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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening to Pictures Media Radio. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Policy and Rights, the show about DOLCOM policy and human rights.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, good morning, good morning. Thank you, please, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to see this cabinet and the staff together here.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, please, thank you,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's good to see you all. Particularly good to

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<v Speaker 2>see my granddaughter sitting in the front row here. Hi fan, Hawaii, honey.

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<v Speaker 2>For over two hundred years, America has carried on the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest experiment in self government and history.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not hyperbole. That fact where the people, the

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<v Speaker 2>people vote and choose their own leaders, and they do

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<v Speaker 2>it peacefully, and we're in a democracy. The will of

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<v Speaker 2>the people always prevails. Yesterday I spoke with President elect

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<v Speaker 2>Trump to congratulate him on his victory, and I assured

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<v Speaker 2>him I direct my entire administration to work with his

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<v Speaker 2>team to ensure a peaceful and orderly transition. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>the American people deserve. Yesterday I also spoke Vice President Harris.

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<v Speaker 2>She's been a partner and a public servant. She ran

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<v Speaker 2>an inspiring campaign and everyone got to see something that

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<v Speaker 2>I learned early on to respect so much her character.

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<v Speaker 2>She has a backbone like a ramrod. She has great character,

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<v Speaker 2>true character. She gave her whole heart and effort, and

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<v Speaker 2>she and her entire team should be proud of the

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<v Speaker 2>campaign they ran. You know, the struggle for the soul

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<v Speaker 2>American since our very founding has always been an ongoing

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<v Speaker 2>debate and still vital today. I know for some people

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<v Speaker 2>it's a time for victory to state the obvious. For others,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a time of loss. Campaigns the contest of competing visions.

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<v Speaker 2>The country chooses one or the other. We accept the

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<v Speaker 2>choice the country made. I've said many times, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>love your country only when you win. You can't love

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<v Speaker 2>your neighbor only when you agree something. I hope we

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<v Speaker 2>can do, no matter who you voted for, is see

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<v Speaker 2>each other not as adversaries, but as fellow Americans. Bring

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<v Speaker 2>down the temperature. I also hope we can later rest

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<v Speaker 2>the question about the integrity of the American electoral system.

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<v Speaker 2>It is honest, it is fair, and it is transparent,

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<v Speaker 2>and it can be trusted, win or lose. I also

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<v Speaker 2>hope we can restore the respect for all our election

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<v Speaker 2>workers who busted their next and took risks at the outset.

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<v Speaker 2>We should thank them, thank them for staffing voting sites,

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<v Speaker 2>counting the votes, protecting the very integrity of the election.

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<v Speaker 2>Many of them are volunteers who do it simply out

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<v Speaker 2>of love for their country and as they did as

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<v Speaker 2>they did their duty as citizens. I will do my

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<v Speaker 2>duty as president. I'll fulfill my oath, and I will

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<v Speaker 2>wanted the Constitution. On January twentieth, we'll have a peaceful

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<v Speaker 2>transfer of power here in America. To all our incredible staff, supporters,

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<v Speaker 2>cabinet members, all the people who are hanging out with

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<v Speaker 2>me last four years.

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<v Speaker 4>God love you.

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<v Speaker 2>As my mother would say, thank you so much. You

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<v Speaker 2>put so much into the past four years. I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's a difficult time. You're hurting. I hear you, and

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<v Speaker 2>I see you. But don't forget. Don't forget all the

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<v Speaker 2>we accomplished. It's been an historic presidency, not because I'm president,

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<v Speaker 2>because what we've done, what you've done, a presidency for

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<v Speaker 2>all Americans. Much of the work we've done is already

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<v Speaker 2>being felt by the American people, with the vast majority

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<v Speaker 2>of it will not be felt we felt over the

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<v Speaker 2>next ten years.

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<v Speaker 4>We have it.

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<v Speaker 2>We have legislation, we passed it's just only now, just

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<v Speaker 2>really kicking in. We're going to see over trillion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>worth of infrastructure work done, changing people's lives and rural

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<v Speaker 2>communities and communities that are in real difficulty because it

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<v Speaker 2>takes time to get it done, and so much more.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to take time, but it's there. The road

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<v Speaker 2>ahead is clear, assuming we sustain it. There's so much,

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<v Speaker 2>so much we can get done and will get done

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<v Speaker 2>based the way the legislation was passed, and it's truly historic.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we're leaving behind the strongest economy in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I know people are still hurting, but things are changing rapidly. Together,

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<v Speaker 2>we've changed America for the better. Now we have seventy

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<v Speaker 2>four days to finish the term, our term. Let's make

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<v Speaker 2>every day count. That's the responsibility we have to the

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<v Speaker 2>American people. Look, folks, you all know it in their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Setbacks are unavoidable, but giving up is unforgivable. Setbacks are unavoidable,

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<v Speaker 2>but giving up is unforgivable. We all get knocked down.

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<v Speaker 2>But the measure of our character is, my dad would say,

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<v Speaker 2>is how quickly we get back up. Remember, a defeat

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<v Speaker 2>does not mean we are defeated. We lost this battle.

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<v Speaker 2>America of your dreams is calling for you to get

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<v Speaker 2>back up. That's the story of America for over two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and forty years and counting. There's a story for

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<v Speaker 2>all of us, not just some of us. The American

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<v Speaker 2>experiment endors. We're going to be okay, but we need

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<v Speaker 2>to stay engaged, we need to keep going, and above all,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to keep the faith. So proud to have

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<v Speaker 2>worked with all of you. I really mean it, I

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<v Speaker 2>sincerely mean it. Well, God bless you all. God bless America,

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<v Speaker 2>and make God protect our troops. Thank you, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Policy and Rights Here Depictions Media Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, of course, Michael Cloggs. In this particular episode,

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<v Speaker 1>as we know, Donald Trump has won the presidency. He

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<v Speaker 1>won the election a couple of days ago, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of talk about what is happening because of

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<v Speaker 1>him winning. And there's a lot of people that are

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<v Speaker 1>up in arms in the United States, but moreover, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people up in arms around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>One business people around the world are worried about Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump with his ideas of burners. And one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things is is this is like tariffs. What could potential

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<v Speaker 1>car tarriffs mean or look like to here in bc

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<v Speaker 1>UH to the softwood industry, there are many many other

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<v Speaker 1>industries that are going to be hit with towers according

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<v Speaker 1>to Make America Great Again policy that what is Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump going to start imposing. He made a statement in

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<v Speaker 1>his his speech when he started talking about oil and

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that and other resources. He and he

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of joking jokingly referenced it and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry about the oil, Bobby.

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<v Speaker 4>I have that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he was also referencing Robert Kennedy Jr. In In

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<v Speaker 1>that statement. Also, and you're also gonna hear from the

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<v Speaker 1>Minister of Environment as he made a comment about what

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<v Speaker 1>some of the statements around oil and gas were made

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<v Speaker 1>with in reference to Donald Trump. And the question I

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<v Speaker 1>have is when he says don't worry about the oil

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<v Speaker 1>or liquid gold, I think is that he may have

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<v Speaker 1>actually put it don't worry about it, Bobby. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>mean that he's planning on UH using American resources only

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<v Speaker 1>and he is actually going to rule out resources from Alberta.

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<v Speaker 1>The Canadian sources are thinking that maybe he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>buy the oil and gas from Canadian sources, but does

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<v Speaker 1>it really mean that or is he going to or

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<v Speaker 1>is he going to cut Canada out? So there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of question question marks around that, but also question

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<v Speaker 1>the American people is that choices for products are going

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<v Speaker 1>them from different places. The American public has gotten used

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<v Speaker 1>to being able to click around on the Internet and

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<v Speaker 1>be able to drop and drag into their into their

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<v Speaker 1>shopping cards different things from around the world, not just

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<v Speaker 1>American sources. So that means that Americans could be paying

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<v Speaker 1>more for products than what they think that such a

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<v Speaker 1>policy could actually raise the prices and raise debts, the

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<v Speaker 1>average debt of the American citizen because they of the

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<v Speaker 1>limited choices.

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<v Speaker 4>Because of the tariffs.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means it that they have to pay a

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<v Speaker 1>higher rate of tax on anything that comes from outside

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<v Speaker 1>the country. There's a lot more to be looked at

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<v Speaker 1>with tariffs and how that is actually going to affect

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<v Speaker 1>the end customer, not only how it is going to

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<v Speaker 1>affect the industries are outside of the United States, are

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<v Speaker 1>they going to be able to sell their products in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, Are they going to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>remain competitive? And what does competitive really mean to a

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of question marks on that.

