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Speaker 1: and James Bubo Fay Bubbo.
Speaker 2: How you doing man?
Speaker 3: We had a loss and we had a couple losses
Speaker 3: again this week in the bigfoot community. Unfortunately lost Brent Thomas,
Speaker 3: the host of Paranormal Portal, longtime Bigfoot and UFO and
Speaker 3: all cryptids and paranormal kind of stuff, but he was
Speaker 3: a big foot that was his main gig. Great guys
Speaker 3: on his show a couple of times. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: we stayed in touch over the years and he's a
Speaker 3: really good dude. And then we lost Stan Courtney. I'm
Speaker 3: one of the original audio guys from the BFRO Midwest Researcher.
Speaker 3: Good guy. We got in the film them several times.
Speaker 3: He was on the show Finding Bigfoot. Was our contact
Speaker 3: out there and he was another buddy for a long time,
Speaker 3: you know, twenty year friend. We lost him too, So
Speaker 3: our condolences to all the family and friends of those too.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 5: And actually, while we're talking about that, not to bring
Speaker 5: everybody else down, but there was another loss to the
Speaker 5: Bigfoot community that quietly slipped away in April that I
Speaker 5: haven't been talking about so much, that definitely deserves recognition
Speaker 5: and made a profound impact on the Bigfoot community even
Speaker 5: though he wasn't technically a bigfooter. He was because he
Speaker 5: did so much Bigfoot stuff, but he wasn't really a bigfooter.
Speaker 5: And that of course is Dennis Hereford. Dennis Hereford, the
Speaker 5: sheriff that casts the Hereford Cast in nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 5: he did on site Bigfoot investigations. He passed away. Cancer
Speaker 5: got him on April eighteenth, twenty twenty six. That death
Speaker 5: went completely unnoticed by the Bigfoot Commune, but I wanted
Speaker 5: to draw some attention to it now.
Speaker 6: Very sorry to hear that. Definitely sorry about Brent and Stan.
Speaker 6: I never got to meet Brent, but I did meet
Speaker 6: Stan Courtney, and you know, he was very kind and
Speaker 6: very enjoyable to speak with, and so I know he
Speaker 6: was very close with a number of BFRO people for
Speaker 6: a long time and other researchers too. But all will
Speaker 6: definitely be missed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, already recently, you may everybody our listeners may have
Speaker 5: heard about a recent report up in Idaho. It was
Speaker 5: a Class A report and if it's on the BFRO
Speaker 5: dot net website, links will be down below in the
Speaker 5: show notes if you're interested. It is report number eight
Speaker 5: one two zero two teenage campers stalked by a group
Speaker 5: of Sasquatches sixteen miles northwest of McCall in Payette National Forest.
Speaker 5: Very very fresh report. It was May twenty fourth that
Speaker 5: this encounter happened. In twenty twenty six, Moneymaker called me
Speaker 5: and asked if I would like to join Jonathan Easley,
Speaker 5: the primary investigator of this case, and Matt and all
Speaker 5: of the witnesses, which was quite a thing, man, because
Speaker 5: there's a lot of witnesses involved. I'm not even sure,
Speaker 5: like six or eight or something, but we all hopped
Speaker 5: on a call. So we have a lot of primary
Speaker 5: source here available for our podcast in the form of
Speaker 5: snippets from the actual witness's mouth. And we also have
Speaker 5: Jonathan easily on the line, fresh back from the location
Speaker 5: and has investigated this report deeper.
Speaker 2: Than I have.
Speaker 5: But Jonathan, thank you so much for coming out of
Speaker 5: the woods and joining us on Bigfoot and Beyond.
Speaker 4: We appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Hey, glad to be on. Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 3: That was so Jonathan that you're coming aboard.
Speaker 2: Oh man, glad to be on.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Just before we get too deep into this particular report,
Speaker 5: I do want to mention that Jonathan has his own
Speaker 5: YouTube page and it is called Western Bigfoot Exploration. Again,
Speaker 5: links will be in the show notes.
Speaker 3: He's one of the ones when you always ask little
Speaker 3: or battle lash what you two chells? Yeah, this is
Speaker 3: pretty good. I'll check his out.
Speaker 2: He's got some do ones on there. Excellent, excellent.
Speaker 5: So so this report, Jonathan, would you want us to
Speaker 5: get us a rundown of basically what happened because there's
Speaker 5: a lot of details and ins and outs and this
Speaker 5: and that's and people involved. But the gist of it
Speaker 5: is basically they saw a sasquatch or a couple sasquatches
Speaker 5: over a period of like two days if I remember right,
Speaker 5: Is that about correct?
Speaker 2: That's correct? Yeah, it was a Memorial Day weekend, and
Speaker 2: it's up in a place called a Lost Valley Reservoir,
Speaker 2: and they're camping at a spot that a few of
Speaker 2: those members have been camping at for a very long time.
Speaker 2: Many years, so they're very familiar with it. And I
Speaker 2: guess it was a group of ten friends that were
Speaker 2: up there, and over the course of two nights they
Speaker 2: had sasquatches walk into camp. The article says stalk them,
Speaker 2: and well, I think it's a bit dramatic. It's not wrong,
Speaker 2: because there was there were two campsites that they were
Speaker 2: based at. They had like I think seventy five percent
Speaker 2: of the people at one campsite and a few individuals
Speaker 2: at the other campsite, and both campsites were visited by sasquatch.
Speaker 2: So these things happened at night, and also they had
Speaker 2: one thing happened during the day. Now i'd say multiple
Speaker 2: people claimed to have seen figures moving through the bushes.
Speaker 2: One guy saw one approach him. He said, pretty close.
Speaker 2: I mean you have to figure that, you know, when
Speaker 2: you see something scary in the woods that maybe you
Speaker 2: haven't seen before, your mind kind of conflates things to
Speaker 2: be a lot larger and closer. So you know, his
Speaker 2: description was ten to fifteen feet away and about nine
Speaker 2: feet tall.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, they had multiple sightings. They also had a
Speaker 2: few pictures that they supplied. Handprints on a car potential footprint,
Speaker 2: and yeah, they all kind of told the same story
Speaker 2: the same way. They were even jumping in and giving
Speaker 2: details that maybe the other person wasn't giving. They were
Speaker 2: making small corrections, so it seems like a very plausible
Speaker 2: story that really did occur, all right, So this seemed
Speaker 2: like a good time to cut in and introduce the
Speaker 2: next segment. So, like they mentioned, there was a lengthy
Speaker 2: interview that Matt Moneymaker, Jonathan Easley and did with many
Speaker 2: of the witnesses of this Idaho incident, and they recorded
Speaker 2: that over zoom. So there was a lot of information there,
Speaker 2: a lot of different voices speaking at the same time.
Speaker 2: So I sort of whittled this down just to the
Speaker 2: most relevant segments and the ones that were the most
Speaker 2: listenable understandable where there weren't a lot of people interjecting
Speaker 2: or stepping over each other. So enjoy this segment where
Speaker 2: you will hear directly from the witnesses about what they
Speaker 2: saw and heard out there in Idaho.
Speaker 4: This is Matt Moneymaker with the Bigfoot Field Researchers organization.
Speaker 4: This call and recording. Is it reference to the report
Speaker 4: that made news that we posted on the BFRO site
Speaker 4: that happened on Memorial Day weekend, and this is up
Speaker 4: about sixteen miles northwest of McCall in the Payett National Forest.
Speaker 4: So there were ten people there all together, and not
Speaker 4: everybody had a visual siding. But we're still we want
Speaker 4: to try to learn You guys can actually help us
Speaker 4: learn a lot about the behavior of these critters, about
Speaker 4: what they did and how they reacted to you. So
Speaker 4: we're going to ask questions to kind of help bring
Speaker 4: that out, help us kind of understand how they operate
Speaker 4: and what they react to and what they do when
Speaker 4: they react. But I'll start off with this, had you,
Speaker 4: guys ever camped in this area before, had any of
Speaker 4: you or all of you as a crew? Yeah, what
Speaker 4: was the weather like up there when you went this time?
Speaker 4: Like the temperature, cloud cover, wind, Tell me about that.
Speaker 7: It was really nice, clear skies, you know, it wasn't bad.
Speaker 4: Okay, what time did you end up getting there to
Speaker 4: the camp area?
Speaker 7: Probably about nine o'clock Friday evening.
Speaker 4: How long after you got there did the first thing
Speaker 4: happen either sound or visual that you think might have
Speaker 4: been connected.
Speaker 7: Friday after midnight? Like one in the.
Speaker 4: Morning, one in the morning, And what happened?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 7: We were meet here.
Speaker 8: Colton and Corey were sitting around the fire while everybody
Speaker 8: else was in a sleep in their tents and the
Speaker 8: camper cars.
Speaker 7: You know, we were.
Speaker 8: Sitting there just kind of having fun, you know, just
Speaker 8: salking the stars. And I looked over at behind Daniel
Speaker 8: Bailey's tent and I saw a tall, dark figure and
Speaker 8: I thought it was just the one's messing with me.
Speaker 7: But then they explained when they saw it.
Speaker 8: It was tall, like seven eight feet tall, you know,
Speaker 8: black figure behind Daniel Bailey's tent.
Speaker 4: How far behind? How far from the tent?
