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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Capless and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 1>edition of The Dan Caplis Show. Please be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>single day on your favorite podcast platform. The American way is,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't commit insurrections. Somebody tell Mike Johnston that the

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<v Speaker 1>mayor of Denver. Okay, this is an unbelievable story. If

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't heard each hat extraordinarily dangerous. But let's the

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<v Speaker 1>celebration continue, right, and it does with Pam Bondy now

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<v Speaker 1>nominated for US Attorney General. Ryan very happy back there

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<v Speaker 1>because he predicted it and.

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<v Speaker 2>Appears to be a very good pick.

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<v Speaker 3>This.

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<v Speaker 1>You know she's going to be confirmed and confirmed quickly, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So after Matt Gates with Drew she again, do you think.

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<v Speaker 4>This might have been kind of the plan all along?

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<v Speaker 4>Or Trump had this in mind? Meaning compared to Matt Gates,

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<v Speaker 4>who you and I agree and Andy McCarthy said, is

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<v Speaker 4>qualifications were scant. Pam Bondi has been the Attorney general

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<v Speaker 4>of the state of Florida. She's a slam dunk.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a slam dunk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, personally, No, I don't think the master plan was

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<v Speaker 1>to as Fetterman said, you know, just just troll the

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<v Speaker 1>left with with Gates. I don't think that was a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>I think President Trump truly wanted Gates. But Trump, being

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<v Speaker 1>a smart guy, I think he had Pam Bondi in

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<v Speaker 1>the back of his mind and maybe in the front

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<v Speaker 1>of his mind for a long time now.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, that nominee.

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<v Speaker 1>Is going to sail through very very quickly, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Left may very well regret, you know, just forcing Trump

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<v Speaker 1>to appoint Pam Bondi because she does have that experience,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think she's going to be very very effective,

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<v Speaker 1>as effective as anybody can be in executing President Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>vision for the Department of Justice. So and this may

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<v Speaker 1>be one of the first issues on her desk here.

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<v Speaker 1>You know Mike Johnston. You know, first of all, has

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Johnston already committed a crime? I don't believe so.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, that's not my area of law. I do

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<v Speaker 1>catastrophic injury work, I don't do criminal work, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>certainly not an expert in rebellion or insurrection eighteen USC.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty three eighty three. Are there other laws that Johnston

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<v Speaker 1>may have already violated maybe, but I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he has violated the law at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if he does what he has promised to do,

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<v Speaker 1>he will clearly be engaging in insurrection and will be

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<v Speaker 1>guilty of it, and the federal government willly dect very

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<v Speaker 1>quickly to apprehend him and fully enforce the law as

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<v Speaker 1>they should. Because let me start with the Kyle Clark tweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Here quite the statement from Denver Mayor Mike Johnston that

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<v Speaker 1>Denver police and citizens would physically block a mass deportation

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<v Speaker 1>by federal forces. So you have the mayor of Denver

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<v Speaker 1>promising that he will order the Denver police to physically

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<v Speaker 1>block federal forces as they attempt to carry out federal law.

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<v Speaker 1>What could possibly go wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that is, by the way, kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>text book definition of insurrection. And you think about the

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<v Speaker 1>cruel irony that are the same democrats in Colorado, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so devoted to democracy they were going to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>the people of Colorado didn't even have the option of

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<v Speaker 1>voting for the guy who won the presidency. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>how committed to democracy they are. But they falsely label

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<v Speaker 1>Trump an insurrectionist while now promising promising a literal insurrection,

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<v Speaker 1>because when you go to eighteen USC. Twenty three eighty three,

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<v Speaker 1>and again, I don't claim to be an expert in this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just a lawyer who reads statutes. But what this

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<v Speaker 1>statute says is whoever incits, sets on foot, assists, or

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<v Speaker 1>the United States or the laws thereof, or gives ad

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<v Speaker 1>or comfort there too shall be fined not or in

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<v Speaker 1>prison not more than ten years or both. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the fine amount in the body. But in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of how you define insurrection, there's no actual definition in

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<v Speaker 1>the statute. What courts have interpreted it to include, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is acts intended to impede the enforcement of federal laws.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we call on all fours in the legal business.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mike Johnston is now publicly promised to commit an