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<v Speaker 5>I do like what.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Gilbert says about we are not Canada is not

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<v Speaker 1>a carbon copy of the United States, that they are

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<v Speaker 1>their own sovereign country and they will do things the

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian way, So that in of itself is a plus.

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<v Speaker 1>That there are also other question marks around the world

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<v Speaker 1>that when I talked to sources in Lebanon that will

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<v Speaker 1>his attitudes towards the Middle East actually stir more trouble

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<v Speaker 1>than it solves. Mister Trump said in his victory speech

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<v Speaker 1>that he is looking to put an end to the

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<v Speaker 1>wars rather than create new wars, and there's a question

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<v Speaker 1>mark of how he's going to actually accomplish that. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's a what and see sort of thing in January,

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<v Speaker 1>for mister Biden and Miss Harris to get some business

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East and as we heard in the earlier episode

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<v Speaker 1>about people like me a Shim who were held hostage

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<v Speaker 4>So there's a lot to.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot is lying on on on on the table.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of things are at stake and how things

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<v Speaker 1>So moving things back to Canada, we're going to hear

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<v Speaker 1>the housing crisis, and she's going to make some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>is by past governments, and that some of the government

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<v Speaker 1>policies that regulate foreign investors domestic investors into the real

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<v Speaker 1>itself that actually may have caused this crisis and caused

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<v Speaker 1>the rents to be what they are so that is

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<v Speaker 1>not affordable to the average person. Along with that, since

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<v Speaker 1>we're to still have Donald Trump in the foreground, as

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<v Speaker 1>policies are going that in the software industry, if a

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<v Speaker 1>major group of clients across the border in the US

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<v Speaker 1>can no longer buy softwood because it's not affordable for

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<v Speaker 1>That how does that affect the pricing here in Canada

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<v Speaker 1>Canada and only in Canada that they can't be shipped.

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<v Speaker 1>That the a major major buying source has now disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that actually mean? Something else to think about that,

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<v Speaker 1>how is the software industry in British Columbia going to

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<v Speaker 1>survive tariffs? Because tariffs is something there that become extremely

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<v Speaker 1>important because you're not selling to a consumer, you're selling

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<v Speaker 1>to other businesses. The software industry goes. It's nearly completely

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<v Speaker 1>goals and and build without your materials, they will do so.

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<v Speaker 1>So how is how is it going to be negotiated

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<v Speaker 1>housing industry or building houses here in Canada at an

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<v Speaker 1>all time crisis. It's not a matter of just simply

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<v Speaker 1>The building supply manufacturers have to raise their prices, that

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<v Speaker 1>let's start off with comments from the MP's as they

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<v Speaker 1>were going into caucus in Ottawa. There's a lot lying

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<v Speaker 1>hear also from Ottawa as a NDP MP makes comments

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<v Speaker 1>bold comments about how past governments, liberal and conservative governments

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<v Speaker 1>see now by their own actions, and that mister Trudeau

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<v Speaker 1>the softwood industry. Now, remember the softwood industry is strictly

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<v Speaker 1>means to have a genocide. What are those steps that

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<v Speaker 1>actually cause a genocide, and how do we react to

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<v Speaker 1>them and put a stop to them so that a

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<v Speaker 1>human rights in our world. So let's start off with

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<v Speaker 1>the NPS at Ottawa as they talk about the effects

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<v Speaker 6>And mister Geepoll, what do you make of trump swing yesterday?

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<v Speaker 6>How are you going to deal with a US president

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<v Speaker 6>that's combative own environmental issues. He's going to roll back

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of advancements that Bidy administration made.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, first, I mean Canada and the US have the

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<v Speaker 7>long history of collaboration on a number of different issues.

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<v Speaker 4>Number one.

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<v Speaker 7>Number two, what I would say, and I said that

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<v Speaker 7>to some of your colleagues this morning. If you look at,

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<v Speaker 7>for example, the Inflation Reduction Act the IRA, some people

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<v Speaker 7>are saying, oh, he's going to cut that. Actually, the

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<v Speaker 7>vast majority of those investments are in Republican states. Billions

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<v Speaker 7>of dollars being invested in Republican states, thousands of jobs

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<v Speaker 7>being created in Republican states. So you'll have Republican governors, senators,

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<v Speaker 7>members of Congress. So we'll say, hold on a second.

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<v Speaker 7>This is good for us, This is good for our economy,

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<v Speaker 7>this is good for jobs. More and more, the issue

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<v Speaker 7>of the environment and specifically climate change in the United

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<v Speaker 7>States and around the world is viewed in the eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>Of a security issue.

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<v Speaker 7>How do you get access to certain critical components, critical minerals.

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<v Speaker 7>The US Department of Defense is investing in Canada because

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<v Speaker 7>they want to reduce their dependencies on China for many

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<v Speaker 7>of these components. We will be a partner of choice

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<v Speaker 7>for the United States, as we are for other of

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<v Speaker 7>our like minded allies around the world.

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<v Speaker 6>You do sound very optimistic here. This is a president

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<v Speaker 6>that said drill, baby, drill.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not saying there won't be challenges, and let's see

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<v Speaker 7>what the agenda the president will be, but I'm saying

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<v Speaker 7>we've worked with them in the past. We've worked with

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<v Speaker 7>a Republican administration in the past. We've worked with the

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<v Speaker 7>Democratic administration in the past, we can do this.

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<v Speaker 8>I have to one last question, Kay, how can you

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<v Speaker 8>are you going to rethink the oil and gas emissions

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<v Speaker 8>capital given the fact that we have now a president elect.

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<v Speaker 8>This is drill, baby drill, and Canada's oil and gas

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<v Speaker 8>industry is going to be looking at that quite closely.

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<v Speaker 9>No.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean the Canada is independent from the United States,

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<v Speaker 7>and we adopt our own laws and regulations, we will.

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<v Speaker 8>Count less competitive for businesses to do business in Canada

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<v Speaker 8>compared to the US. It says jill, baby drill.

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<v Speaker 7>We are put in place draft regulations to cap the

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<v Speaker 7>pollution of the oil and gas sector, which shows that

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<v Speaker 7>they can increase their production by sixteen percent by twenty

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<v Speaker 7>thirty while reducing pollution by thirty five percent and more

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<v Speaker 7>more United States, the US doesn't have carbon pressing.

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<v Speaker 4>We have carbon pressing.

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<v Speaker 7>We have different there there are many different things that

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<v Speaker 7>we do differently between the US and Canada. We're not

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<v Speaker 7>going to We're not a carbon copy of the United

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<v Speaker 7>States and we won't be, thank you.

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<v Speaker 10>Bok minister Ian.

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<v Speaker 11>Will we talk to you about the US election and

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<v Speaker 11>what that means for women's right, Well, we were prepared

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<v Speaker 11>for either outcome. And that's why I've been so vigilant

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<v Speaker 11>with regards to women's rights. And you have noticed that

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<v Speaker 11>last week within the Wayans and Means motion, I table

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<v Speaker 11>legislation on pregnancy crisis centers. And it's to make sure

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<v Speaker 11>that they're doing the right thing and making sure that

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<v Speaker 11>not offering, or are they risk losing their charitable status.

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<v Speaker 11>This is something that we're vigilant about. So we'll keep watch,

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<v Speaker 11>we'll keep doing what we do, what we were prepared

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<v Speaker 11>for for either outcome.

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<v Speaker 4>We've been working really hard over the border.

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<v Speaker 10>Why did the impact here in Canada from your.

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<v Speaker 11>Respect, Well, we know that there are women that try

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<v Speaker 11>to come to this country. When that happens their border cities,

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<v Speaker 11>we see numbers going off, and so this is why

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<v Speaker 11>it's so important, you know. It's I sometimes think about

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<v Speaker 11>the questions that I get and people will say, well,

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<v Speaker 11>women have you know, freedom of choice here, women have

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<v Speaker 11>all these things.

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<v Speaker 4>Why do you even think this is important?

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<v Speaker 11>And I say, well, the women over there thought they

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<v Speaker 11>had that freedom too, and so we should never ever

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<v Speaker 11>be asleep at the switch.

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<v Speaker 4>We should always be vigilanting.

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<v Speaker 12>Are you do anything to prepare for those women to

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<v Speaker 12>starting to come over the border?

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, are you.

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<v Speaker 11>We're always preparing and we're always looking at various scenarios.

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<v Speaker 11>But as I said, we've prepared for either outcome, and

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<v Speaker 11>we have for a long time.

