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Speaker 1: It's the lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn

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Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling.

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Speaker 3: I never seen anything.

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Speaker 2: And it's the laps fan man like the one in

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the ring.

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Speaker 3: Forget about Sado. He the real king of swing. When

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the bell goes in the kick like me throwing in

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the corner, but gets rash like stick even Jerry King

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gets take off. The crowd nodded in his head like

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its Steve low Brown. Would you get low down? We

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go even high up?

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Speaker 4: Flipp you on your head, But you know cool driver,

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you speak more and Dragon spits fire give you more

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shock than when he treats higher drop a more truth

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than the.

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Speaker 5: Con of sniper unless you with a coconut, Roddy Pipper

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Jack a JP. He like j h D drop the

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cupcakes and gold the brain Bob means the best podcast

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Frost start the close cloud if you are I've been.

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Speaker 3: He's a classic and pose.

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Speaker 6: We've called Sid many things over the years, but as

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we get to the portion of his run where he

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made it the World Wrestling Federation for the first time

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in nineteen ninety one, I just can't shake my year's

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long obsession. In fact, probably if you can consider it

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something that formed in this era in my childhood, probably

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a lifelong obsession with Why do I always say the

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Revolutionary Sid Justice. Yes, if we have kicked this around

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for years on the cast, and if you don't know

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the genesis of it, it's just for some reason. As

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a kid, I swore they framed him on television when

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he first came in as the baby face said Justice

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as the Revolutionary Sid Justice. Now I don't know. I mean,

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this is also someone who thought VK thunder Wiger was

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a WCW wrestler. As I look at the custom Hasbro

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created by a member of the Solar System as a

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Christmas gift of the irs, has Bro with fucking juice

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and liger Head peace on.

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Speaker 3: But it's just this is it?

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Speaker 6: This is that's all to say that this is the

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ninety one ninety two blue tight Sid Justice to Sid

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Justice to heel. Yes, from an enabler and a helper

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and an ally of Hulkogan to a WrestleMania opponent an enemy.

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I mean, honestly, that's why we're here, That's why where

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it really is. It's it's it's it's it's you know this,

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it's funny how and and.

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Speaker 3: You know, these feuds, these feuds more than and this

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time period, more than anything, these were the the feuds

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that really sunk in, you know, for some reason, even

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though you know, you think about this run being so short,

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and it is, it's less than a year, but these

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were monumental moments that made like, to me, Hogan and

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Sid were the quintessential foes because of this. And it's

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the reason why even though this was you know, the

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only program they had was from the you know, SummerSlam

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ninety one until that Saturn Night's main event, but Savage

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and Jake Roberts, right, it's like they never wrestled again

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after that.

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Speaker 6: We're setting for our generation, which is the generation that

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supports this whole nostalgia wrestling podcast Boom, by the way,

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didn't see a lot of nostalgia pods for the eighties

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doing the kind of numbers the Hasbro Kid ended up doing,

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creating an entire industry. Basically, it's the archetypes for a

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certain type of face versus a certain type of heel.

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Sid and Hogan and Randy and Jake Yep, yeah, that's

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pretty much and you can see the world in those

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four characters. I'm not saying they were the best, but

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I'm saying what they the positions they occupied to us

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as fans in that era are the positions pretty much

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any heel you can think of in any face you

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can think of an American wrestling and occupied if they

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were successful.

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Speaker 3: And also too, when you think about the fact that

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that Rick Flair, you know, with champion from the Royal

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Rumble until WrestleMania and that's it. Really you know, he

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was champion for like two months, but it seemed like

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a lifetimes.

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Speaker 6: Things just simmered on the stove.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's the it's the same broad strokes

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as why you know, everything was pretty much better because

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everything had time to marinate. You know, anyone who enjoys

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fine cuisine knows anyone who enjoys fuck fine cuisine. Anyone

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who enjoys well cooked food knows the difference. They know

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low and slow on anyone who enjoys cuisine right, low

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and slow. That's right, And if the business is set

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up to not allow low and slow, it is by

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definition inferior to the former presentation.

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Speaker 3: That's correct.

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Speaker 6: You're not holding it against the current presentation that it

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has to be that way. We get the market conditions

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and understand that the fans don't care. But I'm telling

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you it used to be a much more satisfying fan experience.

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That's why we stand here. That's why we have the

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audience we do. That's why Conrad has the audience he does.

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That's why anybody who talks about wrestlers from this era

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have the audience that they do. Because it was pitch

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perfect in terms of sinking in your brain. Well, we

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were preparing for this episode, I said, hey, boss, you

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know this is I thought, this is a wild shot?

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Speaker 7: Is it?

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Speaker 6: Are there WWF magazine articles maybe like one from when

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Sid was a face when he first came into WWF

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and then Sid as a as a heel after returned

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on Hogan that that you would you might, you know,

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remember from your childhood that we could bring up in

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this episode, like instantaneously, Yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no question, They're right there, they're ready, and.

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Speaker 6: There's not an article that anybody's going to think of

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that's a fan in twenty twenty four, in fifteen years,

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that epitomizes what it meant to be a fan of wrestling,

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at that point in time, there will be no such thing.

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And that's inferior for sure. And that's inferior. So here

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we are, and you were ready, you ready to go,

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and oh yeah, we're going to unload. I'm actually going

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to send one to you. Become tasty. The first one

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be until we hit record.

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Speaker 3: That's right. So the first one actually is from the

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December nineteen ninety one issue of the ww magazine with

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Sid on the cover, and the first said w w

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F magazine cover. Ever, Yeah, I believe so, I believe so.

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I don't think he had any I don't think he

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did any stuff leading up to SummerSlam that I that

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I'm Noah. But I remember this cover very well, very vividly,

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because it was one of the covers where they would

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kind of when they were to offer uh back issues

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or they would talk about, you know, you need to

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subscribe to w w WE magazine. It was it was

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one of these, oh that's insane, how big this file is?

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Speaker 6: Actually, the all scams aren't credit equal from a bandwidth perspective.

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I've noticed this.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to see if I can just give you

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the time, but you're ready to go.

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Speaker 6: You're ready to fire instantly. Oh yeah, Sid was that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had. I mean, there was there was this

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dread of mine as a as a fan that he was.

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I can remember all the magazines that he was that

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he was featured in all of them because they were

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so they were so monumental to me and uh and

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Speaker 6: And I like, how you put fear on it, because

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as part of our Sid tribute here at TLF, it did.

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were talking about with fear. At first, I was like, really, like,

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you know, Sid turning on Hogan created a fear and

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kind of revisited how he turns on Hogan, the things

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he does to Jabroni's on the way to WrestleMania Aid,

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the way he presents himself on promos, how psychotic he

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gets with Harvey Whippleman at his side, I'm like, yeah,

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you know, there was fear. There was fear that this

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guy was not going to register Hogan's offense.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, he there was a I mean not

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only that, but there was a uh uh it felt

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like he he he would not, He just wouldn't. Hogan

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couldn't do anything against him. Yeah, is what it felt like.

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Speaker 6: In a different way than even Undertaker, who was, you know,

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invincible to everything. It wasn't even similar. But it was

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like Sid wasn't dead, he wasn't supernatural. He was just

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this guy that like that, just Hogan could not you know, puncture.

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Right when he choked slams Hogan, it wrestlemaniated, who's your dumb?

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You know that moment? Yes, he cuts him off. Hogan's

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like running wild for a second. He cuts him off

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and choke slams him. It came right back to me

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watching it preparing for this episode. I'm sure we went

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nuts about it when we did WrestleMania eight ten years

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ago in the archives as part of the thirty week

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WrestleMania Journey. That that that's where your heart sinks as

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Holk the maniacurate, oh fuckes like this guy just shut

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a it's a very it's a petrifying

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baby face, you know these this is essential. Uh uh,

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it's it's it's like, wait a minute, what the fuck?

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Speaker 6: And we act like Survivor Series ninety six is kind

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of like the first time that that rabid fan base

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just kind of punctures through the narrative and cheers Sid

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destroying the squeaky clean baby face. I'll tell you at

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who's your nome, which of course is you know, the

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biggest crowd Sid ever worked in front of those people.

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I mean there were there were Sid rules the world

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and when he choked slams Hogan. The people that want

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to see a change, the people that that booed when

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Hogan pull said out of the ninety two rumble and

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in spirit and they were loud yes, and they were like,

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this is what we want to see happened to Haul Cogan.

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Speaker 3: This is the man, this is what we want. We

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Speaker 6: Over and it's so amazing that, like Vince, as we

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talked about last weekend, as we'll talk about this week,

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brings in sid under the guise of Hogan's spot. Right,

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Hogan's spot is available to you said, if those are

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the terms that you're going to come in on, and

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that of course is a babyface role. As circumstances morph,

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he becomes a heel for the WrestleMania match. But still

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when he turns heel is when you can hear some

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of the most vocal crowd support for him replacing someone

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at top of the card. If he was the top

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babyface i'llah like Alex Luger, And they presented him that way,

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which as we'll get to they really tried to in

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the early stages of him is said Justice Justice. The

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reason they gave him that name was it's a babyface name. Remember,

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he's going to come to bring justice to the World

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Wrestling Federation, right exactly. He was going to do on

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behalf of hul Cogan. But it's after that, it's when

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he starts with the black trunks and just destroying people

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that you actually hear a crowd reaction tant him out

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to someone that could be top of the card. The

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said Justice who came in before turning Hill was not

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top of the card necessarily. I mean, certainly he would

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have been in main events, but I don't think anyone

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would have thirsted for him to succeed as much as

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they as much as that Voe local subculture of fans

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Hulk Cochin through that time. But as we'll get to

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is very quickly, the bloom was off the rose. As

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it regards Sid and WWS, I do.

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Speaker 3: Want to say too, uh. You know, there was the

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question and the actually made me think so regarding Bo

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his twin brother, when you know when he was in WCW,

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was he was Bow Bow vicious?

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Speaker 6: I didn't, no he I mean I had the Galub

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Sid but yeah, but I played with the Galube Sid

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as Sid Justice the w W a wrestler, and I

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a separate tag team. I see it was as if

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it wasn't as if one half of the Justice Brothers

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was the guy who wrestled Hulk Cochin and WrestleMania eight

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that for some reason was the said vicious Galube. I see,

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which we failed to mention last week. By the way,

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are you aware that there's a UK sid galube with

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with with a pink sing glead on. Yes, I've seen it.

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I mean, fucking hell, boss, it's crazy. What what what's

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going on over there? I know, I know, Josh, the

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figure the UK, the UK glubs are are really remarkable.

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And then we had a lot of them. They have

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the free birds, they had a lot of ones. We

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didn't get Dustin Dustin Rhoades, you know, just a whole

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line of And there's a pink sid looking at me

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the other day on my Google search, like what.

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Speaker 3: It's not okay. It's not okay that you couldn't access.

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Speaker 6: That, right, it's not okay that I had no idea

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until this age that it existed, and that right, I

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had not a prayer pre Internet of ever getting my

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hands on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Never, you never would have been able to, like,

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you know.

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Speaker 6: That's another thing, by the way, in twenty years, nobody's

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going to look up something and say, oh my god,

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that existed. I had no idea, yep, because you always

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have an idea the world.

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Speaker 3: That's right, there's nothing special and.

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Speaker 6: Things are manufactured with that knowledge in mind. Things just

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things are marketed with the knowledge that every single person

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whoever might want to buy this is going to be

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sort of micro targeted from an advertising and marketing perspective.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's like you're.

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Speaker 6: Gonna know about it because they know the age you

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have to be to care about this new figure that

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they're rolling out, because they come out with figures based

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on studies of like, yes, who has the biggest propensity

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to spend? Who who's aged into actually having an income

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to afford fucking one hundred and fifty dollars action figures?

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Speaker 3: So ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: We're a very strange place, boss, And I don't know

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what the other side of it looks like, but going

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through it is a very strange, strange situation.

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Speaker 3: So then I actually wanted one more thing about the

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the Bo Justice Brothers. So obviously there was no then

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there was no Psycho Sid. There was no like Biko

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Biko by Bo or something. Now you know, there wasn't Bow. Yeah, yeah,

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it's a great point. I didn't bother to update, Like

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when I played with my SID toys, even in ninety six,

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I was still thinking about Sid Justice in WWF and

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Sid vicious and ww artists not thinking that Psycho Sid

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I was not slotting them that way in anyway. Someone

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made a great point, and we'll get to a feedback

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episod eventually because people are writing great letters about Sid.

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We're seeing them and we're loving them. Just in case

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you're wondering, and please send your recollections on his the

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meaning of his career to the lapsed fan at gmail

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dot com.

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Speaker 6: But a great point. I mean, Hogan, the first Hogan

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Hasbro had the same body slam motion that the Sid

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Hasbro had. Yes, but for Hogan it was a body slam,

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and for Sid it's a power bomb. Yes, and that's

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problematic to me, Yes it is. It is definitely problematic.

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There's no there's no question about that. It's but that's

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what they did.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and I do believe even that the that

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the arms are actually the same too, They're the same

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right arm mold I bet.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I'm thinking about it. That probably was the

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best body type for Sid though of all the Hasbro

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body types.

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Speaker 3: Uh oh yeah, I think so. I think it would

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have been. It wouldn't have been as good had you know,

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I can't imagine another I mean, I guess, yeah, no,

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not even like one of the I was trying to

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think of, like in terms of picking up someone in

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the power bomb with that, you know, with a figure

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like I suppose you could do it with the with

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the arm with the spring in it, the spring loaded arm. Yeah,

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but I still don't think it would have been as

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like it really worked with him. I thought he, I

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may Sid do great power bombs with the Hasbro one

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before his head fell off.

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Speaker 6: And the reason we thirsted for that Hasbro this run,

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as short as it was, this run and as much

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more meaningful to his career accomplishments his ninety six ninety seven,

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ninety seven run was I was on go ninety eight

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that to stop myself. This, even though it was much

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more truncated, you know, was the run that burned him

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into fans' minds in such a way that he could

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come back and be an impact player. Yes, in ninety

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five and in ninety six. So we have to, really,

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I think, take our time and observe what exactly happened

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here with Sid in such a short period of time

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to have basically you know, caught fire to where he

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would just be able to write his own check for

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the rest of his life. I mean what he did

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come back in ninety five, he was sort of, as

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he put it, on the whipping post, there was sort

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of like a tail between my legs because I stabbed

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narn Anderson. You know, there's nowhere else for me to

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make big money in the business kind of situation. But

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it is only a matter of time before he was

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on top again. You know, that's the thing about Sid

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like he knows that even if you come in trying

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to slot him below, eventually something's gonna happen where you've

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got to push a guy that looks like that, right

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of course, if you're working for Vince mcmannon. But you know,

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the same thing went for WCW as well when he

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came in to WCW after the late nineties run. But

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you know, it's funny. It seems so far away the

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episode of RO nineteen ninety seven that we structured this

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tribute show around. We will get there, we assure you,

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But as always, Ta Left takes its fucking time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's right.

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Speaker 6: Let's sit there and you will fold your hands and

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you will listen while class is in session, and you'll

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keep your fucking mouth shut. In terms of any other suggestions. Sid,

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Sid's the fucking teacher, okay in this one. Yeah, exactly.

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We're going about this tribute show precisely as Sid would

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go about anything in his life, exactly, dictating all terms

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at all times and threatening to leave if anybody makes

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a dank ors.

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Speaker 3: And also listen, he's keeping a very close eye on

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the Viennas and.

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Speaker 6: We will not hesitate to disappear and play softball if

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you piss us off either, So keep that in mind.

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But yeah, in terms of the Viennas, I mean people

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people forget about the Vienna's is that it's it's a

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quid pro quote system.

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Speaker 8: You sent my church a case Vienna sausages and I

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sent him an autograph picture.

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Speaker 6: Right that on a Sean Moody interview where he gave

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a shout out to some guy in Pennsylvania, he gives

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his almost exact address on the air in his full.

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Speaker 8: Name, such a he sent my church a case of

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Vienna sausages, and I sent him an autograph picture.

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Speaker 3: A case of Vienna's.

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Speaker 6: So I think you text if I'm not mistaken, when

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you texted me a picture of Viennas, that was you

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in in the supermarket I was in the supermarket. You're

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not the only person in this position after our part one. Huh,

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tell him the story. You're not the only person in

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this position after our part one.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just I'm walking through the I'm walking through

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the grocery store and uh and all. And you know,

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it's like, I never really, I never noticed them before.

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I never noticed Vienna sausages before at all. But you know,

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I'm in whatever canned food section that that that the

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viennas are in, and I'm like, holy shit, look at

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them all. There's so many. It's a key form of sustidence.

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I guess it is not my sustenance. But we have

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these these.

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Speaker 6: Pop top events at the church. Oh my god, somebody

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in the solar system, you know, actually found like the

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church is listing for the food drive, and Sid was

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constantly referencing his church in Memphis there. It's just amazing

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that it came down to so many viennas. Still have

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in my mind that sort of like relief painting of

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him looking forlornly on a full garage of undelivered viennas

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at three point thirty in the morning, realizing what this

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means and what he has to.

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Speaker 3: Do next, hands and his hips, just staring at them.

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Speaker 6: Pasture, his hands hanging by his side. Almost, he's almost

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he's almost christ Like on the cross, you know, with

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a hung head. You know, the hands aren't up, the

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hands are down, but the head is similar and that

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it's kind of bowed and and sort of you.

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Speaker 3: Know, so depressed, so angry. Yeah, just he's just he

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just realized, I'm sure of what to do with all

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these Vienna's.

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Speaker 6: He's unsure. He just knows that now he's got to

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really ramp up the pressure to get these now, you know.

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He he you know, we told himself he wouldn't have

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to it wouldn't have to come to this, right.

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Speaker 8: He trusted Frank, He said, my church a case of

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Vienna sausages, and I sent him an autograph picture.

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Speaker 6: Kind of pissed that we missed the opportunity to get

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an autograph picture.

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Speaker 3: That's true. If I if I had known all it

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took was sending Vienna sausages, I would have I would

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have done that.

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Speaker 6: Certainly would have kept him for myself. I can tell

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you that much package of crackers, ball water. That's how

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he says it. Oh my God, and the moon pile

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or oatmeal.

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Speaker 3: Pie poon, tang pile, the whole fucking thing. Shit.

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Speaker 6: So the challenge is out. I led with this for

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a reason. If anybody in the Solar system can find

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me an isolated clip from WWF television where they refer

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to him as the revolutionary one or the revolution or

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even say the word revolutionary about Sid, well we'll figure

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out some kind of Maybe we'll send you some viennas.

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I don't know your box of viennas, definitely give you

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a shout out, because I was sort of like animated

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by the possibility that if I went through Sid's WWF run,

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especially this first one, which is where it had to

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have come from, because I remember.

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Speaker 3: Saying, I thought you actually said to me once that

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it came from his final WCW run.

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Speaker 6: That wouldn't make any sense because I was calling him

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the revolutionary when I was a.

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Speaker 3: Little kid, no kidding, all right, because I always remember

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you putting it because he was something having to do

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with the fact that he was what the millennium man

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or something like that, he was the millennium man, yep.

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And then because then I have him, you know, if

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you remember in my uh I actually started calling Sid

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in In No Mercy. He you know, I had a

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a created version of six because they didn't have him

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in the game, and I listed him as the revolutionary

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Sid Justice. And but then, but then I also made

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a version of him. You could, you can make four versions,

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remember on one on one body. And so I created

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a version of him wearing the singlet from w CW

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and I called him the pre revolutionary Sid Vicious.

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Speaker 6: It was before you were right, when this was still

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a Commonwealth we still answered to the British crown.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that that was the UK Glube one, the pre

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revolutionary one.

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Speaker 3: That's right. It's exactly what it was.

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Speaker 6: Just you know, I thought revolutionary. I thought I would

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stumble upon it. I thought I thought it'd stumble upon

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a thread I could pull going back through his run

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for this tribute episode where I could finally isolate where

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he was called the revolutionary one.

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Speaker 3: And I couldn't do it. I didn't find it. So

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we turn it over to I bet it's on some

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you know, episode of like Superstars or something. Had to

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be and I felt like it was said. I felt

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like it was said in a positive tone, So it

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had to be when he was a Babyface. Yeah, yeah,

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so there you go.

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Speaker 6: The gauntlet's been laid down on the on the revolutionary front.

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As it regards our old pal Sid, We're here to

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figure out what his career meant. And you know, do

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what we do here when we lose somebody that's a

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00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,960
core memory to the cast of characters that set us

477
00:22:40,039 --> 00:22:43,599
on this irretrievable road of wrestling obsession for the rest

478
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,160
of our lives. No matter what it is we try

479
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,960
to do to to regulate it or mitigate it, we

480
00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:51,240
keep coming back to this true north of the Hasbro

481
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,079
era and Sid played a huge part in that. And

482
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we're about to hear in the pages of the in

483
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House magazine what, among the other things we'll be talking

484
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,680
about on this episode, the WWF soft fit to communicate

485
00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:04,839
about Sid, how they wanted us to feel about Sid.

486
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And somewhere in New Hampshire, the boss Man was sitting

487
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down with this magazine and I'm sure.

488
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Speaker 3: I was too.

489
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Speaker 6: Well, as you read it, perhaps I'll get familiar taking

490
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in I will.

491
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Speaker 3: So this is this is the interview. So I'm going

492
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,200
to need you to read. Oh, this is one of

493
00:23:20,279 --> 00:23:22,319
those Q and as. Yeah, this is a Q and

494
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a thing okay, great, Yeah, we still love those. It's

495
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so great.

496
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Speaker 6: I used to read those with so much intent intent.

497
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All right, so they're numbered, I see.

498
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Speaker 3: There we go.

499
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Speaker 6: Yeah, talk with Sid Justice WWF interview And this again

500
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is decemmer to anyone, decemmer to any one at the

501
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Survivor series. Sid Justice will have the opportunity to settle

502
00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:43,640
this differences with Jake the Snake once and for all.

503
00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:47,160
Now I'm going to constantly interrupt myself and interrupt you,

504
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,119
as everybody knows, that match didn't happen.

505
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 3: Did not happen? Well yeah, well you know it wasn't

506
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,680
supposed to be one on one. It was supposed to

507
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,720
be Sid captaining the team of Big boss Man and

508
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:03,559
legiing to Doom against Jake Irwin and the natural Disasters.

509
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,759
Speaker 6: And who ended up replacing Sid and said match none.

510
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,880
They just they it went down to being a three

511
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,839
on three excellent, which is the only time it's ever

512
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,279
Tarvisary's history it's been a six man tag instead of

513
00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:18,160
an eight or a five man massive. Yeah, as massive

514
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,240
as I never knew that either. I never knew that

515
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,200
Sid that that that they kind of because he had

516
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,359
it was like a he broke his arm or something

517
00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:26,880
torn bicep, SID torn by set and he did it.

518
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If I'm putting the post pieces together quickly in a

519
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,400
match against Jake Roberts. It was not a fan of Sids,

520
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and the feeling was mutual. The feeling was very much mutual.

521
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:39,200
So it's really rich that we start with that truncated

522
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or a plan that wasn't one of the w w

523
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F getting its taste of signing up Sid to the

524
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big bucks. And then he's on the shelf almost in course.

525
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Speaker 3: It's not a damn it son of a bitch.

526
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Speaker 6: Tore my boss set. But I'm a d H so

527
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,640
I can still play softball.

528
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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, what do you mean softball?

529
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Speaker 6: I'm just I'm just a d H.

530
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Speaker 1: D H.

531
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Speaker 3: I don't understand what what a d d H? Drivers?

532
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 6: Drivers go ahead? Uh uh what are you gonna say?

533
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 3: Driver? Driver's hymen? Is that what you're saying?

534
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 6: Oh, that's one way to refer to driving school designated

535
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:26,079
to hit?

536
00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: What I mean to hit?

537
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 9: What? Uh?

538
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 3: Am a softball professional ship? We choose me? You're I

539
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,720
don't know about that, but you are immediately he immediately

540
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:43,960
takes that away from him, just like calling j r

541
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or whatever somewhat of a journalist.

542
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Speaker 6: Can't help get that word in there.

543
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you are a professional entertainer, you know,

544
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:56,200
working for the w w E. But I don't know

545
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,400
about this this softball thing. I mean, obviously you're you're injured,

546
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,799
but it doesn't and you can go play other childish games.

547
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 6: That doesn't mean you can go play other childish games.

548
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 3: WWE. It's a childish game, right, other right.

549
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 6: In addition to this one said in the Snake are

550
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,160
eagerly anticipating this impending pay per view showdown? Do you

551
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,160
remember caring about that? Do you remember caring about Sid

552
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,119
getting his hands on Jake.

553
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,839
Speaker 3: I did no clue at that time. No clue. My

554
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,960
fan and forget my fandom started the week before amazing

555
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:40,039
Survivor series, so I had no clue about this whole thing.

556
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,480
And how phenomenal is it that we sit here ten

557
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,119
years on and in many ways we're re visiting our

558
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,079
very first episode in that time period. Yes, that's very true.

559
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 6: Summer Slam ninety one where Sid comes on pay per

560
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,519
view for the first time a special referee, and then

561
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,640
it's the postmatch scenario where Liz and Randy Savage are

562
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,720
having their reception or whatever the hell it was. Yeah,

563
00:26:59,759 --> 00:27:02,720
because get married on the show. And then this, you know,

564
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,839
Jake sees fit to deliver a snake to them as

565
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a wedding president.

566
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Speaker 3: And it's Sid right that comes to save the day,

567
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,119
uh and help out against the undertaker, and and and Jake.

568
00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:19,559
Speaker 6: That's when they obviously still an invited.

569
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 3: Guest of despite being a brand new, brand new to

570
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,240
the company, he's an invited guest to the wedding reception

571
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,839
of Brandy and Elizabeth.

572
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,759
Speaker 6: I wonder if they dared tell us even maybe just

573
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,599
once that you know their ties biden quite a bit.

574
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,880
Remember from part one it was Sid striking up a

575
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,799
conversation with Randy Savage so they could play off that

576
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:44,279
they have some history together. But yeah, I don't think

577
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,240
they did. I'm sure they didn't, but there you go.

578
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,119
Jake was kind of the setup man to get Sid

579
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,680
going as the at the top, as one of the

580
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,359
top baby faces in the company. So that's that's an

581
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,720
interesting what if that never never materialized. By the time

582
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:02,880
he was back, they were thinking he'll already apparently, uh,

583
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,680
Sid and the snake or igler anticipating guests the editors

584
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,400
here at WWF Magazine recently caught up with Justice. He

585
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,400
told us how he felt about the snake. He told

586
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,759
us how he felt about.

587
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: This River series.

588
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 6: In fact, he told us everything that we and our

589
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,599
readers wanted to know about himself. So, without any further ado,

590
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,960
WWF Magazine brings you this interview with Sid Justice. Sid,

591
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,200
let's talk about the macho man in Miss Elizabeth's ms

592
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:29,839
Dot Miss Elizabeth's wedding reception for a moment, as you recall,

593
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,279
Jake the snake crashed the wedding reception and menaced Elizabeth

594
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,039
with a venomous Asian cobra. Thank goodness for you. Had

595
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:38,319
it not been for your timely intervention, there is no

596
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,480
telling what might have happened. Can you tell us what

597
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,559
was going through your mind when you saw the snake

598
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,599
with the serpent in his hands, intimidating Miss Elizabeth? Matcho,

599
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:51,240
that's what it says, okay, Miss ms Dot Elizabeth, Macho.

600
00:28:55,279 --> 00:29:01,119
Speaker 3: Right was gone through my mind. I guess who deserves

601
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:05,920
another man who destroys another man's wedding party must be

602
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:10,200
lower than dung in my mind, and I'm sure in

603
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:13,680
the minds of millions of people Jake Roberts, is that

604
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,559
type of man well at the Survivor series. Jake Roberts,

605
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,519
you are gonna see what type of man Sit Justice is.

606
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:27,440
You're gonna see what sit Justice stands for.

607
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 7: You.

608
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,319
Speaker 3: Lucky, Jake Roberts, You were lucky you left that wedding

609
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,559
reception when you did, because Ah was inches away from

610
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:40,880
busting you upen like a million. He looks like I'll

611
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,079
get my chance at the Survivor series in a few weeks.

612
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 6: I can't believe the syntax of the sentence. Not what

613
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:53,960
do you think your strategy will be? Instead? What do

614
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:57,000
you think will be your strategy? We listen, We're gonna

615
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,599
do it in proper English. What do you think will

616
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,359
be your strategy moving forward in the WB and regarding

617
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,000
this potential, we have to cut the second half of

618
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:08,480
that for space. I just hope it's okay.

619
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Speaker 3: H m hm. Straight ahead, Jake Roberts. I can assure

620
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:26,599
you this off will be coming after you and you only.

621
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,480
I don't care about anybody else on your team. You

622
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,960
are my only concern. AH will give you the pain

623
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:39,160
that you gave the Macho men, Elizabeth, but I'll give

624
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,319
it to you tenfold.

625
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 6: It sounds as if you're out to seek retribution on

626
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:43,599
behalf of the MACHOs?

627
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,279
Speaker 3: Are we right behalf of the MACHOs?

628
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:47,359
Speaker 6: It says it man.

629
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: Randy Savage is a man of pride. He is a

630
00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:00,160
man who values and protects his family. He's a man

631
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:07,119
whom I trust. He's a friend. Unfortunately, because of some

632
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,319
bureaucredit garbage coming out of WW President Jack Tunny's offices,

633
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:17,559
he hasn't been reinstated as a WW superstar. That doesn't

634
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:19,599
mean he can't take care of the snake at the

635
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,759
present time. Well, that means he can't take care of

636
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:28,079
the snake at the present day. We're live, said, what

637
00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:30,720
can we do that again? Please a ship? Yeah, so,

638
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,400
as Randy Savage's friend ah Am seeking revenge for him

639
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,480
and his wife, he can't do it, but sid justice will.

640
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 6: That's loyalty. These days, it's rare to see loyalty and

641
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,480
real friendship and professional athletics. It seems to us that

642
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:45,599
said justice just maybe cut from a different cloth.

643
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: I guess it has to do with my upbringing. You know,

644
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:51,720
I was raised on a farm in West Memphis, Arkansas,

645
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:56,000
by my grandfather, who fortunately was stricken with polio. He

646
00:31:56,119 --> 00:32:00,519
taught me many things my grandfather did. He taught me

647
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,559
many things my grandfather did. He taught me to respect

648
00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:08,559
everyone around me, because that's the best way to get respect.

649
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:13,079
He also taught me to help people who need help.

650
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:19,279
Because of people you help today might be helping you tomorrow.

651
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:21,279
I's a father.

652
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:26,759
Speaker 10: My grandfather knows all about that, because all the livestock

653
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,759
he raises and all the vegetables he grows help hungry

654
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,720
people survive every day of the week.

655
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:40,519
Speaker 3: Randy Savage needs my help. His wife needs my help.

656
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:49,279
Jake Roberts, Jake Roberts needs a major beating, and you

657
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:54,000
are looking at the man who deliver it. At the

658
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,160
Striver Series.

659
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,559
Speaker 6: That may very well be the case.

660
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:56,759
Speaker 3: Sid.

661
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,599
Speaker 6: However, even you must realize that Roberts is a snake

662
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,599
at heart. He's unpredictable, he's untrustworthy. He's the type of

663
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,319
man who will feign an injury in the ring and

664
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,559
then strike, and then strike when you least expected. At

665
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,000
the Survivors Series, he'll be captaining three other athletes. It's

666
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,240
possible that he could send his teammates into battle and

667
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:14,720
wait for his chance to cut you down.

668
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:17,599
Speaker 3: Are you aware of this? I'm aware of it, and

669
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,960
I'm prepared for it. It's true. Roberts is his snake

670
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:26,480
at heart, and he's capable of anything. Most men would

671
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:29,559
be frightened knowing the fact. But sit justice is the

672
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,680
top of man who fears no man said, justice is

673
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:39,960
the top of man through fierce, no snake, Jake Roberts,

674
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,519
your sins can never be forgiven by anybody. So, Jake

675
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,279
Roberts at the Survivor series, there is only one solution,

676
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,119
and that is justice will be served.

677
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 6: We thank you very much for your time.

678
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:59,279
Speaker 2: Sid He Wrestling podcast.

679
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and can.

680
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,599
Speaker 6: You see It's Real Simple. That's one of his favorites.

681
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: See It's real simple.

682
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 6: I like the biographical sketch in there about his father

683
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:30,000
and polio and all that. See, they're trying to get

684
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:33,480
him across as somebody that you know is from humble beginning,

685
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:35,719
somebody who knows right from wrong.

686
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 3: That the thing appreciates justice.

687
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 6: He appreciates justice, the thing Vince, the many things Vince

688
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,000
wants to believe about an American hero. Even though the

689
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:46,320
tide was turning as the eighties became the nineties, I believe.

690
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: That I am a a living, breathing example of justice

691
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,639
being served. Wow you think so?

692
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 6: Doesn't that remain to be seen? What doesn't that remain

693
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:59,400
to be seen?

694
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:03,199
Speaker 3: I am Listen, I am I am just and I

695
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,920
am Ice.

696
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 6: That's fucking sick Just plus Ice. Well, I'll tell you.

697
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,119
If there's justice in this world, the types of which SID,

698
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,800
the types of which SID Justice promised to bring to

699
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,960
the World Wrestling Federation in nineteen ninety one, then our

700
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,280
good pal Gabe is going to continue, Oh yes, to

701
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,320
receive the outpouring of support from the TLF Solar system

702
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:34,920
that thus far.

703
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,559
Speaker 3: Are sending you the cover of the magazine to look

704
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:39,280
at Oh God, that is.

705
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 6: Oh look at him.

706
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: Look at him.

707
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,519
Speaker 6: He looks ready to fucking go.

708
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 11: Oh yeah.

709
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,159
Speaker 6: But he's got an intensity in his eyes that doesn't

710
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:50,519
say crazy. It says no, like you don't want to

711
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,800
face me down in a saloon somewhere right exactly. You

712
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,440
don't want this smoke And he knew how to roll

713
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,760
a fat blunt, as Tracy Smothers told us. Yeah, Gabe,

714
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,519
the support is real, and we want to send another

715
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:08,280
reminder this week that one of the truest, bluest, longest standing,

716
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,679
most tenured most real members of the Solar System needs

717
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,159
our help as he faces an intense heart surgery coming

718
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,280
up next month and it's going to do a number

719
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,840
on the household finances his wife and child, and so

720
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,880
we're seeking to help. We've done what we can. Many

721
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,800
in the Solar System have done what you can as well,

722
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:26,960
But just a reminder, if you're sort of on the fence,

723
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,679
if you didn't hear the call, please consider helping Gabe

724
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:32,679
out so that it's as the stress is as mitigated

725
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,119
as much as possible going into such an intense surgery

726
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,599
like this. The best way to do it, since the

727
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:39,599
go fund me you URLs tend to be kind of choppy,

728
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,480
is just google Gabe yoakum that's Gabe last name, yo

729
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:47,719
cum go fund me and you'll see it, and you'll

730
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,559
see donations from many members of the Solar System. I

731
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,760
suppose several of the anonymous donors that came to the

732
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,360
table after we did the shout out on our last

733
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,280
episode were inspired by tlfs so and gave knows you

734
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,159
know how many of you are and the appreciation runs deep.

735
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,840
But we feel obliged what we shared. The link to

736
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,559
the gofund me as well on our ex account, So

737
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:09,920
if you scroll down a bit, you should be able

738
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,360
to see some recent retweets from us as well. But

739
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,079
please do consider helping him out. This is what it's about.

740
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:18,480
I mean, this is TLFX. You know, it's it's been

741
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:20,679
a virtuous circle since the beginning. It's been a virtuous

742
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:23,000
circle ever since we realized when we set up the

743
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,639
Patreon that there are people out there that love this

744
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,559
shit so much, that are so willing to say keep going,

745
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,840
that they put money on the table, you know, that

746
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,639
huge right that it became from there. Okay, well, you

747
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,239
keep telling us how badly you need it, and we'll

748
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,400
keep working harder, you know, spending more on things like

749
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:45,039
research and you know, overturning every stone we possibly can,

750
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:47,760
and just growing and growing and growing and growing what

751
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,519
tlf can be. How about just creating a whole separate

752
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,639
movie podcast for patreons that, seriously, that is now an

753
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:56,400
indispensable part of every everyone who pledges in that denomination

754
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,599
in Hire's life, as far as I can tell from

755
00:37:58,639 --> 00:38:02,199
my vantage point. So it's this is part of the ecosystem,

756
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:04,360
This is part of the bargain, and so we call

757
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,920
on you to help Gabe in a time of need,

758
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:12,840
and we'll be standing here resolute in our mission to

759
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,760
support you guys with casting. That's what we can do.

760
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,920
That's why you cared about us in the first place.

761
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,599
That's why you will continue to care about us. That's

762
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,719
the extent of what we can do is just cast

763
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,400
and cast and cast and cast past ten years and beyond.

764
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:28,280
So big shout out there. Also, big shout out speaking

765
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,519
of TLFX Games to our forens at Garage Beer, Yes,

766
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,360
who have been wonderful supporters of the TLFX Games tournament,

767
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,079
which just continues to take on a life of its

768
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,800
own since we last were with you. Voting has concluded

769
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,119
in the second round of our initially sixty four character

770
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:46,880
tournament to determine who is thirty two whatever it was,

771
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,440
to determine the greatest character in LAPS fan history. And

772
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:51,480
it's getting tight.

773
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 3: It is, it really is. It's very uh, it's very exciting.

774
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 6: So there is this, you know you've been hearing from

775
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,840
them the t l FX Games event center and Boss,

776
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,599
what did you think?

777
00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 12: What was that?

778
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 6: What do you think about the latest round?

779
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 12: Oh?

780
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,559
Speaker 3: I was I'll tell you, I was very intrigued by

781
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,280
that there were two, that there were two battles that

782
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,920
were neck and neck for the whole time. You know

783
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:29,320
that it was a Vern and Andre and what should

784
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,280
we call it? And uh and Jesse and the editor

785
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:37,079
unreal that was intense and Jesse winning by only like

786
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:37,760
one percent.

787
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,599
Speaker 6: Thought we let him in the debates. I mean, you

788
00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:42,960
imagine if we didn't let him in the debates, it

789
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,960
would have happened. I know, exactly. So really really getting

790
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,400
interesting as folks are now really having to decide. You know,

791
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,159
we're talking like lapsed canon heart like like folks that

792
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,440
you just consider indispensable parts of the rogues gallery of

793
00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:59,679
characters that we've created organically over the years on the show.

794
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,639
And I can't wait to see who ultimately crowned King

795
00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:04,239
of the cast. But it has come down to lapsed

796
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,000
bulldog who eliminated our subject at du jour. Here on

797
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,480
the Streak Show, we talked about how loud I.

798
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: Wonder I see That's what I was saying, you know,

799
00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:12,960
we were talking about when we were recording the episode.

800
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,880
I do wonder if Vienna's would have would have helped Sid.

801
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's term.

802
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: Didn't drop before before it changed.

803
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 6: It certainly appeared that Sid's passing did help him advance

804
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:26,760
in the first round, where he had I believe initially

805
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,079
was losing in the polling. As a reminder, by the way,

806
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:31,079
if you don't know we're talking about, if you follow

807
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:33,159
us on exit the lapsed fan, you two will get

808
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:35,239
your chance. We open up the polls for everybody to vote,

809
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,599
and we leave it open for a few days and

810
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,840
just let the chips fall where they may, match up

811
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,320
by matchup, and the surprises are starting to trickle in.

812
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,639
That first round was pretty predictable. There were maybe one

813
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,519
or two surprises, but in terms of not who won,

814
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:49,599
but how close certain matchups were. Now it's getting to

815
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,960
be like you said, watching sweating Andre versus Vern down

816
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,079
to the wire. Yeah, there are fans out there like

817
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:57,880
fuck that No Vern fans like no fuck that Andre,

818
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,119
and you can see them pushing each other back and

819
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:03,480
forth as the as the percentage totals change, and.

