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Speaker 1: Dear Jason and d We accept the fact that we

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had to sacrifice a whole Saturday listening to Mariah Carey

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Christmas songs for whatever it was we did wrong.

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Speaker 2: But we think you're crazy to make us produce a

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Patreon episode telling you who we think we are.

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Speaker 1: You see us as you want to see us, in

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the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions. But what

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we found out is that each of us is Apples

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and Oranges.

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Speaker 2: A film buy Docuba seventy seven sent them out a

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flashback and thirty something movie podcast.

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Speaker 1: Does that answer your question? Sincerely yours, the Shirley League,

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the Shirley League, the League, don't don't don't don't. Don't

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you forget about us? That is fan for genius.

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Speaker 2: I'm like I got a little liquid joy coming right now. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's about Rushmore right there.

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Speaker 2: That really is. That was all of our podcasting friends

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who have become just our friend friends over the last

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six years. Guys. At the end of our sixth season

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and in Christmas, thank you guys so much for sticking

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it out with us through all of this. I can't

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believe the amount of friendships and incredibly fun times that

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we've had with people just because of this crazy idea

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that we had back in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: It's been amazing.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Special shout out to def Dave who actually organized that,

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got everybody together and recorded that. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So that's a film by Apples and Oranges Docking Base

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seventy seven thirty something movie podcast that I forget one

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cinematic flashback and cinematic flashback.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you guys, Thank you guys. That means

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a lot. That's really cool, it really does.

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Speaker 2: So, guys. That obviously was a take on the last

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lines from the movie The Breakfast Club. The other most

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memorable line. Well, we're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about

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two movies today, one with the line when you grow

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up your heart dies and the other that proves that

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to be true.

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Speaker 1: I am so ready to defend sant Alma's fire. It's

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not even funny.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: See, I can't wait to get into it.

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Speaker 2: So, as you know, there are movies in our history

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as podcasters, there have been movies that I had to

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go back and see that I did not see at

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the time. Most memorable at this moment, is when we

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covered at the beginning of the season Rambo. I watched

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First Blood and Rambo for the first time in twenty

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twenty five, and like some of the others that I

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had watched the I thought I needed to be twelve

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or thirteen years old when I saw this watching it

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for the first time as a forty nine year old guy.

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That's not my bag of tea. And I can confirm

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that trend with Saint Almo's Fire. I don't want to

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try to hide it. I just Grumpy D.

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Speaker 1: Jeff, as Jeff Johnson says, Grumpy D is the best

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I'm waiting on a movie that you watch at fifty

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and go, ah, man, that was awesome. I can't believe

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Speaker 2: So honestly, Peewee's Biggot Adventure I liked it. I like

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Speaker 1: I love coming Okay, Okay, so.

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Speaker 2: They're not all like that, but there there is a

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significant portion, especially if you're trying to be kind of serious,

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that I'm just like, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, we'll get into it later, but I am my

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sword is prepared on sant almost fire and for.

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Speaker 2: You to fall on, Just hold your Horse, Just get ready.

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Speaker 1: But but in fairness to Saint almost Fire, we are

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talking about it probably an unfair matchup in that The

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Breakfast Club might be the greatest teen movie of all time.

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Speaker 2: So I would say if there was a movie that

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defined Generation X, this would be hold the number one spot. Okay,

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this movie defined what it was like to be in

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high school in the eighties, and Monumental perfectly put together.

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actors and storytelling. I mean, everything came together for that movie.

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Speaker 2: It really did.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting. You have five people in a room

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think of. Although I will say this, I was reading,

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a multitude of scripts that were never produced. Oh my gosh,

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even he regarded as his best work was never made.

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like nobody has it that's willing to produce it so far.

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It's called Oil and Vinegar. And it's about this guy

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who's driving cross country to go to his wedding and

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he picks up a hitchhiking girl.

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Speaker 2: And it's really the interchange between those two people. Kind

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of a coming of age type of thing as well,

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very much like the Breakfast Club, but instead of being

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five people, it's two people and going through this kind

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of weird transition in life, and then you know, ultimately

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and have to navigate through that as engaged human being

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it so highly, for the people who did get to

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see it to talk about it in such high regard.

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It's just a shame that that thing's gone.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting that you bring that up, because there's another script.

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It's not hidden, but it was never made, and it's

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called young Men with Unlimited Capital. Have you come across that?

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Speaker 1: Okay? That was supposed to star Emilio Estevez and Andrew McCarthy. Okay,

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right after sant Elmo's Fire, right, But because of this

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article that was written in New York magazine, brat Packers

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could no longer work with brat Packers. They were kind

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of hirable for a moment. It was a big impact

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on their care. But that movie was going to be

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about two young men entrepreneurial who put together the Woodstock

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Music Festival. Oh okay, and they were the you know,

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Speaker 2: This is Johnny One, John Hughes.

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Speaker 1: But it was Emilio Estevez and Andrew McCarthy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So let's talk about that for a minute,

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because you you've got some info on the idea of

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the brat pack Because these two movies really I mean

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they're the ones that made that term and applied it

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to these actors.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 2: Really didn't exist, Like it didn't exist for sixteen Candles,

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which came out just before this. It was this movie.

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cast these people in it. Because obviously Rob Low was

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definitely in the brat pack group as well and complained

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about it pigeonholing him into the parts that he could get.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the story of these two movies.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's really interesting the power that this article

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wielded over these actors. So you have this guy, his

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name's David Blum, and he was going to do a

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piece on Emelio Esteves and so he was from out

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of town. Emelio invited him, Hey, come out with us.

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I'm meeting some of the guys. We'll hang out, we'll

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go to dinner. Well, Emeli Estevez invites Rob Low and

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jud Nelson to go out to dinner with them, and

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this guy basically writes a hatchet job article on them

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as being privileged jerk party boys. Huh, Like, think about it.

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and the guy that you invited proceeded to tear us

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down and created this situation where they were radioactive in Hollywood. Yeah,

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like they went from it personnel to radioactive overnight because

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of this article.

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Speaker 2: It's terrible. Like I mean, and I mean obviously I

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don't know these people. I don't know Roblo personally, and

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I don't know Emelio Estevez personally, but just in the

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candid you know, in their real life personas, they seem

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like good human beings.

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Speaker 1: So I read the article like I went and read

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the article. Yeah. The only thing it's I don't think

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it's that bad. It's written from a perspective of somebody

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who is on the outside looking in. So this was

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it was tainted with sort of bitterness and jealousy. Yeah,

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I think the guy is a jerk. I think he's

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a sour, bitter jerk, a journalist. A journalist. It had

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a lot of collateral damage, including guys like Anthony Michael

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you know. But basically you got these guys who are

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twenty two years old and they're running around. Of course,

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they're talking to women and drinking too much and they're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's tragic. I mean they're fortunate

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still twenty two. Like that's right. What most of us

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so like, think about Ali Sheety, What did

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's some things, there are some there

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Speaker 1: Honestly. I know that she did a film. I can't

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remember the name of it.

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Speaker 2: Afterwards, but I was listening to the Breakfast Club like

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their reunion when they're all back together, and they said,

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what movie of somebody else do you love? And Molly

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Ringwald mentioned this movie that I hadn't heard of by

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Ali Sheety that Ali Sheety was in that I thought

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was very sweet. But Ali, I just noticed in that

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forum of people, she was the one that stayed quiet

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character the back in the background character like she was

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in the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how about jud Nelson. What has he done since then? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Not much?

