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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys

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<v Speaker 1>five stary s me on us today and listening, oh watching,

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<v Speaker 1>always keep its watching. And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman

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<v Speaker 1>and James Bubo Fay Bubbo.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing man?

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<v Speaker 3>We had a loss and we had a couple losses

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<v Speaker 3>again this week in the bigfoot community. Unfortunately lost Brent Thomas,

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<v Speaker 3>the host of Paranormal Portal, longtime Bigfoot and UFO and

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<v Speaker 3>all cryptids and paranormal kind of stuff, but he was

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<v Speaker 3>a big foot that was his main gig. Great guys

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<v Speaker 3>on his show a couple of times. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we stayed in touch over the years and he's a

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<v Speaker 3>really good dude. And then we lost Stan Courtney. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>one of the original audio guys from the BFRO Midwest Researcher.

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<v Speaker 3>Good guy. We got in the film them several times.

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<v Speaker 3>He was on the show Finding Bigfoot. Was our contact

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<v Speaker 3>out there and he was another buddy for a long time,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, twenty year friend. We lost him too, So

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<v Speaker 3>our condolences to all the family and friends of those too.

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<v Speaker 4>Yea.

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<v Speaker 5>And actually, while we're talking about that, not to bring

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<v Speaker 5>everybody else down, but there was another loss to the

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<v Speaker 5>Bigfoot community that quietly slipped away in April that I

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<v Speaker 5>haven't been talking about so much, that definitely deserves recognition

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<v Speaker 5>and made a profound impact on the Bigfoot community even

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<v Speaker 5>though he wasn't technically a bigfooter. He was because he

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<v Speaker 5>did so much Bigfoot stuff, but he wasn't really a bigfooter.

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<v Speaker 5>And that of course is Dennis Hereford. Dennis Hereford, the

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<v Speaker 5>sheriff that casts the Hereford Cast in nineteen eighty two,

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<v Speaker 5>he did on site Bigfoot investigations. He passed away. Cancer

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<v Speaker 5>got him on April eighteenth, twenty twenty six. That death

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<v Speaker 5>went completely unnoticed by the Bigfoot Commune, but I wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to draw some attention to it now.

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<v Speaker 6>Very sorry to hear that. Definitely sorry about Brent and Stan.

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<v Speaker 6>I never got to meet Brent, but I did meet

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<v Speaker 6>Stan Courtney, and you know, he was very kind and

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<v Speaker 6>very enjoyable to speak with, and so I know he

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<v Speaker 6>was very close with a number of BFRO people for

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<v Speaker 6>a long time and other researchers too. But all will

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<v Speaker 6>definitely be missed.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, already recently, you may everybody our listeners may have

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<v Speaker 5>heard about a recent report up in Idaho. It was

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<v Speaker 5>a Class A report and if it's on the BFRO

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<v Speaker 5>dot net website, links will be down below in the

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<v Speaker 5>show notes if you're interested. It is report number eight

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<v Speaker 5>one two zero two teenage campers stalked by a group

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<v Speaker 5>of Sasquatches sixteen miles northwest of McCall in Payette National Forest.

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<v Speaker 5>Very very fresh report. It was May twenty fourth that

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<v Speaker 5>this encounter happened. In twenty twenty six, Moneymaker called me

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<v Speaker 5>and asked if I would like to join Jonathan Easley,

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<v Speaker 5>the primary investigator of this case, and Matt and all

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<v Speaker 5>of the witnesses, which was quite a thing, man, because

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<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of witnesses involved. I'm not even sure,

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<v Speaker 5>like six or eight or something, but we all hopped

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<v Speaker 5>on a call. So we have a lot of primary

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<v Speaker 5>source here available for our podcast in the form of

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<v Speaker 5>snippets from the actual witness's mouth. And we also have

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<v Speaker 5>Jonathan easily on the line, fresh back from the location

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<v Speaker 5>and has investigated this report deeper.

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<v Speaker 2>Than I have.

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<v Speaker 5>But Jonathan, thank you so much for coming out of

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<v Speaker 5>the woods and joining us on Bigfoot and Beyond.

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<v Speaker 4>We appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, glad to be on. Thank you guys for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>That was so Jonathan that you're coming aboard.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, glad to be on.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Just before we get too deep into this particular report,

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<v Speaker 5>I do want to mention that Jonathan has his own

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<v Speaker 5>YouTube page and it is called Western Bigfoot Exploration. Again,

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<v Speaker 5>links will be in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 3>He's one of the ones when you always ask little

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<v Speaker 3>or battle lash what you two chells? Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 3>pretty good. I'll check his out.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got some do ones on there. Excellent, excellent.

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<v Speaker 5>So so this report, Jonathan, would you want us to

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<v Speaker 5>get us a rundown of basically what happened because there's

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of details and ins and outs and this

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<v Speaker 5>and that's and people involved. But the gist of it

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<v Speaker 5>is basically they saw a sasquatch or a couple sasquatches

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<v Speaker 2>That's correct? Yeah, it was a Memorial Day weekend, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's up in a place called a Lost Valley Reservoir,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're camping at a spot that a few of

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<v Speaker 2>those members have been camping at for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Many years, so they're very familiar with it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it was a group of ten friends that were

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<v Speaker 2>up there, and over the course of two nights they

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<v Speaker 2>had sasquatches walk into camp. The article says stalk them,

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<v Speaker 2>and well, I think it's a bit dramatic. It's not wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>because there was there were two campsites that they were

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<v Speaker 2>based at. They had like I think seventy five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the people at one campsite and a few individuals

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<v Speaker 2>at the other campsite, and both campsites were visited by sasquatch.

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<v Speaker 2>So these things happened at night, and also they had

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<v Speaker 2>one thing happened during the day. Now i'd say multiple

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<v Speaker 2>people claimed to have seen figures moving through the bushes.

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<v Speaker 2>One guy saw one approach him. He said, pretty close.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you have to figure that, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you see something scary in the woods that maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't seen before, your mind kind of conflates things to

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<v Speaker 2>be a lot larger and closer. So you know, his

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<v Speaker 2>description was ten to fifteen feet away and about nine

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<v Speaker 2>feet tall.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, they had multiple sightings. They also had a

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<v Speaker 2>few pictures that they supplied. Handprints on a car potential footprint,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, they all kind of told the same story

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<v Speaker 2>the same way. They were even jumping in and giving

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<v Speaker 2>details that maybe the other person wasn't giving. They were

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<v Speaker 2>making small corrections, so it seems like a very plausible

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<v Speaker 2>story that really did occur, all right, So this seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like a good time to cut in and introduce the

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<v Speaker 2>next segment. So, like they mentioned, there was a lengthy

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<v Speaker 2>interview that Matt Moneymaker, Jonathan Easley and did with many

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<v Speaker 2>of the witnesses of this Idaho incident, and they recorded

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<v Speaker 2>that over zoom. So there was a lot of information there,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of different voices speaking at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>So I sort of whittled this down just to the

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<v Speaker 2>most relevant segments and the ones that were the most

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<v Speaker 2>listenable understandable where there weren't a lot of people interjecting

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<v Speaker 2>or stepping over each other. So enjoy this segment where

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<v Speaker 2>you will hear directly from the witnesses about what they

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<v Speaker 2>saw and heard out there in Idaho.

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<v Speaker 4>This is Matt Moneymaker with the Bigfoot Field Researchers organization.

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<v Speaker 4>This call and recording. Is it reference to the report

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<v Speaker 4>that made news that we posted on the BFRO site

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<v Speaker 4>that happened on Memorial Day weekend, and this is up

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<v Speaker 4>about sixteen miles northwest of McCall in the Payett National Forest.

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<v Speaker 4>So there were ten people there all together, and not

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<v Speaker 4>everybody had a visual siding. But we're still we want

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<v Speaker 4>to try to learn You guys can actually help us

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<v Speaker 4>learn a lot about the behavior of these critters, about

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<v Speaker 4>what they did and how they reacted to you. So

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to ask questions to kind of help bring

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<v Speaker 4>that out, help us kind of understand how they operate

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<v Speaker 4>and what they react to and what they do when

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<v Speaker 4>they react. But I'll start off with this, had you,

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<v Speaker 4>guys ever camped in this area before, had any of

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<v Speaker 4>you or all of you as a crew? Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 4>was the weather like up there when you went this time?

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<v Speaker 4>Like the temperature, cloud cover, wind, Tell me about that.

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<v Speaker 7>It was really nice, clear skies, you know, it wasn't bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, what time did you end up getting there to

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<v Speaker 4>the camp area?

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<v Speaker 7>Probably about nine o'clock Friday evening.

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<v Speaker 4>How long after you got there did the first thing

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<v Speaker 4>happen either sound or visual that you think might have

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<v Speaker 4>been connected.

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<v Speaker 7>Friday after midnight? Like one in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Morning, one in the morning, And what happened?

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<v Speaker 3>Man?

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<v Speaker 7>We were meet here.

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<v Speaker 8>Colton and Corey were sitting around the fire while everybody

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<v Speaker 8>else was in a sleep in their tents and the

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<v Speaker 7>You know, we were.

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<v Speaker 8>Sitting there just kind of having fun, you know, just

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<v Speaker 8>salking the stars. And I looked over at behind Daniel

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<v Speaker 8>Bailey's tent and I saw a tall, dark figure and

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<v Speaker 8>I thought it was just the one's messing with me.

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<v Speaker 7>But then they explained when they saw it.

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<v Speaker 8>It was tall, like seven eight feet tall, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>black figure behind Daniel Bailey's tent.

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<v Speaker 4>How far behind? How far from the tent?

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<v Speaker 7>Was it ten feet?

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<v Speaker 4>I was right behind the tent pretty much.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it was kind of by our bathroom bucket.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay. Was the camp in a clearing among the among

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<v Speaker 4>the trees or was it under trees?

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<v Speaker 7>It was mainly clear.

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<v Speaker 4>It was clear. Now, did on the edges, like are

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<v Speaker 4>in the tree line around you? What's there what's called

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<v Speaker 4>thick edge growth that made like a curtain where it

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<v Speaker 4>was difficult to see back in the brush. Or could

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<v Speaker 4>you in the daylight, would you be able to easily

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<v Speaker 4>see back into the trees?

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<v Speaker 7>In the daylight, you'd be able to see back in

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So It's not like the tent was near a

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of tree cover where the thing that easily cut

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<v Speaker 4>In other words, it had been daylight and ten feet

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<v Speaker 4>behind the tent, it would have been very exposed. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>was it holding still when you saw And how long

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<v Speaker 7>Thirty seconds or so? And I looked away, and I

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<v Speaker 7>looked back it was gone.

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<v Speaker 4>And how far were you away from the tent? How

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<v Speaker 4>far did you were you away from the creature in

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<v Speaker 7>Twenty thirty feet away?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, you were pretty close. Did you hear anything that

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<v Speaker 4>night or did any any anything else happened before the

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<v Speaker 4>next morning?

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<v Speaker 7>Bailey? I heard knocking.

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<v Speaker 7>And then she heard it again Sunday night, go going

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<v Speaker 4>Like how far from the camp was it.

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<v Speaker 9>Honestly don't know, but it was pretty loud and like

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<v Speaker 9>it sounded like someone was just like a person like

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<v Speaker 9>one of us was knocking on the tree, and then

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<v Speaker 9>he was like, that wasn't any of us. And then

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<v Speaker 9>I looked and everyone was still like all around us,

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<v Speaker 9>And then it got louder, but then it stopped.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, we woke up with our baby and I heard

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<v Speaker 9>it and I was like, babe, what was that? And

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<v Speaker 9>he was like, I don't know, Like we just thought

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<v Speaker 9>someone was walking around the campsite, like we thought one

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<v Speaker 9>of them was up walking around. And then the next

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<v Speaker 9>morning when we all got up and they all came out,

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<v Speaker 4>All right, So let's move into the next day, Saturday.