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<v Speaker 8>Reproductive rights is a priority for women over the possible looking.

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<v Speaker 8>America just had a chance to elect them across on

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<v Speaker 8>the issue of reproductive rights, and they chose not to.

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<v Speaker 11>I think there was a lot there. It wasn't just

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<v Speaker 11>about reproductive rights.

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<v Speaker 8>In the States central part of their campaign, and they

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<v Speaker 11>You know, they did really really well in the midterms

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<v Speaker 11>when they did. I just think times are tough, and

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<v Speaker 11>when times are tough and prices are high, that kitchen

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<v Speaker 11>table issues are important and they become more important. People

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<v Speaker 11>are having a hard time feeding their families and that's

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<v Speaker 11>the number one issue. You know, they're talking about crime

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<v Speaker 11>and safety of their family and friends and neighborhoods. That's

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<v Speaker 11>an issue. It's not just one thing, it's several. There's

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<v Speaker 8>What do you think that Trump presidency is went to

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<v Speaker 8>This is a big question for the world, for the

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<v Speaker 5>All of the American people has spoken. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 5>think from our Canadian perspective, we'll be respectful of that,

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<v Speaker 5>but we'll also look at what this means for Canada. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 5>we have to stand up for Canadians, we have to

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<v Speaker 5>send up for Canadian issues and values, but we have

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<v Speaker 5>to work together. So this is going to be an

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<v Speaker 5>interesting thing, and I think that extends beyond our borders

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<v Speaker 5>of Canada and the US as well. We work well

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<v Speaker 5>with Americans around the world.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean I.

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<v Speaker 4>Travel a lot foreign affairs. I travel the.

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<v Speaker 5>World, counts on the Americans to be what it's about security,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's about international aid and development. So we will

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<v Speaker 5>be working with them and finding a way to do this.

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<v Speaker 5>We've been there before, you know. We show that we

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<v Speaker 5>can get good value for Canadians and our relationships with

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<v Speaker 5>the Americans, and we'll continue to do that. I think

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<v Speaker 5>I think the Prime Minister's ready and I think you'll

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<v Speaker 8>Are you concerned what it means for a country like Ukraine?

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<v Speaker 8>I mean Trump was in before you crack, but there

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<v Speaker 8>was a lot of war in the Middle East. There

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<v Speaker 8>was a lot of war in Ukraine, and mister Trump

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<v Speaker 5>I know where we stand on Ukraine. WILL stand for

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<v Speaker 4>All the time.

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<v Speaker 5>We will stand united and will stand with the people

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<v Speaker 5>of Ukraine and making sure that they have what they

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<v Speaker 8>As a Liberal, I was gonna say, as a liberal,

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<v Speaker 8>do you have any takeaways yet from what happened in

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<v Speaker 8>Canadian contest, Canadian but some of the concerns that Americans

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<v Speaker 8>went to the polls are shared here in Canada. So

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<v Speaker 8>as a Liberal, as an member of an incomic government,

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<v Speaker 8>any takeaways from last night?

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<v Speaker 5>I think we have to listen all the time. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>with the Americans, and there are differences and there's similarities.

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<v Speaker 5>I went to school and Cargo. I have a sense

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<v Speaker 5>similarities and we share our content. We have to get along.

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<v Speaker 5>But also I know that Canadians are worried about jobs

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<v Speaker 5>and prosperity. They're worried about cost of living, so we'll

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<v Speaker 6>There's going to be a transition team put in place

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<v Speaker 6>very soon. Now, do you or the minister have any

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<v Speaker 6>intentions of traveling to the US in the coming days weeks.

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<v Speaker 4>We travel to the US all the time, and I

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<v Speaker 4>haven't heard any yet, but of course we'll be uh.

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<v Speaker 5>We have relationships with governors and states across the mainland

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<v Speaker 5>as well as Alaska and Hawaii. We have relationships with Congress,

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<v Speaker 5>both in the Senate and the House of Representatives, and

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<v Speaker 5>we have relationships in the White House and with NGOs

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<v Speaker 5>and everybody, so we'll foster those relationships. We showed a

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<v Speaker 5>team Canada approach worked the last time to ensure Canada

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<v Speaker 5>got the best benefits we need. This is an important

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<v Speaker 5>trading partner and we'll be there.

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<v Speaker 8>I think of that team.

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<v Speaker 10>Canada approach absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope you.

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<v Speaker 8>Haven't the Conservative to be part of that Team Canada Approach.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely. I hope that the Conservatives recognized this is way

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<v Speaker 5>beyond partisan politics. All of us need to stand up

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<v Speaker 5>for Canada's defense, Canada's security, and I would just take

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<v Speaker 5>a moment to remind Canadians that Pierre Pauly I should

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<v Speaker 5>get a security clearance.

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<v Speaker 4>We can be part of every conversation.

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<v Speaker 13>With your part.

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<v Speaker 14>Learners are showing for the Liberals in what sense?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, you saw democrats lose. I mean there's questions about

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<v Speaker 8>did they connect with the working class? I mean, liberals

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<v Speaker 8>have a lot in common with the Democrats. Do you

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<v Speaker 8>take any lessons from what you saw last night?

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<v Speaker 14>That's a bit of a comparison of apples and oranges,

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<v Speaker 14>I think, I mean, certainly there would be some more

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<v Speaker 14>shared values between the parties, but I think to try

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<v Speaker 14>to take the American context and apply it to the

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<v Speaker 14>Canadian or vice versa, does a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 14>disservice to the types of things that we need to

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<v Speaker 14>be focusing on here. So certainly it was interesting to watch,

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<v Speaker 14>and there may be some takeaways for us that can

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<v Speaker 14>be applied to the domestic situation here, But I think

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<v Speaker 14>we have to be careful about making broad comparisons betueing

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<v Speaker 14>the American Canadian country.

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<v Speaker 8>Are there any takeaways that stick out to you.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I mean you've been covering politics for I got

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<v Speaker 14>something in my hair, Yeah, covering politics for a little while.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, you know, you don't come to a conclusion

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<v Speaker 14>on an analysis within twelve hours of a result.

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<v Speaker 13>You have to take some.

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<v Speaker 14>Time to reflect, and right now we're focused on what's

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<v Speaker 14>happening here. Obviously, the election, regardless of whether it's a

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<v Speaker 14>Republican or a Democrat president, impacts the work that we

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<v Speaker 14>have to do because the nature of the relationship will

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<v Speaker 14>change with a new administration. So we have to focus

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<v Speaker 14>on those things. In terms of the political lessons, whether

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<v Speaker 14>there are any there that's something that can take place

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<v Speaker 14>over time, and you really have to make sure to

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<v Speaker 14>do a thorough analysis, and I'm sure that campaign folks

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<v Speaker 14>will be taking that time that's necessary to see whether

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<v Speaker 14>there are some things that we can draw.

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<v Speaker 8>Are you concerned about what a Trump president presidency might

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<v Speaker 8>mean for jobs, for your constituency, for the economy in Canada?

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<v Speaker 14>The job of the Canadian government is always to look

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<v Speaker 14>out for the best interests to Canadian people. So we've

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<v Speaker 14>been through a Trump administration before, and we've also been

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<v Speaker 14>through other American administrations where there's been a bit of

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<v Speaker 14>a growing isolation as sentiment. This is something that both

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<v Speaker 14>major political parties in the United States were espousing. So

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<v Speaker 14>there's going to be a necessity for us to evaluate

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<v Speaker 14>the different policies that they put forward, but that will

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<v Speaker 14>take some time, and of course, until the new president

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<v Speaker 14>is sworn in during inauguration in a couple of months

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<v Speaker 14>from now, there'll be a bit of a transition period

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<v Speaker 14>where I think we get a sense of the direction

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<v Speaker 14>that they're headed, and then we will have to adjust accordingly.

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<v Speaker 14>But ultimately, the Prime Minister is very well positioned, I think,

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<v Speaker 14>to be able to work with the new administration because

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<v Speaker 14>he's been there before. A lot of the race relationships

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<v Speaker 14>still exist, a lot of the understanding of matters to

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<v Speaker 14>Americans and what matters to Canadians will be tapped into,

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<v Speaker 14>I think more easily than perhaps they would otherwise.

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<v Speaker 4>Be all right, okay, thanks.

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<v Speaker 8>Are you concerned about what a truck presidency means for

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<v Speaker 8>the war?

