close down these loopholes, we're going to see these financialized
Speaker 19: landlords own more and more of our housing stock and
Speaker 19: drive our rents to more and more unaffordable prices. This
Speaker 19: is why we have three recommendations for the government. One
Speaker 19: is to fully close the capital gains loophole and include
Speaker 19: all capital gains income as taxbile income that's inflation adjusted,
Speaker 19: especially for the real estate sector. The second is to
Speaker 19: end the exemption that real estate investment trusts get right
Speaker 19: now on their corporate income tax. For example, Canda seven
Speaker 19: top real estate investment trust companies transferred one hundred million
Speaker 19: dollars of income tax free to their investors. Neither the
Speaker 19: corporation nor the investor paid any tax on the one
Speaker 19: hundred million dollars in twenty twenty two, and that was
Speaker 19: by using both the capital gains tax break and the
Speaker 19: real estate investment trust tax exemption to basically grab that
Speaker 19: income from Canada with no taxes paid. We need that
Speaker 19: revenue back in order to pay for our affordable housing
Speaker 19: plans in order to build non market housing. These tax
Speaker 19: breaks don't help build housing.
Speaker 10: Reads don't build housing.
Speaker 19: They simply buy housing that's already been built, increase its
Speaker 19: value in order to sell it at a higher price.
Speaker 19: If we want to have a tax system that benefits
Speaker 19: our affordable housing plans, we need to shut down these looples.
Speaker 22: Thank you, thank you so much, Katrina, and next we'll
Speaker 22: hear from Sharon Katz from ACORN.
Speaker 9: Good morning, Thank you for inviting Acorn to speak today.
Speaker 9: My name is Sharon Katz and I am a member
Speaker 9: of ACORN Canada. ACORN is a national independent organization of
Speaker 9: low to moderate income people. Our members are largely tenants
Speaker 9: who are bearing the brunt of the housing crisis, which
Speaker 9: is getting worse by the day. Many of our members
Speaker 9: live in housing that is owned by rates or other
Speaker 9: types of financialized landlords. Financialized landlords are maximizing profits for
Speaker 9: the few by squeezing tenants out of the only affordable
Speaker 9: housing that is left. These big corporations earn huge profits
Speaker 9: through increased turnover rates, meaning replacing long term tenants with
Speaker 9: new ones at higher rents. Once financialized landlords by apartment buildings,
Speaker 9: they often allow them to fall into disrepair so that
Speaker 9: they can force the existing tenants out by using tactics
Speaker 9: like renevictions, dum evictions, major rent increases, and others. If
Speaker 9: a tenant is forced out, they have nowhere else to go.
Speaker 9: Data from CMHC shows the share of affordable units for
Speaker 9: low income housing households is less than five percent in
Speaker 9: major city centers, one percent in Vancouver, and almost zero
Speaker 9: percent in Ontario cities. Canada's public, non market and affordable
Speaker 9: housing stock is now among the lowest of OECD countries
Speaker 9: at three point five percent. Families and individuals end up
Speaker 9: making larger and larger sacrifices to pay inflated rents. They
Speaker 9: spend less on groceries and medications, neglect paying other bills,
Speaker 9: dip into savings, or go further into debt. If a
Speaker 9: tenant resists and is able to say, it doesn't mean
Speaker 9: they're lucky. What we're sering on the ground through daily
Speaker 9: door knocking and phone calls, surveys and regular tenant meetings
Speaker 9: is that long term tenants with lower rents are less
Speaker 9: likely to get repairs or maintenance. They are also forced
Speaker 9: to live with bed bugs, cockroaches, mold and more. Rent
Speaker 9: increases every year come consistently, especially in Ontario, tenants report
Speaker 9: getting above guideline increases back to back. Tenants often express
Speaker 9: stress and anxiety, negative impacts on themselves and their children,
Speaker 9: fear of displacement, and the inability to find adequate housing.
Speaker 9: Reats shouldn't be getting preferential tax treatment for making things
Speaker 9: worse for tenants. This is why Acorn Canada is demanding
Speaker 9: the following to reign in these routs. One the federal
Speaker 9: government must stop apartment sales to corporate landlords. In Berlin,
Speaker 9: for example, corporations cannot own more than three thousand apartment suites.
Speaker 9: Two Ensure the acquisition funds set up by the federal
Speaker 9: government is adequately funded and enables land trusts, co ops, tenants,
Speaker 9: and nonprofits to purchase affordable rental buildings when they come
Speaker 9: on the market. Three Ensure write a first refusal for
Speaker 9: land trusts, co ops, tenants, and nonprofits so that they
Speaker 9: have the first opportunity to acquire apartment buildings that are
Speaker 9: for sale.
Speaker 10: The City of Montreal.