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Speaker 1: Right, it's not Andrew McCarthy, Yeah, not much. I mean

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he did do less than zero yeah, which I mean,

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you know, which was nineteen eighty seven. That's a post

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backpack article.

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Speaker 2: Right, But I mean that's it's kind of the part

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like he's playing the part of the that's it sounds

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. But you look at so Ameliusves. You know,

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he'd had young guns and he had mighty ducks, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they all had they all had a lull.

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her skin a little bit. All right, well, let's get

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we are ground zero for the brat pack.

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John Hughes movies have we talked about, because at one

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and I was like, how do we have an eighties

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podcast and not have talked about John Hughes. But now

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we've knocked a few out. So we've done Regular Vacation,

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Hughes movie to talk about it. That's right, yep, okay,

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and yes, go ahead?

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Speaker 1: May I add, yeah, we have on the schedule Ferris

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Buelers day off for next season. Yeah? Really, how can

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you not do an eighties podcast to talk about Farisbeel'

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day off?

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 1: And then we've got pretty imp versus some kind of

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wonderful Yeah, on the schedule.

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Speaker 2: I would love at some point for us to do

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plane strains and automobile veils versus Uncle Buck. Probably, I

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love it. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, we can do

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all the John Hughes movies.

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Speaker 1: I don't sixteen Candles.

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think that I've talked about this before, but I'll just

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I'll do a short bit on John Hughes history. Right, So,

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grew up moving from place to place, you know, just

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when he felt like he would make friends, his dad

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would move them to some new place. And then high school.

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in Chicago, kind of a nerdy kid, but he manages

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to get a cheerleader.

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Speaker 1: I looked at her picture. She's pretty cute, she's intractive, Lenny.

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Speaker 2: She so they move and he gets a job doing

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advertising work. He's writing jokes for Rodney Dangerfield and Joan Rivers, right,

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and then he gets a job that's he's doing that

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copyright work. Doing the copy work, he comes up with

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the and you and I both need this right now, right,

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we got the winter facial hair going on. But you remember,

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back in the day, they had the shaving commercial where

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the guy would rub the credit card and it was

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like yeah, and it was smooth. That was John Hughes's creation.

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which led him to their building, which also was the

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same building that National Lampoon was in, and so he

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met those guys. He started writing stuff for them that

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of course spirals into The first swing was a miss.

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It was a National Lampoon's class reunion. They tried to

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I remember I was way too young to be watching it,

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but I remember thinking, this movie is appalling. It was naughty,

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but it was also like gross.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so okay, So that one swinging a mess. But

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then we do National Lampoon Vacation and he knocks it

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out of the Park and then he follows that up

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with Mister Mom another one we've been talking about. We've

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been talking about doing that movie for like four years now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, literally since season one.

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Speaker 2: But those two movies get him a three picture deal

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with Universal and the first movie that he is going

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to make is Breakfast Club. And then it has a

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July fourth weekend as he's prepping to make Breakfast Club,

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and he decides to write a movie called sixteen Candles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in a weekend.

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Speaker 2: I know, I can't believe this. They forgot my birthday and.

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Speaker 1: I is prolific writer.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And so he comes to Universal and he's like, okay,

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I got my second movie. Here it is. It's called

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sixteen Candles. They read it and they say, we want

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to do this one first. I'm not so sure about

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this kids and detention all day long thing. This is

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a you know, sexy, raunchy, funny kids in high school thing.

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Speaker 1: It does. Now here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: So he's finishing that as their beginning Breakfast Club. Okay,

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and they come in for their first table read. Well,

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Milisteves didn't know that they were supposed to come in

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for a table read, and he had his wisdom to

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taken out, like all four of them impacted wisdom teeth

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taken out the day before.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: So like he's home, I don't know you do you

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have your wisdom tee thinking out?

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Speaker 1: I did. It's not pleasant. I barfed in a parking

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lot on the way home, and you don't feel good

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for a couple of days after that. Yeah, it was terrible.

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Speaker 2: And so he's on pain meds. He's suffering from all

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four of these things coming out, and he gets a

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call from his agent and they're like, hey, you got

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to go over and do the table read. He's like, oh,

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He he slugs through the table read, and then John

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sixteen Candles. You guys, come on, we're gonna go watch it.

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And so Amelia Estevez says, I remember seeing the opening

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credits and I closed my eyes and then I opened

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my eyes and there was the closing credits, and Jen

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Nelson nudges him. He goes I think he just got fired.

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Speaker 1: Hey, how come Andrew gets to go to sleep and

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Andrew goes We'll all go to sleep. It'd be anarchy.

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Speaker 3: Hey.

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Speaker 1: I did have a great quote from John Hughes, okay,

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and he was talking about how he went from the writer,

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like the screenwriter for Mister Mom and Vacation. You know

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we talked. Vacation was directed by Harold Remis, right, So

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he talked to I don't know which director he talked to,

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but that director told him, if they fire you, we

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make the movie. If they fire me, we don't make

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the movie. And he's like, good information. That's why he

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wanted to be a director so bad exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's that's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 2: So Breakfast Club, you've got these five main characters, I mean,

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you get two extra characters, okay. And I know that

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we're going to talk about casting here in a minute,

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so I'm trying not to jump in. But Ali and

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Emelia and jud were the only ones that were like

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old enough to go out, like okay, Like Molly and

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Anthony Michael Hall were both teenagers.

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Speaker 1: They were like sixteen, you're sixteen years old.

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Speaker 2: They were doing school during the day while they're filming

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and not doing things at night because they're not old enough.

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out one night. I think they had. It was a

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failed attempt, Like they went to bar after bar and

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people were just like not interested in not they were

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not the brat pack.

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Speaker 1: Yet, right right, well, interestingly enough, the article the brat

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Pack article, the guy made mention that Judd would become

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very impatient at the club. So like, Okay, he's dancing,

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nobody comes up to him. This place sucks.

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Speaker 2: We're out of here, yes, so yeah, so, and apparently

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Ali just stayed in her room. She was old enough

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to go out, but she's like, I'm good. She just

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she very much seems to be her her character.

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Speaker 1: She seems like the type of person who is happy

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to crawl up with a book.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, be fine, Maybe not the type of person to

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make love in the shower on a coffin with her

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pearls still on for five scenes.

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Speaker 1: I told you we'll get to it. That was the

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most unsexy love making scene that I can remember.

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Speaker 2: Okay, eighties, so let's just talk about it now, Okay, Yeah,

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because you told me that, and then I watched it

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for the first time, and and I warned the person

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that I was with, I'm like, this is coming, just

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be ready for it. And we watched it and we're like, well,

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she still got a pearls on, and she still got

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a pearls on, and there they are still on, Like

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I just have to think those are gonna either come off,

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fall off, or be torn off at some point in

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that process. But they were not pearls hold it. But

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it wasn't awful. It wasn't awful. It was just kind of.

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Speaker 1: Well, it seemed like they were directed like Andrew McCarthy, Yeah, okay,

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attack her like a linebacker. I'm like, dude, it's.

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Speaker 2: As though the guy giving them direction was unfamiliar with

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what heterosexual sex was.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 1: That's a fair point. That's a fair point. I will

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say this though, in.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Andrew, I've got a costume for you. It's got

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the nipples right on it.

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Speaker 1: We have talked about Joel Schumacher already, go back to

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our Batman and Robin and.