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<v Speaker 4>So what was that next day? What was the next

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<v Speaker 4>thing that happened? You think might have been connected, like

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was, he all though, arguing to be honest with.

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<v Speaker 4>You, Okay, what do you mean you mean that was sounds?

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<v Speaker 4>But the arguing with sounds that you gu guys will

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<v Speaker 4>make it, yes, okay, And he was during an argument.

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<v Speaker 4>What happened during the argument somebody walked off? How did

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<v Speaker 4>that lead to the next Bigfoot related today.

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<v Speaker 2>The next thing that happened was towards the nighttime.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, nothing happened during the day on Saturday back No, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>So what happened Saturday.

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<v Speaker 10>Night basically the same thing that happened Friday night, like

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<v Speaker 10>just all the sounds and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when it really got interesting was Sunday night Monday morning.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Well, let's let's take it one of let's cover

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<v Speaker 4>what happened on Saturday. What were the sounds you heard

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<v Speaker 4>Saturday night?

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<v Speaker 9>Whistling, knocking, like, yeah, trees falling, and like snapping, like

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<v Speaker 9>someone just like took a stick and just snapped it.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you heard what sounded like a tree being pushed over?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>How many of those?

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<v Speaker 2>Four?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>You heard four tree pushovers roughly? And how how far

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<v Speaker 4>away were they from you?

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to tell.

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<v Speaker 4>Did they sound any of some like particularly big trees? Mmm?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? And though yeah, okay?

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<v Speaker 4>Were there dead trees around? Did it seemed like there'd

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<v Speaker 4>be dead trees available that could be pushed over?

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<v Speaker 2>Or yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes? Yes, okay, so there were some of those? All right.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of you guys are hunters, right, yeah, deer hunters.

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<v Speaker 4>Did you notice deer tracks in the area. No, No,

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<v Speaker 4>you didn't notice any deer or any deer tracks.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even see a Barrett track up there.

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<v Speaker 5>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, So let's get into Sunday night. You said,

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<v Speaker 4>that's when the really interesting stuff happened.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, Sunday night around I don't know, I want to say,

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<v Speaker 10>like ten thirty maybe eleven. Yeah, I got a massive

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<v Speaker 10>headache just out of nowhere, and so I got out

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<v Speaker 10>to go take side prope and then I had a

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<v Speaker 10>pee step behind my ten That's when I got a

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<v Speaker 10>good look of it.

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<v Speaker 4>And how far away was it from you?

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<v Speaker 2>Not even like thirty feet in front of me?

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<v Speaker 11>Really?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay? Well, okay, now we're talking. This was at night.

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<v Speaker 4>Was there any moonlight? How well?

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<v Speaker 2>Lick was No, not really, it was kind of hard

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<v Speaker 2>to see.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, And so tell me what you did see.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what I saw is I get roughly nine feet tall,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was like walking on two legs, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of big walking towards me. And that's when

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<v Speaker 2>I turned around and kind of went talked to Jimkob okay.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it was walking towards you, not like it

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<v Speaker 4>was bluff charging you, not like it was trying to

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<v Speaker 4>scare you, but just moving in your direction.

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<v Speaker 2>It was walking pretty fast really okay?

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<v Speaker 4>And is that when you said in the report Kia

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<v Speaker 4>said at one point she mentioned reflective eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, that's when I saw. That's when I saw

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<v Speaker 2>I like glowing red eyes.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh you did? You did have glowing red eyes? Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>Do it seem like it was reflecting off the campfire

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<v Speaker 4>or or are like they were glowing on.

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<v Speaker 2>Their own, just on their own really?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay?

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<v Speaker 9>Cool?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh? And do anybody else but you see it at

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<v Speaker 4>that moment?

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<v Speaker 2>Think Jacob saw something.

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<v Speaker 8>Jacob said that he saw the same thing, but he

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<v Speaker 8>originally thought it was the trees messing with them until

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<v Speaker 8>Daniel came running up to them.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, and everybody, and this was your all together kind

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<v Speaker 4>of at the same camp area.

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<v Speaker 10>We were all in sitting around the campfire, other than Alex,

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<v Speaker 10>he was sleeping in the camper because he got sick.

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<v Speaker 7>I was in the tech.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, and then let's move forward. What was the next

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<v Speaker 4>thing that big for related?

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<v Speaker 10>We all kind of heard kind of sound and all

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<v Speaker 10>of the like the guys, all the girls went into

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<v Speaker 10>the camper, and all those guys kind of walked towards

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<v Speaker 10>what we what we started seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then that's went. Me and Colton.

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<v Speaker 10>Decided to go check on some other people that we

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<v Speaker 10>knew that were around the area.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we went and kind of checked their camps. Light

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<v Speaker 2>out and I'll let call him take it over from.

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<v Speaker 4>There, and mister and went to, Yeah, how far did

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<v Speaker 4>you have to go to this other camp?

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<v Speaker 2>Three minutes?

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<v Speaker 4>Three minutes walking, right, three minutes driving? Okay, And so

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<v Speaker 4>you didn't see anything while you were driving. You saw

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<v Speaker 4>things when you got over to that other camp. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, Colton, go ahead, tell us what happened.

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<v Speaker 11>So, so we got to the other camp and we

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<v Speaker 11>were kind of letting them know, like what was going on,

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<v Speaker 11>just kind of giving them a little heads up that

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<v Speaker 11>something's out and not very happy.

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<v Speaker 4>What did you tell Did you have any idea what

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<v Speaker 4>it was or how did you explain what it was?

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<v Speaker 11>We kind of just explained it as a tall, dark

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<v Speaker 11>manlike figure there. That's really all that any of us

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<v Speaker 11>truly had.

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<v Speaker 4>Because you'd only seen it in the dark.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, And we were talking to him and Daniel and

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<v Speaker 11>I started hearing some stuff back behind their tent, and

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<v Speaker 11>there's a little hill back behind their tent and then

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<v Speaker 11>it drops down into a little ravine. Well, Daniel and

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<v Speaker 11>I are standing up on top of this hill and

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<v Speaker 11>him and I bolt hear something off to our right,

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<v Speaker 11>and we look and I could see something and how.

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<v Speaker 4>Far away was it from you?

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<v Speaker 2>Ten fifteen feet?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow?

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<v Speaker 11>I fired off a couple of rounds because I'm not

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<v Speaker 11>one that likes to mess around and then possibly figure

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<v Speaker 11>out if I'm gonna go back to Camp Atlantic or not.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait to say, let me ask you about this. Did

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<v Speaker 4>you already have a gun with you? Did you have

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<v Speaker 4>to go get it from the car or what.

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<v Speaker 2>With us?

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<v Speaker 7>They grabbed the guns and took off.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh when they went down to the camp, you brought

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<v Speaker 4>guns with you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 10>Yes.

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<v Speaker 8>The only one that really stayed behind was Jacob. He

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<v Speaker 8>sat in front of the camp or with all of

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<v Speaker 8>those girls inside, just in case anythinking that. So the

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<v Speaker 8>people that stayed at camp were Jacob, Me, Kira, Jeffrey,

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<v Speaker 8>Alec Bailey, and the baby.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, and so by this point, you guys were all

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<v Speaker 4>apprehensive that something was coming around the camp. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>you were worried. Yes, yes, okay, So the other guys

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<v Speaker 4>go down to the other camp. You see something moving

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<v Speaker 4>in the dark, not far away. What kind of gun

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<v Speaker 4>was it that you used to fire the warning shots?

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<v Speaker 2>I had a ten mil you out at nine four?

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<v Speaker 4>You out of ten, so two tens in a night.

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<v Speaker 2>And the forty five a ACP.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So these aren't rifles. These are all handguns, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The twenty two is a rifle, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty two, okay? And is that what you used to

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<v Speaker 4>do the warning shots?

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<v Speaker 11>No, we were using the nine and ten mil.

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<v Speaker 4>And were you shooting in the air towards the ground?

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<v Speaker 4>Towards the ground? Okay? And of something that you thought

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<v Speaker 4>was real close to you? Yeah? Okay? Did you hear

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<v Speaker 4>any movements after you capped off those?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>How many rounds did you shoot off?

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<v Speaker 11>I shot a like towards the figure three times and

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<v Speaker 11>then it was a bunch of brush and like TwixT snapping,

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<v Speaker 11>and then it all went silent until just a couple

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<v Speaker 11>seconds later there was something back behind us that started

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<v Speaker 11>making sound. And that's when we turned and saw another figure,

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<v Speaker 11>just a little bit smaller, running down the other side

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<v Speaker 11>of the hill.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, were you were you shot in its director? Were

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<v Speaker 4>you prying to hit it? Or were you just shooting? Now, bubbah,

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<v Speaker 4>I was very much so trying to hit it. You were, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>but you wasn't wasn't in view when you were aiming

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<v Speaker 4>at or you just aiming toward where you had seen movement?

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<v Speaker 11>So I could see it when I wasn't drawn up

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<v Speaker 11>on it. It was kind of harder to see you

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<v Speaker 11>when I was drawn up, but I knew that I

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<v Speaker 11>was within a couple inches at least.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, did you have any idea how big that one was?

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<v Speaker 2>About ten to twelve foot?

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<v Speaker 4>This one? That was? Okay, no end of twelve foot

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<v Speaker 4>from you, but you think it you think it was

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<v Speaker 4>ten feet tall? Yeah? Okay? And then the other direction

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<v Speaker 4>there was you think a smaller one? Yeah? And that

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<v Speaker 4>and that you heard that after you did the shots,

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<v Speaker 4>you heard another one running away? Yeah? Okay, you heard it.

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<v Speaker 4>But did you get you get any glimpse of it

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit? Like it's its top half?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it like went back down over?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay? All right? Then what happened next?

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<v Speaker 11>Everyone got in their vehicles and we drove up the

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<v Speaker 11>road a bit, trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Figure out what we were going to do, whether we

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<v Speaker 2>were going to.

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<v Speaker 11>Have the people that we went to talk to come

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<v Speaker 11>back to our camp or what their plan was going

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<v Speaker 11>to be. And they ended up coming back to camp

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<v Speaker 11>with us.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so you were all kind of freaked out and

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<v Speaker 4>you wanted to all be in the same place. That

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<v Speaker 4>good Okay, all right, And so that would have been

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<v Speaker 4>at what time that you all came back together about.

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<v Speaker 11>One two.

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<v Speaker 4>Am?

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<v Speaker 10>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay. Now, in the report, Kiara mentioned that you guys

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<v Speaker 4>said that the things used they seemed to know how

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<v Speaker 4>to hide and dodge and get behind things. What was that?

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<v Speaker 4>Was that based on the incident with the guns or

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<v Speaker 4>was there another occasion where you saw them like moving

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<v Speaker 4>around trying to hide.

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<v Speaker 11>Mainly just kind of the situation with the guns and

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<v Speaker 11>they were quick, swift movements. It knew exactly what it

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<v Speaker 11>was doing and how it was doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay. Was there any sounds other than the brush breaking?

435
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<v Speaker 11>Not really, It was just kind of the it's it's

436
00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:33.480
<v Speaker 11>like listening to an l bus through the brush, is

437
00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:34.359
<v Speaker 11>what it sounded like.

438
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So no eye glow on that incident.

439
00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Not that I personally saw.

440
00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:44.279
<v Speaker 4>Now, okay, so we're one of tod them on Sunday.

441
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<v Speaker 4>Anything happened Monday later after that? Or was that the

442
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<v Speaker 4>final thing?

