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Speaker 6: We've called Sid many things over the years, but as
Speaker 6: we get to the portion of his run where he
Speaker 6: made it the World Wrestling Federation for the first time
Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety one, I just can't shake my year's
Speaker 6: long obsession. In fact, probably if you can consider it
Speaker 6: something that formed in this era in my childhood, probably
Speaker 6: a lifelong obsession with Why do I always say the
Speaker 6: Revolutionary Sid Justice. Yes, if we have kicked this around
Speaker 6: for years on the cast, and if you don't know
Speaker 6: the genesis of it, it's just for some reason. As
Speaker 6: a kid, I swore they framed him on television when
Speaker 6: he first came in as the baby face said Justice
Speaker 6: as the Revolutionary Sid Justice. Now I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 6: this is also someone who thought VK thunder Wiger was
Speaker 6: a WCW wrestler. As I look at the custom Hasbro
Speaker 6: created by a member of the Solar System as a
Speaker 6: Christmas gift of the irs, has Bro with fucking juice
Speaker 6: and liger Head peace on.
Speaker 3: But it's just this is it?
Speaker 6: This is that's all to say that this is the
Speaker 6: ninety one ninety two blue tight Sid Justice to Sid
Speaker 6: Justice to heel. Yes, from an enabler and a helper
Speaker 6: and an ally of Hulkogan to a WrestleMania opponent an enemy.
Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, that's why we're here, That's why where
Speaker 6: it really is. It's it's it's it's it's you know this,
Speaker 6: it's funny how and and.
Speaker 3: You know, these feuds, these feuds more than and this
Speaker 3: time period, more than anything, these were the the feuds
Speaker 3: that really sunk in, you know, for some reason, even
Speaker 3: though you know, you think about this run being so short,
Speaker 3: and it is, it's less than a year, but these
Speaker 3: were monumental moments that made like, to me, Hogan and
Speaker 3: Sid were the quintessential foes because of this. And it's
Speaker 3: the reason why even though this was you know, the
Speaker 3: only program they had was from the you know, SummerSlam
Speaker 3: ninety one until that Saturn Night's main event, but Savage
Speaker 3: and Jake Roberts, right, it's like they never wrestled again
Speaker 3: after that.
Speaker 6: We're setting for our generation, which is the generation that
Speaker 6: supports this whole nostalgia wrestling podcast Boom, by the way,
Speaker 6: didn't see a lot of nostalgia pods for the eighties
Speaker 6: doing the kind of numbers the Hasbro Kid ended up doing,
Speaker 6: creating an entire industry. Basically, it's the archetypes for a
Speaker 6: certain type of face versus a certain type of heel.
Speaker 6: Sid and Hogan and Randy and Jake Yep, yeah, that's
Speaker 6: pretty much and you can see the world in those
Speaker 6: four characters. I'm not saying they were the best, but
Speaker 6: I'm saying what they the positions they occupied to us
Speaker 6: as fans in that era are the positions pretty much
Speaker 6: any heel you can think of in any face you
Speaker 6: can think of an American wrestling and occupied if they
Speaker 6: were successful.
Speaker 3: And also too, when you think about the fact that
Speaker 3: that Rick Flair, you know, with champion from the Royal
Speaker 3: Rumble until WrestleMania and that's it. Really you know, he
Speaker 3: was champion for like two months, but it seemed like
Speaker 3: a lifetimes.
Speaker 6: Things just simmered on the stove.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's the it's the same broad strokes
Speaker 6: as why you know, everything was pretty much better because
Speaker 6: everything had time to marinate. You know, anyone who enjoys
Speaker 6: fine cuisine knows anyone who enjoys fuck fine cuisine. Anyone
Speaker 6: who enjoys well cooked food knows the difference. They know
Speaker 6: low and slow on anyone who enjoys cuisine right, low
Speaker 6: and slow. That's right, And if the business is set
Speaker 6: up to not allow low and slow, it is by
Speaker 6: definition inferior to the former presentation.
Speaker 3: That's correct.
Speaker 6: You're not holding it against the current presentation that it
Speaker 6: has to be that way. We get the market conditions
Speaker 6: and understand that the fans don't care. But I'm telling
Speaker 6: you it used to be a much more satisfying fan experience.
Speaker 6: That's why we stand here. That's why we have the
Speaker 6: audience we do. That's why Conrad has the audience he does.
Speaker 6: That's why anybody who talks about wrestlers from this era
Speaker 6: have the audience that they do. Because it was pitch
Speaker 6: perfect in terms of sinking in your brain. Well, we
Speaker 6: were preparing for this episode, I said, hey, boss, you
Speaker 6: know this is I thought, this is a wild shot?
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 6: Are there WWF magazine articles maybe like one from when
Speaker 6: Sid was a face when he first came into WWF
Speaker 6: and then Sid as a as a heel after returned
Speaker 6: on Hogan that that you would you might, you know,
Speaker 6: remember from your childhood that we could bring up in
Speaker 6: this episode, like instantaneously, Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no question, They're right there, they're ready, and.
Speaker 6: There's not an article that anybody's going to think of
Speaker 6: that's a fan in twenty twenty four, in fifteen years,
Speaker 6: that epitomizes what it meant to be a fan of wrestling,
Speaker 6: at that point in time, there will be no such thing.
Speaker 6: And that's inferior for sure. And that's inferior. So here
Speaker 6: we are, and you were ready, you ready to go,
Speaker 6: and oh yeah, we're going to unload. I'm actually going
Speaker 6: to send one to you. Become tasty. The first one
Speaker 6: I purposely didn't ask him what it was going to
Speaker 6: be until we hit record.
Speaker 3: That's right. So the first one actually is from the
Speaker 3: December nineteen ninety one issue of the ww magazine with
Speaker 3: Sid on the cover, and the first said w w
Speaker 3: F magazine cover. Ever, Yeah, I believe so, I believe so.
Speaker 3: I don't think he had any I don't think he
Speaker 3: did any stuff leading up to SummerSlam that I that
Speaker 3: I'm Noah. But I remember this cover very well, very vividly,
Speaker 3: because it was one of the covers where they would
Speaker 3: kind of when they were to offer uh back issues
Speaker 3: or they would talk about, you know, you need to
Speaker 3: subscribe to w w WE magazine. It was it was
Speaker 3: one of these, oh that's insane, how big this file is?
Speaker 3: That's acceptible.
Speaker 6: Actually, the all scams aren't credit equal from a bandwidth perspective.
Speaker 6: I've noticed this.
Speaker 3: I'm going to see if I can just give you
Speaker 3: the time, but you're ready to go.
Speaker 6: You're ready to fire instantly. Oh yeah, Sid was that
Speaker 6: kind of guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had. I mean, there was there was this
Speaker 3: dread of mine as a as a fan that he was.
Speaker 3: I can remember all the magazines that he was that
Speaker 3: he was featured in all of them because they were
Speaker 3: so they were so monumental to me and uh and
Speaker 3: my my fandom.
Speaker 6: And I like, how you put fear on it, because
Speaker 6: in preparing for this, you know, part of his career
Speaker 6: as part of our Sid tribute here at TLF, it did.
Speaker 6: It did start to ring in my mind what you
Speaker 6: were talking about with fear. At first, I was like, really, like,
Speaker 6: you know, Sid turning on Hogan created a fear and
Speaker 6: he was a fan. And when I went back and
Speaker 6: kind of revisited how he turns on Hogan, the things
Speaker 6: he does to Jabroni's on the way to WrestleMania Aid,
Speaker 6: the way he presents himself on promos, how psychotic he
Speaker 6: gets with Harvey Whippleman at his side, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, there was fear. There was fear that this
Speaker 6: guy was not going to register Hogan's offense.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, he there was a I mean not
Speaker 3: only that, but there was a uh uh it felt
Speaker 3: like he he he would not, He just wouldn't. Hogan
Speaker 3: couldn't do anything against him. Yeah, is what it felt like.
Speaker 3: It felt that's and again he felt in that regard.
Speaker 3: He felt dangerous and.
Speaker 6: In a different way than even Undertaker, who was, you know,
Speaker 6: invincible to everything. It wasn't even similar. But it was
Speaker 6: like Sid wasn't dead, he wasn't supernatural. He was just
Speaker 6: this guy that like that, just Hogan could not you know, puncture.
Speaker 6: Right when he choked slams Hogan, it wrestlemaniated, who's your dumb?
Speaker 6: You know that moment? Yes, he cuts him off. Hogan's
Speaker 6: like running wild for a second. He cuts him off
Speaker 6: and choke slams him. It came right back to me
Speaker 6: watching it preparing for this episode. I'm sure we went
Speaker 6: nuts about it when we did WrestleMania eight ten years
Speaker 6: ago in the archives as part of the thirty week
Speaker 6: WrestleMania Journey. That that that's where your heart sinks as
Speaker 6: Holk the maniacurate, oh fuckes like this guy just shut
Speaker 6: Hogan down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a it's a very it's a petrifying
Speaker 3: yep in that in that especially as a as a fan,
Speaker 3: as a Hogan fan, as a as a man, as
Speaker 3: I said, someone who was who was rooting for the
Speaker 3: baby face, you know these this is essential. Uh uh,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's like, wait a minute, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: What the fuck?
Speaker 6: And we act like Survivor Series ninety six is kind
Speaker 6: of like the first time that that rabid fan base
Speaker 6: just kind of punctures through the narrative and cheers Sid
Speaker 6: destroying the squeaky clean baby face. I'll tell you at
Speaker 6: who's your nome, which of course is you know, the
Speaker 6: biggest crowd Sid ever worked in front of those people.
Speaker 6: I mean there were there were Sid rules the world
Speaker 6: signs on the hard camera side close enough to it,
Speaker 6: and when he choked slams Hogan. The people that want
Speaker 6: to see a change, the people that that booed when
Speaker 6: Hogan pull said out of the ninety two rumble and
Speaker 6: almany just a few months prior, those people were there
Speaker 6: in spirit and they were loud yes, and they were like,
Speaker 6: this is what we want to see happened to Haul Cogan.
Speaker 3: This is the man, this is what we want. We
Speaker 3: want to see this person take.
Speaker 6: Over and it's so amazing that, like Vince, as we
Speaker 6: talked about last weekend, as we'll talk about this week,
Speaker 6: brings in sid under the guise of Hogan's spot. Right,
Speaker 6: Hogan's spot is available to you said, if those are
Speaker 6: the terms that you're going to come in on, and
Speaker 6: that of course is a babyface role. As circumstances morph,
Speaker 6: he becomes a heel for the WrestleMania match. But still
Speaker 6: when he turns heel is when you can hear some
Speaker 6: of the most vocal crowd support for him replacing someone
Speaker 6: at top of the card. If he was the top
Speaker 6: babyface i'llah like Alex Luger, And they presented him that way,
Speaker 6: which as we'll get to they really tried to in
Speaker 6: the early stages of him is said Justice Justice. The
Speaker 6: reason they gave him that name was it's a babyface name. Remember,
Speaker 6: he's going to come to bring justice to the World
Speaker 6: Wrestling Federation, right exactly. He was going to do on
Speaker 6: behalf of hul Cogan. But it's after that, it's when
Speaker 6: he starts with the black trunks and just destroying people
Speaker 6: that you actually hear a crowd reaction tant him out
Speaker 6: to someone that could be top of the card. The
Speaker 6: said Justice who came in before turning Hill was not
Speaker 6: top of the card necessarily. I mean, certainly he would
Speaker 6: have been in main events, but I don't think anyone
Speaker 6: would have thirsted for him to succeed as much as
Speaker 6: they as much as that Voe local subculture of fans
Speaker 6: did if he remained a face and an ally of
Speaker 6: Hulk Cochin through that time. But as we'll get to
Speaker 6: is very quickly, the bloom was off the rose. As
Speaker 6: it regards Sid and WWS, I do.
Speaker 3: Want to say too, uh. You know, there was the
Speaker 3: question and the actually made me think so regarding Bo
Speaker 3: his twin brother, when you know when he was in WCW,
Speaker 3: was he was Bow Bow vicious?
Speaker 6: I didn't, no he I mean I had the Galub
Speaker 6: Sid but yeah, but I played with the Galube Sid
Speaker 6: as Sid Justice the w W a wrestler, and I
Speaker 6: played with the two Sid Justice has bros. As like
Speaker 6: a separate tag team. I see it was as if
Speaker 6: it wasn't as if one half of the Justice Brothers
Speaker 6: was the guy who wrestled Hulk Cochin and WrestleMania eight
Speaker 6: that for some reason was the said vicious Galube. I see,
Speaker 6: which we failed to mention last week. By the way,
Speaker 6: are you aware that there's a UK sid galube with
Speaker 6: with with a pink sing glead on. Yes, I've seen it.
Speaker 6: I mean, fucking hell, boss, it's crazy. What what what's
Speaker 6: going on over there? I know, I know, Josh, the
Speaker 6: figure the UK, the UK glubs are are really remarkable.
Speaker 6: And then we had a lot of them. They have
Speaker 6: the free birds, they had a lot of ones. We
Speaker 6: didn't get Dustin Dustin Rhoades, you know, just a whole
Speaker 6: line of And there's a pink sid looking at me
Speaker 6: the other day on my Google search, like what.
Speaker 3: It's not okay. It's not okay that you couldn't access.
Speaker 6: That, right, it's not okay that I had no idea
Speaker 6: until this age that it existed, and that right, I
Speaker 6: had not a prayer pre Internet of ever getting my
Speaker 6: hands on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Never, you never would have been able to, like,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 6: That's another thing, by the way, in twenty years, nobody's
Speaker 6: going to look up something and say, oh my god,
Speaker 6: that existed. I had no idea, yep, because you always
Speaker 6: have an idea the world.
Speaker 3: That's right, there's nothing special and.
Speaker 6: Things are manufactured with that knowledge in mind. Things just
Speaker 6: things are marketed with the knowledge that every single person
Speaker 6: whoever might want to buy this is going to be
Speaker 6: sort of micro targeted from an advertising and marketing perspective.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: Yep, it's like you're.
Speaker 6: Gonna know about it because they know the age you
Speaker 6: have to be to care about this new figure that
Speaker 6: they're rolling out, because they come out with figures based
Speaker 6: on studies of like, yes, who has the biggest propensity
Speaker 6: to spend? Who who's aged into actually having an income
Speaker 6: to afford fucking one hundred and fifty dollars action figures?
Speaker 3: So ridiculous.
Speaker 6: We're a very strange place, boss, And I don't know
Speaker 6: what the other side of it looks like, but going
Speaker 6: through it is a very strange, strange situation.
Speaker 3: So then I actually wanted one more thing about the
Speaker 3: the Bo Justice Brothers. So obviously there was no then
Speaker 3: there was no Psycho Sid. There was no like Biko
Speaker 3: Biko by Bo or something. Now you know, there wasn't Bow. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a great point. I didn't bother to update, Like
Speaker 3: when I played with my SID toys, even in ninety six,
Speaker 3: I was still thinking about Sid Justice in WWF and
Speaker 3: Sid vicious and ww artists not thinking that Psycho Sid
Speaker 3: I was not slotting them that way in anyway. Someone
Speaker 3: made a great point, and we'll get to a feedback
Speaker 3: episod eventually because people are writing great letters about Sid.
Speaker 3: We're seeing them and we're loving them. Just in case
Speaker 3: you're wondering, and please send your recollections on his the
Speaker 3: meaning of his career to the lapsed fan at gmail
Speaker 3: dot com.
Speaker 6: But a great point. I mean, Hogan, the first Hogan
Speaker 6: Hasbro had the same body slam motion that the Sid
Speaker 6: Hasbro had. Yes, but for Hogan it was a body slam,
Speaker 6: and for Sid it's a power bomb. Yes, and that's
Speaker 6: problematic to me, Yes it is. It is definitely problematic.
Speaker 6: There's no there's no question about that. It's but that's
Speaker 6: what they did.
Speaker 3: I mean, and I do believe even that the that
Speaker 3: the arms are actually the same too, They're the same
Speaker 3: right arm mold I bet.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm thinking about it. That probably was the
Speaker 6: best body type for Sid though of all the Hasbro
Speaker 6: body types.
Speaker 3: Uh oh yeah, I think so. I think it would
Speaker 3: have been. It wouldn't have been as good had you know,
Speaker 3: I can't imagine another I mean, I guess, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: not even like one of the I was trying to
Speaker 3: think of, like in terms of picking up someone in
Speaker 3: the power bomb with that, you know, with a figure
Speaker 3: like I suppose you could do it with the with
Speaker 3: the arm with the spring in it, the spring loaded arm. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I still don't think it would have been as
Speaker 3: like it really worked with him. I thought he, I
Speaker 3: may Sid do great power bombs with the Hasbro one
Speaker 3: before his head fell off.
Speaker 6: And the reason we thirsted for that Hasbro this run,
Speaker 6: as short as it was, this run and as much
Speaker 6: more meaningful to his career accomplishments his ninety six ninety seven,
Speaker 6: ninety seven run was I was on go ninety eight
Speaker 6: that to stop myself. This, even though it was much
Speaker 6: more truncated, you know, was the run that burned him
Speaker 6: into fans' minds in such a way that he could
Speaker 6: come back and be an impact player. Yes, in ninety
Speaker 6: five and in ninety six. So we have to, really,
Speaker 6: I think, take our time and observe what exactly happened
Speaker 6: here with Sid in such a short period of time
Speaker 6: to have basically you know, caught fire to where he
Speaker 6: would just be able to write his own check for
Speaker 6: the rest of his life. I mean what he did
Speaker 6: come back in ninety five, he was sort of, as
Speaker 6: he put it, on the whipping post, there was sort
Speaker 6: of like a tail between my legs because I stabbed
Speaker 6: narn Anderson. You know, there's nowhere else for me to
Speaker 6: make big money in the business kind of situation. But
Speaker 6: it is only a matter of time before he was
Speaker 6: on top again. You know, that's the thing about Sid
Speaker 6: like he knows that even if you come in trying
Speaker 6: to slot him below, eventually something's gonna happen where you've
Speaker 6: got to push a guy that looks like that, right
Speaker 6: of course, if you're working for Vince mcmannon. But you know,
Speaker 6: the same thing went for WCW as well when he
Speaker 6: came in to WCW after the late nineties run. But
Speaker 6: you know, it's funny. It seems so far away the
Speaker 6: episode of RO nineteen ninety seven that we structured this
Speaker 6: tribute show around. We will get there, we assure you,
Speaker 6: But as always, Ta Left takes its fucking time.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's right.
Speaker 6: Let's sit there and you will fold your hands and
Speaker 6: you will listen while class is in session, and you'll
Speaker 6: keep your fucking mouth shut. In terms of any other suggestions. Sid,
Speaker 6: Sid's the fucking teacher, okay in this one. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: We're going about this tribute show precisely as Sid would
Speaker 6: go about anything in his life, exactly, dictating all terms
Speaker 6: at all times and threatening to leave if anybody makes
Speaker 6: a dank ors.
Speaker 3: And also listen, he's keeping a very close eye on
Speaker 3: the Viennas and.
Speaker 6: We will not hesitate to disappear and play softball if
Speaker 6: you piss us off either, So keep that in mind.
Speaker 6: But yeah, in terms of the Viennas, I mean people
Speaker 6: people forget about the Vienna's is that it's it's a
Speaker 6: quid pro quote system.
Speaker 8: You sent my church a case Vienna sausages and I
Speaker 8: sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 6: Right that on a Sean Moody interview where he gave
Speaker 6: a shout out to some guy in Pennsylvania, he gives
Speaker 6: his almost exact address on the air in his full.
Speaker 8: Name, such a he sent my church a case of
Speaker 8: Vienna sausages, and I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 3: A case of Vienna's.
Speaker 6: So I think you text if I'm not mistaken, when
Speaker 6: you texted me a picture of Viennas, that was you
Speaker 6: in in the supermarket I was in the supermarket. You're
Speaker 6: not the only person in this position after our part one. Huh,
Speaker 6: tell him the story. You're not the only person in
Speaker 6: this position after our part one.
Speaker 3: So I'm just I'm walking through the I'm walking through
Speaker 3: the grocery store and uh and all. And you know,
Speaker 3: it's like, I never really, I never noticed them before.
Speaker 3: I never noticed Vienna sausages before at all. But you know,
Speaker 3: I'm in whatever canned food section that that that the
Speaker 3: viennas are in, and I'm like, holy shit, look at
Speaker 3: them all. There's so many. It's a key form of sustidence.
Speaker 3: I guess it is not my sustenance. But we have
Speaker 3: these these.
Speaker 6: Pop top events at the church. Oh my god, somebody
Speaker 6: in the solar system, you know, actually found like the
Speaker 6: church is listing for the food drive, and Sid was
Speaker 6: constantly referencing his church in Memphis there. It's just amazing
Speaker 6: that it came down to so many viennas. Still have
Speaker 6: in my mind that sort of like relief painting of
Speaker 6: him looking forlornly on a full garage of undelivered viennas
Speaker 6: at three point thirty in the morning, realizing what this
Speaker 6: means and what he has to.
Speaker 3: Do next, hands and his hips, just staring at them.
Speaker 6: Pasture, his hands hanging by his side. Almost, he's almost
Speaker 6: he's almost christ Like on the cross, you know, with
Speaker 6: a hung head. You know, the hands aren't up, the
Speaker 6: hands are down, but the head is similar and that
Speaker 6: it's kind of bowed and and sort of you.
Speaker 3: Know, so depressed, so angry. Yeah, just he's just he
Speaker 3: just realized, I'm sure of what to do with all
Speaker 3: these Vienna's.
Speaker 6: He's unsure. He just knows that now he's got to
Speaker 6: really ramp up the pressure to get these now, you know.
Speaker 6: He he you know, we told himself he wouldn't have
Speaker 6: to it wouldn't have to come to this, right.
Speaker 8: He trusted Frank, He said, my church a case of
Speaker 8: Vienna sausages, and I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 6: Kind of pissed that we missed the opportunity to get
Speaker 6: an autograph picture.
Speaker 3: That's true. If I if I had known all it
Speaker 3: took was sending Vienna sausages, I would have I would
Speaker 3: have done that.
Speaker 6: Certainly would have kept him for myself. I can tell
Speaker 6: you that much package of crackers, ball water. That's how
Speaker 6: he says it. Oh my God, and the moon pile
Speaker 6: or oatmeal.
Speaker 3: Pie poon, tang pile, the whole fucking thing. Shit.
Speaker 6: So the challenge is out. I led with this for
Speaker 6: a reason. If anybody in the Solar system can find
Speaker 6: me an isolated clip from WWF television where they refer
Speaker 6: to him as the revolutionary one or the revolution or
Speaker 6: even say the word revolutionary about Sid, well we'll figure
Speaker 6: out some kind of Maybe we'll send you some viennas.
Speaker 6: I don't know your box of viennas, definitely give you
Speaker 6: a shout out, because I was sort of like animated
Speaker 6: by the possibility that if I went through Sid's WWF run,
Speaker 6: especially this first one, which is where it had to
Speaker 6: have come from, because I remember.
Speaker 3: Saying, I thought you actually said to me once that
Speaker 3: it came from his final WCW run.
Speaker 6: That wouldn't make any sense because I was calling him
Speaker 6: the revolutionary when I was a.
Speaker 3: Little kid, no kidding, all right, because I always remember
Speaker 3: you putting it because he was something having to do
Speaker 3: with the fact that he was what the millennium man
Speaker 3: or something like that, he was the millennium man, yep.
Speaker 3: And then because then I have him, you know, if
Speaker 3: you remember in my uh I actually started calling Sid
Speaker 3: in In No Mercy. He you know, I had a
Speaker 3: a created version of six because they didn't have him
Speaker 3: in the game, and I listed him as the revolutionary
Speaker 3: Sid Justice. And but then, but then I also made
Speaker 3: a version of him. You could, you can make four versions,
Speaker 3: remember on one on one body. And so I created
Speaker 3: a version of him wearing the singlet from w CW
Speaker 3: and I called him the pre revolutionary Sid Vicious.
Speaker 6: It was before you were right, when this was still
Speaker 6: a Commonwealth we still answered to the British crown.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that that was the UK Glube one, the pre
Speaker 6: revolutionary one.
Speaker 3: That's right. It's exactly what it was.
Speaker 6: Just you know, I thought revolutionary. I thought I would
Speaker 6: stumble upon it. I thought I thought it'd stumble upon
Speaker 6: a thread I could pull going back through his run
Speaker 6: for this tribute episode where I could finally isolate where
Speaker 6: he was called the revolutionary one.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't do it. I didn't find it. So
Speaker 3: we turn it over to I bet it's on some
Speaker 3: you know, episode of like Superstars or something. Had to
Speaker 3: be and I felt like it was said. I felt
Speaker 3: like it was said in a positive tone, So it
Speaker 3: had to be when he was a Babyface. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: so there you go.
Speaker 6: The gauntlet's been laid down on the on the revolutionary front.
Speaker 6: As it regards our old pal Sid, We're here to
Speaker 6: figure out what his career meant. And you know, do
Speaker 6: what we do here when we lose somebody that's a
Speaker 6: core memory to the cast of characters that set us
Speaker 6: on this irretrievable road of wrestling obsession for the rest
Speaker 6: of our lives. No matter what it is we try
Speaker 6: to do to to regulate it or mitigate it, we
Speaker 6: keep coming back to this true north of the Hasbro
Speaker 6: era and Sid played a huge part in that. And
Speaker 6: we're about to hear in the pages of the in
Speaker 6: House magazine what, among the other things we'll be talking
Speaker 6: about on this episode, the WWF soft fit to communicate
Speaker 6: about Sid, how they wanted us to feel about Sid.
Speaker 6: And somewhere in New Hampshire, the boss Man was sitting
Speaker 6: down with this magazine and I'm sure.
Speaker 3: I was too.
Speaker 6: Well, as you read it, perhaps I'll get familiar taking
Speaker 6: in I will.
Speaker 3: So this is this is the interview. So I'm going
Speaker 3: to need you to read. Oh, this is one of
Speaker 3: those Q and as. Yeah, this is a Q and
Speaker 3: a thing okay, great, Yeah, we still love those. It's
Speaker 3: so great.
Speaker 6: I used to read those with so much intent intent.
Speaker 6: All right, so they're numbered, I see.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, talk with Sid Justice WWF interview And this again
Speaker 6: is decemmer to anyone, decemmer to any one at the
Speaker 6: Survivor series. Sid Justice will have the opportunity to settle
Speaker 6: this differences with Jake the Snake once and for all.
Speaker 6: Now I'm going to constantly interrupt myself and interrupt you,
Speaker 6: as everybody knows, that match didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Did not happen? Well yeah, well you know it wasn't
Speaker 3: supposed to be one on one. It was supposed to
Speaker 3: be Sid captaining the team of Big boss Man and
Speaker 3: legiing to Doom against Jake Irwin and the natural Disasters.
Speaker 6: And who ended up replacing Sid and said match none.
Speaker 6: They just they it went down to being a three
Speaker 6: on three excellent, which is the only time it's ever
Speaker 6: Tarvisary's history it's been a six man tag instead of
Speaker 6: an eight or a five man massive. Yeah, as massive
Speaker 6: as I never knew that either. I never knew that
Speaker 6: Sid that that that they kind of because he had
Speaker 6: it was like a he broke his arm or something
Speaker 6: torn bicep, SID torn by set and he did it.
Speaker 6: If I'm putting the post pieces together quickly in a
Speaker 6: match against Jake Roberts. It was not a fan of Sids,
Speaker 6: and the feeling was mutual. The feeling was very much mutual.
Speaker 6: So it's really rich that we start with that truncated
Speaker 6: or a plan that wasn't one of the w w
Speaker 6: F getting its taste of signing up Sid to the
Speaker 6: big bucks. And then he's on the shelf almost in course.
Speaker 3: It's not a damn it son of a bitch.
Speaker 6: Tore my boss set. But I'm a d H so
Speaker 6: I can still play softball.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, what do you mean softball?
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm just a d H.
Speaker 1: D H.
Speaker 3: I don't understand what what a d d H? Drivers?
Speaker 6: Drivers go ahead? Uh uh what are you gonna say?
Speaker 3: Driver? Driver's hymen? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 6: Oh, that's one way to refer to driving school designated
Speaker 6: to hit?
Speaker 3: What I mean to hit?
Speaker 9: What? Uh?
Speaker 3: Am a softball professional ship? We choose me? You're I
Speaker 3: don't know about that, but you are immediately he immediately
Speaker 3: takes that away from him, just like calling j r
Speaker 3: or whatever somewhat of a journalist.
Speaker 6: Can't help get that word in there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you are a professional entertainer, you know,
Speaker 3: working for the w w E. But I don't know
Speaker 3: about this this softball thing. I mean, obviously you're you're injured,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't and you can go play other childish games.
Speaker 6: That doesn't mean you can go play other childish games.
Speaker 3: WWE. It's a childish game, right, other right.
Speaker 6: In addition to this one said in the Snake are
Speaker 6: eagerly anticipating this impending pay per view showdown? Do you
Speaker 6: remember caring about that? Do you remember caring about Sid
Speaker 6: getting his hands on Jake.
Speaker 3: I did no clue at that time. No clue. My
Speaker 3: fan and forget my fandom started the week before amazing
Speaker 3: Survivor series, so I had no clue about this whole thing.
Speaker 3: And how phenomenal is it that we sit here ten
Speaker 3: years on and in many ways we're re visiting our
Speaker 3: very first episode in that time period. Yes, that's very true.
Speaker 6: Summer Slam ninety one where Sid comes on pay per
Speaker 6: view for the first time a special referee, and then
Speaker 6: it's the postmatch scenario where Liz and Randy Savage are
Speaker 6: having their reception or whatever the hell it was. Yeah,
Speaker 6: because get married on the show. And then this, you know,
Speaker 6: Jake sees fit to deliver a snake to them as
Speaker 6: a wedding president.
Speaker 3: And it's Sid right that comes to save the day,
Speaker 3: uh and help out against the undertaker, and and and Jake.
Speaker 6: That's when they obviously still an invited.
Speaker 3: Guest of despite being a brand new, brand new to
Speaker 3: the company, he's an invited guest to the wedding reception
Speaker 3: of Brandy and Elizabeth.
Speaker 6: I wonder if they dared tell us even maybe just
Speaker 6: once that you know their ties biden quite a bit.
Speaker 6: Remember from part one it was Sid striking up a
Speaker 6: conversation with Randy Savage so they could play off that
Speaker 6: they have some history together. But yeah, I don't think
Speaker 6: they did. I'm sure they didn't, but there you go.
Speaker 6: Jake was kind of the setup man to get Sid
Speaker 6: going as the at the top, as one of the
Speaker 6: top baby faces in the company. So that's that's an
Speaker 6: interesting what if that never never materialized. By the time
Speaker 6: he was back, they were thinking he'll already apparently, uh,
Speaker 6: Sid and the snake or igler anticipating guests the editors
Speaker 6: here at WWF Magazine recently caught up with Justice. He
Speaker 6: told us how he felt about the snake. He told
Speaker 6: us how he felt about.
Speaker 3: This River series.
Speaker 6: In fact, he told us everything that we and our
Speaker 6: readers wanted to know about himself. So, without any further ado,
Speaker 6: WWF Magazine brings you this interview with Sid Justice. Sid,
Speaker 6: let's talk about the macho man in Miss Elizabeth's ms
Speaker 6: Dot Miss Elizabeth's wedding reception for a moment, as you recall,
Speaker 6: Jake the snake crashed the wedding reception and menaced Elizabeth
Speaker 6: with a venomous Asian cobra. Thank goodness for you. Had
Speaker 6: it not been for your timely intervention, there is no
Speaker 6: telling what might have happened. Can you tell us what
Speaker 6: was going through your mind when you saw the snake
Speaker 6: with the serpent in his hands, intimidating Miss Elizabeth? Matcho,
Speaker 6: that's what it says, okay, Miss ms Dot Elizabeth, Macho.
Speaker 3: Right was gone through my mind. I guess who deserves
Speaker 3: another man who destroys another man's wedding party must be
Speaker 3: lower than dung in my mind, and I'm sure in
Speaker 3: the minds of millions of people Jake Roberts, is that
Speaker 3: type of man well at the Survivor series. Jake Roberts,
Speaker 3: you are gonna see what type of man Sit Justice is.
Speaker 3: You're gonna see what sit Justice stands for.
Speaker 7: You.
Speaker 3: Lucky, Jake Roberts, You were lucky you left that wedding
Speaker 3: reception when you did, because Ah was inches away from
Speaker 3: busting you upen like a million. He looks like I'll
Speaker 3: get my chance at the Survivor series in a few weeks.
Speaker 6: I can't believe the syntax of the sentence. Not what
Speaker 6: do you think your strategy will be? Instead? What do
Speaker 6: you think will be your strategy? We listen, We're gonna
Speaker 6: do it in proper English. What do you think will
Speaker 6: be your strategy moving forward in the WB and regarding
Speaker 6: this potential, we have to cut the second half of
Speaker 6: that for space. I just hope it's okay.
Speaker 3: H m hm. Straight ahead, Jake Roberts. I can assure
Speaker 3: you this off will be coming after you and you only.
Speaker 3: I don't care about anybody else on your team. You
Speaker 3: are my only concern. AH will give you the pain
Speaker 3: that you gave the Macho men, Elizabeth, but I'll give
Speaker 3: it to you tenfold.
Speaker 6: It sounds as if you're out to seek retribution on
Speaker 6: behalf of the MACHOs?
Speaker 3: Are we right behalf of the MACHOs?
Speaker 6: It says it man.
Speaker 3: Randy Savage is a man of pride. He is a
Speaker 3: man who values and protects his family. He's a man
Speaker 3: whom I trust. He's a friend. Unfortunately, because of some
Speaker 3: bureaucredit garbage coming out of WW President Jack Tunny's offices,
Speaker 3: he hasn't been reinstated as a WW superstar. That doesn't
Speaker 3: mean he can't take care of the snake at the
Speaker 3: present time. Well, that means he can't take care of
Speaker 3: the snake at the present day. We're live, said, what
Speaker 3: can we do that again? Please a ship? Yeah, so,
Speaker 3: as Randy Savage's friend ah Am seeking revenge for him
Speaker 3: and his wife, he can't do it, but sid justice will.
Speaker 6: That's loyalty. These days, it's rare to see loyalty and
Speaker 6: real friendship and professional athletics. It seems to us that
Speaker 6: said justice just maybe cut from a different cloth.
Speaker 3: I guess it has to do with my upbringing. You know,
Speaker 3: I was raised on a farm in West Memphis, Arkansas,
Speaker 3: by my grandfather, who fortunately was stricken with polio. He
Speaker 3: taught me many things my grandfather did. He taught me
Speaker 3: many things my grandfather did. He taught me to respect
Speaker 3: everyone around me, because that's the best way to get respect.
Speaker 3: He also taught me to help people who need help.
Speaker 3: Because of people you help today might be helping you tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I's a father.
Speaker 10: My grandfather knows all about that, because all the livestock
Speaker 10: he raises and all the vegetables he grows help hungry
Speaker 10: people survive every day of the week.
Speaker 3: Randy Savage needs my help. His wife needs my help.
Speaker 3: Jake Roberts, Jake Roberts needs a major beating, and you
Speaker 3: are looking at the man who deliver it. At the
Speaker 3: Striver Series.
Speaker 6: That may very well be the case.
Speaker 3: Sid.
Speaker 6: However, even you must realize that Roberts is a snake
Speaker 6: at heart. He's unpredictable, he's untrustworthy. He's the type of
Speaker 6: man who will feign an injury in the ring and
Speaker 6: then strike, and then strike when you least expected. At
Speaker 6: the Survivors Series, he'll be captaining three other athletes. It's
Speaker 6: possible that he could send his teammates into battle and
Speaker 6: wait for his chance to cut you down.