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<v Speaker 15>Gaza Canada has a strong relationship with us, and it's

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<v Speaker 15>really very important that we work with the new administration

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<v Speaker 15>to make sure that we fight for Canadians and uh

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<v Speaker 15>the situation in I think a lot of innocent people

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<v Speaker 15>have been killed, and it is on the mind of

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<v Speaker 15>a lot of my constituents. And I will keep on

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<v Speaker 15>advocating for the Palestinian people, Lebanese people. Everyone had to

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<v Speaker 15>know we're seeing the falls of time.

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<v Speaker 12>You gotta expect, you gotta you gotta respect the decision

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<v Speaker 12>of the American people. Every real professions in Canada.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I think.

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<v Speaker 12>We're we're well positioned to deal with them. But it's

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<v Speaker 12>there's there's there's no clear answers. I think that will

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<v Speaker 12>become clear in the fullest of time. And I'm a

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<v Speaker 12>long way from the circle in which those decisions are

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<v Speaker 12>made and from the.

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<v Speaker 16>Strategic point of view for the liberals to see that

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<v Speaker 16>the Americans had that desire of change in their country

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<v Speaker 16>and to here some Canadians asking for change here what

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<v Speaker 16>lessons can be taken?

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<v Speaker 12>I don't know, I really don't. I mean, you ask

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<v Speaker 12>ten people, you'll get twenty opinions. I think we just

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<v Speaker 12>have to take it a day at a time and

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<v Speaker 12>and stay focused on the things that matter. And I

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<v Speaker 12>don't I don't have a clear sense of how this

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<v Speaker 12>is going to impact. You know, there's there's there's lots

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<v Speaker 12>of challenges in this country as as there are there

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<v Speaker 12>and I'm it's it's it's a hard it's a tough reread.

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<v Speaker 12>I've thought about it a lot and I wish I

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<v Speaker 12>had a clear answer for you.

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<v Speaker 13>But I didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, thinks today Yeah, yeah, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought about it before.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, what will the impact be? And I couldn't

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<v Speaker 12>predict what it will be? And it's no clearer today.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank the Prime minister is able to handle a second

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<v Speaker 8>Trump presidency.

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<v Speaker 15>Don't trust them?

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<v Speaker 12>Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, he's been there, been there,

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<v Speaker 12>done that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>He clearly knows what we're in for.

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<v Speaker 12>And uh and has already started the groundwork to be

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<v Speaker 12>able to deal with it. And I mean, I can't

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<v Speaker 12>imagine if if Pierre Pouliev was in his seat, how

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<v Speaker 12>bad it would be. I think the experience that he

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<v Speaker 12>had in Trump one point always going to service all.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, is this an opportunity for mister Trudeau to maybe

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<v Speaker 8>talk to people like constituents of yours who say maybe

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<v Speaker 8>it's time to go, that he can show them maybe

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<v Speaker 8>he still has some fight left in him. Maybe is

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<v Speaker 8>this an opportunity for the Prime minister?

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<v Speaker 4>You think absolutely?

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<v Speaker 16>And seeing that you know, the Democrats change their leader

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<v Speaker 16>and they couldn't get re elected.

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<v Speaker 10>Is that I don't know.

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<v Speaker 16>Is that not a good sign for the Liberals?

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<v Speaker 4>I'll leave that to the pundits. Okay, the same answer.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, And I.

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<v Speaker 4>Couldn't even speculator.

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<v Speaker 8>He said absolutely to the question of if this isn't

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<v Speaker 8>what what what can mister Trudeau do right now? What

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<v Speaker 8>can you do to show the constituents that he still

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<v Speaker 8>got it with If this is an opportunity, that'll be up.

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<v Speaker 12>To the constituents to just to assess his actions. I

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<v Speaker 12>can't foretell the future on that.

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<v Speaker 4>But every every big.

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<v Speaker 12>Challenge that comes before the country that he faces is

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<v Speaker 12>another opportunity for him. This one will be no different.

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<v Speaker 16>Are you saying that because you feel that mister Trudeau

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<v Speaker 16>likes to fight like to you know, have a clear ad, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, I think that's pretty clear.

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<v Speaker 10>What you make is also yesterday that we've seen they

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<v Speaker 10>do this.

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<v Speaker 17>Oh, I don't know. There's much for me to make

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<v Speaker 17>of it. That's the situation. And now we as Canadians

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<v Speaker 17>have a job to do. We've as a government, we've

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<v Speaker 17>we've been there before and representing a community close to

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<v Speaker 17>the border. I know we work well with the United States,

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<v Speaker 17>and regardless of who the president is, we'll.

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<v Speaker 4>Continue to do that.

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<v Speaker 16>You've talked a lot about disinformation misinformation. What do you

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<v Speaker 16>make of this reality in the States and do you

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<v Speaker 16>think it had to have played a role in that election.

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<v Speaker 17>We'll speak to it in regards to Canada because that's

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<v Speaker 17>what I'm accustomed to, that it is a reality in

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<v Speaker 17>our electoral system, and that we're seeing it not only

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<v Speaker 17>from political parties in this country, but foreign foreign actors

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<v Speaker 17>as well.

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<v Speaker 4>It's having an impact here that's well reported on.

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<v Speaker 17>It's something that we have to keep an eye on

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<v Speaker 17>and keep working in terms of regulating, of regulating of

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<v Speaker 17>big tech giants.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you from your constituents about Town's presidency.

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<v Speaker 18>I haven't chatted with any of my constituents today about

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<v Speaker 18>about what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>But this is democracy, right. People get to.

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<v Speaker 18>Choose who who runs their their their provinces and their

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<v Speaker 18>countries and their territories and their nations. And might be

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<v Speaker 18>challenging for some of us who disagree with with certain policies,

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<v Speaker 18>but this is democracy and.

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<v Speaker 4>We respect them any lesson for that.

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<v Speaker 8>You take away as being a liberal to see what

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<v Speaker 8>happened in terms of Donald Trump being re elected. Canada

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<v Speaker 8>is not the US, but it's not so dissimilar any

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<v Speaker 8>lessons you take.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's early for lessons.

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<v Speaker 18>I'm looking forward to to Kamala Harris's speech. I'm sort

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<v Speaker 18>of digesting some of the some of the staffs that

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<v Speaker 18>we've all seen with respect to voter turnout and who

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<v Speaker 18>voted for whom.

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<v Speaker 4>But uh, I mean, it's a it's a it's quite

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<v Speaker 4>a time, right.

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<v Speaker 18>We're all processing these results and results from other elections

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<v Speaker 18>around the world, and I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Going to stay focused on Milton because that's my job.

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<v Speaker 18>My job is to defend Canadian interests, promote our exports

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<v Speaker 18>and our innovation and all the opportunities that exist here

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<v Speaker 18>in Canada. I'm also really, really confident that this government

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<v Speaker 18>is capable of promoting and defending Canada's interests. Did a

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<v Speaker 18>good job between sixteen and twenty. If anybody is interested

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<v Speaker 18>or excited about renegotiating KUSMA, NAFTA two point zero, or

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<v Speaker 18>however you'd like to refer to it, those.

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<v Speaker 4>Sentiments are coming from the United States.

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<v Speaker 18>I think that only suggests that they weren't happy with

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<v Speaker 18>the deal they got. The first time, and I think

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<v Speaker 18>I think we got a pretty good one.

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<v Speaker 19>I'm hard to interrupt.

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<v Speaker 10>Some people say that it might be a sneak peek up.

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<v Speaker 10>What's going to happen in Canada.

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<v Speaker 4>What's your reaction to them. I have no reaction to that.

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<v Speaker 8>You think it's for the Liberals to stop criticized all

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<v Speaker 8>the episodes.

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<v Speaker 16>What do you make of the fact that, you know,

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<v Speaker 16>the Democrats changed their leader and they couldn't win, So

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<v Speaker 16>what to say about some of your colleagues that would

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<v Speaker 16>like to change leader.

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<v Speaker 18>I haven't analyzed any of that. I think it's like

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<v Speaker 18>a little bit of a step. We have our own

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<v Speaker 18>challenges and our own issues. We have our in Canada,

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<v Speaker 18>we have our own opportunities, and you know, we've also

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<v Speaker 18>demonstrated an ability to cut interest rates more quickly. Our

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<v Speaker 18>inflation has gotten down to a lower spot. Our job

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<v Speaker 18>numbers are pretty good. I had an interview this week

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<v Speaker 18>on the radio about economic optimism.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it takes time.

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<v Speaker 18>Like it's not as though like inflation comes down and

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<v Speaker 18>immediately everybody feels better.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, We're still remembering the fact.