443
00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.799
<v Speaker 8>Non drove around and we were looking for the nests

444
00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:56.160
<v Speaker 8>and the crosses, because after the boys have taken off,

445
00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:58.680
<v Speaker 8>I called my mom and that was when she had

446
00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:01.559
<v Speaker 8>sort of texted you to look out for these things,

447
00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:04.839
<v Speaker 8>and she told us to stay together, and that's when

448
00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:08.240
<v Speaker 8>I gave her my location, and she also told us

449
00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:10.319
<v Speaker 8>to go out the next day and go look for

450
00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:13.279
<v Speaker 8>the nests that looked like Teethe's and the trees and

451
00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:13.920
<v Speaker 8>the crosses.

452
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:17.079
<v Speaker 7>But there weren't any sounds or anything as far as.

453
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<v Speaker 4>We know, all right, And anything else happened after that

454
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<v Speaker 4>before you laughed?

455
00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Also on the.

456
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<v Speaker 8>Handprints and the footprints, the fut print was just behind

457
00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:33.920
<v Speaker 8>our camp Jacob's camper and like right outside our campsite.

458
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<v Speaker 4>Okay. And what was the mention in the report of

459
00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.200
<v Speaker 4>a sound that sounded like something either getting in a

460
00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:43.160
<v Speaker 4>car or trying to start.

461
00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:47.960
<v Speaker 8>A car that was knocking with how Bailey originally described it,

462
00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:49.960
<v Speaker 8>because when she had asked us about it, she thought

463
00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:52.799
<v Speaker 8>Corey was starting his car because Corey and now we

464
00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:54.519
<v Speaker 8>were sleeping in their car and me and Colt were

465
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<v Speaker 8>sleeping in our car, and Corey had told her that

466
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<v Speaker 8>his battery.

467
00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:01.880
<v Speaker 7>Was disconnected and that they weren't trying to start their

468
00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:02.519
<v Speaker 7>car that night.

469
00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:06.519
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so that was that. It was just you heard

470
00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:08.119
<v Speaker 4>a knocking saut and you were just trying to figure

471
00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:10.160
<v Speaker 4>it out and thought it may have been a sound

472
00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:11.119
<v Speaker 4>coming from the car.

473
00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:14.039
<v Speaker 9>I thought they were like trying to turn the like

474
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<v Speaker 9>turn it over, and because I already knew it was dead,

475
00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:19.400
<v Speaker 9>but I hadn't known that they had disconnected the battery.

476
00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:21.440
<v Speaker 7>So that's what automatically my mind went to.

477
00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.839
<v Speaker 9>And that's why I asked everybody when we well, because

478
00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:27.599
<v Speaker 9>I was sitting outside like around the fire, and then

479
00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:30.000
<v Speaker 9>Corey and Abby got up and that's when I asked

480
00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:34.039
<v Speaker 9>them and they were like, no, like we disconnected the battery,

481
00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:36.319
<v Speaker 9>and I was like oh, And then I just did

482
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.160
<v Speaker 9>say anything after that because I really didn't know what

483
00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:38.720
<v Speaker 9>was going on.

484
00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:42.279
<v Speaker 4>All right, very good? So by that point, were you

485
00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:44.839
<v Speaker 4>guys thinking that these I mean, did you know did

486
00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:47.880
<v Speaker 4>you guys know anything about sasquatches before this weekend or

487
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:50.240
<v Speaker 4>how much did you know about the subject.

488
00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:53.240
<v Speaker 8>I knew a pretty good deal prior because my mom

489
00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:55.559
<v Speaker 8>and I when I was growing up we'd watch about

490
00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:59.160
<v Speaker 8>like sasquatches and paranoral activity. But like when I had

491
00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:03.079
<v Speaker 8>called her when everything was going on, I think Sunday night,

492
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:05.720
<v Speaker 8>and she told me it was a sasquatch. I told

493
00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:08.200
<v Speaker 8>it was like, I'm not joking, I'm serious. So she goes, no,

494
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:10.799
<v Speaker 8>it's a sasquatch like we've seen in the shows.

495
00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:13.200
<v Speaker 4>Okay, how about the rest of you, the rest of

496
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:16.079
<v Speaker 4>you guys, were you have heard bigfoot stories.

497
00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.880
<v Speaker 2>For Yeah, just watching night TV shows and stuff.

498
00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:23.640
<v Speaker 4>Okay, do people that you know in the area generally

499
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:27.359
<v Speaker 4>believe the subject or do most people think it's nonsense?

500
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:30.400
<v Speaker 2>All of people think it's nonsense, real.

501
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:32.519
<v Speaker 4>Pretty most of the people out of work, they get

502
00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:36.920
<v Speaker 4>pretty much nonsense. Okay, well, I'll tell you they don't

503
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:41.240
<v Speaker 4>know better. I've had one real close to me before,

504
00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:44.920
<v Speaker 4>and I could assure you they are quite real. And

505
00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:47.319
<v Speaker 4>there's other people who have seen them up in that area,

506
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:51.200
<v Speaker 4>so I think that's exactly what they were. Very good. Well,

507
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.960
<v Speaker 4>thank you so much. That's I think we got most

508
00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:57.359
<v Speaker 4>of it, and again, it does help us to try

509
00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:58.920
<v Speaker 4>to understand how these things operate.

510
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:03.599
<v Speaker 5>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

511
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:12.799
<v Speaker 5>Bogo will be right back after these messages. Now it

512
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:14.960
<v Speaker 5>says teenagers, but when I spoke to them, I got

513
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<v Speaker 5>the gist of I third, like around twenty are they

514
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:20.920
<v Speaker 5>actually teenagers or just some of them are teenagers or

515
00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:22.160
<v Speaker 5>all of them or yeah.

516
00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:24.640
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was a bit unfair to label at teenagers,

517
00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:26.319
<v Speaker 2>and they just ran with it. I think it was

518
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:28.880
<v Speaker 2>like Fox News or someone. A couple major outlets and

519
00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:31.720
<v Speaker 2>a couple of big social media pages picked the story up,

520
00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:34.079
<v Speaker 2>and they all broadcasted it as teenagers. Of course, because

521
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:36.680
<v Speaker 2>they didn't have the information. When you say teenagers, you

522
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:40.319
<v Speaker 2>think like fourteen, fifteen years old. Now they're all eighteen

523
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:42.759
<v Speaker 2>and nineteen years old, and one of these teenagers is

524
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:46.440
<v Speaker 2>thirty four years old, I believe, so, yeah, they're of

525
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:50.640
<v Speaker 2>age that rate. I might be still a teenager, yeah yeah, yeah,

526
00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:51.480
<v Speaker 2>forever young.

527
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:52.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

528
00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, these these were older kids, and you know,

529
00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.279
<v Speaker 2>the decisions that they made during what was happening to

530
00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:01.039
<v Speaker 2>them were completely logical. And one of the things was

531
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:03.680
<v Speaker 2>crazy that you know, he actually discharged his gun in

532
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:06.759
<v Speaker 2>the direction of this shadowy figure that approached his camp

533
00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:10.319
<v Speaker 2>at night, and in fact, the other two guys discharged

534
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:14.960
<v Speaker 2>their pistols firing warning shots, so you know, there was

535
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.799
<v Speaker 2>a point where, you know, half of them were afraid

536
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:20.839
<v Speaker 2>and inside of one of the RVs and the other

537
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:23.039
<v Speaker 2>guys went to the other camp and that's where they

538
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:25.839
<v Speaker 2>had their encounter. So yeah, there was just a lot

539
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:27.640
<v Speaker 2>of it, just a lot of that stuff, but yeah,

540
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:28.519
<v Speaker 2>not teenagers.

541
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:30.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I thought that was a little unfair, and of

542
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:32.559
<v Speaker 5>course the media would do that to kind of, in

543
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:36.200
<v Speaker 5>a way subtly discredit the witnesses.

544
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Slightly correct, And there was another piece of it was

545
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:43.039
<v Speaker 2>like a major detail that was shared on the article.

546
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:47.759
<v Speaker 2>One of the girls was in her tent hearing this loud, deep,

547
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of thud sound, and when she described it to

548
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.200
<v Speaker 2>us on that call, she was saying that it kind

549
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:57.480
<v Speaker 2>of reminded her of like that deep chugging sound that

550
00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:00.680
<v Speaker 2>an engine trying to start up would make, which seems

551
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:02.920
<v Speaker 2>completely logical. I mean, we've all been in our tents

552
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:05.160
<v Speaker 2>hearing a weird sound that we're trying to make sense of,

553
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and that was her way to make sense of it.

554
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I guess they had disconnected a car's battery, so she

555
00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 2>was trying to rationalize, like, is that someone trying to

556
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:16.440
<v Speaker 2>start the car? You know, it's this deep loud thud

557
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>chug sound. And you know, she eventually put together that

558
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.839
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't that because it turned into a rhythmic knocking

559
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 2>as she described, So something was walking around camp doing

560
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.960
<v Speaker 2>really loud knocks and stuff, and that was taken out

561
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.200
<v Speaker 2>of context, you know, and a lot of the comments

562
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:34.599
<v Speaker 2>people were saying, oh, how could you mistaken a car

563
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.480
<v Speaker 2>starting for someone hitting a tree or doing a knock,

564
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:39.119
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And you know, if you

565
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:41.759
<v Speaker 2>don't have all the information, that's that's logically what you're

566
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.160
<v Speaker 2>going to come to. So I thought that was another

567
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:46.519
<v Speaker 2>piece of information that was taken out of context and

568
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:47.319
<v Speaker 2>a little bit unfair.

569
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.680
<v Speaker 5>Well yeah, I would leave it to the skeptics to

570
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 5>be taking things out of context, being a little bit

571
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:54.000
<v Speaker 5>unfair and not having all the information, right.

572
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:55.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

573
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:58.400
<v Speaker 2>Every time. That's a problem with these big media outlets

574
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:00.400
<v Speaker 2>when they put this stuff out there. You know, it

575
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:02.960
<v Speaker 2>never gets a good you never get the full story.

576
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:05.440
<v Speaker 2>It misses a lot of the details, and you know,

577
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:07.400
<v Speaker 2>it's just really easy for someone to read the article

578
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.079
<v Speaker 2>and go, ah, stupid teenagers, what are they talking about.

579
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.720
<v Speaker 5>This report on the BFRO site. And again I'm sure

580
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 5>Matt will put that in the show notes as well.

581
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:16.720
<v Speaker 5>Matt's been doing Matt Moneymaker's been doing a great job

582
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:20.160
<v Speaker 5>lately on his a variety of outlets, including his website obviously,

583
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 5>as well as a lot of the social media is

584
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.799
<v Speaker 5>where he's drawing maps and kind of zooming in showing

585
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.920
<v Speaker 5>the photographs and whatnot submitted by the witnesses. And one

586
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.119
<v Speaker 5>of the just one of the photographs that he shared

587
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:31.880
<v Speaker 5>on his site. I know there are others, or it's

588
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:33.799
<v Speaker 5>just a handprint on the car and all that jazz,

589
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.359
<v Speaker 5>but one of the photographs actually shows a possible footprint

590
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:39.680
<v Speaker 5>in the ground, and it doesn't look like much, And

591
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.000
<v Speaker 5>again I would expect skeptics to kind of write it off,

592
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:46.039
<v Speaker 5>but having seen quite a few sasquatch tracks out in

593
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 5>the wild, so to speak, in the ground, this is

594
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:50.440
<v Speaker 5>not a bad photograph at all. And it could very

595
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.039
<v Speaker 5>I can't say for sure if it is a sasquatch

596
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.079
<v Speaker 5>footprint or not, but it has it is actually pretty

597
00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:00.119
<v Speaker 5>decent looking track for the object that they're photographing, because

598
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.039
<v Speaker 5>tracks just simply do not show up well in photographs,

599
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.359
<v Speaker 5>but this one looks pretty good now. Having been to

600
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:07.319
<v Speaker 5>the site over the last couple of days, Jonathan, did

601
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:09.880
<v Speaker 5>you locate any other signs of the animals in the area,

602
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:10.880
<v Speaker 5>life footprints?