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Speaker 2: And the Lost Boys Lost Boys then, okay, so let's

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keep talking about this. So we got Joel Schumacher for

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Saint Almo. Spider wrote and directed, Yes, that movie yes,

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and yes, we have talked about him before. As a reminder,

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he was doing window dressings in some department store and

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Woody Allen saw his department store and said, I want

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you to come do costumes from a movie. And that's

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how he gets into the entertainment industry. Does car Wash,

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does The Incredible Shrinking Woman, and then that somehow spirals

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into The Lost Boys and well, this movie.

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Speaker 1: It is amazing when you say that out loud to me,

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he was decorating windows at a department store and later

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is in charge of the bat Man franchise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, But I told you,

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I'm like, I feel like he's a home run or

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strikeout guy, Like he doesn't have very.

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Speaker 1: Many And we started to go through the list, you know.

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the time, but I don't feel I mean, i'd say

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with confidence it does not stand the test of time.

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Like there may be people who fell in love with

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it back then who watch it and they're and they're like,

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oh yes, and they have the memories and it's all

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good again. But I'm telling you, anybody who's didn't see

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this back in nineteen in the nineteen eighties, who then

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comes across it later on is going to be like,

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this is horrible.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is horrible. Let me just I'm just mounting

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my first line of defense here, okay, because I will

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argue number one, this is a touchdown movie in the

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nineteen eighties. Okay. And granted, my perspective is different because

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I saw it one hundred times when I was twelve

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years old, and so it was aspirational for me to

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eventually go to college and fall in love with somebody

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and get like start chasing a career and doing things

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with my life and becoming who I'm supposed to be. Yeah,

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you saw it after all that stuff had happened. Yeah, Okay,

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so it is a different perspective. Yeah, but I'm here

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to tell you Saint AMA's Fire, I believe gave birth

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to one of the most popular television shows of all time. Okay, Okay, Yes,

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now I can't make a direct line to this, Okay,

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but is my thought that even maybe subliminally this created

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the TV show Friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I could see that. I mean, I can't

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I can see that. I mean because you essentially, I mean,

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it's it's four girls and three guys in the movie

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instead of three girls and three guys. But it's that

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same kind of where we've we've just arrived to adulthood.

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We're just trying to figure out how to be grown

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ups instead of being kids again. I can see that. Okay,

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I think that's fair. I think that's right. I don't

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know if you're right or not, but I think that's

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a fair guess.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so there you go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Joel Schumacher makes this thing, and it's a

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polarizing movie, like even the critics are they love it

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or they hate it, right, but the populace at large

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loves it.

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Speaker 1: So once again, because I remember that summer of eighty five,

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the music video for this for Saint Almost Fire or

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Man Emotion, John Parr was on every third time on MTV.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm gonna push pause on what you're saying

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for just a second. Okay, everybody, So, in our normal episodes,

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if there's an iconic song, we're going to talk about

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that song during an episode. And in this particular scenario,

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we have two movies that each have an iconic song.

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But as it turns out, we have already covered both

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of those songs, and we've covered them on our Patreon page.

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So teaser here. If you want to hear the full

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backstory on Don't You Forget About Me? Go to our

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Patreon page. Sign up free to sign up. You can

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hear the episode for his little five bucks a month.

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You could sign up for one month. Past five bucks.

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You have both these epiods two fifteen episode, Can't beat That.

476
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Couldn't even rent these movies back in nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's right.

478
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so go check out our Patreon page Patreon

479
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dot com Slash Surely podcast and you can hear the

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Man in Motion one. You can hear the Don't You

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Forget About Me? I'm pointing because you did that one.

482
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I did that one. Yep. Also, guys, just open the

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merch store.

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Speaker 1: The merch store.

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Speaker 2: It's been a long time coming. I fought with Etsy

486
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until I couldn't fight anymore. I waved the white flag

487
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and I said, fine, no more Etsy. We went with Shopify,

488
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So we've got a Shopify page. We'll put the link

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in our YouTube clip and in the show notes for

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the for the podcast episodes. So be sure go to

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our merch store. You can get a shirt cool like this.

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We've got him in both varying colors.

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Speaker 1: I want to say it.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Chris Weber, one of our longtime fans

495
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and Patreon members. He asked for one in blue. I said, Okay,

496
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I can make that happen. We made one in blue,

497
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and I'm like, dang, that's better than the black and

498
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the white. I think we've got him in blue. We've

499
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got him in white, maybe a couple other color colors

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out there.

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Speaker 1: We've got sweatshirts that you can get.

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Speaker 2: I shameless plug put my band T shirt on there,

503
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so if you want an std T shirt, you definitely

504
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can get one there as well. We've already sold a

505
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boatload of those. Actually, that was pretty quick sale.

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Speaker 1: Yeah to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah anyway, hey.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait yeah, before you move on, First of all,

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today is Chris Weber's birthday. Chris, Happy birthday, A buddy birthday, Chris. Also,

510
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this is totally true. You can get a Shirley can't

511
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be serious two piece black bikini for your you know,

512
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stocking stuffer. Hey, you know, for your loved one. Get

513
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them now.

514
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Speaker 2: It's winter, it's not season, it's they're cheap and they

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look good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you want guys to pay attention to you,

517
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Shirley can't be serious.

518
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Speaker 2: I'm telling you. Your wife puts on the Shirley can't

519
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be serious bikini. You guys might not make it to

520
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the beach.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Back on Joel Schumacher for just a second.

522
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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go through his entire career. But

524
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you were talking about whether or not it's either a

525
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home run or strikeout, right, and so we were I

526
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was just kind of looking at him, you know. DC

527
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Cab was kind of a you know, I had mister

528
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t I wanted to like it has.

529
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Speaker 2: Bill Maher in it. As a little kid, I liked it, Okay,

530
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I mean it was but it was one of those

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ones that was it was on HBO or something or

532
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whatever a lot. So it was just like to me,

533
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just funny. I just was too young to understand what

534
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good movies were.

535
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Speaker 1: What do you think about Incredible Shrinking Woman?

536
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Speaker 2: I loved it, and it would come on all the time.

537
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,319
I mean it would come on like ABC all the time.

538
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Speaker 1: I love that movie too.

539
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Speaker 2: I would watch it again right now. I would watch

540
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The Incredible Shrinking Woman every day and twice on Sunday

541
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before I ever watched at Almost fire Kid.

542
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Speaker 1: Wow, I love I love incredible shrinking woman. Lily Tomlin

543
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was super funny.

544
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's great. Okay.

545
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Speaker 1: The Lost Boys, Yeah, Home Run right for sure, best

546
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,839
vampire movie of the eighties. I agree, Yeah, okay, Yeah.

547
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Then you have the movie like Falling Down.

548
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Speaker 2: Great movie.

549
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Speaker 1: It's fun, right, It's not really fun, it's interesting.

550
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but I mean iconic like that was

551
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it was changing at that point. Yes, it was a

552
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major thing. Yeah.

553
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Speaker 1: Flat Liners, I loved it back.

554
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Speaker 2: In the day. I don't know if it's still good.

555
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It's been thirty something years since I've seen it.

556
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Speaker 1: But I will put this out there that Joel Schumacher,

557
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for every two good things he does, is kind of

558
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one drawback. Okay, So like flat Liners, you're like, wow,

559
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this is an interesting story and these people suck.