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<v Speaker 1>active insurrection, and then on top of that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>dpds stationed at the county line to keep them out,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have fifty thousand Denver rights there. Johnston said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like the Tieneman Square moment with the Roses and

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<v Speaker 1>the gun right. So in addition to promising to engage

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<v Speaker 1>in insurrection, he is now encouraging tens of thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>Denver rights to come out and take on federal law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of the most insane things I've ever heard,

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<v Speaker 1>But you got to understand, and I may be a

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<v Speaker 1>little more sensitive to it as a son of a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty year cop, but I don't think I am. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you feel the same way. Mike Johnston is a

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<v Speaker 1>smart guy who does stupid things. He must understand that.

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<v Speaker 1>By coming out and saying these words, promising to send

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<v Speaker 1>Denver police out to take on federal law enforcement, calling

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<v Speaker 1>on tens of thousands of Colorado's to take to the

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<v Speaker 1>streets to stop federal law enforcement, comparing it to the

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<v Speaker 1>nobility of Tieneman Square to protect these criminal illegals. He's

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<v Speaker 1>putting an even bigger target on the backs of federal

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement all across Colorado. There are so many haters.

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<v Speaker 1>The left has ginned up so much at I copy had,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know there are nut jobs out there Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>a disproportionate number of nutjobs because of the far left

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<v Speaker 1>politics mixed with the legal drugs and all that garbage.

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<v Speaker 1>You think Johnston cares about the additional danger he has

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<v Speaker 1>just created. This is danger creation that he has just

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<v Speaker 1>create it for our federal law enforcement officers.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't care about that.

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<v Speaker 1>All he cares about is getting the attention of the

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<v Speaker 1>crazy far left that runs the National Democratic Party and

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<v Speaker 1>controls who gets the big money and who wins primaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Rerex Ann, you're on the Dan Kapla show.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome, good guy.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for having me. Government's main purpose, one of their

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<v Speaker 5>main purposes is to protect the citizen degree of the

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<v Speaker 5>country and the world. We have a leftist government that

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<v Speaker 5>has done nothing to protect the people in this country,

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<v Speaker 5>and they continue. Denver has devolved into a sesspool. We've

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<v Speaker 5>seen it. Our son lives through it. My son in

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<v Speaker 5>law's about ready to go to the sut team inauguration

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<v Speaker 5>to protect ourment government. And they're shitting themselves in the

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<v Speaker 5>foot and they're shooting us in the foot. Women, children.

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<v Speaker 5>No one's safe in this country any longer. Only the illegals.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate the call.

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<v Speaker 1>Recks and I think when you have the mayor of

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<v Speaker 1>Denver promising an insurrection against the enforcement of federal law,

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<v Speaker 1>and think about the profound lack of respect for law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about that, these are our best, and our brightest

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<v Speaker 1>and our bravest Denver PD other law enforcement. To disrespect

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<v Speaker 1>them by saying he's going to send them out to

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<v Speaker 1>fight federal law enforcement, he must have such a dim

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<v Speaker 1>view of Denver PD. He must view them as idiots.

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<v Speaker 1>He must view them as as just these little peons

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<v Speaker 1>and tools that he can use for his own political purposes.

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<v Speaker 1>To even suggest he certainly doesn't have respect for them,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, to suggest that he would order our law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement to go out and fight our federal law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 1>go out and physically block them from doing their duty,

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<v Speaker 1>shows a profound disrespect for Denver PD. Let's go up

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<v Speaker 1>to Mick and Littleton, you're on the Dan Kaplo Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Also shows he doesn't of a darn about the people

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<v Speaker 1>at Denver. How's this supposed to help the people at Denver?

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<v Speaker 1>Who relies so much on federal grants, et cetera. To

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<v Speaker 1>go out and publicly taunt Donald Trump, how does that

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<v Speaker 1>help the people at Never It helps Mike Johnston, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to get some attention from the big money on the

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<v Speaker 1>far left and his race for governor. How does that

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<v Speaker 1>help the people at Denver Mack.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, Dan, how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Ticked off?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know it's hard. You get out of work

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<v Speaker 6>and you come home and you listen to the news,

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<v Speaker 6>and did you shake your head anymore? You know. The

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<v Speaker 6>way I look at this is, you know, four years ago,

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<v Speaker 6>when the Democrats took power, they swung that gate wide

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<v Speaker 6>open because whoever's driving their agenda, that's what they wanted.