Speaker 9: Exercises the right of first refusal, which grants the city
Speaker 9: priority to purchase certain buildings and land ahead of other
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Speaker 13: Thank you for your job.
Speaker 22: Thank you so much, Sharon Katz from ACORN. What you've
Speaker 22: heard clearly today is that this housing crisis didn't just happen.
Speaker 22: It is the result of liberal and conservative policies that
Speaker 22: have not only failed to invest in public, non market housing,
Speaker 22: but have also created tax incentives to allow for billionaires,
Speaker 22: rich investors, trust funds, the banks to take advantage and
Speaker 22: shape a housing market that benefits them at the expense
Speaker 22: of working Canadians. At the expense of young people, at
Speaker 22: the expense of Canadian families who are living the housing
Speaker 22: crisis right now. We are calling for concrete changes, very
Speaker 22: much rooted in the report that you've the roundbreaking report
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Speaker 22: and very much reflective of the message we've heard from
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Speaker 25: I would like to start by reading the remarks I
Speaker 25: started with. Yes, surely, as I presented my fifth report
Speaker 25: as a Special Opporteur to the Third Committee of the
Speaker 25: General Assembly in a year in which I was turned
Speaker 25: into a reluctant chronicler of genocide, I feel compelled to
Speaker 25: start by paying my respect to the victims and survivors
Speaker 25: of all genocides past and present, including the Native Americans
Speaker 25: like the Lenape people, who are neually regional stewards of
Speaker 25: the land on which this institution stands. Certainly, the ongoing
Speaker 25: struggle of Native Americans and indigenous peoples everywhere to again
Speaker 25: and maintain their rights on their ancestral land like the Palestinians,
Speaker 25: would be less challenging if institutions like this one, premised
Speaker 25: upon equality and freedom of all and self determination for all,
Speaker 25: were actually committed to addressing and unraveling the colonial past,
Speaker 25: beginning by confronting the prevailing col only al amnesia that
Speaker 25: affects many of them, and as Italian Holocaust survivor Primo
Speaker 25: Levi reminds us, it is the emsia of the past
Speaker 25: and the risure of its victims. That allows history to
Speaker 25: repeat itself.
Speaker 10: And why did I.
Speaker 25: Start by reading this again and again, It's because history
Speaker 25: is repeating itself. Yesterday I presented my second report on genocide.
Speaker 25: Why so, why do I insist in calling it genocide
Speaker 25: because it's so difficult to prove intent. Why don't you
Speaker 25: go with war crimes and crimes against humanity because it's genocide.
Speaker 25: Because if you go to a doctor and you have
Speaker 25: cancer and you are diagnosed with with FEVA, you have
Speaker 25: a problem, a big problem. It's the same with the
Speaker 25: people who's being genocided, because it's not about the collection
Speaker 25: of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Is that the
Speaker 25: Palestinians are experiencing, they have experienced through their entire life
Speaker 25: as a people, war crimes and crimes against humanity. But
Speaker 25: nowadays the situation is different, and it's very important that
Speaker 25: we understand what is genocide and why this is to
Speaker 25: be recognized as a genocide because in the same way
Speaker 25: as the international community has failed to protect the victims
Speaker 25: of genocide in the case of the Jewish people in Europe,
Speaker 25: and then the Bosnians in former Yugoslavia, and then the
Speaker 25: the Tutsi in Ruanda in the same way we are
Speaker 25: failing the Palestinians. And I want to express all my
Speaker 25: respect and solidar with the Palestinian people because it's a
Speaker 25: torment to be here as a Palestinian and having to
Speaker 25: tell all of us about the genocide that their people
Speaker 25: are experiencing. Because the people is.
Speaker 10: Like a body.
Speaker 25: You chop one arm, you chop one limb, the entire
Speaker 25: bodies offer and this is what the people is. It's
Speaker 25: something organic and the same thing is the relation between
Speaker 25: the people and the land. For indigenous people, the lend
Speaker 25: is not the place where they live. The lend is
Speaker 25: who they are.
Speaker 10: And this is why we need to.
Speaker 25: Understand the bigger design behind what's happening in Palestine today.
Speaker 25: On the fourteenth of October, when together with other special rapporteurs,
Speaker 25: we started to denounce to raise the alarm that what
Speaker 25: Israel has art to do might be genocide and there
Speaker 25: was a serious risk of genocide. And then as of
Speaker 25: the November thirty of us I've said a genocide is unfolding.
Speaker 25: I also said on the fourteenth of October, under the
Speaker 25: fog of war, Israel accelerates the force displacement of the Palestinians.
