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Speaker 2: So, guys. That obviously was a take on the last
lines from the movie The Breakfast Club. The other most
memorable line. Well, we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about
two movies today, one with the line when you grow
up your heart dies and the other that proves that
to be true.
Speaker 1: I am so ready to defend sant Alma's fire. It's
not even funny.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: See, I can't wait to get into it.
Speaker 2: So, as you know, there are movies in our history
as podcasters, there have been movies that I had to
go back and see that I did not see at
the time. Most memorable at this moment, is when we
covered at the beginning of the season Rambo. I watched
First Blood and Rambo for the first time in twenty
twenty five, and like some of the others that I
had watched the I thought I needed to be twelve
or thirteen years old when I saw this watching it
for the first time as a forty nine year old guy.
That's not my bag of tea. And I can confirm
that trend with Saint Almo's Fire. I don't want to
try to hide it. I just Grumpy D.
Speaker 1: Jeff, as Jeff Johnson says, Grumpy D is the best
I'm waiting on a movie that you watch at fifty
and go, ah, man, that was awesome. I can't believe
I missed that.
Speaker 2: So honestly, Peewee's Biggot Adventure I liked it. I like
Pee Wee's Big Adventure Commando. I thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 1: I love coming Okay, Okay, so.
Speaker 2: They're not all like that, but there there is a
significant portion, especially if you're trying to be kind of serious,
that I'm just like, all.
Speaker 1: Right, we'll get into it later, but I am my
sword is prepared on sant almost fire and for.
Speaker 2: You to fall on, Just hold your Horse, Just get ready.
Speaker 1: But but in fairness to Saint almost Fire, we are
talking about it probably an unfair matchup in that The
Breakfast Club might be the greatest teen movie of all time.
Speaker 2: So I would say if there was a movie that
defined Generation X, this would be hold the number one spot. Okay,
this movie defined what it was like to be in
high school in the eighties, and Monumental perfectly put together.
Couldn't have done it better.
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll get into the greatness of it. But
it was really put together, super skillfully with talented directors,
actors and storytelling. I mean, everything came together for that movie.
Speaker 2: It really did.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting. You have five people in a room
doing nothing.
Speaker 2: It's the lowest budget kind of scenario that you can
think of. Although I will say this, I was reading,
you know, studying up on John Hughes and he's got
a multitude of scripts that were never produced. Oh my gosh,
I just think about the treasure trove that's out there
and so and then I think about Curly Sue. Yeah, yeah,
I mean you just never know. But one of one
of the films or one of the scripts that he
wrote that people who have read it, and I think
even he regarded as his best work was never made.
It's a movie called Oil and Vinegar. It's a lost script,
like nobody has it that's willing to produce it so far.
Was given to Matthew Broderick, was given to Molly Ringwald.
It's called Oil and Vinegar. And it's about this guy
who's driving cross country to go to his wedding and
he picks up a hitchhiking girl.
Speaker 1: She's in right of a search of a well wedding.
Speaker 2: And it's really the interchange between those two people. Kind
of a coming of age type of thing as well,
very much like the Breakfast Club, but instead of being
five people, it's two people and going through this kind
of weird transition in life, and then you know, ultimately
they're they're stuck there at a hotel at some point
and have to navigate through that as engaged human being
and a pretty young girl. But yeah, that was that
would have been even smaller budget, even closer set type
of thing that I would just I would have loved
to have seen it. I mean, for him to regard
it so highly, for the people who did get to
see it to talk about it in such high regard.
It's just a shame that that thing's gone.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you bring that up, because there's another script.
It's not hidden, but it was never made, and it's
called young Men with Unlimited Capital. Have you come across that?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Okay? That was supposed to star Emilio Estevez and Andrew McCarthy. Okay,
right after sant Elmo's Fire, right, But because of this
article that was written in New York magazine, brat Packers
could no longer work with brat Packers. They were kind
of hirable for a moment. It was a big impact
on their care. But that movie was going to be
about two young men entrepreneurial who put together the Woodstock
Music Festival. Oh okay, and they were the you know,
from the perspective of the guys who are the investors.
I mean, I'm like, man that this sounds like really cool.
Speaker 2: This is Johnny One, John Hughes.
Speaker 1: But it was Emilio Estevez and Andrew McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So let's talk about that for a minute,
because you you've got some info on the idea of
the brat pack Because these two movies really I mean
they're the ones that made that term and applied it
to these actors.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Really didn't exist, Like it didn't exist for sixteen Candles,
which came out just before this. It was this movie.
It was Breakfast Club and Seeing almos Fire that really
cast these people in it. Because obviously Rob Low was
definitely in the brat pack group as well and complained
about it pigeonholing him into the parts that he could get.
But give us some intel in that.
Speaker 1: I think it's the story of these two movies.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: To me, it's really interesting the power that this article
wielded over these actors. So you have this guy, his
name's David Blum, and he was going to do a
piece on Emelio Esteves and so he was from out
of town. Emelio invited him, Hey, come out with us.
I'm meeting some of the guys. We'll hang out, we'll
go to dinner. Well, Emeli Estevez invites Rob Low and
jud Nelson to go out to dinner with them, and
this guy basically writes a hatchet job article on them
as being privileged jerk party boys. Huh, Like, think about it.
If you invited me and three other guys out to dinner,
and the guy that you invited proceeded to tear us
down and created this situation where they were radioactive in Hollywood. Yeah,
like they went from it personnel to radioactive overnight because
of this article.
Speaker 2: It's terrible. Like I mean, and I mean obviously I
don't know these people. I don't know Roblo personally, and
I don't know Emelio Estevez personally, but just in the
candid you know, in their real life personas, they seem
like good human beings.
Speaker 1: So I read the article like I went and read
the article. Yeah. The only thing it's I don't think
it's that bad. It's written from a perspective of somebody
who is on the outside looking in. So this was
it was tainted with sort of bitterness and jealousy. Yeah,
I think the guy is a jerk. I think he's
a sour, bitter jerk, a journalist. A journalist. It had
a lot of collateral damage, including guys like Anthony Michael
Hall and Andrew McCarthy who weren't even there that night,
you know. But basically you got these guys who are
twenty two years old and they're running around. Of course,
they're talking to women and drinking too much and they're
rich sprats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's tragic. I mean they're fortunate
enough to have made some money and they're but they're
still twenty two. Like that's right. What most of us
did when we were twenty two was talk to girls
and drink and hang out and try to have as
good a time as you could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so like, think about Ali Sheety, What did
she really do after Saint Almo's fire short circuit? Yeah?