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<v Speaker 6>Now they want to protect their agenda. They want to

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<v Speaker 6>do two things. Their goal here is protect their agenda

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<v Speaker 6>and created much chaos for Donald Trump's presidency.

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<v Speaker 3>It's possible.

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<v Speaker 6>And of course Mike Johnson, you know, he wants to

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<v Speaker 6>carry the torch. And you know, whoever whoever carries the

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<v Speaker 6>torch and wins in the Democratic Party, they're the ones

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<v Speaker 6>who obviously get promoted in this chaos. So of course

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<v Speaker 6>Mike Johnson, he is hoping to advance his agenda, which

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<v Speaker 6>advances whoever's driving the agenda for the Democratic Party. And

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<v Speaker 6>it's uh, it's just amazing, amazing. And you were speaking

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<v Speaker 6>earlier how they blatantly ignore the laws. They redefine the

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<v Speaker 6>laws to him. Yeah, it doesn't apply to them, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>for a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little guy like me.

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<v Speaker 6>Foh, it's so frustrated to sit back and watch. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>I was watching Polus on the news the other day

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<v Speaker 6>and he was saying, how they're they're, they're And you

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<v Speaker 6>know what Poust needs to realize is in Colorado if

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<v Speaker 6>you look at the numbers. Yeah, yeah, well Trump may

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<v Speaker 6>not have won Colorado, but a lot of people here

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<v Speaker 6>in Colorado sure will overrul.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is so true, Mick, And I'm so sorry

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<v Speaker 1>we're up against the heart break here, but you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean about forty percent of the people. But what

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<v Speaker 1>is clear right here, it's an extraordinary moment if you

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<v Speaker 1>just joined us, and extraordinarily dangerous Mayor Johnston, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>has come out according to these statements he made in

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<v Speaker 1>the press, and in my constitutionally protected view, it appears

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<v Speaker 1>to me he's just promising an insurrection. Send Denver police

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<v Speaker 1>out to take on federal law enforcement when they come

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<v Speaker 1>to lawfully execute the laws of the United States and immigration. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinarily dangerous. You're on the Dan Capla Show.

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<v Speaker 7>And now back to the Dan Taplas Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at least now.

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<v Speaker 1>We know what a real insurrectionist looks like, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we have all this, all this false allegation against Trump

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<v Speaker 1>he's an insurrectionistist, or that the Democratic Party in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>the laugh tries to throw Trump off the ballot so

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<v Speaker 1>that people don't even have the option of voting for him,

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<v Speaker 1>and they say he's an insurrectionist. And then there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of talk in that case about, oh, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>definition of an insurrectionist because under Colorado statue pardon me,

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Statute eighteen Usc. Twenty three eighty three, rebellion or insurrection,

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<v Speaker 1>the term insurrection is not defined. Now a body of

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<v Speaker 1>law has grown up around that statute, which which defines

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<v Speaker 1>insurrection in part is x intended to impede the enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>Of federal law.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so you get all these false and phony insurrection

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<v Speaker 1>claims against Trump to the extent of trying to remove

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<v Speaker 1>him from the Colorado ballot. But then you get Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Johnston who just makes it easy, doesn't he. Now, Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>my area of law is not insurrection law. I represent

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<v Speaker 1>victims in catastrophic injury cases. But it seems to me

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<v Speaker 1>that when you've got a mayor are out there promising

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Kyle Clark's tweet on it. Quite the statement from

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<v Speaker 1>Denver Mayor Mike Johnston that Denver police and citizens would

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<v Speaker 1>quoting Johnston as saying, to the Denver right, and I

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<v Speaker 1>the administration, would likely resist a mass deportation effort from

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<v Speaker 1>federal forces. Quote more than us having dpds stationed at

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<v Speaker 1>the county line to keep them out, you would have

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<v Speaker 1>Tienemann Square moment with the Roses and the gun right,

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<v Speaker 1>that he's assembled a private militia of tens of thousands. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>when he's saying, first we're going to use DPD to

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<v Speaker 1>will have fifty thousand Denver rights there. He's obviously encouraging that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's obviously encouraging tens of thousands of Denver rights to

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<v Speaker 1>the federal forces to do that. He's just saying, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to use Denver police and tens of thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>Denver rights to stop the federal government. How's that anything

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<v Speaker 1>less than an insurrection?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And where's Polus on this right?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they were all so quick to, oh, my goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>Where are they on Johnston?