Speaker 3: Are you aware of this? I'm aware of it, and
Speaker 3: I'm prepared for it. It's true. Roberts is his snake
Speaker 3: at heart, and he's capable of anything. Most men would
Speaker 3: be frightened knowing the fact. But sit justice is the
Speaker 3: top of man who fears no man said, justice is
Speaker 3: the top of man through fierce, no snake, Jake Roberts,
Speaker 3: your sins can never be forgiven by anybody. So, Jake
Speaker 3: Roberts at the Survivor series, there is only one solution,
Speaker 3: and that is justice will be served.
Speaker 6: We thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 2: Sid He Wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and can.
Speaker 6: You see It's Real Simple. That's one of his favorites.
Speaker 3: See It's real simple.
Speaker 6: I like the biographical sketch in there about his father
Speaker 6: and polio and all that. See, they're trying to get
Speaker 6: him across as somebody that you know is from humble beginning,
Speaker 6: somebody who knows right from wrong.
Speaker 3: That the thing appreciates justice.
Speaker 6: He appreciates justice, the thing Vince, the many things Vince
Speaker 6: wants to believe about an American hero. Even though the
Speaker 6: tide was turning as the eighties became the nineties, I believe.
Speaker 3: That I am a a living, breathing example of justice
Speaker 3: being served. Wow you think so?
Speaker 6: Doesn't that remain to be seen? What doesn't that remain
Speaker 6: to be seen?
Speaker 3: I am Listen, I am I am just and I
Speaker 3: am Ice.
Speaker 6: That's fucking sick Just plus Ice. Well, I'll tell you.
Speaker 6: If there's justice in this world, the types of which SID,
Speaker 6: the types of which SID Justice promised to bring to
Speaker 6: the World Wrestling Federation in nineteen ninety one, then our
Speaker 6: good pal Gabe is going to continue, Oh yes, to
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Speaker 3: Look at him.
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Speaker 11: Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: But he's got an intensity in his eyes that doesn't
Speaker 6: say crazy. It says no, like you don't want to
Speaker 6: face me down in a saloon somewhere right exactly. You
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Speaker 3: I was I'll tell you, I was very intrigued by
Speaker 3: that there were two, that there were two battles that
Speaker 3: were neck and neck for the whole time. You know
Speaker 3: that it was a Vern and Andre and what should
Speaker 3: we call it? And uh and Jesse and the editor
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Speaker 6: Thought we let him in the debates. I mean, you
Speaker 6: imagine if we didn't let him in the debates, it
Speaker 6: would have happened. I know, exactly. So really really getting
Speaker 6: interesting as folks are now really having to decide. You know,
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Speaker 6: And I can't wait to see who ultimately crowned King
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Speaker 3: Wonder I see That's what I was saying, you know,
Speaker 3: we were talking about when we were recording the episode.
Speaker 3: I do wonder if Vienna's would have would have helped Sid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's term.
Speaker 3: Didn't drop before before it changed.
Speaker 6: It certainly appeared that Sid's passing did help him advance
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Speaker 6: to the wire. Yeah, there are fans out there like
Speaker 6: fuck that No Vern fans like no fuck that Andre,
Speaker 6: and you can see them pushing each other back and
Speaker 6: forth as the as the percentage totals change, and.
Speaker 3: I do I do find it very interesting too that
Speaker 3: it was Jesse fighting the media. You know, that's what
Speaker 3: that's what he was doing. He was fighting the media,
Speaker 3: and I wanted it was probably holding me back the
Speaker 3: whole damn time, right, you know, I'm shitting here saying, hey,
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Speaker 3: I'm king of the country. It's about time I triumph
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Speaker 3: this is fascinating. He beats his best friend in round one,
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Speaker 6: talk about the people he's beating in the X Games
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Speaker 6: Absolutely. I mean, he's the one that's been my finding
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Speaker 3: I'm scrutiny now I'm being scrutinized. I'm pleasant, I'm content.
Speaker 3: I'm exactly where I knew I would be, and that
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Speaker 6: Yeah, if we had the reigns of the Netflix series,
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Speaker 6: the feeling by all the time, all of a sudden done,
Speaker 6: Vince will not be taking an l here. Okay, that's
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Speaker 6: before you know it, because that's what's up. And I'll
Speaker 6: tell you what, boss, If we keep talking about Viennas,
Speaker 6: if we keep going down this road in our sid tribute, yes,
Speaker 6: I think our pro Wrestling tea shop is going to
Speaker 6: get to reflect it quite quickly.
Speaker 3: Yes, I will say that there are already by the
Speaker 3: time this drops, there should be two Vienna shirts added
Speaker 3: to the catalog.
Speaker 6: I mean, people are hitting us up with their own
Speaker 6: brilliant designs. It's just like this is the thing, this
Speaker 6: is going to be the thing. I mean, Yeah, you
Speaker 6: can't talk about Vienna sausages as much as sid did
Speaker 6: in his you know, I mean in its twilight it's
Speaker 6: without us grabbing onto it.
Speaker 3: It's really what is so what is incredible about it
Speaker 3: really is the fact that here here is that he
Speaker 3: talked so passionately about it. Yes, you know, he could
Speaker 3: have he could have talked about it and just kind
Speaker 3: of thrown it away, but he he was all about
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty thousand pounds of Vienna's nipped cans whatever.
Speaker 3: He never pounds.
Speaker 6: He never talked about helping out his church without specifying
Speaker 6: the precise cuisine exactly. And that's the kind of thing
Speaker 6: that's the that's the kind of detail that we don't
Speaker 6: miss here at tlo oh. We never miss that kind
Speaker 6: of stuff because it's all about food instead proving that again,
Speaker 6: so our progresting tees dot Com slash the Lapsed Fan
Speaker 6: Store definitely going to be reflective of the kind of
Speaker 6: moments that are happening as we eight the Great sid
Speaker 6: Udy here over the next several episodes on that fucking cast.
Speaker 6: So you do want to keep it very keep it
Speaker 6: very close eye to the store as well as you
Speaker 6: know meant the aforementioned holiday gifts stuff. I mean, there
Speaker 6: can't be a moment in the catalog over ten years
Speaker 6: that you can't buy a shirt that reflects I know.
Speaker 6: I mean there's so many as we just go, we
Speaker 6: just boss waste no time. I mean, we say something
Speaker 6: on the show and the next day he's texting me like, I.
Speaker 3: Mean sometimes it happens during the show and I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, you know what, I got to do this
Speaker 3: right now, that's as we're recording it. I'll send you
Speaker 3: a fucking It's not like once or twice and I've
Speaker 3: sent you like an image fucking it here. Look at this.
Speaker 6: Part of that ecosystem I mentioned, part of that virtuous circle,
Speaker 6: virtuous cycle. Also, you know, if you want to throw
Speaker 6: a coin in the jukebox and get us to dance
Speaker 6: for you, Cameo is there for you? Okay, no, yes,
Speaker 6: hemeo dot com slash lapsed fan, send us your requests,
Speaker 6: jump in a cannon, have lapsed characters and do things
Speaker 6: that you think are appropriate or funny, or you know,
Speaker 6: just have us pass on some well wishes to someone
Speaker 6: in your life, or have lapsed Vince talk down to
Speaker 6: someone on their birthday. You've done several of those.
Speaker 3: God, that's always the best is when they you know,
Speaker 3: when they say, hey, you know so and so is
Speaker 3: celebrating this. Can you tell them what a fucking piece
Speaker 3: of shit they are? Yes, that's easy, plenty of practice
Speaker 3: in there, you say, so that's what you want?
Speaker 6: Sure, so do do patronize us in more ways than
Speaker 6: one over on cameo. That's that's very much available to
Speaker 6: you and and vibrant and again we'll want the call out.
Speaker 6: We did it last week and I'm just not gonna
Speaker 6: let it happen again this year. Where we think of
Speaker 6: the Christmas show too late for folks that want to
Speaker 6: get us stuff to feature on that wonderful annual tradition
Speaker 6: that that's taking shape the unwrapping as we've taken gifts
Speaker 6: from the Solar system and unwrap them and react to
Speaker 6: them in real time on the pod as part of
Speaker 6: spreading some holidays cheer and so if you want to
Speaker 6: make sure that whatever you have in mind for your
Speaker 6: co chairman arrives in time for said taping and isn't
Speaker 6: sort of like straggler gifts that we were glad to
Speaker 6: open and thrilled and delighted to open, but we'd like
Speaker 6: to We just love to fit everything in that one
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Speaker 6: the spirit and it's and everything is as it should
Speaker 6: be if you want to be part of that session,
Speaker 6: which to me, you really should want to be. Uh,
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Speaker 6: rather than later, especially if you're overseas and international. That's
Speaker 6: something that I think we've underestimated in the past.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that can be. That can be uh get
Speaker 3: a little troubling. So a little troubling, a little trouble.
Speaker 6: It just might just takes longer than we appreciate that
Speaker 6: sometimes to get to get to us. And so you
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Speaker 6: time is now. We've already got We've already got how
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Speaker 3: Seven or eight.
Speaker 6: I think that's a hell of a start. So this
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Speaker 6: make sure that it is indeed a merry Christmas for
Speaker 6: everybody in the Solar System. You know what to do,
Speaker 6: and we continue to offer, uh, let's say, seasonal reinforcement.
Speaker 6: You know, when it leaves turn or the weather turns,
Speaker 6: you can count on your co chairman to sniff that
Speaker 6: out and present content that's that's appropriate in that way.
Speaker 6: Last year, it was tricky under the cinemat to keep
Speaker 6: with the the scary movie bargain that we made upon
Speaker 6: the launch of this incredibly popular series where we dive
Speaker 6: in to Hollywood movies that feature pro wrestlers and just
Speaker 6: go all in on whatever the wrestler is and.
Speaker 3: Whatever the movie is.
Speaker 6: We're in the middle of the Bond journey, but Boss
Speaker 6: tell them about the sort of detour will be taking
Speaker 6: and how the rest of the year is going to
Speaker 6: shape out.
Speaker 3: Under the cinema. Yes, as as I mentioned before, you
Speaker 3: know we were in the middle. We're actually at a
Speaker 3: great stopping point for now on the Bond journey because
Speaker 3: of the way that the final leg of the journey
Speaker 3: is its own. It's its own journey in a way,
Speaker 3: you know, it's its own journey, and so it's a
Speaker 3: it's a it's a good place to kind of reuh,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of regroup a little bit, take a
Speaker 3: moment and focus on some other things, and then come
Speaker 3: back to it and start afresh. So it is Scary
Speaker 3: Movie season, and we will have movies all throughout October
Speaker 3: for Scary Movie Season, and then we'll return with James Bond.
Speaker 6: In November and finish that up just in time for
Speaker 6: Christmas movie season exactly, exact right to our point about
Speaker 6: holiday themes exactly, I have to say, you know, as
Speaker 6: much Christmas and Halloween or whatever, you know, Fourth of July,
Speaker 6: whatever the holiday is themed content we've done on the
Speaker 6: main show over the past ten years, I feel the
Speaker 6: most inner warmth when I sit down for an Under
Speaker 6: the Cinemat episode that's in keeping with the season. Oh,
Speaker 6: that's under the Cinemat is the place to really soak
Speaker 6: that in.
Speaker 3: It really, you know, it's it does the same thing
Speaker 3: for me, Like, you know, when I start looking at
Speaker 3: the movies that that that that I've chosen for the seasons,
Speaker 3: it just it really does that there's something about it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this is so great, Like I get
Speaker 3: all tingly and no different with this. I'm then we
Speaker 3: get it. We get some some real heavy hitters. So
Speaker 3: I'm excited to I'm excited to thrust that upon you.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6: I mean scary movies that is truly the dominion of
Speaker 6: the pro wrestler when one totally is he tries to
Speaker 6: make the transition to Hollywood. I mean, we talked about
Speaker 6: when we did Halloween, the Michael Myers character influencing so
Speaker 6: many rest of characters from King all the way down,
Speaker 6: and just so much to chew on.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 6: We're sitting here talking about a sid who I don't
Speaker 6: know exactly if you'd call the Mad Mac series, the
Speaker 6: Thunderdome stuff scary movies, but they're certainly, you know, there
Speaker 6: are certainly characters created in the vein of fucking you know,
Speaker 6: superkillers basically. Sure, So it's all there. I mean, these
Speaker 6: bookers from our these bookers that put the wrestling out
Speaker 6: there that we absorbed and remember so fondly we're watching
Speaker 6: movies to get inspiration.
Speaker 3: They're very absorbed into pop culture and what was going
Speaker 3: on in Hollywood.
Speaker 6: We're gonna get through this utter of the cinemat format
Speaker 6: a chance to talk about all of them over the years,
Speaker 6: and definitely definitely a time to lean in, you know,
Speaker 6: because you're gonna get the end of the Bond journey,
Speaker 6: you're gonna get scary movie season, you're gonna get Christmas
Speaker 6: movie season. It's where UTC really thrives and goes absolutely nuts.
Speaker 6: So you want to absolutely consider joining if you're on
Speaker 6: the fence about it again. Under the Cinemata is available
Speaker 6: to our executive producer tier on Patreon and above those
Speaker 6: Mote tier members of course get everything and more. And
Speaker 6: we've got quite quite a few ideas in mind for
Speaker 6: some lapsed outings that have been the exclusive dominion the
Speaker 6: invite only list on the Moat tier yep, because if
Speaker 6: you're willing to show that much support, we're willing to
Speaker 6: let you into the circle closer to the conscience, closer
Speaker 6: to the beating heart of the cast. So I keep
Speaker 6: your eyes and ears peel if you're in the moat
Speaker 6: tier for that, but of course under the Cinemat available
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Speaker 6: and we definitely urge you to consider joining. One of
Speaker 6: the things we're going to be unloading on you as
Speaker 6: part of the Sid Journey is an archived under the
Speaker 6: Cinemat episode that all of a sudden as relevance. We
Speaker 6: did it on a lark, I think, boss, I.
Speaker 3: Mean it was well, no, it was, I mean it
Speaker 3: was done. I mean, I guess partially on a lark.
Speaker 13: It was.
Speaker 3: It was a scary movie, you know, so it's kind
Speaker 3: of fitting in a way. It was an awful horror
Speaker 3: film and Sid is in it. And there actually was
Speaker 3: a feature on Sid getting his makeup done because he
Speaker 3: plays a monster. Yes, so it's called River of Darkness
Speaker 3: and he plays Jonah Jacobs. And this is when he
Speaker 3: did way after his wrestling career was over. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean this was came out in twenty eleven.
Speaker 6: So we've done it. We did it years ago under
Speaker 6: the Cinemat.
Speaker 3: R two years ago. Actually two years ago.
Speaker 6: We did it, but to give you a sampling as
Speaker 6: we're you know, as every now and then we're inspired
Speaker 6: to do. Remember, we did uh, we brought forward Rocky
Speaker 6: three when we did the Terry Funk tribute because of
Speaker 6: the role that he at Paradise Alley. You know where
Speaker 6: Terry Funk is actually in it Rocky three. He plays
Speaker 6: a role in the lore around how Holt Colgan ultimately
Speaker 6: got the thunder Lips role. Oh God, whors Paradise Alley
Speaker 6: prominently featuring Terry Funk is Frankie the Thumper and in
Speaker 6: many ways setting a blueprint for what Rocky is, or
Speaker 6: at least speaking to it. So it's great, it's it's
Speaker 6: it's always awesome, and we can be like, all right,
Speaker 6: there's a cinemat episode that that makes some sense here
Speaker 6: to surface. We surfaced ready to rumble when we were
Speaker 6: in the midst of our you know, history of w
Speaker 6: CW stuff, when Weis was doing their series and we
Speaker 6: started doing a show about w W greed the final
Speaker 6: pay per view. So it makes sense to make River
Speaker 6: of Darkness available to all and the glimpse it gives us.
Speaker 6: Did you know that Sid was in consideration for a
Speaker 6: super Shredder.
Speaker 3: I did not know that.
Speaker 6: I don't remember if we talked about that. I don't
Speaker 6: think so, I don't think I knew that, but yeah,
Speaker 6: he's talked about it. He pretty much was like Chilly
Speaker 6: on the idea. He was never really enthusiastic about getting
Speaker 6: into two movies and he was under the I think
Speaker 6: there was kind of a thing where he's got a
Speaker 6: story where because his wrestling obligations were going to be
Speaker 6: such that the office would kind of sour on losing
Speaker 6: him for that long at WCW. That that's why the
Speaker 6: role went to Kevin Nash was basically because you know,
Speaker 6: Nash was much more expendable in terms if you take
Speaker 6: him off the road, it's not going to make a
Speaker 6: very big difference to the cards because he was oz
Speaker 6: Still or Vine Vegas probably at that point in time,
Speaker 6: and no one gave a fuck really, you know, if
Speaker 6: he was around or not. So so yeah, I guess
Speaker 6: we can. We can chalk up Sid passing on Super
Speaker 6: Shredder to Kevin Nash getting his first taste of Hollywood,
Speaker 6: which to this day he definitely still has an appetite for.
Speaker 6: Oh fuck yeah and say that for sure. Yes, So
Speaker 6: keep your eyes peeled and do join in just in
Speaker 6: time for Under the Cinemat to reach a whole new level.
Speaker 6: I can't wait to see what the boss has in mind.
Speaker 6: As the leaves turn and as those jack O lanterns
Speaker 6: get lit, people are starting earlier this year than ever.
Speaker 3: I can't believe it. I really cannot believe it. I
Speaker 3: get so excited when I see It's like I drive
Speaker 3: by someone's lawn, you know, on one day, and then
Speaker 3: you know the next day it's completely littered with Halloween decorations.
Speaker 3: I'm so fucking excited.
Speaker 6: That's a long time coming. And we're gonna we're gonna
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Speaker 6: Would that dispensed with? Where did we leave sid Well?
Speaker 6: We left him making a decision, Uh, do I sign
Speaker 6: this guaranteed contract with WCW with promises of a world
Speaker 6: title run or do I take this nagging thing from
Speaker 6: Vince of like this is going to be my only
Speaker 6: opportunity to have this spot the number one spot in
Speaker 6: professional wrestling.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: Of course, what Vince McMahon does and doesn't mean when
Speaker 6: he makes these representations vis a vis Hulk Cogan spot
Speaker 6: is up for debate and an interpretation.
Speaker 3: I mean right, I mean their money. Oh, I can
Speaker 3: offer this opportunity pill and we're just talking about an
Speaker 3: opportunity to eventually obtain a spot similar to Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: You know there have been many there, We've you've taken
Speaker 3: chances on a multitude of individuals who have either succeeded
Speaker 3: in their own way or perhaps uh not succeeded in
Speaker 3: their own way. And you know, we're always we're always
Speaker 3: looking to maintain a you know, a caliber a caliber
Speaker 3: of caliber of competitor right to to you know, potentially
Speaker 3: lead the way into the future of the WWE and
Speaker 3: at the same time, you know, lead but not you know,
Speaker 3: lead but fall pretty far behind Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 6: Okay, sounds appetizing. I'm I'm doubly sold now, Vinz, thanks
Speaker 6: for the extrapolation. But yeah, I mean because Sid just
Speaker 6: came up with this thing of like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: if w CW is offering this much money right now,
Speaker 6: this is an opportunity for me to see what Vince
Speaker 6: would say if I put myself out there and and
Speaker 6: he just says, I want Hogan spot. It's similar to
Speaker 6: when Brett wanted to come at WCW and he said,
Speaker 6: he wants a dollar more than Hogan makes. Yeah, right,
Speaker 6: that's just like shorthand for the most money I could
Speaker 6: possibly make your company.
Speaker 3: I want I want Hulk Coogan spot. I see that's
Speaker 3: a very interesting proposition for yourself.
Speaker 6: I do you sound like a yes?
Speaker 3: Are you referring to? Just what spot? Are you referring to?
Speaker 3: I want this spot?
Speaker 6: Well, I am you mean you mean the leg drop?
Speaker 3: Do you mean? Do you mean? Do you mean his
Speaker 3: his parking spot tightened hours? Is that I can do that?
Speaker 7: That that?
Speaker 3: I don't think there'll be much of a problem. I
Speaker 3: want a spot on the card, my birthday card. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's fine too, I will I will make that happen.
Speaker 3: You can have where he would sign it. You can
Speaker 3: have his spot.
Speaker 6: Can you imagine he pulls up to the tower for
Speaker 6: the meeting to sign the contract, and there's a sign
Speaker 6: in the parking lot with Hulk Hogan's name on it,
Speaker 6: crossed out with Sid over Teltreppel. I'm a man of
Speaker 6: my wordy, you have whole Hogan spot.
Speaker 3: I'm pleased.
Speaker 6: I hope you are too, Because he said Sid. You
Speaker 6: know Sid says Vince flew him out immediately upon expressing
Speaker 6: interest immediately. And god, can you imagine being a Titan
Speaker 6: Towers the day Sid walks through the front door for
Speaker 6: the first time. Oh my god, the buzz that creates
Speaker 6: it be insane just to be in the in the
Speaker 6: confines because you know they've moved offices, but that old
Speaker 6: Titan Tower, man, it was in a kind of like
Speaker 6: a residential neighborhood, like you could just like, yeah, you
Speaker 6: could spy on that place. I think yes, and I'm
Speaker 6: sure wrestling fans have over the years. But my god,
Speaker 6: just to think about the intrigue going on at this
Speaker 6: point with him playing both sides. You know, Sid recalls
Speaker 6: Dusty coming up to him at a show in Alabama
Speaker 6: WCW because Dusty had taken the book back over after
Speaker 6: his WWF run and came in the February of ninety one.
Speaker 6: So this is right around the time Sid is weighing
Speaker 6: what to do. And you know, as you heard last week,
Speaker 6: Dusty tail Sid, this is the plans I have. We
Speaker 6: can make your world champ. You're gonna have a match
Speaker 6: with Vader, then you're gonna do a feud with Rick
Speaker 6: rud And the way Sid has talked about it in
Speaker 6: Chewed interviews. They were going to build up Rick Rude
Speaker 6: really strong with a bunch of big wins. There apparently
Speaker 6: was like a boxing commercial featuring Julier Ciso Chavez at
Speaker 6: the time where they ran down like in a black
Speaker 6: and white ad, like a laundry list of the names
Speaker 6: he had defeated to get to the next match, And
Speaker 6: they were going to do something similar, according to Sid,
Speaker 6: with Rick Rud, where they would list all the opponents
Speaker 6: he's he's gone through to get to Sid. I hadn't
Speaker 6: really thought about Sid versus Rick Rud for the WCW
Speaker 6: title as a program. I don't know if that excites
Speaker 6: me or not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Ian that does sound interesting.
Speaker 6: It's interesting cause I don't know how you cast both
Speaker 6: guys necessarily.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's that's kind of that
Speaker 3: is hard. But I'm intrigued by that. I'm intrigued by
Speaker 3: a Rude and Sid program.
Speaker 6: Yep, absolutely.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 6: Yeah as the baby face So Rick Rud babyface runs
Speaker 6: I think was the idea. And you know, so Dusty's
Speaker 6: putting the pressure. He's like, I want you to have
Speaker 6: a brand new contract. I want you to be here
Speaker 6: for four years, five years something like that. At the time,
Speaker 6: he was on like a one or two year year deal,
Speaker 6: and so they came up with the figure. And you know,
Speaker 6: he he had heard Sid has said and shooting interviews.
Speaker 6: He had heard at the time of these discussions were
Speaker 6: going on that Hulk Hogan was considering taking time off.
Speaker 6: Of course, this is amid the Arsenio Hall mess and
Speaker 6: hul Cogan's fucking disastrous nineteen ninety one, and that that
Speaker 6: would be a spot that could be open on the
Speaker 6: WWF cards because certainly Warrior had failed. And it's true
Speaker 6: if you look at the if you look at who
Speaker 6: they had, like, yeah, it's not really clear who was
Speaker 6: going to be the top baby face in WWF. But
Speaker 6: Hogan took the hiatus. It really wasn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't agree with I agree with that.
Speaker 6: So you can as ludicrous as it might sound at first,
Speaker 6: that Sid was offered the Hogan spot, so to speak,
Speaker 6: or was led to believe that the Hogan spot was
Speaker 6: open to him by Vince, I can see if if
Speaker 6: it was concrete that Hogan was going to disappear for
Speaker 6: six months for the first time since you know, ho
Speaker 6: Comania started, really that kind of a prolonged disappearance, and
Speaker 6: you can kind of see how someone could be convinced
Speaker 6: that this is a new opportunity. You know, we know
Speaker 6: Hogan comes back and just takes right over again.
Speaker 7: We know this.
Speaker 3: So it's like.
Speaker 6: It's hard to remember what a weird headspace they were in.
Speaker 6: Is it regards that spot in ninety two and as
Speaker 6: it regards Hogan in ninety two. Yeah, with that open
Speaker 6: ended question about when he'd come back, So he's he's
Speaker 6: thinking about this, and he you know, knows that that's
Speaker 6: a big money opportunity. He'd never talked to Vince up
Speaker 6: to that point. Says maybe I should give him a call.
Speaker 6: So I called him. He put him right through, told
Speaker 6: him what was going on. Would you fly in tomorrow?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 6: So he went over there. I told him what I wanted.
Speaker 6: I can't promise that, Yeah, just like just like Vince
Speaker 6: can't promise an annual salary pal. What's funny that it's
Speaker 6: funny Bell, you can't promise. You can't promise you'll be here.
Speaker 6: I can't promise anything but opportunity.
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't promise that you'll have a job ever. Again,
Speaker 3: I can't wait to come to work for him. How
Speaker 3: does that feel? Exactly? Where? Fuck with me? Exactly?
Speaker 6: How does that feel? That's the opening conversation between Vince
Speaker 6: and Sid. Sid probably should have taken a hint at
Speaker 6: that point. No, how does that feel? But you know,
Speaker 6: he's like he's looking at with the exception of when
Speaker 6: he first broke in and was scraping by, he's looking
Speaker 6: at a business that he's only non guaranteed money in
Speaker 6: the WP contract was guaranteed, whether he was hurt or not.
Speaker 6: And he's feeling Vince out on whether you know, as
Speaker 6: much as it's clear in the industry that Vince doesn't
Speaker 6: offer guaranteed money, will he bend here as he eventually did,
Speaker 6: not to Sid so much, but to others. And No,
Speaker 6: Vince was still steadfast in nineteen ninety one about not
Speaker 6: off ring a guaranteed salary.
Speaker 3: But you know he was able to say that, Look,
Speaker 3: I don't believe in guarantees. Why is that promises? I
Speaker 3: don't believe in guarantees.
Speaker 6: I believe in promises. You, however, should not believe in
Speaker 6: my promises.
Speaker 3: You should believe in my guarantees which are nil, which
Speaker 3: are not you know, they're not necessarily reliable, but you
Speaker 3: should believe in them.
Speaker 6: By the way, there goes that word again.
Speaker 3: Yes, mother.
Speaker 6: So so Vince isn't, you know, budging on that front.
Speaker 6: So for Sid, it's it's a gamble. But when you
Speaker 6: talk about the Hogan spot, it pencils out. It's like, okay, well,
Speaker 6: what I mean is that Hogan made this much for WrestleMania,
Speaker 6: he made this much for merch. And it's like, if
Speaker 6: Sid is convincing himself that he can do as great
Speaker 6: a job as Hulk did, he's convincing himself he can
Speaker 6: make as much money as Hulk did. Of Course, Vince,
Speaker 6: if I can editorialize here, Vince knows that's not true.
Speaker 6: Vince knows there's no fucking chance that, no matter what
Speaker 6: he does with Sid, he's going to be anywhere near
Speaker 6: as over as Hulk was for those peak earning years.
Speaker 6: But it wouldn't surprise me that that wouldn't stop Vince
Speaker 6: from sliding those numbers across the table as what might
Speaker 6: be possible. Of course, absolutely, And yeah, listen, you know
Speaker 6: what I want to tell you. Something said anything is
Speaker 6: possible in the wah. You know there's a lot further I.
Speaker 3: Could you know, and uh, maybe someday get arrested.
Speaker 6: It's not gonna happen, but as possible, I get indicted
Speaker 6: one day, I.
Speaker 3: Could get indicted. I can get indicted, maybe multiple times.
Speaker 9: Us.
Speaker 3: I'll get off at home and in the legal.
Speaker 6: Platform, at home and in the legal platform, at the
Speaker 6: legal arena, at the legal category. It's just another platform
Speaker 6: to fence and Nadie McMahon. So yeah, that's what I
Speaker 6: can offer. And so Sid's like fuck that, I'll take
Speaker 6: guaranteed money, thanks, but no thanks. And he's getting all
Speaker 6: dressed up to go to the WW offices living near
Speaker 6: Atlanta to sign the contract, and according to him, Vince
Speaker 6: calls again. His wife picks up as he's in the driveway.
Speaker 6: This always happens to said, like I said in part one,
Speaker 6: there's always a story around how that phone call came
Speaker 6: through when he wasn't expecting it, because he just, you know,
Speaker 6: he's very sensitive about being accused of playing two sides
Speaker 6: off of each other, which is of course precisely what
Speaker 6: he did. Of course, so he has to like come
Speaker 6: up with these stories about how he didn't want to
Speaker 6: talk to someone on the phone. They just happened to
Speaker 6: call him, and he has the same story, but when
Speaker 6: he came back in ninety five about how it was
Speaker 6: a call waiting thing. He was avoiding calls and he
Speaker 6: got stuck just clicking over when he was on a
Speaker 6: call and it was Vince and now he's stuck. Oh shit,
Speaker 6: I answered the phone. I'm stuck. I can't say no
Speaker 6: at that point if you answer the phone, right. So
Speaker 6: his wife waves him down in the driveway and tells
Speaker 6: him Vince's on the phone again, And that's the that's
Speaker 6: the story that we ended last episode with was where
Speaker 6: Vince says something to the effect of you know, because
Speaker 6: Sid has told the story several times and the wording
Speaker 6: he puts in Vince's mouth is always a little different,
Speaker 6: but it's essentially, you know, you'll never get an opportunity
Speaker 6: like this again, this is your in that that really
Speaker 6: apparently resonated with Sid, and despite there not being a
Speaker 6: guaranteed offer, he takes Vince's offer, and he even said
Speaker 6: in one interview that he actually went to the w
Speaker 6: W offices after that conversation, had them hand the contract
Speaker 6: to him across the table, and he returned it to
Speaker 6: them and said, no, I'm leaving. He's still fucking idiot
Speaker 6: went to the Yeah, uh went to the offices to
Speaker 6: to to engage in that showmanship because certainly, certainly he
Speaker 6: wasn't looking for a counter offer. That was not at
Speaker 6: all his intention to play anyone off of anybody else.
Speaker 6: He he doesn't play bullshit games like that. According to Fair,
Speaker 6: I'm Vince, Vince. I didn't. I didn't call you back
Speaker 6: because I didn't want to put you in the middle.
Speaker 6: And in other words, I didn't call you back so
Speaker 6: I wanted you to call back with a sweeter offer.
Speaker 3: And it happened, didn't it. I can't do not or
Speaker 3: or admit to anything.
Speaker 6: Here's the magic wand he said, Vince told him, what
Speaker 6: do you want? So he says, Hogan, spot and we
Speaker 6: go from there. I see, And as he said, you know,
Speaker 6: he walked away from seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 6: guaranteed in WCW when you put all the value of
Speaker 6: all the contracts together. So he's coming into WWF with
Speaker 6: that level of expectation that if he doesn't exceed that
Speaker 6: level of earnings, to his mind and the way he
Speaker 6: thinks about the business, he's made a huge mistake. So
Speaker 6: as much as we can celebrate this run. And as
Speaker 6: much as said looked like a real big time player
Speaker 6: in wwfter in this run, in his mind, all he's
Speaker 6: thinking about is how much he would have been guaranteed
Speaker 6: if he was in WCW and the opportunities that creates
Speaker 6: perhaps for him to dick off a little bit and
Speaker 6: still get paid. Right, He's tremendous, is what he is,
Speaker 6: which under Vince's stuff, which under Vince's system you can't
Speaker 6: really do. I mean, you get paid because you work
Speaker 6: on shows that Vince perceives you helped, you know, draw
Speaker 6: a big house for or big pay per view by
Speaker 6: rate for and then you get, you know, through some
Speaker 6: completely opaque formula, a slice of that. And if he
Speaker 6: perceived my sense is if he perceives you're unhappy, or
Speaker 6: if he perceives that he needs to keep you closer
Speaker 6: to the vest, he bumps you up and you get
Speaker 6: a bigger check than you would have expected. And he
Speaker 6: does that strategically along the way to make to keep
Speaker 6: your sort of eyes wide about what the possibilities might
Speaker 6: be for bigger checks down the road. If you continue
Speaker 6: pleasing him. You know that that's how he used to
Speaker 6: operate and so.
Speaker 3: How can you pleasure me?
Speaker 6: That's how the contract were.
Speaker 3: Listen said, I'm in the business of.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, say it.
Speaker 3: I'm in the business of pleasure, and I need to
Speaker 3: know before I offer you anything. How are you going
Speaker 3: to pleasure.
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 6: He needs to know this. He needs to know this
Speaker 6: before he offers him anything, as if what he's willing
Speaker 6: to do to please Vince isn't in direct correlation to
Speaker 6: how much he's willing he's going to make. You know,
Speaker 6: So you mean for zero dollars, what am I willing
Speaker 6: to do for you? Is that the question?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 6: Well, you tell me right, not what most say, Pal.
Speaker 6: I follow your logic, Pal, but that's not what most
Speaker 6: say when I put that proposition to them. I tell
Speaker 6: you those that have strong answers to that questions are
Speaker 6: working here making very good money.
Speaker 3: Right now, I've had a numerous pleasure you know, pleasure
Speaker 3: positive experiences.
Speaker 6: And here I am thinking PPE stood for personally protective equipment.
Speaker 3: Where do you come up with this ship?
Speaker 6: I swear to God's pleasure positive experiences, He's in the
Speaker 6: pleasure of business.
Speaker 3: Are you fucking kidding to say?
Speaker 6: And you can picture said like basically short circuit and
Speaker 6: you're trying to process what all these code words mean.
Speaker 3: No, no clue. Look, I just want to wrestle.
Speaker 6: That's what you want to do. That's your side on
Speaker 6: what I want to receive. I just want to wrestle.
Speaker 6: That's what you want to do. That's not what I
Speaker 6: want to receive. What what do you want to receive.
Speaker 7: Of?
Speaker 6: It's good you're you're so certain, right. If you know
Speaker 6: what you don't want to receive, that must mean you
Speaker 6: know what you do want to receive.
Speaker 3: Listen again, you know the the the the ability to
Speaker 3: compete in the ring is something that you offer. But
Speaker 3: in reception, I need something that is a little more
Speaker 3: ethereal than ahead ethereal. And what else is I just?
Speaker 3: I need, you know, I need. I need something that
Speaker 3: kind of expands my mind, expands my my sensory.
Speaker 6: The fuck, oh my god. I never know what this
Speaker 6: guy's gonna say.
Speaker 3: Because I can hire any I can't. I can bring
Speaker 3: any any schmuck in here and say go ahead and wrestle.
Speaker 3: But I need, you know, what do I get in
Speaker 3: this in this venture?
Speaker 6: He's thinking to himself, what does this guy want me
Speaker 6: to say? For Christ's sake, It's like because now now
Speaker 6: it's too late. Now you can't go back to Dusty.
Speaker 6: So it's like, now, Vince, like wait a minute, let's
Speaker 6: really talk here.