560
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, so you yeah, you kind of

561
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mentioned that they're all flawed characters, right, And he talks

562
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about in this movie he wrote this movie, he based

563
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it on his circle of friends, you know and I

564
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And at some point one of the record or one

565
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of the studio executives reading the script said, this is

566
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the most loathsome group of people I've ever read in

567
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my life. Yeah, those are my best friends, right, so

568
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that that does make it kind of awkward. Yeah, so

569
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I'm sorry. I got to just I just had an

570
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inspiration flat Liners. Yeah, tell a story and then we'll

571
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bring it back to flat Liners, all right. So we

572
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also have talked I think season one or season two

573
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we did Bulderham versus Major, Yes, we did. Did you

574
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know that Anthony Michael Hall was supposed to play Nucleue

575
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and he he says, I ift that up. I was

576
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a cocky kid and I messed that part. I messed

577
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getting that part up.

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Speaker 1: Ron Shelton couldn't stand him, right, and that's what Yeah,

579
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so as Tim Robbins got that part, of course, and

580
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then he later did a movie called Jacob's Ladder.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that movie?

582
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Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 2: I really feel like Flatliners and Jacob's Ladder might be

584
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the perfect matchup. Like, I don't want to give away

585
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,519
the ending to Jacob's Ladder for anybody who hasn't seen it,

586
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but it's kind of the same idea of what happens.

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Speaker 1: When you're dead. Yeah, yeah, that's an interesting thought. I

588
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like it, Okay, I like it.

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Speaker 2: Let's put a pin in that, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Uh So Schumacher also does a couple of pretty good

591
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John Grissom movies, right. He does The Client, which is

592
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pretty good, and he does a Time to Kill which

593
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I thought was very good, right.

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Speaker 2: And Matthew McConaughey breakout movie absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then of course he does Batman Forever and Batman.

596
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Speaker 2: And Robin Yeah, both very bad, very bad. There are

597
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several other bad, bad movies and what he's done too,

598
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but I don't need to bring those up.

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Speaker 1: Batman Forever, I would argue, has things in common with

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sant Elmo's Fire.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: You have charismatic people, you have a couple of great songs,

603
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music videos, and a whole lot of flash, but just

604
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not tons of substance. Yeah, but I didn't know any better,

605
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and I thought they were great.

606
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Speaker 2: Yeah at the time I could see that. Speaking of

607
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Batman Forever, please go check out the thirty somethingter movie podcast.

608
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,799
They just covered Batman Forever and it was hysterical.

609
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Speaker 1: It was It was really good.

610
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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, so we understand how these two movies came

611
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to be both written and directed by well known.

612
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Speaker 1: Very very successful writers and directors of the eighties.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but let's talk about casting because it's huge for

614
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,559
these Okay, yeah, let's start with Breakfast Club. Of course,

615
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Molly Ringwall and Anthony Michael Hall did not have to audition.

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Speaker 1: Well because they got the job while they were working

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on Sixteen Candles. Yeah, so there's some interesting things here.

618
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So Molly Ringwald became John Hughes's go to girl until

619
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she wasn't.

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Speaker 4: You know, I have just as many feelings as you do,

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and it hurts just as much when somebody steps all

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over them.

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Speaker 1: We had sixteen Candles.

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Speaker 2: Breakfast Club, Breakfast Club, pretty pretty and pink, and then and.

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Speaker 1: Then she kind of laid down the law and said

626
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I'm breaking away and doing my own thing, and that

627
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really hurt his feelings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean Anthony Michael is the exact same thing.

629
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Various Bueller's day off was supposed to be Anthony Michael Hall,

630
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and he was like, no, I'm going to go do

631
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out of Bounds.

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Speaker 1: I know, and I've I've done a podcast on out

633
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of Bounds with Jeff Johnson. Go over to the Film

634
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by podcast check that out. I mean he's not good.

635
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Speaker 2: Yep.

636
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Speaker 1: Okay, Anthony Michael Hall poke back. Okay, he had done

637
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Vacation fourteen. He's amazing. He's very funny. Yeah, I mean

638
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he holds his own with Chevy Chase. He does uh

639
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and then of course he does sixteen Candles and he

640
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steals the show in Sea sixteen. Farmer Ted, I'm not

641
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really a farmer a freshman right, yeah, okay. John Hughes said,

642
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if Anthony didn't do Breakfast Club, I wouldn't have made it. Wow,

643
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:34,119
how strong is that?

644
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Speaker 2: That's very strong? Now, it's interesting because of of those characters,

645
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he to me is.

646
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Speaker 1: Kind of the back.

647
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're picking, you know there, it's it's

648
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really about all five of them. But he's kind of

649
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the background guy. To me, he's kind of the glue.

650
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he.

651
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.

652
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Speaker 1: He's just it's it's not farmer Ted at all. Right,

653
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Farmer Ted's very out there, kind of right front. Yeah yeah, okay,

654
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so he plays. Also we should say he's the brain.

655
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Speaker 4: What do you need to fake ID for so I

656
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can vote m He's.

657
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Speaker 1: The guy who writes the letter to mister Vernon. Also,

658
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,079
do you remember his crime for a detention?

659
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:10,839
Speaker 2: I do?

660
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we probably need to talk about their quote

661
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,440
unquote school sins. Okay, he brings a flarira gun to

662
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school because he failed a shop project.

663
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,519
Speaker 2: Kind of idiot. Doesn't know how to make a lamp.

664
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Speaker 1: What do you know about trigonometry with that?

665
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,519
Speaker 2: Trigonometry wouldn't have bridges bridges without lamps, we wouldn't have.

666
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:38,119
Speaker 1: Like stupid elephant trunk. So did you know at the

667
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:39,799
beginning of the movie when he pulls up to the

668
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school and you have the mom and the sister there

669
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and mom's reaming him out, saying, mister, you find a

670
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:47,799
way to study. That's his actual mother. Did not know

671
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:51,440
that until you told me yesterday. Her name is Mercedes Hall. Okay,

672
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,440
his sister it's that little girl, Mary Christian.

673
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Speaker 2: It's her name, Mary Christian.

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Speaker 1: Hall's winning. Yeah. John Hughes thought, what better way to

675
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,240
get the authentic mother son, yeah than to have actual

676
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mother and son.

677
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Speaker 2: And then the dad picks him up at the end

678
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,559
of the movie, and the dad is John Jones. Love it, Yeah, Okay,

679
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,279
perfect nerd dad. You know he's got those kind of

680
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,599
circle glasses.

681
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Speaker 1: Big big glasses. He does rock the mullet. I love

682
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,440
his rocking mullet.

683
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,599
Speaker 2: Man yeah, okay, it's like a guy who's trying real hard.

684
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Molly Ringwalk.

685
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Speaker 4: Oh how popular I am.

686
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm so popular. Everybody loves me so much with this

687
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store for baby.

688
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:35,079
Speaker 2: Okay.

689
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Speaker 1: So she had been the star of sixteen Candles. I

690
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,000
don't know if you know this not. She had been

691
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in Facts of Life.

692
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Speaker 2: I do remember that. Yeah, she was young, one of

693
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,039
the younger girls and Facts of Life. I didn't think

694
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about it until you just said it, But now that

695
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,400
you say it, yeah, I remember that. She had the

696
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,640
very like I don't remember, mushroom kind of haircut.