603
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>When I walked around, I found I want to say,

604
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand cow hoofs. There was so many cows,

605
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>so I did find deer prints and cowprints. I looked

606
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:24.079
<v Speaker 2>for bear, I looked for any other signs. I looked

607
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:27.480
<v Speaker 2>on trees or any thing that looked like it was

608
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>out of place, and I didn't find anything like that.

609
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>The ground, there are large patches that lend itself to

610
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:38.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, they would create great footprints if one were

611
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:41.200
<v Speaker 2>just step there. But a lot of the ground is

612
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.440
<v Speaker 2>kind of this, like knee high brush that you have

613
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.440
<v Speaker 2>to walk through, and you'd never find a footprint walking

614
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.960
<v Speaker 2>through there. I did take a lot of time looking

615
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 2>through that stuff, as well as you know, the road

616
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and other patches of loose dirt. But no, nothing, nothing

617
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>out of place other than their story. I was just

618
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:00.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, walking around and didn't find didn't find anything

619
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:01.480
<v Speaker 2>of significance.

620
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.559
<v Speaker 5>But of course it's been weeks now, weeks and weeks

621
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:06.279
<v Speaker 5>and weeks, so that's not all that surprising.

622
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.200
<v Speaker 2>It's been about a month and it on my way

623
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 2>up there. We had this like unforecasted rainstorm that just

624
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.720
<v Speaker 2>moved through, so it could have washed out anything. But

625
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>like I said, there were a lot of very fresh

626
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.400
<v Speaker 2>cow tracks and cow patties write in camp and all around.

627
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:27.240
<v Speaker 2>I was just surprised by how many, how much free

628
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:30.640
<v Speaker 2>range cattle was roaming around that area. I can hear them.

629
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean I haven't even gone over my audio recorder yet,

630
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:35.839
<v Speaker 2>but all night long you can hear cows going off.

631
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.759
<v Speaker 2>You can hear them going off in the distance up close.

632
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:43.279
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it was a lot of cows. Is this

633
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:44.039
<v Speaker 2>an active very?

634
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:44.319
<v Speaker 3>Are you?

635
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:47.559
<v Speaker 5>Weare of other reports within the general vicinity within a

636
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:51.039
<v Speaker 5>few miles or twenty miles or something. About four years ago,

637
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:52.359
<v Speaker 5>I spoke to a girl.

638
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>She was a makeup artist here in the Treasure Valley,

639
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:58.680
<v Speaker 2>and she starts telling me about this time that her

640
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 2>and her husband were in a place called New Meadows,

641
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.000
<v Speaker 2>which is I mean, it's literally the next town outside

642
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.839
<v Speaker 2>of where this area is. She had told me that

643
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.119
<v Speaker 2>they were watching someone scale a hillside, just walking along

644
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.119
<v Speaker 2>the hillside for a long distance, in a place completely

645
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:17.759
<v Speaker 2>off trail, in a place where they couldn't understand why

646
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.799
<v Speaker 2>this person dressed in all black was just walking and walking,

647
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:22.519
<v Speaker 2>and they watched it for two or three minutes, and

648
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.079
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't until it turned the corner into nowhere that

649
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>they both decided, oh my gosh, hold on, we might

650
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 2>have just seen a sasquatch. And her and her husband

651
00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:35.680
<v Speaker 2>very outdoorsy people, and they were completely convinced that what

652
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:39.759
<v Speaker 2>they saw was a sasquatch. There's another BFROL report right

653
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:44.079
<v Speaker 2>there in that lake. Two paddle borders were paddle boarding

654
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:47.359
<v Speaker 2>along and saw two figures on the shoreline there walking

655
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and they watched them for a pretty extensive amount of time,

656
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 2>so you'd think that they positively identified to them as

657
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 2>bigfoots and lower I want to say maybe if we

658
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.079
<v Speaker 2>were talking trying maybe a thirty five minute drive south.

659
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.599
<v Speaker 2>There was another report just east of the I'm sorry,

660
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.839
<v Speaker 2>just west of the Cascade area where someone had an

661
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:11.359
<v Speaker 2>encounter while they were camping or one of these things

662
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.880
<v Speaker 2>walked into camp. So there's plenty of reports around that area.

663
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:17.319
<v Speaker 2>You had a little further up toward like Loon Lake

664
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:20.640
<v Speaker 2>and the whole McCall area, there's been footprints and people

665
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:24.039
<v Speaker 2>have heard vocalizations and there's been siding. So this is

666
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:28.319
<v Speaker 2>an area that is familiar with the whole Bigfoot phenomenona.

667
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.400
<v Speaker 2>There's been plenty that's gone on up there, so this

668
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.359
<v Speaker 2>isn't really surprising that it's just another story that's going

669
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.319
<v Speaker 2>on in a place where there are many stories.

670
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.079
<v Speaker 3>Right, Did you ever find me of those?

671
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Nessa?

672
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:40.160
<v Speaker 3>So they were all around the camp.

673
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 2>I walked around and I looked, and I didn't find

674
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the ones that they took pictures of. But there was

675
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff that was really ambiguous, and I didn't,

676
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:51.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, stuff tree falls, the trees. I'm not a

677
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.640
<v Speaker 2>big structures guy, like it takes a lot to really

678
00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:56.880
<v Speaker 2>impress me with a structure, but I did look for

679
00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:58.839
<v Speaker 2>them just to try to identify it, and I couldn't

680
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:01.400
<v Speaker 2>find exactly what they took a picture of, and I

681
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.599
<v Speaker 2>didn't find anything out of place like that, So I

682
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:04.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't find any of that.

683
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:05.559
<v Speaker 4>You know.

684
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:07.039
<v Speaker 5>Well, looking at the map, one of the first thing

685
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:08.960
<v Speaker 5>that stands out to me about this general area is

686
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:10.559
<v Speaker 5>that it seems to me and correct me if I'm wrong.

687
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.240
<v Speaker 5>So I'm not looking at it on Google Earth. I'm

688
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.079
<v Speaker 5>looking at it on Google Maps right now that it

689
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.160
<v Speaker 5>seems to be on the east side of the slope,

690
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:16.839
<v Speaker 5>right would.

691
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:17.240
<v Speaker 4>That be correct.

692
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 2>It's almost kind of a plateau, and there are you know,

693
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.640
<v Speaker 2>the witnesses described whistles at one point, there was a

694
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:28.119
<v Speaker 2>there's a point where two of the girls were having

695
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:31.519
<v Speaker 2>an argument and this is in daytime, and her boyfriend

696
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>walks off into the brush and she kind of follows

697
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:39.400
<v Speaker 2>him and starts hearing these whistles and starts hearing things

698
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 2>move around in the brush. Ultimately, after, you know, after

699
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 2>everything happened, she's kind of felt that these things were

700
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 2>luring her further into the woods. But the reason I

701
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.640
<v Speaker 2>bring that up is because the acoustics of this area

702
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:56.160
<v Speaker 2>were incredible. I mean, the campfire crackling at night was

703
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.240
<v Speaker 2>you can hear it echo back to you like three

704
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.799
<v Speaker 2>different ways. So if she was hearing whistles all around,

705
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.799
<v Speaker 2>she described them as very, very loud. Matt asked her,

706
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:06.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, was it like a bird and she was like, no,

707
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:11.320
<v Speaker 2>absolutely not. It was like a huge, huge whistle. And

708
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I totally see what she's saying, because the acoustics there

709
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.639
<v Speaker 2>are incredible. You have sounds coming from both sides of

710
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.559
<v Speaker 2>the ridge. So on a map, maybe it might look

711
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.920
<v Speaker 2>like it's an eastern facing slope, but it's actually more

712
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.760
<v Speaker 2>of a plateau. Right after that there is a drop off.

713
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:28.440
<v Speaker 2>But I was hearing cows from what I think was

714
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 2>down in the valley, on the eastern Valley, and I

715
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>can also hear boats launching from the lake, which is

716
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.760
<v Speaker 2>about a mile away. I can hear people's voices from

717
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.800
<v Speaker 2>the lake. I could hear distant dogs barking. I mean,

718
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 2>anything that went on sound wise you can hear there.

719
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's a great spot if you're trying to hear

720
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:50.519
<v Speaker 2>a sasquatch or anything like that. That was, yeah, that

721
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.719
<v Speaker 2>was kind of it was it's this perfect spot for

722
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:54.320
<v Speaker 2>hearing what's around you.

723
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:56.840
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, you said that it's a great spot

724
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:59.159
<v Speaker 5>for trying to hear a sasquatch or anything like that.

725
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:01.199
<v Speaker 5>But also the op the exact opposite of that, I

726
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 5>think is something that's really interesting and often overlooked by researchers,

727
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:09.400
<v Speaker 5>that sasquatches want to hear you. Something I've noticed over many,

728
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.840
<v Speaker 5>many years, and this seems to hold not only with

729
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:14.719
<v Speaker 5>this report but with other reports, is that where sasquatches

730
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:18.280
<v Speaker 5>are often observed, there are it's very very quiet. The

731
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 5>acoustics are really something special in a place where sasquatches

732
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.800
<v Speaker 5>return to a lot, and they're very very quiet, and

733
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:29.639
<v Speaker 5>being in the area you can observe not visually, but

734
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:33.519
<v Speaker 5>you know by hearing, you can observe all your surroundings.

735
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.280
<v Speaker 5>Because mountain gorillas, for example, keep track of every other

736
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:41.320
<v Speaker 5>member of their troop by listening for them. And because

737
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:43.559
<v Speaker 5>they can't see through the plant life, they can't see

738
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:45.920
<v Speaker 5>through the jungle in which they live the thick forests,

739
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:49.360
<v Speaker 5>and sasquatches would be expected to be rather similar. I

740
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:54.159
<v Speaker 5>strongly suspect that when sasquatches are observing you, they're more

741
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:57.880
<v Speaker 5>often listening to you than actually looking at you. And

742
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.960
<v Speaker 5>so this area that you just describe seems perfect for

743
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:05.239
<v Speaker 5>such an observation post for sasquatches to hear what's going

744
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.119
<v Speaker 5>on all around them for maybe miles. If you can

745
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:11.360
<v Speaker 5>hear boats launching in the Lost Valley reservoir, it sounds

746
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.840
<v Speaker 5>like a perfect place for them.

747
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely. Now, like I said, the campfire crackling was

748
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:18.920
<v Speaker 2>just like I mean, if somebody was driving by on

749
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:21.679
<v Speaker 2>the main road, they probably would be able to hear it.

750
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.480
<v Speaker 2>It was that loud. Any clap I did, I did

751
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:28.079
<v Speaker 2>a couple you know, vocalizations, and was just incredibly surprised

752
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 2>by how far they carried and how many times they

753
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>echoed back too. And there was another aspect to it

754
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 2>is that there's a little kind of a ridge that

755
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 2>slowly rises on the east side of the camp and

756
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:44.280
<v Speaker 2>it is the perfect place for using like a thermal

757
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 2>imager and looking through these trees, like if something if

758
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.280
<v Speaker 2>I were to try to hide and kind of creep

759
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.559
<v Speaker 2>in on some campers, I would be able to do

760
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.760
<v Speaker 2>it in the daylight, very very easy. But at night,

761
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:57.920
<v Speaker 2>if somebody tried to creep in and I had a

762
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.199
<v Speaker 2>thermal imager, I'd totally be able to see it. So

763
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.679
<v Speaker 2>as far as a big footing spot, it's great. It's

764
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.559
<v Speaker 2>giving sasquatch the higher ground to move in and you

765
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:09.840
<v Speaker 2>can see right through the trees perfectly. It reminded me

766
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.159
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the Blue Mountains, really lush and green,

767
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.280
<v Speaker 2>but you know, not too hard to get around and

768
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:17.119
<v Speaker 2>walk through the trees and the meadows.