Speaker 3: And and you know, I need to know exactly how
Speaker 3: you are going to give me pleasure. I am a
Speaker 3: pleasure receptor and I require your services.
Speaker 6: It's like an androgen receptor, like the It's what the
Speaker 6: steroids attached to. Oh my god, I mean, what what
Speaker 6: do you want? Like you want to you wanna have
Speaker 6: like it's not kind of what happens if you want
Speaker 6: to go, we can go. We haven't seen the doc yet.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, listen, it's just no behavior.
Speaker 6: We haven't seen the doc yet. And I'm not talking
Speaker 6: about Carlin Kolker.
Speaker 3: Okay, So.
Speaker 6: All right, Well they go back and forth and Sid
Speaker 6: says the deal is this that he's going to come
Speaker 6: in and they're gonna do something they've never done before.
Speaker 6: All Sid is going to do for the first year
Speaker 6: is TV's and pay per views. And remember this is
Speaker 6: before Raw. This is you know, that's not much at all.
Speaker 6: You got a couple of TV tapings basically, and worked
Speaker 6: a big pay per view and you know, he does
Speaker 6: have to go on the road.
Speaker 3: That that was what he says.
Speaker 6: Sid says was his understanding about the terms of his arrival,
Speaker 6: and it was kind of Vince's idea of how to
Speaker 6: really accentuate and get Sid ready for a position of
Speaker 6: that magnitude, and so he was all about that. And
Speaker 6: he says after WrestleMania like basically WrestleMania. According to Sid,
Speaker 6: and this lines up with what Dave Meltzer has said
Speaker 6: and what others have said over the years, WrestleMania is
Speaker 6: going to be WrestleMania eight is going to be where
Speaker 6: you're crowned. Now, when I say crowned, do I necessarily
Speaker 6: mean become WWF champion? I think that's what if I'm
Speaker 6: like putting the pieces together. That's what Vince said, for
Speaker 6: what it's worth. Bruce Pritchard, who was in between ww
Speaker 6: F ten years at this time, so he was not
Speaker 6: in the office, says that's just not something Vince does.
Speaker 6: Vince does not promise someone WrestleMania like that.
Speaker 3: They might hear that.
Speaker 6: And we know, you know from Brett Hart's story about
Speaker 6: getting the Winter holl Cog and how when you actually
Speaker 6: get everyone in a room, Vince will go back on
Speaker 6: what you thought you heard about his promises.
Speaker 3: I didn't say you will. I said, you know, it's
Speaker 3: a possibility, right, I can see you a very good
Speaker 3: possibility that you will someday main event a WrestleMania type event.
Speaker 6: All I said said is I can see you having
Speaker 6: WrestleMania as your crowning moment.
Speaker 3: I can. I can see you at a WrestleMania esque event.
Speaker 3: Not in necesscessarily, he's not even promising wrestle Mania, you know,
Speaker 3: a main event of sorts. But you know these are
Speaker 3: these are neither here nor there right at this point.
Speaker 6: Well, this is a Sid who was so incapable of
Speaker 6: remembering the name of the pay per view when he's
Speaker 6: cutting promos for it that, according to him, they had
Speaker 6: to put a sign up and say, just tell Sid
Speaker 6: to say Mania. Oh my god, is he saying wrestling Mania?
Speaker 6: Wherever else he's saying no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, god damn it. Said, what are you saying out there?
Speaker 3: I'm seeing wrestling Mania. That's what I thought. You said,
Speaker 3: It's just wrestle Mania. It's not wrestling Mania. Why the
Speaker 3: fuck would I name my show? I want to name
Speaker 3: anything wrestling Mania? What do you think this is? I
Speaker 3: think it's gonna be the colossal tussle. You bitch.
Speaker 6: Oh shit, I can feel that hand warming up. It's
Speaker 6: not gonna fly yet, but it's warming up. That's the
Speaker 6: first time Vince felt a tingle in his palm.
Speaker 3: A bitch, I will not answer that question. Oh yes,
Speaker 3: you will. No, I will not. You don't know what.
Speaker 6: Instead of saying no, he says, I'm not going to
Speaker 6: answer that question. This is going to be a battle
Speaker 6: and a showdown of two Titanic wits, these two over
Speaker 6: the years. I have the feeling and something tells me
Speaker 6: Sid is not going to accept defeat, no matter how
Speaker 6: clearly Evince comes out the victor and all of their dealings.
Speaker 6: So that's what Sid has in his mind. And Sid's
Speaker 6: big thing about this run is that his expectations coming
Speaker 6: in were just like subverted from the beginning, Like nothing
Speaker 6: went the way he envisioned when he came to terms
Speaker 6: to come to WWF. And this is part of it,
Speaker 6: is that he apparently had a belief that he'd only
Speaker 6: be working TVs and pay per views until WrestleMania, and
Speaker 6: then after WrestleMania he'd be a made man and then
Speaker 6: he'd on how shows and you know, will have been
Speaker 6: set up such to draw on how shows in a
Speaker 6: way that is tantamount to like a whole Coganesque position.
Speaker 6: I guess it's kind of if you put on a
Speaker 6: piece together. What what his expectation was, and again that
Speaker 6: he'd come in as a babyface, because the Hogan spot
Speaker 6: is a baby face spot. Sid has said in interviews
Speaker 6: that Vince told him, We've never done this with anyone,
Speaker 6: and Sid's response says, well, how the fuck am I
Speaker 6: going to get paid for a year if you don't
Speaker 6: give me money, Like if your whole model here is
Speaker 6: earn that money.
Speaker 3: But but you're.
Speaker 6: Purposely not putting me on the road enough to earn anything, well,
Speaker 6: I mean anything substantial.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not doing anything. You're doing that to yourself.
Speaker 3: I'm offering you an opportunity, but.
Speaker 6: You're kind of not because you're not putting on the
Speaker 6: road to earn money night after.
Speaker 3: You Because I can't guarantee you anything, I can't guarantee
Speaker 3: you're going to get this, but I can guarantee you
Speaker 3: one thing. You will have an opportunity.
Speaker 6: See here, Sid at WWF, the real money is made
Speaker 6: by going out there night after night and performing up
Speaker 6: to the fans expectations and building your market value with
Speaker 6: the fans. You have a chance to do that night
Speaker 6: after night here towf and get paid in accordance with
Speaker 6: that effort. However, I am not going to put you
Speaker 6: on ninety percent of those shows. And Sid's like, where
Speaker 6: do I sign? But he comes back and says, where
Speaker 6: am I going to get paid? Like, you know, like literally,
Speaker 6: how is the money going to? Because a lot of
Speaker 6: this money is, you know, the draws on the road.
Speaker 6: You know, you know you've got a certain amount of
Speaker 6: money you can expect to make, and so you go
Speaker 6: to the actual show and draw cash out in your
Speaker 6: bank account and that's how you survive week to week.
Speaker 6: But you have to be in the building to get
Speaker 6: it from the agents and stuff you do right. And
Speaker 6: so what Sid says is Vince came back and said,
Speaker 6: We're going to take care of you. Don't worry about
Speaker 6: the fact that you're not going to be in all
Speaker 6: these house shows in and impacting the kind of money
Speaker 6: you expect to make. So that already is something that
Speaker 6: has Sid kind of sideways about the deal. But he
Speaker 6: really likes or really believes in this, buys into this
Speaker 6: way of presenting him and pushing him, and and I
Speaker 6: kind of, you know, I kind of believe it because
Speaker 6: the way they first start working him in it is
Speaker 6: only TV tapings. It's not like all of a sudden
Speaker 6: Sid starts showing up on a bunch of house shows
Speaker 6: that that no one's heard of to get his his
Speaker 6: his reps in.
Speaker 3: He really doesn't.
Speaker 6: They really just start using him on Superstars tapings, as
Speaker 6: we'll get to, so perhaps early glimpses of that really
Speaker 6: being Vince's plan, but ultimately at the end of it,
Speaker 6: you know, he's looking at a seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 6: thousand dollars potential haul from WCW and he said, I
Speaker 6: never made that kind of money in WWF. I made
Speaker 6: good money, but he didn't make that much. And he
Speaker 6: said he made one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
Speaker 6: WrestleMania eight. So you know, Vince can say, look, you're
Speaker 6: gonna there's a chance you could make seventy five percent
Speaker 6: of your salary that ww's offering you in one night.
Speaker 6: That's how much of a big cash night WrestleMania is.
Speaker 6: And that's how much of it I share with the talent,
Speaker 6: especially the top of the card. So that's a huge
Speaker 6: payday you one hundred fifty grand. I'm I don't know
Speaker 6: if it's a three four year contract, four or five
Speaker 6: year contract at seven hundred and fifty grand total. However
Speaker 6: that shakes out every year. You could say, you know, wow,
Speaker 6: like but every year wrestler, he's not gonna be that
Speaker 6: kind of money for him. He doesn't. He doesn't get that,
Speaker 6: or I think by the time he does get that,
Speaker 6: it becomes how can I get the fuck out of
Speaker 6: this situation? Of course kind of kind of deal. And
Speaker 6: as as we heard Sid say at the conclusion of
Speaker 6: last week's episode in the final analysis, he thinks this
Speaker 6: WWF run that we cherish so much, that burned him
Speaker 6: into our memories forever, such that we remember magazine articles,
Speaker 6: we remember all the toys, you remember all the promos.
Speaker 6: A mistake, that's how Sid chalks it up. A mistake,
Speaker 6: that's right, because of what the WCW contract was that
Speaker 6: he left on the table to do this run that
Speaker 6: we all remember him so much for.
Speaker 3: Never forget that.
Speaker 6: A twenty eighth nineteen ninety one Superstars taping, sid Udy
Speaker 6: walks into a WWF arena for the first time, Boss May.
Speaker 3: I'm ninety one. Can we deal with this? I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 6: He attacks me.
Speaker 3: He's supposed to just debut at SummerSlam.
Speaker 6: Phenomenal. The thing about this, So it's in Tucson, Arizona.
Speaker 6: They're taping television, and they don't tape this for television,
Speaker 6: but it is a TV taping. The Mounie is out there,
Speaker 6: and what he do is come out and like do
Speaker 6: an open challenge. They do this with all kinds of heels,
Speaker 6: not just the Mounie, and Sid came out for the
Speaker 6: first time. Imagine being at this show and fucking Sid
Speaker 6: from WW watch the curtain to answer the call.
Speaker 11: I'd be wild.
Speaker 6: So he gets in there, apparently and just clears the
Speaker 6: Mouni from the ring. According to well you know what's
Speaker 6: known of what happened on this show? As I said, well,
Speaker 6: it took place into television taping, it wasn't taped for television,
Speaker 6: it never aired. And then on the June eighth episode
Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety one of Primetime Wrestling, we start getting
Speaker 6: vignettes promoting Sid's debut.
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Speaker 6: So he's in he's in the inner sanctum now and
Speaker 6: he's you know, learning the ways of WWF. And one
Speaker 6: of the first things he becomes acquainted with is the
Speaker 6: you know, Vince McMahon's inner circle, his cronies Patterson, all
Speaker 6: the way on down. And in an interview with the
Speaker 6: In Your Head podcast, Sid talks about one particular interaction
Speaker 6: with Vince's Lieutenant Pat Patterson that kind of gave him
Speaker 6: a feeling that he's going to be along for quite
Speaker 6: a ride here under the auspices of Titan Sports.
Speaker 8: Now, Jim Barnett, you never would have known Pat was
Speaker 8: a little more so you know where again, you know,
Speaker 8: I remember how was It was my first show with
Speaker 8: the w w F, and I was brought in just
Speaker 8: to see how the show runs, and somehow ended up
Speaker 8: in the call with Pat and Vince and uh JJ
Speaker 8: Dillon and Howard Finkel and Pat asked if how one
Speaker 8: that come out watch lightning with him and Vance I said, no,
Speaker 8: I don't want to come out and watch fucking lightning
Speaker 8: with you guys. He grabbed me in a waist lock
Speaker 8: at the counter. I actually shot and went around. He
Speaker 8: goes I guy said, bastard vance. I said, no, you don't.
Speaker 8: I shot and went around and grabbed him. And you know,
Speaker 8: hearing all the stories, I'd be liar if I didn't say.
Speaker 8: I was a little bit nervous.
Speaker 6: So Pat welcoming in to the table. Uh, yeah, there
Speaker 6: was a little over there.
Speaker 3: You keep your baseball bat in your pants.
Speaker 6: Now, what he doesn't understand is that when Pat said,
Speaker 6: do you want to come out and watch the lightning,
Speaker 6: there's a comma between out and end. Uh and no,
Speaker 6: Sid is not going to come out, Pat. But I
Speaker 6: guess they were going to like stand on the balcony
Speaker 6: of the hotel and watch a lightning storm, and Sid
Speaker 6: was not about that. Welcome to the WWF right, So
Speaker 6: these vignettes start showing his face. Have you do you
Speaker 6: remember these ever seen?
Speaker 3: Come in here? What's a boss? I just want to just,
Speaker 3: you know, we get to sit now. I want to
Speaker 3: kind of feel him out. He's a big motherfucker. He's
Speaker 3: a big motherfucker. You damn right. I'm just curious about
Speaker 3: him on a personal level. Want to try to fucking
Speaker 3: I thought that was your job, boss, I mean, didn't
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I'll fucking financially. Don't worry about that.
Speaker 3: I want you to try to fornicate with him, have
Speaker 3: sexual relations with him, and see what happens.
Speaker 6: Oh, Boss, you know about about it, But I I
Speaker 6: don't think it's gonna end up too well for you. I'dea,
Speaker 6: it's a big he's a big bastard. I don't know
Speaker 6: if he if he's not up for it, A fearful well,
Speaker 6: it's just you don't have to do it.
Speaker 3: Just kind of, you know, feel him out of for it,
Speaker 3: you know, just I just want to know if, if
Speaker 3: you know where in what capacity justice will be served.
Speaker 3: Describe a waistlock in the hotel lobby. Will you pell
Speaker 3: see how he reacts to that? What I'm doing?
Speaker 6: It's not funny.
Speaker 3: Oh we're just playing around, big Sid. Is that being
Speaker 3: a good joke? You want to come watch the lightnings?
Speaker 3: Don't watch lightning? It scares me.
Speaker 6: She Sid declines the offer, goes into his hotel room,
Speaker 6: pulls the covers up to his chin, and just shudders
Speaker 6: with fear like a dog every time the lightning goes off,
Speaker 6: and then goes hats on the balcony with a high ball.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, that that's an impressive one right there. I mean, I, oh,
Speaker 6: well for you pretty amazing. But Vince has his glasses
Speaker 6: like he's he's working at the desk near the near
Speaker 6: the balcony.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with like a with one little desk lamp. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's great lightnings and such stuff there. Nature at his best.
Speaker 3: He would say something, Dylan's sitting on the bad like
Speaker 3: like reading a reading Playboy or something. Yeah, yeah, Pat,
Speaker 3: you just enjoy that lightning storm, watched nature to ejaculate
Speaker 3: all over the fucking country whatever it was. If we
Speaker 3: need that more of that, more of nature's scene.
Speaker 6: Oh then you got what Oh but you got to
Speaker 6: come see it. This is it's funny about them. I
Speaker 6: got a cop.
Speaker 8: See.
Speaker 6: He's like, all right, oh godcha.
Speaker 3: I've seen I've seen all I need to see of
Speaker 3: nature and all of it's some stormic activity.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 6: And they were in they're in Florida. And it became
Speaker 6: it became tough after nineteen ninety two because when he
Speaker 6: had you know what, he asked people if they want
Speaker 6: to go watch the lightning in Tampa. They thought they
Speaker 6: met the hockey team, you know. But so there he
Speaker 6: is said, trembling trembling at the thought, now do you
Speaker 6: remember these vignettes that first started introducing him to or
Speaker 6: how they went about it there.
Speaker 3: I wasn't watching yet. I had no clue when I
Speaker 3: when I when I started watching all I you know,
Speaker 3: I harded hearing about this guy and I was like,
Speaker 3: who the fuck is this Sid? Like, right, he doesn't
Speaker 3: have a has Bro you know, my my roster, and I,
Speaker 3: you know, it's true, the roster that I was familiar
Speaker 3: with were whoever was whoever had a halfbro figure makes
Speaker 3: a ton of sense at that point. The way they
Speaker 3: did it was they started shooting vignettes where everybody in
Speaker 3: the roster started talking about the Sid justice that was
Speaker 3: coming to the W And I didn't have any words
Speaker 3: from Sid. It just had a picture of Sid, well,
Speaker 3: like a video of Sid close up of him making
Speaker 3: maniacal faces or making you know, kind of normal faces,
Speaker 3: but set to music that was very It wasn't like
Speaker 3: psycho music, but it was kind of like looming, you know,
Speaker 3: foreboding kind of music, like, oh, what is this guy
Speaker 3: going to be about? And they had people from Piper
Speaker 3: to to across the talent roster just do these interviews
Speaker 3: about this guy that's coming in as if they all
Speaker 3: know about him before we've ever laid eyes on him
Speaker 3: as fans, and these things to start earring on primetime
Speaker 3: wrestling and on the syndicated shows, and it's a hell
Speaker 3: of a way to bring a guy in. I can't
Speaker 3: remember them doing it quite this way where they have
Speaker 3: a bunch of wrestlers talk about the arrival of a
Speaker 3: guy before he gets there, you know, and such. That's fascinating.
Speaker 6: And this is at a time when you know, certainly
Speaker 6: there'd be WCW fans that would recognize him. But this
Speaker 6: is not at a time where you came in, you know,
Speaker 6: to WWF and most of the fans knew who you
Speaker 6: were ahead of time. So they could really mold this
Speaker 6: clay in terms of how fans would perceive Sid coming
Speaker 6: in the door without a ton of context. And so
Speaker 6: here's a sample of how it starts to sound on
Speaker 6: primetime and we'll we'll dig into this a little more
Speaker 6: as we got any.
Speaker 14: Launch.
Speaker 15: Stay are shitty, got three and seventeen pounds, six foot nine.
Speaker 16: Justice can do anything he wants to.
Speaker 1: Sid Justice.
Speaker 3: He's just the man I've been looking for.
Speaker 17: With your size and intensity, you're a prime candidate for
Speaker 17: my chief tax collector.
Speaker 3: And you know what that means, you.
Speaker 17: Tax cheats out there wouldn't be able to cheat one
Speaker 17: more day, Bobby he In.
Speaker 2: The mystery continues to grow concerning this.
Speaker 17: New arrival here in the World Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 8: Sid Justice, Well, I know Jimmy Hart and Sessational Sherry
Speaker 8: and coach, and I know some of the people are
Speaker 8: are we really looking forward to signing this guy up?
Speaker 2: But well, perhaps he doesn't want a manager.
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Perhaps he's on his own.
Speaker 11: Big as he is, he can be on his own,
Speaker 11: he can be alone.
Speaker 3: So there's all that booing, I sort of think that
Speaker 3: it was Skinner coming down. Yeah, that's probably got it from. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I watched a Prime Time where Skinner was on and
Speaker 3: all I heard was booing when they went back to
Speaker 3: the studio. But that's pretty fucking intriguing for the time.
Speaker 3: I want to know what this guy's about. After that.
Speaker 6: Of course, Roddy Piper at ir S there on those
Speaker 6: pre tapes, and Sean Mooney and Bobby Heenan inside the
Speaker 6: Primetime wrestling studio where they filmed it, filled it rather
Speaker 6: with Titan employees to cheer or jeer as appropriate. So
Speaker 6: that's how we started hearing about this Sid And you
Speaker 6: heard that music, man, that's that's some like scary music there.
Speaker 9: It is.
Speaker 3: It's definite thing that I would be I was expecting.
Speaker 6: So we go forward to July and as these things
Speaker 6: are airing on WWF Television WWF Tapes TV at the
Speaker 6: Saddle Dome in Calgary, and what this is is Sid's
Speaker 6: very first w w F. The aforementioned appearances were him
Speaker 6: running out when a heel issues a challenge in clearing
Speaker 6: the ring, not having a bona fide matchup, and do
Speaker 6: you know what's great about this match?
Speaker 9: Boss?
Speaker 6: They released it on the WWE unreleased DVD set Get
Speaker 6: Out of Here? Are you prepared to watch Sid's very
Speaker 6: first WWF match? No talk about and while I prepare,
Speaker 6: this your earliest memory of him in the ring, Like,
Speaker 6: what do you remember him doing in the ring?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember it now. I imagine that I
Speaker 3: saw him. I imagine that it's funny. So I imagine
Speaker 3: that I must have seen him on All American Wrestling
Speaker 3: at some point, because that's pretty much all I was
Speaker 3: watching during late ninety one was All American Wrestling. So
Speaker 3: I imagine he must have wrestled at some point on there,
Speaker 3: But honestly, the first real memory I have of him
Speaker 3: in the ring is that that I can concretely remember
Speaker 3: is that Saturday Night main event, he and Hogan. That's
Speaker 3: what I can definitely remember as being you know, I
Speaker 3: know I saw him wrestle there, but I'm wonder if
Speaker 3: you have such a gesus he was like top of
Speaker 3: his game by then. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's kind
Speaker 3: of that's kind of it, like that's where that's that's
Speaker 3: my my biggest memory of when he turns on Hogan
Speaker 3: and becomes the really crazy psychopath.
Speaker 6: So you really had no conception of Sid as a babyface.
Speaker 6: You really just learned of him very It.
Speaker 3: Was very little. Like I mean again, I was watching,
Speaker 3: and so I knew who he was, and I must
Speaker 3: have seen him wrestle against the Jobber. I must have,
Speaker 3: because I'm sure he was doing it fairly regularly, given
Speaker 3: that he was still so fresh, you know, but I
Speaker 3: I didn't really know. I certainly didn't know about any
Speaker 3: affiliation with Hogan or really this much about this uh,
Speaker 3: this Jake Roberts thing either, right, But you know, I
Speaker 3: knew he was a baby face. I knew he was
Speaker 3: a good guy, and I knew by February that he
Speaker 3: was a friend of hultkviin. So if he's a friend
Speaker 3: of Hull Covid, he's a friend of mine.
Speaker 6: Open that little link I just dropped in your email
Speaker 6: box there, and we're about to watch and it's available
Speaker 6: on YouTube, isolated from the aforementioned unreleased set that came
Speaker 6: out with It's like a three disc set with a
Speaker 6: bunch of matches that are just historical curiosities. Yeah, they
Speaker 6: had Sean Mooney and Charlie Caruso. I think do the
Speaker 6: stuff in studio, not between the matches. But here it is,
Speaker 6: and you're going to listen along. This is, of course
Speaker 6: not it's on television taping, but it's not tape for distribution,
Speaker 6: so there's no commentary right for the match, but you
Speaker 6: can hear the sights and sounds of the building and
Speaker 6: the ring and everything. Let me know when you're ready,
Speaker 6: and we're gonna watch it along with the Solar. I'm
Speaker 6: ready to go, So if you have it, follow my lead.
Speaker 6: I'm going to hover here over the play button and
Speaker 6: we're gonna play on my one three two one the
Speaker 6: following contests right one.
Speaker 5: Ball, left pointed to the ring license, nice and all.
Speaker 3: Sure by the sensations sixty pounds making old jacket, I
Speaker 3: guess he was as.
Speaker 18: The pairs.
Speaker 2: Million dollars of tad do be awfi you.
Speaker 6: Can hear my audio pops.
Speaker 3: Yes, where Mike McGirk.
Speaker 6: And his opponents for the first time.
Speaker 19: Weighing a three hundred and eighteen pounds. I'm hailing from
Speaker 19: any place.
Speaker 2: He wants to make Jess said.
Speaker 3: Justice all music. I can hit him tower above the people,
Speaker 3: and he's over the hid.
Speaker 7: Everybody in waw wrestling rating, they notice what man they're
Speaker 7: what they man?
Speaker 18: The man is aid Justice.
Speaker 6: So I was doing that whole short monologue to the
Speaker 6: cameo from the very beginner. Yet and he's got red trunks.
Speaker 6: Wow oo, I sure he doesn't let it ok, that's
Speaker 6: got rass on it. Put of the distractions. The dibios
Speaker 6: can kick it off for the fetal accident and learn
Speaker 6: also set So I invite to look at sid as
Speaker 6: a face.
Speaker 7: Here.
Speaker 6: This is this is the most unvarnished.
Speaker 3: Like a few week I get to my parents for sEH.
Speaker 3: It's it's faster than they put him against Ted dibiosiste.
Speaker 6: Yeah that says a lot too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well established of course reverse the ropitep. That's hilariot.
Speaker 3: It's one of the abs.
Speaker 6: And Ted's pumping for him like you would a big
Speaker 6: time to anything yep. And sixteen the floor goes tap
Speaker 6: and so he's screaming like he's a big ten day before.
Speaker 6: It's funny because say Ted as a podcast and co
Speaker 6: host friend said died bid an episode of course, said,
Speaker 6: is a snapshot happen And they try trying to get
Speaker 6: Ted to talk about this match, and they kind of,
Speaker 6: you know, if it was simple like the Devins had
Speaker 6: trust and tend to figure out if sid was in
Speaker 6: the bookcause it's such a tripping out or the title. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and doesn't remember who fucking doesn't remember a day of
Speaker 6: this question.
Speaker 3: A minute of this match said, uh gets table to
Speaker 3: big a time of trap. Yes, it's over at the
Speaker 3: top of the floor. Then I take it together show
Speaker 3: the imagine being his uh you know, being his coach
Speaker 3: hos time on the show and like you know, you're
Speaker 3: pulled building your whole show around Ted talking about this.
Speaker 6: Match, no fucking number round and as it so fucking
Speaker 6: the totally run down. But I'm sure there is.
Speaker 3: Something to do.
Speaker 6: I'm sure Vince parried him in his first aunt to
Speaker 6: do the gunner and I do the asses. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 6: see I never conn a little at a million bucks. Yeah,
Speaker 6: if you can ever put ants up into asso and
Speaker 6: you're not gonna have the knife Ted picking them up
Speaker 6: and dragon and said to the floor. It's just wild this,
Speaker 6: he said, selling like this, like kicking the chops. It's
Speaker 6: almost like they want to see the full rings that
Speaker 6: that you.
Speaker 3: Can do it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, already, then pushing some tools wake.
Speaker 3: They also trust to one set of the post, so
Speaker 3: pushes any from the floor and he also takes it
Speaker 3: on the shower and the red truck trag flat tray.
Speaker 3: That tchabout that?
Speaker 6: I screaming, he says. The rod here are by a
Speaker 6: show can hide that drop? How about sid paar enough
Speaker 6: background and the drop to me, I love that.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's just thing I thought for the new arms,
Speaker 3: and we started doing as old as.
Speaker 6: The skyscraper days to put the crowd on the side.
Speaker 3: Very sid oh the.
Speaker 6: Loaded hers shows a purse, tell him.
Speaker 3: And that's why jesus you get up there. I havn't
Speaker 3: said did Clinton take fully black bunks try to show
Speaker 3: that he's he's a team play. Would him takes high
Speaker 3: bus for you can't take me be awesome?
Speaker 6: It probably is exquesting that if I want to be
Speaker 6: a baby face, you need to see what it looks
Speaker 6: like for yourself.
Speaker 3: Jesus fucking flu you doing a big times if I
Speaker 3: believe that you love Jesus girl.
Speaker 6: Power to kick out. I look at the traps on Sid.
Speaker 3: Look at it, look big traps there you strang?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 20: Yes?
Speaker 3: He did the fist drop Sid set up.
Speaker 6: I gotta talking about ah and this one he doesn't
Speaker 6: really he's dead. I used to love how said he
Speaker 6: used to sell just emotions.
Speaker 7: I am.
Speaker 3: I am not going to suggest winning sed.
Speaker 21: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting. He just fucking fell light flat back
Speaker 3: and said, shown who can take a vertical sup.
Speaker 6: Life to kill.
Speaker 3: Though. I haven't really got to teach to call.
Speaker 6: And inter way war for her rights.
Speaker 3: I just want to kind of see what you can do.
Speaker 6: You're gonna kind of lose, and you're able.
Speaker 3: You're arsenal. You're allowed to portray him entertainment stand part
Speaker 3: and were being entertain right now, said Hits it takes
Speaker 3: a thin body snag from Tobasso falls off the middle
Speaker 3: right with that back of their attacks. It's stupid. This
Speaker 3: is a stupid way.
Speaker 6: It said, catches an inner right hand. Oh goes off
Speaker 6: that fucking face because big white hands come on the
Speaker 6: DBS and buckle Si with the stinger splash. Who ever
Speaker 6: saw that from him?
Speaker 3: That was like, you know, almost a Stiller splash, but
Speaker 3: he kind of shoulder first and lag deep stir in.
Speaker 6: The next to second attack on the right guns one
Speaker 6: times there gets said Basco man that a repining verdict
Speaker 6: takes off for the double acid on the back of
Speaker 6: the head. Those golden curls of said justice ship looks
Speaker 6: up the garnish with big ten reversal by Sid who
Speaker 6: we got here, we are, here, we go where we
Speaker 6: go power bomb and they know.
Speaker 3: He falls with it to the knee, stucks him up.
Speaker 6: It's over.
Speaker 3: Who as a sheet.
Speaker 6: All music.
Speaker 3: Either's people raising hulk hogn videos. That's kind of.
Speaker 6: Imagine going home from the saddle down that night and
Speaker 6: be like, yes, Sid was there and he fucking beat
Speaker 6: Dbasi with no problem.
Speaker 3: Unreal.
Speaker 6: I mean, maybe they came out with this because there
Speaker 6: was a period of time where I wasn't paying very
Speaker 6: close attention to WWDVD releases. Maybe they came out with
Speaker 6: this and I don't know, but where is the DVD
Speaker 6: with everyone's everyone who matters first match?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Man? They should do that.
Speaker 6: That'd be tremendous, at least their first televised match, their
Speaker 6: first first match taped, because I'm you know, not everybody
Speaker 6: starts on a TV taping like this, though I bet
Speaker 6: a lot more do than you would think that matter
Speaker 6: that who he would care to see their first WWF
Speaker 6: match on? But there should be a release. I mean
Speaker 6: seven discs. I don't care of everyone who's ever mattered
Speaker 6: the first match they've ever had on tape for WWF.
Speaker 6: Get to work, folks.
Speaker 3: Where is it?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Right, get it out? Put it on peacock Like, what
Speaker 6: the fuck are you waiting for? Put ads in there,
Speaker 6: programmatic ads each match. Let's make some money here and
Speaker 6: let's give the people. Let's finally realize the promise.
Speaker 3: Of the vault.
Speaker 6: Do you know what I'm saying exactly? This is a
Speaker 6: tantalizing glimpse, this unreleased matches thing of what they could do.
Speaker 6: But it's just like a grab bag of different matches
Speaker 6: that you know, you might be curious about that never
Speaker 6: saw air, and this is a great example of it.
Speaker 3: So I think that'd be an amazing DVD set to
Speaker 3: just have all, like a number of people's first WWE matches.
Speaker 6: And it'd be so much sweeter too, if it's like
Speaker 6: this one where there's no commentary and you just get
Speaker 6: to hear the crowd's organic reactions seeing this character for
Speaker 6: the first time. Amazing, amazing stuff. So so fortunate that
Speaker 6: this came out, you know, and that we weren't toasting
Speaker 6: Sid before we got a chance to see a match
Speaker 6: like this. Yeah, that's been one of the magic of TLFX.
Speaker 13: Man.
Speaker 6: As we've gone, it's become more and more sensible to
Speaker 6: look back on careers because more and more material has
Speaker 6: come out. It's just like, the access to stuff like
Speaker 6: this that we had to just imagine in our heads
Speaker 6: before is it's just amazing. So he continues on the
Speaker 6: loop that again was July eighth of nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 6: He turns around works July ninth, nineteen ninety one, a
Speaker 6: TV taping in Edmonton defeating the Warlord does Sid justice again?
Speaker 6: I believe in a match that never saw air. He
Speaker 6: then moves to the team it ain't so I know
Speaker 6: it's not fair, and look at this is in keeping
Speaker 6: with the promise he's not in any house shows. He
Speaker 6: jumps next to a TV taping in Worcester, mass on
Speaker 6: July twenty ninth, where he takes on Typhoon and defeats him.
Speaker 6: And then he jumps to a TV taping in Portland,
Speaker 6: Maine on July thirtieth, nineteen ninety one, to defeat Typhoon again.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: And he made his WWF television debut on the July
Speaker 6: twentieth episode of Superstars of Wrestling, and it just goes
Speaker 6: from there. Now, what we're about to watch is a series.
Speaker 6: It's it's like a it's a compilation that someone put
Speaker 6: together on YouTube, and I'll be sure to shout them
Speaker 6: out here, but I think it's a really nice compendium
Speaker 6: that kind of gets us up to speed on how
Speaker 6: sid was being presented in these early WWF days, including
Speaker 6: I mean we're talking July here, not much time until survivors,
Speaker 6: pardon me, until SummerSlam.
Speaker 3: SummerSlam.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you got to get him positioned as the
Speaker 6: special guest referee, and you know things are on the
Speaker 6: skids with Warrior and WWF, so I'm sure Vince is
Speaker 6: starting to have a wandering eye as far as you know.
Speaker 6: If if we don't have much time left with the
Speaker 6: Warrior because he's such a pain in the ass, how
Speaker 6: am I going to position the next baby face to
Speaker 6: get the hulk Hogan rub?
Speaker 3: How can I get Sid to be the next Hulk Hogan? Wait?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 3: Who's the next hull Hogan brother? What do you mean, dude?
Speaker 3: Who's the heck hul Hogan brother? Terry?
Speaker 6: I just felt obliged to call you. I just got
Speaker 6: off the phone with Sid from ww and he had
Speaker 6: one He had one wish. I said, you know, here's
Speaker 6: the magic wand and well, what do you want?
Speaker 22: Right?
Speaker 6: I want to see what he'd come up with? And
Speaker 6: I want to run a by your pal. He said
Speaker 6: he wants Hogan spot.
Speaker 3: What do you mean by that? Brother? I said, said,
Speaker 3: what do you want? And he said, I want huld
Speaker 3: Cogan spot? And I said, all right, you got it.
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that, Terry? What do you
Speaker 3: mean by how I feel? It's gone? Dallest thing back, dude,
Speaker 3: For a moment, It's kind of like whoa dude, and
Speaker 3: I kind of jumped ahead, Brother kind of came, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of jumped the gun and the whole thing. Dude,
Speaker 3: who are you talking about? Brother, I'm talking about Sid
Speaker 3: said so Justice the next hult Cogan, h U who
Speaker 3: you been talking to? Brother? I'm not gonna said, what
Speaker 3: do you mean? Said dude.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, dude. I'm in a little bit of a
Speaker 6: state of shock right now.
Speaker 3: I gotta say, dude, I'm taking a back Brother, and
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like, you know, kind of replay kind.
Speaker 6: Of I'm waiting for you to like laugh or like
Speaker 6: you know, just say you're you're you're ribbing me and
Speaker 6: you're not doing that.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of replaying the last like seven years in
Speaker 3: my mind, dude, at at a kind of drastic pace.
Speaker 3: I was kind of understanding, dude, dude, where does Sid
Speaker 3: kind of you know the equation? Brother, I'm not really
Speaker 3: kind of digging this kind of creative move, Dude.
Speaker 6: I've seen him. He's Jack Brother, looks like a million
Speaker 6: bucks dude, but you told him he could have my spot?
Speaker 3: Like what I mean, well, how do we know what
Speaker 3: you're going on? Hiatus? And uh, you know you gotta
Speaker 3: leave you know, steroids and all that ship. We gotta,
Speaker 3: we gotta let you go. I said, he can be.