Speaker 25: And I do say that out of the scholarship that
Speaker 25: I've produced, because the way I know the question of
Speaker 25: Palestine is through the firs displacement of its people. Since
Speaker 25: even before the State of Israel was was created, Palestinians
Speaker 25: have been kicked out of their land amid the destruction
Speaker 25: of their villages and everything they had from nineteen forty seven,
Speaker 25: forty nine and in nineteen sixty seven, and it continues,
Speaker 25: and what's happening today it's much more severe because of
Speaker 25: the technology, because of the weaponry, but also because of
Speaker 25: the impunity that has been granted to the State of
Speaker 25: Israel over seven twenty six years. The ubris that has
Speaker 25: led Israel to attack not just the Palestinian people or
Speaker 25: the Lebanese to also and to the lebanesels goes my
Speaker 25: solidarity in this moment. But United Nations this year has
Speaker 25: also marked an attack against the United Nations physically, symbolically,
Speaker 25: in terms of functions. Israel has damaged in any way,
Speaker 25: bombed and targeted and heat seventy percent of Andrei infrastructure
Speaker 25: in Gaza. It has launched a campaign as mere campaign
Speaker 25: against against Andra since which intensified a pattern that was
Speaker 25: already established, and it has skilled two hundred and thirty
Speaker 25: UN staff members, colleagues of many of those who work
Speaker 25: in this institution. And it has targeted the humani tarian
Speaker 25: capacity of Andra, and it has even targeted UN peacekeepers,
Speaker 25: and it has targeted the UN Secretary General and independent experts,
Speaker 25: and it's very lustrous assembly. No one has been spared,
Speaker 25: just among the Palestinians and the Libandies, even in the
Speaker 25: United Nations. And it's because of debt, on top of
Speaker 25: the genocide, and on top of the fifty seven years
Speaker 25: of a lawful occupation that I say it's time to
Speaker 25: consider suspending the credential of Israel as a member states.
Speaker 25: I understand the sensitivity because none of you is really
Speaker 25: has really clean ends when it comes to human rights.
Speaker 25: That's okay, but no one else has maintained an unlawful occupation,
Speaker 25: violating decades of UN Security Council, General Assembly, Human Rights Counsel,
Speaker 25: International Court of Justice decision and resolutions. As Israel has
Speaker 25: done enough enough. And the last point genocide. While this
Speaker 25: is genocide, genocide is a very insidious crime. It's a process,
Speaker 25: it's not an act. And there is a significant jurisprudence,
Speaker 25: but still incipient jurisprudence, thankfully. And the critical element to
Speaker 25: the termine genocide is the intent behind the acts of
Speaker 25: keeling an infliction harm and creating conditions of life leading
Speaker 25: to the destruction of a group. As such, there is
Speaker 25: the intent and the discussion I hear, including from scholars, well,
Speaker 25: it's difficult to prove the intent. The intent is not
Speaker 25: a motive, it's a different thing. It's intent is the
Speaker 25: determination to destroy through criminal acts. Motives can vary. One
Speaker 25: can commit to genocide because of what the developed to will,
Speaker 25: the determination to commit genocide to stay in power, or
Speaker 25: to liberate the hostages, or to commit other crimes. But
Speaker 25: the moment there is the determination to destroy, that the
Speaker 25: intent of genocide is formed, then you don't even need
Speaker 25: to have genocide unfolding to intervene. We have already failed
Speaker 25: the Palestinians. Genocide has already been committed. But we need
Speaker 25: to first of all intervene, stop and punish the perpetrators,
Speaker 25: and then to stop it because it's expanding to the
Speaker 25: spankan is Jerusalem. No one, no Palestinians is safe under
Speaker 25: Israeli rule. And the other element and with this, I
Speaker 25: will conclude what is critical is the responsibility of the state.
Speaker 25: We cannot apply the same threshold for alleged perpetrators, so
Speaker 25: criminal responsibility.
Speaker 24: To a state.
Speaker 25: Otherwise, if we have to guardan look at the paradox,
Speaker 25: preventing genocide would be an impossible mission. If we have
Speaker 25: to wait until the guarantees that a fair trial afford
Speaker 25: to alleged perpetrators are satisfied, we will never prevent genocide.
Speaker 25: But here the responsibility of a state is evident, especially
Speaker 25: especially in a self proclaimed the rule of law system
Speaker 25: which has checks and balances. It's not just the executive,
Speaker 25: it's the parliament and the judiciary. What have these bodies
Speaker 25: done in Israel to prevent genocide?
Speaker 10: Nothing?
Speaker 25: Not only this is not the result of action of
Speaker 25: some members of the government. This is a collective responsibility
Speaker 25: of the State of Israel. And because of that I
Speaker 25: say this is the first settler colonial genocide to be
Speaker 25: litigated in human history. The cry for justice behind this
Speaker 25: case will resonate across the globe and will make a
Speaker 25: difference also for other indigenous people that have never seen
Speaker 25: a day of justice. Thank you very much.
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