What else?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's some things, there are some there
are some more independent things. I don't think she probably
was trying to be big cast.
Speaker 1: Honestly. I know that she did a film. I can't
remember the name of it.
Speaker 2: Afterwards, but I was listening to the Breakfast Club like
their reunion when they're all back together, and they said,
what movie of somebody else do you love? And Molly
Ringwald mentioned this movie that I hadn't heard of by
Ali Sheety that Ali Sheety was in that I thought
was very sweet. But Ali, I just noticed in that
forum of people, she was the one that stayed quiet
the most, Like it's kind of she's kind of the
character the back in the background character like she was
in the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: Okay, how about jud Nelson. What has he done since then? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Not much?
Speaker 1: Right, it's not Andrew McCarthy, Yeah, not much. I mean
he did do less than zero yeah, which I mean,
you know, which was nineteen eighty seven. That's a post
backpack article.
Speaker 2: Right, But I mean that's it's kind of the part
like he's playing the part of the that's it sounds
like he was written, you know that it was that
braddy privileged drugs and alcohol kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. But you look at so Ameliusves. You know,
he'd had young guns and he had mighty ducks, and
he did a lot of stuff and he's still active.
But compare that to like Roblo, Demi Moore, Robert Danny Junior.
I mean, you know there are guys that came through
that were brat pack adjacent flourished on the other side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they all had they all had a lull.
They all had a lull except for Demi Moore. Demi
Moore kind of she jumped up with I think maybe
in decent proposal, Like that's the first one I remember
in the nineties seeing her in and you know, she'd
had some enhancements done and showed them off in that movie.
And I think that that kind of got her running.
And you know, she married a dude that few people knew,
cal Bruce Willis.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. I think the thing that got her
over the hump, so to speak, is that she graduated
from sort of kiddish not kids but young people movies, yeah,
into more mature movies because she was willing to show
her skin a little bit. All right, well, let's get
into it. Man. Breakfast Club versus Saint Elmo's Fire. Here
we are ground zero for the brat pack.
Speaker 2: So I'm trying. I was trying to think how many
John Hughes movies have we talked about, because at one
point we had done the podcast for something like four years,
and I was like, how do we have an eighties
podcast and not have talked about John Hughes. But now
we've knocked a few out. So we've done Regular Vacation,
We've done Christmas Vacation, yep, We've done Home Alone, We've
done Weird Science. Weird Science was earlier this year, right, Okay,
So that's that's four. So this is our fifth John
Hughes movie to talk about it. That's right, yep, okay,
and yes, go ahead?
Speaker 1: May I add, yeah, we have on the schedule Ferris
Buelers day off for next season. Yeah? Really, how can
you not do an eighties podcast to talk about Farisbeel'
day off?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 1: And then we've got pretty imp versus some kind of
wonderful Yeah, on the schedule.
Speaker 2: I would love at some point for us to do
plane strains and automobile veils versus Uncle Buck. Probably, I
love it. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, we can do
all the John Hughes movies.
Speaker 1: I don't sixteen Candles.
Speaker 2: I will do Curly Sue. I don't care. So I
think that I've talked about this before, but I'll just
I'll do a short bit on John Hughes history. Right, So,
grew up moving from place to place, you know, just
when he felt like he would make friends, his dad
would move them to some new place. And then high school.
He starts high school in Chicago for the first time
in Chicago, kind of a nerdy kid, but he manages
to get a cheerleader.
Speaker 1: I looked at her picture. She's pretty cute, she's intractive, Lenny.
Speaker 2: She so they move and he gets a job doing
advertising work. He's writing jokes for Rodney Dangerfield and Joan Rivers, right,
and then he gets a job that's he's doing that
copyright work. Doing the copy work, he comes up with
the and you and I both need this right now, right,
we got the winter facial hair going on. But you remember,
back in the day, they had the shaving commercial where
the guy would rub the credit card and it was
like yeah, and it was smooth. That was John Hughes's creation.
But he also he had Virginia Slims in his account,
which led him to their building, which also was the
same building that National Lampoon was in, and so he
met those guys. He started writing stuff for them that
of course spirals into The first swing was a miss.
It was a National Lampoon's class reunion. They tried to
do a redo of the.
Speaker 1: I saw that movie yeah way back when. Yeah, and
I remember I was way too young to be watching it,
but I remember thinking, this movie is appalling. It was naughty,
but it was also like gross.
Speaker 2: Okay, so okay, So that one swinging a mess. But
then we do National Lampoon Vacation and he knocks it
out of the Park and then he follows that up
with Mister Mom another one we've been talking about. We've
been talking about doing that movie for like four years now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally since season one.
Speaker 2: But those two movies get him a three picture deal
with Universal and the first movie that he is going
to make is Breakfast Club. And then it has a
July fourth weekend as he's prepping to make Breakfast Club,
and he decides to write a movie called sixteen Candles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a weekend.
Speaker 2: I know, I can't believe this. They forgot my birthday and.
Speaker 1: I is prolific writer.
Speaker 2: Yes, And so he comes to Universal and he's like, okay,
I got my second movie. Here it is. It's called
sixteen Candles. They read it and they say, we want
to do this one first. I'm not so sure about
this kids and detention all day long thing. This is
a you know, sexy, raunchy, funny kids in high school thing.
And they think this is going to work and it does.
Obviously it works.
Speaker 1: It does. Now here's the thing.
Speaker 2: So he's finishing that as their beginning Breakfast Club. Okay,
So they come in for their read like everybody's been cast,
and they come in for their first table read. Well,
Milisteves didn't know that they were supposed to come in
for a table read, and he had his wisdom to
taken out, like all four of them impacted wisdom teeth
taken out the day before.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: So like he's home, I don't know you do you
have your wisdom tee thinking out?
Speaker 1: I did. It's not pleasant. I barfed in a parking
lot on the way home, and you don't feel good
for a couple of days after that. Yeah, it was terrible.