Speaker 3: You can take the Hulk Hogan spot. What do you
Speaker 3: mean by that, brother, Well, I mean you go and
Speaker 3: the next day and you know, we introduce Hulk Hogan
Speaker 3: and said, Justice, what you're gonna be Hulk Cogan. Dude, well,
Speaker 3: he's not gonna be Terry Blea. He's gonna be We're
Speaker 3: gonna be.
Speaker 6: We thought for a second, okay, well I'm not as
Speaker 6: weird as I was, because at first, brother, I thought
Speaker 6: you meant you were gonna put yellow trunks on him
Speaker 6: and call him Hulk Hogan. I mean, that's my spot.
Speaker 6: I mean, hmm, it's sound like you're above doing it
Speaker 6: with sit and diesel. I mean with a razor and diesel.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna he's gonna he's gonna come down. So right now,
Speaker 6: he said, Justice, Right, I get it. So you know
Speaker 6: you're gonna go, You're gonna go take your hiatus after WrestleMania,
Speaker 6: and so right after that was You're gone. He's gonna
Speaker 6: be hul Cogan. He's gonna come down with the whole
Speaker 6: Camania shirt and red in the yellow and he's gonna
Speaker 6: come down, it's gonna rip it off. And so I say,
Speaker 6: you know what you're gonna do? Brother, I'm hul Cogan.
Speaker 9: I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna little m I don't know. Can you
Speaker 3: plan a you could you just kind of go step
Speaker 3: by step? Brother? What is it? How are you bookings?
Speaker 3: Need to understand? Like what am I kind of like?
Speaker 3: What am I am? I putting my my my gimmick
Speaker 3: on the line. Dude? Is that what I mean?
Speaker 6: I'm the red and yellow.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 6: You're saying he's gonna have yellow trunks. No, Terry, He's
Speaker 6: gonna have red trunks, red trunks.
Speaker 3: He's going to be brother of the the the the
Speaker 3: other whole Cogan.
Speaker 20: What what.
Speaker 3: What do you mean? What what what other Hull Cogan
Speaker 3: is gonna be the you know whole Cogan number two brother?
Speaker 3: Like Invader number two.
Speaker 6: You know Assassin number two. You know we always wrestling to.
Speaker 3: What do you what do you have there? And they
Speaker 3: get you know, number one number two, you get the
Speaker 3: Mass Superstar number one, you have Mass super Terry.
Speaker 6: Come on, come on, you know Tim Woods, right, mister
Speaker 6: wrestling too in Atlanta?
Speaker 3: What you know what Woods? Dude?
Speaker 6: What a tremendous.
Speaker 3: Mark.
Speaker 6: What I'm trying to say in our business, Terry, there's
Speaker 6: a rich heritage of number twos. We believe in number two,
Speaker 6: no matter where it lands, no matter who's facing. And
Speaker 6: I'll tell you, we believe in number two. And I'm
Speaker 6: a big fan of number two. So we're gonna we're gonna,
Speaker 6: you know, he's so so yes, he'll be hul Cogan
Speaker 6: number two, and then he's gonna become hul Covid number
Speaker 6: one after you're gone. Instead of mister wrestling too, we're
Speaker 6: gonna call him Hulk Hogan number two. Well, mister Hulk
Speaker 6: Hogan two, it's gonna be his name, mister, mister Hulk
Speaker 6: Hogan two. All right, fine, another shirt, mister, and.
Speaker 3: Then and then you come back. But eventually he's going
Speaker 3: to become mister Hulk Hogan one. And then you come
Speaker 3: back and you're mister mister Hulk Covid number two, and
Speaker 3: Rocks are gonna call you Hulk dookie. What's going on, dude,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of are you ribbing me?
Speaker 7: Brother?
Speaker 3: I'm in his I feel like I'm getting April? All right?
Speaker 3: Are we talking double ribs? Dude? Well, brother, I'll just
Speaker 3: what's next the ribs? Dude? Are we there? Are we there? Exactly?
Speaker 6: Are we at the point of double ribs? Are we
Speaker 6: at the point of meta ribs?
Speaker 3: Brother? What's next? Interested we can go out? There's a
Speaker 3: barbecue place where you can go do we can get
Speaker 3: double ribs? If that's what you're feeling, dude, I'm are
Speaker 3: you double ribbing me? Brother?
Speaker 6: What's next? Like Doukie house a m D Brother?
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you want me to fucking doctor? Dude?
Speaker 3: Is that what I'm doctor? Doctor? Doukie? Dude? Well, I mean,
Speaker 3: Terry's not a bad idea, brother, I've.
Speaker 6: Been here a long time.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 6: Made you a lot of money, brother, and you made
Speaker 6: me a lot of money to it. I'm forever appreciative, brother.
Speaker 6: But to have this bullshit of Hulk Hogan number two
Speaker 6: come in, brother, and you're gonna actually call him that?
Speaker 6: I mean this, this dude's big, but he's no Hulk Hogan, brother,
Speaker 6: and he's definitely no hul Hogan number two.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Terry, I mean, how do we know
Speaker 3: he's on a hul COVID?
Speaker 23: What that was?
Speaker 3: Immediate?
Speaker 23: Terry?
Speaker 6: How do we know he's out a hull COVID. What
Speaker 6: let me get a sentence out first, pal, here's a box.
Speaker 3: I'm here, not done speaking, Terry, you just gotta wait till.
Speaker 6: What Look, here's some schematics. We've drown up here, sit
Speaker 6: on a box of wheaties.
Speaker 3: Look what we've done is we've done We've we've kind
Speaker 3: of done a a A A an image alteration and
Speaker 3: we've looked like we've seen what sid you know, mister
Speaker 3: Hulk Hogan too would look like on the cover of
Speaker 3: Sports Illustrated, the same one. Oh yeah, we're gonna put
Speaker 3: this out there. We're gonna, you know, after your take
Speaker 3: your hiatus because of your you know, you're misuse of steroids,
Speaker 3: We're gonna bring in problem and so I'll have a problem, dude.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm what do you mean a problem? I'm dude.
Speaker 3: I've used steroids, brother, but I'm not a steroid abuser dude.
Speaker 6: And we're gonna bring in someone in your stead that
Speaker 6: definitely doesn't use steroids and said.
Speaker 3: Well we know for a fact that terror that that
Speaker 3: that that Terry Too said, Terry Udy, what what you mean,
Speaker 3: Terry Youdy Doe, what's that mean?
Speaker 9: Brother?
Speaker 3: Terry Justice?
Speaker 6: What picture of the has Bro. Okay, the said Justice
Speaker 6: has Bro. But instead of Suggestice Terry Justice, Terrence Justice,
Speaker 6: we're talking Terrence Mania.
Speaker 3: What I love that. I mean, Terrence, where are we going? Dude?
Speaker 3: What's the game plan?
Speaker 6: He starts like just basically reverting to this like game plan,
Speaker 6: game plan, like that's that's that's his emergency button, like
Speaker 6: what he feels under siege, Like what's the plan? What's
Speaker 6: the game plan? Like, I need to see the game plan?
Speaker 24: Brother?
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you know, Terry, you wanted to
Speaker 3: You wanted to go and and and make movies. Brother,
Speaker 3: you told me I couldn't. You said how to get
Speaker 3: off the fucking juice? Dude, Terry, you know you have
Speaker 3: your own problems with drugs. You're a drug addict. Jesus Christ, Vince.
Speaker 6: You you're breaking my heart.
Speaker 3: Brother. Brother, I'm a mean dude. We've we've done ship together. Brother.
Speaker 3: That's how I know, Well, that's how I know you're
Speaker 3: an addict because I know what I have done, and
Speaker 3: I know what I'm capable of, and I know that
Speaker 3: I'm it's impossible for me to be an addict. You
Speaker 3: you are a completely addicted you know drug.
Speaker 6: You can I can I not leave unremarked upon what
Speaker 6: we've just sketched out here. If I'm reading this ride
Speaker 6: the guy we just saw work Teddy b Assi in
Speaker 6: his first w F match, Sid Justice is going to
Speaker 6: go on to the point where Hulk exits stage right
Speaker 6: and he takes the center stage as the new Hulk Hogan,
Speaker 6: and his name is going to be Terrence Justice. He
Speaker 6: changes his name from Sid to Terrence when it's time
Speaker 6: to be the top guy, Terrence Justice.
Speaker 2: He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and m
Speaker 1: JP Sorow.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could do Hulk Justice and that makes
Speaker 3: you feel better?
Speaker 7: Bro?
Speaker 3: What you know?
Speaker 9: I don't.
Speaker 3: Can I talk to him? Brother? Can I talk to
Speaker 3: this Hulk Justice? Dude? Uh no, Terry, that's not really ethical?
Speaker 6: What uh vince?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 3: Sid is on the phone? Shit?
Speaker 25: Uh?
Speaker 6: All right, you know what, Just put him on there,
Speaker 6: put him on speaker. Brother, We're gonna figure this out
Speaker 6: right now.
Speaker 3: You put him on brother. Lets connect this fucking phone call. Dude.
Speaker 3: I want to know what's going on, brother. I mean,
Speaker 3: all right, you know what, if this is the way
Speaker 3: it's going to be, it's the way it's going to
Speaker 3: be all right? Can you can you patch in mister
Speaker 3: mister Hulkgan too, please please Emily, mister McMahon, and also
Speaker 3: take off your brother, Vince, Vince, I just want to
Speaker 3: let you know you're on speakerphone and Terry's here, Hulks
Speaker 3: here as well. Brother.
Speaker 9: What do you?
Speaker 3: Who's this? Dude? Who are you? Dude? You want my spot?
Speaker 8: Brother?
Speaker 3: I talk to my spot. I want to know, dude,
Speaker 3: where's my spot?
Speaker 12: Brother?
Speaker 3: Where did you put my spot? Dude? I had it
Speaker 3: right on me, brother, this whole time, and now you're
Speaker 3: saying I'm getting word that you're taking my spot, but
Speaker 3: you took it, dude? Where are you at? Brother? I
Speaker 3: don't have the authorization to talk to you?
Speaker 6: What what a response?
Speaker 9: I mean?
Speaker 6: You talk about something that's gonna leave Hope just at
Speaker 6: a loss for words.
Speaker 7: What do you what?
Speaker 3: Vince? What was he talking about? Dude? Uh?
Speaker 11: Done?
Speaker 3: Said uh uh? I authorize you to converse with them
Speaker 3: with Terry Beliam huld Cocain number one. Like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: he says.
Speaker 6: Sid, I authorize you to converse with dry book.
Speaker 18: Why is he being so formal?
Speaker 3: What is he reading?
Speaker 6: Like a contract out loud. Basically, what is he doing? Like,
Speaker 6: what does he think what extra protection does he think
Speaker 6: it affords him to say in that moment, Darren Hull
Speaker 6: Coga number one, please meet all Coga number two.
Speaker 3: No, Cogan number one, please meet Hull Coga number two. Converse.
Speaker 3: So I'm authorized. I want to get this straight. So
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you something, Hulk Hogan. I told Vince
Speaker 3: McMahon that I wanted your spot.
Speaker 9: What what.
Speaker 3: Spot are you talking about? Is gonna hit you in
Speaker 3: the head like a spot. I'm gonna hit you in
Speaker 3: the head like a spot. Brother. We're talking about like allgion? Dude?
Speaker 3: What do you mean by spot? Brother? Have I got
Speaker 3: lesion of doom?
Speaker 11: Brother?
Speaker 26: Allegion done? Shot the moon Dog's dude? Right oh now
Speaker 26: talking about brother?
Speaker 3: Told the moon dogs dude, what are you talking about? Brother?
Speaker 6: He's so exasperated, he's so he's so desperate for like clarity.
Speaker 3: Hull Cogan, I having my contract the whole Cogan spot.
Speaker 3: What Vince just looks down, he looks down at something
Speaker 3: on his desk. I am, yeah, I don't know about bust.
Speaker 3: I don't believe in contractual basis of uh employment. What
Speaker 3: I do believe is in his handshakes.
Speaker 6: I don't believe it is a contractual basis of employment.
Speaker 3: I believe in handshakes. And there is no evidence whatsoever
Speaker 3: that I have signed Sid to any contract that he
Speaker 3: is claiming. I have the papers in my hand. I
Speaker 3: have rod here a contract that says I am fulk holding.
Speaker 3: Did you talk to Marvel first? Brother? Wait a minute,
Speaker 3: what what is he talking about? Brother?
Speaker 11: What was he saying?
Speaker 3: Dude? I can't hear him, brother.
Speaker 6: I have gone on to the trouble of shaving my
Speaker 6: head up to the back of my hairline.
Speaker 3: I have a fu Manchu well, I mean sid Olk two.
Speaker 3: We didn't talk about that. We didn't talk about the
Speaker 3: facial features of them. Of mister Hogan one, hold on,
Speaker 3: hold on.
Speaker 6: So with his months before he comes in, Sid gets
Speaker 6: agreement across the table across the desk from Vince that
Speaker 6: he's got Hogan spot if he just signs, he signs
Speaker 6: and he has a report back date. Okay, because like,
Speaker 6: let's say there's something contractual at WCW where he has
Speaker 6: to wait it out. Four months later, they finally set
Speaker 6: the appointment to sit down and talk about his future.
Speaker 6: What shape it's going to take and sid youuty, picture
Speaker 6: him shows up at Titan Towers with his hair shaved,
Speaker 6: bald up the middle, and just a ring of hair
Speaker 6: around his head just like Hogan and a fou manchee mustache. Cidyuty,
Speaker 6: I thought it was gonna be all coke.
Speaker 3: Oh what's this power? I told you what I told you.
Speaker 3: I wanted the Hull COVID spot.
Speaker 6: Okay, get to work, photoshoppers, you know what to do.
Speaker 6: He shows up with a fu Manchu.
Speaker 3: Just imagined. Also imagine too. It's not like he's got
Speaker 3: Hulk Cogan's hair. He's got the curly hairs. All right,
Speaker 3: you got the curly hair.
Speaker 11: But in that.
Speaker 3: Well, this is not exactly what I had planned when
Speaker 3: I offered you or gave you the Hulkogen spot. Potentially
Speaker 3: if things turned out that way, and you know, everything
Speaker 3: worked out in your favor. But uh, this is certainly
Speaker 3: a development that we will take under consideration, and we
Speaker 3: will h Yeah. When Vince doesn't like the look, he
Speaker 3: says things like this is certainly a development that we
Speaker 3: will take under consideration. That's when you know you fucked up.
Speaker 8: He said, my church a case of Vina sausages. And
Speaker 8: I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 3: I want you to do me a favor right now, okay,
Speaker 3: I want you send I want you to send a
Speaker 3: garden a the Ana sausages to all cod sid I listen, pal,
Speaker 3: I do a. I think that's a very generous gesture.
Speaker 3: I don't think you understand how hull Cogan is going
Speaker 3: to take that. I don't dare. I want him to
Speaker 3: know that I have his spot and he has.
Speaker 6: By the way, what he's saying all this, he has
Speaker 6: his head shaved, almost bald, and he's a food man
Speaker 6: chew mustache.
Speaker 3: I can't let that not I see. And you think
Speaker 3: that is going to be accomplished with you with me
Speaker 3: sending hull Cogan a box of Vienna sausages. I do
Speaker 3: be sausages say a lot. I believe they do. I
Speaker 3: believe they do. Well, let's tell you what. Let's not
Speaker 3: waste another moment. Let's uh have you down in the
Speaker 3: studio and we'll take some photographs, some promotional photographs.
Speaker 11: Is with.
Speaker 3: Mister, what do you what do you uh? What do
Speaker 3: you want to call yourself? Hulk Justice? Ulk Justice? There
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 6: I look ten years on man, well, I love it
Speaker 6: when Vince feels like he's in the alpha position, and
Speaker 6: it makes people feel like nothing. I equally adore when
Speaker 6: Vince is actually worried that this guy might actually shoot
Speaker 6: this office up and he starts dealing with him with
Speaker 6: that that reticence in his voice. Oh my god, is
Speaker 6: that depth? Is that depth?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 3: When? When? When when vincick Man is not the craziest
Speaker 3: person in the room, you know that there is an issue. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's tell you what, why don't you why don't you,
Speaker 3: uh you take a break for a moment and we'll
Speaker 3: be with you and we'll take some promotional photos with
Speaker 3: Hulk Justice. This is great, This is great stuff. Pal,
Speaker 3: Can we get him uh down in wardrobe or something? Great? Better? Say,
Speaker 3: what the fuck are we going to do with this guy?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 3: How do you?
Speaker 6: Already wanted some sausages and I wanted to listen.
Speaker 3: No, you can go to Vienna on your own time.
Speaker 3: What we have here is we have a problem. He
Speaker 3: wants to be Hult Justice Hulk Justice. How fucking stupid
Speaker 3: is that? I mean, what do we do with that?
Speaker 3: He's not even taking like maybe if he was Sid Hogan,
Speaker 3: that's something we could work with the old Cogan's brother,
Speaker 3: Hoult Justice makes no fucking sense. Who is this fucking guy?
Speaker 6: I don't know, but you hired him?
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't hire him. I don't even talk
Speaker 3: to this guy.
Speaker 9: Who is he?
Speaker 3: He just came into my office, heying, he's Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 6: What appoignant question for you to ask at this point
Speaker 6: of the show, Boss, who is this guy? Well, if
Speaker 6: you pull up in the video link that I just
Speaker 6: sent you, we're gonna get acquainted.
Speaker 3: Oh boy.
Speaker 6: This is a little more of the aforementioned vignettes of
Speaker 6: you know, Sid's coming and different wrestlers on the roster
Speaker 6: speaking to it, and then that transition into him being
Speaker 6: announced as the special Enforcer for the Summer Slam nineteen
Speaker 6: ninety one match. We're HULLL Cogan and the Ultimate Warrior
Speaker 6: team up against Sargent Slaughter, General Adnon and Colonel Mustafa
Speaker 6: and three on two Matchmaide in Hell. Right on the
Speaker 6: other side of the match Made in Heaven the Randy
Speaker 6: Savage Elizabeth wedding, which is the other I guess you
Speaker 6: could say, main event of that landmark show both for
Speaker 6: US and for the WWF at Madison Square Garden and
Speaker 6: so We're going to become acquainted with how Sid goes
Speaker 6: from this man of tremendous mystery and mystique on WWF
Speaker 6: television to the man who will insure justice in this
Speaker 6: heated clash between superheroes hul Coke and the Warrior versus
Speaker 6: the Saddam Hussein sympathizers at SummerSlam. So if you're cute,
Speaker 6: that is it I watched in the beginning. Yeah, we're
Speaker 6: taking this all the way through.
Speaker 3: Hold on, I gotta ad here and then.
Speaker 6: Absolutely so a lot of coloring in here to do
Speaker 6: on Sid's nineteen ninety one ww frun. It's all about
Speaker 6: this run.
Speaker 3: So here we go.
Speaker 6: Three yep, two one. He's so scary, he's got his teeth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, clenched.
Speaker 7: Take you from Winston and me, Sid Justice as the
Speaker 7: size and the strength to become a top dog.
Speaker 14: Right here in the World Wrestling Federation, British bulldog.
Speaker 12: You and that Mangie Mutt Winston, do you think that
Speaker 12: Sid Justice has all the qualifications of being the top.
Speaker 7: Dog in the World Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 7: I know what road he's taking and it's going to
Speaker 7: be a surprise to you.
Speaker 2: You know, mister Perfect that said Justice is a god.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's big, he's strong, and he looks straight.
Speaker 19: Kind of reminds me of myself.
Speaker 16: Yeah, hey, Mester Perfect, even though I hate doing a minute,
Speaker 16: you're halfway right, said Justice.
Speaker 18: That's a big, strong and tough man. But he's also
Speaker 18: hat saw Jim Duggett's kind of guy. Oh I don't
Speaker 18: think you said, Oh No, said Justice.
Speaker 7: He's big, he looks tough, he looks like he's done
Speaker 7: the kick it hold on of button.
Speaker 3: That's a matter of fact. He kind of reminds me
Speaker 3: of us.
Speaker 18: Rush said Justice. We've got one opening left the other
Speaker 18: hard organization.
Speaker 7: And you fight even by oh you gotta be Is
Speaker 7: that nasty as a what a?
Speaker 18: Oh?
Speaker 3: Hey folks, Oh, Hack sage and dugging.
Speaker 7: I've been checking out this, said Justice, just like everybody else.
Speaker 3: And there's two things I admire about him.
Speaker 7: He's a tough guy, he's an American, and just like
Speaker 7: Hack sage and Dugging, he stands for the good old USA.
Speaker 3: Behind that's right. Duggan, forking about.
Speaker 7: The USA stuff, said Justice is one of us.
Speaker 2: That he's right, he's big, he's that's right to food.
Speaker 2: He's big and he's made judging.
Speaker 6: Its menacing pos a size and power.
Speaker 7: I said, Justice, he could easily becoming on the one
Speaker 7: of us, but not your disaster, can.
Speaker 14: You that's a disasters version call him? Said Justice, a volcano?
Speaker 14: Got her all wrong, man, because any.
Speaker 3: Kind I used volcano in the natural disasters earthquakes, said
Speaker 3: here's a volcano, but real good, real brother, And what
Speaker 3: the fuck a referee? What the fuck is wearing?
Speaker 21: Doesn't get just hope he isn't buy a to fire
Speaker 21: because he could beat a perspectim what you got under.
Speaker 10: You don't need the likes of hor Rod Roddy Roddy
Speaker 10: Piper and I R S.
Speaker 1: Said Justice, six foot down, three.
Speaker 7: Hundred and seventeen pounds.
Speaker 3: I don't know the guy.
Speaker 19: I don't know if he is I don't know if
Speaker 19: he isn't, but I'm dying.
Speaker 3: That's see, Sid, Justice, You're.
Speaker 17: Just the man I've been looking for. With your size
Speaker 17: and intensity, you're a prime candidate for my cheap tax collector.
Speaker 7: And you know what that means, you tax cheats out
Speaker 7: there wouldn't be able.
Speaker 6: To cheat one more game, lover flab Now the arena
Speaker 6: promos for summer, said man, Man, is.
Speaker 3: That I don't chair.
Speaker 21: Prod you that got Toddy may best still guest referee
Speaker 21: makes don't get friends too off.
Speaker 12: Wait a minute, do I understand you to say it
Speaker 12: does not make any difference who the special guest.
Speaker 6: Referee at that one Slaughter.
Speaker 3: That's what he just said.
Speaker 12: Soever, Well, would you like to meet that special guest.
Speaker 21: Referee file me, I want to meet that special referee
Speaker 21: for supper slam the batch made of hem.
Speaker 12: Here is special guest referee for the handicapped tag suit.
Speaker 19: Justice.
Speaker 18: Wow, that turn of hod come you are turning up?
Speaker 3: Are you ready?
Speaker 18: Task?
Speaker 3: For him to say these shows that he didn't Wait
Speaker 3: a minute, these guys are.
Speaker 18: I guess we don't know shit. Justice stands in this
Speaker 18: whole day presenting arms to suit.
Speaker 8: Justice jump to the.
Speaker 6: Car ship, all right, welcome to the core. He thinks
Speaker 6: he's on his side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, se what sid has to say?
Speaker 27: Well, come just sagainst Slaughters for said justin.
Speaker 3: That the for your door, big pop, that's a that's
Speaker 3: a that's a signal, and I've never heard of one.
Speaker 6: I'm sure we'll get the sizes differ. Sure, this old
Speaker 6: w stubby traveling battery. He went to all three and
Speaker 6: said he's not parts of their cores. A nice short promo.
Speaker 6: He always thrived with those nothing complicated. Yeah yeah, let's yep.
Speaker 6: D On Hogan and Warrior.
Speaker 3: Here with Jim Most said, it's going to face off
Speaker 3: for the other half. There we go Blue.
Speaker 6: No, he is soaking up.
Speaker 3: Listening, going to be favoring something liquid pouring off his chin.
Speaker 3: Put that star power. Look at that?
Speaker 6: Don't they look amazing?
Speaker 3: Guys, Jesus Christ, what a tree.
Speaker 6: So Vince thought he was getting an international incident.
Speaker 11: R book by Justice.
Speaker 19: I recall recently.
Speaker 6: Hear before he shrunked Cottius Good.
Speaker 12: Flutter in company, and they tried to persuade.
Speaker 3: You the studio.
Speaker 6: By the way, in the YouTube account of Louke Gregory
Speaker 6: shout out to him for.
Speaker 12: This compilation of destruction general, it's entitled said Justice and
Speaker 12: Sorry Flutter tv W definition view. The conclusion of that interview,
Speaker 12: you emphatically line that you would have any association with
Speaker 12: Sage and Slaughters for of destruction.
Speaker 18: However, back to the hardcare, Yep, this may not be
Speaker 18: a handicap.
Speaker 3: He didn't even blocking gene like.
Speaker 6: Man, this little man's a big one for him.
Speaker 3: Yes, that might be more so, Man, do I might believe.
Speaker 6: Brother, Yeah, I'm not not.
Speaker 18: Savage al those at the same level he said justice.
Speaker 6: More your face, talking about.
Speaker 18: Intense everybody, give me a shirt of one.
Speaker 6: Spitting water flying off his head.
Speaker 7: I would be there for one reason that one't reason.
Speaker 7: Only just see said justice and sire.
Speaker 28: Will be served, but just time will justice be served?
Speaker 18: WHOA, I don't know little lou either.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what I'm looking at. So Little
Speaker 3: JP watching that would have been sufficiently Yes, I would
Speaker 3: have been I would have been nervous. I would have
Speaker 3: been nervous.
Speaker 6: About what side he was going to come down on.
Speaker 3: Yes, because he didn't say he was al Kamaniac, But
Speaker 3: he also didn't say he was Sergeant Slaughter's uh, you
Speaker 3: know private there and.
Speaker 6: If you watch it when he's a dressing hogan there
Speaker 6: in that moment, he's right up in his face.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but both I and Warrior, he's like, you know,
Speaker 3: getting right in their face.
Speaker 6: So that is the build to SummerSlam and how SID
Speaker 6: was framed. Of course, we know it went down August
Speaker 6: twenty sixth, nineteen ninety one, and it's the night where
Speaker 6: Vince Fire's Warrior the second he runs through the curtain
Speaker 6: for trying to invince his terms hold him up for
Speaker 6: more money at the last minute. It had been a
Speaker 6: tumultuous nineteen ninety one for Warrior and the ww front office.
Speaker 6: We know this because years later he would sue the
Speaker 6: company and all kinds of memos back and forth between
Speaker 6: the two became public record, and so that was kind
Speaker 6: of why we chose remember of Summer Slam ninety one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was a bunch of stuff that we could
Speaker 6: say about, like what the payouts were on the show
Speaker 6: and all the stuff that had come out from that lawsuit.
Speaker 6: That it was kind of a struck us as something
Speaker 6: we could, you know, say more about than just the
Speaker 6: results of the show before we realized the level of
Speaker 6: expectation and appetite out there for the deep dive research.
Speaker 6: So that's the Warrior side of the story, and it's
Speaker 6: an important side of the story because it's Warrior's departure
Speaker 6: that leads to a to hear SID put it kind
Speaker 6: of an acceleration of the plans to get SID on
Speaker 6: the road because with Warrior gone, all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: there's a smoke and hole in the house. Show circuit
Speaker 6: isn't there, Yeah, for sure. So for a guy who
Speaker 6: was brought in under the auspices of working only TVs
Speaker 6: and pay per views until he became the man. And
Speaker 6: at WrestleMania, we get on the road, all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: this blow up with Warrior happens and bulp, Pal, you know,
Speaker 6: plans change, you know.
Speaker 3: What, you know, we're just kind of in a unique
Speaker 3: situation and we need you know, we need things done
Speaker 3: away that will allow us to to further are the
Speaker 3: entertainment factor of our programming.
Speaker 6: Okay, whatever that means.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Well, I mean, sid, I
Speaker 3: don't mean to you know, you gotta you gotta go
Speaker 3: on the road, Pal, just no other way to to
Speaker 3: say it. You gotta go on the road.
Speaker 6: What Asia, that's Vinces, That's Vince's way.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: He's like he gets you on the hook and all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, unforeseen circumstances and he's going back on
Speaker 6: your original conception of how this is going to work. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and it's like he needs you know, he needs It's
Speaker 6: not all he needs a favor. It's almost like like
Speaker 6: you should know that that's how it works here, and
Speaker 6: if you don't, you're being unprofessional. Right, because we're the
Speaker 6: We're the premier organization for a reason, and that's one
Speaker 6: thing Sid is. He talks about it a lot, and
Speaker 6: his shoot interview is blown away by how full these
Speaker 6: buildings are relative to what he was used to in
Speaker 6: Jim Hurd's w c W, which makes all the sense
Speaker 6: in the world, let alone before he walks out at
Speaker 6: the Hoosier Dome, a packed stadium scale show the likes
Speaker 6: of which he'd never seen before, and so he's he's
Speaker 6: taken with WWF as an organization in terms of how
Speaker 6: professionalized they are. When he goes back to WCW after
Speaker 6: this run, one of the things that he does, which
Speaker 6: I think he starts to kind of piss people off,
Speaker 6: and we'll hear it in the Squeegee story coming up
Speaker 6: real soon. He's constantly singing the praises of how professionalized
Speaker 6: WWF is. He's seeing a different side of how to
Speaker 6: run a wrestling company than what he came up in
Speaker 6: in WCW, and there's a lot of things that he
Speaker 6: thinks really need to be imported and instilled in WCWWWF
Speaker 6: was doing. So it's not like he's entirely disillusioned by
Speaker 6: the situation. But Sid is definitely starting to feel like
Speaker 6: promisers are being gone back on after just about a
Speaker 6: month on television in the company because now Warrior is
Speaker 6: gone and we need to accelerate the Sid Justice as
Speaker 6: number two babyface and when Hogan departs number one babyface position.
Speaker 6: Take a look at this. This appeared in the pages
Speaker 6: of a Pro Wrestling Illustrated Boss and we'll explain it
Speaker 6: to the people for their benefit. But doesn't this say
Speaker 6: it all?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 3: We get it here? Whoa Sid Justice? There?
Speaker 6: It is the second coming of Hult Cogan double truck
Speaker 6: feature in p W I.
Speaker 3: What's going on here?
Speaker 6: And that is deeply concerning.
Speaker 3: I'm looking, I'm looking at fucking uh after dude, then
Speaker 3: the second old Hogan. Wait in the second hold? What
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 6: That is the headline?
Speaker 3: That is the headline.
Speaker 6: In classic p WI fashion, they're showing pictures from w
Speaker 6: CW YEP because they always went out of their way
Speaker 6: to remind you that, like they were following wrestlers before
Speaker 6: Vince made them national stars and changed their nights right,
Speaker 6: like they would call mister perfect card heading even after
Speaker 6: he came to WWF every single time on every reference
Speaker 6: in the magazine, and so yeah, this is like happening
Speaker 6: a lot sooner, I think than they had drawn up
Speaker 6: in terms of when he's first sitting down with Sid.
Speaker 6: Vince McMahon, I don't think he's planning on Warrior being
Speaker 6: gone by the end of the summer and all the
Speaker 6: ramifications that has for the card. So here's Sid in
Speaker 6: a shoot interview talking with Sean Mooney actually about what
Speaker 6: happens at the end of Summer Slam. What happens, boss
Speaker 6: is after Hogan and Warrior vanquish Sergeant's Laughter and company.
Speaker 6: We know, Warrior disappears chasing Adnon with a steel chair
Speaker 6: through the curtain. We never see him again at least
Speaker 6: yes run and he's hardly ever mentioned. But in the
Speaker 6: ring afterwards, after helping, you know, instill truth justice in
Speaker 6: the American way, what a Sid and Hulk do They
Speaker 6: pose down in the middle of the ring together, and
Speaker 6: that's supposed to be really substantial. That's supposed to apparently
Speaker 6: get us to think of Sid as somebody that is
Speaker 6: tantamount to Hulk Cogan. And here he is talking to
Speaker 6: Sean Mooney about his conception of what happened that night
Speaker 6: in MSG.
Speaker 8: He said this is what we're going to do with you.
Speaker 8: We're going to just You're just going to do TVs
Speaker 8: and pay per views for one year, no house shows,
Speaker 8: and after WrestleMania you going to start your first house show.
Speaker 8: He said, We've never done this with anyone. So I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 8: how on the fuck am I going to get paid
Speaker 8: for one year? If you don't give me money, He said, well,
Speaker 8: we're going to take care of you. I said, oh shit,
Speaker 8: you know, so that was, you know, a big chance
Speaker 8: I took.
Speaker 11: But what happened.
Speaker 8: What happened was the Ultimate Warriors started demanding more money
Speaker 8: and then they fired him at SummerSlam, and it was
Speaker 8: set up right since he walked to the curtains they
Speaker 8: fired him, and then this is their idea of this
Speaker 8: was their version of Hogan passing the torch. He did
Speaker 8: the pose down with me, which is the stupidest fucking
Speaker 8: thing I've ever heard of my fucking life. That that
Speaker 8: was the big goddamn deal. And if you think that's
Speaker 8: a big deal, you're as stupid as the rest of them.
Speaker 8: So anyway, that's how it happened. So I was pierced
Speaker 8: from that moment on and I didn't want to be
Speaker 8: there anymore.
Speaker 1: He's a last fan wrestling podcast. He's fan wrestling podcast
Speaker 1: with Jack and.
Speaker 6: Wow, that's what they doing. Warrior comes out of Wrestling
Speaker 6: eighty too. He poses down with Hogan at the end
Speaker 6: of the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the thing that that shows you're you're
Speaker 3: an ally of hul Cogan. That events really means something.
Speaker 3: He thinks that people are going to see you as
Speaker 3: a main inventor after you pose of course that's the rub.
Speaker 3: But the way Sid does it, he's so awkward that
Speaker 3: it almost is like a comedy idiot. Oh, it's almost
Speaker 3: like a comedy routine. At the end of Summer Slam,
Speaker 3: it's almost like Hogan has a whole back laughter while
Speaker 3: Sid makes a mockery this pose down and his refererational thinking. Dude,
Speaker 3: here's your don't thinking, brother, what if dude? What if?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna do this pose down? I'm not
Speaker 3: a fit of that. I'm not obligated to pose down, brother, Dude. Listen,
Speaker 3: Sady's some dude. I dig that. Brother. I'm all about,
Speaker 3: you know. If I don't do creative, dude, I'm all about,
Speaker 3: you know, taking things that next level. Brother. I get it, dude,
Speaker 3: and I want to take Sid Justice's that level. So
Speaker 3: what I'm thinking, dude is, you know what if brother,
Speaker 3: we kind of portrayed this kind of maybe a mentor
Speaker 3: mentee kind of thing. Dude, what do you mean, well,
Speaker 3: I want to give you the rub. Brother, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're gonna be the next hult Cogan, I want
Speaker 3: to give you the rub. M What does that look like?
Speaker 3: What does the rub look like to you?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 3: Do what I'm thinking to what if we come down?
Speaker 3: What if I have you come down dude? After the
Speaker 3: match made in hell? Brother, and you when I do
Speaker 3: a pose down kind of like showing hey, you know
Speaker 3: what we got here we go, we got we got
Speaker 3: hull Cogan, we got the new hul Cogan. You know, brother,
Speaker 3: see the album? Thinking that dude. Mm hmm, I see
Speaker 3: where you're going. I understand that that is not beyond
Speaker 3: my intelligence. Dude, I'm I dig that, brother. So but
Speaker 3: but but kind of like we want to kind of
Speaker 3: talk long game, right, you know, we're not talking about hey,
Speaker 3: you know, you know just the payoffs, dude. Is not
Speaker 3: like at the very beginning, we gotta have the payoff
Speaker 3: be as we go down the line. So what I'm
Speaker 3: thinking about, dude, is what if you know, like you know,
Speaker 3: I'm in there alone, I'm posing down brother, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know what, we need to have Sid just in
Speaker 3: this ring right now, Dude. We need Sid here right now, brother.