769
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:19.719
<v Speaker 5>Would this technically be part of the Blue Mountains? I

770
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.599
<v Speaker 5>mean it's south southeast of the wallahwas, but it was

771
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.039
<v Speaker 5>this technically part of the Blues. I don't really understand

772
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.159
<v Speaker 5>where one stops and where one starts you know.

773
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:31.360
<v Speaker 2>It looks like it there's a highway that kind of

774
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:35.559
<v Speaker 2>divides everything, but it looks like almost like I don't

775
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:37.800
<v Speaker 2>know how to describe it, almost like a deltoid where

776
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:41.039
<v Speaker 2>it moved me. The Blue Mountains kind of taper off.

777
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:42.760
<v Speaker 2>There's a road that runs through there, and then the

778
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Speaker 2>mountains start right back up again. So I would think

779
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 2>that it's the same exact environment, probably the same kind

780
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.360
<v Speaker 2>of trees. It look the same. I've been in a

781
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of different places. Each place has a really que

782
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, unique characteristics in its landscape, and this reminded

783
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.039
<v Speaker 2>me exactly of the Blue Mountains. Very interesting.

784
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:06.400
<v Speaker 5>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

785
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 5>Will be right back after these messages. So with the

786
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:20.719
<v Speaker 5>report in general, you feel this is a totally legit report,

787
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:24.159
<v Speaker 5>I'm assuming, right, yeah. I mean I'm very skeptical of people.

788
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 5>I'm not skeptical of Bigfoot, but I'm always skeptical of people,

789
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 5>And in my head I always form a kind of

790
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.280
<v Speaker 5>defense of the story and also like a prosecution of

791
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:35.519
<v Speaker 5>the story. You know, I do bring up every red

792
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.159
<v Speaker 5>flag I can think of, and when you can discredit

793
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:41.199
<v Speaker 5>away every red flag, well, then you've got a pretty

794
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:44.280
<v Speaker 5>good story on your hands. And you know, a large

795
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:48.599
<v Speaker 5>percentage of this story sounds legitimate. So as of now,

796
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:51.719
<v Speaker 5>I'm totally on board with it. I also try to

797
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:55.639
<v Speaker 5>think of the like ten people getting together to make

798
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.679
<v Speaker 5>up a story with this level of detail about sasquatch

799
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.280
<v Speaker 5>visiting their camp and why why would you do that?

800
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:07.239
<v Speaker 5>You know, But as far as the details, you know,

801
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.840
<v Speaker 5>going there, seeing the landscape, it's completely plausible. It's a

802
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:14.360
<v Speaker 5>perfect place for all of that to happen. So I'm

803
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:17.599
<v Speaker 5>on board with this story. And you know, there are

804
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.000
<v Speaker 5>a few little details, like I'm making a video about

805
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.599
<v Speaker 5>this that I should have maybe by the time this airs,

806
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.280
<v Speaker 5>but from speaking right now, it's going to be like

807
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:26.280
<v Speaker 5>a week and a half or so.

808
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to put this video out. And one of

809
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.639
<v Speaker 2>the things that I do show is that, you know,

810
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 2>for example, a handprint on the back of the suv

811
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:37.239
<v Speaker 2>that they have there. You know, they're not saying a sasquatch,

812
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:38.880
<v Speaker 2>but they're saying, look at this. I don't know how

813
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.400
<v Speaker 2>we got this handprint on there. Maybe it was sasquatch,

814
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:45.559
<v Speaker 2>and for myself speaking, hell, maybe it was. But you know,

815
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I do show you how handprints appear on vehicles. And

816
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:51.599
<v Speaker 2>before I left my driveway, I filmed myself putting a

817
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:54.519
<v Speaker 2>nice handprint on the back of my clean windshield and

818
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:57.440
<v Speaker 2>then driving all the way up there. And then the

819
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.559
<v Speaker 2>next morning, after driving on a dusty road, lo and hey,

820
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.960
<v Speaker 2>there's my handprint. It looks like something visited overnight and

821
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:05.239
<v Speaker 2>put a handprint on my vehicle.

822
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:06.800
<v Speaker 3>So, so's the problem.

823
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Who's the problem here? Abby or Bailey the problem?

824
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

825
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.360
<v Speaker 3>The girls were fighting and arguing.

826
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 2>It's not like both of them. I don't know, I

827
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:21.559
<v Speaker 2>do know what they're argued about. That's the real mystery here. Yeah. Yeah,

828
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:25.119
<v Speaker 2>But whatever argument that was that led Kiara to walk

829
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.039
<v Speaker 2>over into the brush and have that experience that she had.

830
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, she walked into the bushes, I had this argument,

831
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:35.280
<v Speaker 2>walked over into the the forest line, and you know,

832
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.480
<v Speaker 2>started hearing these whistles and seeing movement around her, and

833
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 2>she initially thought it was her boyfriend. Turns out he

834
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:43.920
<v Speaker 2>had already walked back to camp and was kind of

835
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>waiting around for her, and she was walking in this circle.

836
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.880
<v Speaker 2>She describes being led around by whistles and movement, and

837
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:53.719
<v Speaker 2>when she got back, you know, there was a boyfriend,

838
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.320
<v Speaker 2>so good thing, they argued, Maybe that's what we need.

839
00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:57.559
<v Speaker 2>More arguments in camp.

840
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:00.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe more stellings on funning bigfoot.

841
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:05.239
<v Speaker 5>If that was the case, I think the Bigfoot community

842
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.280
<v Speaker 5>in general would have more sightings if that was the case.

843
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:11.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, did that baby act any different? Did they notice

844
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.519
<v Speaker 3>any difference with the baby acting if the thing was

845
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:14.119
<v Speaker 3>around or not.

846
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:17.599
<v Speaker 2>They didn't really mention much of the baby. Yeah, they

847
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:19.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't mention much of the baby. But you know, it's

848
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.880
<v Speaker 2>not the first time people bring babies and stuff pops up.

849
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you were there, Bobo, but I

850
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.199
<v Speaker 2>know Cliff was. But when, like Bart Katino had his sighting,

851
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.079
<v Speaker 2>I know that speaking to him, he attributes a baby

852
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:33.880
<v Speaker 2>crying leading to his sighting at California camp. That was

853
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:37.559
<v Speaker 2>a yeah, see, so bring your babies into the woods

854
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.360
<v Speaker 2>and have arguments with your friends. You know. That seems

855
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:43.400
<v Speaker 2>to be the new standard to have a sasquatch experience.

856
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.480
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you know this, Jonathan, but the

857
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:48.320
<v Speaker 5>same night Bart saw that sasquatch, Bobo ran into it

858
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:50.440
<v Speaker 5>as well while he was taking a dump away from camp.

859
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that, No way, I did

860
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:53.519
<v Speaker 2>not know that I was.

861
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:55.320
<v Speaker 3>Trying to keep this classy and up bring it up.

862
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:59.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was a leave it to me then it

863
00:41:59.440 --> 00:41:59.840
<v Speaker 4>is about it.

864
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.000
<v Speaker 3>I think it was maybe like twenty minutes after this happened,

865
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.000
<v Speaker 3>like I had to go, and I was like I

866
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.360
<v Speaker 3>walked out like a couple hundred yards back and like

867
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.800
<v Speaker 3>dug a hole, and I was squatted down, and all

868
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:14.480
<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, just this big like boom boom boom

869
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.440
<v Speaker 3>running at me coming up this little this little draw

870
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:18.920
<v Speaker 3>kind of like in Pitch Black.

871
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:20.840
<v Speaker 4>And I was like, I was so mad.

872
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.840
<v Speaker 3>I was like, dude, give me a freaking break. I'm

873
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.719
<v Speaker 3>trying to like this is going against the bro code,

874
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:29.639
<v Speaker 3>Like you know, Scoot I would have squatted down, you know,

875
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.679
<v Speaker 3>do his bis. You gotta like wait till I'm done

876
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:34.159
<v Speaker 3>and walking back then you can mess with me. And

877
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:37.159
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I forgetbout yell you'll like I said,

878
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:41.199
<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, damn, I'm taking a ship, like quick, get

879
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:43.280
<v Speaker 3>out of here. You know that it stopped like it

880
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Speaker 3>just stopped like with no like slowt I was just

881
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.199
<v Speaker 3>it was like full sprinting like it was coming fast

882
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.199
<v Speaker 3>and it was big and loud in like the ground

883
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:51.440
<v Speaker 3>like you should have boom boom.

884
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:52.679
<v Speaker 4>I mean it was big.

885
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.239
<v Speaker 3>And it came run up and I yelled, it just

886
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:57.079
<v Speaker 3>stopped and everything else.

887
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow, yeah, you're you're most vulnerable position. That's when he

888
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:02.840
<v Speaker 2>decides to jump out at you. Great.

889
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 3>They came around our tents. I was with Jamie Jada,

890
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:08.800
<v Speaker 3>same guy that was with me when when Bart Laos

891
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:10.559
<v Speaker 3>Cap when we saw the one in lust Cap Jamie

892
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:12.079
<v Speaker 3>j I was. I was in the tent with him

893
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.239
<v Speaker 3>and is hit his nine month old son in there,

894
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.840
<v Speaker 3>So we had the baby in there and the thing

895
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.519
<v Speaker 3>they were walking back and forth. They were like rubbing,

896
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:21.480
<v Speaker 3>They're running their fingers down the tent, like we could

897
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:25.559
<v Speaker 3>hear them mumbling like you know, you like pitter powder,

898
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:27.719
<v Speaker 3>back and forth like like there was there was definitely

899
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:29.559
<v Speaker 3>some smaller ones that were in there too, Like it

900
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:32.400
<v Speaker 3>wasn't just a big one. We heard two which sounded

901
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:33.400
<v Speaker 3>like smaller ones.

902
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I see. Was that at lawser California.

903
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Then I was at the California camp.

904
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, oh wow yeah.

905
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:41.960
<v Speaker 5>So I guess the lesson is bring your babies out,

906
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.199
<v Speaker 5>argue with it while you're pooping, and you'll probably see

907
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:44.840
<v Speaker 5>a sasquatch.

908
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Dude, I'm gonna try that next time. Do you have

909
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:49.639
<v Speaker 2>a baby, I can find one.

910
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.159
<v Speaker 5>That's not a good look to be arguing with babies.

911
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:56.920
<v Speaker 2>No, No, they always win to you always lose the argument. Yeah,

912
00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:58.079
<v Speaker 2>they're just too cute.

913
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:00.679
<v Speaker 5>We encourage all of our listeners to go read that

914
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:02.719
<v Speaker 5>report again. The link is in the show notes. Go

915
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:04.800
<v Speaker 5>check it out. It's a very recent report from a

916
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:09.320
<v Speaker 5>very cool area. It's been investigated on site by Jonathan. So, yeah,

917
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.960
<v Speaker 5>I think the bow has been put on it, as

918
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.599
<v Speaker 5>it's been said. But Jonathan, this is the first time

919
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:16.079
<v Speaker 5>you've been on Bigfoot and beyond. Why don't we learn

920
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:18.039
<v Speaker 5>a little bit about you. How long have you been

921
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.000
<v Speaker 5>doing this? Because I've heard your name tossed around. You

922
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.239
<v Speaker 5>must have been doing this around for a while. I mean,

923
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.960
<v Speaker 5>you must be pretty well entrenched into the Bigfoot community.