Speaker 2: And so he's on pain meds. He's suffering from all
four of these things coming out, and he gets a
call from his agent and they're like, hey, you got
to go over and do the table read. He's like, oh,
I just had my wisdom. So he's he goes over.
He he slugs through the table read, and then John
Hughes is like, I finally got the final cut of
sixteen Candles. You guys, come on, we're gonna go watch it.
And so Amelia Estevez says, I remember seeing the opening
credits and I closed my eyes and then I opened
my eyes and there was the closing credits, and Jen
Nelson nudges him. He goes I think he just got fired.
Speaker 1: Hey, how come Andrew gets to go to sleep and
Andrew goes We'll all go to sleep. It'd be anarchy.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 1: I did have a great quote from John Hughes, okay,
and he was talking about how he went from the writer,
like the screenwriter for Mister Mom and Vacation. You know
we talked. Vacation was directed by Harold Remis, right, So
he talked to I don't know which director he talked to,
but that director told him, if they fire you, we
make the movie. If they fire me, we don't make
the movie. And he's like, good information. That's why he
wanted to be a director so bad exactly.
Speaker 2: That's that's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: So Breakfast Club, you've got these five main characters, I mean,
you get two extra characters, okay. And I know that
we're going to talk about casting here in a minute,
so I'm trying not to jump in. But Ali and
Emelia and jud were the only ones that were like
old enough to go out, like okay, Like Molly and
Anthony Michael Hall were both teenagers.
Speaker 1: They were like sixteen, you're sixteen years old.
Speaker 2: They were doing school during the day while they're filming
and not doing things at night because they're not old enough.
So I know that Amelia and Judd tried to go
out one night. I think they had. It was a
failed attempt, Like they went to bar after bar and
people were just like not interested in not they were
not the brat pack.
Speaker 1: Yet, right right, well, interestingly enough, the article the brat
Pack article, the guy made mention that Judd would become
very impatient at the club. So like, Okay, he's dancing,
nobody comes up to him. This place sucks.
Speaker 2: We're out of here, yes, so yeah, so, and apparently
Ali just stayed in her room. She was old enough
to go out, but she's like, I'm good. She just
she very much seems to be her her character.
Speaker 1: She seems like the type of person who is happy
to crawl up with a book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, be fine, Maybe not the type of person to
make love in the shower on a coffin with her
pearls still on for five scenes.
Speaker 1: I told you we'll get to it. That was the
most unsexy love making scene that I can remember.
Speaker 2: Okay, eighties, so let's just talk about it now, Okay, Yeah,
because you told me that, and then I watched it
for the first time, and and I warned the person
that I was with, I'm like, this is coming, just
be ready for it. And we watched it and we're like, well,
she still got a pearls on, and she still got
a pearls on, and there they are still on, Like
I just have to think those are gonna either come off,
fall off, or be torn off at some point in
that process. But they were not pearls hold it. But
it wasn't awful. It wasn't awful. It was just kind of.
Speaker 1: Well, it seemed like they were directed like Andrew McCarthy, Yeah, okay,
attack her like a linebacker. I'm like, dude, it's.
Speaker 2: As though the guy giving them direction was unfamiliar with
what heterosexual sex was.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: That's a fair point. That's a fair point. I will
say this though, in.
Speaker 2: Hey, Andrew, I've got a costume for you. It's got
the nipples right on it.
Speaker 1: We have talked about Joel Schumacher already, go back to
our Batman and Robin and.
Speaker 2: And the Lost Boys Lost Boys then, okay, so let's
keep talking about this. So we got Joel Schumacher for
Saint Almo. Spider wrote and directed, Yes, that movie yes,
and yes, we have talked about him before. As a reminder,
he was doing window dressings in some department store and
Woody Allen saw his department store and said, I want
you to come do costumes from a movie. And that's
how he gets into the entertainment industry. Does car Wash,
does The Incredible Shrinking Woman, and then that somehow spirals
into The Lost Boys and well, this movie.
Speaker 1: It is amazing when you say that out loud to me,
he was decorating windows at a department store and later
is in charge of the bat Man franchise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, But I told you,
I'm like, I feel like he's a home run or
strikeout guy, Like he doesn't have very.
Speaker 1: Many And we started to go through the list, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, this movie isn't a strikeout at
the time, but I don't feel I mean, i'd say
with confidence it does not stand the test of time.
Like there may be people who fell in love with
it back then who watch it and they're and they're like,
oh yes, and they have the memories and it's all
good again. But I'm telling you, anybody who's didn't see
this back in nineteen in the nineteen eighties, who then
comes across it later on is going to be like,
this is horrible.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is horrible. Let me just I'm just mounting
my first line of defense here, okay, because I will
argue number one, this is a touchdown movie in the
nineteen eighties. Okay. And granted, my perspective is different because
I saw it one hundred times when I was twelve
years old, and so it was aspirational for me to
eventually go to college and fall in love with somebody
and get like start chasing a career and doing things
with my life and becoming who I'm supposed to be. Yeah,
you saw it after all that stuff had happened. Yeah, Okay,
so it is a different perspective. Yeah, but I'm here
to tell you Saint AMA's Fire, I believe gave birth
to one of the most popular television shows of all time. Okay, Okay, Yes,
now I can't make a direct line to this, Okay,
but is my thought that even maybe subliminally this created
the TV show Friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I could see that. I mean, I can't
I can see that. I mean because you essentially, I mean,
it's it's four girls and three guys in the movie
instead of three girls and three guys. But it's that
same kind of where we've we've just arrived to adulthood.
We're just trying to figure out how to be grown
ups instead of being kids again. I can see that. Okay,
I think that's fair. I think that's right. I don't
know if you're right or not, but I think that's
a fair guess.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Joel Schumacher makes this thing, and it's a
polarizing movie, like even the critics are they love it
or they hate it, right, but the populace at large
loves it.
Speaker 1: So once again, because I remember that summer of eighty five,
the music video for this for Saint Almost Fire or
Man Emotion, John Parr was on every third time on MTV.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm gonna push pause on what you're saying
for just a second. Okay, everybody, So, in our normal episodes,
if there's an iconic song, we're going to talk about
that song during an episode. And in this particular scenario,
we have two movies that each have an iconic song.
But as it turns out, we have already covered both
of those songs, and we've covered them on our Patreon page.
So teaser here. If you want to hear the full
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You could sign up for one month. Past five bucks.
