WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:05.559 It's the lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn 2 00:00:05.639 --> 00:00:07.639 s e O and JP Sorrow. 3 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:13.679 He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling. 4 00:00:13.480 --> 00:00:21.480 I never seen anything. 5 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:23.039 And it's the laps fan man like the one in 6 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:23.480 the ring. 7 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:26.440 Forget about Sado. He the real king of swing. When 8 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:29.519 the bell goes in the kick like me throwing in 9 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:32.560 the corner, but gets rash like stick even Jerry King 10 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:35.280 gets take off. The crowd nodded in his head like 11 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:37.719 its Steve low Brown. Would you get low down? We 12 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:39.079 go even high up? 13 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:41.439 Flipp you on your head, But you know cool driver, 14 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:44.960 you speak more and Dragon spits fire give you more 15 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:47.840 shock than when he treats higher drop a more truth 16 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:48.200 than the. 17 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:51.719 Con of sniper unless you with a coconut, Roddy Pipper 18 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:54.600 Jack a JP. He like j h D drop the 19 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:58.079 cupcakes and gold the brain Bob means the best podcast 20 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:00.200 Frost start the close cloud if you are I've been. 21 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:02.000 He's a classic and pose. 22 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.719 We've called Sid many things over the years, but as 23 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:08.159 we get to the portion of his run where he 24 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:10.239 made it the World Wrestling Federation for the first time 25 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:13.840 in nineteen ninety one, I just can't shake my year's 26 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:16.319 long obsession. In fact, probably if you can consider it 27 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:19.480 something that formed in this era in my childhood, probably 28 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:22.760 a lifelong obsession with Why do I always say the 29 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:26.799 Revolutionary Sid Justice. Yes, if we have kicked this around 30 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:29.799 for years on the cast, and if you don't know 31 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:32.280 the genesis of it, it's just for some reason. As 32 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:34.439 a kid, I swore they framed him on television when 33 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:37.079 he first came in as the baby face said Justice 34 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:40.280 as the Revolutionary Sid Justice. Now I don't know. I mean, 35 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:42.640 this is also someone who thought VK thunder Wiger was 36 00:01:42.680 --> 00:01:46.959 a WCW wrestler. As I look at the custom Hasbro 37 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:48.599 created by a member of the Solar System as a 38 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:52.799 Christmas gift of the irs, has Bro with fucking juice 39 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:54.680 and liger Head peace on. 40 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:57.079 But it's just this is it? 41 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:59.840 This is that's all to say that this is the 42 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:03.280 ninety one ninety two blue tight Sid Justice to Sid 43 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.439 Justice to heel. Yes, from an enabler and a helper 44 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:10.199 and an ally of Hulkogan to a WrestleMania opponent an enemy. 45 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:13.759 I mean, honestly, that's why we're here, That's why where 46 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:18.080 it really is. It's it's it's it's it's you know this, 47 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:21.960 it's funny how and and. 48 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:28.719 You know, these feuds, these feuds more than and this 49 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:33.800 time period, more than anything, these were the the feuds 50 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:37.479 that really sunk in, you know, for some reason, even 51 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:40.560 though you know, you think about this run being so short, 52 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:45.199 and it is, it's less than a year, but these 53 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:52.479 were monumental moments that made like, to me, Hogan and 54 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:58.919 Sid were the quintessential foes because of this. And it's 55 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:02.240 the reason why even though this was you know, the 56 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:06.280 only program they had was from the you know, SummerSlam 57 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:10.960 ninety one until that Saturn Night's main event, but Savage 58 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:14.120 and Jake Roberts, right, it's like they never wrestled again 59 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:15.039 after that. 60 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:17.560 We're setting for our generation, which is the generation that 61 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.520 supports this whole nostalgia wrestling podcast Boom, by the way, 62 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.479 didn't see a lot of nostalgia pods for the eighties 63 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:27.360 doing the kind of numbers the Hasbro Kid ended up doing, 64 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:34.280 creating an entire industry. Basically, it's the archetypes for a 65 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:36.400 certain type of face versus a certain type of heel. 66 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:41.280 Sid and Hogan and Randy and Jake Yep, yeah, that's 67 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:43.360 pretty much and you can see the world in those 68 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:45.400 four characters. I'm not saying they were the best, but 69 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:48.680 I'm saying what they the positions they occupied to us 70 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:51.400 as fans in that era are the positions pretty much 71 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:53.120 any heel you can think of in any face you 72 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:55.159 can think of an American wrestling and occupied if they 73 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:55.840 were successful. 74 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.080 And also too, when you think about the fact that 75 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:01.719 that Rick Flair, you know, with champion from the Royal 76 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:05.560 Rumble until WrestleMania and that's it. Really you know, he 77 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:07.800 was champion for like two months, but it seemed like 78 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:09.360 a lifetimes. 79 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:10.960 Things just simmered on the stove. 80 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:11.199 Man. 81 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:15.039 Yeah, I mean it's the it's the same broad strokes 82 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:17.079 as why you know, everything was pretty much better because 83 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:21.480 everything had time to marinate. You know, anyone who enjoys 84 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:25.279 fine cuisine knows anyone who enjoys fuck fine cuisine. Anyone 85 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:27.439 who enjoys well cooked food knows the difference. They know 86 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:31.000 low and slow on anyone who enjoys cuisine right, low 87 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:34.000 and slow. That's right, And if the business is set 88 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:35.759 up to not allow low and slow, it is by 89 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:38.680 definition inferior to the former presentation. 90 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:39.560 That's correct. 91 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:41.920 You're not holding it against the current presentation that it 92 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:43.920 has to be that way. We get the market conditions 93 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:46.399 and understand that the fans don't care. But I'm telling 94 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:51.279 you it used to be a much more satisfying fan experience. 95 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:53.160 That's why we stand here. That's why we have the 96 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:55.519 audience we do. That's why Conrad has the audience he does. 97 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:58.040 That's why anybody who talks about wrestlers from this era 98 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:01.560 have the audience that they do. Because it was pitch 99 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:05.360 perfect in terms of sinking in your brain. Well, we 100 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:07.120 were preparing for this episode, I said, hey, boss, you 101 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:08.959 know this is I thought, this is a wild shot? 102 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:09.160 Is it? 103 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:12.199 Are there WWF magazine articles maybe like one from when 104 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:14.240 Sid was a face when he first came into WWF 105 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:15.920 and then Sid as a as a heel after returned 106 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:17.839 on Hogan that that you would you might, you know, 107 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:19.600 remember from your childhood that we could bring up in 108 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:22.199 this episode, like instantaneously, Yes, absolutely. 109 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:25.720 Yeah, no, no question, They're right there, they're ready, and. 110 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:27.560 There's not an article that anybody's going to think of 111 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:30.160 that's a fan in twenty twenty four, in fifteen years, 112 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.639 that epitomizes what it meant to be a fan of wrestling, 113 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:34.120 at that point in time, there will be no such thing. 114 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:38.360 And that's inferior for sure. And that's inferior. So here 115 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:40.399 we are, and you were ready, you ready to go, 116 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:42.680 and oh yeah, we're going to unload. I'm actually going 117 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:46.319 to send one to you. Become tasty. The first one 118 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:48.680 I purposely didn't ask him what it was going to 119 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:49.879 be until we hit record. 120 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:53.639 That's right. So the first one actually is from the 121 00:05:53.879 --> 00:06:01.160 December nineteen ninety one issue of the ww magazine with 122 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:05.720 Sid on the cover, and the first said w w 123 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:09.519 F magazine cover. Ever, Yeah, I believe so, I believe so. 124 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:11.680 I don't think he had any I don't think he 125 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.279 did any stuff leading up to SummerSlam that I that 126 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:18.120 I'm Noah. But I remember this cover very well, very vividly, 127 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:21.639 because it was one of the covers where they would 128 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:26.680 kind of when they were to offer uh back issues 129 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:29.319 or they would talk about, you know, you need to 130 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:33.079 subscribe to w w WE magazine. It was it was 131 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:38.480 one of these, oh that's insane, how big this file is? 132 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:40.000 That's acceptible. 133 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:43.879 Actually, the all scams aren't credit equal from a bandwidth perspective. 134 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:46.000 I've noticed this. 135 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:50.040 I'm going to see if I can just give you 136 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:52.839 the time, but you're ready to go. 137 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:56.439 You're ready to fire instantly. Oh yeah, Sid was that 138 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:56.920 kind of guy. 139 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:02.079 Yeah, I had. I mean, there was there was this 140 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:09.120 dread of mine as a as a fan that he was. 141 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:12.319 I can remember all the magazines that he was that 142 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.639 he was featured in all of them because they were 143 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:19.480 so they were so monumental to me and uh and 144 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:20.879 my my fandom. 145 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:22.600 And I like, how you put fear on it, because 146 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:25.279 in preparing for this, you know, part of his career 147 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:28.480 as part of our Sid tribute here at TLF, it did. 148 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:30.519 It did start to ring in my mind what you 149 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:33.000 were talking about with fear. At first, I was like, really, like, 150 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:35.519 you know, Sid turning on Hogan created a fear and 151 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:36.839 he was a fan. And when I went back and 152 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:39.519 kind of revisited how he turns on Hogan, the things 153 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:41.759 he does to Jabroni's on the way to WrestleMania Aid, 154 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.199 the way he presents himself on promos, how psychotic he 155 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.680 gets with Harvey Whippleman at his side, I'm like, yeah, 156 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:48.360 you know, there was fear. There was fear that this 157 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:52.759 guy was not going to register Hogan's offense. 158 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:56.800 Yes, yeah, yeah, he there was a I mean not 159 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:02.439 only that, but there was a uh uh it felt 160 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:09.040 like he he he would not, He just wouldn't. Hogan 161 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.759 couldn't do anything against him. Yeah, is what it felt like. 162 00:08:12.759 --> 00:08:15.000 It felt that's and again he felt in that regard. 163 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:16.879 He felt dangerous and. 164 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.279 In a different way than even Undertaker, who was, you know, 165 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:22.759 invincible to everything. It wasn't even similar. But it was 166 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:25.800 like Sid wasn't dead, he wasn't supernatural. He was just 167 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:30.040 this guy that like that, just Hogan could not you know, puncture. 168 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:33.440 Right when he choked slams Hogan, it wrestlemaniated, who's your dumb? 169 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:36.240 You know that moment? Yes, he cuts him off. Hogan's 170 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:37.960 like running wild for a second. He cuts him off 171 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.080 and choke slams him. It came right back to me 172 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:41.720 watching it preparing for this episode. I'm sure we went 173 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:44.120 nuts about it when we did WrestleMania eight ten years 174 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:45.840 ago in the archives as part of the thirty week 175 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.720 WrestleMania Journey. That that that's where your heart sinks as 176 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.799 Holk the maniacurate, oh fuckes like this guy just shut 177 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:53.840 Hogan down. 178 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:57.879 Yeah, it's it's a it's a very it's a petrifying 179 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:03.919 yep in that in that especially as a as a fan, 180 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:06.200 as a Hogan fan, as a as a man, as 181 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.159 I said, someone who was who was rooting for the 182 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:12.120 baby face, you know these this is essential. Uh uh, 183 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:14.120 it's it's it's like, wait a minute, what the fuck? 184 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:15.120 What the fuck? 185 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:17.679 And we act like Survivor Series ninety six is kind 186 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:19.879 of like the first time that that rabid fan base 187 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:22.399 just kind of punctures through the narrative and cheers Sid 188 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:25.120 destroying the squeaky clean baby face. I'll tell you at 189 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:27.039 who's your nome, which of course is you know, the 190 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:29.919 biggest crowd Sid ever worked in front of those people. 191 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:31.639 I mean there were there were Sid rules the world 192 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:33.919 signs on the hard camera side close enough to it, 193 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:36.919 and when he choked slams Hogan. The people that want 194 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:38.960 to see a change, the people that that booed when 195 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.000 Hogan pull said out of the ninety two rumble and 196 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:43.720 almany just a few months prior, those people were there 197 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:47.200 in spirit and they were loud yes, and they were like, 198 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:50.080 this is what we want to see happened to Haul Cogan. 199 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:51.879 This is the man, this is what we want. We 200 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.120 want to see this person take. 201 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:57.399 Over and it's so amazing that, like Vince, as we 202 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:59.279 talked about last weekend, as we'll talk about this week, 203 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.519 brings in sid under the guise of Hogan's spot. Right, 204 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:04.080 Hogan's spot is available to you said, if those are 205 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:06.039 the terms that you're going to come in on, and 206 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:09.679 that of course is a babyface role. As circumstances morph, 207 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.559 he becomes a heel for the WrestleMania match. But still 208 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.000 when he turns heel is when you can hear some 209 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:19.000 of the most vocal crowd support for him replacing someone 210 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:20.840 at top of the card. If he was the top 211 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:23.960 babyface i'llah like Alex Luger, And they presented him that way, 212 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:25.480 which as we'll get to they really tried to in 213 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:28.240 the early stages of him is said Justice Justice. The 214 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:31.360 reason they gave him that name was it's a babyface name. Remember, 215 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:33.000 he's going to come to bring justice to the World 216 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.519 Wrestling Federation, right exactly. He was going to do on 217 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:39.679 behalf of hul Cogan. But it's after that, it's when 218 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.279 he starts with the black trunks and just destroying people 219 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:45.200 that you actually hear a crowd reaction tant him out 220 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:47.320 to someone that could be top of the card. The 221 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:49.440 said Justice who came in before turning Hill was not 222 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.320 top of the card necessarily. I mean, certainly he would 223 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:55.039 have been in main events, but I don't think anyone 224 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:58.039 would have thirsted for him to succeed as much as 225 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.360 they as much as that Voe local subculture of fans 226 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.679 did if he remained a face and an ally of 227 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.080 Hulk Cochin through that time. But as we'll get to 228 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:08.279 is very quickly, the bloom was off the rose. As 229 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:10.960 it regards Sid and WWS, I do. 230 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:12.799 Want to say too, uh. You know, there was the 231 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:16.480 question and the actually made me think so regarding Bo 232 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:21.360 his twin brother, when you know when he was in WCW, 233 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:23.720 was he was Bow Bow vicious? 234 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:29.759 I didn't, no he I mean I had the Galub 235 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:34.159 Sid but yeah, but I played with the Galube Sid 236 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.919 as Sid Justice the w W a wrestler, and I 237 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:41.480 played with the two Sid Justice has bros. As like 238 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:44.399 a separate tag team. I see it was as if 239 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:46.559 it wasn't as if one half of the Justice Brothers 240 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:49.000 was the guy who wrestled Hulk Cochin and WrestleMania eight 241 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.639 that for some reason was the said vicious Galube. I see, 242 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:53.360 which we failed to mention last week. By the way, 243 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:56.120 are you aware that there's a UK sid galube with 244 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:59.080 with with a pink sing glead on. Yes, I've seen it. 245 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.759 I mean, fucking hell, boss, it's crazy. What what what's 246 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.120 going on over there? I know, I know, Josh, the 247 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:10.639 figure the UK, the UK glubs are are really remarkable. 248 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:11.679 And then we had a lot of them. They have 249 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:13.879 the free birds, they had a lot of ones. We 250 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:18.279 didn't get Dustin Dustin Rhoades, you know, just a whole 251 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.320 line of And there's a pink sid looking at me 252 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.480 the other day on my Google search, like what. 253 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:26.919 It's not okay. It's not okay that you couldn't access. 254 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:28.320 That, right, it's not okay that I had no idea 255 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.639 until this age that it existed, and that right, I 256 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:34.039 had not a prayer pre Internet of ever getting my 257 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:34.559 hands on it. 258 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:37.519 Yeah. Never, you never would have been able to, like, 259 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:38.039 you know. 260 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:40.639 That's another thing, by the way, in twenty years, nobody's 261 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:42.039 going to look up something and say, oh my god, 262 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:44.720 that existed. I had no idea, yep, because you always 263 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:46.039 have an idea the world. 264 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:48.679 That's right, there's nothing special and. 265 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:51.120 Things are manufactured with that knowledge in mind. Things just 266 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:53.840 things are marketed with the knowledge that every single person 267 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:55.960 whoever might want to buy this is going to be 268 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:59.000 sort of micro targeted from an advertising and marketing perspective. 269 00:12:59.039 --> 00:12:59.159 You know. 270 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:00.480 Yep, it's like you're. 271 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:01.879 Gonna know about it because they know the age you 272 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:03.720 have to be to care about this new figure that 273 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.440 they're rolling out, because they come out with figures based 274 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:10.879 on studies of like, yes, who has the biggest propensity 275 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.919 to spend? Who who's aged into actually having an income 276 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.240 to afford fucking one hundred and fifty dollars action figures? 277 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:17.039 So ridiculous. 278 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:19.240 We're a very strange place, boss, And I don't know 279 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:20.759 what the other side of it looks like, but going 280 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:22.840 through it is a very strange, strange situation. 281 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:26.039 So then I actually wanted one more thing about the 282 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:30.639 the Bo Justice Brothers. So obviously there was no then 283 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:33.679 there was no Psycho Sid. There was no like Biko 284 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:39.120 Biko by Bo or something. Now you know, there wasn't Bow. Yeah, yeah, 285 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:42.159 it's a great point. I didn't bother to update, Like 286 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:44.440 when I played with my SID toys, even in ninety six, 287 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.919 I was still thinking about Sid Justice in WWF and 288 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:50.360 Sid vicious and ww artists not thinking that Psycho Sid 289 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:52.879 I was not slotting them that way in anyway. Someone 290 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:54.960 made a great point, and we'll get to a feedback 291 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:57.080 episod eventually because people are writing great letters about Sid. 292 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:59.080 We're seeing them and we're loving them. Just in case 293 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.679 you're wondering, and please send your recollections on his the 294 00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:03.679 meaning of his career to the lapsed fan at gmail 295 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:04.120 dot com. 296 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:07.360 But a great point. I mean, Hogan, the first Hogan 297 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:09.559 Hasbro had the same body slam motion that the Sid 298 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.360 Hasbro had. Yes, but for Hogan it was a body slam, 299 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.120 and for Sid it's a power bomb. Yes, and that's 300 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.080 problematic to me, Yes it is. It is definitely problematic. 301 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.279 There's no there's no question about that. It's but that's 302 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:23.879 what they did. 303 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:26.080 I mean, and I do believe even that the that 304 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:28.440 the arms are actually the same too, They're the same 305 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.080 right arm mold I bet. 306 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:33.480 I mean, I'm thinking about it. That probably was the 307 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:35.559 best body type for Sid though of all the Hasbro 308 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:36.200 body types. 309 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:39.720 Uh oh yeah, I think so. I think it would 310 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:45.120 have been. It wouldn't have been as good had you know, 311 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:49.080 I can't imagine another I mean, I guess, yeah, no, 312 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:52.879 not even like one of the I was trying to 313 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:55.000 think of, like in terms of picking up someone in 314 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:59.240 the power bomb with that, you know, with a figure 315 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:03.080 like I suppose you could do it with the with 316 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:07.120 the arm with the spring in it, the spring loaded arm. Yeah, 317 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:09.639 but I still don't think it would have been as 318 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:12.720 like it really worked with him. I thought he, I 319 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:16.120 may Sid do great power bombs with the Hasbro one 320 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:17.039 before his head fell off. 321 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:19.440 And the reason we thirsted for that Hasbro this run, 322 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:22.399 as short as it was, this run and as much 323 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:25.440 more meaningful to his career accomplishments his ninety six ninety seven, 324 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:28.480 ninety seven run was I was on go ninety eight 325 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.480 that to stop myself. This, even though it was much 326 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:34.000 more truncated, you know, was the run that burned him 327 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:36.639 into fans' minds in such a way that he could 328 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:39.200 come back and be an impact player. Yes, in ninety 329 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:43.279 five and in ninety six. So we have to, really, 330 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.960 I think, take our time and observe what exactly happened 331 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:47.720 here with Sid in such a short period of time 332 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:50.679 to have basically you know, caught fire to where he 333 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:52.360 would just be able to write his own check for 334 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:54.440 the rest of his life. I mean what he did 335 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:56.039 come back in ninety five, he was sort of, as 336 00:15:56.080 --> 00:15:57.799 he put it, on the whipping post, there was sort 337 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.600 of like a tail between my legs because I stabbed 338 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.759 narn Anderson. You know, there's nowhere else for me to 339 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:05.440 make big money in the business kind of situation. But 340 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:07.240 it is only a matter of time before he was 341 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:09.639 on top again. You know, that's the thing about Sid 342 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:11.679 like he knows that even if you come in trying 343 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:14.879 to slot him below, eventually something's gonna happen where you've 344 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:16.840 got to push a guy that looks like that, right 345 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:19.320 of course, if you're working for Vince mcmannon. But you know, 346 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:21.679 the same thing went for WCW as well when he 347 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:25.039 came in to WCW after the late nineties run. But 348 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:28.000 you know, it's funny. It seems so far away the 349 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:30.679 episode of RO nineteen ninety seven that we structured this 350 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:33.159 tribute show around. We will get there, we assure you, 351 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:35.360 But as always, Ta Left takes its fucking time. 352 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:36.320 Yes, it's right. 353 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:39.480 Let's sit there and you will fold your hands and 354 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:43.120 you will listen while class is in session, and you'll 355 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:47.519 keep your fucking mouth shut. In terms of any other suggestions. Sid, 356 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.600 Sid's the fucking teacher, okay in this one. Yeah, exactly. 357 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:53.679 We're going about this tribute show precisely as Sid would 358 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:56.360 go about anything in his life, exactly, dictating all terms 359 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:59.799 at all times and threatening to leave if anybody makes 360 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:00.480 a dank ors. 361 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:03.960 And also listen, he's keeping a very close eye on 362 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:05.960 the Viennas and. 363 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:08.680 We will not hesitate to disappear and play softball if 364 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:10.400 you piss us off either, So keep that in mind. 365 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:13.039 But yeah, in terms of the Viennas, I mean people 366 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:15.640 people forget about the Vienna's is that it's it's a 367 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:16.720 quid pro quote system. 368 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:20.119 You sent my church a case Vienna sausages and I 369 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:21.759 sent him an autograph picture. 370 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:27.119 Right that on a Sean Moody interview where he gave 371 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:30.519 a shout out to some guy in Pennsylvania, he gives 372 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:32.680 his almost exact address on the air in his full. 373 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:37.119 Name, such a he sent my church a case of 374 00:17:37.200 --> 00:17:40.680 Vienna sausages, and I sent him an autograph picture. 375 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:43.880 A case of Vienna's. 376 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:47.279 So I think you text if I'm not mistaken, when 377 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:49.039 you texted me a picture of Viennas, that was you 378 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:52.400 in in the supermarket I was in the supermarket. You're 379 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:55.279 not the only person in this position after our part one. Huh, 380 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:57.839 tell him the story. You're not the only person in 381 00:17:57.920 --> 00:17:59.079 this position after our part one. 382 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:01.920 So I'm just I'm walking through the I'm walking through 383 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.519 the grocery store and uh and all. And you know, 384 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:07.960 it's like, I never really, I never noticed them before. 385 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:12.759 I never noticed Vienna sausages before at all. But you know, 386 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:16.119 I'm in whatever canned food section that that that the 387 00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:19.359 viennas are in, and I'm like, holy shit, look at 388 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:23.039 them all. There's so many. It's a key form of sustidence. 389 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:26.559 I guess it is not my sustenance. But we have 390 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:27.359 these these. 391 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:30.000 Pop top events at the church. Oh my god, somebody 392 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:32.720 in the solar system, you know, actually found like the 393 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:35.000 church is listing for the food drive, and Sid was 394 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:38.319 constantly referencing his church in Memphis there. It's just amazing 395 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:40.680 that it came down to so many viennas. Still have 396 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:43.359 in my mind that sort of like relief painting of 397 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:48.559 him looking forlornly on a full garage of undelivered viennas 398 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:50.480 at three point thirty in the morning, realizing what this 399 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:51.599 means and what he has to. 400 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:55.720 Do next, hands and his hips, just staring at them. 401 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:58.599 Pasture, his hands hanging by his side. Almost, he's almost 402 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:01.000 he's almost christ Like on the cross, you know, with 403 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.720 a hung head. You know, the hands aren't up, the 404 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.400 hands are down, but the head is similar and that 405 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:09.200 it's kind of bowed and and sort of you. 406 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:12.799 Know, so depressed, so angry. Yeah, just he's just he 407 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:15.880 just realized, I'm sure of what to do with all 408 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:16.759 these Vienna's. 409 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:20.160 He's unsure. He just knows that now he's got to 410 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:23.799 really ramp up the pressure to get these now, you know. 411 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:25.880 He he you know, we told himself he wouldn't have 412 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:28.000 to it wouldn't have to come to this, right. 413 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:31.440 He trusted Frank, He said, my church a case of 414 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:34.720 Vienna sausages, and I sent him an autograph picture. 415 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:36.759 Kind of pissed that we missed the opportunity to get 416 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:37.680 an autograph picture. 417 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:40.440 That's true. If I if I had known all it 418 00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:44.400 took was sending Vienna sausages, I would have I would 419 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:44.759 have done that. 420 00:19:46.799 --> 00:19:48.559 Certainly would have kept him for myself. I can tell 421 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.160 you that much package of crackers, ball water. That's how 422 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:55.440 he says it. Oh my God, and the moon pile 423 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:56.440 or oatmeal. 424 00:19:56.119 --> 00:20:01.960 Pie poon, tang pile, the whole fucking thing. Shit. 425 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:04.240 So the challenge is out. I led with this for 426 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:07.920 a reason. If anybody in the Solar system can find 427 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:11.400 me an isolated clip from WWF television where they refer 428 00:20:11.480 --> 00:20:14.079 to him as the revolutionary one or the revolution or 429 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:19.079 even say the word revolutionary about Sid, well we'll figure 430 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:21.119 out some kind of Maybe we'll send you some viennas. 431 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:23.960 I don't know your box of viennas, definitely give you 432 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:28.680 a shout out, because I was sort of like animated 433 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:32.160 by the possibility that if I went through Sid's WWF run, 434 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:34.039 especially this first one, which is where it had to 435 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:35.359 have come from, because I remember. 436 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:37.279 Saying, I thought you actually said to me once that 437 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:39.519 it came from his final WCW run. 438 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:41.559 That wouldn't make any sense because I was calling him 439 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:42.559 the revolutionary when I was a. 440 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:45.920 Little kid, no kidding, all right, because I always remember 441 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:48.359 you putting it because he was something having to do 442 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:50.079 with the fact that he was what the millennium man 443 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:52.039 or something like that, he was the millennium man, yep. 444 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:54.720 And then because then I have him, you know, if 445 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:59.279 you remember in my uh I actually started calling Sid 446 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:02.960 in In No Mercy. He you know, I had a 447 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:05.880 a created version of six because they didn't have him 448 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:09.720 in the game, and I listed him as the revolutionary 449 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:15.799 Sid Justice. And but then, but then I also made 450 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.160 a version of him. You could, you can make four versions, 451 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:22.880 remember on one on one body. And so I created 452 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:25.799 a version of him wearing the singlet from w CW 453 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.319 and I called him the pre revolutionary Sid Vicious. 454 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:37.759 It was before you were right, when this was still 455 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:42.279 a Commonwealth we still answered to the British crown. 456 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:43.480 That's right. 457 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.000 Yeah, that that was the UK Glube one, the pre 458 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:50.119 revolutionary one. 459 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:52.119 That's right. It's exactly what it was. 460 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:58.440 Just you know, I thought revolutionary. I thought I would 461 00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:00.559 stumble upon it. I thought I thought it'd stumble upon 462 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:02.599 a thread I could pull going back through his run 463 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:05.200 for this tribute episode where I could finally isolate where 464 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:06.599 he was called the revolutionary one. 465 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:08.680 And I couldn't do it. I didn't find it. So 466 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:10.720 we turn it over to I bet it's on some 467 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:13.359 you know, episode of like Superstars or something. Had to 468 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:17.319 be and I felt like it was said. I felt 469 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:18.960 like it was said in a positive tone, So it 470 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:21.240 had to be when he was a Babyface. Yeah, yeah, 471 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:22.960 so there you go. 472 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:26.119 The gauntlet's been laid down on the on the revolutionary front. 473 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:29.319 As it regards our old pal Sid, We're here to 474 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:33.720 figure out what his career meant. And you know, do 475 00:22:33.880 --> 00:22:36.359 what we do here when we lose somebody that's a 476 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:39.960 core memory to the cast of characters that set us 477 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:43.599 on this irretrievable road of wrestling obsession for the rest 478 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:45.160 of our lives. No matter what it is we try 479 00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:47.960 to do to to regulate it or mitigate it, we 480 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:51.240 keep coming back to this true north of the Hasbro 481 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:53.079 era and Sid played a huge part in that. And 482 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:55.160 we're about to hear in the pages of the in 483 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:59.160 House magazine what, among the other things we'll be talking 484 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:02.680 about on this episode, the WWF soft fit to communicate 485 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:04.839 about Sid, how they wanted us to feel about Sid. 486 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:08.200 And somewhere in New Hampshire, the boss Man was sitting 487 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:10.720 down with this magazine and I'm sure. 488 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:10.960 I was too. 489 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:14.000 Well, as you read it, perhaps I'll get familiar taking 490 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:15.559 in I will. 491 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:18.599 So this is this is the interview. So I'm going 492 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:20.200 to need you to read. Oh, this is one of 493 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:22.319 those Q and as. Yeah, this is a Q and 494 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:25.119 a thing okay, great, Yeah, we still love those. It's 495 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:25.559 so great. 496 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:28.559 I used to read those with so much intent intent. 497 00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:30.559 All right, so they're numbered, I see. 498 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:31.000 There we go. 499 00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:35.519 Yeah, talk with Sid Justice WWF interview And this again 500 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:38.599 is decemmer to anyone, decemmer to any one at the 501 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:41.559 Survivor series. Sid Justice will have the opportunity to settle 502 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:43.640 this differences with Jake the Snake once and for all. 503 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.160 Now I'm going to constantly interrupt myself and interrupt you, 504 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:49.119 as everybody knows, that match didn't happen. 505 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:53.200 Did not happen? Well yeah, well you know it wasn't 506 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:54.680 supposed to be one on one. It was supposed to 507 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:58.720 be Sid captaining the team of Big boss Man and 508 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:03.559 legiing to Doom against Jake Irwin and the natural Disasters. 509 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:05.759 And who ended up replacing Sid and said match none. 510 00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:08.880 They just they it went down to being a three 511 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:11.839 on three excellent, which is the only time it's ever 512 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.279 Tarvisary's history it's been a six man tag instead of 513 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:18.160 an eight or a five man massive. Yeah, as massive 514 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.240 as I never knew that either. I never knew that 515 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:22.200 Sid that that that they kind of because he had 516 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:24.359 it was like a he broke his arm or something 517 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:26.880 torn bicep, SID torn by set and he did it. 518 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.160 If I'm putting the post pieces together quickly in a 519 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:32.400 match against Jake Roberts. It was not a fan of Sids, 520 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:35.720 and the feeling was mutual. The feeling was very much mutual. 521 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:39.200 So it's really rich that we start with that truncated 522 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:42.839 or a plan that wasn't one of the w w 523 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:45.799 F getting its taste of signing up Sid to the 524 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:49.200 big bucks. And then he's on the shelf almost in course. 525 00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:52.720 It's not a damn it son of a bitch. 526 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:55.839 Tore my boss set. But I'm a d H so 527 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:57.640 I can still play softball. 528 00:24:58.039 --> 00:24:59.680 Wait a minute, what do you mean softball? 529 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:01.200 I'm just I'm just a d H. 530 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:02.880 D H. 531 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:10.359 I don't understand what what a d d H? Drivers? 532 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:14.200 Drivers go ahead? Uh uh what are you gonna say? 533 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:16.400 Driver? Driver's hymen? Is that what you're saying? 534 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:25.680 Oh, that's one way to refer to driving school designated 535 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:26.079 to hit? 536 00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:29.960 What I mean to hit? 537 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:31.119 What? Uh? 538 00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:38.200 Am a softball professional ship? We choose me? You're I 539 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:41.720 don't know about that, but you are immediately he immediately 540 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:43.960 takes that away from him, just like calling j r 541 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:46.359 or whatever somewhat of a journalist. 542 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:49.359 Can't help get that word in there. 543 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:54.680 I mean, I know you are a professional entertainer, you know, 544 00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:56.200 working for the w w E. But I don't know 545 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.400 about this this softball thing. I mean, obviously you're you're injured, 546 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:03.799 but it doesn't and you can go play other childish games. 547 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:12.480 That doesn't mean you can go play other childish games. 548 00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.119 WWE. It's a childish game, right, other right. 549 00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:22.640 In addition to this one said in the Snake are 550 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:26.160 eagerly anticipating this impending pay per view showdown? Do you 551 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:28.160 remember caring about that? Do you remember caring about Sid 552 00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:29.119 getting his hands on Jake. 553 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.839 I did no clue at that time. No clue. My 554 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:35.960 fan and forget my fandom started the week before amazing 555 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:40.039 Survivor series, so I had no clue about this whole thing. 556 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.480 And how phenomenal is it that we sit here ten 557 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:45.119 years on and in many ways we're re visiting our 558 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.079 very first episode in that time period. Yes, that's very true. 559 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:50.119 Summer Slam ninety one where Sid comes on pay per 560 00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:52.519 view for the first time a special referee, and then 561 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.640 it's the postmatch scenario where Liz and Randy Savage are 562 00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:59.720 having their reception or whatever the hell it was. Yeah, 563 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:02.720 because get married on the show. And then this, you know, 564 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:05.839 Jake sees fit to deliver a snake to them as 565 00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:06.480 a wedding president. 