697
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Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting to think what would have happened

698
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if Blair or Joe or Tuty had had kind of

699
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,599
slid into that role, you know what I mean, which

700
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,880
obviously it was possible, you know, Mollie field that spot.

701
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So she stars as Samantha in sixteen Candles. John Hughes

702
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,079
falls in love with her and says, you're my girl, right.

703
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So that's so he had her and him in his

704
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back pocket going in. Ali Sheety had done wargames, which

705
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:25,880
we had talked about.

706
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,039
Speaker 4: Your heart dies, Who cares.

707
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:32,079
Speaker 1: I care?

708
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: You know?

709
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:37,039
Speaker 1: Ali Sheety did war games. She did a movie called

710
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:41,720
Bad Boys, which starred Sean penn Uh And she had

711
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:44,920
also been in Oxford Blues, which had Rob Low, So

712
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,599
you kind of have some early brat pack stuff going

713
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,440
on there. Oka and John Hughes brings her in and

714
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,160
she's going to be the outcast, the weirdo, the basket.

715
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,559
Speaker 2: Case, he said, or she said. When he brought her in,

716
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:03,480
he didn't have her read. He just talked to her

717
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,119
like just and I imagine he probably did this with

718
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,119
most of them, but just talked to her about the

719
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:13,199
character and some ideas and they exchange and you know,

720
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,960
she she gave him her thoughts and that was how

721
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,079
she got cast. Never read a line and got cast.

722
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,039
I'm not sure if the Blogey throw was her idea.

723
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,119
Speaker 1: The dandriff on the drawing, by the way, you know

724
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,519
what she claims is her biggest contribution to the Breakfast Club,

725
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:35,480
like her proudest moment in The Breakfast Club, the David

726
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,719
Bowie quote at the beginning of the movie where it

727
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,440
comes directly from the song changes. Yeah, that was Ali.

728
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,519
She's idea.

729
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: And these children that juice is on mistake, try to

730
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:55,440
change their world. Our rebune to your consultation is it

731
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,960
quite aware what they're going through.

732
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: Wow, she's like, that is my proudest thing associated with

733
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:06,960
Breakfast Club.

734
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's wonderful. No, that's really good.

735
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,599
Speaker 1: I would be this. I would feel the same way.

736
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:13,119
Speaker 2: That's fantastic, right, And.

737
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: Just while we're on it. So you have the David

738
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,159
Bowie quote at the beginning of the movie, and then

739
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:22,079
you have the exploding glass and then it's Saturday morning,

740
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,960
March twenty third, nineteen eighty four or whatever. You have

741
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,960
a really cool setup for the movie.

742
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

743
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:31,039
Speaker 1: I would argue that Saint Elmo's Fire has an incredible

744
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:33,800
beginning of the movie as well. So you have the

745
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,239
love theme. You have these seven friends, they're all wearing

746
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,039
their cap and gown. They're graduating, they're happy, they are

747
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,599
just thrilled to be there. And then you hear the

748
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,719
sound of a car crash, like gosh, and then they're

749
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,519
running into the emergency room. Yeah. Both of these movies

750
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:51,760
are set up right off the bat. You already know

751
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:54,639
what's going on where we are. One's gonna take place

752
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:56,360
in the school, the other one is.

753
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: A car crash.

754
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,039
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get into it.

755
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: Man.

756
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,159
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about Amelius of us.

757
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:10,559
Speaker 3: Okay, you and me two hits a hitting you hitting

758
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:12,559
the floor anytime you're ready to pal.

759
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: Of course we know him. We've talked about him a

760
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,280
lot on the Young Guns episode we did. We did

761
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,320
Young Guns, Young Guns two and Tombstone right kind of

762
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,440
a three way. By the way, just for the record,

763
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:25,480
he was made to be Billy the kid.

764
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,079
Speaker 2: I know that they're this year have been involved in

765
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:32,480
filming in New Mexico for Gun three.

766
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

767
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: Whatever, it's not young anymore. The young is all shot up.

768
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:36,920
But Guns three.

769
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what else? They're also doing sat Almost

770
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,280
Fire two? Are they You didn't know that I did not. Yes,

771
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:47,320
they are actively pursuing sat Alma's Fire part two.

772
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,079
Speaker 2: So emelis are they all dead because that's where it

773
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:53,199
looked like it was headed.

774
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:59,599
Speaker 1: No, but that just as a side The Brats documentary

775
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,440
that I Want was directed by Andrew McCarthy, and one

776
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,199
of the cool things is he's reaching out to all

777
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,760
these people trying to talk to him, and he talks

778
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,360
to He talks to Ali Sheety, he talks to Ameliostavez,

779
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,320
he talks to David Blum, the guy who wrote the article.

780
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,880
He talks to Malcolm Gladwell, Like he goes to all

781
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,400
these interesting people, but the one guy he can't track down,

782
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,960
Mally Ringwall, turns him down. She you know, I wish

783
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,519
she wouldn't have I would have loved to have heard

784
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:28,440
from her. The one guy he can't track down is

785
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,039
jud Like Judd Nelson is impossible to get a hold of,

786
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,480
Like he doesn't know, he didn't have his number, his agent,

787
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,800
like they can't reach him. And the last literally the

788
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,920
last scene after he's met with you know, Amelia and

789
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:47,639
Ali and Rob Low and Demi Moore and he sits

790
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:49,320
down with the author and he kind of makes peace

791
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,039
with the guy who wrote the article. The very last

792
00:37:53,039 --> 00:37:55,559
scene of the documentary, his phone rings. After all this

793
00:37:55,639 --> 00:38:00,320
is over the phone rings. He goes hello, yes Judd,

794
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,039
and it goes it crashes in don't you Forget about Me?

795
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,159
Is so good?

796
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: That's great?

797
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so I've got a funny story with Emiliatves. Okay.

798
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,480
So he had done Repoman, He of course had done

799
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:19,639
The Outsiders. He had done Texts which.

800
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:23,199
Speaker 2: My sister in law was on the back of a

801
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,679
motorcycle with him in that movie.

802
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, so a strong sy Hinton background there,

803
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:32,079
And of course we've talked about The Outsiders and Rumblefish.

804
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:34,719
Those are both kind of brat pack adjacent movies. Sure,

805
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:39,239
And so Emiliu Estavez's dad, Martin Sheen, I thought this

806
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,760
was funny. John Capellos, who plays the Jannit, he plays

807
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,559
Carl in Breakfast Club, he was trying to break the

808
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:48,000
ice with the young actors one day and he was

809
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:51,599
telling him, hey, guys, listen, this isn't rocket science. There's

810
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:54,320
no need to get too uptight about this stuff. In fact,

811
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,840
one dumb actor, Martin Sheen, got so into Apocalypse Now

812
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,400
he had in a heart attack. And Emilio was like

813
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:07,280
livid about that comment, of course, and like John Capella's

814
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,079
is still talking about to this day, he is like,

815
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:11,320
oh my god, I can't believe I said that. That

816
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,599
was so stupid. I had no idea that that was

817
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:17,880
his son, and so Emilio really was really really bad

818
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,440
at him. Well, John Capellis worked with Martin Sheen, I think,

819
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,000
on The West Wing years years later, and he told

820
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:27,039
Martin Sheen that story, and Martin thought it was hilarious.

821
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:30,559
So I thought that I thought that was a great story.

822
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: It is, that's a very good story. Yes, by the way,

823
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:36,239
he was What was the actor's name, John Capella's. John

824
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:43,320
Capello's was the oily bohunk fiance groom maddied in Sixteen Candles.