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<v Speaker 18>That, like, okay, but let us was four ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 18>like a month ago, like that's too expensive when our

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<v Speaker 18>price is going to normalize, And I think we can't

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<v Speaker 18>just constantly be saying, you know, don't worry your wages

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<v Speaker 18>have kept pace with the rate of inflation. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 18>really mean anything to your average Canadian, particularly if they

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<v Speaker 18>haven't experienced a raise in the last six or twelve months.

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<v Speaker 18>So stats are important. Facts are important, but so are

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<v Speaker 18>how people feel. And I'm trying to meet my constituents

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<v Speaker 18>where they are and identify solutions that are unique, perhaps

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<v Speaker 18>to Milton's community. We're one of the fastest growing communities

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<v Speaker 18>in Ontario. So you know, a lot of people have

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<v Speaker 18>housing concerns, a lot of people have job concerns with

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<v Speaker 18>respect to you know, the assumption that everybody that's going

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<v Speaker 18>to live in the GTA is going to commute into Mississauga,

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<v Speaker 18>Toronto to work.

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<v Speaker 4>So I want to build up the economy.

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<v Speaker 18>I got involved in politics because you know, I was

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<v Speaker 18>was raised in public housing in a co op in Oakville,

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<v Speaker 18>and back in the nineties, various governments in Canada decided

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<v Speaker 18>to stop building community housing.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't have a lot of community housing.

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<v Speaker 18>There's not very much nonprofit housing in Canada, and the

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<v Speaker 18>result is The reason is because governments in the nineties

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<v Speaker 18>decided not to invest there. And this is the first

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<v Speaker 18>government in thirty years that has put co ops back

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<v Speaker 18>into a budget, and we've seen one point five billion

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<v Speaker 18>dollars of investment in new co ops. The reason I'm

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<v Speaker 18>so ardent about co ops is my mom's worked in

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<v Speaker 18>the industry, in the sector, and I grew up in

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<v Speaker 18>a co op myself.

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<v Speaker 4>My mom retired on Sunday after.

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<v Speaker 18>Twenty six years running the same co op in Mississauga,

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<v Speaker 18>and the people that I talked to at her retirement party,

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<v Speaker 18>I talked to ten who all in the last ten

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<v Speaker 18>years or so, left the co op and bought a house.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 18>Stop because I wanted to get super political. But I

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<v Speaker 18>did a speech about co ops once and the Conservatives

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<v Speaker 18>called it Soviet style housing. I didn't grow up in

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<v Speaker 18>Soviet style housing. My mom escaped Soviet hungry in the fifties.

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<v Speaker 18>We grew up in safe, affordable housing. And I'm going

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<v Speaker 18>to keep doing this work so that we build more

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<v Speaker 18>safe community housing that people can afford, so they can save.

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<v Speaker 16>Up and pile You get about housing, did you hear

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<v Speaker 16>from your constituents about mister Puliev's proposal on the housing

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<v Speaker 16>what did you what have you heard from your constituents.

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<v Speaker 4>I haven't chatted with them too much about it. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>my concern is.

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<v Speaker 18>That if like I'm in favor of lower taxes, but

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<v Speaker 18>it's a question of how you pay for it. And

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<v Speaker 18>the Housing Accelerator Fund has benefited Milton to the tune

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<v Speaker 18>of twenty two million dollars. It's going to enable housing

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<v Speaker 18>people to find solutions. That's in the non market space,

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<v Speaker 18>that's in the affordable space, and the supportive space on

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<v Speaker 18>the shelter side.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going to help.

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<v Speaker 18>And if we're going to you know, subsidize million dollar

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<v Speaker 18>condos by cutting taxes on you know, and cutting taxes,

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<v Speaker 18>but then paying for it by taking away from social

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<v Speaker 18>programs that are supporting the most vulnerable, I don't think

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<v Speaker 18>that's the way to build communities.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks guys.

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<v Speaker 5>Thoughts, how you're probably going to handle the immigration.

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<v Speaker 13>Potma that Trump's.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I'll leave it to Mark to do is sorry

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<v Speaker 4>for the sun?

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<v Speaker 20>Yeah, Look, I think we're we've been planning for a

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<v Speaker 20>number of months for whatever inevitability may arise from the

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<v Speaker 20>American election. But of course our interests of Canadians is

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<v Speaker 20>what's going.

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<v Speaker 4>To determine the path forward.

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<v Speaker 20>There's obviously different policy decisions that will be taken by

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<v Speaker 20>foreign governments of different partisan persuasions, and those can have

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<v Speaker 20>an impact. But my sense is by collaborating with the

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<v Speaker 20>American administration to ensure that we can continue to have

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<v Speaker 20>an open trading relationship, we can communicate that it's in

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<v Speaker 20>our collective interest to manage the border appropriately but at

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<v Speaker 20>the same time embrace cross border trade. But when it

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<v Speaker 20>comes to the specivics on the immigration portfolio, I've got

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<v Speaker 20>a colleague who's got things well on that.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks folks cringing at.

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<v Speaker 21>It, okay, I will say that what's really important is

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<v Speaker 21>that the world can you stand with Ukraine. And I

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<v Speaker 21>know that the Ukraine's are not only fighting for their

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<v Speaker 21>own freedom and democracy and for their own survival, but

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<v Speaker 21>they're also fighting for US.

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<v Speaker 4>If Russia wins, then they won't stop at Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 21>A lot of implutent won't stop at Ukraine, and it'll

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<v Speaker 21>be Canadians, Americans and Europeans will be next in defending

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<v Speaker 21>ourselves against Rusian aggression. So we need to continue to

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<v Speaker 21>support with the Ukraine with everything that they need to

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<v Speaker 21>win this war and will continue to work with our

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<v Speaker 21>allies to make sure that happens.

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<v Speaker 12>But if Trump doesn't, you know, supported effort going forward,

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<v Speaker 12>what will that mean from the war?

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<v Speaker 21>Well, I don't want to speculate us to what you

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<v Speaker 21>know President elect Trump will decide to do. But it

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<v Speaker 21>is in the interest of Canada, the United States, and

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<v Speaker 21>Europe and the entire democratic world that Ukraine witness war.

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<v Speaker 21>And my hope will be that the United States continues

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<v Speaker 21>to support Ukraine together with Canada and or European aalyistintil

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<v Speaker 21>That's my hope.

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<v Speaker 13>Thank you, thank you, thank you for.

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<v Speaker 10>Good morning. My name is Nikki Ashton.

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<v Speaker 22>I'm the Member of Parliament for Churchill, Kiwait and Okaski

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<v Speaker 22>and the NDP critic for tax Fairness. I'm joined here

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<v Speaker 22>today with my colleague alexand Bouleris at the MP for

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<v Speaker 22>Rosemond La Petit Petri and the NDP critic on housing,

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<v Speaker 22>and we are honored to be here with Katrina Miller,

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<v Speaker 22>who's joining us online, the executive director of Canadians for

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<v Speaker 22>Tax Fairness, as well as Sharon Katz, member of ACORN,

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<v Speaker 22>the National Tenants union that represents low to moderate income Canadians,

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<v Speaker 22>often in rental housing, experiencing our national housing crisis firsthand.

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<v Speaker 10>We have a housing crisis in Canada.

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<v Speaker 22>Many young Canadians, working class Canadians families are worried they

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<v Speaker 22>will be forever priced out of the housing market. All

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<v Speaker 22>the while they're seeing rich investors outbidding them for family homes,

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<v Speaker 22>and they know that the housing market is rigged against them.

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<v Speaker 22>Twenty twenty three was a record for the growth in

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<v Speaker 22>income inequality between the richest and the poorest in Canada,

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<v Speaker 22>and the housing crisis is fueling that divide. The top

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<v Speaker 22>one percent pay only twenty three point six percent of

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<v Speaker 22>their income and taxes, enjoying the lowest tax rates of anyone.

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<v Speaker 10>The rich in Canada today have never had it so good.

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<v Speaker 22>We can't solve the housing crisis without understanding how it

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<v Speaker 22>was created, and we must be clear that this housing

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<v Speaker 22>crisis didn't just happen. The report put out by Canadians

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<v Speaker 22>for Tax Fairness is shocking. It points to how successive

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<v Speaker 22>liberal and conservative governments brought us to this point, that

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<v Speaker 22>they in fact engineered the housing crisis we face today.