You have both these epiods two fifteen episode, Can't beat That.
Couldn't even rent these movies back in nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's right.
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dot com Slash Surely podcast and you can hear the
Man in Motion one. You can hear the Don't You
Forget About Me? I'm pointing because you did that one.
I did that one. Yep. Also, guys, just open the
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until I couldn't fight anymore. I waved the white flag
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So we've got a Shopify page. We'll put the link
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We've got him in both varying colors.
Speaker 1: I want to say it.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Chris Weber, one of our longtime fans
and Patreon members. He asked for one in blue. I said, Okay,
I can make that happen. We made one in blue,
and I'm like, dang, that's better than the black and
the white. I think we've got him in blue. We've
got him in white, maybe a couple other color colors
out there.
Speaker 1: We've got sweatshirts that you can get.
Speaker 2: I shameless plug put my band T shirt on there,
so if you want an std T shirt, you definitely
can get one there as well. We've already sold a
boatload of those. Actually, that was pretty quick sale.
Speaker 1: Yeah to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah anyway, hey.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait yeah, before you move on, First of all,
today is Chris Weber's birthday. Chris, Happy birthday, A buddy birthday, Chris. Also,
this is totally true. You can get a Shirley can't
be serious two piece black bikini for your you know,
stocking stuffer. Hey, you know, for your loved one. Get
them now.
Speaker 2: It's winter, it's not season, it's they're cheap and they
look good.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want guys to pay attention to you,
Shirley can't be serious.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. Your wife puts on the Shirley can't
be serious bikini. You guys might not make it to
the beach.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Back on Joel Schumacher for just a second.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go through his entire career. But
you were talking about whether or not it's either a
home run or strikeout, right, and so we were I
was just kind of looking at him, you know. DC
Cab was kind of a you know, I had mister
t I wanted to like it has.
Speaker 2: Bill Maher in it. As a little kid, I liked it, Okay,
I mean it was but it was one of those
ones that was it was on HBO or something or
whatever a lot. So it was just like to me,
just funny. I just was too young to understand what
good movies were.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Incredible Shrinking Woman?
Speaker 2: I loved it, and it would come on all the time.
I mean it would come on like ABC all the time.
Speaker 1: I love that movie too.
Speaker 2: I would watch it again right now. I would watch
The Incredible Shrinking Woman every day and twice on Sunday
before I ever watched at Almost fire Kid.
Speaker 1: Wow, I love I love incredible shrinking woman. Lily Tomlin
was super funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's great. Okay.
Speaker 1: The Lost Boys, Yeah, Home Run right for sure, best
vampire movie of the eighties. I agree, Yeah, okay, Yeah.
Then you have the movie like Falling Down.
Speaker 2: Great movie.
Speaker 1: It's fun, right, It's not really fun, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but I mean iconic like that was
it was changing at that point. Yes, it was a
major thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Flat Liners, I loved it back.
Speaker 2: In the day. I don't know if it's still good.
It's been thirty something years since I've seen it.
Speaker 1: But I will put this out there that Joel Schumacher,
for every two good things he does, is kind of
one drawback. Okay, So like flat Liners, you're like, wow,
this is an interesting story and these people suck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, so you yeah, you kind of
mentioned that they're all flawed characters, right, And he talks
about in this movie he wrote this movie, he based
it on his circle of friends, you know and I
And at some point one of the record or one
of the studio executives reading the script said, this is
the most loathsome group of people I've ever read in
my life. Yeah, those are my best friends, right, so
that that does make it kind of awkward. Yeah, so
I'm sorry. I got to just I just had an
inspiration flat Liners. Yeah, tell a story and then we'll
bring it back to flat Liners, all right. So we
also have talked I think season one or season two
we did Bulderham versus Major, Yes, we did. Did you
know that Anthony Michael Hall was supposed to play Nucleue
and he he says, I ift that up. I was
a cocky kid and I messed that part. I messed
getting that part up.
Speaker 1: Ron Shelton couldn't stand him, right, and that's what Yeah,
so as Tim Robbins got that part, of course, and
then he later did a movie called Jacob's Ladder.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that movie?
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: I really feel like Flatliners and Jacob's Ladder might be
the perfect matchup. Like, I don't want to give away
the ending to Jacob's Ladder for anybody who hasn't seen it,
but it's kind of the same idea of what happens.
Speaker 1: When you're dead. Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting thought. I
like it, Okay, I like it.
Speaker 2: Let's put a pin in that, Okay.
Speaker 1: Uh So Schumacher also does a couple of pretty good
John Grissom movies, right. He does The Client, which is
pretty good, and he does a Time to Kill which
I thought was very good, right.
Speaker 2: And Matthew McConaughey breakout movie absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then of course he does Batman Forever and Batman.
Speaker 2: And Robin Yeah, both very bad, very bad. There are
several other bad, bad movies and what he's done too,
but I don't need to bring those up.
Speaker 1: Batman Forever, I would argue, has things in common with
sant Elmo's Fire.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: You have charismatic people, you have a couple of great songs,
music videos, and a whole lot of flash, but just
not tons of substance. Yeah, but I didn't know any better,
and I thought they were great.
Speaker 2: Yeah at the time I could see that. Speaking of
Batman Forever, please go check out the thirty somethingter movie podcast.
They just covered Batman Forever and it was hysterical.
Speaker 1: It was It was really good.
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, so we understand how these two movies came
to be both written and directed by well known.
Speaker 1: Very very successful writers and directors of the eighties.
Speaker 2: Yes, but let's talk about casting because it's huge for
these Okay, yeah, let's start with Breakfast Club. Of course,
Molly Ringwall and Anthony Michael Hall did not have to audition.
Speaker 1: Well because they got the job while they were working
on Sixteen Candles. Yeah, so there's some interesting things here.
So Molly Ringwald became John Hughes's go to girl until
she wasn't.
Speaker 4: You know, I have just as many feelings as you do,
and it hurts just as much when somebody steps all
over them.
Speaker 1: We had sixteen Candles.
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club, Breakfast Club, pretty pretty and pink, and then and.
Speaker 1: Then she kind of laid down the law and said
I'm breaking away and doing my own thing, and that
really hurt his feelings.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean Anthony Michael is the exact same thing.