566 00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:11.160 And it's Sid right that comes to save the day, 567 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:17.119 uh and help out against the undertaker, and and and Jake. 568 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:19.559 That's when they obviously still an invited. 569 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:24.200 Guest of despite being a brand new, brand new to 570 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.240 the company, he's an invited guest to the wedding reception 571 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:29.839 of Brandy and Elizabeth. 572 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:32.759 I wonder if they dared tell us even maybe just 573 00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.599 once that you know their ties biden quite a bit. 574 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.880 Remember from part one it was Sid striking up a 575 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:41.799 conversation with Randy Savage so they could play off that 576 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.279 they have some history together. But yeah, I don't think 577 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.240 they did. I'm sure they didn't, but there you go. 578 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.119 Jake was kind of the setup man to get Sid 579 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:51.680 going as the at the top, as one of the 580 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.359 top baby faces in the company. So that's that's an 581 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:59.720 interesting what if that never never materialized. By the time 582 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.880 he was back, they were thinking he'll already apparently, uh, 583 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.680 Sid and the snake or igler anticipating guests the editors 584 00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.400 here at WWF Magazine recently caught up with Justice. He 585 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:10.400 told us how he felt about the snake. He told 586 00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:11.759 us how he felt about. 587 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:12.359 This River series. 588 00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:14.640 In fact, he told us everything that we and our 589 00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:17.599 readers wanted to know about himself. So, without any further ado, 590 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:22.960 WWF Magazine brings you this interview with Sid Justice. Sid, 591 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:26.200 let's talk about the macho man in Miss Elizabeth's ms 592 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:29.839 Dot Miss Elizabeth's wedding reception for a moment, as you recall, 593 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.279 Jake the snake crashed the wedding reception and menaced Elizabeth 594 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.039 with a venomous Asian cobra. Thank goodness for you. Had 595 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.319 it not been for your timely intervention, there is no 596 00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:40.480 telling what might have happened. Can you tell us what 597 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:42.559 was going through your mind when you saw the snake 598 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.599 with the serpent in his hands, intimidating Miss Elizabeth? Matcho, 599 00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:51.240 that's what it says, okay, Miss ms Dot Elizabeth, Macho. 600 00:28:55.279 --> 00:29:01.119 Right was gone through my mind. I guess who deserves 601 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:05.920 another man who destroys another man's wedding party must be 602 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:10.200 lower than dung in my mind, and I'm sure in 603 00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:13.680 the minds of millions of people Jake Roberts, is that 604 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:18.559 type of man well at the Survivor series. Jake Roberts, 605 00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.519 you are gonna see what type of man Sit Justice is. 606 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:27.440 You're gonna see what sit Justice stands for. 607 00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:29.000 You. 608 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.319 Lucky, Jake Roberts, You were lucky you left that wedding 609 00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:36.559 reception when you did, because Ah was inches away from 610 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:40.880 busting you upen like a million. He looks like I'll 611 00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.079 get my chance at the Survivor series in a few weeks. 612 00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:49.400 I can't believe the syntax of the sentence. Not what 613 00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:53.960 do you think your strategy will be? Instead? What do 614 00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:57.000 you think will be your strategy? We listen, We're gonna 615 00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:58.599 do it in proper English. What do you think will 616 00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:02.359 be your strategy moving forward in the WB and regarding 617 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:07.000 this potential, we have to cut the second half of 618 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:08.480 that for space. I just hope it's okay. 619 00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:21.720 H m hm. Straight ahead, Jake Roberts. I can assure 620 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:26.599 you this off will be coming after you and you only. 621 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.480 I don't care about anybody else on your team. You 622 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:34.960 are my only concern. AH will give you the pain 623 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:39.160 that you gave the Macho men, Elizabeth, but I'll give 624 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:40.319 it to you tenfold. 625 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.440 It sounds as if you're out to seek retribution on 626 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:43.599 behalf of the MACHOs? 627 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.279 Are we right behalf of the MACHOs? 628 00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:47.359 It says it man. 629 00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:54.680 Randy Savage is a man of pride. He is a 630 00:30:54.880 --> 00:31:00.160 man who values and protects his family. He's a man 631 00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:07.119 whom I trust. He's a friend. Unfortunately, because of some 632 00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:12.319 bureaucredit garbage coming out of WW President Jack Tunny's offices, 633 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:17.559 he hasn't been reinstated as a WW superstar. That doesn't 634 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.599 mean he can't take care of the snake at the 635 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.759 present time. Well, that means he can't take care of 636 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:28.079 the snake at the present day. We're live, said, what 637 00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.720 can we do that again? Please a ship? Yeah, so, 638 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:34.400 as Randy Savage's friend ah Am seeking revenge for him 639 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:38.480 and his wife, he can't do it, but sid justice will. 640 00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:40.960 That's loyalty. These days, it's rare to see loyalty and 641 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.480 real friendship and professional athletics. It seems to us that 642 00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:45.599 said justice just maybe cut from a different cloth. 643 00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:48.680 I guess it has to do with my upbringing. You know, 644 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.720 I was raised on a farm in West Memphis, Arkansas, 645 00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.000 by my grandfather, who fortunately was stricken with polio. He 646 00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.519 taught me many things my grandfather did. He taught me 647 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.559 many things my grandfather did. He taught me to respect 648 00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:08.559 everyone around me, because that's the best way to get respect. 649 00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:13.079 He also taught me to help people who need help. 650 00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:19.279 Because of people you help today might be helping you tomorrow. 651 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:21.279 I's a father. 652 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:26.759 My grandfather knows all about that, because all the livestock 653 00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.759 he raises and all the vegetables he grows help hungry 654 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.720 people survive every day of the week. 655 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:40.519 Randy Savage needs my help. His wife needs my help. 656 00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:49.279 Jake Roberts, Jake Roberts needs a major beating, and you 657 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:54.000 are looking at the man who deliver it. At the 658 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:55.160 Striver Series. 659 00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:56.559 That may very well be the case. 660 00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:56.759 Sid. 661 00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.599 However, even you must realize that Roberts is a snake 662 00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.599 at heart. He's unpredictable, he's untrustworthy. He's the type of 663 00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.319 man who will feign an injury in the ring and 664 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.559 then strike, and then strike when you least expected. At 665 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:11.000 the Survivors Series, he'll be captaining three other athletes. It's 666 00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:13.240 possible that he could send his teammates into battle and 667 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:14.720 wait for his chance to cut you down. 668 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.599 Are you aware of this? I'm aware of it, and 669 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:21.960 I'm prepared for it. It's true. Roberts is his snake 670 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:26.480 at heart, and he's capable of anything. Most men would 671 00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:29.559 be frightened knowing the fact. But sit justice is the 672 00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:34.680 top of man who fears no man said, justice is 673 00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:39.960 the top of man through fierce, no snake, Jake Roberts, 674 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.519 your sins can never be forgiven by anybody. So, Jake 675 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:49.279 Roberts at the Survivor series, there is only one solution, 676 00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:54.119 and that is justice will be served. 677 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.000 We thank you very much for your time. 678 00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:59.279 Sid He Wrestling podcast. 679 00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:16.440 He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and can. 680 00:34:18.440 --> 00:34:21.599 You see It's Real Simple. That's one of his favorites. 681 00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:24.000 See It's real simple. 682 00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.960 I like the biographical sketch in there about his father 683 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:30.000 and polio and all that. See, they're trying to get 684 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.480 him across as somebody that you know is from humble beginning, 685 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:35.719 somebody who knows right from wrong. 686 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.280 That the thing appreciates justice. 687 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:40.280 He appreciates justice, the thing Vince, the many things Vince 688 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.000 wants to believe about an American hero. Even though the 689 00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.320 tide was turning as the eighties became the nineties, I believe. 690 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:51.880 That I am a a living, breathing example of justice 691 00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:53.639 being served. Wow you think so? 692 00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.920 Doesn't that remain to be seen? What doesn't that remain 693 00:34:59.000 --> 00:34:59.400 to be seen? 694 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:03.199 I am Listen, I am I am just and I 695 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:04.920 am Ice. 696 00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:18.760 That's fucking sick Just plus Ice. Well, I'll tell you. 697 00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:22.119 If there's justice in this world, the types of which SID, 698 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.800 the types of which SID Justice promised to bring to 699 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.960 the World Wrestling Federation in nineteen ninety one, then our 700 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.280 good pal Gabe is going to continue, Oh yes, to 701 00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:34.320 receive the outpouring of support from the TLF Solar system 702 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:34.920 that thus far. 703 00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.559 Are sending you the cover of the magazine to look 704 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:39.280 at Oh God, that is. 705 00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:41.840 Oh look at him. 706 00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:42.719 Look at him. 707 00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:44.519 He looks ready to fucking go. 708 00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:45.360 Oh yeah. 709 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:47.159 But he's got an intensity in his eyes that doesn't 710 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.519 say crazy. It says no, like you don't want to 711 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:53.800 face me down in a saloon somewhere right exactly. You 712 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.440 don't want this smoke And he knew how to roll 713 00:35:56.480 --> 00:36:00.760 a fat blunt, as Tracy Smothers told us. Yeah, Gabe, 714 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.519 the support is real, and we want to send another 715 00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:08.280 reminder this week that one of the truest, bluest, longest standing, 716 00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.679 most tenured most real members of the Solar System needs 717 00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:15.159 our help as he faces an intense heart surgery coming 718 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.280 up next month and it's going to do a number 719 00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:20.840 on the household finances his wife and child, and so 720 00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:22.880 we're seeking to help. We've done what we can. Many 721 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:24.800 in the Solar System have done what you can as well, 722 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:26.960 But just a reminder, if you're sort of on the fence, 723 00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.679 if you didn't hear the call, please consider helping Gabe 724 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:32.679 out so that it's as the stress is as mitigated 725 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:36.119 as much as possible going into such an intense surgery 726 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:37.599 like this. The best way to do it, since the 727 00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.599 go fund me you URLs tend to be kind of choppy, 728 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.480 is just google Gabe yoakum that's Gabe last name, yo 729 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.719 cum go fund me and you'll see it, and you'll 730 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:51.559 see donations from many members of the Solar System. I 731 00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:54.760 suppose several of the anonymous donors that came to the 732 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.360 table after we did the shout out on our last 733 00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:01.280 episode were inspired by tlfs so and gave knows you 734 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:04.159 know how many of you are and the appreciation runs deep. 735 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.840 But we feel obliged what we shared. The link to 736 00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:08.559 the gofund me as well on our ex account, So 737 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:09.920 if you scroll down a bit, you should be able 738 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.360 to see some recent retweets from us as well. But 739 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.079 please do consider helping him out. This is what it's about. 740 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.480 I mean, this is TLFX. You know, it's it's been 741 00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:20.679 a virtuous circle since the beginning. It's been a virtuous 742 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.000 circle ever since we realized when we set up the 743 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:24.639 Patreon that there are people out there that love this 744 00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:28.559 shit so much, that are so willing to say keep going, 745 00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.840 that they put money on the table, you know, that 746 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:35.639 huge right that it became from there. Okay, well, you 747 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.239 keep telling us how badly you need it, and we'll 748 00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:41.400 keep working harder, you know, spending more on things like 749 00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:45.039 research and you know, overturning every stone we possibly can, 750 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.760 and just growing and growing and growing and growing what 751 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:50.519 tlf can be. How about just creating a whole separate 752 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.639 movie podcast for patreons that, seriously, that is now an 753 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.400 indispensable part of every everyone who pledges in that denomination 754 00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:58.599 in Hire's life, as far as I can tell from 755 00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:02.199 my vantage point. So it's this is part of the ecosystem, 756 00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:04.360 This is part of the bargain, and so we call 757 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.920 on you to help Gabe in a time of need, 758 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.840 and we'll be standing here resolute in our mission to 759 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.760 support you guys with casting. That's what we can do. 760 00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:17.920 That's why you cared about us in the first place. 761 00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:19.599 That's why you will continue to care about us. That's 762 00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:21.719 the extent of what we can do is just cast 763 00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.400 and cast and cast and cast past ten years and beyond. 764 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.280 So big shout out there. Also, big shout out speaking 765 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.519 of TLFX Games to our forens at Garage Beer, Yes, 766 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.360 who have been wonderful supporters of the TLFX Games tournament, 767 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.079 which just continues to take on a life of its 768 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.800 own since we last were with you. Voting has concluded 769 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:44.119 in the second round of our initially sixty four character 770 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.880 tournament to determine who is thirty two whatever it was, 771 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:50.440 to determine the greatest character in LAPS fan history. And 772 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:51.480 it's getting tight. 773 00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:56.800 It is, it really is. It's very uh, it's very exciting. 774 00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.760 So there is this, you know you've been hearing from 775 00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:01.840 them the t l FX Games event center and Boss, 776 00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:02.599 what did you think? 777 00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:04.000 What was that? 778 00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:06.280 What do you think about the latest round? 779 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:06.719 Oh? 780 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:11.559 I was I'll tell you, I was very intrigued by 781 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.280 that there were two, that there were two battles that 782 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:22.920 were neck and neck for the whole time. You know 783 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:29.320 that it was a Vern and Andre and what should 784 00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:31.280 we call it? And uh and Jesse and the editor 785 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:37.079 unreal that was intense and Jesse winning by only like 786 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:37.760 one percent. 787 00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:41.599 Thought we let him in the debates. I mean, you 788 00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:42.960 imagine if we didn't let him in the debates, it 789 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.960 would have happened. I know, exactly. So really really getting 790 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.400 interesting as folks are now really having to decide. You know, 791 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.159 we're talking like lapsed canon heart like like folks that 792 00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:56.440 you just consider indispensable parts of the rogues gallery of 793 00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:59.679 characters that we've created organically over the years on the show. 794 00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:01.639 And I can't wait to see who ultimately crowned King 795 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:04.239 of the cast. But it has come down to lapsed 796 00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.000 bulldog who eliminated our subject at du jour. Here on 797 00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.480 the Streak Show, we talked about how loud I. 798 00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:11.000 Wonder I see That's what I was saying, you know, 799 00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:12.960 we were talking about when we were recording the episode. 800 00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:16.880 I do wonder if Vienna's would have would have helped Sid. 801 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:18.360 Yeah, it's term. 802 00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:21.239 Didn't drop before before it changed. 803 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.000 It certainly appeared that Sid's passing did help him advance 804 00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:26.760 in the first round, where he had I believe initially 805 00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.079 was losing in the polling. As a reminder, by the way, 806 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.079 if you don't know we're talking about, if you follow 807 00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:33.159 us on exit the lapsed fan, you two will get 808 00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:35.239 your chance. We open up the polls for everybody to vote, 809 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:36.599 and we leave it open for a few days and 810 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:38.840 just let the chips fall where they may, match up 811 00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:42.320 by matchup, and the surprises are starting to trickle in. 812 00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:44.639 That first round was pretty predictable. There were maybe one 813 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.519 or two surprises, but in terms of not who won, 814 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:49.599 but how close certain matchups were. Now it's getting to 815 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.960 be like you said, watching sweating Andre versus Vern down 816 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.079 to the wire. Yeah, there are fans out there like 817 00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:57.880 fuck that No Vern fans like no fuck that Andre, 818 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.119 and you can see them pushing each other back and 819 00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:03.480 forth as the as the percentage totals change, and. 820 00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:05.800 I do I do find it very interesting too that 821 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:09.440 it was Jesse fighting the media. You know, that's what 822 00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:11.559 that's what he was doing. He was fighting the media, 823 00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.880 and I wanted it was probably holding me back the 824 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.159 whole damn time, right, you know, I'm shitting here saying, hey, 825 00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.239 you know what, I'm not only king of the cash, 826 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.400 I'm king of the country. It's about time I triumph 827 00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.880 over the media. It's about damn time I did triumph 828 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.280 over some form of media. No telling what the lapse 829 00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:29.920 editor is going to go back to his office and 830 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:32.119 plot now that he's out of the X Games. Of 831 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.920 course that's for future development perhaps. So we've got Nash, 832 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:37.400 We've got Andre, We've got Jesse, We've got Helen Hart, 833 00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.320 who was a late addition after folks pointed out her 834 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:43.760 omission from the initial slate, which is amazing. Laps Dusty, 835 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:46.239 laps Hogan and lapsed Vince, who will it come down to? 836 00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.639 Your chance to decide is coming quite soon, I mean 837 00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.519 Hogan and Vince Like this is you know you're looking 838 00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.960 at you got to look at at Vince's trajectory here. Yeah, okay, 839 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:04.639 this is fascinating. He beats his best friend in round one, 840 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:09.599 he beats his biggest money maker in round two, and 841 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.960 now he's set the square off with his probably biggest 842 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:14.599 overall superstar. 843 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.440 Yep, you know there's there's poetry happening here. There is 844 00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:23.760 poetry happening. Yes, And we look forward to seeing how 845 00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:25.800 it shakes out. Somehow I feel like it. No matter 846 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:27.320 how it shakes out, it's going to shake out just 847 00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:29.480 as it should have. Yes, it's going to end up 848 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:31.480 making all the sense in the world when we make 849 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.159 the final assessment. But your chance to decide who will 850 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:35.599 be the king of the cast? Who is the greatest 851 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.679 character in tlf history After ten years of casting the 852 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:41.800 fuck out of this shit, you get the chance to decide. 853 00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:44.440 So keep your ears locked to our feed for another 854 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.920 round of Sean Mooney and the TLFX Games Events Center 855 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:49.320 as he goes through the next round of matchups, and 856 00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:51.239 here from the participants, and you make the decision. You 857 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:53.400 hear from both sides. It is election season, after all, 858 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.559 that is true, and the candidates are on the stump. 859 00:42:56.719 --> 00:43:00.559 They're on the stump. And so again TLFX Games going strong, 860 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.039 thanks to everyone who made it happen, including our friends 861 00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:06.559 over at a garage beer and you talk about Vince, 862 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:12.000 You talk about serendipity, you talk about his trajectory, You 863 00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:13.760 talk about the people he's beating in the X Games 864 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.679 being so illustrative of the ways he came up in 865 00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:18.679 the world and in business and in the wrestling industry. 866 00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.840 And by the time many of you hear this, the 867 00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:26.440 Netflix documentary series on Vince McMahon, the long awaited Bill 868 00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:30.079 Simmons project on Vince McMahon, will have been out into 869 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:35.280 the atmosphere in the ether and we want to do something. 870 00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:41.599 We're going to do something. At the very least we've 871 00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:46.920 been informed Boston nasal Gas is on the case. I'm 872 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:47.599 not surprised. 873 00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.519 I mean, I imagine that anytime something like this is 874 00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:52.719 going on, that he is, you know, he's trying to 875 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.440 He's trying to get that, you know, get get get 876 00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:56.519 a call in at some point. 877 00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:00.239 Absolutely. I mean, he's the one that's been my finding 878 00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:03.079 the facts most closely about not only Vince's outer monologue, 879 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.920 not only his public record, but his private inner monologue, 880 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.079 his private inner record. And we know this over the 881 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:12.199 years as part of KLFX in This American work and 882 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.000 the occasional series were nasaled despite his best efforts. Only 883 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:19.079 occasionally can surface Lapsed Vince for a series of testimonials 884 00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:21.840 about his life and times. The episodes, such as they've 885 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:24.559 happened to date, are all available on the Lapsed Fans 886 00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.119 YouTube page if you check them out. This American work 887 00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:29.039 is Vince when we thought he was retired and not 888 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:33.800 under as much scrutiny perhaps as he is today pre 889 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:34.400 being sued. 890 00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:42.639 I'm scrutiny now I'm being scrutinized. I'm pleasant, I'm content. 891 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.239 I'm exactly where I knew I would be, and that 892 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:55.840 is right on top, always end forever. Yeah. 893 00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:58.719 Yeah, if we had the reigns of the Netflix series, 894 00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:02.760 you better believe that's what we title. And I have 895 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:04.760 the feeling by all the time, all of a sudden done, 896 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.920 Vince will not be taking an l here. Okay, that's 897 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.239 not ever where the spark money is. But we're gonna 898 00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:13.679 We're gonna find out, and Nasal Gas is on the case. 899 00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:16.840 So do also no promises in terms of when and what, 900 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.880 but when Nasal is ready to report out, you will 901 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:21.639 be the first to hear it here in the TF 902 00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:26.159 Solar System as part of our recurring series this American Work. 903 00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:29.440 And as mentioned when before Vince was sued by Janelle Grant, 904 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:33.480 Nasal had much more success sitting him down or reflect 905 00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:36.559 on his life and times and the extent to which 906 00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:40.000 those were successful. Connections are evident as mentioned in our 907 00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.920 YouTube page. But just no, just know that we're paying 908 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:44.440 close attention. 909 00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:45.079 We're listening to. 910 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:48.559 Every word, We're observing every turn of phrase, every turn 911 00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:52.480 of narrative, and we'll hone in. We'll hone in on 912 00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:54.840 the in betweens, We'll hone in the unspoken moments. We'll 913 00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.400 hone in on the the rushes to judgment, perhaps the 914 00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.679 leaps of narrow that perhaps you can expect in a 915 00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:03.639 series like this, as robust as it appears to be. 916 00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:05.280 I think it's going to be like six hours long, 917 00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:07.400 but you're going to hear this. It's going to be 918 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.159 out there. It's what's everyone's going to be talking about. 919 00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:11.079 And this is our message to you. Nasal is on 920 00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.719 the case also in the case of our friends at 921 00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:14.280 Chopped Teas. 922 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:16.840 Oh yeah, I mean this is fuck yeah. 923 00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:19.239 We said it last week. The ros war Jacket, in 924 00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:22.400 the style of TLF has been created, has been drafted, 925 00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.840 has been made a reality by our palaticky bird. You've 926 00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:27.199 seen it, you've worn it, you've felt it, you've tasted it, 927 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:30.199 and we want the rest of the Solar System to 928 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:31.119 taste it as well, don't we. 929 00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:37.039 Boss. Ah Yeah, listen, it's it is, it's it's what 930 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:37.920 dreams are made of. 931 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:41.519 It's whenever every lapsed fan needs for Christmas. Honestly, oh 932 00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:43.840 fuck yeah, you know you're gonna start getting those texts 933 00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:44.960 in about two months. What do you want? 934 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:45.400 What do you want? 935 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:47.960 Just send the link because we're here to announce that 936 00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:51.960 our Palticky Bird is putting together materials to make that jacket, 937 00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.320 that varsity jacket with TLF insignia available to you quite 938 00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:59.320 soon at Chopped Teas, which is the place to go 939 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:03.559 for all of you or specialized TLF swag beyond t shirts, 940 00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:07.039 things like hats and track jackets and zubaz pants and 941 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.440 fanny packs and you know, cups and shit, all that 942 00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:13.039 kind of packs. Yeah, what's up with that? 943 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:14.199 Need them? 944 00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.440 Come on now, back into play. So it's just an 945 00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.880 amazing platform. Chop Teas is doing great work and keeping 946 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.840 keeping in the spirit of what TLF is about. You know, 947 00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:28.719 our finest partners and this goes down the list have 948 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.559 always been and Gabe is among them. We mentioned Garage Beer. 949 00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:36.000 It's always people who know the show, know the show 950 00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:39.159 and end up being entrepreneurial on the other side and say, 951 00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:41.400 you know what, I know why people listen to the show. 952 00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:43.760 I know they're for real and they eat a bunch 953 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:47.480 of bitch ass motherfuckers. They're not a bunch of freeloading cunts, 954 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:51.880 and so it's worth creating things that delight them because 955 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:56.760 they're willing to reciprocate that attention to detail and that 956 00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:02.960 entreaty with support. It's something that is probably the safest 957 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:05.719 bet you're going to find in the wrestling podcast space 958 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.119 in terms of receptive audience. It's can seriously consider what 959 00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:09.920 you're bringing the market to. The co chairman deem it 960 00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.920 worthy and that's what's happening here at chop Teas. That's 961 00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.639 what's happening. And the jacket will be available for purchase 962 00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:20.440 before you know it, because that's what's up. And I'll 963 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.880 tell you what, boss, If we keep talking about Viennas, 964 00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:28.199 if we keep going down this road in our sid tribute, yes, 965 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.599 I think our pro Wrestling tea shop is going to 966 00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:33.079 get to reflect it quite quickly. 967 00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:38.400 Yes, I will say that there are already by the 968 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:45.000 time this drops, there should be two Vienna shirts added 969 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:46.639 to the catalog. 970 00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:48.920 I mean, people are hitting us up with their own 971 00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:52.159 brilliant designs. It's just like this is the thing, this 972 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:53.840 is going to be the thing. I mean, Yeah, you 973 00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.079 can't talk about Vienna sausages as much as sid did 974 00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:03.159 in his you know, I mean in its twilight it's 975 00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:05.760 without us grabbing onto it. 976 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:10.039 It's really what is so what is incredible about it 977 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:16.599 really is the fact that here here is that he 978 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:21.440 talked so passionately about it. Yes, you know, he could 979 00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:25.280 have he could have talked about it and just kind 980 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:28.119 of thrown it away, but he he was all about 981 00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.519 one hundred and fifty thousand pounds of Vienna's nipped cans whatever. 982 00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:34.480 He never pounds. 983 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:38.719 He never talked about helping out his church without specifying 984 00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:42.559 the precise cuisine exactly. And that's the kind of thing 985 00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:44.800 that's the that's the kind of detail that we don't 986 00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.599 miss here at tlo oh. We never miss that kind 987 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:51.400 of stuff because it's all about food instead proving that again, 988 00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.760 so our progresting tees dot Com slash the Lapsed Fan 989 00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:58.079 Store definitely going to be reflective of the kind of 990 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.360 moments that are happening as we eight the Great sid 991 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:04.519 Udy here over the next several episodes on that fucking cast. 992 00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:06.599 So you do want to keep it very keep it 993 00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:08.280 very close eye to the store as well as you 994 00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:12.079 know meant the aforementioned holiday gifts stuff. I mean, there 995 00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:14.400 can't be a moment in the catalog over ten years 996 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:16.639 that you can't buy a shirt that reflects I know. 997 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:18.719 I mean there's so many as we just go, we 998 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.199 just boss waste no time. I mean, we say something 999 00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.599 on the show and the next day he's texting me like, I. 1000 00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:28.760 Mean sometimes it happens during the show and I'm like, 1001 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:30.039 all right, you know what, I got to do this 1002 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:33.440 right now, that's as we're recording it. I'll send you 1003 00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:36.360 a fucking It's not like once or twice and I've 1004 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.760 sent you like an image fucking it here. Look at this. 1005 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.599 Part of that ecosystem I mentioned, part of that virtuous circle, 1006 00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.760 virtuous cycle. Also, you know, if you want to throw 1007 00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.039 a coin in the jukebox and get us to dance 1008 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.320 for you, Cameo is there for you? Okay, no, yes, 1009 00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:57.159 hemeo dot com slash lapsed fan, send us your requests, 1010 00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:00.599 jump in a cannon, have lapsed characters and do things 1011 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:02.559 that you think are appropriate or funny, or you know, 1012 00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:05.480 just have us pass on some well wishes to someone 1013 00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.719 in your life, or have lapsed Vince talk down to 1014 00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:10.559 someone on their birthday. You've done several of those. 1015 00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:13.360 God, that's always the best is when they you know, 1016 00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:15.679 when they say, hey, you know so and so is 1017 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:17.519 celebrating this. Can you tell them what a fucking piece 1018 00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:23.079 of shit they are? Yes, that's easy, plenty of practice 1019 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:24.679 in there, you say, so that's what you want? 1020 00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:28.360 Sure, so do do patronize us in more ways than 1021 00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.360 one over on cameo. That's that's very much available to 1022 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.199 you and and vibrant and again we'll want the call out. 1023 00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:36.119 We did it last week and I'm just not gonna 1024 00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:38.760 let it happen again this year. Where we think of 1025 00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:40.920 the Christmas show too late for folks that want to 1026 00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:43.960 get us stuff to feature on that wonderful annual tradition 1027 00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:46.920 that that's taking shape the unwrapping as we've taken gifts 1028 00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:48.760 from the Solar system and unwrap them and react to 1029 00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:50.840 them in real time on the pod as part of 1030 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.480 spreading some holidays cheer and so if you want to 1031 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.480 make sure that whatever you have in mind for your 1032 00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:00.280 co chairman arrives in time for said taping and isn't 1033 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:02.639 sort of like straggler gifts that we were glad to 1034 00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:05.880 open and thrilled and delighted to open, but we'd like 1035 00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:07.559 to We just love to fit everything in that one 1036 00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:09.719 session because that's when we get together and really feel 1037 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:12.320 the spirit and it's and everything is as it should 1038 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:14.159 be if you want to be part of that session, 1039 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:17.800 which to me, you really should want to be. Uh, 1040 00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:20.079 you're going to want to get that gift off sooner 1041 00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:23.920 rather than later, especially if you're overseas and international. That's 1042 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:25.840 something that I think we've underestimated in the past. 1043 00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.800 Yes, yeah, that can be. That can be uh get 1044 00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:32.480 a little troubling. So a little troubling, a little trouble. 1045 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:35.119 It just might just takes longer than we appreciate that 1046 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:38.440 sometimes to get to get to us. And so you 1047 00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:41.760 need to know that the time is now. Honestly, the 1048 00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.280 time is now. We've already got We've already got how 1049 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:45.039 many like. 1050 00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:47.039 Seven or eight. 1051 00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:48.920 I think that's a hell of a start. So this 1052 00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.400 is happening, folks. This is not a fucking This isn't 1053 00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:56.639 some kind of theoretical thing. So the PO box is 1054 00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:59.480 the lapsed fan seven ten Main Street, South seven one 1055 00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:02.840 zero me Street, South PO Box one one nine one 1056 00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:05.840 one nine south Bury s O U T H b 1057 00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.119 U R Y Connecticut zero six four eight eight again 1058 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:12.360 zero six four eight eight. Do get in the queue. 1059 00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.960 Do get what we need on the on the ship, 1060 00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.559 on the boat, on the freight ye or in the 1061 00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.239 UPS truck or in the us SPS truck, whatever the 1062 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:24.199 case may be. Get it to your co chairman, and 1063 00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:26.000 make sure that it is indeed a merry Christmas for 1064 00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:27.719 everybody in the Solar System. You know what to do, 1065 00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:34.679 and we continue to offer, uh, let's say, seasonal reinforcement. 1066 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.639 You know, when it leaves turn or the weather turns, 1067 00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:40.119 you can count on your co chairman to sniff that 1068 00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:44.320 out and present content that's that's appropriate in that way. 1069 00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:47.559 Last year, it was tricky under the cinemat to keep 1070 00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.679 with the the scary movie bargain that we made upon 1071 00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.800 the launch of this incredibly popular series where we dive 1072 00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:56.920 in to Hollywood movies that feature pro wrestlers and just 1073 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.199 go all in on whatever the wrestler is and. 1074 00:53:59.239 --> 00:53:59.920 Whatever the movie is. 1075 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:01.559 We're in the middle of the Bond journey, but Boss 1076 00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:04.960 tell them about the sort of detour will be taking 1077 00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:06.760 and how the rest of the year is going to 1078 00:54:06.800 --> 00:54:07.199 shape out. 1079 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:11.280 Under the cinema. Yes, as as I mentioned before, you 1080 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:13.280 know we were in the middle. We're actually at a 1081 00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:18.320 great stopping point for now on the Bond journey because 1082 00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:23.559 of the way that the final leg of the journey 1083 00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:28.000 is its own. It's its own journey in a way, 1084 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.400 you know, it's its own journey, and so it's a 1085 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:34.840 it's a it's a good place to kind of reuh, 1086 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:37.400 you know, kind of regroup a little bit, take a 1087 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:41.519 moment and focus on some other things, and then come 1088 00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:44.360 back to it and start afresh. So it is Scary 1089 00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:50.119 Movie season, and we will have movies all throughout October 1090 00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.000 for Scary Movie Season, and then we'll return with James Bond. 1091 00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.199 In November and finish that up just in time for 1092 00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:01.320 Christmas movie season exactly, exact right to our point about 1093 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:04.119 holiday themes exactly, I have to say, you know, as 1094 00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.800 much Christmas and Halloween or whatever, you know, Fourth of July, 1095 00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:10.519 whatever the holiday is themed content we've done on the 1096 00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:13.000 main show over the past ten years, I feel the 1097 00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.159 most inner warmth when I sit down for an Under 1098 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:19.159 the Cinemat episode that's in keeping with the season. Oh, 1099 00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:21.800 that's under the Cinemat is the place to really soak 1100 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:22.039 that in. 1101 00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.239 It really, you know, it's it does the same thing 1102 00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:27.480 for me, Like, you know, when I start looking at 1103 00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:33.519 the movies that that that that I've chosen for the seasons, 1104 00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:35.599 it just it really does that there's something about it. 1105 00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.400 I'm like, oh, this is so great, Like I get 1106 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:41.079 all tingly and no different with this. I'm then we 1107 00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:44.679 get it. We get some some real heavy hitters. So 1108 00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:48.000 I'm excited to I'm excited to thrust that upon you. 1109 00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:48.639 Are you kidding me? 1110 00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:51.800 I mean scary movies that is truly the dominion of 1111 00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:54.159 the pro wrestler when one totally is he tries to 1112 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:56.039 make the transition to Hollywood. I mean, we talked about 1113 00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:59.079 when we did Halloween, the Michael Myers character influencing so 1114 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:01.239 many rest of characters from King all the way down, 1115 00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:04.079 and just so much to chew on. 1116 00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:04.400 There. 