Speaker 3: And so I kind of call you in. I say, Sid,
Speaker 3: come on, dude, let's go brother, come on down, And
Speaker 3: I think what you should do because again I think, like,
Speaker 3: you know, we're talking to having this kind of mentor
Speaker 3: mentee relationship. Dude, you kind of just peek your head
Speaker 3: out brother, and I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 6: What what do you Oh, that's right, he peeks his
Speaker 6: head to the curtain. I forget about that, which makes
Speaker 6: it all comedy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like kind of like peek out there, dude,
Speaker 3: and like, say, did I hear my name? Cause I
Speaker 3: think that people will kind of yeah, Sid, Sid, Dude,
Speaker 3: come on out with Hull Coagan. You know you guys
Speaker 3: are best friends now, brother, and so you come out, dude,
Speaker 3: and then we start posing. But you know what, I think,
Speaker 3: kind of differentiate dude and kind of show that that
Speaker 3: that you need just a little bit more to kind
Speaker 3: of get to that next level. Working with Hul Cogan
Speaker 3: is that you don't pose perfect dude, right what if
Speaker 3: you kind of look like, you know, like you're a
Speaker 3: little off, a.
Speaker 6: Little awkward about it, dude, like you're getting your sea
Speaker 6: legs from under you like your abyss and TNA taking
Speaker 6: my ring?
Speaker 3: Are you calling me awkward? No, dude, Brother, do not.
Speaker 3: I'm not calling you awkward. Dude. What I'm saying is, dude,
Speaker 3: why don't you maybe you can act awkward? Because I
Speaker 3: get it, Dude, You're like, you're a pro and you
Speaker 3: gotta you got a physique, dude that goes fucking miles. Brother,
Speaker 3: you know we're talking. You know, dude, you got the look, dude.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is, why don't you act like
Speaker 3: you know what you know? Or even better? Brother, play
Speaker 3: with this dude. What if you're like, you know what
Speaker 3: this Hule Cogan guy, I'm gonna say, Brother, you know
Speaker 3: I'm with him in the ring. Dude, he's kind of
Speaker 3: getting old right now, dude, you know where you know
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, I don't want to take away
Speaker 3: his thunder. You know, like you're you're doing me a
Speaker 3: favor brother by not out showing me. See do you
Speaker 3: see I'm getting there, dude. So like I'm trying to
Speaker 3: just pose down with the fans, and you're like, you
Speaker 3: know what, I can outpose Hulk Hogan any day of
Speaker 3: the week and twice on Sunday, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: do that here because I want Hulk Hogan. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to embarrass him, brother, and show him
Speaker 3: what a you know, what a weak dute is, because
Speaker 3: you don't even know how to fucking pose. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, brother, Brother, I want you to go
Speaker 3: to the top, dude. But if you if if the
Speaker 3: fans get the message that you're trying to show me up, brother,
Speaker 3: they're never gonna support you, dude. And I just you
Speaker 3: need to be a babyface. Brother. We gotta kind of
Speaker 3: push that angle as far as we can. So you
Speaker 3: want to help me. Just all want to do, dude,
Speaker 3: all want to do is help you. And I think
Speaker 3: that if you kind of come out there and and
Speaker 3: just kind of like say, hey, you know what, this
Speaker 3: this guy, you know, Grandpa Hogan out here, brother, you know,
Speaker 3: he's just you know, I don't want to make him
Speaker 3: look bad. So I'm just gonna kind of do things
Speaker 3: my way. A little bit. I think that's gonna go
Speaker 3: a long way with the fans, dude, and showing that,
Speaker 3: you know what, respect whole Camania, Dude, Sid respects Hull
Speaker 3: Camania and maybe brother, maybe down the line, we're talking
Speaker 3: sid Mania. Whoa you know dude, sid Mania? Yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: sid Mania like on T shirts. Dude, brother, you know
Speaker 3: what dude?
Speaker 11: You know what.
Speaker 3: The future, dude is is unwritten? Brother, who knows? Dude? Right?
Speaker 3: Do you want me to go out there and look
Speaker 3: like a fool so that I can have sid Mania
Speaker 3: down the line. That's what I'm saying. Dude, you kind
Speaker 3: of look like a little, you know, a little less
Speaker 3: than here and then sid Many is in your future, Dude.
Speaker 3: I feel obligated to do that.
Speaker 6: Brother, say less, dude. And so they go to the
Speaker 6: ring and it shall be done, and comically, Sid pokes
Speaker 6: his head through the curtain, takes center stage with the Hulkster,
Speaker 6: poses like a moron, and somehow that makes him the
Speaker 6: next top babyface. Of course, Sid sees it for what
Speaker 6: it is, especially in retrospect, as you just heard in
Speaker 6: that clip, but they're laying it on thick even after SummerSlam.
Speaker 6: This clip is from an episode of Superstars, where Vince
Speaker 6: McMahon himself spares no hyperbole and framing Sid as the
Speaker 6: guy you're supposed to care about.
Speaker 28: Now listen to this, ah the I have never seen
Speaker 28: Sid Justice wrestle before.
Speaker 3: Do you know that I've never had the pleasure to
Speaker 3: be in.
Speaker 2: The same arena?
Speaker 3: What Vince, it's got the music now?
Speaker 2: Yes, even did sucker?
Speaker 3: Where did you see it? Looking?
Speaker 2: Is that's something about a power bomb?
Speaker 4: We're gonna ask into the ring air set up for next.
Speaker 3: Job or Vince calls out the ovations.
Speaker 28: Talk about an overnight success, all about how overnight it is.
Speaker 2: This man's gonna be caring about her. Go if the
Speaker 2: march O man he was unable to return to urging.
Speaker 21: As we have been notified he is.
Speaker 17: This is the man.
Speaker 2: Hopefully we will see that justice will be served as
Speaker 2: it relates to Jack.
Speaker 3: Just think Roberts and the younger two can.
Speaker 9: Right about this?
Speaker 3: Check?
Speaker 19: Is this the power bulls?
Speaker 3: A power.
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 3: You didn't fall with it?
Speaker 11: Yes?
Speaker 3: Really, you're gonna count it to ten?
Speaker 18: Everybody fell, all they lives.
Speaker 3: I'm only going to get to.
Speaker 6: A version like emphasizing the ovation. Yeah, trust that he's part.
Speaker 28: I got you play look at this here, hurry and
Speaker 28: my dog and Wanda had clean up.
Speaker 3: Talking about two hundred I thoty.
Speaker 19: Five has the power pot.
Speaker 16: Turn us?
Speaker 3: So rust us what carri us I mean.
Speaker 6: Saying like that if Macha Van isn't here, he's the man.
Speaker 6: He's clearing the banner here.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 6: Because the thing, presumably they moved up quite a bit too,
Speaker 6: was Sid getting involved in the the wedding stuff afterwards,
Speaker 6: realizing that you know, Warrior wasn't going to be there,
Speaker 6: they had to transition. Said, I mean maybe he would
Speaker 6: have got involved in the wedding angle either way, even
Speaker 6: if Warrior didn't disappear. Yeah, and the Jake program wouldn't
Speaker 6: have happened. But the way they're talking about him now,
Speaker 6: it's like he's he's a filling for Savage and uh
Speaker 6: and it's all upside from here for one Sid and
Speaker 6: he's coming to the ultimate rescue. So Sid and Jake
Speaker 6: start working each other, and the house shows. The house
Speaker 6: shows that you know, Vince said Sid wouldn't work in
Speaker 6: his first year in the company. Yes, And on an
Speaker 6: episode of the DDP Snake Pit podcast that Jake Roberts
Speaker 6: has done, he once talked about in an anonymized way
Speaker 6: an opponent he faced that I think just just absolutely
Speaker 6: has to be Sid. There's no ways talking about anybody else.
Speaker 6: And this gives us a little glimpse into how Sid
Speaker 6: ran into his first sort of a political frick in
Speaker 6: the World Wrestling Federation visa VI the Snake Man. If
Speaker 6: you can read this quote here from the podcast that
Speaker 6: Jake did about.
Speaker 3: It, mmmm, this is unintentionally. I I had an incident
Speaker 3: where a guy was giving me a clothesline every night
Speaker 3: and it was freaking ripping my head off.
Speaker 6: He saw those clothes lines there against tibias, they do
Speaker 6: fly loose, yep.
Speaker 3: And I was recovering from having next surgery. And in wrestling,
Speaker 3: you can make it look like you tore the guy's
Speaker 3: head off, or you can tear the guy's head off,
Speaker 3: and of course making it look like it is much
Speaker 3: better because then the guy can sell it properly. When
Speaker 3: you tear somebody's head off, there's no selling it. Man,
Speaker 3: You get what you got. And I went to the
Speaker 3: guy and called him out. You know, hey, dude, you're
Speaker 3: killing me.
Speaker 18: What the hell?
Speaker 3: And he looked at me and said, well, maybe it's
Speaker 3: time you get out of the ring. That's a sad
Speaker 3: thing to say.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's he always put his foot in his
Speaker 6: mouth that way, or if anybody challenged him or critiqued
Speaker 6: him or came at him, he'd always had this snippy
Speaker 6: response that like created all kinds of problems for him.
Speaker 3: Maybe you're a fucking idiot, right, Like, I mean.
Speaker 6: Why did this the Arnt Anderson stabbing thing happens because
Speaker 6: he shot off of the mouth about Flair being too old.
Speaker 6: I mean, he shouldn't be in.
Speaker 3: There, you know. So the next time we wrestled, he
Speaker 3: closed on me, and I did a little maneuver and
Speaker 3: snapped his bicep in half with intent, and he went down.
Speaker 3: He was grabbing his arm. The bicep rolled up on
Speaker 3: his shoulder. Oh my god.
Speaker 6: So I don't believe Jake for a second that he
Speaker 6: did it on purpose. I'm not sure how you tear
Speaker 6: someone's bicep on purpose, but I know, and how.
Speaker 3: It seems like it was this little simple, That it's
Speaker 3: this simple to tear a bicep. That's pretty horror full.
Speaker 6: I think the UFC guys would use it all the
Speaker 6: time if there were such a thing as the bicep
Speaker 6: to yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly, like you could just fucking you know. But and
Speaker 3: he went down and he was grabbing his arm. The
Speaker 3: bicep rolled up on his shoulder. It looked pretty awesome.
Speaker 3: And he's screaming to ring the bell. And I jumped
Speaker 3: on top of him and grabbed the bicep and just
Speaker 3: started squeezing. And I was pissed, and I told him
Speaker 3: maybe it was time for him to get out of
Speaker 3: the damn Ringow not proud of it. It seems like
Speaker 3: you're proud of it. Actually, like you're pretty damn proud
Speaker 3: of it. I do need to apologize to him, face him.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to call his name out. We all
Speaker 3: know him. But he did what he did, and I
Speaker 3: did what I did. And he had six months off?
Speaker 6: Wow, he sure did. In a shooting interview talking about.
Speaker 3: That's how is that possible? How's what possible? How did
Speaker 3: he have six months?
Speaker 6: Jake is not going to take the time to calculate
Speaker 6: exactly how many months it was, Like no one ever had.
Speaker 3: You know, if summersion happened in August, he doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: He's back in the ring in in January, and I
Speaker 3: I'd have to think that Jake cost himself some Survivor
Speaker 3: series money. I mean, I know he still was on
Speaker 3: the card, but you can tell just from that magazine
Speaker 3: article that Sid versus Jake I think would have been
Speaker 3: seen in a more premium spot on the on the show, well,
Speaker 3: it was going to be the main event still, I
Speaker 3: think it was going to be. It was going to
Speaker 3: be Sid and his team versus Jake and his team
Speaker 3: as the main event. I mean, that match was the
Speaker 3: main event anyway, without Hogan and Taker. Hogan Taker was
Speaker 3: not on the main event of the show. It was
Speaker 3: middle It was middle of the show. God, God, it
Speaker 3: was the main event of boss Man and boss Man,
Speaker 3: a llegiing to Doom versus natural disasters and.
Speaker 6: Facking hell Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: That was That was it. He was supposed to be.
Speaker 3: That was supposed to sit the main event is fucking
Speaker 3: first in ring pay per view.
Speaker 6: That's so wild, yep. Sid saying in a shoot interview
Speaker 6: after that or no before that, actually, but about the
Speaker 6: same circumstance. I've never stooged done anybody. I can't stooge anybody.
Speaker 6: I can't kiss anybody's ass. I can be your friend,
Speaker 6: but I can never kiss your ass. That's what I've
Speaker 6: told everybody in the business. And Jake was the first
Speaker 6: one that fucking got me in some trouble up there.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you know what I said or done.
Speaker 6: Vince called and got on to me, but you can't
Speaker 6: utter a fucking word out there, and then it gets
Speaker 6: magnified words like i'd imagine, boss, maybe you should get out.
Speaker 3: Of the ring. Yeah, to Jake Roberts, Yeah, probably not
Speaker 3: a good idea, Pal, So that was weird.
Speaker 6: I didn't really like that part of it, Sid, Sid.
Speaker 6: So now he's shelved to heal the bicip injury. He's
Speaker 6: still on the road because you know, bicep terror isn't
Speaker 6: like disqualifying as far as flying in things. But he's
Speaker 6: not working in the ring. But he's still making towns.
Speaker 6: And as luck would have it, or as perhaps the
Speaker 6: opposite of luck would have it, in Greensboro, North Carolina,
Speaker 6: the WWF and WCW crews crossed paths which would happen
Speaker 6: sometimes on the road, and the boys would interact. It
Speaker 6: wasn't like, you know, there was a fucking you know,
Speaker 6: some kind of moratorium or some kind of rule where
Speaker 6: you couldn't you know, meet with the WCW guys in
Speaker 6: a bar somewhere. There's a famous picture from the Attitude
Speaker 6: era where the warring companies were in across each other,
Speaker 6: and you got like Hogan and Hollywood clothes and Steve
Speaker 6: Austin in the same picture and Big show before he
Speaker 6: came over to WWF in the picture, and you know
Speaker 6: this happens.
Speaker 3: But Sid is. Sid's head is big.
Speaker 6: Sid is seeing big crowds, he's seeing high end production.
Speaker 6: He's rubbing shoulders with Hulk Hogan, the biggest star in
Speaker 6: the industry, and he's not going to be able to
Speaker 6: keep his thoughts to himself about how Bush League the
Speaker 6: company he left behind, which years later he would call
Speaker 6: an unmitigated mistake, though certainly in nineteen ninety one he's
Speaker 6: not feeling that way. And when he sees WCW wrestlers,
Speaker 6: he's going to talk about it. And this boss is
Speaker 6: where we get the squeegee incident. Oh boy, what do
Speaker 6: you know about the squeegee incident?
Speaker 3: Not much? Not much.
Speaker 6: So we're gonna start with Liam wore it, no of it? Right, yeah, okay,
Speaker 6: So what what's your general conception of it?
Speaker 3: Don't I just know that there was a squeegee incident, okay,
Speaker 3: at one point, like I've learned about it before, but
Speaker 3: I don't really remember what it was.
Speaker 6: You just know that at some point Sid is wielding
Speaker 6: a squeegee. Yes, And that's the thing with Sid. It's
Speaker 6: not so much what he does. It's that he ends
Speaker 6: up doing goofy things like playing softball and trying to
Speaker 6: tack him over with a squeegee, being an idiot, and
Speaker 6: you know, and like being a farmer, and the size.
Speaker 6: Like these things aren't goofy in an of themselves, but
Speaker 6: when when you put them in Sid's hand or in
Speaker 6: Sid's circumstance or environment, they become hilarious. I'm sorry, yes
Speaker 6: they do.
Speaker 3: It becomes complete fodder.
Speaker 6: Like that story that Stan Hansen told that we talked
Speaker 6: about in part one where he sends Sid to the
Speaker 6: ring because Sid suddenly gets a paranoid that they're going
Speaker 6: to get counted out of a best two or three
Speaker 6: falls match and Sid lunges over the top rope like
Speaker 6: a total klutz, or the story Shane Douglas tells in
Speaker 6: Continental where Sid go as Lord Timungus goes timbered thinking
Speaker 6: Sika's behind him, and he's not like that because it's Sid.
Speaker 6: It's like, at least four times funny.
Speaker 3: It's so goofy, it's so goofy.
Speaker 6: Just add that physical awkwardness to it. I mean, look,
Speaker 6: he made the Hogan post down look like a comedy routine, yep,
Speaker 6: and I don't think he intended to do that.
Speaker 3: So he's just a goofball.
Speaker 6: So we're going to get to one, you know, a
Speaker 6: story that just can't you can't hear about Sid and
Speaker 6: never forget it. And as people try to, you know,
Speaker 6: lean into the positive sentiments about this guy upon his passing,
Speaker 6: which is natural and is a classy thing to do.
Speaker 6: You just someone's gonna say squeege eventually, just like they're
Speaker 6: gonna mention the stabbing, and just like they're gonna mention softball,
Speaker 6: you're going to mention it. And we're definitely gonna mention
Speaker 6: it right here, because this is when it happens with
Speaker 6: the WWF, even though it happened against WCW personnel, namely
Speaker 6: Brian Pillman and Mike Graham. Mike Graham, of course, the
Speaker 6: son of the legendary Florida promoter Eddie Graham, and wrestler
Speaker 6: and someone who is working in the ww front office
Speaker 6: then and for years and had a reputation of being
Speaker 6: quite a hot head and despite being relatively undersized, not
Speaker 6: backing down from the opportunity to engage in fisticuffs. Brian Pillman,
Speaker 6: by the way, had very much the same reputation as
Speaker 6: that smaller football player who just you know, overcame that
Speaker 6: by being just a complete madman, vicious, tough guy. So
Speaker 6: we turned to LIAMO. Rourke's book about a Brian Pillman
Speaker 6: called Crazy Like a Fox. It's a wonderful compendium of
Speaker 6: Brian's career, and of course, naturally he gets to this
Speaker 6: point because Brian Pillman figures very prominently in the Squeegee story.
Speaker 6: So we're gonna let him set the table rights. The
Speaker 6: crew had done a show in Greensboro on October thirteenth
Speaker 6: and were set to fly out to Alabama on the fifteenth.
Speaker 6: Of The Atlanta given the guys a night at the
Speaker 6: Ramata End close to the airport. With many of the
Speaker 6: guys drinking at the bar, the recently departed Sid Viscius
Speaker 6: dropped in to say hello, little boy. After a few beers, which,
Speaker 6: by the way, Sid always talked about not drinking much,
Speaker 6: and that's supported by people talk that seemed to talk
Speaker 6: about him and observed him on the road. He was
Speaker 6: very he was health conscious.
Speaker 3: He was a freak.
Speaker 6: Like we've talked about. He'd be up at four thirty
Speaker 6: in the morning, even when on the road. He'd be
Speaker 6: on the few guys that would insist on getting two
Speaker 6: workouts in a day while traveling as a wrestler. He
Speaker 6: would only intend to eat just like protein and just
Speaker 6: unmitigated healthy portions and type, not portions, but types of food.
Speaker 3: He wasn't He.
Speaker 6: Didn't engage in anything so smoking weed and when he
Speaker 6: drank it was rare, but it seems like when he
Speaker 6: drank you ended up with stories like this, okay, and
Speaker 6: even he would be one of the first ones to
Speaker 6: admit that. So after a few beers or work right,
Speaker 6: Sid couldn't help himself. He was more than happy to
Speaker 6: talk down to the wrestlers in the company he'd left
Speaker 6: behind for the WWF about how much greener the grass
Speaker 6: was on the other side. You can just picture him, can't. Yeah,
Speaker 6: who guys, look, I mean, you guys think you're a
Speaker 6: big deal. I'm sorry, I mean, you got it. The
Speaker 6: way they're doing things up there. You guys are basically
Speaker 6: like in the minor leagues. And I hate to say it.
Speaker 6: You know, he'll say these little things to make you
Speaker 6: feel like he's not insulting you while insulting you For
Speaker 6: ten minutes, all he's doing is insulting.
Speaker 3: That's Sid. Yeah.
Speaker 6: While the WWF was having its own problems at the time,
Speaker 6: o'rourick writes, nobody could really argue that nineteen ninety one
Speaker 6: had been a disaster thus far for Turner's ensemble. One
Speaker 6: person who took exception was Mike Graham, who suggested that
Speaker 6: Sid should shut his mouth instead of heating the request.
Speaker 6: Sid kept up his obnoxious tirade and responded that he'd
Speaker 6: drawn more money in the last week than Graham did
Speaker 6: his entire career, which is true, by the way. Well,
Speaker 6: with Graham being close to Brian and with things getting heated,
Speaker 6: Pillman found himself involved. Brian's here perked when Sid began
Speaker 6: his rantings, and he couldn't resist joining in once Vicious
Speaker 6: mentioned drawing money. Given his less than stellar track record,
Speaker 6: Sid was all too eager to extend his attention to Brian,
Speaker 6: saying that the reason the WWF is where it is
Speaker 6: and WCW is where it is is because they have
Speaker 6: the correct, more belie avable approach of keeping the big
Speaker 6: guys away from doing programs with the little guys. As
Speaker 6: Sid always would let those thoughts fly about smaller wrestlers,
Speaker 6: the flashbacks to their previous issues and Ixnate program. He'll
Speaker 6: not forget. Sid, as we found out later, purposely dropped
Speaker 6: Pilman on his head in the War Games. That's right,
Speaker 6: so that's behind them at this point, not by much,
Speaker 6: by several months only, and combined with the fact that
Speaker 6: he had to listen to the same mentality for as
Speaker 6: long as he could remember, he'd heard about enough Pillman,
Speaker 6: that is, Sid then delivered a line that Pilman would
Speaker 6: never make it in wrestling because not only was he
Speaker 6: a pretty boy, but he didn't know how to work,
Speaker 6: which was tantamount to Adolf Hitler preaching a quality to
Speaker 6: Martin Luther King Junior. Pilman aggressively rose out of his
Speaker 6: seat with fire in his eyes, ready to fight. Pilman
Speaker 6: had no intention of backing down or letting the comment slide.
Speaker 6: Just as it seemed the tour to come to blows,
Speaker 6: it was Sid who declined, pulling up his shirt, travilla
Speaker 6: band aid on his forearm, covering a scar from a
Speaker 6: recent surgery for a torn bicep. Sid cited it as
Speaker 6: his reason for not fighting. As Sid left the bar,
Speaker 6: the guy's cool down somewhat. The tense situation seemingly diffused.
Speaker 6: People had just about got their hands back in their
Speaker 6: beers when Sid re entered, menacingly holding a squeegee. You
Speaker 6: know what I think about, boss, Yeah, don't tell mom.
Speaker 6: The babysitters dead, Suellen Crandall's getting the job at the
Speaker 6: hot dog stand. And that creepy boss goes, oh, really
Speaker 6: fun squeegee, Oh my god, And that's what he's got
Speaker 6: his hand. Yeah, or's their work put to the plastic
Speaker 6: windshield cleaning device in his hand as if it were
Speaker 6: a deadly weapon, challenging both Pilman and Graham to bring
Speaker 6: it on without much effort. Graham took the squeege away
Speaker 6: from Sid as the other wrestlers held Pilman back. Vicious
Speaker 6: then left the bar for good. Pilman and Graham, despite
Speaker 6: staying away from Sid's weapon of mass destruction, managed to
Speaker 6: come out of the entire incident's squeaky clean. Indeed, Pilman
Speaker 6: left the encounter as a locker room hero for backing
Speaker 6: down Sid, and the comedy value would be parodied for years.
Speaker 6: Sid and the Squeegee Jesus, here's my Graham. I'm a
Speaker 6: shoot interview with our video, telling the story in much
Speaker 6: more colorful terms and perhaps taking some poetic license as well.
Speaker 6: He's definitely one that would exaggerate or in cert certain
Speaker 6: things to disrupt narratives, you know. He he's the kind
Speaker 6: of guy that would say he had the wcw MGM
Speaker 6: Disney deal on the on the rails before Eric Bischoff
Speaker 6: stole the idea. He's from the Yeah, he's from the
Speaker 6: Greg Ganya school, Okay, of anything that's ever worked in wrestling.
Speaker 6: I had the idea first, So keep that in mind.
Speaker 6: But he does tell the story in a very compelling way.
Speaker 6: And as much as Pilman is involved in the Squeegye story,
Speaker 6: because it you know, came to the word exchange that
Speaker 6: we just heard, it really is a fight between Sid
Speaker 6: and Mike Graham in a lot of ways, and let's
Speaker 6: let's let's just turn it over to Mike Graham because
Speaker 6: it's it's just fucking amazing.
Speaker 19: Came back from my own Montgomery, Alabama or something. We
Speaker 19: just finished TV. Terry Allen and God bless Brian.
Speaker 29: Pillman was there and I was there, and they had
Speaker 29: had a couple of drinks and it was kind of
Speaker 29: nodding off a little bit, and Sid had just left
Speaker 29: w and gone to WWF. So he's sitting over at
Speaker 29: the bar. And went and seen him for I been
Speaker 29: gone for a couple of months, and I just say,
Speaker 29: he said, how are you? And he went back, sat down,
Speaker 29: and Sid gets up, walks over, sits down and commenced
Speaker 29: to telling us what a chicken shit company WCW is
Speaker 29: and everybody that works there stupid, and ww.
Speaker 19: The place to be and just then and then, well,
Speaker 19: we all still worked for WCW. We had pride in
Speaker 19: what we were doing.
Speaker 29: I didn't want somebody telling me that we were doll masses,
Speaker 29: or that the company sacked or anything else. So I
Speaker 29: just said, Sid, why don't you go back over and
Speaker 29: tell the girl that story at the bar.
Speaker 19: She'll believe it. I'm not going to he said, you might. Gran.
Speaker 19: You're a loser. I've made more money in the last
Speaker 19: two months than you'll make here all year. You spent
Speaker 19: your life I've done this, I've done that. I leafed
Speaker 19: across the table at him, stood up.
Speaker 29: I said, sid, you said, might be true, But I said,
Speaker 29: this loser that hasn't made as much money as he
Speaker 29: was just about to kick your ass. And he gets
Speaker 29: up out of the chair and he stitches his interview
Speaker 29: chin out. He could do a hell of an interview.
Speaker 19: I wasn't buying it.
Speaker 29: He wasn't cutting an interview on a wrestling fan. I
Speaker 29: wasn't wrestling fan. And I said, I went around the table.
Speaker 29: He dropped his arm and he said, well, if you
Speaker 29: want to beat up a guy with one arm, go ahead.
Speaker 19: He said one arm.
Speaker 29: He said, shit, looks like you got two arms to me,
Speaker 29: and they're three times the size of mine. You have it,
Speaker 29: and he pulls his shirt sleeve up. He had a
Speaker 29: little band aid, a little band aid on. I ripped
Speaker 29: my bicep today.
Speaker 19: Oh, I said, get out of here, just go home. No,
Speaker 19: don't come in here and insult this and then act
Speaker 19: like Fred.
Speaker 3: Just go home.
Speaker 19: I helped him put his wind breaker on.
Speaker 11: It was going to go.
Speaker 19: I helped him put his wind breaker on. Everything. See
Speaker 19: walks out the door. So I'm standing on my back
Speaker 19: to the door.
Speaker 29: I'm trying to get Brian up and Terry to get
Speaker 29: him to the room and all that kind of stuff
Speaker 29: from behind me.
Speaker 19: Here, all right, Graham, I'm ready for you.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 19: It's gonna be an even fight. Now, I'm ready for you.
Speaker 29: I thought he was kidding. I turned around to look.
Speaker 29: He's got a squeegee like you clean your wonder with
Speaker 29: a squegee in his hand. I looked at him and went,
Speaker 29: are you serious? He goes, yeah, he's in the breakdown,
Speaker 29: like he's in a position where he's gonna move or
Speaker 29: fight or something.
Speaker 19: I walked over to him.
Speaker 29: I snatched a squeege out of his hand and I
Speaker 29: thumped him on the chest with it. I said, sid,
Speaker 29: get out of here before I stick this up your ass.
Speaker 29: And I handed it back to him and he took
Speaker 29: it and put.
Speaker 19: His arms down. He walked around.
Speaker 29: I thought, Jesus, here's six eight three hundred pounds. If
Speaker 29: he comes in with a tire, iron or something in
Speaker 29: my back's turned, he could do some damage. I better
Speaker 29: pay attention this next time. So I walked out into
Speaker 29: the lobby to see what he was going to if
Speaker 29: he was going to come back with something or what
Speaker 29: he was doing, and he had moved his car up
Speaker 29: to the front of the hotel, so he got I
Speaker 29: guess and beat me up with a squege you.
Speaker 19: Make the big escape. When he saw me standing in
Speaker 19: the lobby, starts going, I'm on the cake your ass
Speaker 19: me and you ain't no good.
Speaker 29: I mean, like a uh temper tantrum that a junior
Speaker 29: high school cheerleader would throw or something.
Speaker 19: So he gets on his scar and he drives off.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's a shit stirr and a pain in
Speaker 6: the ass.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, can we not to me? You know,
Speaker 3: can we not pretend to not know that it makes
Speaker 3: total sense to me?
Speaker 6: What stands out to you about that story there from
Speaker 6: Mike Grant, if anything, What stands out to you about
Speaker 6: that narrative there from Mike Graham?
Speaker 3: Uh, honestly, it's the it's the torn bicep. And then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, he's like he needs
Speaker 3: to prove himself. You know, He's like, he's like, I
Speaker 3: can't find I got a torn bop. All right, you're
Speaker 3: a bit wait a.
Speaker 7: Minute, spam, you get back here right now.
Speaker 6: So he says, Graham, I mean it kind of I
Speaker 6: never thought of it this way until I heard it.
Speaker 6: But it's like the reason he grabs a squeegee is
Speaker 6: because he's got a bad arm, and to him, one
Speaker 6: good arm with a squegee, and it is more, you know,
Speaker 6: tantamount to two working arms. I suppose. Well, when he
Speaker 6: tells the story said that is it's a little more
Speaker 6: anodyne than that, a little more kind of like, you know,
Speaker 6: weak than that. I mean to hear Sid tell it
Speaker 6: is we're about to hear from the shoot interview he
Speaker 6: did with Hannibal, everyone at the bars trying to talk
Speaker 6: him into coming back to WCW. And that's when he
Speaker 6: started talking about how superior the WWF experience was. And
Speaker 6: here's Sid giving us a little flavor of what happened from.
Speaker 11: There in WCW.
Speaker 24: Ryan, But there's a lot of stories out there about
Speaker 24: the squeegee thing with you, and Brian told me was
Speaker 24: that during your first or second run.
Speaker 11: As Actually, well, I was on the WWF.
Speaker 24: What it was, I tore my boss up that night
Speaker 24: in Orlando, Florida, and I had left my car that
Speaker 24: the hoe Jones and everybody's say that I'm sitting there
Speaker 24: talking to him, and actually that night magdalum Ta, and
Speaker 24: they were trying to taught me into coming back to
Speaker 24: w c W, and I was just telling him how
Speaker 24: great things were. Brian Pillmer started running his mouth and
Speaker 24: I said, hey, fucking and I had a torn bicep.
Speaker 11: You know, no, I couldn't. I couldn't have fought if
Speaker 11: I wanted to. And so I just remember getting out.
Speaker 24: My car was dead, the guy was giving me a boost,
Speaker 24: and Pilm was out there, and it just so happened
Speaker 24: he was in the four boarders of the pass receipt
Speaker 24: and I grabbed and said, hey, motherfucker, you give me
Speaker 24: a whacky in the fucking head of this.
Speaker 11: Of course he didn't, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 11: so it's a kind of an exaggerated yes.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 24: The thing is this, if if Broon Pilman never had
Speaker 24: any things, you know, if he really wanted to be
Speaker 24: a tough guy when I beat him up that time
Speaker 24: of war games, legitimately, the sitting him through that cage,
Speaker 24: he had all the reason he.
Speaker 11: Could have fought right there, and he didn't want to fight.
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnaco
Speaker 1: and JP sorrow.
Speaker 6: So to Sid's way of telling it, he's in the
Speaker 6: parking lot with the squegee and Pillman's getting in his face.
Speaker 6: Of course, Graham tells the story of Sid re entering
Speaker 6: the hotel wielding the squegee ready to go to war. Now,
Speaker 6: those are two things that just don't mix, like someone's
Speaker 6: right and someone's wrong.
Speaker 3: Here do we have the truth?
Speaker 6: They don't have the truth? Now, those are the two
Speaker 6: stories we have, And of course we don't have Pilman
Speaker 6: story because before there really was such a thing as
Speaker 6: a shoot interview industry, he passed away. But you know,
Speaker 6: it makes more sense to me that Sid would grab
Speaker 6: the squeegee if he was being run up on in
Speaker 6: the car. Yeah, and he just grabbed the nearest thing
Speaker 6: he had then going to the going to the parking
Speaker 6: lot and coming back with a squeegee, And maybe he
Speaker 6: did both.
Speaker 3: Maybe he uh, he.
Speaker 6: Grabbed the squeegee in confronting Pim in the parking lot
Speaker 6: and then ended up just saying, fuck, I'm gonna go
Speaker 6: back in there with this thing. But you know, Sid
Speaker 6: holding a squeegee, It's just you're not gonna hurt anybody
Speaker 6: with that.
Speaker 3: I know, it's a fucking it's like the it's like
Speaker 3: the worst weapon you could possibly grab, especially when you're
Speaker 3: tall and like you're supposed to be menacing. And he does.
Speaker 3: He does come across as someone who really, more often
Speaker 3: than not, is gonna make himself look like an idiot exactly,
Speaker 3: thank you. You know, when push comes to shove, he
Speaker 3: really can't get across the toughness factor. He just looks
Speaker 3: like a fool when.
Speaker 6: It comes right when it comes right down to it,
Speaker 6: he's gonna make you kind of laugh in his face,
Speaker 6: even if you don't intend to. And so we go
Speaker 6: and and you know what, you know, it's another chapter
Speaker 6: in that book is his face when they announced that
Speaker 6: he will not get the WrestleMania eight WWF title shot. Yes,
Speaker 6: describe it for the people, the face he makes when
Speaker 6: they declare Hogan the Challenger or Savage the Challenge or
Speaker 6: whatever it was.
Speaker 3: It's just like, you know, he well, first of all,
Speaker 3: don't don't forget he stands up first, thinking he's the
Speaker 3: number one contender. It's spectacular. Oh, it's spectacular. He stands up,
Speaker 3: and then Hogan gets it, and he sits back down,
Speaker 3: and he goes he tears up random pieces of paper.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like a like a child having a child. So
Speaker 6: this is them accelerating. Oh, the last man standing, Yes,
Speaker 6: because this is coming off the Rumble, of course, and
Speaker 6: we'll get to that. Yeah, but I just I thought
Speaker 6: of that right away when I thought of what, when
Speaker 6: have I seen a face from Sid that's probably close
Speaker 6: to the face he was making wielding that squeegee. And
Speaker 6: it's this WrestleMania press conference angle we've talked about over
Speaker 6: the years. You know all about it. It's a WrestleMania
Speaker 6: eight episode is there for the taking in the archives.
Speaker 6: But as we know, going into WrestleMania eight, there is
Speaker 6: controversy because of the way the Rumble ninety two ended
Speaker 6: Rick Flair, of course becoming WA champion after Hulk Hogan
Speaker 6: pulls Sid out after Hogan had already been eliminated. It
Speaker 6: falls to WWF president Jack Tunney to make a decision
Speaker 6: as to who will get the championship shot at WrestleMania.