Various Bueller's day off was supposed to be Anthony Michael Hall,
and he was like, no, I'm going to go do
out of Bounds.
Speaker 1: I know, and I've I've done a podcast on out
of Bounds with Jeff Johnson. Go over to the Film
by podcast check that out. I mean he's not good.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, Anthony Michael Hall poke back. Okay, he had done
Vacation fourteen. He's amazing. He's very funny. Yeah, I mean
he holds his own with Chevy Chase. He does uh
and then of course he does sixteen Candles and he
steals the show in Sea sixteen. Farmer Ted, I'm not
really a farmer a freshman right, yeah, okay. John Hughes said,
if Anthony didn't do Breakfast Club, I wouldn't have made it. Wow,
how strong is that?
Speaker 2: That's very strong? Now, it's interesting because of of those characters,
he to me is.
Speaker 1: Kind of the back.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're picking, you know there, it's it's
really about all five of them. But he's kind of
the background guy. To me, he's kind of the glue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's just it's it's not farmer Ted at all. Right,
Farmer Ted's very out there, kind of right front. Yeah yeah, okay,
so he plays. Also we should say he's the brain.
Speaker 4: What do you need to fake ID for so I
can vote m He's.
Speaker 1: The guy who writes the letter to mister Vernon. Also,
do you remember his crime for a detention?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we probably need to talk about their quote
unquote school sins. Okay, he brings a flarira gun to
school because he failed a shop project.
Speaker 2: Kind of idiot. Doesn't know how to make a lamp.
Speaker 1: What do you know about trigonometry with that?
Speaker 2: Trigonometry wouldn't have bridges bridges without lamps, we wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: Like stupid elephant trunk. So did you know at the
beginning of the movie when he pulls up to the
school and you have the mom and the sister there
and mom's reaming him out, saying, mister, you find a
way to study. That's his actual mother. Did not know
that until you told me yesterday. Her name is Mercedes Hall. Okay,
his sister it's that little girl, Mary Christian.
Speaker 2: It's her name, Mary Christian.
Speaker 1: Hall's winning. Yeah. John Hughes thought, what better way to
get the authentic mother son, yeah than to have actual
mother and son.
Speaker 2: And then the dad picks him up at the end
of the movie, and the dad is John Jones. Love it, Yeah, Okay,
perfect nerd dad. You know he's got those kind of
circle glasses.
Speaker 1: Big big glasses. He does rock the mullet. I love
his rocking mullet.
Speaker 2: Man yeah, okay, it's like a guy who's trying real hard.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Molly Ringwalk.
Speaker 4: Oh how popular I am.
Speaker 1: I'm so popular. Everybody loves me so much with this
store for baby.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So she had been the star of sixteen Candles. I
don't know if you know this not. She had been
in Facts of Life.
Speaker 2: I do remember that. Yeah, she was young, one of
the younger girls and Facts of Life. I didn't think
about it until you just said it, But now that
you say it, yeah, I remember that. She had the
very like I don't remember, mushroom kind of haircut.
Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting to think what would have happened
if Blair or Joe or Tuty had had kind of
slid into that role, you know what I mean, which
obviously it was possible, you know, Mollie field that spot.
So she stars as Samantha in sixteen Candles. John Hughes
falls in love with her and says, you're my girl, right.
So that's so he had her and him in his
back pocket going in. Ali Sheety had done wargames, which
we had talked about.
Speaker 4: Your heart dies, Who cares.
Speaker 1: I care?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Ali Sheety did war games. She did a movie called
Bad Boys, which starred Sean penn Uh And she had
also been in Oxford Blues, which had Rob Low, So
you kind of have some early brat pack stuff going
on there. Oka and John Hughes brings her in and
she's going to be the outcast, the weirdo, the basket.
Speaker 2: Case, he said, or she said. When he brought her in,
he didn't have her read. He just talked to her
like just and I imagine he probably did this with
most of them, but just talked to her about the
character and some ideas and they exchange and you know,
she she gave him her thoughts and that was how
she got cast. Never read a line and got cast.
I'm not sure if the Blogey throw was her idea.
Speaker 1: The dandriff on the drawing, by the way, you know
what she claims is her biggest contribution to the Breakfast Club,
like her proudest moment in The Breakfast Club, the David
Bowie quote at the beginning of the movie where it
comes directly from the song changes. Yeah, that was Ali.
She's idea.
Speaker 3: And these children that juice is on mistake, try to
change their world. Our rebune to your consultation is it
quite aware what they're going through.
Speaker 1: Wow, she's like, that is my proudest thing associated with
Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's wonderful. No, that's really good.
Speaker 1: I would be this. I would feel the same way.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic, right, And.
Speaker 1: Just while we're on it. So you have the David
Bowie quote at the beginning of the movie, and then
you have the exploding glass and then it's Saturday morning,
March twenty third, nineteen eighty four or whatever. You have
a really cool setup for the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would argue that Saint Elmo's Fire has an incredible
beginning of the movie as well. So you have the
love theme. You have these seven friends, they're all wearing
their cap and gown. They're graduating, they're happy, they are
just thrilled to be there. And then you hear the
sound of a car crash, like gosh, and then they're
running into the emergency room. Yeah. Both of these movies
are set up right off the bat. You already know
what's going on where we are. One's gonna take place
in the school, the other one is.
Speaker 2: A car crash.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get into it.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Amelius of us.
Speaker 3: Okay, you and me two hits a hitting you hitting
the floor anytime you're ready to pal.
Speaker 1: Of course we know him. We've talked about him a
lot on the Young Guns episode we did. We did
Young Guns, Young Guns two and Tombstone right kind of
a three way. By the way, just for the record,
he was made to be Billy the kid.
Speaker 2: I know that they're this year have been involved in
filming in New Mexico for Gun three.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Whatever, it's not young anymore. The young is all shot up.
But Guns three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what else? They're also doing sat Almost
Fire two? Are they You didn't know that I did not. Yes,
they are actively pursuing sat Alma's Fire part two.
Speaker 2: So emelis are they all dead because that's where it
looked like it was headed.
Speaker 1: No, but that just as a side The Brats documentary
that I Want was directed by Andrew McCarthy, and one
of the cool things is he's reaching out to all
these people trying to talk to him, and he talks
to He talks to Ali Sheety, he talks to Ameliostavez,
he talks to David Blum, the guy who wrote the article.