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing that right now, immediately, as of today, he has

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<v Speaker 1>great men and women serving as US Marshals, border patrol, ice,

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<v Speaker 1>rather etc. Here in Colorado and others. He's put them

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<v Speaker 1>all in danger. He's there are a lot of whack

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<v Speaker 1>of that copp he Hayd comes from the left fomenting

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<v Speaker 1>copp haid and he's just said, no, they're so bad,

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<v Speaker 1>They're so bad We're going to use Denver police to

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan, My question is what happens to any police officer

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<v Speaker 1>who follows Johnson's illegal orders? I think, and again, this

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<v Speaker 1>as more of a layman's reaction to this. I think

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<v Speaker 1>any police officer who followed that illegal order and physically

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<v Speaker 1>prevented federal law enforcement from executing federal law, I think

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<v Speaker 1>those police officers would be facing federal charges as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I'm very confident. They're very very confident that

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<v Speaker 1>There are best, there are bravest, and Johnston is showing

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<v Speaker 1>such disrespect to them by suggesting that he could use

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<v Speaker 1>them to go out and stop the law from being enforced.

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<v Speaker 1>How little respect must you have for Denver police to

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<v Speaker 1>no respect for the fact that these are men and

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<v Speaker 1>women who've devoted their professional careers to putting their life

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<v Speaker 1>on the line to protect the public. Kind Of at

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<v Speaker 1>the polar opposite end of the spectrum from Johnston, when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to commitment to the public. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>just showing complete and utter disrespect for them. Carol and Denver,

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<v Speaker 5>Hello, Hello, Carol, Hi there, Dan. Hey.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm so completely disgusted. I cannot believe he has got

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<v Speaker 8>the utter gall to do this. Here's two thoughts. Wouldn't

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<v Speaker 8>it be hilarious It's a Denver police said, oh no,

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<v Speaker 8>you don't. And we're not about to help you out

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<v Speaker 8>with this. We're not going to participate. It's not like

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<v Speaker 8>it's not like the left has had their backs. And

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<v Speaker 8>number two, the point I'd like to make is, don't

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<v Speaker 8>you think this is kind of a dog whistle to

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<v Speaker 8>other to other Red states to do the same thing

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<v Speaker 8>as he just kind of stepping up like the hero

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<v Speaker 8>or the illegal immigrants, and he's just kind of like,

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<v Speaker 8>let's just do this. I'll start it. I'll step out first.

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<v Speaker 8>Let's you guys kind of join me. How dare he

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<v Speaker 8>start a civil war? How dare he put first responders

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<v Speaker 8>and police officers and other citizens in the caught in

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<v Speaker 8>the cross fire in danger? This little punk needs to

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not calling him upon can. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>he can be arrested right now. What I'm saying is

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<v Speaker 1>that he's advocating an insurrection. In my constitutionally protected opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>if he engages in this behavior, I believe that he

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<v Speaker 2>But Carol just made a brilliant point that that's exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>He is encouraging now other mayors in other cities to

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<v Speaker 1>do the same thing, to do the same thing, to

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<v Speaker 1>promise an insurrection. And I believe she's right that he's

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<v Speaker 1>encouraging them. And think about it, Every mayor, every governor

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<v Speaker 1>who does this right now is immediately putting their federal

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<v Speaker 1>to them. How can you interpret it any other way?

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<v Speaker 1>And when we come back from this break, there's more

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<v Speaker 1>in this story. Sheriff Friems will join us. But Johnston

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<v Speaker 1>in this Denveright piece actually refers to He talks about

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<v Speaker 1>some of the federal forces, some of the National Guard

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<v Speaker 1>Trump may bring to Colorado to execute this as invaders,

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<v Speaker 1>as invaders invading the state of Colorado Sheriff frames next

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<v Speaker 1>here on the Dan Capla Show.