1117 00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:07.039 We're sitting here talking about a sid who I don't 1118 00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:10.239 know exactly if you'd call the Mad Mac series, the 1119 00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:13.920 Thunderdome stuff scary movies, but they're certainly, you know, there 1120 00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:17.280 are certainly characters created in the vein of fucking you know, 1121 00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:20.960 superkillers basically. Sure, So it's all there. I mean, these 1122 00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:23.840 bookers from our these bookers that put the wrestling out 1123 00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:26.320 there that we absorbed and remember so fondly we're watching 1124 00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:27.599 movies to get inspiration. 1125 00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:30.760 They're very absorbed into pop culture and what was going 1126 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:32.400 on in Hollywood. 1127 00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:34.840 We're gonna get through this utter of the cinemat format 1128 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.800 a chance to talk about all of them over the years, 1129 00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:41.119 and definitely definitely a time to lean in, you know, 1130 00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:43.239 because you're gonna get the end of the Bond journey, 1131 00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:46.199 you're gonna get scary movie season, you're gonna get Christmas 1132 00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:50.519 movie season. It's where UTC really thrives and goes absolutely nuts. 1133 00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:52.480 So you want to absolutely consider joining if you're on 1134 00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:55.559 the fence about it again. Under the Cinemata is available 1135 00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:58.920 to our executive producer tier on Patreon and above those 1136 00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.239 Mote tier members of course get everything and more. And 1137 00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:04.840 we've got quite quite a few ideas in mind for 1138 00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.800 some lapsed outings that have been the exclusive dominion the 1139 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.480 invite only list on the Moat tier yep, because if 1140 00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:12.559 you're willing to show that much support, we're willing to 1141 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:15.800 let you into the circle closer to the conscience, closer 1142 00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:18.440 to the beating heart of the cast. So I keep 1143 00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:20.280 your eyes and ears peel if you're in the moat 1144 00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:22.119 tier for that, but of course under the Cinemat available 1145 00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:23.920 to the tier render as well our EP and above tier, 1146 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:26.880 and we definitely urge you to consider joining. One of 1147 00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:28.599 the things we're going to be unloading on you as 1148 00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:31.480 part of the Sid Journey is an archived under the 1149 00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:33.960 Cinemat episode that all of a sudden as relevance. We 1150 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:35.599 did it on a lark, I think, boss, I. 1151 00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:37.679 Mean it was well, no, it was, I mean it 1152 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:41.519 was done. I mean, I guess partially on a lark. 1153 00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:41.800 It was. 1154 00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:44.159 It was a scary movie, you know, so it's kind 1155 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:49.320 of fitting in a way. It was an awful horror 1156 00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:54.400 film and Sid is in it. And there actually was 1157 00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:59.559 a feature on Sid getting his makeup done because he 1158 00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:03.760 plays a monster. Yes, so it's called River of Darkness 1159 00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:06.679 and he plays Jonah Jacobs. And this is when he 1160 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:10.119 did way after his wrestling career was over. Yeah yeah, yeah, 1161 00:58:10.119 --> 00:58:11.840 I mean this was came out in twenty eleven. 1162 00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:14.519 So we've done it. We did it years ago under 1163 00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:15.320 the Cinemat. 1164 00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:16.920 R two years ago. Actually two years ago. 1165 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:18.920 We did it, but to give you a sampling as 1166 00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.159 we're you know, as every now and then we're inspired 1167 00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:25.360 to do. Remember, we did uh, we brought forward Rocky 1168 00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:28.719 three when we did the Terry Funk tribute because of 1169 00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:30.920 the role that he at Paradise Alley. You know where 1170 00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:33.559 Terry Funk is actually in it Rocky three. He plays 1171 00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:36.719 a role in the lore around how Holt Colgan ultimately 1172 00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:41.880 got the thunder Lips role. Oh God, whors Paradise Alley 1173 00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:44.440 prominently featuring Terry Funk is Frankie the Thumper and in 1174 00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:48.679 many ways setting a blueprint for what Rocky is, or 1175 00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:52.559 at least speaking to it. So it's great, it's it's 1176 00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:54.239 it's always awesome, and we can be like, all right, 1177 00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:56.199 there's a cinemat episode that that makes some sense here 1178 00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:59.400 to surface. We surfaced ready to rumble when we were 1179 00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.079 in the midst of our you know, history of w 1180 00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:05.840 CW stuff, when Weis was doing their series and we 1181 00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:09.719 started doing a show about w W greed the final 1182 00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:12.639 pay per view. So it makes sense to make River 1183 00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.239 of Darkness available to all and the glimpse it gives us. 1184 00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:18.719 Did you know that Sid was in consideration for a 1185 00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:19.519 super Shredder. 1186 00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:21.880 I did not know that. 1187 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.039 I don't remember if we talked about that. I don't 1188 00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:26.280 think so, I don't think I knew that, but yeah, 1189 00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:30.199 he's talked about it. He pretty much was like Chilly 1190 00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:32.639 on the idea. He was never really enthusiastic about getting 1191 00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:36.760 into two movies and he was under the I think 1192 00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:38.320 there was kind of a thing where he's got a 1193 00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:41.559 story where because his wrestling obligations were going to be 1194 00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:43.440 such that the office would kind of sour on losing 1195 00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:45.320 him for that long at WCW. That that's why the 1196 00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:48.480 role went to Kevin Nash was basically because you know, 1197 00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:50.559 Nash was much more expendable in terms if you take 1198 00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:51.639 him off the road, it's not going to make a 1199 00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.559 very big difference to the cards because he was oz 1200 00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:56.039 Still or Vine Vegas probably at that point in time, 1201 00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:57.360 and no one gave a fuck really, you know, if 1202 00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.599 he was around or not. So so yeah, I guess 1203 01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:04.159 we can. We can chalk up Sid passing on Super 1204 01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:06.519 Shredder to Kevin Nash getting his first taste of Hollywood, 1205 01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:09.960 which to this day he definitely still has an appetite for. 1206 01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:14.000 Oh fuck yeah and say that for sure. Yes, So 1207 01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.760 keep your eyes peeled and do join in just in 1208 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:19.840 time for Under the Cinemat to reach a whole new level. 1209 01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:21.360 I can't wait to see what the boss has in mind. 1210 01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:24.079 As the leaves turn and as those jack O lanterns 1211 01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:27.039 get lit, people are starting earlier this year than ever. 1212 01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:31.199 I can't believe it. I really cannot believe it. I 1213 01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:34.519 get so excited when I see It's like I drive 1214 01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:38.480 by someone's lawn, you know, on one day, and then 1215 01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:43.400 you know the next day it's completely littered with Halloween decorations. 1216 01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:44.800 I'm so fucking excited. 1217 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:48.280 That's a long time coming. 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Where did we leave sid Well? 1262 01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:22.679 We left him making a decision, Uh, do I sign 1263 01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.599 this guaranteed contract with WCW with promises of a world 1264 01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:29.559 title run or do I take this nagging thing from 1265 01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:31.559 Vince of like this is going to be my only 1266 01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:33.880 opportunity to have this spot the number one spot in 1267 01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:34.760 professional wrestling. 1268 01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:35.599 Now. 1269 01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:38.719 Of course, what Vince McMahon does and doesn't mean when 1270 01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:41.880 he makes these representations vis a vis Hulk Cogan spot 1271 01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:43.920 is up for debate and an interpretation. 1272 01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:47.599 I mean right, I mean their money. Oh, I can 1273 01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:50.199 offer this opportunity pill and we're just talking about an 1274 01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:56.440 opportunity to eventually obtain a spot similar to Hulk Hogan. 1275 01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:56.920 Right. 1276 01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:00.639 You know there have been many there, We've you've taken 1277 01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:05.559 chances on a multitude of individuals who have either succeeded 1278 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:08.840 in their own way or perhaps uh not succeeded in 1279 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:12.239 their own way. And you know, we're always we're always 1280 01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:17.280 looking to maintain a you know, a caliber a caliber 1281 01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:22.280 of caliber of competitor right to to you know, potentially 1282 01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:26.719 lead the way into the future of the WWE and 1283 01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:31.320 at the same time, you know, lead but not you know, 1284 01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:33.840 lead but fall pretty far behind Hulk Hogan. 1285 01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:39.000 Okay, sounds appetizing. I'm I'm doubly sold now, Vinz, thanks 1286 01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:43.079 for the extrapolation. But yeah, I mean because Sid just 1287 01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:44.679 came up with this thing of like, oh my god, 1288 01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:46.679 if w CW is offering this much money right now, 1289 01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:49.119 this is an opportunity for me to see what Vince 1290 01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:53.480 would say if I put myself out there and and 1291 01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:56.440 he just says, I want Hogan spot. It's similar to 1292 01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:58.519 when Brett wanted to come at WCW and he said, 1293 01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:00.679 he wants a dollar more than Hogan makes. Yeah, right, 1294 01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:03.320 that's just like shorthand for the most money I could 1295 01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:04.280 possibly make your company. 1296 01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:09.880 I want I want Hulk Coogan spot. I see that's 1297 01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:13.159 a very interesting proposition for yourself. 1298 01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:16.800 I do you sound like a yes? 1299 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:23.119 Are you referring to? Just what spot? Are you referring to? 1300 01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:26.119 I want this spot? 1301 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.159 Well, I am you mean you mean the leg drop? 1302 01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:33.039 Do you mean? Do you mean? Do you mean his 1303 01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:37.280 his parking spot tightened hours? Is that I can do that? 1304 01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:37.800 That that? 1305 01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:40.079 I don't think there'll be much of a problem. I 1306 01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:44.400 want a spot on the card, my birthday card. Yes, 1307 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:48.519 that's fine too, I will I will make that happen. 1308 01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:51.920 You can have where he would sign it. You can 1309 01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:52.719 have his spot. 1310 01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:55.159 Can you imagine he pulls up to the tower for 1311 01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:58.280 the meeting to sign the contract, and there's a sign 1312 01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:00.679 in the parking lot with Hulk Hogan's name on it, 1313 01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:05.559 crossed out with Sid over Teltreppel. I'm a man of 1314 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:09.000 my wordy, you have whole Hogan spot. 1315 01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:11.480 I'm pleased. 1316 01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:13.840 I hope you are too, Because he said Sid. You 1317 01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:16.880 know Sid says Vince flew him out immediately upon expressing 1318 01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:21.440 interest immediately. And god, can you imagine being a Titan 1319 01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:23.519 Towers the day Sid walks through the front door for 1320 01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:25.719 the first time. Oh my god, the buzz that creates 1321 01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:28.440 it be insane just to be in the in the 1322 01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:31.119 confines because you know they've moved offices, but that old 1323 01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:33.239 Titan Tower, man, it was in a kind of like 1324 01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:36.599 a residential neighborhood, like you could just like, yeah, you 1325 01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:38.880 could spy on that place. I think yes, and I'm 1326 01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:41.440 sure wrestling fans have over the years. But my god, 1327 01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:44.599 just to think about the intrigue going on at this 1328 01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:48.159 point with him playing both sides. You know, Sid recalls 1329 01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:49.840 Dusty coming up to him at a show in Alabama 1330 01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:53.119 WCW because Dusty had taken the book back over after 1331 01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:55.639 his WWF run and came in the February of ninety one. 1332 01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:57.280 So this is right around the time Sid is weighing 1333 01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:00.360 what to do. And you know, as you heard last week, 1334 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:02.239 Dusty tail Sid, this is the plans I have. We 1335 01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:04.880 can make your world champ. You're gonna have a match 1336 01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:06.679 with Vader, then you're gonna do a feud with Rick 1337 01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:10.239 rud And the way Sid has talked about it in 1338 01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:12.079 Chewed interviews. They were going to build up Rick Rude 1339 01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:14.280 really strong with a bunch of big wins. There apparently 1340 01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:17.920 was like a boxing commercial featuring Julier Ciso Chavez at 1341 01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:19.920 the time where they ran down like in a black 1342 01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:21.960 and white ad, like a laundry list of the names 1343 01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:24.239 he had defeated to get to the next match, And 1344 01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:26.119 they were going to do something similar, according to Sid, 1345 01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:28.159 with Rick Rud, where they would list all the opponents 1346 01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:31.280 he's he's gone through to get to Sid. I hadn't 1347 01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:33.480 really thought about Sid versus Rick Rud for the WCW 1348 01:07:33.639 --> 01:07:35.920 title as a program. I don't know if that excites 1349 01:07:35.960 --> 01:07:36.280 me or not. 1350 01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:40.280 Yeah, I don't know. Ian that does sound interesting. 1351 01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:42.119 It's interesting cause I don't know how you cast both 1352 01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:43.000 guys necessarily. 1353 01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:50.119 Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's that's kind of that 1354 01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:52.559 is hard. But I'm intrigued by that. I'm intrigued by 1355 01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:54.440 a Rude and Sid program. 1356 01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:56.480 Yep, absolutely. 1357 01:07:57.679 --> 01:07:57.719 So. 1358 01:07:57.960 --> 01:07:59.960 Yeah as the baby face So Rick Rud babyface runs 1359 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:03.679 I think was the idea. And you know, so Dusty's 1360 01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:04.960 putting the pressure. He's like, I want you to have 1361 01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:06.519 a brand new contract. I want you to be here 1362 01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:10.159 for four years, five years something like that. At the time, 1363 01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.119 he was on like a one or two year year deal, 1364 01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:17.399 and so they came up with the figure. And you know, 1365 01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:20.039 he he had heard Sid has said and shooting interviews. 1366 01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:21.720 He had heard at the time of these discussions were 1367 01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:23.800 going on that Hulk Hogan was considering taking time off. 1368 01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:26.399 Of course, this is amid the Arsenio Hall mess and 1369 01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:30.680 hul Cogan's fucking disastrous nineteen ninety one, and that that 1370 01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:32.279 would be a spot that could be open on the 1371 01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:36.319 WWF cards because certainly Warrior had failed. And it's true 1372 01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:37.720 if you look at the if you look at who 1373 01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:40.640 they had, like, yeah, it's not really clear who was 1374 01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:43.520 going to be the top baby face in WWF. But 1375 01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:45.319 Hogan took the hiatus. It really wasn't. 1376 01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:48.960 Yeah, I can't agree with I agree with that. 1377 01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:52.479 So you can as ludicrous as it might sound at first, 1378 01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.800 that Sid was offered the Hogan spot, so to speak, 1379 01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:56.880 or was led to believe that the Hogan spot was 1380 01:08:56.920 --> 01:08:59.680 open to him by Vince, I can see if if 1381 01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:02.600 it was concrete that Hogan was going to disappear for 1382 01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:04.640 six months for the first time since you know, ho 1383 01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:09.279 Comania started, really that kind of a prolonged disappearance, and 1384 01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:11.920 you can kind of see how someone could be convinced 1385 01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:14.039 that this is a new opportunity. You know, we know 1386 01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:16.119 Hogan comes back and just takes right over again. 1387 01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:16.560 We know this. 1388 01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:17.319 So it's like. 1389 01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:22.399 It's hard to remember what a weird headspace they were in. 1390 01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:25.199 Is it regards that spot in ninety two and as 1391 01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:27.920 it regards Hogan in ninety two. Yeah, with that open 1392 01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:32.800 ended question about when he'd come back, So he's he's 1393 01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:37.119 thinking about this, and he you know, knows that that's 1394 01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:39.880 a big money opportunity. He'd never talked to Vince up 1395 01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:42.159 to that point. Says maybe I should give him a call. 1396 01:09:43.680 --> 01:09:45.840 So I called him. He put him right through, told 1397 01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:48.560 him what was going on. Would you fly in tomorrow? 1398 01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:49.760 Sure? 1399 01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:51.239 Uh? 1400 01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:53.079 So he went over there. I told him what I wanted. 1401 01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:57.319 I can't promise that, Yeah, just like just like Vince 1402 01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:02.039 can't promise an annual salary pal. What's funny that it's 1403 01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:05.279 funny Bell, you can't promise. You can't promise you'll be here. 1404 01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:06.840 I can't promise anything but opportunity. 1405 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:12.199 I can't. I can't promise that you'll have a job ever. Again, 1406 01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:13.960 I can't wait to come to work for him. How 1407 01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.840 does that feel? Exactly? Where? Fuck with me? Exactly? 1408 01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:20.920 How does that feel? That's the opening conversation between Vince 1409 01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:24.199 and Sid. Sid probably should have taken a hint at 1410 01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:33.399 that point. No, how does that feel? But you know, 1411 01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:37.439 he's like he's looking at with the exception of when 1412 01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:39.800 he first broke in and was scraping by, he's looking 1413 01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:41.800 at a business that he's only non guaranteed money in 1414 01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:44.520 the WP contract was guaranteed, whether he was hurt or not. 1415 01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:48.840 And he's feeling Vince out on whether you know, as 1416 01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:50.840 much as it's clear in the industry that Vince doesn't 1417 01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:53.520 offer guaranteed money, will he bend here as he eventually did, 1418 01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:56.760 not to Sid so much, but to others. And No, 1419 01:10:57.359 --> 01:10:59.680 Vince was still steadfast in nineteen ninety one about not 1420 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:01.680 off ring a guaranteed salary. 1421 01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:03.920 But you know he was able to say that, Look, 1422 01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:08.800 I don't believe in guarantees. Why is that promises? I 1423 01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:09.880 don't believe in guarantees. 1424 01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:13.000 I believe in promises. You, however, should not believe in 1425 01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:13.680 my promises. 1426 01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:19.479 You should believe in my guarantees which are nil, which 1427 01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:23.720 are not you know, they're not necessarily reliable, but you 1428 01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:24.720 should believe in them. 1429 01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:26.279 By the way, there goes that word again. 1430 01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:29.159 Yes, mother. 1431 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:33.680 So so Vince isn't, you know, budging on that front. 1432 01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:35.760 So for Sid, it's it's a gamble. But when you 1433 01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:38.520 talk about the Hogan spot, it pencils out. It's like, okay, well, 1434 01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.039 what I mean is that Hogan made this much for WrestleMania, 1435 01:11:41.079 --> 01:11:43.439 he made this much for merch. And it's like, if 1436 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:46.479 Sid is convincing himself that he can do as great 1437 01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:48.560 a job as Hulk did, he's convincing himself he can 1438 01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:50.239 make as much money as Hulk did. Of Course, Vince, 1439 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:53.279 if I can editorialize here, Vince knows that's not true. 1440 01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:55.680 Vince knows there's no fucking chance that, no matter what 1441 01:11:55.760 --> 01:11:57.399 he does with Sid, he's going to be anywhere near 1442 01:11:57.439 --> 01:11:59.479 as over as Hulk was for those peak earning years. 1443 01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:02.960 But it wouldn't surprise me that that wouldn't stop Vince 1444 01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:05.039 from sliding those numbers across the table as what might 1445 01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:08.439 be possible. Of course, absolutely, And yeah, listen, you know 1446 01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:10.920 what I want to tell you. Something said anything is 1447 01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:15.000 possible in the wah. You know there's a lot further I. 1448 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:19.239 Could you know, and uh, maybe someday get arrested. 1449 01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:23.680 It's not gonna happen, but as possible, I get indicted 1450 01:12:23.720 --> 01:12:24.439 one day, I. 1451 01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:28.239 Could get indicted. I can get indicted, maybe multiple times. 1452 01:12:30.439 --> 01:12:30.560 Us. 1453 01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:37.560 I'll get off at home and in the legal. 1454 01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:52.880 Platform, at home and in the legal platform, at the 1455 01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:58.640 legal arena, at the legal category. It's just another platform 1456 01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:05.199 to fence and Nadie McMahon. So yeah, that's what I 1457 01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:07.159 can offer. And so Sid's like fuck that, I'll take 1458 01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:11.319 guaranteed money, thanks, but no thanks. And he's getting all 1459 01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:13.720 dressed up to go to the WW offices living near 1460 01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:17.000 Atlanta to sign the contract, and according to him, Vince 1461 01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:19.079 calls again. His wife picks up as he's in the driveway. 1462 01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:20.880 This always happens to said, like I said in part one, 1463 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:23.800 there's always a story around how that phone call came 1464 01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:26.920 through when he wasn't expecting it, because he just, you know, 1465 01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:30.079 he's very sensitive about being accused of playing two sides 1466 01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:32.319 off of each other, which is of course precisely what 1467 01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:35.000 he did. Of course, so he has to like come 1468 01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:37.800 up with these stories about how he didn't want to 1469 01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:39.479 talk to someone on the phone. They just happened to 1470 01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:41.359 call him, and he has the same story, but when 1471 01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:43.279 he came back in ninety five about how it was 1472 01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:46.159 a call waiting thing. He was avoiding calls and he 1473 01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:48.199 got stuck just clicking over when he was on a 1474 01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:50.520 call and it was Vince and now he's stuck. Oh shit, 1475 01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:52.640 I answered the phone. I'm stuck. I can't say no 1476 01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:54.760 at that point if you answer the phone, right. So 1477 01:13:54.920 --> 01:13:57.039 his wife waves him down in the driveway and tells 1478 01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:00.359 him Vince's on the phone again, And that's the that's 1479 01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:03.319 the story that we ended last episode with was where 1480 01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:05.119 Vince says something to the effect of you know, because 1481 01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:07.199 Sid has told the story several times and the wording 1482 01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:09.119 he puts in Vince's mouth is always a little different, 1483 01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:11.520 but it's essentially, you know, you'll never get an opportunity 1484 01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:14.039 like this again, this is your in that that really 1485 01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:17.520 apparently resonated with Sid, and despite there not being a 1486 01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:20.680 guaranteed offer, he takes Vince's offer, and he even said 1487 01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:22.560 in one interview that he actually went to the w 1488 01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:26.279 W offices after that conversation, had them hand the contract 1489 01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:28.000 to him across the table, and he returned it to 1490 01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:32.399 them and said, no, I'm leaving. He's still fucking idiot 1491 01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:35.640 went to the Yeah, uh went to the offices to 1492 01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:39.359 to to engage in that showmanship because certainly, certainly he 1493 01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:41.880 wasn't looking for a counter offer. That was not at 1494 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:44.199 all his intention to play anyone off of anybody else. 1495 01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:48.359 He he doesn't play bullshit games like that. According to Fair, 1496 01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:52.760 I'm Vince, Vince. I didn't. I didn't call you back 1497 01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:54.199 because I didn't want to put you in the middle. 1498 01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:57.239 And in other words, I didn't call you back so 1499 01:14:57.319 --> 01:14:58.880 I wanted you to call back with a sweeter offer. 1500 01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:03.520 And it happened, didn't it. I can't do not or 1501 01:15:03.960 --> 01:15:05.079 or admit to anything. 1502 01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:09.840 Here's the magic wand he said, Vince told him, what 1503 01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:12.680 do you want? So he says, Hogan, spot and we 1504 01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:16.399 go from there. I see, And as he said, you know, 1505 01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:20.039 he walked away from seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars 1506 01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:24.279 guaranteed in WCW when you put all the value of 1507 01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:29.199 all the contracts together. So he's coming into WWF with 1508 01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:32.479 that level of expectation that if he doesn't exceed that 1509 01:15:32.640 --> 01:15:35.800 level of earnings, to his mind and the way he 1510 01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:38.840 thinks about the business, he's made a huge mistake. So 1511 01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:41.840 as much as we can celebrate this run. And as 1512 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:44.000 much as said looked like a real big time player 1513 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:46.159 in wwfter in this run, in his mind, all he's 1514 01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:48.560 thinking about is how much he would have been guaranteed 1515 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:52.079 if he was in WCW and the opportunities that creates 1516 01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:53.760 perhaps for him to dick off a little bit and 1517 01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:57.000 still get paid. Right, He's tremendous, is what he is, 1518 01:15:57.079 --> 01:16:01.359 which under Vince's stuff, which under Vince's system you can't 1519 01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:03.880 really do. I mean, you get paid because you work 1520 01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:07.079 on shows that Vince perceives you helped, you know, draw 1521 01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:08.600 a big house for or big pay per view by 1522 01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:11.079 rate for and then you get, you know, through some 1523 01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:15.399 completely opaque formula, a slice of that. And if he 1524 01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:17.960 perceived my sense is if he perceives you're unhappy, or 1525 01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:21.079 if he perceives that he needs to keep you closer 1526 01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:22.840 to the vest, he bumps you up and you get 1527 01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:24.479 a bigger check than you would have expected. And he 1528 01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:28.000 does that strategically along the way to make to keep 1529 01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:30.319 your sort of eyes wide about what the possibilities might 1530 01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:32.199 be for bigger checks down the road. If you continue 1531 01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:35.079 pleasing him. You know that that's how he used to 1532 01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:36.239 operate and so. 1533 01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:38.960 How can you pleasure me? 1534 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:42.920 That's how the contract were. 1535 01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:48.680 Listen said, I'm in the business of. 1536 01:16:50.319 --> 01:16:50.960 Go ahead, say it. 1537 01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:57.119 I'm in the business of pleasure, and I need to 1538 01:16:57.199 --> 01:17:01.760 know before I offer you anything. How are you going 1539 01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:02.800 to pleasure. 1540 01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:10.159 What? 1541 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:13.680 He needs to know this. He needs to know this 1542 01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:20.319 before he offers him anything, as if what he's willing 1543 01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:22.600 to do to please Vince isn't in direct correlation to 1544 01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:24.439 how much he's willing he's going to make. You know, 1545 01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:29.279 So you mean for zero dollars, what am I willing 1546 01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:30.680 to do for you? Is that the question? 1547 01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:33.560 Nothing? 1548 01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:38.279 Well, you tell me right, not what most say, Pal. 1549 01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:41.119 I follow your logic, Pal, but that's not what most 1550 01:17:41.119 --> 01:17:43.239 say when I put that proposition to them. I tell 1551 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:45.199 you those that have strong answers to that questions are 1552 01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:46.600 working here making very good money. 1553 01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:54.920 Right now, I've had a numerous pleasure you know, pleasure 1554 01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:57.000 positive experiences. 1555 01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:05.520 And here I am thinking PPE stood for personally protective equipment. 1556 01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:18.640 Where do you come up with this ship? 1557 01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:24.640 I swear to God's pleasure positive experiences, He's in the 1558 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:25.600 pleasure of business. 1559 01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:28.199 Are you fucking kidding to say? 1560 01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:33.720 And you can picture said like basically short circuit and 1561 01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:35.920 you're trying to process what all these code words mean. 1562 01:18:36.479 --> 01:18:43.159 No, no clue. Look, I just want to wrestle. 1563 01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:46.960 That's what you want to do. That's your side on 1564 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:57.159 what I want to receive. I just want to wrestle. 1565 01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:00.520 That's what you want to do. That's not what I 1566 01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:04.960 want to receive. What what do you want to receive. 1567 01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:07.239 Of? 1568 01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:11.279 It's good you're you're so certain, right. If you know 1569 01:19:11.319 --> 01:19:12.880 what you don't want to receive, that must mean you 1570 01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:14.000 know what you do want to receive. 1571 01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:18.199 Listen again, you know the the the the ability to 1572 01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:21.600 compete in the ring is something that you offer. But 1573 01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:26.760 in reception, I need something that is a little more 1574 01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:38.079 ethereal than ahead ethereal. And what else is I just? 1575 01:19:38.199 --> 01:19:40.800 I need, you know, I need. I need something that 1576 01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:44.880 kind of expands my mind, expands my my sensory. 1577 01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:52.119 The fuck, oh my god. I never know what this 1578 01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:52.960 guy's gonna say. 1579 01:19:56.880 --> 01:20:00.359 Because I can hire any I can't. I can bring 1580 01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:03.399 any any schmuck in here and say go ahead and wrestle. 1581 01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:06.039 But I need, you know, what do I get in 1582 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:07.159 this in this venture? 1583 01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:10.199 He's thinking to himself, what does this guy want me 1584 01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:14.159 to say? For Christ's sake, It's like because now now 1585 01:20:14.199 --> 01:20:16.119 it's too late. Now you can't go back to Dusty. 1586 01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:18.039 So it's like, now, Vince, like wait a minute, let's 1587 01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:18.600 really talk here. 1588 01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:22.239 And and you know, I need to know exactly how 1589 01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:30.359 you are going to give me pleasure. I am a 1590 01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:35.439 pleasure receptor and I require your services. 1591 01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:42.119 It's like an androgen receptor, like the It's what the 1592 01:20:42.199 --> 01:20:48.920 steroids attached to. Oh my god, I mean, what what 1593 01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:51.199 do you want? Like you want to you wanna have 1594 01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:54.960 like it's not kind of what happens if you want 1595 01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:58.239 to go, we can go. We haven't seen the doc yet. 1596 01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:09.560 I mean, you know, listen, it's just no behavior. 1597 01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:11.960 We haven't seen the doc yet. And I'm not talking 1598 01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:13.119 about Carlin Kolker. 1599 01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:15.680 Okay, So. 1600 01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:19.159 All right, Well they go back and forth and Sid 1601 01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:22.039 says the deal is this that he's going to come 1602 01:21:22.119 --> 01:21:24.439 in and they're gonna do something they've never done before. 1603 01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:26.720 All Sid is going to do for the first year 1604 01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:29.600 is TV's and pay per views. And remember this is 1605 01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:33.159 before Raw. This is you know, that's not much at all. 1606 01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:35.960 You got a couple of TV tapings basically, and worked 1607 01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:39.279 a big pay per view and you know, he does 1608 01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:40.000 have to go on the road. 1609 01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:42.479 That that was what he says. 1610 01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:46.479 Sid says was his understanding about the terms of his arrival, 1611 01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:48.239 and it was kind of Vince's idea of how to 1612 01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:50.439 really accentuate and get Sid ready for a position of 1613 01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:54.359 that magnitude, and so he was all about that. And 1614 01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:57.800 he says after WrestleMania like basically WrestleMania. According to Sid, 1615 01:21:58.079 --> 01:21:59.840 and this lines up with what Dave Meltzer has said 1616 01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:02.439 and what others have said over the years, WrestleMania is 1617 01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:05.279 going to be WrestleMania eight is going to be where 1618 01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:09.239 you're crowned. Now, when I say crowned, do I necessarily 1619 01:22:09.279 --> 01:22:12.520 mean become WWF champion? I think that's what if I'm 1620 01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:15.800 like putting the pieces together. That's what Vince said, for 1621 01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:18.279 what it's worth. Bruce Pritchard, who was in between ww 1622 01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:19.600 F ten years at this time, so he was not 1623 01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:21.880 in the office, says that's just not something Vince does. 1624 01:22:21.960 --> 01:22:23.840 Vince does not promise someone WrestleMania like that. 1625 01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:25.239 They might hear that. 1626 01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:27.600 And we know, you know from Brett Hart's story about 1627 01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:30.439 getting the Winter holl Cog and how when you actually 1628 01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:32.920 get everyone in a room, Vince will go back on 1629 01:22:33.520 --> 01:22:35.800 what you thought you heard about his promises. 1630 01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:39.239 I didn't say you will. I said, you know, it's 1631 01:22:39.279 --> 01:22:43.199 a possibility, right, I can see you a very good 1632 01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:49.680 possibility that you will someday main event a WrestleMania type event. 1633 01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:52.520 All I said said is I can see you having 1634 01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:54.560 WrestleMania as your crowning moment. 1635 01:22:54.760 --> 01:22:57.920 I can. I can see you at a WrestleMania esque event. 1636 01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:05.560 Not in necesscessarily, he's not even promising wrestle Mania, you know, 1637 01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:10.600 a main event of sorts. But you know these are 1638 01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:14.399 these are neither here nor there right at this point. 1639 01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:17.279 Well, this is a Sid who was so incapable of 1640 01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:18.920 remembering the name of the pay per view when he's 1641 01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:20.800 cutting promos for it that, according to him, they had 1642 01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:22.399 to put a sign up and say, just tell Sid 1643 01:23:22.479 --> 01:23:25.800 to say Mania. Oh my god, is he saying wrestling Mania? 1644 01:23:25.880 --> 01:23:28.199 Wherever else he's saying no. 1645 01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:33.720 Yeah, god damn it. Said, what are you saying out there? 1646 01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:38.680 I'm seeing wrestling Mania. That's what I thought. You said, 1647 01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:42.840 It's just wrestle Mania. It's not wrestling Mania. Why the 1648 01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:44.760 fuck would I name my show? I want to name 1649 01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:47.760 anything wrestling Mania? What do you think this is? I 1650 01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:51.279 think it's gonna be the colossal tussle. You bitch. 1651 01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:55.079 Oh shit, I can feel that hand warming up. It's 1652 01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:57.760 not gonna fly yet, but it's warming up. That's the 1653 01:23:57.800 --> 01:23:59.840 first time Vince felt a tingle in his palm. 1654 01:24:01.199 --> 01:24:07.359 A bitch, I will not answer that question. Oh yes, 1655 01:24:07.439 --> 01:24:11.720 you will. No, I will not. You don't know what. 1656 01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:15.760 Instead of saying no, he says, I'm not going to 1657 01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:26.199 answer that question. This is going to be a battle 1658 01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:29.119 and a showdown of two Titanic wits, these two over 1659 01:24:29.199 --> 01:24:32.640 the years. I have the feeling and something tells me 1660 01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:35.039 Sid is not going to accept defeat, no matter how 1661 01:24:35.079 --> 01:24:37.319 clearly Evince comes out the victor and all of their dealings. 1662 01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:41.479 So that's what Sid has in his mind. And Sid's 1663 01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:45.279 big thing about this run is that his expectations coming 1664 01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:48.680 in were just like subverted from the beginning, Like nothing 1665 01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:51.079 went the way he envisioned when he came to terms 1666 01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:53.239 to come to WWF. And this is part of it, 1667 01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:55.760 is that he apparently had a belief that he'd only 1668 01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:57.880 be working TVs and pay per views until WrestleMania, and 1669 01:24:57.920 --> 01:24:59.760 then after WrestleMania he'd be a made man and then 1670 01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:02.800 he'd on how shows and you know, will have been 1671 01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:04.880 set up such to draw on how shows in a 1672 01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:07.479 way that is tantamount to like a whole Coganesque position. 1673 01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:09.399 I guess it's kind of if you put on a 1674 01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:12.039 piece together. What what his expectation was, and again that 1675 01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:14.119 he'd come in as a babyface, because the Hogan spot 1676 01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:17.520 is a baby face spot. Sid has said in interviews 1677 01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:19.319 that Vince told him, We've never done this with anyone, 1678 01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:22.079 and Sid's response says, well, how the fuck am I 1679 01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:23.479 going to get paid for a year if you don't 1680 01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:25.920 give me money, Like if your whole model here is 1681 01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:26.720 earn that money. 1682 01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:28.239 But but you're. 1683 01:25:28.079 --> 01:25:31.760 Purposely not putting me on the road enough to earn anything, well, 1684 01:25:32.199 --> 01:25:33.359 I mean anything substantial. 1685 01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:36.680 I'm not I'm not doing anything. You're doing that to yourself. 1686 01:25:37.479 --> 01:25:39.359 I'm offering you an opportunity, but. 1687 01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:41.760 You're kind of not because you're not putting on the 1688 01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:43.000 road to earn money night after. 1689 01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:45.279 You Because I can't guarantee you anything, I can't guarantee 1690 01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:47.520 you're going to get this, but I can guarantee you 1691 01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:50.640 one thing. You will have an opportunity. 