Speaker 7: Was it ten feet?
Speaker 4: I was right behind the tent pretty much.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was kind of by our bathroom bucket.
Speaker 4: Okay. Was the camp in a clearing among the among
Speaker 4: the trees or was it under trees?
Speaker 7: It was mainly clear.
Speaker 4: It was clear. Now, did on the edges, like are
Speaker 4: in the tree line around you? What's there what's called
Speaker 4: thick edge growth that made like a curtain where it
Speaker 4: was difficult to see back in the brush. Or could
Speaker 4: you in the daylight, would you be able to easily
Speaker 4: see back into the trees?
Speaker 7: In the daylight, you'd be able to see back in
Speaker 7: the trees.
Speaker 4: Okay, So It's not like the tent was near a
Speaker 4: bunch of tree cover where the thing that easily cut
Speaker 4: like could come to the edge of the tree cover.
Speaker 4: In other words, it had been daylight and ten feet
Speaker 4: behind the tent, it would have been very exposed. Yes,
Speaker 4: was it holding still when you saw And how long
Speaker 4: did you see it?
Speaker 7: Thirty seconds or so? And I looked away, and I
Speaker 7: looked back it was gone.
Speaker 4: And how far were you away from the tent? How
Speaker 4: far did you were you away from the creature in
Speaker 4: the tent?
Speaker 7: Twenty thirty feet away?
Speaker 4: Oh, you were pretty close. Did you hear anything that
Speaker 4: night or did any any anything else happened before the
Speaker 4: next morning?
Speaker 7: Bailey? I heard knocking.
Speaker 4: Bailey heard knocking, and late in the middle of an.
Speaker 8: Eye, around three o'clock in the following morning, because it
Speaker 8: was a Friday going into Saturday, when we had first
Speaker 8: saturround the campfire, that was the first night street to knocking.
Speaker 7: And then she heard it again Sunday night, go going
Speaker 7: it to Monday around three a.
Speaker 4: Like how far from the camp was it.
Speaker 9: Honestly don't know, but it was pretty loud and like
Speaker 9: it sounded like someone was just like a person like
Speaker 9: one of us was knocking on the tree, and then
Speaker 9: he was like, that wasn't any of us. And then
Speaker 9: I looked and everyone was still like all around us,
Speaker 9: and I was like, okay, well that wasn't any of us.
Speaker 9: And then it got louder, but then it stopped.
Speaker 4: This was it like three in the morning.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we woke up with our baby and I heard
Speaker 9: it and I was like, babe, what was that? And
Speaker 9: he was like, I don't know, Like we just thought
Speaker 9: someone was walking around the campsite, like we thought one
Speaker 9: of them was up walking around. And then the next
Speaker 9: morning when we all got up and they all came out,
Speaker 9: we asked them and they were like, no, that wasn't
Speaker 9: any of us.
Speaker 4: All right, So let's move into the next day, Saturday.
Speaker 4: So what was that next day? What was the next
Speaker 4: thing that happened? You think might have been connected, like
Speaker 4: either visual or sound?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was, he all though, arguing to be honest with.
Speaker 4: You, Okay, what do you mean you mean that was sounds?
Speaker 4: But the arguing with sounds that you gu guys will
Speaker 4: make it, yes, okay, And he was during an argument.
Speaker 4: What happened during the argument somebody walked off? How did
Speaker 4: that lead to the next Bigfoot related today.
Speaker 2: The next thing that happened was towards the nighttime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing happened during the day on Saturday back No, okay,
Speaker 4: So what happened Saturday.
Speaker 10: Night basically the same thing that happened Friday night, like
Speaker 10: just all the sounds and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when it really got interesting was Sunday night Monday morning.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, let's let's take it one of let's cover
Speaker 4: what happened on Saturday. What were the sounds you heard
Speaker 4: Saturday night?
Speaker 9: Whistling, knocking, like, yeah, trees falling, and like snapping, like
Speaker 9: someone just like took a stick and just snapped it.
Speaker 4: Can you heard what sounded like a tree being pushed over?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: How many of those?
Speaker 2: Four?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You heard four tree pushovers roughly? And how how far
Speaker 4: away were they from you?
Speaker 2: It's hard to tell.
Speaker 4: Did they sound any of some like particularly big trees? Mmm?
Speaker 2: Yes? And though yeah, okay?
Speaker 4: Were there dead trees around? Did it seemed like there'd
Speaker 4: be dead trees available that could be pushed over?
Speaker 2: Or yes?
Speaker 4: Yes? Yes, okay, so there were some of those? All right.
Speaker 4: Some of you guys are hunters, right, yeah, deer hunters.
Speaker 4: Did you notice deer tracks in the area. No, No,
Speaker 4: you didn't notice any deer or any deer tracks.
Speaker 2: I didn't even see a Barrett track up there.
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Speaker 4: All right, So let's get into Sunday night. You said,
Speaker 4: that's when the really interesting stuff happened.
Speaker 10: Yes, Sunday night around I don't know, I want to say,
Speaker 10: like ten thirty maybe eleven. Yeah, I got a massive
Speaker 10: headache just out of nowhere, and so I got out
Speaker 10: to go take side prope and then I had a
Speaker 10: pee step behind my ten That's when I got a
Speaker 10: good look of it.
Speaker 4: And how far away was it from you?
Speaker 2: Not even like thirty feet in front of me?
Speaker 11: Really?
Speaker 4: Okay? Well, okay, now we're talking. This was at night.
Speaker 4: Was there any moonlight? How well?
Speaker 2: Lick was No, not really, it was kind of hard
Speaker 2: to see.
Speaker 4: Okay, And so tell me what you did see.
Speaker 2: Well, what I saw is I get roughly nine feet tall,
Speaker 2: and it was like walking on two legs, you know,
Speaker 2: was kind of big walking towards me. And that's when
Speaker 2: I turned around and kind of went talked to Jimkob okay.
Speaker 4: And so it was walking towards you, not like it
Speaker 4: was bluff charging you, not like it was trying to
Speaker 4: scare you, but just moving in your direction.
Speaker 2: It was walking pretty fast really okay?
Speaker 4: And is that when you said in the report Kia
Speaker 4: said at one point she mentioned reflective eyes.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's when I saw. That's when I saw
Speaker 2: I like glowing red eyes.
Speaker 4: Oh you did? You did have glowing red eyes? Okay?
Speaker 4: Do it seem like it was reflecting off the campfire
Speaker 4: or or are like they were glowing on.
Speaker 2: Their own, just on their own really?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 9: Cool?
Speaker 4: Uh? And do anybody else but you see it at
Speaker 4: that moment?
Speaker 2: Think Jacob saw something.
Speaker 8: Jacob said that he saw the same thing, but he
Speaker 8: originally thought it was the trees messing with them until
Speaker 8: Daniel came running up to them.
Speaker 4: Okay, and everybody, and this was your all together kind
Speaker 4: of at the same camp area.
Speaker 10: We were all in sitting around the campfire, other than Alex,
Speaker 10: he was sleeping in the camper because he got sick.
Speaker 7: I was in the tech.
Speaker 4: Okay, and then let's move forward. What was the next
Speaker 4: thing that big for related?
Speaker 10: We all kind of heard kind of sound and all
Speaker 10: of the like the guys, all the girls went into
Speaker 10: the camper, and all those guys kind of walked towards
Speaker 10: what we what we started seeing.
Speaker 2: And then that's went. Me and Colton.
Speaker 10: Decided to go check on some other people that we
Speaker 10: knew that were around the area.
Speaker 2: Then we went and kind of checked their camps. Light
Speaker 2: out and I'll let call him take it over from.
Speaker 4: There, and mister and went to, Yeah, how far did
Speaker 4: you have to go to this other camp?
Speaker 2: Three minutes?
Speaker 4: Three minutes walking, right, three minutes driving? Okay, And so
Speaker 4: you didn't see anything while you were driving. You saw
Speaker 4: things when you got over to that other camp. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: all right, Colton, go ahead, tell us what happened.
Speaker 11: So, so we got to the other camp and we
Speaker 11: were kind of letting them know, like what was going on,
Speaker 11: just kind of giving them a little heads up that
Speaker 11: something's out and not very happy.
Speaker 4: What did you tell Did you have any idea what
Speaker 4: it was or how did you explain what it was?
Speaker 11: We kind of just explained it as a tall, dark
Speaker 11: manlike figure there. That's really all that any of us
Speaker 11: truly had.
Speaker 4: Because you'd only seen it in the dark.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And we were talking to him and Daniel and
Speaker 11: I started hearing some stuff back behind their tent, and
Speaker 11: there's a little hill back behind their tent and then
Speaker 11: it drops down into a little ravine. Well, Daniel and
Speaker 11: I are standing up on top of this hill and
Speaker 11: him and I bolt hear something off to our right,
Speaker 11: and we look and I could see something and how.
Speaker 4: Far away was it from you?
Speaker 2: Ten fifteen feet?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 11: I fired off a couple of rounds because I'm not
Speaker 11: one that likes to mess around and then possibly figure
Speaker 11: out if I'm gonna go back to Camp Atlantic or not.
Speaker 4: Wait to say, let me ask you about this. Did
Speaker 4: you already have a gun with you? Did you have
Speaker 4: to go get it from the car or what.