825
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: He was, he was. He also plays kind of the

826
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,679
sleazy guy in Roxanne, which is another movie I like.

827
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,440
And he's and he's one of the guys in the

828
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,679
bar in Weird Science. He's like the pimp. He is,

829
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,280
he is. What are you doing with him? But like this,

830
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:04,800
I guess she's that's it. Judd Nelson was the last

831
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:05,519
guy hired.

832
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 4: Any questions, Yeah, I got a question.

833
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: Does Barry Man alone know that you rate his wardrobe?

834
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: Okay, now here's the interesting thing. So Emelia Stevez was

835
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,639
originally supposed to be Bender. Stop and think about that

836
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,960
for a second. That doesn't fit at all.

837
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:24,679
Speaker 2: It doesn't.

838
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,159
Speaker 1: So they bring in Judd Nelson, who had been in

839
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,039
a eighties kind of a B movie called Making the Grade.

840
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,599
Did you ever see that one? Okay, not a great movie.

841
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:37,039
Bring him in, but he has a level of menace

842
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:42,159
to him. I feel like he's violent in some ways,

843
00:40:42,199 --> 00:40:45,880
you know. Yeah, And he stayed in character so much so.

844
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,440
Molly Ringwald's mom had to get involved and went to

845
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:51,960
John Houghs and said, this guy will not leave my

846
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:55,960
daughter alone. He's making inappropriate comments to her. He's twenty

847
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,360
five years old, she's sixteen.

848
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,159
Speaker 2: Let me see a picture guy with elephant Titus of

849
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:03,039
the nuts. It's pretty tasty.

850
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 4: No, thank you.

851
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: How do you think he rides a bike?

852
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: Oh Claire?

853
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: Would you ever consider dating.

854
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: A guy like this?

855
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: Can?

856
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: She's leaving me alone, even if he had a great personality,

857
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,719
was a good dancer and had a cool car, although

858
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:18,400
you probably have to.

859
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: Ride in the backseat because his nuts would ride shotgun

860
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,320
And so John Hughes is like, he's gone, I got

861
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,159
I'm firing his butt. That's bull crap. I can't have

862
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,360
him abusing our lead actress. Paul Gleeson, the guy who

863
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,760
plays mister Vernon, says, no, you can't. This guy has

864
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,159
got this character down so well, and he's a young

865
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:41,519
guy just telling me back off. You cannot let this

866
00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:43,920
guy go. He's way too important. And of course Paul

867
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,440
Gleeson and John Bender, they're back and forth. Is the

868
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,480
crux of the movie.

869
00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: What was that.

870
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 4: Eat my shorts?

871
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,599
Speaker 1: You just bought yourself another Saturday mister Oh crushed. You

872
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,400
just bought one more right there? Well on free the

873
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,920
Saturday after that. Beyond that, I'm gonna have to check

874
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,920
my calendar. Good because it's.

875
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 3: Going to be filled.

876
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:11,639
Speaker 2: We'll keep going.

877
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: Do you want another one?

878
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: Say the word?

879
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,599
Speaker 1: Just say the word instead of going to prison, You'll

880
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:17,320
come here.

881
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:20,599
Speaker 2: Are you true?

882
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: No, I'm doing society a favor.

883
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:24,159
Speaker 2: So that's another one.

884
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:26,199
Speaker 3: Right now, I've got you for the rest of your

885
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,199
natural born life.

886
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: If you don't watch a step you.

887
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: Want another one?

888
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:31,159
Speaker 2: Yes, you got it.

889
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,519
Speaker 1: You got another one right there.

890
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 4: That's another one, Pal hang out.

891
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: He was dis close to firing. That's Jed Nelson.

892
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: That's great, And apparently Jed Nelson would also antagonize Paul

893
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,960
Gleeson throughout the movie. Well, sure, so, do you know

894
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,119
the story behind how Paul Gleeson got hired?

895
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 4: No?

896
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:47,519
Speaker 1: I know?

897
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,199
Speaker 2: Okay, So we talked about.

898
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: In Trading Places.

899
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: Yes, we talked about Paul Leeson in Trading Places. Yeah,

900
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:00,159
But we also talked about Anthony Michael Hall. We were

901
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:02,480
talking about weird science. We talked about how he had

902
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:05,840
been like John Hughes was so like they were so

903
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,400
tight that when they did sixteen Candles, He's like, okay, well, like,

904
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,000
you know, I've got these guys as potential best friends.

905
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:14,159
Who do you want? So he picked the best friend.

906
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,280
So he picked John Cusack. He is, He's responsible for

907
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,039
John Cusack's first real role.

908
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

909
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,599
Speaker 2: So anyway, he's like, he's got this script. They're working

910
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:26,599
on it. Anthony Michael Hall loves Eddie Murphy. He goes

911
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:30,119
and watches Trading Places, gets done with it, and he

912
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,360
goes to John Hughes and he's like, you got to

913
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,880
see this movie. The guy they had originally planned to

914
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:40,000
play vice principal whatever name, Vernon, thank you, was coach

915
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,239
from Cheers. That was yes, I mean how wrong would

916
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:43,760
that have been?

917
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,159
Speaker 1: Right? Oh way? And so that was the plan.

918
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: But then Anthony Michael Hall says to John Hughes, you

919
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:51,280
got to go watch Trading Places. I think there's a

920
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,599
guy in it who would be a much better Vernon.

921
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,239
And that's how Paul Gleeson gets that part. Now Paul

922
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,039
Gleeson and Nathan Michael Hall become friends after this. A

923
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:03,760
couple of years later, they go watch the Tyson Reggie

924
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,880
Gross fight that like he knocked him out the first

925
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,039
round of course, you know, and he's and Anthony Michael

926
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,239
Hall is watching, you know, watching the fight. He's you know,

927
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,079
he's still a teenager, I think at this point, right

928
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:17,239
and super excited, and all of a sudden, Mike's you know,

929
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,440
walking out of the ring, and Mike's like, you're my

930
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,199
favorite actor.

931
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: And he says they become friends.

932
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: They like, they wang out. They they still text each other.

933
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:29,360
You know, they've gone on a double date before. It's

934
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,920
Anthony Michael and Mike Tyson are our buddies. That is

935
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,239
crazy because Paul Gleeson, who knows Anthony Michael Hall because

936
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,360
he got him the part in Breakfast Club, took him

937
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,280
to watch the Tyson fight.

938
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,079
Speaker 1: So I looked into Paul Gleeson a little bit. We've

939
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:44,119
talked about him. He was in Trading Places, and of

940
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:49,639
course he's in Die Hard Detective Dwayne Robinson, Dwaine T. Robinson.

941
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:57,519
I'm not the one who just got it, but wee.

942
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,760
So he is awesome in these movies as being kind

943
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,760
of the lovable, hateable guy. You know, he was a

944
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,000
professional baseball player. Oh I can actually see that in

945
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:11,960
the Cleveland Indians organization. Oh wow, okay, Like and I looked, man,

946
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,360
he was a jock expected more from a versity letterman.

947
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: Okay, Berry Man alone, No, you rate his wardrobe?

948
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: Give me the answer to that question, mister bitter. Next Saturday,

949
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,639
don't mess with the bull, young man. You get the horns.

950
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:29,960
All right, I've got some alternate universe stuff for you.