1692 01:25:52.039 --> 01:25:55.399 See here, Sid at WWF, the real money is made 1693 01:25:55.680 --> 01:25:58.279 by going out there night after night and performing up 1694 01:25:58.279 --> 01:26:00.720 to the fans expectations and building your market value with 1695 01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:02.720 the fans. You have a chance to do that night 1696 01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:04.920 after night here towf and get paid in accordance with 1697 01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:07.880 that effort. However, I am not going to put you 1698 01:26:08.000 --> 01:26:11.359 on ninety percent of those shows. And Sid's like, where 1699 01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:14.000 do I sign? But he comes back and says, where 1700 01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:16.039 am I going to get paid? Like, you know, like literally, 1701 01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:18.079 how is the money going to? Because a lot of 1702 01:26:18.119 --> 01:26:20.079 this money is, you know, the draws on the road. 1703 01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:21.520 You know, you know you've got a certain amount of 1704 01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:23.680 money you can expect to make, and so you go 1705 01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:25.960 to the actual show and draw cash out in your 1706 01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:27.800 bank account and that's how you survive week to week. 1707 01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:29.680 But you have to be in the building to get 1708 01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:33.239 it from the agents and stuff you do right. And 1709 01:26:33.319 --> 01:26:34.840 so what Sid says is Vince came back and said, 1710 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:36.600 We're going to take care of you. Don't worry about 1711 01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:38.479 the fact that you're not going to be in all 1712 01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:40.520 these house shows in and impacting the kind of money 1713 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:43.640 you expect to make. So that already is something that 1714 01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:48.079 has Sid kind of sideways about the deal. But he 1715 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:52.079 really likes or really believes in this, buys into this 1716 01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:56.039 way of presenting him and pushing him, and and I 1717 01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:58.239 kind of, you know, I kind of believe it because 1718 01:26:58.239 --> 01:26:59.760 the way they first start working him in it is 1719 01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:02.239 only TV tapings. It's not like all of a sudden 1720 01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:04.159 Sid starts showing up on a bunch of house shows 1721 01:27:04.199 --> 01:27:06.159 that that no one's heard of to get his his 1722 01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:06.880 his reps in. 1723 01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:07.600 He really doesn't. 1724 01:27:07.640 --> 01:27:10.239 They really just start using him on Superstars tapings, as 1725 01:27:10.279 --> 01:27:13.399 we'll get to, so perhaps early glimpses of that really 1726 01:27:13.439 --> 01:27:16.840 being Vince's plan, but ultimately at the end of it, 1727 01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:18.840 you know, he's looking at a seven hundred and fifty 1728 01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:22.520 thousand dollars potential haul from WCW and he said, I 1729 01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:24.680 never made that kind of money in WWF. I made 1730 01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:26.800 good money, but he didn't make that much. And he 1731 01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:29.119 said he made one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for 1732 01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:34.199 WrestleMania eight. So you know, Vince can say, look, you're 1733 01:27:34.239 --> 01:27:36.439 gonna there's a chance you could make seventy five percent 1734 01:27:36.479 --> 01:27:38.840 of your salary that ww's offering you in one night. 1735 01:27:39.319 --> 01:27:41.319 That's how much of a big cash night WrestleMania is. 1736 01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:43.680 And that's how much of it I share with the talent, 1737 01:27:44.399 --> 01:27:46.560 especially the top of the card. So that's a huge 1738 01:27:46.600 --> 01:27:48.159 payday you one hundred fifty grand. I'm I don't know 1739 01:27:48.560 --> 01:27:50.479 if it's a three four year contract, four or five 1740 01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:55.359 year contract at seven hundred and fifty grand total. However 1741 01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:58.279 that shakes out every year. You could say, you know, wow, 1742 01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:00.680 like but every year wrestler, he's not gonna be that 1743 01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:03.039 kind of money for him. He doesn't. He doesn't get that, 1744 01:28:03.199 --> 01:28:04.600 or I think by the time he does get that, 1745 01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:07.439 it becomes how can I get the fuck out of 1746 01:28:07.479 --> 01:28:10.920 this situation? Of course kind of kind of deal. And 1747 01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:12.840 as as we heard Sid say at the conclusion of 1748 01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:15.680 last week's episode in the final analysis, he thinks this 1749 01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:19.920 WWF run that we cherish so much, that burned him 1750 01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:23.399 into our memories forever, such that we remember magazine articles, 1751 01:28:23.439 --> 01:28:25.359 we remember all the toys, you remember all the promos. 1752 01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:28.640 A mistake, that's how Sid chalks it up. A mistake, 1753 01:28:29.159 --> 01:28:31.680 that's right, because of what the WCW contract was that 1754 01:28:31.760 --> 01:28:33.840 he left on the table to do this run that 1755 01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:35.560 we all remember him so much for. 1756 01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:37.039 Never forget that. 1757 01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:41.399 A twenty eighth nineteen ninety one Superstars taping, sid Udy 1758 01:28:41.479 --> 01:28:44.479 walks into a WWF arena for the first time, Boss May. 1759 01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:47.600 I'm ninety one. Can we deal with this? I can't. 1760 01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:49.239 I can't. 1761 01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:50.479 He attacks me. 1762 01:28:50.640 --> 01:28:53.399 He's supposed to just debut at SummerSlam. 1763 01:28:55.720 --> 01:28:58.760 Phenomenal. The thing about this, So it's in Tucson, Arizona. 1764 01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:03.399 They're taping television, and they don't tape this for television, 1765 01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:06.039 but it is a TV taping. The Mounie is out there, 1766 01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:07.840 and what he do is come out and like do 1767 01:29:07.920 --> 01:29:10.600 an open challenge. They do this with all kinds of heels, 1768 01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:13.239 not just the Mounie, and Sid came out for the 1769 01:29:13.279 --> 01:29:16.359 first time. Imagine being at this show and fucking Sid 1770 01:29:16.399 --> 01:29:18.479 from WW watch the curtain to answer the call. 1771 01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:19.640 I'd be wild. 1772 01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:22.680 So he gets in there, apparently and just clears the 1773 01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:26.359 Mouni from the ring. According to well you know what's 1774 01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:29.800 known of what happened on this show? As I said, well, 1775 01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:32.560 it took place into television taping, it wasn't taped for television, 1776 01:29:32.560 --> 01:29:36.640 it never aired. And then on the June eighth episode 1777 01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:40.159 in nineteen ninety one of Primetime Wrestling, we start getting 1778 01:29:40.199 --> 01:29:43.560 vignettes promoting Sid's debut. 1779 01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:46.720 It's the last fan wrestling podcast. 1780 01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:03.279 Give Me a Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and 1781 01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:05.399 and JP Soro. 1782 01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:08.119 So he's in he's in the inner sanctum now and 1783 01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:12.960 he's you know, learning the ways of WWF. And one 1784 01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:15.520 of the first things he becomes acquainted with is the 1785 01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:18.399 you know, Vince McMahon's inner circle, his cronies Patterson, all 1786 01:30:18.439 --> 01:30:21.159 the way on down. And in an interview with the 1787 01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:25.359 In Your Head podcast, Sid talks about one particular interaction 1788 01:30:26.199 --> 01:30:29.319 with Vince's Lieutenant Pat Patterson that kind of gave him 1789 01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:30.840 a feeling that he's going to be along for quite 1790 01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:33.800 a ride here under the auspices of Titan Sports. 1791 01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:38.600 Now, Jim Barnett, you never would have known Pat was 1792 01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:41.600 a little more so you know where again, you know, 1793 01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:45.199 I remember how was It was my first show with 1794 01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:47.199 the w w F, and I was brought in just 1795 01:30:47.319 --> 01:30:50.640 to see how the show runs, and somehow ended up 1796 01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:54.439 in the call with Pat and Vince and uh JJ 1797 01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:59.439 Dillon and Howard Finkel and Pat asked if how one 1798 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:02.399 that come out watch lightning with him and Vance I said, no, 1799 01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:05.600 I don't want to come out and watch fucking lightning 1800 01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:09.279 with you guys. He grabbed me in a waist lock 1801 01:31:09.359 --> 01:31:13.359 at the counter. I actually shot and went around. He 1802 01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:16.119 goes I guy said, bastard vance. I said, no, you don't. 1803 01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:20.479 I shot and went around and grabbed him. And you know, 1804 01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:23.359 hearing all the stories, I'd be liar if I didn't say. 1805 01:31:23.399 --> 01:31:24.439 I was a little bit nervous. 1806 01:31:26.359 --> 01:31:30.000 So Pat welcoming in to the table. Uh, yeah, there 1807 01:31:30.079 --> 01:31:30.760 was a little over there. 1808 01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:34.039 You keep your baseball bat in your pants. 1809 01:31:37.159 --> 01:31:40.239 Now, what he doesn't understand is that when Pat said, 1810 01:31:40.279 --> 01:31:41.640 do you want to come out and watch the lightning, 1811 01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:49.279 there's a comma between out and end. Uh and no, 1812 01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:51.359 Sid is not going to come out, Pat. But I 1813 01:31:51.399 --> 01:31:53.279 guess they were going to like stand on the balcony 1814 01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:56.720 of the hotel and watch a lightning storm, and Sid 1815 01:31:56.840 --> 01:32:00.600 was not about that. Welcome to the WWF right, So 1816 01:32:01.479 --> 01:32:03.399 these vignettes start showing his face. Have you do you 1817 01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:04.399 remember these ever seen? 1818 01:32:05.039 --> 01:32:09.880 Come in here? What's a boss? I just want to just, 1819 01:32:10.479 --> 01:32:12.760 you know, we get to sit now. I want to 1820 01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:15.159 kind of feel him out. He's a big motherfucker. He's 1821 01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:18.239 a big motherfucker. You damn right. I'm just curious about 1822 01:32:18.279 --> 01:32:22.279 him on a personal level. Want to try to fucking 1823 01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:26.000 I thought that was your job, boss, I mean, didn't 1824 01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:28.399 you know. I mean, I'll fucking financially. Don't worry about that. 1825 01:32:29.600 --> 01:32:31.720 I want you to try to fornicate with him, have 1826 01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:33.800 sexual relations with him, and see what happens. 1827 01:32:35.439 --> 01:32:37.680 Oh, Boss, you know about about it, But I I 1828 01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:39.479 don't think it's gonna end up too well for you. I'dea, 1829 01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:41.239 it's a big he's a big bastard. I don't know 1830 01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:43.840 if he if he's not up for it, A fearful well, 1831 01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:45.600 it's just you don't have to do it. 1832 01:32:45.760 --> 01:32:47.279 Just kind of, you know, feel him out of for it, 1833 01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:49.920 you know, just I just want to know if, if 1834 01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:54.199 you know where in what capacity justice will be served. 1835 01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:57.520 Describe a waistlock in the hotel lobby. Will you pell 1836 01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:00.520 see how he reacts to that? What I'm doing? 1837 01:33:01.720 --> 01:33:02.399 It's not funny. 1838 01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:05.880 Oh we're just playing around, big Sid. Is that being 1839 01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:07.840 a good joke? You want to come watch the lightnings? 1840 01:33:10.439 --> 01:33:14.279 Don't watch lightning? It scares me. 1841 01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:22.960 She Sid declines the offer, goes into his hotel room, 1842 01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:26.439 pulls the covers up to his chin, and just shudders 1843 01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:28.880 with fear like a dog every time the lightning goes off, 1844 01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:36.439 and then goes hats on the balcony with a high ball. 1845 01:33:37.840 --> 01:33:41.640 Oh wow, that that's an impressive one right there. I mean, I, oh, 1846 01:33:41.720 --> 01:33:45.399 well for you pretty amazing. But Vince has his glasses 1847 01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:48.479 like he's he's working at the desk near the near 1848 01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:49.279 the balcony. 1849 01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:52.640 Yeah, with like a with one little desk lamp. Yeah, 1850 01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:55.720 it's great lightnings and such stuff there. Nature at his best. 1851 01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:00.520 He would say something, Dylan's sitting on the bad like 1852 01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:05.800 like reading a reading Playboy or something. Yeah, yeah, Pat, 1853 01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:09.359 you just enjoy that lightning storm, watched nature to ejaculate 1854 01:34:09.439 --> 01:34:14.319 all over the fucking country whatever it was. If we 1855 01:34:14.439 --> 01:34:17.560 need that more of that, more of nature's scene. 1856 01:34:17.520 --> 01:34:21.960 Oh then you got what Oh but you got to 1857 01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:24.079 come see it. This is it's funny about them. I 1858 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:24.600 got a cop. 1859 01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:24.840 See. 1860 01:34:25.079 --> 01:34:26.600 He's like, all right, oh godcha. 1861 01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:30.279 I've seen I've seen all I need to see of 1862 01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:33.560 nature and all of it's some stormic activity. 1863 01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:38.520 Oh my god. 1864 01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:40.000 You know. 1865 01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:45.000 And they were in they're in Florida. And it became 1866 01:34:45.640 --> 01:34:48.880 it became tough after nineteen ninety two because when he 1867 01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:51.319 had you know what, he asked people if they want 1868 01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:53.439 to go watch the lightning in Tampa. They thought they 1869 01:34:53.560 --> 01:34:57.880 met the hockey team, you know. But so there he 1870 01:34:58.039 --> 01:35:03.479 is said, trembling trembling at the thought, now do you 1871 01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:05.680 remember these vignettes that first started introducing him to or 1872 01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:06.640 how they went about it there. 1873 01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:08.720 I wasn't watching yet. I had no clue when I 1874 01:35:09.039 --> 01:35:11.039 when I when I started watching all I you know, 1875 01:35:11.119 --> 01:35:12.720 I harded hearing about this guy and I was like, 1876 01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:15.000 who the fuck is this Sid? Like, right, he doesn't 1877 01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:19.119 have a has Bro you know, my my roster, and I, 1878 01:35:20.319 --> 01:35:22.920 you know, it's true, the roster that I was familiar 1879 01:35:22.960 --> 01:35:27.840 with were whoever was whoever had a halfbro figure makes 1880 01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:29.640 a ton of sense at that point. The way they 1881 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:32.880 did it was they started shooting vignettes where everybody in 1882 01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:35.960 the roster started talking about the Sid justice that was 1883 01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:38.560 coming to the W And I didn't have any words 1884 01:35:38.560 --> 01:35:40.800 from Sid. It just had a picture of Sid, well, 1885 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:43.600 like a video of Sid close up of him making 1886 01:35:43.720 --> 01:35:46.960 maniacal faces or making you know, kind of normal faces, 1887 01:35:47.039 --> 01:35:50.600 but set to music that was very It wasn't like 1888 01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:54.640 psycho music, but it was kind of like looming, you know, 1889 01:35:54.880 --> 01:35:57.039 foreboding kind of music, like, oh, what is this guy 1890 01:35:57.119 --> 01:35:59.600 going to be about? And they had people from Piper 1891 01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:03.239 to to across the talent roster just do these interviews 1892 01:36:03.239 --> 01:36:05.479 about this guy that's coming in as if they all 1893 01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:07.720 know about him before we've ever laid eyes on him 1894 01:36:07.720 --> 01:36:09.960 as fans, and these things to start earring on primetime 1895 01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:12.399 wrestling and on the syndicated shows, and it's a hell 1896 01:36:12.439 --> 01:36:13.920 of a way to bring a guy in. I can't 1897 01:36:13.960 --> 01:36:16.960 remember them doing it quite this way where they have 1898 01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:19.640 a bunch of wrestlers talk about the arrival of a 1899 01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:23.680 guy before he gets there, you know, and such. That's fascinating. 1900 01:36:24.279 --> 01:36:25.960 And this is at a time when you know, certainly 1901 01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:29.039 there'd be WCW fans that would recognize him. But this 1902 01:36:29.199 --> 01:36:31.560 is not at a time where you came in, you know, 1903 01:36:31.640 --> 01:36:34.359 to WWF and most of the fans knew who you 1904 01:36:34.399 --> 01:36:37.920 were ahead of time. So they could really mold this 1905 01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:41.079 clay in terms of how fans would perceive Sid coming 1906 01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:43.840 in the door without a ton of context. And so 1907 01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:45.840 here's a sample of how it starts to sound on 1908 01:36:46.079 --> 01:36:48.439 primetime and we'll we'll dig into this a little more 1909 01:36:48.439 --> 01:36:56.800 as we got any. 1910 01:36:58.239 --> 01:36:58.479 Launch. 1911 01:37:00.319 --> 01:37:06.000 Stay are shitty, got three and seventeen pounds, six foot nine. 1912 01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:08.840 Justice can do anything he wants to. 1913 01:37:18.359 --> 01:37:19.199 Sid Justice. 1914 01:37:19.800 --> 01:37:21.800 He's just the man I've been looking for. 1915 01:37:22.479 --> 01:37:26.840 With your size and intensity, you're a prime candidate for 1916 01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:28.520 my chief tax collector. 1917 01:37:29.159 --> 01:37:30.880 And you know what that means, you. 1918 01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:33.640 Tax cheats out there wouldn't be able to cheat one 1919 01:37:33.800 --> 01:37:39.279 more day, Bobby he In. 1920 01:37:39.399 --> 01:37:42.000 The mystery continues to grow concerning this. 1921 01:37:42.199 --> 01:37:44.199 New arrival here in the World Wrestling Federation. 1922 01:37:44.079 --> 01:37:48.079 Sid Justice, Well, I know Jimmy Hart and Sessational Sherry 1923 01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:50.199 and coach, and I know some of the people are 1924 01:37:50.319 --> 01:37:52.279 are we really looking forward to signing this guy up? 1925 01:37:52.600 --> 01:37:54.880 But well, perhaps he doesn't want a manager. 1926 01:37:54.920 --> 01:37:55.319 I don't know. 1927 01:37:55.520 --> 01:37:56.600 Perhaps he's on his own. 1928 01:37:56.960 --> 01:37:58.359 Big as he is, he can be on his own, 1929 01:37:58.359 --> 01:37:59.079 he can be alone. 1930 01:38:01.439 --> 01:38:03.920 So there's all that booing, I sort of think that 1931 01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:08.800 it was Skinner coming down. Yeah, that's probably got it from. Honestly, 1932 01:38:09.640 --> 01:38:11.359 I watched a Prime Time where Skinner was on and 1933 01:38:11.399 --> 01:38:12.800 all I heard was booing when they went back to 1934 01:38:12.880 --> 01:38:17.479 the studio. But that's pretty fucking intriguing for the time. 1935 01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:19.880 I want to know what this guy's about. After that. 1936 01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:23.159 Of course, Roddy Piper at ir S there on those 1937 01:38:23.199 --> 01:38:26.119 pre tapes, and Sean Mooney and Bobby Heenan inside the 1938 01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:28.760 Primetime wrestling studio where they filmed it, filled it rather 1939 01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:33.680 with Titan employees to cheer or jeer as appropriate. So 1940 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:35.279 that's how we started hearing about this Sid And you 1941 01:38:35.319 --> 01:38:39.239 heard that music, man, that's that's some like scary music there. 1942 01:38:39.319 --> 01:38:39.520 It is. 1943 01:38:39.720 --> 01:38:43.840 It's definite thing that I would be I was expecting. 1944 01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:47.760 So we go forward to July and as these things 1945 01:38:47.800 --> 01:38:53.039 are airing on WWF Television WWF Tapes TV at the 1946 01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:57.920 Saddle Dome in Calgary, and what this is is Sid's 1947 01:38:58.159 --> 01:39:03.239 very first w w F. The aforementioned appearances were him 1948 01:39:03.359 --> 01:39:05.359 running out when a heel issues a challenge in clearing 1949 01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:09.159 the ring, not having a bona fide matchup, and do 1950 01:39:09.199 --> 01:39:10.359 you know what's great about this match? 1951 01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:10.560 Boss? 1952 01:39:12.000 --> 01:39:15.600 They released it on the WWE unreleased DVD set Get 1953 01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:18.159 Out of Here? Are you prepared to watch Sid's very 1954 01:39:18.279 --> 01:39:22.600 first WWF match? No talk about and while I prepare, 1955 01:39:22.680 --> 01:39:26.319 this your earliest memory of him in the ring, Like, 1956 01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:27.920 what do you remember him doing in the ring? 1957 01:39:28.319 --> 01:39:30.960 I'm trying to remember it now. I imagine that I 1958 01:39:31.119 --> 01:39:36.399 saw him. I imagine that it's funny. So I imagine 1959 01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:39.520 that I must have seen him on All American Wrestling 1960 01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:42.039 at some point, because that's pretty much all I was 1961 01:39:42.079 --> 01:39:46.960 watching during late ninety one was All American Wrestling. So 1962 01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:49.399 I imagine he must have wrestled at some point on there, 1963 01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:54.600 But honestly, the first real memory I have of him 1964 01:39:54.600 --> 01:39:58.960 in the ring is that that I can concretely remember 1965 01:39:59.239 --> 01:40:03.399 is that Saturday Night main event, he and Hogan. That's 1966 01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:06.359 what I can definitely remember as being you know, I 1967 01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:10.439 know I saw him wrestle there, but I'm wonder if 1968 01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:12.680 you have such a gesus he was like top of 1969 01:40:12.720 --> 01:40:17.840 his game by then. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's kind 1970 01:40:17.880 --> 01:40:20.600 of that's kind of it, like that's where that's that's 1971 01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:23.960 my my biggest memory of when he turns on Hogan 1972 01:40:24.039 --> 01:40:26.880 and becomes the really crazy psychopath. 1973 01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:30.039 So you really had no conception of Sid as a babyface. 1974 01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:32.199 You really just learned of him very It. 1975 01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:34.399 Was very little. Like I mean again, I was watching, 1976 01:40:34.520 --> 01:40:36.800 and so I knew who he was, and I must 1977 01:40:36.880 --> 01:40:39.520 have seen him wrestle against the Jobber. I must have, 1978 01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:42.199 because I'm sure he was doing it fairly regularly, given 1979 01:40:42.279 --> 01:40:46.840 that he was still so fresh, you know, but I 1980 01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:50.560 I didn't really know. I certainly didn't know about any 1981 01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:56.159 affiliation with Hogan or really this much about this uh, 1982 01:40:56.279 --> 01:41:02.760 this Jake Roberts thing either, right, But you know, I 1983 01:41:02.840 --> 01:41:04.279 knew he was a baby face. I knew he was 1984 01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:08.680 a good guy, and I knew by February that he 1985 01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:10.279 was a friend of hultkviin. So if he's a friend 1986 01:41:10.279 --> 01:41:11.399 of Hull Covid, he's a friend of mine. 1987 01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:14.279 Open that little link I just dropped in your email 1988 01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:17.359 box there, and we're about to watch and it's available 1989 01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:21.560 on YouTube, isolated from the aforementioned unreleased set that came 1990 01:41:21.600 --> 01:41:23.119 out with It's like a three disc set with a 1991 01:41:23.159 --> 01:41:27.239 bunch of matches that are just historical curiosities. Yeah, they 1992 01:41:27.319 --> 01:41:30.520 had Sean Mooney and Charlie Caruso. I think do the 1993 01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:34.520 stuff in studio, not between the matches. But here it is, 1994 01:41:34.640 --> 01:41:36.960 and you're going to listen along. This is, of course 1995 01:41:37.079 --> 01:41:39.920 not it's on television taping, but it's not tape for distribution, 1996 01:41:40.039 --> 01:41:43.159 so there's no commentary right for the match, but you 1997 01:41:43.199 --> 01:41:44.680 can hear the sights and sounds of the building and 1998 01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:47.800 the ring and everything. Let me know when you're ready, 1999 01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:49.880 and we're gonna watch it along with the Solar. I'm 2000 01:41:49.920 --> 01:41:52.239 ready to go, So if you have it, follow my lead. 2001 01:41:52.479 --> 01:41:59.159 I'm going to hover here over the play button and 2002 01:41:59.239 --> 01:42:10.520 we're gonna play on my one three two one the 2003 01:42:10.640 --> 01:42:13.640 following contests right one. 2004 01:42:13.720 --> 01:42:17.399 Ball, left pointed to the ring license, nice and all. 2005 01:42:17.560 --> 01:42:23.359 Sure by the sensations sixty pounds making old jacket, I 2006 01:42:23.399 --> 01:42:24.279 guess he was as. 2007 01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:26.640 The pairs. 2008 01:42:28.800 --> 01:42:33.079 Million dollars of tad do be awfi you. 2009 01:42:33.119 --> 01:42:34.239 Can hear my audio pops. 2010 01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:51.359 Yes, where Mike McGirk. 2011 01:42:52.680 --> 01:42:54.840 And his opponents for the first time. 2012 01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:59.199 Weighing a three hundred and eighteen pounds. I'm hailing from 2013 01:42:59.319 --> 01:42:59.880 any place. 2014 01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:04.199 He wants to make Jess said. 2015 01:43:05.119 --> 01:43:12.479 Justice all music. I can hit him tower above the people, 2016 01:43:12.520 --> 01:43:13.399 and he's over the hid. 2017 01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:18.199 Everybody in waw wrestling rating, they notice what man they're 2018 01:43:18.359 --> 01:43:19.479 what they man? 2019 01:43:20.399 --> 01:43:22.279 The man is aid Justice. 2020 01:43:23.439 --> 01:43:25.520 So I was doing that whole short monologue to the 2021 01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:29.760 cameo from the very beginner. Yet and he's got red trunks. 2022 01:43:30.319 --> 01:43:34.000 Wow oo, I sure he doesn't let it ok, that's 2023 01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:36.760 got rass on it. Put of the distractions. The dibios 2024 01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:39.760 can kick it off for the fetal accident and learn 2025 01:43:39.800 --> 01:43:42.720 also set So I invite to look at sid as 2026 01:43:42.720 --> 01:43:43.039 a face. 2027 01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:43.239 Here. 2028 01:43:43.479 --> 01:43:45.680 This is this is the most unvarnished. 2029 01:43:46.079 --> 01:43:53.079 Like a few week I get to my parents for sEH. 2030 01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:58.159 It's it's faster than they put him against Ted dibiosiste. 2031 01:43:58.720 --> 01:43:59.640 Yeah that says a lot too. 2032 01:44:00.239 --> 01:44:04.159 Yeah, okay, well established of course reverse the ropitep. That's hilariot. 2033 01:44:05.439 --> 01:44:06.279 It's one of the abs. 2034 01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:09.520 And Ted's pumping for him like you would a big 2035 01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:13.680 time to anything yep. And sixteen the floor goes tap 2036 01:44:14.640 --> 01:44:17.119 and so he's screaming like he's a big ten day before. 2037 01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:26.399 It's funny because say Ted as a podcast and co 2038 01:44:26.600 --> 01:44:29.439 host friend said died bid an episode of course, said, 2039 01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:32.039 is a snapshot happen And they try trying to get 2040 01:44:32.439 --> 01:44:34.760 Ted to talk about this match, and they kind of, 2041 01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:36.600 you know, if it was simple like the Devins had 2042 01:44:36.640 --> 01:44:38.560 trust and tend to figure out if sid was in 2043 01:44:38.600 --> 01:44:40.840 the bookcause it's such a tripping out or the title. Yeah, 2044 01:44:41.000 --> 01:44:43.159 and doesn't remember who fucking doesn't remember a day of 2045 01:44:43.239 --> 01:44:44.319 this question. 2046 01:44:44.279 --> 01:44:48.600 A minute of this match said, uh gets table to 2047 01:44:48.680 --> 01:44:50.640 big a time of trap. Yes, it's over at the 2048 01:44:50.640 --> 01:44:52.319 top of the floor. Then I take it together show 2049 01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:56.159 the imagine being his uh you know, being his coach 2050 01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:57.960 hos time on the show and like you know, you're 2051 01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:01.399 pulled building your whole show around Ted talking about this. 2052 01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:05.399 Match, no fucking number round and as it so fucking 2053 01:45:05.439 --> 01:45:10.880 the totally run down. But I'm sure there is. 2054 01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:11.319 Something to do. 2055 01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:13.800 I'm sure Vince parried him in his first aunt to 2056 01:45:13.960 --> 01:45:16.359 do the gunner and I do the asses. Yeah, sure, 2057 01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:20.359 see I never conn a little at a million bucks. Yeah, 2058 01:45:20.720 --> 01:45:22.319 if you can ever put ants up into asso and 2059 01:45:22.479 --> 01:45:25.319 you're not gonna have the knife Ted picking them up 2060 01:45:25.319 --> 01:45:26.920 and dragon and said to the floor. It's just wild this, 2061 01:45:27.079 --> 01:45:30.800 he said, selling like this, like kicking the chops. It's 2062 01:45:30.800 --> 01:45:32.479 almost like they want to see the full rings that 2063 01:45:32.520 --> 01:45:32.760 that you. 2064 01:45:32.760 --> 01:45:33.119 Can do it? 2065 01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:37.960 Yeah, already, then pushing some tools wake. 2066 01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:41.319 They also trust to one set of the post, so 2067 01:45:41.479 --> 01:45:43.399 pushes any from the floor and he also takes it 2068 01:45:43.479 --> 01:45:50.319 on the shower and the red truck trag flat tray. 2069 01:45:50.359 --> 01:45:51.239 That tchabout that? 2070 01:45:53.920 --> 01:45:57.840 I screaming, he says. The rod here are by a 2071 01:45:57.880 --> 01:46:02.880 show can hide that drop? How about sid paar enough 2072 01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:05.600 background and the drop to me, I love that. 2073 01:46:05.800 --> 01:46:08.000 That's it. That's just thing I thought for the new arms, 2074 01:46:08.439 --> 01:46:09.760 and we started doing as old as. 2075 01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:11.520 The skyscraper days to put the crowd on the side. 2076 01:46:13.479 --> 01:46:15.159 Very sid oh the. 2077 01:46:15.159 --> 01:46:19.119 Loaded hers shows a purse, tell him. 2078 01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:22.079 And that's why jesus you get up there. I havn't 2079 01:46:22.079 --> 01:46:30.920 said did Clinton take fully black bunks try to show 2080 01:46:31.000 --> 01:46:34.600 that he's he's a team play. Would him takes high 2081 01:46:34.720 --> 01:46:38.239 bus for you can't take me be awesome? 2082 01:46:40.760 --> 01:46:42.680 It probably is exquesting that if I want to be 2083 01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:44.079 a baby face, you need to see what it looks 2084 01:46:44.159 --> 01:46:44.920 like for yourself. 2085 01:46:45.920 --> 01:46:49.359 Jesus fucking flu you doing a big times if I 2086 01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:52.760 believe that you love Jesus girl. 2087 01:46:52.640 --> 01:46:57.119 Power to kick out. I look at the traps on Sid. 2088 01:46:57.359 --> 01:47:02.560 Look at it, look big traps there you strang? 2089 01:47:03.640 --> 01:47:03.680 What? 2090 01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:04.840 Yes? 2091 01:47:04.920 --> 01:47:06.159 He did the fist drop Sid set up. 2092 01:47:06.159 --> 01:47:08.840 I gotta talking about ah and this one he doesn't 2093 01:47:08.880 --> 01:47:11.600 really he's dead. I used to love how said he 2094 01:47:11.680 --> 01:47:15.960 used to sell just emotions. 2095 01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:22.159 I am. 2096 01:47:22.560 --> 01:47:28.720 I am not going to suggest winning sed. 2097 01:47:29.600 --> 01:47:29.920 I don't know. 2098 01:47:30.039 --> 01:47:32.800 I wasn't expecting. He just fucking fell light flat back 2099 01:47:32.880 --> 01:47:35.199 and said, shown who can take a vertical sup. 2100 01:47:35.159 --> 01:47:36.479 Life to kill. 2101 01:47:39.880 --> 01:47:42.199 Though. I haven't really got to teach to call. 2102 01:47:43.479 --> 01:47:46.279 And inter way war for her rights. 2103 01:47:46.439 --> 01:47:47.680 I just want to kind of see what you can do. 2104 01:47:48.079 --> 01:47:49.800 You're gonna kind of lose, and you're able. 2105 01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:58.199 You're arsenal. You're allowed to portray him entertainment stand part 2106 01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:01.479 and were being entertain right now, said Hits it takes 2107 01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:04.119 a thin body snag from Tobasso falls off the middle 2108 01:48:04.199 --> 01:48:07.760 right with that back of their attacks. It's stupid. This 2109 01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:09.520 is a stupid way. 2110 01:48:11.439 --> 01:48:16.239 It said, catches an inner right hand. Oh goes off 2111 01:48:16.399 --> 01:48:21.840 that fucking face because big white hands come on the 2112 01:48:22.159 --> 01:48:25.640 DBS and buckle Si with the stinger splash. Who ever 2113 01:48:25.680 --> 01:48:26.399 saw that from him? 2114 01:48:29.439 --> 01:48:32.079 That was like, you know, almost a Stiller splash, but 2115 01:48:32.319 --> 01:48:38.439 he kind of shoulder first and lag deep stir in. 2116 01:48:38.479 --> 01:48:40.359 The next to second attack on the right guns one 2117 01:48:40.399 --> 01:48:43.119 times there gets said Basco man that a repining verdict 2118 01:48:43.279 --> 01:48:44.840 takes off for the double acid on the back of 2119 01:48:44.880 --> 01:48:49.880 the head. Those golden curls of said justice ship looks 2120 01:48:50.039 --> 01:48:53.399 up the garnish with big ten reversal by Sid who 2121 01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:55.600 we got here, we are, here, we go where we 2122 01:48:55.680 --> 01:48:57.640 go power bomb and they know. 2123 01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:02.359 He falls with it to the knee, stucks him up. 2124 01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:04.039 It's over. 2125 01:49:04.800 --> 01:49:06.399 Who as a sheet. 2126 01:49:08.039 --> 01:49:08.600 All music. 2127 01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:15.960 Either's people raising hulk hogn videos. That's kind of. 2128 01:49:17.479 --> 01:49:19.439 Imagine going home from the saddle down that night and 2129 01:49:19.520 --> 01:49:22.640 be like, yes, Sid was there and he fucking beat 2130 01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:23.920 Dbasi with no problem. 2131 01:49:25.840 --> 01:49:26.239 Unreal. 2132 01:49:26.840 --> 01:49:28.880 I mean, maybe they came out with this because there 2133 01:49:28.920 --> 01:49:30.720 was a period of time where I wasn't paying very 2134 01:49:30.760 --> 01:49:33.960 close attention to WWDVD releases. Maybe they came out with 2135 01:49:34.000 --> 01:49:35.720 this and I don't know, but where is the DVD 2136 01:49:36.760 --> 01:49:39.760 with everyone's everyone who matters first match? 2137 01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:42.279 You know what I mean? Man? They should do that. 2138 01:49:43.800 --> 01:49:47.079 That'd be tremendous, at least their first televised match, their 2139 01:49:47.159 --> 01:49:51.439 first first match taped, because I'm you know, not everybody 2140 01:49:51.479 --> 01:49:53.199 starts on a TV taping like this, though I bet 2141 01:49:53.239 --> 01:49:54.760 a lot more do than you would think that matter 2142 01:49:54.880 --> 01:49:57.239 that who he would care to see their first WWF 2143 01:49:57.319 --> 01:49:59.880 match on? But there should be a release. I mean 2144 01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:04.439 seven discs. I don't care of everyone who's ever mattered 2145 01:50:04.479 --> 01:50:06.880 the first match they've ever had on tape for WWF. 2146 01:50:07.239 --> 01:50:08.039 Get to work, folks. 2147 01:50:08.079 --> 01:50:08.479 Where is it? 2148 01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:08.880 Yeah? 2149 01:50:09.680 --> 01:50:12.119 Right, get it out? Put it on peacock Like, what 2150 01:50:12.239 --> 01:50:13.800 the fuck are you waiting for? Put ads in there, 2151 01:50:13.880 --> 01:50:17.000 programmatic ads each match. Let's make some money here and 2152 01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:20.720 let's give the people. Let's finally realize the promise. 2153 01:50:20.439 --> 01:50:20.840 Of the vault. 2154 01:50:21.000 --> 01:50:23.319 Do you know what I'm saying exactly? This is a 2155 01:50:23.439 --> 01:50:26.079 tantalizing glimpse, this unreleased matches thing of what they could do. 2156 01:50:26.800 --> 01:50:29.640 But it's just like a grab bag of different matches 2157 01:50:29.720 --> 01:50:31.640 that you know, you might be curious about that never 2158 01:50:31.840 --> 01:50:33.600 saw air, and this is a great example of it. 2159 01:50:33.720 --> 01:50:37.279 So I think that'd be an amazing DVD set to 2160 01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:41.640 just have all, like a number of people's first WWE matches. 2161 01:50:41.800 --> 01:50:43.680 And it'd be so much sweeter too, if it's like 2162 01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:46.000 this one where there's no commentary and you just get 2163 01:50:46.039 --> 01:50:49.439 to hear the crowd's organic reactions seeing this character for 2164 01:50:49.520 --> 01:50:54.239 the first time. Amazing, amazing stuff. So so fortunate that 2165 01:50:54.359 --> 01:50:57.640 this came out, you know, and that we weren't toasting 2166 01:50:57.760 --> 01:50:59.560 Sid before we got a chance to see a match 2167 01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:03.399 like this. Yeah, that's been one of the magic of TLFX. 2168 01:51:03.520 --> 01:51:03.640 Man. 2169 01:51:04.199 --> 01:51:07.920 As we've gone, it's become more and more sensible to 2170 01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:10.239 look back on careers because more and more material has 2171 01:51:10.359 --> 01:51:13.800 come out. It's just like, the access to stuff like 2172 01:51:13.880 --> 01:51:15.800 this that we had to just imagine in our heads 2173 01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:19.600 before is it's just amazing. So he continues on the 2174 01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:22.159 loop that again was July eighth of nineteen ninety one. 2175 01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:24.760 He turns around works July ninth, nineteen ninety one, a 2176 01:51:24.800 --> 01:51:29.359 TV taping in Edmonton defeating the Warlord does Sid justice again? 2177 01:51:29.880 --> 01:51:32.279 I believe in a match that never saw air. He 2178 01:51:32.359 --> 01:51:34.119 then moves to the team it ain't so I know 2179 01:51:34.239 --> 01:51:36.439 it's not fair, and look at this is in keeping 2180 01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:38.840 with the promise he's not in any house shows. He 2181 01:51:38.960 --> 01:51:40.880 jumps next to a TV taping in Worcester, mass on 2182 01:51:40.960 --> 01:51:43.960 July twenty ninth, where he takes on Typhoon and defeats him. 2183 01:51:44.319 --> 01:51:46.000 And then he jumps to a TV taping in Portland, 2184 01:51:46.039 --> 01:51:48.800 Maine on July thirtieth, nineteen ninety one, to defeat Typhoon again. 2185 01:51:49.319 --> 01:51:49.600 Wow. 2186 01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:52.239 And he made his WWF television debut on the July 2187 01:51:52.439 --> 01:51:56.319 twentieth episode of Superstars of Wrestling, and it just goes 2188 01:51:56.359 --> 01:51:59.800 from there. Now, what we're about to watch is a series. 2189 01:52:00.199 --> 01:52:02.880 It's it's like a it's a compilation that someone put 2190 01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:04.640 together on YouTube, and I'll be sure to shout them 2191 01:52:04.680 --> 01:52:07.199 out here, but I think it's a really nice compendium 2192 01:52:07.239 --> 01:52:09.039 that kind of gets us up to speed on how 2193 01:52:09.119 --> 01:52:11.960 sid was being presented in these early WWF days, including 2194 01:52:11.960 --> 01:52:14.920 I mean we're talking July here, not much time until survivors, 2195 01:52:15.359 --> 01:52:16.439 pardon me, until SummerSlam. 2196 01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:17.359 SummerSlam. 2197 01:52:17.439 --> 01:52:19.039 Yeah, so you got to get him positioned as the 2198 01:52:19.039 --> 01:52:22.239 special guest referee, and you know things are on the 2199 01:52:22.279 --> 01:52:24.520 skids with Warrior and WWF, so I'm sure Vince is 2200 01:52:24.560 --> 01:52:27.279 starting to have a wandering eye as far as you know. 2201 01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:29.720 If if we don't have much time left with the 2202 01:52:29.720 --> 01:52:31.279 Warrior because he's such a pain in the ass, how 2203 01:52:31.319 --> 01:52:33.920 am I going to position the next baby face to 2204 01:52:33.920 --> 01:52:34.800 get the hulk Hogan rub? 2205 01:52:35.199 --> 01:52:38.159 How can I get Sid to be the next Hulk Hogan? Wait? 2206 01:52:38.239 --> 01:52:38.279 What? 2207 01:52:41.560 --> 01:52:44.119 Who's the next hull Hogan brother? What do you mean, dude? 2208 01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:46.000 Who's the heck hul Hogan brother? Terry? 2209 01:52:46.920 --> 01:52:48.479 I just felt obliged to call you. I just got 2210 01:52:48.520 --> 01:52:51.319 off the phone with Sid from ww and he had 2211 01:52:51.359 --> 01:52:53.760 one He had one wish. I said, you know, here's 2212 01:52:53.800 --> 01:52:56.199 the magic wand and well, what do you want? 2213 01:52:56.439 --> 01:52:56.520 Right? 2214 01:52:56.600 --> 01:52:58.359 I want to see what he'd come up with? And 2215 01:52:59.399 --> 01:53:01.319 I want to run a by your pal. He said 2216 01:53:01.319 --> 01:53:02.279 he wants Hogan spot. 2217 01:53:04.279 --> 01:53:08.720 What do you mean by that? Brother? I said, said, 2218 01:53:08.720 --> 01:53:10.800 what do you want? And he said, I want huld 2219 01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:13.319 Cogan spot? And I said, all right, you got it. 2220 01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:19.279 How do you feel about that, Terry? What do you 2221 01:53:19.399 --> 01:53:24.600 mean by how I feel? It's gone? Dallest thing back, dude, 2222 01:53:24.600 --> 01:53:26.920 For a moment, It's kind of like whoa dude, and 2223 01:53:27.079 --> 01:53:29.800 I kind of jumped ahead, Brother kind of came, you know, 2224 01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:31.640 kind of jumped the gun and the whole thing. Dude, 2225 01:53:33.680 --> 01:53:37.960 who are you talking about? Brother, I'm talking about Sid 2226 01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:47.760 said so Justice the next hult Cogan, h U who 2227 01:53:47.760 --> 01:53:51.359 you been talking to? Brother? I'm not gonna said, what 2228 01:53:51.399 --> 01:53:52.439 do you mean? Said dude. 2229 01:53:53.239 --> 01:53:54.720 I'm sorry, dude. I'm in a little bit of a 2230 01:53:54.720 --> 01:53:55.680 state of shock right now. 2231 01:53:56.159 --> 01:53:59.039 I gotta say, dude, I'm taking a back Brother, and 2232 01:53:59.119 --> 01:54:01.399 I'm kind of like, you know, kind of replay kind. 2233 01:54:01.239 --> 01:54:03.079 Of I'm waiting for you to like laugh or like 2234 01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:05.119 you know, just say you're you're you're ribbing me and 2235 01:54:05.359 --> 01:54:06.159 you're not doing that. 2236 01:54:06.479 --> 01:54:08.479 I'm kind of replaying the last like seven years in 2237 01:54:08.520 --> 01:54:10.800 my mind, dude, at at a kind of drastic pace. 2238 01:54:11.159 --> 01:54:14.119 I was kind of understanding, dude, dude, where does Sid 2239 01:54:14.279 --> 01:54:17.920 kind of you know the equation? Brother, I'm not really 2240 01:54:18.119 --> 01:54:20.000 kind of digging this kind of creative move, Dude. 2241 01:54:20.039 --> 01:54:23.760 I've seen him. He's Jack Brother, looks like a million 2242 01:54:23.840 --> 01:54:27.279 bucks dude, but you told him he could have my spot? 2243 01:54:27.439 --> 01:54:29.520 Like what I mean, well, how do we know what 2244 01:54:29.640 --> 01:54:32.000 you're going on? Hiatus? And uh, you know you gotta 2245 01:54:32.079 --> 01:54:33.960 leave you know, steroids and all that ship. We gotta, 2246 01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:35.439 we gotta let you go. I said, he can be. 2247 01:54:37.000 --> 01:54:42.960 You can take the Hulk Hogan spot. What do you 2248 01:54:43.039 --> 01:54:45.319 mean by that, brother, Well, I mean you go and 2249 01:54:45.399 --> 01:54:49.640 the next day and you know, we introduce Hulk Hogan 2250 01:54:50.000 --> 01:54:58.319 and said, Justice, what you're gonna be Hulk Cogan. Dude, well, 2251 01:54:58.319 --> 01:55:01.640 he's not gonna be Terry Blea. He's gonna be We're 2252 01:55:01.640 --> 01:55:01.880 gonna be. 2253 01:55:02.279 --> 01:55:05.840 We thought for a second, okay, well I'm not as 2254 01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:08.159 weird as I was, because at first, brother, I thought 2255 01:55:08.199 --> 01:55:10.399 you meant you were gonna put yellow trunks on him 2256 01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:13.640 and call him Hulk Hogan. I mean, that's my spot. 2257 01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:16.399 I mean, hmm, it's sound like you're above doing it 2258 01:55:16.479 --> 01:55:19.399 with sit and diesel. I mean with a razor and diesel. 2259 01:55:21.319 --> 01:55:23.960 I'm gonna he's gonna he's gonna come down. So right now, 2260 01:55:24.039 --> 01:55:27.880 he said, Justice, Right, I get it. So you know 2261 01:55:27.960 --> 01:55:32.079 you're gonna go, You're gonna go take your hiatus after WrestleMania, 2262 01:55:32.680 --> 01:55:35.880 and so right after that was You're gone. He's gonna 2263 01:55:35.880 --> 01:55:38.359 be hul Cogan. He's gonna come down with the whole 2264 01:55:38.399 --> 01:55:41.479 Camania shirt and red in the yellow and he's gonna 2265 01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:43.880 come down, it's gonna rip it off. And so I say, 2266 01:55:43.960 --> 01:55:46.760 you know what you're gonna do? Brother, I'm hul Cogan. 2267 01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:51.279 I don't. 2268 01:55:55.199 --> 01:56:05.119 I'm just gonna little m I don't know. Can you 2269 01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:08.680 plan a you could you just kind of go step 2270 01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:15.520 by step? Brother? What is it? How are you bookings? 2271 01:56:16.479 --> 01:56:19.239 Need to understand? Like what am I kind of like? 2272 01:56:19.399 --> 01:56:21.439 What am I am? I putting my my my gimmick 2273 01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:23.159 on the line. Dude? Is that what I mean? 2274 01:56:23.199 --> 01:56:24.000 I'm the red and yellow. 2275 01:56:24.920 --> 01:56:25.000 Ye. 2276 01:56:25.199 --> 01:56:26.920 You're saying he's gonna have yellow trunks. No, Terry, He's 2277 01:56:26.920 --> 01:56:30.000 gonna have red trunks, red trunks. 2278 01:56:30.000 --> 01:56:32.479 He's going to be brother of the the the the 2279 01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:33.439 other whole Cogan. 2280 01:56:34.079 --> 01:56:36.600 What what. 2281 01:56:38.239 --> 01:56:40.439 What do you mean? What what what other Hull Cogan 2282 01:56:41.640 --> 01:56:44.600 is gonna be the you know whole Cogan number two brother? 2283 01:56:44.800 --> 01:56:45.800 Like Invader number two. 2284 01:56:46.000 --> 01:56:49.079 You know Assassin number two. You know we always wrestling to. 2285 01:56:50.159 --> 01:56:51.760 What do you what do you have there? And they 2286 01:56:51.880 --> 01:56:54.479 get you know, number one number two, you get the 2287 01:56:54.760 --> 01:56:58.319 Mass Superstar number one, you have Mass super Terry. 2288 01:56:58.359 --> 01:57:01.640 Come on, come on, you know Tim Woods, right, mister 2289 01:57:01.680 --> 01:57:02.840 wrestling too in Atlanta? 2290 01:57:02.920 --> 01:57:06.159 What you know what Woods? Dude? 2291 01:57:06.159 --> 01:57:07.279 What a tremendous. 2292 01:57:07.319 --> 01:57:07.479 Mark. 2293 01:57:08.680 --> 01:57:10.560 What I'm trying to say in our business, Terry, there's 2294 01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:16.119 a rich heritage of number twos. We believe in number two, 2295 01:57:18.039 --> 01:57:21.399 no matter where it lands, no matter who's facing. And 2296 01:57:21.439 --> 01:57:23.920 I'll tell you, we believe in number two. And I'm 2297 01:57:23.960 --> 01:57:27.000 a big fan of number two. So we're gonna we're gonna, 2298 01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:30.439 you know, he's so so yes, he'll be hul Cogan 2299 01:57:30.520 --> 01:57:33.399 number two, and then he's gonna become hul Covid number 2300 01:57:33.439 --> 01:57:38.119 one after you're gone. Instead of mister wrestling too, we're 2301 01:57:38.159 --> 01:57:42.560 gonna call him Hulk Hogan number two. Well, mister Hulk 2302 01:57:42.600 --> 01:57:46.239 Hogan two, it's gonna be his name, mister, mister Hulk 2303 01:57:46.279 --> 01:57:54.079 Hogan two. All right, fine, another shirt, mister, and. 2304 01:57:54.119 --> 01:57:56.560 Then and then you come back. But eventually he's going 2305 01:57:56.600 --> 01:57:59.680 to become mister Hulk Hogan one. And then you come 2306 01:57:59.760 --> 01:58:03.079 back and you're mister mister Hulk Covid number two, and 2307 01:58:03.239 --> 01:58:14.239 Rocks are gonna call you Hulk dookie. What's going on, dude, 2308 01:58:14.239 --> 01:58:15.760 I'm kind of are you ribbing me? 2309 01:58:15.840 --> 01:58:16.000 Brother? 2310 01:58:16.039 --> 01:58:20.560 I'm in his I feel like I'm getting April? All right? 2311 01:58:20.600 --> 01:58:24.000 Are we talking double ribs? Dude? Well, brother, I'll just 2312 01:58:24.239 --> 01:58:27.840 what's next the ribs? Dude? Are we there? Are we there? Exactly? 2313 01:58:27.960 --> 01:58:29.760 Are we at the point of double ribs? Are we 2314 01:58:29.840 --> 01:58:31.000 at the point of meta ribs? 2315 01:58:32.039 --> 01:58:35.279 Brother? What's next? Interested we can go out? There's a 2316 01:58:35.359 --> 01:58:36.920 barbecue place where you can go do we can get 2317 01:58:37.039 --> 01:58:40.960 double ribs? If that's what you're feeling, dude, I'm are 2318 01:58:41.039 --> 01:58:42.239 you double ribbing me? Brother? 2319 01:58:42.319 --> 01:58:44.720 What's next? Like Doukie house a m D Brother? 2320 01:58:47.359 --> 01:58:49.560 I mean, what do you want me to fucking doctor? Dude? 2321 01:58:50.439 --> 01:58:55.479 Is that what I'm doctor? Doctor? Doukie? Dude? Well, I mean, 2322 01:58:55.680 --> 01:58:57.680 Terry's not a bad idea, brother, I've. 2323 01:58:57.520 --> 01:58:58.279 Been here a long time. 2324 01:58:58.359 --> 01:58:58.560 Dude. 2325 01:58:58.800 --> 01:59:00.439 Made you a lot of money, brother, and you made 2326 01:59:00.439 --> 01:59:02.680 me a lot of money to it. I'm forever appreciative, brother. 2327 01:59:02.920 --> 01:59:05.199 But to have this bullshit of Hulk Hogan number two 2328 01:59:05.279 --> 01:59:07.359 come in, brother, and you're gonna actually call him that? 2329 01:59:07.880 --> 01:59:10.239 I mean this, this dude's big, but he's no Hulk Hogan, brother, 2330 01:59:10.279 --> 01:59:11.720 and he's definitely no hul Hogan number two. 2331 01:59:11.800 --> 01:59:13.359 Here's the thing, Terry, I mean, how do we know 2332 01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:14.319 he's on a hul COVID? 2333 01:59:14.760 --> 01:59:17.760 What that was? 2334 01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:18.359 Immediate? 2335 01:59:18.880 --> 01:59:19.119 Terry? 2336 01:59:19.119 --> 01:59:20.520 How do we know he's out a hull COVID. What 2337 01:59:22.640 --> 01:59:28.720 let me get a sentence out first, pal, here's a box. 2338 01:59:29.039 --> 01:59:32.079 I'm here, not done speaking, Terry, you just gotta wait till. 2339 01:59:32.239 --> 01:59:35.399 What Look, here's some schematics. We've drown up here, sit 2340 01:59:35.479 --> 01:59:36.479 on a box of wheaties. 2341 01:59:38.000 --> 01:59:41.359 Look what we've done is we've done We've we've kind 2342 01:59:41.399 --> 01:59:47.039 of done a a A A an image alteration and 2343 01:59:47.199 --> 01:59:52.039 we've looked like we've seen what sid you know, mister 2344 01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:55.000 Hulk Hogan too would look like on the cover of 2345 01:59:55.159 --> 02:00:03.560 Sports Illustrated, the same one. Oh yeah, we're gonna put 2346 02:00:03.560 --> 02:00:06.279 this out there. We're gonna, you know, after your take 2347 02:00:06.319 --> 02:00:11.439 your hiatus because of your you know, you're misuse of steroids, 2348 02:00:11.479 --> 02:00:14.800 We're gonna bring in problem and so I'll have a problem, dude. 2349 02:00:14.840 --> 02:00:17.119 I'm I'm what do you mean a problem? I'm dude. 2350 02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:20.079 I've used steroids, brother, but I'm not a steroid abuser dude. 2351 02:00:20.279 --> 02:00:22.199 And we're gonna bring in someone in your stead that 2352 02:00:22.319 --> 02:00:24.279 definitely doesn't use steroids and said. 2353 02:00:24.880 --> 02:00:27.159 Well we know for a fact that terror that that 2354 02:00:27.399 --> 02:00:32.720 that that Terry Too said, Terry Udy, what what you mean, 2355 02:00:32.880 --> 02:00:34.520 Terry Youdy Doe, what's that mean? 2356 02:00:34.600 --> 02:00:34.800 Brother? 2357 02:00:35.600 --> 02:00:36.319 Terry Justice? 2358 02:00:37.319 --> 02:00:43.600 What picture of the has Bro. Okay, the said Justice 2359 02:00:43.640 --> 02:00:51.399 has Bro. But instead of Suggestice Terry Justice, Terrence Justice, 2360 02:00:51.399 --> 02:00:52.960 we're talking Terrence Mania. 2361 02:00:54.000 --> 02:01:00.399 What I love that. I mean, Terrence, where are we going? Dude? 2362 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:02.079 What's the game plan? 2363 02:01:04.680 --> 02:01:08.079 He starts like just basically reverting to this like game plan, 2364 02:01:08.239 --> 02:01:10.920 game plan, like that's that's that's his emergency button, like 2365 02:01:11.399 --> 02:01:13.680 what he feels under siege, Like what's the plan? What's 2366 02:01:13.720 --> 02:01:16.119 the game plan? Like, I need to see the game plan? 2367 02:01:16.239 --> 02:01:16.439 Brother? 2368 02:01:17.560 --> 02:01:21.159 I mean, I mean, you know, Terry, you wanted to 2369 02:01:21.319 --> 02:01:24.399 You wanted to go and and and make movies. Brother, 2370 02:01:24.479 --> 02:01:26.239 you told me I couldn't. You said how to get 2371 02:01:26.279 --> 02:01:28.680 off the fucking juice? Dude, Terry, you know you have 2372 02:01:28.840 --> 02:01:34.439 your own problems with drugs. You're a drug addict. Jesus Christ, Vince. 2373 02:01:35.279 --> 02:01:36.920 You you're breaking my heart. 2374 02:01:36.960 --> 02:01:44.960 Brother. Brother, I'm a mean dude. We've we've done ship together. Brother. 2375 02:01:46.760 --> 02:01:49.399 That's how I know, Well, that's how I know you're 2376 02:01:49.439 --> 02:01:52.199 an addict because I know what I have done, and 2377 02:01:52.279 --> 02:01:53.880 I know what I'm capable of, and I know that 2378 02:01:53.960 --> 02:01:57.680 I'm it's impossible for me to be an addict. You 2379 02:01:58.680 --> 02:02:02.840 you are a completely addicted you know drug. 2380 02:02:04.279 --> 02:02:09.720 You can I can I not leave unremarked upon what 2381 02:02:09.840 --> 02:02:12.920 we've just sketched out here. If I'm reading this ride 2382 02:02:14.680 --> 02:02:16.359 the guy we just saw work Teddy b Assi in 2383 02:02:16.399 --> 02:02:19.319 his first w F match, Sid Justice is going to 2384 02:02:19.399 --> 02:02:21.800 go on to the point where Hulk exits stage right 2385 02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:24.920 and he takes the center stage as the new Hulk Hogan, 2386 02:02:25.359 --> 02:02:31.199 and his name is going to be Terrence Justice. He 2387 02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:34.119 changes his name from Sid to Terrence when it's time 2388 02:02:34.199 --> 02:02:37.840 to be the top guy, Terrence Justice. 