820
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 3: I do I do find it very interesting too that

821
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,440
it was Jesse fighting the media. You know, that's what

822
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,559
that's what he was doing. He was fighting the media,

823
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,880
and I wanted it was probably holding me back the

824
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,159
whole damn time, right, you know, I'm shitting here saying, hey,

825
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,239
you know what, I'm not only king of the cash,

826
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,400
I'm king of the country. It's about time I triumph

827
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,880
over the media. It's about damn time I did triumph

828
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,280
over some form of media. No telling what the lapse

829
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,920
editor is going to go back to his office and

830
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,119
plot now that he's out of the X Games. Of

831
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:34,920
course that's for future development perhaps. So we've got Nash,

832
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,400
We've got Andre, We've got Jesse, We've got Helen Hart,

833
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,320
who was a late addition after folks pointed out her

834
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,760
omission from the initial slate, which is amazing. Laps Dusty,

835
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,239
laps Hogan and lapsed Vince, who will it come down to?

836
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,639
Your chance to decide is coming quite soon, I mean

837
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,519
Hogan and Vince Like this is you know you're looking

838
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:58,960
at you got to look at at Vince's trajectory here. Yeah, okay,

839
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:04,639
this is fascinating. He beats his best friend in round one,

840
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,599
he beats his biggest money maker in round two, and

841
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,960
now he's set the square off with his probably biggest

842
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:14,599
overall superstar.

843
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 6: Yep, you know there's there's poetry happening here. There is

844
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,760
poetry happening. Yes, And we look forward to seeing how

845
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,800
it shakes out. Somehow I feel like it. No matter

846
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,320
how it shakes out, it's going to shake out just

847
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,480
as it should have. Yes, it's going to end up

848
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,480
making all the sense in the world when we make

849
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:34,159
the final assessment. But your chance to decide who will

850
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:35,599
be the king of the cast? Who is the greatest

851
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,679
character in tlf history After ten years of casting the

852
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,800
fuck out of this shit, you get the chance to decide.

853
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,440
So keep your ears locked to our feed for another

854
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:46,920
round of Sean Mooney and the TLFX Games Events Center

855
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,320
as he goes through the next round of matchups, and

856
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,239
here from the participants, and you make the decision. You

857
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,400
hear from both sides. It is election season, after all,

858
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:56,559
that is true, and the candidates are on the stump.

859
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,559
They're on the stump. And so again TLFX Games going strong,

860
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:03,039
thanks to everyone who made it happen, including our friends

861
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:06,559
over at a garage beer and you talk about Vince,

862
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,000
You talk about serendipity, you talk about his trajectory, You

863
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:13,760
talk about the people he's beating in the X Games

864
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,679
being so illustrative of the ways he came up in

865
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,679
the world and in business and in the wrestling industry.

866
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,840
And by the time many of you hear this, the

867
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,440
Netflix documentary series on Vince McMahon, the long awaited Bill

868
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:30,079
Simmons project on Vince McMahon, will have been out into

869
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,280
the atmosphere in the ether and we want to do something.

870
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:41,599
We're going to do something. At the very least we've

871
00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:46,920
been informed Boston nasal Gas is on the case. I'm

872
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:47,599
not surprised.

873
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:50,519
Speaker 3: I mean, I imagine that anytime something like this is

874
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:52,719
going on, that he is, you know, he's trying to

875
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,440
He's trying to get that, you know, get get get

876
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:56,519
a call in at some point.

877
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 6: Absolutely. I mean, he's the one that's been my finding

878
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,079
the facts most closely about not only Vince's outer monologue,

879
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,920
not only his public record, but his private inner monologue,

880
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,079
his private inner record. And we know this over the

881
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:12,199
years as part of KLFX in This American work and

882
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,000
the occasional series were nasaled despite his best efforts. Only

883
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:19,079
occasionally can surface Lapsed Vince for a series of testimonials

884
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,840
about his life and times. The episodes, such as they've

885
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,559
happened to date, are all available on the Lapsed Fans

886
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,119
YouTube page if you check them out. This American work

887
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,039
is Vince when we thought he was retired and not

888
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:33,800
under as much scrutiny perhaps as he is today pre

889
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,400
being sued.

890
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:42,639
Speaker 3: I'm scrutiny now I'm being scrutinized. I'm pleasant, I'm content.

891
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,239
I'm exactly where I knew I would be, and that

892
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:55,840
is right on top, always end forever. Yeah.

893
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, if we had the reigns of the Netflix series,

894
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,760
you better believe that's what we title. And I have

895
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,760
the feeling by all the time, all of a sudden done,

896
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:08,920
Vince will not be taking an l here. Okay, that's

897
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,239
not ever where the spark money is. But we're gonna

898
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,679
We're gonna find out, and Nasal Gas is on the case.

899
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,840
So do also no promises in terms of when and what,

900
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:19,880
but when Nasal is ready to report out, you will

901
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,639
be the first to hear it here in the TF

902
00:45:21,679 --> 00:45:26,159
Solar System as part of our recurring series this American Work.

903
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,440
And as mentioned when before Vince was sued by Janelle Grant,

904
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:33,480
Nasal had much more success sitting him down or reflect

905
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:36,559
on his life and times and the extent to which

906
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:40,000
those were successful. Connections are evident as mentioned in our

907
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:43,920
YouTube page. But just no, just know that we're paying

908
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:44,440
close attention.

909
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:45,079
Speaker 3: We're listening to.

910
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:48,559
Speaker 6: Every word, We're observing every turn of phrase, every turn

911
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:52,480
of narrative, and we'll hone in. We'll hone in on

912
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:54,840
the in betweens, We'll hone in the unspoken moments. We'll

913
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,400
hone in on the the rushes to judgment, perhaps the

914
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:01,679
leaps of narrow that perhaps you can expect in a

915
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,639
series like this, as robust as it appears to be.

916
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:05,280
I think it's going to be like six hours long,

917
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,400
but you're going to hear this. It's going to be

918
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,159
out there. It's what's everyone's going to be talking about.

919
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,079
And this is our message to you. Nasal is on

920
00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:13,719
the case also in the case of our friends at

921
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:14,280
Chopped Teas.

922
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean this is fuck yeah.

923
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 6: We said it last week. The ros war Jacket, in

924
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,400
the style of TLF has been created, has been drafted,

925
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,840
has been made a reality by our palaticky bird. You've

926
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,199
seen it, you've worn it, you've felt it, you've tasted it,

927
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,199
and we want the rest of the Solar System to

928
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,119
taste it as well, don't we.

929
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:37,039
Speaker 3: Boss. Ah Yeah, listen, it's it is, it's it's what

930
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:37,920
dreams are made of.

931
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,519
Speaker 6: It's whenever every lapsed fan needs for Christmas. Honestly, oh

932
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:43,840
fuck yeah, you know you're gonna start getting those texts

933
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:44,960
in about two months. What do you want?

934
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 3: What do you want?

935
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 6: Just send the link because we're here to announce that

936
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:51,960
our Palticky Bird is putting together materials to make that jacket,

937
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,320
that varsity jacket with TLF insignia available to you quite

938
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,320
soon at Chopped Teas, which is the place to go

939
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,559
for all of you or specialized TLF swag beyond t shirts,

940
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:07,039
things like hats and track jackets and zubaz pants and

941
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,440
fanny packs and you know, cups and shit, all that

942
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:13,039
kind of packs. Yeah, what's up with that?

943
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:14,199
Speaker 3: Need them?

944
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 6: Come on now, back into play. So it's just an

945
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,880
amazing platform. Chop Teas is doing great work and keeping

946
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:25,840
keeping in the spirit of what TLF is about. You know,

947
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,719
our finest partners and this goes down the list have

948
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,559
always been and Gabe is among them. We mentioned Garage Beer.

949
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,000
It's always people who know the show, know the show

950
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,159
and end up being entrepreneurial on the other side and say,

951
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:41,400
you know what, I know why people listen to the show.

952
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,760
I know they're for real and they eat a bunch

953
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,480
of bitch ass motherfuckers. They're not a bunch of freeloading cunts,

954
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,880
and so it's worth creating things that delight them because

955
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,760
they're willing to reciprocate that attention to detail and that

956
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:02,960
entreaty with support. It's something that is probably the safest

957
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,719
bet you're going to find in the wrestling podcast space

958
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,119
in terms of receptive audience. It's can seriously consider what

959
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:09,920
you're bringing the market to. The co chairman deem it

960
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,920
worthy and that's what's happening here at chop Teas. That's

961
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,639
what's happening. And the jacket will be available for purchase

962
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:20,440
before you know it, because that's what's up. And I'll

963
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,880
tell you what, boss, If we keep talking about Viennas,

964
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,199
if we keep going down this road in our sid tribute, yes,

965
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,599
I think our pro Wrestling tea shop is going to

966
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:33,079
get to reflect it quite quickly.

967
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 3: Yes, I will say that there are already by the

968
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:45,000
time this drops, there should be two Vienna shirts added

969
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:46,639
to the catalog.

970
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 6: I mean, people are hitting us up with their own

971
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,159
brilliant designs. It's just like this is the thing, this

972
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,840
is going to be the thing. I mean, Yeah, you

973
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,079
can't talk about Vienna sausages as much as sid did

974
00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:03,159
in his you know, I mean in its twilight it's

975
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:05,760
without us grabbing onto it.

976
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:10,039
Speaker 3: It's really what is so what is incredible about it

977
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:16,599
really is the fact that here here is that he

978
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,440
talked so passionately about it. Yes, you know, he could

979
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,280
have he could have talked about it and just kind

980
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,119
of thrown it away, but he he was all about

981
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:32,519
one hundred and fifty thousand pounds of Vienna's nipped cans whatever.

982
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:34,480
He never pounds.

983
00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 6: He never talked about helping out his church without specifying

984
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:42,559
the precise cuisine exactly. And that's the kind of thing

985
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,800
that's the that's the kind of detail that we don't

986
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,599
miss here at tlo oh. We never miss that kind

987
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:51,400
of stuff because it's all about food instead proving that again,

988
00:49:51,679 --> 00:49:54,760
so our progresting tees dot Com slash the Lapsed Fan

989
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,079
Store definitely going to be reflective of the kind of

990
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,360
moments that are happening as we eight the Great sid

991
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:04,519
Udy here over the next several episodes on that fucking cast.

992
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:06,599
So you do want to keep it very keep it

993
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,280
very close eye to the store as well as you

994
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,079
know meant the aforementioned holiday gifts stuff. I mean, there

995
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:14,400
can't be a moment in the catalog over ten years

996
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,639
that you can't buy a shirt that reflects I know.

997
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,719
I mean there's so many as we just go, we

998
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,199
just boss waste no time. I mean, we say something

999
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,599
on the show and the next day he's texting me like, I.

1000
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 3: Mean sometimes it happens during the show and I'm like,

1001
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,039
all right, you know what, I got to do this

1002
00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:33,440
right now, that's as we're recording it. I'll send you

1003
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,360
a fucking It's not like once or twice and I've

1004
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,760
sent you like an image fucking it here. Look at this.

1005
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:45,599
Speaker 6: Part of that ecosystem I mentioned, part of that virtuous circle,

1006
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,760
virtuous cycle. Also, you know, if you want to throw

1007
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,039
a coin in the jukebox and get us to dance

1008
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,320
for you, Cameo is there for you? Okay, no, yes,

1009
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,159
hemeo dot com slash lapsed fan, send us your requests,

1010
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,599
jump in a cannon, have lapsed characters and do things

1011
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:02,559
that you think are appropriate or funny, or you know,

1012
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,480
just have us pass on some well wishes to someone

1013
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:08,719
in your life, or have lapsed Vince talk down to

1014
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,559
someone on their birthday. You've done several of those.

1015
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 3: God, that's always the best is when they you know,

1016
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:15,679
when they say, hey, you know so and so is

1017
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,519
celebrating this. Can you tell them what a fucking piece

1018
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:23,079
of shit they are? Yes, that's easy, plenty of practice

1019
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:24,679
in there, you say, so that's what you want?

1020
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 6: Sure, so do do patronize us in more ways than

1021
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,360
one over on cameo. That's that's very much available to

1022
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,199
you and and vibrant and again we'll want the call out.

1023
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,119
We did it last week and I'm just not gonna

1024
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:38,760
let it happen again this year. Where we think of

1025
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,920
the Christmas show too late for folks that want to

1026
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,960
get us stuff to feature on that wonderful annual tradition

1027
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:46,920
that that's taking shape the unwrapping as we've taken gifts

1028
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,760
from the Solar system and unwrap them and react to

1029
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,840
them in real time on the pod as part of

1030
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,480
spreading some holidays cheer and so if you want to

1031
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:56,480
make sure that whatever you have in mind for your

1032
00:51:56,519 --> 00:52:00,280
co chairman arrives in time for said taping and isn't

1033
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,639
sort of like straggler gifts that we were glad to

1034
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:05,880
open and thrilled and delighted to open, but we'd like

1035
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,559
to We just love to fit everything in that one

1036
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:09,719
session because that's when we get together and really feel

1037
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,320
the spirit and it's and everything is as it should

1038
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,159
be if you want to be part of that session,

1039
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,800
which to me, you really should want to be. Uh,

1040
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:20,079
you're going to want to get that gift off sooner

1041
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:23,920
rather than later, especially if you're overseas and international. That's

1042
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:25,840
something that I think we've underestimated in the past.

1043
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that can be. That can be uh get

1044
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:32,480
a little troubling. So a little troubling, a little trouble.

1045
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,119
Speaker 6: It just might just takes longer than we appreciate that

1046
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,440
sometimes to get to get to us. And so you

1047
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:41,760
need to know that the time is now. Honestly, the

1048
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,280
time is now. We've already got We've already got how

1049
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:45,039
many like.

1050
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:47,039
Speaker 3: Seven or eight.

1051
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 6: I think that's a hell of a start. So this

1052
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:52,400
is happening, folks. This is not a fucking This isn't

1053
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,639
some kind of theoretical thing. So the PO box is

1054
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,480
the lapsed fan seven ten Main Street, South seven one

1055
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:02,840
zero me Street, South PO Box one one nine one

1056
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:05,840
one nine south Bury s O U T H b

1057
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,119
U R Y Connecticut zero six four eight eight again

1058
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:12,360
zero six four eight eight. Do get in the queue.

1059
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,960
Do get what we need on the on the ship,

1060
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,559
on the boat, on the freight ye or in the

1061
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:22,239
UPS truck or in the us SPS truck, whatever the

1062
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,199
case may be. Get it to your co chairman, and

1063
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,000
make sure that it is indeed a merry Christmas for

1064
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:27,719
everybody in the Solar System. You know what to do,

1065
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:34,679
and we continue to offer, uh, let's say, seasonal reinforcement.

1066
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,639
You know, when it leaves turn or the weather turns,

1067
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,119
you can count on your co chairman to sniff that

1068
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,320
out and present content that's that's appropriate in that way.

1069
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,559
Last year, it was tricky under the cinemat to keep

1070
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:50,679
with the the scary movie bargain that we made upon

1071
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,800
the launch of this incredibly popular series where we dive

1072
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,920
in to Hollywood movies that feature pro wrestlers and just

1073
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,199
go all in on whatever the wrestler is and.

1074
00:53:59,239 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 3: Whatever the movie is.

1075
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:01,559
Speaker 6: We're in the middle of the Bond journey, but Boss

1076
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:04,960
tell them about the sort of detour will be taking

1077
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:06,760
and how the rest of the year is going to

1078
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:07,199
shape out.

1079
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 3: Under the cinema. Yes, as as I mentioned before, you

1080
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,280
know we were in the middle. We're actually at a

1081
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:18,320
great stopping point for now on the Bond journey because

1082
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:23,559
of the way that the final leg of the journey

1083
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:28,000
is its own. It's its own journey in a way,

1084
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:31,400
you know, it's its own journey, and so it's a

1085
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:34,840
it's a it's a good place to kind of reuh,

1086
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:37,400
you know, kind of regroup a little bit, take a

1087
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:41,519
moment and focus on some other things, and then come

1088
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,360
back to it and start afresh. So it is Scary

1089
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:50,119
Movie season, and we will have movies all throughout October

1090
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,000
for Scary Movie Season, and then we'll return with James Bond.

1091
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:58,199
Speaker 6: In November and finish that up just in time for

1092
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,320
Christmas movie season exactly, exact right to our point about

1093
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,119
holiday themes exactly, I have to say, you know, as

1094
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:07,800
much Christmas and Halloween or whatever, you know, Fourth of July,

1095
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:10,519
whatever the holiday is themed content we've done on the

1096
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:13,000
main show over the past ten years, I feel the

1097
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:16,159
most inner warmth when I sit down for an Under

1098
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:19,159
the Cinemat episode that's in keeping with the season. Oh,

1099
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,800
that's under the Cinemat is the place to really soak

1100
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:22,039
that in.

1101
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 3: It really, you know, it's it does the same thing

1102
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,480
for me, Like, you know, when I start looking at

1103
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:33,519
the movies that that that that I've chosen for the seasons,

1104
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:35,599
it just it really does that there's something about it.

1105
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:37,400
I'm like, oh, this is so great, Like I get

1106
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,079
all tingly and no different with this. I'm then we

1107
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:44,679
get it. We get some some real heavy hitters. So

1108
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,000
I'm excited to I'm excited to thrust that upon you.

1109
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:48,639
Are you kidding me?

1110
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 6: I mean scary movies that is truly the dominion of

1111
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,159
the pro wrestler when one totally is he tries to

1112
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:56,039
make the transition to Hollywood. I mean, we talked about

1113
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:59,079
when we did Halloween, the Michael Myers character influencing so

1114
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:01,239
many rest of characters from King all the way down,

1115
00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:04,079
and just so much to chew on.

1116
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 3: There.

1117
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,039
Speaker 6: We're sitting here talking about a sid who I don't

1118
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:10,239
know exactly if you'd call the Mad Mac series, the

1119
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,920
Thunderdome stuff scary movies, but they're certainly, you know, there

1120
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,280
are certainly characters created in the vein of fucking you know,

1121
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,960
superkillers basically. Sure, So it's all there. I mean, these

1122
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:23,840
bookers from our these bookers that put the wrestling out

1123
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,320
there that we absorbed and remember so fondly we're watching

1124
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:27,599
movies to get inspiration.

1125
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 3: They're very absorbed into pop culture and what was going

1126
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,400
on in Hollywood.

1127
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 6: We're gonna get through this utter of the cinemat format

1128
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,800
a chance to talk about all of them over the years,

1129
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,119
and definitely definitely a time to lean in, you know,

1130
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:43,239
because you're gonna get the end of the Bond journey,

1131
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:46,199
you're gonna get scary movie season, you're gonna get Christmas

1132
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,519
movie season. It's where UTC really thrives and goes absolutely nuts.

1133
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:52,480
So you want to absolutely consider joining if you're on

1134
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:55,559
the fence about it again. Under the Cinemata is available

1135
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:58,920
to our executive producer tier on Patreon and above those

1136
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,239
Mote tier members of course get everything and more. And

1137
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,840
we've got quite quite a few ideas in mind for

1138
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,800
some lapsed outings that have been the exclusive dominion the

1139
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,480
invite only list on the Moat tier yep, because if

1140
00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:12,559
you're willing to show that much support, we're willing to

1141
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,800
let you into the circle closer to the conscience, closer

1142
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,440
to the beating heart of the cast. So I keep

1143
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,280
your eyes and ears peel if you're in the moat

1144
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,119
tier for that, but of course under the Cinemat available

1145
00:57:22,119 --> 00:57:23,920
to the tier render as well our EP and above tier,

1146
00:57:24,159 --> 00:57:26,880
and we definitely urge you to consider joining. One of

1147
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,599
the things we're going to be unloading on you as

1148
00:57:28,639 --> 00:57:31,480
part of the Sid Journey is an archived under the

1149
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:33,960
Cinemat episode that all of a sudden as relevance. We

1150
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,599
did it on a lark, I think, boss, I.

1151
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:37,679
Speaker 3: Mean it was well, no, it was, I mean it

1152
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,519
was done. I mean, I guess partially on a lark.

1153
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 13: It was.

1154
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:44,159
Speaker 3: It was a scary movie, you know, so it's kind

1155
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:49,320
of fitting in a way. It was an awful horror

1156
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:54,400
film and Sid is in it. And there actually was

1157
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:59,559
a feature on Sid getting his makeup done because he

1158
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:03,760
plays a monster. Yes, so it's called River of Darkness

1159
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,679
and he plays Jonah Jacobs. And this is when he

1160
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:10,119
did way after his wrestling career was over. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1161
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:11,840
I mean this was came out in twenty eleven.

1162
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:14,519
Speaker 6: So we've done it. We did it years ago under

1163
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:15,320
the Cinemat.

1164
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 3: R two years ago. Actually two years ago.

1165
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 6: We did it, but to give you a sampling as

1166
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,159
we're you know, as every now and then we're inspired

1167
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:25,360
to do. Remember, we did uh, we brought forward Rocky

1168
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,719
three when we did the Terry Funk tribute because of

1169
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,920
the role that he at Paradise Alley. You know where

1170
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,559
Terry Funk is actually in it Rocky three. He plays

1171
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:36,719
a role in the lore around how Holt Colgan ultimately

1172
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:41,880
got the thunder Lips role. Oh God, whors Paradise Alley

1173
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,440
prominently featuring Terry Funk is Frankie the Thumper and in

1174
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:48,679
many ways setting a blueprint for what Rocky is, or

1175
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:52,559
at least speaking to it. So it's great, it's it's

1176
00:58:52,679 --> 00:58:54,239
it's always awesome, and we can be like, all right,

1177
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,199
there's a cinemat episode that that makes some sense here

1178
00:58:56,239 --> 00:58:59,400
to surface. We surfaced ready to rumble when we were

1179
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,079
in the midst of our you know, history of w

1180
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:05,840
CW stuff, when Weis was doing their series and we

1181
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:09,719
started doing a show about w W greed the final

1182
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,639
pay per view. So it makes sense to make River

1183
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,239
of Darkness available to all and the glimpse it gives us.

1184
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:18,719
Did you know that Sid was in consideration for a

1185
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:19,519
super Shredder.

1186
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 3: I did not know that.

1187
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:24,039
Speaker 6: I don't remember if we talked about that. I don't

1188
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:26,280
think so, I don't think I knew that, but yeah,

1189
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,199
he's talked about it. He pretty much was like Chilly

1190
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,639
on the idea. He was never really enthusiastic about getting

1191
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:36,760
into two movies and he was under the I think

1192
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,320
there was kind of a thing where he's got a

1193
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,559
story where because his wrestling obligations were going to be

1194
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:43,440
such that the office would kind of sour on losing

1195
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:45,320
him for that long at WCW. That that's why the

1196
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,480
role went to Kevin Nash was basically because you know,

1197
00:59:48,639 --> 00:59:50,559
Nash was much more expendable in terms if you take

1198
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:51,639
him off the road, it's not going to make a

1199
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:53,559
very big difference to the cards because he was oz

1200
00:59:53,719 --> 00:59:56,039
Still or Vine Vegas probably at that point in time,

1201
00:59:56,039 --> 00:59:57,360
and no one gave a fuck really, you know, if

1202
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,599
he was around or not. So so yeah, I guess

1203
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:04,159
we can. We can chalk up Sid passing on Super

1204
01:00:04,199 --> 01:00:06,519
Shredder to Kevin Nash getting his first taste of Hollywood,

1205
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:09,960
which to this day he definitely still has an appetite for.

1206
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,000
Oh fuck yeah and say that for sure. Yes, So

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keep your eyes peeled and do join in just in

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time for Under the Cinemat to reach a whole new level.

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1211
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get lit, people are starting earlier this year than ever.

1212
01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:31,199
Speaker 3: I can't believe it. I really cannot believe it. I

1213
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:34,519
get so excited when I see It's like I drive

1214
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:38,480
by someone's lawn, you know, on one day, and then

1215
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,400
you know the next day it's completely littered with Halloween decorations.

1216
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:44,800
I'm so fucking excited.

1217
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,280
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Speaker 1: Fan Wrestling podcast, he's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with

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Speaker 6: Would that dispensed with? Where did we leave sid Well?

1262
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,679
We left him making a decision, Uh, do I sign

1263
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,599
this guaranteed contract with WCW with promises of a world

1264
01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:29,559
title run or do I take this nagging thing from

1265
01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:31,559
Vince of like this is going to be my only

1266
01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:33,880
opportunity to have this spot the number one spot in

1267
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:34,760
professional wrestling.

1268
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:35,599
Speaker 3: Now.

1269
01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:38,719
Speaker 6: Of course, what Vince McMahon does and doesn't mean when

1270
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,880
he makes these representations vis a vis Hulk Cogan spot

1271
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,920
is up for debate and an interpretation.

1272
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,599
Speaker 3: I mean right, I mean their money. Oh, I can

1273
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:50,199
offer this opportunity pill and we're just talking about an

1274
01:03:50,199 --> 01:03:56,440
opportunity to eventually obtain a spot similar to Hulk Hogan.

1275
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 7: Right.

1276
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:00,639
Speaker 3: You know there have been many there, We've you've taken

1277
01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:05,559
chances on a multitude of individuals who have either succeeded

1278
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:08,840
in their own way or perhaps uh not succeeded in

1279
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,239
their own way. And you know, we're always we're always

1280
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:17,280
looking to maintain a you know, a caliber a caliber

1281
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:22,280
of caliber of competitor right to to you know, potentially

1282
01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:26,719
lead the way into the future of the WWE and

1283
01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:31,320
at the same time, you know, lead but not you know,

1284
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:33,840
lead but fall pretty far behind Hulk Hogan.

1285
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 6: Okay, sounds appetizing. I'm I'm doubly sold now, Vinz, thanks

1286
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:43,079
for the extrapolation. But yeah, I mean because Sid just

1287
01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:44,679
came up with this thing of like, oh my god,

1288
01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:46,679
if w CW is offering this much money right now,

1289
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:49,119
this is an opportunity for me to see what Vince

1290
01:04:49,159 --> 01:04:53,480
would say if I put myself out there and and

1291
01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:56,440
he just says, I want Hogan spot. It's similar to

1292
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,519
when Brett wanted to come at WCW and he said,

1293
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:00,679
he wants a dollar more than Hogan makes. Yeah, right,

1294
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,320
that's just like shorthand for the most money I could

1295
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:04,280
possibly make your company.

1296
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 3: I want I want Hulk Coogan spot. I see that's

1297
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,159
a very interesting proposition for yourself.

1298
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 6: I do you sound like a yes?

1299
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:23,119
Speaker 3: Are you referring to? Just what spot? Are you referring to?

1300
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,119
I want this spot?

1301
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,159
Speaker 6: Well, I am you mean you mean the leg drop?

1302
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:33,039
Speaker 3: Do you mean? Do you mean? Do you mean his

1303
01:05:33,239 --> 01:05:37,280
his parking spot tightened hours? Is that I can do that?

1304
01:05:37,519 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 7: That that?

1305
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,079
Speaker 3: I don't think there'll be much of a problem. I

1306
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,400
want a spot on the card, my birthday card. Yes,

1307
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,519
that's fine too, I will I will make that happen.

1308
01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:51,920
You can have where he would sign it. You can

1309
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:52,719
have his spot.

1310
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,159
Speaker 6: Can you imagine he pulls up to the tower for

1311
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,280
the meeting to sign the contract, and there's a sign

1312
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,679
in the parking lot with Hulk Hogan's name on it,

1313
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:05,559
crossed out with Sid over Teltreppel. I'm a man of

1314
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:09,000
my wordy, you have whole Hogan spot.

1315
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 3: I'm pleased.

1316
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 6: I hope you are too, Because he said Sid. You

1317
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,880
know Sid says Vince flew him out immediately upon expressing

1318
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,440
interest immediately. And god, can you imagine being a Titan

1319
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:23,519
Towers the day Sid walks through the front door for

1320
01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:25,719
the first time. Oh my god, the buzz that creates

1321
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,440
it be insane just to be in the in the

1322
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:31,119
confines because you know they've moved offices, but that old

1323
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:33,239
Titan Tower, man, it was in a kind of like

1324
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,599
a residential neighborhood, like you could just like, yeah, you

1325
01:06:36,639 --> 01:06:38,880
could spy on that place. I think yes, and I'm

1326
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,440
sure wrestling fans have over the years. But my god,

1327
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,599
just to think about the intrigue going on at this

1328
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:48,159
point with him playing both sides. You know, Sid recalls

1329
01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:49,840
Dusty coming up to him at a show in Alabama

1330
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,119
WCW because Dusty had taken the book back over after

1331
01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:55,639
his WWF run and came in the February of ninety one.

1332
01:06:55,719 --> 01:06:57,280
So this is right around the time Sid is weighing

1333
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,360
what to do. And you know, as you heard last week,

1334
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:02,239
Dusty tail Sid, this is the plans I have. We

1335
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,880
can make your world champ. You're gonna have a match

1336
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,679
with Vader, then you're gonna do a feud with Rick

1337
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,239
rud And the way Sid has talked about it in

1338
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,079
Chewed interviews. They were going to build up Rick Rude

1339
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:14,280
really strong with a bunch of big wins. There apparently

1340
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,920
was like a boxing commercial featuring Julier Ciso Chavez at

1341
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,920
the time where they ran down like in a black

1342
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:21,960
and white ad, like a laundry list of the names

1343
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,239
he had defeated to get to the next match, And

1344
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,119
they were going to do something similar, according to Sid,

1345
01:07:26,159 --> 01:07:28,159
with Rick Rud, where they would list all the opponents

1346
01:07:28,199 --> 01:07:31,280
he's he's gone through to get to Sid. I hadn't

1347
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,480
really thought about Sid versus Rick Rud for the WCW

1348
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:35,920
title as a program. I don't know if that excites

1349
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:36,280
me or not.

1350
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Ian that does sound interesting.

1351
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,119
Speaker 6: It's interesting cause I don't know how you cast both

1352
01:07:42,159 --> 01:07:43,000
guys necessarily.

1353
01:07:43,519 --> 01:07:50,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's that's kind of that

1354
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,559
is hard. But I'm intrigued by that. I'm intrigued by

1355
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:54,440
a Rude and Sid program.

1356
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 6: Yep, absolutely.

1357
01:07:57,679 --> 01:07:57,719
Speaker 7: So.

1358
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 6: Yeah as the baby face So Rick Rud babyface runs

1359
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,679
I think was the idea. And you know, so Dusty's

1360
01:08:03,679 --> 01:08:04,960
putting the pressure. He's like, I want you to have

1361
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,519
a brand new contract. I want you to be here

1362
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:10,159
for four years, five years something like that. At the time,

1363
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:12,119
he was on like a one or two year year deal,

1364
01:08:12,679 --> 01:08:17,399
and so they came up with the figure. And you know,

1365
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,039
he he had heard Sid has said and shooting interviews.

1366
01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:21,720
He had heard at the time of these discussions were

1367
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,800
going on that Hulk Hogan was considering taking time off.

1368
01:08:24,039 --> 01:08:26,399
Of course, this is amid the Arsenio Hall mess and

1369
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,680
hul Cogan's fucking disastrous nineteen ninety one, and that that

1370
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,279
would be a spot that could be open on the

1371
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:36,319
WWF cards because certainly Warrior had failed. And it's true

1372
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:37,720
if you look at the if you look at who

1373
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,640
they had, like, yeah, it's not really clear who was

1374
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,520
going to be the top baby face in WWF. But

1375
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,319
Hogan took the hiatus. It really wasn't.

1376
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't agree with I agree with that.

1377
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 6: So you can as ludicrous as it might sound at first,

1378
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,800
that Sid was offered the Hogan spot, so to speak,

1379
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,880
or was led to believe that the Hogan spot was

1380
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,680
open to him by Vince, I can see if if

1381
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,600
it was concrete that Hogan was going to disappear for

1382
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,640
six months for the first time since you know, ho

1383
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:09,279
Comania started, really that kind of a prolonged disappearance, and

1384
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:11,920
you can kind of see how someone could be convinced

1385
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,039
that this is a new opportunity. You know, we know

1386
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:16,119
Hogan comes back and just takes right over again.

1387
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:16,560
Speaker 7: We know this.

1388
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:17,319
Speaker 3: So it's like.

1389
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,399
Speaker 6: It's hard to remember what a weird headspace they were in.

1390
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,199
Is it regards that spot in ninety two and as

1391
01:09:25,239 --> 01:09:27,920
it regards Hogan in ninety two. Yeah, with that open

1392
01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:32,800
ended question about when he'd come back, So he's he's

1393
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:37,119
thinking about this, and he you know, knows that that's

1394
01:09:37,119 --> 01:09:39,880
a big money opportunity. He'd never talked to Vince up

1395
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,159
to that point. Says maybe I should give him a call.

1396
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,840
So I called him. He put him right through, told

1397
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,560
him what was going on. Would you fly in tomorrow?

1398
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 3: Sure?

1399
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:51,239
Speaker 9: Uh?

1400
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:53,079
Speaker 6: So he went over there. I told him what I wanted.

1401
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:57,319
I can't promise that, Yeah, just like just like Vince

1402
01:09:57,359 --> 01:10:02,039
can't promise an annual salary pal. What's funny that it's

1403
01:10:02,039 --> 01:10:05,279
funny Bell, you can't promise. You can't promise you'll be here.

1404
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:06,840
I can't promise anything but opportunity.

1405
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:12,199
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't promise that you'll have a job ever. Again,

1406
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:13,960
I can't wait to come to work for him. How

1407
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,840
does that feel? Exactly? Where? Fuck with me? Exactly?

1408
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 6: How does that feel? That's the opening conversation between Vince

1409
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,199
and Sid. Sid probably should have taken a hint at

1410
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:33,399
that point. No, how does that feel? But you know,

1411
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,439
he's like he's looking at with the exception of when

1412
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:39,800
he first broke in and was scraping by, he's looking

1413
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,800
at a business that he's only non guaranteed money in

1414
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,520
the WP contract was guaranteed, whether he was hurt or not.

1415
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,840
And he's feeling Vince out on whether you know, as

1416
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:50,840
much as it's clear in the industry that Vince doesn't

1417
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,520
offer guaranteed money, will he bend here as he eventually did,

1418
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,760
not to Sid so much, but to others. And No,

1419
01:10:57,359 --> 01:10:59,680
Vince was still steadfast in nineteen ninety one about not

1420
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,680
off ring a guaranteed salary.

1421
01:11:02,119 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 3: But you know he was able to say that, Look,

1422
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:08,800
I don't believe in guarantees. Why is that promises? I

1423
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:09,880
don't believe in guarantees.

1424
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 6: I believe in promises. You, however, should not believe in

1425
01:11:13,039 --> 01:11:13,680
my promises.

1426
01:11:14,079 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 3: You should believe in my guarantees which are nil, which

1427
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,720
are not you know, they're not necessarily reliable, but you

1428
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:24,720
should believe in them.

1429
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,279
Speaker 6: By the way, there goes that word again.

1430
01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:29,159
Speaker 3: Yes, mother.

1431
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 6: So so Vince isn't, you know, budging on that front.

1432
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,760
So for Sid, it's it's a gamble. But when you

1433
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,520
talk about the Hogan spot, it pencils out. It's like, okay, well,

1434
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,039
what I mean is that Hogan made this much for WrestleMania,

1435
01:11:41,079 --> 01:11:43,439
he made this much for merch. And it's like, if

1436
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,479
Sid is convincing himself that he can do as great

1437
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,560
a job as Hulk did, he's convincing himself he can

1438
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,239
make as much money as Hulk did. Of Course, Vince,

1439
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,279
if I can editorialize here, Vince knows that's not true.

1440
01:11:53,359 --> 01:11:55,680
Vince knows there's no fucking chance that, no matter what

1441
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,399
he does with Sid, he's going to be anywhere near

1442
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,479
as over as Hulk was for those peak earning years.

1443
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,960
But it wouldn't surprise me that that wouldn't stop Vince

1444
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,039
from sliding those numbers across the table as what might

1445
01:12:05,119 --> 01:12:08,439
be possible. Of course, absolutely, And yeah, listen, you know

1446
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,920
what I want to tell you. Something said anything is

1447
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:15,000
possible in the wah. You know there's a lot further I.

1448
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,239
Speaker 3: Could you know, and uh, maybe someday get arrested.

1449
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 6: It's not gonna happen, but as possible, I get indicted

1450
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:24,439
one day, I.

1451
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,239
Speaker 3: Could get indicted. I can get indicted, maybe multiple times.

1452
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:30,560
Speaker 9: Us.

1453
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:37,560
Speaker 3: I'll get off at home and in the legal.

1454
01:12:37,359 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 6: Platform, at home and in the legal platform, at the

1455
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:58,640
legal arena, at the legal category. It's just another platform

1456
01:12:59,319 --> 01:13:05,199
to fence and Nadie McMahon. So yeah, that's what I

1457
01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:07,159
can offer. And so Sid's like fuck that, I'll take

1458
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:11,319
guaranteed money, thanks, but no thanks. And he's getting all

1459
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:13,720
dressed up to go to the WW offices living near

1460
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,000
Atlanta to sign the contract, and according to him, Vince

1461
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:19,079
calls again. His wife picks up as he's in the driveway.

1462
01:13:19,119 --> 01:13:20,880
This always happens to said, like I said in part one,

1463
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,800
there's always a story around how that phone call came

1464
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:26,920
through when he wasn't expecting it, because he just, you know,

1465
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:30,079
he's very sensitive about being accused of playing two sides

1466
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:32,319
off of each other, which is of course precisely what

1467
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,000
he did. Of course, so he has to like come

1468
01:13:35,079 --> 01:13:37,800
up with these stories about how he didn't want to

1469
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:39,479
talk to someone on the phone. They just happened to

1470
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,359
call him, and he has the same story, but when

1471
01:13:41,359 --> 01:13:43,279
he came back in ninety five about how it was

1472
01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:46,159
a call waiting thing. He was avoiding calls and he

1473
01:13:46,279 --> 01:13:48,199
got stuck just clicking over when he was on a

1474
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:50,520
call and it was Vince and now he's stuck. Oh shit,

1475
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,640
I answered the phone. I'm stuck. I can't say no

1476
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,760
at that point if you answer the phone, right. So

1477
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,039
his wife waves him down in the driveway and tells

1478
01:13:57,079 --> 01:14:00,359
him Vince's on the phone again, And that's the that's

1479
01:14:00,399 --> 01:14:03,319
the story that we ended last episode with was where

1480
01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:05,119
Vince says something to the effect of you know, because

1481
01:14:05,239 --> 01:14:07,199
Sid has told the story several times and the wording

1482
01:14:07,279 --> 01:14:09,119
he puts in Vince's mouth is always a little different,

1483
01:14:09,119 --> 01:14:11,520
but it's essentially, you know, you'll never get an opportunity

1484
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,039
like this again, this is your in that that really

1485
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,520
apparently resonated with Sid, and despite there not being a

1486
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:20,680
guaranteed offer, he takes Vince's offer, and he even said

1487
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,560
in one interview that he actually went to the w

1488
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,279
W offices after that conversation, had them hand the contract

1489
01:14:26,279 --> 01:14:28,000
to him across the table, and he returned it to

1490
01:14:28,079 --> 01:14:32,399
them and said, no, I'm leaving. He's still fucking idiot

1491
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,640
went to the Yeah, uh went to the offices to

1492
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,359
to to engage in that showmanship because certainly, certainly he

1493
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,880
wasn't looking for a counter offer. That was not at

1494
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,199
all his intention to play anyone off of anybody else.

1495
01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:48,359
He he doesn't play bullshit games like that. According to Fair,

1496
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,760
I'm Vince, Vince. I didn't. I didn't call you back

1497
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,199
because I didn't want to put you in the middle.

1498
01:14:55,039 --> 01:14:57,239
And in other words, I didn't call you back so

1499
01:14:57,319 --> 01:14:58,880
I wanted you to call back with a sweeter offer.

1500
01:15:00,319 --> 01:15:03,520
Speaker 3: And it happened, didn't it. I can't do not or

1501
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:05,079
or admit to anything.