Speaker 2: With us?
Speaker 7: They grabbed the guns and took off.
Speaker 4: Oh when they went down to the camp, you brought
Speaker 4: guns with you? Yeah?
Speaker 10: Yes.
Speaker 8: The only one that really stayed behind was Jacob. He
Speaker 8: sat in front of the camp or with all of
Speaker 8: those girls inside, just in case anythinking that. So the
Speaker 8: people that stayed at camp were Jacob, Me, Kira, Jeffrey,
Speaker 8: Alec Bailey, and the baby.
Speaker 4: Okay, and so by this point, you guys were all
Speaker 4: apprehensive that something was coming around the camp. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: you were worried. Yes, yes, okay, So the other guys
Speaker 4: go down to the other camp. You see something moving
Speaker 4: in the dark, not far away. What kind of gun
Speaker 4: was it that you used to fire the warning shots?
Speaker 2: I had a ten mil you out at nine four?
Speaker 4: You out of ten, so two tens in a night.
Speaker 2: And the forty five a ACP.
Speaker 4: Okay, So these aren't rifles. These are all handguns, right.
Speaker 2: The twenty two is a rifle, the.
Speaker 4: Twenty two, okay? And is that what you used to
Speaker 4: do the warning shots?
Speaker 11: No, we were using the nine and ten mil.
Speaker 4: And were you shooting in the air towards the ground?
Speaker 4: Towards the ground? Okay? And of something that you thought
Speaker 4: was real close to you? Yeah? Okay? Did you hear
Speaker 4: any movements after you capped off those?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 4: How many rounds did you shoot off?
Speaker 11: I shot a like towards the figure three times and
Speaker 11: then it was a bunch of brush and like TwixT snapping,
Speaker 11: and then it all went silent until just a couple
Speaker 11: seconds later there was something back behind us that started
Speaker 11: making sound. And that's when we turned and saw another figure,
Speaker 11: just a little bit smaller, running down the other side
Speaker 11: of the hill.
Speaker 4: Okay, were you were you shot in its director? Were
Speaker 4: you prying to hit it? Or were you just shooting? Now, bubbah,
Speaker 4: I was very much so trying to hit it. You were, okay,
Speaker 4: but you wasn't wasn't in view when you were aiming
Speaker 4: at or you just aiming toward where you had seen movement?
Speaker 11: So I could see it when I wasn't drawn up
Speaker 11: on it. It was kind of harder to see you
Speaker 11: when I was drawn up, but I knew that I
Speaker 11: was within a couple inches at least.
Speaker 4: Okay, did you have any idea how big that one was?
Speaker 2: About ten to twelve foot?
Speaker 4: This one? That was? Okay, no end of twelve foot
Speaker 4: from you, but you think it you think it was
Speaker 4: ten feet tall? Yeah? Okay? And then the other direction
Speaker 4: there was you think a smaller one? Yeah? And that
Speaker 4: and that you heard that after you did the shots,
Speaker 4: you heard another one running away? Yeah? Okay, you heard it.
Speaker 4: But did you get you get any glimpse of it
Speaker 4: a little bit? Like it's its top half?
Speaker 2: Is it like went back down over?
Speaker 4: Okay? All right? Then what happened next?
Speaker 11: Everyone got in their vehicles and we drove up the
Speaker 11: road a bit, trying to.
Speaker 2: Figure out what we were going to do, whether we
Speaker 2: were going to.
Speaker 11: Have the people that we went to talk to come
Speaker 11: back to our camp or what their plan was going
Speaker 11: to be. And they ended up coming back to camp
Speaker 11: with us.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you were all kind of freaked out and
Speaker 4: you wanted to all be in the same place. That
Speaker 4: good Okay, all right, And so that would have been
Speaker 4: at what time that you all came back together about.
Speaker 11: One two.
Speaker 4: Am?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 4: Okay. Now, in the report, Kiara mentioned that you guys
Speaker 4: said that the things used they seemed to know how
Speaker 4: to hide and dodge and get behind things. What was that?
Speaker 4: Was that based on the incident with the guns or
Speaker 4: was there another occasion where you saw them like moving
Speaker 4: around trying to hide.
Speaker 11: Mainly just kind of the situation with the guns and
Speaker 11: they were quick, swift movements. It knew exactly what it
Speaker 11: was doing and how it was doing.
Speaker 4: Okay. Was there any sounds other than the brush breaking?
Speaker 11: Not really, It was just kind of the it's it's
Speaker 11: like listening to an l bus through the brush, is
Speaker 11: what it sounded like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So no eye glow on that incident.
Speaker 2: Not that I personally saw.
Speaker 4: Now, okay, so we're one of tod them on Sunday.
Speaker 4: Anything happened Monday later after that? Or was that the
Speaker 4: final thing?
Speaker 8: Non drove around and we were looking for the nests
Speaker 8: and the crosses, because after the boys have taken off,
Speaker 8: I called my mom and that was when she had
Speaker 8: sort of texted you to look out for these things,
Speaker 8: and she told us to stay together, and that's when
Speaker 8: I gave her my location, and she also told us
Speaker 8: to go out the next day and go look for
Speaker 8: the nests that looked like Teethe's and the trees and
Speaker 8: the crosses.
Speaker 7: But there weren't any sounds or anything as far as.
Speaker 4: We know, all right, And anything else happened after that
Speaker 4: before you laughed?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Also on the.
Speaker 8: Handprints and the footprints, the fut print was just behind
Speaker 8: our camp Jacob's camper and like right outside our campsite.
Speaker 4: Okay. And what was the mention in the report of
Speaker 4: a sound that sounded like something either getting in a
Speaker 4: car or trying to start.
Speaker 8: A car that was knocking with how Bailey originally described it,
Speaker 8: because when she had asked us about it, she thought
Speaker 8: Corey was starting his car because Corey and now we
Speaker 8: were sleeping in their car and me and Colt were
Speaker 8: sleeping in our car, and Corey had told her that
Speaker 8: his battery.
Speaker 7: Was disconnected and that they weren't trying to start their
Speaker 7: car that night.
Speaker 4: Okay, so that was that. It was just you heard
Speaker 4: a knocking saut and you were just trying to figure
Speaker 4: it out and thought it may have been a sound
Speaker 4: coming from the car.
Speaker 9: I thought they were like trying to turn the like
Speaker 9: turn it over, and because I already knew it was dead,
Speaker 9: but I hadn't known that they had disconnected the battery.
Speaker 7: So that's what automatically my mind went to.
Speaker 9: And that's why I asked everybody when we well, because
Speaker 9: I was sitting outside like around the fire, and then
Speaker 9: Corey and Abby got up and that's when I asked
Speaker 9: them and they were like, no, like we disconnected the battery,
Speaker 9: and I was like oh, And then I just did
Speaker 9: say anything after that because I really didn't know what
Speaker 9: was going on.
Speaker 4: All right, very good? So by that point, were you
Speaker 4: guys thinking that these I mean, did you know did
Speaker 4: you guys know anything about sasquatches before this weekend or
Speaker 4: how much did you know about the subject.
Speaker 8: I knew a pretty good deal prior because my mom
Speaker 8: and I when I was growing up we'd watch about
Speaker 8: like sasquatches and paranoral activity. But like when I had
Speaker 8: called her when everything was going on, I think Sunday night,
Speaker 8: and she told me it was a sasquatch. I told
Speaker 8: it was like, I'm not joking, I'm serious. So she goes, no,
Speaker 8: it's a sasquatch like we've seen in the shows.
Speaker 4: Okay, how about the rest of you, the rest of
Speaker 4: you guys, were you have heard bigfoot stories.
Speaker 2: For Yeah, just watching night TV shows and stuff.
Speaker 4: Okay, do people that you know in the area generally
Speaker 4: believe the subject or do most people think it's nonsense?
Speaker 2: All of people think it's nonsense, real.
Speaker 4: Pretty most of the people out of work, they get
Speaker 4: pretty much nonsense. Okay, well, I'll tell you they don't
Speaker 4: know better. I've had one real close to me before,
Speaker 4: and I could assure you they are quite real. And
Speaker 4: there's other people who have seen them up in that area,
Speaker 4: so I think that's exactly what they were. Very good. Well,
Speaker 4: thank you so much. That's I think we got most
Speaker 4: of it, and again, it does help us to try
Speaker 4: to understand how these things operate.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 5: Bogo will be right back after these messages. Now it
Speaker 5: says teenagers, but when I spoke to them, I got
Speaker 5: the gist of I third, like around twenty are they
Speaker 5: actually teenagers or just some of them are teenagers or
Speaker 5: all of them or yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought that was a bit unfair to label at teenagers,
Speaker 2: and they just ran with it. I think it was
Speaker 2: like Fox News or someone. A couple major outlets and
Speaker 2: a couple of big social media pages picked the story up,
Speaker 2: and they all broadcasted it as teenagers. Of course, because
Speaker 2: they didn't have the information. When you say teenagers, you
Speaker 2: think like fourteen, fifteen years old. Now they're all eighteen
Speaker 2: and nineteen years old, and one of these teenagers is
Speaker 2: thirty four years old, I believe, so, yeah, they're of
Speaker 2: age that rate. I might be still a teenager, yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: forever young.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, these these were older kids, and you know,
Speaker 2: the decisions that they made during what was happening to
Speaker 2: them were completely logical. And one of the things was
Speaker 2: crazy that you know, he actually discharged his gun in
Speaker 2: the direction of this shadowy figure that approached his camp
Speaker 2: at night, and in fact, the other two guys discharged
Speaker 2: their pistols firing warning shots, so you know, there was
Speaker 2: a point where, you know, half of them were afraid
Speaker 2: and inside of one of the RVs and the other
Speaker 2: guys went to the other camp and that's where they
Speaker 2: had their encounter. So yeah, there was just a lot
Speaker 2: of it, just a lot of that stuff, but yeah,
Speaker 2: not teenagers.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought that was a little unfair, and of
Speaker 5: course the media would do that to kind of, in
Speaker 5: a way subtly discredit the witnesses.