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<v Speaker 22>It's been a crisis in the making, not just for

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<v Speaker 22>the last ten years, but over the last thirty years,

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<v Speaker 22>it's liberals and conservatives who wrote the rules and built

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<v Speaker 22>a housing market that is great for rich investors, great

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<v Speaker 22>for billionaires, that makes billions in profits, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 22>work for Canadians. Liberals and conservatives encouraged the financialization of

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<v Speaker 22>the housing market. In other words, they allowed housing to

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<v Speaker 22>turn into cash cows for corporate investors and rich investors

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<v Speaker 22>instead of homes for Canadian families who desperately need them.

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<v Speaker 22>Not only that, but they also let rich developers get

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<v Speaker 22>away with paying very little tax by handing out billions

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<v Speaker 22>of dollars in tax breaks to wealthy real estate giants.

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<v Speaker 10>Successive liberal and conservative.

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<v Speaker 22>Governments priced working class Canadians out of the housing market.

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<v Speaker 22>The disastrous capital gains tax exemptions that allowed billionaires to

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<v Speaker 22>get out of paying taxes have led us to this point.

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<v Speaker 22>I'm proud of the work that we in the NDP

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<v Speaker 22>have done to use our power to fix part of

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<v Speaker 22>this problem, but the reality is we desperately need to

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<v Speaker 22>see political will from the liberals right now when it

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<v Speaker 22>comes to fixing the full problem. Instead of having the

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<v Speaker 22>government build housing, liberals and conservatives have outsourced the job

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<v Speaker 22>to rich developers people like Donald Trump, the Canadian version,

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<v Speaker 22>whose surprise, surprise, only care about their bottom line. On

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<v Speaker 22>the other hand, we have Pierre Poliev who likes to

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<v Speaker 22>pretend that this is just a recent problem, that the

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<v Speaker 22>housing crisis just happened.

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<v Speaker 10>But the truth is that the housing crisis has been.

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<v Speaker 22>Decades in the making, including when he was the Housing

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<v Speaker 22>Minister as part of the previous Stephen Harper government. It

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<v Speaker 22>was under his watch when he was a cabinet minister

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<v Speaker 22>where he continued the tax breaks to corporate developers that

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<v Speaker 22>have squeezed Canadians when it comes to housing. While rents

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<v Speaker 22>spiral out of control. The real estate sector collected fifty

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<v Speaker 22>point four billion in profits in twenty twenty three, fifty

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<v Speaker 22>point four billion dollars in profits, shocking at a time

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<v Speaker 22>when so many renters cannot afford their basic necessities.

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<v Speaker 10>We need to be clear that this didn't just happen.

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<v Speaker 22>Working Canadians have been outbid by corporations who've turned around

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<v Speaker 22>flipped houses just to make a quick buck, and this

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<v Speaker 22>was encouraged by liberal and conservative decisions. The reality is

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<v Speaker 22>that the majority purchasers of multifamily dwellings are banks, not

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<v Speaker 22>Canadian families. This is a structural issue. Housing should be

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<v Speaker 22>treated as a human right, not a way for rich

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<v Speaker 22>investors to make a quick buck while Canadians are pushed

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<v Speaker 22>out of safe and affordable homes. For us in the NDP,

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<v Speaker 22>we will treat housing for what it is, a human right,

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<v Speaker 22>prioritizing the need for affordable rents for affordable homes instead

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<v Speaker 22>of making housing an issue of cash cow for the rich.

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<v Speaker 22>We in the NDP have proposed a bold plan building

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<v Speaker 22>a different type of housing market, one that puts people

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<v Speaker 22>before profits. And this report put forward by Canadians for

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<v Speaker 22>Tax Fairness makes one thing very clear. We cannot solve

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<v Speaker 22>the housing crisis by giving more tax breaks to the rich,

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<v Speaker 22>to rich developers helping the banks.

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<v Speaker 10>As housing costs rise.

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<v Speaker 22>The rich are getting richer and working Canadians are left behind.

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<v Speaker 22>It's time to rethink the way we treat housing in Canada.

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<v Speaker 22>Canadians are asking for us to rethink enact urgently when

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<v Speaker 22>it comes to housing in Canada. We need to start

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<v Speaker 22>by closing the tax loopholes and stop the financialization of

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<v Speaker 22>housing that has created this crisis in the first place,

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<v Speaker 22>and we urgently need to invest in public and non

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<v Speaker 22>market housing units including co ops, housing operated by not

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<v Speaker 22>for profit provider providers and social housing. We need to

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<v Speaker 22>have broad, implementing implemented rent control policies, including vacancy control,

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<v Speaker 22>and we need to limit ownership of rental housing by

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<v Speaker 22>large corporate landlords as is done out swear. At the

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<v Speaker 22>end of the day, the n d P stands ready

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<v Speaker 22>to fight for these bold changes to stand up for

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<v Speaker 22>Canadians who are living.

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<v Speaker 10>The housing crisis.

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<v Speaker 22>Now we're going to hear more about these solutions, and

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<v Speaker 22>I want to call on my colleague alexand bouleris our

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<v Speaker 22>housing critic, to share some words.

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<v Speaker 23>Now, Nikki alexandle Ris deputy. There was one Patrie Ma

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<v Speaker 23>the mothers. This is young gouvernamental lapsience that this is

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<v Speaker 23>young governmental shows. The premier shows disengagement government federaln this

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<v Speaker 13>Convolsions really consequence.

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<v Speaker 23>The dosium shows the fenomen canna pel the financial marci partimo.

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<v Speaker 13>Always chapati fiscal.

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<v Speaker 23>Vest Smanda Limobighi paper just come liss price, who come

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<v Speaker 23>Cross de fonde vest Smanda Pharaoh maximum de profit if

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<v Speaker 23>So just actually real, fellow men, the amply filed problem

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<v Speaker 23>policiapli can Eddy mex.

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<v Speaker 22>Let's see Alexand next we will go to Katrina Meller,

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<v Speaker 22>the executive director of Canadians for Tax Fairness who released

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<v Speaker 22>this groundbreaking report. Hello Katrina, Hello, thank you Nikki, and

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<v Speaker 22>it's a pleasure to be with all of you today

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<v Speaker 22>on this important issue. We did release report that clearly

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<v Speaker 22>showed that our tax system and the tax breaks that

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<v Speaker 22>it offers fin for financialized landlords, is hurting our goal

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<v Speaker 22>of having affordable housing in Canada. In twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 22>we saw our rents rise by eight percent, while our

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<v Speaker 22>inflation rate and.

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<v Speaker 19>Wages only went up a book at five As mentioned,

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<v Speaker 19>during that same year, the real estate sector walked away

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<v Speaker 19>with fifty billion dollars in profits. That's forty percent higher

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<v Speaker 19>than its pre pandemic norm. And what we're seeing in

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<v Speaker 19>our research is that these real estate investors that are

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<v Speaker 19>financialized firms like real estate investment trusts or equity firms,

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<v Speaker 19>are using capital gains as an increasing source of income

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<v Speaker 19>for a couple of reasons. One, they have a tax

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<v Speaker 19>break on capital gains. Two, some of these firms, particularly

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<v Speaker 19>real estate investment trusts, have an exemption for any corporate

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<v Speaker 19>income that they gain. So these two tax breaks in

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<v Speaker 19>particular are driving these financialized landlords to buy up more

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<v Speaker 19>and more of our housing stock and to use it

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<v Speaker 19>as an asset, increasing rents in order to both increase

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<v Speaker 19>the income they get from rents as well as the

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<v Speaker 19>ascid price when they decide to sell. These financialized landlords

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<v Speaker 19>now own a quarter of all our purpose built rental

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<v Speaker 19>and are the major purchases right now. So unless we

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<v Speaker 19>close down these loopholes, we're going to see these financialized

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<v Speaker 19>landlords own more and more of our housing stock and

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<v Speaker 19>drive our rents to more and more unaffordable prices. This

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<v Speaker 19>is why we have three recommendations for the government. One

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<v Speaker 19>is to fully close the capital gains loophole and include

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<v Speaker 19>all capital gains income as taxbile income that's inflation adjusted,

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<v Speaker 19>especially for the real estate sector. The second is to

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<v Speaker 19>end the exemption that real estate investment trusts get right

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<v Speaker 19>now on their corporate income tax. For example, Canda seven

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<v Speaker 19>top real estate investment trust companies transferred one hundred million

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<v Speaker 19>dollars of income tax free to their investors. Neither the

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<v Speaker 19>corporation nor the investor paid any tax on the one

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<v Speaker 19>hundred million dollars in twenty twenty two, and that was

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<v Speaker 19>by using both the capital gains tax break and the

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<v Speaker 19>real estate investment trust tax exemption to basically grab that

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<v Speaker 19>income from Canada with no taxes paid. We need that

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<v Speaker 19>revenue back in order to pay for our affordable housing

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<v Speaker 19>plans in order to build non market housing. These tax

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<v Speaker 19>breaks don't help build housing.