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<v Speaker 7>You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>You've never seen anything like this, the Democrat mayor of

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<v Speaker 1>Denver promising to use Denver police to physically stop federal

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<v Speaker 1>agents from carrying out deportations in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's not my area of law. I do

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<v Speaker 2>catastrophic injury work.

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<v Speaker 1>But I got to tell you, it sure looks like

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<v Speaker 1>insurrection to me, and it gets worse from there.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll get back to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wanted to get the reaction of great lawman in Colorado,

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<v Speaker 1>served for so many years, so well in beautiful worldco

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<v Speaker 1>Many Colorado Sheriff, Steve Raims, Sheriff, Welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 3>Hey Dan, thanks for having me on again.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, anxious to get your take on this. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of anything like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's lunacy in my mind. You know, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>reason I don't go to Denver and I don't live

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<v Speaker 3>in Denver. I love the Free County as well, but

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<v Speaker 3>apparently if you live in Denver, part of the process

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<v Speaker 3>is that you've got to be willing to serve on

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<v Speaker 3>the mayor's army against the federal government. I guess I've

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<v Speaker 3>never heard of anything this ridiculous, and I hope it's

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<v Speaker 3>show voting and grandstanding, but the message that he's sending

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<v Speaker 3>is it's wholly dangerous in my mind. And to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about how you can wield the power of the Denver

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<v Speaker 3>Police Department to your own bidding, I mean, that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>such an abuse of power. I just can't believe you

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<v Speaker 3>put it out there. It's insanity.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and Sheriff, I've never served, you have, my dad did,

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<v Speaker 1>And to me, it seems such an insult to the

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<v Speaker 1>men and women who have served and put their lives

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<v Speaker 1>used as these little, mindless pawns to go out and

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<v Speaker 1>fight their federal law enforcement brothers and sisters. Well, not

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<v Speaker 1>even trying to argue Justin isn't even trying to argue

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<v Speaker 1>that that federal law doesn't preempt here that the law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement officers would be acting improperly and carrying out the deportations.

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<v Speaker 1>He just says, we're going to use force to stop it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think he's got a huge problem in his geta,

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<v Speaker 3>because I know a bunch of Denver PD officers and

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<v Speaker 3>their fine men and women. They believe in the oath

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<v Speaker 3>that they serve, and I think if given an order

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<v Speaker 3>such as that, he'd have a hard time getting them

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<v Speaker 3>to actually obey. There might be a few that would

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<v Speaker 3>go along, but I think for the most part, the

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<v Speaker 3>men and women of Denver, of the Denver Police Department

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<v Speaker 3>know what they're there to do, and it's not to

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<v Speaker 3>quote unquote protect the legal immigrants from federal ice officers.

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<v Speaker 3>That is nowhere in their oaths that they when they're

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<v Speaker 3>sworn into their positions, and most officers take that oath

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<v Speaker 3>very serious. I mean, they protect and serve their community,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is not the way to protect and serve

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<v Speaker 3>your community, especially when you're talking about, you know, putting

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<v Speaker 3>people who aren't supposed to be there right in front

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<v Speaker 3>of your in front of your regular citizens. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And obviously Trump said it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're starting with criminal illegals, and so Johnston

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<v Speaker 2>It just seems like madness.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as Sheriff Fraeme's our guests obviously, in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to the fact that, yeah, these men and women, because

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<v Speaker 1>illegal order. The other piece of it is what law

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm certain that there are some penalties not only

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<v Speaker 3>federally but also state by for interfering with governmental operations.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think there's some applicable statutes that all

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<v Speaker 3>But I think what Mayor Johnson doesn't realize too is

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<v Speaker 3>Ice can easily file warrants for all of these legal immigrants,

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<v Speaker 3>and a warrant forces an officer. That warrant will say

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<v Speaker 3>you shall arrest on contact. So Ice could actually flip

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<v Speaker 3>the script file federal warrants on all these people and

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<v Speaker 3>everybody that Denver pet came into contact with and learned

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<v Speaker 3>that they had a warrant, they would be obligated not

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<v Speaker 3>only to arrest them, but to take them to jail

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<v Speaker 3>until that warrant could be dealt with in the judicial system.