924
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:25.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

925
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing the whole Bigfoot thing for about twelve

926
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.239
<v Speaker 2>or so years, and I started the channel, I want

927
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 2>to say, about seven years ago. And you know, I

928
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:36.159
<v Speaker 2>don't bombard my channel with a bunch of videos. It's

929
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of a slow process. But my channel is about

930
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:43.199
<v Speaker 2>the search for evidence in the Pacific Northwest. Might try

931
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:45.519
<v Speaker 2>to take you along to places. Maybe you haven't seen,

932
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:48.159
<v Speaker 2>but you should see and hang out with a lot

933
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:50.199
<v Speaker 2>of researchers that you never heard of that you should

934
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:53.719
<v Speaker 2>hear about. The reason I started the channel is because

935
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.079
<v Speaker 2>I noticed that there were these amazing places that you

936
00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.920
<v Speaker 2>could just not find on YouTube or any you know,

937
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:03.559
<v Speaker 2>history channel documentary. A couple examples would be, you know,

938
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:05.719
<v Speaker 2>we've all heard the story of oh, Jerry Crewe. You

939
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:08.480
<v Speaker 2>know he named Bigfoot, and then it just moves on

940
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:10.480
<v Speaker 2>in the story. But there was a lot more to

941
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Jerry Crewe. And if I can take a person there

942
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.920
<v Speaker 2>to the exact spot where Jerry crewe cassette footprint, well

943
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.400
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty awesome. A lot of people are very interested

944
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 2>in seeing stuff like that. The Paul Freeman film site,

945
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.880
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find anything on YouTube, Cliff, outside of your

946
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:29.880
<v Speaker 2>patreon a video and your Patreon, there was nothing out there.

947
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you had Michael Freeman's book, but video wise,

948
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.519
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find the Paul Freeman film site anywhere. And

949
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.719
<v Speaker 2>if I can show up there run people through the siding.

950
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:43.119
<v Speaker 2>I did measurements to the best of my ability and

951
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.239
<v Speaker 2>just give people a better picture of what happened to

952
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Paul Freeman that day. Well then mission accomplish. That's what

953
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I did with my Freeman film, with my Freeman video.

954
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.400
<v Speaker 2>And you know, there's plenty of these researchers that you know,

955
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:57.920
<v Speaker 2>they deserve to be shown to people. A lot of

956
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.440
<v Speaker 2>people would it would be a good bench fit to

957
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.199
<v Speaker 2>people to watch, you know how people like the Robert

958
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Laterman's of the world, you know, handle investigations and stuff

959
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:11.440
<v Speaker 2>because you know, you don't see him on the History Channel,

960
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:13.480
<v Speaker 2>you don't see him on a lot of featured on

961
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.079
<v Speaker 2>on a lot of things, you know, and there's a

962
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:18.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of people just like that. The Bluff Creek Project guys.

963
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.480
<v Speaker 2>I do a lot of work in Bluff Creek, and

964
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:23.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, I kind of bounce around a lot. I

965
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:28.480
<v Speaker 2>have videos in Washington, California, here in Idaho, a little

966
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:30.280
<v Speaker 2>bit all over the place. But I kind of try

967
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:33.480
<v Speaker 2>to go along with these stories and you can see

968
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:35.039
<v Speaker 2>the Bigfoot world through my eyes.

969
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:35.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

970
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:36.280
<v Speaker 9>How many?

971
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:37.360
<v Speaker 3>How many things have you done?

972
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 7>Jonathan?

973
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:38.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

974
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I think I got like, I think thirteen to fifteen

975
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.400
<v Speaker 2>something like that. But my videos are mostly like they

976
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.679
<v Speaker 2>run between you know, thirty minutes to an hour, and

977
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:49.199
<v Speaker 2>one thing I try to do is I try to

978
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:53.719
<v Speaker 2>keep them real cinematic entertaining, and I work with a

979
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:56.639
<v Speaker 2>lot of different people as far as like you know,

980
00:46:56.840 --> 00:46:58.960
<v Speaker 2>I've gone out on expeditions with like the small Town

981
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 2>Monsters guys. I mentioned the Bluff Creek project in this

982
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:03.559
<v Speaker 2>recent one. I was up at Bumping Lake, like we

983
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:06.159
<v Speaker 2>were talking about just a little bit ago, and I

984
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.480
<v Speaker 2>have this Mount Rainier video and you know, I'm very

985
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:12.639
<v Speaker 2>thankful just hit a million views, So that's a that's

986
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:16.000
<v Speaker 2>a good thing. And yeah, it's awesome, dude. And you know,

987
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I feature not just stuff that happens to me, but

988
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.719
<v Speaker 2>also the people that I interview and their evidence that

989
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.280
<v Speaker 2>they're willing to share. So, for example, I was up

990
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:28.519
<v Speaker 2>in Mount Rainier. I'm sorry it's called Mount Rainier Sasquatch,

991
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:30.480
<v Speaker 2>but we were out in the out spirits at Bumping

992
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Lake and right there at California Camp. You know, we

993
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:36.239
<v Speaker 2>had spent the night and in the morning we kind

994
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.360
<v Speaker 2>of walked back in there and we just had these

995
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:43.239
<v Speaker 2>super super loud rock clacks and they happened very consistently,

996
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:45.639
<v Speaker 2>and it was over the course of like two and

997
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.639
<v Speaker 2>a half hours where we were chasing around whatever was

998
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:51.639
<v Speaker 2>making these rock clacks. And as soon as we would

999
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:55.360
<v Speaker 2>get close to it, you'd hear bam, smash boom, and

1000
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.079
<v Speaker 2>it would move and then it would start clacking rocks again.

1001
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.519
<v Speaker 2>And you know that back there behind California Camp, it's

1002
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:05.719
<v Speaker 2>so thick that you know, you can't take two steps,

1003
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 2>you take one step. You got to step over a log,

1004
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:10.639
<v Speaker 2>step down from a log onto a rock, you know.

1005
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's really slow moving back there, and whatever was

1006
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:16.039
<v Speaker 2>moving back there was moving real quick. And it's kind

1007
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.079
<v Speaker 2>of funny because after we recorded and heard all of

1008
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:21.599
<v Speaker 2>these rock clacks, we got back home only to find

1009
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.559
<v Speaker 2>out that there was a BFRO expedition two weeks that

1010
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:27.599
<v Speaker 2>was there two weeks prior to us. They have the

1011
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:31.480
<v Speaker 2>exact same raw clacks recorded, and we're doing the exact

1012
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:34.400
<v Speaker 2>same thing that we were. There's also other things like

1013
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I interviewed it a gentleman named Kristin Jolton who has

1014
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.440
<v Speaker 2>some of the best assquatch recordings that I've ever heard.

1015
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.559
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I personally like them more than the Sierra sounds,

1016
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:45.920
<v Speaker 2>just because we can visit the location and talk to

1017
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:48.119
<v Speaker 2>the person. These are a lot newer. They're only from

1018
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:50.880
<v Speaker 2>just a few years ago, and now there are these

1019
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:56.039
<v Speaker 2>long singing vocals coming from different directions, from multiple individuals,

1020
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:58.199
<v Speaker 2>and I've had a lot of people tell me, you know,

1021
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe in Bigfoot. I don't think any things

1022
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.440
<v Speaker 2>out there, but when I hear these recordings, it really

1023
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.880
<v Speaker 2>changes my mind and they've become interested, which is my goal.

1024
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:10.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, things like these vocalizations, researchers going out recording things.

1025
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:14.239
<v Speaker 2>You don't see these things a lot on YouTube or

1026
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.679
<v Speaker 2>on any any other channel, any other platform. So I

1027
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:21.039
<v Speaker 2>like to bring all that stuff to people. I filmed

1028
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.960
<v Speaker 2>part two of that Mount Rainier. It's called Return of

1029
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.559
<v Speaker 2>the mount Rainier Sasquatch, and it should be out within

1030
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:29.360
<v Speaker 2>a month or so. And in that, you know, I

1031
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.719
<v Speaker 2>sat down with other researchers, like the study Sasquatch guys.

1032
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:34.760
<v Speaker 2>I think they're got there like the best thing that's

1033
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.239
<v Speaker 2>going for Bigfoot research right now. Oh yeah, yeah. I

1034
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.280
<v Speaker 2>interviewed them about their cameras that they developed, their thermal

1035
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:44.000
<v Speaker 2>imaging cameras that they can set out there for a

1036
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.920
<v Speaker 2>couple months at a time, and they're they're recording nightlife

1037
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:50.079
<v Speaker 2>in a way that I've never seen before. I mean,

1038
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:53.119
<v Speaker 2>they have things like an owl jumping down after a

1039
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:56.360
<v Speaker 2>flying squirrel that you set on night and crystal clear

1040
00:49:56.360 --> 00:50:00.199
<v Speaker 2>and thermal imatures, you know, so it's it's really interesting.

1041
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:04.400
<v Speaker 2>We also show their methods as well as our methods,

1042
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, like walking the roads at night, and their

1043
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:12.480
<v Speaker 2>use of technology, both audio and visually is superior to

1044
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:15.239
<v Speaker 2>anybody that I've ever I've ever worked with, and I

1045
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.480
<v Speaker 2>do show that. I sit down and interview them and

1046
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.679
<v Speaker 2>talk to them about it. But yeah, it's a real

1047
00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:23.280
<v Speaker 2>neat thing. I'm just trying to bring all that to

1048
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the forefront, showing the best research that's going on, bringing

1049
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:31.199
<v Speaker 2>that to people's homes so they can watch it for free.

1050
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:35.320
<v Speaker 5>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

1051
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:37.320
<v Speaker 5>We'll be right back after these messages.

1052
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:46.719
<v Speaker 2>There's all these compelling stories for Bigfoot, for the existence

1053
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:49.519
<v Speaker 2>of Bigfoot, and that's what I try to get out

1054
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:51.679
<v Speaker 2>there through my videos. I want people to watch my

1055
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.719
<v Speaker 2>videos and you know, say, wow, it's not a bunch

1056
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.320
<v Speaker 2>of crazy people running in the woods. You know, these

1057
00:50:57.320 --> 00:50:59.519
<v Speaker 2>people are legit and they're really seeing things.

1058
00:50:59.599 --> 00:50:59.800
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1059
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Of course we are a bunch of really crazy people

1060
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 2>running around in the woods, but I don't want to.

1061
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:07.239
<v Speaker 5>But it's not why we're crazy. Is the point exactly correct?

1062
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:07.760
<v Speaker 2>There we go.

1063
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.920
<v Speaker 5>So you've been to the Patterson side, obviously, you've been

1064
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 5>to the Freeman's site. You've been interviewing various researchers that

1065
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.280
<v Speaker 5>you respect. Do you have a wish list of things

1066
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.119
<v Speaker 5>that you want to get to or any plans for

1067
00:51:19.159 --> 00:51:21.360
<v Speaker 5>the summer. I mean it's squatching season right now. So

1068
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:23.159
<v Speaker 5>what are your plans for the summer as far as

1069
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:25.159
<v Speaker 5>your your next videos that you want to make or

1070
00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:26.559
<v Speaker 5>things that you want to try to get.

1071
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, So one of my things is I'm going

1072
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.000
<v Speaker 2>to be back in Bluff Creek in a few weeks.