Speaker 6: Everyone's thinking Hogan Flair. He declares it to be Hogan
Speaker 6: right in that press conference. Yes, and it doesn't end
Speaker 6: up being Hogan ultimately, and Sid gets so pissed that
Speaker 6: he didn't get it. And this is where Sid turns
Speaker 6: Heill Basically, this is the first time he does something Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: because not so forget when he pulled Hogan out of
Speaker 6: the rumble, he got pretty well cheered. It wasn't like
Speaker 6: it was almost more of a heel turn for Hogan.
Speaker 3: Than I mean, honestly, all this stuff actually it's actually
Speaker 3: all a bunch of babyface stuff that really happens to him.
Speaker 3: I mean, even getting even getting screwed out of the
Speaker 3: title shot is it's like you kind of feel for
Speaker 3: Sid because Sid was the last guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you kind of resent Hogan because he's been
Speaker 6: there so many times and now he's getting advantaged again.
Speaker 6: But in their mind, they always do this. Vince always
Speaker 6: had a problem with this, where like he get to
Speaker 6: a certain point where he'd assume that the babyface would
Speaker 6: be cheered. He did this with Charlotte against Becky, remember,
Speaker 6: and it was like, oh, okay, like here's another here's
Speaker 6: another version of the formula where Hogan comes out the
Speaker 6: baby face. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, that's
Speaker 6: one too many times you just missed you, you're one
Speaker 6: step behind.
Speaker 3: That's one too many times it's done a piss poor
Speaker 3: job of it, pispor job, and you're going to get
Speaker 3: Hogan over as the baby face. Everything else should have
Speaker 3: happened like he should have been in the Sid position
Speaker 3: absolutely the whole time. And we're about to talk about
Speaker 3: this because Sid notices this. Vince may have been too
Speaker 3: more clever than we think here, because Hogan, knowing that
Speaker 3: Sid's gonna move in in his position, has a fucking fit.
Speaker 3: According to Sid backstage after the Royal rumaldnineteen ninety two,
Speaker 3: feeling like Vince actually engineered circumstances, knowing full well that
Speaker 3: the way it ended up being executed, and that Hogan
Speaker 3: couldn't see it coming until it was too late, that
Speaker 3: Sid would come away the baby face and Hogan would
Speaker 3: come away the whiny bitch. And instead of that being
Speaker 3: like some fans not going with Vince and his his
Speaker 3: direction and his intended reaction, Hogan actually thinks that Vince
Speaker 3: knew full well what the fans would do and try
Speaker 3: to get Hogan to go along with it, and Sid
Speaker 3: is just, you know, this guy caught in the middle
Speaker 3: who doesn't understand this sort of you know, three D
Speaker 3: chest that's going on, and certainly never had to deal
Speaker 3: with that WCW where people just showed up to collect
Speaker 3: and go home. Oh yeah, this is like a brand
Speaker 3: new way of playing the game to him, and he's
Speaker 3: very inexperienced in this regard. So he's playing with the
Speaker 3: big dogs here. But just to hear what Sid had
Speaker 3: to say after that WrestleMania a press conference, it's rather
Speaker 3: a legendary and it puts another thing that we always
Speaker 3: talk about with Sid on the table. Well, he said, Justice,
Speaker 3: you were obviously not or to say something.
Speaker 11: What happened at Ward Rumbles.
Speaker 3: It was simple, man, I was the last man standing.
Speaker 3: I would be the world.
Speaker 13: Chapman if it wasn't for you, Hogan, pulling me out
Speaker 13: from outside the ring.
Speaker 3: Now, what you did, Jack Tunny was bogus.
Speaker 30: Both bogus act you fair for pull off.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you what is it?
Speaker 13: Is it because I'm not a big movie stormed like
Speaker 13: Hulk Cogan, the big and mortal one himself.
Speaker 31: Is it because Sid Justice is the newcomer?
Speaker 13: Well, I want to tell you something, Hulk Hogan, you
Speaker 13: couldn't be ripped player on your best taste. But I
Speaker 13: can't why because Sid Justice ools us the world?
Speaker 6: I think it's the first time he said rules the world.
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 6: Certainly close to it because that's a heel line, and
Speaker 6: he's now a heel or you know, in their mind
Speaker 6: becoming a heel, even though, like you said, any fair
Speaker 6: reading of the way that played out for Sid, he
Speaker 6: is absolutely the victim.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 6: But it's like Brett in ninety seven, And that's interesting.
Speaker 6: That's interesting because you know, that plays a huge role
Speaker 6: in where Sid stands Brett's storyline in ninety seven. It's like,
Speaker 6: even if you're justified, if you whine too much about
Speaker 6: being screwed over, you are eventually going to be a
Speaker 6: heel in the eyes of the fans. Like right, even
Speaker 6: if you have a total solid case to make, if
Speaker 6: you if you go to go too long complaining about it,
Speaker 6: eventually the fans turn on your forward or dis you know,
Speaker 6: have a certain degree disdain for you. So I think
Speaker 6: that's what happens to Sid, even though as I mentioned,
Speaker 6: there are people that are vociferously kind of with Sid
Speaker 6: kicking Hogan's asset, wrestling the aid for the most part,
Speaker 6: by the time they get to Who's Your Dome, it's
Speaker 6: you know, eighty five percent pro Hogan, right, even if
Speaker 6: you're coming out of the road.
Speaker 3: And they enough, you know, to make to make Sid
Speaker 3: little the bad guy.
Speaker 6: Indeed, and I got a request and I'm going to
Speaker 6: answer it from one of our patrons. As we get
Speaker 6: to this point, we've had a lot of fun as
Speaker 6: you just started mimicking it. You just started out with
Speaker 6: pantomiming it with that promo over the years, the most
Speaker 6: bogus thing you've ever pulled off. Yes, someone said, you know,
Speaker 6: I expect a treatise on the etymology of the word bogus.
Speaker 6: All right, so in Sid's voice, could you please read
Speaker 6: this summation of what we know. And it's it's not
Speaker 6: very much about where the word bogus comes from.
Speaker 3: The word bogus has a somewhat mysterious etymology, but it
Speaker 3: appears to have originated in the early nineteenth century in
Speaker 3: the United States. It originally referred to device used for counterfeiting.
Speaker 6: Also known as pro wrestling, such as make.
Speaker 3: A machine for making fake coins. Over time, the words
Speaker 3: meaning broadened to or for anything that was fake, fraudulent,
Speaker 3: or not genuine. Here's a more detailed look at the
Speaker 3: potential origin. Number One early used counterfeit money around the
Speaker 3: eighteen twenties eighteen thirties, bogus was used to describe a
Speaker 3: machine for making counterfeit coins or the counterfeit coins themselves.
Speaker 3: Number two folk origins. Some sources suggest that a bogus
Speaker 3: might have derived from a slang word for a fake
Speaker 3: device or contraption often used in criminal activities, though exact
Speaker 3: origins remain speculative. Evolution of meaning as it spread, bogus
Speaker 3: evolves describe anything that was false, dishonest, or unreliable. By
Speaker 3: the late nineteenth century, its use had explained to refer
Speaker 3: to anything considered fake or phony, not just currency. The
Speaker 3: exact root of the word remains unclear, and there's no
Speaker 3: widely agreed upon linguistic origin. No, it might have been
Speaker 3: linked to the boom in counterfeit currency production during this time.
Speaker 3: The meaning today still reflects its origins, describing something fake
Speaker 3: or inauthentic.
Speaker 6: Wow, and certainly Jack Tunney's decision as it regards contendership
Speaker 6: for the WIF.
Speaker 3: Title qualifies under that very inauthentic.
Speaker 6: And it's funny that he ends up at a crossroads
Speaker 6: here with Rick Flair as WF CHAM For many reasons. One,
Speaker 6: he leaves WCW in the dust and leaves Flair in
Speaker 6: the dust, you know, after having that friction with him
Speaker 6: and the Horseman over how much you know, we talked
Speaker 6: about it last week, how much he was paid, and
Speaker 6: perhaps some resentment there that Sid's read of why Flair
Speaker 6: gave him somewhat of a cold shoulder as time went on.
Speaker 6: And there is also the matter at WCW or Flair,
Speaker 6: who you know, had a lot of sway in terms
Speaker 6: of how things were booked and how things were framed.
Speaker 6: He'd just been the head of the booking committee and
Speaker 6: kind of voluntarily stepped down from that role but retained
Speaker 6: a lot of sway backstage, would basically, according to Sid,
Speaker 6: kind of give them a hard time. Ahead of Hollyween
Speaker 6: Havoc nineteen, I debrief faced sting for the title in
Speaker 6: the main event about saying on interviews that I'm going
Speaker 6: to be the next world champion and referring to himself
Speaker 6: repeatedly as the next world Champion. To Rick Flair's mind,
Speaker 6: that's not something he should say as much as he
Speaker 6: did if there wasn't indeed a plan to give him
Speaker 6: the title, or if they wanted to keep it somewhat
Speaker 6: of a surprise if they decided to give him this strap.
Speaker 6: Sid's story is at Olie Anderson, who of course was
Speaker 6: very much as confident and supporter in the front office
Speaker 6: and loved Sid was telling him to go out and
Speaker 6: say this, and Oi was the actual boss at that
Speaker 6: point in time, and so he's going to stick with
Speaker 6: what Oli says. Now, of course, Sid is just going
Speaker 6: to stick with whatever. If two people tell him to
Speaker 6: doude two different things, He's going to pick the one
Speaker 6: that frames him strongest and side with that person. But
Speaker 6: I mean, the tension goes all the way back to
Speaker 6: that point and now here he is top dog right
Speaker 6: above Flair and the WWF on the Big WrestleMania show,
Speaker 6: and still the stature of Rick vs. V The championship
Speaker 6: is a relevant consideration for him and how he's cutting promos.
Speaker 6: It really is something. How he leaves WCW presumably leaving
Speaker 6: that Rick Flair situation behind him, and Rick comes right
Speaker 6: in the door behind him as well. It's so true,
Speaker 6: really strange. So as far as Sid looks back on
Speaker 6: Hollyween Havoc ninety, he said in a shoot interview once,
Speaker 6: so I know that he was the one Flair that
Speaker 6: went to the upper people and said Sid's not ready
Speaker 6: for this. Yes, so he sees some sabotage. He really
Speaker 6: came into Halloween Havock apparently expecting to win the championship,
Speaker 6: and that's where he gets into that whole thing about
Speaker 6: how Barry Wyndham showing up in the matches the faked
Speaker 6: Sting was not run by him ahead of time. He
Speaker 6: sort of frames it. I guess ultimately is something that
Speaker 6: was done to get Sid in the ring thinking he's
Speaker 6: going to win the title, and double cross him in
Speaker 6: real time to where Sting can still leave the champion,
Speaker 6: but Sid can go to the ring and not put
Speaker 6: up a fucking fight about not winning. So I don't
Speaker 6: know there's a lot of credulity required to believe that
Speaker 6: version of events, but I do believe that Flair and
Speaker 6: Sid had some crosswords or at least spoke behind each
Speaker 6: other's backs about things. And I would not be surprised
Speaker 6: at all if Flair was going to the realizing how
Speaker 6: much Sid was making going to the height of his
Speaker 6: powers to let people know that he didn't think should
Speaker 6: be the world champion at that point in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 6: But here we are in the WWF and their fates
Speaker 6: are again intertwined. And as mentioned at the Royal Rumble
Speaker 6: nineteen ninety two, Rick Flair and the great Greatest Rumble
Speaker 6: ever wins the championship. We know the story, we know
Speaker 6: what happens Albany, New York. CID eliminates Hogan, everybody goes,
Speaker 6: oh my god, and then Hogan gets so pissed that
Speaker 6: he pulls Sid out from the floor, and the crowd
Speaker 6: of course boos vociferously at Hogan for doing this and
Speaker 6: cheers wildly when CID eliminates Hogan. In subsequent releases of
Speaker 6: the tape on Colisseum Video and replays on television and
Speaker 6: on the network to this day, they sort of dub
Speaker 6: over the crowd going crazy when Hogan gets eliminated and yeah,
Speaker 6: boo wing Hogan. But anybody who watched the Rumble ninety
Speaker 6: two live.
Speaker 3: Well, And also you can't deny the fact that, you know,
Speaker 3: people jump out of their seats when Hogan gets eliminated.
Speaker 6: You can see it, right. Yeah, so that's absolutely true
Speaker 6: as well. So Sid is now going to the back
Speaker 6: here in Albany, and he's going to observe what's happening here.
Speaker 6: And again this is a Sid who's already kind of
Speaker 6: disillusioned because the plan of him working only TVs and
Speaker 6: pay per views has fallen through the idea of him
Speaker 6: sort of taking his time to marinate to become the
Speaker 6: next guy when Hogan departs has now accelerated so much
Speaker 6: with Warrior sudden departure that he's out there clearly, as
Speaker 6: we heard him express in a deeply dissatisfying position of
Speaker 6: posing next to Hulk Hogan at the end of SummerSlam,
Speaker 6: like that's supposed to accomplish anything. He'd call me a poser,
Speaker 6: and he tears his bicep and loses the chance to
Speaker 6: be as you mentioned, the show closer at the Survivor
Speaker 6: series in his first pay per view match, So he's
Speaker 6: already kind of not sure about this whole thing. And
Speaker 6: then Hogan, according to Sid and I just love to
Speaker 6: picture this in my head, and we'll hear the clip
Speaker 6: here from a shoot interview that he did. This is
Speaker 6: the one with Sean Mooney completely flips his lid over
Speaker 6: what happened with Sid out there in the Rumble ninety two.
Speaker 8: In that company. I was in the wrong place at
Speaker 8: the wrong time, you know, I left a big guaranteed
Speaker 8: contract to come into this place, and what the deal was.
Speaker 8: I was going to do TVs and pay per views
Speaker 8: for one year, and that's to WrestleMania. I was going
Speaker 8: to be the world champ and I was going to
Speaker 8: start my first house show. Well, he had the Fire
Speaker 8: of the Warrior, a SummerSlam, and all that shit changed,
Speaker 8: you know, So from the very beginning, things.
Speaker 11: Just didn't go right.
Speaker 8: So we were in already New York at Royal Rumble,
Speaker 8: where I think Hogan pulled me out from the outside
Speaker 8: or something, and they started. Right when we get back,
Speaker 8: you know, Hogan is screaming and acting like a woman,
Speaker 8: and I'll go hold on a minute. He's screaming at events.
Speaker 3: You set this up.
Speaker 8: You made this happen. I didn't even know Vince was
Speaker 8: that bad of a person at the time, you know
Speaker 8: that did things like that. I thought that was just
Speaker 8: all hearsay because I didn't care. You know, I really
Speaker 8: didn't care what they did. So I went to Vince's office,
Speaker 8: I said, Vince, listen, man. I took my hand down.
Speaker 8: I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna thank you for the opportunity,
Speaker 8: but I'm gone. I cannot work in the place that
Speaker 8: grown men act like women. And he said, no, no, no,
Speaker 8: I'm not shaking your hand. That's what it's not going
Speaker 8: to do you good. I'm leaving. He's doing well, you
Speaker 8: just stay till WrestleMania. And I said, okay, I'll stay
Speaker 8: till WrestleMania.
Speaker 11: And that's what I did.
Speaker 8: And I think I finished up a couple of days
Speaker 8: after WrestleMania.
Speaker 6: And this is where they make that sharp right turn
Speaker 6: where Whippleman comes in and suddenly Sid's attacking innocence on
Speaker 6: all the television shows and going super strong heel and uh,
Speaker 6: that's that's what he claims. He claims that he quit
Speaker 6: WWF backstage. What a fucking nightmare of for Vince.
Speaker 3: I mean, what are you doing.
Speaker 6: Everyone loves this show. They think it's such a brilliantly
Speaker 6: booked show. Backstage, Sids Quintin Hogan's Quintin. Fucking everything's falling apart,
Speaker 6: and yeah, it starts to make sense. I mean, Sid,
Speaker 6: just agree to stay through WrestleMania, because even though he
Speaker 6: did work a couple of shows. After he fucking leaves,
Speaker 6: he leaves, he finds a way out. Now there's this,
Speaker 6: there's we've talked about this before, and we'll talk about
Speaker 6: it again. There's a certain subtext to all this that
Speaker 6: he never seems to mention. And Vince is cracking down
Speaker 6: on drug testing. Yeah, I musten not even sure if
Speaker 6: he was fifty pounds lighter, if he would have been
Speaker 6: as big.
Speaker 3: Of a deal. Oh, I don't think so at all.
Speaker 3: I don't think there would have been any I think
Speaker 3: I think that that would have been I think it
Speaker 3: would have been done easily. He's not gonna he's not
Speaker 3: gonna main event anything. Yeah, if he's not his size, Like,
Speaker 3: the size is what makes him special, and.
Speaker 6: I think he knew that better than anybody, as someone
Speaker 6: that was so maniacally determined to keep that size up
Speaker 6: by all indications, and you know, someone who like literally
Speaker 6: disappeared after he broke his leg and wasn't able to
Speaker 6: you know, continue on the regiment and didn't really emerge
Speaker 6: again into the public eye until he had healed sufficient
Speaker 6: to get his size up again. So all that said,
Speaker 6: you got to consider that as part of what might
Speaker 6: be animating sid looking for reasons to quit. Okay, I'm
Speaker 6: just suggesting that that's a strong possibility, and the nature
Speaker 6: of his ultimate departure in nineteen ninety two after rest eight,
Speaker 6: I think adds a lot of credence to that theory.
Speaker 6: So we'll get to more detail on that front. But
Speaker 6: what happens here is is the way this all ends
Speaker 6: up playing out for Sid leads to kind of like
Speaker 6: this folklore, this urban legend that basically Sid was in
Speaker 6: position to get Hulk Cogan spot in the company and
Speaker 6: ended up being so sort of tone deaf to everything
Speaker 6: that he instead insisted on becoming a heel that somehow
Speaker 6: it was at Sid's insistence that he caused himself the
Speaker 6: opportunity to be the next Hull Covid of the Baboo,
Speaker 6: as he just you know, wanted to play from his
Speaker 6: old bag of tricks as a heel. Here's here's an
Speaker 6: example of that. This is Kevin Nash reacting to the
Speaker 6: passing of Sid and has clicked this podcast with Sean Oliver,
Speaker 6: you know, reflecting on some of the things that you
Speaker 6: heard about Sid being in the business and he knew
Speaker 6: Sid real well, and this is, uh, this is kind
Speaker 6: of like what survived in terms of the version of
Speaker 6: the story of what happened in this time period of
Speaker 6: w W.
Speaker 8: He sent my church a case of beingna sausages, and
Speaker 8: I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 6: Gotcha now here he is.
Speaker 3: I wasn't said one of the biggest names in He
Speaker 3: was just fucking Sid.
Speaker 32: I mean one of the one of the stories that's
Speaker 32: always surfaced is, you know, Vince calls Sit into the
Speaker 32: office and Sid comes in and Vince says, you know,
Speaker 32: I'm gonna give you Hogan's boots, like You're gonna basically
Speaker 32: like Hogan's gonna give you his gimmick and you're You're
Speaker 32: gonna He's gonna pass the torch to you, and said
Speaker 32: he looked at Vince and said, well, yeah, that's great
Speaker 32: and all, but what you need right now is a
Speaker 32: big vicious heel. So in other words, like just like that,
Speaker 32: we're gonna give you the Hogan spot.
Speaker 3: Nah.
Speaker 32: Thanks, but I think you need a big vicious heel.
Speaker 6: Amazing And he did the Sid accent too, Yeah, he did.
Speaker 6: What you did right now is a big vicious heel.
Speaker 6: Of course, I can definitely hear Sid saying what you
Speaker 6: need right now? Yeah, oh, absolutely, yeah, because he's seeing
Speaker 6: himself as a.
Speaker 3: What you need right now is you need a big
Speaker 3: vicious heel. No, I could do. I could bring in
Speaker 3: I could bring in some Viennas. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I come in, I'll throw Vienna's and it's all over.
Speaker 3: Disgusting Vienna what brother Vienna's Dude? What is that? What
Speaker 3: are you?
Speaker 6: Huh? It's just amazing that Sid watches all this chaos
Speaker 6: around him. The legend ends up being that Sid talked
Speaker 6: himself out of hul Cogan's position. It's ridiculous and so well,
Speaker 6: it's time to go heal. You know what time it is, boss?
Speaker 6: This is where you enter the picture, right. Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: Saturday Night's main event on NBC, one of the final
Speaker 6: ones in NBC on Fox, Sorry Fox Fox building to
Speaker 6: WrestleMania eight and they shoot the angle. Sid's teaming with
Speaker 6: Hogan against two again Undertaker and Rick Flair. You can't
Speaker 6: miss it. It's in the archives for your review. We've
Speaker 6: talked about it before, but we're gonna revisit it here.
Speaker 6: Sid betrays the Hawkster.
Speaker 20: Good Richie for the time you listen. Oh, no, Justice,
Speaker 20: what's he doing? Trust does Purgans holding?
Speaker 3: Can't tell you?
Speaker 7: This is a sen He's taking her.
Speaker 2: He he's had enough for help hugging.
Speaker 7: He's had enough for beefcake.
Speaker 2: He's taking a hot.
Speaker 4: Put us beefcake spinning. Ah, wait a minute, help him,
Speaker 4: don't need any please, this will be like a hockey game.
Speaker 4: He'll be a face off if he touches beefcake. I guarantee,
Speaker 4: says help himself. But you hear what Justice said. He
Speaker 4: wants talking to help himself, joining.
Speaker 12: Me now, said Justice, there must be some reason for
Speaker 12: your suctions.
Speaker 2: You turned your.
Speaker 30: Back on your friend, Holt Coke shut up first.
Speaker 3: It's easy.
Speaker 13: I do turn my back on my friends because I
Speaker 13: do need any friends, and for furthermore, for friends like
Speaker 13: Cold Cogan, I need no enemies.
Speaker 2: Now, I cannot still believe the words that.
Speaker 13: Jack Tunny spit out his mouth and named Hulk Cogan
Speaker 13: the number one contender to face Rick Flair for the
Speaker 13: championship at WrestleMania.
Speaker 11: Because it's simple.
Speaker 13: All you have to do is open your eyes and
Speaker 13: you will see the man is standing here as the
Speaker 13: number one contender. Now, Jack Turney, you've alreadys showed favoritism,
Speaker 13: always showed favorite tasm tow.
Speaker 3: Him in case that big movie store.
Speaker 11: Maybe I'm not.
Speaker 3: I said it once and I'll say it again. Hulk Cogan.
Speaker 3: You couldn't beat Rick Flair on your best day.
Speaker 30: As you can't make me oh my worst for Clive
Speaker 30: the Madden the rules in the world, and I believed him.
Speaker 3: Take us back.
Speaker 6: How are you reacting?
Speaker 3: Oh god, I was. I mean, you know, first of all,
Speaker 3: I was mortified because all I wanted was to see
Speaker 3: a whole Cogan, you know, whule Cogan win a match
Speaker 3: clean on TV live or in my mind live. That's
Speaker 3: all I wanted. And I was so excited and then
Speaker 3: Sid pulls this shit. Oh god, I can remember how
Speaker 3: nervous I was when when when Sid wasn't looking for
Speaker 3: the tag oh.
Speaker 6: Dropped right off the apron and Hogan's desperate crawl.
Speaker 3: It was so it was just.
Speaker 6: It was brutal to me, and he did it so nonchalantly.
Speaker 6: But then to have such venom on the promo afterwards. Yeah,
Speaker 6: these are the guys you're looking into that formed your
Speaker 6: lifelong impressions of Sid. Exactly the first thing you said
Speaker 6: when we started doing the tribute show that came from
Speaker 6: the promo. We just heard in the angle, we just
Speaker 6: heard yep, exactly all that massive and it was, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, this match was featured in the Battle of
Speaker 6: the Titans. Yeah, this is the time for in the
Speaker 6: April ninety two issue of W magazine. Now that Sid's
Speaker 6: a heel, let's see how the framing has shifted. In
Speaker 6: the in house publication, there we go.
Speaker 3: Sid Justice promised everyone that he would be the Hulkster's
Speaker 3: truest friend hours before they were scheduled to meet w
Speaker 3: Champion Rick Flair and the Undertaker on Saturday Night's main
Speaker 3: event last month. Sid broke his promise and showed his
Speaker 3: true colors when he abandoned the Hulkster in his time
Speaker 3: of need. It was clear even before they entered the
Speaker 3: Saturday Night's main event ring that all was not well
Speaker 3: between Justice and hulk As soon as the bell rang,
Speaker 3: they argued as to whom as to whether which of
Speaker 3: them would start the match. The Hulkster reluctantly stepped to
Speaker 3: the apron and watched his partner lock up with Flair.
Speaker 3: Justice quickly established his dominance. He reversed an Irish whip
Speaker 3: and slung Flair into the turnbuckle before leveling him with
Speaker 3: a back body drop on a hip. Stunned, Flair sought
Speaker 3: refuge on the arena floor after he caught his breath.
Speaker 3: Flair re entered the ring just then Justice tagged the Hulkster,
Speaker 3: who was out to demolish Flair. Hogan went on a tear.
Speaker 3: He booted Flair in the stomach and hammered him with
Speaker 3: the same tactics that Justice had used moments earlier. The
Speaker 3: Undertaker rushed to his partner's age It aid it was
Speaker 3: a mistake. Hogan greeted the Hogan greeted the Pale Destroyer.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, p is capitalized as his d Is
Speaker 3: it really the Pale Destroyer? Yes? With punches and a
Speaker 3: hip toss. Holk then grabbed the Undertaker and rammed his
Speaker 3: head into Justice's boot. Justice tagged into the match and
Speaker 3: staggered the Undertaker with a body slam before ramming his
Speaker 3: head into the Halkster's boot in the corner. At that point,
Speaker 3: Justice and Hogan were working together like a well oiled machine.
Speaker 3: Hulk kept up the momentum by double clotheslining his opponents
Speaker 3: from there, sid In the Hulkster merged their talents and
Speaker 3: cleared Flair and the Undertaker from the ring with precision
Speaker 3: double teeming. The crowd erupted into cheers Hogan, who shares
Speaker 3: a tight bond with his millions of holkam Amiacs reveled
Speaker 3: in their adulation. Justice looked at Hogan with envy. O
Speaker 3: my god. He shook his head and snorted snorted, what
Speaker 3: we don't know.
Speaker 6: I know, I remember seeing this, but okay, whatever you say.
Speaker 3: Seconds later, the complexion of the match changed. Separated by
Speaker 3: the referee, Hogan and Flair jawed at one another on
Speaker 3: the apron. The Undertaker entered the ring and blasted Justice,
Speaker 3: whose guard was down. The Undertaker tagged Flair, and together
Speaker 3: the two athletes worked over the big man from Arkansas
Speaker 3: with chops, chokes, and punches to the ear.
Speaker 6: Okay, strangely, specific.
Speaker 3: Amazingly, Sid absorbed these blows and rebounded. He grabbed Flair
Speaker 3: and the Undertaker and rammed their skulls together, dazing them.
Speaker 3: Justice tagged a fired up Hulkster, who stormed the ring
Speaker 3: and tattooed Flair in the Undertaker with tremendous blows tattooed.
Speaker 3: Even the Undertaker's manager, Paul BarreR, was tagged when he
Speaker 3: stepped too close to the action. Yes. However, while Holkomania
Speaker 3: was running wild, Flair was clearing the cobwebs and planning
Speaker 3: his next move. He crept up on Hogan's blind side
Speaker 3: and dropped him with a boot to the lower hamstring
Speaker 3: like a wolf. Flair dug into the tender spot and
Speaker 3: ensnared brother. Won't my spot, dude, my spouse word tender, dude,
Speaker 3: that's quite tender, and ensnared Hogan in a painful figure
Speaker 3: for leg lock. Flair increased the pressure and rocked on
Speaker 3: the mat to ensure that every ligament in the Hulkster's
Speaker 3: leg would be twisted. Writhing in pain, Hulk inched his
Speaker 3: way across the ring and reached up for an important tag.
Speaker 3: He was reaching for air with contempt in his beady eyes.
Speaker 3: Sid turned down, looked down at Hogan and turned his back.
Speaker 3: Seeing this flare on, the Undertaker opened up on the Hulkster.
Speaker 3: They choked him and pummeled him into the mat. Hogan
Speaker 3: tried to rebound with slams, but every time he went
Speaker 3: to his corner, Justice wouldn't extend his hand. He ignored
Speaker 3: Hogan's plea for help. Finally, Justice wiped his hands of
Speaker 3: Hulk Hogan. He stepped out the apron just before Hogan
Speaker 3: reached for another crucial tag and walked off Brutus the barber. Beefcake,
Speaker 3: who was at ringside during the match, ran down the
Speaker 3: aisle and confronted Sid b if Keke told Justice to
Speaker 3: return to action. However, Justice didn't want any of Hogan
Speaker 3: or his best friend Beefcake. He looked at the ring,
Speaker 3: arched his eyebrows, and then spit in Brutus's face. Wow. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: Hogan was still taking a beating. Flair and the Undertaker
Speaker 3: choked and kicked the Hulkster at will. When the referee
Speaker 3: attempted to stop them, Flair threw him to the canvas,
Speaker 3: which eventually earned the team at disqualification. Beefcake, still recovering
Speaker 3: from facial injuries, still recovering. I mean, come on, it's
Speaker 3: been almost two years where you're recovering from. I couldn't
Speaker 3: take any more. He ran into the ring and challenged
Speaker 3: Flair and the Undertaker. Sensing they might permanently injure somebody,
Speaker 3: Flair and his partner turned their attention to Beefcake. However,
Speaker 3: this was what Hogan needed. He rose to his feet
Speaker 3: and came to his friend's aid. He battered the Undertaker
Speaker 3: and Flair as if there were no tomorrow, and deposited
Speaker 3: them on the arena floor, where they chose to stay
Speaker 3: after the bell. Hogan was of it. He promised everybody
Speaker 3: that justice will be served for Sid's actions when they
Speaker 3: meet at WrestleMania eight. And that's the Battle of the Titans.
Speaker 3: And you read this with horror, I'd imagine, Well, by
Speaker 3: this point I kind of knew that it was, you know,
Speaker 3: what was going down. I see, you know. It wasn't
Speaker 3: really a surprise, but what was I was very excited
Speaker 3: just to be able to read about Hulk Hogan and
Speaker 3: the magazine like.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 3: This was only my second magazine that I purchased, and
Speaker 3: I'd never read about a Hulk Hogan match in the magazine.
Speaker 3: So I was very excited about that.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, So the memories that pour forward in the way
Speaker 6: that Sid is portrayed there, what a piece of shit, right?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah? The cover too, By the way, he has Flair, Savage, Hogan,
Speaker 3: and Sid, all four of them on the cover.
Speaker 6: Is that that famous cover with Flair with a belt
Speaker 6: in the foreground.
Speaker 3: No, that's the March issue equally as important. Actually, there
Speaker 3: is a piece in there, actually a very brief piece,
Speaker 3: because because what they do is they they interview in
Speaker 3: the interview section, they interview a number of superstars. It's Hogan,
Speaker 3: It's Flair, Savage, Piper, Undertaker, and Sid And here's what
Speaker 3: Sid so he's asked, said Justice, you've said you think
Speaker 3: this is also before he before he turned on Hogan.
Speaker 3: This is pre turn, said Justice. You said you've earned
Speaker 3: you think you deserve a shot of the title. Does
Speaker 3: the fact that you don't have a chance to get
Speaker 3: it in to get it in any way? Said Justice.
Speaker 3: You said you think you deserve a shot at the title.
Speaker 3: Does the fact that you don't have a chance to
Speaker 3: get it in any way diminish your enthusiasm for WrestleMania eight?
Speaker 3: No way, man, I'm gonna crack that head of somebody
Speaker 3: big at WrestleMania eight. You wait and see. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do something that will make people look more than twice
Speaker 3: at Sid Justice. You can believe it when I say
Speaker 3: that I'm no longer is this farm board from Arkansas
Speaker 3: gonna take a back seat to anybody watch out for
Speaker 3: Sid Justice.
Speaker 1: Damn it's a la fan wrestling podcasts fan wrestling podcast
Speaker 1: with Jack and Jpro.
Speaker 6: That's a hell turn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's it's they're planting the seeds
Speaker 3: there for sure.
Speaker 6: And so if you need to really accentuate this change
Speaker 6: in personality and really need to you know, deliver more,
Speaker 6: you know, obnoxious promos or longer form promos, if you
Speaker 6: need someone to play off of, you know, perhaps it's
Speaker 6: time to uh no boy, to cash in in an
Speaker 6: old favor. Perhaps it's time to call in an old friend.
Speaker 6: You recall when Sid left Memphis and Continental for WCW
Speaker 6: in eighty nine, there was kind of a thing between
Speaker 6: him and Downtown Bruno is manager in Continental as Lord
Speaker 6: Humongus that you know, when I make it, that phone's
Speaker 6: going to ring again when I need you and a
Speaker 6: friend to the end in a lot of ways. Indeed,
Speaker 6: and perhaps in less ways than Downtown Bruno would have
Speaker 6: hoped for, was Sid. We turn now to wrestling with
Speaker 6: the Truth Brunel Lauer's book and his recollection of how
Speaker 6: now that Sid's a heel, that phone's ringing? We need
Speaker 6: Harvey Whippleman take it away.
Speaker 3: One day in July nineteen ninety one, as I sat
Speaker 3: in the box office in Jasper, Indiana, the telephone ring
Speaker 3: that wasn't unusual. There was there were always a lot
Speaker 3: of calls to the box office on the day of
Speaker 3: the Showphis fans who had questions about ticket prices, the lineup,
Speaker 3: the bell time, et cetera. I was used to answering
Speaker 3: those questions. This phone call, however, was one that I
Speaker 3: didn't expect. It was Sabrina Udi, Sid's wife calling me
Speaker 3: from Atlanta. I was shocked because, due to the fact
Speaker 3: that we were no longer living in the same general area,
Speaker 3: we were busy with our personal schedules. We hadn't remained
Speaker 3: in very close contact. We would send birthday and Christmas cards,
Speaker 3: but that was about it. I'd like to get a
Speaker 3: fucking a birthday card from Harvey Whippleman.
Speaker 6: Not what I wouldn't kill to see what it looked like.
Speaker 6: This is the Memphis box office. He's working for USWA
Speaker 6: and Jerry Longer.
Speaker 3: At the time, Sid and his family had moved from
Speaker 3: the Greater Memphis area to Atlanta, where he went to
Speaker 3: work for WCW. I was curious to know how Sabrina
Speaker 3: managed to track me down in Jasper, Indiana. The lady
Speaker 3: really did her homework. She had called Buddy Wayne, a
Speaker 3: longtime USWA promoter and friend, and asked him if he
Speaker 3: knew how to reach me. He told me that I
Speaker 3: was living in a shed behind Lawler's house and gave
Speaker 3: her Lawler's number. She then called Lawler, who confirmed that
Speaker 3: I was staying in his quote guest quarters, that I
Speaker 3: had been on the road since Tuesday morning and he
Speaker 3: didn't know when I'd be back. He told Sabrina that
Speaker 3: I would definitely be back for TV on Saturday, and
Speaker 3: added that the fact that Jasper was running him that
Speaker 3: night Thursday, and that she could probably get the number
Speaker 3: of the arena from the operator. When she finally heard
Speaker 3: my voice on the phone, she seemed to be relieved.
Speaker 3: Her first question was to ask what I had on
Speaker 3: my schedule for three weeks from that day. I told
Speaker 3: her that it never varied much. Monday, Memphis, Tuesday's Louisville, Wednesday, Evansville.