1502
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 6: Here's the magic wand he said, Vince told him, what

1503
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,680
do you want? So he says, Hogan, spot and we

1504
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,399
go from there. I see, And as he said, you know,

1505
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,039
he walked away from seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars

1506
01:15:20,119 --> 01:15:24,279
guaranteed in WCW when you put all the value of

1507
01:15:24,319 --> 01:15:29,199
all the contracts together. So he's coming into WWF with

1508
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,479
that level of expectation that if he doesn't exceed that

1509
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,800
level of earnings, to his mind and the way he

1510
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,840
thinks about the business, he's made a huge mistake. So

1511
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,840
as much as we can celebrate this run. And as

1512
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,000
much as said looked like a real big time player

1513
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,159
in wwfter in this run, in his mind, all he's

1514
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:48,560
thinking about is how much he would have been guaranteed

1515
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,079
if he was in WCW and the opportunities that creates

1516
01:15:52,119 --> 01:15:53,760
perhaps for him to dick off a little bit and

1517
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:57,000
still get paid. Right, He's tremendous, is what he is,

1518
01:15:57,079 --> 01:16:01,359
which under Vince's stuff, which under Vince's system you can't

1519
01:16:01,399 --> 01:16:03,880
really do. I mean, you get paid because you work

1520
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,079
on shows that Vince perceives you helped, you know, draw

1521
01:16:07,079 --> 01:16:08,600
a big house for or big pay per view by

1522
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,079
rate for and then you get, you know, through some

1523
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,399
completely opaque formula, a slice of that. And if he

1524
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,960
perceived my sense is if he perceives you're unhappy, or

1525
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,079
if he perceives that he needs to keep you closer

1526
01:16:21,119 --> 01:16:22,840
to the vest, he bumps you up and you get

1527
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,479
a bigger check than you would have expected. And he

1528
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,000
does that strategically along the way to make to keep

1529
01:16:28,039 --> 01:16:30,319
your sort of eyes wide about what the possibilities might

1530
01:16:30,359 --> 01:16:32,199
be for bigger checks down the road. If you continue

1531
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:35,079
pleasing him. You know that that's how he used to

1532
01:16:35,119 --> 01:16:36,239
operate and so.

1533
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 3: How can you pleasure me?

1534
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 6: That's how the contract were.

1535
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 3: Listen said, I'm in the business of.

1536
01:16:50,319 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 6: Go ahead, say it.

1537
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:57,119
Speaker 3: I'm in the business of pleasure, and I need to

1538
01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:01,760
know before I offer you anything. How are you going

1539
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:02,800
to pleasure.

1540
01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:10,159
Speaker 7: What?

1541
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 6: He needs to know this. He needs to know this

1542
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:20,319
before he offers him anything, as if what he's willing

1543
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:22,600
to do to please Vince isn't in direct correlation to

1544
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,439
how much he's willing he's going to make. You know,

1545
01:17:27,159 --> 01:17:29,279
So you mean for zero dollars, what am I willing

1546
01:17:29,359 --> 01:17:30,680
to do for you? Is that the question?

1547
01:17:33,279 --> 01:17:33,560
Speaker 3: Nothing?

1548
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:38,279
Speaker 6: Well, you tell me right, not what most say, Pal.

1549
01:17:39,159 --> 01:17:41,119
I follow your logic, Pal, but that's not what most

1550
01:17:41,119 --> 01:17:43,239
say when I put that proposition to them. I tell

1551
01:17:43,239 --> 01:17:45,199
you those that have strong answers to that questions are

1552
01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:46,600
working here making very good money.

1553
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 3: Right now, I've had a numerous pleasure you know, pleasure

1554
01:17:55,039 --> 01:17:57,000
positive experiences.

1555
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,520
Speaker 6: And here I am thinking PPE stood for personally protective equipment.

1556
01:18:17,359 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 3: Where do you come up with this ship?

1557
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 6: I swear to God's pleasure positive experiences, He's in the

1558
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:25,600
pleasure of business.

1559
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,199
Speaker 3: Are you fucking kidding to say?

1560
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 6: And you can picture said like basically short circuit and

1561
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,920
you're trying to process what all these code words mean.

1562
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:43,159
Speaker 3: No, no clue. Look, I just want to wrestle.

1563
01:18:44,319 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 6: That's what you want to do. That's your side on

1564
01:18:47,039 --> 01:18:57,159
what I want to receive. I just want to wrestle.

1565
01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:00,520
That's what you want to do. That's not what I

1566
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,960
want to receive. What what do you want to receive.

1567
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:07,239
Speaker 7: Of?

1568
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:11,279
Speaker 6: It's good you're you're so certain, right. If you know

1569
01:19:11,319 --> 01:19:12,880
what you don't want to receive, that must mean you

1570
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:14,000
know what you do want to receive.

1571
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:18,199
Speaker 3: Listen again, you know the the the the ability to

1572
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,600
compete in the ring is something that you offer. But

1573
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:26,760
in reception, I need something that is a little more

1574
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:38,079
ethereal than ahead ethereal. And what else is I just?

1575
01:19:38,199 --> 01:19:40,800
I need, you know, I need. I need something that

1576
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,880
kind of expands my mind, expands my my sensory.

1577
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:52,119
Speaker 6: The fuck, oh my god. I never know what this

1578
01:19:52,199 --> 01:19:52,960
guy's gonna say.

1579
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,359
Speaker 3: Because I can hire any I can't. I can bring

1580
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,399
any any schmuck in here and say go ahead and wrestle.

1581
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:06,039
But I need, you know, what do I get in

1582
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:07,159
this in this venture?

1583
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:10,199
Speaker 6: He's thinking to himself, what does this guy want me

1584
01:20:10,279 --> 01:20:14,159
to say? For Christ's sake, It's like because now now

1585
01:20:14,199 --> 01:20:16,119
it's too late. Now you can't go back to Dusty.

1586
01:20:16,199 --> 01:20:18,039
So it's like, now, Vince, like wait a minute, let's

1587
01:20:18,039 --> 01:20:18,600
really talk here.

1588
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,239
Speaker 3: And and you know, I need to know exactly how

1589
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:30,359
you are going to give me pleasure. I am a

1590
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:35,439
pleasure receptor and I require your services.

1591
01:20:39,279 --> 01:20:42,119
Speaker 6: It's like an androgen receptor, like the It's what the

1592
01:20:42,199 --> 01:20:48,920
steroids attached to. Oh my god, I mean, what what

1593
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,199
do you want? Like you want to you wanna have

1594
01:20:51,359 --> 01:20:54,960
like it's not kind of what happens if you want

1595
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,239
to go, we can go. We haven't seen the doc yet.

1596
01:21:04,359 --> 01:21:09,560
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, listen, it's just no behavior.

1597
01:21:10,319 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 6: We haven't seen the doc yet. And I'm not talking

1598
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:13,119
about Carlin Kolker.

1599
01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:15,680
Speaker 3: Okay, So.

1600
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:19,159
Speaker 6: All right, Well they go back and forth and Sid

1601
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:22,039
says the deal is this that he's going to come

1602
01:21:22,119 --> 01:21:24,439
in and they're gonna do something they've never done before.

1603
01:21:25,079 --> 01:21:26,720
All Sid is going to do for the first year

1604
01:21:27,239 --> 01:21:29,600
is TV's and pay per views. And remember this is

1605
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:33,159
before Raw. This is you know, that's not much at all.

1606
01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:35,960
You got a couple of TV tapings basically, and worked

1607
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,279
a big pay per view and you know, he does

1608
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:40,000
have to go on the road.

1609
01:21:41,159 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 3: That that was what he says.

1610
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 6: Sid says was his understanding about the terms of his arrival,

1611
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:48,239
and it was kind of Vince's idea of how to

1612
01:21:48,319 --> 01:21:50,439
really accentuate and get Sid ready for a position of

1613
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:54,359
that magnitude, and so he was all about that. And

1614
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,800
he says after WrestleMania like basically WrestleMania. According to Sid,

1615
01:21:58,079 --> 01:21:59,840
and this lines up with what Dave Meltzer has said

1616
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,439
and what others have said over the years, WrestleMania is

1617
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:05,279
going to be WrestleMania eight is going to be where

1618
01:22:05,279 --> 01:22:09,239
you're crowned. Now, when I say crowned, do I necessarily

1619
01:22:09,279 --> 01:22:12,520
mean become WWF champion? I think that's what if I'm

1620
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,800
like putting the pieces together. That's what Vince said, for

1621
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,279
what it's worth. Bruce Pritchard, who was in between ww

1622
01:22:18,399 --> 01:22:19,600
F ten years at this time, so he was not

1623
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,880
in the office, says that's just not something Vince does.

1624
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:23,840
Vince does not promise someone WrestleMania like that.

1625
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:25,239
Speaker 3: They might hear that.

1626
01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:27,600
Speaker 6: And we know, you know from Brett Hart's story about

1627
01:22:28,199 --> 01:22:30,439
getting the Winter holl Cog and how when you actually

1628
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,920
get everyone in a room, Vince will go back on

1629
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,800
what you thought you heard about his promises.

1630
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:39,239
Speaker 3: I didn't say you will. I said, you know, it's

1631
01:22:39,279 --> 01:22:43,199
a possibility, right, I can see you a very good

1632
01:22:43,319 --> 01:22:49,680
possibility that you will someday main event a WrestleMania type event.

1633
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,520
Speaker 6: All I said said is I can see you having

1634
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:54,560
WrestleMania as your crowning moment.

1635
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 3: I can. I can see you at a WrestleMania esque event.

1636
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:05,560
Not in necesscessarily, he's not even promising wrestle Mania, you know,

1637
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:10,600
a main event of sorts. But you know these are

1638
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:14,399
these are neither here nor there right at this point.

1639
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,279
Speaker 6: Well, this is a Sid who was so incapable of

1640
01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:18,920
remembering the name of the pay per view when he's

1641
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,800
cutting promos for it that, according to him, they had

1642
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,399
to put a sign up and say, just tell Sid

1643
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,800
to say Mania. Oh my god, is he saying wrestling Mania?

1644
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,199
Wherever else he's saying no.

1645
01:23:29,039 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, god damn it. Said, what are you saying out there?

1646
01:23:34,399 --> 01:23:38,680
I'm seeing wrestling Mania. That's what I thought. You said,

1647
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,840
It's just wrestle Mania. It's not wrestling Mania. Why the

1648
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,760
fuck would I name my show? I want to name

1649
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,760
anything wrestling Mania? What do you think this is? I

1650
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,279
think it's gonna be the colossal tussle. You bitch.

1651
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:55,079
Speaker 6: Oh shit, I can feel that hand warming up. It's

1652
01:23:55,119 --> 01:23:57,760
not gonna fly yet, but it's warming up. That's the

1653
01:23:57,800 --> 01:23:59,840
first time Vince felt a tingle in his palm.

1654
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:07,359
Speaker 3: A bitch, I will not answer that question. Oh yes,

1655
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:11,720
you will. No, I will not. You don't know what.

1656
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 6: Instead of saying no, he says, I'm not going to

1657
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:26,199
answer that question. This is going to be a battle

1658
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:29,119
and a showdown of two Titanic wits, these two over

1659
01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:32,640
the years. I have the feeling and something tells me

1660
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,039
Sid is not going to accept defeat, no matter how

1661
01:24:35,079 --> 01:24:37,319
clearly Evince comes out the victor and all of their dealings.

1662
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:41,479
So that's what Sid has in his mind. And Sid's

1663
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:45,279
big thing about this run is that his expectations coming

1664
01:24:45,319 --> 01:24:48,680
in were just like subverted from the beginning, Like nothing

1665
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,079
went the way he envisioned when he came to terms

1666
01:24:51,119 --> 01:24:53,239
to come to WWF. And this is part of it,

1667
01:24:53,359 --> 01:24:55,760
is that he apparently had a belief that he'd only

1668
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,880
be working TVs and pay per views until WrestleMania, and

1669
01:24:57,920 --> 01:24:59,760
then after WrestleMania he'd be a made man and then

1670
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,800
he'd on how shows and you know, will have been

1671
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,880
set up such to draw on how shows in a

1672
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,479
way that is tantamount to like a whole Coganesque position.

1673
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,399
I guess it's kind of if you put on a

1674
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,039
piece together. What what his expectation was, and again that

1675
01:25:12,079 --> 01:25:14,119
he'd come in as a babyface, because the Hogan spot

1676
01:25:14,199 --> 01:25:17,520
is a baby face spot. Sid has said in interviews

1677
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,319
that Vince told him, We've never done this with anyone,

1678
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,079
and Sid's response says, well, how the fuck am I

1679
01:25:22,119 --> 01:25:23,479
going to get paid for a year if you don't

1680
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,920
give me money, Like if your whole model here is

1681
01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:26,720
earn that money.

1682
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:28,239
Speaker 3: But but you're.

1683
01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 6: Purposely not putting me on the road enough to earn anything, well,

1684
01:25:32,199 --> 01:25:33,359
I mean anything substantial.

1685
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not doing anything. You're doing that to yourself.

1686
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,359
I'm offering you an opportunity, but.

1687
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 6: You're kind of not because you're not putting on the

1688
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,000
road to earn money night after.

1689
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,279
Speaker 3: You Because I can't guarantee you anything, I can't guarantee

1690
01:25:45,279 --> 01:25:47,520
you're going to get this, but I can guarantee you

1691
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,640
one thing. You will have an opportunity.

1692
01:25:52,039 --> 01:25:55,399
Speaker 6: See here, Sid at WWF, the real money is made

1693
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,279
by going out there night after night and performing up

1694
01:25:58,279 --> 01:26:00,720
to the fans expectations and building your market value with

1695
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,720
the fans. You have a chance to do that night

1696
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:04,920
after night here towf and get paid in accordance with

1697
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,880
that effort. However, I am not going to put you

1698
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,359
on ninety percent of those shows. And Sid's like, where

1699
01:26:11,359 --> 01:26:14,000
do I sign? But he comes back and says, where

1700
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,039
am I going to get paid? Like, you know, like literally,

1701
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:18,079
how is the money going to? Because a lot of

1702
01:26:18,119 --> 01:26:20,079
this money is, you know, the draws on the road.

1703
01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:21,520
You know, you know you've got a certain amount of

1704
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,680
money you can expect to make, and so you go

1705
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,960
to the actual show and draw cash out in your

1706
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,800
bank account and that's how you survive week to week.

1707
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,680
But you have to be in the building to get

1708
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:33,239
it from the agents and stuff you do right. And

1709
01:26:33,319 --> 01:26:34,840
so what Sid says is Vince came back and said,

1710
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,600
We're going to take care of you. Don't worry about

1711
01:26:37,319 --> 01:26:38,479
the fact that you're not going to be in all

1712
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,520
these house shows in and impacting the kind of money

1713
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,640
you expect to make. So that already is something that

1714
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:48,079
has Sid kind of sideways about the deal. But he

1715
01:26:48,399 --> 01:26:52,079
really likes or really believes in this, buys into this

1716
01:26:52,279 --> 01:26:56,039
way of presenting him and pushing him, and and I

1717
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:58,239
kind of, you know, I kind of believe it because

1718
01:26:58,239 --> 01:26:59,760
the way they first start working him in it is

1719
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,239
only TV tapings. It's not like all of a sudden

1720
01:27:02,279 --> 01:27:04,159
Sid starts showing up on a bunch of house shows

1721
01:27:04,199 --> 01:27:06,159
that that no one's heard of to get his his

1722
01:27:06,319 --> 01:27:06,880
his reps in.

1723
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 3: He really doesn't.

1724
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,239
Speaker 6: They really just start using him on Superstars tapings, as

1725
01:27:10,279 --> 01:27:13,399
we'll get to, so perhaps early glimpses of that really

1726
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,840
being Vince's plan, but ultimately at the end of it,

1727
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,840
you know, he's looking at a seven hundred and fifty

1728
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,520
thousand dollars potential haul from WCW and he said, I

1729
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,680
never made that kind of money in WWF. I made

1730
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,800
good money, but he didn't make that much. And he

1731
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,119
said he made one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for

1732
01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:34,199
WrestleMania eight. So you know, Vince can say, look, you're

1733
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:36,439
gonna there's a chance you could make seventy five percent

1734
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:38,840
of your salary that ww's offering you in one night.

1735
01:27:39,319 --> 01:27:41,319
That's how much of a big cash night WrestleMania is.

1736
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:43,680
And that's how much of it I share with the talent,

1737
01:27:44,399 --> 01:27:46,560
especially the top of the card. So that's a huge

1738
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:48,159
payday you one hundred fifty grand. I'm I don't know

1739
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,479
if it's a three four year contract, four or five

1740
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:55,359
year contract at seven hundred and fifty grand total. However

1741
01:27:55,399 --> 01:27:58,279
that shakes out every year. You could say, you know, wow,

1742
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,680
like but every year wrestler, he's not gonna be that

1743
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,039
kind of money for him. He doesn't. He doesn't get that,

1744
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:04,600
or I think by the time he does get that,

1745
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,439
it becomes how can I get the fuck out of

1746
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,920
this situation? Of course kind of kind of deal. And

1747
01:28:11,079 --> 01:28:12,840
as as we heard Sid say at the conclusion of

1748
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,680
last week's episode in the final analysis, he thinks this

1749
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:19,920
WWF run that we cherish so much, that burned him

1750
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,399
into our memories forever, such that we remember magazine articles,

1751
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,359
we remember all the toys, you remember all the promos.

1752
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,640
A mistake, that's how Sid chalks it up. A mistake,

1753
01:28:29,159 --> 01:28:31,680
that's right, because of what the WCW contract was that

1754
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,840
he left on the table to do this run that

1755
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:35,560
we all remember him so much for.

1756
01:28:36,399 --> 01:28:37,039
Speaker 3: Never forget that.

1757
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:41,399
Speaker 6: A twenty eighth nineteen ninety one Superstars taping, sid Udy

1758
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,479
walks into a WWF arena for the first time, Boss May.

1759
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:47,600
Speaker 3: I'm ninety one. Can we deal with this? I can't.

1760
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:49,239
I can't.

1761
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 6: He attacks me.

1762
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:53,399
Speaker 3: He's supposed to just debut at SummerSlam.

1763
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 6: Phenomenal. The thing about this, So it's in Tucson, Arizona.

1764
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:03,399
They're taping television, and they don't tape this for television,

1765
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,039
but it is a TV taping. The Mounie is out there,

1766
01:29:06,359 --> 01:29:07,840
and what he do is come out and like do

1767
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,600
an open challenge. They do this with all kinds of heels,

1768
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:13,239
not just the Mounie, and Sid came out for the

1769
01:29:13,279 --> 01:29:16,359
first time. Imagine being at this show and fucking Sid

1770
01:29:16,399 --> 01:29:18,479
from WW watch the curtain to answer the call.

1771
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:19,640
Speaker 11: I'd be wild.

1772
01:29:20,279 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 6: So he gets in there, apparently and just clears the

1773
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:26,359
Mouni from the ring. According to well you know what's

1774
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:29,800
known of what happened on this show? As I said, well,

1775
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,560
it took place into television taping, it wasn't taped for television,

1776
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,640
it never aired. And then on the June eighth episode

1777
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,159
in nineteen ninety one of Primetime Wrestling, we start getting

1778
01:29:40,199 --> 01:29:43,560
vignettes promoting Sid's debut.

1779
01:29:44,399 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 2: It's the last fan wrestling podcast.

1780
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:03,279
Speaker 1: Give Me a Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and

1781
01:30:04,399 --> 01:30:05,399
and JP Soro.

1782
01:30:06,119 --> 01:30:08,119
Speaker 6: So he's in he's in the inner sanctum now and

1783
01:30:08,279 --> 01:30:12,960
he's you know, learning the ways of WWF. And one

1784
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:15,520
of the first things he becomes acquainted with is the

1785
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,399
you know, Vince McMahon's inner circle, his cronies Patterson, all

1786
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:21,159
the way on down. And in an interview with the

1787
01:30:21,319 --> 01:30:25,359
In Your Head podcast, Sid talks about one particular interaction

1788
01:30:26,199 --> 01:30:29,319
with Vince's Lieutenant Pat Patterson that kind of gave him

1789
01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:30,840
a feeling that he's going to be along for quite

1790
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,800
a ride here under the auspices of Titan Sports.

1791
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:38,600
Speaker 8: Now, Jim Barnett, you never would have known Pat was

1792
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,600
a little more so you know where again, you know,

1793
01:30:42,199 --> 01:30:45,199
I remember how was It was my first show with

1794
01:30:45,239 --> 01:30:47,199
the w w F, and I was brought in just

1795
01:30:47,319 --> 01:30:50,640
to see how the show runs, and somehow ended up

1796
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:54,439
in the call with Pat and Vince and uh JJ

1797
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:59,439
Dillon and Howard Finkel and Pat asked if how one

1798
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,399
that come out watch lightning with him and Vance I said, no,

1799
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,600
I don't want to come out and watch fucking lightning

1800
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:09,279
with you guys. He grabbed me in a waist lock

1801
01:31:09,359 --> 01:31:13,359
at the counter. I actually shot and went around. He

1802
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,119
goes I guy said, bastard vance. I said, no, you don't.

1803
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:20,479
I shot and went around and grabbed him. And you know,

1804
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,359
hearing all the stories, I'd be liar if I didn't say.

1805
01:31:23,399 --> 01:31:24,439
I was a little bit nervous.

1806
01:31:26,359 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 6: So Pat welcoming in to the table. Uh, yeah, there

1807
01:31:30,079 --> 01:31:30,760
was a little over there.

1808
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:34,039
Speaker 3: You keep your baseball bat in your pants.

1809
01:31:37,159 --> 01:31:40,239
Speaker 6: Now, what he doesn't understand is that when Pat said,

1810
01:31:40,279 --> 01:31:41,640
do you want to come out and watch the lightning,

1811
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:49,279
there's a comma between out and end. Uh and no,

1812
01:31:49,359 --> 01:31:51,359
Sid is not going to come out, Pat. But I

1813
01:31:51,399 --> 01:31:53,279
guess they were going to like stand on the balcony

1814
01:31:53,319 --> 01:31:56,720
of the hotel and watch a lightning storm, and Sid

1815
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:00,600
was not about that. Welcome to the WWF right, So

1816
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:03,399
these vignettes start showing his face. Have you do you

1817
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:04,399
remember these ever seen?

1818
01:32:05,039 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 3: Come in here? What's a boss? I just want to just,

1819
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,760
you know, we get to sit now. I want to

1820
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,159
kind of feel him out. He's a big motherfucker. He's

1821
01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:18,239
a big motherfucker. You damn right. I'm just curious about

1822
01:32:18,279 --> 01:32:22,279
him on a personal level. Want to try to fucking

1823
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,000
I thought that was your job, boss, I mean, didn't

1824
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,399
you know. I mean, I'll fucking financially. Don't worry about that.

1825
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:31,720
I want you to try to fornicate with him, have

1826
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:33,800
sexual relations with him, and see what happens.

1827
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 6: Oh, Boss, you know about about it, But I I

1828
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:39,479
don't think it's gonna end up too well for you. I'dea,

1829
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:41,239
it's a big he's a big bastard. I don't know

1830
01:32:41,319 --> 01:32:43,840
if he if he's not up for it, A fearful well,

1831
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:45,600
it's just you don't have to do it.

1832
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,279
Speaker 3: Just kind of, you know, feel him out of for it,

1833
01:32:47,399 --> 01:32:49,920
you know, just I just want to know if, if

1834
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:54,199
you know where in what capacity justice will be served.

1835
01:32:55,399 --> 01:32:57,520
Describe a waistlock in the hotel lobby. Will you pell

1836
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,520
see how he reacts to that? What I'm doing?

1837
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:02,399
Speaker 6: It's not funny.

1838
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 3: Oh we're just playing around, big Sid. Is that being

1839
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:07,840
a good joke? You want to come watch the lightnings?

1840
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:14,279
Don't watch lightning? It scares me.

1841
01:33:17,079 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 6: She Sid declines the offer, goes into his hotel room,

1842
01:33:23,119 --> 01:33:26,439
pulls the covers up to his chin, and just shudders

1843
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:28,880
with fear like a dog every time the lightning goes off,

1844
01:33:29,319 --> 01:33:36,439
and then goes hats on the balcony with a high ball.

1845
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:41,640
Oh wow, that that's an impressive one right there. I mean, I, oh,

1846
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:45,399
well for you pretty amazing. But Vince has his glasses

1847
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:48,479
like he's he's working at the desk near the near

1848
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:49,279
the balcony.

1849
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, with like a with one little desk lamp. Yeah,

1850
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,720
it's great lightnings and such stuff there. Nature at his best.

1851
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,520
He would say something, Dylan's sitting on the bad like

1852
01:34:01,399 --> 01:34:05,800
like reading a reading Playboy or something. Yeah, yeah, Pat,

1853
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:09,359
you just enjoy that lightning storm, watched nature to ejaculate

1854
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:14,319
all over the fucking country whatever it was. If we

1855
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:17,560
need that more of that, more of nature's scene.

1856
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 6: Oh then you got what Oh but you got to

1857
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,079
come see it. This is it's funny about them. I

1858
01:34:24,159 --> 01:34:24,600
got a cop.

1859
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 8: See.

1860
01:34:25,079 --> 01:34:26,600
Speaker 6: He's like, all right, oh godcha.

1861
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,279
Speaker 3: I've seen I've seen all I need to see of

1862
01:34:30,399 --> 01:34:33,560
nature and all of it's some stormic activity.

1863
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:38,520
Speaker 6: Oh my god.

1864
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 11: You know.

1865
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 6: And they were in they're in Florida. And it became

1866
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,880
it became tough after nineteen ninety two because when he

1867
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,319
had you know what, he asked people if they want

1868
01:34:51,359 --> 01:34:53,439
to go watch the lightning in Tampa. They thought they

1869
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:57,880
met the hockey team, you know. But so there he

1870
01:34:58,039 --> 01:35:03,479
is said, trembling trembling at the thought, now do you

1871
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,680
remember these vignettes that first started introducing him to or

1872
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:06,640
how they went about it there.

1873
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:08,720
Speaker 3: I wasn't watching yet. I had no clue when I

1874
01:35:09,039 --> 01:35:11,039
when I when I started watching all I you know,

1875
01:35:11,119 --> 01:35:12,720
I harded hearing about this guy and I was like,

1876
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,000
who the fuck is this Sid? Like, right, he doesn't

1877
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:19,119
have a has Bro you know, my my roster, and I,

1878
01:35:20,319 --> 01:35:22,920
you know, it's true, the roster that I was familiar

1879
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:27,840
with were whoever was whoever had a halfbro figure makes

1880
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:29,640
a ton of sense at that point. The way they

1881
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:32,880
did it was they started shooting vignettes where everybody in

1882
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:35,960
the roster started talking about the Sid justice that was

1883
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,560
coming to the W And I didn't have any words

1884
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,800
from Sid. It just had a picture of Sid, well,

1885
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,600
like a video of Sid close up of him making

1886
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:46,960
maniacal faces or making you know, kind of normal faces,

1887
01:35:47,039 --> 01:35:50,600
but set to music that was very It wasn't like

1888
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:54,640
psycho music, but it was kind of like looming, you know,

1889
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,039
foreboding kind of music, like, oh, what is this guy

1890
01:35:57,119 --> 01:35:59,600
going to be about? And they had people from Piper

1891
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:03,239
to to across the talent roster just do these interviews

1892
01:36:03,239 --> 01:36:05,479
about this guy that's coming in as if they all

1893
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:07,720
know about him before we've ever laid eyes on him

1894
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:09,960
as fans, and these things to start earring on primetime

1895
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,399
wrestling and on the syndicated shows, and it's a hell

1896
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:13,920
of a way to bring a guy in. I can't

1897
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,960
remember them doing it quite this way where they have

1898
01:36:17,079 --> 01:36:19,640
a bunch of wrestlers talk about the arrival of a

1899
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:23,680
guy before he gets there, you know, and such. That's fascinating.

1900
01:36:24,279 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 6: And this is at a time when you know, certainly

1901
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,039
there'd be WCW fans that would recognize him. But this

1902
01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:31,560
is not at a time where you came in, you know,

1903
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:34,359
to WWF and most of the fans knew who you

1904
01:36:34,399 --> 01:36:37,920
were ahead of time. So they could really mold this

1905
01:36:38,079 --> 01:36:41,079
clay in terms of how fans would perceive Sid coming

1906
01:36:41,159 --> 01:36:43,840
in the door without a ton of context. And so

1907
01:36:44,039 --> 01:36:45,840
here's a sample of how it starts to sound on

1908
01:36:46,079 --> 01:36:48,439
primetime and we'll we'll dig into this a little more

1909
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:56,800
as we got any.

1910
01:36:58,239 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 14: Launch.

1911
01:37:00,319 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 15: Stay are shitty, got three and seventeen pounds, six foot nine.

1912
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 16: Justice can do anything he wants to.

1913
01:37:18,359 --> 01:37:19,199
Speaker 1: Sid Justice.

1914
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 3: He's just the man I've been looking for.

1915
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 17: With your size and intensity, you're a prime candidate for

1916
01:37:27,039 --> 01:37:28,520
my chief tax collector.

1917
01:37:29,159 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 3: And you know what that means, you.

1918
01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:33,640
Speaker 17: Tax cheats out there wouldn't be able to cheat one

1919
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:39,279
more day, Bobby he In.

1920
01:37:39,399 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 2: The mystery continues to grow concerning this.

1921
01:37:42,199 --> 01:37:44,199
Speaker 17: New arrival here in the World Wrestling Federation.

1922
01:37:44,079 --> 01:37:48,079
Speaker 8: Sid Justice, Well, I know Jimmy Hart and Sessational Sherry

1923
01:37:48,159 --> 01:37:50,199
and coach, and I know some of the people are

1924
01:37:50,319 --> 01:37:52,279
are we really looking forward to signing this guy up?

1925
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 2: But well, perhaps he doesn't want a manager.

1926
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:55,319
Speaker 11: I don't know.

1927
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:56,600
Speaker 3: Perhaps he's on his own.

1928
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:58,359
Speaker 11: Big as he is, he can be on his own,

1929
01:37:58,359 --> 01:37:59,079
he can be alone.

1930
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 3: So there's all that booing, I sort of think that

1931
01:38:04,039 --> 01:38:08,800
it was Skinner coming down. Yeah, that's probably got it from. Honestly,

1932
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,359
I watched a Prime Time where Skinner was on and

1933
01:38:11,399 --> 01:38:12,800
all I heard was booing when they went back to

1934
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:17,479
the studio. But that's pretty fucking intriguing for the time.

1935
01:38:18,399 --> 01:38:19,880
I want to know what this guy's about. After that.

1936
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,159
Speaker 6: Of course, Roddy Piper at ir S there on those

1937
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:26,119
pre tapes, and Sean Mooney and Bobby Heenan inside the

1938
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:28,760
Primetime wrestling studio where they filmed it, filled it rather

1939
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:33,680
with Titan employees to cheer or jeer as appropriate. So

1940
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:35,279
that's how we started hearing about this Sid And you

1941
01:38:35,319 --> 01:38:39,239
heard that music, man, that's that's some like scary music there.

1942
01:38:39,319 --> 01:38:39,520
Speaker 9: It is.

1943
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 3: It's definite thing that I would be I was expecting.

1944
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 6: So we go forward to July and as these things

1945
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:53,039
are airing on WWF Television WWF Tapes TV at the

1946
01:38:53,279 --> 01:38:57,920
Saddle Dome in Calgary, and what this is is Sid's

1947
01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:03,239
very first w w F. The aforementioned appearances were him

1948
01:39:03,359 --> 01:39:05,359
running out when a heel issues a challenge in clearing

1949
01:39:05,399 --> 01:39:09,159
the ring, not having a bona fide matchup, and do

1950
01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:10,359
you know what's great about this match?

1951
01:39:10,399 --> 01:39:10,560
Speaker 9: Boss?

1952
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,600
Speaker 6: They released it on the WWE unreleased DVD set Get

1953
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:18,159
Out of Here? Are you prepared to watch Sid's very

1954
01:39:18,279 --> 01:39:22,600
first WWF match? No talk about and while I prepare,

1955
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,319
this your earliest memory of him in the ring, Like,

1956
01:39:26,399 --> 01:39:27,920
what do you remember him doing in the ring?

1957
01:39:28,319 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember it now. I imagine that I

1958
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:36,399
saw him. I imagine that it's funny. So I imagine

1959
01:39:36,399 --> 01:39:39,520
that I must have seen him on All American Wrestling

1960
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,039
at some point, because that's pretty much all I was

1961
01:39:42,079 --> 01:39:46,960
watching during late ninety one was All American Wrestling. So

1962
01:39:47,079 --> 01:39:49,399
I imagine he must have wrestled at some point on there,

1963
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:54,600
But honestly, the first real memory I have of him

1964
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:58,960
in the ring is that that I can concretely remember

1965
01:39:59,239 --> 01:40:03,399
is that Saturday Night main event, he and Hogan. That's

1966
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:06,359
what I can definitely remember as being you know, I

1967
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:10,439
know I saw him wrestle there, but I'm wonder if

1968
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:12,680
you have such a gesus he was like top of

1969
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:17,840
his game by then. Yeah, yeah, and that's that's kind

1970
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:20,600
of that's kind of it, like that's where that's that's

1971
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,960
my my biggest memory of when he turns on Hogan

1972
01:40:24,039 --> 01:40:26,880
and becomes the really crazy psychopath.

1973
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:30,039
Speaker 6: So you really had no conception of Sid as a babyface.

1974
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:32,199
You really just learned of him very It.

1975
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:34,399
Speaker 3: Was very little. Like I mean again, I was watching,

1976
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:36,800
and so I knew who he was, and I must

1977
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,520
have seen him wrestle against the Jobber. I must have,

1978
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:42,199
because I'm sure he was doing it fairly regularly, given

1979
01:40:42,279 --> 01:40:46,840
that he was still so fresh, you know, but I

1980
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:50,560
I didn't really know. I certainly didn't know about any

1981
01:40:51,159 --> 01:40:56,159
affiliation with Hogan or really this much about this uh,

1982
01:40:56,279 --> 01:41:02,760
this Jake Roberts thing either, right, But you know, I

1983
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:04,279
knew he was a baby face. I knew he was

1984
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:08,680
a good guy, and I knew by February that he

1985
01:41:08,760 --> 01:41:10,279
was a friend of hultkviin. So if he's a friend

1986
01:41:10,279 --> 01:41:11,399
of Hull Covid, he's a friend of mine.

1987
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:14,279
Speaker 6: Open that little link I just dropped in your email

1988
01:41:14,319 --> 01:41:17,359
box there, and we're about to watch and it's available

1989
01:41:17,399 --> 01:41:21,560
on YouTube, isolated from the aforementioned unreleased set that came

1990
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:23,119
out with It's like a three disc set with a

1991
01:41:23,159 --> 01:41:27,239
bunch of matches that are just historical curiosities. Yeah, they

1992
01:41:27,319 --> 01:41:30,520
had Sean Mooney and Charlie Caruso. I think do the

1993
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:34,520
stuff in studio, not between the matches. But here it is,

1994
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:36,960
and you're going to listen along. This is, of course

1995
01:41:37,079 --> 01:41:39,920
not it's on television taping, but it's not tape for distribution,

1996
01:41:40,039 --> 01:41:43,159
so there's no commentary right for the match, but you

1997
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:44,680
can hear the sights and sounds of the building and

1998
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:47,800
the ring and everything. Let me know when you're ready,

1999
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:49,880
and we're gonna watch it along with the Solar. I'm

2000
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,239
ready to go, So if you have it, follow my lead.

2001
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:59,159
I'm going to hover here over the play button and

2002
01:41:59,239 --> 01:42:10,520
we're gonna play on my one three two one the

2003
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:13,640
following contests right one.

2004
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:17,399
Speaker 5: Ball, left pointed to the ring license, nice and all.

2005
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:23,359
Speaker 3: Sure by the sensations sixty pounds making old jacket, I

2006
01:42:23,399 --> 01:42:24,279
guess he was as.

2007
01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:26,640
Speaker 18: The pairs.

2008
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:33,079
Speaker 2: Million dollars of tad do be awfi you.

2009
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:34,239
Speaker 6: Can hear my audio pops.

2010
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:51,359
Speaker 3: Yes, where Mike McGirk.

2011
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:54,840
Speaker 6: And his opponents for the first time.

2012
01:42:55,039 --> 01:42:59,199
Speaker 19: Weighing a three hundred and eighteen pounds. I'm hailing from

2013
01:42:59,319 --> 01:42:59,880
any place.

2014
01:43:00,119 --> 01:43:04,199
Speaker 2: He wants to make Jess said.

2015
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 3: Justice all music. I can hit him tower above the people,

2016
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:13,399
and he's over the hid.

2017
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,199
Speaker 7: Everybody in waw wrestling rating, they notice what man they're

2018
01:43:18,359 --> 01:43:19,479
what they man?

2019
01:43:20,399 --> 01:43:22,279
Speaker 18: The man is aid Justice.

2020
01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:25,520
Speaker 6: So I was doing that whole short monologue to the

2021
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:29,760
cameo from the very beginner. Yet and he's got red trunks.

2022
01:43:30,319 --> 01:43:34,000
Wow oo, I sure he doesn't let it ok, that's

2023
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,760
got rass on it. Put of the distractions. The dibios

2024
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:39,760
can kick it off for the fetal accident and learn

2025
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,720
also set So I invite to look at sid as

2026
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:43,039
a face.

2027
01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:43,239
Speaker 7: Here.

2028
01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:45,680
Speaker 6: This is this is the most unvarnished.

2029
01:43:46,079 --> 01:43:53,079
Speaker 3: Like a few week I get to my parents for sEH.

2030
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:58,159
It's it's faster than they put him against Ted dibiosiste.

2031
01:43:58,720 --> 01:43:59,640
Speaker 6: Yeah that says a lot too.

2032
01:44:00,239 --> 01:44:04,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well established of course reverse the ropitep. That's hilariot.

2033
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:06,279
It's one of the abs.

2034
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:09,520
Speaker 6: And Ted's pumping for him like you would a big

2035
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:13,680
time to anything yep. And sixteen the floor goes tap

2036
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:17,119
and so he's screaming like he's a big ten day before.

2037
01:44:23,039 --> 01:44:26,399
It's funny because say Ted as a podcast and co

2038
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:29,439
host friend said died bid an episode of course, said,

2039
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,039
is a snapshot happen And they try trying to get

2040
01:44:32,439 --> 01:44:34,760
Ted to talk about this match, and they kind of,

2041
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:36,600
you know, if it was simple like the Devins had

2042
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:38,560
trust and tend to figure out if sid was in

2043
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,840
the bookcause it's such a tripping out or the title. Yeah,

2044
01:44:41,000 --> 01:44:43,159
and doesn't remember who fucking doesn't remember a day of

2045
01:44:43,239 --> 01:44:44,319
this question.

2046
01:44:44,279 --> 01:44:48,600
Speaker 3: A minute of this match said, uh gets table to

2047
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:50,640
big a time of trap. Yes, it's over at the

2048
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:52,319
top of the floor. Then I take it together show

2049
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:56,159
the imagine being his uh you know, being his coach

2050
01:44:56,159 --> 01:44:57,960
hos time on the show and like you know, you're

2051
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,399
pulled building your whole show around Ted talking about this.

2052
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:05,399
Speaker 6: Match, no fucking number round and as it so fucking

2053
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:10,880
the totally run down. But I'm sure there is.

2054
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:11,319
Speaker 3: Something to do.

2055
01:45:12,079 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 6: I'm sure Vince parried him in his first aunt to

2056
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:16,359
do the gunner and I do the asses. Yeah, sure,

2057
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:20,359
see I never conn a little at a million bucks. Yeah,

2058
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:22,319
if you can ever put ants up into asso and

2059
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:25,319
you're not gonna have the knife Ted picking them up

2060
01:45:25,319 --> 01:45:26,920
and dragon and said to the floor. It's just wild this,

2061
01:45:27,079 --> 01:45:30,800
he said, selling like this, like kicking the chops. It's

2062
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:32,479
almost like they want to see the full rings that

2063
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:32,760
that you.

2064
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:33,119
Speaker 3: Can do it?

2065
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, already, then pushing some tools wake.

2066
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:41,319
Speaker 3: They also trust to one set of the post, so

2067
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:43,399
pushes any from the floor and he also takes it

2068
01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:50,319
on the shower and the red truck trag flat tray.

2069
01:45:50,359 --> 01:45:51,239
That tchabout that?

2070
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 6: I screaming, he says. The rod here are by a

2071
01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:02,880
show can hide that drop? How about sid paar enough

2072
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:05,600
background and the drop to me, I love that.

2073
01:46:05,800 --> 01:46:08,000
Speaker 3: That's it. That's just thing I thought for the new arms,

2074
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:09,760
and we started doing as old as.