He talks to Malcolm Gladwell, Like he goes to all
these interesting people, but the one guy he can't track down,
Mally Ringwall, turns him down. She you know, I wish
she wouldn't have I would have loved to have heard
from her. The one guy he can't track down is
jud Like Judd Nelson is impossible to get a hold of,
Like he doesn't know, he didn't have his number, his agent,
like they can't reach him. And the last literally the
last scene after he's met with you know, Amelia and
Ali and Rob Low and Demi Moore and he sits
down with the author and he kind of makes peace
with the guy who wrote the article. The very last
scene of the documentary, his phone rings. After all this
is over the phone rings. He goes hello, yes Judd,
and it goes it crashes in don't you Forget about Me?
Is so good?
Speaker 2: That's great?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so I've got a funny story with Emiliatves. Okay.
So he had done Repoman, He of course had done
The Outsiders. He had done Texts which.
Speaker 2: My sister in law was on the back of a
motorcycle with him in that movie.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, so a strong sy Hinton background there,
And of course we've talked about The Outsiders and Rumblefish.
Those are both kind of brat pack adjacent movies. Sure,
And so Emiliu Estavez's dad, Martin Sheen, I thought this
was funny. John Capellos, who plays the Jannit, he plays
Carl in Breakfast Club, he was trying to break the
ice with the young actors one day and he was
telling him, hey, guys, listen, this isn't rocket science. There's
no need to get too uptight about this stuff. In fact,
one dumb actor, Martin Sheen, got so into Apocalypse Now
he had in a heart attack. And Emilio was like
livid about that comment, of course, and like John Capella's
is still talking about to this day, he is like,
oh my god, I can't believe I said that. That
was so stupid. I had no idea that that was
his son, and so Emilio really was really really bad
at him. Well, John Capellis worked with Martin Sheen, I think,
on The West Wing years years later, and he told
Martin Sheen that story, and Martin thought it was hilarious.
So I thought that I thought that was a great story.
Speaker 2: It is, that's a very good story. Yes, by the way,
he was What was the actor's name, John Capella's. John
Capello's was the oily bohunk fiance groom maddied in Sixteen Candles.
Speaker 1: He was, he was. He also plays kind of the
sleazy guy in Roxanne, which is another movie I like.
And he's and he's one of the guys in the
bar in Weird Science. He's like the pimp. He is,
he is. What are you doing with him? But like this,
I guess she's that's it. Judd Nelson was the last
guy hired.
Speaker 4: Any questions, Yeah, I got a question.
Speaker 3: Does Barry Man alone know that you rate his wardrobe?
Speaker 1: Okay, now here's the interesting thing. So Emelia Stevez was
originally supposed to be Bender. Stop and think about that
for a second. That doesn't fit at all.
Speaker 2: It doesn't.
Speaker 1: So they bring in Judd Nelson, who had been in
a eighties kind of a B movie called Making the Grade.
Did you ever see that one? Okay, not a great movie.
Bring him in, but he has a level of menace
to him. I feel like he's violent in some ways,
you know. Yeah, And he stayed in character so much so.
Molly Ringwald's mom had to get involved and went to
John Houghs and said, this guy will not leave my
daughter alone. He's making inappropriate comments to her. He's twenty
five years old, she's sixteen.
Speaker 2: Let me see a picture guy with elephant Titus of
the nuts. It's pretty tasty.
Speaker 4: No, thank you.
Speaker 2: How do you think he rides a bike?
Speaker 4: Oh Claire?
Speaker 2: Would you ever consider dating.
Speaker 3: A guy like this?
Speaker 2: Can?
Speaker 4: She's leaving me alone, even if he had a great personality,
was a good dancer and had a cool car, although
you probably have to.
Speaker 1: Ride in the backseat because his nuts would ride shotgun
And so John Hughes is like, he's gone, I got
I'm firing his butt. That's bull crap. I can't have
him abusing our lead actress. Paul Gleeson, the guy who
plays mister Vernon, says, no, you can't. This guy has
got this character down so well, and he's a young
guy just telling me back off. You cannot let this
guy go. He's way too important. And of course Paul
Gleeson and John Bender, they're back and forth. Is the
crux of the movie.
Speaker 2: What was that.
Speaker 4: Eat my shorts?
Speaker 1: You just bought yourself another Saturday mister Oh crushed. You
just bought one more right there? Well on free the
Saturday after that. Beyond that, I'm gonna have to check
my calendar. Good because it's.
Speaker 3: Going to be filled.
Speaker 2: We'll keep going.
Speaker 1: Do you want another one?
Speaker 2: Say the word?
Speaker 1: Just say the word instead of going to prison, You'll
come here.
Speaker 2: Are you true?
Speaker 1: No, I'm doing society a favor.
Speaker 2: So that's another one.
Speaker 3: Right now, I've got you for the rest of your
natural born life.
Speaker 2: If you don't watch a step you.
Speaker 1: Want another one?
Speaker 2: Yes, you got it.
Speaker 1: You got another one right there.
Speaker 4: That's another one, Pal hang out.
Speaker 1: He was dis close to firing. That's Jed Nelson.
Speaker 2: That's great, And apparently Jed Nelson would also antagonize Paul
Gleeson throughout the movie. Well, sure, so, do you know
the story behind how Paul Gleeson got hired?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 2: Okay, So we talked about.
Speaker 1: In Trading Places.
Speaker 2: Yes, we talked about Paul Leeson in Trading Places. Yeah,
But we also talked about Anthony Michael Hall. We were
talking about weird science. We talked about how he had
been like John Hughes was so like they were so
tight that when they did sixteen Candles, He's like, okay, well, like,
you know, I've got these guys as potential best friends.
Who do you want? So he picked the best friend.
So he picked John Cusack. He is, He's responsible for
John Cusack's first real role.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: So anyway, he's like, he's got this script. They're working
on it. Anthony Michael Hall loves Eddie Murphy. He goes
and watches Trading Places, gets done with it, and he
goes to John Hughes and he's like, you got to
see this movie. The guy they had originally planned to
play vice principal whatever name, Vernon, thank you, was coach
from Cheers. That was yes, I mean how wrong would
that have been?
Speaker 1: Right? Oh way? And so that was the plan.