Speaker 3: Thursday and Friday were spots shows that could have been
Speaker 3: from anywhere in a six state radius. Saturday morning was
Speaker 3: Memphis TV, Saturday was Nashville or Jonesboro. Sunday was my
Speaker 3: only day off. She told me the reason she called
Speaker 3: was that Sid had asked her to track me down
Speaker 3: to see if you would be interest if I would
Speaker 3: be interested in making a move to another territory.
Speaker 6: Imagine that putting your wife on the on the task
Speaker 6: of finding hard may.
Speaker 3: You get your ass out of bed? Wow? And you
Speaker 3: get on the fucking horn and you find Bruno.
Speaker 6: I am fascinating around by Sabrina's role here.
Speaker 3: Fascinated Yep. No, I'm not messing around. I'm not joking. Right.
Speaker 3: You see what I have to do with Frank. Frank's
Speaker 3: a piece of shit. Wow. Now, don't you disappoint me, Sabrina.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at you in your eyes, and I see
Speaker 3: the fear. I see the fear you have for Sid,
Speaker 3: and I want you to know something. That fear is
Speaker 3: justified because you will not know what it is said
Speaker 3: I will do to you if you don't find Bruno.
Speaker 3: Find him. Wow. Yes, I I had never had any
Speaker 3: desire to leave Memphis and live in Atlanta, where WW
Speaker 3: was based. I had just bought some land and I
Speaker 3: wanted to develop and live on it, much like what
Speaker 3: do you want to develop talent as well to develop.
Speaker 3: When I explained that's to Sabrina, she said, no, Sid
Speaker 3: is no longer with w CW. He's about to start
Speaker 3: with the WWE. He heard through the grapevine that they
Speaker 3: wanted to hire a new manager. So he arranged for
Speaker 3: you to get a tryout in Worcester, Massachusetts. If you're interested,
Speaker 3: you need to be there in three weeks. Was I interested?
Speaker 3: Holy cow, was I ever interested? Just when I thought
Speaker 3: I would. He's setting up rings and selling tickets for
Speaker 3: Eddie Marlin until the day of my death. I was
Speaker 3: looking for the opportunity of a lifetime. I thank Suprena
Speaker 3: and told her I would call sit at his home
Speaker 3: in Atlanta on Sunday. I wasn't yet ready for lawler
Speaker 3: Jerry Jarrett or Eddie Marlin to know, just in case
Speaker 3: things didn't work out. So on Sunday I called Sid
Speaker 3: from Buddy Wayne's house. Sid confirmed that he had a
Speaker 3: tryout date set for me in Worcester. Pronounced Worcester, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: to be clear, Yeah, because you know most people would
Speaker 3: say Worcester, but.
Speaker 6: Now we need to know what to pronounce Worcester when
Speaker 6: we read the book for some reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but he stressed that it was only a tryout,
Speaker 3: nothing was guaranteed. I had to impress Vincickman, Pat Patterson
Speaker 3: and JJ Dillon or I would return to setting up
Speaker 3: rings in places like evening shade, Arkansas for the rest
Speaker 3: of my life. Sid wanted me to drive to Atlanta
Speaker 3: about three days before my shop and fly with him
Speaker 3: to New England. I was just a Southern redneck who
Speaker 3: was it used to a big territory like the WWE,
Speaker 3: and he wanted to be with me so I wouldn't
Speaker 3: feel awkward or nervous. After I assured said that I
Speaker 3: would be there at the appointed time, I thanked him
Speaker 3: and hung up. And you better be there at that
Speaker 3: time that I gave you. If you're not there, Bruno,
Speaker 3: there's no telling what I'll do to you.
Speaker 6: Yes, God, there's no telling what I'll do to you.
Speaker 6: Fuck the hell.
Speaker 3: You've heard me in the night. You've heard me taking
Speaker 3: my knife. I'm shaating it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's not forget his lasting impression of being on
Speaker 6: the road with Sid.
Speaker 3: Alright, you know what I'm capable of, you know, damn well.
Speaker 3: I'm not afraid to let my knife enter another human
Speaker 3: body that I'm not afraid to shed the blood of
Speaker 3: humanity on my white sheets. M Bruno, I will kill you.
Speaker 6: Oh my god. That's a direct, direct threat of murder.
Speaker 6: That is an absolute crime by any any read of
Speaker 6: the situation. Because he's so done trying to talk around it.
Speaker 6: It just goes brutal. I will kill you.
Speaker 3: I will kill you. I will slit your throat if
Speaker 3: you're not where I say you need to be on
Speaker 3: the exact date, at the exact time, in the exact place.
Speaker 3: Do you understand me? Right? Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 6: Well, I like to come on all ye JP's Whippleman lapsed,
Speaker 6: Tarvy lapsed, Tarvin's.
Speaker 3: Harvin's Whippleman. Oh yeah, I for I assured Sid that
Speaker 3: I would be there at the appointed time. I thanked
Speaker 3: him and hung up. I knew at that point that
Speaker 3: if I could impress the people in the WWE, there
Speaker 3: was a genuine chance that I would actually get a
Speaker 3: starting date and a spot on the talent roster. I
Speaker 3: had paid my dues, and I had learned a lot
Speaker 3: during my twelve years of pounding the asphalt. I think
Speaker 3: it's kind of the pavement and asphalt doesn't really pounding
Speaker 3: the asphalt. I was finally being given the opportunity to
Speaker 3: do something big, and I was determined that I wouldn't
Speaker 3: mess up the opportunity. It's all like an offer, you pal,
Speaker 3: That's right, It was an opportunity offer here pal exactly.
Speaker 3: I knew I was a good manager, and I was
Speaker 3: finally getting a chance to prove it. I thought it
Speaker 3: was rather ironic that in twelve years of managing all
Speaker 3: over the country, I never got a call from New York.
Speaker 3: But after six or seven weeks of setting up the
Speaker 3: ring and selling tickets, here comes the call. I left
Speaker 3: French Lick and drove straight to Birmingham, Alabama. Arrived around
Speaker 3: six o'clock in the morning. I checked into the same
Speaker 3: hotel where Sid and I had stayed several years earlier.
Speaker 3: I was so exhausted from the same one, the same one.
Speaker 3: I didn't catch that that's hilarious. I was so exhausted
Speaker 3: from the trip that it didn't matter where I was.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to bed, to lie down on I
Speaker 3: slept almost until noon, and after breakfast, I got on
Speaker 3: I twenty east and headed for Atlanta. As as I drove,
Speaker 3: I could say, I said a few prayers. I felt
Speaker 3: I needed all the help I could get both with
Speaker 3: Sid in my New England, Both with Sid and in
Speaker 3: my New England trial. You know, I figured I think
Speaker 3: of Harvey Whippelman, or you know Bruno as a guy
Speaker 3: who it doesn't matter how many times he showers a day,
Speaker 3: he still smells just wretched totally, you know, just can't
Speaker 3: help it. He's just got he's got, you know, his
Speaker 3: natural sense disgusting body odor. Like he could you know,
Speaker 3: he could shower three times and he still smells like horseship.
Speaker 15: Or you know.
Speaker 3: He also he also still smells like he shop his pants.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 6: Look, I'm not saying anything to counteract it.
Speaker 3: So he take take from that, like you know, he
Speaker 3: just got that that set like like like as if
Speaker 3: he he he took a ship and just didn't wipe
Speaker 3: well enough, and so there's.
Speaker 6: Just like especially when he sweats in his ass.
Speaker 3: Crack, yeah, exactly, and the hair is just like soak in.
Speaker 6: The soak is not the word. I'm serious, man, I can't.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I felt I needed all the help
Speaker 3: I could get, both with Sid and in my knowing.
Speaker 3: As I approached Hot Lanta, as Michael Hayes would call it, Okay,
Speaker 3: I stopped at a rest area tot call Sid's house.
Speaker 3: I had never been to Atlanta, so I had no
Speaker 3: idea of how to get there. A sure, a short
Speaker 3: while after getting directions, can you imagine the direction that
Speaker 3: Sid gave him. You just keep driving. You've gone too far.
Speaker 3: If you drop too far, you'll know it. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: how would I know it? You'll know? Okay, short whiles
Speaker 3: were getting director, I pulled up in front of his
Speaker 3: rental house and went inside. Sid was preparing to move
Speaker 3: back to the Memphis area, which was one of the
Speaker 3: greatest benefits of working for the WWE. They allowed you
Speaker 3: to live where you wanted to live, not like WCW,
Speaker 3: who demanded that you live in the company town. Sid
Speaker 3: in Sabrina took me to the Lenox Square mall in
Speaker 3: the Buckhead area of Atlanta and bought me a couple
Speaker 3: of nice outfits. They didn't want me to walk into
Speaker 3: the ww headquarters wearing my early nineteen eighties clothing. Sid
Speaker 3: also took me to the New York Suit Exchange, a
Speaker 3: high end haberd Habit hashery for businessmen, and bought me
Speaker 3: a sear sucker suit that he wanted me to wear
Speaker 3: during my tryout. He had the tailor hammet up so
Speaker 3: it appeared to be about two sizes too small for me.
Speaker 3: Since my debut was within a couple of months of
Speaker 3: the Peewee Herman masturbation incident. SID made sure that my
Speaker 3: bowt tie and shoes were similar to those worn by
Speaker 3: p Yes, I do, I do, because it was like
Speaker 3: that was like the the you know, I remember that
Speaker 3: being a big deal because I was a big Peewee fan,
Speaker 3: you know, watching watching the show as a kid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so it was just kind of like, oh, man,
Speaker 6: Like now he's a fucking punchline, right.
Speaker 3: He's still like he's a he's a fucking degenerate too.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: Well they're fucking are so sick of losing him to
Speaker 6: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 6: But I never thought of Harvey whippleman is. But it
Speaker 6: makes sense now that he says that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, I mean because they do wear different outfits.
Speaker 3: But the I can see that the shoes and they
Speaker 3: and the bow tie totally being like that and some
Speaker 3: SID paid for everything with the with the agreement that
Speaker 3: I would pay him back in full when hope they
Speaker 3: get hired by the w WE. If you don't get
Speaker 3: him paid, if you don't get hired, I will kill you.
Speaker 6: Right, that's the opposite, that's the alternative.
Speaker 3: Because I'm not paying for your ship is a fucking
Speaker 3: loan Wow, and then you're gonna loan me your life permanent.
Speaker 6: Take that seer? Sucker?
Speaker 3: Who's the sucker?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 3: When the morning of our trip to New England ride
Speaker 3: we got up early, ate breakfast? I get it, I
Speaker 3: get it. But you ate breakfast every fucking morning. Okay,
Speaker 3: every fucking story is him talking about breakfast. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Dude even said it. Now, you know the motelities about
Speaker 3: getting breakfast driving Atlanta?
Speaker 6: Get it, dude, You eat breakfast every day? That was brilliant,
Speaker 6: you know, So do I.
Speaker 3: Here be going on about it? Fucking I'm fucking you know, talking,
Speaker 3: you know, writing it down somewhere and saying, hey, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't hear me talking about it?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I guess what. I ate breakfast again this morning, keeping
Speaker 3: that record alive. Every day so far forty three years,
Speaker 3: and every day I capt fucking breakfast. I went to
Speaker 3: the Hartsfield Atlanta International Airport. I don't need the whole
Speaker 3: fucking name either, I get it.
Speaker 6: You went to the airport wrestlers and their fucking landmarks.
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 3: Our flight was uneventful and we landed as scheduled in Boston,
Speaker 3: which from which we made the short drive to Wooster.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, I guess for them it would
Speaker 3: be like short. I'm say it's not short.
Speaker 6: Don't feel short to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's like it's like it's like forty
Speaker 3: five minutes. Some of that could be longer. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think it's like forty five minutes to an hour, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know you hit rush hour two hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. If you're walking, it takes like, well, yeah exactly.
Speaker 6: He's not considering how long it takes to walk from
Speaker 6: the airport to the satellite city.
Speaker 3: Whale and Mercy, You're walking everywhere with your long strides.
Speaker 6: Whaling Mercy sounds like a Boston law firm. W h
Speaker 6: e l A Whaling Mercy and the associates, Billy Whalen.
Speaker 6: How would high school Billy.
Speaker 3: Billy wayama. When we arrived at the Worcester Centrum Center,
Speaker 3: the arena, I saw wrestlers everywhere. I was happy to
Speaker 3: see some of the guys that I hadn't seen in years.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, the guys that I hadn't seen. Okay, it's
Speaker 3: crazy that he saw wrestlers everywhere at the wrestling show,
Speaker 3: and it's fucking blowing my mind. I can't believe us
Speaker 3: all wrestlers right as they came around, guys I'd seen before,
Speaker 3: such as the Bushwhackers, tug Boat, Fred Otman, Jimmy Hart,
Speaker 3: Jimmy Snook, and Marty Jeannetti. I guess ye he was.
Speaker 3: The familiarity with those guys helped ease the tension I
Speaker 3: felt at being in a new environment. I was so
Speaker 3: pleased to meet a lot of guys whose paths I
Speaker 3: had never crossed. One of the first WW executives I
Speaker 3: met that day was Pat Patterson. I've spoken to Pat
Speaker 3: many times over the years as I tried to work
Speaker 3: my way into the company, but that was the first
Speaker 3: time we had actually met in person. Pat was very
Speaker 3: friendly and easy going, and he made me feel right
Speaker 3: at home. Pat was and is a great guy, and
Speaker 3: to this day we share a great friendship. He is
Speaker 3: also a tremendous businessman who has a real gift for
Speaker 3: understanding the psychology of our business. So how does that
Speaker 3: make him a tremendous businessman if he has a real
Speaker 3: gift for understanding the psychology of our business? He's a
Speaker 3: fucking horrible writer. His sentences structure is awful. He's in
Speaker 3: the same words, multiple times in the same sentence, it's awful.
Speaker 3: As the day went along, I met many other executives, executives, bosses,
Speaker 3: and agents. Hogan, however, walked right over to me and
Speaker 3: extended his hand. To my surprise, he said, Hey, Downtown Bruno,
Speaker 3: I'll watched you give the King hell in Memphis for
Speaker 3: a long time. I guess it's my turn now.
Speaker 21: Huh.
Speaker 3: That simple comment made me feel like a million dollars.
Speaker 3: Here was the number one guy in the in the
Speaker 3: entire wrestling business, and not only did he know who
Speaker 3: I was, but he took the time to make me
Speaker 3: feel well come in his world. Hogan won. Hogan was
Speaker 3: and is a true class act, and he will always
Speaker 3: have my respect and admiration. When Beefcake saw Hogan speak
Speaker 3: to me, he suddenly managed to find the time to
Speaker 3: shake my hand. Jesus Christ, what a transparent, self absorbed asshole, Beefcake.
Speaker 3: Nobody ever respected you, and nobody ever will.
Speaker 6: Downtown Bruno's book, I.
Speaker 3: Hope you realize that you can only get you can
Speaker 3: go only you can only get so far by riding
Speaker 3: somebody else's coattail, and sooner or later you have to
Speaker 3: make your own way. You know it's saying you like,
Speaker 3: he's not even talking about him. He's like directly attacking
Speaker 3: him totally. You never did and you never will. Finally,
Speaker 3: about six o'clock in the evening, I was brought to
Speaker 3: brought in to meet the quote Emperor. I was petrified,
Speaker 3: but I soon but I found out in short order
Speaker 3: that there was no reason at all to feel that way.
Speaker 3: Vince seemed genuinely happy to see me. Unlike a marginally
Speaker 3: successful dog turd like beefcake shit, a truly successful individual
Speaker 3: like Vince doesn't put on airs. Vince was genuine and
Speaker 3: real man, that's what you thought. That was my first
Speaker 3: impression of him, and today, eighteen years later, I have
Speaker 3: the exact same impression of him. Vince was and is
Speaker 3: a great guy. He really made me feel as though
Speaker 3: I was doing him a favor by being there. He
Speaker 3: thanked me for coming to Worcester and probably told me
Speaker 3: that what he wanted to see in my tryout to
Speaker 3: sum it up. He loved my deep, rough, semi redneck
Speaker 3: Mississippi accent. He wanted me to be the toughest, meanest
Speaker 3: little bastard on the face of the earth. He wanted
Speaker 3: me to act like I was ten feet tall and bulletproof.
Speaker 3: In Worcester, I had been introduced to as Downtown Bruno,
Speaker 3: but on the following night in Portland, Vince told Jean
Speaker 3: to come up with a different name. He wanted something
Speaker 3: catchy and unusual. Bruno is my real name, and I
Speaker 3: had been Downtown Bruno for most of my career, but
Speaker 3: I was willing to be called anything if it got
Speaker 3: me a starting date. When Gene announced me as Harvey Herman, Yes,
Speaker 3: Harvey Herman, Harvey Herman, I went right, Oh, skip ahead,
Speaker 3: Oh well, I wanted to know. Later that evening they
Speaker 3: had to make some adjustments of cameras and lights, so
Speaker 3: there was going to be a ten minute gap of
Speaker 3: dead air time. I was told they would normally throw
Speaker 3: a dark match into the ring to keep the audience
Speaker 3: from getting restless. They actually had two jobbers standing at
Speaker 3: the gorilla position ready to go into the ring to
Speaker 3: kill time, and Vince said, no, no, send Harvey out there,
Speaker 3: do a little ad libbing, hit the ring, take the
Speaker 3: microphone away from Howard Friinkle, let him see how let's
Speaker 3: see how much heat you can get. We'll cue you
Speaker 3: when it's time to come back. As I was about
Speaker 3: to walk through the curtain. Vince, stop me, Harvey have
Speaker 3: a last name, he asked aloud to nobody in particular Herman.
Speaker 3: Herman replied, Carla montsou No, no, no, that's too closely
Speaker 3: to pee wee Herman. What else can we come up with?
Speaker 3: How about Winny Winnie? Winny? Oh Whipple? Sorry it looked
Speaker 3: like Winnie. I had to scroll down. How about Whinny Whipple,
Speaker 3: asked Gene Oakland, said Vince, and the newly born Harvey
Speaker 3: Whipple went out to cut a promo. When I asked
Speaker 3: Pat who I would be managing, he told me that
Speaker 3: I would be with a guy named big Bully Busick.
Speaker 3: Whippleman came from a misstatement by Gene Oakland, and the
Speaker 3: name stuck. My new charge to manage was the Warlord
Speaker 3: Terry Sapinski, who up to that time had been managed
Speaker 3: by Slick.
Speaker 6: Now quickly on Busick. You remember him, of course, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: short lived run. He was a friend of SIDS and
Speaker 6: a workout partner of SIDS and somebody else that Sid
Speaker 6: got into the company. But that kind of fell apart.
Speaker 6: Abusic kind of drinking problem, first of all, and he
Speaker 6: blew it when he was sent to the ring to
Speaker 6: do his usual thing where he would go up to
Speaker 6: the kid, the planted kid in the audience and pop
Speaker 6: their balloon with his cigar.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 6: But he went to the rink one night on a
Speaker 6: television taping and totally forgot to do that. And that
Speaker 6: was the end of Big Bully Busic in the world.
Speaker 3: That's all it took.
Speaker 6: It's now brunos without a charge.
Speaker 3: Yes he is umm oh to my delight, I moved
Speaker 3: up to the next level, as they say, on January
Speaker 3: twenty second, nineteen ninety two, at the TV in Lubbock,
Speaker 3: Texas lo and behold the new top heel in the WWE.
Speaker 3: Justice as SID was called at that time, had successfully
Speaker 3: lobbied Vince to let me be as manager. For all
Speaker 3: intents and purposes, I was as high up the food
Speaker 3: chain as a heel manager could get. I went out
Speaker 3: on the road every day, and I was finally making
Speaker 3: quote road money. Unfortunately, everything didn't work out as well
Speaker 3: as it should have. Sid and I were not in
Speaker 3: the same type of situation as we had been years
Speaker 3: before in the CWF, and our friendship suffered a lot
Speaker 3: due to that. It wasn't as an easy time for
Speaker 3: me at all. The money was great and the spotlight
Speaker 3: was hot, but the stress was almost unbearable. Let's go.
Speaker 3: Sid and I have always been close, and today, as
Speaker 3: I write this, we are closer than ever. But during
Speaker 3: the period in which I managed him, we really fell apart. Ultimately,
Speaker 3: our friendship came to an end for more than two years.
Speaker 3: It was sad. Sid was on top of the world,
Speaker 3: and he gets all the credit for pulling me right
Speaker 3: up beside him. But it was an ugly situation because
Speaker 3: for some reason Sid was in a very angry mood
Speaker 3: food for his entire push, and I had to bear
Speaker 3: the brunt of his rage.
Speaker 6: Can imagine what would cause him to be in such
Speaker 6: a bad mood as WWF crackdown.
Speaker 3: On certain substances. It wasn't easy and it wasn't worth it.
Speaker 3: No matter what I was being paid. Sid literally put
Speaker 3: me through hell. He would make me get up at
Speaker 3: six o'clock in the morning to go to the gym
Speaker 3: with him, where I would sit and sit and sit.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have minded so much if Sid didn't constantly
Speaker 3: tell me how I embarrassed him with my way of dressing,
Speaker 3: my accent, my way of conducting myself, et cetera. Big
Speaker 3: Sid cut me down for everything I did at the ring,
Speaker 3: everything I said in the dressing room, and every time
Speaker 3: I sneezed. It was like the old CWF days, magnified
Speaker 3: by fifty. He was really rough on me. On the
Speaker 3: other hand, Sid was rough on himself. He got angrier
Speaker 3: and angrier with every day that went by. It was
Speaker 3: as if he was mad at the world. I didn't
Speaker 3: understand it. He was getting the push of his life.
Speaker 3: They were grooming him to be Hulk Hogan's opponent in
Speaker 3: the main event WrestleMania eight. He was making tremendous money,
Speaker 3: and yet for some inexplicable reason, he wasn't happy. Imagine
Speaker 3: and if you're part of Sid's life, when Sid is
Speaker 3: not happy, nobody's happy.
Speaker 6: Let's fucking get it all right. Let's speak that truth.
Speaker 6: Let's speak that truth.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: Harvey Whippleman, Harvin's is here.
Speaker 3: We know who that is, and we know who this is.
Speaker 8: Harvey Whippleman.
Speaker 3: Know that man at a man, not wrong, not bad.
Speaker 6: That justice rules the world, and he love you, idiot.
Speaker 3: Not a war.
Speaker 8: He is a big man.
Speaker 13: McManus.
Speaker 11: You're gonna let a hordle hoop it up if you would, hey, if.
Speaker 7: You loize, If he's quiet a second, I'll have.
Speaker 3: Something to say, don't say it and they are Hello, Yes,
Speaker 3: there's a little such crater sec letter the other day.
Speaker 3: What oh did this the other day? And it really
Speaker 3: breaks my heart's sad.
Speaker 7: I've been a hole, Tonio said.
Speaker 8: Todd goes on to win.
Speaker 3: Me and my friends.
Speaker 2: They want to know, wa.
Speaker 3: I turned my back on a hole Kking.
Speaker 7: Anyone understands he because they're stupid too.
Speaker 3: How can you destroy food?
Speaker 7: Is the barber beefcake? And destroy the barber shot when
Speaker 7: you know you were going to hit him in the
Speaker 7: States and the States was already hurt.
Speaker 8: As the the chid themis a t D.
Speaker 6: And as you can't be a friend.
Speaker 13: To the Holster, you can't read my friend either. We'll
Speaker 13: see as well.
Speaker 7: Simple if you're a friend of whole co again, you're
Speaker 7: no friend of mine.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this guy has any friends at all.
Speaker 2: Stick around it's a la fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnio
Speaker 1: and Jo.
Speaker 6: I mean, we can't let this go and remark that
Speaker 6: music oh music's fantastic. What's great about it.
Speaker 3: It's got a driving beat, you know, it's very heavy.
Speaker 3: It's awesome.
Speaker 6: It's like one of the best themes they've ever done. Yeah, certainly,
Speaker 6: certainly of that era too, without a doubt. We'll play
Speaker 6: it when he comes out of wrestling in the eight
Speaker 6: Holy shit. Oh yeah, it's like here comes fucking an
Speaker 6: android from the from the nether world here and he's
Speaker 6: stomping and he's gonna kill somebody. Yep, you heard the
Speaker 6: references to the British Beefcake segment. You know, certainly Sid
Speaker 6: with no lack of unflattering words, much like a Bruno
Speaker 6: and the book there for Beefcake and it's a shoot.
Speaker 6: Interviews definitely saw a Beefcakes just a shit stir and
Speaker 6: someone who had his nose up Hogan's ass. We'll turn
Speaker 6: a Beefcakes book quickly to talk about that moment. Another
Speaker 6: fucking classic Sid thing where he ends up with the
Speaker 6: shaving cream all over his face like a moron. You know,
Speaker 6: he somehow ends up looking like a fool from when
Speaker 6: he's trying to be at his most intimidating. The final
Speaker 6: barbershop segment took place. Yeah, Let's not forget by the way,
Speaker 6: Sid tearing apart the barber shop is because they were
Speaker 6: done with the segment yep, and at the end didn't
Speaker 6: have a problem destroying the set. The final barbershop segment
Speaker 6: took place in February nineteen ninety two. The newly turned
Speaker 6: Heels said Justice attacked me and destroyed the set, building
Speaker 6: heat for his feud with Hulcog and Sid was horribly
Speaker 6: embarrassing on that last barber shop. So this is a
Speaker 6: mutual feelings here between. I was supposed to cower away
Speaker 6: from him, and he went nuts. The producer said, don't
Speaker 6: challenge him. We want him to look like a monster.
Speaker 6: The thing about it was he was looking like a
Speaker 6: monster at my expense. Yeah, because you don't have an expense, Burtist, right, exactly.
Speaker 6: No one gives a fun I mean, listen, your expense
Speaker 6: is your face. Burtist thinks he's gonna get over. No,
Speaker 6: in this case, I wasn't just helping to get him
Speaker 6: over for his upcoming match with Hulkstra. I was pretty
Speaker 6: much just jobbing out. Believe me, if I could have
Speaker 6: changed something, I would I would have. If I had
Speaker 6: tried to look good, I would have lost my job.
Speaker 6: Maybe I should have. My contract was up anyhow, And
Speaker 6: the whole point to destroying the set was because they
Speaker 6: knew I was off to do a movie soon. This
Speaker 6: is how they wrote me off of television. That must
Speaker 6: have been.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, quote unquote movie it's Thundering Paradise, right, No,
Speaker 3: it's it's.
Speaker 7: That.
Speaker 6: That's not mister Nanny. He's in that movie is the Zodiac.
Speaker 3: He's the Zodiac before he's the Zodiac. But like I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess because Hogan's in the movie, you're
Speaker 3: gonna be gone and you're going to be his stunt
Speaker 3: pitch and whatever. But like, you're not really in the movie, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, you're just getting paid.
Speaker 6: You're not going away to have a movie career exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going You're getting paid to just you know,
Speaker 3: lick Hogan's balls. I don't hold anything really against it.
Speaker 3: Of course, he was just doing his job. I just
Speaker 3: think it was a little bigger than it needed to be.
Speaker 3: After this, I took off about a year or so.
Speaker 3: That is when we went to film. Like you said, there,
Speaker 3: mister Nanny. So that is a beefcake's position and all
Speaker 3: this another victim along the way in the campaign to
Speaker 3: set up SID for WrestleMania against Hogan was Virgil. Of course,
Speaker 3: we talked about this during our Virgil tribute show and
Speaker 3: how impactful it was to us as young viewers to
Speaker 3: watch SID, you know, expose the metal buckling smash Virgil's
Speaker 3: face into it to where he had to wear a
Speaker 3: nose you know, a face mask thing whatever you call
Speaker 3: the those things brace basically, yeah, like the face protector on.
Speaker 6: His face for weeks. And you know, perhaps even more interestingly,
Speaker 6: in the Hannibal shoot interview he did, you know, he
Speaker 6: was asked about people that he's run across in the business.
Speaker 6: SID was and they mentioned Lenny Poffo, who of course
Speaker 6: was there with Randy when he introduced him into the business.
Speaker 6: And then Virgil comes up as well for reasons that well,
Speaker 6: I'm not going to give you time to connect the dots.
Speaker 3: I just have to listen.
Speaker 24: Well, you know, Devin, all the stories are all going
Speaker 24: to come back to one story, and that's him able
Speaker 24: to perform moreal sex on myself.
Speaker 11: I honestly say I never saw it. I did see
Speaker 11: Virgil do that one time. He actually virtual got fired
Speaker 11: for doing that. He was doing.
Speaker 24: He was worked in Memphis Territory, and he did it
Speaker 24: in front of Jerry Jarrett and they fired him right away.
Speaker 11: So that doesn't always help you out. Speaking of Jerry
Speaker 11: Jerry and what did you take of him.
Speaker 6: Doesn't always help you, Bob.
Speaker 3: I mean it should. Honestly, you know, if you can
Speaker 3: blow yourself, you should, Uh you know, I should, you
Speaker 3: should be your gimmick, talk about doing the job. I
Speaker 3: mean the way Sid tells that story is also so Sid.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, well you know he, you know, a
Speaker 3: performer sex on himself and he laughs a little bit
Speaker 3: at the end. Yeah, he delivers a matter of fact
Speaker 3: like yeah, with the same intonation. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: this is the thing that really happens, and you know exactly.
Speaker 3: He's so weird.
Speaker 6: He's such a weird guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a fucking he is weird. Weird is is
Speaker 3: you know? Uh you know, I don't I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't generally generally like that word, because you know,
Speaker 3: we're all weird. But he's fucking weird. Man, He's a
Speaker 3: bizarre individual.
Speaker 6: It's fine, it's fine. Stop falling for the gimmick.
Speaker 3: I watch him, I watch him get see. I didn't see.
Speaker 3: I didn't see Brutus give himself oral sex, but I
Speaker 3: did see Virgil do it.
Speaker 6: He said about Lannie.
Speaker 3: I've seen virgiline, so I've seen. I'm seeing Virgil blow himself.
Speaker 3: The fuck's happening. And you know, here's the thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Jerry Jarrett did get mad about it. But you know,
Speaker 6: it's one thing to just do it to show the
Speaker 6: boys you can do it as a party trick, you know, haha,
Speaker 6: we have a good laugh. But why did Virgil have
Speaker 6: to keep going until he came?
Speaker 3: I want to tell you something. I saw Virgil go
Speaker 3: at it, and I saw him blows in his mouth
Speaker 3: go at it. So it's all fine, is what we're
Speaker 3: trying to behavior. It's the way people should act, honestly.
Speaker 3: If you can, you should show it.
Speaker 6: So, you know, I say, what's what's left unspoken here?
Speaker 6: What what might be a fat X factor that Bruno
Speaker 6: is kind of intimating there that it would change Sid's
Speaker 6: moods so much, Well, let's not forget that. In November
Speaker 6: of nineteen ninety one, according to the Observer, Vince McMahon
Speaker 6: told Dave Meltzer that forty nine percent of the roster
Speaker 6: failed the initial round of steroid tests that were administered.
Speaker 6: CRUGT tests for illicited substances are steroids, and you know,
Speaker 6: color me a cynic, but you can't just as well
Speaker 6: send everybody home is set half your roster home when
Speaker 6: they come back with shit in their system. So you
Speaker 6: perhaps then develop this get out of jail free card
Speaker 6: where everyone just has to show decreasing levels and that's
Speaker 6: fair to everybody. I'm not saying it's unfair of a system,
Speaker 6: but I don't know. If that number was twenty five percent,
Speaker 6: maybe he would have made examples out of people right
Speaker 6: away instead of waiting. Well, you know, you could also
Speaker 6: petition them, as you can always do in any drug
Speaker 6: testing program, to say, hey, the stuff I'm taking, even
Speaker 6: though it's kind of against policy, I have a doctor's note,
Speaker 6: right boss, that's right, of course, and you know what
Speaker 6: I'm taking. I'm disclosing to you what I'm taking. And
Speaker 6: I think sid really thought that if he, if he
Speaker 6: was forthright in disclosing things, that he was going to
Speaker 6: be allowed through I'm sure gimmick doctors and stuff to
Speaker 6: keep gearing up. Perhaps it's perhaps it's a little wink
Speaker 6: wink and a nudge nudge that when Harvey Whippleman comes
Speaker 6: into ninety two to manage him, he's a doctor with
Speaker 6: a doctor's bag like a George's.
Speaker 3: The horrion doctor is doctor Bruno. He's got a license doctor.
Speaker 6: Of course, he's got a doctor at his side, and
Speaker 6: so this becomes part of the of the cid.
Speaker 3: STO imagine if he if he if he if uh said, listen,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you a pal. You know, I'm under a
Speaker 3: little bit of pressure with the federal government and steroids
Speaker 3: and whatnot, so I got to tell you something. I'm
Speaker 3: not a little alarmed. I'm not pleased with the fact
Speaker 3: that you failed the drug test. You your your sample
Speaker 3: was shown to have steroids in it. I understand, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: I know you understand, but said I have to you know,
Speaker 3: I have to. I gotta let you go pale. But
Speaker 3: I have a doctor's note. I didn't know that. Great,
Speaker 3: that's actually tell you what that actually that actually that's
Speaker 3: a relief. I'm I don't know what else gonna do
Speaker 3: there for a second, all right, Can I can I
Speaker 3: see the note? Fine? I really thought he was gonna
Speaker 3: say no, thank you. Let me say we got to
Speaker 3: hear the doctor's note. But yes, I hereby prescribe said
Speaker 3: tune take uh steroids and said, this note is signed
Speaker 3: by doctor Harvey Whippleman. Yeah, he's Bruno is my doctor.
Speaker 3: What is what is his doctorate in? Right?
Speaker 6: Pardon me? Said I didn't take him for a for
Speaker 6: an MD.
Speaker 3: I really didn't, you know. I know we gave him
Speaker 3: the doctor gimmick, but didn't realize he actually he went
Speaker 3: for the m D. There, So what is he? What
Speaker 3: is he? What is he a doctor of? What's his practice?
Speaker 3: He practices in SID medicine. Excuse me, he practices the
Speaker 3: medicine of SID Justice. Yeah, well, uh, I say, that's
Speaker 3: that's very interesting. I uh uh said, I can't. I
Speaker 3: can't do this. I can't do this. All right, he's
Speaker 3: not a real doctor, Yes he is. No, he's not.
Speaker 3: I gotta let you go. I do not authorize myself
Speaker 3: to go. Right. Well, that's fine, you don't have to
Speaker 3: author I'm authorized on the fact that you are gone.
Speaker 3: You're done, You're out of the w w A. I
Speaker 3: fired you, mister McMahon. I want you to look in
Speaker 3: my eyes. You have no authority to fire sid Justice. Okay,
Speaker 3: you do not have the wherewithal the strategic ability nor
Speaker 3: the legal power to ever dictate what sid Justice does
Speaker 3: or does not do. Well. Actually, I do have shot.
Speaker 9: I know that.
Speaker 3: That's all I got.
Speaker 6: Oh, Ship, there's never anything to say after that. It's awesome.
Speaker 6: I mean, what a fucking ride with this guy. This
Speaker 6: this this doctor is from Harvey Whipplelman. So I'm sure
Speaker 6: said denies like, you know, manipulating a lot, right, I'm
Speaker 6: sure he denies all of this, denies using it, denies
Speaker 6: manipulating drug tests. Here he is to r a video.
Speaker 22: Now at the time, right before WrestleMania, maybe you can
Speaker 22: put this to rest. W F put out a lot
Speaker 22: of things saying that you failed a urine test at
Speaker 22: the time that you were you know that that they
Speaker 22: were they were giving out urinest with steroids, and that
Speaker 22: you know that yours came up negative, but they put
Speaker 22: you in the main event. Anyway, that you should give
Speaker 22: them a favor for letting, you know them put you
Speaker 22: in the main event.