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<v Speaker 10>Reads don't build housing.

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<v Speaker 19>They simply buy housing that's already been built, increase its

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<v Speaker 19>value in order to sell it at a higher price.

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<v Speaker 19>If we want to have a tax system that benefits

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<v Speaker 19>our affordable housing plans, we need to shut down these looples.

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<v Speaker 22>Thank you, thank you so much, Katrina, and next we'll

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<v Speaker 22>hear from Sharon Katz from ACORN.

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<v Speaker 9>Good morning, Thank you for inviting Acorn to speak today.

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<v Speaker 9>My name is Sharon Katz and I am a member

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<v Speaker 9>of ACORN Canada. ACORN is a national independent organization of

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<v Speaker 9>low to moderate income people. Our members are largely tenants

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<v Speaker 9>who are bearing the brunt of the housing crisis, which

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<v Speaker 9>is getting worse by the day. Many of our members

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<v Speaker 9>live in housing that is owned by rates or other

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<v Speaker 9>types of financialized landlords. Financialized landlords are maximizing profits for

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<v Speaker 9>the few by squeezing tenants out of the only affordable

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<v Speaker 9>housing that is left. These big corporations earn huge profits

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<v Speaker 9>through increased turnover rates, meaning replacing long term tenants with

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<v Speaker 9>new ones at higher rents. Once financialized landlords by apartment buildings,

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<v Speaker 9>they often allow them to fall into disrepair so that

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<v Speaker 9>they can force the existing tenants out by using tactics

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<v Speaker 9>like renevictions, dum evictions, major rent increases, and others. If

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<v Speaker 9>a tenant is forced out, they have nowhere else to go.

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<v Speaker 9>Data from CMHC shows the share of affordable units for

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<v Speaker 9>low income housing households is less than five percent in

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<v Speaker 9>major city centers, one percent in Vancouver, and almost zero

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<v Speaker 9>percent in Ontario cities. Canada's public, non market and affordable

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<v Speaker 9>housing stock is now among the lowest of OECD countries

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<v Speaker 9>at three point five percent. Families and individuals end up

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<v Speaker 9>making larger and larger sacrifices to pay inflated rents. They

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<v Speaker 9>spend less on groceries and medications, neglect paying other bills,

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<v Speaker 9>dip into savings, or go further into debt. If a

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<v Speaker 9>tenant resists and is able to say, it doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 9>they're lucky. What we're sering on the ground through daily

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<v Speaker 9>door knocking and phone calls, surveys and regular tenant meetings

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<v Speaker 9>is that long term tenants with lower rents are less

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<v Speaker 9>likely to get repairs or maintenance. They are also forced

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<v Speaker 9>to live with bed bugs, cockroaches, mold and more. Rent

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<v Speaker 9>increases every year come consistently, especially in Ontario, tenants report

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<v Speaker 9>getting above guideline increases back to back. Tenants often express

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<v Speaker 9>stress and anxiety, negative impacts on themselves and their children,

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<v Speaker 9>fear of displacement, and the inability to find adequate housing.

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<v Speaker 9>Reats shouldn't be getting preferential tax treatment for making things

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<v Speaker 9>worse for tenants. This is why Acorn Canada is demanding

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<v Speaker 9>the following to reign in these routs. One the federal

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<v Speaker 9>government must stop apartment sales to corporate landlords. In Berlin,

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<v Speaker 9>for example, corporations cannot own more than three thousand apartment suites.

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<v Speaker 9>Two Ensure the acquisition funds set up by the federal

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<v Speaker 9>government is adequately funded and enables land trusts, co ops, tenants,

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<v Speaker 9>and nonprofits to purchase affordable rental buildings when they come

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<v Speaker 9>on the market. Three Ensure write a first refusal for

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<v Speaker 9>land trusts, co ops, tenants, and nonprofits so that they

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<v Speaker 9>have the first opportunity to acquire apartment buildings that are

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<v Speaker 9>for sale.

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<v Speaker 10>The City of Montreal.

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<v Speaker 9>Exercises the right of first refusal, which grants the city

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<v Speaker 9>priority to purchase certain buildings and land ahead of other

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<v Speaker 9>by this should be nationalized.

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<v Speaker 13>Thank you for your job.

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<v Speaker 22>Thank you so much, Sharon Katz from ACORN. What you've

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<v Speaker 22>heard clearly today is that this housing crisis didn't just happen.

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<v Speaker 22>It is the result of liberal and conservative policies that

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<v Speaker 22>have not only failed to invest in public, non market housing,

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<v Speaker 22>but have also created tax incentives to allow for billionaires,

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<v Speaker 22>rich investors, trust funds, the banks to take advantage and

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<v Speaker 22>shape a housing market that benefits them at the expense

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<v Speaker 22>of working Canadians. At the expense of young people, at

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<v Speaker 22>the expense of Canadian families who are living the housing

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<v Speaker 22>crisis right now. We are calling for concrete changes, very

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<v Speaker 22>much rooted in the report that you've the roundbreaking report

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<v Speaker 22>you've heard about here today from the Canadians for Tax Fairness,

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<v Speaker 22>and very much reflective of the message we've heard from

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<v Speaker 22>ACORN that there that there is a crisis that demands

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<v Speaker 22>urgent action now and that there are tangible solutions UH

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<v Speaker 22>to look to.

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<v Speaker 10>What we need is political will.

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<v Speaker 22>And with that I'd like to open that up to

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<v Speaker 22>any questions from any of our panelists.

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<v Speaker 23>The simple.

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<v Speaker 23>Listener man man pure people in prect that they found

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<v Speaker 24>Keep on meaning.

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<v Speaker 10>As listener you and.

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<v Speaker 23>If you see on the pack up that that this

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<v Speaker 23>Chris important loves as conservator will be okay.

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<v Speaker 13>Politics. We have nobody on zoom, so let's conclude the

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<v Speaker 13>press conference.

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<v Speaker 22>Thank you, okay something Jale Summer and Francis see the

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<v Speaker 22>So trained the le prix on the Canadians for Tax Fairness,

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you so much to our participants.

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<v Speaker 22>Katrina Meller from Canadians for Tax Fairness, Sharing Katz and

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<v Speaker 22>all of acorn.

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<v Speaker 10>Thank you very much. Let's the Alexander.

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<v Speaker 25>I would like to start by reading the remarks I

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<v Speaker 25>started with. Yes, surely, as I presented my fifth report

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<v Speaker 25>as a Special Opporteur to the Third Committee of the

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<v Speaker 25>General Assembly in a year in which I was turned

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<v Speaker 25>into a reluctant chronicler of genocide, I feel compelled to

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<v Speaker 25>start by paying my respect to the victims and survivors

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<v Speaker 25>of all genocides past and present, including the Native Americans

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<v Speaker 25>like the Lenape people, who are neually regional stewards of

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<v Speaker 25>the land on which this institution stands. Certainly, the ongoing

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<v Speaker 25>struggle of Native Americans and indigenous peoples everywhere to again

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<v Speaker 25>and maintain their rights on their ancestral land like the Palestinians,

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<v Speaker 25>would be less challenging if institutions like this one, premised

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<v Speaker 25>upon equality and freedom of all and self determination for all,

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<v Speaker 25>were actually committed to addressing and unraveling the colonial past,

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<v Speaker 25>beginning by confronting the prevailing col only al amnesia that

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<v Speaker 25>affects many of them, and as Italian Holocaust survivor Primo

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<v Speaker 25>Levi reminds us, it is the emsia of the past

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<v Speaker 25>and the risure of its victims. That allows history to

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<v Speaker 25>repeat itself.

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<v Speaker 10>And why did I.

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<v Speaker 25>Start by reading this again and again, It's because history

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01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:33.439
<v Speaker 25>is repeating itself. Yesterday I presented my second report on genocide.

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<v Speaker 25>Why so, why do I insist in calling it genocide

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<v Speaker 25>because it's so difficult to prove intent. Why don't you

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<v Speaker 25>go with war crimes and crimes against humanity because it's genocide.