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<v Speaker 3>So Mayor Johnson doesn't have the authority that he thinks

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<v Speaker 3>their job. Yeah. I think they agree with most of America,

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<v Speaker 3>and they want to deal with the legal criminal aliens

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<v Speaker 3>are continuing to commit crime in their community. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>they're dealing with them every day. That's probably a large

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<v Speaker 3>part of their calls for service. There's no way they

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<v Speaker 3>want to stand in and protect these folks. I certainly wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't imagine that in an area where the problem

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<v Speaker 3>is much worse because they've invited it, and now you

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<v Speaker 3>want to turn around and defend these folks that you

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<v Speaker 3>and that you brought in. No way, no way, makes

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<v Speaker 1>Great point, Sheriff, and hey, appreciate your time today. How

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<v Speaker 1>can people follow you? Are you on social media?

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<v Speaker 3>I am, I've got I'm on Facebook and a little

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<v Speaker 3>to the real mean at each other, so typically on

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<v Speaker 3>Facebook and it's just well kind of Sheriff Steve dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, sure do you appreciate it and all the great

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<v Speaker 1>Hey five to five pour zero five A two five

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<v Speaker 1>three nine. As we get back to our fiery phone lines,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to this Denveright story because

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<v Speaker 1>so much of the focus, as it should be, is

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<v Speaker 1>on Mayor Johnston's promise to use Denver PD to physically

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<v Speaker 1>stop federal law enforcement from carrying out federal law. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Johnston talks about his prediction that fifty thousand Denver

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<v Speaker 1>Rights will take to the streets to physically block federal

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement from carrying out the law. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>advocates that. He advocates that by comparing it to Tieneman Square.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about that. Think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He's comparing our brave federal law enforcement officers carrying out

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<v Speaker 1>federal law. Johnston doesn't even try to contend that they're

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<v Speaker 1>acting illegally, carrying out federal law in order to protect

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<v Speaker 1>innocent civilians from criminal illegals. He compares those great Americans

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<v Speaker 1>to the Communist Party of China. Think about how far

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<v Speaker 1>gone he is. Think about how insidious and hateful that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about how little respect he has for law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 1>how little respect he has for the lives of innocent

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<v Speaker 1>people in Colorado, And clearly he doesn't care about the

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<v Speaker 1>people of Colorado because guess what, federal government can do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to help or her the city with funding.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's now openly taunting Donald Trump, which again almost

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<v Speaker 1>guarantees that Trump will begin his mass deportation efforts here.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to let you know this other part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Denveright story where Johnston compares National Guard troops

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<v Speaker 1>from other states who might be utilized by Trump, deputized

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<v Speaker 1>and utilized by Trump to carry out these deportations. That's

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<v Speaker 1>part of the plan that's been discussed. He compares those

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<v Speaker 1>brave men and women serving in other states to invaders.

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<v Speaker 1>He compares them to invaders. It's just it's extremely dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>and no, I'll go back to the phone lines now,

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<v Speaker 1>but it just immediately increases the danger to federal law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement officials. So let's get back to the phone lines,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll start with Oh, Chief Jim is kind enough

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<v Speaker 1>to be with us. He's now retired former chief of

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<v Speaker 1>Denver PD and now living peacefully in Castle Rock, Colorado. Chief,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the Dan Kapla show.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh thank you, Dan. Before we get started, to tell

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<v Speaker 9>me about your family, are they all well? Everybody good.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thanks for asking. Everybody's great. Thank you. How about

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, Well.

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<v Speaker 9>It couldn't any better help me, you know, I'm I'd

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<v Speaker 9>like to say I'm surprised at this, but I'm really not.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, there's I don't always been since we've had

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<v Speaker 9>a chief that wanted to protect the city without any

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<v Speaker 9>political restraints. But it's been a long time, buddy. What

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<v Speaker 9>it surprised you to know that as of three weeks

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<v Speaker 9>ago and I had this very good authority from active

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<v Speaker 9>members in order to satisfy the needs of the community.