Speaker 11: Is there any truth to that?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 9: Oh, a matter of fact, the pissed test wasn't until
Speaker 9: after WrestleMania. And the thing was, Vince knew exactly what
Speaker 9: I was on because I told you you know, uh,
Speaker 9: there was no hiding that, you know. Uh now I
Speaker 9: was fucking using someone else's pissed putting that bottle to
Speaker 9: I didn't get caught, you know.
Speaker 11: But the thing about that is, we know, you know exactly, okay,
Speaker 11: who does and doesn't do steroids?
Speaker 33: And when I was up to the four don't and
Speaker 33: I was clean and uh never the last time I
Speaker 33: was there, I never felt the pissed is And but
Speaker 33: some guys were a lot off, bigger than me and
Speaker 33: a lot less working out.
Speaker 3: So there is just yeah, someone's going on to I
Speaker 3: used someone else's piss You just said it. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: said it. You admitted it right there.
Speaker 2: It's the fan Wrestling Podcast.
Speaker 1: He's a La Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Joan.
Speaker 6: What a character this fucking guy was. He's out of
Speaker 6: his mind.
Speaker 3: He's such a fucking.
Speaker 6: It's something. It starts to stack up, you know, Like
Speaker 6: this guy just doesn't stop with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just keeps going and going like he's the
Speaker 3: he's the energy energizer buddy of lunacy.
Speaker 6: It's a great it's a matter of great debate. I
Speaker 6: had trouble finding what the interviewer is referencing in terms
Speaker 6: of maybe if someone out there can hel help me
Speaker 6: this idea that WWF, I feel like I remember reading
Speaker 6: something about how we didn't know all this about Sid's
Speaker 6: drug tests around Wrestlmania eight until years later. To me,
Speaker 6: it was like they're probably on some kind of like
Speaker 6: pr campaign to push back against him or something to
Speaker 6: where they disclosed this or say this publicly. I couldn't
Speaker 6: find it, but I do remember kind of vaguely hearing
Speaker 6: that we didn't know all this until years later. Nonetheless,
Speaker 6: the question of whether the failed drug test was before
Speaker 6: WrestleMania eight and they let him go forward anyway, or
Speaker 6: if a Sid just said it was after. One of
Speaker 6: the one of the fine arts of this kind of
Speaker 6: thing is you you you do the test beforehand, but
Speaker 6: you you see to it that you don't get the
Speaker 6: results till after afterwards.
Speaker 3: Right, so that you get your big pain. It makes
Speaker 3: more sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, people have accused that an mma for years
Speaker 6: and stuff, and I wouldn't be surprised that gives both
Speaker 6: both sides can tell their story. WWF can say you know,
Speaker 6: you you fail a test before Mania, and SID can
Speaker 6: say I failed it after because it's a matter of
Speaker 6: when we found out I failed as opposed to WY.
Speaker 6: The test itself was was administered.
Speaker 3: But that's all that matters, is when you know.
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden he's had enough of
Speaker 6: this shit. All of a sudden, he's really accelerating his
Speaker 6: level of dissatisfaction. But as we'll get to further down
Speaker 6: the road here in the tribute, even the attack on Arn,
Speaker 6: when you hear Colonel Rob Parker talk about it, he
Speaker 6: knew Sid pretty well. The first things he thinks of
Speaker 6: as to why Sid would be put in such an
Speaker 6: irritable place was because he couldn't bring a shit with
Speaker 6: him to England. Remember that episode took place in England,
Speaker 6: and you can't just as well transport those kinds of
Speaker 6: substances across the country lines you're going to get found
Speaker 6: out of the airport. So that was a prolonged period
Speaker 6: of time for Sid to go without his shit. And
Speaker 6: just like any other drug, right that you become reliant on,
Speaker 6: especially one that YEP is so central to your self
Speaker 6: image and your idea of like your meal ticket, as steroids,
Speaker 6: if you go cold turkey off them for a while,
Speaker 6: you become an irritable son. Of a I mean, you're
Speaker 6: irritable enough on them. A lot of people are let
Speaker 6: alone when you're being deprived of them. And therefore exactly,
Speaker 6: you know, your lifeblood to the way you think about it.
Speaker 6: So he chucked up, Colonel Parker chucks up how violent
Speaker 6: Sid got in that episode to being you know, weaning
Speaker 6: off and being anxious and being stressed out about that.
Speaker 3: I mean that kind of makes sense. Actually, yeah, I
Speaker 3: never heard it.
Speaker 6: Kind of put that way. But that was the first
Speaker 6: thing he thought of, the first thing he cited in
Speaker 6: terms of why it got that way. Plus there was
Speaker 6: some drinking and they've been traving an awful long time
Speaker 6: on a bus that, as we'll get to that only
Speaker 6: had booze on it, and they were waiting for their food,
Speaker 6: and it was just not a good combination of circumstances
Speaker 6: at all in terms of preventing things like that from
Speaker 6: coming to a head. But anyway, we're on our way
Speaker 6: to WrestleMania Aid and whether the piss tests took place
Speaker 6: before or after the show where the results came in
Speaker 6: before or after the show, as we all know very well,
Speaker 6: and it's a big part of why we're here. Sid
Speaker 6: makes that walk and that WrestleMania eight entrance that really
Speaker 6: sinks it in.
Speaker 17: If you ask me, see there said Justice Hulk Hogan
Speaker 17: didn't indicate.
Speaker 3: This would be his life. Jab, I don't care.
Speaker 31: I don't give a damn. How about the liveries of
Speaker 31: Hulk Hogan. The only thing they remember is that Sid
Speaker 31: Justice is the man that ined ol Comania. Now you Hogan,
Speaker 31: AH curse you. I curse you in every Hulk harmaniac
Speaker 31: because uh, because.
Speaker 3: Uh the world.
Speaker 19: Let's get back to ringside.
Speaker 21: Tremendous challenge for the immortal Hank Hogan, the maniac, the
Speaker 21: insane Sid Justice hal.
Speaker 23: Comania could all end. Likely in my book, Brain hal
Speaker 23: Comania will live forever. Let's go down the ringside.
Speaker 11: What'd you ask me, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: This is the second half of our double mad event.
Speaker 15: I'm going to sketchule for one ball, and this time
Speaker 15: I introduce to you.
Speaker 2: Harvey Whippleman.
Speaker 7: That is doctor Harvey Whippleman.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 7: This is the main event at Wrastlemania, and I'm your announcer.
Speaker 3: Here we fucking go comb on the one on your fat.
Speaker 15: And so respect to that greated man in the world
Speaker 15: ranting better race side, So respect the man. I know,
Speaker 15: and da a race back street jacket material.
Speaker 7: You're looking at it.
Speaker 2: Yep, he's not all there.
Speaker 18: He's not wrapped too tight.
Speaker 3: The elevator doesn't go to the top. He's not playing
Speaker 3: with a full set of cards.
Speaker 8: And Hulk Hogan is in serious trouble. One way or
Speaker 8: the other.
Speaker 3: Said it was predetermined that he would end the ring.
Speaker 3: Well he's got and I heard you last week tell
Speaker 3: him the newspaper.
Speaker 7: Writer you refer to him as psychosis.
Speaker 23: There is right there is lass with the white coats
Speaker 23: and the big net, a looking lenders guy.
Speaker 20: You bet every a lot of guys and a lot
Speaker 20: of nets.
Speaker 23: Not very often that the hunks ask the stuff in
Speaker 23: there with someone as big or large.
Speaker 3: Tear of that himself. But in this case, actually he
Speaker 3: spent his career fucking doing that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that that was the race was on to find
Speaker 6: someone that could make Cogan look small.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, that's that's what he always fucking was
Speaker 3: against people that were bigger than him. That was that's
Speaker 3: what That's what sold out arenas.
Speaker 6: Which is funny because kind of but like he worked
Speaker 6: Randy Savage and that did the best business. Yeah, And
Speaker 6: he was bigger than Randy, he was bigger than Piper,
Speaker 6: and that did awesome business as well. But I'll tell
Speaker 6: you that's an entrance.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: You watch that building and you watch him make that
Speaker 6: slow walk, and yep, he carries himself with so much confidence.
Speaker 3: He's spectacular. Listen. He was. He was great. I mean,
Speaker 3: he was a real he was a legit threat, like
Speaker 3: I said, he he he Yeah, he scared me. And
Speaker 3: it was one of the you know, I I remember
Speaker 3: again not being able to watch the television, you know,
Speaker 3: like I didn't watch the WRESTLINGIA live, so I had
Speaker 3: to wait to watch you get the results until uh
Speaker 3: the following weekend.
Speaker 6: Amazing, you know, that's a long ass time. And during
Speaker 6: the course of the contest, he looks into the mic
Speaker 6: and into the camera and gives us one of those
Speaker 6: lines that he'll be known for for forever.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've never I'll never seen anybody do that. The
Speaker 3: hot Tim Henry pet that's that choke slam hoes with
Speaker 3: no hand.
Speaker 8: He shut him down And tell the man.
Speaker 7: That's Omer, it's baby, he's op the media.
Speaker 3: That's ommer. He's done his number. Chuck up here few
Speaker 3: roll along.
Speaker 30: See we have a sand.
Speaker 7: It goes like death do it to the man, as he.
Speaker 8: Would go on, do you but do it first?
Speaker 6: That's just so Sid, because I'm sitting really does that
Speaker 6: make sense?
Speaker 3: Like maybe? And halfway?
Speaker 6: Does I know what he's saying? That's the thing with Sid,
Speaker 6: like very rarely did you have no clue what he
Speaker 6: was talking about? Yeah, but it was just the word
Speaker 6: choice was always so befuddling that you were like, wait
Speaker 6: a minute, did he actually did he unintentionally get me
Speaker 6: to draw that conclusion and meant to say something else?
Speaker 6: Do That's the thing you'll never know do into him
Speaker 6: another man? Is he would do unto you, but do
Speaker 6: it first? But you just said you did it like
Speaker 6: you just did onto another man before he could do
Speaker 6: it to you. So of course you did it first.
Speaker 3: You just said that. Do you want I guess? Yeah, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: whatever you say, pal, whatever you say, do you do first?
Speaker 3: My other do onto some before they do it to you?
Speaker 3: Do you do that first? Or do you just do
Speaker 3: the first half first, the second half first, or do
Speaker 3: you do you just leave it alone altogether?
Speaker 6: That'd be nice. Well, you know, you'd think with this
Speaker 6: this huge setting, this massive opportunity, this great atmosphere working
Speaker 6: against the top guy in the business, that Sid would
Speaker 6: be able to differentiate between WrestleMania and the other shots
Speaker 6: on the circuit.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 11: Oh, no way, no way.
Speaker 6: This is another legendary thing. He once said to Sean
Speaker 6: Mooey about WrestleMania eight.
Speaker 8: You know, Sean, this is a deal and I'm not exaggerating.
Speaker 8: I don't even remember my first WrestleMania. I didn't realize
Speaker 8: it was WrestleMania. And I'm not kidding you. I never
Speaker 8: looked at a booking sheet. I didn't care who was
Speaker 8: working with. I didn't care it was a business to me.
Speaker 8: I didn't care for wonder the laws. I just wanted
Speaker 8: to get paid.
Speaker 19: So it was a house show.
Speaker 11: Basically, I'm just Sean just showing up.
Speaker 8: Yes, honestly, you know I got You know, after my
Speaker 8: first WrestleMania, someone said, you know you were main event Wreussellmania.
Speaker 8: I said, no, wasn't the He said yes, and I
Speaker 8: remember that the who's you don't? But I didn't really
Speaker 8: realize that was WrestleMania. I do remember doing the interviews
Speaker 8: for it, and because I had that Southern accent, I
Speaker 8: guess I was saying wrestling mana or saying it the
Speaker 8: wrong way, and there was a big sign there said
Speaker 8: tell sid just say mania.
Speaker 3: I mean this guy is something lunatic, something else, like
Speaker 3: who fucking who fucking says that? Like, I don't even
Speaker 3: remember my first WrestleMania. I thought was a house show.
Speaker 3: I mean he I don't know, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: think he's playing on a few levels with that. I
Speaker 3: don't believe for a second that he doesn't remember that
Speaker 3: that was WrestleMania. I agree.
Speaker 6: He's trying to make a point about how he was
Speaker 6: in this to make money and he wasn't a mark
Speaker 6: for any particular moment, which of course he was, of
Speaker 6: course he was.
Speaker 3: Later on if he wasn't if he if he if
Speaker 3: he wasn't a mark for a moment like that, then
Speaker 3: he wouldn't have said I want to be Hulk Hogan,
Speaker 3: I want Huld Cogan spot.
Speaker 6: And later on he talks about, you know, bring filling
Speaker 6: this building, and he talks about his you know, he's
Speaker 6: been asked in other interviews of what was your favorite
Speaker 6: WrestleMania moment, and he tells.
Speaker 3: I don't have one. I don't even remember what Wrestlemnia.
Speaker 6: Was at this wrestleman opponent. He names this without even
Speaker 6: going into the whole story about how he doesn't remember
Speaker 6: his wrestling Mania, right, the idiot, Yeah, there's that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think that's that's Sid trying to spin a narrative
Speaker 6: of him being, you know, all business and and the unsuccess.
Speaker 6: Maybe there was some small thing where he didn't realize
Speaker 6: it was WrestleMania to who he's at the building, I
Speaker 6: just don't having heard him talk about this WrestleMania and
Speaker 6: a bunch of other interviews, he's never said that except
Speaker 6: to Sean Mooney. But you only have to say something
Speaker 6: like that once. Right, that's the Sid story. And so
Speaker 6: he comes into and out of we know the finish
Speaker 6: of that match where Hogan drops the leg covers one
Speaker 6: two and Sid basically the first person to kick out
Speaker 6: of Hogan's leg drop in WWF yep. And it's a
Speaker 6: big moment. And there's been a lot of hoopblog because
Speaker 6: Charles Wright, who was Publishano and ran out during the match,
Speaker 6: has always said that he missed his He's got a
Speaker 6: whole story about how he was supposed to have hit
Speaker 6: the ring before Sid had to kick out. But then
Speaker 6: you hear Bruno tell it. He said that was exactly
Speaker 6: what was supposed to happen, and it was in fact
Speaker 6: Bruno that was supposed to cause the match ending disqualification,
Speaker 6: not Papa Shango who comes out awfully late for somebody
Speaker 6: that was expected to hit the ring in time for
Speaker 6: that finish awfully late. Yeah, And so Whippleman doesn't even
Speaker 6: say that he was late on breaking up the count.
Speaker 6: When he explains it, he makes it seem and Sid
Speaker 6: does too. He doesn't really talk about He's been asked
Speaker 6: a hundred times what happened in this finish, and every
Speaker 6: time Sid answers the question, he never mentions Papa Shango
Speaker 6: being late on the queue ever, and he kind of
Speaker 6: dismissed it out right in one interview. And when Whoopleman
Speaker 6: talks about it, he talks about it. It's you know,
Speaker 6: Sid was basically just a kick out of the leg drop.
Speaker 3: I think that I don't I don't necessarily buy that.
Speaker 3: To me, that sounds like.
Speaker 6: Someone fucked up and they're trying not to own it.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think they're getting I think Sid
Speaker 3: gets gets kind of a I cann't you know that
Speaker 3: by saying that was that that that that he was
Speaker 3: supposed to kick out of the leg drop. It makes
Speaker 3: him seem that much, you know, better than they Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: they booked me to the office, would write, you know, like,
Speaker 3: I just don't let me tell you this. I just
Speaker 3: don't think someone kicking out of the leg drop at
Speaker 3: that point would have been wasted on a moment like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because it is, it's such an afterthought the way it
Speaker 3: plays out. The crowd is almost confused. No one even
Speaker 3: fucking really does anything with it.
Speaker 6: And they don't mention it on commentary.
Speaker 3: They do briefly. Yeah, but that's a split second, right,
Speaker 3: which to me says, you know, they get Vince in
Speaker 3: the ear. Don't don't don't talk about that that fucked
Speaker 3: up whatever it was, because when you see it happen
Speaker 3: with Yokazuna the following year, it's a big deal. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's a big deal.
Speaker 6: Really interesting. I don't know. I mean, I'll go with
Speaker 6: Charles Wright as the truth tailor in this because but
Speaker 6: I don't know with Whippmann. You know, I would think
Speaker 6: Whippleman would blame Papa Shango.
Speaker 3: Too if that was the case, But I think but
Speaker 3: not if he's a friend of Sid's. Yeah, and he
Speaker 3: wants to make Sid look good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, accentually with the idea that the office you know
Speaker 6: said it said it so that Sid would kick out
Speaker 6: of a leg drop. I've emver heard Hogan. That's the
Speaker 6: question for Hogan if you ever see him at a
Speaker 6: at a beer thing. Hey, hey, when Sid kicks out
Speaker 6: of a leg drop at wrestling the ate were you
Speaker 6: surprised or was that was supposed to happen?
Speaker 7: Why?
Speaker 6: Who don't you ask that?
Speaker 3: What's it to you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What is there a video?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't even remember what you're talking you remember,
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's talking about.
Speaker 6: I got the video right here, Terry. No, No, you
Speaker 6: don't have to take that out, brother, we.
Speaker 3: Got a line of them. I get it, dude. I
Speaker 3: get what you're saying, brother, I get that you're saying.
Speaker 9: You have.
Speaker 3: AI brother right exactly.
Speaker 6: I don't I know that this is exactly exactly. I mean,
Speaker 6: deep fakes, dude. Who knows more about that than than
Speaker 6: a sports entertainer?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm all about deep fake dude. Did you.
Speaker 6: Let's see that phone?
Speaker 3: Brother? No, let me see the phone, brother, what's your phone?
Speaker 3: We're taking pictures of brother Old Hogan. Yeah, yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: I came to pictures. I came to take care a
Speaker 3: photo of you. Why, dude, what do you? What are
Speaker 3: you trying to prove? Brother?
Speaker 6: Triangle?
Speaker 3: What you're trying to roll me up to? You know what?
Speaker 6: What's next? You want to take a shot behind me?
Speaker 21: Brother?
Speaker 3: What do you? What do you weigh?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 3: Nine to five pounds? Soaking wet?
Speaker 11: Dude?
Speaker 3: You gonna roll me up?
Speaker 21: Brother?
Speaker 7: Huh?
Speaker 3: Huh uh?
Speaker 6: Trivia question t l f X trivia question.
Speaker 3: What's the best? Who?
Speaker 6: What episode does it appear on? No, it isn't Summer
Speaker 6: Slam O five, It isn't one of the Hogan headline shows.
Speaker 3: It's the Sid Tribute.
Speaker 6: Where where he's accosting someone for taking pictures of him.
Speaker 3: So good, I had a fucking meet and greet.
Speaker 6: I mean, dude, that's great stuff. So yeah, who knows
Speaker 6: the mystery that leg drop? But Sid has never leaned
Speaker 6: into it one way or the other. As far as
Speaker 6: blaming anybody else, he just says that's how it's supposed
Speaker 6: to happen. This is also a guy who claims not
Speaker 6: to remember it's WrestleMania.
Speaker 3: So that was a house show.
Speaker 6: And that's you know, he didn't say it was a
Speaker 6: house show. Sean Mooney that that's I kind of yeah,
Speaker 6: people say Sid thought it was a joke. Sid doesn't
Speaker 6: think it's a house show. Mooney's the one that says that,
Speaker 6: and he kind of goes along with it. But it's
Speaker 6: not like Sid volunteers that. And I saw some kind
Speaker 6: of lazy shorthand trying to recall some hilarious things he said.
Speaker 6: It's saying saying that, but anyway that that's where it
Speaker 6: comes from, and that's that is part funny, and it's
Speaker 6: it's kind of like the Kevin Nash story of how
Speaker 6: Sid turned down the Hogan's thought to be he It's like, no,
Speaker 6: that's it's not what Sid said happened at all. He
Speaker 6: sort of was thrust into being a heel against what
Speaker 6: he expected to happen. He didn't suggest. So there's trouble. Now, okay,
Speaker 6: there's trouble. Sid is unhappy. This piss test isn't going
Speaker 6: to go in his direction. WrestleMania is over and he
Speaker 6: doesn't win. We know Ultimate Warrior returns at the end
Speaker 6: of that match to run off Shango and Sid the
Speaker 6: Warrior who man you talk about a guy who Sid's
Speaker 6: career is inextricably tied to one way or the other.
Speaker 6: He gets into that spot prematurely and accelerated because Warrior
Speaker 6: gets fired. Warrior comes back, and Sid, as we're about
Speaker 6: to talk about, basically leaves because Warriors back. In no
Speaker 6: small part, it kind of makes redundant in some ways
Speaker 6: that position that Sid was expected to fill as a babyface.
Speaker 6: And then flash forward to ninety six, why does Sid
Speaker 6: come back boss for the international incident?
Speaker 3: Fucking Warrior?
Speaker 6: Sid gets Warrior gets fired exactly, So this is kind
Speaker 6: of a weird thing that's developing between Sid and Jim
Speaker 6: Helwig and no, Warrior gets fired from WCW, and within
Speaker 6: months Sid's in WCW. As they probably have some free
Speaker 6: money slashing around that would have went to Jim Hallway.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's just a position there. But Sid gets
Speaker 6: a very fat contract to come into nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 6: so it's all very deeply funny. And of course, as
Speaker 6: per tradition, after WrestleMania, the boys go on the European
Speaker 6: Tour and that's a big long slog and Sid goes
Speaker 6: ahead and does that tour.
Speaker 3: We've seen stuff from it we've seen Sid Face the
Speaker 3: Undertaker as we have.
Speaker 6: It's in the archives on one of the Coliseum home videos.
Speaker 6: So they get back and this is where we pick
Speaker 6: back up with Downtown Bruno and his book recollecting what
Speaker 6: It's Like to travel with a cranky Sid After a
Speaker 6: European tour.
Speaker 3: Five days after we returned to the United States, Sid
Speaker 3: and I were booked on a ten day run through
Speaker 3: the Northeast. Sid was scheduled the wrestle Ultimate Warrior for
Speaker 3: the entire tour. The traffic jams, can ingestion, high prices,
Speaker 3: and general chaos of the Northeast are enough to put
Speaker 3: anybody in a bad mood.
Speaker 6: These Southern boys and they're fucking problems with real traffic, man.
Speaker 6: It's it's like, shut the fuck up about it. Seriously,
Speaker 6: Oh my god, Connecticut gestion, general chaos, and evidently sent
Speaker 6: Sid over the edge. I don't have any other explanation
Speaker 6: for his irrational behavior, or maybe because he's off the juice.
Speaker 3: Maybe Uh. Since first match with Warrior took place in Baltimore,
Speaker 3: to say the match sucked is probably giving Sid in
Speaker 3: Warrior more credit than they deserve. We got to see.
Speaker 6: This is an unreleased we need to see.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, I need to see all the this is
Speaker 3: this was my feud too, like this is a few
Speaker 3: that I again became a staple for me.
Speaker 6: As a kid, so many you know, expecting anything else.
Speaker 3: Sid and Warrior, like in my Hansber universe, they were
Speaker 3: at war all the time.
Speaker 6: Amazing.
Speaker 3: It was a constant battle. And I never saw one
Speaker 3: fucking match, oh never. None of them made it to television.
Speaker 3: Got to and this, by the way, if you're getting
Speaker 3: deja vu longtime listeners. We did touch on this part
Speaker 3: of Bruno's book in the episode we did about the
Speaker 3: Saturday Nights main Event when Sid turns on Hogan m Truthfully,
Speaker 3: the fact that they had a bad match wasn't Sid's fault.
Speaker 3: Warrior was the type of guy who made a great entrance,
Speaker 3: entering the arena to the sound of loud music, a
Speaker 3: colorful outfit and face paint. He would bark at the
Speaker 3: ceiling and shake the ropes sadly. However, when the music stopped,
Speaker 3: so did his charisma. Warrior had a main event body
Speaker 3: and a squash jaw brain, which was my expression. My
Speaker 3: friend Steve Lombardi made up. Steve wasn't talking about Warrior
Speaker 3: when he used that phrase, but I thought it was appropriate,
Speaker 3: so I'll use it for this particular story. Anyway. To
Speaker 3: put it bluntly, Sid, it wasn't exactly satisfied with the match.
Speaker 3: I knew he was upset about it, but he refused
Speaker 3: to talk about it. The next day, at the Old
Speaker 3: Boston Garden Arena, Sid went ballistic in the dressing room
Speaker 3: after his match. I knew how tough it was to
Speaker 3: work with Warrior, but I just couldn't understand why he
Speaker 3: was making such a big deal out of it. He
Speaker 3: kicked a chair, threw his boots across the room, and scowled.
Speaker 3: He practically hyperventilated as he changed back into his street clothes.
Speaker 3: When George Steele, the agent for that show, tried to
Speaker 3: approach him, Sid just said, George till Vincent Klitton, I'm
Speaker 3: going home now, get the fuck away from me now.
Speaker 3: He was livid, and his actions were frightening to watch.
Speaker 3: When it came to scaring me, his actions took a
Speaker 3: back seat to what he had to say after we
Speaker 3: left the arena, Bruno, you're gonna finish up two in
Speaker 3: the airport and you're gonna fly back to Memphis.
Speaker 7: With me.
Speaker 3: Sid rented and rage irrationally all the way to Logan
Speaker 3: in an international airport. He talked about how terrible things
Speaker 3: were in the WWE and how ridiculous it was for
Speaker 3: him to be working with Warrior. He went on and on.
Speaker 3: Once again, just like all the times in CWF, I
Speaker 3: was there to bear the brunt of his anger. I
Speaker 3: begged Sid to reconsider as we stood in front of
Speaker 3: the airline ticket counter. I suggested he'd go explain his
Speaker 3: grievances to Vincent the following Dan Niagara Falls TV whatever,
Speaker 3: whatever the whatever the problem, I assured him, vinc will
Speaker 3: fixing for you. Sid would hear none of it. He
Speaker 3: simply told me to get my credit card and buy
Speaker 3: a one way ticket to Memphis. Unbelievable, or he would
Speaker 3: snap your fucking neck.
Speaker 6: Nice guy.
Speaker 3: Not wanting my next snaps, I pulled out my trusty
Speaker 3: visa and slapped it on the Northwest ticket counter, and
Speaker 3: without so much as telling a soul from the company,
Speaker 3: I pulled a hank snow with Sid. We landed in Memphis.
Speaker 3: Sid into his car and drove home to Arkansas, while
Speaker 3: I hoped into my truck and drove to Mississippi. As
Speaker 3: we parted, Sid told me tomorrow call Vincent, thank him
Speaker 3: for everything, but tell him that you want you want
Speaker 3: to finish up, then call Lawlor and go back to USWA.
Speaker 3: As soon as again I'm on ww contract, I'll take
Speaker 3: you to w CW with me.
Speaker 6: Jesus Christ, no choice in the matter. As we know
Speaker 6: Downtown Bruno would actually stay with WWF. He goes on
Speaker 6: his book to talk about how as soon as Vince
Speaker 6: is frantically trying to get him on the phone, realizing
Speaker 6: that Sid skipped out on him. And when he does
Speaker 6: get Berno on the phone, he says, you still want
Speaker 6: to work here? And he says yes. And Bruno stayed
Speaker 6: booked for a while and actually worked for the company
Speaker 6: for years and years and years and went backstage logistics capacity.
Speaker 6: And I think he's even still there. I'm not entirely
Speaker 6: sure as to his status, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 6: he went to manage Kamala the rest of the year,
Speaker 6: sure did ye stayed on TV for a while, so
Speaker 6: he didn't follow Sid as he sat out his WWF contract.
Speaker 6: And of course it being spring becoming summer, you know,
Speaker 6: people start saying, yeah, you know, Sid's finding a way
Speaker 6: to get out just in time for softball season. But
Speaker 6: that that's perhaps the story that uh that that lives
Speaker 6: in infamy and in the legend and myth. But I
Speaker 6: might not have all of the the direct support unlike
Speaker 6: the other one in the w W days when he
Speaker 6: was recuperating from that lung surgery. I guess Arkansas baseball
Speaker 6: is a really big deal. We get a note from
Speaker 6: somebody that said, like the softball rather that it's actually
Speaker 6: some of the highest level male softball teams in the
Speaker 6: country play at Arkansas.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I didn't know there were high
Speaker 3: level softball team begin with. I guess Sid was was
Speaker 3: within his rights to take this a little more seriously
Speaker 3: than I guess he'd you know, take it very seriously.
Speaker 3: It's just like a you know, it's just like a
Speaker 3: football player, you know, you know, it just comes to
Speaker 3: wrestle the off season so different. I can't.
Speaker 6: I can't, you know, I can't deny that. I can't
Speaker 6: find I can't.
Speaker 3: When you know you don't make fun of Kevin Green
Speaker 3: for you know, doing w c W during the off season,
Speaker 3: you know, what's the big deal? Like you should shut
Speaker 3: the fuck up, right he's a softball player than a wrestler.
Speaker 3: It's our pal William Webb on Patreon, who writes softball
Speaker 3: is huge in Arkansas with no pro sports teams except
Speaker 3: for the minor league baseball team, so college sports are
Speaker 3: huge and the men's baseball team and women's softball team
Speaker 3: are highly revered. For what it's worth, Sid probably worked
Speaker 3: rice fields, as that's one of the few crops that grows. Well.
Speaker 6: I remember him talking about corn, but I don't know.
Speaker 6: Maybe you're right.
Speaker 3: What's so like? Let me tell you. So I don't
Speaker 3: understand men's softball. What's the difference between it and baseball,
Speaker 3: big ball?
Speaker 6: Just the big ball yep, underhand pitching, okay, And I
Speaker 6: think there's different dimensions to the field as far as
Speaker 6: how far away the home run is and stuff.
Speaker 3: Or maybe the people who play live in different dimensions.
Speaker 6: It's definitely in the world. He mind, Well, it's definitely
Speaker 6: a way like I feel like when men get older,
Speaker 6: it becomes really hard for them to play regular baseball
Speaker 6: without getting hurt. I think it's I think the dimensions
Speaker 6: make it easier to play longer. So it's like I
Speaker 6: always associate men's softball with older people, and I don't
Speaker 6: exactly know why, but you know, if you're going to
Speaker 6: start like an old man's league, it's never.
Speaker 3: Going to be baseball.
Speaker 6: It's going to be softball, and it's a soft pitch,
Speaker 6: so you can really crack the ball. No one's going
Speaker 6: to get beaned and put on the fucking you know shelf. Sure,
Speaker 6: sure you can only throw a ball that's that big,
Speaker 6: that hard anyway. So I think that that's kind of
Speaker 6: kind of it. And I think the nature of the
Speaker 6: ball is softer too, But that's just that's what I
Speaker 6: can do for you there. But yeah, I think I
Speaker 6: think we can read the subtext in Bruno's writing as
Speaker 6: to what might be animating Sid. I think I think
Speaker 6: it's a fair play. I think it's it's no coincidence,
Speaker 6: it's sd Sid quits the company twice in four months
Speaker 6: after they institute pissed testing in November ninety one. Yeah,
Speaker 6: or at least the results come in November ninety one.
Speaker 6: So all that is to say that no one's better
Speaker 6: at coming up with a reason to have a big
Speaker 6: fit and bounce and dip than the great Sid Uty.
Speaker 6: As for his opponent during this last few outings in
Speaker 6: this memorable wwfron Ultimate Warrior. He did sit for a
Speaker 6: shoot interview and did talk briefly here about working with Sid,
Speaker 6: and I think I think, you know, kind of supports
Speaker 6: at least the narrative about them going back and forth
Speaker 6: on how much offense Warrior expected Sid to give to
Speaker 6: him upon his return at wrestling.
Speaker 25: He eight Sid came in after I left in ninety one,
Speaker 25: and so we never really got to know one another.
Speaker 27: And he when I came back in ninety two, just
Speaker 27: like I did when I came back in ninety six
Speaker 27: with Hunter Helmsley, he just misunderstood I was as a
Speaker 27: businessman saying this is Ultimate Warrior.
Speaker 11: I'm ultimate Warrior.
Speaker 25: Is this this is the way he's accepted by the people,
Speaker 25: This is how he is a money maker.
Speaker 11: And he had been the guy.
Speaker 25: He had been the big, tall guy with big arms
Speaker 25: and big muscles and know, you know, their version of
Speaker 25: intense character that they had at the time. And when
Speaker 25: I came back, I mean, I think he was at
Speaker 25: the least he's you know, his feelings were probably hurt
Speaker 25: and at the most, you know, he was offended and
Speaker 25: he wasn't going to go along with what that needed.
Speaker 6: To be done, also reporting that said was officially suspended
Speaker 6: for a period of no less than six weeks by
Speaker 6: the w WF for unprofessional conduct, which was an all
Speaker 6: encompassing term that they used back then, and they didn't
Speaker 6: want to be specific as to why So left. This
Speaker 6: is coming after the aforementioned scene were Sid storms out
Speaker 6: of the Boston Garden after a match with Ultimate Warrior,
Speaker 6: because Meltzer wrote, he was unhappy either with the way
Speaker 6: they were going to the finish or the finish itself,
Speaker 6: and we got all the details there as to what
Speaker 6: that was about. Papa Shango, of all people, was called
Speaker 6: to fill in on Sid's spots on these cards that
Speaker 6: he began to miss pulled from Midwest bookings. Is they
Speaker 6: were running two different circuits, two different rosters at that
Speaker 6: point in time. On the house shows. There's apparently some
Speaker 6: word that Sid was trying to negotiate with Japan Sunday's
Speaker 6: Tokyo Sports. Meltzer wrote at the time it was the
Speaker 6: board of that Justice, who was believed to have had
Speaker 6: more than one year left on his WWF contract, was
Speaker 6: now negotiating in New Japan, although New Japan's office didn't
Speaker 6: confirm the story and so Meltzer concludes, this marks the
Speaker 6: third straight year that Justice hasn't worked during this time
Speaker 6: of year, I e. Softball season.
Speaker 3: That's insane.
Speaker 6: We close this period of our tribute to Sid and
Speaker 6: our look back on his life and times with his
Speaker 6: recollections of this final night in the ww F locker room,
Speaker 6: of this memorable run that.
Speaker 8: Just that's maybe one of the worst moments of my
Speaker 8: life working with that guy. I'm not a kid yet.
Speaker 8: That's when I already gave my notice and I was
Speaker 8: just trying to get the fuck out of there. And
Speaker 8: the first time I had to work with guy in Baltimore.
Speaker 8: As he says, sim will clothes line and clothesline and
Speaker 8: clothes line, and then you take a power and I'm
Speaker 8: gonna shake the ropes. I said, no, Jim, I'm gonna
Speaker 8: come in. I'm gonna stop you. You're gonna duck my
Speaker 8: clothes line. You're gonna give me one clothes line. Then
Speaker 8: you shake your ropes and he reached him to the said,
Speaker 8: well the stars tell us to goy. I was looking
Speaker 8: around like man, my own candle camera, and that walked
Speaker 8: down to Jack Landra. This is exact exactly was that.
Speaker 8: I said, landa you bet get on the phone, called Vince,
Speaker 8: but said, if I have to work with this motherfucking
Speaker 8: do this finish one more night, I'm gonna go home
Speaker 8: and I'm not gonna answer the fucking phone. And that
Speaker 8: we did in Boston the next night, and that's exactly
Speaker 8: what happened. I packed my ship up, went home and
Speaker 8: then't and didn't come back.
Speaker 6: Indeed, he didn't. He didn't answer the call until it
Speaker 6: was in fact, World Championship Wrestling calling back, and Arn
Speaker 6: Anderson here he comes.
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