2389 02:02:38.680 --> 02:02:41.000 He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast. 2390 02:02:54.359 --> 02:02:58.800 He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and m 2391 02:02:58.880 --> 02:02:59.760 JP Sorow. 2392 02:03:00.239 --> 02:03:01.760 I mean, you could do Hulk Justice and that makes 2393 02:03:01.800 --> 02:03:02.279 you feel better? 2394 02:03:02.319 --> 02:03:02.399 Bro? 2395 02:03:02.560 --> 02:03:03.760 What you know? 2396 02:03:03.840 --> 02:03:04.159 I don't. 2397 02:03:05.600 --> 02:03:07.880 Can I talk to him? Brother? Can I talk to 2398 02:03:07.920 --> 02:03:11.600 this Hulk Justice? Dude? Uh no, Terry, that's not really ethical? 2399 02:03:13.600 --> 02:03:15.279 What uh vince? 2400 02:03:15.399 --> 02:03:15.520 Uh? 2401 02:03:15.880 --> 02:03:18.159 Sid is on the phone? Shit? 2402 02:03:18.920 --> 02:03:19.039 Uh? 2403 02:03:19.880 --> 02:03:22.239 All right, you know what, Just put him on there, 2404 02:03:22.239 --> 02:03:23.960 put him on speaker. Brother, We're gonna figure this out 2405 02:03:24.039 --> 02:03:24.279 right now. 2406 02:03:24.680 --> 02:03:27.880 You put him on brother. Lets connect this fucking phone call. Dude. 2407 02:03:28.079 --> 02:03:30.720 I want to know what's going on, brother. I mean, 2408 02:03:30.760 --> 02:03:32.279 all right, you know what, if this is the way 2409 02:03:32.319 --> 02:03:33.439 it's going to be, it's the way it's going to 2410 02:03:33.520 --> 02:03:37.159 be all right? Can you can you patch in mister 2411 02:03:37.840 --> 02:03:44.199 mister Hulkgan too, please please Emily, mister McMahon, and also 2412 02:03:46.079 --> 02:03:51.520 take off your brother, Vince, Vince, I just want to 2413 02:03:51.600 --> 02:03:54.239 let you know you're on speakerphone and Terry's here, Hulks 2414 02:03:54.239 --> 02:03:55.560 here as well. Brother. 2415 02:03:55.680 --> 02:03:55.920 What do you? 2416 02:03:56.560 --> 02:03:58.960 Who's this? Dude? Who are you? Dude? You want my spot? 2417 02:03:59.000 --> 02:03:59.199 Brother? 2418 02:03:59.239 --> 02:04:01.359 I talk to my spot. I want to know, dude, 2419 02:04:01.560 --> 02:04:02.359 where's my spot? 2420 02:04:02.439 --> 02:04:02.680 Brother? 2421 02:04:03.239 --> 02:04:06.399 Where did you put my spot? Dude? I had it 2422 02:04:06.520 --> 02:04:08.800 right on me, brother, this whole time, and now you're 2423 02:04:08.800 --> 02:04:11.520 saying I'm getting word that you're taking my spot, but 2424 02:04:11.600 --> 02:04:16.319 you took it, dude? Where are you at? Brother? I 2425 02:04:16.439 --> 02:04:18.399 don't have the authorization to talk to you? 2426 02:04:19.439 --> 02:04:21.720 What what a response? 2427 02:04:23.319 --> 02:04:23.560 I mean? 2428 02:04:23.600 --> 02:04:27.920 You talk about something that's gonna leave Hope just at 2429 02:04:27.960 --> 02:04:28.920 a loss for words. 2430 02:04:29.680 --> 02:04:30.159 What do you what? 2431 02:04:33.520 --> 02:04:35.239 Vince? What was he talking about? Dude? Uh? 2432 02:04:35.760 --> 02:04:36.000 Done? 2433 02:04:37.960 --> 02:04:44.560 Said uh uh? I authorize you to converse with them 2434 02:04:45.439 --> 02:04:57.520 with Terry Beliam huld Cocain number one. Like, oh my god, 2435 02:04:58.039 --> 02:04:58.960 he says. 2436 02:05:00.560 --> 02:05:04.159 Sid, I authorize you to converse with dry book. 2437 02:05:04.800 --> 02:05:07.279 Why is he being so formal? 2438 02:05:07.640 --> 02:05:08.760 What is he reading? 2439 02:05:08.880 --> 02:05:13.520 Like a contract out loud. Basically, what is he doing? Like, 2440 02:05:13.640 --> 02:05:16.680 what does he think what extra protection does he think 2441 02:05:16.720 --> 02:05:27.359 it affords him to say in that moment, Darren Hull 2442 02:05:27.399 --> 02:05:29.359 Coga number one, please meet all Coga number two. 2443 02:05:29.720 --> 02:05:33.680 No, Cogan number one, please meet Hull Coga number two. Converse. 2444 02:05:35.319 --> 02:05:39.960 So I'm authorized. I want to get this straight. So 2445 02:05:40.039 --> 02:05:44.880 I'm gonna tell you something, Hulk Hogan. I told Vince 2446 02:05:45.000 --> 02:05:48.359 McMahon that I wanted your spot. 2447 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:51.640 What what. 2448 02:05:54.720 --> 02:05:56.439 Spot are you talking about? Is gonna hit you in 2449 02:05:56.520 --> 02:05:59.680 the head like a spot. I'm gonna hit you in 2450 02:05:59.720 --> 02:06:03.800 the head like a spot. Brother. We're talking about like allgion? Dude? 2451 02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:06.399 What do you mean by spot? Brother? Have I got 2452 02:06:06.920 --> 02:06:07.680 lesion of doom? 2453 02:06:07.760 --> 02:06:07.960 Brother? 2454 02:06:09.199 --> 02:06:20.960 Allegion done? Shot the moon Dog's dude? Right oh now 2455 02:06:21.119 --> 02:06:21.880 talking about brother? 2456 02:06:23.520 --> 02:06:25.800 Told the moon dogs dude, what are you talking about? Brother? 2457 02:06:25.960 --> 02:06:31.840 He's so exasperated, he's so he's so desperate for like clarity. 2458 02:06:33.399 --> 02:06:41.159 Hull Cogan, I having my contract the whole Cogan spot. 2459 02:06:41.760 --> 02:06:46.079 What Vince just looks down, he looks down at something 2460 02:06:46.119 --> 02:06:51.920 on his desk. I am, yeah, I don't know about bust. 2461 02:06:52.520 --> 02:06:57.119 I don't believe in contractual basis of uh employment. What 2462 02:06:57.239 --> 02:06:59.119 I do believe is in his handshakes. 2463 02:06:59.359 --> 02:07:02.439 I don't believe it is a contractual basis of employment. 2464 02:07:04.159 --> 02:07:07.560 I believe in handshakes. And there is no evidence whatsoever 2465 02:07:07.640 --> 02:07:10.960 that I have signed Sid to any contract that he 2466 02:07:11.079 --> 02:07:16.640 is claiming. I have the papers in my hand. I 2467 02:07:16.760 --> 02:07:21.560 have rod here a contract that says I am fulk holding. 2468 02:07:23.479 --> 02:07:26.720 Did you talk to Marvel first? Brother? Wait a minute, 2469 02:07:26.800 --> 02:07:31.840 what what is he talking about? Brother? 2470 02:07:33.039 --> 02:07:33.680 What was he saying? 2471 02:07:33.800 --> 02:07:35.960 Dude? I can't hear him, brother. 2472 02:07:36.079 --> 02:07:38.760 I have gone on to the trouble of shaving my 2473 02:07:38.960 --> 02:07:41.119 head up to the back of my hairline. 2474 02:07:41.479 --> 02:07:47.119 I have a fu Manchu well, I mean sid Olk two. 2475 02:07:48.439 --> 02:07:50.760 We didn't talk about that. We didn't talk about the 2476 02:07:50.840 --> 02:07:56.479 facial features of them. Of mister Hogan one, hold on, 2477 02:07:56.600 --> 02:07:56.880 hold on. 2478 02:07:58.079 --> 02:08:00.560 So with his months before he comes in, Sid gets 2479 02:08:00.640 --> 02:08:03.239 agreement across the table across the desk from Vince that 2480 02:08:03.279 --> 02:08:05.359 he's got Hogan spot if he just signs, he signs 2481 02:08:06.279 --> 02:08:09.319 and he has a report back date. Okay, because like, 2482 02:08:09.439 --> 02:08:11.840 let's say there's something contractual at WCW where he has 2483 02:08:11.880 --> 02:08:15.319 to wait it out. Four months later, they finally set 2484 02:08:15.319 --> 02:08:18.159 the appointment to sit down and talk about his future. 2485 02:08:18.279 --> 02:08:21.880 What shape it's going to take and sid youuty, picture 2486 02:08:21.920 --> 02:08:26.600 him shows up at Titan Towers with his hair shaved, 2487 02:08:26.680 --> 02:08:29.079 bald up the middle, and just a ring of hair 2488 02:08:29.119 --> 02:08:32.760 around his head just like Hogan and a fou manchee mustache. Cidyuty, 2489 02:08:33.680 --> 02:08:35.079 I thought it was gonna be all coke. 2490 02:08:35.800 --> 02:08:39.600 Oh what's this power? I told you what I told you. 2491 02:08:40.079 --> 02:08:41.880 I wanted the Hull COVID spot. 2492 02:08:43.199 --> 02:08:45.800 Okay, get to work, photoshoppers, you know what to do. 2493 02:08:46.880 --> 02:08:48.640 He shows up with a fu Manchu. 2494 02:08:49.800 --> 02:08:52.399 Just imagined. Also imagine too. It's not like he's got 2495 02:08:52.479 --> 02:08:55.800 Hulk Cogan's hair. He's got the curly hairs. All right, 2496 02:08:55.880 --> 02:08:56.800 you got the curly hair. 2497 02:08:57.000 --> 02:08:57.439 But in that. 2498 02:09:01.680 --> 02:09:04.359 Well, this is not exactly what I had planned when 2499 02:09:04.399 --> 02:09:08.520 I offered you or gave you the Hulkogen spot. Potentially 2500 02:09:08.680 --> 02:09:11.800 if things turned out that way, and you know, everything 2501 02:09:11.960 --> 02:09:15.600 worked out in your favor. But uh, this is certainly 2502 02:09:15.640 --> 02:09:19.720 a development that we will take under consideration, and we 2503 02:09:19.840 --> 02:09:23.119 will h Yeah. When Vince doesn't like the look, he 2504 02:09:23.199 --> 02:09:25.680 says things like this is certainly a development that we 2505 02:09:25.720 --> 02:09:28.199 will take under consideration. That's when you know you fucked up. 2506 02:09:31.760 --> 02:09:34.720 He said, my church a case of Vina sausages. And 2507 02:09:34.840 --> 02:09:36.479 I sent him an autograph picture. 2508 02:09:37.840 --> 02:09:42.039 I want you to do me a favor right now, okay, 2509 02:09:42.960 --> 02:09:49.800 I want you send I want you to send a 2510 02:09:49.960 --> 02:09:58.720 garden a the Ana sausages to all cod sid I listen, pal, 2511 02:09:58.800 --> 02:10:01.560 I do a. I think that's a very generous gesture. 2512 02:10:02.000 --> 02:10:04.319 I don't think you understand how hull Cogan is going 2513 02:10:04.399 --> 02:10:08.720 to take that. I don't dare. I want him to 2514 02:10:08.840 --> 02:10:12.680 know that I have his spot and he has. 2515 02:10:12.800 --> 02:10:15.039 By the way, what he's saying all this, he has 2516 02:10:15.119 --> 02:10:16.960 his head shaved, almost bald, and he's a food man 2517 02:10:17.039 --> 02:10:17.680 chew mustache. 2518 02:10:18.159 --> 02:10:22.159 I can't let that not I see. And you think 2519 02:10:22.239 --> 02:10:24.840 that is going to be accomplished with you with me 2520 02:10:25.119 --> 02:10:33.399 sending hull Cogan a box of Vienna sausages. I do 2521 02:10:34.720 --> 02:10:42.560 be sausages say a lot. I believe they do. I 2522 02:10:42.640 --> 02:10:47.640 believe they do. Well, let's tell you what. Let's not 2523 02:10:47.880 --> 02:10:51.600 waste another moment. Let's uh have you down in the 2524 02:10:51.680 --> 02:10:54.760 studio and we'll take some photographs, some promotional photographs. 2525 02:10:54.880 --> 02:10:55.119 Is with. 2526 02:10:56.680 --> 02:11:00.199 Mister, what do you what do you uh? What do 2527 02:11:00.239 --> 02:11:06.319 you want to call yourself? Hulk Justice? Ulk Justice? There 2528 02:11:06.359 --> 02:11:06.560 it is. 2529 02:11:08.079 --> 02:11:11.279 I look ten years on man, well, I love it 2530 02:11:11.359 --> 02:11:14.119 when Vince feels like he's in the alpha position, and 2531 02:11:14.880 --> 02:11:18.720 it makes people feel like nothing. I equally adore when 2532 02:11:18.800 --> 02:11:22.000 Vince is actually worried that this guy might actually shoot 2533 02:11:22.039 --> 02:11:24.199 this office up and he starts dealing with him with 2534 02:11:24.319 --> 02:11:28.159 that that reticence in his voice. Oh my god, is 2535 02:11:28.239 --> 02:11:30.720 that depth? Is that depth? 2536 02:11:31.319 --> 02:11:31.520 Yeah? 2537 02:11:31.560 --> 02:11:34.119 When? When? When when vincick Man is not the craziest 2538 02:11:34.159 --> 02:11:39.760 person in the room, you know that there is an issue. Yeah, 2539 02:11:40.359 --> 02:11:45.079 let's tell you what, why don't you why don't you, 2540 02:11:45.560 --> 02:11:50.239 uh you take a break for a moment and we'll 2541 02:11:50.319 --> 02:11:53.720 be with you and we'll take some promotional photos with 2542 02:11:56.880 --> 02:12:01.399 Hulk Justice. This is great, This is great stuff. Pal, 2543 02:12:03.000 --> 02:12:10.000 Can we get him uh down in wardrobe or something? Great? Better? Say, 2544 02:12:10.000 --> 02:12:11.119 what the fuck are we going to do with this guy? 2545 02:12:11.439 --> 02:12:11.560 Oh? 2546 02:12:11.720 --> 02:12:11.960 How do you? 2547 02:12:11.960 --> 02:12:15.079 Already wanted some sausages and I wanted to listen. 2548 02:12:15.359 --> 02:12:17.640 No, you can go to Vienna on your own time. 2549 02:12:19.000 --> 02:12:21.920 What we have here is we have a problem. He 2550 02:12:22.039 --> 02:12:27.760 wants to be Hult Justice Hulk Justice. How fucking stupid 2551 02:12:27.800 --> 02:12:29.800 is that? I mean, what do we do with that? 2552 02:12:30.920 --> 02:12:33.520 He's not even taking like maybe if he was Sid Hogan, 2553 02:12:34.439 --> 02:12:36.560 that's something we could work with the old Cogan's brother, 2554 02:12:37.439 --> 02:12:41.720 Hoult Justice makes no fucking sense. Who is this fucking guy? 2555 02:12:43.840 --> 02:12:45.000 I don't know, but you hired him? 2556 02:12:45.039 --> 02:12:48.760 I didn't. I didn't hire him. I don't even talk 2557 02:12:48.800 --> 02:12:49.119 to this guy. 2558 02:12:49.159 --> 02:12:49.479 Who is he? 2559 02:12:49.520 --> 02:12:51.560 He just came into my office, heying, he's Hulk Hogan. 2560 02:12:52.119 --> 02:12:54.720 What appoignant question for you to ask at this point 2561 02:12:54.760 --> 02:12:58.600 of the show, Boss, who is this guy? Well, if 2562 02:12:58.640 --> 02:13:00.319 you pull up in the video link that I just 2563 02:13:00.359 --> 02:13:01.600 sent you, we're gonna get acquainted. 2564 02:13:02.279 --> 02:13:02.720 Oh boy. 2565 02:13:04.479 --> 02:13:06.640 This is a little more of the aforementioned vignettes of 2566 02:13:06.760 --> 02:13:09.640 you know, Sid's coming and different wrestlers on the roster 2567 02:13:09.720 --> 02:13:12.840 speaking to it, and then that transition into him being 2568 02:13:12.840 --> 02:13:15.720 announced as the special Enforcer for the Summer Slam nineteen 2569 02:13:15.800 --> 02:13:17.680 ninety one match. We're HULLL Cogan and the Ultimate Warrior 2570 02:13:17.720 --> 02:13:21.000 team up against Sargent Slaughter, General Adnon and Colonel Mustafa 2571 02:13:21.079 --> 02:13:24.800 and three on two Matchmaide in Hell. Right on the 2572 02:13:24.840 --> 02:13:26.960 other side of the match Made in Heaven the Randy 2573 02:13:27.000 --> 02:13:29.319 Savage Elizabeth wedding, which is the other I guess you 2574 02:13:29.359 --> 02:13:32.119 could say, main event of that landmark show both for 2575 02:13:32.279 --> 02:13:35.840 US and for the WWF at Madison Square Garden and 2576 02:13:35.920 --> 02:13:38.279 so We're going to become acquainted with how Sid goes 2577 02:13:38.359 --> 02:13:41.840 from this man of tremendous mystery and mystique on WWF 2578 02:13:41.920 --> 02:13:46.520 television to the man who will insure justice in this 2579 02:13:46.640 --> 02:13:51.720 heated clash between superheroes hul Coke and the Warrior versus 2580 02:13:51.800 --> 02:13:55.079 the Saddam Hussein sympathizers at SummerSlam. So if you're cute, 2581 02:13:55.119 --> 02:13:58.119 that is it I watched in the beginning. Yeah, we're 2582 02:13:58.119 --> 02:13:59.000 taking this all the way through. 2583 02:14:00.880 --> 02:14:04.199 Hold on, I gotta ad here and then. 2584 02:14:06.119 --> 02:14:10.399 Absolutely so a lot of coloring in here to do 2585 02:14:10.520 --> 02:14:13.159 on Sid's nineteen ninety one ww frun. It's all about 2586 02:14:13.159 --> 02:14:13.520 this run. 2587 02:14:13.600 --> 02:14:14.039 So here we go. 2588 02:14:14.239 --> 02:14:22.319 Three yep, two one. He's so scary, he's got his teeth. 2589 02:14:22.439 --> 02:14:23.239 Yeah, clenched. 2590 02:14:26.680 --> 02:14:30.119 Take you from Winston and me, Sid Justice as the 2591 02:14:30.239 --> 02:14:33.359 size and the strength to become a top dog. 2592 02:14:33.680 --> 02:14:40.159 Right here in the World Wrestling Federation, British bulldog. 2593 02:14:40.479 --> 02:14:43.199 You and that Mangie Mutt Winston, do you think that 2594 02:14:43.359 --> 02:14:47.279 Sid Justice has all the qualifications of being the top. 2595 02:14:47.199 --> 02:14:48.920 Dog in the World Wrestling Federation. 2596 02:14:49.880 --> 02:14:50.840 Well, I'll tell you this. 2597 02:14:51.560 --> 02:14:53.920 I know what road he's taking and it's going to 2598 02:14:54.000 --> 02:14:55.319 be a surprise to you. 2599 02:14:56.560 --> 02:15:00.920 You know, mister Perfect that said Justice is a god. 2600 02:15:01.079 --> 02:15:04.239 Yeah, he's big, he's strong, and he looks straight. 2601 02:15:04.840 --> 02:15:06.520 Kind of reminds me of myself. 2602 02:15:06.840 --> 02:15:14.159 Yeah, hey, Mester Perfect, even though I hate doing a minute, 2603 02:15:14.439 --> 02:15:17.159 you're halfway right, said Justice. 2604 02:15:17.359 --> 02:15:21.000 That's a big, strong and tough man. But he's also 2605 02:15:21.119 --> 02:15:25.560 hat saw Jim Duggett's kind of guy. Oh I don't 2606 02:15:25.600 --> 02:15:37.319 think you said, Oh No, said Justice. 2607 02:15:38.079 --> 02:15:41.720 He's big, he looks tough, he looks like he's done 2608 02:15:41.760 --> 02:15:43.279 the kick it hold on of button. 2609 02:15:45.039 --> 02:15:49.119 That's a matter of fact. He kind of reminds me 2610 02:15:50.600 --> 02:15:51.039 of us. 2611 02:15:54.399 --> 02:16:00.359 Rush said Justice. We've got one opening left the other 2612 02:16:00.399 --> 02:16:01.920 hard organization. 2613 02:16:01.560 --> 02:16:05.399 And you fight even by oh you gotta be Is 2614 02:16:05.520 --> 02:16:07.000 that nasty as a what a? 2615 02:16:08.600 --> 02:16:08.800 Oh? 2616 02:16:09.680 --> 02:16:11.720 Hey folks, Oh, Hack sage and dugging. 2617 02:16:11.920 --> 02:16:15.239 I've been checking out this, said Justice, just like everybody else. 2618 02:16:15.439 --> 02:16:17.399 And there's two things I admire about him. 2619 02:16:17.600 --> 02:16:20.600 He's a tough guy, he's an American, and just like 2620 02:16:20.720 --> 02:16:24.199 Hack sage and Dugging, he stands for the good old USA. 2621 02:16:25.399 --> 02:16:29.479 Behind that's right. Duggan, forking about. 2622 02:16:29.279 --> 02:16:32.680 The USA stuff, said Justice is one of us. 2623 02:16:33.000 --> 02:16:36.760 That he's right, he's big, he's that's right to food. 2624 02:16:36.920 --> 02:16:39.520 He's big and he's made judging. 2625 02:16:45.959 --> 02:16:49.079 Its menacing pos a size and power. 2626 02:16:49.280 --> 02:16:52.319 I said, Justice, he could easily becoming on the one 2627 02:16:52.399 --> 02:16:55.239 of us, but not your disaster, can. 2628 02:16:55.200 --> 02:17:09.120 You that's a disasters version call him? Said Justice, a volcano? 2629 02:17:09.840 --> 02:17:12.040 Got her all wrong, man, because any. 2630 02:17:11.920 --> 02:17:17.200 Kind I used volcano in the natural disasters earthquakes, said 2631 02:17:17.360 --> 02:17:22.479 here's a volcano, but real good, real brother, And what 2632 02:17:22.719 --> 02:17:26.280 the fuck a referee? What the fuck is wearing? 2633 02:17:27.079 --> 02:17:31.120 Doesn't get just hope he isn't buy a to fire 2634 02:17:31.440 --> 02:17:35.760 because he could beat a perspectim what you got under. 2635 02:17:37.920 --> 02:17:40.799 You don't need the likes of hor Rod Roddy Roddy 2636 02:17:40.879 --> 02:17:42.680 Piper and I R S. 2637 02:17:44.600 --> 02:17:47.840 Said Justice, six foot down, three. 2638 02:17:47.760 --> 02:17:49.600 Hundred and seventeen pounds. 2639 02:17:50.479 --> 02:17:51.360 I don't know the guy. 2640 02:17:51.840 --> 02:17:54.959 I don't know if he is I don't know if 2641 02:17:55.000 --> 02:17:57.200 he isn't, but I'm dying. 2642 02:17:57.319 --> 02:18:03.879 That's see, Sid, Justice, You're. 2643 02:18:03.920 --> 02:18:07.200 Just the man I've been looking for. With your size 2644 02:18:07.280 --> 02:18:12.280 and intensity, you're a prime candidate for my cheap tax collector. 2645 02:18:12.920 --> 02:18:15.719 And you know what that means, you tax cheats out 2646 02:18:15.760 --> 02:18:16.799 there wouldn't be able. 2647 02:18:16.680 --> 02:18:21.760 To cheat one more game, lover flab Now the arena 2648 02:18:21.840 --> 02:18:26.600 promos for summer, said man, Man, is. 2649 02:18:28.200 --> 02:18:29.760 That I don't chair. 2650 02:18:31.319 --> 02:18:37.479 Prod you that got Toddy may best still guest referee 2651 02:18:38.360 --> 02:18:40.159 makes don't get friends too off. 2652 02:18:40.760 --> 02:18:42.879 Wait a minute, do I understand you to say it 2653 02:18:42.959 --> 02:18:45.840 does not make any difference who the special guest. 2654 02:18:45.639 --> 02:18:47.000 Referee at that one Slaughter. 2655 02:18:47.200 --> 02:18:48.000 That's what he just said. 2656 02:18:48.159 --> 02:18:52.879 Soever, Well, would you like to meet that special guest. 2657 02:18:52.760 --> 02:19:01.920 Referee file me, I want to meet that special referee 2658 02:19:02.440 --> 02:19:06.120 for supper slam the batch made of hem. 2659 02:19:07.840 --> 02:19:12.719 Here is special guest referee for the handicapped tag suit. 2660 02:19:13.639 --> 02:19:14.000 Justice. 2661 02:19:15.200 --> 02:19:18.920 Wow, that turn of hod come you are turning up? 2662 02:19:19.000 --> 02:19:20.239 Are you ready? 2663 02:19:20.799 --> 02:19:21.479 Task? 2664 02:19:22.120 --> 02:19:24.920 For him to say these shows that he didn't Wait 2665 02:19:24.920 --> 02:19:25.879 a minute, these guys are. 2666 02:19:27.600 --> 02:19:30.959 I guess we don't know shit. Justice stands in this 2667 02:19:31.120 --> 02:19:36.440 whole day presenting arms to suit. 2668 02:19:36.719 --> 02:19:38.479 Justice jump to the. 2669 02:19:38.719 --> 02:19:42.479 Car ship, all right, welcome to the core. He thinks 2670 02:19:42.479 --> 02:19:43.120 he's on his side. 2671 02:19:43.600 --> 02:19:44.959 Yeah, se what sid has to say? 2672 02:19:46.520 --> 02:19:52.319 Well, come just sagainst Slaughters for said justin. 2673 02:19:52.920 --> 02:20:00.719 That the for your door, big pop, that's a that's 2674 02:20:00.760 --> 02:20:02.159 a that's a signal, and I've never heard of one. 2675 02:20:06.399 --> 02:20:10.319 I'm sure we'll get the sizes differ. Sure, this old 2676 02:20:10.559 --> 02:20:17.760 w stubby traveling battery. He went to all three and 2677 02:20:17.799 --> 02:20:35.600 said he's not parts of their cores. A nice short promo. 2678 02:20:35.680 --> 02:20:41.399 He always thrived with those nothing complicated. Yeah yeah, let's yep. 2679 02:20:41.879 --> 02:20:44.639 D On Hogan and Warrior. 2680 02:20:44.319 --> 02:20:48.879 Here with Jim Most said, it's going to face off 2681 02:20:48.920 --> 02:20:51.040 for the other half. There we go Blue. 2682 02:20:51.120 --> 02:20:52.520 No, he is soaking up. 2683 02:20:54.000 --> 02:20:59.840 Listening, going to be favoring something liquid pouring off his chin. 2684 02:21:00.399 --> 02:21:01.959 Put that star power. Look at that? 2685 02:21:02.079 --> 02:21:02.920 Don't they look amazing? 2686 02:21:03.600 --> 02:21:05.920 Guys, Jesus Christ, what a tree. 2687 02:21:07.200 --> 02:21:09.680 So Vince thought he was getting an international incident. 2688 02:21:10.719 --> 02:21:13.159 R book by Justice. 2689 02:21:13.799 --> 02:21:15.559 I recall recently. 2690 02:21:16.000 --> 02:21:18.280 Hear before he shrunked Cottius Good. 2691 02:21:18.159 --> 02:21:22.239 Flutter in company, and they tried to persuade. 2692 02:21:21.799 --> 02:21:22.559 You the studio. 2693 02:21:22.600 --> 02:21:24.520 By the way, in the YouTube account of Louke Gregory 2694 02:21:24.559 --> 02:21:25.360 shout out to him for. 2695 02:21:25.399 --> 02:21:30.559 This compilation of destruction general, it's entitled said Justice and 2696 02:21:31.399 --> 02:21:36.399 Sorry Flutter tv W definition view. The conclusion of that interview, 2697 02:21:37.239 --> 02:21:42.079 you emphatically line that you would have any association with 2698 02:21:42.319 --> 02:21:45.079 Sage and Slaughters for of destruction. 2699 02:21:46.120 --> 02:21:51.000 However, back to the hardcare, Yep, this may not be 2700 02:21:51.120 --> 02:21:51.799 a handicap. 2701 02:21:53.280 --> 02:21:56.799 He didn't even blocking gene like. 2702 02:22:00.280 --> 02:22:02.959 Man, this little man's a big one for him. 2703 02:22:03.520 --> 02:22:10.239 Yes, that might be more so, Man, do I might believe. 2704 02:22:12.639 --> 02:22:15.360 Brother, Yeah, I'm not not. 2705 02:22:19.639 --> 02:22:26.440 Savage al those at the same level he said justice. 2706 02:22:26.879 --> 02:22:28.319 More your face, talking about. 2707 02:22:28.120 --> 02:22:31.520 Intense everybody, give me a shirt of one. 2708 02:22:32.040 --> 02:22:33.760 Spitting water flying off his head. 2709 02:22:35.440 --> 02:22:38.520 I would be there for one reason that one't reason. 2710 02:22:38.639 --> 02:22:43.200 Only just see said justice and sire. 2711 02:22:46.440 --> 02:22:50.280 Will be served, but just time will justice be served? 2712 02:22:50.959 --> 02:22:53.440 WHOA, I don't know little lou either. 2713 02:22:55.000 --> 02:22:58.079 I don't even know what I'm looking at. So Little 2714 02:22:58.159 --> 02:23:01.840 JP watching that would have been sufficiently Yes, I would 2715 02:23:01.879 --> 02:23:03.799 have been I would have been nervous. I would have 2716 02:23:03.840 --> 02:23:04.559 been nervous. 2717 02:23:04.440 --> 02:23:05.840 About what side he was going to come down on. 2718 02:23:06.159 --> 02:23:09.879 Yes, because he didn't say he was al Kamaniac, But 2719 02:23:09.920 --> 02:23:14.639 he also didn't say he was Sergeant Slaughter's uh, you 2720 02:23:14.719 --> 02:23:16.680 know private there and. 2721 02:23:16.719 --> 02:23:18.319 If you watch it when he's a dressing hogan there 2722 02:23:18.360 --> 02:23:19.760 in that moment, he's right up in his face. 2723 02:23:20.120 --> 02:23:22.799 Yeah yeah, but both I and Warrior, he's like, you know, 2724 02:23:23.600 --> 02:23:24.719 getting right in their face. 2725 02:23:25.440 --> 02:23:27.879 So that is the build to SummerSlam and how SID 2726 02:23:28.000 --> 02:23:29.639 was framed. Of course, we know it went down August 2727 02:23:29.639 --> 02:23:32.159 twenty sixth, nineteen ninety one, and it's the night where 2728 02:23:32.239 --> 02:23:34.559 Vince Fire's Warrior the second he runs through the curtain 2729 02:23:35.079 --> 02:23:37.719 for trying to invince his terms hold him up for 2730 02:23:37.799 --> 02:23:40.079 more money at the last minute. It had been a 2731 02:23:40.399 --> 02:23:43.879 tumultuous nineteen ninety one for Warrior and the ww front office. 2732 02:23:43.920 --> 02:23:46.079 We know this because years later he would sue the 2733 02:23:46.120 --> 02:23:49.120 company and all kinds of memos back and forth between 2734 02:23:49.159 --> 02:23:52.719 the two became public record, and so that was kind 2735 02:23:52.719 --> 02:23:55.200 of why we chose remember of Summer Slam ninety one. 2736 02:23:55.360 --> 02:23:55.559 Yeah. 2737 02:23:55.760 --> 02:23:57.399 Yeah, there was a bunch of stuff that we could 2738 02:23:57.440 --> 02:23:59.600 say about, like what the payouts were on the show 2739 02:23:59.639 --> 02:24:01.399 and all the stuff that had come out from that lawsuit. 2740 02:24:02.000 --> 02:24:04.520 That it was kind of a struck us as something 2741 02:24:04.559 --> 02:24:06.239 we could, you know, say more about than just the 2742 02:24:06.280 --> 02:24:08.840 results of the show before we realized the level of 2743 02:24:08.920 --> 02:24:11.639 expectation and appetite out there for the deep dive research. 2744 02:24:12.440 --> 02:24:15.719 So that's the Warrior side of the story, and it's 2745 02:24:15.719 --> 02:24:18.479 an important side of the story because it's Warrior's departure 2746 02:24:18.959 --> 02:24:22.440 that leads to a to hear SID put it kind 2747 02:24:22.479 --> 02:24:26.239 of an acceleration of the plans to get SID on 2748 02:24:26.360 --> 02:24:28.840 the road because with Warrior gone, all of a sudden, 2749 02:24:29.120 --> 02:24:30.840 there's a smoke and hole in the house. Show circuit 2750 02:24:30.879 --> 02:24:33.680 isn't there, Yeah, for sure. So for a guy who 2751 02:24:33.760 --> 02:24:36.040 was brought in under the auspices of working only TVs 2752 02:24:36.079 --> 02:24:37.719 and pay per views until he became the man. And 2753 02:24:38.319 --> 02:24:40.399 at WrestleMania, we get on the road, all of a sudden, 2754 02:24:41.120 --> 02:24:44.520 this blow up with Warrior happens and bulp, Pal, you know, 2755 02:24:44.760 --> 02:24:46.120 plans change, you know. 2756 02:24:46.159 --> 02:24:47.879 What, you know, we're just kind of in a unique 2757 02:24:47.920 --> 02:24:51.440 situation and we need you know, we need things done 2758 02:24:51.559 --> 02:24:56.399 away that will allow us to to further are the 2759 02:24:56.520 --> 02:24:58.120 entertainment factor of our programming. 2760 02:24:58.879 --> 02:24:59.959 Okay, whatever that means. 2761 02:25:00.760 --> 02:25:05.600 What are you talking about? Well, I mean, sid, I 2762 02:25:05.639 --> 02:25:10.520 don't mean to you know, you gotta you gotta go 2763 02:25:10.600 --> 02:25:14.239 on the road, Pal, just no other way to to 2764 02:25:14.319 --> 02:25:15.520 say it. You gotta go on the road. 2765 02:25:16.399 --> 02:25:19.920 What Asia, that's Vinces, That's Vince's way. 2766 02:25:20.000 --> 02:25:20.159 Man. 2767 02:25:20.239 --> 02:25:23.239 He's like he gets you on the hook and all 2768 02:25:23.280 --> 02:25:26.719 of a sudden, unforeseen circumstances and he's going back on 2769 02:25:27.440 --> 02:25:30.319 your original conception of how this is going to work. Yeah, 2770 02:25:30.639 --> 02:25:32.399 and it's like he needs you know, he needs It's 2771 02:25:32.399 --> 02:25:35.000 not all he needs a favor. It's almost like like 2772 02:25:35.120 --> 02:25:37.280 you should know that that's how it works here, and 2773 02:25:37.479 --> 02:25:40.159 if you don't, you're being unprofessional. Right, because we're the 2774 02:25:40.559 --> 02:25:43.040 We're the premier organization for a reason, and that's one 2775 02:25:43.079 --> 02:25:45.520 thing Sid is. He talks about it a lot, and 2776 02:25:45.520 --> 02:25:47.920 his shoot interview is blown away by how full these 2777 02:25:47.959 --> 02:25:49.840 buildings are relative to what he was used to in 2778 02:25:49.959 --> 02:25:51.799 Jim Hurd's w c W, which makes all the sense 2779 02:25:51.799 --> 02:25:53.959 in the world, let alone before he walks out at 2780 02:25:53.959 --> 02:25:56.639 the Hoosier Dome, a packed stadium scale show the likes 2781 02:25:56.639 --> 02:25:59.799 of which he'd never seen before, and so he's he's 2782 02:26:00.239 --> 02:26:02.719 taken with WWF as an organization in terms of how 2783 02:26:02.840 --> 02:26:05.760 professionalized they are. When he goes back to WCW after 2784 02:26:05.840 --> 02:26:07.639 this run, one of the things that he does, which 2785 02:26:07.639 --> 02:26:09.120 I think he starts to kind of piss people off, 2786 02:26:10.079 --> 02:26:12.239 and we'll hear it in the Squeegee story coming up 2787 02:26:12.239 --> 02:26:17.040 real soon. He's constantly singing the praises of how professionalized 2788 02:26:17.159 --> 02:26:19.200 WWF is. He's seeing a different side of how to 2789 02:26:19.600 --> 02:26:21.440 run a wrestling company than what he came up in 2790 02:26:21.840 --> 02:26:24.280 in WCW, and there's a lot of things that he 2791 02:26:24.360 --> 02:26:29.159 thinks really need to be imported and instilled in WCWWWF 2792 02:26:29.319 --> 02:26:33.200 was doing. So it's not like he's entirely disillusioned by 2793 02:26:33.239 --> 02:26:36.040 the situation. But Sid is definitely starting to feel like 2794 02:26:36.200 --> 02:26:39.040 promisers are being gone back on after just about a 2795 02:26:39.159 --> 02:26:42.959 month on television in the company because now Warrior is 2796 02:26:43.040 --> 02:26:46.959 gone and we need to accelerate the Sid Justice as 2797 02:26:47.879 --> 02:26:52.719 number two babyface and when Hogan departs number one babyface position. 2798 02:26:53.079 --> 02:26:54.719 Take a look at this. This appeared in the pages 2799 02:26:54.760 --> 02:26:57.840 of a Pro Wrestling Illustrated Boss and we'll explain it 2800 02:26:57.879 --> 02:27:00.200 to the people for their benefit. But doesn't this say 2801 02:27:00.239 --> 02:27:00.479 it all? 2802 02:27:01.399 --> 02:27:01.520 Uh? 2803 02:27:02.120 --> 02:27:05.799 We get it here? Whoa Sid Justice? There? 2804 02:27:05.840 --> 02:27:08.440 It is the second coming of Hult Cogan double truck 2805 02:27:08.479 --> 02:27:09.520 feature in p W I. 2806 02:27:09.760 --> 02:27:11.159 What's going on here? 2807 02:27:11.440 --> 02:27:13.079 And that is deeply concerning. 2808 02:27:13.239 --> 02:27:17.799 I'm looking, I'm looking at fucking uh after dude, then 2809 02:27:17.799 --> 02:27:22.040 the second old Hogan. Wait in the second hold? What 2810 02:27:22.719 --> 02:27:22.959 I mean? 2811 02:27:23.040 --> 02:27:23.840 That is the headline? 2812 02:27:24.239 --> 02:27:25.079 That is the headline. 2813 02:27:25.840 --> 02:27:28.879 In classic p WI fashion, they're showing pictures from w 2814 02:27:29.079 --> 02:27:32.120 CW YEP because they always went out of their way 2815 02:27:32.159 --> 02:27:34.639 to remind you that, like they were following wrestlers before 2816 02:27:34.719 --> 02:27:37.639 Vince made them national stars and changed their nights right, 2817 02:27:37.920 --> 02:27:40.200 like they would call mister perfect card heading even after 2818 02:27:40.280 --> 02:27:43.959 he came to WWF every single time on every reference 2819 02:27:44.000 --> 02:27:48.280 in the magazine, and so yeah, this is like happening 2820 02:27:48.280 --> 02:27:50.840 a lot sooner, I think than they had drawn up 2821 02:27:51.040 --> 02:27:53.319 in terms of when he's first sitting down with Sid. 2822 02:27:53.399 --> 02:27:55.680 Vince McMahon, I don't think he's planning on Warrior being 2823 02:27:55.760 --> 02:27:57.879 gone by the end of the summer and all the 2824 02:27:57.959 --> 02:28:01.319 ramifications that has for the card. So here's Sid in 2825 02:28:01.360 --> 02:28:05.200 a shoot interview talking with Sean Mooney actually about what 2826 02:28:05.319 --> 02:28:07.120 happens at the end of Summer Slam. What happens, boss 2827 02:28:07.319 --> 02:28:11.600 is after Hogan and Warrior vanquish Sergeant's Laughter and company. 2828 02:28:11.639 --> 02:28:14.799 We know, Warrior disappears chasing Adnon with a steel chair 2829 02:28:14.879 --> 02:28:17.520 through the curtain. We never see him again at least 2830 02:28:17.600 --> 02:28:22.000 yes run and he's hardly ever mentioned. But in the 2831 02:28:22.079 --> 02:28:25.840 ring afterwards, after helping, you know, instill truth justice in 2832 02:28:25.840 --> 02:28:28.159 the American way, what a Sid and Hulk do They 2833 02:28:28.360 --> 02:28:31.000 pose down in the middle of the ring together, and 2834 02:28:31.079 --> 02:28:33.680 that's supposed to be really substantial. That's supposed to apparently 2835 02:28:33.719 --> 02:28:35.559 get us to think of Sid as somebody that is 2836 02:28:35.639 --> 02:28:37.879 tantamount to Hulk Cogan. And here he is talking to 2837 02:28:37.959 --> 02:28:41.239 Sean Mooney about his conception of what happened that night 2838 02:28:41.360 --> 02:28:41.920 in MSG. 2839 02:28:42.639 --> 02:28:44.040 He said this is what we're going to do with you. 2840 02:28:44.639 --> 02:28:46.600 We're going to just You're just going to do TVs 2841 02:28:46.680 --> 02:28:50.079 and pay per views for one year, no house shows, 2842 02:28:50.639 --> 02:28:53.200 and after WrestleMania you going to start your first house show. 2843 02:28:53.239 --> 02:28:56.000 He said, We've never done this with anyone. So I'm thinking, well, 2844 02:28:56.040 --> 02:28:57.440 how on the fuck am I going to get paid 2845 02:28:57.479 --> 02:29:00.719 for one year? If you don't give me money, He said, well, 2846 02:29:00.760 --> 02:29:03.959 we're going to take care of you. I said, oh shit, 2847 02:29:04.280 --> 02:29:07.159 you know, so that was, you know, a big chance 2848 02:29:07.239 --> 02:29:07.559 I took. 2849 02:29:08.120 --> 02:29:09.040 But what happened. 2850 02:29:09.360 --> 02:29:13.000 What happened was the Ultimate Warriors started demanding more money 2851 02:29:13.520 --> 02:29:16.040 and then they fired him at SummerSlam, and it was 2852 02:29:16.079 --> 02:29:19.200 set up right since he walked to the curtains they 2853 02:29:19.319 --> 02:29:22.959 fired him, and then this is their idea of this 2854 02:29:23.200 --> 02:29:26.760 was their version of Hogan passing the torch. He did 2855 02:29:26.799 --> 02:29:29.799 the pose down with me, which is the stupidest fucking 2856 02:29:29.920 --> 02:29:32.719 thing I've ever heard of my fucking life. That that 2857 02:29:32.959 --> 02:29:35.879 was the big goddamn deal. And if you think that's 2858 02:29:35.920 --> 02:29:38.120 a big deal, you're as stupid as the rest of them. 2859 02:29:38.600 --> 02:29:41.479 So anyway, that's how it happened. So I was pierced 2860 02:29:41.520 --> 02:29:43.840 from that moment on and I didn't want to be 2861 02:29:43.920 --> 02:29:44.520 there anymore. 2862 02:29:45.120 --> 02:30:02.959 He's a last fan wrestling podcast. He's fan wrestling podcast 2863 02:30:03.440 --> 02:30:04.040 with Jack and. 2864 02:30:06.760 --> 02:30:09.280 Wow, that's what they doing. Warrior comes out of Wrestling 2865 02:30:09.280 --> 02:30:11.239 eighty too. He poses down with Hogan at the end 2866 02:30:11.239 --> 02:30:11.600 of the show. 2867 02:30:11.680 --> 02:30:14.159 Yeah, that's that's the thing that that shows you're you're 2868 02:30:14.479 --> 02:30:17.079 an ally of hul Cogan. That events really means something. 2869 02:30:17.159 --> 02:30:18.399 He thinks that people are going to see you as 2870 02:30:18.399 --> 02:30:21.079 a main inventor after you pose of course that's the rub. 2871 02:30:21.360 --> 02:30:24.200 But the way Sid does it, he's so awkward that 2872 02:30:24.319 --> 02:30:27.040 it almost is like a comedy idiot. Oh, it's almost 2873 02:30:27.040 --> 02:30:28.440 like a comedy routine. At the end of Summer Slam, 2874 02:30:28.440 --> 02:30:31.040 it's almost like Hogan has a whole back laughter while 2875 02:30:31.079 --> 02:30:35.040 Sid makes a mockery this pose down and his refererational thinking. Dude, 2876 02:30:35.120 --> 02:30:38.120 here's your don't thinking, brother, what if dude? What if? 2877 02:30:38.520 --> 02:30:38.559 So? 2878 02:30:38.840 --> 02:30:41.360 I think we're gonna do this pose down? I'm not 2879 02:30:41.479 --> 02:30:47.360 a fit of that. I'm not obligated to pose down, brother, Dude. Listen, 2880 02:30:47.680 --> 02:30:50.479 Sady's some dude. I dig that. Brother. I'm all about, 2881 02:30:51.200 --> 02:30:53.479 you know. If I don't do creative, dude, I'm all about, 2882 02:30:54.000 --> 02:30:57.559 you know, taking things that next level. Brother. I get it, dude, 2883 02:30:57.920 --> 02:31:01.159 and I want to take Sid Justice's that level. So 2884 02:31:01.280 --> 02:31:05.719 what I'm thinking, dude is, you know what if brother, 2885 02:31:06.360 --> 02:31:09.399 we kind of portrayed this kind of maybe a mentor 2886 02:31:09.600 --> 02:31:14.440 mentee kind of thing. Dude, what do you mean, well, 2887 02:31:14.440 --> 02:31:16.520 I want to give you the rub. Brother, you know, 2888 02:31:16.520 --> 02:31:18.959 if you're gonna be the next hult Cogan, I want 2889 02:31:19.000 --> 02:31:27.319 to give you the rub. M What does that look like? 2890 02:31:28.239 --> 02:31:29.879 What does the rub look like to you? 2891 02:31:31.000 --> 02:31:31.120 Well? 2892 02:31:31.159 --> 02:31:32.920 Do what I'm thinking to what if we come down? 2893 02:31:33.280 --> 02:31:35.840 What if I have you come down dude? After the 2894 02:31:35.879 --> 02:31:38.120 match made in hell? Brother, and you when I do 2895 02:31:38.200 --> 02:31:40.600 a pose down kind of like showing hey, you know 2896 02:31:40.680 --> 02:31:42.399 what we got here we go, we got we got 2897 02:31:42.520 --> 02:31:45.159 hull Cogan, we got the new hul Cogan. You know, brother, 2898 02:31:45.200 --> 02:31:49.440 see the album? Thinking that dude. Mm hmm, I see 2899 02:31:49.440 --> 02:31:53.799 where you're going. I understand that that is not beyond 2900 02:31:53.840 --> 02:32:01.680 my intelligence. Dude, I'm I dig that, brother. So but 2901 02:32:01.920 --> 02:32:04.520 but but kind of like we want to kind of 2902 02:32:04.559 --> 02:32:07.440 talk long game, right, you know, we're not talking about hey, 2903 02:32:07.840 --> 02:32:10.000 you know, you know just the payoffs, dude. Is not 2904 02:32:10.120 --> 02:32:12.360 like at the very beginning, we gotta have the payoff 2905 02:32:12.479 --> 02:32:15.239 be as we go down the line. So what I'm 2906 02:32:15.239 --> 02:32:19.239 thinking about, dude, is what if you know, like you know, 2907 02:32:19.799 --> 02:32:22.680 I'm in there alone, I'm posing down brother, and I'm like, 2908 02:32:22.719 --> 02:32:24.879 you know what, we need to have Sid just in 2909 02:32:25.040 --> 02:32:29.000 this ring right now, Dude. We need Sid here right now, brother. 2910 02:32:30.000 --> 02:32:32.479 And so I kind of call you in. I say, Sid, 2911 02:32:32.600 --> 02:32:35.879 come on, dude, let's go brother, come on down, And 2912 02:32:35.959 --> 02:32:39.120 I think what you should do because again I think, like, 2913 02:32:39.840 --> 02:32:42.159 you know, we're talking to having this kind of mentor 2914 02:32:42.280 --> 02:32:45.200 mentee relationship. Dude, you kind of just peek your head 2915 02:32:45.200 --> 02:32:46.719 out brother, and I'm like, wait a minute. 2916 02:32:46.520 --> 02:32:48.719 What what do you Oh, that's right, he peeks his 2917 02:32:48.760 --> 02:32:50.799 head to the curtain. I forget about that, which makes 2918 02:32:50.840 --> 02:32:51.440 it all comedy. 2919 02:32:52.000 --> 02:32:53.879 Yeah, it's like kind of like peek out there, dude, 2920 02:32:53.879 --> 02:32:56.440 and like, say, did I hear my name? Cause I 2921 02:32:56.479 --> 02:32:59.639 think that people will kind of yeah, Sid, Sid, Dude, 2922 02:32:59.680 --> 02:33:01.280 come on out with Hull Coagan. You know you guys 2923 02:33:01.319 --> 02:33:04.559 are best friends now, brother, and so you come out, dude, 2924 02:33:04.920 --> 02:33:07.520 and then we start posing. But you know what, I think, 2925 02:33:07.799 --> 02:33:10.760 kind of differentiate dude and kind of show that that 2926 02:33:11.040 --> 02:33:14.120 that you need just a little bit more to kind 2927 02:33:14.159 --> 02:33:16.680 of get to that next level. Working with Hul Cogan 2928 02:33:16.799 --> 02:33:20.159 is that you don't pose perfect dude, right what if 2929 02:33:20.200 --> 02:33:21.479 you kind of look like, you know, like you're a 2930 02:33:21.520 --> 02:33:22.239 little off, a. 2931 02:33:22.239 --> 02:33:25.760 Little awkward about it, dude, like you're getting your sea 2932 02:33:25.840 --> 02:33:29.120 legs from under you like your abyss and TNA taking 2933 02:33:29.200 --> 02:33:29.879 my ring? 2934 02:33:31.760 --> 02:33:34.440 Are you calling me awkward? No, dude, Brother, do not. 2935 02:33:34.440 --> 02:33:36.959 I'm not calling you awkward. Dude. What I'm saying is, dude, 2936 02:33:37.159 --> 02:33:40.079 why don't you maybe you can act awkward? Because I 2937 02:33:40.120 --> 02:33:42.200 get it, Dude, You're like, you're a pro and you 2938 02:33:42.319 --> 02:33:45.959 gotta you got a physique, dude that goes fucking miles. Brother, 2939 02:33:46.920 --> 02:33:49.360 you know we're talking. You know, dude, you got the look, dude. 2940 02:33:49.879 --> 02:33:52.239 But what I'm saying is, why don't you act like 2941 02:33:52.440 --> 02:33:56.239 you know what you know? Or even better? Brother, play 2942 02:33:56.520 --> 02:33:58.479 with this dude. What if you're like, you know what 2943 02:34:00.000 --> 02:34:02.280 this Hule Cogan guy, I'm gonna say, Brother, you know 2944 02:34:02.479 --> 02:34:04.360 I'm with him in the ring. Dude, he's kind of 2945 02:34:04.399 --> 02:34:07.360 getting old right now, dude, you know where you know 2946 02:34:07.479 --> 02:34:09.479 he's like, you know, I don't want to take away 2947 02:34:09.520 --> 02:34:12.719 his thunder. You know, like you're you're doing me a 2948 02:34:12.799 --> 02:34:17.399 favor brother by not out showing me. See do you 2949 02:34:17.440 --> 02:34:19.719 see I'm getting there, dude. So like I'm trying to 2950 02:34:19.840 --> 02:34:21.680 just pose down with the fans, and you're like, you 2951 02:34:21.719 --> 02:34:24.239 know what, I can outpose Hulk Hogan any day of 2952 02:34:24.239 --> 02:34:26.879 the week and twice on Sunday, but I'm not gonna 2953 02:34:26.920 --> 02:34:28.879 do that here because I want Hulk Hogan. You know, 2954 02:34:28.920 --> 02:34:31.040 I don't want to embarrass him, brother, and show him 2955 02:34:31.079 --> 02:34:32.959 what a you know, what a weak dute is, because 2956 02:34:32.959 --> 02:34:34.360 you don't even know how to fucking pose. You know 2957 02:34:34.399 --> 02:34:36.000 what I'm saying, brother, Brother, I want you to go 2958 02:34:36.040 --> 02:34:37.399 to the top, dude. But if you if if the 2959 02:34:37.440 --> 02:34:39.479 fans get the message that you're trying to show me up, brother, 2960 02:34:39.600 --> 02:34:41.879 they're never gonna support you, dude. And I just you 2961 02:34:41.959 --> 02:34:44.520 need to be a babyface. Brother. We gotta kind of 2962 02:34:44.600 --> 02:34:49.000 push that angle as far as we can. So you 2963 02:34:49.159 --> 02:34:51.760 want to help me. Just all want to do, dude, 2964 02:34:52.600 --> 02:34:54.120 all want to do is help you. And I think 2965 02:34:54.680 --> 02:34:56.639 that if you kind of come out there and and 2966 02:34:56.879 --> 02:34:58.520 just kind of like say, hey, you know what, this 2967 02:34:59.280 --> 02:35:01.879 this guy, you know, Grandpa Hogan out here, brother, you know, 2968 02:35:02.000 --> 02:35:03.920 he's just you know, I don't want to make him 2969 02:35:03.959 --> 02:35:06.000 look bad. So I'm just gonna kind of do things 2970 02:35:06.079 --> 02:35:08.520 my way. A little bit. I think that's gonna go 2971 02:35:08.600 --> 02:35:11.319 a long way with the fans, dude, and showing that, 2972 02:35:11.479 --> 02:35:15.159 you know what, respect whole Camania, Dude, Sid respects Hull 2973 02:35:15.159 --> 02:35:19.639 Camania and maybe brother, maybe down the line, we're talking 2974 02:35:19.799 --> 02:35:25.680 sid Mania. Whoa you know dude, sid Mania? Yeah, dude, 2975 02:35:25.760 --> 02:35:31.440 sid Mania like on T shirts. Dude, brother, you know 2976 02:35:31.520 --> 02:35:32.000 what dude? 2977 02:35:32.719 --> 02:35:33.040 You know what. 2978 02:35:35.120 --> 02:35:39.079 The future, dude is is unwritten? Brother, who knows? Dude? Right? 2979 02:35:41.360 --> 02:35:44.319 Do you want me to go out there and look 2980 02:35:44.440 --> 02:35:48.639 like a fool so that I can have sid Mania 2981 02:35:48.760 --> 02:35:53.200 down the line. That's what I'm saying. Dude, you kind 2982 02:35:53.239 --> 02:35:55.639 of look like a little, you know, a little less 2983 02:35:55.719 --> 02:35:58.760 than here and then sid Many is in your future, Dude. 2984 02:36:03.319 --> 02:36:04.639 I feel obligated to do that. 2985 02:36:07.159 --> 02:36:11.319 Brother, say less, dude. And so they go to the 2986 02:36:11.399 --> 02:36:14.719 ring and it shall be done, and comically, Sid pokes 2987 02:36:14.760 --> 02:36:17.520 his head through the curtain, takes center stage with the Hulkster, 2988 02:36:18.239 --> 02:36:21.319 poses like a moron, and somehow that makes him the 2989 02:36:21.360 --> 02:36:24.239 next top babyface. Of course, Sid sees it for what 2990 02:36:24.319 --> 02:36:26.079 it is, especially in retrospect, as you just heard in 2991 02:36:26.159 --> 02:36:29.239 that clip, but they're laying it on thick even after SummerSlam. 2992 02:36:30.760 --> 02:36:34.079 This clip is from an episode of Superstars, where Vince 2993 02:36:34.159 --> 02:36:38.639 McMahon himself spares no hyperbole and framing Sid as the 2994 02:36:38.680 --> 02:36:39.799 guy you're supposed to care about. 2995 02:36:39.879 --> 02:36:43.920 Now listen to this, ah the I have never seen 2996 02:36:45.079 --> 02:36:47.440 Sid Justice wrestle before. 2997 02:36:47.600 --> 02:36:49.479 Do you know that I've never had the pleasure to 2998 02:36:49.520 --> 02:36:49.719 be in. 2999 02:36:49.760 --> 02:36:50.479 The same arena? 3000 02:36:50.600 --> 02:36:58.360 What Vince, it's got the music now? 3001 02:36:58.719 --> 02:37:06.920 Yes, even did sucker? 3002 02:37:12.399 --> 02:37:13.520 Where did you see it? Looking? 3003 02:37:13.719 --> 02:37:15.719 Is that's something about a power bomb? 3004 02:37:15.799 --> 02:37:21.840 We're gonna ask into the ring air set up for next. 3005 02:37:21.719 --> 02:37:33.440 Job or Vince calls out the ovations. 3006 02:37:35.479 --> 02:37:40.239 Talk about an overnight success, all about how overnight it is. 3007 02:37:41.959 --> 02:37:46.319 This man's gonna be caring about her. Go if the 3008 02:37:46.440 --> 02:37:49.600 march O man he was unable to return to urging. 3009 02:37:49.399 --> 02:37:51.000 As we have been notified he is. 3010 02:37:51.840 --> 02:37:52.639 This is the man. 3011 02:37:53.239 --> 02:37:57.520 Hopefully we will see that justice will be served as 3012 02:37:57.559 --> 02:37:58.520 it relates to Jack. 3013 02:37:58.600 --> 02:38:00.360 Just think Roberts and the younger two can. 3014 02:38:00.559 --> 02:38:01.639 Right about this? 3015 02:38:01.719 --> 02:38:01.959 Check? 3016 02:38:02.719 --> 02:38:04.280 Is this the power bulls? 3017 02:38:04.319 --> 02:38:05.120 A power. 3018 02:38:09.040 --> 02:38:09.159 Right? 3019 02:38:09.239 --> 02:38:10.040 You didn't fall with it? 3020 02:38:10.680 --> 02:38:10.879 Yes? 3021 02:38:11.120 --> 02:38:13.600 Really, you're gonna count it to ten? 3022 02:38:14.600 --> 02:38:16.280 Everybody fell, all they lives. 3023 02:38:16.399 --> 02:38:17.479 I'm only going to get to. 3024 02:38:18.000 --> 02:38:25.000 A version like emphasizing the ovation. Yeah, trust that he's part. 3025 02:38:39.239 --> 02:38:42.600 I got you play look at this here, hurry and 3026 02:38:42.760 --> 02:38:44.639 my dog and Wanda had clean up. 3027 02:38:44.639 --> 02:38:46.600 Talking about two hundred I thoty. 3028 02:38:46.399 --> 02:38:48.399 Five has the power pot. 3029 02:38:51.479 --> 02:38:52.000 Turn us? 3030 02:38:52.879 --> 02:38:56.840 So rust us what carri us I mean. 3031 02:38:58.280 --> 02:39:00.719 Saying like that if Macha Van isn't here, he's the man. 3032 02:39:00.799 --> 02:39:02.040 He's clearing the banner here. 3033 02:39:02.840 --> 02:39:03.079 Yep. 3034 02:39:03.479 --> 02:39:05.760 Because the thing, presumably they moved up quite a bit too, 3035 02:39:06.040 --> 02:39:09.079 was Sid getting involved in the the wedding stuff afterwards, 3036 02:39:09.319 --> 02:39:11.319 realizing that you know, Warrior wasn't going to be there, 3037 02:39:11.920 --> 02:39:13.879 they had to transition. Said, I mean maybe he would 3038 02:39:13.879 --> 02:39:16.399 have got involved in the wedding angle either way, even 3039 02:39:16.440 --> 02:39:19.920 if Warrior didn't disappear. Yeah, and the Jake program wouldn't 3040 02:39:19.959 --> 02:39:21.639 have happened. But the way they're talking about him now, 3041 02:39:21.680 --> 02:39:24.520 it's like he's he's a filling for Savage and uh 3042 02:39:25.840 --> 02:39:27.639 and it's all upside from here for one Sid and 3043 02:39:27.760 --> 02:39:33.079 he's coming to the ultimate rescue. So Sid and Jake 3044 02:39:33.079 --> 02:39:34.760 start working each other, and the house shows. The house 3045 02:39:34.760 --> 02:39:37.440 shows that you know, Vince said Sid wouldn't work in 3046 02:39:37.479 --> 02:39:41.680 his first year in the company. Yes, And on an 3047 02:39:41.680 --> 02:39:45.479 episode of the DDP Snake Pit podcast that Jake Roberts 3048 02:39:45.520 --> 02:39:48.479 has done, he once talked about in an anonymized way 3049 02:39:48.600 --> 02:39:52.040 an opponent he faced that I think just just absolutely 3050 02:39:52.079 --> 02:39:55.239 has to be Sid. There's no ways talking about anybody else. 3051 02:39:55.280 --> 02:39:58.000 And this gives us a little glimpse into how Sid 3052 02:39:58.120 --> 02:40:00.680 ran into his first sort of a political frick in 3053 02:40:00.760 --> 02:40:02.879 the World Wrestling Federation visa VI the Snake Man. If 3054 02:40:02.920 --> 02:40:05.399 you can read this quote here from the podcast that 3055 02:40:05.479 --> 02:40:06.280 Jake did about. 3056 02:40:06.120 --> 02:40:11.719 It, mmmm, this is unintentionally. I I had an incident 3057 02:40:11.760 --> 02:40:14.520 where a guy was giving me a clothesline every night 3058 02:40:14.559 --> 02:40:16.319 and it was freaking ripping my head off. 3059 02:40:16.399 --> 02:40:18.760 He saw those clothes lines there against tibias, they do 3060 02:40:18.920 --> 02:40:20.280 fly loose, yep. 3061 02:40:20.760 --> 02:40:23.559 And I was recovering from having next surgery. And in wrestling, 3062 02:40:23.879 --> 02:40:25.799 you can make it look like you tore the guy's 3063 02:40:25.840 --> 02:40:27.959 head off, or you can tear the guy's head off, 3064 02:40:28.520 --> 02:40:31.040 and of course making it look like it is much 3065 02:40:31.159 --> 02:40:34.360 better because then the guy can sell it properly. When 3066 02:40:34.399 --> 02:40:37.319 you tear somebody's head off, there's no selling it. Man, 3067 02:40:38.200 --> 02:40:40.680 You get what you got. And I went to the 3068 02:40:40.760 --> 02:40:42.760 guy and called him out. You know, hey, dude, you're 3069 02:40:42.840 --> 02:40:43.159 killing me. 3070 02:40:43.239 --> 02:40:43.799 What the hell? 3071 02:40:44.799 --> 02:40:47.559 And he looked at me and said, well, maybe it's 3072 02:40:47.600 --> 02:40:49.600 time you get out of the ring. That's a sad 3073 02:40:49.639 --> 02:40:50.159 thing to say. 3074 02:40:50.520 --> 02:40:53.079 Oh yeah, that's he always put his foot in his 3075 02:40:53.159 --> 02:40:56.360 mouth that way, or if anybody challenged him or critiqued 3076 02:40:56.440 --> 02:40:58.920 him or came at him, he'd always had this snippy 3077 02:40:59.000 --> 02:41:02.639 response that like created all kinds of problems for him. 3078 02:41:03.079 --> 02:41:06.000 Maybe you're a fucking idiot, right, Like, I mean. 3079 02:41:05.920 --> 02:41:08.479 Why did this the Arnt Anderson stabbing thing happens because 3080 02:41:08.479 --> 02:41:10.559 he shot off of the mouth about Flair being too old. 3081 02:41:10.840 --> 02:41:11.760 I mean, he shouldn't be in. 3082 02:41:11.760 --> 02:41:14.959 There, you know. So the next time we wrestled, he 3083 02:41:15.120 --> 02:41:17.559 closed on me, and I did a little maneuver and 3084 02:41:17.840 --> 02:41:22.639 snapped his bicep in half with intent, and he went down. 3085 02:41:22.760 --> 02:41:25.719 He was grabbing his arm. The bicep rolled up on 3086 02:41:25.879 --> 02:41:27.479 his shoulder. Oh my god. 3087 02:41:27.680 --> 02:41:29.559 So I don't believe Jake for a second that he 3088 02:41:29.600 --> 02:41:31.079 did it on purpose. I'm not sure how you tear 3089 02:41:31.120 --> 02:41:33.239 someone's bicep on purpose, but I know, and how. 3090 02:41:33.360 --> 02:41:36.120 It seems like it was this little simple, That it's 3091 02:41:36.159 --> 02:41:39.440 this simple to tear a bicep. That's pretty horror full. 3092 02:41:39.440 --> 02:41:40.879 I think the UFC guys would use it all the 3093 02:41:40.920 --> 02:41:42.360 time if there were such a thing as the bicep 3094 02:41:42.399 --> 02:41:43.000 to yeah. 3095 02:41:43.520 --> 02:41:47.159 Exactly, like you could just fucking you know. But and 3096 02:41:47.280 --> 02:41:48.440 he went down and he was grabbing his arm. The 3097 02:41:48.440 --> 02:41:50.479 bicep rolled up on his shoulder. It looked pretty awesome. 3098 02:41:50.639 --> 02:41:52.920 And he's screaming to ring the bell. And I jumped 3099 02:41:52.959 --> 02:41:56.280 on top of him and grabbed the bicep and just 3100 02:41:56.319 --> 02:42:00.399 started squeezing. And I was pissed, and I told him 3101 02:42:00.440 --> 02:42:01.959 maybe it was time for him to get out of 3102 02:42:02.000 --> 02:42:05.239 the damn Ringow not proud of it. It seems like 3103 02:42:05.239 --> 02:42:07.760 you're proud of it. Actually, like you're pretty damn proud 3104 02:42:07.760 --> 02:42:10.159 of it. I do need to apologize to him, face him. 3105 02:42:10.200 --> 02:42:12.079 I'm not going to call his name out. We all 3106 02:42:12.239 --> 02:42:14.120 know him. But he did what he did, and I 3107 02:42:14.200 --> 02:42:16.600 did what I did. And he had six months off? 3108 02:42:17.000 --> 02:42:22.079 Wow, he sure did. In a shooting interview talking about. 3109 02:42:21.879 --> 02:42:25.399 That's how is that possible? How's what possible? How did 3110 02:42:25.440 --> 02:42:26.239 he have six months? 3111 02:42:26.440 --> 02:42:28.760 Jake is not going to take the time to calculate 3112 02:42:28.799 --> 02:42:32.879 exactly how many months it was, Like no one ever had. 3113 02:42:32.879 --> 02:42:35.959 You know, if summersion happened in August, he doesn't matter. 3114 02:42:36.079 --> 02:42:40.239 He's back in the ring in in January, and I 3115 02:42:40.360 --> 02:42:42.760 I'd have to think that Jake cost himself some Survivor 3116 02:42:42.840 --> 02:42:44.200 series money. I mean, I know he still was on 3117 02:42:44.280 --> 02:42:46.959 the card, but you can tell just from that magazine 3118 02:42:47.079 --> 02:42:49.719 article that Sid versus Jake I think would have been 3119 02:42:50.319 --> 02:42:54.440 seen in a more premium spot on the on the show, well, 3120 02:42:54.479 --> 02:42:55.760 it was going to be the main event still, I 3121 02:42:55.799 --> 02:42:57.000 think it was going to be. It was going to 3122 02:42:57.040 --> 02:42:59.799 be Sid and his team versus Jake and his team 3123 02:43:00.639 --> 02:43:02.079 as the main event. I mean, that match was the 3124 02:43:02.120 --> 02:43:06.479 main event anyway, without Hogan and Taker. Hogan Taker was 3125 02:43:06.520 --> 02:43:07.600 not on the main event of the show. It was 3126 02:43:07.639 --> 02:43:10.440 middle It was middle of the show. God, God, it 3127 02:43:10.600 --> 02:43:14.200 was the main event of boss Man and boss Man, 3128 02:43:14.239 --> 02:43:16.360 a llegiing to Doom versus natural disasters and. 3129 02:43:16.440 --> 02:43:19.079 Facking hell Jesus Christ. 3130 02:43:19.840 --> 02:43:21.280 That was That was it. He was supposed to be. 3131 02:43:21.399 --> 02:43:23.360 That was supposed to sit the main event is fucking 3132 02:43:23.440 --> 02:43:25.360 first in ring pay per view. 3133 02:43:25.719 --> 02:43:29.159 That's so wild, yep. Sid saying in a shoot interview 3134 02:43:29.479 --> 02:43:31.920 after that or no before that, actually, but about the 3135 02:43:31.959 --> 02:43:35.399 same circumstance. I've never stooged done anybody. I can't stooge anybody. 3136 02:43:35.440 --> 02:43:37.559 I can't kiss anybody's ass. I can be your friend, 3137 02:43:37.600 --> 02:43:39.440 but I can never kiss your ass. That's what I've 3138 02:43:39.479 --> 02:43:41.799 told everybody in the business. And Jake was the first 3139 02:43:41.920 --> 02:43:44.239 one that fucking got me in some trouble up there. 3140 02:43:44.840 --> 02:43:46.319 I don't know if you know what I said or done. 3141 02:43:46.399 --> 02:43:48.280 Vince called and got on to me, but you can't 3142 02:43:48.319 --> 02:43:50.520 utter a fucking word out there, and then it gets 3143 02:43:50.600 --> 02:43:54.120 magnified words like i'd imagine, boss, maybe you should get out. 3144 02:43:53.959 --> 02:43:57.719 Of the ring. Yeah, to Jake Roberts, Yeah, probably not 3145 02:43:57.799 --> 02:43:59.959 a good idea, Pal, So that was weird. 3146 02:44:00.520 --> 02:44:02.520 I didn't really like that part of it, Sid, Sid. 3147 02:44:03.920 --> 02:44:07.479 So now he's shelved to heal the bicip injury. He's 3148 02:44:07.479 --> 02:44:09.520 still on the road because you know, bicep terror isn't 3149 02:44:09.600 --> 02:44:12.879 like disqualifying as far as flying in things. But he's 3150 02:44:12.920 --> 02:44:15.719 not working in the ring. But he's still making towns. 3151 02:44:16.680 --> 02:44:20.600 And as luck would have it, or as perhaps the 3152 02:44:20.639 --> 02:44:23.840 opposite of luck would have it, in Greensboro, North Carolina, 3153 02:44:23.920 --> 02:44:27.120 the WWF and WCW crews crossed paths which would happen 3154 02:44:27.159 --> 02:44:29.959 sometimes on the road, and the boys would interact. It 3155 02:44:30.079 --> 02:44:33.120 wasn't like, you know, there was a fucking you know, 3156 02:44:33.319 --> 02:44:37.040 some kind of moratorium or some kind of rule where 3157 02:44:37.079 --> 02:44:39.079 you couldn't you know, meet with the WCW guys in 3158 02:44:39.159 --> 02:44:41.840 a bar somewhere. There's a famous picture from the Attitude 3159 02:44:41.840 --> 02:44:44.639 era where the warring companies were in across each other, 3160 02:44:44.719 --> 02:44:46.799 and you got like Hogan and Hollywood clothes and Steve 3161 02:44:46.840 --> 02:44:49.639 Austin in the same picture and Big show before he 3162 02:44:49.719 --> 02:44:52.440 came over to WWF in the picture, and you know 3163 02:44:52.879 --> 02:44:53.520 this happens. 3164 02:44:54.200 --> 02:44:56.559 But Sid is. Sid's head is big. 3165 02:44:57.239 --> 02:44:59.840 Sid is seeing big crowds, he's seeing high end production. 3166 02:45:00.159 --> 02:45:02.920 He's rubbing shoulders with Hulk Hogan, the biggest star in 3167 02:45:03.000 --> 02:45:06.559 the industry, and he's not going to be able to 3168 02:45:06.639 --> 02:45:09.319 keep his thoughts to himself about how Bush League the 3169 02:45:09.399 --> 02:45:12.000 company he left behind, which years later he would call 3170 02:45:12.040 --> 02:45:14.680 an unmitigated mistake, though certainly in nineteen ninety one he's 3171 02:45:14.719 --> 02:45:17.959 not feeling that way. And when he sees WCW wrestlers, 3172 02:45:18.000 --> 02:45:20.680 he's going to talk about it. And this boss is 3173 02:45:20.719 --> 02:45:24.840 where we get the squeegee incident. Oh boy, what do 3174 02:45:24.920 --> 02:45:26.440 you know about the squeegee incident? 