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<v Speaker 9>Denver police officers are the males are able to wear

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<v Speaker 9>beards now and regardless of sex, they can color their hair.

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<v Speaker 9>I think they sit in that they can choose from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's gonna help.

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<v Speaker 9>That's well, that's a boy, that's a crime stopper right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, if people don't think that the police had been

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<v Speaker 9>news and then I'll take you back to the to

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<v Speaker 9>the throughs law enforcement throw whatever rally. It was in

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<v Speaker 9>city center, so sure ordered the tops out and very

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<v Speaker 9>brave Lieutenant Matt Canino said, no, no, we're not leaving.

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<v Speaker 9>They're hurting people here. No, no, we're not doing it.

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<v Speaker 9>And then uh, the illustrious TREEF White decided it was

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<v Speaker 9>only proper for the NTIFA people to pour red paint

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<v Speaker 9>over our memorial to the seventy seven altiers who lost

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<v Speaker 9>their lives. And then when they wanted to rush the

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<v Speaker 9>police of Lincoln and do their mischief in there, why

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<v Speaker 9>they put handcuffs on the door so they couldn't come in.

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<v Speaker 9>You know that that's a shame that we are generations

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<v Speaker 9>away from people who want to serve the city and

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<v Speaker 9>protect the city as opposed to the big salary the right,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, all the all stars on their collars. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>it just it breaks my heart because you know that

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<v Speaker 9>when you cut me, I believe blue.

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<v Speaker 3>Amen.

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<v Speaker 9>And then your father did as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and all these men and women put in their

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<v Speaker 1>life on the line. Chiefly we've got fifteen seconds. But

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<v Speaker 1>i'd love your take on this. If Mayor Johnston does

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<v Speaker 1>what he's promised to do and gives what I view

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<v Speaker 1>as a blatantly illegal order to DPD to go out

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<v Speaker 1>and physically resist federal law enforcement officers as they execute

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<v Speaker 1>these deportations, do you think Denver police rank and file

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<v Speaker 1>will follow that order?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I never thought they'd stand with their hands in

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<v Speaker 9>their pockets, and watch our memorial to where phone and

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<v Speaker 9>officers we detigrated. I never thought that we pore behind

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<v Speaker 9>locked doors in the police buildings. Dan don't know, I

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<v Speaker 9>honestly don't know. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Chief, I appreciate your frankness as always on this

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope you join us often because unfortunately it's

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<v Speaker 1>about to get crazy. Okay, thank you, Chief, Sure do

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. That's former Chief Jim Kyle. You're kind enough

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<v Speaker 1>to spend time with us. Back in a flash on

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<v Speaker 1>the Dan Caplish and.

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<v Speaker 7>Now back to the Dan Kaplish Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Good joined us, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Really stunning news out of Denver, according to the Denveright

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<v Speaker 1>publication and a tweet from Kyle Clark, Mike Johnston, mayor

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<v Speaker 1>of Denver, is promising to use Denver police to physically

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<v Speaker 1>stop federal law enforcement agents from executing the large immigration

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<v Speaker 1>sweeps the deportation of criminal illegals that Trump is promising.

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<v Speaker 1>Seems to me not offering this is a legal opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>but seems to me looking at the statute, that that

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<v Speaker 1>would be just a raw insurrection and it even gets

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<v Speaker 1>worse from there, so very dangerous Behaby, you're by the

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<v Speaker 1>mayor further endangering federal law enforcement officers even today by

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<v Speaker 1>implying that there's some kind of enemy that Denver police

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<v Speaker 1>would go out and fight. Think about the added danger

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<v Speaker 1>that puts them in. In Johnston saying tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of people would take to the street to resist, comparing

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<v Speaker 1>it to Tan Square. Yeah, yeah, that is an extraordinarily dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous thing to suggest. Let's go to the phone lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to Scott and Lyttleton. You're on the Dan Kaplas show.

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<v Speaker 6>Welcome, Hi Dan, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am ticked off.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>That was a great insurrection song, by the.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, Yeah yeah, yeah, well, yeah, yeah listen.