Speaker 2: But then Anthony Michael Hall says to John Hughes, you
got to go watch Trading Places. I think there's a
guy in it who would be a much better Vernon.
And that's how Paul Gleeson gets that part. Now Paul
Gleeson and Nathan Michael Hall become friends after this. A
couple of years later, they go watch the Tyson Reggie
Gross fight that like he knocked him out the first
round of course, you know, and he's and Anthony Michael
Hall is watching, you know, watching the fight. He's you know,
he's still a teenager, I think at this point, right
and super excited, and all of a sudden, Mike's you know,
walking out of the ring, and Mike's like, you're my
favorite actor.
Speaker 1: And he says they become friends.
Speaker 2: They like, they wang out. They they still text each other.
You know, they've gone on a double date before. It's
Anthony Michael and Mike Tyson are our buddies. That is
crazy because Paul Gleeson, who knows Anthony Michael Hall because
he got him the part in Breakfast Club, took him
to watch the Tyson fight.
Speaker 1: So I looked into Paul Gleeson a little bit. We've
talked about him. He was in Trading Places, and of
course he's in Die Hard Detective Dwayne Robinson, Dwaine T. Robinson.
I'm not the one who just got it, but wee.
So he is awesome in these movies as being kind
of the lovable, hateable guy. You know, he was a
professional baseball player. Oh I can actually see that in
the Cleveland Indians organization. Oh wow, okay, Like and I looked, man,
he was a jock expected more from a versity letterman.
Speaker 2: Okay, Berry Man alone, No, you rate his wardrobe?
Speaker 1: Give me the answer to that question, mister bitter. Next Saturday,
don't mess with the bull, young man. You get the horns.
All right, I've got some alternate universe stuff for you.
Speaker 2: Okay, we all everybody loves the Colvin alternate universe stories.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, here's your alternate John Binder. Okay. These
are actors who almost got this part. And we talked
about Emilio Westavez. I don't think he would be right
for it. He's not imposing enough. He's five six, on that,
on that, on height.
Speaker 2: Judd Nelson talked about how this not only was the
perfect movie for its time, they filmed it at the
perfect time because at the beginning of the movie he
was big enough to be an actual threat to Anthony
Michael Hall. By the time the movie was over, Anthony
Michael Hall was the same height as him. By the
time they were back in doing their dub line read ends,
he was taller. And then of course, you know, Edward
Scissorhands comes out and he's the jock, you know, But yeah,
but yes, Anthony Michael Hall grew of like solid six
inches during the production of The Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so here's your alternate venders. Yeah, Nick Cage.
Maybe he's kooky enough he might be able to pull
it off. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean he had done Valley Girl at that point,
so Rubblefish maybe. Yeah, let's not talk about that one. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: But the other one, the big one, John Cusack, like
he was literally like he thought he had it and
they came to him, like Judd Nelson comes in the
last second. Yeah, he acts like a jerk in the audition.
He pisses everybody off in the audition. You know he's
got He comes in, he's wearing the flannel and the
jean jacket and the boots and yeah, he's doing the
whole thing, and he rubs everybody the wrong way. And
then they realize, well, that's who this guy is, right.
So the casting director went to John Cusack, who up
to that point had done Sixteen Candles and Maybe Better
Off Dad, which we talked about earlier this year. Yeah,
neither one of those. Is he tough? Now he's a
kickbox we know he's a kickboxer in real life. But
went to him and said, sorry, we went in a
different direction, and they said, but we got you a
plane ticket home. He's like, and he stomped out. Was mad,
you know, really really mad because he thought he had it. Yeah.
Can you see Bender and John Cusack. I think Judd
Nelson nails this part. So you you mentioned that he
wore the clothes in like and those were fingerless gloves.
Speaker 2: Those were his clothes. He said, his mom would constantly
when he was walking out of the house. You'd be like,
you tucking your shirt, shoes please? And then of course
his look, I mean inspired, So everybody started trying to
dress like that because everybody wanted to be John Bender.
After that movie came out and she's like, oh great,
you just started a fad of sloppiness.
Speaker 1: Is it fair to say that his costume influenced the grunge?
Speaker 2: You bet?
Speaker 1: Okay, I think so too, you bet. I mean, look
at Eddie Vedder in ninety one. Yeah, does he look
like John Bender? Yes? He does? He does.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: By the way, another person that they had in mind,
possibly Alan Ruck Cameron from Farri Speeler's Day Off. No, No,
I'm gonna say no to that one as well. Okay,
all right, he wasn't even tough as a cowboy.
Speaker 2: In Young Cuts. Yeah right, he just was nerdy.
Speaker 1: You dig my farm mists? Okay, the possible alternate to
John Capello's Carl who I think he does a great job.
Speaker 4: Sure, How does one become a janitor?
Speaker 1: Do you want to be a janitor?
Speaker 4: No? I just want to know how one becomes a janitor,
because Andrew here is very interested in pursuing a career
in the custodio arts. Oh really, do you guys think
I'm just something untouchable peasant, sir pion?
Speaker 2: You know? Maybe so falling a broom around after heads
like you for the last eight years, I've learned a
couple of things. I look through your letters, look through
your lockers. I listened to your conversations. You don't know that,
but I do.
Speaker 3: I am the eyes and ears of this institution, my friends.
Speaker 4: By the way, that clock's twenty minutes fast?
Speaker 1: Is Rick moranis too big?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's too big an actor.
Speaker 1: He wasn't the right fit. Yeah. Remember in Ghostbusters, Rick
Moranis's character Lewis Sully had been originally played by John camp.
Speaker 2: Right right, Well, offered Candy got offered the party.
Speaker 1: They wanted him to do it, and he wanted to
do it with like a heavy German accent, and they're like, no, no,
not interested, And so he said, bring in my buddy,
Rick moranis. Well in this movie, they wanted Rick moranis
who wanted to do the janitor job as a Russian
immigrant and do a heavy Russian accent, and they went, Now,
John Cappella's.
Speaker 2: Subtle genius in this one. He really is.
Speaker 1: He's the eyes and the ears of that institution.
Speaker 2: But I mean he's just so laid back, just so
nothing bothers him. He knows how to deal with these kids.
Speaker 1: He's the one like giving wisdom, Like come on, farn
these kids didn't change.