951
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: Okay, we all everybody loves the Colvin alternate universe stories.

952
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, here's your alternate John Binder. Okay. These

953
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,920
are actors who almost got this part. And we talked

954
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,159
about Emilio Westavez. I don't think he would be right

955
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:47,159
for it. He's not imposing enough. He's five six, on that,

956
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:48,519
on that, on height.

957
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 2: Judd Nelson talked about how this not only was the

958
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,519
perfect movie for its time, they filmed it at the

959
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:58,119
perfect time because at the beginning of the movie he

960
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,039
was big enough to be an actual threat to Anthony

961
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:04,400
Michael Hall. By the time the movie was over, Anthony

962
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,639
Michael Hall was the same height as him. By the

963
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,440
time they were back in doing their dub line read ends,

964
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:12,440
he was taller. And then of course, you know, Edward

965
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,400
Scissorhands comes out and he's the jock, you know, But yeah,

966
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,800
but yes, Anthony Michael Hall grew of like solid six

967
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,280
inches during the production of The Breakfast Club.

968
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so here's your alternate venders. Yeah, Nick Cage.

969
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:32,199
Maybe he's kooky enough he might be able to pull

970
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:33,159
it off. Yeah.

971
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:35,159
Speaker 2: I mean he had done Valley Girl at that point,

972
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:41,880
so Rubblefish maybe. Yeah, let's not talk about that one. Okay, okay.

973
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: But the other one, the big one, John Cusack, like

974
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,199
he was literally like he thought he had it and

975
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,440
they came to him, like Judd Nelson comes in the

976
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:56,360
last second. Yeah, he acts like a jerk in the audition.

977
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,760
He pisses everybody off in the audition. You know he's

978
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,719
got He comes in, he's wearing the flannel and the

979
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,639
jean jacket and the boots and yeah, he's doing the

980
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:07,199
whole thing, and he rubs everybody the wrong way. And

981
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,559
then they realize, well, that's who this guy is, right.

982
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,960
So the casting director went to John Cusack, who up

983
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,400
to that point had done Sixteen Candles and Maybe Better

984
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,719
Off Dad, which we talked about earlier this year. Yeah,

985
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,039
neither one of those. Is he tough? Now he's a

986
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,840
kickbox we know he's a kickboxer in real life. But

987
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,079
went to him and said, sorry, we went in a

988
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:30,280
different direction, and they said, but we got you a

989
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,559
plane ticket home. He's like, and he stomped out. Was mad,

990
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,280
you know, really really mad because he thought he had it. Yeah.

991
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:45,119
Can you see Bender and John Cusack. I think Judd

992
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:49,000
Nelson nails this part. So you you mentioned that he

993
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,559
wore the clothes in like and those were fingerless gloves.

994
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: Those were his clothes. He said, his mom would constantly

995
00:47:56,519 --> 00:47:58,280
when he was walking out of the house. You'd be like,

996
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:02,360
you tucking your shirt, shoes please? And then of course

997
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,800
his look, I mean inspired, So everybody started trying to

998
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,800
dress like that because everybody wanted to be John Bender.

999
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,719
After that movie came out and she's like, oh great,

1000
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,400
you just started a fad of sloppiness.

1001
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: Is it fair to say that his costume influenced the grunge?

1002
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: You bet?

1003
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I think so too, you bet. I mean, look

1004
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,559
at Eddie Vedder in ninety one. Yeah, does he look

1005
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:29,920
like John Bender? Yes? He does? He does.

1006
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: Okay.

1007
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,519
Speaker 1: By the way, another person that they had in mind,

1008
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:41,880
possibly Alan Ruck Cameron from Farri Speeler's Day Off. No, No,

1009
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,599
I'm gonna say no to that one as well. Okay,

1010
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,239
all right, he wasn't even tough as a cowboy.

1011
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 2: In Young Cuts. Yeah right, he just was nerdy.

1012
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: You dig my farm mists? Okay, the possible alternate to

1013
00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:00,000
John Capello's Carl who I think he does a great job.

1014
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,519
Speaker 4: Sure, How does one become a janitor?

1015
00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:04,199
Speaker 1: Do you want to be a janitor?

1016
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,039
Speaker 4: No? I just want to know how one becomes a janitor,

1017
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,960
because Andrew here is very interested in pursuing a career

1018
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,840
in the custodio arts. Oh really, do you guys think

1019
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,239
I'm just something untouchable peasant, sir pion?

1020
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:24,679
Speaker 2: You know? Maybe so falling a broom around after heads

1021
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,280
like you for the last eight years, I've learned a

1022
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,639
couple of things. I look through your letters, look through

1023
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:34,360
your lockers. I listened to your conversations. You don't know that,

1024
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:34,840
but I do.

1025
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: I am the eyes and ears of this institution, my friends.

1026
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 4: By the way, that clock's twenty minutes fast?

1027
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,039
Speaker 1: Is Rick moranis too big?

1028
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's too big an actor.

1029
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: He wasn't the right fit. Yeah. Remember in Ghostbusters, Rick

1030
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,199
Moranis's character Lewis Sully had been originally played by John camp.

1031
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,159
Speaker 2: Right right, Well, offered Candy got offered the party.

1032
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: They wanted him to do it, and he wanted to

1033
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,760
do it with like a heavy German accent, and they're like, no, no,

1034
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,199
not interested, And so he said, bring in my buddy,

1035
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,880
Rick moranis. Well in this movie, they wanted Rick moranis

1036
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,440
who wanted to do the janitor job as a Russian

1037
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,239
immigrant and do a heavy Russian accent, and they went, Now,

1038
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:25,039
John Cappella's.

1039
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: Subtle genius in this one. He really is.

1040
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: He's the eyes and the ears of that institution.

1041
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: But I mean he's just so laid back, just so

1042
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:36,400
nothing bothers him. He knows how to deal with these kids.

1043
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:39,679
Speaker 1: He's the one like giving wisdom, Like come on, farn

1044
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,280
these kids didn't change.

1045
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 2: You changed, right, fifty bucks? What what are you gonna

1046
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,559
do for me? You got fifty bucks?

1047
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people miss this, but at the very beginning,

1048
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,840
like the opening credits of this movie, yeah, it shows

1049
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:57,760
that high school Shermer Illinois high school Man of the Year,

1050
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,559
and it's Carl and the janitor. Right. I did see

1051
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:03,880
meme the other day and it was like, as a kid,

1052
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:07,360
I thought, what a low life Carl is, And then

1053
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,320
as an adult, I'm like, let's say he works at

1054
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,480
the public school. He doesn't have to deal with anybody.

1055
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:17,639
He's got public benefits. Holly does pick up trash and.

1056
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is freaking hilarious.

1057
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,159
Speaker 1: Okay, I've got a couple of alternate actresses who were

1058
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,360
up for the clear part. Oh, by the way, Claire,

1059
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,159
that character's name was originally not Claire, Oh it was Kathy.

1060
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:35,159
Speaker 2: I will be careful not to say that Kathy is

1061
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:36,639
Kathy is not a fat girl's name.

1062
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,679
Speaker 1: I know, right, My wife's name is Kathy. But anytime

1063
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,639
I meet a girl named Claire bing, Claire's a fat

1064
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:44,199
girl's name.

1065
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1066
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So here are your alternate Claires slash Kathy's.

1067
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1068
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:53,159
Speaker 1: Robin Wright was a possible I mean prom queen. Yeah,

1069
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:53,920
are you kidding me?