Speaker 2: Slightly correct, And there was another piece of it was
Speaker 2: like a major detail that was shared on the article.
Speaker 2: One of the girls was in her tent hearing this loud, deep,
Speaker 2: kind of thud sound, and when she described it to
Speaker 2: us on that call, she was saying that it kind
Speaker 2: of reminded her of like that deep chugging sound that
Speaker 2: an engine trying to start up would make, which seems
Speaker 2: completely logical. I mean, we've all been in our tents
Speaker 2: hearing a weird sound that we're trying to make sense of,
Speaker 2: and that was her way to make sense of it.
Speaker 2: I guess they had disconnected a car's battery, so she
Speaker 2: was trying to rationalize, like, is that someone trying to
Speaker 2: start the car? You know, it's this deep loud thud
Speaker 2: chug sound. And you know, she eventually put together that
Speaker 2: it wasn't that because it turned into a rhythmic knocking
Speaker 2: as she described, So something was walking around camp doing
Speaker 2: really loud knocks and stuff, and that was taken out
Speaker 2: of context, you know, and a lot of the comments
Speaker 2: people were saying, oh, how could you mistaken a car
Speaker 2: starting for someone hitting a tree or doing a knock,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And you know, if you
Speaker 2: don't have all the information, that's that's logically what you're
Speaker 2: going to come to. So I thought that was another
Speaker 2: piece of information that was taken out of context and
Speaker 2: a little bit unfair.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I would leave it to the skeptics to
Speaker 5: be taking things out of context, being a little bit
Speaker 5: unfair and not having all the information, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Every time. That's a problem with these big media outlets
Speaker 2: when they put this stuff out there. You know, it
Speaker 2: never gets a good you never get the full story.
Speaker 2: It misses a lot of the details, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's just really easy for someone to read the article
Speaker 2: and go, ah, stupid teenagers, what are they talking about.
Speaker 5: This report on the BFRO site. And again I'm sure
Speaker 5: Matt will put that in the show notes as well.
Speaker 5: Matt's been doing Matt Moneymaker's been doing a great job
Speaker 5: lately on his a variety of outlets, including his website obviously,
Speaker 5: as well as a lot of the social media is
Speaker 5: where he's drawing maps and kind of zooming in showing
Speaker 5: the photographs and whatnot submitted by the witnesses. And one
Speaker 5: of the just one of the photographs that he shared
Speaker 5: on his site. I know there are others, or it's
Speaker 5: just a handprint on the car and all that jazz,
Speaker 5: but one of the photographs actually shows a possible footprint
Speaker 5: in the ground, and it doesn't look like much, And
Speaker 5: again I would expect skeptics to kind of write it off,
Speaker 5: but having seen quite a few sasquatch tracks out in
Speaker 5: the wild, so to speak, in the ground, this is
Speaker 5: not a bad photograph at all. And it could very
Speaker 5: I can't say for sure if it is a sasquatch
Speaker 5: footprint or not, but it has it is actually pretty
Speaker 5: decent looking track for the object that they're photographing, because
Speaker 5: tracks just simply do not show up well in photographs,
Speaker 5: but this one looks pretty good now. Having been to
Speaker 5: the site over the last couple of days, Jonathan, did
Speaker 5: you locate any other signs of the animals in the area,
Speaker 5: life footprints?
Speaker 2: When I walked around, I found I want to say,
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand cow hoofs. There was so many cows,
Speaker 2: so I did find deer prints and cowprints. I looked
Speaker 2: for bear, I looked for any other signs. I looked
Speaker 2: on trees or any thing that looked like it was
Speaker 2: out of place, and I didn't find anything like that.
Speaker 2: The ground, there are large patches that lend itself to
Speaker 2: you know, they would create great footprints if one were
Speaker 2: just step there. But a lot of the ground is
Speaker 2: kind of this, like knee high brush that you have
Speaker 2: to walk through, and you'd never find a footprint walking
Speaker 2: through there. I did take a lot of time looking
Speaker 2: through that stuff, as well as you know, the road
Speaker 2: and other patches of loose dirt. But no, nothing, nothing
Speaker 2: out of place other than their story. I was just
Speaker 2: you know, walking around and didn't find didn't find anything
Speaker 2: of significance.
Speaker 5: But of course it's been weeks now, weeks and weeks
Speaker 5: and weeks, so that's not all that surprising.
Speaker 2: It's been about a month and it on my way
Speaker 2: up there. We had this like unforecasted rainstorm that just
Speaker 2: moved through, so it could have washed out anything. But
Speaker 2: like I said, there were a lot of very fresh
Speaker 2: cow tracks and cow patties write in camp and all around.
Speaker 2: I was just surprised by how many, how much free
Speaker 2: range cattle was roaming around that area. I can hear them.
Speaker 2: I mean I haven't even gone over my audio recorder yet,
Speaker 2: but all night long you can hear cows going off.
Speaker 2: You can hear them going off in the distance up close.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was a lot of cows. Is this
Speaker 2: an active very?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 5: Weare of other reports within the general vicinity within a
Speaker 5: few miles or twenty miles or something. About four years ago,
Speaker 5: I spoke to a girl.
Speaker 2: She was a makeup artist here in the Treasure Valley,
Speaker 2: and she starts telling me about this time that her
Speaker 2: and her husband were in a place called New Meadows,
Speaker 2: which is I mean, it's literally the next town outside
Speaker 2: of where this area is. She had told me that
Speaker 2: they were watching someone scale a hillside, just walking along
Speaker 2: the hillside for a long distance, in a place completely
Speaker 2: off trail, in a place where they couldn't understand why
Speaker 2: this person dressed in all black was just walking and walking,
Speaker 2: and they watched it for two or three minutes, and
Speaker 2: it wasn't until it turned the corner into nowhere that
Speaker 2: they both decided, oh my gosh, hold on, we might
Speaker 2: have just seen a sasquatch. And her and her husband
Speaker 2: very outdoorsy people, and they were completely convinced that what
Speaker 2: they saw was a sasquatch. There's another BFROL report right
Speaker 2: there in that lake. Two paddle borders were paddle boarding
Speaker 2: along and saw two figures on the shoreline there walking
Speaker 2: and they watched them for a pretty extensive amount of time,
Speaker 2: so you'd think that they positively identified to them as
Speaker 2: bigfoots and lower I want to say maybe if we
Speaker 2: were talking trying maybe a thirty five minute drive south.
Speaker 2: There was another report just east of the I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: just west of the Cascade area where someone had an
Speaker 2: encounter while they were camping or one of these things
Speaker 2: walked into camp. So there's plenty of reports around that area.
Speaker 2: You had a little further up toward like Loon Lake
Speaker 2: and the whole McCall area, there's been footprints and people
Speaker 2: have heard vocalizations and there's been siding. So this is
Speaker 2: an area that is familiar with the whole Bigfoot phenomenona.
Speaker 2: There's been plenty that's gone on up there, so this
Speaker 2: isn't really surprising that it's just another story that's going
Speaker 2: on in a place where there are many stories.
Speaker 3: Right, Did you ever find me of those?
Speaker 2: Nessa?
Speaker 3: So they were all around the camp.
Speaker 2: I walked around and I looked, and I didn't find
Speaker 2: the ones that they took pictures of. But there was
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that was really ambiguous, and I didn't,
Speaker 2: you know, stuff tree falls, the trees. I'm not a
Speaker 2: big structures guy, like it takes a lot to really
Speaker 2: impress me with a structure, but I did look for
Speaker 2: them just to try to identify it, and I couldn't
Speaker 2: find exactly what they took a picture of, and I
Speaker 2: didn't find anything out of place like that, So I
Speaker 2: didn't find any of that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Well, looking at the map, one of the first thing
Speaker 5: that stands out to me about this general area is
Speaker 5: that it seems to me and correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5: So I'm not looking at it on Google Earth. I'm
Speaker 5: looking at it on Google Maps right now that it
Speaker 5: seems to be on the east side of the slope,
Speaker 5: right would.
Speaker 4: That be correct.