2075
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:11,520
Speaker 6: The skyscraper days to put the crowd on the side.

2076
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:15,159
Speaker 3: Very sid oh the.

2077
01:46:15,159 --> 01:46:19,119
Speaker 6: Loaded hers shows a purse, tell him.

2078
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:22,079
Speaker 3: And that's why jesus you get up there. I havn't

2079
01:46:22,079 --> 01:46:30,920
said did Clinton take fully black bunks try to show

2080
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:34,600
that he's he's a team play. Would him takes high

2081
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:38,239
bus for you can't take me be awesome?

2082
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 6: It probably is exquesting that if I want to be

2083
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:44,079
a baby face, you need to see what it looks

2084
01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:44,920
like for yourself.

2085
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:49,359
Speaker 3: Jesus fucking flu you doing a big times if I

2086
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,760
believe that you love Jesus girl.

2087
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:57,119
Speaker 6: Power to kick out. I look at the traps on Sid.

2088
01:46:57,359 --> 01:47:02,560
Speaker 3: Look at it, look big traps there you strang?

2089
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:03,680
Speaker 9: What?

2090
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 20: Yes?

2091
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:06,159
Speaker 3: He did the fist drop Sid set up.

2092
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:08,840
Speaker 6: I gotta talking about ah and this one he doesn't

2093
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:11,600
really he's dead. I used to love how said he

2094
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:15,960
used to sell just emotions.

2095
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:22,159
Speaker 7: I am.

2096
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:28,720
Speaker 3: I am not going to suggest winning sed.

2097
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:29,920
Speaker 21: I don't know.

2098
01:47:30,039 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting. He just fucking fell light flat back

2099
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,199
and said, shown who can take a vertical sup.

2100
01:47:35,159 --> 01:47:36,479
Speaker 6: Life to kill.

2101
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,199
Speaker 3: Though. I haven't really got to teach to call.

2102
01:47:43,479 --> 01:47:46,279
Speaker 6: And inter way war for her rights.

2103
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:47,680
Speaker 3: I just want to kind of see what you can do.

2104
01:47:48,079 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 6: You're gonna kind of lose, and you're able.

2105
01:47:51,359 --> 01:47:58,199
Speaker 3: You're arsenal. You're allowed to portray him entertainment stand part

2106
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:01,479
and were being entertain right now, said Hits it takes

2107
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,119
a thin body snag from Tobasso falls off the middle

2108
01:48:04,199 --> 01:48:07,760
right with that back of their attacks. It's stupid. This

2109
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:09,520
is a stupid way.

2110
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:16,239
Speaker 6: It said, catches an inner right hand. Oh goes off

2111
01:48:16,399 --> 01:48:21,840
that fucking face because big white hands come on the

2112
01:48:22,159 --> 01:48:25,640
DBS and buckle Si with the stinger splash. Who ever

2113
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:26,399
saw that from him?

2114
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:32,079
Speaker 3: That was like, you know, almost a Stiller splash, but

2115
01:48:32,319 --> 01:48:38,439
he kind of shoulder first and lag deep stir in.

2116
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:40,359
Speaker 6: The next to second attack on the right guns one

2117
01:48:40,399 --> 01:48:43,119
times there gets said Basco man that a repining verdict

2118
01:48:43,279 --> 01:48:44,840
takes off for the double acid on the back of

2119
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:49,880
the head. Those golden curls of said justice ship looks

2120
01:48:50,039 --> 01:48:53,399
up the garnish with big ten reversal by Sid who

2121
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:55,600
we got here, we are, here, we go where we

2122
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:57,640
go power bomb and they know.

2123
01:49:00,399 --> 01:49:02,359
Speaker 3: He falls with it to the knee, stucks him up.

2124
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:04,039
Speaker 6: It's over.

2125
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:06,399
Speaker 3: Who as a sheet.

2126
01:49:08,039 --> 01:49:08,600
Speaker 6: All music.

2127
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:15,960
Speaker 3: Either's people raising hulk hogn videos. That's kind of.

2128
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:19,439
Speaker 6: Imagine going home from the saddle down that night and

2129
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:22,640
be like, yes, Sid was there and he fucking beat

2130
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:23,920
Dbasi with no problem.

2131
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:26,239
Speaker 3: Unreal.

2132
01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:28,880
Speaker 6: I mean, maybe they came out with this because there

2133
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:30,720
was a period of time where I wasn't paying very

2134
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,960
close attention to WWDVD releases. Maybe they came out with

2135
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:35,720
this and I don't know, but where is the DVD

2136
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:39,760
with everyone's everyone who matters first match?

2137
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:42,279
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Man? They should do that.

2138
01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:47,079
Speaker 6: That'd be tremendous, at least their first televised match, their

2139
01:49:47,159 --> 01:49:51,439
first first match taped, because I'm you know, not everybody

2140
01:49:51,479 --> 01:49:53,199
starts on a TV taping like this, though I bet

2141
01:49:53,239 --> 01:49:54,760
a lot more do than you would think that matter

2142
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:57,239
that who he would care to see their first WWF

2143
01:49:57,319 --> 01:49:59,880
match on? But there should be a release. I mean

2144
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:04,439
seven discs. I don't care of everyone who's ever mattered

2145
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:06,880
the first match they've ever had on tape for WWF.

2146
01:50:07,239 --> 01:50:08,039
Get to work, folks.

2147
01:50:08,079 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 3: Where is it?

2148
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:08,880
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2149
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,119
Speaker 6: Right, get it out? Put it on peacock Like, what

2150
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:13,800
the fuck are you waiting for? Put ads in there,

2151
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:17,000
programmatic ads each match. Let's make some money here and

2152
01:50:17,079 --> 01:50:20,720
let's give the people. Let's finally realize the promise.

2153
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:20,840
Speaker 3: Of the vault.

2154
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,319
Speaker 6: Do you know what I'm saying exactly? This is a

2155
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:26,079
tantalizing glimpse, this unreleased matches thing of what they could do.

2156
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:29,640
But it's just like a grab bag of different matches

2157
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:31,640
that you know, you might be curious about that never

2158
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:33,600
saw air, and this is a great example of it.

2159
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:37,279
Speaker 3: So I think that'd be an amazing DVD set to

2160
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:41,640
just have all, like a number of people's first WWE matches.

2161
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 6: And it'd be so much sweeter too, if it's like

2162
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,000
this one where there's no commentary and you just get

2163
01:50:46,039 --> 01:50:49,439
to hear the crowd's organic reactions seeing this character for

2164
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:54,239
the first time. Amazing, amazing stuff. So so fortunate that

2165
01:50:54,359 --> 01:50:57,640
this came out, you know, and that we weren't toasting

2166
01:50:57,760 --> 01:50:59,560
Sid before we got a chance to see a match

2167
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:03,399
like this. Yeah, that's been one of the magic of TLFX.

2168
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:03,640
Speaker 13: Man.

2169
01:51:04,199 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 6: As we've gone, it's become more and more sensible to

2170
01:51:07,960 --> 01:51:10,239
look back on careers because more and more material has

2171
01:51:10,359 --> 01:51:13,800
come out. It's just like, the access to stuff like

2172
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:15,800
this that we had to just imagine in our heads

2173
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:19,600
before is it's just amazing. So he continues on the

2174
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:22,159
loop that again was July eighth of nineteen ninety one.

2175
01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:24,760
He turns around works July ninth, nineteen ninety one, a

2176
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:29,359
TV taping in Edmonton defeating the Warlord does Sid justice again?

2177
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:32,279
I believe in a match that never saw air. He

2178
01:51:32,359 --> 01:51:34,119
then moves to the team it ain't so I know

2179
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:36,439
it's not fair, and look at this is in keeping

2180
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:38,840
with the promise he's not in any house shows. He

2181
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:40,880
jumps next to a TV taping in Worcester, mass on

2182
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,960
July twenty ninth, where he takes on Typhoon and defeats him.

2183
01:51:44,319 --> 01:51:46,000
And then he jumps to a TV taping in Portland,

2184
01:51:46,039 --> 01:51:48,800
Maine on July thirtieth, nineteen ninety one, to defeat Typhoon again.

2185
01:51:49,319 --> 01:51:49,600
Speaker 3: Wow.

2186
01:51:50,119 --> 01:51:52,239
Speaker 6: And he made his WWF television debut on the July

2187
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:56,319
twentieth episode of Superstars of Wrestling, and it just goes

2188
01:51:56,359 --> 01:51:59,800
from there. Now, what we're about to watch is a series.

2189
01:52:00,199 --> 01:52:02,880
It's it's like a it's a compilation that someone put

2190
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:04,640
together on YouTube, and I'll be sure to shout them

2191
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:07,199
out here, but I think it's a really nice compendium

2192
01:52:07,239 --> 01:52:09,039
that kind of gets us up to speed on how

2193
01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:11,960
sid was being presented in these early WWF days, including

2194
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:14,920
I mean we're talking July here, not much time until survivors,

2195
01:52:15,359 --> 01:52:16,439
pardon me, until SummerSlam.

2196
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:17,359
Speaker 3: SummerSlam.

2197
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:19,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you got to get him positioned as the

2198
01:52:19,039 --> 01:52:22,239
special guest referee, and you know things are on the

2199
01:52:22,279 --> 01:52:24,520
skids with Warrior and WWF, so I'm sure Vince is

2200
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,279
starting to have a wandering eye as far as you know.

2201
01:52:27,359 --> 01:52:29,720
If if we don't have much time left with the

2202
01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:31,279
Warrior because he's such a pain in the ass, how

2203
01:52:31,319 --> 01:52:33,920
am I going to position the next baby face to

2204
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:34,800
get the hulk Hogan rub?

2205
01:52:35,199 --> 01:52:38,159
Speaker 3: How can I get Sid to be the next Hulk Hogan? Wait?

2206
01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:38,279
Speaker 7: What?

2207
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:44,119
Speaker 3: Who's the next hull Hogan brother? What do you mean, dude?

2208
01:52:44,119 --> 01:52:46,000
Who's the heck hul Hogan brother? Terry?

2209
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:48,479
Speaker 6: I just felt obliged to call you. I just got

2210
01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:51,319
off the phone with Sid from ww and he had

2211
01:52:51,359 --> 01:52:53,760
one He had one wish. I said, you know, here's

2212
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:56,199
the magic wand and well, what do you want?

2213
01:52:56,439 --> 01:52:56,520
Speaker 22: Right?

2214
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:58,359
Speaker 6: I want to see what he'd come up with? And

2215
01:52:59,399 --> 01:53:01,319
I want to run a by your pal. He said

2216
01:53:01,319 --> 01:53:02,279
he wants Hogan spot.

2217
01:53:04,279 --> 01:53:08,720
Speaker 3: What do you mean by that? Brother? I said, said,

2218
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:10,800
what do you want? And he said, I want huld

2219
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:13,319
Cogan spot? And I said, all right, you got it.

2220
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:19,279
How do you feel about that, Terry? What do you

2221
01:53:19,399 --> 01:53:24,600
mean by how I feel? It's gone? Dallest thing back, dude,

2222
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:26,920
For a moment, It's kind of like whoa dude, and

2223
01:53:27,079 --> 01:53:29,800
I kind of jumped ahead, Brother kind of came, you know,

2224
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:31,640
kind of jumped the gun and the whole thing. Dude,

2225
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:37,960
who are you talking about? Brother, I'm talking about Sid

2226
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:47,760
said so Justice the next hult Cogan, h U who

2227
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:51,359
you been talking to? Brother? I'm not gonna said, what

2228
01:53:51,399 --> 01:53:52,439
do you mean? Said dude.

2229
01:53:53,239 --> 01:53:54,720
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, dude. I'm in a little bit of a

2230
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:55,680
state of shock right now.

2231
01:53:56,159 --> 01:53:59,039
Speaker 3: I gotta say, dude, I'm taking a back Brother, and

2232
01:53:59,119 --> 01:54:01,399
I'm kind of like, you know, kind of replay kind.

2233
01:54:01,239 --> 01:54:03,079
Speaker 6: Of I'm waiting for you to like laugh or like

2234
01:54:03,199 --> 01:54:05,119
you know, just say you're you're you're ribbing me and

2235
01:54:05,359 --> 01:54:06,159
you're not doing that.

2236
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 3: I'm kind of replaying the last like seven years in

2237
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:10,800
my mind, dude, at at a kind of drastic pace.

2238
01:54:11,159 --> 01:54:14,119
I was kind of understanding, dude, dude, where does Sid

2239
01:54:14,279 --> 01:54:17,920
kind of you know the equation? Brother, I'm not really

2240
01:54:18,119 --> 01:54:20,000
kind of digging this kind of creative move, Dude.

2241
01:54:20,039 --> 01:54:23,760
Speaker 6: I've seen him. He's Jack Brother, looks like a million

2242
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:27,279
bucks dude, but you told him he could have my spot?

2243
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:29,520
Speaker 3: Like what I mean, well, how do we know what

2244
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:32,000
you're going on? Hiatus? And uh, you know you gotta

2245
01:54:32,079 --> 01:54:33,960
leave you know, steroids and all that ship. We gotta,

2246
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:35,439
we gotta let you go. I said, he can be.

2247
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:42,960
You can take the Hulk Hogan spot. What do you

2248
01:54:43,039 --> 01:54:45,319
mean by that, brother, Well, I mean you go and

2249
01:54:45,399 --> 01:54:49,640
the next day and you know, we introduce Hulk Hogan

2250
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:58,319
and said, Justice, what you're gonna be Hulk Cogan. Dude, well,

2251
01:54:58,319 --> 01:55:01,640
he's not gonna be Terry Blea. He's gonna be We're

2252
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:01,880
gonna be.

2253
01:55:02,279 --> 01:55:05,840
Speaker 6: We thought for a second, okay, well I'm not as

2254
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:08,159
weird as I was, because at first, brother, I thought

2255
01:55:08,199 --> 01:55:10,399
you meant you were gonna put yellow trunks on him

2256
01:55:10,399 --> 01:55:13,640
and call him Hulk Hogan. I mean, that's my spot.

2257
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:16,399
I mean, hmm, it's sound like you're above doing it

2258
01:55:16,479 --> 01:55:19,399
with sit and diesel. I mean with a razor and diesel.

2259
01:55:21,319 --> 01:55:23,960
I'm gonna he's gonna he's gonna come down. So right now,

2260
01:55:24,039 --> 01:55:27,880
he said, Justice, Right, I get it. So you know

2261
01:55:27,960 --> 01:55:32,079
you're gonna go, You're gonna go take your hiatus after WrestleMania,

2262
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:35,880
and so right after that was You're gone. He's gonna

2263
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:38,359
be hul Cogan. He's gonna come down with the whole

2264
01:55:38,399 --> 01:55:41,479
Camania shirt and red in the yellow and he's gonna

2265
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:43,880
come down, it's gonna rip it off. And so I say,

2266
01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:46,760
you know what you're gonna do? Brother, I'm hul Cogan.

2267
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:51,279
Speaker 9: I don't.

2268
01:55:55,199 --> 01:56:05,119
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna little m I don't know. Can you

2269
01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:08,680
plan a you could you just kind of go step

2270
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:15,520
by step? Brother? What is it? How are you bookings?

2271
01:56:16,479 --> 01:56:19,239
Need to understand? Like what am I kind of like?

2272
01:56:19,399 --> 01:56:21,439
What am I am? I putting my my my gimmick

2273
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:23,159
on the line. Dude? Is that what I mean?

2274
01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 6: I'm the red and yellow.

2275
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 3: Ye.

2276
01:56:25,199 --> 01:56:26,920
Speaker 6: You're saying he's gonna have yellow trunks. No, Terry, He's

2277
01:56:26,920 --> 01:56:30,000
gonna have red trunks, red trunks.

2278
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:32,479
Speaker 3: He's going to be brother of the the the the

2279
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:33,439
other whole Cogan.

2280
01:56:34,079 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 20: What what.

2281
01:56:38,239 --> 01:56:40,439
Speaker 3: What do you mean? What what what other Hull Cogan

2282
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:44,600
is gonna be the you know whole Cogan number two brother?

2283
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:45,800
Like Invader number two.

2284
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:49,079
Speaker 6: You know Assassin number two. You know we always wrestling to.

2285
01:56:50,159 --> 01:56:51,760
Speaker 3: What do you what do you have there? And they

2286
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:54,479
get you know, number one number two, you get the

2287
01:56:54,760 --> 01:56:58,319
Mass Superstar number one, you have Mass super Terry.

2288
01:56:58,359 --> 01:57:01,640
Speaker 6: Come on, come on, you know Tim Woods, right, mister

2289
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:02,840
wrestling too in Atlanta?

2290
01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:06,159
Speaker 3: What you know what Woods? Dude?

2291
01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:07,279
Speaker 6: What a tremendous.

2292
01:57:07,319 --> 01:57:07,479
Speaker 3: Mark.

2293
01:57:08,680 --> 01:57:10,560
Speaker 6: What I'm trying to say in our business, Terry, there's

2294
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:16,119
a rich heritage of number twos. We believe in number two,

2295
01:57:18,039 --> 01:57:21,399
no matter where it lands, no matter who's facing. And

2296
01:57:21,439 --> 01:57:23,920
I'll tell you, we believe in number two. And I'm

2297
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:27,000
a big fan of number two. So we're gonna we're gonna,

2298
01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:30,439
you know, he's so so yes, he'll be hul Cogan

2299
01:57:30,520 --> 01:57:33,399
number two, and then he's gonna become hul Covid number

2300
01:57:33,439 --> 01:57:38,119
one after you're gone. Instead of mister wrestling too, we're

2301
01:57:38,159 --> 01:57:42,560
gonna call him Hulk Hogan number two. Well, mister Hulk

2302
01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:46,239
Hogan two, it's gonna be his name, mister, mister Hulk

2303
01:57:46,279 --> 01:57:54,079
Hogan two. All right, fine, another shirt, mister, and.

2304
01:57:54,119 --> 01:57:56,560
Speaker 3: Then and then you come back. But eventually he's going

2305
01:57:56,600 --> 01:57:59,680
to become mister Hulk Hogan one. And then you come

2306
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:03,079
back and you're mister mister Hulk Covid number two, and

2307
01:58:03,239 --> 01:58:14,239
Rocks are gonna call you Hulk dookie. What's going on, dude,

2308
01:58:14,239 --> 01:58:15,760
I'm kind of are you ribbing me?

2309
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:16,000
Speaker 7: Brother?

2310
01:58:16,039 --> 01:58:20,560
Speaker 3: I'm in his I feel like I'm getting April? All right?

2311
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:24,000
Are we talking double ribs? Dude? Well, brother, I'll just

2312
01:58:24,239 --> 01:58:27,840
what's next the ribs? Dude? Are we there? Are we there? Exactly?

2313
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:29,760
Speaker 6: Are we at the point of double ribs? Are we

2314
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:31,000
at the point of meta ribs?

2315
01:58:32,039 --> 01:58:35,279
Speaker 3: Brother? What's next? Interested we can go out? There's a

2316
01:58:35,359 --> 01:58:36,920
barbecue place where you can go do we can get

2317
01:58:37,039 --> 01:58:40,960
double ribs? If that's what you're feeling, dude, I'm are

2318
01:58:41,039 --> 01:58:42,239
you double ribbing me? Brother?

2319
01:58:42,319 --> 01:58:44,720
Speaker 6: What's next? Like Doukie house a m D Brother?

2320
01:58:47,359 --> 01:58:49,560
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you want me to fucking doctor? Dude?

2321
01:58:50,439 --> 01:58:55,479
Is that what I'm doctor? Doctor? Doukie? Dude? Well, I mean,

2322
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:57,680
Terry's not a bad idea, brother, I've.

2323
01:58:57,520 --> 01:58:58,279
Speaker 6: Been here a long time.

2324
01:58:58,359 --> 01:58:58,560
Speaker 3: Dude.

2325
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:00,439
Speaker 6: Made you a lot of money, brother, and you made

2326
01:59:00,439 --> 01:59:02,680
me a lot of money to it. I'm forever appreciative, brother.

2327
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:05,199
But to have this bullshit of Hulk Hogan number two

2328
01:59:05,279 --> 01:59:07,359
come in, brother, and you're gonna actually call him that?

2329
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:10,239
I mean this, this dude's big, but he's no Hulk Hogan, brother,

2330
01:59:10,279 --> 01:59:11,720
and he's definitely no hul Hogan number two.

2331
01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:13,359
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, Terry, I mean, how do we know

2332
01:59:13,479 --> 01:59:14,319
he's on a hul COVID?

2333
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:17,760
Speaker 23: What that was?

2334
01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:18,359
Speaker 3: Immediate?

2335
01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:19,119
Speaker 23: Terry?

2336
01:59:19,119 --> 01:59:20,520
Speaker 6: How do we know he's out a hull COVID. What

2337
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:28,720
let me get a sentence out first, pal, here's a box.

2338
01:59:29,039 --> 01:59:32,079
Speaker 3: I'm here, not done speaking, Terry, you just gotta wait till.

2339
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:35,399
Speaker 6: What Look, here's some schematics. We've drown up here, sit

2340
01:59:35,479 --> 01:59:36,479
on a box of wheaties.

2341
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:41,359
Speaker 3: Look what we've done is we've done We've we've kind

2342
01:59:41,399 --> 01:59:47,039
of done a a A A an image alteration and

2343
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:52,039
we've looked like we've seen what sid you know, mister

2344
01:59:52,159 --> 01:59:55,000
Hulk Hogan too would look like on the cover of

2345
01:59:55,159 --> 02:00:03,560
Sports Illustrated, the same one. Oh yeah, we're gonna put

2346
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:06,279
this out there. We're gonna, you know, after your take

2347
02:00:06,319 --> 02:00:11,439
your hiatus because of your you know, you're misuse of steroids,

2348
02:00:11,479 --> 02:00:14,800
We're gonna bring in problem and so I'll have a problem, dude.

2349
02:00:14,840 --> 02:00:17,119
I'm I'm what do you mean a problem? I'm dude.

2350
02:00:17,319 --> 02:00:20,079
I've used steroids, brother, but I'm not a steroid abuser dude.

2351
02:00:20,279 --> 02:00:22,199
Speaker 6: And we're gonna bring in someone in your stead that

2352
02:00:22,319 --> 02:00:24,279
definitely doesn't use steroids and said.

2353
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:27,159
Speaker 3: Well we know for a fact that terror that that

2354
02:00:27,399 --> 02:00:32,720
that that Terry Too said, Terry Udy, what what you mean,

2355
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:34,520
Terry Youdy Doe, what's that mean?

2356
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:34,800
Speaker 9: Brother?

2357
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:36,319
Speaker 3: Terry Justice?

2358
02:00:37,319 --> 02:00:43,600
Speaker 6: What picture of the has Bro. Okay, the said Justice

2359
02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:51,399
has Bro. But instead of Suggestice Terry Justice, Terrence Justice,

2360
02:00:51,399 --> 02:00:52,960
we're talking Terrence Mania.

2361
02:00:54,000 --> 02:01:00,399
Speaker 3: What I love that. I mean, Terrence, where are we going? Dude?

2362
02:01:01,199 --> 02:01:02,079
What's the game plan?

2363
02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:08,079
Speaker 6: He starts like just basically reverting to this like game plan,

2364
02:01:08,239 --> 02:01:10,920
game plan, like that's that's that's his emergency button, like

2365
02:01:11,399 --> 02:01:13,680
what he feels under siege, Like what's the plan? What's

2366
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:16,119
the game plan? Like, I need to see the game plan?

2367
02:01:16,239 --> 02:01:16,439
Speaker 24: Brother?

2368
02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:21,159
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, you know, Terry, you wanted to

2369
02:01:21,319 --> 02:01:24,399
You wanted to go and and and make movies. Brother,

2370
02:01:24,479 --> 02:01:26,239
you told me I couldn't. You said how to get

2371
02:01:26,279 --> 02:01:28,680
off the fucking juice? Dude, Terry, you know you have

2372
02:01:28,840 --> 02:01:34,439
your own problems with drugs. You're a drug addict. Jesus Christ, Vince.

2373
02:01:35,279 --> 02:01:36,920
Speaker 6: You you're breaking my heart.

2374
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:44,960
Speaker 3: Brother. Brother, I'm a mean dude. We've we've done ship together. Brother.

2375
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:49,399
That's how I know, Well, that's how I know you're

2376
02:01:49,439 --> 02:01:52,199
an addict because I know what I have done, and

2377
02:01:52,279 --> 02:01:53,880
I know what I'm capable of, and I know that

2378
02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:57,680
I'm it's impossible for me to be an addict. You

2379
02:01:58,680 --> 02:02:02,840
you are a completely addicted you know drug.

2380
02:02:04,279 --> 02:02:09,720
Speaker 6: You can I can I not leave unremarked upon what

2381
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:12,920
we've just sketched out here. If I'm reading this ride

2382
02:02:14,680 --> 02:02:16,359
the guy we just saw work Teddy b Assi in

2383
02:02:16,399 --> 02:02:19,319
his first w F match, Sid Justice is going to

2384
02:02:19,399 --> 02:02:21,800
go on to the point where Hulk exits stage right

2385
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:24,920
and he takes the center stage as the new Hulk Hogan,

2386
02:02:25,359 --> 02:02:31,199
and his name is going to be Terrence Justice. He

2387
02:02:31,359 --> 02:02:34,119
changes his name from Sid to Terrence when it's time

2388
02:02:34,199 --> 02:02:37,840
to be the top guy, Terrence Justice.

2389
02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:41,000
Speaker 2: He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast.

2390
02:02:54,359 --> 02:02:58,800
Speaker 1: He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and m

2391
02:02:58,880 --> 02:02:59,760
JP Sorow.

2392
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:01,760
Speaker 3: I mean, you could do Hulk Justice and that makes

2393
02:03:01,800 --> 02:03:02,279
you feel better?

2394
02:03:02,319 --> 02:03:02,399
Speaker 7: Bro?

2395
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:03,760
Speaker 3: What you know?

2396
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:04,159
Speaker 9: I don't.

2397
02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:07,880
Speaker 3: Can I talk to him? Brother? Can I talk to

2398
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:11,600
this Hulk Justice? Dude? Uh no, Terry, that's not really ethical?

2399
02:03:13,600 --> 02:03:15,279
Speaker 6: What uh vince?

2400
02:03:15,399 --> 02:03:15,520
Speaker 9: Uh?

2401
02:03:15,880 --> 02:03:18,159
Speaker 3: Sid is on the phone? Shit?

2402
02:03:18,920 --> 02:03:19,039
Speaker 25: Uh?

2403
02:03:19,880 --> 02:03:22,239
Speaker 6: All right, you know what, Just put him on there,

2404
02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:23,960
put him on speaker. Brother, We're gonna figure this out

2405
02:03:24,039 --> 02:03:24,279
right now.

2406
02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:27,880
Speaker 3: You put him on brother. Lets connect this fucking phone call. Dude.

2407
02:03:28,079 --> 02:03:30,720
I want to know what's going on, brother. I mean,

2408
02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:32,279
all right, you know what, if this is the way

2409
02:03:32,319 --> 02:03:33,439
it's going to be, it's the way it's going to

2410
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:37,159
be all right? Can you can you patch in mister

2411
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:44,199
mister Hulkgan too, please please Emily, mister McMahon, and also

2412
02:03:46,079 --> 02:03:51,520
take off your brother, Vince, Vince, I just want to

2413
02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:54,239
let you know you're on speakerphone and Terry's here, Hulks

2414
02:03:54,239 --> 02:03:55,560
here as well. Brother.

2415
02:03:55,680 --> 02:03:55,920
Speaker 9: What do you?

2416
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:58,960
Speaker 3: Who's this? Dude? Who are you? Dude? You want my spot?

2417
02:03:59,000 --> 02:03:59,199
Speaker 8: Brother?

2418
02:03:59,239 --> 02:04:01,359
Speaker 3: I talk to my spot. I want to know, dude,

2419
02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:02,359
where's my spot?

2420
02:04:02,439 --> 02:04:02,680
Speaker 12: Brother?

2421
02:04:03,239 --> 02:04:06,399
Speaker 3: Where did you put my spot? Dude? I had it

2422
02:04:06,520 --> 02:04:08,800
right on me, brother, this whole time, and now you're

2423
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:11,520
saying I'm getting word that you're taking my spot, but

2424
02:04:11,600 --> 02:04:16,319
you took it, dude? Where are you at? Brother? I

2425
02:04:16,439 --> 02:04:18,399
don't have the authorization to talk to you?

2426
02:04:19,439 --> 02:04:21,720
Speaker 6: What what a response?

2427
02:04:23,319 --> 02:04:23,560
Speaker 9: I mean?

2428
02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:27,920
Speaker 6: You talk about something that's gonna leave Hope just at

2429
02:04:27,960 --> 02:04:28,920
a loss for words.

2430
02:04:29,680 --> 02:04:30,159
Speaker 7: What do you what?

2431
02:04:33,520 --> 02:04:35,239
Speaker 3: Vince? What was he talking about? Dude? Uh?

2432
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:36,000
Speaker 11: Done?

2433
02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:44,560
Speaker 3: Said uh uh? I authorize you to converse with them

2434
02:04:45,439 --> 02:04:57,520
with Terry Beliam huld Cocain number one. Like, oh my god,

2435
02:04:58,039 --> 02:04:58,960
he says.

2436
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:04,159
Speaker 6: Sid, I authorize you to converse with dry book.

2437
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:07,279
Speaker 18: Why is he being so formal?

2438
02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:08,760
Speaker 3: What is he reading?

2439
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:13,520
Speaker 6: Like a contract out loud. Basically, what is he doing? Like,

2440
02:05:13,640 --> 02:05:16,680
what does he think what extra protection does he think

2441
02:05:16,720 --> 02:05:27,359
it affords him to say in that moment, Darren Hull

2442
02:05:27,399 --> 02:05:29,359
Coga number one, please meet all Coga number two.

2443
02:05:29,720 --> 02:05:33,680
Speaker 3: No, Cogan number one, please meet Hull Coga number two. Converse.

2444
02:05:35,319 --> 02:05:39,960
So I'm authorized. I want to get this straight. So

2445
02:05:40,039 --> 02:05:44,880
I'm gonna tell you something, Hulk Hogan. I told Vince

2446
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:48,359
McMahon that I wanted your spot.

2447
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:51,640
Speaker 9: What what.

2448
02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:56,439
Speaker 3: Spot are you talking about? Is gonna hit you in

2449
02:05:56,520 --> 02:05:59,680
the head like a spot. I'm gonna hit you in

2450
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:03,800
the head like a spot. Brother. We're talking about like allgion? Dude?

2451
02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:06,399
What do you mean by spot? Brother? Have I got

2452
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:07,680
lesion of doom?

2453
02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:07,960
Speaker 11: Brother?

2454
02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:20,960
Speaker 26: Allegion done? Shot the moon Dog's dude? Right oh now

2455
02:06:21,119 --> 02:06:21,880
talking about brother?

2456
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:25,800
Speaker 3: Told the moon dogs dude, what are you talking about? Brother?

2457
02:06:25,960 --> 02:06:31,840
Speaker 6: He's so exasperated, he's so he's so desperate for like clarity.

2458
02:06:33,399 --> 02:06:41,159
Speaker 3: Hull Cogan, I having my contract the whole Cogan spot.

2459
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:46,079
What Vince just looks down, he looks down at something

2460
02:06:46,119 --> 02:06:51,920
on his desk. I am, yeah, I don't know about bust.

2461
02:06:52,520 --> 02:06:57,119
I don't believe in contractual basis of uh employment. What

2462
02:06:57,239 --> 02:06:59,119
I do believe is in his handshakes.

2463
02:06:59,359 --> 02:07:02,439
Speaker 6: I don't believe it is a contractual basis of employment.

2464
02:07:04,159 --> 02:07:07,560
Speaker 3: I believe in handshakes. And there is no evidence whatsoever

2465
02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:10,960
that I have signed Sid to any contract that he

2466
02:07:11,079 --> 02:07:16,640
is claiming. I have the papers in my hand. I

2467
02:07:16,760 --> 02:07:21,560
have rod here a contract that says I am fulk holding.

2468
02:07:23,479 --> 02:07:26,720
Did you talk to Marvel first? Brother? Wait a minute,

2469
02:07:26,800 --> 02:07:31,840
what what is he talking about? Brother?

2470
02:07:33,039 --> 02:07:33,680
Speaker 11: What was he saying?

2471
02:07:33,800 --> 02:07:35,960
Speaker 3: Dude? I can't hear him, brother.

2472
02:07:36,079 --> 02:07:38,760
Speaker 6: I have gone on to the trouble of shaving my

2473
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:41,119
head up to the back of my hairline.

2474
02:07:41,479 --> 02:07:47,119
Speaker 3: I have a fu Manchu well, I mean sid Olk two.

2475
02:07:48,439 --> 02:07:50,760
We didn't talk about that. We didn't talk about the

2476
02:07:50,840 --> 02:07:56,479
facial features of them. Of mister Hogan one, hold on,

2477
02:07:56,600 --> 02:07:56,880
hold on.

2478
02:07:58,079 --> 02:08:00,560
Speaker 6: So with his months before he comes in, Sid gets

2479
02:08:00,640 --> 02:08:03,239
agreement across the table across the desk from Vince that

2480
02:08:03,279 --> 02:08:05,359
he's got Hogan spot if he just signs, he signs

2481
02:08:06,279 --> 02:08:09,319
and he has a report back date. Okay, because like,

2482
02:08:09,439 --> 02:08:11,840
let's say there's something contractual at WCW where he has

2483
02:08:11,880 --> 02:08:15,319
to wait it out. Four months later, they finally set

2484
02:08:15,319 --> 02:08:18,159
the appointment to sit down and talk about his future.

2485
02:08:18,279 --> 02:08:21,880
What shape it's going to take and sid youuty, picture

2486
02:08:21,920 --> 02:08:26,600
him shows up at Titan Towers with his hair shaved,

2487
02:08:26,680 --> 02:08:29,079
bald up the middle, and just a ring of hair

2488
02:08:29,119 --> 02:08:32,760
around his head just like Hogan and a fou manchee mustache. Cidyuty,

2489
02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:35,079
I thought it was gonna be all coke.

2490
02:08:35,800 --> 02:08:39,600
Speaker 3: Oh what's this power? I told you what I told you.

2491
02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:41,880
I wanted the Hull COVID spot.

2492
02:08:43,199 --> 02:08:45,800
Speaker 6: Okay, get to work, photoshoppers, you know what to do.

2493
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:48,640
He shows up with a fu Manchu.

2494
02:08:49,800 --> 02:08:52,399
Speaker 3: Just imagined. Also imagine too. It's not like he's got

2495
02:08:52,479 --> 02:08:55,800
Hulk Cogan's hair. He's got the curly hairs. All right,

2496
02:08:55,880 --> 02:08:56,800
you got the curly hair.

2497
02:08:57,000 --> 02:08:57,439
Speaker 11: But in that.

2498
02:09:01,680 --> 02:09:04,359
Speaker 3: Well, this is not exactly what I had planned when

2499
02:09:04,399 --> 02:09:08,520
I offered you or gave you the Hulkogen spot. Potentially

2500
02:09:08,680 --> 02:09:11,800
if things turned out that way, and you know, everything

2501
02:09:11,960 --> 02:09:15,600
worked out in your favor. But uh, this is certainly

2502
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:19,720
a development that we will take under consideration, and we

2503
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:23,119
will h Yeah. When Vince doesn't like the look, he

2504
02:09:23,199 --> 02:09:25,680
says things like this is certainly a development that we

2505
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:28,199
will take under consideration. That's when you know you fucked up.

2506
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:34,720
Speaker 8: He said, my church a case of Vina sausages. And

2507
02:09:34,840 --> 02:09:36,479
I sent him an autograph picture.

2508
02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:42,039
Speaker 3: I want you to do me a favor right now, okay,

2509
02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:49,800
I want you send I want you to send a

2510
02:09:49,960 --> 02:09:58,720
garden a the Ana sausages to all cod sid I listen, pal,

2511
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:01,560
I do a. I think that's a very generous gesture.

2512
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:04,319
I don't think you understand how hull Cogan is going

2513
02:10:04,399 --> 02:10:08,720
to take that. I don't dare. I want him to

2514
02:10:08,840 --> 02:10:12,680
know that I have his spot and he has.

2515
02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:15,039
Speaker 6: By the way, what he's saying all this, he has

2516
02:10:15,119 --> 02:10:16,960
his head shaved, almost bald, and he's a food man

2517
02:10:17,039 --> 02:10:17,680
chew mustache.

2518
02:10:18,159 --> 02:10:22,159
Speaker 3: I can't let that not I see. And you think

2519
02:10:22,239 --> 02:10:24,840
that is going to be accomplished with you with me

2520
02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:33,399
sending hull Cogan a box of Vienna sausages. I do

2521
02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:42,560
be sausages say a lot. I believe they do. I

2522
02:10:42,640 --> 02:10:47,640
believe they do. Well, let's tell you what. Let's not

2523
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:51,600
waste another moment. Let's uh have you down in the

2524
02:10:51,680 --> 02:10:54,760
studio and we'll take some photographs, some promotional photographs.

2525
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:55,119
Speaker 11: Is with.

2526
02:10:56,680 --> 02:11:00,199
Speaker 3: Mister, what do you what do you uh? What do

2527
02:11:00,239 --> 02:11:06,319
you want to call yourself? Hulk Justice? Ulk Justice? There

2528
02:11:06,359 --> 02:11:06,560
it is.

2529
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:11,279
Speaker 6: I look ten years on man, well, I love it

2530
02:11:11,359 --> 02:11:14,119
when Vince feels like he's in the alpha position, and

2531
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:18,720
it makes people feel like nothing. I equally adore when

2532
02:11:18,800 --> 02:11:22,000
Vince is actually worried that this guy might actually shoot

2533
02:11:22,039 --> 02:11:24,199
this office up and he starts dealing with him with

2534
02:11:24,319 --> 02:11:28,159
that that reticence in his voice. Oh my god, is

2535
02:11:28,239 --> 02:11:30,720
that depth? Is that depth?

2536
02:11:31,319 --> 02:11:31,520
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2537
02:11:31,560 --> 02:11:34,119
Speaker 3: When? When? When when vincick Man is not the craziest

2538
02:11:34,159 --> 02:11:39,760
person in the room, you know that there is an issue. Yeah,

2539
02:11:40,359 --> 02:11:45,079
let's tell you what, why don't you why don't you,

2540
02:11:45,560 --> 02:11:50,239
uh you take a break for a moment and we'll

2541
02:11:50,319 --> 02:11:53,720
be with you and we'll take some promotional photos with

2542
02:11:56,880 --> 02:12:01,399
Hulk Justice. This is great, This is great stuff. Pal,

2543
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:10,000
Can we get him uh down in wardrobe or something? Great? Better? Say,

2544
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:11,119
what the fuck are we going to do with this guy?

2545
02:12:11,439 --> 02:12:11,560
Speaker 7: Oh?

2546
02:12:11,720 --> 02:12:11,960
Speaker 3: How do you?

2547
02:12:11,960 --> 02:12:15,079
Speaker 6: Already wanted some sausages and I wanted to listen.

2548
02:12:15,359 --> 02:12:17,640
Speaker 3: No, you can go to Vienna on your own time.

2549
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:21,920
What we have here is we have a problem. He

2550
02:12:22,039 --> 02:12:27,760
wants to be Hult Justice Hulk Justice. How fucking stupid

2551
02:12:27,800 --> 02:12:29,800
is that? I mean, what do we do with that?

2552
02:12:30,920 --> 02:12:33,520
He's not even taking like maybe if he was Sid Hogan,

2553
02:12:34,439 --> 02:12:36,560
that's something we could work with the old Cogan's brother,

2554
02:12:37,439 --> 02:12:41,720
Hoult Justice makes no fucking sense. Who is this fucking guy?

2555
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:45,000
Speaker 6: I don't know, but you hired him?

2556
02:12:45,039 --> 02:12:48,760
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't hire him. I don't even talk

2557
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:49,119
to this guy.

2558
02:12:49,159 --> 02:12:49,479
Speaker 9: Who is he?

2559
02:12:49,520 --> 02:12:51,560
Speaker 3: He just came into my office, heying, he's Hulk Hogan.