3175 02:45:26.719 --> 02:45:28.239 Not much? Not much. 3176 02:45:28.639 --> 02:45:34.079 So we're gonna start with Liam wore it, no of it? Right, yeah, okay, 3177 02:45:34.120 --> 02:45:35.879 So what what's your general conception of it? 3178 02:45:36.760 --> 02:45:39.280 Don't I just know that there was a squeegee incident, okay, 3179 02:45:39.719 --> 02:45:41.639 at one point, like I've learned about it before, but 3180 02:45:41.680 --> 02:45:44.200 I don't really remember what it was. 3181 02:45:44.440 --> 02:45:46.239 You just know that at some point Sid is wielding 3182 02:45:46.280 --> 02:45:48.879 a squeegee. Yes, And that's the thing with Sid. It's 3183 02:45:48.920 --> 02:45:50.840 not so much what he does. It's that he ends 3184 02:45:50.920 --> 02:45:53.600 up doing goofy things like playing softball and trying to 3185 02:45:53.680 --> 02:45:55.920 tack him over with a squeegee, being an idiot, and 3186 02:45:56.159 --> 02:45:58.479 you know, and like being a farmer, and the size. 3187 02:45:58.680 --> 02:46:01.280 Like these things aren't goofy in an of themselves, but 3188 02:46:01.399 --> 02:46:03.719 when when you put them in Sid's hand or in 3189 02:46:03.799 --> 02:46:08.399 Sid's circumstance or environment, they become hilarious. I'm sorry, yes 3190 02:46:08.600 --> 02:46:08.799 they do. 3191 02:46:09.120 --> 02:46:11.239 It becomes complete fodder. 3192 02:46:11.559 --> 02:46:13.639 Like that story that Stan Hansen told that we talked 3193 02:46:13.639 --> 02:46:15.239 about in part one where he sends Sid to the 3194 02:46:15.319 --> 02:46:17.360 ring because Sid suddenly gets a paranoid that they're going 3195 02:46:17.399 --> 02:46:18.840 to get counted out of a best two or three 3196 02:46:18.879 --> 02:46:21.799 falls match and Sid lunges over the top rope like 3197 02:46:21.840 --> 02:46:25.120 a total klutz, or the story Shane Douglas tells in 3198 02:46:25.159 --> 02:46:28.000 Continental where Sid go as Lord Timungus goes timbered thinking 3199 02:46:28.040 --> 02:46:32.760 Sika's behind him, and he's not like that because it's Sid. 3200 02:46:32.840 --> 02:46:34.520 It's like, at least four times funny. 3201 02:46:34.639 --> 02:46:36.360 It's so goofy, it's so goofy. 3202 02:46:36.559 --> 02:46:39.040 Just add that physical awkwardness to it. I mean, look, 3203 02:46:39.079 --> 02:46:41.319 he made the Hogan post down look like a comedy routine, yep, 3204 02:46:41.399 --> 02:46:42.680 and I don't think he intended to do that. 3205 02:46:44.120 --> 02:46:45.440 So he's just a goofball. 3206 02:46:45.719 --> 02:46:46.840 So we're going to get to one, you know, a 3207 02:46:46.920 --> 02:46:49.479 story that just can't you can't hear about Sid and 3208 02:46:49.520 --> 02:46:52.120 never forget it. And as people try to, you know, 3209 02:46:52.479 --> 02:46:56.479 lean into the positive sentiments about this guy upon his passing, 3210 02:46:56.520 --> 02:46:58.600 which is natural and is a classy thing to do. 3211 02:46:59.319 --> 02:47:03.000 You just someone's gonna say squeege eventually, just like they're 3212 02:47:03.000 --> 02:47:06.040 gonna mention the stabbing, and just like they're gonna mention softball, 3213 02:47:06.120 --> 02:47:08.639 you're going to mention it. And we're definitely gonna mention 3214 02:47:08.760 --> 02:47:10.479 it right here, because this is when it happens with 3215 02:47:10.600 --> 02:47:15.200 the WWF, even though it happened against WCW personnel, namely 3216 02:47:16.000 --> 02:47:19.559 Brian Pillman and Mike Graham. Mike Graham, of course, the 3217 02:47:19.639 --> 02:47:22.680 son of the legendary Florida promoter Eddie Graham, and wrestler 3218 02:47:23.239 --> 02:47:25.799 and someone who is working in the ww front office 3219 02:47:25.879 --> 02:47:27.840 then and for years and had a reputation of being 3220 02:47:27.879 --> 02:47:31.120 quite a hot head and despite being relatively undersized, not 3221 02:47:31.280 --> 02:47:35.120 backing down from the opportunity to engage in fisticuffs. Brian Pillman, 3222 02:47:35.159 --> 02:47:36.959 by the way, had very much the same reputation as 3223 02:47:37.520 --> 02:47:40.520 that smaller football player who just you know, overcame that 3224 02:47:40.760 --> 02:47:45.200 by being just a complete madman, vicious, tough guy. So 3225 02:47:45.280 --> 02:47:47.879 we turned to LIAMO. Rourke's book about a Brian Pillman 3226 02:47:47.920 --> 02:47:50.719 called Crazy Like a Fox. It's a wonderful compendium of 3227 02:47:50.760 --> 02:47:53.600 Brian's career, and of course, naturally he gets to this 3228 02:47:53.639 --> 02:47:57.479 point because Brian Pillman figures very prominently in the Squeegee story. 3229 02:47:57.479 --> 02:48:00.440 So we're gonna let him set the table rights. The 3230 02:48:00.520 --> 02:48:02.799 crew had done a show in Greensboro on October thirteenth 3231 02:48:02.840 --> 02:48:04.959 and were set to fly out to Alabama on the fifteenth. 3232 02:48:05.000 --> 02:48:06.680 Of The Atlanta given the guys a night at the 3233 02:48:06.719 --> 02:48:08.680 Ramata End close to the airport. With many of the 3234 02:48:08.680 --> 02:48:11.120 guys drinking at the bar, the recently departed Sid Viscius 3235 02:48:11.159 --> 02:48:14.440 dropped in to say hello, little boy. After a few beers, which, 3236 02:48:14.479 --> 02:48:17.000 by the way, Sid always talked about not drinking much, 3237 02:48:17.159 --> 02:48:20.040 and that's supported by people talk that seemed to talk 3238 02:48:20.079 --> 02:48:21.680 about him and observed him on the road. He was 3239 02:48:21.879 --> 02:48:22.879 very he was health conscious. 3240 02:48:22.959 --> 02:48:23.520 He was a freak. 3241 02:48:24.040 --> 02:48:25.879 Like we've talked about. He'd be up at four thirty 3242 02:48:25.920 --> 02:48:27.360 in the morning, even when on the road. He'd be 3243 02:48:27.479 --> 02:48:29.680 on the few guys that would insist on getting two 3244 02:48:29.760 --> 02:48:32.319 workouts in a day while traveling as a wrestler. He 3245 02:48:32.360 --> 02:48:35.680 would only intend to eat just like protein and just 3246 02:48:35.799 --> 02:48:40.360 unmitigated healthy portions and type, not portions, but types of food. 3247 02:48:40.719 --> 02:48:41.639 He wasn't He. 3248 02:48:41.639 --> 02:48:44.559 Didn't engage in anything so smoking weed and when he 3249 02:48:44.639 --> 02:48:46.159 drank it was rare, but it seems like when he 3250 02:48:46.280 --> 02:48:49.600 drank you ended up with stories like this, okay, and 3251 02:48:50.280 --> 02:48:51.639 even he would be one of the first ones to 3252 02:48:51.680 --> 02:48:54.559 admit that. So after a few beers or work right, 3253 02:48:54.600 --> 02:48:56.799 Sid couldn't help himself. He was more than happy to 3254 02:48:56.840 --> 02:48:58.520 talk down to the wrestlers in the company he'd left 3255 02:48:58.559 --> 02:49:00.959 behind for the WWF about how much greener the grass 3256 02:49:01.079 --> 02:49:03.879 was on the other side. You can just picture him, can't. Yeah, 3257 02:49:03.879 --> 02:49:06.280 who guys, look, I mean, you guys think you're a 3258 02:49:06.280 --> 02:49:08.040 big deal. I'm sorry, I mean, you got it. The 3259 02:49:08.079 --> 02:49:10.479 way they're doing things up there. You guys are basically 3260 02:49:10.680 --> 02:49:12.840 like in the minor leagues. And I hate to say it. 3261 02:49:12.959 --> 02:49:14.719 You know, he'll say these little things to make you 3262 02:49:14.799 --> 02:49:17.360 feel like he's not insulting you while insulting you For 3263 02:49:17.440 --> 02:49:19.200 ten minutes, all he's doing is insulting. 3264 02:49:19.239 --> 02:49:20.000 That's Sid. Yeah. 3265 02:49:21.079 --> 02:49:23.360 While the WWF was having its own problems at the time, 3266 02:49:23.440 --> 02:49:26.040 o'rourick writes, nobody could really argue that nineteen ninety one 3267 02:49:26.040 --> 02:49:28.360 had been a disaster thus far for Turner's ensemble. One 3268 02:49:28.399 --> 02:49:30.680 person who took exception was Mike Graham, who suggested that 3269 02:49:30.719 --> 02:49:33.120 Sid should shut his mouth instead of heating the request. 3270 02:49:33.319 --> 02:49:35.680 Sid kept up his obnoxious tirade and responded that he'd 3271 02:49:35.719 --> 02:49:37.479 drawn more money in the last week than Graham did 3272 02:49:37.559 --> 02:49:39.959 his entire career, which is true, by the way. Well, 3273 02:49:41.399 --> 02:49:43.680 with Graham being close to Brian and with things getting heated, 3274 02:49:43.760 --> 02:49:46.840 Pillman found himself involved. Brian's here perked when Sid began 3275 02:49:46.920 --> 02:49:49.879 his rantings, and he couldn't resist joining in once Vicious 3276 02:49:49.920 --> 02:49:52.440 mentioned drawing money. Given his less than stellar track record, 3277 02:49:52.600 --> 02:49:54.719 Sid was all too eager to extend his attention to Brian, 3278 02:49:54.840 --> 02:49:56.799 saying that the reason the WWF is where it is 3279 02:49:56.959 --> 02:49:59.159 and WCW is where it is is because they have 3280 02:49:59.239 --> 02:50:01.479 the correct, more belie avable approach of keeping the big 3281 02:50:01.520 --> 02:50:05.559 guys away from doing programs with the little guys. As 3282 02:50:05.639 --> 02:50:09.440 Sid always would let those thoughts fly about smaller wrestlers, 3283 02:50:09.920 --> 02:50:13.079 the flashbacks to their previous issues and Ixnate program. He'll 3284 02:50:13.120 --> 02:50:16.159 not forget. Sid, as we found out later, purposely dropped 3285 02:50:16.159 --> 02:50:19.120 Pilman on his head in the War Games. That's right, 3286 02:50:19.559 --> 02:50:21.600 so that's behind them at this point, not by much, 3287 02:50:21.639 --> 02:50:25.440 by several months only, and combined with the fact that 3288 02:50:25.479 --> 02:50:27.120 he had to listen to the same mentality for as 3289 02:50:27.159 --> 02:50:29.440 long as he could remember, he'd heard about enough Pillman, 3290 02:50:29.520 --> 02:50:31.760 that is, Sid then delivered a line that Pilman would 3291 02:50:31.760 --> 02:50:33.600 never make it in wrestling because not only was he 3292 02:50:33.680 --> 02:50:35.479 a pretty boy, but he didn't know how to work, 3293 02:50:35.600 --> 02:50:38.280 which was tantamount to Adolf Hitler preaching a quality to 3294 02:50:38.319 --> 02:50:41.959 Martin Luther King Junior. Pilman aggressively rose out of his 3295 02:50:42.040 --> 02:50:44.440 seat with fire in his eyes, ready to fight. Pilman 3296 02:50:44.479 --> 02:50:47.079 had no intention of backing down or letting the comment slide. 3297 02:50:47.479 --> 02:50:49.120 Just as it seemed the tour to come to blows, 3298 02:50:49.159 --> 02:50:51.760 it was Sid who declined, pulling up his shirt, travilla 3299 02:50:51.799 --> 02:50:54.120 band aid on his forearm, covering a scar from a 3300 02:50:54.159 --> 02:50:56.879 recent surgery for a torn bicep. Sid cited it as 3301 02:50:56.879 --> 02:50:59.280 his reason for not fighting. As Sid left the bar, 3302 02:50:59.520 --> 02:51:02.959 the guy's cool down somewhat. The tense situation seemingly diffused. 3303 02:51:03.399 --> 02:51:05.239 People had just about got their hands back in their 3304 02:51:05.280 --> 02:51:12.719 beers when Sid re entered, menacingly holding a squeegee. You 3305 02:51:12.760 --> 02:51:15.840 know what I think about, boss, Yeah, don't tell mom. 3306 02:51:15.879 --> 02:51:19.120 The babysitters dead, Suellen Crandall's getting the job at the 3307 02:51:19.159 --> 02:51:22.559 hot dog stand. And that creepy boss goes, oh, really 3308 02:51:22.719 --> 02:51:26.239 fun squeegee, Oh my god, And that's what he's got 3309 02:51:26.319 --> 02:51:29.000 his hand. Yeah, or's their work put to the plastic 3310 02:51:29.040 --> 02:51:32.479 windshield cleaning device in his hand as if it were 3311 02:51:32.520 --> 02:51:35.239 a deadly weapon, challenging both Pilman and Graham to bring 3312 02:51:35.319 --> 02:51:38.399 it on without much effort. Graham took the squeege away 3313 02:51:38.399 --> 02:51:40.680 from Sid as the other wrestlers held Pilman back. Vicious 3314 02:51:40.719 --> 02:51:43.000 then left the bar for good. Pilman and Graham, despite 3315 02:51:43.040 --> 02:51:46.360 staying away from Sid's weapon of mass destruction, managed to 3316 02:51:46.399 --> 02:51:49.319 come out of the entire incident's squeaky clean. Indeed, Pilman 3317 02:51:49.399 --> 02:51:51.840 left the encounter as a locker room hero for backing 3318 02:51:51.920 --> 02:51:55.159 down Sid, and the comedy value would be parodied for years. 3319 02:51:56.920 --> 02:52:00.479 Sid and the Squeegee Jesus, here's my Graham. I'm a 3320 02:52:00.479 --> 02:52:02.959 shoot interview with our video, telling the story in much 3321 02:52:03.000 --> 02:52:05.879 more colorful terms and perhaps taking some poetic license as well. 3322 02:52:05.920 --> 02:52:09.399 He's definitely one that would exaggerate or in cert certain 3323 02:52:09.440 --> 02:52:11.920 things to disrupt narratives, you know. He he's the kind 3324 02:52:11.959 --> 02:52:14.319 of guy that would say he had the wcw MGM 3325 02:52:14.399 --> 02:52:16.760 Disney deal on the on the rails before Eric Bischoff 3326 02:52:17.079 --> 02:52:19.280 stole the idea. He's from the Yeah, he's from the 3327 02:52:19.319 --> 02:52:22.440 Greg Ganya school, Okay, of anything that's ever worked in wrestling. 3328 02:52:22.479 --> 02:52:24.719 I had the idea first, So keep that in mind. 3329 02:52:24.760 --> 02:52:26.799 But he does tell the story in a very compelling way. 3330 02:52:27.120 --> 02:52:29.319 And as much as Pilman is involved in the Squeegye story, 3331 02:52:29.360 --> 02:52:31.440 because it you know, came to the word exchange that 3332 02:52:31.479 --> 02:52:33.680 we just heard, it really is a fight between Sid 3333 02:52:33.719 --> 02:52:36.120 and Mike Graham in a lot of ways, and let's 3334 02:52:36.159 --> 02:52:37.719 let's let's just turn it over to Mike Graham because 3335 02:52:37.760 --> 02:52:39.600 it's it's just fucking amazing. 3336 02:52:41.840 --> 02:52:45.440 Came back from my own Montgomery, Alabama or something. We 3337 02:52:45.639 --> 02:52:50.719 just finished TV. Terry Allen and God bless Brian. 3338 02:52:52.000 --> 02:52:55.280 Pillman was there and I was there, and they had 3339 02:52:55.319 --> 02:52:57.360 had a couple of drinks and it was kind of 3340 02:52:57.440 --> 02:52:59.680 nodding off a little bit, and Sid had just left 3341 02:53:00.680 --> 02:53:03.559 w and gone to WWF. So he's sitting over at 3342 02:53:03.559 --> 02:53:06.559 the bar. And went and seen him for I been 3343 02:53:06.600 --> 02:53:08.920 gone for a couple of months, and I just say, 3344 02:53:08.920 --> 02:53:11.079 he said, how are you? And he went back, sat down, 3345 02:53:12.159 --> 02:53:16.319 and Sid gets up, walks over, sits down and commenced 3346 02:53:16.399 --> 02:53:20.120 to telling us what a chicken shit company WCW is 3347 02:53:20.200 --> 02:53:23.440 and everybody that works there stupid, and ww. 3348 02:53:23.559 --> 02:53:25.920 The place to be and just then and then, well, 3349 02:53:25.959 --> 02:53:28.520 we all still worked for WCW. We had pride in 3350 02:53:28.559 --> 02:53:29.239 what we were doing. 3351 02:53:29.760 --> 02:53:32.319 I didn't want somebody telling me that we were doll masses, 3352 02:53:32.399 --> 02:53:34.719 or that the company sacked or anything else. So I 3353 02:53:34.840 --> 02:53:36.959 just said, Sid, why don't you go back over and 3354 02:53:37.040 --> 02:53:38.959 tell the girl that story at the bar. 3355 02:53:39.600 --> 02:53:44.600 She'll believe it. I'm not going to he said, you might. Gran. 3356 02:53:44.719 --> 02:53:47.239 You're a loser. I've made more money in the last 3357 02:53:47.319 --> 02:53:50.159 two months than you'll make here all year. You spent 3358 02:53:50.319 --> 02:53:55.559 your life I've done this, I've done that. I leafed 3359 02:53:55.559 --> 02:53:57.799 across the table at him, stood up. 3360 02:53:57.920 --> 02:54:02.719 I said, sid, you said, might be true, But I said, 3361 02:54:02.760 --> 02:54:04.920 this loser that hasn't made as much money as he 3362 02:54:05.040 --> 02:54:08.760 was just about to kick your ass. And he gets 3363 02:54:08.840 --> 02:54:10.600 up out of the chair and he stitches his interview 3364 02:54:10.719 --> 02:54:12.479 chin out. He could do a hell of an interview. 3365 02:54:13.559 --> 02:54:14.280 I wasn't buying it. 3366 02:54:14.760 --> 02:54:17.120 He wasn't cutting an interview on a wrestling fan. I 3367 02:54:17.280 --> 02:54:20.920 wasn't wrestling fan. And I said, I went around the table. 3368 02:54:20.959 --> 02:54:24.040 He dropped his arm and he said, well, if you 3369 02:54:24.079 --> 02:54:26.319 want to beat up a guy with one arm, go ahead. 3370 02:54:27.440 --> 02:54:28.120 He said one arm. 3371 02:54:28.360 --> 02:54:30.840 He said, shit, looks like you got two arms to me, 3372 02:54:30.920 --> 02:54:33.399 and they're three times the size of mine. You have it, 3373 02:54:33.600 --> 02:54:35.360 and he pulls his shirt sleeve up. He had a 3374 02:54:35.399 --> 02:54:37.879 little band aid, a little band aid on. I ripped 3375 02:54:37.920 --> 02:54:39.000 my bicep today. 3376 02:54:40.280 --> 02:54:44.159 Oh, I said, get out of here, just go home. No, 3377 02:54:44.520 --> 02:54:47.399 don't come in here and insult this and then act 3378 02:54:47.479 --> 02:54:48.319 like Fred. 3379 02:54:48.360 --> 02:54:48.760 Just go home. 3380 02:54:48.840 --> 02:54:50.239 I helped him put his wind breaker on. 3381 02:54:50.319 --> 02:54:50.799 It was going to go. 3382 02:54:50.879 --> 02:54:53.319 I helped him put his wind breaker on. Everything. See 3383 02:54:53.399 --> 02:54:55.280 walks out the door. So I'm standing on my back 3384 02:54:55.319 --> 02:54:55.719 to the door. 3385 02:54:56.600 --> 02:54:58.600 I'm trying to get Brian up and Terry to get 3386 02:54:58.639 --> 02:55:00.000 him to the room and all that kind of stuff 3387 02:55:01.000 --> 02:55:01.600 from behind me. 3388 02:55:01.760 --> 02:55:03.840 Here, all right, Graham, I'm ready for you. 3389 02:55:04.000 --> 02:55:04.120 Now. 3390 02:55:04.639 --> 02:55:07.000 It's gonna be an even fight. Now, I'm ready for you. 3391 02:55:07.840 --> 02:55:10.760 I thought he was kidding. I turned around to look. 3392 02:55:10.760 --> 02:55:13.239 He's got a squeegee like you clean your wonder with 3393 02:55:13.360 --> 02:55:16.000 a squegee in his hand. I looked at him and went, 3394 02:55:17.120 --> 02:55:21.040 are you serious? He goes, yeah, he's in the breakdown, 3395 02:55:21.120 --> 02:55:23.520 like he's in a position where he's gonna move or 3396 02:55:23.559 --> 02:55:24.280 fight or something. 3397 02:55:25.239 --> 02:55:26.440 I walked over to him. 3398 02:55:26.479 --> 02:55:28.719 I snatched a squeege out of his hand and I 3399 02:55:28.840 --> 02:55:31.040 thumped him on the chest with it. I said, sid, 3400 02:55:31.799 --> 02:55:34.559 get out of here before I stick this up your ass. 3401 02:55:36.239 --> 02:55:38.280 And I handed it back to him and he took 3402 02:55:38.360 --> 02:55:39.120 it and put. 3403 02:55:39.040 --> 02:55:40.799 His arms down. He walked around. 3404 02:55:40.879 --> 02:55:43.719 I thought, Jesus, here's six eight three hundred pounds. If 3405 02:55:43.760 --> 02:55:45.479 he comes in with a tire, iron or something in 3406 02:55:45.559 --> 02:55:48.239 my back's turned, he could do some damage. I better 3407 02:55:48.280 --> 02:55:50.959 pay attention this next time. So I walked out into 3408 02:55:51.000 --> 02:55:53.600 the lobby to see what he was going to if 3409 02:55:53.600 --> 02:55:54.959 he was going to come back with something or what 3410 02:55:55.040 --> 02:55:57.159 he was doing, and he had moved his car up 3411 02:55:57.200 --> 02:55:58.680 to the front of the hotel, so he got I 3412 02:55:58.719 --> 02:56:00.120 guess and beat me up with a squege you. 3413 02:56:00.239 --> 02:56:02.399 Make the big escape. When he saw me standing in 3414 02:56:02.440 --> 02:56:04.959 the lobby, starts going, I'm on the cake your ass 3415 02:56:05.079 --> 02:56:06.280 me and you ain't no good. 3416 02:56:06.360 --> 02:56:10.600 I mean, like a uh temper tantrum that a junior 3417 02:56:10.680 --> 02:56:12.280 high school cheerleader would throw or something. 3418 02:56:12.319 --> 02:56:13.840 So he gets on his scar and he drives off. 3419 02:56:16.639 --> 02:56:16.760 Uh. 3420 02:56:16.879 --> 02:56:21.000 Yeah, so it's a shit stirr and a pain in 3421 02:56:21.040 --> 02:56:21.360 the ass. 3422 02:56:21.479 --> 02:56:23.760 I mean, yeah, can we not to me? You know, 3423 02:56:23.879 --> 02:56:27.680 can we not pretend to not know that it makes 3424 02:56:27.760 --> 02:56:28.479 total sense to me? 3425 02:56:28.600 --> 02:56:30.559 What stands out to you about that story there from 3426 02:56:30.600 --> 02:56:33.760 Mike Grant, if anything, What stands out to you about 3427 02:56:33.760 --> 02:56:35.239 that narrative there from Mike Graham? 3428 02:56:35.399 --> 02:56:43.399 Uh, honestly, it's the it's the torn bicep. And then 3429 02:56:43.399 --> 02:56:45.719 all of a sudden, you know, he's like he needs 3430 02:56:45.760 --> 02:56:52.120 to prove himself. You know, He's like, he's like, I 3431 02:56:52.239 --> 02:56:55.280 can't find I got a torn bop. All right, you're 3432 02:56:55.280 --> 02:56:56.719 a bit wait a. 3433 02:56:56.799 --> 02:57:01.799 Minute, spam, you get back here right now. 3434 02:57:03.600 --> 02:57:07.520 So he says, Graham, I mean it kind of I 3435 02:57:07.600 --> 02:57:08.879 never thought of it this way until I heard it. 3436 02:57:08.959 --> 02:57:11.040 But it's like the reason he grabs a squeegee is 3437 02:57:11.079 --> 02:57:13.559 because he's got a bad arm, and to him, one 3438 02:57:13.600 --> 02:57:15.879 good arm with a squegee, and it is more, you know, 3439 02:57:16.000 --> 02:57:19.719 tantamount to two working arms. I suppose. Well, when he 3440 02:57:19.799 --> 02:57:21.600 tells the story said that is it's a little more 3441 02:57:21.600 --> 02:57:24.040 anodyne than that, a little more kind of like, you know, 3442 02:57:24.920 --> 02:57:26.719 weak than that. I mean to hear Sid tell it 3443 02:57:26.840 --> 02:57:28.719 is we're about to hear from the shoot interview he 3444 02:57:28.760 --> 02:57:31.520 did with Hannibal, everyone at the bars trying to talk 3445 02:57:31.559 --> 02:57:34.120 him into coming back to WCW. And that's when he 3446 02:57:34.200 --> 02:57:37.479 started talking about how superior the WWF experience was. And 3447 02:57:37.559 --> 02:57:40.040 here's Sid giving us a little flavor of what happened from. 3448 02:57:39.959 --> 02:57:43.399 There in WCW. 3449 02:57:43.600 --> 02:57:46.000 Ryan, But there's a lot of stories out there about 3450 02:57:46.079 --> 02:57:49.159 the squeegee thing with you, and Brian told me was 3451 02:57:49.200 --> 02:57:51.479 that during your first or second run. 3452 02:57:51.799 --> 02:57:53.600 As Actually, well, I was on the WWF. 3453 02:57:54.200 --> 02:57:56.120 What it was, I tore my boss up that night 3454 02:57:56.120 --> 02:57:58.680 in Orlando, Florida, and I had left my car that 3455 02:57:58.799 --> 02:58:01.319 the hoe Jones and everybody's say that I'm sitting there 3456 02:58:01.399 --> 02:58:04.479 talking to him, and actually that night magdalum Ta, and 3457 02:58:04.559 --> 02:58:06.840 they were trying to taught me into coming back to 3458 02:58:07.079 --> 02:58:09.319 w c W, and I was just telling him how 3459 02:58:09.399 --> 02:58:13.280 great things were. Brian Pillmer started running his mouth and 3460 02:58:13.360 --> 02:58:15.200 I said, hey, fucking and I had a torn bicep. 3461 02:58:15.319 --> 02:58:17.159 You know, no, I couldn't. I couldn't have fought if 3462 02:58:17.200 --> 02:58:19.440 I wanted to. And so I just remember getting out. 3463 02:58:19.520 --> 02:58:21.920 My car was dead, the guy was giving me a boost, 3464 02:58:22.399 --> 02:58:24.399 and Pilm was out there, and it just so happened 3465 02:58:24.440 --> 02:58:27.200 he was in the four boarders of the pass receipt 3466 02:58:27.440 --> 02:58:29.079 and I grabbed and said, hey, motherfucker, you give me 3467 02:58:29.079 --> 02:58:30.200 a whacky in the fucking head of this. 3468 02:58:30.680 --> 02:58:32.799 Of course he didn't, you know what I mean. So 3469 02:58:33.920 --> 02:58:35.920 so it's a kind of an exaggerated yes. 3470 02:58:35.959 --> 02:58:36.319 Of course. 3471 02:58:36.559 --> 02:58:38.520 The thing is this, if if Broon Pilman never had 3472 02:58:38.520 --> 02:58:40.239 any things, you know, if he really wanted to be 3473 02:58:40.280 --> 02:58:41.799 a tough guy when I beat him up that time 3474 02:58:41.840 --> 02:58:44.959 of war games, legitimately, the sitting him through that cage, 3475 02:58:45.280 --> 02:58:46.319 he had all the reason he. 3476 02:58:46.319 --> 02:58:47.959 Could have fought right there, and he didn't want to fight. 3477 02:58:48.920 --> 02:58:51.280 He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast. 3478 02:59:04.639 --> 02:59:08.559 He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnaco 3479 02:59:08.959 --> 02:59:10.000 and JP sorrow. 3480 02:59:11.479 --> 02:59:13.959 So to Sid's way of telling it, he's in the 3481 02:59:14.040 --> 02:59:16.600 parking lot with the squegee and Pillman's getting in his face. 3482 02:59:17.680 --> 02:59:20.920 Of course, Graham tells the story of Sid re entering 3483 02:59:20.959 --> 02:59:24.200 the hotel wielding the squegee ready to go to war. Now, 3484 02:59:24.520 --> 02:59:27.079 those are two things that just don't mix, like someone's 3485 02:59:27.159 --> 02:59:27.920 right and someone's wrong. 3486 02:59:28.000 --> 02:59:33.200 Here do we have the truth? 3487 02:59:33.399 --> 02:59:35.040 They don't have the truth? Now, those are the two 3488 02:59:35.079 --> 02:59:37.200 stories we have, And of course we don't have Pilman 3489 02:59:37.239 --> 02:59:39.200 story because before there really was such a thing as 3490 02:59:39.239 --> 02:59:43.719 a shoot interview industry, he passed away. But you know, 3491 02:59:44.520 --> 02:59:46.280 it makes more sense to me that Sid would grab 3492 02:59:46.360 --> 02:59:49.239 the squeegee if he was being run up on in 3493 02:59:49.280 --> 02:59:51.799 the car. Yeah, and he just grabbed the nearest thing 3494 02:59:51.840 --> 02:59:54.079 he had then going to the going to the parking 3495 02:59:54.120 --> 02:59:56.639 lot and coming back with a squeegee, And maybe he 3496 02:59:56.680 --> 02:59:57.040 did both. 3497 02:59:57.120 --> 02:59:58.319 Maybe he uh, he. 3498 02:59:58.399 --> 03:00:00.879 Grabbed the squeegee in confronting Pim in the parking lot 3499 03:00:00.959 --> 03:00:02.520 and then ended up just saying, fuck, I'm gonna go 3500 03:00:02.600 --> 03:00:05.239 back in there with this thing. But you know, Sid 3501 03:00:05.319 --> 03:00:08.559 holding a squeegee, It's just you're not gonna hurt anybody 3502 03:00:08.600 --> 03:00:08.760 with that. 3503 03:00:09.319 --> 03:00:12.399 I know, it's a fucking it's like the it's like 3504 03:00:12.520 --> 03:00:15.120 the worst weapon you could possibly grab, especially when you're 3505 03:00:15.520 --> 03:00:21.959 tall and like you're supposed to be menacing. And he does. 3506 03:00:22.600 --> 03:00:27.159 He does come across as someone who really, more often 3507 03:00:27.239 --> 03:00:30.360 than not, is gonna make himself look like an idiot exactly, 3508 03:00:30.680 --> 03:00:33.680 thank you. You know, when push comes to shove, he 3509 03:00:34.120 --> 03:00:38.399 really can't get across the toughness factor. He just looks 3510 03:00:38.520 --> 03:00:39.479 like a fool when. 3511 03:00:39.399 --> 03:00:41.079 It comes right when it comes right down to it, 3512 03:00:41.239 --> 03:00:42.879 he's gonna make you kind of laugh in his face, 3513 03:00:42.920 --> 03:00:46.360 even if you don't intend to. And so we go 3514 03:00:46.600 --> 03:00:48.559 and and you know what, you know, it's another chapter 3515 03:00:48.680 --> 03:00:51.959 in that book is his face when they announced that 3516 03:00:52.040 --> 03:00:55.319 he will not get the WrestleMania eight WWF title shot. Yes, 3517 03:00:56.159 --> 03:00:58.159 describe it for the people, the face he makes when 3518 03:00:58.200 --> 03:01:01.600 they declare Hogan the Challenger or Savage the Challenge or 3519 03:01:01.600 --> 03:01:02.079 whatever it was. 3520 03:01:02.200 --> 03:01:06.000 It's just like, you know, he well, first of all, 3521 03:01:06.079 --> 03:01:08.719 don't don't forget he stands up first, thinking he's the 3522 03:01:08.799 --> 03:01:14.840 number one contender. It's spectacular. Oh, it's spectacular. He stands up, 3523 03:01:14.879 --> 03:01:17.040 and then Hogan gets it, and he sits back down, 3524 03:01:17.079 --> 03:01:22.239 and he goes he tears up random pieces of paper. 3525 03:01:22.719 --> 03:01:26.319 Yeah, like a like a child having a child. So 3526 03:01:26.520 --> 03:01:29.600 this is them accelerating. Oh, the last man standing, Yes, 3527 03:01:31.479 --> 03:01:33.239 because this is coming off the Rumble, of course, and 3528 03:01:33.319 --> 03:01:36.360 we'll get to that. Yeah, but I just I thought 3529 03:01:36.399 --> 03:01:38.399 of that right away when I thought of what, when 3530 03:01:38.440 --> 03:01:42.360 have I seen a face from Sid that's probably close 3531 03:01:42.399 --> 03:01:45.239 to the face he was making wielding that squeegee. And 3532 03:01:45.360 --> 03:01:47.799 it's this WrestleMania press conference angle we've talked about over 3533 03:01:47.840 --> 03:01:49.639 the years. You know all about it. It's a WrestleMania 3534 03:01:49.680 --> 03:01:51.559 eight episode is there for the taking in the archives. 3535 03:01:51.959 --> 03:01:54.760 But as we know, going into WrestleMania eight, there is 3536 03:01:54.840 --> 03:01:57.559 controversy because of the way the Rumble ninety two ended 3537 03:01:58.239 --> 03:02:00.639 Rick Flair, of course becoming WA champion after Hulk Hogan 3538 03:02:00.680 --> 03:02:02.920 pulls Sid out after Hogan had already been eliminated. It 3539 03:02:03.000 --> 03:02:05.399 falls to WWF president Jack Tunney to make a decision 3540 03:02:05.639 --> 03:02:07.680 as to who will get the championship shot at WrestleMania. 3541 03:02:07.879 --> 03:02:10.479 Everyone's thinking Hogan Flair. He declares it to be Hogan 3542 03:02:10.760 --> 03:02:13.920 right in that press conference. Yes, and it doesn't end 3543 03:02:13.959 --> 03:02:16.959 up being Hogan ultimately, and Sid gets so pissed that 3544 03:02:17.079 --> 03:02:18.600 he didn't get it. And this is where Sid turns 3545 03:02:18.639 --> 03:02:21.840 Heill Basically, this is the first time he does something Yeah, yeah, 3546 03:02:21.840 --> 03:02:23.559 because not so forget when he pulled Hogan out of 3547 03:02:23.600 --> 03:02:25.399 the rumble, he got pretty well cheered. It wasn't like 3548 03:02:27.040 --> 03:02:28.600 it was almost more of a heel turn for Hogan. 3549 03:02:28.360 --> 03:02:31.319 Than I mean, honestly, all this stuff actually it's actually 3550 03:02:31.399 --> 03:02:34.000 all a bunch of babyface stuff that really happens to him. 3551 03:02:34.000 --> 03:02:38.120 I mean, even getting even getting screwed out of the 3552 03:02:38.159 --> 03:02:41.280 title shot is it's like you kind of feel for 3553 03:02:41.360 --> 03:02:43.799 Sid because Sid was the last guy. 3554 03:02:44.000 --> 03:02:45.719 Yeah, and you kind of resent Hogan because he's been 3555 03:02:45.719 --> 03:02:48.079 there so many times and now he's getting advantaged again. 3556 03:02:49.040 --> 03:02:50.799 But in their mind, they always do this. Vince always 3557 03:02:50.799 --> 03:02:52.440 had a problem with this, where like he get to 3558 03:02:52.479 --> 03:02:56.120 a certain point where he'd assume that the babyface would 3559 03:02:56.159 --> 03:02:58.120 be cheered. He did this with Charlotte against Becky, remember, 3560 03:02:58.520 --> 03:03:02.600 and it was like, oh, okay, like here's another here's 3561 03:03:02.600 --> 03:03:05.840 another version of the formula where Hogan comes out the 3562 03:03:05.920 --> 03:03:07.479 baby face. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, that's 3563 03:03:07.479 --> 03:03:09.799 one too many times you just missed you, you're one 3564 03:03:09.840 --> 03:03:10.360 step behind. 3565 03:03:10.399 --> 03:03:13.200 That's one too many times it's done a piss poor 3566 03:03:13.319 --> 03:03:15.680 job of it, pispor job, and you're going to get 3567 03:03:15.719 --> 03:03:19.959 Hogan over as the baby face. Everything else should have 3568 03:03:20.000 --> 03:03:23.399 happened like he should have been in the Sid position 3569 03:03:23.600 --> 03:03:26.000 absolutely the whole time. And we're about to talk about 3570 03:03:26.040 --> 03:03:29.079 this because Sid notices this. Vince may have been too 3571 03:03:29.319 --> 03:03:32.680 more clever than we think here, because Hogan, knowing that 3572 03:03:32.760 --> 03:03:36.360 Sid's gonna move in in his position, has a fucking fit. 3573 03:03:36.479 --> 03:03:39.319 According to Sid backstage after the Royal rumaldnineteen ninety two, 3574 03:03:39.680 --> 03:03:44.159 feeling like Vince actually engineered circumstances, knowing full well that 3575 03:03:44.280 --> 03:03:46.120 the way it ended up being executed, and that Hogan 3576 03:03:46.159 --> 03:03:48.639 couldn't see it coming until it was too late, that 3577 03:03:48.760 --> 03:03:51.120 Sid would come away the baby face and Hogan would 3578 03:03:51.159 --> 03:03:54.760 come away the whiny bitch. And instead of that being 3579 03:03:54.959 --> 03:03:57.959 like some fans not going with Vince and his his 3580 03:03:58.079 --> 03:04:01.239 direction and his intended reaction, Hogan actually thinks that Vince 3581 03:04:01.319 --> 03:04:04.680 knew full well what the fans would do and try 3582 03:04:04.760 --> 03:04:06.319 to get Hogan to go along with it, and Sid 3583 03:04:06.479 --> 03:04:08.280 is just, you know, this guy caught in the middle 3584 03:04:08.319 --> 03:04:10.879 who doesn't understand this sort of you know, three D 3585 03:04:11.040 --> 03:04:12.840 chest that's going on, and certainly never had to deal 3586 03:04:12.920 --> 03:04:15.319 with that WCW where people just showed up to collect 3587 03:04:15.360 --> 03:04:18.719 and go home. Oh yeah, this is like a brand 3588 03:04:18.760 --> 03:04:20.399 new way of playing the game to him, and he's 3589 03:04:20.600 --> 03:04:24.079 very inexperienced in this regard. So he's playing with the 3590 03:04:24.120 --> 03:04:26.920 big dogs here. But just to hear what Sid had 3591 03:04:26.959 --> 03:04:30.799 to say after that WrestleMania a press conference, it's rather 3592 03:04:30.879 --> 03:04:33.440 a legendary and it puts another thing that we always 3593 03:04:33.479 --> 03:04:36.040 talk about with Sid on the table. Well, he said, Justice, 3594 03:04:36.079 --> 03:04:40.840 you were obviously not or to say something. 3595 03:04:41.200 --> 03:04:42.600 What happened at Ward Rumbles. 3596 03:04:42.920 --> 03:04:46.000 It was simple, man, I was the last man standing. 3597 03:04:46.399 --> 03:04:47.559 I would be the world. 3598 03:04:47.440 --> 03:04:50.559 Chapman if it wasn't for you, Hogan, pulling me out 3599 03:04:50.959 --> 03:04:52.239 from outside the ring. 3600 03:04:53.000 --> 03:04:56.040 Now, what you did, Jack Tunny was bogus. 3601 03:04:56.959 --> 03:04:59.280 Both bogus act you fair for pull off. 3602 03:05:00.200 --> 03:05:01.760 I want to ask you what is it? 3603 03:05:02.079 --> 03:05:04.719 Is it because I'm not a big movie stormed like 3604 03:05:04.879 --> 03:05:07.680 Hulk Cogan, the big and mortal one himself. 3605 03:05:08.680 --> 03:05:11.440 Is it because Sid Justice is the newcomer? 3606 03:05:12.799 --> 03:05:16.440 Well, I want to tell you something, Hulk Hogan, you 3607 03:05:17.440 --> 03:05:22.040 couldn't be ripped player on your best taste. But I 3608 03:05:22.879 --> 03:05:29.959 can't why because Sid Justice ools us the world? 3609 03:05:32.559 --> 03:05:34.239 I think it's the first time he said rules the world. 3610 03:05:34.280 --> 03:05:34.639 I think so. 3611 03:05:36.440 --> 03:05:38.600 Certainly close to it because that's a heel line, and 3612 03:05:38.680 --> 03:05:41.000 he's now a heel or you know, in their mind 3613 03:05:41.040 --> 03:05:43.920 becoming a heel, even though, like you said, any fair 3614 03:05:44.000 --> 03:05:45.479 reading of the way that played out for Sid, he 3615 03:05:45.600 --> 03:05:46.600 is absolutely the victim. 3616 03:05:47.159 --> 03:05:47.319 Yep. 3617 03:05:47.520 --> 03:05:49.840 But it's like Brett in ninety seven, And that's interesting. 3618 03:05:49.879 --> 03:05:52.360 That's interesting because you know, that plays a huge role 3619 03:05:52.440 --> 03:05:55.879 in where Sid stands Brett's storyline in ninety seven. It's like, 3620 03:05:56.600 --> 03:06:00.760 even if you're justified, if you whine too much about 3621 03:06:00.760 --> 03:06:03.000 being screwed over, you are eventually going to be a 3622 03:06:03.120 --> 03:06:05.319 heel in the eyes of the fans. Like right, even 3623 03:06:05.319 --> 03:06:07.440 if you have a total solid case to make, if 3624 03:06:07.440 --> 03:06:10.399 you if you go to go too long complaining about it, 3625 03:06:10.520 --> 03:06:14.680 eventually the fans turn on your forward or dis you know, 3626 03:06:15.079 --> 03:06:17.680 have a certain degree disdain for you. So I think 3627 03:06:17.719 --> 03:06:19.639 that's what happens to Sid, even though as I mentioned, 3628 03:06:19.680 --> 03:06:22.319 there are people that are vociferously kind of with Sid 3629 03:06:22.479 --> 03:06:24.680 kicking Hogan's asset, wrestling the aid for the most part, 3630 03:06:24.760 --> 03:06:26.159 by the time they get to Who's Your Dome, it's 3631 03:06:26.360 --> 03:06:29.520 you know, eighty five percent pro Hogan, right, even if 3632 03:06:29.559 --> 03:06:30.399 you're coming out of the road. 3633 03:06:30.360 --> 03:06:34.200 And they enough, you know, to make to make Sid 3634 03:06:34.239 --> 03:06:35.000 little the bad guy. 3635 03:06:35.360 --> 03:06:37.319 Indeed, and I got a request and I'm going to 3636 03:06:37.319 --> 03:06:39.159 answer it from one of our patrons. As we get 3637 03:06:39.159 --> 03:06:41.319 to this point, we've had a lot of fun as 3638 03:06:41.559 --> 03:06:44.520 you just started mimicking it. You just started out with 3639 03:06:44.639 --> 03:06:46.920 pantomiming it with that promo over the years, the most 3640 03:06:46.959 --> 03:06:49.719 bogus thing you've ever pulled off. Yes, someone said, you know, 3641 03:06:49.799 --> 03:06:53.920 I expect a treatise on the etymology of the word bogus. 3642 03:06:54.120 --> 03:06:57.000 All right, so in Sid's voice, could you please read 3643 03:06:57.440 --> 03:07:00.159 this summation of what we know. And it's it's not 3644 03:07:00.280 --> 03:07:02.520 very much about where the word bogus comes from. 3645 03:07:04.200 --> 03:07:10.840 The word bogus has a somewhat mysterious etymology, but it 3646 03:07:10.959 --> 03:07:14.520 appears to have originated in the early nineteenth century in 3647 03:07:14.520 --> 03:07:21.920 the United States. It originally referred to device used for counterfeiting. 3648 03:07:21.879 --> 03:07:24.799 Also known as pro wrestling, such as make. 3649 03:07:24.760 --> 03:07:30.079 A machine for making fake coins. Over time, the words 3650 03:07:30.159 --> 03:07:34.959 meaning broadened to or for anything that was fake, fraudulent, 3651 03:07:36.399 --> 03:07:40.959 or not genuine. Here's a more detailed look at the 3652 03:07:41.040 --> 03:07:47.799 potential origin. Number One early used counterfeit money around the 3653 03:07:47.879 --> 03:07:51.879 eighteen twenties eighteen thirties, bogus was used to describe a 3654 03:07:52.000 --> 03:07:58.280 machine for making counterfeit coins or the counterfeit coins themselves. 3655 03:08:00.120 --> 03:08:05.840 Number two folk origins. Some sources suggest that a bogus 3656 03:08:07.440 --> 03:08:10.559 might have derived from a slang word for a fake 3657 03:08:10.680 --> 03:08:18.079 device or contraption often used in criminal activities, though exact 3658 03:08:18.159 --> 03:08:25.879 origins remain speculative. Evolution of meaning as it spread, bogus 3659 03:08:26.799 --> 03:08:33.680 evolves describe anything that was false, dishonest, or unreliable. By 3660 03:08:33.760 --> 03:08:36.920 the late nineteenth century, its use had explained to refer 3661 03:08:37.319 --> 03:08:46.840 to anything considered fake or phony, not just currency. The 3662 03:08:46.959 --> 03:08:50.520 exact root of the word remains unclear, and there's no 3663 03:08:50.719 --> 03:08:55.040 widely agreed upon linguistic origin. No, it might have been 3664 03:08:55.120 --> 03:09:00.319 linked to the boom in counterfeit currency production during this time. 3665 03:09:01.879 --> 03:09:10.280 The meaning today still reflects its origins, describing something fake 3666 03:09:11.799 --> 03:09:12.639 or inauthentic. 3667 03:09:13.280 --> 03:09:18.159 Wow, and certainly Jack Tunney's decision as it regards contendership 3668 03:09:18.200 --> 03:09:19.079 for the WIF. 3669 03:09:18.840 --> 03:09:21.600 Title qualifies under that very inauthentic. 3670 03:09:22.639 --> 03:09:24.239 And it's funny that he ends up at a crossroads 3671 03:09:24.239 --> 03:09:26.639 here with Rick Flair as WF CHAM For many reasons. One, 3672 03:09:27.399 --> 03:09:30.559 he leaves WCW in the dust and leaves Flair in 3673 03:09:30.600 --> 03:09:33.360 the dust, you know, after having that friction with him 3674 03:09:33.399 --> 03:09:35.959 and the Horseman over how much you know, we talked 3675 03:09:35.959 --> 03:09:37.559 about it last week, how much he was paid, and 3676 03:09:37.840 --> 03:09:40.360 perhaps some resentment there that Sid's read of why Flair 3677 03:09:40.399 --> 03:09:42.200 gave him somewhat of a cold shoulder as time went on. 3678 03:09:43.200 --> 03:09:45.440 And there is also the matter at WCW or Flair, 3679 03:09:45.479 --> 03:09:47.440 who you know, had a lot of sway in terms 3680 03:09:47.440 --> 03:09:49.079 of how things were booked and how things were framed. 3681 03:09:49.120 --> 03:09:50.719 He'd just been the head of the booking committee and 3682 03:09:50.760 --> 03:09:53.200 kind of voluntarily stepped down from that role but retained 3683 03:09:53.200 --> 03:09:56.840 a lot of sway backstage, would basically, according to Sid, 3684 03:09:56.959 --> 03:09:59.360 kind of give them a hard time. Ahead of Hollyween 3685 03:09:59.399 --> 03:10:01.399 Havoc nineteen, I debrief faced sting for the title in 3686 03:10:01.479 --> 03:10:03.200 the main event about saying on interviews that I'm going 3687 03:10:03.280 --> 03:10:05.120 to be the next world champion and referring to himself 3688 03:10:05.120 --> 03:10:08.639 repeatedly as the next world Champion. To Rick Flair's mind, 3689 03:10:08.680 --> 03:10:10.200 that's not something he should say as much as he 3690 03:10:10.280 --> 03:10:12.000 did if there wasn't indeed a plan to give him 3691 03:10:12.000 --> 03:10:14.639 the title, or if they wanted to keep it somewhat 3692 03:10:14.639 --> 03:10:16.479 of a surprise if they decided to give him this strap. 3693 03:10:16.840 --> 03:10:18.840 Sid's story is at Olie Anderson, who of course was 3694 03:10:19.000 --> 03:10:21.040 very much as confident and supporter in the front office 3695 03:10:21.079 --> 03:10:23.799 and loved Sid was telling him to go out and 3696 03:10:23.840 --> 03:10:25.479 say this, and Oi was the actual boss at that 3697 03:10:25.559 --> 03:10:27.719 point in time, and so he's going to stick with 3698 03:10:27.760 --> 03:10:29.360 what Oli says. Now, of course, Sid is just going 3699 03:10:29.440 --> 03:10:31.559 to stick with whatever. If two people tell him to 3700 03:10:31.559 --> 03:10:33.079 doude two different things, He's going to pick the one 3701 03:10:33.120 --> 03:10:36.239 that frames him strongest and side with that person. But 3702 03:10:36.280 --> 03:10:37.840 I mean, the tension goes all the way back to 3703 03:10:37.959 --> 03:10:40.920 that point and now here he is top dog right 3704 03:10:41.479 --> 03:10:44.760 above Flair and the WWF on the Big WrestleMania show, 3705 03:10:45.559 --> 03:10:49.079 and still the stature of Rick vs. V The championship 3706 03:10:49.719 --> 03:10:53.559 is a relevant consideration for him and how he's cutting promos. 3707 03:10:53.600 --> 03:10:56.799 It really is something. How he leaves WCW presumably leaving 3708 03:10:56.840 --> 03:10:59.280 that Rick Flair situation behind him, and Rick comes right 3709 03:10:59.319 --> 03:11:02.120 in the door behind him as well. It's so true, 3710 03:11:02.760 --> 03:11:06.719 really strange. So as far as Sid looks back on 3711 03:11:06.760 --> 03:11:08.879 Hollyween Havoc ninety, he said in a shoot interview once, 3712 03:11:08.959 --> 03:11:10.559 so I know that he was the one Flair that 3713 03:11:10.639 --> 03:11:13.360 went to the upper people and said Sid's not ready 3714 03:11:13.559 --> 03:11:17.520 for this. Yes, so he sees some sabotage. He really 3715 03:11:17.559 --> 03:11:20.239 came into Halloween Havock apparently expecting to win the championship, 3716 03:11:20.399 --> 03:11:22.879 and that's where he gets into that whole thing about 3717 03:11:22.879 --> 03:11:24.799 how Barry Wyndham showing up in the matches the faked 3718 03:11:24.840 --> 03:11:27.760 Sting was not run by him ahead of time. He 3719 03:11:27.879 --> 03:11:29.760 sort of frames it. I guess ultimately is something that 3720 03:11:29.920 --> 03:11:31.920 was done to get Sid in the ring thinking he's 3721 03:11:31.920 --> 03:11:33.920 going to win the title, and double cross him in 3722 03:11:34.000 --> 03:11:36.040 real time to where Sting can still leave the champion, 3723 03:11:36.120 --> 03:11:38.040 but Sid can go to the ring and not put 3724 03:11:38.079 --> 03:11:41.079 up a fucking fight about not winning. So I don't 3725 03:11:41.079 --> 03:11:43.319 know there's a lot of credulity required to believe that 3726 03:11:43.440 --> 03:11:46.680 version of events, but I do believe that Flair and 3727 03:11:46.760 --> 03:11:49.840 Sid had some crosswords or at least spoke behind each 3728 03:11:49.840 --> 03:11:52.879 other's backs about things. And I would not be surprised 3729 03:11:52.920 --> 03:11:55.319 at all if Flair was going to the realizing how 3730 03:11:55.399 --> 03:11:58.120 much Sid was making going to the height of his 3731 03:11:58.239 --> 03:12:00.440 powers to let people know that he didn't think should 3732 03:12:00.440 --> 03:12:02.360 be the world champion at that point in nineteen ninety. 3733 03:12:02.959 --> 03:12:04.879 But here we are in the WWF and their fates 3734 03:12:04.920 --> 03:12:08.159 are again intertwined. And as mentioned at the Royal Rumble 3735 03:12:08.200 --> 03:12:10.319 nineteen ninety two, Rick Flair and the great Greatest Rumble 3736 03:12:10.319 --> 03:12:12.360 ever wins the championship. We know the story, we know 3737 03:12:12.440 --> 03:12:16.680 what happens Albany, New York. CID eliminates Hogan, everybody goes, 3738 03:12:16.719 --> 03:12:18.559 oh my god, and then Hogan gets so pissed that 3739 03:12:18.600 --> 03:12:21.079 he pulls Sid out from the floor, and the crowd 3740 03:12:21.159 --> 03:12:23.799 of course boos vociferously at Hogan for doing this and 3741 03:12:23.920 --> 03:12:27.959 cheers wildly when CID eliminates Hogan. In subsequent releases of 3742 03:12:28.040 --> 03:12:30.879 the tape on Colisseum Video and replays on television and 3743 03:12:31.000 --> 03:12:33.440 on the network to this day, they sort of dub 3744 03:12:33.520 --> 03:12:36.559 over the crowd going crazy when Hogan gets eliminated and yeah, 3745 03:12:36.600 --> 03:12:39.360 boo wing Hogan. But anybody who watched the Rumble ninety 3746 03:12:39.399 --> 03:12:40.000 two live. 3747 03:12:40.479 --> 03:12:43.440 Well, And also you can't deny the fact that, you know, 3748 03:12:43.559 --> 03:12:46.719 people jump out of their seats when Hogan gets eliminated. 3749 03:12:46.760 --> 03:12:50.600 You can see it, right. Yeah, so that's absolutely true 3750 03:12:50.639 --> 03:12:54.040 as well. So Sid is now going to the back 3751 03:12:54.159 --> 03:12:56.559 here in Albany, and he's going to observe what's happening here. 3752 03:12:56.920 --> 03:12:58.879 And again this is a Sid who's already kind of 3753 03:12:58.920 --> 03:13:01.879 disillusioned because the plan of him working only TVs and 3754 03:13:01.920 --> 03:13:04.280 pay per views has fallen through the idea of him 3755 03:13:04.399 --> 03:13:06.120 sort of taking his time to marinate to become the 3756 03:13:06.159 --> 03:13:09.399 next guy when Hogan departs has now accelerated so much 3757 03:13:09.479 --> 03:13:12.680 with Warrior sudden departure that he's out there clearly, as 3758 03:13:12.680 --> 03:13:16.079 we heard him express in a deeply dissatisfying position of 3759 03:13:16.200 --> 03:13:18.200 posing next to Hulk Hogan at the end of SummerSlam, 3760 03:13:18.280 --> 03:13:21.360 like that's supposed to accomplish anything. He'd call me a poser, 3761 03:13:21.479 --> 03:13:23.559 and he tears his bicep and loses the chance to 3762 03:13:23.600 --> 03:13:25.479 be as you mentioned, the show closer at the Survivor 3763 03:13:25.559 --> 03:13:27.959 series in his first pay per view match, So he's 3764 03:13:27.959 --> 03:13:30.959 already kind of not sure about this whole thing. And 3765 03:13:31.040 --> 03:13:33.600 then Hogan, according to Sid and I just love to 3766 03:13:33.639 --> 03:13:35.040 picture this in my head, and we'll hear the clip 3767 03:13:35.079 --> 03:13:37.239 here from a shoot interview that he did. This is 3768 03:13:37.239 --> 03:13:41.200 the one with Sean Mooney completely flips his lid over 3769 03:13:41.280 --> 03:13:43.799 what happened with Sid out there in the Rumble ninety two. 3770 03:13:45.200 --> 03:13:46.840 In that company. I was in the wrong place at 3771 03:13:46.840 --> 03:13:52.120 the wrong time, you know, I left a big guaranteed 3772 03:13:52.159 --> 03:13:54.559 contract to come into this place, and what the deal was. 3773 03:13:54.920 --> 03:13:56.639 I was going to do TVs and pay per views 3774 03:13:56.680 --> 03:13:58.399 for one year, and that's to WrestleMania. I was going 3775 03:13:58.440 --> 03:13:59.840 to be the world champ and I was going to 3776 03:14:00.200 --> 03:14:02.639 start my first house show. Well, he had the Fire 3777 03:14:02.680 --> 03:14:05.159 of the Warrior, a SummerSlam, and all that shit changed, 3778 03:14:05.799 --> 03:14:08.399 you know, So from the very beginning, things. 3779 03:14:08.239 --> 03:14:09.040 Just didn't go right. 3780 03:14:09.639 --> 03:14:13.280 So we were in already New York at Royal Rumble, 3781 03:14:13.680 --> 03:14:19.959 where I think Hogan pulled me out from the outside 3782 03:14:20.079 --> 03:14:24.040 or something, and they started. Right when we get back, 3783 03:14:25.760 --> 03:14:28.440 you know, Hogan is screaming and acting like a woman, 3784 03:14:29.280 --> 03:14:32.079 and I'll go hold on a minute. He's screaming at events. 3785 03:14:32.399 --> 03:14:33.440 You set this up. 3786 03:14:33.600 --> 03:14:37.200 You made this happen. I didn't even know Vince was 3787 03:14:37.280 --> 03:14:39.440 that bad of a person at the time, you know 3788 03:14:39.639 --> 03:14:41.680 that did things like that. I thought that was just 3789 03:14:41.799 --> 03:14:45.440 all hearsay because I didn't care. You know, I really 3790 03:14:45.479 --> 03:14:48.559 didn't care what they did. So I went to Vince's office, 3791 03:14:48.799 --> 03:14:51.879 I said, Vince, listen, man. I took my hand down. 3792 03:14:51.920 --> 03:14:55.479 I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna thank you for the opportunity, 3793 03:14:55.959 --> 03:14:59.200 but I'm gone. I cannot work in the place that 3794 03:14:59.360 --> 03:15:02.520 grown men act like women. And he said, no, no, no, 3795 03:15:02.559 --> 03:15:04.639 I'm not shaking your hand. That's what it's not going 3796 03:15:04.680 --> 03:15:07.440 to do you good. I'm leaving. He's doing well, you 3797 03:15:07.600 --> 03:15:10.959 just stay till WrestleMania. And I said, okay, I'll stay 3798 03:15:11.079 --> 03:15:11.920 till WrestleMania. 3799 03:15:12.559 --> 03:15:14.680 And that's what I did. 3800 03:15:14.840 --> 03:15:17.399 And I think I finished up a couple of days 3801 03:15:17.399 --> 03:15:18.239 after WrestleMania. 3802 03:15:19.319 --> 03:15:21.120 And this is where they make that sharp right turn 3803 03:15:21.120 --> 03:15:24.079 where Whippleman comes in and suddenly Sid's attacking innocence on 3804 03:15:24.920 --> 03:15:28.639 all the television shows and going super strong heel and uh, 3805 03:15:29.200 --> 03:15:31.840 that's that's what he claims. He claims that he quit 3806 03:15:32.000 --> 03:15:34.680 WWF backstage. What a fucking nightmare of for Vince. 3807 03:15:35.000 --> 03:15:36.200 I mean, what are you doing. 3808 03:15:36.399 --> 03:15:38.479 Everyone loves this show. They think it's such a brilliantly 3809 03:15:38.520 --> 03:15:43.959 booked show. Backstage, Sids Quintin Hogan's Quintin. Fucking everything's falling apart, 3810 03:15:45.239 --> 03:15:46.920 and yeah, it starts to make sense. I mean, Sid, 3811 03:15:46.959 --> 03:15:48.760 just agree to stay through WrestleMania, because even though he 3812 03:15:48.799 --> 03:15:50.840 did work a couple of shows. After he fucking leaves, 3813 03:15:51.319 --> 03:15:54.079 he leaves, he finds a way out. Now there's this, 3814 03:15:54.239 --> 03:15:56.120 there's we've talked about this before, and we'll talk about 3815 03:15:56.120 --> 03:15:58.479 it again. There's a certain subtext to all this that 3816 03:15:58.559 --> 03:16:03.120 he never seems to mention. And Vince is cracking down 3817 03:16:03.280 --> 03:16:06.440 on drug testing. Yeah, I musten not even sure if 3818 03:16:06.479 --> 03:16:08.120 he was fifty pounds lighter, if he would have been 3819 03:16:08.280 --> 03:16:08.760 as big. 3820 03:16:08.680 --> 03:16:10.440 Of a deal. Oh, I don't think so at all. 3821 03:16:11.000 --> 03:16:12.559 I don't think there would have been any I think 3822 03:16:12.719 --> 03:16:15.319 I think that that would have been I think it 3823 03:16:15.319 --> 03:16:17.600 would have been done easily. He's not gonna he's not 3824 03:16:17.639 --> 03:16:21.000 gonna main event anything. Yeah, if he's not his size, Like, 3825 03:16:21.159 --> 03:16:23.559 the size is what makes him special, and. 3826 03:16:23.600 --> 03:16:26.319 I think he knew that better than anybody, as someone 3827 03:16:26.360 --> 03:16:29.239 that was so maniacally determined to keep that size up 3828 03:16:30.000 --> 03:16:32.959 by all indications, and you know, someone who like literally 3829 03:16:33.120 --> 03:16:37.079 disappeared after he broke his leg and wasn't able to 3830 03:16:37.479 --> 03:16:39.520 you know, continue on the regiment and didn't really emerge 3831 03:16:39.559 --> 03:16:42.840 again into the public eye until he had healed sufficient 3832 03:16:42.879 --> 03:16:45.120 to get his size up again. So all that said, 3833 03:16:46.520 --> 03:16:48.360 you got to consider that as part of what might 3834 03:16:48.440 --> 03:16:52.920 be animating sid looking for reasons to quit. Okay, I'm 3835 03:16:52.959 --> 03:16:57.600 just suggesting that that's a strong possibility, and the nature 3836 03:16:57.600 --> 03:17:00.520 of his ultimate departure in nineteen ninety two after rest eight, 3837 03:17:00.559 --> 03:17:02.399 I think adds a lot of credence to that theory. 3838 03:17:04.239 --> 03:17:05.879 So we'll get to more detail on that front. But 3839 03:17:06.079 --> 03:17:08.799 what happens here is is the way this all ends 3840 03:17:08.840 --> 03:17:10.440 up playing out for Sid leads to kind of like 3841 03:17:10.520 --> 03:17:14.680 this folklore, this urban legend that basically Sid was in 3842 03:17:14.799 --> 03:17:17.159 position to get Hulk Cogan spot in the company and 3843 03:17:17.280 --> 03:17:20.120 ended up being so sort of tone deaf to everything 3844 03:17:20.239 --> 03:17:23.920 that he instead insisted on becoming a heel that somehow 3845 03:17:23.959 --> 03:17:27.399 it was at Sid's insistence that he caused himself the 3846 03:17:27.440 --> 03:17:29.959 opportunity to be the next Hull Covid of the Baboo, 3847 03:17:30.600 --> 03:17:32.000 as he just you know, wanted to play from his 3848 03:17:32.040 --> 03:17:34.000 old bag of tricks as a heel. Here's here's an 3849 03:17:34.040 --> 03:17:36.520 example of that. This is Kevin Nash reacting to the 3850 03:17:36.559 --> 03:17:39.040 passing of Sid and has clicked this podcast with Sean Oliver, 3851 03:17:39.559 --> 03:17:41.040 you know, reflecting on some of the things that you 3852 03:17:41.159 --> 03:17:42.920 heard about Sid being in the business and he knew 3853 03:17:42.959 --> 03:17:45.719 Sid real well, and this is, uh, this is kind 3854 03:17:45.760 --> 03:17:47.760 of like what survived in terms of the version of 3855 03:17:47.799 --> 03:17:49.479 the story of what happened in this time period of 3856 03:17:49.600 --> 03:17:49.879 w W. 3857 03:17:50.719 --> 03:17:53.680 He sent my church a case of beingna sausages, and 3858 03:17:53.760 --> 03:17:55.399 I sent him an autograph picture. 3859 03:17:56.159 --> 03:17:59.319 Gotcha now here he is. 3860 03:18:00.319 --> 03:18:02.360 I wasn't said one of the biggest names in He 3861 03:18:02.520 --> 03:18:03.719 was just fucking Sid. 3862 03:18:04.200 --> 03:18:06.760 I mean one of the one of the stories that's 3863 03:18:06.840 --> 03:18:14.920 always surfaced is, you know, Vince calls Sit into the 3864 03:18:15.000 --> 03:18:18.319 office and Sid comes in and Vince says, you know, 3865 03:18:20.719 --> 03:18:23.760 I'm gonna give you Hogan's boots, like You're gonna basically 3866 03:18:23.879 --> 03:18:27.360 like Hogan's gonna give you his gimmick and you're You're 3867 03:18:27.399 --> 03:18:31.159 gonna He's gonna pass the torch to you, and said 3868 03:18:31.360 --> 03:18:35.200 he looked at Vince and said, well, yeah, that's great 3869 03:18:35.239 --> 03:18:36.760 and all, but what you need right now is a 3870 03:18:36.799 --> 03:18:41.959 big vicious heel. So in other words, like just like that, 3871 03:18:42.239 --> 03:18:44.360 we're gonna give you the Hogan spot. 3872 03:18:44.879 --> 03:18:45.079 Nah. 3873 03:18:46.479 --> 03:18:48.920 Thanks, but I think you need a big vicious heel. 3874 03:18:50.319 --> 03:18:53.680 Amazing And he did the Sid accent too, Yeah, he did. 3875 03:18:53.799 --> 03:18:55.360 What you did right now is a big vicious heel. 3876 03:18:55.719 --> 03:18:57.879 Of course, I can definitely hear Sid saying what you 3877 03:18:57.959 --> 03:19:01.520 need right now? Yeah, oh, absolutely, yeah, because he's seeing 3878 03:19:01.559 --> 03:19:02.159 himself as a. 3879 03:19:02.319 --> 03:19:04.120 What you need right now is you need a big 3880 03:19:04.280 --> 03:19:08.319 vicious heel. No, I could do. I could bring in 3881 03:19:09.479 --> 03:19:13.440 I could bring in some Viennas. You see what I'm saying. 3882 03:19:13.760 --> 03:19:19.280 I come in, I'll throw Vienna's and it's all over. 3883 03:19:21.159 --> 03:19:27.360 Disgusting Vienna what brother Vienna's Dude? What is that? What 3884 03:19:27.440 --> 03:19:27.600 are you? 3885 03:19:29.760 --> 03:19:32.360 Huh? It's just amazing that Sid watches all this chaos 3886 03:19:32.440 --> 03:19:37.000 around him. The legend ends up being that Sid talked 3887 03:19:37.079 --> 03:19:41.120 himself out of hul Cogan's position. It's ridiculous and so well, 3888 03:19:41.239 --> 03:19:43.280 it's time to go heal. You know what time it is, boss? 3889 03:19:43.319 --> 03:19:45.399 This is where you enter the picture, right. Oh yeah, 3890 03:19:45.680 --> 03:19:48.200 Saturday Night's main event on NBC, one of the final 3891 03:19:48.280 --> 03:19:52.040 ones in NBC on Fox, Sorry Fox Fox building to 3892 03:19:52.159 --> 03:19:55.600 WrestleMania eight and they shoot the angle. Sid's teaming with 3893 03:19:55.639 --> 03:20:00.239 Hogan against two again Undertaker and Rick Flair. You can't 3894 03:20:00.239 --> 03:20:02.479 miss it. It's in the archives for your review. We've 3895 03:20:02.520 --> 03:20:05.079 talked about it before, but we're gonna revisit it here. 3896 03:20:05.959 --> 03:20:08.079 Sid betrays the Hawkster. 3897 03:20:08.280 --> 03:20:13.399 Good Richie for the time you listen. Oh, no, Justice, 3898 03:20:14.239 --> 03:20:18.520 what's he doing? Trust does Purgans holding? 3899 03:20:19.079 --> 03:20:19.760 Can't tell you? 3900 03:20:19.879 --> 03:20:21.639 This is a sen He's taking her. 3901 03:20:21.719 --> 03:20:23.760 He he's had enough for help hugging. 3902 03:20:24.079 --> 03:20:25.600 He's had enough for beefcake. 3903 03:20:26.120 --> 03:20:27.239 He's taking a hot. 3904 03:20:27.239 --> 03:20:29.920 Put us beefcake spinning. Ah, wait a minute, help him, 3905 03:20:30.680 --> 03:20:33.079 don't need any please, this will be like a hockey game. 3906 03:20:33.120 --> 03:20:36.079 He'll be a face off if he touches beefcake. I guarantee, 3907 03:20:36.280 --> 03:20:41.120 says help himself. But you hear what Justice said. He 3908 03:20:41.280 --> 03:20:43.760 wants talking to help himself, joining. 3909 03:20:43.680 --> 03:20:46.239 Me now, said Justice, there must be some reason for 3910 03:20:46.319 --> 03:20:46.920 your suctions. 3911 03:20:47.000 --> 03:20:47.639 You turned your. 3912 03:20:47.559 --> 03:20:50.280 Back on your friend, Holt Coke shut up first. 3913 03:20:50.360 --> 03:20:50.879 It's easy. 3914 03:20:51.319 --> 03:20:54.280 I do turn my back on my friends because I 3915 03:20:54.639 --> 03:20:58.399 do need any friends, and for furthermore, for friends like 3916 03:20:58.520 --> 03:21:00.479 Cold Cogan, I need no enemies. 