Speaker 2: It's almost kind of a plateau, and there are you know,
Speaker 2: the witnesses described whistles at one point, there was a
Speaker 2: there's a point where two of the girls were having
Speaker 2: an argument and this is in daytime, and her boyfriend
Speaker 2: walks off into the brush and she kind of follows
Speaker 2: him and starts hearing these whistles and starts hearing things
Speaker 2: move around in the brush. Ultimately, after, you know, after
Speaker 2: everything happened, she's kind of felt that these things were
Speaker 2: luring her further into the woods. But the reason I
Speaker 2: bring that up is because the acoustics of this area
Speaker 2: were incredible. I mean, the campfire crackling at night was
Speaker 2: you can hear it echo back to you like three
Speaker 2: different ways. So if she was hearing whistles all around,
Speaker 2: she described them as very, very loud. Matt asked her,
Speaker 2: you know, was it like a bird and she was like, no,
Speaker 2: absolutely not. It was like a huge, huge whistle. And
Speaker 2: I totally see what she's saying, because the acoustics there
Speaker 2: are incredible. You have sounds coming from both sides of
Speaker 2: the ridge. So on a map, maybe it might look
Speaker 2: like it's an eastern facing slope, but it's actually more
Speaker 2: of a plateau. Right after that there is a drop off.
Speaker 2: But I was hearing cows from what I think was
Speaker 2: down in the valley, on the eastern Valley, and I
Speaker 2: can also hear boats launching from the lake, which is
Speaker 2: about a mile away. I can hear people's voices from
Speaker 2: the lake. I could hear distant dogs barking. I mean,
Speaker 2: anything that went on sound wise you can hear there.
Speaker 2: So it's a great spot if you're trying to hear
Speaker 2: a sasquatch or anything like that. That was, yeah, that
Speaker 2: was kind of it was it's this perfect spot for
Speaker 2: hearing what's around you.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, you said that it's a great spot
Speaker 5: for trying to hear a sasquatch or anything like that.
Speaker 5: But also the op the exact opposite of that, I
Speaker 5: think is something that's really interesting and often overlooked by researchers,
Speaker 5: that sasquatches want to hear you. Something I've noticed over many,
Speaker 5: many years, and this seems to hold not only with
Speaker 5: this report but with other reports, is that where sasquatches
Speaker 5: are often observed, there are it's very very quiet. The
Speaker 5: acoustics are really something special in a place where sasquatches
Speaker 5: return to a lot, and they're very very quiet, and
Speaker 5: being in the area you can observe not visually, but
Speaker 5: you know by hearing, you can observe all your surroundings.
Speaker 5: Because mountain gorillas, for example, keep track of every other
Speaker 5: member of their troop by listening for them. And because
Speaker 5: they can't see through the plant life, they can't see
Speaker 5: through the jungle in which they live the thick forests,
Speaker 5: and sasquatches would be expected to be rather similar. I
Speaker 5: strongly suspect that when sasquatches are observing you, they're more
Speaker 5: often listening to you than actually looking at you. And
Speaker 5: so this area that you just describe seems perfect for
Speaker 5: such an observation post for sasquatches to hear what's going
Speaker 5: on all around them for maybe miles. If you can
Speaker 5: hear boats launching in the Lost Valley reservoir, it sounds
Speaker 5: like a perfect place for them.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. Now, like I said, the campfire crackling was
Speaker 2: just like I mean, if somebody was driving by on
Speaker 2: the main road, they probably would be able to hear it.
Speaker 2: It was that loud. Any clap I did, I did
Speaker 2: a couple you know, vocalizations, and was just incredibly surprised
Speaker 2: by how far they carried and how many times they
Speaker 2: echoed back too. And there was another aspect to it
Speaker 2: is that there's a little kind of a ridge that
Speaker 2: slowly rises on the east side of the camp and
Speaker 2: it is the perfect place for using like a thermal
Speaker 2: imager and looking through these trees, like if something if
Speaker 2: I were to try to hide and kind of creep
Speaker 2: in on some campers, I would be able to do
Speaker 2: it in the daylight, very very easy. But at night,
Speaker 2: if somebody tried to creep in and I had a
Speaker 2: thermal imager, I'd totally be able to see it. So
Speaker 2: as far as a big footing spot, it's great. It's
Speaker 2: giving sasquatch the higher ground to move in and you
Speaker 2: can see right through the trees perfectly. It reminded me
Speaker 2: a lot of the Blue Mountains, really lush and green,
Speaker 2: but you know, not too hard to get around and
Speaker 2: walk through the trees and the meadows.
Speaker 5: Would this technically be part of the Blue Mountains? I
Speaker 5: mean it's south southeast of the wallahwas, but it was
Speaker 5: this technically part of the Blues. I don't really understand
Speaker 5: where one stops and where one starts you know.
Speaker 2: It looks like it there's a highway that kind of
Speaker 2: divides everything, but it looks like almost like I don't
Speaker 2: know how to describe it, almost like a deltoid where
Speaker 2: it moved me. The Blue Mountains kind of taper off.
Speaker 2: There's a road that runs through there, and then the
Speaker 2: mountains start right back up again. So I would think
Speaker 2: that it's the same exact environment, probably the same kind
Speaker 2: of trees. It look the same. I've been in a
Speaker 2: lot of different places. Each place has a really que
Speaker 2: you know, unique characteristics in its landscape, and this reminded
Speaker 2: me exactly of the Blue Mountains. Very interesting.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 5: Will be right back after these messages. So with the
Speaker 5: report in general, you feel this is a totally legit report,
Speaker 5: I'm assuming, right, yeah. I mean I'm very skeptical of people.
Speaker 5: I'm not skeptical of Bigfoot, but I'm always skeptical of people,
Speaker 5: And in my head I always form a kind of
Speaker 5: defense of the story and also like a prosecution of
Speaker 5: the story. You know, I do bring up every red
Speaker 5: flag I can think of, and when you can discredit
Speaker 5: away every red flag, well, then you've got a pretty
Speaker 5: good story on your hands. And you know, a large
Speaker 5: percentage of this story sounds legitimate. So as of now,
Speaker 5: I'm totally on board with it. I also try to
Speaker 5: think of the like ten people getting together to make
Speaker 5: up a story with this level of detail about sasquatch
Speaker 5: visiting their camp and why why would you do that?
Speaker 5: You know, But as far as the details, you know,
Speaker 5: going there, seeing the landscape, it's completely plausible. It's a
Speaker 5: perfect place for all of that to happen. So I'm
Speaker 5: on board with this story. And you know, there are
Speaker 5: a few little details, like I'm making a video about
Speaker 5: this that I should have maybe by the time this airs,
Speaker 5: but from speaking right now, it's going to be like
Speaker 5: a week and a half or so.
Speaker 2: I'm going to put this video out. And one of
Speaker 2: the things that I do show is that, you know,
Speaker 2: for example, a handprint on the back of the suv
Speaker 2: that they have there. You know, they're not saying a sasquatch,
Speaker 2: but they're saying, look at this. I don't know how
Speaker 2: we got this handprint on there. Maybe it was sasquatch,
Speaker 2: and for myself speaking, hell, maybe it was. But you know,
Speaker 2: I do show you how handprints appear on vehicles. And
Speaker 2: before I left my driveway, I filmed myself putting a
Speaker 2: nice handprint on the back of my clean windshield and
Speaker 2: then driving all the way up there. And then the
Speaker 2: next morning, after driving on a dusty road, lo and hey,
Speaker 2: there's my handprint. It looks like something visited overnight and
Speaker 2: put a handprint on my vehicle.
Speaker 3: So, so's the problem.
Speaker 2: Who's the problem here? Abby or Bailey the problem?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: The girls were fighting and arguing.
Speaker 2: It's not like both of them. I don't know, I
Speaker 2: do know what they're argued about. That's the real mystery here. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But whatever argument that was that led Kiara to walk
Speaker 2: over into the brush and have that experience that she had.
Speaker 2: You know, she walked into the bushes, I had this argument,
Speaker 2: walked over into the the forest line, and you know,
Speaker 2: started hearing these whistles and seeing movement around her, and
Speaker 2: she initially thought it was her boyfriend. Turns out he
Speaker 2: had already walked back to camp and was kind of
Speaker 2: waiting around for her, and she was walking in this circle.
Speaker 2: She describes being led around by whistles and movement, and
Speaker 2: when she got back, you know, there was a boyfriend,
Speaker 2: so good thing, they argued, Maybe that's what we need.
Speaker 2: More arguments in camp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe more stellings on funning bigfoot.
Speaker 5: If that was the case, I think the Bigfoot community
Speaker 5: in general would have more sightings if that was the case.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did that baby act any different? Did they notice
Speaker 3: any difference with the baby acting if the thing was
Speaker 3: around or not.
Speaker 2: They didn't really mention much of the baby. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: didn't mention much of the baby. But you know, it's
Speaker 2: not the first time people bring babies and stuff pops up.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you were there, Bobo, but I
Speaker 2: know Cliff was. But when, like Bart Katino had his sighting,
Speaker 2: I know that speaking to him, he attributes a baby
Speaker 2: crying leading to his sighting at California camp. That was
Speaker 2: a yeah, see, so bring your babies into the woods
Speaker 2: and have arguments with your friends. You know. That seems
Speaker 2: to be the new standard to have a sasquatch experience.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know this, Jonathan, but the
Speaker 5: same night Bart saw that sasquatch, Bobo ran into it
Speaker 5: as well while he was taking a dump away from camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that, No way, I did
Speaker 2: not know that I was.
Speaker 3: Trying to keep this classy and up bring it up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was a leave it to me then it
Speaker 4: is about it.