1073
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:34.119
<v Speaker 2>I have a series of interviews that I've already recorded

1074
00:51:34.119 --> 00:51:37.440
<v Speaker 2>with people like Thomas Steinberg, Dustin Severs that wrote The

1075
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Abominable Snowman of California, and other people like Inker, a

1076
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 2>shaman for the Hoopa tribe, you know, and I paint

1077
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.440
<v Speaker 2>this really good picture of everything that happened there in

1078
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:53.199
<v Speaker 2>the logging area. That was my goal to put this

1079
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:56.480
<v Speaker 2>documentary out called The Legend of Bluff Creek that covers

1080
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 2>everything that happened in the logging era, which I'm fast

1081
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:03.599
<v Speaker 2>in with over there. And aside from that, my plan

1082
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:05.199
<v Speaker 2>is to do a bunch of Idaho stuff. This is

1083
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.639
<v Speaker 2>gonna be the summer of Idaho stuff. I have at

1084
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 2>least three witnesses lined up that I'm going to go

1085
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:12.000
<v Speaker 2>out into the field with and camp where they had

1086
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.559
<v Speaker 2>their experiences. Just one of them was just last year,

1087
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:18.760
<v Speaker 2>where it was a girl who went camping, came back

1088
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:20.760
<v Speaker 2>home and was telling her mom, You're not going to

1089
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:23.679
<v Speaker 2>believe this. We're camping and the weirdest thing happened. You know,

1090
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:26.119
<v Speaker 2>I had these rocks thrown over my head into the river.

1091
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:28.440
<v Speaker 2>And she's going, well, what do you mean? She goes,

1092
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know how somebody could have

1093
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:32.039
<v Speaker 2>been there. It doesn't make any sense to me. But

1094
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:35.119
<v Speaker 2>we watched several rocks go over our heads out into

1095
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:38.800
<v Speaker 2>the river, and she had no idea that this was

1096
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:42.360
<v Speaker 2>something that's affiliated to Sasquatch until her dad started thinking

1097
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:43.960
<v Speaker 2>and going, you know, I think I've seen this on

1098
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:46.719
<v Speaker 2>some show before or something like that, sort of telling

1099
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:48.800
<v Speaker 2>her does this sound familiar? And they looked it up

1100
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:50.679
<v Speaker 2>and they're going, oh my gosh. So of course they

1101
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:52.599
<v Speaker 2>come and tell me about it, and I'm trying to

1102
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:55.039
<v Speaker 2>organize getting out there with them. There was another person

1103
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:58.760
<v Speaker 2>that had an encounter with something far off in the

1104
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.039
<v Speaker 2>distance that was I sh that was just way too

1105
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:03.599
<v Speaker 2>tall to be a bear. So yeah, I'm working on

1106
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:05.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Idaho stuff this summer, as well as

1107
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the Bluff Creek stuff. I do plan to get out

1108
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.880
<v Speaker 2>to Washington and film out there, probably with the study

1109
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Sasquatch guys. I do plan to return to places like

1110
00:53:13.960 --> 00:53:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Bumping Lake and other places that are on the outskirts

1111
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.840
<v Speaker 2>of Mount Rainier. So it's going to be a busy,

1112
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.119
<v Speaker 2>busy summer. This is probably gonna be the busiest summer

1113
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that I've ever had as far as doing content and

1114
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:27.079
<v Speaker 2>getting out to places and researching. And you know, I

1115
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:32.079
<v Speaker 2>am a researcher first and consider myself filmmaker later. Like

1116
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.239
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't even be making videos about anything if it

1117
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.039
<v Speaker 2>wasn't for Bigfoot, Like that's.

1118
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.480
<v Speaker 3>My aren't you trained in film?

1119
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:42.000
<v Speaker 2>No? No, no, no, that's the thing with me. I

1120
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:46.559
<v Speaker 2>learned everything I learned just to put out Bigfoot documentaries.

1121
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Like it was so important to me to put out

1122
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:52.760
<v Speaker 2>good information for people that were kind of like me

1123
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.199
<v Speaker 2>when I got into the subject. I mean, I was

1124
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:57.599
<v Speaker 2>lucky I had a show called Finding Bigfoot to watch

1125
00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:00.079
<v Speaker 2>and there was a lot of Monster Quest stuff going on,

1126
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:03.440
<v Speaker 2>and you know, those shows haven't been on for a while,

1127
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.079
<v Speaker 2>and you know, there has to be something to fill

1128
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the void. There has to be. There's a lot of

1129
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:11.199
<v Speaker 2>great podcasts, there are a few great channels out there

1130
00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:14.880
<v Speaker 2>that put out documentaries, but I just felt that they

1131
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.559
<v Speaker 2>weren't touching on the things that I thought were most interesting,

1132
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:20.159
<v Speaker 2>and that made a very compelling case for the existence

1133
00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:20.679
<v Speaker 2>of Bigfoot.

1134
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:21.840
<v Speaker 3>You're welcome.

1135
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

1136
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:26.199
<v Speaker 5>Thinking well, you're doing in the right order, you see,

1137
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.880
<v Speaker 5>because what I think the fault with the modern culture

1138
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:32.920
<v Speaker 5>is that they decide to be an influencer first, and

1139
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.039
<v Speaker 5>then oh what could I Oh big I like Bigfoot,

1140
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:38.159
<v Speaker 5>I'll do that, Whereas I think the correct order is

1141
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:41.800
<v Speaker 5>be a bigfooter first and then later, oh I could

1142
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:44.960
<v Speaker 5>probably make a video on this and maybe somebody will care.

1143
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:47.039
<v Speaker 5>You know, if you do what you love, good things

1144
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:49.840
<v Speaker 5>will follow, instead of trying to say, well, I need followers,

1145
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:52.400
<v Speaker 5>what do I need to do? Oh, Bigfoot's a small pool.

1146
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:54.320
<v Speaker 5>I can be a big fish there. And that's that

1147
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:56.320
<v Speaker 5>seems to be the order that too many people are

1148
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:59.320
<v Speaker 5>going in nowadays. In my opinion, So kudos to you,

1149
00:54:59.400 --> 00:54:59.760
<v Speaker 5>my friend.

1150
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you very much. Yeah yeah, now, I see

1151
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:04.559
<v Speaker 2>it a lot, and you know, I definitely try to

1152
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:07.559
<v Speaker 2>differentiate myself from those those types.

1153
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:11.599
<v Speaker 5>Right Well, I actually I may be down in Bluff

1154
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:15.239
<v Speaker 5>Creek actually, so i'll see. I'll get some dates of

1155
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:16.679
<v Speaker 5>when you're going to be down there. Maybe we can

1156
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:18.719
<v Speaker 5>rendezvous if I happen to be down there the same

1157
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:20.760
<v Speaker 5>week as you. I've got some things I need to

1158
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.400
<v Speaker 5>do down there at the Willow Creek Museum. They're giving

1159
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:25.599
<v Speaker 5>me access to some of their casts that have never

1160
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:28.000
<v Speaker 5>been copied before. So I'm going to go down there

1161
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.039
<v Speaker 5>and spend some time down there in the next month,

1162
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:32.559
<v Speaker 5>hopefully if I can break away from my obligations up here.

1163
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, let me know. There's a lot. Hopefully we

1164
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:37.239
<v Speaker 2>meet up there. There's a lot i'd want to show you.

1165
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 2>We've been going there for I want to say, like

1166
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.320
<v Speaker 2>seven or eight years now, and I know you guys

1167
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.440
<v Speaker 2>have tons of stories, but I have a few of

1168
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:47.920
<v Speaker 2>my own, you know, hearing vocalizations that I've I heard

1169
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:50.679
<v Speaker 2>some of the craziest vocalizations that I've ever heard at

1170
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.599
<v Speaker 2>Layered Meadow. So there's a lot of there's a lot

1171
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:56.400
<v Speaker 2>of things like that. I'd want to show you that recorded.

1172
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.039
<v Speaker 2>We all had audio running, but the screens were so

1173
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:03.519
<v Speaker 2>distant and faint that nobody could pick it up. I mean,

1174
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:06.920
<v Speaker 2>we sent it to everyone we know that can that

1175
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.159
<v Speaker 2>can sift through audio, and they couldn't get it. Chris

1176
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Spencer couldn't get it. So yeah, but it was it was.

1177
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:17.719
<v Speaker 2>It was these long vocalizations that went on for like

1178
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:20.039
<v Speaker 2>twenty seconds each, and it sounded like a guy on

1179
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:23.400
<v Speaker 2>a roller coaster going up and down and up and down,

1180
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:26.800
<v Speaker 2>and there was so distant that you almost thought that

1181
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.480
<v Speaker 2>they were in your head until I confirmed it with Alex.

1182
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:31.079
<v Speaker 2>He goes you hearing this too, I go, yeah, dude,

1183
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I hear this. And then the other group right about

1184
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:36.800
<v Speaker 2>a mile away radios to us describing the exact same vocalization,

1185
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:38.360
<v Speaker 2>so they were hearing it too, but it was just

1186
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:42.159
<v Speaker 2>so quiet and so faint that our audio recorders unfortunately

1187
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:44.559
<v Speaker 2>did not pick him up. So it's just another story

1188
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:47.519
<v Speaker 2>in the bank. But I have recorded a vocalization there

1189
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:50.559
<v Speaker 2>the year prior to that, so and it came from

1190
00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:53.079
<v Speaker 2>the exact same direction. It's up on the hill away

1191
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:55.440
<v Speaker 2>from layered meadow. And that's the most beautiful thing about

1192
00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Bluff Creek is that you know you have stuff going

1193
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.800
<v Speaker 2>on there in the Golden era, big footing in the sixties,

1194
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:05.360
<v Speaker 2>and you know you still have stuff going on there today,

1195
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:07.079
<v Speaker 2>and it makes you really feel like you're a part

1196
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:08.639
<v Speaker 2>of history. If you go up there to that Bluff

1197
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Creek area and you know your history, it's like an

1198
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:15.480
<v Speaker 2>outdoor museum, and an outdoor museum where stuff still happening

1199
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:18.559
<v Speaker 2>in the same exact places we've had. Stuff happened exactly

1200
00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:22.360
<v Speaker 2>where Jerry Crew cast the Bigfoot track. So yeah, it's

1201
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:24.239
<v Speaker 2>this is such a cool connection. Makes you feel like

1202
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:26.599
<v Speaker 2>you're all just part of that history.

1203
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:29.719
<v Speaker 5>Seeing the nineteen fifty eight on the Notice Creek bridge

1204
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:31.519
<v Speaker 5>really drove it home for me back in the day

1205
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:34.000
<v Speaker 5>when I started going there in the mid nineties or whatever,

1206
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:35.840
<v Speaker 5>It's like, oh, yeah, look at that nineteen fifty eight.

1207
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:38.119
<v Speaker 5>I bet Jerry Crew built this bridge, and sure enough

1208
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:41.280
<v Speaker 5>he did. Actually, once I became more knowledgeable about the

1209
00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:44.199
<v Speaker 5>history back in the day, it's like, oh yeah, that's

1210
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:45.960
<v Speaker 5>where Jerry was of course, So.

1211
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:47.960
<v Speaker 2>It's so cool. And I mean we were even up

1212
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.800
<v Speaker 2>near Layered at a little cutout there and we found

1213
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:54.360
<v Speaker 2>pieces of heavy machinery and when you kind of rub

1214
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:56.320
<v Speaker 2>the rust off a little bit, you see the date,

1215
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.760
<v Speaker 2>and the date was nineteen fifty one, and you see

1216
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:01.559
<v Speaker 2>that on one of my videos. So we found machinery

1217
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:04.920
<v Speaker 2>from the golden era of the logging the logging times

1218
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.400
<v Speaker 2>up there, and that's just really neat to me. That's

1219
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:08.039
<v Speaker 2>very cool.

1220
00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:10.119
<v Speaker 5>And since you're familiar with Laired Meadow, you know a

1221
00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:12.880
<v Speaker 5>little pond right there by the only real campsite there

1222
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:13.440
<v Speaker 5>is in the area.