2560
02:12:52,119 --> 02:12:54,720
Speaker 6: What appoignant question for you to ask at this point

2561
02:12:54,760 --> 02:12:58,600
of the show, Boss, who is this guy? Well, if

2562
02:12:58,640 --> 02:13:00,319
you pull up in the video link that I just

2563
02:13:00,359 --> 02:13:01,600
sent you, we're gonna get acquainted.

2564
02:13:02,279 --> 02:13:02,720
Speaker 3: Oh boy.

2565
02:13:04,479 --> 02:13:06,640
Speaker 6: This is a little more of the aforementioned vignettes of

2566
02:13:06,760 --> 02:13:09,640
you know, Sid's coming and different wrestlers on the roster

2567
02:13:09,720 --> 02:13:12,840
speaking to it, and then that transition into him being

2568
02:13:12,840 --> 02:13:15,720
announced as the special Enforcer for the Summer Slam nineteen

2569
02:13:15,800 --> 02:13:17,680
ninety one match. We're HULLL Cogan and the Ultimate Warrior

2570
02:13:17,720 --> 02:13:21,000
team up against Sargent Slaughter, General Adnon and Colonel Mustafa

2571
02:13:21,079 --> 02:13:24,800
and three on two Matchmaide in Hell. Right on the

2572
02:13:24,840 --> 02:13:26,960
other side of the match Made in Heaven the Randy

2573
02:13:27,000 --> 02:13:29,319
Savage Elizabeth wedding, which is the other I guess you

2574
02:13:29,359 --> 02:13:32,119
could say, main event of that landmark show both for

2575
02:13:32,279 --> 02:13:35,840
US and for the WWF at Madison Square Garden and

2576
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:38,279
so We're going to become acquainted with how Sid goes

2577
02:13:38,359 --> 02:13:41,840
from this man of tremendous mystery and mystique on WWF

2578
02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:46,520
television to the man who will insure justice in this

2579
02:13:46,640 --> 02:13:51,720
heated clash between superheroes hul Coke and the Warrior versus

2580
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:55,079
the Saddam Hussein sympathizers at SummerSlam. So if you're cute,

2581
02:13:55,119 --> 02:13:58,119
that is it I watched in the beginning. Yeah, we're

2582
02:13:58,119 --> 02:13:59,000
taking this all the way through.

2583
02:14:00,880 --> 02:14:04,199
Speaker 3: Hold on, I gotta ad here and then.

2584
02:14:06,119 --> 02:14:10,399
Speaker 6: Absolutely so a lot of coloring in here to do

2585
02:14:10,520 --> 02:14:13,159
on Sid's nineteen ninety one ww frun. It's all about

2586
02:14:13,159 --> 02:14:13,520
this run.

2587
02:14:13,600 --> 02:14:14,039
Speaker 3: So here we go.

2588
02:14:14,239 --> 02:14:22,319
Speaker 6: Three yep, two one. He's so scary, he's got his teeth.

2589
02:14:22,439 --> 02:14:23,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, clenched.

2590
02:14:26,680 --> 02:14:30,119
Speaker 7: Take you from Winston and me, Sid Justice as the

2591
02:14:30,239 --> 02:14:33,359
size and the strength to become a top dog.

2592
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:40,159
Speaker 14: Right here in the World Wrestling Federation, British bulldog.

2593
02:14:40,479 --> 02:14:43,199
Speaker 12: You and that Mangie Mutt Winston, do you think that

2594
02:14:43,359 --> 02:14:47,279
Sid Justice has all the qualifications of being the top.

2595
02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:48,920
Speaker 7: Dog in the World Wrestling Federation.

2596
02:14:49,880 --> 02:14:50,840
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you this.

2597
02:14:51,560 --> 02:14:53,920
Speaker 7: I know what road he's taking and it's going to

2598
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:55,319
be a surprise to you.

2599
02:14:56,560 --> 02:15:00,920
Speaker 2: You know, mister Perfect that said Justice is a god.

2600
02:15:01,079 --> 02:15:04,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's big, he's strong, and he looks straight.

2601
02:15:04,840 --> 02:15:06,520
Speaker 19: Kind of reminds me of myself.

2602
02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:14,159
Speaker 16: Yeah, hey, Mester Perfect, even though I hate doing a minute,

2603
02:15:14,439 --> 02:15:17,159
you're halfway right, said Justice.

2604
02:15:17,359 --> 02:15:21,000
Speaker 18: That's a big, strong and tough man. But he's also

2605
02:15:21,119 --> 02:15:25,560
hat saw Jim Duggett's kind of guy. Oh I don't

2606
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:37,319
think you said, Oh No, said Justice.

2607
02:15:38,079 --> 02:15:41,720
Speaker 7: He's big, he looks tough, he looks like he's done

2608
02:15:41,760 --> 02:15:43,279
the kick it hold on of button.

2609
02:15:45,039 --> 02:15:49,119
Speaker 3: That's a matter of fact. He kind of reminds me

2610
02:15:50,600 --> 02:15:51,039
of us.

2611
02:15:54,399 --> 02:16:00,359
Speaker 18: Rush said Justice. We've got one opening left the other

2612
02:16:00,399 --> 02:16:01,920
hard organization.

2613
02:16:01,560 --> 02:16:05,399
Speaker 7: And you fight even by oh you gotta be Is

2614
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:07,000
that nasty as a what a?

2615
02:16:08,600 --> 02:16:08,800
Speaker 18: Oh?

2616
02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:11,720
Speaker 3: Hey folks, Oh, Hack sage and dugging.

2617
02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:15,239
Speaker 7: I've been checking out this, said Justice, just like everybody else.

2618
02:16:15,439 --> 02:16:17,399
Speaker 3: And there's two things I admire about him.

2619
02:16:17,600 --> 02:16:20,600
Speaker 7: He's a tough guy, he's an American, and just like

2620
02:16:20,720 --> 02:16:24,199
Hack sage and Dugging, he stands for the good old USA.

2621
02:16:25,399 --> 02:16:29,479
Speaker 3: Behind that's right. Duggan, forking about.

2622
02:16:29,279 --> 02:16:32,680
Speaker 7: The USA stuff, said Justice is one of us.

2623
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:36,760
Speaker 2: That he's right, he's big, he's that's right to food.

2624
02:16:36,920 --> 02:16:39,520
He's big and he's made judging.

2625
02:16:45,959 --> 02:16:49,079
Speaker 6: Its menacing pos a size and power.

2626
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:52,319
Speaker 7: I said, Justice, he could easily becoming on the one

2627
02:16:52,399 --> 02:16:55,239
of us, but not your disaster, can.

2628
02:16:55,200 --> 02:17:09,120
Speaker 14: You that's a disasters version call him? Said Justice, a volcano?

2629
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:12,040
Got her all wrong, man, because any.

2630
02:17:11,920 --> 02:17:17,200
Speaker 3: Kind I used volcano in the natural disasters earthquakes, said

2631
02:17:17,360 --> 02:17:22,479
here's a volcano, but real good, real brother, And what

2632
02:17:22,719 --> 02:17:26,280
the fuck a referee? What the fuck is wearing?

2633
02:17:27,079 --> 02:17:31,120
Speaker 21: Doesn't get just hope he isn't buy a to fire

2634
02:17:31,440 --> 02:17:35,760
because he could beat a perspectim what you got under.

2635
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:40,799
Speaker 10: You don't need the likes of hor Rod Roddy Roddy

2636
02:17:40,879 --> 02:17:42,680
Piper and I R S.

2637
02:17:44,600 --> 02:17:47,840
Speaker 1: Said Justice, six foot down, three.

2638
02:17:47,760 --> 02:17:49,600
Speaker 7: Hundred and seventeen pounds.

2639
02:17:50,479 --> 02:17:51,360
Speaker 3: I don't know the guy.

2640
02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:54,959
Speaker 19: I don't know if he is I don't know if

2641
02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:57,200
he isn't, but I'm dying.

2642
02:17:57,319 --> 02:18:03,879
Speaker 3: That's see, Sid, Justice, You're.

2643
02:18:03,920 --> 02:18:07,200
Speaker 17: Just the man I've been looking for. With your size

2644
02:18:07,280 --> 02:18:12,280
and intensity, you're a prime candidate for my cheap tax collector.

2645
02:18:12,920 --> 02:18:15,719
Speaker 7: And you know what that means, you tax cheats out

2646
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:16,799
there wouldn't be able.

2647
02:18:16,680 --> 02:18:21,760
Speaker 6: To cheat one more game, lover flab Now the arena

2648
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:26,600
promos for summer, said man, Man, is.

2649
02:18:28,200 --> 02:18:29,760
Speaker 3: That I don't chair.

2650
02:18:31,319 --> 02:18:37,479
Speaker 21: Prod you that got Toddy may best still guest referee

2651
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:40,159
makes don't get friends too off.

2652
02:18:40,760 --> 02:18:42,879
Speaker 12: Wait a minute, do I understand you to say it

2653
02:18:42,959 --> 02:18:45,840
does not make any difference who the special guest.

2654
02:18:45,639 --> 02:18:47,000
Speaker 6: Referee at that one Slaughter.

2655
02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:48,000
Speaker 3: That's what he just said.

2656
02:18:48,159 --> 02:18:52,879
Speaker 12: Soever, Well, would you like to meet that special guest.

2657
02:18:52,760 --> 02:19:01,920
Speaker 21: Referee file me, I want to meet that special referee

2658
02:19:02,440 --> 02:19:06,120
for supper slam the batch made of hem.

2659
02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:12,719
Speaker 12: Here is special guest referee for the handicapped tag suit.

2660
02:19:13,639 --> 02:19:14,000
Speaker 19: Justice.

2661
02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:18,920
Speaker 18: Wow, that turn of hod come you are turning up?

2662
02:19:19,000 --> 02:19:20,239
Speaker 3: Are you ready?

2663
02:19:20,799 --> 02:19:21,479
Speaker 18: Task?

2664
02:19:22,120 --> 02:19:24,920
Speaker 3: For him to say these shows that he didn't Wait

2665
02:19:24,920 --> 02:19:25,879
a minute, these guys are.

2666
02:19:27,600 --> 02:19:30,959
Speaker 18: I guess we don't know shit. Justice stands in this

2667
02:19:31,120 --> 02:19:36,440
whole day presenting arms to suit.

2668
02:19:36,719 --> 02:19:38,479
Speaker 8: Justice jump to the.

2669
02:19:38,719 --> 02:19:42,479
Speaker 6: Car ship, all right, welcome to the core. He thinks

2670
02:19:42,479 --> 02:19:43,120
he's on his side.

2671
02:19:43,600 --> 02:19:44,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, se what sid has to say?

2672
02:19:46,520 --> 02:19:52,319
Speaker 27: Well, come just sagainst Slaughters for said justin.

2673
02:19:52,920 --> 02:20:00,719
Speaker 3: That the for your door, big pop, that's a that's

2674
02:20:00,760 --> 02:20:02,159
a that's a signal, and I've never heard of one.

2675
02:20:06,399 --> 02:20:10,319
Speaker 6: I'm sure we'll get the sizes differ. Sure, this old

2676
02:20:10,559 --> 02:20:17,760
w stubby traveling battery. He went to all three and

2677
02:20:17,799 --> 02:20:35,600
said he's not parts of their cores. A nice short promo.

2678
02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:41,399
He always thrived with those nothing complicated. Yeah yeah, let's yep.

2679
02:20:41,879 --> 02:20:44,639
D On Hogan and Warrior.

2680
02:20:44,319 --> 02:20:48,879
Speaker 3: Here with Jim Most said, it's going to face off

2681
02:20:48,920 --> 02:20:51,040
for the other half. There we go Blue.

2682
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:52,520
Speaker 6: No, he is soaking up.

2683
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:59,840
Speaker 3: Listening, going to be favoring something liquid pouring off his chin.

2684
02:21:00,399 --> 02:21:01,959
Put that star power. Look at that?

2685
02:21:02,079 --> 02:21:02,920
Speaker 6: Don't they look amazing?

2686
02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:05,920
Speaker 3: Guys, Jesus Christ, what a tree.

2687
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:09,680
Speaker 6: So Vince thought he was getting an international incident.

2688
02:21:10,719 --> 02:21:13,159
Speaker 11: R book by Justice.

2689
02:21:13,799 --> 02:21:15,559
Speaker 19: I recall recently.

2690
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:18,280
Speaker 6: Hear before he shrunked Cottius Good.

2691
02:21:18,159 --> 02:21:22,239
Speaker 12: Flutter in company, and they tried to persuade.

2692
02:21:21,799 --> 02:21:22,559
Speaker 3: You the studio.

2693
02:21:22,600 --> 02:21:24,520
Speaker 6: By the way, in the YouTube account of Louke Gregory

2694
02:21:24,559 --> 02:21:25,360
shout out to him for.

2695
02:21:25,399 --> 02:21:30,559
Speaker 12: This compilation of destruction general, it's entitled said Justice and

2696
02:21:31,399 --> 02:21:36,399
Sorry Flutter tv W definition view. The conclusion of that interview,

2697
02:21:37,239 --> 02:21:42,079
you emphatically line that you would have any association with

2698
02:21:42,319 --> 02:21:45,079
Sage and Slaughters for of destruction.

2699
02:21:46,120 --> 02:21:51,000
Speaker 18: However, back to the hardcare, Yep, this may not be

2700
02:21:51,120 --> 02:21:51,799
a handicap.

2701
02:21:53,280 --> 02:21:56,799
Speaker 3: He didn't even blocking gene like.

2702
02:22:00,280 --> 02:22:02,959
Speaker 6: Man, this little man's a big one for him.

2703
02:22:03,520 --> 02:22:10,239
Speaker 3: Yes, that might be more so, Man, do I might believe.

2704
02:22:12,639 --> 02:22:15,360
Speaker 6: Brother, Yeah, I'm not not.

2705
02:22:19,639 --> 02:22:26,440
Speaker 18: Savage al those at the same level he said justice.

2706
02:22:26,879 --> 02:22:28,319
Speaker 6: More your face, talking about.

2707
02:22:28,120 --> 02:22:31,520
Speaker 18: Intense everybody, give me a shirt of one.

2708
02:22:32,040 --> 02:22:33,760
Speaker 6: Spitting water flying off his head.

2709
02:22:35,440 --> 02:22:38,520
Speaker 7: I would be there for one reason that one't reason.

2710
02:22:38,639 --> 02:22:43,200
Only just see said justice and sire.

2711
02:22:46,440 --> 02:22:50,280
Speaker 28: Will be served, but just time will justice be served?

2712
02:22:50,959 --> 02:22:53,440
Speaker 18: WHOA, I don't know little lou either.

2713
02:22:55,000 --> 02:22:58,079
Speaker 3: I don't even know what I'm looking at. So Little

2714
02:22:58,159 --> 02:23:01,840
JP watching that would have been sufficiently Yes, I would

2715
02:23:01,879 --> 02:23:03,799
have been I would have been nervous. I would have

2716
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:04,559
been nervous.

2717
02:23:04,440 --> 02:23:05,840
Speaker 6: About what side he was going to come down on.

2718
02:23:06,159 --> 02:23:09,879
Speaker 3: Yes, because he didn't say he was al Kamaniac, But

2719
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:14,639
he also didn't say he was Sergeant Slaughter's uh, you

2720
02:23:14,719 --> 02:23:16,680
know private there and.

2721
02:23:16,719 --> 02:23:18,319
Speaker 6: If you watch it when he's a dressing hogan there

2722
02:23:18,360 --> 02:23:19,760
in that moment, he's right up in his face.

2723
02:23:20,120 --> 02:23:22,799
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but both I and Warrior, he's like, you know,

2724
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:24,719
getting right in their face.

2725
02:23:25,440 --> 02:23:27,879
Speaker 6: So that is the build to SummerSlam and how SID

2726
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:29,639
was framed. Of course, we know it went down August

2727
02:23:29,639 --> 02:23:32,159
twenty sixth, nineteen ninety one, and it's the night where

2728
02:23:32,239 --> 02:23:34,559
Vince Fire's Warrior the second he runs through the curtain

2729
02:23:35,079 --> 02:23:37,719
for trying to invince his terms hold him up for

2730
02:23:37,799 --> 02:23:40,079
more money at the last minute. It had been a

2731
02:23:40,399 --> 02:23:43,879
tumultuous nineteen ninety one for Warrior and the ww front office.

2732
02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:46,079
We know this because years later he would sue the

2733
02:23:46,120 --> 02:23:49,120
company and all kinds of memos back and forth between

2734
02:23:49,159 --> 02:23:52,719
the two became public record, and so that was kind

2735
02:23:52,719 --> 02:23:55,200
of why we chose remember of Summer Slam ninety one.

2736
02:23:55,360 --> 02:23:55,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2737
02:23:55,760 --> 02:23:57,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was a bunch of stuff that we could

2738
02:23:57,440 --> 02:23:59,600
say about, like what the payouts were on the show

2739
02:23:59,639 --> 02:24:01,399
and all the stuff that had come out from that lawsuit.

2740
02:24:02,000 --> 02:24:04,520
That it was kind of a struck us as something

2741
02:24:04,559 --> 02:24:06,239
we could, you know, say more about than just the

2742
02:24:06,280 --> 02:24:08,840
results of the show before we realized the level of

2743
02:24:08,920 --> 02:24:11,639
expectation and appetite out there for the deep dive research.

2744
02:24:12,440 --> 02:24:15,719
So that's the Warrior side of the story, and it's

2745
02:24:15,719 --> 02:24:18,479
an important side of the story because it's Warrior's departure

2746
02:24:18,959 --> 02:24:22,440
that leads to a to hear SID put it kind

2747
02:24:22,479 --> 02:24:26,239
of an acceleration of the plans to get SID on

2748
02:24:26,360 --> 02:24:28,840
the road because with Warrior gone, all of a sudden,

2749
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:30,840
there's a smoke and hole in the house. Show circuit

2750
02:24:30,879 --> 02:24:33,680
isn't there, Yeah, for sure. So for a guy who

2751
02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:36,040
was brought in under the auspices of working only TVs

2752
02:24:36,079 --> 02:24:37,719
and pay per views until he became the man. And

2753
02:24:38,319 --> 02:24:40,399
at WrestleMania, we get on the road, all of a sudden,

2754
02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:44,520
this blow up with Warrior happens and bulp, Pal, you know,

2755
02:24:44,760 --> 02:24:46,120
plans change, you know.

2756
02:24:46,159 --> 02:24:47,879
Speaker 3: What, you know, we're just kind of in a unique

2757
02:24:47,920 --> 02:24:51,440
situation and we need you know, we need things done

2758
02:24:51,559 --> 02:24:56,399
away that will allow us to to further are the

2759
02:24:56,520 --> 02:24:58,120
entertainment factor of our programming.

2760
02:24:58,879 --> 02:24:59,959
Speaker 6: Okay, whatever that means.

2761
02:25:00,760 --> 02:25:05,600
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Well, I mean, sid, I

2762
02:25:05,639 --> 02:25:10,520
don't mean to you know, you gotta you gotta go

2763
02:25:10,600 --> 02:25:14,239
on the road, Pal, just no other way to to

2764
02:25:14,319 --> 02:25:15,520
say it. You gotta go on the road.

2765
02:25:16,399 --> 02:25:19,920
Speaker 6: What Asia, that's Vinces, That's Vince's way.

2766
02:25:20,000 --> 02:25:20,159
Speaker 3: Man.

2767
02:25:20,239 --> 02:25:23,239
Speaker 6: He's like he gets you on the hook and all

2768
02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:26,719
of a sudden, unforeseen circumstances and he's going back on

2769
02:25:27,440 --> 02:25:30,319
your original conception of how this is going to work. Yeah,

2770
02:25:30,639 --> 02:25:32,399
and it's like he needs you know, he needs It's

2771
02:25:32,399 --> 02:25:35,000
not all he needs a favor. It's almost like like

2772
02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:37,280
you should know that that's how it works here, and

2773
02:25:37,479 --> 02:25:40,159
if you don't, you're being unprofessional. Right, because we're the

2774
02:25:40,559 --> 02:25:43,040
We're the premier organization for a reason, and that's one

2775
02:25:43,079 --> 02:25:45,520
thing Sid is. He talks about it a lot, and

2776
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:47,920
his shoot interview is blown away by how full these

2777
02:25:47,959 --> 02:25:49,840
buildings are relative to what he was used to in

2778
02:25:49,959 --> 02:25:51,799
Jim Hurd's w c W, which makes all the sense

2779
02:25:51,799 --> 02:25:53,959
in the world, let alone before he walks out at

2780
02:25:53,959 --> 02:25:56,639
the Hoosier Dome, a packed stadium scale show the likes

2781
02:25:56,639 --> 02:25:59,799
of which he'd never seen before, and so he's he's

2782
02:26:00,239 --> 02:26:02,719
taken with WWF as an organization in terms of how

2783
02:26:02,840 --> 02:26:05,760
professionalized they are. When he goes back to WCW after

2784
02:26:05,840 --> 02:26:07,639
this run, one of the things that he does, which

2785
02:26:07,639 --> 02:26:09,120
I think he starts to kind of piss people off,

2786
02:26:10,079 --> 02:26:12,239
and we'll hear it in the Squeegee story coming up

2787
02:26:12,239 --> 02:26:17,040
real soon. He's constantly singing the praises of how professionalized

2788
02:26:17,159 --> 02:26:19,200
WWF is. He's seeing a different side of how to

2789
02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:21,440
run a wrestling company than what he came up in

2790
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:24,280
in WCW, and there's a lot of things that he

2791
02:26:24,360 --> 02:26:29,159
thinks really need to be imported and instilled in WCWWWF

2792
02:26:29,319 --> 02:26:33,200
was doing. So it's not like he's entirely disillusioned by

2793
02:26:33,239 --> 02:26:36,040
the situation. But Sid is definitely starting to feel like

2794
02:26:36,200 --> 02:26:39,040
promisers are being gone back on after just about a

2795
02:26:39,159 --> 02:26:42,959
month on television in the company because now Warrior is

2796
02:26:43,040 --> 02:26:46,959
gone and we need to accelerate the Sid Justice as

2797
02:26:47,879 --> 02:26:52,719
number two babyface and when Hogan departs number one babyface position.

2798
02:26:53,079 --> 02:26:54,719
Take a look at this. This appeared in the pages

2799
02:26:54,760 --> 02:26:57,840
of a Pro Wrestling Illustrated Boss and we'll explain it

2800
02:26:57,879 --> 02:27:00,200
to the people for their benefit. But doesn't this say

2801
02:27:00,239 --> 02:27:00,479
it all?

2802
02:27:01,399 --> 02:27:01,520
Speaker 7: Uh?

2803
02:27:02,120 --> 02:27:05,799
Speaker 3: We get it here? Whoa Sid Justice? There?

2804
02:27:05,840 --> 02:27:08,440
Speaker 6: It is the second coming of Hult Cogan double truck

2805
02:27:08,479 --> 02:27:09,520
feature in p W I.

2806
02:27:09,760 --> 02:27:11,159
Speaker 3: What's going on here?

2807
02:27:11,440 --> 02:27:13,079
Speaker 6: And that is deeply concerning.

2808
02:27:13,239 --> 02:27:17,799
Speaker 3: I'm looking, I'm looking at fucking uh after dude, then

2809
02:27:17,799 --> 02:27:22,040
the second old Hogan. Wait in the second hold? What

2810
02:27:22,719 --> 02:27:22,959
I mean?

2811
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:23,840
Speaker 6: That is the headline?

2812
02:27:24,239 --> 02:27:25,079
Speaker 3: That is the headline.

2813
02:27:25,840 --> 02:27:28,879
Speaker 6: In classic p WI fashion, they're showing pictures from w

2814
02:27:29,079 --> 02:27:32,120
CW YEP because they always went out of their way

2815
02:27:32,159 --> 02:27:34,639
to remind you that, like they were following wrestlers before

2816
02:27:34,719 --> 02:27:37,639
Vince made them national stars and changed their nights right,

2817
02:27:37,920 --> 02:27:40,200
like they would call mister perfect card heading even after

2818
02:27:40,280 --> 02:27:43,959
he came to WWF every single time on every reference

2819
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:48,280
in the magazine, and so yeah, this is like happening

2820
02:27:48,280 --> 02:27:50,840
a lot sooner, I think than they had drawn up

2821
02:27:51,040 --> 02:27:53,319
in terms of when he's first sitting down with Sid.

2822
02:27:53,399 --> 02:27:55,680
Vince McMahon, I don't think he's planning on Warrior being

2823
02:27:55,760 --> 02:27:57,879
gone by the end of the summer and all the

2824
02:27:57,959 --> 02:28:01,319
ramifications that has for the card. So here's Sid in

2825
02:28:01,360 --> 02:28:05,200
a shoot interview talking with Sean Mooney actually about what

2826
02:28:05,319 --> 02:28:07,120
happens at the end of Summer Slam. What happens, boss

2827
02:28:07,319 --> 02:28:11,600
is after Hogan and Warrior vanquish Sergeant's Laughter and company.

2828
02:28:11,639 --> 02:28:14,799
We know, Warrior disappears chasing Adnon with a steel chair

2829
02:28:14,879 --> 02:28:17,520
through the curtain. We never see him again at least

2830
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:22,000
yes run and he's hardly ever mentioned. But in the

2831
02:28:22,079 --> 02:28:25,840
ring afterwards, after helping, you know, instill truth justice in

2832
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:28,159
the American way, what a Sid and Hulk do They

2833
02:28:28,360 --> 02:28:31,000
pose down in the middle of the ring together, and

2834
02:28:31,079 --> 02:28:33,680
that's supposed to be really substantial. That's supposed to apparently

2835
02:28:33,719 --> 02:28:35,559
get us to think of Sid as somebody that is

2836
02:28:35,639 --> 02:28:37,879
tantamount to Hulk Cogan. And here he is talking to

2837
02:28:37,959 --> 02:28:41,239
Sean Mooney about his conception of what happened that night

2838
02:28:41,360 --> 02:28:41,920
in MSG.

2839
02:28:42,639 --> 02:28:44,040
Speaker 8: He said this is what we're going to do with you.

2840
02:28:44,639 --> 02:28:46,600
We're going to just You're just going to do TVs

2841
02:28:46,680 --> 02:28:50,079
and pay per views for one year, no house shows,

2842
02:28:50,639 --> 02:28:53,200
and after WrestleMania you going to start your first house show.

2843
02:28:53,239 --> 02:28:56,000
He said, We've never done this with anyone. So I'm thinking, well,

2844
02:28:56,040 --> 02:28:57,440
how on the fuck am I going to get paid

2845
02:28:57,479 --> 02:29:00,719
for one year? If you don't give me money, He said, well,

2846
02:29:00,760 --> 02:29:03,959
we're going to take care of you. I said, oh shit,

2847
02:29:04,280 --> 02:29:07,159
you know, so that was, you know, a big chance

2848
02:29:07,239 --> 02:29:07,559
I took.

2849
02:29:08,120 --> 02:29:09,040
Speaker 11: But what happened.

2850
02:29:09,360 --> 02:29:13,000
Speaker 8: What happened was the Ultimate Warriors started demanding more money

2851
02:29:13,520 --> 02:29:16,040
and then they fired him at SummerSlam, and it was

2852
02:29:16,079 --> 02:29:19,200
set up right since he walked to the curtains they

2853
02:29:19,319 --> 02:29:22,959
fired him, and then this is their idea of this

2854
02:29:23,200 --> 02:29:26,760
was their version of Hogan passing the torch. He did

2855
02:29:26,799 --> 02:29:29,799
the pose down with me, which is the stupidest fucking

2856
02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:32,719
thing I've ever heard of my fucking life. That that

2857
02:29:32,959 --> 02:29:35,879
was the big goddamn deal. And if you think that's

2858
02:29:35,920 --> 02:29:38,120
a big deal, you're as stupid as the rest of them.

2859
02:29:38,600 --> 02:29:41,479
So anyway, that's how it happened. So I was pierced

2860
02:29:41,520 --> 02:29:43,840
from that moment on and I didn't want to be

2861
02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:44,520
there anymore.

2862
02:29:45,120 --> 02:30:02,959
Speaker 1: He's a last fan wrestling podcast. He's fan wrestling podcast

2863
02:30:03,440 --> 02:30:04,040
with Jack and.

2864
02:30:06,760 --> 02:30:09,280
Speaker 6: Wow, that's what they doing. Warrior comes out of Wrestling

2865
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:11,239
eighty too. He poses down with Hogan at the end

2866
02:30:11,239 --> 02:30:11,600
of the show.

2867
02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:14,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the thing that that shows you're you're

2868
02:30:14,479 --> 02:30:17,079
an ally of hul Cogan. That events really means something.

2869
02:30:17,159 --> 02:30:18,399
He thinks that people are going to see you as

2870
02:30:18,399 --> 02:30:21,079
a main inventor after you pose of course that's the rub.

2871
02:30:21,360 --> 02:30:24,200
But the way Sid does it, he's so awkward that

2872
02:30:24,319 --> 02:30:27,040
it almost is like a comedy idiot. Oh, it's almost

2873
02:30:27,040 --> 02:30:28,440
like a comedy routine. At the end of Summer Slam,

2874
02:30:28,440 --> 02:30:31,040
it's almost like Hogan has a whole back laughter while

2875
02:30:31,079 --> 02:30:35,040
Sid makes a mockery this pose down and his refererational thinking. Dude,

2876
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:38,120
here's your don't thinking, brother, what if dude? What if?

2877
02:30:38,520 --> 02:30:38,559
Speaker 7: So?

2878
02:30:38,840 --> 02:30:41,360
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna do this pose down? I'm not

2879
02:30:41,479 --> 02:30:47,360
a fit of that. I'm not obligated to pose down, brother, Dude. Listen,

2880
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:50,479
Sady's some dude. I dig that. Brother. I'm all about,

2881
02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:53,479
you know. If I don't do creative, dude, I'm all about,

2882
02:30:54,000 --> 02:30:57,559
you know, taking things that next level. Brother. I get it, dude,

2883
02:30:57,920 --> 02:31:01,159
and I want to take Sid Justice's that level. So

2884
02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:05,719
what I'm thinking, dude is, you know what if brother,

2885
02:31:06,360 --> 02:31:09,399
we kind of portrayed this kind of maybe a mentor

2886
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:14,440
mentee kind of thing. Dude, what do you mean, well,

2887
02:31:14,440 --> 02:31:16,520
I want to give you the rub. Brother, you know,

2888
02:31:16,520 --> 02:31:18,959
if you're gonna be the next hult Cogan, I want

2889
02:31:19,000 --> 02:31:27,319
to give you the rub. M What does that look like?

2890
02:31:28,239 --> 02:31:29,879
What does the rub look like to you?

2891
02:31:31,000 --> 02:31:31,120
Speaker 11: Well?

2892
02:31:31,159 --> 02:31:32,920
Speaker 3: Do what I'm thinking to what if we come down?

2893
02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:35,840
What if I have you come down dude? After the

2894
02:31:35,879 --> 02:31:38,120
match made in hell? Brother, and you when I do

2895
02:31:38,200 --> 02:31:40,600
a pose down kind of like showing hey, you know

2896
02:31:40,680 --> 02:31:42,399
what we got here we go, we got we got

2897
02:31:42,520 --> 02:31:45,159
hull Cogan, we got the new hul Cogan. You know, brother,

2898
02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:49,440
see the album? Thinking that dude. Mm hmm, I see

2899
02:31:49,440 --> 02:31:53,799
where you're going. I understand that that is not beyond

2900
02:31:53,840 --> 02:32:01,680
my intelligence. Dude, I'm I dig that, brother. So but

2901
02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:04,520
but but kind of like we want to kind of

2902
02:32:04,559 --> 02:32:07,440
talk long game, right, you know, we're not talking about hey,

2903
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:10,000
you know, you know just the payoffs, dude. Is not

2904
02:32:10,120 --> 02:32:12,360
like at the very beginning, we gotta have the payoff

2905
02:32:12,479 --> 02:32:15,239
be as we go down the line. So what I'm

2906
02:32:15,239 --> 02:32:19,239
thinking about, dude, is what if you know, like you know,

2907
02:32:19,799 --> 02:32:22,680
I'm in there alone, I'm posing down brother, and I'm like,

2908
02:32:22,719 --> 02:32:24,879
you know what, we need to have Sid just in

2909
02:32:25,040 --> 02:32:29,000
this ring right now, Dude. We need Sid here right now, brother.

2910
02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:32,479
And so I kind of call you in. I say, Sid,

2911
02:32:32,600 --> 02:32:35,879
come on, dude, let's go brother, come on down, And

2912
02:32:35,959 --> 02:32:39,120
I think what you should do because again I think, like,

2913
02:32:39,840 --> 02:32:42,159
you know, we're talking to having this kind of mentor

2914
02:32:42,280 --> 02:32:45,200
mentee relationship. Dude, you kind of just peek your head

2915
02:32:45,200 --> 02:32:46,719
out brother, and I'm like, wait a minute.

2916
02:32:46,520 --> 02:32:48,719
Speaker 6: What what do you Oh, that's right, he peeks his

2917
02:32:48,760 --> 02:32:50,799
head to the curtain. I forget about that, which makes

2918
02:32:50,840 --> 02:32:51,440
it all comedy.

2919
02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:53,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like kind of like peek out there, dude,

2920
02:32:53,879 --> 02:32:56,440
and like, say, did I hear my name? Cause I

2921
02:32:56,479 --> 02:32:59,639
think that people will kind of yeah, Sid, Sid, Dude,

2922
02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:01,280
come on out with Hull Coagan. You know you guys

2923
02:33:01,319 --> 02:33:04,559
are best friends now, brother, and so you come out, dude,

2924
02:33:04,920 --> 02:33:07,520
and then we start posing. But you know what, I think,

2925
02:33:07,799 --> 02:33:10,760
kind of differentiate dude and kind of show that that

2926
02:33:11,040 --> 02:33:14,120
that you need just a little bit more to kind

2927
02:33:14,159 --> 02:33:16,680
of get to that next level. Working with Hul Cogan

2928
02:33:16,799 --> 02:33:20,159
is that you don't pose perfect dude, right what if

2929
02:33:20,200 --> 02:33:21,479
you kind of look like, you know, like you're a

2930
02:33:21,520 --> 02:33:22,239
little off, a.

2931
02:33:22,239 --> 02:33:25,760
Speaker 6: Little awkward about it, dude, like you're getting your sea

2932
02:33:25,840 --> 02:33:29,120
legs from under you like your abyss and TNA taking

2933
02:33:29,200 --> 02:33:29,879
my ring?

2934
02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:34,440
Speaker 3: Are you calling me awkward? No, dude, Brother, do not.

2935
02:33:34,440 --> 02:33:36,959
I'm not calling you awkward. Dude. What I'm saying is, dude,

2936
02:33:37,159 --> 02:33:40,079
why don't you maybe you can act awkward? Because I

2937
02:33:40,120 --> 02:33:42,200
get it, Dude, You're like, you're a pro and you

2938
02:33:42,319 --> 02:33:45,959
gotta you got a physique, dude that goes fucking miles. Brother,

2939
02:33:46,920 --> 02:33:49,360
you know we're talking. You know, dude, you got the look, dude.

2940
02:33:49,879 --> 02:33:52,239
But what I'm saying is, why don't you act like

2941
02:33:52,440 --> 02:33:56,239
you know what you know? Or even better? Brother, play

2942
02:33:56,520 --> 02:33:58,479
with this dude. What if you're like, you know what

2943
02:34:00,000 --> 02:34:02,280
this Hule Cogan guy, I'm gonna say, Brother, you know

2944
02:34:02,479 --> 02:34:04,360
I'm with him in the ring. Dude, he's kind of

2945
02:34:04,399 --> 02:34:07,360
getting old right now, dude, you know where you know

2946
02:34:07,479 --> 02:34:09,479
he's like, you know, I don't want to take away

2947
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:12,719
his thunder. You know, like you're you're doing me a

2948
02:34:12,799 --> 02:34:17,399
favor brother by not out showing me. See do you

2949
02:34:17,440 --> 02:34:19,719
see I'm getting there, dude. So like I'm trying to

2950
02:34:19,840 --> 02:34:21,680
just pose down with the fans, and you're like, you

2951
02:34:21,719 --> 02:34:24,239
know what, I can outpose Hulk Hogan any day of

2952
02:34:24,239 --> 02:34:26,879
the week and twice on Sunday, but I'm not gonna

2953
02:34:26,920 --> 02:34:28,879
do that here because I want Hulk Hogan. You know,

2954
02:34:28,920 --> 02:34:31,040
I don't want to embarrass him, brother, and show him

2955
02:34:31,079 --> 02:34:32,959
what a you know, what a weak dute is, because

2956
02:34:32,959 --> 02:34:34,360
you don't even know how to fucking pose. You know

2957
02:34:34,399 --> 02:34:36,000
what I'm saying, brother, Brother, I want you to go

2958
02:34:36,040 --> 02:34:37,399
to the top, dude. But if you if if the

2959
02:34:37,440 --> 02:34:39,479
fans get the message that you're trying to show me up, brother,

2960
02:34:39,600 --> 02:34:41,879
they're never gonna support you, dude. And I just you

2961
02:34:41,959 --> 02:34:44,520
need to be a babyface. Brother. We gotta kind of

2962
02:34:44,600 --> 02:34:49,000
push that angle as far as we can. So you

2963
02:34:49,159 --> 02:34:51,760
want to help me. Just all want to do, dude,

2964
02:34:52,600 --> 02:34:54,120
all want to do is help you. And I think

2965
02:34:54,680 --> 02:34:56,639
that if you kind of come out there and and

2966
02:34:56,879 --> 02:34:58,520
just kind of like say, hey, you know what, this

2967
02:34:59,280 --> 02:35:01,879
this guy, you know, Grandpa Hogan out here, brother, you know,

2968
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:03,920
he's just you know, I don't want to make him

2969
02:35:03,959 --> 02:35:06,000
look bad. So I'm just gonna kind of do things

2970
02:35:06,079 --> 02:35:08,520
my way. A little bit. I think that's gonna go

2971
02:35:08,600 --> 02:35:11,319
a long way with the fans, dude, and showing that,

2972
02:35:11,479 --> 02:35:15,159
you know what, respect whole Camania, Dude, Sid respects Hull

2973
02:35:15,159 --> 02:35:19,639
Camania and maybe brother, maybe down the line, we're talking

2974
02:35:19,799 --> 02:35:25,680
sid Mania. Whoa you know dude, sid Mania? Yeah, dude,

2975
02:35:25,760 --> 02:35:31,440
sid Mania like on T shirts. Dude, brother, you know

2976
02:35:31,520 --> 02:35:32,000
what dude?

2977
02:35:32,719 --> 02:35:33,040
Speaker 11: You know what.

2978
02:35:35,120 --> 02:35:39,079
Speaker 3: The future, dude is is unwritten? Brother, who knows? Dude? Right?

2979
02:35:41,360 --> 02:35:44,319
Do you want me to go out there and look

2980
02:35:44,440 --> 02:35:48,639
like a fool so that I can have sid Mania

2981
02:35:48,760 --> 02:35:53,200
down the line. That's what I'm saying. Dude, you kind

2982
02:35:53,239 --> 02:35:55,639
of look like a little, you know, a little less

2983
02:35:55,719 --> 02:35:58,760
than here and then sid Many is in your future, Dude.

2984
02:36:03,319 --> 02:36:04,639
I feel obligated to do that.

2985
02:36:07,159 --> 02:36:11,319
Speaker 6: Brother, say less, dude. And so they go to the

2986
02:36:11,399 --> 02:36:14,719
ring and it shall be done, and comically, Sid pokes

2987
02:36:14,760 --> 02:36:17,520
his head through the curtain, takes center stage with the Hulkster,

2988
02:36:18,239 --> 02:36:21,319
poses like a moron, and somehow that makes him the

2989
02:36:21,360 --> 02:36:24,239
next top babyface. Of course, Sid sees it for what

2990
02:36:24,319 --> 02:36:26,079
it is, especially in retrospect, as you just heard in

2991
02:36:26,159 --> 02:36:29,239
that clip, but they're laying it on thick even after SummerSlam.

2992
02:36:30,760 --> 02:36:34,079
This clip is from an episode of Superstars, where Vince

2993
02:36:34,159 --> 02:36:38,639
McMahon himself spares no hyperbole and framing Sid as the

2994
02:36:38,680 --> 02:36:39,799
guy you're supposed to care about.