Speaker 3: I think it was maybe like twenty minutes after this happened,
Speaker 3: like I had to go, and I was like I
Speaker 3: walked out like a couple hundred yards back and like
Speaker 3: dug a hole, and I was squatted down, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, just this big like boom boom boom
Speaker 3: running at me coming up this little this little draw
Speaker 3: kind of like in Pitch Black.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I was so mad.
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, give me a freaking break. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to like this is going against the bro code,
Speaker 3: Like you know, Scoot I would have squatted down, you know,
Speaker 3: do his bis. You gotta like wait till I'm done
Speaker 3: and walking back then you can mess with me. And
Speaker 3: I was like, I forgetbout yell you'll like I said,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, damn, I'm taking a ship, like quick, get
Speaker 3: out of here. You know that it stopped like it
Speaker 3: just stopped like with no like slowt I was just
Speaker 3: it was like full sprinting like it was coming fast
Speaker 3: and it was big and loud in like the ground
Speaker 3: like you should have boom boom.
Speaker 4: I mean it was big.
Speaker 3: And it came run up and I yelled, it just
Speaker 3: stopped and everything else.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, you're you're most vulnerable position. That's when he
Speaker 2: decides to jump out at you. Great.
Speaker 3: They came around our tents. I was with Jamie Jada,
Speaker 3: same guy that was with me when when Bart Laos
Speaker 3: Cap when we saw the one in lust Cap Jamie
Speaker 3: j I was. I was in the tent with him
Speaker 3: and is hit his nine month old son in there,
Speaker 3: So we had the baby in there and the thing
Speaker 3: they were walking back and forth. They were like rubbing,
Speaker 3: They're running their fingers down the tent, like we could
Speaker 3: hear them mumbling like you know, you like pitter powder,
Speaker 3: back and forth like like there was there was definitely
Speaker 3: some smaller ones that were in there too, Like it
Speaker 3: wasn't just a big one. We heard two which sounded
Speaker 3: like smaller ones.
Speaker 2: I see. Was that at lawser California.
Speaker 3: Then I was at the California camp.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, oh wow yeah.
Speaker 5: So I guess the lesson is bring your babies out,
Speaker 5: argue with it while you're pooping, and you'll probably see
Speaker 5: a sasquatch.
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm gonna try that next time. Do you have
Speaker 2: a baby, I can find one.
Speaker 5: That's not a good look to be arguing with babies.
Speaker 2: No, No, they always win to you always lose the argument. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're just too cute.
Speaker 5: We encourage all of our listeners to go read that
Speaker 5: report again. The link is in the show notes. Go
Speaker 5: check it out. It's a very recent report from a
Speaker 5: very cool area. It's been investigated on site by Jonathan. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: I think the bow has been put on it, as
Speaker 5: it's been said. But Jonathan, this is the first time
Speaker 5: you've been on Bigfoot and beyond. Why don't we learn
Speaker 5: a little bit about you. How long have you been
Speaker 5: doing this? Because I've heard your name tossed around. You
Speaker 5: must have been doing this around for a while. I mean,
Speaker 5: you must be pretty well entrenched into the Bigfoot community.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've been doing the whole Bigfoot thing for about twelve
Speaker 2: or so years, and I started the channel, I want
Speaker 2: to say, about seven years ago. And you know, I
Speaker 2: don't bombard my channel with a bunch of videos. It's
Speaker 2: kind of a slow process. But my channel is about
Speaker 2: the search for evidence in the Pacific Northwest. Might try
Speaker 2: to take you along to places. Maybe you haven't seen,
Speaker 2: but you should see and hang out with a lot
Speaker 2: of researchers that you never heard of that you should
Speaker 2: hear about. The reason I started the channel is because
Speaker 2: I noticed that there were these amazing places that you
Speaker 2: could just not find on YouTube or any you know,
Speaker 2: history channel documentary. A couple examples would be, you know,
Speaker 2: we've all heard the story of oh, Jerry Crewe. You
Speaker 2: know he named Bigfoot, and then it just moves on
Speaker 2: in the story. But there was a lot more to
Speaker 2: Jerry Crewe. And if I can take a person there
Speaker 2: to the exact spot where Jerry crewe cassette footprint, well
Speaker 2: that's pretty awesome. A lot of people are very interested
Speaker 2: in seeing stuff like that. The Paul Freeman film site,
Speaker 2: I couldn't find anything on YouTube, Cliff, outside of your
Speaker 2: patreon a video and your Patreon, there was nothing out there.
Speaker 2: I mean, you had Michael Freeman's book, but video wise,
Speaker 2: I couldn't find the Paul Freeman film site anywhere. And
Speaker 2: if I can show up there run people through the siding.
Speaker 2: I did measurements to the best of my ability and
Speaker 2: just give people a better picture of what happened to
Speaker 2: Paul Freeman that day. Well then mission accomplish. That's what
Speaker 2: I did with my Freeman film, with my Freeman video.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's plenty of these researchers that you know,
Speaker 2: they deserve to be shown to people. A lot of
Speaker 2: people would it would be a good bench fit to
Speaker 2: people to watch, you know how people like the Robert
Speaker 2: Laterman's of the world, you know, handle investigations and stuff
Speaker 2: because you know, you don't see him on the History Channel,
Speaker 2: you don't see him on a lot of featured on
Speaker 2: on a lot of things, you know, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people just like that. The Bluff Creek Project guys.
Speaker 2: I do a lot of work in Bluff Creek, and
Speaker 2: you know, I kind of bounce around a lot. I
Speaker 2: have videos in Washington, California, here in Idaho, a little
Speaker 2: bit all over the place. But I kind of try
Speaker 2: to go along with these stories and you can see
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot world through my eyes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: How many?
Speaker 3: How many things have you done?
Speaker 7: Jonathan?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: I think I got like, I think thirteen to fifteen
Speaker 2: something like that. But my videos are mostly like they
Speaker 2: run between you know, thirty minutes to an hour, and
Speaker 2: one thing I try to do is I try to
Speaker 2: keep them real cinematic entertaining, and I work with a
Speaker 2: lot of different people as far as like you know,
Speaker 2: I've gone out on expeditions with like the small Town
Speaker 2: Monsters guys. I mentioned the Bluff Creek project in this
Speaker 2: recent one. I was up at Bumping Lake, like we
Speaker 2: were talking about just a little bit ago, and I
Speaker 2: have this Mount Rainier video and you know, I'm very
Speaker 2: thankful just hit a million views, So that's a that's
Speaker 2: a good thing. And yeah, it's awesome, dude. And you know,
Speaker 2: I feature not just stuff that happens to me, but
Speaker 2: also the people that I interview and their evidence that
Speaker 2: they're willing to share. So, for example, I was up
Speaker 2: in Mount Rainier. I'm sorry it's called Mount Rainier Sasquatch,
Speaker 2: but we were out in the out spirits at Bumping
Speaker 2: Lake and right there at California Camp. You know, we
Speaker 2: had spent the night and in the morning we kind
Speaker 2: of walked back in there and we just had these
Speaker 2: super super loud rock clacks and they happened very consistently,
Speaker 2: and it was over the course of like two and
Speaker 2: a half hours where we were chasing around whatever was
Speaker 2: making these rock clacks. And as soon as we would
Speaker 2: get close to it, you'd hear bam, smash boom, and
Speaker 2: it would move and then it would start clacking rocks again.
Speaker 2: And you know that back there behind California Camp, it's
Speaker 2: so thick that you know, you can't take two steps,
Speaker 2: you take one step. You got to step over a log,
Speaker 2: step down from a log onto a rock, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's really slow moving back there, and whatever was
Speaker 2: moving back there was moving real quick. And it's kind
Speaker 2: of funny because after we recorded and heard all of
Speaker 2: these rock clacks, we got back home only to find
Speaker 2: out that there was a BFRO expedition two weeks that
Speaker 2: was there two weeks prior to us. They have the
Speaker 2: exact same raw clacks recorded, and we're doing the exact
Speaker 2: same thing that we were. There's also other things like
Speaker 2: I interviewed it a gentleman named Kristin Jolton who has
Speaker 2: some of the best assquatch recordings that I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: In fact, I personally like them more than the Sierra sounds,
Speaker 2: just because we can visit the location and talk to
Speaker 2: the person. These are a lot newer. They're only from
Speaker 2: just a few years ago, and now there are these
Speaker 2: long singing vocals coming from different directions, from multiple individuals,
Speaker 2: and I've had a lot of people tell me, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't believe in Bigfoot. I don't think any things
Speaker 2: out there, but when I hear these recordings, it really
Speaker 2: changes my mind and they've become interested, which is my goal.
Speaker 2: You know, things like these vocalizations, researchers going out recording things.
Speaker 2: You don't see these things a lot on YouTube or
Speaker 2: on any any other channel, any other platform. So I
Speaker 2: like to bring all that stuff to people. I filmed
Speaker 2: part two of that Mount Rainier. It's called Return of
Speaker 2: the mount Rainier Sasquatch, and it should be out within
Speaker 2: a month or so. And in that, you know, I
Speaker 2: sat down with other researchers, like the study Sasquatch guys.