3917 03:21:00.719 --> 03:21:03.639 Now, I cannot still believe the words that. 3918 03:21:03.760 --> 03:21:06.959 Jack Tunny spit out his mouth and named Hulk Cogan 3919 03:21:07.000 --> 03:21:10.040 the number one contender to face Rick Flair for the 3920 03:21:10.159 --> 03:21:11.719 championship at WrestleMania. 3921 03:21:12.120 --> 03:21:13.120 Because it's simple. 3922 03:21:13.719 --> 03:21:17.360 All you have to do is open your eyes and 3923 03:21:17.479 --> 03:21:19.799 you will see the man is standing here as the 3924 03:21:19.920 --> 03:21:23.959 number one contender. Now, Jack Turney, you've alreadys showed favoritism, 3925 03:21:24.000 --> 03:21:25.399 always showed favorite tasm tow. 3926 03:21:25.360 --> 03:21:26.760 Him in case that big movie store. 3927 03:21:26.879 --> 03:21:27.520 Maybe I'm not. 3928 03:21:29.479 --> 03:21:35.639 I said it once and I'll say it again. Hulk Cogan. 3929 03:21:36.920 --> 03:21:41.239 You couldn't beat Rick Flair on your best day. 3930 03:21:45.879 --> 03:21:49.920 As you can't make me oh my worst for Clive 3931 03:21:50.159 --> 03:21:58.319 the Madden the rules in the world, and I believed him. 3932 03:21:59.520 --> 03:22:00.000 Take us back. 3933 03:22:00.239 --> 03:22:01.120 How are you reacting? 3934 03:22:01.479 --> 03:22:03.479 Oh god, I was. I mean, you know, first of all, 3935 03:22:03.520 --> 03:22:06.799 I was mortified because all I wanted was to see 3936 03:22:06.799 --> 03:22:11.280 a whole Cogan, you know, whule Cogan win a match 3937 03:22:11.360 --> 03:22:15.840 clean on TV live or in my mind live. That's 3938 03:22:15.879 --> 03:22:19.280 all I wanted. And I was so excited and then 3939 03:22:19.360 --> 03:22:22.760 Sid pulls this shit. Oh god, I can remember how 3940 03:22:22.840 --> 03:22:25.840 nervous I was when when when Sid wasn't looking for 3941 03:22:25.920 --> 03:22:27.639 the tag oh. 3942 03:22:28.079 --> 03:22:30.719 Dropped right off the apron and Hogan's desperate crawl. 3943 03:22:33.040 --> 03:22:34.520 It was so it was just. 3944 03:22:36.040 --> 03:22:38.959 It was brutal to me, and he did it so nonchalantly. 3945 03:22:39.000 --> 03:22:41.879 But then to have such venom on the promo afterwards. Yeah, 3946 03:22:41.920 --> 03:22:44.440 these are the guys you're looking into that formed your 3947 03:22:44.520 --> 03:22:47.600 lifelong impressions of Sid. Exactly the first thing you said 3948 03:22:47.639 --> 03:22:50.040 when we started doing the tribute show that came from 3949 03:22:50.040 --> 03:22:51.719 the promo. We just heard in the angle, we just 3950 03:22:51.799 --> 03:22:57.280 heard yep, exactly all that massive and it was, uh, 3951 03:22:57.639 --> 03:23:03.120 you know, this match was featured in the Battle of 3952 03:23:03.159 --> 03:23:07.120 the Titans. Yeah, this is the time for in the 3953 03:23:07.200 --> 03:23:10.000 April ninety two issue of W magazine. Now that Sid's 3954 03:23:10.000 --> 03:23:13.319 a heel, let's see how the framing has shifted. In 3955 03:23:13.399 --> 03:23:15.159 the in house publication, there we go. 3956 03:23:17.879 --> 03:23:20.719 Sid Justice promised everyone that he would be the Hulkster's 3957 03:23:20.799 --> 03:23:23.399 truest friend hours before they were scheduled to meet w 3958 03:23:23.760 --> 03:23:26.959 Champion Rick Flair and the Undertaker on Saturday Night's main 3959 03:23:27.040 --> 03:23:30.040 event last month. Sid broke his promise and showed his 3960 03:23:30.159 --> 03:23:32.520 true colors when he abandoned the Hulkster in his time 3961 03:23:32.600 --> 03:23:35.520 of need. It was clear even before they entered the 3962 03:23:35.520 --> 03:23:38.000 Saturday Night's main event ring that all was not well 3963 03:23:38.120 --> 03:23:40.879 between Justice and hulk As soon as the bell rang, 3964 03:23:41.000 --> 03:23:45.639 they argued as to whom as to whether which of 3965 03:23:45.719 --> 03:23:49.280 them would start the match. The Hulkster reluctantly stepped to 3966 03:23:49.319 --> 03:23:51.680 the apron and watched his partner lock up with Flair. 3967 03:23:52.360 --> 03:23:55.280 Justice quickly established his dominance. He reversed an Irish whip 3968 03:23:55.319 --> 03:23:58.760 and slung Flair into the turnbuckle before leveling him with 3969 03:23:58.840 --> 03:24:01.719 a back body drop on a hip. Stunned, Flair sought 3970 03:24:01.840 --> 03:24:04.799 refuge on the arena floor after he caught his breath. 3971 03:24:04.879 --> 03:24:07.719 Flair re entered the ring just then Justice tagged the Hulkster, 3972 03:24:08.040 --> 03:24:11.479 who was out to demolish Flair. Hogan went on a tear. 3973 03:24:11.639 --> 03:24:13.680 He booted Flair in the stomach and hammered him with 3974 03:24:13.760 --> 03:24:17.520 the same tactics that Justice had used moments earlier. The 3975 03:24:17.639 --> 03:24:20.680 Undertaker rushed to his partner's age It aid it was 3976 03:24:20.840 --> 03:24:30.200 a mistake. Hogan greeted the Hogan greeted the Pale Destroyer. 3977 03:24:30.440 --> 03:24:34.959 Oh my god, p is capitalized as his d Is 3978 03:24:35.040 --> 03:24:38.520 it really the Pale Destroyer? Yes? With punches and a 3979 03:24:38.600 --> 03:24:41.600 hip toss. Holk then grabbed the Undertaker and rammed his 3980 03:24:41.760 --> 03:24:45.040 head into Justice's boot. Justice tagged into the match and 3981 03:24:45.079 --> 03:24:48.200 staggered the Undertaker with a body slam before ramming his 3982 03:24:48.360 --> 03:24:51.239 head into the Halkster's boot in the corner. At that point, 3983 03:24:51.479 --> 03:24:54.559 Justice and Hogan were working together like a well oiled machine. 3984 03:24:56.799 --> 03:24:59.639 Hulk kept up the momentum by double clotheslining his opponents 3985 03:25:00.079 --> 03:25:04.200 from there, sid In the Hulkster merged their talents and 3986 03:25:04.440 --> 03:25:07.360 cleared Flair and the Undertaker from the ring with precision 3987 03:25:07.680 --> 03:25:11.680 double teeming. The crowd erupted into cheers Hogan, who shares 3988 03:25:11.799 --> 03:25:15.799 a tight bond with his millions of holkam Amiacs reveled 3989 03:25:15.840 --> 03:25:22.280 in their adulation. Justice looked at Hogan with envy. O 3990 03:25:22.559 --> 03:25:31.840 my god. He shook his head and snorted snorted, what 3991 03:25:31.959 --> 03:25:32.360 we don't know. 3992 03:25:32.600 --> 03:25:35.840 I know, I remember seeing this, but okay, whatever you say. 3993 03:25:37.079 --> 03:25:41.959 Seconds later, the complexion of the match changed. Separated by 3994 03:25:42.000 --> 03:25:44.280 the referee, Hogan and Flair jawed at one another on 3995 03:25:44.360 --> 03:25:48.440 the apron. The Undertaker entered the ring and blasted Justice, 3996 03:25:48.440 --> 03:25:52.159 whose guard was down. The Undertaker tagged Flair, and together 3997 03:25:52.719 --> 03:25:55.040 the two athletes worked over the big man from Arkansas 3998 03:25:55.159 --> 03:25:59.159 with chops, chokes, and punches to the ear. 3999 03:26:02.000 --> 03:26:05.200 Okay, strangely, specific. 4000 03:26:06.000 --> 03:26:10.639 Amazingly, Sid absorbed these blows and rebounded. He grabbed Flair 4001 03:26:11.040 --> 03:26:14.239 and the Undertaker and rammed their skulls together, dazing them. 4002 03:26:15.239 --> 03:26:17.840 Justice tagged a fired up Hulkster, who stormed the ring 4003 03:26:18.040 --> 03:26:26.000 and tattooed Flair in the Undertaker with tremendous blows tattooed. 4004 03:26:27.319 --> 03:26:31.000 Even the Undertaker's manager, Paul BarreR, was tagged when he 4005 03:26:31.079 --> 03:26:34.360 stepped too close to the action. Yes. However, while Holkomania 4006 03:26:34.399 --> 03:26:37.680 was running wild, Flair was clearing the cobwebs and planning 4007 03:26:37.719 --> 03:26:40.559 his next move. He crept up on Hogan's blind side 4008 03:26:40.600 --> 03:26:42.760 and dropped him with a boot to the lower hamstring 4009 03:26:44.000 --> 03:26:47.520 like a wolf. Flair dug into the tender spot and 4010 03:26:48.200 --> 03:26:52.239 ensnared brother. Won't my spot, dude, my spouse word tender, dude, 4011 03:26:52.280 --> 03:26:56.239 that's quite tender, and ensnared Hogan in a painful figure 4012 03:26:56.280 --> 03:27:00.639 for leg lock. Flair increased the pressure and rocked on 4013 03:27:00.799 --> 03:27:04.239 the mat to ensure that every ligament in the Hulkster's 4014 03:27:04.319 --> 03:27:08.079 leg would be twisted. Writhing in pain, Hulk inched his 4015 03:27:08.159 --> 03:27:10.559 way across the ring and reached up for an important tag. 4016 03:27:11.639 --> 03:27:17.719 He was reaching for air with contempt in his beady eyes. 4017 03:27:18.639 --> 03:27:21.840 Sid turned down, looked down at Hogan and turned his back. 4018 03:27:22.959 --> 03:27:25.280 Seeing this flare on, the Undertaker opened up on the Hulkster. 4019 03:27:25.680 --> 03:27:31.600 They choked him and pummeled him into the mat. Hogan 4020 03:27:31.680 --> 03:27:33.879 tried to rebound with slams, but every time he went 4021 03:27:33.920 --> 03:27:38.799 to his corner, Justice wouldn't extend his hand. He ignored 4022 03:27:39.559 --> 03:27:43.840 Hogan's plea for help. Finally, Justice wiped his hands of 4023 03:27:43.920 --> 03:27:47.200 Hulk Hogan. He stepped out the apron just before Hogan 4024 03:27:47.280 --> 03:27:52.600 reached for another crucial tag and walked off Brutus the barber. Beefcake, 4025 03:27:52.639 --> 03:27:55.520 who was at ringside during the match, ran down the 4026 03:27:55.559 --> 03:27:58.680 aisle and confronted Sid b if Keke told Justice to 4027 03:27:58.760 --> 03:28:02.319 return to action. However, Justice didn't want any of Hogan 4028 03:28:02.520 --> 03:28:05.680 or his best friend Beefcake. He looked at the ring, 4029 03:28:06.399 --> 03:28:11.799 arched his eyebrows, and then spit in Brutus's face. Wow. Meanwhile, 4030 03:28:11.879 --> 03:28:14.879 Hogan was still taking a beating. Flair and the Undertaker 4031 03:28:14.959 --> 03:28:17.479 choked and kicked the Hulkster at will. When the referee 4032 03:28:17.479 --> 03:28:19.879 attempted to stop them, Flair threw him to the canvas, 4033 03:28:20.159 --> 03:28:25.000 which eventually earned the team at disqualification. Beefcake, still recovering 4034 03:28:25.079 --> 03:28:29.319 from facial injuries, still recovering. I mean, come on, it's 4035 03:28:29.360 --> 03:28:33.559 been almost two years where you're recovering from. I couldn't 4036 03:28:33.559 --> 03:28:36.000 take any more. He ran into the ring and challenged 4037 03:28:36.000 --> 03:28:39.479 Flair and the Undertaker. Sensing they might permanently injure somebody, 4038 03:28:39.840 --> 03:28:43.479 Flair and his partner turned their attention to Beefcake. However, 4039 03:28:43.639 --> 03:28:46.959 this was what Hogan needed. He rose to his feet 4040 03:28:47.200 --> 03:28:50.520 and came to his friend's aid. He battered the Undertaker 4041 03:28:50.559 --> 03:28:53.559 and Flair as if there were no tomorrow, and deposited 4042 03:28:53.639 --> 03:28:56.399 them on the arena floor, where they chose to stay 4043 03:28:58.040 --> 03:29:02.319 after the bell. Hogan was of it. He promised everybody 4044 03:29:02.399 --> 03:29:06.000 that justice will be served for Sid's actions when they 4045 03:29:06.159 --> 03:29:11.840 meet at WrestleMania eight. And that's the Battle of the Titans. 4046 03:29:12.159 --> 03:29:16.079 And you read this with horror, I'd imagine, Well, by 4047 03:29:16.159 --> 03:29:19.600 this point I kind of knew that it was, you know, 4048 03:29:19.760 --> 03:29:22.280 what was going down. I see, you know. It wasn't 4049 03:29:22.319 --> 03:29:29.680 really a surprise, but what was I was very excited 4050 03:29:29.719 --> 03:29:31.159 just to be able to read about Hulk Hogan and 4051 03:29:31.200 --> 03:29:31.879 the magazine like. 4052 03:29:33.879 --> 03:29:34.079 This is. 4053 03:29:34.200 --> 03:29:37.680 This was only my second magazine that I purchased, and 4054 03:29:38.000 --> 03:29:40.639 I'd never read about a Hulk Hogan match in the magazine. 4055 03:29:40.680 --> 03:29:41.879 So I was very excited about that. 4056 03:29:42.920 --> 03:29:47.079 Absolutely, So the memories that pour forward in the way 4057 03:29:47.120 --> 03:29:49.239 that Sid is portrayed there, what a piece of shit, right? 4058 03:29:49.319 --> 03:29:53.959 Oh yeah? The cover too, By the way, he has Flair, Savage, Hogan, 4059 03:29:54.040 --> 03:29:56.600 and Sid, all four of them on the cover. 4060 03:29:56.840 --> 03:29:58.520 Is that that famous cover with Flair with a belt 4061 03:29:58.520 --> 03:29:59.159 in the foreground. 4062 03:29:59.360 --> 03:30:04.280 No, that's the March issue equally as important. Actually, there 4063 03:30:04.360 --> 03:30:08.159 is a piece in there, actually a very brief piece, 4064 03:30:10.000 --> 03:30:14.680 because because what they do is they they interview in 4065 03:30:14.760 --> 03:30:18.760 the interview section, they interview a number of superstars. It's Hogan, 4066 03:30:18.920 --> 03:30:29.360 It's Flair, Savage, Piper, Undertaker, and Sid And here's what 4067 03:30:30.280 --> 03:30:33.719 Sid so he's asked, said Justice, you've said you think 4068 03:30:33.799 --> 03:30:38.719 this is also before he before he turned on Hogan. 4069 03:30:39.280 --> 03:30:42.879 This is pre turn, said Justice. You said you've earned 4070 03:30:42.959 --> 03:30:44.639 you think you deserve a shot of the title. Does 4071 03:30:44.719 --> 03:30:46.760 the fact that you don't have a chance to get 4072 03:30:46.799 --> 03:30:54.680 it in to get it in any way? Said Justice. 4073 03:30:54.840 --> 03:30:58.120 You said you think you deserve a shot at the title. 4074 03:30:58.639 --> 03:31:00.840 Does the fact that you don't have a chance to 4075 03:31:00.959 --> 03:31:05.680 get it in any way diminish your enthusiasm for WrestleMania eight? 4076 03:31:06.399 --> 03:31:10.000 No way, man, I'm gonna crack that head of somebody 4077 03:31:10.159 --> 03:31:14.079 big at WrestleMania eight. You wait and see. I'm gonna 4078 03:31:14.159 --> 03:31:17.280 do something that will make people look more than twice 4079 03:31:17.639 --> 03:31:21.120 at Sid Justice. You can believe it when I say 4080 03:31:21.440 --> 03:31:25.280 that I'm no longer is this farm board from Arkansas 4081 03:31:25.600 --> 03:31:28.959 gonna take a back seat to anybody watch out for 4082 03:31:29.200 --> 03:31:30.440 Sid Justice. 4083 03:31:32.639 --> 03:31:51.479 Damn it's a la fan wrestling podcasts fan wrestling podcast 4084 03:31:51.920 --> 03:31:54.600 with Jack and Jpro. 4085 03:31:55.159 --> 03:31:55.879 That's a hell turn. 4086 03:31:56.399 --> 03:31:58.920 Yeah, I mean it's it's it's they're planting the seeds 4087 03:31:58.959 --> 03:31:59.479 there for sure. 4088 03:32:00.680 --> 03:32:03.600 And so if you need to really accentuate this change 4089 03:32:03.639 --> 03:32:06.879 in personality and really need to you know, deliver more, 4090 03:32:08.840 --> 03:32:11.639 you know, obnoxious promos or longer form promos, if you 4091 03:32:11.680 --> 03:32:14.520 need someone to play off of, you know, perhaps it's 4092 03:32:14.639 --> 03:32:17.120 time to uh no boy, to cash in in an 4093 03:32:17.120 --> 03:32:19.559 old favor. Perhaps it's time to call in an old friend. 4094 03:32:19.680 --> 03:32:24.639 You recall when Sid left Memphis and Continental for WCW 4095 03:32:24.840 --> 03:32:28.040 in eighty nine, there was kind of a thing between 4096 03:32:28.120 --> 03:32:30.440 him and Downtown Bruno is manager in Continental as Lord 4097 03:32:30.479 --> 03:32:33.680 Humongus that you know, when I make it, that phone's 4098 03:32:33.680 --> 03:32:37.520 going to ring again when I need you and a 4099 03:32:37.639 --> 03:32:39.840 friend to the end in a lot of ways. Indeed, 4100 03:32:39.959 --> 03:32:42.719 and perhaps in less ways than Downtown Bruno would have 4101 03:32:42.719 --> 03:32:45.040 hoped for, was Sid. We turn now to wrestling with 4102 03:32:45.079 --> 03:32:48.479 the Truth Brunel Lauer's book and his recollection of how 4103 03:32:48.600 --> 03:32:51.239 now that Sid's a heel, that phone's ringing? We need 4104 03:32:52.120 --> 03:32:53.479 Harvey Whippleman take it away. 4105 03:32:54.360 --> 03:32:56.440 One day in July nineteen ninety one, as I sat 4106 03:32:56.520 --> 03:32:59.920 in the box office in Jasper, Indiana, the telephone ring 4107 03:33:00.120 --> 03:33:02.760 that wasn't unusual. There was there were always a lot 4108 03:33:02.799 --> 03:33:04.440 of calls to the box office on the day of 4109 03:33:04.520 --> 03:33:08.000 the Showphis fans who had questions about ticket prices, the lineup, 4110 03:33:08.040 --> 03:33:10.559 the bell time, et cetera. I was used to answering 4111 03:33:10.600 --> 03:33:14.040 those questions. This phone call, however, was one that I 4112 03:33:14.159 --> 03:33:19.479 didn't expect. It was Sabrina Udi, Sid's wife calling me 4113 03:33:19.559 --> 03:33:22.319 from Atlanta. I was shocked because, due to the fact 4114 03:33:22.319 --> 03:33:25.000 that we were no longer living in the same general area, 4115 03:33:25.600 --> 03:33:28.399 we were busy with our personal schedules. We hadn't remained 4116 03:33:28.399 --> 03:33:31.680 in very close contact. We would send birthday and Christmas cards, 4117 03:33:31.719 --> 03:33:34.280 but that was about it. I'd like to get a 4118 03:33:34.399 --> 03:33:39.120 fucking a birthday card from Harvey Whippleman. 4119 03:33:39.200 --> 03:33:41.079 Not what I wouldn't kill to see what it looked like. 4120 03:33:41.959 --> 03:33:44.639 This is the Memphis box office. He's working for USWA 4121 03:33:44.760 --> 03:33:45.440 and Jerry Longer. 4122 03:33:45.520 --> 03:33:48.200 At the time, Sid and his family had moved from 4123 03:33:48.200 --> 03:33:50.559 the Greater Memphis area to Atlanta, where he went to 4124 03:33:50.600 --> 03:33:54.079 work for WCW. I was curious to know how Sabrina 4125 03:33:54.120 --> 03:33:58.319 managed to track me down in Jasper, Indiana. The lady 4126 03:33:58.399 --> 03:34:00.639 really did her homework. She had called Buddy Wayne, a 4127 03:34:00.680 --> 03:34:04.239 longtime USWA promoter and friend, and asked him if he 4128 03:34:04.319 --> 03:34:06.840 knew how to reach me. He told me that I 4129 03:34:06.959 --> 03:34:09.840 was living in a shed behind Lawler's house and gave 4130 03:34:09.879 --> 03:34:12.719 her Lawler's number. She then called Lawler, who confirmed that 4131 03:34:12.760 --> 03:34:15.600 I was staying in his quote guest quarters, that I 4132 03:34:15.680 --> 03:34:17.760 had been on the road since Tuesday morning and he 4133 03:34:17.799 --> 03:34:20.559 didn't know when I'd be back. He told Sabrina that 4134 03:34:20.680 --> 03:34:24.040 I would definitely be back for TV on Saturday, and 4135 03:34:24.079 --> 03:34:26.559 added that the fact that Jasper was running him that 4136 03:34:26.719 --> 03:34:29.319 night Thursday, and that she could probably get the number 4137 03:34:29.360 --> 03:34:32.520 of the arena from the operator. When she finally heard 4138 03:34:32.639 --> 03:34:34.879 my voice on the phone, she seemed to be relieved. 4139 03:34:35.520 --> 03:34:37.719 Her first question was to ask what I had on 4140 03:34:37.799 --> 03:34:40.479 my schedule for three weeks from that day. I told 4141 03:34:40.479 --> 03:34:46.159 her that it never varied much. Monday, Memphis, Tuesday's Louisville, Wednesday, Evansville. 4142 03:34:46.239 --> 03:34:48.920 Thursday and Friday were spots shows that could have been 4143 03:34:48.959 --> 03:34:52.280 from anywhere in a six state radius. Saturday morning was 4144 03:34:52.360 --> 03:34:56.000 Memphis TV, Saturday was Nashville or Jonesboro. Sunday was my 4145 03:34:56.079 --> 03:34:58.399 only day off. She told me the reason she called 4146 03:34:58.520 --> 03:35:01.639 was that Sid had asked her to track me down 4147 03:35:01.760 --> 03:35:03.159 to see if you would be interest if I would 4148 03:35:03.159 --> 03:35:06.200 be interested in making a move to another territory. 4149 03:35:06.360 --> 03:35:09.280 Imagine that putting your wife on the on the task 4150 03:35:09.399 --> 03:35:11.079 of finding hard may. 4151 03:35:10.959 --> 03:35:13.680 You get your ass out of bed? Wow? And you 4152 03:35:13.840 --> 03:35:17.840 get on the fucking horn and you find Bruno. 4153 03:35:19.319 --> 03:35:22.399 I am fascinating around by Sabrina's role here. 4154 03:35:22.559 --> 03:35:29.159 Fascinated Yep. No, I'm not messing around. I'm not joking. Right. 4155 03:35:30.360 --> 03:35:34.319 You see what I have to do with Frank. Frank's 4156 03:35:34.319 --> 03:35:41.520 a piece of shit. Wow. Now, don't you disappoint me, Sabrina. 4157 03:35:41.559 --> 03:35:46.879 I'm looking at you in your eyes, and I see 4158 03:35:46.959 --> 03:35:51.239 the fear. I see the fear you have for Sid, 4159 03:35:53.479 --> 03:35:58.559 and I want you to know something. That fear is 4160 03:35:58.959 --> 03:36:07.000 justified because you will not know what it is said 4161 03:36:07.040 --> 03:36:11.639 I will do to you if you don't find Bruno. 4162 03:36:17.440 --> 03:36:28.239 Find him. Wow. Yes, I I had never had any 4163 03:36:28.319 --> 03:36:30.479 desire to leave Memphis and live in Atlanta, where WW 4164 03:36:30.680 --> 03:36:32.360 was based. I had just bought some land and I 4165 03:36:32.479 --> 03:36:35.200 wanted to develop and live on it, much like what 4166 03:36:35.280 --> 03:36:37.559 do you want to develop talent as well to develop. 4167 03:36:38.879 --> 03:36:41.840 When I explained that's to Sabrina, she said, no, Sid 4168 03:36:42.000 --> 03:36:44.159 is no longer with w CW. He's about to start 4169 03:36:44.200 --> 03:36:47.319 with the WWE. He heard through the grapevine that they 4170 03:36:47.559 --> 03:36:50.159 wanted to hire a new manager. So he arranged for 4171 03:36:50.239 --> 03:36:53.760 you to get a tryout in Worcester, Massachusetts. If you're interested, 4172 03:36:54.159 --> 03:36:56.559 you need to be there in three weeks. Was I interested? 4173 03:36:56.680 --> 03:36:59.680 Holy cow, was I ever interested? Just when I thought 4174 03:36:59.680 --> 03:37:01.799 I would. He's setting up rings and selling tickets for 4175 03:37:01.920 --> 03:37:04.719 Eddie Marlin until the day of my death. I was 4176 03:37:04.799 --> 03:37:07.760 looking for the opportunity of a lifetime. I thank Suprena 4177 03:37:07.840 --> 03:37:09.440 and told her I would call sit at his home 4178 03:37:09.760 --> 03:37:13.200 in Atlanta on Sunday. I wasn't yet ready for lawler 4179 03:37:13.319 --> 03:37:16.319 Jerry Jarrett or Eddie Marlin to know, just in case 4180 03:37:16.399 --> 03:37:20.360 things didn't work out. So on Sunday I called Sid 4181 03:37:21.000 --> 03:37:23.840 from Buddy Wayne's house. Sid confirmed that he had a 4182 03:37:23.920 --> 03:37:28.520 tryout date set for me in Worcester. Pronounced Worcester, Yeah, yeah, 4183 03:37:28.639 --> 03:37:31.920 to be clear, Yeah, because you know most people would 4184 03:37:31.920 --> 03:37:33.000 say Worcester, but. 4185 03:37:33.079 --> 03:37:34.639 Now we need to know what to pronounce Worcester when 4186 03:37:34.680 --> 03:37:35.920 we read the book for some reason. 4187 03:37:36.520 --> 03:37:40.840 Yeah. So, but he stressed that it was only a tryout, 4188 03:37:40.920 --> 03:37:44.600 nothing was guaranteed. I had to impress Vincickman, Pat Patterson 4189 03:37:44.639 --> 03:37:47.079 and JJ Dillon or I would return to setting up 4190 03:37:47.159 --> 03:37:50.760 rings in places like evening shade, Arkansas for the rest 4191 03:37:50.840 --> 03:37:54.399 of my life. Sid wanted me to drive to Atlanta 4192 03:37:54.479 --> 03:37:57.079 about three days before my shop and fly with him 4193 03:37:57.120 --> 03:37:59.760 to New England. I was just a Southern redneck who 4194 03:37:59.799 --> 03:38:02.079 was it used to a big territory like the WWE, 4195 03:38:02.399 --> 03:38:04.120 and he wanted to be with me so I wouldn't 4196 03:38:04.120 --> 03:38:06.920 feel awkward or nervous. After I assured said that I 4197 03:38:06.920 --> 03:38:09.120 would be there at the appointed time, I thanked him 4198 03:38:09.120 --> 03:38:12.159 and hung up. And you better be there at that 4199 03:38:12.399 --> 03:38:15.760 time that I gave you. If you're not there, Bruno, 4200 03:38:18.040 --> 03:38:19.440 there's no telling what I'll do to you. 4201 03:38:19.760 --> 03:38:24.319 Yes, God, there's no telling what I'll do to you. 4202 03:38:25.959 --> 03:38:26.559 Fuck the hell. 4203 03:38:27.280 --> 03:38:33.000 You've heard me in the night. You've heard me taking 4204 03:38:33.079 --> 03:38:35.319 my knife. I'm shaating it. 4205 03:38:35.719 --> 03:38:39.079 Yeah, let's not forget his lasting impression of being on 4206 03:38:39.159 --> 03:38:39.840 the road with Sid. 4207 03:38:40.440 --> 03:38:45.040 Alright, you know what I'm capable of, you know, damn well. 4208 03:38:45.200 --> 03:38:50.200 I'm not afraid to let my knife enter another human 4209 03:38:50.319 --> 03:39:00.639 body that I'm not afraid to shed the blood of 4210 03:39:00.840 --> 03:39:09.760 humanity on my white sheets. M Bruno, I will kill you. 4211 03:39:10.520 --> 03:39:14.840 Oh my god. That's a direct, direct threat of murder. 4212 03:39:15.040 --> 03:39:19.559 That is an absolute crime by any any read of 4213 03:39:19.600 --> 03:39:26.559 the situation. Because he's so done trying to talk around it. 4214 03:39:26.639 --> 03:39:28.000 It just goes brutal. I will kill you. 4215 03:39:29.840 --> 03:39:33.520 I will kill you. I will slit your throat if 4216 03:39:33.559 --> 03:39:36.879 you're not where I say you need to be on 4217 03:39:37.040 --> 03:39:40.319 the exact date, at the exact time, in the exact place. 4218 03:39:44.680 --> 03:39:50.399 Do you understand me? Right? Yeah, that's a good one. 4219 03:39:50.680 --> 03:39:51.120 That's good. 4220 03:39:52.920 --> 03:40:00.399 Well, I like to come on all ye JP's Whippleman lapsed, 4221 03:40:00.399 --> 03:40:03.319 Tarvy lapsed, Tarvin's. 4222 03:40:05.520 --> 03:40:12.680 Harvin's Whippleman. Oh yeah, I for I assured Sid that 4223 03:40:12.719 --> 03:40:14.360 I would be there at the appointed time. I thanked 4224 03:40:14.440 --> 03:40:16.120 him and hung up. I knew at that point that 4225 03:40:16.239 --> 03:40:18.280 if I could impress the people in the WWE, there 4226 03:40:18.399 --> 03:40:20.840 was a genuine chance that I would actually get a 4227 03:40:20.920 --> 03:40:24.200 starting date and a spot on the talent roster. I 4228 03:40:24.280 --> 03:40:26.639 had paid my dues, and I had learned a lot 4229 03:40:26.760 --> 03:40:30.399 during my twelve years of pounding the asphalt. I think 4230 03:40:30.399 --> 03:40:34.200 it's kind of the pavement and asphalt doesn't really pounding 4231 03:40:34.239 --> 03:40:38.280 the asphalt. I was finally being given the opportunity to 4232 03:40:38.360 --> 03:40:40.920 do something big, and I was determined that I wouldn't 4233 03:40:40.959 --> 03:40:43.680 mess up the opportunity. It's all like an offer, you pal, 4234 03:40:44.040 --> 03:40:46.639 That's right, It was an opportunity offer here pal exactly. 4235 03:40:46.920 --> 03:40:49.159 I knew I was a good manager, and I was 4236 03:40:49.239 --> 03:40:51.959 finally getting a chance to prove it. I thought it 4237 03:40:52.040 --> 03:40:54.600 was rather ironic that in twelve years of managing all 4238 03:40:54.639 --> 03:40:56.719 over the country, I never got a call from New York. 4239 03:40:57.360 --> 03:40:59.319 But after six or seven weeks of setting up the 4240 03:40:59.399 --> 03:41:03.000 ring and selling tickets, here comes the call. I left 4241 03:41:03.079 --> 03:41:07.280 French Lick and drove straight to Birmingham, Alabama. Arrived around 4242 03:41:07.280 --> 03:41:09.959 six o'clock in the morning. I checked into the same 4243 03:41:10.280 --> 03:41:13.680 hotel where Sid and I had stayed several years earlier. 4244 03:41:14.959 --> 03:41:18.079 I was so exhausted from the same one, the same one. 4245 03:41:18.200 --> 03:41:21.879 I didn't catch that that's hilarious. I was so exhausted 4246 03:41:21.920 --> 03:41:23.479 from the trip that it didn't matter where I was. 4247 03:41:23.559 --> 03:41:25.600 I just wanted to bed, to lie down on I 4248 03:41:25.639 --> 03:41:28.920 slept almost until noon, and after breakfast, I got on 4249 03:41:29.040 --> 03:41:31.760 I twenty east and headed for Atlanta. As as I drove, 4250 03:41:32.239 --> 03:41:35.399 I could say, I said a few prayers. I felt 4251 03:41:35.479 --> 03:41:37.680 I needed all the help I could get both with 4252 03:41:37.799 --> 03:41:40.879 Sid in my New England, Both with Sid and in 4253 03:41:40.959 --> 03:41:42.920 my New England trial. You know, I figured I think 4254 03:41:42.959 --> 03:41:46.000 of Harvey Whippelman, or you know Bruno as a guy 4255 03:41:46.440 --> 03:41:50.559 who it doesn't matter how many times he showers a day, 4256 03:41:51.280 --> 03:41:56.520 he still smells just wretched totally, you know, just can't 4257 03:41:56.559 --> 03:41:59.000 help it. He's just got he's got, you know, his 4258 03:41:59.200 --> 03:42:05.639 natural sense disgusting body odor. Like he could you know, 4259 03:42:05.719 --> 03:42:09.559 he could shower three times and he still smells like horseship. 4260 03:42:11.840 --> 03:42:12.159 Or you know. 4261 03:42:12.440 --> 03:42:14.600 He also he also still smells like he shop his pants. 4262 03:42:15.120 --> 03:42:15.280 You know. 4263 03:42:22.399 --> 03:42:25.239 Look, I'm not saying anything to counteract it. 4264 03:42:25.360 --> 03:42:27.360 So he take take from that, like you know, he 4265 03:42:27.479 --> 03:42:29.840 just got that that set like like like as if 4266 03:42:30.360 --> 03:42:33.360 he he he took a ship and just didn't wipe 4267 03:42:33.399 --> 03:42:34.559 well enough, and so there's. 4268 03:42:34.399 --> 03:42:37.440 Just like especially when he sweats in his ass. 4269 03:42:37.319 --> 03:42:43.399 Crack, yeah, exactly, and the hair is just like soak in. 4270 03:42:43.559 --> 03:42:48.840 The soak is not the word. I'm serious, man, I can't. 4271 03:42:53.479 --> 03:43:01.879 Oh my god. I felt I needed all the help 4272 03:43:01.920 --> 03:43:03.520 I could get, both with Sid and in my knowing. 4273 03:43:04.200 --> 03:43:09.440 As I approached Hot Lanta, as Michael Hayes would call it, Okay, 4274 03:43:10.280 --> 03:43:12.479 I stopped at a rest area tot call Sid's house. 4275 03:43:12.920 --> 03:43:14.520 I had never been to Atlanta, so I had no 4276 03:43:14.600 --> 03:43:18.479 idea of how to get there. A sure, a short 4277 03:43:18.520 --> 03:43:20.799 while after getting directions, can you imagine the direction that 4278 03:43:20.879 --> 03:43:24.879 Sid gave him. You just keep driving. You've gone too far. 4279 03:43:25.479 --> 03:43:28.680 If you drop too far, you'll know it. Oh my god, 4280 03:43:29.040 --> 03:43:37.000 how would I know it? You'll know? Okay, short whiles 4281 03:43:37.000 --> 03:43:38.920 were getting director, I pulled up in front of his 4282 03:43:39.040 --> 03:43:41.840 rental house and went inside. Sid was preparing to move 4283 03:43:42.040 --> 03:43:44.239 back to the Memphis area, which was one of the 4284 03:43:44.319 --> 03:43:46.879 greatest benefits of working for the WWE. They allowed you 4285 03:43:46.959 --> 03:43:49.559 to live where you wanted to live, not like WCW, 4286 03:43:49.719 --> 03:43:52.959 who demanded that you live in the company town. Sid 4287 03:43:53.040 --> 03:43:55.440 in Sabrina took me to the Lenox Square mall in 4288 03:43:55.520 --> 03:43:58.239 the Buckhead area of Atlanta and bought me a couple 4289 03:43:58.280 --> 03:44:01.000 of nice outfits. They didn't want me to walk into 4290 03:44:01.159 --> 03:44:04.959 the ww headquarters wearing my early nineteen eighties clothing. Sid 4291 03:44:05.079 --> 03:44:07.239 also took me to the New York Suit Exchange, a 4292 03:44:07.360 --> 03:44:13.079 high end haberd Habit hashery for businessmen, and bought me 4293 03:44:13.360 --> 03:44:15.840 a sear sucker suit that he wanted me to wear 4294 03:44:15.959 --> 03:44:19.440 during my tryout. He had the tailor hammet up so 4295 03:44:19.559 --> 03:44:22.399 it appeared to be about two sizes too small for me. 4296 03:44:23.280 --> 03:44:25.120 Since my debut was within a couple of months of 4297 03:44:25.200 --> 03:44:29.280 the Peewee Herman masturbation incident. SID made sure that my 4298 03:44:29.399 --> 03:44:31.520 bowt tie and shoes were similar to those worn by 4299 03:44:31.600 --> 03:44:36.639 p Yes, I do, I do, because it was like 4300 03:44:36.760 --> 03:44:40.280 that was like the the you know, I remember that 4301 03:44:40.360 --> 03:44:42.120 being a big deal because I was a big Peewee fan, 4302 03:44:43.479 --> 03:44:47.280 you know, watching watching the show as a kid. 4303 03:44:47.559 --> 03:44:49.719 Yeah, and so it was just kind of like, oh, man, 4304 03:44:49.879 --> 03:44:52.000 Like now he's a fucking punchline, right. 4305 03:44:52.280 --> 03:44:54.680 He's still like he's a he's a fucking degenerate too. 4306 03:44:55.200 --> 03:44:55.719 Oh my god. 4307 03:44:55.920 --> 03:44:57.719 Well they're fucking are so sick of losing him to 4308 03:44:57.760 --> 03:44:58.440 that kind of stuff. 4309 03:44:58.600 --> 03:44:58.760 Yep. 4310 03:44:59.200 --> 03:45:02.600 But I never thought of Harvey whippleman is. But it 4311 03:45:02.680 --> 03:45:04.000 makes sense now that he says that. 4312 03:45:04.559 --> 03:45:07.000 Yeah, it does, I mean because they do wear different outfits. 4313 03:45:07.040 --> 03:45:09.079 But the I can see that the shoes and they 4314 03:45:09.319 --> 03:45:13.159 and the bow tie totally being like that and some 4315 03:45:13.600 --> 03:45:15.639 SID paid for everything with the with the agreement that 4316 03:45:15.680 --> 03:45:17.760 I would pay him back in full when hope they 4317 03:45:17.799 --> 03:45:19.920 get hired by the w WE. If you don't get 4318 03:45:20.000 --> 03:45:24.399 him paid, if you don't get hired, I will kill you. 4319 03:45:24.959 --> 03:45:27.959 Right, that's the opposite, that's the alternative. 4320 03:45:28.319 --> 03:45:32.959 Because I'm not paying for your ship is a fucking 4321 03:45:33.079 --> 03:45:38.120 loan Wow, and then you're gonna loan me your life permanent. 4322 03:45:40.639 --> 03:45:41.680 Take that seer? Sucker? 4323 03:45:43.559 --> 03:45:44.280 Who's the sucker? 4324 03:45:44.399 --> 03:45:44.520 Now? 4325 03:45:45.840 --> 03:45:48.479 When the morning of our trip to New England ride 4326 03:45:48.559 --> 03:45:51.879 we got up early, ate breakfast? I get it, I 4327 03:45:51.959 --> 03:45:55.360 get it. But you ate breakfast every fucking morning. Okay, 4328 03:45:56.639 --> 03:46:01.360 every fucking story is him talking about breakfast. Jesus Christ. 4329 03:46:01.479 --> 03:46:06.479 Dude even said it. Now, you know the motelities about 4330 03:46:06.479 --> 03:46:08.239 getting breakfast driving Atlanta? 4331 03:46:08.639 --> 03:46:13.239 Get it, dude, You eat breakfast every day? That was brilliant, 4332 03:46:13.440 --> 03:46:14.200 you know, So do I. 4333 03:46:16.399 --> 03:46:20.440 Here be going on about it? Fucking I'm fucking you know, talking, 4334 03:46:20.520 --> 03:46:22.360 you know, writing it down somewhere and saying, hey, I 4335 03:46:23.559 --> 03:46:24.840 wouldn't hear me talking about it? 4336 03:46:25.479 --> 03:46:25.680 Yeah? 4337 03:46:25.760 --> 03:46:28.959 I guess what. I ate breakfast again this morning, keeping 4338 03:46:29.000 --> 03:46:32.840 that record alive. Every day so far forty three years, 4339 03:46:33.520 --> 03:46:40.440 and every day I capt fucking breakfast. I went to 4340 03:46:40.559 --> 03:46:43.319 the Hartsfield Atlanta International Airport. I don't need the whole 4341 03:46:43.360 --> 03:46:46.319 fucking name either, I get it. 4342 03:46:46.399 --> 03:46:49.159 You went to the airport wrestlers and their fucking landmarks. 4343 03:46:49.200 --> 03:46:49.360 I know. 4344 03:46:50.159 --> 03:46:53.440 Our flight was uneventful and we landed as scheduled in Boston, 4345 03:46:54.200 --> 03:46:56.760 which from which we made the short drive to Wooster. 4346 03:46:58.639 --> 03:46:59.959 I mean, I guess, I guess for them it would 4347 03:47:00.040 --> 03:47:01.559 be like short. I'm say it's not short. 4348 03:47:01.840 --> 03:47:02.879 Don't feel short to me. 4349 03:47:03.760 --> 03:47:06.760 Yeah, you know, it's like it's like it's like forty 4350 03:47:06.799 --> 03:47:09.360 five minutes. Some of that could be longer. Yeah, I 4351 03:47:09.399 --> 03:47:11.120 think it's like forty five minutes to an hour, isn't it. 4352 03:47:11.399 --> 03:47:13.719 Yeah, you know you hit rush hour two hours. 4353 03:47:14.000 --> 03:47:18.079 Yeah, exactly. If you're walking, it takes like, well, yeah exactly. 4354 03:47:18.159 --> 03:47:21.440 He's not considering how long it takes to walk from 4355 03:47:21.479 --> 03:47:24.280 the airport to the satellite city. 4356 03:47:24.280 --> 03:47:28.000 Whale and Mercy, You're walking everywhere with your long strides. 4357 03:47:31.680 --> 03:47:35.959 Whaling Mercy sounds like a Boston law firm. W h 4358 03:47:36.040 --> 03:47:40.040 e l A Whaling Mercy and the associates, Billy Whalen. 4359 03:47:40.319 --> 03:47:41.600 How would high school Billy. 4360 03:47:42.920 --> 03:47:56.399 Billy wayama. When we arrived at the Worcester Centrum Center, 4361 03:47:56.520 --> 03:48:00.879 the arena, I saw wrestlers everywhere. I was happy to 4362 03:48:00.920 --> 03:48:02.840 see some of the guys that I hadn't seen in years. 4363 03:48:02.920 --> 03:48:06.319 That's crazy, the guys that I hadn't seen. Okay, it's 4364 03:48:06.399 --> 03:48:08.719 crazy that he saw wrestlers everywhere at the wrestling show, 4365 03:48:08.760 --> 03:48:12.159 and it's fucking blowing my mind. I can't believe us 4366 03:48:12.200 --> 03:48:17.399 all wrestlers right as they came around, guys I'd seen before, 4367 03:48:23.360 --> 03:48:26.360 such as the Bushwhackers, tug Boat, Fred Otman, Jimmy Hart, 4368 03:48:26.440 --> 03:48:30.719 Jimmy Snook, and Marty Jeannetti. I guess ye he was. 4369 03:48:31.120 --> 03:48:34.079 The familiarity with those guys helped ease the tension I 4370 03:48:34.120 --> 03:48:36.639 felt at being in a new environment. I was so 4371 03:48:36.840 --> 03:48:39.479 pleased to meet a lot of guys whose paths I 4372 03:48:39.559 --> 03:48:44.360 had never crossed. One of the first WW executives I 4373 03:48:44.479 --> 03:48:47.280 met that day was Pat Patterson. I've spoken to Pat 4374 03:48:47.319 --> 03:48:49.120 many times over the years as I tried to work 4375 03:48:49.200 --> 03:48:51.479 my way into the company, but that was the first 4376 03:48:51.520 --> 03:48:54.760 time we had actually met in person. Pat was very 4377 03:48:54.840 --> 03:48:57.319 friendly and easy going, and he made me feel right 4378 03:48:57.399 --> 03:49:00.879 at home. Pat was and is a great guy, and 4379 03:49:00.959 --> 03:49:03.959 to this day we share a great friendship. He is 4380 03:49:04.040 --> 03:49:06.280 also a tremendous businessman who has a real gift for 4381 03:49:06.360 --> 03:49:09.239 understanding the psychology of our business. So how does that 4382 03:49:09.280 --> 03:49:12.120 make him a tremendous businessman if he has a real 4383 03:49:12.120 --> 03:49:14.559 gift for understanding the psychology of our business? He's a 4384 03:49:14.600 --> 03:49:21.079 fucking horrible writer. His sentences structure is awful. He's in 4385 03:49:21.120 --> 03:49:24.399 the same words, multiple times in the same sentence, it's awful. 4386 03:49:26.479 --> 03:49:30.600 As the day went along, I met many other executives, executives, bosses, 4387 03:49:30.639 --> 03:49:38.959 and agents. Hogan, however, walked right over to me and 4388 03:49:39.079 --> 03:49:42.559 extended his hand. To my surprise, he said, Hey, Downtown Bruno, 4389 03:49:43.280 --> 03:49:46.520 I'll watched you give the King hell in Memphis for 4390 03:49:46.559 --> 03:49:48.799 a long time. I guess it's my turn now. 4391 03:49:48.920 --> 03:49:49.079 Huh. 4392 03:49:49.959 --> 03:49:52.360 That simple comment made me feel like a million dollars. 4393 03:49:53.120 --> 03:49:55.079 Here was the number one guy in the in the 4394 03:49:55.239 --> 03:49:57.360 entire wrestling business, and not only did he know who 4395 03:49:57.440 --> 03:49:59.479 I was, but he took the time to make me 4396 03:49:59.520 --> 03:50:03.159 feel well come in his world. Hogan won. Hogan was 4397 03:50:03.440 --> 03:50:07.840 and is a true class act, and he will always 4398 03:50:08.000 --> 03:50:12.760 have my respect and admiration. When Beefcake saw Hogan speak 4399 03:50:12.799 --> 03:50:14.840 to me, he suddenly managed to find the time to 4400 03:50:14.879 --> 03:50:22.840 shake my hand. Jesus Christ, what a transparent, self absorbed asshole, Beefcake. 4401 03:50:24.639 --> 03:50:31.559 Nobody ever respected you, and nobody ever will. 4402 03:50:32.200 --> 03:50:34.760 Downtown Bruno's book, I. 4403 03:50:34.799 --> 03:50:39.000 Hope you realize that you can only get you can 4404 03:50:39.079 --> 03:50:42.719 go only you can only get so far by riding 4405 03:50:42.840 --> 03:50:46.600 somebody else's coattail, and sooner or later you have to 4406 03:50:46.680 --> 03:50:49.559 make your own way. You know it's saying you like, 4407 03:50:49.639 --> 03:50:52.559 he's not even talking about him. He's like directly attacking 4408 03:50:52.639 --> 03:50:59.120 him totally. You never did and you never will. Finally, 4409 03:50:59.159 --> 03:51:01.200 about six o'clock in the evening, I was brought to 4410 03:51:01.920 --> 03:51:05.600 brought in to meet the quote Emperor. I was petrified, 4411 03:51:05.639 --> 03:51:07.440 but I soon but I found out in short order 4412 03:51:07.559 --> 03:51:10.479 that there was no reason at all to feel that way. 4413 03:51:11.200 --> 03:51:15.360 Vince seemed genuinely happy to see me. Unlike a marginally 4414 03:51:15.440 --> 03:51:21.840 successful dog turd like beefcake shit, a truly successful individual 4415 03:51:23.000 --> 03:51:30.200 like Vince doesn't put on airs. Vince was genuine and 4416 03:51:30.319 --> 03:51:32.840 real man, that's what you thought. That was my first 4417 03:51:32.879 --> 03:51:35.639 impression of him, and today, eighteen years later, I have 4418 03:51:36.239 --> 03:51:41.040 the exact same impression of him. Vince was and is 4419 03:51:41.959 --> 03:51:45.159 a great guy. He really made me feel as though 4420 03:51:45.200 --> 03:51:48.079 I was doing him a favor by being there. He 4421 03:51:48.239 --> 03:51:50.120 thanked me for coming to Worcester and probably told me 4422 03:51:50.239 --> 03:51:52.639 that what he wanted to see in my tryout to 4423 03:51:52.719 --> 03:51:55.840 sum it up. He loved my deep, rough, semi redneck 4424 03:51:56.079 --> 03:51:59.280 Mississippi accent. He wanted me to be the toughest, meanest 4425 03:51:59.319 --> 03:52:01.840 little bastard on the face of the earth. He wanted 4426 03:52:01.879 --> 03:52:04.520 me to act like I was ten feet tall and bulletproof. 4427 03:52:05.760 --> 03:52:09.239 In Worcester, I had been introduced to as Downtown Bruno, 4428 03:52:09.879 --> 03:52:12.079 but on the following night in Portland, Vince told Jean 4429 03:52:12.159 --> 03:52:14.559 to come up with a different name. He wanted something 4430 03:52:14.680 --> 03:52:17.680 catchy and unusual. Bruno is my real name, and I 4431 03:52:17.719 --> 03:52:19.920 had been Downtown Bruno for most of my career, but 4432 03:52:20.280 --> 03:52:21.959 I was willing to be called anything if it got 4433 03:52:22.000 --> 03:52:27.479 me a starting date. When Gene announced me as Harvey Herman, Yes, 4434 03:52:27.719 --> 03:52:34.440 Harvey Herman, Harvey Herman, I went right, Oh, skip ahead, 4435 03:52:34.799 --> 03:52:38.120 Oh well, I wanted to know. Later that evening they 4436 03:52:38.280 --> 03:52:40.840 had to make some adjustments of cameras and lights, so 4437 03:52:40.920 --> 03:52:42.440 there was going to be a ten minute gap of 4438 03:52:42.520 --> 03:52:45.120 dead air time. I was told they would normally throw 4439 03:52:45.200 --> 03:52:47.000 a dark match into the ring to keep the audience 4440 03:52:47.000 --> 03:52:50.200 from getting restless. They actually had two jobbers standing at 4441 03:52:50.239 --> 03:52:52.159 the gorilla position ready to go into the ring to 4442 03:52:52.239 --> 03:52:54.719 kill time, and Vince said, no, no, send Harvey out there, 4443 03:52:55.639 --> 03:52:58.520 do a little ad libbing, hit the ring, take the 4444 03:52:58.600 --> 03:53:01.440 microphone away from Howard Friinkle, let him see how let's 4445 03:53:01.440 --> 03:53:03.879 see how much heat you can get. We'll cue you 4446 03:53:03.879 --> 03:53:06.680 when it's time to come back. As I was about 4447 03:53:06.719 --> 03:53:11.079 to walk through the curtain. Vince, stop me, Harvey have 4448 03:53:11.159 --> 03:53:15.639 a last name, he asked aloud to nobody in particular Herman. 4449 03:53:17.040 --> 03:53:23.040 Herman replied, Carla montsou No, no, no, that's too closely 4450 03:53:23.159 --> 03:53:25.959 to pee wee Herman. What else can we come up with? 4451 03:53:27.600 --> 03:53:33.159 How about Winny Winnie? Winny? Oh Whipple? Sorry it looked 4452 03:53:33.200 --> 03:53:37.280 like Winnie. I had to scroll down. How about Whinny Whipple, 4453 03:53:39.520 --> 03:53:43.280 asked Gene Oakland, said Vince, and the newly born Harvey 4454 03:53:43.360 --> 03:53:48.120 Whipple went out to cut a promo. When I asked 4455 03:53:48.159 --> 03:53:50.799 Pat who I would be managing, he told me that 4456 03:53:50.840 --> 03:53:54.040 I would be with a guy named big Bully Busick. 4457 03:53:55.479 --> 03:53:58.680 Whippleman came from a misstatement by Gene Oakland, and the 4458 03:53:59.040 --> 03:54:02.360 name stuck. My new charge to manage was the Warlord 4459 03:54:02.440 --> 03:54:05.319 Terry Sapinski, who up to that time had been managed 4460 03:54:05.319 --> 03:54:05.840 by Slick. 4461 03:54:06.200 --> 03:54:09.239 Now quickly on Busick. You remember him, of course, right, yeah, yeah, 4462 03:54:09.520 --> 03:54:12.280 short lived run. He was a friend of SIDS and 4463 03:54:12.360 --> 03:54:14.920 a workout partner of SIDS and somebody else that Sid 4464 03:54:15.000 --> 03:54:17.159 got into the company. But that kind of fell apart. 4465 03:54:17.319 --> 03:54:20.239 Abusic kind of drinking problem, first of all, and he 4466 03:54:20.559 --> 03:54:22.920 blew it when he was sent to the ring to 4467 03:54:23.000 --> 03:54:24.719 do his usual thing where he would go up to 4468 03:54:24.719 --> 03:54:26.959 the kid, the planted kid in the audience and pop 4469 03:54:27.040 --> 03:54:28.280 their balloon with his cigar. 4470 03:54:29.360 --> 03:54:29.559 Yep. 4471 03:54:29.639 --> 03:54:30.959 But he went to the rink one night on a 4472 03:54:31.000 --> 03:54:34.799 television taping and totally forgot to do that. And that 4473 03:54:34.959 --> 03:54:36.559 was the end of Big Bully Busic in the world. 4474 03:54:36.920 --> 03:54:37.440 That's all it took. 4475 03:54:38.079 --> 03:54:39.520 It's now brunos without a charge. 4476 03:54:41.799 --> 03:54:49.879 Yes he is umm oh to my delight, I moved 4477 03:54:49.920 --> 03:54:52.600 up to the next level, as they say, on January 4478 03:54:52.639 --> 03:54:55.760 twenty second, nineteen ninety two, at the TV in Lubbock, 4479 03:54:55.840 --> 03:54:59.159 Texas lo and behold the new top heel in the WWE. 4480 03:54:59.719 --> 03:55:03.760 Justice as SID was called at that time, had successfully 4481 03:55:04.000 --> 03:55:06.760 lobbied Vince to let me be as manager. For all 4482 03:55:06.760 --> 03:55:09.559 intents and purposes, I was as high up the food 4483 03:55:09.680 --> 03:55:12.600 chain as a heel manager could get. I went out 4484 03:55:12.639 --> 03:55:14.600 on the road every day, and I was finally making 4485 03:55:14.719 --> 03:55:19.280 quote road money. Unfortunately, everything didn't work out as well 4486 03:55:19.319 --> 03:55:21.319 as it should have. Sid and I were not in 4487 03:55:21.360 --> 03:55:23.399 the same type of situation as we had been years 4488 03:55:23.440 --> 03:55:26.040 before in the CWF, and our friendship suffered a lot 4489 03:55:26.120 --> 03:55:29.479 due to that. It wasn't as an easy time for 4490 03:55:29.600 --> 03:55:33.520 me at all. The money was great and the spotlight 4491 03:55:33.680 --> 03:55:36.559 was hot, but the stress was almost unbearable. Let's go. 4492 03:55:37.200 --> 03:55:39.120 Sid and I have always been close, and today, as 4493 03:55:39.159 --> 03:55:41.040 I write this, we are closer than ever. But during 4494 03:55:41.360 --> 03:55:46.159 the period in which I managed him, we really fell apart. Ultimately, 4495 03:55:46.239 --> 03:55:48.520 our friendship came to an end for more than two years. 4496 03:55:48.639 --> 03:55:51.000 It was sad. Sid was on top of the world, 4497 03:55:51.040 --> 03:55:53.280 and he gets all the credit for pulling me right 4498 03:55:53.399 --> 03:55:56.520 up beside him. But it was an ugly situation because 4499 03:55:56.559 --> 03:55:59.920 for some reason Sid was in a very angry mood 4500 03:56:00.000 --> 03:56:03.920 food for his entire push, and I had to bear 4501 03:56:04.120 --> 03:56:05.479 the brunt of his rage. 4502 03:56:05.639 --> 03:56:09.760 Can imagine what would cause him to be in such 4503 03:56:09.760 --> 03:56:12.399 a bad mood as WWF crackdown. 4504 03:56:13.680 --> 03:56:16.959 On certain substances. It wasn't easy and it wasn't worth it. 4505 03:56:17.040 --> 03:56:21.559 No matter what I was being paid. Sid literally put 4506 03:56:21.639 --> 03:56:24.159 me through hell. He would make me get up at 4507 03:56:24.200 --> 03:56:26.120 six o'clock in the morning to go to the gym 4508 03:56:26.239 --> 03:56:29.639 with him, where I would sit and sit and sit. 4509 03:56:29.879 --> 03:56:30.040 Oh. 4510 03:56:30.920 --> 03:56:33.280 I wouldn't have minded so much if Sid didn't constantly 4511 03:56:33.360 --> 03:56:36.120 tell me how I embarrassed him with my way of dressing, 4512 03:56:36.600 --> 03:56:40.440 my accent, my way of conducting myself, et cetera. Big 4513 03:56:40.559 --> 03:56:42.680 Sid cut me down for everything I did at the ring, 4514 03:56:43.680 --> 03:56:46.639 everything I said in the dressing room, and every time 4515 03:56:46.719 --> 03:56:50.479 I sneezed. It was like the old CWF days, magnified 4516 03:56:50.520 --> 03:56:53.159 by fifty. He was really rough on me. On the 4517 03:56:53.239 --> 03:56:56.000 other hand, Sid was rough on himself. He got angrier 4518 03:56:56.079 --> 03:56:58.959 and angrier with every day that went by. It was 4519 03:56:59.000 --> 03:57:01.319 as if he was mad at the world. I didn't 4520 03:57:01.399 --> 03:57:04.040 understand it. He was getting the push of his life. 4521 03:57:07.079 --> 03:57:10.239 They were grooming him to be Hulk Hogan's opponent in 4522 03:57:10.319 --> 03:57:14.120 the main event WrestleMania eight. He was making tremendous money, 4523 03:57:14.120 --> 03:57:17.959 and yet for some inexplicable reason, he wasn't happy. Imagine 4524 03:57:18.319 --> 03:57:20.440 and if you're part of Sid's life, when Sid is 4525 03:57:20.520 --> 03:57:23.479 not happy, nobody's happy. 4526 03:57:23.600 --> 03:57:26.719 Let's fucking get it all right. Let's speak that truth. 4527 03:57:28.680 --> 03:57:29.639 Let's speak that truth. 4528 03:57:30.600 --> 03:57:31.000 Mm hmm. 4529 03:57:32.680 --> 03:57:36.600 Harvey Whippleman, Harvin's is here. 4530 03:57:41.200 --> 03:57:46.680 We know who that is, and we know who this is. 4531 03:57:46.879 --> 03:57:47.799 Harvey Whippleman. 4532 03:57:56.559 --> 03:58:09.440 Know that man at a man, not wrong, not bad. 4533 03:58:12.319 --> 03:58:16.879 That justice rules the world, and he love you, idiot. 4534 03:58:17.120 --> 03:58:17.680 Not a war. 4535 03:58:19.639 --> 03:58:20.840 He is a big man. 4536 03:58:20.959 --> 03:58:22.840 McManus. 4537 03:58:24.840 --> 03:58:31.879 You're gonna let a hordle hoop it up if you would, hey, if. 4538 03:58:31.760 --> 03:58:34.719 You loize, If he's quiet a second, I'll have. 4539 03:58:34.959 --> 03:58:46.079 Something to say, don't say it and they are Hello, Yes, 4540 03:58:48.159 --> 03:58:51.600 there's a little such crater sec letter the other day. 4541 03:58:52.600 --> 03:58:58.079 What oh did this the other day? And it really 4542 03:58:58.079 --> 03:58:59.440 breaks my heart's sad. 4543 03:59:00.600 --> 03:59:03.600 I've been a hole, Tonio said. 4544 03:59:03.680 --> 03:59:05.280 Todd goes on to win. 4545 03:59:06.559 --> 03:59:07.680 Me and my friends. 4546 03:59:09.280 --> 03:59:10.719 They want to know, wa. 4547 03:59:11.959 --> 03:59:14.520 I turned my back on a hole Kking. 4548 03:59:17.600 --> 03:59:20.319 Anyone understands he because they're stupid too. 4549 03:59:22.840 --> 03:59:25.959 How can you destroy food? 4550 03:59:26.079 --> 03:59:31.559 Is the barber beefcake? And destroy the barber shot when 4551 03:59:31.639 --> 03:59:33.120 you know you were going to hit him in the 4552 03:59:33.239 --> 03:59:35.479 States and the States was already hurt. 4553 03:59:38.079 --> 03:59:42.399 As the the chid themis a t D. 4554 03:59:44.440 --> 03:59:46.719 And as you can't be a friend. 4555 03:59:48.040 --> 03:59:58.040 To the Holster, you can't read my friend either. We'll 4556 03:59:58.120 --> 03:59:58.840 see as well. 4557 03:59:59.040 --> 04:00:04.760 Simple if you're a friend of whole co again, you're 4558 04:00:04.920 --> 04:00:06.200 no friend of mine. 4559 04:00:08.559 --> 04:00:10.559 I don't know if this guy has any friends at all. 4560 04:00:13.200 --> 04:00:16.840 Stick around it's a la fan wrestling podcast. 4561 04:00:30.200 --> 04:00:34.120 He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnio 4562 04:00:34.520 --> 04:00:35.520 and Jo. 4563 04:00:37.360 --> 04:00:39.040 I mean, we can't let this go and remark that 4564 04:00:39.239 --> 04:00:42.360 music oh music's fantastic. What's great about it. 4565 04:00:43.319 --> 04:00:46.479 It's got a driving beat, you know, it's very heavy. 4566 04:01:08.719 --> 04:01:09.280 It's awesome. 4567 04:01:09.719 --> 04:01:13.040 It's like one of the best themes they've ever done. Yeah, certainly, 4568 04:01:13.239 --> 04:01:15.760 certainly of that era too, without a doubt. We'll play 4569 04:01:15.799 --> 04:01:16.959 it when he comes out of wrestling in the eight 4570 04:01:17.040 --> 04:01:21.520 Holy shit. Oh yeah, it's like here comes fucking an 4571 04:01:21.559 --> 04:01:23.879 android from the from the nether world here and he's 4572 04:01:23.920 --> 04:01:26.840 stomping and he's gonna kill somebody. Yep, you heard the 4573 04:01:26.920 --> 04:01:30.399 references to the British Beefcake segment. You know, certainly Sid 4574 04:01:30.520 --> 04:01:33.440 with no lack of unflattering words, much like a Bruno 4575 04:01:33.559 --> 04:01:35.719 and the book there for Beefcake and it's a shoot. 4576 04:01:35.760 --> 04:01:38.799 Interviews definitely saw a Beefcakes just a shit stir and 4577 04:01:38.840 --> 04:01:41.239 someone who had his nose up Hogan's ass. We'll turn 4578 04:01:41.280 --> 04:01:44.000 a Beefcakes book quickly to talk about that moment. Another 4579 04:01:44.120 --> 04:01:46.079 fucking classic Sid thing where he ends up with the 4580 04:01:46.159 --> 04:01:49.200 shaving cream all over his face like a moron. You know, 4581 04:01:49.280 --> 04:01:51.159 he somehow ends up looking like a fool from when 4582 04:01:51.200 --> 04:01:55.000 he's trying to be at his most intimidating. The final 4583 04:01:55.079 --> 04:01:57.360 barbershop segment took place. Yeah, Let's not forget by the way, 4584 04:01:57.639 --> 04:01:59.600 Sid tearing apart the barber shop is because they were 4585 04:01:59.639 --> 04:02:02.559 done with the segment yep, and at the end didn't 4586 04:02:02.600 --> 04:02:05.440 have a problem destroying the set. The final barbershop segment 4587 04:02:05.479 --> 04:02:08.000 took place in February nineteen ninety two. The newly turned 4588 04:02:08.040 --> 04:02:10.280 Heels said Justice attacked me and destroyed the set, building 4589 04:02:10.319 --> 04:02:12.959 heat for his feud with Hulcog and Sid was horribly 4590 04:02:13.040 --> 04:02:15.399 embarrassing on that last barber shop. So this is a 4591 04:02:15.639 --> 04:02:18.639 mutual feelings here between. I was supposed to cower away 4592 04:02:18.639 --> 04:02:20.559 from him, and he went nuts. The producer said, don't 4593 04:02:20.639 --> 04:02:22.200 challenge him. We want him to look like a monster. 4594 04:02:22.479 --> 04:02:23.959 The thing about it was he was looking like a 4595 04:02:24.040 --> 04:02:27.920 monster at my expense. Yeah, because you don't have an expense, Burtist, right, exactly. 4596 04:02:27.920 --> 04:02:30.079 No one gives a fun I mean, listen, your expense 4597 04:02:30.159 --> 04:02:32.239 is your face. Burtist thinks he's gonna get over. No, 4598 04:02:32.959 --> 04:02:35.280 in this case, I wasn't just helping to get him 4599 04:02:35.280 --> 04:02:37.000 over for his upcoming match with Hulkstra. I was pretty 4600 04:02:37.079 --> 04:02:38.959 much just jobbing out. Believe me, if I could have 4601 04:02:39.079 --> 04:02:40.920 changed something, I would I would have. If I had 4602 04:02:40.920 --> 04:02:42.440 tried to look good, I would have lost my job. 4603 04:02:42.639 --> 04:02:45.399 Maybe I should have. My contract was up anyhow, And 4604 04:02:45.520 --> 04:02:47.399 the whole point to destroying the set was because they 4605 04:02:47.479 --> 04:02:49.120 knew I was off to do a movie soon. This 4606 04:02:49.280 --> 04:02:51.680 is how they wrote me off of television. That must 4607 04:02:51.680 --> 04:02:51.879 have been. 4608 04:02:52.120 --> 04:02:56.040 I mean, I mean, quote unquote movie it's Thundering Paradise, right, No, 4609 04:02:56.479 --> 04:02:58.200 it's it's. 4610 04:03:00.760 --> 04:03:00.799 That. 4611 04:03:01.120 --> 04:03:03.879 That's not mister Nanny. He's in that movie is the Zodiac. 4612 04:03:04.200 --> 04:03:06.920 He's the Zodiac before he's the Zodiac. But like I mean, 4613 04:03:08.159 --> 04:03:10.040 I mean, I guess because Hogan's in the movie, you're 4614 04:03:10.079 --> 04:03:11.840 gonna be gone and you're going to be his stunt 4615 04:03:11.920 --> 04:03:14.799 pitch and whatever. But like, you're not really in the movie, right, 4616 04:03:16.399 --> 04:03:17.559 I mean, you're just getting paid. 4617 04:03:17.559 --> 04:03:19.639 You're not going away to have a movie career exactly. 4618 04:03:19.680 --> 04:03:22.280 Yeah, you're going You're getting paid to just you know, 4619 04:03:23.639 --> 04:03:26.719 lick Hogan's balls. I don't hold anything really against it. 4620 04:03:26.840 --> 04:03:28.280 Of course, he was just doing his job. I just 4621 04:03:28.319 --> 04:03:30.520 think it was a little bigger than it needed to be. 4622 04:03:30.879 --> 04:03:32.399 After this, I took off about a year or so. 4623 04:03:32.559 --> 04:03:34.520 That is when we went to film. Like you said, there, 4624 04:03:34.920 --> 04:03:38.799 mister Nanny. So that is a beefcake's position and all 4625 04:03:38.840 --> 04:03:41.479 this another victim along the way in the campaign to 4626 04:03:41.520 --> 04:03:45.159 set up SID for WrestleMania against Hogan was Virgil. Of course, 4627 04:03:45.239 --> 04:03:47.479 we talked about this during our Virgil tribute show and 4628 04:03:48.520 --> 04:03:51.120 how impactful it was to us as young viewers to 4629 04:03:51.239 --> 04:03:54.639 watch SID, you know, expose the metal buckling smash Virgil's 4630 04:03:54.639 --> 04:03:55.920 face into it to where he had to wear a 4631 04:03:56.040 --> 04:03:59.840 nose you know, a face mask thing whatever you call 4632 04:03:59.879 --> 04:04:04.479 the those things brace basically, yeah, like the face protector on. 4633 04:04:04.600 --> 04:04:08.840 His face for weeks. And you know, perhaps even more interestingly, 4634 04:04:08.920 --> 04:04:12.479 in the Hannibal shoot interview he did, you know, he 4635 04:04:12.639 --> 04:04:16.239 was asked about people that he's run across in the business. 4636 04:04:16.520 --> 04:04:19.280 SID was and they mentioned Lenny Poffo, who of course 4637 04:04:19.440 --> 04:04:22.239 was there with Randy when he introduced him into the business. 4638 04:04:22.479 --> 04:04:25.799 And then Virgil comes up as well for reasons that well, 4639 04:04:25.799 --> 04:04:27.559 I'm not going to give you time to connect the dots. 4640 04:04:27.559 --> 04:04:28.280 I just have to listen. 4641 04:04:28.719 --> 04:04:31.200 Well, you know, Devin, all the stories are all going 4642 04:04:31.280 --> 04:04:33.639 to come back to one story, and that's him able 4643 04:04:33.719 --> 04:04:35.239 to perform moreal sex on myself. 4644 04:04:35.600 --> 04:04:38.399 I honestly say I never saw it. I did see 4645 04:04:39.159 --> 04:04:42.920 Virgil do that one time. He actually virtual got fired 4646 04:04:43.000 --> 04:04:44.360 for doing that. He was doing. 4647 04:04:44.760 --> 04:04:47.479 He was worked in Memphis Territory, and he did it 4648 04:04:47.520 --> 04:04:49.719 in front of Jerry Jarrett and they fired him right away. 4649 04:04:50.280 --> 04:04:53.239 So that doesn't always help you out. Speaking of Jerry 4650 04:04:53.399 --> 04:04:55.319 Jerry and what did you take of him. 4651 04:04:55.360 --> 04:04:56.440 Doesn't always help you, Bob. 4652 04:04:58.239 --> 04:05:01.239 I mean it should. Honestly, you know, if you can 4653 04:05:01.280 --> 04:05:04.639 blow yourself, you should, Uh you know, I should, you 4654 04:05:04.680 --> 04:05:08.239 should be your gimmick, talk about doing the job. I 4655 04:05:08.319 --> 04:05:11.239 mean the way Sid tells that story is also so Sid. 4656 04:05:11.319 --> 04:05:13.200 You know, yeah, well you know he, you know, a 4657 04:05:13.280 --> 04:05:15.600 performer sex on himself and he laughs a little bit 4658 04:05:15.600 --> 04:05:18.520 at the end. Yeah, he delivers a matter of fact 4659 04:05:18.600 --> 04:05:23.760 like yeah, with the same intonation. It's like, you know, 4660 04:05:23.920 --> 04:05:28.600 this is the thing that really happens, and you know exactly. 