2995
02:36:39,879 --> 02:36:43,920
Speaker 28: Now listen to this, ah the I have never seen

2996
02:36:45,079 --> 02:36:47,440
Sid Justice wrestle before.

2997
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:49,479
Speaker 3: Do you know that I've never had the pleasure to

2998
02:36:49,520 --> 02:36:49,719
be in.

2999
02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:50,479
Speaker 2: The same arena?

3000
02:36:50,600 --> 02:36:58,360
Speaker 3: What Vince, it's got the music now?

3001
02:36:58,719 --> 02:37:06,920
Speaker 2: Yes, even did sucker?

3002
02:37:12,399 --> 02:37:13,520
Speaker 3: Where did you see it? Looking?

3003
02:37:13,719 --> 02:37:15,719
Speaker 2: Is that's something about a power bomb?

3004
02:37:15,799 --> 02:37:21,840
Speaker 4: We're gonna ask into the ring air set up for next.

3005
02:37:21,719 --> 02:37:33,440
Speaker 3: Job or Vince calls out the ovations.

3006
02:37:35,479 --> 02:37:40,239
Speaker 28: Talk about an overnight success, all about how overnight it is.

3007
02:37:41,959 --> 02:37:46,319
Speaker 2: This man's gonna be caring about her. Go if the

3008
02:37:46,440 --> 02:37:49,600
march O man he was unable to return to urging.

3009
02:37:49,399 --> 02:37:51,000
Speaker 21: As we have been notified he is.

3010
02:37:51,840 --> 02:37:52,639
Speaker 17: This is the man.

3011
02:37:53,239 --> 02:37:57,520
Speaker 2: Hopefully we will see that justice will be served as

3012
02:37:57,559 --> 02:37:58,520
it relates to Jack.

3013
02:37:58,600 --> 02:38:00,360
Speaker 3: Just think Roberts and the younger two can.

3014
02:38:00,559 --> 02:38:01,639
Speaker 9: Right about this?

3015
02:38:01,719 --> 02:38:01,959
Speaker 3: Check?

3016
02:38:02,719 --> 02:38:04,280
Speaker 19: Is this the power bulls?

3017
02:38:04,319 --> 02:38:05,120
Speaker 3: A power.

3018
02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:09,159
Speaker 7: Right?

3019
02:38:09,239 --> 02:38:10,040
Speaker 3: You didn't fall with it?

3020
02:38:10,680 --> 02:38:10,879
Speaker 11: Yes?

3021
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:13,600
Speaker 3: Really, you're gonna count it to ten?

3022
02:38:14,600 --> 02:38:16,280
Speaker 18: Everybody fell, all they lives.

3023
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:17,479
Speaker 3: I'm only going to get to.

3024
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:25,000
Speaker 6: A version like emphasizing the ovation. Yeah, trust that he's part.

3025
02:38:39,239 --> 02:38:42,600
Speaker 28: I got you play look at this here, hurry and

3026
02:38:42,760 --> 02:38:44,639
my dog and Wanda had clean up.

3027
02:38:44,639 --> 02:38:46,600
Speaker 3: Talking about two hundred I thoty.

3028
02:38:46,399 --> 02:38:48,399
Speaker 19: Five has the power pot.

3029
02:38:51,479 --> 02:38:52,000
Speaker 16: Turn us?

3030
02:38:52,879 --> 02:38:56,840
Speaker 3: So rust us what carri us I mean.

3031
02:38:58,280 --> 02:39:00,719
Speaker 6: Saying like that if Macha Van isn't here, he's the man.

3032
02:39:00,799 --> 02:39:02,040
He's clearing the banner here.

3033
02:39:02,840 --> 02:39:03,079
Speaker 3: Yep.

3034
02:39:03,479 --> 02:39:05,760
Speaker 6: Because the thing, presumably they moved up quite a bit too,

3035
02:39:06,040 --> 02:39:09,079
was Sid getting involved in the the wedding stuff afterwards,

3036
02:39:09,319 --> 02:39:11,319
realizing that you know, Warrior wasn't going to be there,

3037
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:13,879
they had to transition. Said, I mean maybe he would

3038
02:39:13,879 --> 02:39:16,399
have got involved in the wedding angle either way, even

3039
02:39:16,440 --> 02:39:19,920
if Warrior didn't disappear. Yeah, and the Jake program wouldn't

3040
02:39:19,959 --> 02:39:21,639
have happened. But the way they're talking about him now,

3041
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:24,520
it's like he's he's a filling for Savage and uh

3042
02:39:25,840 --> 02:39:27,639
and it's all upside from here for one Sid and

3043
02:39:27,760 --> 02:39:33,079
he's coming to the ultimate rescue. So Sid and Jake

3044
02:39:33,079 --> 02:39:34,760
start working each other, and the house shows. The house

3045
02:39:34,760 --> 02:39:37,440
shows that you know, Vince said Sid wouldn't work in

3046
02:39:37,479 --> 02:39:41,680
his first year in the company. Yes, And on an

3047
02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:45,479
episode of the DDP Snake Pit podcast that Jake Roberts

3048
02:39:45,520 --> 02:39:48,479
has done, he once talked about in an anonymized way

3049
02:39:48,600 --> 02:39:52,040
an opponent he faced that I think just just absolutely

3050
02:39:52,079 --> 02:39:55,239
has to be Sid. There's no ways talking about anybody else.

3051
02:39:55,280 --> 02:39:58,000
And this gives us a little glimpse into how Sid

3052
02:39:58,120 --> 02:40:00,680
ran into his first sort of a political frick in

3053
02:40:00,760 --> 02:40:02,879
the World Wrestling Federation visa VI the Snake Man. If

3054
02:40:02,920 --> 02:40:05,399
you can read this quote here from the podcast that

3055
02:40:05,479 --> 02:40:06,280
Jake did about.

3056
02:40:06,120 --> 02:40:11,719
Speaker 3: It, mmmm, this is unintentionally. I I had an incident

3057
02:40:11,760 --> 02:40:14,520
where a guy was giving me a clothesline every night

3058
02:40:14,559 --> 02:40:16,319
and it was freaking ripping my head off.

3059
02:40:16,399 --> 02:40:18,760
Speaker 6: He saw those clothes lines there against tibias, they do

3060
02:40:18,920 --> 02:40:20,280
fly loose, yep.

3061
02:40:20,760 --> 02:40:23,559
Speaker 3: And I was recovering from having next surgery. And in wrestling,

3062
02:40:23,879 --> 02:40:25,799
you can make it look like you tore the guy's

3063
02:40:25,840 --> 02:40:27,959
head off, or you can tear the guy's head off,

3064
02:40:28,520 --> 02:40:31,040
and of course making it look like it is much

3065
02:40:31,159 --> 02:40:34,360
better because then the guy can sell it properly. When

3066
02:40:34,399 --> 02:40:37,319
you tear somebody's head off, there's no selling it. Man,

3067
02:40:38,200 --> 02:40:40,680
You get what you got. And I went to the

3068
02:40:40,760 --> 02:40:42,760
guy and called him out. You know, hey, dude, you're

3069
02:40:42,840 --> 02:40:43,159
killing me.

3070
02:40:43,239 --> 02:40:43,799
Speaker 18: What the hell?

3071
02:40:44,799 --> 02:40:47,559
Speaker 3: And he looked at me and said, well, maybe it's

3072
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:49,600
time you get out of the ring. That's a sad

3073
02:40:49,639 --> 02:40:50,159
thing to say.

3074
02:40:50,520 --> 02:40:53,079
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's he always put his foot in his

3075
02:40:53,159 --> 02:40:56,360
mouth that way, or if anybody challenged him or critiqued

3076
02:40:56,440 --> 02:40:58,920
him or came at him, he'd always had this snippy

3077
02:40:59,000 --> 02:41:02,639
response that like created all kinds of problems for him.

3078
02:41:03,079 --> 02:41:06,000
Speaker 3: Maybe you're a fucking idiot, right, Like, I mean.

3079
02:41:05,920 --> 02:41:08,479
Speaker 6: Why did this the Arnt Anderson stabbing thing happens because

3080
02:41:08,479 --> 02:41:10,559
he shot off of the mouth about Flair being too old.

3081
02:41:10,840 --> 02:41:11,760
I mean, he shouldn't be in.

3082
02:41:11,760 --> 02:41:14,959
Speaker 3: There, you know. So the next time we wrestled, he

3083
02:41:15,120 --> 02:41:17,559
closed on me, and I did a little maneuver and

3084
02:41:17,840 --> 02:41:22,639
snapped his bicep in half with intent, and he went down.

3085
02:41:22,760 --> 02:41:25,719
He was grabbing his arm. The bicep rolled up on

3086
02:41:25,879 --> 02:41:27,479
his shoulder. Oh my god.

3087
02:41:27,680 --> 02:41:29,559
Speaker 6: So I don't believe Jake for a second that he

3088
02:41:29,600 --> 02:41:31,079
did it on purpose. I'm not sure how you tear

3089
02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:33,239
someone's bicep on purpose, but I know, and how.

3090
02:41:33,360 --> 02:41:36,120
Speaker 3: It seems like it was this little simple, That it's

3091
02:41:36,159 --> 02:41:39,440
this simple to tear a bicep. That's pretty horror full.

3092
02:41:39,440 --> 02:41:40,879
Speaker 6: I think the UFC guys would use it all the

3093
02:41:40,920 --> 02:41:42,360
time if there were such a thing as the bicep

3094
02:41:42,399 --> 02:41:43,000
to yeah.

3095
02:41:43,520 --> 02:41:47,159
Speaker 3: Exactly, like you could just fucking you know. But and

3096
02:41:47,280 --> 02:41:48,440
he went down and he was grabbing his arm. The

3097
02:41:48,440 --> 02:41:50,479
bicep rolled up on his shoulder. It looked pretty awesome.

3098
02:41:50,639 --> 02:41:52,920
And he's screaming to ring the bell. And I jumped

3099
02:41:52,959 --> 02:41:56,280
on top of him and grabbed the bicep and just

3100
02:41:56,319 --> 02:42:00,399
started squeezing. And I was pissed, and I told him

3101
02:42:00,440 --> 02:42:01,959
maybe it was time for him to get out of

3102
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:05,239
the damn Ringow not proud of it. It seems like

3103
02:42:05,239 --> 02:42:07,760
you're proud of it. Actually, like you're pretty damn proud

3104
02:42:07,760 --> 02:42:10,159
of it. I do need to apologize to him, face him.

3105
02:42:10,200 --> 02:42:12,079
I'm not going to call his name out. We all

3106
02:42:12,239 --> 02:42:14,120
know him. But he did what he did, and I

3107
02:42:14,200 --> 02:42:16,600
did what I did. And he had six months off?

3108
02:42:17,000 --> 02:42:22,079
Speaker 6: Wow, he sure did. In a shooting interview talking about.

3109
02:42:21,879 --> 02:42:25,399
Speaker 3: That's how is that possible? How's what possible? How did

3110
02:42:25,440 --> 02:42:26,239
he have six months?

3111
02:42:26,440 --> 02:42:28,760
Speaker 6: Jake is not going to take the time to calculate

3112
02:42:28,799 --> 02:42:32,879
exactly how many months it was, Like no one ever had.

3113
02:42:32,879 --> 02:42:35,959
Speaker 3: You know, if summersion happened in August, he doesn't matter.

3114
02:42:36,079 --> 02:42:40,239
He's back in the ring in in January, and I

3115
02:42:40,360 --> 02:42:42,760
I'd have to think that Jake cost himself some Survivor

3116
02:42:42,840 --> 02:42:44,200
series money. I mean, I know he still was on

3117
02:42:44,280 --> 02:42:46,959
the card, but you can tell just from that magazine

3118
02:42:47,079 --> 02:42:49,719
article that Sid versus Jake I think would have been

3119
02:42:50,319 --> 02:42:54,440
seen in a more premium spot on the on the show, well,

3120
02:42:54,479 --> 02:42:55,760
it was going to be the main event still, I

3121
02:42:55,799 --> 02:42:57,000
think it was going to be. It was going to

3122
02:42:57,040 --> 02:42:59,799
be Sid and his team versus Jake and his team

3123
02:43:00,639 --> 02:43:02,079
as the main event. I mean, that match was the

3124
02:43:02,120 --> 02:43:06,479
main event anyway, without Hogan and Taker. Hogan Taker was

3125
02:43:06,520 --> 02:43:07,600
not on the main event of the show. It was

3126
02:43:07,639 --> 02:43:10,440
middle It was middle of the show. God, God, it

3127
02:43:10,600 --> 02:43:14,200
was the main event of boss Man and boss Man,

3128
02:43:14,239 --> 02:43:16,360
a llegiing to Doom versus natural disasters and.

3129
02:43:16,440 --> 02:43:19,079
Speaker 6: Facking hell Jesus Christ.

3130
02:43:19,840 --> 02:43:21,280
Speaker 3: That was That was it. He was supposed to be.

3131
02:43:21,399 --> 02:43:23,360
That was supposed to sit the main event is fucking

3132
02:43:23,440 --> 02:43:25,360
first in ring pay per view.

3133
02:43:25,719 --> 02:43:29,159
Speaker 6: That's so wild, yep. Sid saying in a shoot interview

3134
02:43:29,479 --> 02:43:31,920
after that or no before that, actually, but about the

3135
02:43:31,959 --> 02:43:35,399
same circumstance. I've never stooged done anybody. I can't stooge anybody.

3136
02:43:35,440 --> 02:43:37,559
I can't kiss anybody's ass. I can be your friend,

3137
02:43:37,600 --> 02:43:39,440
but I can never kiss your ass. That's what I've

3138
02:43:39,479 --> 02:43:41,799
told everybody in the business. And Jake was the first

3139
02:43:41,920 --> 02:43:44,239
one that fucking got me in some trouble up there.

3140
02:43:44,840 --> 02:43:46,319
I don't know if you know what I said or done.

3141
02:43:46,399 --> 02:43:48,280
Vince called and got on to me, but you can't

3142
02:43:48,319 --> 02:43:50,520
utter a fucking word out there, and then it gets

3143
02:43:50,600 --> 02:43:54,120
magnified words like i'd imagine, boss, maybe you should get out.

3144
02:43:53,959 --> 02:43:57,719
Speaker 3: Of the ring. Yeah, to Jake Roberts, Yeah, probably not

3145
02:43:57,799 --> 02:43:59,959
a good idea, Pal, So that was weird.

3146
02:44:00,520 --> 02:44:02,520
Speaker 6: I didn't really like that part of it, Sid, Sid.

3147
02:44:03,920 --> 02:44:07,479
So now he's shelved to heal the bicip injury. He's

3148
02:44:07,479 --> 02:44:09,520
still on the road because you know, bicep terror isn't

3149
02:44:09,600 --> 02:44:12,879
like disqualifying as far as flying in things. But he's

3150
02:44:12,920 --> 02:44:15,719
not working in the ring. But he's still making towns.

3151
02:44:16,680 --> 02:44:20,600
And as luck would have it, or as perhaps the

3152
02:44:20,639 --> 02:44:23,840
opposite of luck would have it, in Greensboro, North Carolina,

3153
02:44:23,920 --> 02:44:27,120
the WWF and WCW crews crossed paths which would happen

3154
02:44:27,159 --> 02:44:29,959
sometimes on the road, and the boys would interact. It

3155
02:44:30,079 --> 02:44:33,120
wasn't like, you know, there was a fucking you know,

3156
02:44:33,319 --> 02:44:37,040
some kind of moratorium or some kind of rule where

3157
02:44:37,079 --> 02:44:39,079
you couldn't you know, meet with the WCW guys in

3158
02:44:39,159 --> 02:44:41,840
a bar somewhere. There's a famous picture from the Attitude

3159
02:44:41,840 --> 02:44:44,639
era where the warring companies were in across each other,

3160
02:44:44,719 --> 02:44:46,799
and you got like Hogan and Hollywood clothes and Steve

3161
02:44:46,840 --> 02:44:49,639
Austin in the same picture and Big show before he

3162
02:44:49,719 --> 02:44:52,440
came over to WWF in the picture, and you know

3163
02:44:52,879 --> 02:44:53,520
this happens.

3164
02:44:54,200 --> 02:44:56,559
Speaker 3: But Sid is. Sid's head is big.

3165
02:44:57,239 --> 02:44:59,840
Speaker 6: Sid is seeing big crowds, he's seeing high end production.

3166
02:45:00,159 --> 02:45:02,920
He's rubbing shoulders with Hulk Hogan, the biggest star in

3167
02:45:03,000 --> 02:45:06,559
the industry, and he's not going to be able to

3168
02:45:06,639 --> 02:45:09,319
keep his thoughts to himself about how Bush League the

3169
02:45:09,399 --> 02:45:12,000
company he left behind, which years later he would call

3170
02:45:12,040 --> 02:45:14,680
an unmitigated mistake, though certainly in nineteen ninety one he's

3171
02:45:14,719 --> 02:45:17,959
not feeling that way. And when he sees WCW wrestlers,

3172
02:45:18,000 --> 02:45:20,680
he's going to talk about it. And this boss is

3173
02:45:20,719 --> 02:45:24,840
where we get the squeegee incident. Oh boy, what do

3174
02:45:24,920 --> 02:45:26,440
you know about the squeegee incident?

3175
02:45:26,719 --> 02:45:28,239
Speaker 3: Not much? Not much.

3176
02:45:28,639 --> 02:45:34,079
Speaker 6: So we're gonna start with Liam wore it, no of it? Right, yeah, okay,

3177
02:45:34,120 --> 02:45:35,879
So what what's your general conception of it?

3178
02:45:36,760 --> 02:45:39,280
Speaker 3: Don't I just know that there was a squeegee incident, okay,

3179
02:45:39,719 --> 02:45:41,639
at one point, like I've learned about it before, but

3180
02:45:41,680 --> 02:45:44,200
I don't really remember what it was.

3181
02:45:44,440 --> 02:45:46,239
Speaker 6: You just know that at some point Sid is wielding

3182
02:45:46,280 --> 02:45:48,879
a squeegee. Yes, And that's the thing with Sid. It's

3183
02:45:48,920 --> 02:45:50,840
not so much what he does. It's that he ends

3184
02:45:50,920 --> 02:45:53,600
up doing goofy things like playing softball and trying to

3185
02:45:53,680 --> 02:45:55,920
tack him over with a squeegee, being an idiot, and

3186
02:45:56,159 --> 02:45:58,479
you know, and like being a farmer, and the size.

3187
02:45:58,680 --> 02:46:01,280
Like these things aren't goofy in an of themselves, but

3188
02:46:01,399 --> 02:46:03,719
when when you put them in Sid's hand or in

3189
02:46:03,799 --> 02:46:08,399
Sid's circumstance or environment, they become hilarious. I'm sorry, yes

3190
02:46:08,600 --> 02:46:08,799
they do.

3191
02:46:09,120 --> 02:46:11,239
Speaker 3: It becomes complete fodder.

3192
02:46:11,559 --> 02:46:13,639
Speaker 6: Like that story that Stan Hansen told that we talked

3193
02:46:13,639 --> 02:46:15,239
about in part one where he sends Sid to the

3194
02:46:15,319 --> 02:46:17,360
ring because Sid suddenly gets a paranoid that they're going

3195
02:46:17,399 --> 02:46:18,840
to get counted out of a best two or three

3196
02:46:18,879 --> 02:46:21,799
falls match and Sid lunges over the top rope like

3197
02:46:21,840 --> 02:46:25,120
a total klutz, or the story Shane Douglas tells in

3198
02:46:25,159 --> 02:46:28,000
Continental where Sid go as Lord Timungus goes timbered thinking

3199
02:46:28,040 --> 02:46:32,760
Sika's behind him, and he's not like that because it's Sid.

3200
02:46:32,840 --> 02:46:34,520
It's like, at least four times funny.

3201
02:46:34,639 --> 02:46:36,360
Speaker 3: It's so goofy, it's so goofy.

3202
02:46:36,559 --> 02:46:39,040
Speaker 6: Just add that physical awkwardness to it. I mean, look,

3203
02:46:39,079 --> 02:46:41,319
he made the Hogan post down look like a comedy routine, yep,

3204
02:46:41,399 --> 02:46:42,680
and I don't think he intended to do that.

3205
02:46:44,120 --> 02:46:45,440
Speaker 3: So he's just a goofball.

3206
02:46:45,719 --> 02:46:46,840
Speaker 6: So we're going to get to one, you know, a

3207
02:46:46,920 --> 02:46:49,479
story that just can't you can't hear about Sid and

3208
02:46:49,520 --> 02:46:52,120
never forget it. And as people try to, you know,

3209
02:46:52,479 --> 02:46:56,479
lean into the positive sentiments about this guy upon his passing,

3210
02:46:56,520 --> 02:46:58,600
which is natural and is a classy thing to do.

3211
02:46:59,319 --> 02:47:03,000
You just someone's gonna say squeege eventually, just like they're

3212
02:47:03,000 --> 02:47:06,040
gonna mention the stabbing, and just like they're gonna mention softball,

3213
02:47:06,120 --> 02:47:08,639
you're going to mention it. And we're definitely gonna mention

3214
02:47:08,760 --> 02:47:10,479
it right here, because this is when it happens with

3215
02:47:10,600 --> 02:47:15,200
the WWF, even though it happened against WCW personnel, namely

3216
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:19,559
Brian Pillman and Mike Graham. Mike Graham, of course, the

3217
02:47:19,639 --> 02:47:22,680
son of the legendary Florida promoter Eddie Graham, and wrestler

3218
02:47:23,239 --> 02:47:25,799
and someone who is working in the ww front office

3219
02:47:25,879 --> 02:47:27,840
then and for years and had a reputation of being

3220
02:47:27,879 --> 02:47:31,120
quite a hot head and despite being relatively undersized, not

3221
02:47:31,280 --> 02:47:35,120
backing down from the opportunity to engage in fisticuffs. Brian Pillman,

3222
02:47:35,159 --> 02:47:36,959
by the way, had very much the same reputation as

3223
02:47:37,520 --> 02:47:40,520
that smaller football player who just you know, overcame that

3224
02:47:40,760 --> 02:47:45,200
by being just a complete madman, vicious, tough guy. So

3225
02:47:45,280 --> 02:47:47,879
we turned to LIAMO. Rourke's book about a Brian Pillman

3226
02:47:47,920 --> 02:47:50,719
called Crazy Like a Fox. It's a wonderful compendium of

3227
02:47:50,760 --> 02:47:53,600
Brian's career, and of course, naturally he gets to this

3228
02:47:53,639 --> 02:47:57,479
point because Brian Pillman figures very prominently in the Squeegee story.

3229
02:47:57,479 --> 02:48:00,440
So we're gonna let him set the table rights. The

3230
02:48:00,520 --> 02:48:02,799
crew had done a show in Greensboro on October thirteenth

3231
02:48:02,840 --> 02:48:04,959
and were set to fly out to Alabama on the fifteenth.

3232
02:48:05,000 --> 02:48:06,680
Of The Atlanta given the guys a night at the

3233
02:48:06,719 --> 02:48:08,680
Ramata End close to the airport. With many of the

3234
02:48:08,680 --> 02:48:11,120
guys drinking at the bar, the recently departed Sid Viscius

3235
02:48:11,159 --> 02:48:14,440
dropped in to say hello, little boy. After a few beers, which,

3236
02:48:14,479 --> 02:48:17,000
by the way, Sid always talked about not drinking much,

3237
02:48:17,159 --> 02:48:20,040
and that's supported by people talk that seemed to talk

3238
02:48:20,079 --> 02:48:21,680
about him and observed him on the road. He was

3239
02:48:21,879 --> 02:48:22,879
very he was health conscious.

3240
02:48:22,959 --> 02:48:23,520
Speaker 3: He was a freak.

3241
02:48:24,040 --> 02:48:25,879
Speaker 6: Like we've talked about. He'd be up at four thirty

3242
02:48:25,920 --> 02:48:27,360
in the morning, even when on the road. He'd be

3243
02:48:27,479 --> 02:48:29,680
on the few guys that would insist on getting two

3244
02:48:29,760 --> 02:48:32,319
workouts in a day while traveling as a wrestler. He

3245
02:48:32,360 --> 02:48:35,680
would only intend to eat just like protein and just

3246
02:48:35,799 --> 02:48:40,360
unmitigated healthy portions and type, not portions, but types of food.

3247
02:48:40,719 --> 02:48:41,639
Speaker 3: He wasn't He.

3248
02:48:41,639 --> 02:48:44,559
Speaker 6: Didn't engage in anything so smoking weed and when he

3249
02:48:44,639 --> 02:48:46,159
drank it was rare, but it seems like when he

3250
02:48:46,280 --> 02:48:49,600
drank you ended up with stories like this, okay, and

3251
02:48:50,280 --> 02:48:51,639
even he would be one of the first ones to

3252
02:48:51,680 --> 02:48:54,559
admit that. So after a few beers or work right,

3253
02:48:54,600 --> 02:48:56,799
Sid couldn't help himself. He was more than happy to

3254
02:48:56,840 --> 02:48:58,520
talk down to the wrestlers in the company he'd left

3255
02:48:58,559 --> 02:49:00,959
behind for the WWF about how much greener the grass

3256
02:49:01,079 --> 02:49:03,879
was on the other side. You can just picture him, can't. Yeah,

3257
02:49:03,879 --> 02:49:06,280
who guys, look, I mean, you guys think you're a

3258
02:49:06,280 --> 02:49:08,040
big deal. I'm sorry, I mean, you got it. The

3259
02:49:08,079 --> 02:49:10,479
way they're doing things up there. You guys are basically

3260
02:49:10,680 --> 02:49:12,840
like in the minor leagues. And I hate to say it.

3261
02:49:12,959 --> 02:49:14,719
You know, he'll say these little things to make you

3262
02:49:14,799 --> 02:49:17,360
feel like he's not insulting you while insulting you For

3263
02:49:17,440 --> 02:49:19,200
ten minutes, all he's doing is insulting.

3264
02:49:19,239 --> 02:49:20,000
Speaker 3: That's Sid. Yeah.

3265
02:49:21,079 --> 02:49:23,360
Speaker 6: While the WWF was having its own problems at the time,

3266
02:49:23,440 --> 02:49:26,040
o'rourick writes, nobody could really argue that nineteen ninety one

3267
02:49:26,040 --> 02:49:28,360
had been a disaster thus far for Turner's ensemble. One

3268
02:49:28,399 --> 02:49:30,680
person who took exception was Mike Graham, who suggested that

3269
02:49:30,719 --> 02:49:33,120
Sid should shut his mouth instead of heating the request.

3270
02:49:33,319 --> 02:49:35,680
Sid kept up his obnoxious tirade and responded that he'd

3271
02:49:35,719 --> 02:49:37,479
drawn more money in the last week than Graham did

3272
02:49:37,559 --> 02:49:39,959
his entire career, which is true, by the way. Well,

3273
02:49:41,399 --> 02:49:43,680
with Graham being close to Brian and with things getting heated,

3274
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:46,840
Pillman found himself involved. Brian's here perked when Sid began

3275
02:49:46,920 --> 02:49:49,879
his rantings, and he couldn't resist joining in once Vicious

3276
02:49:49,920 --> 02:49:52,440
mentioned drawing money. Given his less than stellar track record,

3277
02:49:52,600 --> 02:49:54,719
Sid was all too eager to extend his attention to Brian,

3278
02:49:54,840 --> 02:49:56,799
saying that the reason the WWF is where it is

3279
02:49:56,959 --> 02:49:59,159
and WCW is where it is is because they have

3280
02:49:59,239 --> 02:50:01,479
the correct, more belie avable approach of keeping the big

3281
02:50:01,520 --> 02:50:05,559
guys away from doing programs with the little guys. As

3282
02:50:05,639 --> 02:50:09,440
Sid always would let those thoughts fly about smaller wrestlers,

3283
02:50:09,920 --> 02:50:13,079
the flashbacks to their previous issues and Ixnate program. He'll

3284
02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:16,159
not forget. Sid, as we found out later, purposely dropped

3285
02:50:16,159 --> 02:50:19,120
Pilman on his head in the War Games. That's right,

3286
02:50:19,559 --> 02:50:21,600
so that's behind them at this point, not by much,

3287
02:50:21,639 --> 02:50:25,440
by several months only, and combined with the fact that

3288
02:50:25,479 --> 02:50:27,120
he had to listen to the same mentality for as

3289
02:50:27,159 --> 02:50:29,440
long as he could remember, he'd heard about enough Pillman,

3290
02:50:29,520 --> 02:50:31,760
that is, Sid then delivered a line that Pilman would

3291
02:50:31,760 --> 02:50:33,600
never make it in wrestling because not only was he

3292
02:50:33,680 --> 02:50:35,479
a pretty boy, but he didn't know how to work,

3293
02:50:35,600 --> 02:50:38,280
which was tantamount to Adolf Hitler preaching a quality to

3294
02:50:38,319 --> 02:50:41,959
Martin Luther King Junior. Pilman aggressively rose out of his

3295
02:50:42,040 --> 02:50:44,440
seat with fire in his eyes, ready to fight. Pilman

3296
02:50:44,479 --> 02:50:47,079
had no intention of backing down or letting the comment slide.

3297
02:50:47,479 --> 02:50:49,120
Just as it seemed the tour to come to blows,

3298
02:50:49,159 --> 02:50:51,760
it was Sid who declined, pulling up his shirt, travilla

3299
02:50:51,799 --> 02:50:54,120
band aid on his forearm, covering a scar from a

3300
02:50:54,159 --> 02:50:56,879
recent surgery for a torn bicep. Sid cited it as

3301
02:50:56,879 --> 02:50:59,280
his reason for not fighting. As Sid left the bar,

3302
02:50:59,520 --> 02:51:02,959
the guy's cool down somewhat. The tense situation seemingly diffused.

3303
02:51:03,399 --> 02:51:05,239
People had just about got their hands back in their

3304
02:51:05,280 --> 02:51:12,719
beers when Sid re entered, menacingly holding a squeegee. You

3305
02:51:12,760 --> 02:51:15,840
know what I think about, boss, Yeah, don't tell mom.

3306
02:51:15,879 --> 02:51:19,120
The babysitters dead, Suellen Crandall's getting the job at the

3307
02:51:19,159 --> 02:51:22,559
hot dog stand. And that creepy boss goes, oh, really

3308
02:51:22,719 --> 02:51:26,239
fun squeegee, Oh my god, And that's what he's got

3309
02:51:26,319 --> 02:51:29,000
his hand. Yeah, or's their work put to the plastic

3310
02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:32,479
windshield cleaning device in his hand as if it were

3311
02:51:32,520 --> 02:51:35,239
a deadly weapon, challenging both Pilman and Graham to bring

3312
02:51:35,319 --> 02:51:38,399
it on without much effort. Graham took the squeege away

3313
02:51:38,399 --> 02:51:40,680
from Sid as the other wrestlers held Pilman back. Vicious

3314
02:51:40,719 --> 02:51:43,000
then left the bar for good. Pilman and Graham, despite

3315
02:51:43,040 --> 02:51:46,360
staying away from Sid's weapon of mass destruction, managed to

3316
02:51:46,399 --> 02:51:49,319
come out of the entire incident's squeaky clean. Indeed, Pilman

3317
02:51:49,399 --> 02:51:51,840
left the encounter as a locker room hero for backing

3318
02:51:51,920 --> 02:51:55,159
down Sid, and the comedy value would be parodied for years.

3319
02:51:56,920 --> 02:52:00,479
Sid and the Squeegee Jesus, here's my Graham. I'm a

3320
02:52:00,479 --> 02:52:02,959
shoot interview with our video, telling the story in much

3321
02:52:03,000 --> 02:52:05,879
more colorful terms and perhaps taking some poetic license as well.

3322
02:52:05,920 --> 02:52:09,399
He's definitely one that would exaggerate or in cert certain

3323
02:52:09,440 --> 02:52:11,920
things to disrupt narratives, you know. He he's the kind

3324
02:52:11,959 --> 02:52:14,319
of guy that would say he had the wcw MGM

3325
02:52:14,399 --> 02:52:16,760
Disney deal on the on the rails before Eric Bischoff

3326
02:52:17,079 --> 02:52:19,280
stole the idea. He's from the Yeah, he's from the

3327
02:52:19,319 --> 02:52:22,440
Greg Ganya school, Okay, of anything that's ever worked in wrestling.

3328
02:52:22,479 --> 02:52:24,719
I had the idea first, So keep that in mind.

3329
02:52:24,760 --> 02:52:26,799
But he does tell the story in a very compelling way.

3330
02:52:27,120 --> 02:52:29,319
And as much as Pilman is involved in the Squeegye story,

3331
02:52:29,360 --> 02:52:31,440
because it you know, came to the word exchange that

3332
02:52:31,479 --> 02:52:33,680
we just heard, it really is a fight between Sid

3333
02:52:33,719 --> 02:52:36,120
and Mike Graham in a lot of ways, and let's

3334
02:52:36,159 --> 02:52:37,719
let's let's just turn it over to Mike Graham because

3335
02:52:37,760 --> 02:52:39,600
it's it's just fucking amazing.

3336
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:45,440
Speaker 19: Came back from my own Montgomery, Alabama or something. We

3337
02:52:45,639 --> 02:52:50,719
just finished TV. Terry Allen and God bless Brian.

3338
02:52:52,000 --> 02:52:55,280
Speaker 29: Pillman was there and I was there, and they had

3339
02:52:55,319 --> 02:52:57,360
had a couple of drinks and it was kind of

3340
02:52:57,440 --> 02:52:59,680
nodding off a little bit, and Sid had just left

3341
02:53:00,680 --> 02:53:03,559
w and gone to WWF. So he's sitting over at

3342
02:53:03,559 --> 02:53:06,559
the bar. And went and seen him for I been

3343
02:53:06,600 --> 02:53:08,920
gone for a couple of months, and I just say,

3344
02:53:08,920 --> 02:53:11,079
he said, how are you? And he went back, sat down,

3345
02:53:12,159 --> 02:53:16,319
and Sid gets up, walks over, sits down and commenced

3346
02:53:16,399 --> 02:53:20,120
to telling us what a chicken shit company WCW is

3347
02:53:20,200 --> 02:53:23,440
and everybody that works there stupid, and ww.

3348
02:53:23,559 --> 02:53:25,920
Speaker 19: The place to be and just then and then, well,

3349
02:53:25,959 --> 02:53:28,520
we all still worked for WCW. We had pride in

3350
02:53:28,559 --> 02:53:29,239
what we were doing.

3351
02:53:29,760 --> 02:53:32,319
Speaker 29: I didn't want somebody telling me that we were doll masses,

3352
02:53:32,399 --> 02:53:34,719
or that the company sacked or anything else. So I

3353
02:53:34,840 --> 02:53:36,959
just said, Sid, why don't you go back over and

3354
02:53:37,040 --> 02:53:38,959
tell the girl that story at the bar.

3355
02:53:39,600 --> 02:53:44,600
Speaker 19: She'll believe it. I'm not going to he said, you might. Gran.

3356
02:53:44,719 --> 02:53:47,239
You're a loser. I've made more money in the last

3357
02:53:47,319 --> 02:53:50,159
two months than you'll make here all year. You spent

3358
02:53:50,319 --> 02:53:55,559
your life I've done this, I've done that. I leafed

3359
02:53:55,559 --> 02:53:57,799
across the table at him, stood up.

3360
02:53:57,920 --> 02:54:02,719
Speaker 29: I said, sid, you said, might be true, But I said,

3361
02:54:02,760 --> 02:54:04,920
this loser that hasn't made as much money as he

3362
02:54:05,040 --> 02:54:08,760
was just about to kick your ass. And he gets

3363
02:54:08,840 --> 02:54:10,600
up out of the chair and he stitches his interview

3364
02:54:10,719 --> 02:54:12,479
chin out. He could do a hell of an interview.

3365
02:54:13,559 --> 02:54:14,280
Speaker 19: I wasn't buying it.

3366
02:54:14,760 --> 02:54:17,120
Speaker 29: He wasn't cutting an interview on a wrestling fan. I

3367
02:54:17,280 --> 02:54:20,920
wasn't wrestling fan. And I said, I went around the table.

3368
02:54:20,959 --> 02:54:24,040
He dropped his arm and he said, well, if you

3369
02:54:24,079 --> 02:54:26,319
want to beat up a guy with one arm, go ahead.

3370
02:54:27,440 --> 02:54:28,120
Speaker 19: He said one arm.

3371
02:54:28,360 --> 02:54:30,840
Speaker 29: He said, shit, looks like you got two arms to me,

3372
02:54:30,920 --> 02:54:33,399
and they're three times the size of mine. You have it,

3373
02:54:33,600 --> 02:54:35,360
and he pulls his shirt sleeve up. He had a

3374
02:54:35,399 --> 02:54:37,879
little band aid, a little band aid on. I ripped

3375
02:54:37,920 --> 02:54:39,000
my bicep today.

3376
02:54:40,280 --> 02:54:44,159
Speaker 19: Oh, I said, get out of here, just go home. No,

3377
02:54:44,520 --> 02:54:47,399
don't come in here and insult this and then act

3378
02:54:47,479 --> 02:54:48,319
like Fred.

3379
02:54:48,360 --> 02:54:48,760
Speaker 3: Just go home.

3380
02:54:48,840 --> 02:54:50,239
Speaker 19: I helped him put his wind breaker on.

3381
02:54:50,319 --> 02:54:50,799
Speaker 11: It was going to go.

3382
02:54:50,879 --> 02:54:53,319
Speaker 19: I helped him put his wind breaker on. Everything. See

3383
02:54:53,399 --> 02:54:55,280
walks out the door. So I'm standing on my back

3384
02:54:55,319 --> 02:54:55,719
to the door.

3385
02:54:56,600 --> 02:54:58,600
Speaker 29: I'm trying to get Brian up and Terry to get

3386
02:54:58,639 --> 02:55:00,000
him to the room and all that kind of stuff

3387
02:55:01,000 --> 02:55:01,600
from behind me.

3388
02:55:01,760 --> 02:55:03,840
Speaker 19: Here, all right, Graham, I'm ready for you.

3389
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:04,120
Speaker 9: Now.

3390
02:55:04,639 --> 02:55:07,000
Speaker 19: It's gonna be an even fight. Now, I'm ready for you.

3391
02:55:07,840 --> 02:55:10,760
Speaker 29: I thought he was kidding. I turned around to look.

3392
02:55:10,760 --> 02:55:13,239
He's got a squeegee like you clean your wonder with

3393
02:55:13,360 --> 02:55:16,000
a squegee in his hand. I looked at him and went,

3394
02:55:17,120 --> 02:55:21,040
are you serious? He goes, yeah, he's in the breakdown,

3395
02:55:21,120 --> 02:55:23,520
like he's in a position where he's gonna move or

3396
02:55:23,559 --> 02:55:24,280
fight or something.

3397
02:55:25,239 --> 02:55:26,440
Speaker 19: I walked over to him.

3398
02:55:26,479 --> 02:55:28,719
Speaker 29: I snatched a squeege out of his hand and I

3399
02:55:28,840 --> 02:55:31,040
thumped him on the chest with it. I said, sid,

3400
02:55:31,799 --> 02:55:34,559
get out of here before I stick this up your ass.

3401
02:55:36,239 --> 02:55:38,280
And I handed it back to him and he took

3402
02:55:38,360 --> 02:55:39,120
it and put.

3403
02:55:39,040 --> 02:55:40,799
Speaker 19: His arms down. He walked around.

3404
02:55:40,879 --> 02:55:43,719
Speaker 29: I thought, Jesus, here's six eight three hundred pounds. If

3405
02:55:43,760 --> 02:55:45,479
he comes in with a tire, iron or something in

3406
02:55:45,559 --> 02:55:48,239
my back's turned, he could do some damage. I better

3407
02:55:48,280 --> 02:55:50,959
pay attention this next time. So I walked out into

3408
02:55:51,000 --> 02:55:53,600
the lobby to see what he was going to if

3409
02:55:53,600 --> 02:55:54,959
he was going to come back with something or what

3410
02:55:55,040 --> 02:55:57,159
he was doing, and he had moved his car up

3411
02:55:57,200 --> 02:55:58,680
to the front of the hotel, so he got I

3412
02:55:58,719 --> 02:56:00,120
guess and beat me up with a squege you.