Speaker 2: I think they're got there like the best thing that's
Speaker 2: going for Bigfoot research right now. Oh yeah, yeah. I
Speaker 2: interviewed them about their cameras that they developed, their thermal
Speaker 2: imaging cameras that they can set out there for a
Speaker 2: couple months at a time, and they're they're recording nightlife
Speaker 2: in a way that I've never seen before. I mean,
Speaker 2: they have things like an owl jumping down after a
Speaker 2: flying squirrel that you set on night and crystal clear
Speaker 2: and thermal imatures, you know, so it's it's really interesting.
Speaker 2: We also show their methods as well as our methods,
Speaker 2: you know, like walking the roads at night, and their
Speaker 2: use of technology, both audio and visually is superior to
Speaker 2: anybody that I've ever I've ever worked with, and I
Speaker 2: do show that. I sit down and interview them and
Speaker 2: talk to them about it. But yeah, it's a real
Speaker 2: neat thing. I'm just trying to bring all that to
Speaker 2: the forefront, showing the best research that's going on, bringing
Speaker 2: that to people's homes so they can watch it for free.
Speaker 5: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: There's all these compelling stories for Bigfoot, for the existence
Speaker 2: of Bigfoot, and that's what I try to get out
Speaker 2: there through my videos. I want people to watch my
Speaker 2: videos and you know, say, wow, it's not a bunch
Speaker 2: of crazy people running in the woods. You know, these
Speaker 2: people are legit and they're really seeing things.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Of course we are a bunch of really crazy people
Speaker 2: running around in the woods, but I don't want to.
Speaker 5: But it's not why we're crazy. Is the point exactly correct?
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 5: So you've been to the Patterson side, obviously, you've been
Speaker 5: to the Freeman's site. You've been interviewing various researchers that
Speaker 5: you respect. Do you have a wish list of things
Speaker 5: that you want to get to or any plans for
Speaker 5: the summer. I mean it's squatching season right now. So
Speaker 5: what are your plans for the summer as far as
Speaker 5: your your next videos that you want to make or
Speaker 5: things that you want to try to get.
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, So one of my things is I'm going
Speaker 2: to be back in Bluff Creek in a few weeks.
Speaker 2: I have a series of interviews that I've already recorded
Speaker 2: with people like Thomas Steinberg, Dustin Severs that wrote The
Speaker 2: Abominable Snowman of California, and other people like Inker, a
Speaker 2: shaman for the Hoopa tribe, you know, and I paint
Speaker 2: this really good picture of everything that happened there in
Speaker 2: the logging area. That was my goal to put this
Speaker 2: documentary out called The Legend of Bluff Creek that covers
Speaker 2: everything that happened in the logging era, which I'm fast
Speaker 2: in with over there. And aside from that, my plan
Speaker 2: is to do a bunch of Idaho stuff. This is
Speaker 2: gonna be the summer of Idaho stuff. I have at
Speaker 2: least three witnesses lined up that I'm going to go
Speaker 2: out into the field with and camp where they had
Speaker 2: their experiences. Just one of them was just last year,
Speaker 2: where it was a girl who went camping, came back
Speaker 2: home and was telling her mom, You're not going to
Speaker 2: believe this. We're camping and the weirdest thing happened. You know,
Speaker 2: I had these rocks thrown over my head into the river.
Speaker 2: And she's going, well, what do you mean? She goes,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how somebody could have
Speaker 2: been there. It doesn't make any sense to me. But
Speaker 2: we watched several rocks go over our heads out into
Speaker 2: the river, and she had no idea that this was
Speaker 2: something that's affiliated to Sasquatch until her dad started thinking
Speaker 2: and going, you know, I think I've seen this on
Speaker 2: some show before or something like that, sort of telling
Speaker 2: her does this sound familiar? And they looked it up
Speaker 2: and they're going, oh my gosh. So of course they
Speaker 2: come and tell me about it, and I'm trying to
Speaker 2: organize getting out there with them. There was another person
Speaker 2: that had an encounter with something far off in the
Speaker 2: distance that was I sh that was just way too
Speaker 2: tall to be a bear. So yeah, I'm working on
Speaker 2: a lot of Idaho stuff this summer, as well as
Speaker 2: the Bluff Creek stuff. I do plan to get out
Speaker 2: to Washington and film out there, probably with the study
Speaker 2: Sasquatch guys. I do plan to return to places like
Speaker 2: Bumping Lake and other places that are on the outskirts
Speaker 2: of Mount Rainier. So it's going to be a busy,
Speaker 2: busy summer. This is probably gonna be the busiest summer
Speaker 2: that I've ever had as far as doing content and
Speaker 2: getting out to places and researching. And you know, I
Speaker 2: am a researcher first and consider myself filmmaker later. Like
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even be making videos about anything if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for Bigfoot, Like that's.
Speaker 3: My aren't you trained in film?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, that's the thing with me. I
Speaker 2: learned everything I learned just to put out Bigfoot documentaries.
Speaker 2: Like it was so important to me to put out
Speaker 2: good information for people that were kind of like me
Speaker 2: when I got into the subject. I mean, I was
Speaker 2: lucky I had a show called Finding Bigfoot to watch
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of Monster Quest stuff going on,
Speaker 2: and you know, those shows haven't been on for a while,
Speaker 2: and you know, there has to be something to fill
Speaker 2: the void. There has to be. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: great podcasts, there are a few great channels out there
Speaker 2: that put out documentaries, but I just felt that they
Speaker 2: weren't touching on the things that I thought were most interesting,
Speaker 2: and that made a very compelling case for the existence
Speaker 2: of Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: Thinking well, you're doing in the right order, you see,
Speaker 5: because what I think the fault with the modern culture
Speaker 5: is that they decide to be an influencer first, and
Speaker 5: then oh what could I Oh big I like Bigfoot,
Speaker 5: I'll do that, Whereas I think the correct order is
Speaker 5: be a bigfooter first and then later, oh I could
Speaker 5: probably make a video on this and maybe somebody will care.
Speaker 5: You know, if you do what you love, good things
Speaker 5: will follow, instead of trying to say, well, I need followers,
Speaker 5: what do I need to do? Oh, Bigfoot's a small pool.
Speaker 5: I can be a big fish there. And that's that
Speaker 5: seems to be the order that too many people are
Speaker 5: going in nowadays. In my opinion, So kudos to you,
Speaker 5: my friend.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you very much. Yeah yeah, now, I see
Speaker 2: it a lot, and you know, I definitely try to
Speaker 2: differentiate myself from those those types.
Speaker 5: Right Well, I actually I may be down in Bluff
Speaker 5: Creek actually, so i'll see. I'll get some dates of
Speaker 5: when you're going to be down there. Maybe we can
Speaker 5: rendezvous if I happen to be down there the same
Speaker 5: week as you. I've got some things I need to
Speaker 5: do down there at the Willow Creek Museum. They're giving
Speaker 5: me access to some of their casts that have never
Speaker 5: been copied before. So I'm going to go down there
Speaker 5: and spend some time down there in the next month,
Speaker 5: hopefully if I can break away from my obligations up here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let me know. There's a lot. Hopefully we
Speaker 2: meet up there. There's a lot i'd want to show you.
Speaker 2: We've been going there for I want to say, like
Speaker 2: seven or eight years now, and I know you guys
Speaker 2: have tons of stories, but I have a few of
Speaker 2: my own, you know, hearing vocalizations that I've I heard
Speaker 2: some of the craziest vocalizations that I've ever heard at
Speaker 2: Layered Meadow. So there's a lot of there's a lot
Speaker 2: of things like that. I'd want to show you that recorded.
Speaker 2: We all had audio running, but the screens were so
Speaker 2: distant and faint that nobody could pick it up. I mean,
Speaker 2: we sent it to everyone we know that can that
Speaker 2: can sift through audio, and they couldn't get it. Chris
Speaker 2: Spencer couldn't get it. So yeah, but it was it was.
Speaker 2: It was these long vocalizations that went on for like
Speaker 2: twenty seconds each, and it sounded like a guy on
Speaker 2: a roller coaster going up and down and up and down,
Speaker 2: and there was so distant that you almost thought that
Speaker 2: they were in your head until I confirmed it with Alex.
Speaker 2: He goes you hearing this too, I go, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: I hear this. And then the other group right about
Speaker 2: a mile away radios to us describing the exact same vocalization,
Speaker 2: so they were hearing it too, but it was just
Speaker 2: so quiet and so faint that our audio recorders unfortunately
Speaker 2: did not pick him up. So it's just another story
Speaker 2: in the bank. But I have recorded a vocalization there
Speaker 2: the year prior to that, so and it came from
Speaker 2: the exact same direction. It's up on the hill away
Speaker 2: from layered meadow. And that's the most beautiful thing about
Speaker 2: Bluff Creek is that you know you have stuff going
Speaker 2: on there in the Golden era, big footing in the sixties,
Speaker 2: and you know you still have stuff going on there today,
Speaker 2: and it makes you really feel like you're a part
Speaker 2: of history. If you go up there to that Bluff
Speaker 2: Creek area and you know your history, it's like an
Speaker 2: outdoor museum, and an outdoor museum where stuff still happening
Speaker 2: in the same exact places we've had. Stuff happened exactly
Speaker 2: where Jerry Crew cast the Bigfoot track. So yeah, it's
Speaker 2: this is such a cool connection. Makes you feel like
Speaker 2: you're all just part of that history.