1070
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,199
Speaker 2: She's probably the same age, probably the same age, right,

1071
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,159
I mean that she was very she was very young,

1072
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,239
and she was she was four years later, three years later,

1073
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,480
two years later.

1074
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,519
Speaker 1: Eighty seven. Yeah, okay, yeah, okay, Jodie Foster.

1075
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: Promp queen.

1076
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,519
Speaker 1: No, I don't think something that's wrong. Okay, how about

1077
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:15,400
Lord Dern Yeah, I can see that, yeah for sure.

1078
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,559
And she was young enough at the time I think

1079
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:21,000
she had been in mask was eighty five. Diane Lane.

1080
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,920
What No, Yes, of course, Diane Lane.

1081
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, I was Cherry Valance. I was thinking

1082
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,320
of Diane Keaton. Yes, dian Lane was great, Diane Keaton.

1083
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,639
Speaker 1: No, Diane Lane. Yes, that's good. Yes, yes, yes to

1084
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:37,199
Diane Lane.

1085
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: She's perfect.

1086
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1087
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: So okay, So we've got alternate universe of Dian Lane

1088
00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:47,000
as Claire yep. And who was our best option for Bender?

1089
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1090
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,039
Speaker 2: I don't think I heard one that I thought was good.

1091
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:52,239
Nobody John Cusack.

1092
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: Right, I mean Emilia Estevez, you know, John Cusack, Nick Cage.

1093
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And we don't really have any alternates for

1094
00:52:58,840 --> 00:52:59,199
the jock.

1095
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: No, no alternates for the job, and.

1096
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:07,199
Speaker 2: Then no alternates for the geek.

1097
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: Nope, he wasn't going to make the movie. If Anthony

1098
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:10,760
Michael Hall didn't do it.

1099
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 2: I can tell you the alternate for Allison the basket

1100
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,119
Case Allison. Yeah what Molly Ringwall she.

1101
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:20,559
Speaker 1: Was she wanted to play that part? Really?

1102
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:22,039
Speaker 2: Yeah she did?

1103
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: Really, there you go. How about that?

1104
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: It'd be a different movie.

1105
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,039
Speaker 1: That would be a very different movie.

1106
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: And honestly, if you've got if you've got Diane Lane

1107
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,920
as the prom queen, Molly Ringwall does look like the

1108
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,360
second helping. Okay, so before we leave, we've got to

1109
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,039
talk about this. Okay, we've got to talk about this

1110
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:37,480
real quick.

1111
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: Moll Ringwall and Ali Sheety.

1112
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 2: You asked me on the phone if I thought that

1113
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,800
Ali Sheet was attractive, and I said, yes, I do

1114
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,320
think that she's attractive. And then I said I think

1115
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,039
she's more attractive before the makeover than after the makeover.

1116
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: And You're like, oh, you're one of those yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.

1117
00:53:56,199 --> 00:53:59,199
There are a group of people out there that think

1118
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,280
she looks better before the makeover because she does. These

1119
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,559
are the same people who think Sandy in Greece. You know,

1120
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:07,880
they missed the whole point of the euro the one

1121
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,840
I want video. You know, that's the the makeover is

1122
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,079
what makes it cool, that makes it fun, that makes

1123
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:14,800
it exciting.

1124
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:17,039
Speaker 2: I get it. But it just didn't work in this.

1125
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:20,400
I mean, I mean she did she didn't put on pants,

1126
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:24,159
she put on a hair bow. I mean she looked ridiculous.

1127
00:54:24,639 --> 00:54:26,840
Number one, she had too much makeup on.

1128
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: She gets all the out of her eyes.

1129
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 2: I like that, and I know I don't like it,

1130
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,239
like it all combed and QPI doll, you like the

1131
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,079
parmesan cheese and that didn't appear except on the sandwich,

1132
00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:46,280
I mean, or on the painting or whatever. Right, No, yeah,

1133
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,920
I definitely think she's better looking as a kind of

1134
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:52,119
messy you know too much I make up, not any

1135
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:54,239
other makeup girl. I like that better.

1136
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I'm not gonna die on this hill. But

1137
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:59,599
Ali Sheety doesn't do a lot for me personally.

1138
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: Well, Molly Ringwold does zero for me. So how does

1139
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:08,320
how do you feel about Molly Ringwall Mmm? No, not much, Yeah,

1140
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,719
not much. So, I mean, you swap those parts and

1141
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,880
you do a better job of putting makeup on Ali Sheety.

1142
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:16,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. Yeah, that makes more sense to me.

1143
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,039
Speaker 2: She to me has more I mean, and she has

1144
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:22,880
a more beautiful face than Molly Molly Ringwold does.

1145
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: If you move Molly Ringwold to Alison, Yeah, you put

1146
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,880
Diane Lane as Claire. That's a net positive in a

1147
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,280
perfect movie. Yeah, you're still you're upgrading, I think. Yeah.

1148
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:34,599
Speaker 4: Right.

1149
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,679
Speaker 1: By the way, do you know who Karen Lee Hopkins is?

1150
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:38,679
Speaker 2: I have no idea who that.

1151
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: Karen Lee Hopkins made it all the way to like

1152
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:46,679
shoot Day as the gym teacher, okay, Jim Teacher. Okay, Yeah,

1153
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,920
So apparently there's an alternate scene written for Breakfast Club

1154
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,599
where she is swimming in the high school pool without

1155
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:55,800
any clothes on and Vernon is spying on her. Okay,

1156
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:58,880
and I think John Hughes wisely said we don't need

1157
00:55:58,880 --> 00:55:59,239
this girl.

1158
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: So did you google this girl? Yeah?

1159
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,199
Speaker 1: And she looks like a gym teacher. I mean she's

1160
00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:10,039
I mean, she's an attractive lady, but nothing the socks.

1161
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 2: It's not like Police Academy where she jumps in the corner.

1162
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: That's right.

1163
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 2: Okay, So that does it for casting. We will come

1164
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,400
back to you next week with next year, as it

1165
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,880
turns out, right, ash, I guess that's right. Yeah, next

1166
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year with casting for Saint Elmo's Fire, we'll talk about tidbits.

1167
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,000
We'll talk about maybe talk a little bit about Saint

1168
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,239
Elmo's Fire theme. Won't talk about man emotion, but we

1169
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may talk a little bit about the theme and David Foster,

1170
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and then we will give you our final take on

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there's any doubt as which one is better, Which one

1172
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of these two movies, Which one of.

1173
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Speaker 1: These legitimate choices is the best?

1174
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Speaker 2: Guys, thank you so much for staying with us through

1175
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however long you've been through the end of twenty twenty five.

1176
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We can't wait to see you next year, and we

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love you all. Have a great New Year.

1178
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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, everybuddy.

1179
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Speaker 4: We accept the fact that we had to sacrifice the

1180
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,639
whole Saturday and detention for whatever it was we did wrong.

1181
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,280
But we think you're crazy to make us write an

1182
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,079
essay telling you who we think we are, and you

1183
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:14,400
see us as you want to see us, in the

1184
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,760
simplest terms of the most convenient definitions. But what we

1185
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,440
found out is that each one of us is a

1186
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:27,519
brain and an athlete, and a basket case, a princess.

1187
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Speaker 3: And a criminal.

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Speaker 4: Does that answer your question? Sincerely, yours, a breakfast club