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<v Speaker 6>I called the Chamber of Commerce and told them I

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<v Speaker 6>heard this on a very prominent radio show. I said,

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't hear it myself, but my leave definitely believe

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<v Speaker 6>in the information. They said they had not heard this.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if they were telling the truth, but

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<v Speaker 6>I did tell them something that is the truth, and

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<v Speaker 6>that I participate. I've had a booth and I am

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<v Speaker 6>part of a booth generally almost every year for the

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<v Speaker 6>Denver Sportsman Show, and I said the show's actually run

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<v Speaker 6>out of someone by Seattle, and the outfitters coming down,

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<v Speaker 6>especially from Canada to Denver, are getting sick of coming

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<v Speaker 6>down here because they're not getting a lot of action.

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<v Speaker 6>The show is really slowing down in Denver. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 6>so they're going a lot of them are going straight

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<v Speaker 6>to Sacramento.

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<v Speaker 1>Stet Can I ask you favorite, We're coming up on

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<v Speaker 1>a hard break, So I apologize.

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<v Speaker 2>Where do we bottom line this?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the bottom line is I told them, I said,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, you know, I would believe their Chamber of

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<v Speaker 6>Commerce would be very interesting in this because if they're

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<v Speaker 6>going to have a possible insurrection here, how are they

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<v Speaker 6>going to get people.

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<v Speaker 3>For events?

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<v Speaker 1>Now, that is a great point. Thank you for that,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend. I mean, but just this madness, right, just

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<v Speaker 1>this madness. And speaking of madness, I did want to

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<v Speaker 1>note this. We've been talking about how reckless it is

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<v Speaker 1>right now to have Joe Biden as president, and how

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty fifth should have been invoked, and how now

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<v Speaker 1>authorizing these US missiles to be shot deeper into Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, creates this added danger. Here's a note today,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the US government confirming that Russia today

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<v Speaker 1>launched an experimental intermediate range ballistic missile into Ukraine. But

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<v Speaker 1>get this, Russia called just before it was launched to

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<v Speaker 1>advise the US that it was not nuclear tipped, because

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<v Speaker 1>the type of missile they launched into Ukraine today is

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<v Speaker 1>capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. So they wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>let the US know that this was not a nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>missile that they were launching today. But you think about

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<v Speaker 1>the escalation and danger here, and with a commander in

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<v Speaker 1>chief who any honest person can see, you know, does

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<v Speaker 1>not have the cognitive capacity to be executing that role

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<v Speaker 1>right now. But I wanted to let you know of

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<v Speaker 1>that latest development. I want to get to some of

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<v Speaker 1>these texts. Our texts have been blowing up as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan does Mayork Johnson honestly believe that every Denver citizen

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<v Speaker 1>is behind his idiocy or is he just so consumed

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<v Speaker 1>by the idea that he is all powerful that he

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<v Speaker 1>believes he.

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<v Speaker 2>Can do something this stupid Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that he's shown he doesn't care at all

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<v Speaker 1>about the people of Denver, because by now now taunting

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump like this, he guarantees that Denver is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be looked favorably upon. Right when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to federal grants, etc. But he's basically forcing Trump, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to begin these deportations here. Clearly he doesn't care. Johnston

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't care about the people of Denver. He sure doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>care about law enforcement, because he's just added to the

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<v Speaker 1>ever present danger, certainly for our federal law enforcement officers.

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<v Speaker 1>And a brilliant point from a Texter here who says,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll summarize it, Dan, he's just added to the

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<v Speaker 1>danger to our federal officers because trend de Aragua has

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<v Speaker 1>his promised to be killing police officers.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you've got the.

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<v Speaker 1>Mayor of Denver now coming out and saying that these

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<v Speaker 1>federal officers are so bad, these federal officers who are

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<v Speaker 1>coming to follow federal law and carry out federal law

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<v Speaker 1>are so bad, we're sending our Denver police out to

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<v Speaker 1>physically stop them. Think about the added green lighting that

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<v Speaker 1>offers to all sorts of bad actors, including these gang members. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's reckless, it's irresponsible, it's dangerous, and if he carried

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<v Speaker 1>it out, it would be insurrection. Ryan, thank you so much, Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>you as well. Please be back tomorrow for