4661 04:05:29.879 --> 04:05:30.840 He's so weird. 4662 04:05:30.920 --> 04:05:32.079 He's such a weird guy. 4663 04:05:32.520 --> 04:05:35.559 Yeah, he's a fucking he is weird. Weird is is 4664 04:05:36.799 --> 04:05:41.920 you know? Uh you know, I don't I don't, I don't. 4665 04:05:42.799 --> 04:05:46.280 I don't generally generally like that word, because you know, 4666 04:05:46.440 --> 04:05:51.360 we're all weird. But he's fucking weird. Man, He's a 4667 04:05:51.479 --> 04:05:52.520 bizarre individual. 4668 04:05:52.680 --> 04:05:55.799 It's fine, it's fine. Stop falling for the gimmick. 4669 04:05:55.879 --> 04:05:58.879 I watch him, I watch him get see. I didn't see. 4670 04:05:58.920 --> 04:06:01.600 I didn't see Brutus give himself oral sex, but I 4671 04:06:01.680 --> 04:06:02.680 did see Virgil do it. 4672 04:06:03.639 --> 04:06:04.559 He said about Lannie. 4673 04:06:05.399 --> 04:06:11.399 I've seen virgiline, so I've seen. I'm seeing Virgil blow himself. 4674 04:06:14.040 --> 04:06:16.360 The fuck's happening. And you know, here's the thing. 4675 04:06:16.520 --> 04:06:19.000 Yeah, Jerry Jarrett did get mad about it. But you know, 4676 04:06:20.040 --> 04:06:21.799 it's one thing to just do it to show the 4677 04:06:21.879 --> 04:06:23.920 boys you can do it as a party trick, you know, haha, 4678 04:06:24.000 --> 04:06:26.079 we have a good laugh. But why did Virgil have 4679 04:06:26.120 --> 04:06:27.239 to keep going until he came? 4680 04:06:29.399 --> 04:06:32.600 I want to tell you something. I saw Virgil go 4681 04:06:32.760 --> 04:06:36.239 at it, and I saw him blows in his mouth 4682 04:06:40.280 --> 04:06:46.600 go at it. So it's all fine, is what we're 4683 04:06:46.719 --> 04:06:50.799 trying to behavior. It's the way people should act, honestly. 4684 04:06:50.920 --> 04:06:52.120 If you can, you should show it. 4685 04:06:53.040 --> 04:06:56.399 So, you know, I say, what's what's left unspoken here? 4686 04:06:56.440 --> 04:06:58.840 What what might be a fat X factor that Bruno 4687 04:06:58.959 --> 04:07:00.879 is kind of intimating there that it would change Sid's 4688 04:07:00.879 --> 04:07:03.360 moods so much, Well, let's not forget that. In November 4689 04:07:03.360 --> 04:07:06.479 of nineteen ninety one, according to the Observer, Vince McMahon 4690 04:07:06.520 --> 04:07:08.520 told Dave Meltzer that forty nine percent of the roster 4691 04:07:08.719 --> 04:07:12.959 failed the initial round of steroid tests that were administered. 4692 04:07:13.000 --> 04:07:17.120 CRUGT tests for illicited substances are steroids, and you know, 4693 04:07:18.079 --> 04:07:20.559 color me a cynic, but you can't just as well 4694 04:07:20.920 --> 04:07:24.520 send everybody home is set half your roster home when 4695 04:07:24.680 --> 04:07:27.200 they come back with shit in their system. So you 4696 04:07:27.520 --> 04:07:31.200 perhaps then develop this get out of jail free card 4697 04:07:31.239 --> 04:07:33.879 where everyone just has to show decreasing levels and that's 4698 04:07:33.879 --> 04:07:36.280 fair to everybody. I'm not saying it's unfair of a system, 4699 04:07:36.360 --> 04:07:38.399 but I don't know. If that number was twenty five percent, 4700 04:07:38.440 --> 04:07:40.799 maybe he would have made examples out of people right 4701 04:07:40.879 --> 04:07:44.360 away instead of waiting. Well, you know, you could also 4702 04:07:44.440 --> 04:07:46.760 petition them, as you can always do in any drug 4703 04:07:46.799 --> 04:07:49.440 testing program, to say, hey, the stuff I'm taking, even 4704 04:07:49.440 --> 04:07:51.719 though it's kind of against policy, I have a doctor's note, 4705 04:07:51.799 --> 04:07:54.520 right boss, that's right, of course, and you know what 4706 04:07:54.559 --> 04:07:56.440 I'm taking. I'm disclosing to you what I'm taking. And 4707 04:07:56.520 --> 04:08:00.399 I think sid really thought that if he, if he 4708 04:08:00.520 --> 04:08:02.600 was forthright in disclosing things, that he was going to 4709 04:08:02.639 --> 04:08:05.840 be allowed through I'm sure gimmick doctors and stuff to 4710 04:08:05.959 --> 04:08:09.040 keep gearing up. Perhaps it's perhaps it's a little wink 4711 04:08:09.120 --> 04:08:11.680 wink and a nudge nudge that when Harvey Whippleman comes 4712 04:08:11.719 --> 04:08:13.639 into ninety two to manage him, he's a doctor with 4713 04:08:13.719 --> 04:08:15.239 a doctor's bag like a George's. 4714 04:08:15.239 --> 04:08:20.120 The horrion doctor is doctor Bruno. He's got a license doctor. 4715 04:08:20.280 --> 04:08:23.520 Of course, he's got a doctor at his side, and 4716 04:08:23.680 --> 04:08:26.360 so this becomes part of the of the cid. 4717 04:08:26.280 --> 04:08:30.159 STO imagine if he if he if he if uh said, listen, 4718 04:08:30.360 --> 04:08:34.760 I'll tell you a pal. You know, I'm under a 4719 04:08:34.840 --> 04:08:40.360 little bit of pressure with the federal government and steroids 4720 04:08:40.399 --> 04:08:42.680 and whatnot, so I got to tell you something. I'm 4721 04:08:42.719 --> 04:08:45.479 not a little alarmed. I'm not pleased with the fact 4722 04:08:45.520 --> 04:08:54.040 that you failed the drug test. You your your sample 4723 04:08:54.280 --> 04:09:02.639 was shown to have steroids in it. I understand, yes, yes, 4724 04:09:02.719 --> 04:09:05.920 I know you understand, but said I have to you know, 4725 04:09:06.879 --> 04:09:14.000 I have to. I gotta let you go pale. But 4726 04:09:14.120 --> 04:09:19.479 I have a doctor's note. I didn't know that. Great, 4727 04:09:19.760 --> 04:09:25.120 that's actually tell you what that actually that actually that's 4728 04:09:25.159 --> 04:09:28.399 a relief. I'm I don't know what else gonna do 4729 04:09:28.440 --> 04:09:29.760 there for a second, all right, Can I can I 4730 04:09:29.799 --> 04:09:36.440 see the note? Fine? I really thought he was gonna 4731 04:09:36.440 --> 04:09:40.120 say no, thank you. Let me say we got to 4732 04:09:40.120 --> 04:09:44.399 hear the doctor's note. But yes, I hereby prescribe said 4733 04:09:44.479 --> 04:09:54.799 tune take uh steroids and said, this note is signed 4734 04:09:54.840 --> 04:10:10.959 by doctor Harvey Whippleman. Yeah, he's Bruno is my doctor. 4735 04:10:14.559 --> 04:10:17.600 What is what is his doctorate in? Right? 4736 04:10:17.680 --> 04:10:19.399 Pardon me? Said I didn't take him for a for 4737 04:10:19.440 --> 04:10:19.840 an MD. 4738 04:10:21.360 --> 04:10:23.120 I really didn't, you know. I know we gave him 4739 04:10:23.120 --> 04:10:26.000 the doctor gimmick, but didn't realize he actually he went 4740 04:10:26.079 --> 04:10:29.079 for the m D. There, So what is he? What 4741 04:10:29.200 --> 04:10:31.680 is he? What is he a doctor of? What's his practice? 4742 04:10:32.760 --> 04:10:41.440 He practices in SID medicine. Excuse me, he practices the 4743 04:10:41.600 --> 04:10:51.479 medicine of SID Justice. Yeah, well, uh, I say, that's 4744 04:10:52.760 --> 04:10:59.079 that's very interesting. I uh uh said, I can't. I 4745 04:10:59.159 --> 04:11:01.479 can't do this. I can't do this. All right, he's 4746 04:11:01.520 --> 04:11:05.319 not a real doctor, Yes he is. No, he's not. 4747 04:11:05.879 --> 04:11:11.680 I gotta let you go. I do not authorize myself 4748 04:11:11.799 --> 04:11:15.440 to go. Right. Well, that's fine, you don't have to 4749 04:11:15.520 --> 04:11:17.799 author I'm authorized on the fact that you are gone. 4750 04:11:18.000 --> 04:11:20.559 You're done, You're out of the w w A. I 4751 04:11:20.680 --> 04:11:26.120 fired you, mister McMahon. I want you to look in 4752 04:11:26.239 --> 04:11:36.280 my eyes. You have no authority to fire sid Justice. Okay, 4753 04:11:36.879 --> 04:11:47.559 you do not have the wherewithal the strategic ability nor 4754 04:11:48.120 --> 04:11:52.360 the legal power to ever dictate what sid Justice does 4755 04:11:52.840 --> 04:11:58.559 or does not do. Well. Actually, I do have shot. 4756 04:11:59.360 --> 04:11:59.719 I know that. 4757 04:12:04.639 --> 04:12:05.319 That's all I got. 4758 04:12:09.399 --> 04:12:11.840 Oh, Ship, there's never anything to say after that. It's awesome. 4759 04:12:13.920 --> 04:12:16.559 I mean, what a fucking ride with this guy. This 4760 04:12:16.799 --> 04:12:23.600 this this doctor is from Harvey Whipplelman. So I'm sure 4761 04:12:23.680 --> 04:12:28.559 said denies like, you know, manipulating a lot, right, I'm 4762 04:12:28.559 --> 04:12:31.680 sure he denies all of this, denies using it, denies 4763 04:12:31.719 --> 04:12:34.520 manipulating drug tests. Here he is to r a video. 4764 04:12:35.959 --> 04:12:39.639 Now at the time, right before WrestleMania, maybe you can 4765 04:12:39.680 --> 04:12:42.399 put this to rest. W F put out a lot 4766 04:12:42.440 --> 04:12:44.680 of things saying that you failed a urine test at 4767 04:12:44.719 --> 04:12:48.000 the time that you were you know that that they 4768 04:12:48.040 --> 04:12:49.920 were they were giving out urinest with steroids, and that 4769 04:12:50.399 --> 04:12:52.559 you know that yours came up negative, but they put 4770 04:12:52.600 --> 04:12:54.479 you in the main event. Anyway, that you should give 4771 04:12:54.520 --> 04:12:56.680 them a favor for letting, you know them put you 4772 04:12:56.719 --> 04:12:57.280 in the main event. 4773 04:12:57.440 --> 04:12:58.280 Is there any truth to that? 4774 04:12:59.040 --> 04:12:59.079 No? 4775 04:12:59.479 --> 04:13:02.000 Oh, a matter of fact, the pissed test wasn't until 4776 04:13:02.040 --> 04:13:09.639 after WrestleMania. And the thing was, Vince knew exactly what 4777 04:13:09.799 --> 04:13:13.200 I was on because I told you you know, uh, 4778 04:13:13.440 --> 04:13:16.920 there was no hiding that, you know. Uh now I 4779 04:13:17.200 --> 04:13:20.399 was fucking using someone else's pissed putting that bottle to 4780 04:13:20.559 --> 04:13:22.319 I didn't get caught, you know. 4781 04:13:22.520 --> 04:13:31.440 But the thing about that is, we know, you know exactly, okay, 4782 04:13:32.440 --> 04:13:35.200 who does and doesn't do steroids? 4783 04:13:35.799 --> 04:13:37.959 And when I was up to the four don't and 4784 04:13:38.120 --> 04:13:41.520 I was clean and uh never the last time I 4785 04:13:41.559 --> 04:13:45.319 was there, I never felt the pissed is And but 4786 04:13:45.920 --> 04:13:48.399 some guys were a lot off, bigger than me and 4787 04:13:48.639 --> 04:13:49.760 a lot less working out. 4788 04:13:50.879 --> 04:13:56.680 So there is just yeah, someone's going on to I 4789 04:13:56.840 --> 04:13:58.920 used someone else's piss You just said it. Yeah, he 4790 04:13:58.959 --> 04:14:00.680 said it. You admitted it right there. 4791 04:14:01.280 --> 04:14:03.600 It's the fan Wrestling Podcast. 4792 04:14:16.959 --> 04:14:24.040 He's a La Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Joan. 4793 04:14:28.079 --> 04:14:31.840 What a character this fucking guy was. He's out of 4794 04:14:31.920 --> 04:14:32.559 his mind. 4795 04:14:33.360 --> 04:14:36.959 He's such a fucking. 4796 04:14:40.200 --> 04:14:43.680 It's something. It starts to stack up, you know, Like 4797 04:14:43.760 --> 04:14:45.719 this guy just doesn't stop with this. 4798 04:14:46.000 --> 04:14:49.680 Yeah, he just keeps going and going like he's the 4799 04:14:50.200 --> 04:14:52.319 he's the energy energizer buddy of lunacy. 4800 04:14:53.239 --> 04:14:55.399 It's a great it's a matter of great debate. I 4801 04:14:55.520 --> 04:14:58.760 had trouble finding what the interviewer is referencing in terms 4802 04:14:58.799 --> 04:15:00.239 of maybe if someone out there can hel help me 4803 04:15:00.760 --> 04:15:04.159 this idea that WWF, I feel like I remember reading 4804 04:15:04.200 --> 04:15:06.280 something about how we didn't know all this about Sid's 4805 04:15:06.719 --> 04:15:10.959 drug tests around Wrestlmania eight until years later. To me, 4806 04:15:11.040 --> 04:15:12.200 it was like they're probably on some kind of like 4807 04:15:12.239 --> 04:15:14.920 pr campaign to push back against him or something to 4808 04:15:14.959 --> 04:15:17.200 where they disclosed this or say this publicly. I couldn't 4809 04:15:17.360 --> 04:15:19.760 find it, but I do remember kind of vaguely hearing 4810 04:15:19.799 --> 04:15:22.360 that we didn't know all this until years later. Nonetheless, 4811 04:15:23.479 --> 04:15:26.239 the question of whether the failed drug test was before 4812 04:15:26.239 --> 04:15:28.920 WrestleMania eight and they let him go forward anyway, or 4813 04:15:29.000 --> 04:15:32.280 if a Sid just said it was after. One of 4814 04:15:32.319 --> 04:15:34.680 the one of the fine arts of this kind of 4815 04:15:34.760 --> 04:15:37.959 thing is you you you do the test beforehand, but 4816 04:15:38.200 --> 04:15:40.000 you you see to it that you don't get the 4817 04:15:40.040 --> 04:15:42.200 results till after afterwards. 4818 04:15:42.120 --> 04:15:43.920 Right, so that you get your big pain. It makes 4819 04:15:44.159 --> 04:15:44.680 more sense. 4820 04:15:44.840 --> 04:15:48.479 Yeah, Yeah, people have accused that an mma for years 4821 04:15:48.520 --> 04:15:51.799 and stuff, and I wouldn't be surprised that gives both 4822 04:15:52.399 --> 04:15:55.399 both sides can tell their story. WWF can say you know, 4823 04:15:55.559 --> 04:15:58.760 you you fail a test before Mania, and SID can 4824 04:15:58.799 --> 04:16:00.959 say I failed it after because it's a matter of 4825 04:16:01.040 --> 04:16:03.879 when we found out I failed as opposed to WY. 4826 04:16:04.079 --> 04:16:06.120 The test itself was was administered. 4827 04:16:06.200 --> 04:16:09.360 But that's all that matters, is when you know. 4828 04:16:10.079 --> 04:16:11.920 And then all of a sudden he's had enough of 4829 04:16:12.000 --> 04:16:16.280 this shit. All of a sudden, he's really accelerating his 4830 04:16:16.440 --> 04:16:20.600 level of dissatisfaction. But as we'll get to further down 4831 04:16:20.639 --> 04:16:23.159 the road here in the tribute, even the attack on Arn, 4832 04:16:25.040 --> 04:16:26.840 when you hear Colonel Rob Parker talk about it, he 4833 04:16:26.920 --> 04:16:29.239 knew Sid pretty well. The first things he thinks of 4834 04:16:29.520 --> 04:16:31.600 as to why Sid would be put in such an 4835 04:16:31.600 --> 04:16:34.120 irritable place was because he couldn't bring a shit with 4836 04:16:34.200 --> 04:16:36.159 him to England. Remember that episode took place in England, 4837 04:16:36.719 --> 04:16:39.079 and you can't just as well transport those kinds of 4838 04:16:39.120 --> 04:16:41.319 substances across the country lines you're going to get found 4839 04:16:41.319 --> 04:16:43.440 out of the airport. So that was a prolonged period 4840 04:16:43.479 --> 04:16:46.000 of time for Sid to go without his shit. And 4841 04:16:46.680 --> 04:16:49.360 just like any other drug, right that you become reliant on, 4842 04:16:49.559 --> 04:16:52.440 especially one that YEP is so central to your self 4843 04:16:52.520 --> 04:16:56.280 image and your idea of like your meal ticket, as steroids, 4844 04:16:56.319 --> 04:16:58.719 if you go cold turkey off them for a while, 4845 04:16:58.879 --> 04:17:00.639 you become an irritable son. Of a I mean, you're 4846 04:17:00.639 --> 04:17:03.200 irritable enough on them. A lot of people are let 4847 04:17:03.239 --> 04:17:06.559 alone when you're being deprived of them. And therefore exactly, 4848 04:17:07.040 --> 04:17:09.440 you know, your lifeblood to the way you think about it. 4849 04:17:09.600 --> 04:17:13.360 So he chucked up, Colonel Parker chucks up how violent 4850 04:17:13.479 --> 04:17:16.520 Sid got in that episode to being you know, weaning 4851 04:17:16.600 --> 04:17:19.440 off and being anxious and being stressed out about that. 4852 04:17:19.520 --> 04:17:21.479 I mean that kind of makes sense. Actually, yeah, I 4853 04:17:21.559 --> 04:17:22.000 never heard it. 4854 04:17:22.159 --> 04:17:23.440 Kind of put that way. But that was the first 4855 04:17:23.479 --> 04:17:25.639 thing he thought of, the first thing he cited in 4856 04:17:25.719 --> 04:17:27.040 terms of why it got that way. Plus there was 4857 04:17:27.120 --> 04:17:30.360 some drinking and they've been traving an awful long time 4858 04:17:30.479 --> 04:17:32.120 on a bus that, as we'll get to that only 4859 04:17:32.159 --> 04:17:35.520 had booze on it, and they were waiting for their food, 4860 04:17:35.559 --> 04:17:37.600 and it was just not a good combination of circumstances 4861 04:17:37.639 --> 04:17:40.600 at all in terms of preventing things like that from 4862 04:17:40.639 --> 04:17:43.920 coming to a head. But anyway, we're on our way 4863 04:17:43.920 --> 04:17:46.319 to WrestleMania Aid and whether the piss tests took place 4864 04:17:46.399 --> 04:17:48.399 before or after the show where the results came in 4865 04:17:48.559 --> 04:17:51.280 before or after the show, as we all know very well, 4866 04:17:51.360 --> 04:17:52.879 and it's a big part of why we're here. Sid 4867 04:17:53.000 --> 04:17:57.559 makes that walk and that WrestleMania eight entrance that really 4868 04:17:57.639 --> 04:17:58.079 sinks it in. 4869 04:17:58.159 --> 04:18:03.200 If you ask me, see there said Justice Hulk Hogan 4870 04:18:03.239 --> 04:18:04.319 didn't indicate. 4871 04:18:04.000 --> 04:18:07.000 This would be his life. Jab, I don't care. 4872 04:18:08.200 --> 04:18:12.319 I don't give a damn. How about the liveries of 4873 04:18:12.440 --> 04:18:16.840 Hulk Hogan. The only thing they remember is that Sid 4874 04:18:17.200 --> 04:18:22.200 Justice is the man that ined ol Comania. Now you Hogan, 4875 04:18:22.879 --> 04:18:29.079 AH curse you. I curse you in every Hulk harmaniac 4876 04:18:30.000 --> 04:18:33.440 because uh, because. 4877 04:18:33.319 --> 04:18:36.719 Uh the world. 4878 04:18:40.360 --> 04:18:41.680 Let's get back to ringside. 4879 04:18:43.479 --> 04:18:48.360 Tremendous challenge for the immortal Hank Hogan, the maniac, the 4880 04:18:48.479 --> 04:18:51.040 insane Sid Justice hal. 4881 04:18:50.920 --> 04:18:57.079 Comania could all end. Likely in my book, Brain hal 4882 04:18:57.120 --> 04:19:01.159 Comania will live forever. Let's go down the ringside. 4883 04:19:01.479 --> 04:19:04.639 What'd you ask me, ladies and gentlemen. 4884 04:19:05.319 --> 04:19:09.959 This is the second half of our double mad event. 4885 04:19:10.760 --> 04:19:15.520 I'm going to sketchule for one ball, and this time 4886 04:19:15.799 --> 04:19:16.799 I introduce to you. 4887 04:19:18.559 --> 04:19:20.559 Harvey Whippleman. 4888 04:19:21.479 --> 04:19:24.040 That is doctor Harvey Whippleman. 4889 04:19:24.479 --> 04:19:24.920 That's right. 4890 04:19:25.920 --> 04:19:32.399 This is the main event at Wrastlemania, and I'm your announcer. 4891 04:19:34.440 --> 04:19:41.959 Here we fucking go comb on the one on your fat. 4892 04:19:43.719 --> 04:19:48.159 And so respect to that greated man in the world 4893 04:19:48.319 --> 04:20:00.920 ranting better race side, So respect the man. I know, 4894 04:20:01.879 --> 04:20:09.920 and da a race back street jacket material. 4895 04:20:10.120 --> 04:20:10.959 You're looking at it. 4896 04:20:13.000 --> 04:20:14.959 Yep, he's not all there. 4897 04:20:15.879 --> 04:20:17.280 He's not wrapped too tight. 4898 04:20:17.959 --> 04:20:20.479 The elevator doesn't go to the top. He's not playing 4899 04:20:20.559 --> 04:20:21.879 with a full set of cards. 4900 04:20:23.040 --> 04:20:26.399 And Hulk Hogan is in serious trouble. One way or 4901 04:20:26.520 --> 04:20:27.079 the other. 4902 04:20:31.719 --> 04:20:35.000 Said it was predetermined that he would end the ring. 4903 04:20:35.120 --> 04:20:38.239 Well he's got and I heard you last week tell 4904 04:20:38.280 --> 04:20:39.520 him the newspaper. 4905 04:20:39.079 --> 04:20:41.479 Writer you refer to him as psychosis. 4906 04:20:41.600 --> 04:20:44.559 There is right there is lass with the white coats 4907 04:20:44.600 --> 04:20:46.479 and the big net, a looking lenders guy. 4908 04:20:46.959 --> 04:20:48.760 You bet every a lot of guys and a lot 4909 04:20:48.799 --> 04:20:49.239 of nets. 4910 04:20:55.399 --> 04:20:57.719 Not very often that the hunks ask the stuff in 4911 04:20:57.799 --> 04:20:59.959 there with someone as big or large. 4912 04:21:00.079 --> 04:21:04.200 Tear of that himself. But in this case, actually he 4913 04:21:04.239 --> 04:21:05.639 spent his career fucking doing that. 4914 04:21:06.959 --> 04:21:08.920 Yeah, that that was the race was on to find 4915 04:21:08.959 --> 04:21:10.520 someone that could make Cogan look small. 4916 04:21:11.079 --> 04:21:13.479 Right, I mean, that's that's what he always fucking was 4917 04:21:13.479 --> 04:21:16.399 against people that were bigger than him. That was that's 4918 04:21:16.440 --> 04:21:18.520 what That's what sold out arenas. 4919 04:21:18.719 --> 04:21:21.799 Which is funny because kind of but like he worked 4920 04:21:21.840 --> 04:21:24.280 Randy Savage and that did the best business. Yeah, And 4921 04:21:24.360 --> 04:21:26.200 he was bigger than Randy, he was bigger than Piper, 4922 04:21:26.239 --> 04:21:30.120 and that did awesome business as well. But I'll tell 4923 04:21:30.159 --> 04:21:31.600 you that's an entrance. 4924 04:21:32.120 --> 04:21:32.319 Yeah. 4925 04:21:32.440 --> 04:21:34.319 You watch that building and you watch him make that 4926 04:21:34.440 --> 04:21:38.200 slow walk, and yep, he carries himself with so much confidence. 4927 04:21:39.399 --> 04:21:41.959 He's spectacular. Listen. He was. He was great. I mean, 4928 04:21:42.040 --> 04:21:44.520 he was a real he was a legit threat, like 4929 04:21:44.600 --> 04:21:48.879 I said, he he he Yeah, he scared me. And 4930 04:21:49.959 --> 04:21:52.559 it was one of the you know, I I remember 4931 04:21:53.440 --> 04:22:00.159 again not being able to watch the television, you know, 4932 04:22:00.319 --> 04:22:04.120 like I didn't watch the WRESTLINGIA live, so I had 4933 04:22:04.159 --> 04:22:10.399 to wait to watch you get the results until uh 4934 04:22:10.799 --> 04:22:11.719 the following weekend. 4935 04:22:12.479 --> 04:22:16.600 Amazing, you know, that's a long ass time. And during 4936 04:22:16.639 --> 04:22:18.440 the course of the contest, he looks into the mic 4937 04:22:19.000 --> 04:22:21.680 and into the camera and gives us one of those 4938 04:22:21.760 --> 04:22:24.040 lines that he'll be known for for forever. 4939 04:22:29.120 --> 04:22:35.399 Oh, I've never I'll never seen anybody do that. The 4940 04:22:35.559 --> 04:22:39.680 hot Tim Henry pet that's that choke slam hoes with 4941 04:22:39.840 --> 04:22:40.319 no hand. 4942 04:22:41.000 --> 04:22:43.520 He shut him down And tell the man. 4943 04:22:43.959 --> 04:22:47.239 That's Omer, it's baby, he's op the media. 4944 04:22:47.959 --> 04:22:52.520 That's ommer. He's done his number. Chuck up here few 4945 04:22:52.639 --> 04:22:53.239 roll along. 4946 04:22:53.559 --> 04:22:54.639 See we have a sand. 4947 04:22:55.559 --> 04:22:59.920 It goes like death do it to the man, as he. 4948 04:23:00.040 --> 04:23:04.920 Would go on, do you but do it first? 4949 04:23:08.440 --> 04:23:11.559 That's just so Sid, because I'm sitting really does that 4950 04:23:12.079 --> 04:23:12.639 make sense? 4951 04:23:12.760 --> 04:23:14.639 Like maybe? And halfway? 4952 04:23:14.719 --> 04:23:16.680 Does I know what he's saying? That's the thing with Sid, 4953 04:23:16.799 --> 04:23:19.319 like very rarely did you have no clue what he 4954 04:23:19.440 --> 04:23:21.920 was talking about? Yeah, but it was just the word 4955 04:23:22.040 --> 04:23:24.280 choice was always so befuddling that you were like, wait 4956 04:23:24.280 --> 04:23:29.479 a minute, did he actually did he unintentionally get me 4957 04:23:29.600 --> 04:23:32.000 to draw that conclusion and meant to say something else? 4958 04:23:33.120 --> 04:23:36.040 Do That's the thing you'll never know do into him 4959 04:23:36.040 --> 04:23:37.799 another man? Is he would do unto you, but do 4960 04:23:37.879 --> 04:23:39.600 it first? But you just said you did it like 4961 04:23:43.159 --> 04:23:45.319 you just did onto another man before he could do 4962 04:23:45.399 --> 04:23:46.920 it to you. So of course you did it first. 4963 04:23:47.000 --> 04:23:53.520 You just said that. Do you want I guess? Yeah, yeah, sure, 4964 04:23:53.680 --> 04:23:56.920 whatever you say, pal, whatever you say, do you do first? 4965 04:23:58.239 --> 04:24:00.680 My other do onto some before they do it to you? 4966 04:24:00.799 --> 04:24:02.079 Do you do that first? Or do you just do 4967 04:24:02.120 --> 04:24:04.360 the first half first, the second half first, or do 4968 04:24:04.479 --> 04:24:06.239 you do you just leave it alone altogether? 4969 04:24:06.799 --> 04:24:08.440 That'd be nice. Well, you know, you'd think with this 4970 04:24:09.120 --> 04:24:13.680 this huge setting, this massive opportunity, this great atmosphere working 4971 04:24:13.719 --> 04:24:16.120 against the top guy in the business, that Sid would 4972 04:24:16.120 --> 04:24:18.799 be able to differentiate between WrestleMania and the other shots 4973 04:24:18.840 --> 04:24:19.360 on the circuit. 4974 04:24:19.440 --> 04:24:19.559 Right. 4975 04:24:19.879 --> 04:24:21.040 Oh, no way, no way. 4976 04:24:21.120 --> 04:24:24.040 This is another legendary thing. He once said to Sean 4977 04:24:24.120 --> 04:24:25.319 Mooey about WrestleMania eight. 4978 04:24:26.040 --> 04:24:28.520 You know, Sean, this is a deal and I'm not exaggerating. 4979 04:24:29.159 --> 04:24:33.120 I don't even remember my first WrestleMania. I didn't realize 4980 04:24:33.159 --> 04:24:35.319 it was WrestleMania. And I'm not kidding you. I never 4981 04:24:35.399 --> 04:24:37.719 looked at a booking sheet. I didn't care who was 4982 04:24:37.799 --> 04:24:40.600 working with. I didn't care it was a business to me. 4983 04:24:40.920 --> 04:24:43.319 I didn't care for wonder the laws. I just wanted 4984 04:24:43.360 --> 04:24:43.920 to get paid. 4985 04:24:45.760 --> 04:24:46.719 So it was a house show. 4986 04:24:46.799 --> 04:24:50.719 Basically, I'm just Sean just showing up. 4987 04:24:51.719 --> 04:24:54.440 Yes, honestly, you know I got You know, after my 4988 04:24:54.520 --> 04:24:58.159 first WrestleMania, someone said, you know you were main event Wreussellmania. 4989 04:24:58.159 --> 04:25:01.159 I said, no, wasn't the He said yes, and I 4990 04:25:01.239 --> 04:25:03.719 remember that the who's you don't? But I didn't really 4991 04:25:03.920 --> 04:25:07.440 realize that was WrestleMania. I do remember doing the interviews 4992 04:25:07.479 --> 04:25:10.239 for it, and because I had that Southern accent, I 4993 04:25:10.319 --> 04:25:13.200 guess I was saying wrestling mana or saying it the 4994 04:25:13.239 --> 04:25:15.319 wrong way, and there was a big sign there said 4995 04:25:15.920 --> 04:25:17.520 tell sid just say mania. 4996 04:25:20.159 --> 04:25:24.440 I mean this guy is something lunatic, something else, like 4997 04:25:25.000 --> 04:25:30.239 who fucking who fucking says that? Like, I don't even 4998 04:25:30.239 --> 04:25:32.559 remember my first WrestleMania. I thought was a house show. 4999 04:25:33.040 --> 04:25:35.520 I mean he I don't know, I don't know. I 5000 04:25:35.600 --> 04:25:37.200 think he's playing on a few levels with that. I 5001 04:25:37.239 --> 04:25:38.959 don't believe for a second that he doesn't remember that 5002 04:25:39.040 --> 04:25:40.520 that was WrestleMania. I agree. 5003 04:25:40.840 --> 04:25:42.559 He's trying to make a point about how he was 5004 04:25:42.639 --> 04:25:44.239 in this to make money and he wasn't a mark 5005 04:25:44.280 --> 04:25:47.479 for any particular moment, which of course he was, of 5006 04:25:47.600 --> 04:25:48.159 course he was. 5007 04:25:49.120 --> 04:25:51.399 Later on if he wasn't if he if he if 5008 04:25:51.440 --> 04:25:53.520 he wasn't a mark for a moment like that, then 5009 04:25:53.959 --> 04:25:56.319 he wouldn't have said I want to be Hulk Hogan, 5010 04:25:56.840 --> 04:25:58.000 I want Huld Cogan spot. 5011 04:25:58.280 --> 04:26:00.559 And later on he talks about, you know, bring filling 5012 04:26:00.639 --> 04:26:02.840 this building, and he talks about his you know, he's 5013 04:26:02.840 --> 04:26:04.559 been asked in other interviews of what was your favorite 5014 04:26:04.559 --> 04:26:06.200 WrestleMania moment, and he tells. 5015 04:26:06.200 --> 04:26:09.120 I don't have one. I don't even remember what Wrestlemnia. 5016 04:26:08.639 --> 04:26:11.280 Was at this wrestleman opponent. He names this without even 5017 04:26:11.559 --> 04:26:13.479 going into the whole story about how he doesn't remember 5018 04:26:13.479 --> 04:26:17.559 his wrestling Mania, right, the idiot, Yeah, there's that. 5019 04:26:17.680 --> 04:26:18.040 I don't know. 5020 04:26:18.280 --> 04:26:22.200 I think that's that's Sid trying to spin a narrative 5021 04:26:22.280 --> 04:26:26.680 of him being, you know, all business and and the unsuccess. 5022 04:26:26.920 --> 04:26:28.959 Maybe there was some small thing where he didn't realize 5023 04:26:28.959 --> 04:26:30.639 it was WrestleMania to who he's at the building, I 5024 04:26:31.200 --> 04:26:33.799 just don't having heard him talk about this WrestleMania and 5025 04:26:33.840 --> 04:26:36.079 a bunch of other interviews, he's never said that except 5026 04:26:36.079 --> 04:26:37.760 to Sean Mooney. But you only have to say something 5027 04:26:37.840 --> 04:26:40.840 like that once. Right, that's the Sid story. And so 5028 04:26:42.159 --> 04:26:44.319 he comes into and out of we know the finish 5029 04:26:44.879 --> 04:26:48.079 of that match where Hogan drops the leg covers one 5030 04:26:48.120 --> 04:26:50.440 two and Sid basically the first person to kick out 5031 04:26:50.440 --> 04:26:53.280 of Hogan's leg drop in WWF yep. And it's a 5032 04:26:53.280 --> 04:26:55.159 big moment. And there's been a lot of hoopblog because 5033 04:26:55.239 --> 04:26:58.079 Charles Wright, who was Publishano and ran out during the match, 5034 04:26:58.440 --> 04:27:00.600 has always said that he missed his He's got a 5035 04:27:00.639 --> 04:27:02.520 whole story about how he was supposed to have hit 5036 04:27:02.559 --> 04:27:04.319 the ring before Sid had to kick out. But then 5037 04:27:04.360 --> 04:27:06.159 you hear Bruno tell it. He said that was exactly 5038 04:27:06.479 --> 04:27:08.040 what was supposed to happen, and it was in fact 5039 04:27:08.120 --> 04:27:11.159 Bruno that was supposed to cause the match ending disqualification, 5040 04:27:12.399 --> 04:27:15.239 not Papa Shango who comes out awfully late for somebody 5041 04:27:16.000 --> 04:27:17.600 that was expected to hit the ring in time for 5042 04:27:17.680 --> 04:27:23.719 that finish awfully late. Yeah, And so Whippleman doesn't even 5043 04:27:23.799 --> 04:27:25.760 say that he was late on breaking up the count. 5044 04:27:25.799 --> 04:27:28.200 When he explains it, he makes it seem and Sid 5045 04:27:28.319 --> 04:27:30.520 does too. He doesn't really talk about He's been asked 5046 04:27:30.520 --> 04:27:32.600 a hundred times what happened in this finish, and every 5047 04:27:32.680 --> 04:27:35.680 time Sid answers the question, he never mentions Papa Shango 5048 04:27:35.719 --> 04:27:38.120 being late on the queue ever, and he kind of 5049 04:27:38.159 --> 04:27:41.000 dismissed it out right in one interview. And when Whoopleman 5050 04:27:41.040 --> 04:27:42.559 talks about it, he talks about it. It's you know, 5051 04:27:42.680 --> 04:27:44.600 Sid was basically just a kick out of the leg drop. 5052 04:27:44.920 --> 04:27:47.440 I think that I don't I don't necessarily buy that. 5053 04:27:47.520 --> 04:27:48.440 To me, that sounds like. 5054 04:27:50.120 --> 04:27:51.719 Someone fucked up and they're trying not to own it. 5055 04:27:52.360 --> 04:27:56.399 Well, I think I think they're getting I think Sid 5056 04:27:56.479 --> 04:28:00.920 gets gets kind of a I cann't you know that 5057 04:28:01.239 --> 04:28:03.239 by saying that was that that that that he was 5058 04:28:03.239 --> 04:28:05.000 supposed to kick out of the leg drop. It makes 5059 04:28:05.079 --> 04:28:09.200 him seem that much, you know, better than they Oh yeah, 5060 04:28:09.200 --> 04:28:12.879 they booked me to the office, would write, you know, like, 5061 04:28:13.360 --> 04:28:16.399 I just don't let me tell you this. I just 5062 04:28:16.520 --> 04:28:20.959 don't think someone kicking out of the leg drop at 5063 04:28:21.040 --> 04:28:23.719 that point would have been wasted on a moment like that. Yeah, 5064 04:28:23.719 --> 04:28:25.239 because it is, it's such an afterthought the way it 5065 04:28:25.239 --> 04:28:27.200 plays out. The crowd is almost confused. No one even 5066 04:28:27.280 --> 04:28:28.840 fucking really does anything with it. 5067 04:28:29.319 --> 04:28:31.840 And they don't mention it on commentary. 5068 04:28:32.000 --> 04:28:36.600 They do briefly. Yeah, but that's a split second, right, 5069 04:28:37.360 --> 04:28:40.639 which to me says, you know, they get Vince in 5070 04:28:40.680 --> 04:28:43.440 the ear. Don't don't don't talk about that that fucked 5071 04:28:43.520 --> 04:28:46.319 up whatever it was, because when you see it happen 5072 04:28:46.360 --> 04:28:50.639 with Yokazuna the following year, it's a big deal. Yes, 5073 04:28:51.639 --> 04:28:52.799 it's a big deal. 5074 04:28:54.520 --> 04:28:56.200 Really interesting. I don't know. I mean, I'll go with 5075 04:28:56.319 --> 04:28:59.159 Charles Wright as the truth tailor in this because but 5076 04:28:59.200 --> 04:29:00.959 I don't know with Whippmann. You know, I would think 5077 04:29:00.959 --> 04:29:03.600 Whippleman would blame Papa Shango. 5078 04:29:03.319 --> 04:29:04.920 Too if that was the case, But I think but 5079 04:29:05.280 --> 04:29:07.760 not if he's a friend of Sid's. Yeah, and he 5080 04:29:07.840 --> 04:29:08.920 wants to make Sid look good. 5081 04:29:09.000 --> 04:29:11.440 Yeah, accentually with the idea that the office you know 5082 04:29:11.760 --> 04:29:13.319 said it said it so that Sid would kick out 5083 04:29:13.319 --> 04:29:15.239 of a leg drop. I've emver heard Hogan. That's the 5084 04:29:15.319 --> 04:29:17.680 question for Hogan if you ever see him at a 5085 04:29:17.879 --> 04:29:21.200 at a beer thing. Hey, hey, when Sid kicks out 5086 04:29:21.200 --> 04:29:22.639 of a leg drop at wrestling the ate were you 5087 04:29:22.719 --> 04:29:24.319 surprised or was that was supposed to happen? 5088 04:29:26.559 --> 04:29:26.719 Why? 5089 04:29:28.159 --> 04:29:29.200 Who don't you ask that? 5090 04:29:30.120 --> 04:29:30.600 What's it to you? 5091 04:29:30.879 --> 04:29:30.920 Like? 5092 04:29:31.319 --> 04:29:32.520 What is there a video? 5093 04:29:32.680 --> 04:29:32.719 Like? 5094 04:29:32.799 --> 04:29:34.520 Well, I don't even remember what you're talking you remember, 5095 04:29:34.600 --> 04:29:36.200 I don't think anyone's talking about. 5096 04:29:36.319 --> 04:29:37.600 I got the video right here, Terry. No, No, you 5097 04:29:37.600 --> 04:29:38.639 don't have to take that out, brother, we. 5098 04:29:38.639 --> 04:29:40.319 Got a line of them. I get it, dude. I 5099 04:29:40.360 --> 04:29:42.159 get what you're saying, brother, I get that you're saying. 5100 04:29:42.200 --> 04:29:42.399 You have. 5101 04:29:44.280 --> 04:29:45.879 AI brother right exactly. 5102 04:29:45.959 --> 04:29:50.840 I don't I know that this is exactly exactly. I mean, 5103 04:29:50.920 --> 04:29:54.280 deep fakes, dude. Who knows more about that than than 5104 04:29:54.319 --> 04:29:55.239 a sports entertainer? 5105 04:29:55.639 --> 04:29:57.799 I mean, I'm all about deep fake dude. Did you. 5106 04:30:00.479 --> 04:30:01.319 Let's see that phone? 5107 04:30:01.319 --> 04:30:04.879 Brother? No, let me see the phone, brother, what's your phone? 5108 04:30:05.040 --> 04:30:12.840 We're taking pictures of brother Old Hogan. Yeah, yeah, sure, 5109 04:30:12.879 --> 04:30:16.879 I came to pictures. I came to take care a 5110 04:30:16.959 --> 04:30:19.840 photo of you. Why, dude, what do you? What are 5111 04:30:19.879 --> 04:30:20.799 you trying to prove? Brother? 5112 04:30:21.479 --> 04:30:21.920 Triangle? 5113 04:30:22.399 --> 04:30:25.239 What you're trying to roll me up to? You know what? 5114 04:30:25.559 --> 04:30:27.559 What's next? You want to take a shot behind me? 5115 04:30:27.639 --> 04:30:27.840 Brother? 5116 04:30:28.319 --> 04:30:29.159 What do you? What do you weigh? 5117 04:30:29.200 --> 04:30:29.239 Like? 5118 04:30:29.719 --> 04:30:30.920 Nine to five pounds? Soaking wet? 5119 04:30:31.000 --> 04:30:31.159 Dude? 5120 04:30:31.200 --> 04:30:32.399 You gonna roll me up? 5121 04:30:32.440 --> 04:30:32.639 Brother? 5122 04:30:32.920 --> 04:30:33.079 Huh? 5123 04:30:34.360 --> 04:30:36.280 Huh uh? 5124 04:30:44.000 --> 04:30:45.879 Trivia question t l f X trivia question. 5125 04:30:46.440 --> 04:30:47.319 What's the best? Who? 5126 04:30:48.239 --> 04:30:50.680 What episode does it appear on? No, it isn't Summer 5127 04:30:50.719 --> 04:30:54.719 Slam O five, It isn't one of the Hogan headline shows. 5128 04:30:54.799 --> 04:30:56.399 It's the Sid Tribute. 5129 04:30:58.200 --> 04:31:04.399 Where where he's accosting someone for taking pictures of him. 5130 04:31:06.200 --> 04:31:07.719 So good, I had a fucking meet and greet. 5131 04:31:08.479 --> 04:31:10.639 I mean, dude, that's great stuff. So yeah, who knows 5132 04:31:10.680 --> 04:31:12.559 the mystery that leg drop? But Sid has never leaned 5133 04:31:12.600 --> 04:31:14.239 into it one way or the other. As far as 5134 04:31:14.280 --> 04:31:16.239 blaming anybody else, he just says that's how it's supposed 5135 04:31:16.239 --> 04:31:18.319 to happen. This is also a guy who claims not 5136 04:31:18.360 --> 04:31:19.440 to remember it's WrestleMania. 5137 04:31:19.559 --> 04:31:21.719 So that was a house show. 5138 04:31:23.040 --> 04:31:24.319 And that's you know, he didn't say it was a 5139 04:31:24.360 --> 04:31:27.239 house show. Sean Mooney that that's I kind of yeah, 5140 04:31:27.280 --> 04:31:30.040 people say Sid thought it was a joke. Sid doesn't 5141 04:31:30.159 --> 04:31:32.399 think it's a house show. Mooney's the one that says that, 5142 04:31:32.479 --> 04:31:34.120 and he kind of goes along with it. But it's 5143 04:31:34.200 --> 04:31:36.920 not like Sid volunteers that. And I saw some kind 5144 04:31:36.959 --> 04:31:40.879 of lazy shorthand trying to recall some hilarious things he said. 5145 04:31:40.920 --> 04:31:44.040 It's saying saying that, but anyway that that's where it 5146 04:31:44.079 --> 04:31:46.200 comes from, and that's that is part funny, and it's 5147 04:31:46.319 --> 04:31:47.920 it's kind of like the Kevin Nash story of how 5148 04:31:47.959 --> 04:31:51.200 Sid turned down the Hogan's thought to be he It's like, no, 5149 04:31:51.399 --> 04:31:54.719 that's it's not what Sid said happened at all. He 5150 04:31:55.040 --> 04:31:57.840 sort of was thrust into being a heel against what 5151 04:31:58.239 --> 04:32:03.079 he expected to happen. He didn't suggest. So there's trouble. Now, okay, 5152 04:32:03.159 --> 04:32:06.360 there's trouble. Sid is unhappy. This piss test isn't going 5153 04:32:06.399 --> 04:32:08.600 to go in his direction. WrestleMania is over and he 5154 04:32:08.639 --> 04:32:11.399 doesn't win. We know Ultimate Warrior returns at the end 5155 04:32:11.440 --> 04:32:14.079 of that match to run off Shango and Sid the 5156 04:32:14.159 --> 04:32:17.760 Warrior who man you talk about a guy who Sid's 5157 04:32:17.799 --> 04:32:19.920 career is inextricably tied to one way or the other. 5158 04:32:20.479 --> 04:32:24.000 He gets into that spot prematurely and accelerated because Warrior 5159 04:32:24.040 --> 04:32:27.600 gets fired. Warrior comes back, and Sid, as we're about 5160 04:32:27.600 --> 04:32:30.680 to talk about, basically leaves because Warriors back. In no 5161 04:32:30.840 --> 04:32:35.079 small part, it kind of makes redundant in some ways 5162 04:32:35.959 --> 04:32:39.520 that position that Sid was expected to fill as a babyface. 5163 04:32:39.799 --> 04:32:44.280 And then flash forward to ninety six, why does Sid 5164 04:32:44.399 --> 04:32:47.760 come back boss for the international incident? 5165 04:32:50.120 --> 04:32:51.520 Fucking Warrior? 5166 04:32:51.639 --> 04:32:56.000 Sid gets Warrior gets fired exactly, So this is kind 5167 04:32:56.000 --> 04:32:59.120 of a weird thing that's developing between Sid and Jim 5168 04:32:59.159 --> 04:33:03.440 Helwig and no, Warrior gets fired from WCW, and within 5169 04:33:03.520 --> 04:33:07.479 months Sid's in WCW. As they probably have some free 5170 04:33:07.520 --> 04:33:09.520 money slashing around that would have went to Jim Hallway. 5171 04:33:09.560 --> 04:33:11.799 I mean, that's just a position there. But Sid gets 5172 04:33:11.799 --> 04:33:14.040 a very fat contract to come into nineteen ninety nine, 5173 04:33:14.720 --> 04:33:18.319 so it's all very deeply funny. And of course, as 5174 04:33:18.439 --> 04:33:20.759 per tradition, after WrestleMania, the boys go on the European 5175 04:33:20.799 --> 04:33:24.799 Tour and that's a big long slog and Sid goes 5176 04:33:24.799 --> 04:33:27.200 ahead and does that tour. 5177 04:33:27.599 --> 04:33:30.880 We've seen stuff from it we've seen Sid Face the 5178 04:33:30.959 --> 04:33:32.040 Undertaker as we have. 5179 04:33:32.200 --> 04:33:35.319 It's in the archives on one of the Coliseum home videos. 5180 04:33:36.599 --> 04:33:38.799 So they get back and this is where we pick 5181 04:33:38.880 --> 04:33:41.840 back up with Downtown Bruno and his book recollecting what 5182 04:33:41.919 --> 04:33:44.799 It's Like to travel with a cranky Sid After a 5183 04:33:44.880 --> 04:33:45.680 European tour. 5184 04:33:47.799 --> 04:33:50.080 Five days after we returned to the United States, Sid 5185 04:33:50.119 --> 04:33:52.400 and I were booked on a ten day run through 5186 04:33:52.439 --> 04:33:55.959 the Northeast. Sid was scheduled the wrestle Ultimate Warrior for 5187 04:33:56.000 --> 04:34:02.240 the entire tour. The traffic jams, can ingestion, high prices, 5188 04:34:02.319 --> 04:34:06.319 and general chaos of the Northeast are enough to put 5189 04:34:06.639 --> 04:34:08.279 anybody in a bad mood. 5190 04:34:09.279 --> 04:34:13.479 These Southern boys and they're fucking problems with real traffic, man. 5191 04:34:13.560 --> 04:34:17.319 It's it's like, shut the fuck up about it. Seriously, 5192 04:34:17.520 --> 04:34:26.319 Oh my god, Connecticut gestion, general chaos, and evidently sent 5193 04:34:26.439 --> 04:34:29.400 Sid over the edge. I don't have any other explanation 5194 04:34:29.520 --> 04:34:33.240 for his irrational behavior, or maybe because he's off the juice. 5195 04:34:33.680 --> 04:34:37.000 Maybe Uh. Since first match with Warrior took place in Baltimore, 5196 04:34:37.080 --> 04:34:40.240 to say the match sucked is probably giving Sid in 5197 04:34:40.520 --> 04:34:42.639 Warrior more credit than they deserve. We got to see. 5198 04:34:42.680 --> 04:34:44.279 This is an unreleased we need to see. 5199 04:34:44.599 --> 04:34:48.759 Yes, exactly, I need to see all the this is 5200 04:34:48.880 --> 04:34:50.840 this was my feud too, like this is a few 5201 04:34:50.919 --> 04:34:55.919 that I again became a staple for me. 5202 04:34:56.560 --> 04:35:00.880 As a kid, so many you know, expecting anything else. 5203 04:35:01.639 --> 04:35:04.279 Sid and Warrior, like in my Hansber universe, they were 5204 04:35:04.319 --> 04:35:05.520 at war all the time. 5205 04:35:05.919 --> 04:35:06.360 Amazing. 5206 04:35:07.840 --> 04:35:10.720 It was a constant battle. And I never saw one 5207 04:35:10.799 --> 04:35:13.720 fucking match, oh never. None of them made it to television. 5208 04:35:14.240 --> 04:35:16.360 Got to and this, by the way, if you're getting 5209 04:35:16.400 --> 04:35:19.000 deja vu longtime listeners. We did touch on this part 5210 04:35:19.040 --> 04:35:21.479 of Bruno's book in the episode we did about the 5211 04:35:21.599 --> 04:35:28.080 Saturday Nights main Event when Sid turns on Hogan m Truthfully, 5212 04:35:28.119 --> 04:35:30.400 the fact that they had a bad match wasn't Sid's fault. 5213 04:35:30.840 --> 04:35:33.040 Warrior was the type of guy who made a great entrance, 5214 04:35:33.200 --> 04:35:35.840 entering the arena to the sound of loud music, a 5215 04:35:35.919 --> 04:35:38.400 colorful outfit and face paint. He would bark at the 5216 04:35:38.479 --> 04:35:42.080 ceiling and shake the ropes sadly. However, when the music stopped, 5217 04:35:42.159 --> 04:35:45.759 so did his charisma. Warrior had a main event body 5218 04:35:45.840 --> 04:35:50.119 and a squash jaw brain, which was my expression. My 5219 04:35:50.279 --> 04:35:53.439 friend Steve Lombardi made up. Steve wasn't talking about Warrior 5220 04:35:53.479 --> 04:35:55.520 when he used that phrase, but I thought it was appropriate, 5221 04:35:55.639 --> 04:35:58.439 so I'll use it for this particular story. Anyway. To 5222 04:35:58.479 --> 04:36:01.880 put it bluntly, Sid, it wasn't exactly satisfied with the match. 5223 04:36:02.439 --> 04:36:04.560 I knew he was upset about it, but he refused 5224 04:36:04.599 --> 04:36:06.200 to talk about it. The next day, at the Old 5225 04:36:06.279 --> 04:36:09.599 Boston Garden Arena, Sid went ballistic in the dressing room 5226 04:36:09.599 --> 04:36:12.040 after his match. I knew how tough it was to 5227 04:36:12.080 --> 04:36:14.200 work with Warrior, but I just couldn't understand why he 5228 04:36:14.279 --> 04:36:16.119 was making such a big deal out of it. He 5229 04:36:16.319 --> 04:36:19.279 kicked a chair, threw his boots across the room, and scowled. 5230 04:36:19.799 --> 04:36:23.439 He practically hyperventilated as he changed back into his street clothes. 5231 04:36:24.360 --> 04:36:26.720 When George Steele, the agent for that show, tried to 5232 04:36:26.759 --> 04:36:30.439 approach him, Sid just said, George till Vincent Klitton, I'm 5233 04:36:30.479 --> 04:36:34.639 going home now, get the fuck away from me now. 5234 04:36:36.000 --> 04:36:39.240 He was livid, and his actions were frightening to watch. 5235 04:36:39.959 --> 04:36:42.520 When it came to scaring me, his actions took a 5236 04:36:42.680 --> 04:36:45.159 back seat to what he had to say after we 5237 04:36:45.279 --> 04:36:52.439 left the arena, Bruno, you're gonna finish up two in 5238 04:36:52.479 --> 04:36:54.279 the airport and you're gonna fly back to Memphis. 5239 04:36:54.360 --> 04:36:54.560 With me. 5240 04:36:56.360 --> 04:36:58.720 Sid rented and rage irrationally all the way to Logan 5241 04:36:58.759 --> 04:37:01.599 in an international airport. He talked about how terrible things 5242 04:37:01.639 --> 04:37:03.880 were in the WWE and how ridiculous it was for 5243 04:37:04.000 --> 04:37:06.360 him to be working with Warrior. He went on and on. 5244 04:37:06.560 --> 04:37:09.360 Once again, just like all the times in CWF, I 5245 04:37:09.560 --> 04:37:11.720 was there to bear the brunt of his anger. I 5246 04:37:11.840 --> 04:37:14.200 begged Sid to reconsider as we stood in front of 5247 04:37:14.200 --> 04:37:16.799 the airline ticket counter. I suggested he'd go explain his 5248 04:37:16.840 --> 04:37:22.200 grievances to Vincent the following Dan Niagara Falls TV whatever, 5249 04:37:22.520 --> 04:37:26.799 whatever the whatever the problem, I assured him, vinc will 5250 04:37:26.880 --> 04:37:30.840 fixing for you. Sid would hear none of it. He 5251 04:37:30.919 --> 04:37:32.959 simply told me to get my credit card and buy 5252 04:37:33.000 --> 04:37:40.720 a one way ticket to Memphis. Unbelievable, or he would 5253 04:37:43.319 --> 04:37:45.240 snap your fucking neck. 5254 04:37:46.520 --> 04:37:46.959 Nice guy. 5255 04:37:48.200 --> 04:37:50.599 Not wanting my next snaps, I pulled out my trusty 5256 04:37:50.720 --> 04:37:53.279 visa and slapped it on the Northwest ticket counter, and 5257 04:37:53.400 --> 04:37:55.720 without so much as telling a soul from the company, 5258 04:37:55.759 --> 04:37:59.639 I pulled a hank snow with Sid. We landed in Memphis. 5259 04:37:59.680 --> 04:38:02.439 Sid into his car and drove home to Arkansas, while 5260 04:38:02.479 --> 04:38:05.080 I hoped into my truck and drove to Mississippi. As 5261 04:38:05.159 --> 04:38:08.560 we parted, Sid told me tomorrow call Vincent, thank him 5262 04:38:08.560 --> 04:38:11.680 for everything, but tell him that you want you want 5263 04:38:11.720 --> 04:38:15.240 to finish up, then call Lawlor and go back to USWA. 5264 04:38:16.200 --> 04:38:18.840 As soon as again I'm on ww contract, I'll take 5265 04:38:18.840 --> 04:38:20.119 you to w CW with me. 5266 04:38:20.680 --> 04:38:24.439 Jesus Christ, no choice in the matter. As we know 5267 04:38:25.319 --> 04:38:28.520 Downtown Bruno would actually stay with WWF. He goes on 5268 04:38:28.599 --> 04:38:31.159 his book to talk about how as soon as Vince 5269 04:38:31.240 --> 04:38:32.880 is frantically trying to get him on the phone, realizing 5270 04:38:32.919 --> 04:38:35.119 that Sid skipped out on him. And when he does 5271 04:38:35.159 --> 04:38:36.639 get Berno on the phone, he says, you still want 5272 04:38:36.639 --> 04:38:38.520 to work here? And he says yes. And Bruno stayed 5273 04:38:38.520 --> 04:38:40.319 booked for a while and actually worked for the company 5274 04:38:40.400 --> 04:38:44.080 for years and years and years and went backstage logistics capacity. 5275 04:38:44.119 --> 04:38:46.240 And I think he's even still there. I'm not entirely 5276 04:38:46.319 --> 04:38:49.000 sure as to his status, but I mean, you know, 5277 04:38:49.119 --> 04:38:51.119 he went to manage Kamala the rest of the year, 5278 04:38:51.319 --> 04:38:54.240 sure did ye stayed on TV for a while, so 5279 04:38:54.319 --> 04:38:57.240 he didn't follow Sid as he sat out his WWF contract. 5280 04:38:57.279 --> 04:39:00.520 And of course it being spring becoming summer, you know, 5281 04:39:00.639 --> 04:39:04.159 people start saying, yeah, you know, Sid's finding a way 5282 04:39:04.200 --> 04:39:07.639 to get out just in time for softball season. But 5283 04:39:07.799 --> 04:39:10.880 that that's perhaps the story that uh that that lives 5284 04:39:10.919 --> 04:39:13.840 in infamy and in the legend and myth. But I 5285 04:39:13.919 --> 04:39:17.080 might not have all of the the direct support unlike 5286 04:39:17.119 --> 04:39:19.279 the other one in the w W days when he 5287 04:39:19.400 --> 04:39:23.639 was recuperating from that lung surgery. I guess Arkansas baseball 5288 04:39:23.720 --> 04:39:25.439 is a really big deal. We get a note from 5289 04:39:25.479 --> 04:39:28.000 somebody that said, like the softball rather that it's actually 5290 04:39:28.240 --> 04:39:30.639 some of the highest level male softball teams in the 5291 04:39:30.680 --> 04:39:31.919 country play at Arkansas. 5292 04:39:32.040 --> 04:39:34.240 So I don't know, I didn't know there were high 5293 04:39:34.319 --> 04:39:38.040 level softball team begin with. I guess Sid was was 5294 04:39:38.119 --> 04:39:40.360 within his rights to take this a little more seriously 5295 04:39:40.439 --> 04:39:42.240 than I guess he'd you know, take it very seriously. 5296 04:39:42.240 --> 04:39:43.599 It's just like a you know, it's just like a 5297 04:39:43.639 --> 04:39:45.919 football player, you know, you know, it just comes to 5298 04:39:45.959 --> 04:39:50.919 wrestle the off season so different. I can't. 5299 04:39:51.400 --> 04:39:53.759 I can't, you know, I can't deny that. I can't 5300 04:39:53.759 --> 04:39:54.240 find I can't. 5301 04:39:54.439 --> 04:39:56.240 When you know you don't make fun of Kevin Green 5302 04:39:56.400 --> 04:39:58.520 for you know, doing w c W during the off season, 5303 04:39:59.759 --> 04:40:02.639 you know, what's the big deal? Like you should shut 5304 04:40:02.639 --> 04:40:05.400 the fuck up, right he's a softball player than a wrestler. 5305 04:40:05.720 --> 04:40:08.240 It's our pal William Webb on Patreon, who writes softball 5306 04:40:08.319 --> 04:40:10.840 is huge in Arkansas with no pro sports teams except 5307 04:40:10.880 --> 04:40:13.040 for the minor league baseball team, so college sports are 5308 04:40:13.119 --> 04:40:15.439 huge and the men's baseball team and women's softball team 5309 04:40:15.479 --> 04:40:18.240 are highly revered. For what it's worth, Sid probably worked 5310 04:40:18.319 --> 04:40:21.000 rice fields, as that's one of the few crops that grows. Well. 5311 04:40:21.759 --> 04:40:23.639 I remember him talking about corn, but I don't know. 5312 04:40:23.759 --> 04:40:24.240 Maybe you're right. 5313 04:40:24.360 --> 04:40:27.400 What's so like? Let me tell you. So I don't 5314 04:40:27.479 --> 04:40:31.599 understand men's softball. What's the difference between it and baseball, 5315 04:40:31.759 --> 04:40:32.360 big ball? 5316 04:40:33.119 --> 04:40:39.040 Just the big ball yep, underhand pitching, okay, And I 5317 04:40:39.080 --> 04:40:41.560 think there's different dimensions to the field as far as 5318 04:40:41.639 --> 04:40:43.720 how far away the home run is and stuff. 5319 04:40:43.599 --> 04:40:46.400 Or maybe the people who play live in different dimensions. 5320 04:40:46.680 --> 04:40:50.520 It's definitely in the world. He mind, Well, it's definitely 5321 04:40:50.599 --> 04:40:56.279 a way like I feel like when men get older, 5322 04:40:56.279 --> 04:40:58.919 it becomes really hard for them to play regular baseball 5323 04:40:58.919 --> 04:41:01.560 without getting hurt. I think it's I think the dimensions 5324 04:41:01.560 --> 04:41:03.720 make it easier to play longer. So it's like I 5325 04:41:03.759 --> 04:41:06.200 always associate men's softball with older people, and I don't 5326 04:41:06.240 --> 04:41:08.599 exactly know why, but you know, if you're going to 5327 04:41:08.639 --> 04:41:10.279 start like an old man's league, it's never. 5328 04:41:10.200 --> 04:41:11.000 Going to be baseball. 5329 04:41:11.040 --> 04:41:13.080 It's going to be softball, and it's a soft pitch, 5330 04:41:13.479 --> 04:41:15.400 so you can really crack the ball. No one's going 5331 04:41:15.439 --> 04:41:18.200 to get beaned and put on the fucking you know shelf. Sure, 5332 04:41:18.479 --> 04:41:20.599 sure you can only throw a ball that's that big, 5333 04:41:20.720 --> 04:41:23.200 that hard anyway. So I think that that's kind of 5334 04:41:23.560 --> 04:41:24.959 kind of it. And I think the nature of the 5335 04:41:25.000 --> 04:41:28.159 ball is softer too, But that's just that's what I 5336 04:41:28.200 --> 04:41:30.720 can do for you there. But yeah, I think I 5337 04:41:30.759 --> 04:41:32.840 think we can read the subtext in Bruno's writing as 5338 04:41:32.880 --> 04:41:34.799 to what might be animating Sid. I think I think 5339 04:41:34.799 --> 04:41:37.360 it's a fair play. I think it's it's no coincidence, 5340 04:41:37.400 --> 04:41:40.000 it's sd Sid quits the company twice in four months 5341 04:41:40.000 --> 04:41:43.479 after they institute pissed testing in November ninety one. Yeah, 5342 04:41:43.880 --> 04:41:46.279 or at least the results come in November ninety one. 5343 04:41:46.959 --> 04:41:50.639 So all that is to say that no one's better 5344 04:41:50.720 --> 04:41:52.599 at coming up with a reason to have a big 5345 04:41:52.680 --> 04:41:56.200 fit and bounce and dip than the great Sid Uty. 5346 04:41:56.919 --> 04:42:01.159 As for his opponent during this last few outings in 5347 04:42:01.279 --> 04:42:04.840 this memorable wwfron Ultimate Warrior. He did sit for a 5348 04:42:04.880 --> 04:42:08.520 shoot interview and did talk briefly here about working with Sid, 5349 04:42:08.599 --> 04:42:11.840 and I think I think, you know, kind of supports 5350 04:42:12.040 --> 04:42:14.360 at least the narrative about them going back and forth 5351 04:42:14.439 --> 04:42:18.159 on how much offense Warrior expected Sid to give to 5352 04:42:18.279 --> 04:42:19.479 him upon his return at wrestling. 5353 04:42:19.520 --> 04:42:22.959 He eight Sid came in after I left in ninety one, 5354 04:42:24.159 --> 04:42:28.080 and so we never really got to know one another. 5355 04:42:28.799 --> 04:42:33.040 And he when I came back in ninety two, just 5356 04:42:33.159 --> 04:42:34.919 like I did when I came back in ninety six 5357 04:42:35.000 --> 04:42:40.959 with Hunter Helmsley, he just misunderstood I was as a 5358 04:42:41.040 --> 04:42:44.560 businessman saying this is Ultimate Warrior. 5359 04:42:45.080 --> 04:42:47.560 I'm ultimate Warrior. 5360 04:42:47.799 --> 04:42:51.759 Is this this is the way he's accepted by the people, 5361 04:42:51.919 --> 04:42:53.799 This is how he is a money maker. 5362 04:42:54.479 --> 04:42:55.959 And he had been the guy. 5363 04:42:56.279 --> 04:42:58.479 He had been the big, tall guy with big arms 5364 04:42:58.520 --> 04:43:03.159 and big muscles and know, you know, their version of 5365 04:43:03.279 --> 04:43:07.200 intense character that they had at the time. And when 5366 04:43:07.240 --> 04:43:12.000 I came back, I mean, I think he was at 5367 04:43:12.040 --> 04:43:14.880 the least he's you know, his feelings were probably hurt 5368 04:43:15.680 --> 04:43:19.400 and at the most, you know, he was offended and 5369 04:43:19.479 --> 04:43:22.119 he wasn't going to go along with what that needed. 5370 04:43:21.919 --> 04:43:27.080 To be done, also reporting that said was officially suspended 5371 04:43:27.119 --> 04:43:28.639 for a period of no less than six weeks by 5372 04:43:28.639 --> 04:43:33.200 the w WF for unprofessional conduct, which was an all 5373 04:43:33.319 --> 04:43:35.319 encompassing term that they used back then, and they didn't 5374 04:43:35.319 --> 04:43:38.400 want to be specific as to why So left. This 5375 04:43:38.400 --> 04:43:41.759 is coming after the aforementioned scene were Sid storms out 5376 04:43:41.759 --> 04:43:43.759 of the Boston Garden after a match with Ultimate Warrior, 5377 04:43:44.240 --> 04:43:46.400 because Meltzer wrote, he was unhappy either with the way 5378 04:43:46.400 --> 04:43:48.919 they were going to the finish or the finish itself, 5379 04:43:49.840 --> 04:43:51.639 and we got all the details there as to what 5380 04:43:52.080 --> 04:43:54.599 that was about. Papa Shango, of all people, was called 5381 04:43:54.639 --> 04:43:57.319 to fill in on Sid's spots on these cards that 5382 04:43:57.400 --> 04:44:00.720 he began to miss pulled from Midwest bookings. Is they 5383 04:44:00.720 --> 04:44:03.680 were running two different circuits, two different rosters at that 5384 04:44:03.759 --> 04:44:07.159 point in time. On the house shows. There's apparently some 5385 04:44:07.240 --> 04:44:11.720 word that Sid was trying to negotiate with Japan Sunday's 5386 04:44:11.759 --> 04:44:13.520 Tokyo Sports. Meltzer wrote at the time it was the 5387 04:44:13.560 --> 04:44:14.880 board of that Justice, who was believed to have had 5388 04:44:14.919 --> 04:44:17.720 more than one year left on his WWF contract, was 5389 04:44:17.759 --> 04:44:20.080 now negotiating in New Japan, although New Japan's office didn't 5390 04:44:20.080 --> 04:44:24.360 confirm the story and so Meltzer concludes, this marks the 5391 04:44:24.479 --> 04:44:27.360 third straight year that Justice hasn't worked during this time 5392 04:44:27.439 --> 04:44:29.919 of year, I e. Softball season. 5393 04:44:30.400 --> 04:44:31.159 That's insane. 5394 04:44:32.200 --> 04:44:34.400 We close this period of our tribute to Sid and 5395 04:44:34.439 --> 04:44:36.720 our look back on his life and times with his 5396 04:44:36.840 --> 04:44:40.119 recollections of this final night in the ww F locker room, 5397 04:44:40.200 --> 04:44:42.159 of this memorable run that. 5398 04:44:43.319 --> 04:44:46.319 Just that's maybe one of the worst moments of my 5399 04:44:46.439 --> 04:44:50.200 life working with that guy. I'm not a kid yet. 5400 04:44:50.319 --> 04:44:54.040 That's when I already gave my notice and I was 5401 04:44:54.159 --> 04:44:56.319 just trying to get the fuck out of there. And 5402 04:44:57.119 --> 04:44:59.159 the first time I had to work with guy in Baltimore. 5403 04:44:59.400 --> 04:45:02.319 As he says, sim will clothes line and clothesline and 5404 04:45:02.400 --> 04:45:05.040 clothes line, and then you take a power and I'm 5405 04:45:05.040 --> 04:45:08.319 gonna shake the ropes. I said, no, Jim, I'm gonna 5406 04:45:08.560 --> 04:45:10.799 come in. I'm gonna stop you. You're gonna duck my 5407 04:45:10.880 --> 04:45:13.319 clothes line. You're gonna give me one clothes line. Then 5408 04:45:13.400 --> 04:45:15.919 you shake your ropes and he reached him to the said, 5409 04:45:16.240 --> 04:45:19.520 well the stars tell us to goy. I was looking 5410 04:45:19.560 --> 04:45:22.639 around like man, my own candle camera, and that walked 5411 04:45:22.680 --> 04:45:26.680 down to Jack Landra. This is exact exactly was that. 5412 04:45:26.720 --> 04:45:29.840 I said, landa you bet get on the phone, called Vince, 5413 04:45:30.360 --> 04:45:32.560 but said, if I have to work with this motherfucking 5414 04:45:32.639 --> 04:45:35.040 do this finish one more night, I'm gonna go home 5415 04:45:35.080 --> 04:45:37.680 and I'm not gonna answer the fucking phone. And that 5416 04:45:37.840 --> 04:45:40.040 we did in Boston the next night, and that's exactly 5417 04:45:40.080 --> 04:45:43.080 what happened. I packed my ship up, went home and 5418 04:45:43.240 --> 04:45:44.599 then't and didn't come back. 5419 04:45:46.720 --> 04:45:48.919 Indeed, he didn't. He didn't answer the call until it 5420 04:45:49.000 --> 04:45:53.080 was in fact, World Championship Wrestling calling back, and Arn 5421 04:45:53.159 --> 04:45:55.880 Anderson here he comes. 5422 04:45:57.639 --> 04:46:02.279 As a TJ said, this production its contents is intended 5423 04:46:02.319 --> 04:46:03.439 for private use only