3413
02:56:00,239 --> 02:56:02,399
Speaker 19: Make the big escape. When he saw me standing in

3414
02:56:02,440 --> 02:56:04,959
the lobby, starts going, I'm on the cake your ass

3415
02:56:05,079 --> 02:56:06,280
me and you ain't no good.

3416
02:56:06,360 --> 02:56:10,600
Speaker 29: I mean, like a uh temper tantrum that a junior

3417
02:56:10,680 --> 02:56:12,280
high school cheerleader would throw or something.

3418
02:56:12,319 --> 02:56:13,840
Speaker 19: So he gets on his scar and he drives off.

3419
02:56:16,639 --> 02:56:16,760
Speaker 8: Uh.

3420
02:56:16,879 --> 02:56:21,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's a shit stirr and a pain in

3421
02:56:21,040 --> 02:56:21,360
the ass.

3422
02:56:21,479 --> 02:56:23,760
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, can we not to me? You know,

3423
02:56:23,879 --> 02:56:27,680
can we not pretend to not know that it makes

3424
02:56:27,760 --> 02:56:28,479
total sense to me?

3425
02:56:28,600 --> 02:56:30,559
Speaker 6: What stands out to you about that story there from

3426
02:56:30,600 --> 02:56:33,760
Mike Grant, if anything, What stands out to you about

3427
02:56:33,760 --> 02:56:35,239
that narrative there from Mike Graham?

3428
02:56:35,399 --> 02:56:43,399
Speaker 3: Uh, honestly, it's the it's the torn bicep. And then

3429
02:56:43,399 --> 02:56:45,719
all of a sudden, you know, he's like he needs

3430
02:56:45,760 --> 02:56:52,120
to prove himself. You know, He's like, he's like, I

3431
02:56:52,239 --> 02:56:55,280
can't find I got a torn bop. All right, you're

3432
02:56:55,280 --> 02:56:56,719
a bit wait a.

3433
02:56:56,799 --> 02:57:01,799
Speaker 7: Minute, spam, you get back here right now.

3434
02:57:03,600 --> 02:57:07,520
Speaker 6: So he says, Graham, I mean it kind of I

3435
02:57:07,600 --> 02:57:08,879
never thought of it this way until I heard it.

3436
02:57:08,959 --> 02:57:11,040
But it's like the reason he grabs a squeegee is

3437
02:57:11,079 --> 02:57:13,559
because he's got a bad arm, and to him, one

3438
02:57:13,600 --> 02:57:15,879
good arm with a squegee, and it is more, you know,

3439
02:57:16,000 --> 02:57:19,719
tantamount to two working arms. I suppose. Well, when he

3440
02:57:19,799 --> 02:57:21,600
tells the story said that is it's a little more

3441
02:57:21,600 --> 02:57:24,040
anodyne than that, a little more kind of like, you know,

3442
02:57:24,920 --> 02:57:26,719
weak than that. I mean to hear Sid tell it

3443
02:57:26,840 --> 02:57:28,719
is we're about to hear from the shoot interview he

3444
02:57:28,760 --> 02:57:31,520
did with Hannibal, everyone at the bars trying to talk

3445
02:57:31,559 --> 02:57:34,120
him into coming back to WCW. And that's when he

3446
02:57:34,200 --> 02:57:37,479
started talking about how superior the WWF experience was. And

3447
02:57:37,559 --> 02:57:40,040
here's Sid giving us a little flavor of what happened from.

3448
02:57:39,959 --> 02:57:43,399
Speaker 11: There in WCW.

3449
02:57:43,600 --> 02:57:46,000
Speaker 24: Ryan, But there's a lot of stories out there about

3450
02:57:46,079 --> 02:57:49,159
the squeegee thing with you, and Brian told me was

3451
02:57:49,200 --> 02:57:51,479
that during your first or second run.

3452
02:57:51,799 --> 02:57:53,600
Speaker 11: As Actually, well, I was on the WWF.

3453
02:57:54,200 --> 02:57:56,120
Speaker 24: What it was, I tore my boss up that night

3454
02:57:56,120 --> 02:57:58,680
in Orlando, Florida, and I had left my car that

3455
02:57:58,799 --> 02:58:01,319
the hoe Jones and everybody's say that I'm sitting there

3456
02:58:01,399 --> 02:58:04,479
talking to him, and actually that night magdalum Ta, and

3457
02:58:04,559 --> 02:58:06,840
they were trying to taught me into coming back to

3458
02:58:07,079 --> 02:58:09,319
w c W, and I was just telling him how

3459
02:58:09,399 --> 02:58:13,280
great things were. Brian Pillmer started running his mouth and

3460
02:58:13,360 --> 02:58:15,200
I said, hey, fucking and I had a torn bicep.

3461
02:58:15,319 --> 02:58:17,159
Speaker 11: You know, no, I couldn't. I couldn't have fought if

3462
02:58:17,200 --> 02:58:19,440
I wanted to. And so I just remember getting out.

3463
02:58:19,520 --> 02:58:21,920
Speaker 24: My car was dead, the guy was giving me a boost,

3464
02:58:22,399 --> 02:58:24,399
and Pilm was out there, and it just so happened

3465
02:58:24,440 --> 02:58:27,200
he was in the four boarders of the pass receipt

3466
02:58:27,440 --> 02:58:29,079
and I grabbed and said, hey, motherfucker, you give me

3467
02:58:29,079 --> 02:58:30,200
a whacky in the fucking head of this.

3468
02:58:30,680 --> 02:58:32,799
Speaker 11: Of course he didn't, you know what I mean. So

3469
02:58:33,920 --> 02:58:35,920
so it's a kind of an exaggerated yes.

3470
02:58:35,959 --> 02:58:36,319
Speaker 3: Of course.

3471
02:58:36,559 --> 02:58:38,520
Speaker 24: The thing is this, if if Broon Pilman never had

3472
02:58:38,520 --> 02:58:40,239
any things, you know, if he really wanted to be

3473
02:58:40,280 --> 02:58:41,799
a tough guy when I beat him up that time

3474
02:58:41,840 --> 02:58:44,959
of war games, legitimately, the sitting him through that cage,

3475
02:58:45,280 --> 02:58:46,319
he had all the reason he.

3476
02:58:46,319 --> 02:58:47,959
Speaker 11: Could have fought right there, and he didn't want to fight.

3477
02:58:48,920 --> 02:58:51,280
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.

3478
02:59:04,639 --> 02:59:08,559
Speaker 1: He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnaco

3479
02:59:08,959 --> 02:59:10,000
and JP sorrow.

3480
02:59:11,479 --> 02:59:13,959
Speaker 6: So to Sid's way of telling it, he's in the

3481
02:59:14,040 --> 02:59:16,600
parking lot with the squegee and Pillman's getting in his face.

3482
02:59:17,680 --> 02:59:20,920
Of course, Graham tells the story of Sid re entering

3483
02:59:20,959 --> 02:59:24,200
the hotel wielding the squegee ready to go to war. Now,

3484
02:59:24,520 --> 02:59:27,079
those are two things that just don't mix, like someone's

3485
02:59:27,159 --> 02:59:27,920
right and someone's wrong.

3486
02:59:28,000 --> 02:59:33,200
Speaker 3: Here do we have the truth?

3487
02:59:33,399 --> 02:59:35,040
Speaker 6: They don't have the truth? Now, those are the two

3488
02:59:35,079 --> 02:59:37,200
stories we have, And of course we don't have Pilman

3489
02:59:37,239 --> 02:59:39,200
story because before there really was such a thing as

3490
02:59:39,239 --> 02:59:43,719
a shoot interview industry, he passed away. But you know,

3491
02:59:44,520 --> 02:59:46,280
it makes more sense to me that Sid would grab

3492
02:59:46,360 --> 02:59:49,239
the squeegee if he was being run up on in

3493
02:59:49,280 --> 02:59:51,799
the car. Yeah, and he just grabbed the nearest thing

3494
02:59:51,840 --> 02:59:54,079
he had then going to the going to the parking

3495
02:59:54,120 --> 02:59:56,639
lot and coming back with a squeegee, And maybe he

3496
02:59:56,680 --> 02:59:57,040
did both.

3497
02:59:57,120 --> 02:59:58,319
Speaker 3: Maybe he uh, he.

3498
02:59:58,399 --> 03:00:00,879
Speaker 6: Grabbed the squeegee in confronting Pim in the parking lot

3499
03:00:00,959 --> 03:00:02,520
and then ended up just saying, fuck, I'm gonna go

3500
03:00:02,600 --> 03:00:05,239
back in there with this thing. But you know, Sid

3501
03:00:05,319 --> 03:00:08,559
holding a squeegee, It's just you're not gonna hurt anybody

3502
03:00:08,600 --> 03:00:08,760
with that.

3503
03:00:09,319 --> 03:00:12,399
Speaker 3: I know, it's a fucking it's like the it's like

3504
03:00:12,520 --> 03:00:15,120
the worst weapon you could possibly grab, especially when you're

3505
03:00:15,520 --> 03:00:21,959
tall and like you're supposed to be menacing. And he does.

3506
03:00:22,600 --> 03:00:27,159
He does come across as someone who really, more often

3507
03:00:27,239 --> 03:00:30,360
than not, is gonna make himself look like an idiot exactly,

3508
03:00:30,680 --> 03:00:33,680
thank you. You know, when push comes to shove, he

3509
03:00:34,120 --> 03:00:38,399
really can't get across the toughness factor. He just looks

3510
03:00:38,520 --> 03:00:39,479
like a fool when.

3511
03:00:39,399 --> 03:00:41,079
Speaker 6: It comes right when it comes right down to it,

3512
03:00:41,239 --> 03:00:42,879
he's gonna make you kind of laugh in his face,

3513
03:00:42,920 --> 03:00:46,360
even if you don't intend to. And so we go

3514
03:00:46,600 --> 03:00:48,559
and and you know what, you know, it's another chapter

3515
03:00:48,680 --> 03:00:51,959
in that book is his face when they announced that

3516
03:00:52,040 --> 03:00:55,319
he will not get the WrestleMania eight WWF title shot. Yes,

3517
03:00:56,159 --> 03:00:58,159
describe it for the people, the face he makes when

3518
03:00:58,200 --> 03:01:01,600
they declare Hogan the Challenger or Savage the Challenge or

3519
03:01:01,600 --> 03:01:02,079
whatever it was.

3520
03:01:02,200 --> 03:01:06,000
Speaker 3: It's just like, you know, he well, first of all,

3521
03:01:06,079 --> 03:01:08,719
don't don't forget he stands up first, thinking he's the

3522
03:01:08,799 --> 03:01:14,840
number one contender. It's spectacular. Oh, it's spectacular. He stands up,

3523
03:01:14,879 --> 03:01:17,040
and then Hogan gets it, and he sits back down,

3524
03:01:17,079 --> 03:01:22,239
and he goes he tears up random pieces of paper.

3525
03:01:22,719 --> 03:01:26,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, like a like a child having a child. So

3526
03:01:26,520 --> 03:01:29,600
this is them accelerating. Oh, the last man standing, Yes,

3527
03:01:31,479 --> 03:01:33,239
because this is coming off the Rumble, of course, and

3528
03:01:33,319 --> 03:01:36,360
we'll get to that. Yeah, but I just I thought

3529
03:01:36,399 --> 03:01:38,399
of that right away when I thought of what, when

3530
03:01:38,440 --> 03:01:42,360
have I seen a face from Sid that's probably close

3531
03:01:42,399 --> 03:01:45,239
to the face he was making wielding that squeegee. And

3532
03:01:45,360 --> 03:01:47,799
it's this WrestleMania press conference angle we've talked about over

3533
03:01:47,840 --> 03:01:49,639
the years. You know all about it. It's a WrestleMania

3534
03:01:49,680 --> 03:01:51,559
eight episode is there for the taking in the archives.

3535
03:01:51,959 --> 03:01:54,760
But as we know, going into WrestleMania eight, there is

3536
03:01:54,840 --> 03:01:57,559
controversy because of the way the Rumble ninety two ended

3537
03:01:58,239 --> 03:02:00,639
Rick Flair, of course becoming WA champion after Hulk Hogan

3538
03:02:00,680 --> 03:02:02,920
pulls Sid out after Hogan had already been eliminated. It

3539
03:02:03,000 --> 03:02:05,399
falls to WWF president Jack Tunney to make a decision

3540
03:02:05,639 --> 03:02:07,680
as to who will get the championship shot at WrestleMania.

3541
03:02:07,879 --> 03:02:10,479
Everyone's thinking Hogan Flair. He declares it to be Hogan

3542
03:02:10,760 --> 03:02:13,920
right in that press conference. Yes, and it doesn't end

3543
03:02:13,959 --> 03:02:16,959
up being Hogan ultimately, and Sid gets so pissed that

3544
03:02:17,079 --> 03:02:18,600
he didn't get it. And this is where Sid turns

3545
03:02:18,639 --> 03:02:21,840
Heill Basically, this is the first time he does something Yeah, yeah,

3546
03:02:21,840 --> 03:02:23,559
because not so forget when he pulled Hogan out of

3547
03:02:23,600 --> 03:02:25,399
the rumble, he got pretty well cheered. It wasn't like

3548
03:02:27,040 --> 03:02:28,600
it was almost more of a heel turn for Hogan.

3549
03:02:28,360 --> 03:02:31,319
Speaker 3: Than I mean, honestly, all this stuff actually it's actually

3550
03:02:31,399 --> 03:02:34,000
all a bunch of babyface stuff that really happens to him.

3551
03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:38,120
I mean, even getting even getting screwed out of the

3552
03:02:38,159 --> 03:02:41,280
title shot is it's like you kind of feel for

3553
03:02:41,360 --> 03:02:43,799
Sid because Sid was the last guy.

3554
03:02:44,000 --> 03:02:45,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you kind of resent Hogan because he's been

3555
03:02:45,719 --> 03:02:48,079
there so many times and now he's getting advantaged again.

3556
03:02:49,040 --> 03:02:50,799
But in their mind, they always do this. Vince always

3557
03:02:50,799 --> 03:02:52,440
had a problem with this, where like he get to

3558
03:02:52,479 --> 03:02:56,120
a certain point where he'd assume that the babyface would

3559
03:02:56,159 --> 03:02:58,120
be cheered. He did this with Charlotte against Becky, remember,

3560
03:02:58,520 --> 03:03:02,600
and it was like, oh, okay, like here's another here's

3561
03:03:02,600 --> 03:03:05,840
another version of the formula where Hogan comes out the

3562
03:03:05,920 --> 03:03:07,479
baby face. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, that's

3563
03:03:07,479 --> 03:03:09,799
one too many times you just missed you, you're one

3564
03:03:09,840 --> 03:03:10,360
step behind.

3565
03:03:10,399 --> 03:03:13,200
Speaker 3: That's one too many times it's done a piss poor

3566
03:03:13,319 --> 03:03:15,680
job of it, pispor job, and you're going to get

3567
03:03:15,719 --> 03:03:19,959
Hogan over as the baby face. Everything else should have

3568
03:03:20,000 --> 03:03:23,399
happened like he should have been in the Sid position

3569
03:03:23,600 --> 03:03:26,000
absolutely the whole time. And we're about to talk about

3570
03:03:26,040 --> 03:03:29,079
this because Sid notices this. Vince may have been too

3571
03:03:29,319 --> 03:03:32,680
more clever than we think here, because Hogan, knowing that

3572
03:03:32,760 --> 03:03:36,360
Sid's gonna move in in his position, has a fucking fit.

3573
03:03:36,479 --> 03:03:39,319
According to Sid backstage after the Royal rumaldnineteen ninety two,

3574
03:03:39,680 --> 03:03:44,159
feeling like Vince actually engineered circumstances, knowing full well that

3575
03:03:44,280 --> 03:03:46,120
the way it ended up being executed, and that Hogan

3576
03:03:46,159 --> 03:03:48,639
couldn't see it coming until it was too late, that

3577
03:03:48,760 --> 03:03:51,120
Sid would come away the baby face and Hogan would

3578
03:03:51,159 --> 03:03:54,760
come away the whiny bitch. And instead of that being

3579
03:03:54,959 --> 03:03:57,959
like some fans not going with Vince and his his

3580
03:03:58,079 --> 03:04:01,239
direction and his intended reaction, Hogan actually thinks that Vince

3581
03:04:01,319 --> 03:04:04,680
knew full well what the fans would do and try

3582
03:04:04,760 --> 03:04:06,319
to get Hogan to go along with it, and Sid

3583
03:04:06,479 --> 03:04:08,280
is just, you know, this guy caught in the middle

3584
03:04:08,319 --> 03:04:10,879
who doesn't understand this sort of you know, three D

3585
03:04:11,040 --> 03:04:12,840
chest that's going on, and certainly never had to deal

3586
03:04:12,920 --> 03:04:15,319
with that WCW where people just showed up to collect

3587
03:04:15,360 --> 03:04:18,719
and go home. Oh yeah, this is like a brand

3588
03:04:18,760 --> 03:04:20,399
new way of playing the game to him, and he's

3589
03:04:20,600 --> 03:04:24,079
very inexperienced in this regard. So he's playing with the

3590
03:04:24,120 --> 03:04:26,920
big dogs here. But just to hear what Sid had

3591
03:04:26,959 --> 03:04:30,799
to say after that WrestleMania a press conference, it's rather

3592
03:04:30,879 --> 03:04:33,440
a legendary and it puts another thing that we always

3593
03:04:33,479 --> 03:04:36,040
talk about with Sid on the table. Well, he said, Justice,

3594
03:04:36,079 --> 03:04:40,840
you were obviously not or to say something.

3595
03:04:41,200 --> 03:04:42,600
Speaker 11: What happened at Ward Rumbles.

3596
03:04:42,920 --> 03:04:46,000
Speaker 3: It was simple, man, I was the last man standing.

3597
03:04:46,399 --> 03:04:47,559
I would be the world.

3598
03:04:47,440 --> 03:04:50,559
Speaker 13: Chapman if it wasn't for you, Hogan, pulling me out

3599
03:04:50,959 --> 03:04:52,239
from outside the ring.

3600
03:04:53,000 --> 03:04:56,040
Speaker 3: Now, what you did, Jack Tunny was bogus.

3601
03:04:56,959 --> 03:04:59,280
Speaker 30: Both bogus act you fair for pull off.

3602
03:05:00,200 --> 03:05:01,760
Speaker 3: I want to ask you what is it?

3603
03:05:02,079 --> 03:05:04,719
Speaker 13: Is it because I'm not a big movie stormed like

3604
03:05:04,879 --> 03:05:07,680
Hulk Cogan, the big and mortal one himself.

3605
03:05:08,680 --> 03:05:11,440
Speaker 31: Is it because Sid Justice is the newcomer?

3606
03:05:12,799 --> 03:05:16,440
Speaker 13: Well, I want to tell you something, Hulk Hogan, you

3607
03:05:17,440 --> 03:05:22,040
couldn't be ripped player on your best taste. But I

3608
03:05:22,879 --> 03:05:29,959
can't why because Sid Justice ools us the world?

3609
03:05:32,559 --> 03:05:34,239
Speaker 6: I think it's the first time he said rules the world.

3610
03:05:34,280 --> 03:05:34,639
Speaker 3: I think so.

3611
03:05:36,440 --> 03:05:38,600
Speaker 6: Certainly close to it because that's a heel line, and

3612
03:05:38,680 --> 03:05:41,000
he's now a heel or you know, in their mind

3613
03:05:41,040 --> 03:05:43,920
becoming a heel, even though, like you said, any fair

3614
03:05:44,000 --> 03:05:45,479
reading of the way that played out for Sid, he

3615
03:05:45,600 --> 03:05:46,600
is absolutely the victim.

3616
03:05:47,159 --> 03:05:47,319
Speaker 3: Yep.

3617
03:05:47,520 --> 03:05:49,840
Speaker 6: But it's like Brett in ninety seven, And that's interesting.

3618
03:05:49,879 --> 03:05:52,360
That's interesting because you know, that plays a huge role

3619
03:05:52,440 --> 03:05:55,879
in where Sid stands Brett's storyline in ninety seven. It's like,

3620
03:05:56,600 --> 03:06:00,760
even if you're justified, if you whine too much about

3621
03:06:00,760 --> 03:06:03,000
being screwed over, you are eventually going to be a

3622
03:06:03,120 --> 03:06:05,319
heel in the eyes of the fans. Like right, even

3623
03:06:05,319 --> 03:06:07,440
if you have a total solid case to make, if

3624
03:06:07,440 --> 03:06:10,399
you if you go to go too long complaining about it,

3625
03:06:10,520 --> 03:06:14,680
eventually the fans turn on your forward or dis you know,

3626
03:06:15,079 --> 03:06:17,680
have a certain degree disdain for you. So I think

3627
03:06:17,719 --> 03:06:19,639
that's what happens to Sid, even though as I mentioned,

3628
03:06:19,680 --> 03:06:22,319
there are people that are vociferously kind of with Sid

3629
03:06:22,479 --> 03:06:24,680
kicking Hogan's asset, wrestling the aid for the most part,

3630
03:06:24,760 --> 03:06:26,159
by the time they get to Who's Your Dome, it's

3631
03:06:26,360 --> 03:06:29,520
you know, eighty five percent pro Hogan, right, even if

3632
03:06:29,559 --> 03:06:30,399
you're coming out of the road.

3633
03:06:30,360 --> 03:06:34,200
Speaker 3: And they enough, you know, to make to make Sid

3634
03:06:34,239 --> 03:06:35,000
little the bad guy.

3635
03:06:35,360 --> 03:06:37,319
Speaker 6: Indeed, and I got a request and I'm going to

3636
03:06:37,319 --> 03:06:39,159
answer it from one of our patrons. As we get

3637
03:06:39,159 --> 03:06:41,319
to this point, we've had a lot of fun as

3638
03:06:41,559 --> 03:06:44,520
you just started mimicking it. You just started out with

3639
03:06:44,639 --> 03:06:46,920
pantomiming it with that promo over the years, the most

3640
03:06:46,959 --> 03:06:49,719
bogus thing you've ever pulled off. Yes, someone said, you know,

3641
03:06:49,799 --> 03:06:53,920
I expect a treatise on the etymology of the word bogus.

3642
03:06:54,120 --> 03:06:57,000
All right, so in Sid's voice, could you please read

3643
03:06:57,440 --> 03:07:00,159
this summation of what we know. And it's it's not

3644
03:07:00,280 --> 03:07:02,520
very much about where the word bogus comes from.

3645
03:07:04,200 --> 03:07:10,840
Speaker 3: The word bogus has a somewhat mysterious etymology, but it

3646
03:07:10,959 --> 03:07:14,520
appears to have originated in the early nineteenth century in

3647
03:07:14,520 --> 03:07:21,920
the United States. It originally referred to device used for counterfeiting.

3648
03:07:21,879 --> 03:07:24,799
Speaker 6: Also known as pro wrestling, such as make.

3649
03:07:24,760 --> 03:07:30,079
Speaker 3: A machine for making fake coins. Over time, the words

3650
03:07:30,159 --> 03:07:34,959
meaning broadened to or for anything that was fake, fraudulent,

3651
03:07:36,399 --> 03:07:40,959
or not genuine. Here's a more detailed look at the

3652
03:07:41,040 --> 03:07:47,799
potential origin. Number One early used counterfeit money around the

3653
03:07:47,879 --> 03:07:51,879
eighteen twenties eighteen thirties, bogus was used to describe a

3654
03:07:52,000 --> 03:07:58,280
machine for making counterfeit coins or the counterfeit coins themselves.

3655
03:08:00,120 --> 03:08:05,840
Number two folk origins. Some sources suggest that a bogus

3656
03:08:07,440 --> 03:08:10,559
might have derived from a slang word for a fake

3657
03:08:10,680 --> 03:08:18,079
device or contraption often used in criminal activities, though exact

3658
03:08:18,159 --> 03:08:25,879
origins remain speculative. Evolution of meaning as it spread, bogus

3659
03:08:26,799 --> 03:08:33,680
evolves describe anything that was false, dishonest, or unreliable. By

3660
03:08:33,760 --> 03:08:36,920
the late nineteenth century, its use had explained to refer

3661
03:08:37,319 --> 03:08:46,840
to anything considered fake or phony, not just currency. The

3662
03:08:46,959 --> 03:08:50,520
exact root of the word remains unclear, and there's no

3663
03:08:50,719 --> 03:08:55,040
widely agreed upon linguistic origin. No, it might have been

3664
03:08:55,120 --> 03:09:00,319
linked to the boom in counterfeit currency production during this time.

3665
03:09:01,879 --> 03:09:10,280
The meaning today still reflects its origins, describing something fake

3666
03:09:11,799 --> 03:09:12,639
or inauthentic.

3667
03:09:13,280 --> 03:09:18,159
Speaker 6: Wow, and certainly Jack Tunney's decision as it regards contendership

3668
03:09:18,200 --> 03:09:19,079
for the WIF.

3669
03:09:18,840 --> 03:09:21,600
Speaker 3: Title qualifies under that very inauthentic.

3670
03:09:22,639 --> 03:09:24,239
Speaker 6: And it's funny that he ends up at a crossroads

3671
03:09:24,239 --> 03:09:26,639
here with Rick Flair as WF CHAM For many reasons. One,

3672
03:09:27,399 --> 03:09:30,559
he leaves WCW in the dust and leaves Flair in

3673
03:09:30,600 --> 03:09:33,360
the dust, you know, after having that friction with him

3674
03:09:33,399 --> 03:09:35,959
and the Horseman over how much you know, we talked

3675
03:09:35,959 --> 03:09:37,559
about it last week, how much he was paid, and

3676
03:09:37,840 --> 03:09:40,360
perhaps some resentment there that Sid's read of why Flair

3677
03:09:40,399 --> 03:09:42,200
gave him somewhat of a cold shoulder as time went on.

3678
03:09:43,200 --> 03:09:45,440
And there is also the matter at WCW or Flair,

3679
03:09:45,479 --> 03:09:47,440
who you know, had a lot of sway in terms

3680
03:09:47,440 --> 03:09:49,079
of how things were booked and how things were framed.

3681
03:09:49,120 --> 03:09:50,719
He'd just been the head of the booking committee and

3682
03:09:50,760 --> 03:09:53,200
kind of voluntarily stepped down from that role but retained

3683
03:09:53,200 --> 03:09:56,840
a lot of sway backstage, would basically, according to Sid,

3684
03:09:56,959 --> 03:09:59,360
kind of give them a hard time. Ahead of Hollyween

3685
03:09:59,399 --> 03:10:01,399
Havoc nineteen, I debrief faced sting for the title in

3686
03:10:01,479 --> 03:10:03,200
the main event about saying on interviews that I'm going

3687
03:10:03,280 --> 03:10:05,120
to be the next world champion and referring to himself

3688
03:10:05,120 --> 03:10:08,639
repeatedly as the next world Champion. To Rick Flair's mind,

3689
03:10:08,680 --> 03:10:10,200
that's not something he should say as much as he

3690
03:10:10,280 --> 03:10:12,000
did if there wasn't indeed a plan to give him

3691
03:10:12,000 --> 03:10:14,639
the title, or if they wanted to keep it somewhat

3692
03:10:14,639 --> 03:10:16,479
of a surprise if they decided to give him this strap.

3693
03:10:16,840 --> 03:10:18,840
Sid's story is at Olie Anderson, who of course was

3694
03:10:19,000 --> 03:10:21,040
very much as confident and supporter in the front office

3695
03:10:21,079 --> 03:10:23,799
and loved Sid was telling him to go out and

3696
03:10:23,840 --> 03:10:25,479
say this, and Oi was the actual boss at that

3697
03:10:25,559 --> 03:10:27,719
point in time, and so he's going to stick with

3698
03:10:27,760 --> 03:10:29,360
what Oli says. Now, of course, Sid is just going

3699
03:10:29,440 --> 03:10:31,559
to stick with whatever. If two people tell him to

3700
03:10:31,559 --> 03:10:33,079
doude two different things, He's going to pick the one

3701
03:10:33,120 --> 03:10:36,239
that frames him strongest and side with that person. But

3702
03:10:36,280 --> 03:10:37,840
I mean, the tension goes all the way back to

3703
03:10:37,959 --> 03:10:40,920
that point and now here he is top dog right

3704
03:10:41,479 --> 03:10:44,760
above Flair and the WWF on the Big WrestleMania show,

3705
03:10:45,559 --> 03:10:49,079
and still the stature of Rick vs. V The championship

3706
03:10:49,719 --> 03:10:53,559
is a relevant consideration for him and how he's cutting promos.

3707
03:10:53,600 --> 03:10:56,799
It really is something. How he leaves WCW presumably leaving

3708
03:10:56,840 --> 03:10:59,280
that Rick Flair situation behind him, and Rick comes right

3709
03:10:59,319 --> 03:11:02,120
in the door behind him as well. It's so true,

3710
03:11:02,760 --> 03:11:06,719
really strange. So as far as Sid looks back on

3711
03:11:06,760 --> 03:11:08,879
Hollyween Havoc ninety, he said in a shoot interview once,

3712
03:11:08,959 --> 03:11:10,559
so I know that he was the one Flair that

3713
03:11:10,639 --> 03:11:13,360
went to the upper people and said Sid's not ready

3714
03:11:13,559 --> 03:11:17,520
for this. Yes, so he sees some sabotage. He really

3715
03:11:17,559 --> 03:11:20,239
came into Halloween Havock apparently expecting to win the championship,

3716
03:11:20,399 --> 03:11:22,879
and that's where he gets into that whole thing about

3717
03:11:22,879 --> 03:11:24,799
how Barry Wyndham showing up in the matches the faked

3718
03:11:24,840 --> 03:11:27,760
Sting was not run by him ahead of time. He

3719
03:11:27,879 --> 03:11:29,760
sort of frames it. I guess ultimately is something that

3720
03:11:29,920 --> 03:11:31,920
was done to get Sid in the ring thinking he's

3721
03:11:31,920 --> 03:11:33,920
going to win the title, and double cross him in

3722
03:11:34,000 --> 03:11:36,040
real time to where Sting can still leave the champion,

3723
03:11:36,120 --> 03:11:38,040
but Sid can go to the ring and not put

3724
03:11:38,079 --> 03:11:41,079
up a fucking fight about not winning. So I don't

3725
03:11:41,079 --> 03:11:43,319
know there's a lot of credulity required to believe that

3726
03:11:43,440 --> 03:11:46,680
version of events, but I do believe that Flair and

3727
03:11:46,760 --> 03:11:49,840
Sid had some crosswords or at least spoke behind each

3728
03:11:49,840 --> 03:11:52,879
other's backs about things. And I would not be surprised

3729
03:11:52,920 --> 03:11:55,319
at all if Flair was going to the realizing how

3730
03:11:55,399 --> 03:11:58,120
much Sid was making going to the height of his

3731
03:11:58,239 --> 03:12:00,440
powers to let people know that he didn't think should

3732
03:12:00,440 --> 03:12:02,360
be the world champion at that point in nineteen ninety.

3733
03:12:02,959 --> 03:12:04,879
But here we are in the WWF and their fates

3734
03:12:04,920 --> 03:12:08,159
are again intertwined. And as mentioned at the Royal Rumble

3735
03:12:08,200 --> 03:12:10,319
nineteen ninety two, Rick Flair and the great Greatest Rumble

3736
03:12:10,319 --> 03:12:12,360
ever wins the championship. We know the story, we know

3737
03:12:12,440 --> 03:12:16,680
what happens Albany, New York. CID eliminates Hogan, everybody goes,

3738
03:12:16,719 --> 03:12:18,559
oh my god, and then Hogan gets so pissed that

3739
03:12:18,600 --> 03:12:21,079
he pulls Sid out from the floor, and the crowd

3740
03:12:21,159 --> 03:12:23,799
of course boos vociferously at Hogan for doing this and

3741
03:12:23,920 --> 03:12:27,959
cheers wildly when CID eliminates Hogan. In subsequent releases of

3742
03:12:28,040 --> 03:12:30,879
the tape on Colisseum Video and replays on television and

3743
03:12:31,000 --> 03:12:33,440
on the network to this day, they sort of dub

3744
03:12:33,520 --> 03:12:36,559
over the crowd going crazy when Hogan gets eliminated and yeah,

3745
03:12:36,600 --> 03:12:39,360
boo wing Hogan. But anybody who watched the Rumble ninety

3746
03:12:39,399 --> 03:12:40,000
two live.

3747
03:12:40,479 --> 03:12:43,440
Speaker 3: Well, And also you can't deny the fact that, you know,

3748
03:12:43,559 --> 03:12:46,719
people jump out of their seats when Hogan gets eliminated.

3749
03:12:46,760 --> 03:12:50,600
Speaker 6: You can see it, right. Yeah, so that's absolutely true

3750
03:12:50,639 --> 03:12:54,040
as well. So Sid is now going to the back

3751
03:12:54,159 --> 03:12:56,559
here in Albany, and he's going to observe what's happening here.

3752
03:12:56,920 --> 03:12:58,879
And again this is a Sid who's already kind of

3753
03:12:58,920 --> 03:13:01,879
disillusioned because the plan of him working only TVs and

3754
03:13:01,920 --> 03:13:04,280
pay per views has fallen through the idea of him

3755
03:13:04,399 --> 03:13:06,120
sort of taking his time to marinate to become the

3756
03:13:06,159 --> 03:13:09,399
next guy when Hogan departs has now accelerated so much

3757
03:13:09,479 --> 03:13:12,680
with Warrior sudden departure that he's out there clearly, as

3758
03:13:12,680 --> 03:13:16,079
we heard him express in a deeply dissatisfying position of

3759
03:13:16,200 --> 03:13:18,200
posing next to Hulk Hogan at the end of SummerSlam,

3760
03:13:18,280 --> 03:13:21,360
like that's supposed to accomplish anything. He'd call me a poser,

3761
03:13:21,479 --> 03:13:23,559
and he tears his bicep and loses the chance to

3762
03:13:23,600 --> 03:13:25,479
be as you mentioned, the show closer at the Survivor

3763
03:13:25,559 --> 03:13:27,959
series in his first pay per view match, So he's

3764
03:13:27,959 --> 03:13:30,959
already kind of not sure about this whole thing. And

3765
03:13:31,040 --> 03:13:33,600
then Hogan, according to Sid and I just love to

3766
03:13:33,639 --> 03:13:35,040
picture this in my head, and we'll hear the clip

3767
03:13:35,079 --> 03:13:37,239
here from a shoot interview that he did. This is

3768
03:13:37,239 --> 03:13:41,200
the one with Sean Mooney completely flips his lid over

3769
03:13:41,280 --> 03:13:43,799
what happened with Sid out there in the Rumble ninety two.

3770
03:13:45,200 --> 03:13:46,840
Speaker 8: In that company. I was in the wrong place at

3771
03:13:46,840 --> 03:13:52,120
the wrong time, you know, I left a big guaranteed

3772
03:13:52,159 --> 03:13:54,559
contract to come into this place, and what the deal was.

3773
03:13:54,920 --> 03:13:56,639
I was going to do TVs and pay per views

3774
03:13:56,680 --> 03:13:58,399
for one year, and that's to WrestleMania. I was going

3775
03:13:58,440 --> 03:13:59,840
to be the world champ and I was going to

3776
03:14:00,200 --> 03:14:02,639
start my first house show. Well, he had the Fire

3777
03:14:02,680 --> 03:14:05,159
of the Warrior, a SummerSlam, and all that shit changed,

3778
03:14:05,799 --> 03:14:08,399
you know, So from the very beginning, things.

3779
03:14:08,239 --> 03:14:09,040
Speaker 11: Just didn't go right.

3780
03:14:09,639 --> 03:14:13,280
Speaker 8: So we were in already New York at Royal Rumble,

3781
03:14:13,680 --> 03:14:19,959
where I think Hogan pulled me out from the outside

3782
03:14:20,079 --> 03:14:24,040
or something, and they started. Right when we get back,

3783
03:14:25,760 --> 03:14:28,440
you know, Hogan is screaming and acting like a woman,

3784
03:14:29,280 --> 03:14:32,079
and I'll go hold on a minute. He's screaming at events.

3785
03:14:32,399 --> 03:14:33,440
Speaker 3: You set this up.

3786
03:14:33,600 --> 03:14:37,200
Speaker 8: You made this happen. I didn't even know Vince was

3787
03:14:37,280 --> 03:14:39,440
that bad of a person at the time, you know

3788
03:14:39,639 --> 03:14:41,680
that did things like that. I thought that was just

3789
03:14:41,799 --> 03:14:45,440
all hearsay because I didn't care. You know, I really

3790
03:14:45,479 --> 03:14:48,559
didn't care what they did. So I went to Vince's office,

3791
03:14:48,799 --> 03:14:51,879
I said, Vince, listen, man. I took my hand down.

3792
03:14:51,920 --> 03:14:55,479
I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna thank you for the opportunity,

3793
03:14:55,959 --> 03:14:59,200
but I'm gone. I cannot work in the place that

3794
03:14:59,360 --> 03:15:02,520
grown men act like women. And he said, no, no, no,

3795
03:15:02,559 --> 03:15:04,639
I'm not shaking your hand. That's what it's not going

3796
03:15:04,680 --> 03:15:07,440
to do you good. I'm leaving. He's doing well, you

3797
03:15:07,600 --> 03:15:10,959
just stay till WrestleMania. And I said, okay, I'll stay

3798
03:15:11,079 --> 03:15:11,920
till WrestleMania.

3799
03:15:12,559 --> 03:15:14,680
Speaker 11: And that's what I did.

3800
03:15:14,840 --> 03:15:17,399
Speaker 8: And I think I finished up a couple of days

3801
03:15:17,399 --> 03:15:18,239
after WrestleMania.

3802
03:15:19,319 --> 03:15:21,120
Speaker 6: And this is where they make that sharp right turn

3803
03:15:21,120 --> 03:15:24,079
where Whippleman comes in and suddenly Sid's attacking innocence on

3804
03:15:24,920 --> 03:15:28,639
all the television shows and going super strong heel and uh,

3805
03:15:29,200 --> 03:15:31,840
that's that's what he claims. He claims that he quit

3806
03:15:32,000 --> 03:15:34,680
WWF backstage. What a fucking nightmare of for Vince.

3807
03:15:35,000 --> 03:15:36,200
Speaker 3: I mean, what are you doing.

3808
03:15:36,399 --> 03:15:38,479
Speaker 6: Everyone loves this show. They think it's such a brilliantly

3809
03:15:38,520 --> 03:15:43,959
booked show. Backstage, Sids Quintin Hogan's Quintin. Fucking everything's falling apart,

3810
03:15:45,239 --> 03:15:46,920
and yeah, it starts to make sense. I mean, Sid,

3811
03:15:46,959 --> 03:15:48,760
just agree to stay through WrestleMania, because even though he

3812
03:15:48,799 --> 03:15:50,840
did work a couple of shows. After he fucking leaves,

3813
03:15:51,319 --> 03:15:54,079
he leaves, he finds a way out. Now there's this,

3814
03:15:54,239 --> 03:15:56,120
there's we've talked about this before, and we'll talk about

3815
03:15:56,120 --> 03:15:58,479
it again. There's a certain subtext to all this that

3816
03:15:58,559 --> 03:16:03,120
he never seems to mention. And Vince is cracking down

3817
03:16:03,280 --> 03:16:06,440
on drug testing. Yeah, I musten not even sure if

3818
03:16:06,479 --> 03:16:08,120
he was fifty pounds lighter, if he would have been

3819
03:16:08,280 --> 03:16:08,760
as big.

3820
03:16:08,680 --> 03:16:10,440
Speaker 3: Of a deal. Oh, I don't think so at all.

3821
03:16:11,000 --> 03:16:12,559
I don't think there would have been any I think

3822
03:16:12,719 --> 03:16:15,319
I think that that would have been I think it

3823
03:16:15,319 --> 03:16:17,600
would have been done easily. He's not gonna he's not

3824
03:16:17,639 --> 03:16:21,000
gonna main event anything. Yeah, if he's not his size, Like,

3825
03:16:21,159 --> 03:16:23,559
the size is what makes him special, and.