Speaker 2: You changed, right, fifty bucks? What what are you gonna
do for me? You got fifty bucks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people miss this, but at the very beginning,
like the opening credits of this movie, yeah, it shows
that high school Shermer Illinois high school Man of the Year,
and it's Carl and the janitor. Right. I did see
meme the other day and it was like, as a kid,
I thought, what a low life Carl is, And then
as an adult, I'm like, let's say he works at
the public school. He doesn't have to deal with anybody.
He's got public benefits. Holly does pick up trash and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is freaking hilarious.
Speaker 1: Okay, I've got a couple of alternate actresses who were
up for the clear part. Oh, by the way, Claire,
that character's name was originally not Claire, Oh it was Kathy.
Speaker 2: I will be careful not to say that Kathy is
Kathy is not a fat girl's name.
Speaker 1: I know, right, My wife's name is Kathy. But anytime
I meet a girl named Claire bing, Claire's a fat
girl's name.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, So here are your alternate Claires slash Kathy's.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Robin Wright was a possible I mean prom queen. Yeah,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: She's probably the same age, probably the same age, right,
I mean that she was very she was very young,
and she was she was four years later, three years later,
two years later.
Speaker 1: Eighty seven. Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, Jodie Foster.
Speaker 2: Promp queen.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think something that's wrong. Okay, how about
Lord Dern Yeah, I can see that, yeah for sure.
And she was young enough at the time I think
she had been in mask was eighty five. Diane Lane.
What No, Yes, of course, Diane Lane.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, I was Cherry Valance. I was thinking
of Diane Keaton. Yes, dian Lane was great, Diane Keaton.
Speaker 1: No, Diane Lane. Yes, that's good. Yes, yes, yes to
Diane Lane.
Speaker 2: She's perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So okay, So we've got alternate universe of Dian Lane
as Claire yep. And who was our best option for Bender?
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't think I heard one that I thought was good.
Nobody John Cusack.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean Emilia Estevez, you know, John Cusack, Nick Cage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And we don't really have any alternates for
the jock.
Speaker 1: No, no alternates for the job, and.
Speaker 2: Then no alternates for the geek.
Speaker 1: Nope, he wasn't going to make the movie. If Anthony
Michael Hall didn't do it.
Speaker 2: I can tell you the alternate for Allison the basket
Case Allison. Yeah what Molly Ringwall she.
Speaker 1: Was she wanted to play that part? Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah she did?
Speaker 1: Really, there you go. How about that?
Speaker 2: It'd be a different movie.
Speaker 1: That would be a very different movie.
Speaker 2: And honestly, if you've got if you've got Diane Lane
as the prom queen, Molly Ringwall does look like the
second helping. Okay, so before we leave, we've got to
talk about this. Okay, we've got to talk about this
real quick.
Speaker 1: Moll Ringwall and Ali Sheety.
Speaker 2: You asked me on the phone if I thought that
Ali Sheet was attractive, and I said, yes, I do
think that she's attractive. And then I said I think
she's more attractive before the makeover than after the makeover.
Speaker 1: And You're like, oh, you're one of those yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
There are a group of people out there that think
she looks better before the makeover because she does. These
are the same people who think Sandy in Greece. You know,
they missed the whole point of the euro the one
I want video. You know, that's the the makeover is
what makes it cool, that makes it fun, that makes
it exciting.
Speaker 2: I get it. But it just didn't work in this.
I mean, I mean she did she didn't put on pants,
she put on a hair bow. I mean she looked ridiculous.
Number one, she had too much makeup on.
Speaker 1: She gets all the out of her eyes.
Speaker 2: I like that, and I know I don't like it,
like it all combed and QPI doll, you like the
parmesan cheese and that didn't appear except on the sandwich,
I mean, or on the painting or whatever. Right, No, yeah,
I definitely think she's better looking as a kind of
messy you know too much I make up, not any
other makeup girl. I like that better.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I'm not gonna die on this hill. But
Ali Sheety doesn't do a lot for me personally.
Speaker 2: Well, Molly Ringwold does zero for me. So how does
how do you feel about Molly Ringwall Mmm? No, not much, Yeah,
not much. So, I mean, you swap those parts and
you do a better job of putting makeup on Ali Sheety.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. Yeah, that makes more sense to me.
Speaker 2: She to me has more I mean, and she has
a more beautiful face than Molly Molly Ringwold does.
Speaker 1: If you move Molly Ringwold to Alison, Yeah, you put
Diane Lane as Claire. That's a net positive in a
perfect movie. Yeah, you're still you're upgrading, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: By the way, do you know who Karen Lee Hopkins is?
Speaker 2: I have no idea who that.
Speaker 1: Karen Lee Hopkins made it all the way to like
shoot Day as the gym teacher, okay, Jim Teacher. Okay, Yeah,
So apparently there's an alternate scene written for Breakfast Club
where she is swimming in the high school pool without
any clothes on and Vernon is spying on her. Okay,
and I think John Hughes wisely said we don't need
this girl.
Speaker 2: So did you google this girl? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And she looks like a gym teacher. I mean she's
I mean, she's an attractive lady, but nothing the socks.
Speaker 2: It's not like Police Academy where she jumps in the corner.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that does it for casting. We will come
back to you next week with next year, as it
turns out, right, ash, I guess that's right. Yeah, next
year with casting for Saint Elmo's Fire, we'll talk about tidbits.
We'll talk about maybe talk a little bit about Saint
Elmo's Fire theme. Won't talk about man emotion, but we
may talk a little bit about the theme and David Foster,
and then we will give you our final take on
there's any doubt as which one is better, Which one
of these two movies, Which one of.
Speaker 1: These legitimate choices is the best?
Speaker 2: Guys, thank you so much for staying with us through
however long you've been through the end of twenty twenty five.
We can't wait to see you next year, and we
love you all. Have a great New Year.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, everybuddy.
Speaker 4: We accept the fact that we had to sacrifice the
whole Saturday and detention for whatever it was we did wrong.
But we think you're crazy to make us write an
essay telling you who we think we are, and you
see us as you want to see us, in the
simplest terms of the most convenient definitions. But what we
found out is that each one of us is a
brain and an athlete, and a basket case, a princess.
Speaker 3: And a criminal.
Speaker 4: Does that answer your question? Sincerely, yours, a breakfast club