Speaker 5: Seeing the nineteen fifty eight on the Notice Creek bridge
Speaker 5: really drove it home for me back in the day
Speaker 5: when I started going there in the mid nineties or whatever,
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, yeah, look at that nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 5: I bet Jerry Crew built this bridge, and sure enough
Speaker 5: he did. Actually, once I became more knowledgeable about the
Speaker 5: history back in the day, it's like, oh yeah, that's
Speaker 5: where Jerry was of course, So.
Speaker 2: It's so cool. And I mean we were even up
Speaker 2: near Layered at a little cutout there and we found
Speaker 2: pieces of heavy machinery and when you kind of rub
Speaker 2: the rust off a little bit, you see the date,
Speaker 2: and the date was nineteen fifty one, and you see
Speaker 2: that on one of my videos. So we found machinery
Speaker 2: from the golden era of the logging the logging times
Speaker 2: up there, and that's just really neat to me. That's
Speaker 2: very cool.
Speaker 5: And since you're familiar with Laired Meadow, you know a
Speaker 5: little pond right there by the only real campsite there
Speaker 5: is in the area.
Speaker 2: Now, it's exactly where we found this heavy machinery pieces.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that pond is where Bob Titmas got the handprint
Speaker 5: that he had to drain the pond with the help
Speaker 5: of his friends from the Barrier group. Then he casts
Speaker 5: a line of tracks leading up to it or whatever
Speaker 5: that are on all those casts. The original handprint as
Speaker 5: well as the footprints are in the Willow Creek Museum
Speaker 5: as well. So but yeah, that that's actually the pond
Speaker 5: where Bob tit did that work.
Speaker 2: Which we stood at that pond and we're just looking
Speaker 2: at the water flowing into it and going, I cannot
Speaker 2: believe that this guy that must have been a heck
Speaker 2: of a handprint, because I cannot believe that this guy
Speaker 2: he would have had to reroute the waterway and then
Speaker 2: drain it for like one guy to do for a
Speaker 2: handprint like that's impressive.
Speaker 5: It was so late in the year, it may not
Speaker 5: be that much of a deal actually, you know, because
Speaker 5: it was an audio October actually the late October that
Speaker 5: that happens. So maybe the water is just oother that
Speaker 5: that's great. That probably helped. Yeah, yeah, I sure did.
Speaker 5: And of course a rather handprints in the mud as well.
Speaker 5: You can see him in the photographs that were taken
Speaker 5: at the site, but he just casts that one unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, there were you know, you also got
Speaker 2: the Patterson print that was taken some time around there.
Speaker 2: I believe it was Pat Graves, a for service worker
Speaker 2: that took him up there and showed him this trackway
Speaker 2: and Patterson cast his there. So yeah, very active area
Speaker 2: back then, still an active area today. There was that hair.
Speaker 2: The first time I ended up meeting you was when
Speaker 2: we all brought samples of hair that we collected out
Speaker 2: of layered meadow, brought him up to the NABC there
Speaker 2: to get him looked at. You have a great database
Speaker 2: to compare all these hairs to and you also know
Speaker 2: what you're doing. I have tried to look at hairs
Speaker 2: under a microscope and my gosh, it is way more
Speaker 2: difficult than I thought. You got to really know what
Speaker 2: you're doing. So you know, luckily you just threw them
Speaker 2: right up there identified them all as bear. But you know,
Speaker 2: we weren't the We were there and layered a meadow
Speaker 2: with several people picking hairs off of trees, and my
Speaker 2: buddy Damian Irons, he picked out a hair and the
Speaker 2: one that he took to you, that's the one that
Speaker 2: looked like sasquatch. I talk about the Fahrenbach Gold Standard
Speaker 2: on my channel. I have a little segment about that,
Speaker 2: just kind of educating the public over what that is
Speaker 2: and how doctor Henry Fahrenbach, a primatologist, had collected these
Speaker 2: hairs and you know, he had a dozen or so
Speaker 2: hair that didn't fall into the category of any animal,
Speaker 2: and it had certain characteristics and made them they were
Speaker 2: very unique. And you know, these hair were also found
Speaker 2: after a sasquatch siding, or you know, found on trees
Speaker 2: in our case that looked like they were manipulated by hands.
Speaker 2: There were these trees with these twists on the top,
Speaker 2: and that's what we were pulling these hairs off of.
Speaker 2: And I mean we knew that they were more than
Speaker 2: likely bear maybe elk, But this one that we grabbed
Speaker 2: was about like six inches long and looked totally different
Speaker 2: than anything else we grabbed, and that was the one
Speaker 2: that Damon kept with him. So that whole thing is
Speaker 2: in one of my videos. I think I called it
Speaker 2: a Bluff Creek Bigfoot evidence, and it just takes you
Speaker 2: on the journey of us, you know, trying to collect evidence,
Speaker 2: going out to Layered Meadow, looking at these trees and
Speaker 2: picking out you know, hair and the whole process of
Speaker 2: getting them looked at. We also stopped by you know,
Speaker 2: doctor Meldrum's office and got hair looked at as well.
Speaker 2: He was interested in looking at more of it, and
Speaker 2: I just show you, you know, his commentary on that.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of learning about hair that you
Speaker 2: can do by watching that episode.
Speaker 5: Well, now luckily we have a Darby study and he
Speaker 5: has a I just spoke to Derby pretty recently last week.
Speaker 5: The hair thing is moving ahead. He's got a great
Speaker 5: team of upper level like grad students, I guess or
Speaker 5: PhD students at some level who specialize in hair. So
Speaker 5: don't set them to me anymore. Send them to Darby
Speaker 5: or Cut at the North Carolina State University for an
Speaker 5: absolute positive identification for every single sample.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what happened with this hair. It actually
Speaker 2: ended up in his possession, so that's good news.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And of course I've been sending Derby the Meldrum
Speaker 5: collection hair as well. Jeff had quite a few samples,
Speaker 5: and I mean, just by looking at a lot of these,
Speaker 5: I know that they're not sasquatches, but that doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: I'm sending them to Derby. There's some sort of a
Speaker 5: lot of cow and horse and things like that, but
Speaker 5: there's a lot of very very interesting samples, and I say,
Speaker 5: oh man, this could very well be the real deal
Speaker 5: right here. So he's getting everything and now it's just
Speaker 5: a waiting game. So it would be very very interesting
Speaker 5: to see if anything good comes out of that stuff.
Speaker 5: Are there any places that people can meet you in
Speaker 5: person or perhaps reach out to you, like, what's the
Speaker 5: best way to do that?
Speaker 2: You can find me via Instagram, Western Bigfood Exploration, find
Speaker 2: me on YouTube, drop a comment on that channel. Western
Speaker 2: Bigfood exploration, but also this September, I believe the weekend
Speaker 2: of the twenty sixth, there is a Sasquatch Festival going
Speaker 2: on in Packwood, Washington, and I'm going to be one
Speaker 2: of the speakers. We're also having Moneymaker, He's going to
Speaker 2: be kind of hosting the whole thing. There's a long
Speaker 2: list of great people involved, from Nathaniel Bronis to Shane Corson.
Speaker 2: There's already ticket sales. Ticket sales are already up. You
Speaker 2: can visit Beyond the Footprint dot com and buy your
Speaker 2: tickets there, and I hope to meet all of you.
Speaker 2: They're doing a lot of really new things at this
Speaker 2: Assquatch Festival, including they're going to do like a night
Speaker 2: investigation up in the mountains and stream that with starlink
Speaker 2: so everyone can see. So a lot of new concepts.
Speaker 2: They're really trying to grow this thing to be a
Speaker 2: really good legit and science based festival. So it sounds
Speaker 2: like a lot of fun and I hope to see
Speaker 2: you guys there in September. Excellent.
Speaker 5: I've not been to that conference, but I've been hearing
Speaker 5: good things about it, and I'm glad to hear it's
Speaker 5: going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. We need
Speaker 5: more local stuff on the West coast. People have been
Speaker 5: kind of lamenting to me. It's like all the conferences
Speaker 5: and all the fun get together seem to be an
Speaker 5: East coast of thing, and there's a couple out here,
Speaker 5: but not compared to back East Man, there's probably twice
Speaker 5: as MANI three times is many, back E says, all
Speaker 5: right here, So I'm glad that one seems to be
Speaker 5: going strong well. Jonathan, thank you so much for spending
Speaker 5: some time with us and sharing us, sharing with us
Speaker 5: what you're up to, as well as your on site
Speaker 5: investigation of that excellent sighting report that is on the
Speaker 5: BFRO website. We appreciate your insight, and if you ever
Speaker 5: get anything else you want to share with us, by
Speaker 5: all means, just reach out.
Speaker 2: You are more than welcome to come back on. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you very much. And you should see a video
Speaker 2: about that. We're talking here about that whole incident, and
Speaker 2: I want to show it to you guys on camera.
Speaker 2: So I hope you guys watch that. You know, sub
Speaker 2: subscribe to my channel and you'll see it soon.
Speaker 3: His channel's definitely quality over quantity. There's not a lot
Speaker 3: of videos in there, but they're all great. So yeah, folks,
Speaker 3: that was Jonathan easily. Thanks Jonathan for joining us, and
Speaker 3: until next week, folks, y'all keep it squatchy.
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