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<v Speaker 25>Because if you go to a doctor and you have

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<v Speaker 25>cancer and you are diagnosed with with FEVA, you have

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<v Speaker 25>a problem, a big problem. It's the same with the

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<v Speaker 25>people who's being genocided, because it's not about the collection

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01:11:05.119 --> 01:11:07.520
<v Speaker 25>of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Is that the

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<v Speaker 25>Palestinians are experiencing, they have experienced through their entire life

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<v Speaker 25>as a people, war crimes and crimes against humanity. But

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<v Speaker 25>nowadays the situation is different, and it's very important that

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<v Speaker 25>we understand what is genocide and why this is to

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<v Speaker 25>be recognized as a genocide because in the same way

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<v Speaker 25>as the international community has failed to protect the victims

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01:11:37.920 --> 01:11:42.479
<v Speaker 25>of genocide in the case of the Jewish people in Europe,

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01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:46.359
<v Speaker 25>and then the Bosnians in former Yugoslavia, and then the

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01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:54.439
<v Speaker 25>the Tutsi in Ruanda in the same way we are

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01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:58.239
<v Speaker 25>failing the Palestinians. And I want to express all my

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01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:03.640
<v Speaker 25>respect and solidar with the Palestinian people because it's a

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01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:10.520
<v Speaker 25>torment to be here as a Palestinian and having to

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<v Speaker 25>tell all of us about the genocide that their people

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<v Speaker 25>are experiencing. Because the people is.

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<v Speaker 10>Like a body.

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<v Speaker 25>You chop one arm, you chop one limb, the entire

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01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:25.880
<v Speaker 25>bodies offer and this is what the people is. It's

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<v Speaker 25>something organic and the same thing is the relation between

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<v Speaker 25>the people and the land. For indigenous people, the lend

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01:12:34.640 --> 01:12:39.279
<v Speaker 25>is not the place where they live. The lend is

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<v Speaker 25>who they are.

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<v Speaker 10>And this is why we need to.

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<v Speaker 25>Understand the bigger design behind what's happening in Palestine today.

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<v Speaker 25>On the fourteenth of October, when together with other special rapporteurs,

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<v Speaker 25>we started to denounce to raise the alarm that what

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<v Speaker 25>Israel has art to do might be genocide and there

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<v Speaker 25>was a serious risk of genocide. And then as of

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<v Speaker 25>the November thirty of us I've said a genocide is unfolding.

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<v Speaker 25>I also said on the fourteenth of October, under the

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<v Speaker 25>fog of war, Israel accelerates the force displacement of the Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 25>And I do say that out of the scholarship that

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<v Speaker 25>I've produced, because the way I know the question of

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<v Speaker 25>Palestine is through the firs displacement of its people. Since

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<v Speaker 25>even before the State of Israel was was created, Palestinians

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<v Speaker 25>have been kicked out of their land amid the destruction

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<v Speaker 25>of their villages and everything they had from nineteen forty seven,

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<v Speaker 25>forty nine and in nineteen sixty seven, and it continues,

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<v Speaker 25>and what's happening today it's much more severe because of

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<v Speaker 25>the technology, because of the weaponry, but also because of

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<v Speaker 25>the impunity that has been granted to the State of

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<v Speaker 25>Israel over seven twenty six years. The ubris that has

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<v Speaker 25>led Israel to attack not just the Palestinian people or

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<v Speaker 25>the Lebanese to also and to the lebanesels goes my

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<v Speaker 25>solidarity in this moment. But United Nations this year has

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01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:24.880
<v Speaker 25>also marked an attack against the United Nations physically, symbolically,

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<v Speaker 25>in terms of functions. Israel has damaged in any way,

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<v Speaker 25>bombed and targeted and heat seventy percent of Andrei infrastructure

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<v Speaker 25>in Gaza. It has launched a campaign as mere campaign

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01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:45.359
<v Speaker 25>against against Andra since which intensified a pattern that was

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01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:49.560
<v Speaker 25>already established, and it has skilled two hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 25>UN staff members, colleagues of many of those who work

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01:14:54.439 --> 01:15:00.319
<v Speaker 25>in this institution. And it has targeted the humani tarian

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01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:05.239
<v Speaker 25>capacity of Andra, and it has even targeted UN peacekeepers,

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<v Speaker 25>and it has targeted the UN Secretary General and independent experts,

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<v Speaker 25>and it's very lustrous assembly. No one has been spared,

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01:15:16.399 --> 01:15:19.479
<v Speaker 25>just among the Palestinians and the Libandies, even in the

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01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:22.079
<v Speaker 25>United Nations. And it's because of debt, on top of

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<v Speaker 25>the genocide, and on top of the fifty seven years

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01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:28.800
<v Speaker 25>of a lawful occupation that I say it's time to

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<v Speaker 25>consider suspending the credential of Israel as a member states.

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<v Speaker 25>I understand the sensitivity because none of you is really

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<v Speaker 25>has really clean ends when it comes to human rights.

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<v Speaker 25>That's okay, but no one else has maintained an unlawful occupation,

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01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:52.800
<v Speaker 25>violating decades of UN Security Council, General Assembly, Human Rights Counsel,

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01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:57.680
<v Speaker 25>International Court of Justice decision and resolutions. As Israel has

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<v Speaker 25>done enough enough. And the last point genocide. While this

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<v Speaker 25>is genocide, genocide is a very insidious crime. It's a process,

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01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:11.359
<v Speaker 25>it's not an act. And there is a significant jurisprudence,

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01:16:11.399 --> 01:16:22.000
<v Speaker 25>but still incipient jurisprudence, thankfully. And the critical element to

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<v Speaker 25>the termine genocide is the intent behind the acts of

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01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:32.800
<v Speaker 25>keeling an infliction harm and creating conditions of life leading

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<v Speaker 25>to the destruction of a group. As such, there is

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<v Speaker 25>the intent and the discussion I hear, including from scholars, well,

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<v Speaker 25>it's difficult to prove the intent. The intent is not

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01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:49.399
<v Speaker 25>a motive, it's a different thing. It's intent is the

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01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:55.680
<v Speaker 25>determination to destroy through criminal acts. Motives can vary. One

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01:16:55.800 --> 01:17:01.159
<v Speaker 25>can commit to genocide because of what the developed to will,

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01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:04.399
<v Speaker 25>the determination to commit genocide to stay in power, or

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<v Speaker 25>to liberate the hostages, or to commit other crimes. But

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<v Speaker 25>the moment there is the determination to destroy, that the

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01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:16.600
<v Speaker 25>intent of genocide is formed, then you don't even need

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01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:20.680
<v Speaker 25>to have genocide unfolding to intervene. We have already failed

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01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:24.399
<v Speaker 25>the Palestinians. Genocide has already been committed. But we need

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<v Speaker 25>to first of all intervene, stop and punish the perpetrators,

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<v Speaker 25>and then to stop it because it's expanding to the

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<v Speaker 25>spankan is Jerusalem. No one, no Palestinians is safe under

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01:17:36.039 --> 01:17:39.239
<v Speaker 25>Israeli rule. And the other element and with this, I

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01:17:39.279 --> 01:17:46.159
<v Speaker 25>will conclude what is critical is the responsibility of the state.

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<v Speaker 25>We cannot apply the same threshold for alleged perpetrators, so

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01:17:53.239 --> 01:17:55.640
<v Speaker 25>criminal responsibility.

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<v Speaker 24>To a state.

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<v Speaker 25>Otherwise, if we have to guardan look at the paradox,

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<v Speaker 25>preventing genocide would be an impossible mission. If we have

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<v Speaker 25>to wait until the guarantees that a fair trial afford

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<v Speaker 25>to alleged perpetrators are satisfied, we will never prevent genocide.

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<v Speaker 25>But here the responsibility of a state is evident, especially

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01:18:20.119 --> 01:18:23.760
<v Speaker 25>especially in a self proclaimed the rule of law system

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01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:27.000
<v Speaker 25>which has checks and balances. It's not just the executive,

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01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:30.439
<v Speaker 25>it's the parliament and the judiciary. What have these bodies

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<v Speaker 25>done in Israel to prevent genocide?

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<v Speaker 10>Nothing?

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<v Speaker 25>Not only this is not the result of action of

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01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:43.520
<v Speaker 25>some members of the government. This is a collective responsibility

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01:18:43.600 --> 01:18:46.600
<v Speaker 25>of the State of Israel. And because of that I

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<v Speaker 25>say this is the first settler colonial genocide to be

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01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:54.279
<v Speaker 25>litigated in human history. The cry for justice behind this

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01:18:54.520 --> 01:18:57.039
<v Speaker 25>case will resonate across the globe and will make a

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<v Speaker 25>difference also for other indigenous people that have never seen

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<v Speaker 25>a day of justice. Thank you very much.

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