1223
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Now, it's exactly where we found this heavy machinery pieces.

1224
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:20.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that pond is where Bob Titmas got the handprint

1225
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:22.159
<v Speaker 5>that he had to drain the pond with the help

1226
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:25.000
<v Speaker 5>of his friends from the Barrier group. Then he casts

1227
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:26.880
<v Speaker 5>a line of tracks leading up to it or whatever

1228
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:30.480
<v Speaker 5>that are on all those casts. The original handprint as

1229
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:33.440
<v Speaker 5>well as the footprints are in the Willow Creek Museum

1230
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:35.800
<v Speaker 5>as well. So but yeah, that that's actually the pond

1231
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:37.760
<v Speaker 5>where Bob tit did that work.

1232
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:40.599
<v Speaker 2>Which we stood at that pond and we're just looking

1233
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:43.360
<v Speaker 2>at the water flowing into it and going, I cannot

1234
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:45.199
<v Speaker 2>believe that this guy that must have been a heck

1235
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:47.679
<v Speaker 2>of a handprint, because I cannot believe that this guy

1236
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:50.800
<v Speaker 2>he would have had to reroute the waterway and then

1237
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.679
<v Speaker 2>drain it for like one guy to do for a

1238
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:55.320
<v Speaker 2>handprint like that's impressive.

1239
00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:56.840
<v Speaker 5>It was so late in the year, it may not

1240
00:58:56.880 --> 00:58:59.239
<v Speaker 5>be that much of a deal actually, you know, because

1241
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.599
<v Speaker 5>it was an audio October actually the late October that

1242
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:03.360
<v Speaker 5>that happens. So maybe the water is just oother that

1243
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 5>that's great. That probably helped. Yeah, yeah, I sure did.

1244
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:08.880
<v Speaker 5>And of course a rather handprints in the mud as well.

1245
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:10.920
<v Speaker 5>You can see him in the photographs that were taken

1246
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:13.599
<v Speaker 5>at the site, but he just casts that one unfortunately.

1247
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, there were you know, you also got

1248
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:19.480
<v Speaker 2>the Patterson print that was taken some time around there.

1249
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I believe it was Pat Graves, a for service worker

1250
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:26.199
<v Speaker 2>that took him up there and showed him this trackway

1251
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:29.960
<v Speaker 2>and Patterson cast his there. So yeah, very active area

1252
00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:33.599
<v Speaker 2>back then, still an active area today. There was that hair.

1253
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.199
<v Speaker 2>The first time I ended up meeting you was when

1254
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:38.599
<v Speaker 2>we all brought samples of hair that we collected out

1255
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:41.679
<v Speaker 2>of layered meadow, brought him up to the NABC there

1256
00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:43.760
<v Speaker 2>to get him looked at. You have a great database

1257
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.760
<v Speaker 2>to compare all these hairs to and you also know

1258
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:48.800
<v Speaker 2>what you're doing. I have tried to look at hairs

1259
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:52.119
<v Speaker 2>under a microscope and my gosh, it is way more

1260
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:54.199
<v Speaker 2>difficult than I thought. You got to really know what

1261
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:56.280
<v Speaker 2>you're doing. So you know, luckily you just threw them

1262
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.119
<v Speaker 2>right up there identified them all as bear. But you know,

1263
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:01.679
<v Speaker 2>we weren't the We were there and layered a meadow

1264
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 2>with several people picking hairs off of trees, and my

1265
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.320
<v Speaker 2>buddy Damian Irons, he picked out a hair and the

1266
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:09.880
<v Speaker 2>one that he took to you, that's the one that

1267
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:14.239
<v Speaker 2>looked like sasquatch. I talk about the Fahrenbach Gold Standard

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01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:17.360
<v Speaker 2>on my channel. I have a little segment about that,

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01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:20.079
<v Speaker 2>just kind of educating the public over what that is

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01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:24.360
<v Speaker 2>and how doctor Henry Fahrenbach, a primatologist, had collected these

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01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.559
<v Speaker 2>hairs and you know, he had a dozen or so

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01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:30.800
<v Speaker 2>hair that didn't fall into the category of any animal,

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01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:34.639
<v Speaker 2>and it had certain characteristics and made them they were

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01:00:34.719 --> 01:00:39.519
<v Speaker 2>very unique. And you know, these hair were also found

1275
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.559
<v Speaker 2>after a sasquatch siding, or you know, found on trees

1276
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:46.320
<v Speaker 2>in our case that looked like they were manipulated by hands.

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01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:48.519
<v Speaker 2>There were these trees with these twists on the top,

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01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:51.280
<v Speaker 2>and that's what we were pulling these hairs off of.

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01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:52.960
<v Speaker 2>And I mean we knew that they were more than

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01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:56.559
<v Speaker 2>likely bear maybe elk, But this one that we grabbed

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01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:59.480
<v Speaker 2>was about like six inches long and looked totally different

1282
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:02.679
<v Speaker 2>than anything else we grabbed, and that was the one

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01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:06.320
<v Speaker 2>that Damon kept with him. So that whole thing is

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<v Speaker 2>in one of my videos. I think I called it

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01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:10.800
<v Speaker 2>a Bluff Creek Bigfoot evidence, and it just takes you

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01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:14.039
<v Speaker 2>on the journey of us, you know, trying to collect evidence,

1287
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:17.199
<v Speaker 2>going out to Layered Meadow, looking at these trees and

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01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:20.760
<v Speaker 2>picking out you know, hair and the whole process of

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01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:23.400
<v Speaker 2>getting them looked at. We also stopped by you know,

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01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:27.880
<v Speaker 2>doctor Meldrum's office and got hair looked at as well.

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01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:30.320
<v Speaker 2>He was interested in looking at more of it, and

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01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:33.360
<v Speaker 2>I just show you, you know, his commentary on that.

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01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:36.079
<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of learning about hair that you

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01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.760
<v Speaker 2>can do by watching that episode.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, now luckily we have a Darby study and he

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01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:44.880
<v Speaker 5>has a I just spoke to Derby pretty recently last week.

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<v Speaker 5>The hair thing is moving ahead. He's got a great

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01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:50.679
<v Speaker 5>team of upper level like grad students, I guess or

1299
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:54.320
<v Speaker 5>PhD students at some level who specialize in hair. So

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01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:56.639
<v Speaker 5>don't set them to me anymore. Send them to Darby

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01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:59.199
<v Speaker 5>or Cut at the North Carolina State University for an

1302
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:03.519
<v Speaker 5>absolute positive identification for every single sample.

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01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's exactly what happened with this hair. It actually

1304
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:08.920
<v Speaker 2>ended up in his possession, so that's good news.

1305
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:12.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And of course I've been sending Derby the Meldrum

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01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:15.400
<v Speaker 5>collection hair as well. Jeff had quite a few samples,

1307
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:17.159
<v Speaker 5>and I mean, just by looking at a lot of these,

1308
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:19.960
<v Speaker 5>I know that they're not sasquatches, but that doesn't matter.

1309
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.320
<v Speaker 5>I'm sending them to Derby. There's some sort of a

1310
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:25.039
<v Speaker 5>lot of cow and horse and things like that, but

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01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:27.400
<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of very very interesting samples, and I say,

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<v Speaker 5>oh man, this could very well be the real deal

1313
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:32.199
<v Speaker 5>right here. So he's getting everything and now it's just

1314
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:34.639
<v Speaker 5>a waiting game. So it would be very very interesting

1315
01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:36.440
<v Speaker 5>to see if anything good comes out of that stuff.

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01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 5>Are there any places that people can meet you in

1317
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:41.880
<v Speaker 5>person or perhaps reach out to you, like, what's the

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<v Speaker 5>best way to do that?

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<v Speaker 2>You can find me via Instagram, Western Bigfood Exploration, find

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01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:49.400
<v Speaker 2>me on YouTube, drop a comment on that channel. Western

1321
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Bigfood exploration, but also this September, I believe the weekend

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01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.360
<v Speaker 2>of the twenty sixth, there is a Sasquatch Festival going

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01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:57.800
<v Speaker 2>on in Packwood, Washington, and I'm going to be one

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01:02:57.800 --> 01:03:01.159
<v Speaker 2>of the speakers. We're also having Moneymaker, He's going to

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01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:04.079
<v Speaker 2>be kind of hosting the whole thing. There's a long

1326
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:08.480
<v Speaker 2>list of great people involved, from Nathaniel Bronis to Shane Corson.

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01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.800
<v Speaker 2>There's already ticket sales. Ticket sales are already up. You

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01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:15.679
<v Speaker 2>can visit Beyond the Footprint dot com and buy your

1329
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:17.480
<v Speaker 2>tickets there, and I hope to meet all of you.

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01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:20.119
<v Speaker 2>They're doing a lot of really new things at this

1331
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:23.679
<v Speaker 2>Assquatch Festival, including they're going to do like a night

1332
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:27.480
<v Speaker 2>investigation up in the mountains and stream that with starlink

1333
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:30.039
<v Speaker 2>so everyone can see. So a lot of new concepts.

1334
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.360
<v Speaker 2>They're really trying to grow this thing to be a

1335
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:37.519
<v Speaker 2>really good legit and science based festival. So it sounds

1336
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:38.800
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of fun and I hope to see

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01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:41.239
<v Speaker 2>you guys there in September. Excellent.

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01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:42.920
<v Speaker 5>I've not been to that conference, but I've been hearing

1339
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:44.599
<v Speaker 5>good things about it, and I'm glad to hear it's

1340
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:46.679
<v Speaker 5>going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. We need

1341
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:49.360
<v Speaker 5>more local stuff on the West coast. People have been

1342
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:51.800
<v Speaker 5>kind of lamenting to me. It's like all the conferences

1343
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.239
<v Speaker 5>and all the fun get together seem to be an

1344
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:57.000
<v Speaker 5>East coast of thing, and there's a couple out here,

1345
01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:59.800
<v Speaker 5>but not compared to back East Man, there's probably twice

1346
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:02.519
<v Speaker 5>as MANI three times is many, back E says, all

1347
01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:04.239
<v Speaker 5>right here, So I'm glad that one seems to be

1348
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:07.039
<v Speaker 5>going strong well. Jonathan, thank you so much for spending

1349
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:09.360
<v Speaker 5>some time with us and sharing us, sharing with us

1350
01:04:09.400 --> 01:04:11.039
<v Speaker 5>what you're up to, as well as your on site

1351
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:13.960
<v Speaker 5>investigation of that excellent sighting report that is on the

1352
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:17.079
<v Speaker 5>BFRO website. We appreciate your insight, and if you ever

1353
01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:18.679
<v Speaker 5>get anything else you want to share with us, by

1354
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:19.639
<v Speaker 5>all means, just reach out.

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01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:22.199
<v Speaker 2>You are more than welcome to come back on. Okay, Yeah,

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01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:23.920
<v Speaker 2>thank you very much. And you should see a video

1357
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:27.400
<v Speaker 2>about that. We're talking here about that whole incident, and

1358
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:29.519
<v Speaker 2>I want to show it to you guys on camera.

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01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:32.880
<v Speaker 2>So I hope you guys watch that. You know, sub

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01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:35.119
<v Speaker 2>subscribe to my channel and you'll see it soon.

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01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:39.119
<v Speaker 3>His channel's definitely quality over quantity. There's not a lot

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01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:42.480
<v Speaker 3>of videos in there, but they're all great. So yeah, folks,

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<v Speaker 3>that was Jonathan easily. Thanks Jonathan for joining us, and

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<v Speaker 3>until next week, folks, y'all keep it squatchy.

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01:04:57.679 --> 01:04:59.920
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01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:03.360
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1370
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:13.920
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