3826
03:16:23,600 --> 03:16:26,319
Speaker 6: I think he knew that better than anybody, as someone

3827
03:16:26,360 --> 03:16:29,239
that was so maniacally determined to keep that size up

3828
03:16:30,000 --> 03:16:32,959
by all indications, and you know, someone who like literally

3829
03:16:33,120 --> 03:16:37,079
disappeared after he broke his leg and wasn't able to

3830
03:16:37,479 --> 03:16:39,520
you know, continue on the regiment and didn't really emerge

3831
03:16:39,559 --> 03:16:42,840
again into the public eye until he had healed sufficient

3832
03:16:42,879 --> 03:16:45,120
to get his size up again. So all that said,

3833
03:16:46,520 --> 03:16:48,360
you got to consider that as part of what might

3834
03:16:48,440 --> 03:16:52,920
be animating sid looking for reasons to quit. Okay, I'm

3835
03:16:52,959 --> 03:16:57,600
just suggesting that that's a strong possibility, and the nature

3836
03:16:57,600 --> 03:17:00,520
of his ultimate departure in nineteen ninety two after rest eight,

3837
03:17:00,559 --> 03:17:02,399
I think adds a lot of credence to that theory.

3838
03:17:04,239 --> 03:17:05,879
So we'll get to more detail on that front. But

3839
03:17:06,079 --> 03:17:08,799
what happens here is is the way this all ends

3840
03:17:08,840 --> 03:17:10,440
up playing out for Sid leads to kind of like

3841
03:17:10,520 --> 03:17:14,680
this folklore, this urban legend that basically Sid was in

3842
03:17:14,799 --> 03:17:17,159
position to get Hulk Cogan spot in the company and

3843
03:17:17,280 --> 03:17:20,120
ended up being so sort of tone deaf to everything

3844
03:17:20,239 --> 03:17:23,920
that he instead insisted on becoming a heel that somehow

3845
03:17:23,959 --> 03:17:27,399
it was at Sid's insistence that he caused himself the

3846
03:17:27,440 --> 03:17:29,959
opportunity to be the next Hull Covid of the Baboo,

3847
03:17:30,600 --> 03:17:32,000
as he just you know, wanted to play from his

3848
03:17:32,040 --> 03:17:34,000
old bag of tricks as a heel. Here's here's an

3849
03:17:34,040 --> 03:17:36,520
example of that. This is Kevin Nash reacting to the

3850
03:17:36,559 --> 03:17:39,040
passing of Sid and has clicked this podcast with Sean Oliver,

3851
03:17:39,559 --> 03:17:41,040
you know, reflecting on some of the things that you

3852
03:17:41,159 --> 03:17:42,920
heard about Sid being in the business and he knew

3853
03:17:42,959 --> 03:17:45,719
Sid real well, and this is, uh, this is kind

3854
03:17:45,760 --> 03:17:47,760
of like what survived in terms of the version of

3855
03:17:47,799 --> 03:17:49,479
the story of what happened in this time period of

3856
03:17:49,600 --> 03:17:49,879
w W.

3857
03:17:50,719 --> 03:17:53,680
Speaker 8: He sent my church a case of beingna sausages, and

3858
03:17:53,760 --> 03:17:55,399
I sent him an autograph picture.

3859
03:17:56,159 --> 03:17:59,319
Speaker 6: Gotcha now here he is.

3860
03:18:00,319 --> 03:18:02,360
Speaker 3: I wasn't said one of the biggest names in He

3861
03:18:02,520 --> 03:18:03,719
was just fucking Sid.

3862
03:18:04,200 --> 03:18:06,760
Speaker 32: I mean one of the one of the stories that's

3863
03:18:06,840 --> 03:18:14,920
always surfaced is, you know, Vince calls Sit into the

3864
03:18:15,000 --> 03:18:18,319
office and Sid comes in and Vince says, you know,

3865
03:18:20,719 --> 03:18:23,760
I'm gonna give you Hogan's boots, like You're gonna basically

3866
03:18:23,879 --> 03:18:27,360
like Hogan's gonna give you his gimmick and you're You're

3867
03:18:27,399 --> 03:18:31,159
gonna He's gonna pass the torch to you, and said

3868
03:18:31,360 --> 03:18:35,200
he looked at Vince and said, well, yeah, that's great

3869
03:18:35,239 --> 03:18:36,760
and all, but what you need right now is a

3870
03:18:36,799 --> 03:18:41,959
big vicious heel. So in other words, like just like that,

3871
03:18:42,239 --> 03:18:44,360
we're gonna give you the Hogan spot.

3872
03:18:44,879 --> 03:18:45,079
Speaker 3: Nah.

3873
03:18:46,479 --> 03:18:48,920
Speaker 32: Thanks, but I think you need a big vicious heel.

3874
03:18:50,319 --> 03:18:53,680
Speaker 6: Amazing And he did the Sid accent too, Yeah, he did.

3875
03:18:53,799 --> 03:18:55,360
What you did right now is a big vicious heel.

3876
03:18:55,719 --> 03:18:57,879
Of course, I can definitely hear Sid saying what you

3877
03:18:57,959 --> 03:19:01,520
need right now? Yeah, oh, absolutely, yeah, because he's seeing

3878
03:19:01,559 --> 03:19:02,159
himself as a.

3879
03:19:02,319 --> 03:19:04,120
Speaker 3: What you need right now is you need a big

3880
03:19:04,280 --> 03:19:08,319
vicious heel. No, I could do. I could bring in

3881
03:19:09,479 --> 03:19:13,440
I could bring in some Viennas. You see what I'm saying.

3882
03:19:13,760 --> 03:19:19,280
I come in, I'll throw Vienna's and it's all over.

3883
03:19:21,159 --> 03:19:27,360
Disgusting Vienna what brother Vienna's Dude? What is that? What

3884
03:19:27,440 --> 03:19:27,600
are you?

3885
03:19:29,760 --> 03:19:32,360
Speaker 6: Huh? It's just amazing that Sid watches all this chaos

3886
03:19:32,440 --> 03:19:37,000
around him. The legend ends up being that Sid talked

3887
03:19:37,079 --> 03:19:41,120
himself out of hul Cogan's position. It's ridiculous and so well,

3888
03:19:41,239 --> 03:19:43,280
it's time to go heal. You know what time it is, boss?

3889
03:19:43,319 --> 03:19:45,399
This is where you enter the picture, right. Oh yeah,

3890
03:19:45,680 --> 03:19:48,200
Saturday Night's main event on NBC, one of the final

3891
03:19:48,280 --> 03:19:52,040
ones in NBC on Fox, Sorry Fox Fox building to

3892
03:19:52,159 --> 03:19:55,600
WrestleMania eight and they shoot the angle. Sid's teaming with

3893
03:19:55,639 --> 03:20:00,239
Hogan against two again Undertaker and Rick Flair. You can't

3894
03:20:00,239 --> 03:20:02,479
miss it. It's in the archives for your review. We've

3895
03:20:02,520 --> 03:20:05,079
talked about it before, but we're gonna revisit it here.

3896
03:20:05,959 --> 03:20:08,079
Sid betrays the Hawkster.

3897
03:20:08,280 --> 03:20:13,399
Speaker 20: Good Richie for the time you listen. Oh, no, Justice,

3898
03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:18,520
what's he doing? Trust does Purgans holding?

3899
03:20:19,079 --> 03:20:19,760
Speaker 3: Can't tell you?

3900
03:20:19,879 --> 03:20:21,639
Speaker 7: This is a sen He's taking her.

3901
03:20:21,719 --> 03:20:23,760
Speaker 2: He he's had enough for help hugging.

3902
03:20:24,079 --> 03:20:25,600
Speaker 7: He's had enough for beefcake.

3903
03:20:26,120 --> 03:20:27,239
Speaker 2: He's taking a hot.

3904
03:20:27,239 --> 03:20:29,920
Speaker 4: Put us beefcake spinning. Ah, wait a minute, help him,

3905
03:20:30,680 --> 03:20:33,079
don't need any please, this will be like a hockey game.

3906
03:20:33,120 --> 03:20:36,079
He'll be a face off if he touches beefcake. I guarantee,

3907
03:20:36,280 --> 03:20:41,120
says help himself. But you hear what Justice said. He

3908
03:20:41,280 --> 03:20:43,760
wants talking to help himself, joining.

3909
03:20:43,680 --> 03:20:46,239
Speaker 12: Me now, said Justice, there must be some reason for

3910
03:20:46,319 --> 03:20:46,920
your suctions.

3911
03:20:47,000 --> 03:20:47,639
Speaker 2: You turned your.

3912
03:20:47,559 --> 03:20:50,280
Speaker 30: Back on your friend, Holt Coke shut up first.

3913
03:20:50,360 --> 03:20:50,879
Speaker 3: It's easy.

3914
03:20:51,319 --> 03:20:54,280
Speaker 13: I do turn my back on my friends because I

3915
03:20:54,639 --> 03:20:58,399
do need any friends, and for furthermore, for friends like

3916
03:20:58,520 --> 03:21:00,479
Cold Cogan, I need no enemies.

3917
03:21:00,719 --> 03:21:03,639
Speaker 2: Now, I cannot still believe the words that.

3918
03:21:03,760 --> 03:21:06,959
Speaker 13: Jack Tunny spit out his mouth and named Hulk Cogan

3919
03:21:07,000 --> 03:21:10,040
the number one contender to face Rick Flair for the

3920
03:21:10,159 --> 03:21:11,719
championship at WrestleMania.

3921
03:21:12,120 --> 03:21:13,120
Speaker 11: Because it's simple.

3922
03:21:13,719 --> 03:21:17,360
Speaker 13: All you have to do is open your eyes and

3923
03:21:17,479 --> 03:21:19,799
you will see the man is standing here as the

3924
03:21:19,920 --> 03:21:23,959
number one contender. Now, Jack Turney, you've alreadys showed favoritism,

3925
03:21:24,000 --> 03:21:25,399
always showed favorite tasm tow.

3926
03:21:25,360 --> 03:21:26,760
Speaker 3: Him in case that big movie store.

3927
03:21:26,879 --> 03:21:27,520
Speaker 11: Maybe I'm not.

3928
03:21:29,479 --> 03:21:35,639
Speaker 3: I said it once and I'll say it again. Hulk Cogan.

3929
03:21:36,920 --> 03:21:41,239
You couldn't beat Rick Flair on your best day.

3930
03:21:45,879 --> 03:21:49,920
Speaker 30: As you can't make me oh my worst for Clive

3931
03:21:50,159 --> 03:21:58,319
the Madden the rules in the world, and I believed him.

3932
03:21:59,520 --> 03:22:00,000
Speaker 3: Take us back.

3933
03:22:00,239 --> 03:22:01,120
Speaker 6: How are you reacting?

3934
03:22:01,479 --> 03:22:03,479
Speaker 3: Oh god, I was. I mean, you know, first of all,

3935
03:22:03,520 --> 03:22:06,799
I was mortified because all I wanted was to see

3936
03:22:06,799 --> 03:22:11,280
a whole Cogan, you know, whule Cogan win a match

3937
03:22:11,360 --> 03:22:15,840
clean on TV live or in my mind live. That's

3938
03:22:15,879 --> 03:22:19,280
all I wanted. And I was so excited and then

3939
03:22:19,360 --> 03:22:22,760
Sid pulls this shit. Oh god, I can remember how

3940
03:22:22,840 --> 03:22:25,840
nervous I was when when when Sid wasn't looking for

3941
03:22:25,920 --> 03:22:27,639
the tag oh.

3942
03:22:28,079 --> 03:22:30,719
Speaker 6: Dropped right off the apron and Hogan's desperate crawl.

3943
03:22:33,040 --> 03:22:34,520
Speaker 3: It was so it was just.

3944
03:22:36,040 --> 03:22:38,959
Speaker 6: It was brutal to me, and he did it so nonchalantly.

3945
03:22:39,000 --> 03:22:41,879
But then to have such venom on the promo afterwards. Yeah,

3946
03:22:41,920 --> 03:22:44,440
these are the guys you're looking into that formed your

3947
03:22:44,520 --> 03:22:47,600
lifelong impressions of Sid. Exactly the first thing you said

3948
03:22:47,639 --> 03:22:50,040
when we started doing the tribute show that came from

3949
03:22:50,040 --> 03:22:51,719
the promo. We just heard in the angle, we just

3950
03:22:51,799 --> 03:22:57,280
heard yep, exactly all that massive and it was, uh,

3951
03:22:57,639 --> 03:23:03,120
you know, this match was featured in the Battle of

3952
03:23:03,159 --> 03:23:07,120
the Titans. Yeah, this is the time for in the

3953
03:23:07,200 --> 03:23:10,000
April ninety two issue of W magazine. Now that Sid's

3954
03:23:10,000 --> 03:23:13,319
a heel, let's see how the framing has shifted. In

3955
03:23:13,399 --> 03:23:15,159
the in house publication, there we go.

3956
03:23:17,879 --> 03:23:20,719
Speaker 3: Sid Justice promised everyone that he would be the Hulkster's

3957
03:23:20,799 --> 03:23:23,399
truest friend hours before they were scheduled to meet w

3958
03:23:23,760 --> 03:23:26,959
Champion Rick Flair and the Undertaker on Saturday Night's main

3959
03:23:27,040 --> 03:23:30,040
event last month. Sid broke his promise and showed his

3960
03:23:30,159 --> 03:23:32,520
true colors when he abandoned the Hulkster in his time

3961
03:23:32,600 --> 03:23:35,520
of need. It was clear even before they entered the

3962
03:23:35,520 --> 03:23:38,000
Saturday Night's main event ring that all was not well

3963
03:23:38,120 --> 03:23:40,879
between Justice and hulk As soon as the bell rang,

3964
03:23:41,000 --> 03:23:45,639
they argued as to whom as to whether which of

3965
03:23:45,719 --> 03:23:49,280
them would start the match. The Hulkster reluctantly stepped to

3966
03:23:49,319 --> 03:23:51,680
the apron and watched his partner lock up with Flair.

3967
03:23:52,360 --> 03:23:55,280
Justice quickly established his dominance. He reversed an Irish whip

3968
03:23:55,319 --> 03:23:58,760
and slung Flair into the turnbuckle before leveling him with

3969
03:23:58,840 --> 03:24:01,719
a back body drop on a hip. Stunned, Flair sought

3970
03:24:01,840 --> 03:24:04,799
refuge on the arena floor after he caught his breath.

3971
03:24:04,879 --> 03:24:07,719
Flair re entered the ring just then Justice tagged the Hulkster,

3972
03:24:08,040 --> 03:24:11,479
who was out to demolish Flair. Hogan went on a tear.

3973
03:24:11,639 --> 03:24:13,680
He booted Flair in the stomach and hammered him with

3974
03:24:13,760 --> 03:24:17,520
the same tactics that Justice had used moments earlier. The

3975
03:24:17,639 --> 03:24:20,680
Undertaker rushed to his partner's age It aid it was

3976
03:24:20,840 --> 03:24:30,200
a mistake. Hogan greeted the Hogan greeted the Pale Destroyer.

3977
03:24:30,440 --> 03:24:34,959
Oh my god, p is capitalized as his d Is

3978
03:24:35,040 --> 03:24:38,520
it really the Pale Destroyer? Yes? With punches and a

3979
03:24:38,600 --> 03:24:41,600
hip toss. Holk then grabbed the Undertaker and rammed his

3980
03:24:41,760 --> 03:24:45,040
head into Justice's boot. Justice tagged into the match and

3981
03:24:45,079 --> 03:24:48,200
staggered the Undertaker with a body slam before ramming his

3982
03:24:48,360 --> 03:24:51,239
head into the Halkster's boot in the corner. At that point,

3983
03:24:51,479 --> 03:24:54,559
Justice and Hogan were working together like a well oiled machine.

3984
03:24:56,799 --> 03:24:59,639
Hulk kept up the momentum by double clotheslining his opponents

3985
03:25:00,079 --> 03:25:04,200
from there, sid In the Hulkster merged their talents and

3986
03:25:04,440 --> 03:25:07,360
cleared Flair and the Undertaker from the ring with precision

3987
03:25:07,680 --> 03:25:11,680
double teeming. The crowd erupted into cheers Hogan, who shares

3988
03:25:11,799 --> 03:25:15,799
a tight bond with his millions of holkam Amiacs reveled

3989
03:25:15,840 --> 03:25:22,280
in their adulation. Justice looked at Hogan with envy. O

3990
03:25:22,559 --> 03:25:31,840
my god. He shook his head and snorted snorted, what

3991
03:25:31,959 --> 03:25:32,360
we don't know.

3992
03:25:32,600 --> 03:25:35,840
Speaker 6: I know, I remember seeing this, but okay, whatever you say.

3993
03:25:37,079 --> 03:25:41,959
Speaker 3: Seconds later, the complexion of the match changed. Separated by

3994
03:25:42,000 --> 03:25:44,280
the referee, Hogan and Flair jawed at one another on

3995
03:25:44,360 --> 03:25:48,440
the apron. The Undertaker entered the ring and blasted Justice,

3996
03:25:48,440 --> 03:25:52,159
whose guard was down. The Undertaker tagged Flair, and together

3997
03:25:52,719 --> 03:25:55,040
the two athletes worked over the big man from Arkansas

3998
03:25:55,159 --> 03:25:59,159
with chops, chokes, and punches to the ear.

3999
03:26:02,000 --> 03:26:05,200
Speaker 6: Okay, strangely, specific.

4000
03:26:06,000 --> 03:26:10,639
Speaker 3: Amazingly, Sid absorbed these blows and rebounded. He grabbed Flair

4001
03:26:11,040 --> 03:26:14,239
and the Undertaker and rammed their skulls together, dazing them.

4002
03:26:15,239 --> 03:26:17,840
Justice tagged a fired up Hulkster, who stormed the ring

4003
03:26:18,040 --> 03:26:26,000
and tattooed Flair in the Undertaker with tremendous blows tattooed.

4004
03:26:27,319 --> 03:26:31,000
Even the Undertaker's manager, Paul BarreR, was tagged when he

4005
03:26:31,079 --> 03:26:34,360
stepped too close to the action. Yes. However, while Holkomania

4006
03:26:34,399 --> 03:26:37,680
was running wild, Flair was clearing the cobwebs and planning

4007
03:26:37,719 --> 03:26:40,559
his next move. He crept up on Hogan's blind side

4008
03:26:40,600 --> 03:26:42,760
and dropped him with a boot to the lower hamstring

4009
03:26:44,000 --> 03:26:47,520
like a wolf. Flair dug into the tender spot and

4010
03:26:48,200 --> 03:26:52,239
ensnared brother. Won't my spot, dude, my spouse word tender, dude,

4011
03:26:52,280 --> 03:26:56,239
that's quite tender, and ensnared Hogan in a painful figure

4012
03:26:56,280 --> 03:27:00,639
for leg lock. Flair increased the pressure and rocked on

4013
03:27:00,799 --> 03:27:04,239
the mat to ensure that every ligament in the Hulkster's

4014
03:27:04,319 --> 03:27:08,079
leg would be twisted. Writhing in pain, Hulk inched his

4015
03:27:08,159 --> 03:27:10,559
way across the ring and reached up for an important tag.

4016
03:27:11,639 --> 03:27:17,719
He was reaching for air with contempt in his beady eyes.

4017
03:27:18,639 --> 03:27:21,840
Sid turned down, looked down at Hogan and turned his back.

4018
03:27:22,959 --> 03:27:25,280
Seeing this flare on, the Undertaker opened up on the Hulkster.

4019
03:27:25,680 --> 03:27:31,600
They choked him and pummeled him into the mat. Hogan

4020
03:27:31,680 --> 03:27:33,879
tried to rebound with slams, but every time he went

4021
03:27:33,920 --> 03:27:38,799
to his corner, Justice wouldn't extend his hand. He ignored

4022
03:27:39,559 --> 03:27:43,840
Hogan's plea for help. Finally, Justice wiped his hands of

4023
03:27:43,920 --> 03:27:47,200
Hulk Hogan. He stepped out the apron just before Hogan

4024
03:27:47,280 --> 03:27:52,600
reached for another crucial tag and walked off Brutus the barber. Beefcake,

4025
03:27:52,639 --> 03:27:55,520
who was at ringside during the match, ran down the

4026
03:27:55,559 --> 03:27:58,680
aisle and confronted Sid b if Keke told Justice to

4027
03:27:58,760 --> 03:28:02,319
return to action. However, Justice didn't want any of Hogan

4028
03:28:02,520 --> 03:28:05,680
or his best friend Beefcake. He looked at the ring,

4029
03:28:06,399 --> 03:28:11,799
arched his eyebrows, and then spit in Brutus's face. Wow. Meanwhile,

4030
03:28:11,879 --> 03:28:14,879
Hogan was still taking a beating. Flair and the Undertaker

4031
03:28:14,959 --> 03:28:17,479
choked and kicked the Hulkster at will. When the referee

4032
03:28:17,479 --> 03:28:19,879
attempted to stop them, Flair threw him to the canvas,

4033
03:28:20,159 --> 03:28:25,000
which eventually earned the team at disqualification. Beefcake, still recovering

4034
03:28:25,079 --> 03:28:29,319
from facial injuries, still recovering. I mean, come on, it's

4035
03:28:29,360 --> 03:28:33,559
been almost two years where you're recovering from. I couldn't

4036
03:28:33,559 --> 03:28:36,000
take any more. He ran into the ring and challenged

4037
03:28:36,000 --> 03:28:39,479
Flair and the Undertaker. Sensing they might permanently injure somebody,

4038
03:28:39,840 --> 03:28:43,479
Flair and his partner turned their attention to Beefcake. However,

4039
03:28:43,639 --> 03:28:46,959
this was what Hogan needed. He rose to his feet

4040
03:28:47,200 --> 03:28:50,520
and came to his friend's aid. He battered the Undertaker

4041
03:28:50,559 --> 03:28:53,559
and Flair as if there were no tomorrow, and deposited

4042
03:28:53,639 --> 03:28:56,399
them on the arena floor, where they chose to stay

4043
03:28:58,040 --> 03:29:02,319
after the bell. Hogan was of it. He promised everybody

4044
03:29:02,399 --> 03:29:06,000
that justice will be served for Sid's actions when they

4045
03:29:06,159 --> 03:29:11,840
meet at WrestleMania eight. And that's the Battle of the Titans.

4046
03:29:12,159 --> 03:29:16,079
And you read this with horror, I'd imagine, Well, by

4047
03:29:16,159 --> 03:29:19,600
this point I kind of knew that it was, you know,

4048
03:29:19,760 --> 03:29:22,280
what was going down. I see, you know. It wasn't

4049
03:29:22,319 --> 03:29:29,680
really a surprise, but what was I was very excited

4050
03:29:29,719 --> 03:29:31,159
just to be able to read about Hulk Hogan and

4051
03:29:31,200 --> 03:29:31,879
the magazine like.

4052
03:29:33,879 --> 03:29:34,079
Speaker 1: This is.

4053
03:29:34,200 --> 03:29:37,680
Speaker 3: This was only my second magazine that I purchased, and

4054
03:29:38,000 --> 03:29:40,639
I'd never read about a Hulk Hogan match in the magazine.

4055
03:29:40,680 --> 03:29:41,879
So I was very excited about that.

4056
03:29:42,920 --> 03:29:47,079
Speaker 6: Absolutely, So the memories that pour forward in the way

4057
03:29:47,120 --> 03:29:49,239
that Sid is portrayed there, what a piece of shit, right?

4058
03:29:49,319 --> 03:29:53,959
Speaker 3: Oh yeah? The cover too, By the way, he has Flair, Savage, Hogan,

4059
03:29:54,040 --> 03:29:56,600
and Sid, all four of them on the cover.

4060
03:29:56,840 --> 03:29:58,520
Speaker 6: Is that that famous cover with Flair with a belt

4061
03:29:58,520 --> 03:29:59,159
in the foreground.

4062
03:29:59,360 --> 03:30:04,280
Speaker 3: No, that's the March issue equally as important. Actually, there

4063
03:30:04,360 --> 03:30:08,159
is a piece in there, actually a very brief piece,

4064
03:30:10,000 --> 03:30:14,680
because because what they do is they they interview in

4065
03:30:14,760 --> 03:30:18,760
the interview section, they interview a number of superstars. It's Hogan,

4066
03:30:18,920 --> 03:30:29,360
It's Flair, Savage, Piper, Undertaker, and Sid And here's what

4067
03:30:30,280 --> 03:30:33,719
Sid so he's asked, said Justice, you've said you think

4068
03:30:33,799 --> 03:30:38,719
this is also before he before he turned on Hogan.

4069
03:30:39,280 --> 03:30:42,879
This is pre turn, said Justice. You said you've earned

4070
03:30:42,959 --> 03:30:44,639
you think you deserve a shot of the title. Does

4071
03:30:44,719 --> 03:30:46,760
the fact that you don't have a chance to get

4072
03:30:46,799 --> 03:30:54,680
it in to get it in any way? Said Justice.

4073
03:30:54,840 --> 03:30:58,120
You said you think you deserve a shot at the title.

4074
03:30:58,639 --> 03:31:00,840
Does the fact that you don't have a chance to

4075
03:31:00,959 --> 03:31:05,680
get it in any way diminish your enthusiasm for WrestleMania eight?

4076
03:31:06,399 --> 03:31:10,000
No way, man, I'm gonna crack that head of somebody

4077
03:31:10,159 --> 03:31:14,079
big at WrestleMania eight. You wait and see. I'm gonna

4078
03:31:14,159 --> 03:31:17,280
do something that will make people look more than twice

4079
03:31:17,639 --> 03:31:21,120
at Sid Justice. You can believe it when I say

4080
03:31:21,440 --> 03:31:25,280
that I'm no longer is this farm board from Arkansas

4081
03:31:25,600 --> 03:31:28,959
gonna take a back seat to anybody watch out for

4082
03:31:29,200 --> 03:31:30,440
Sid Justice.

4083
03:31:32,639 --> 03:31:51,479
Speaker 1: Damn it's a la fan wrestling podcasts fan wrestling podcast

4084
03:31:51,920 --> 03:31:54,600
with Jack and Jpro.

4085
03:31:55,159 --> 03:31:55,879
Speaker 6: That's a hell turn.

4086
03:31:56,399 --> 03:31:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's it's they're planting the seeds

4087
03:31:58,959 --> 03:31:59,479
there for sure.

4088
03:32:00,680 --> 03:32:03,600
Speaker 6: And so if you need to really accentuate this change

4089
03:32:03,639 --> 03:32:06,879
in personality and really need to you know, deliver more,

4090
03:32:08,840 --> 03:32:11,639
you know, obnoxious promos or longer form promos, if you

4091
03:32:11,680 --> 03:32:14,520
need someone to play off of, you know, perhaps it's

4092
03:32:14,639 --> 03:32:17,120
time to uh no boy, to cash in in an

4093
03:32:17,120 --> 03:32:19,559
old favor. Perhaps it's time to call in an old friend.

4094
03:32:19,680 --> 03:32:24,639
You recall when Sid left Memphis and Continental for WCW

4095
03:32:24,840 --> 03:32:28,040
in eighty nine, there was kind of a thing between

4096
03:32:28,120 --> 03:32:30,440
him and Downtown Bruno is manager in Continental as Lord

4097
03:32:30,479 --> 03:32:33,680
Humongus that you know, when I make it, that phone's

4098
03:32:33,680 --> 03:32:37,520
going to ring again when I need you and a

4099
03:32:37,639 --> 03:32:39,840
friend to the end in a lot of ways. Indeed,

4100
03:32:39,959 --> 03:32:42,719
and perhaps in less ways than Downtown Bruno would have

4101
03:32:42,719 --> 03:32:45,040
hoped for, was Sid. We turn now to wrestling with

4102
03:32:45,079 --> 03:32:48,479
the Truth Brunel Lauer's book and his recollection of how

4103
03:32:48,600 --> 03:32:51,239
now that Sid's a heel, that phone's ringing? We need

4104
03:32:52,120 --> 03:32:53,479
Harvey Whippleman take it away.

4105
03:32:54,360 --> 03:32:56,440
Speaker 3: One day in July nineteen ninety one, as I sat

4106
03:32:56,520 --> 03:32:59,920
in the box office in Jasper, Indiana, the telephone ring

4107
03:33:00,120 --> 03:33:02,760
that wasn't unusual. There was there were always a lot

4108
03:33:02,799 --> 03:33:04,440
of calls to the box office on the day of

4109
03:33:04,520 --> 03:33:08,000
the Showphis fans who had questions about ticket prices, the lineup,

4110
03:33:08,040 --> 03:33:10,559
the bell time, et cetera. I was used to answering

4111
03:33:10,600 --> 03:33:14,040
those questions. This phone call, however, was one that I

4112
03:33:14,159 --> 03:33:19,479
didn't expect. It was Sabrina Udi, Sid's wife calling me

4113
03:33:19,559 --> 03:33:22,319
from Atlanta. I was shocked because, due to the fact

4114
03:33:22,319 --> 03:33:25,000
that we were no longer living in the same general area,

4115
03:33:25,600 --> 03:33:28,399
we were busy with our personal schedules. We hadn't remained

4116
03:33:28,399 --> 03:33:31,680
in very close contact. We would send birthday and Christmas cards,

4117
03:33:31,719 --> 03:33:34,280
but that was about it. I'd like to get a

4118
03:33:34,399 --> 03:33:39,120
fucking a birthday card from Harvey Whippleman.

4119
03:33:39,200 --> 03:33:41,079
Speaker 6: Not what I wouldn't kill to see what it looked like.

4120
03:33:41,959 --> 03:33:44,639
This is the Memphis box office. He's working for USWA

4121
03:33:44,760 --> 03:33:45,440
and Jerry Longer.

4122
03:33:45,520 --> 03:33:48,200
Speaker 3: At the time, Sid and his family had moved from

4123
03:33:48,200 --> 03:33:50,559
the Greater Memphis area to Atlanta, where he went to

4124
03:33:50,600 --> 03:33:54,079
work for WCW. I was curious to know how Sabrina

4125
03:33:54,120 --> 03:33:58,319
managed to track me down in Jasper, Indiana. The lady

4126
03:33:58,399 --> 03:34:00,639
really did her homework. She had called Buddy Wayne, a

4127
03:34:00,680 --> 03:34:04,239
longtime USWA promoter and friend, and asked him if he

4128
03:34:04,319 --> 03:34:06,840
knew how to reach me. He told me that I

4129
03:34:06,959 --> 03:34:09,840
was living in a shed behind Lawler's house and gave

4130
03:34:09,879 --> 03:34:12,719
her Lawler's number. She then called Lawler, who confirmed that

4131
03:34:12,760 --> 03:34:15,600
I was staying in his quote guest quarters, that I

4132
03:34:15,680 --> 03:34:17,760
had been on the road since Tuesday morning and he

4133
03:34:17,799 --> 03:34:20,559
didn't know when I'd be back. He told Sabrina that

4134
03:34:20,680 --> 03:34:24,040
I would definitely be back for TV on Saturday, and

4135
03:34:24,079 --> 03:34:26,559
added that the fact that Jasper was running him that

4136
03:34:26,719 --> 03:34:29,319
night Thursday, and that she could probably get the number

4137
03:34:29,360 --> 03:34:32,520
of the arena from the operator. When she finally heard

4138
03:34:32,639 --> 03:34:34,879
my voice on the phone, she seemed to be relieved.

4139
03:34:35,520 --> 03:34:37,719
Her first question was to ask what I had on

4140
03:34:37,799 --> 03:34:40,479
my schedule for three weeks from that day. I told

4141
03:34:40,479 --> 03:34:46,159
her that it never varied much. Monday, Memphis, Tuesday's Louisville, Wednesday, Evansville.

4142
03:34:46,239 --> 03:34:48,920
Thursday and Friday were spots shows that could have been

4143
03:34:48,959 --> 03:34:52,280
from anywhere in a six state radius. Saturday morning was

4144
03:34:52,360 --> 03:34:56,000
Memphis TV, Saturday was Nashville or Jonesboro. Sunday was my

4145
03:34:56,079 --> 03:34:58,399
only day off. She told me the reason she called

4146
03:34:58,520 --> 03:35:01,639
was that Sid had asked her to track me down

4147
03:35:01,760 --> 03:35:03,159
to see if you would be interest if I would

4148
03:35:03,159 --> 03:35:06,200
be interested in making a move to another territory.

4149
03:35:06,360 --> 03:35:09,280
Speaker 6: Imagine that putting your wife on the on the task

4150
03:35:09,399 --> 03:35:11,079
of finding hard may.

4151
03:35:10,959 --> 03:35:13,680
Speaker 3: You get your ass out of bed? Wow? And you

4152
03:35:13,840 --> 03:35:17,840
get on the fucking horn and you find Bruno.

4153
03:35:19,319 --> 03:35:22,399
Speaker 6: I am fascinating around by Sabrina's role here.

4154
03:35:22,559 --> 03:35:29,159
Speaker 3: Fascinated Yep. No, I'm not messing around. I'm not joking. Right.

4155
03:35:30,360 --> 03:35:34,319
You see what I have to do with Frank. Frank's

4156
03:35:34,319 --> 03:35:41,520
a piece of shit. Wow. Now, don't you disappoint me, Sabrina.

4157
03:35:41,559 --> 03:35:46,879
I'm looking at you in your eyes, and I see

4158
03:35:46,959 --> 03:35:51,239
the fear. I see the fear you have for Sid,

4159
03:35:53,479 --> 03:35:58,559
and I want you to know something. That fear is

4160
03:35:58,959 --> 03:36:07,000
justified because you will not know what it is said

4161
03:36:07,040 --> 03:36:11,639
I will do to you if you don't find Bruno.

4162
03:36:17,440 --> 03:36:28,239
Find him. Wow. Yes, I I had never had any

4163
03:36:28,319 --> 03:36:30,479
desire to leave Memphis and live in Atlanta, where WW

4164
03:36:30,680 --> 03:36:32,360
was based. I had just bought some land and I

4165
03:36:32,479 --> 03:36:35,200
wanted to develop and live on it, much like what

4166
03:36:35,280 --> 03:36:37,559
do you want to develop talent as well to develop.

4167
03:36:38,879 --> 03:36:41,840
When I explained that's to Sabrina, she said, no, Sid

4168
03:36:42,000 --> 03:36:44,159
is no longer with w CW. He's about to start

4169
03:36:44,200 --> 03:36:47,319
with the WWE. He heard through the grapevine that they

4170
03:36:47,559 --> 03:36:50,159
wanted to hire a new manager. So he arranged for

4171
03:36:50,239 --> 03:36:53,760
you to get a tryout in Worcester, Massachusetts. If you're interested,

4172
03:36:54,159 --> 03:36:56,559
you need to be there in three weeks. Was I interested?

4173
03:36:56,680 --> 03:36:59,680
Holy cow, was I ever interested? Just when I thought

4174
03:36:59,680 --> 03:37:01,799
I would. He's setting up rings and selling tickets for

4175
03:37:01,920 --> 03:37:04,719
Eddie Marlin until the day of my death. I was

4176
03:37:04,799 --> 03:37:07,760
looking for the opportunity of a lifetime. I thank Suprena

4177
03:37:07,840 --> 03:37:09,440
and told her I would call sit at his home

4178
03:37:09,760 --> 03:37:13,200
in Atlanta on Sunday. I wasn't yet ready for lawler

4179
03:37:13,319 --> 03:37:16,319
Jerry Jarrett or Eddie Marlin to know, just in case

4180
03:37:16,399 --> 03:37:20,360
things didn't work out. So on Sunday I called Sid

4181
03:37:21,000 --> 03:37:23,840
from Buddy Wayne's house. Sid confirmed that he had a

4182
03:37:23,920 --> 03:37:28,520
tryout date set for me in Worcester. Pronounced Worcester, Yeah, yeah,

4183
03:37:28,639 --> 03:37:31,920
to be clear, Yeah, because you know most people would

4184
03:37:31,920 --> 03:37:33,000
say Worcester, but.

4185
03:37:33,079 --> 03:37:34,639
Speaker 6: Now we need to know what to pronounce Worcester when

4186
03:37:34,680 --> 03:37:35,920
we read the book for some reason.

4187
03:37:36,520 --> 03:37:40,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but he stressed that it was only a tryout,

4188
03:37:40,920 --> 03:37:44,600
nothing was guaranteed. I had to impress Vincickman, Pat Patterson

4189
03:37:44,639 --> 03:37:47,079
and JJ Dillon or I would return to setting up

4190
03:37:47,159 --> 03:37:50,760
rings in places like evening shade, Arkansas for the rest

4191
03:37:50,840 --> 03:37:54,399
of my life. Sid wanted me to drive to Atlanta

4192
03:37:54,479 --> 03:37:57,079
about three days before my shop and fly with him

4193
03:37:57,120 --> 03:37:59,760
to New England. I was just a Southern redneck who

4194
03:37:59,799 --> 03:38:02,079
was it used to a big territory like the WWE,

4195
03:38:02,399 --> 03:38:04,120
and he wanted to be with me so I wouldn't

4196
03:38:04,120 --> 03:38:06,920
feel awkward or nervous. After I assured said that I

4197
03:38:06,920 --> 03:38:09,120
would be there at the appointed time, I thanked him

4198
03:38:09,120 --> 03:38:12,159
and hung up. And you better be there at that

4199
03:38:12,399 --> 03:38:15,760
time that I gave you. If you're not there, Bruno,

4200
03:38:18,040 --> 03:38:19,440
there's no telling what I'll do to you.

4201
03:38:19,760 --> 03:38:24,319
Speaker 6: Yes, God, there's no telling what I'll do to you.

4202
03:38:25,959 --> 03:38:26,559
Fuck the hell.

4203
03:38:27,280 --> 03:38:33,000
Speaker 3: You've heard me in the night. You've heard me taking

4204
03:38:33,079 --> 03:38:35,319
my knife. I'm shaating it.

4205
03:38:35,719 --> 03:38:39,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's not forget his lasting impression of being on

4206
03:38:39,159 --> 03:38:39,840
the road with Sid.

4207
03:38:40,440 --> 03:38:45,040
Speaker 3: Alright, you know what I'm capable of, you know, damn well.

4208
03:38:45,200 --> 03:38:50,200
I'm not afraid to let my knife enter another human

4209
03:38:50,319 --> 03:39:00,639
body that I'm not afraid to shed the blood of

4210
03:39:00,840 --> 03:39:09,760
humanity on my white sheets. M Bruno, I will kill you.

4211
03:39:10,520 --> 03:39:14,840
Speaker 6: Oh my god. That's a direct, direct threat of murder.

4212
03:39:15,040 --> 03:39:19,559
That is an absolute crime by any any read of

4213
03:39:19,600 --> 03:39:26,559
the situation. Because he's so done trying to talk around it.

4214
03:39:26,639 --> 03:39:28,000
It just goes brutal. I will kill you.

4215
03:39:29,840 --> 03:39:33,520
Speaker 3: I will kill you. I will slit your throat if

4216
03:39:33,559 --> 03:39:36,879
you're not where I say you need to be on

4217
03:39:37,040 --> 03:39:40,319
the exact date, at the exact time, in the exact place.

4218
03:39:44,680 --> 03:39:50,399
Do you understand me? Right? Yeah, that's a good one.

4219
03:39:50,680 --> 03:39:51,120
That's good.

4220
03:39:52,920 --> 03:40:00,399
Speaker 6: Well, I like to come on all ye JP's Whippleman lapsed,

4221
03:40:00,399 --> 03:40:03,319
Tarvy lapsed, Tarvin's.

4222
03:40:05,520 --> 03:40:12,680
Speaker 3: Harvin's Whippleman. Oh yeah, I for I assured Sid that

4223
03:40:12,719 --> 03:40:14,360
I would be there at the appointed time. I thanked

4224
03:40:14,440 --> 03:40:16,120
him and hung up. I knew at that point that

4225
03:40:16,239 --> 03:40:18,280
if I could impress the people in the WWE, there

4226
03:40:18,399 --> 03:40:20,840
was a genuine chance that I would actually get a

4227
03:40:20,920 --> 03:40:24,200
starting date and a spot on the talent roster. I

4228
03:40:24,280 --> 03:40:26,639
had paid my dues, and I had learned a lot

4229
03:40:26,760 --> 03:40:30,399
during my twelve years of pounding the asphalt. I think

4230
03:40:30,399 --> 03:40:34,200
it's kind of the pavement and asphalt doesn't really pounding

4231
03:40:34,239 --> 03:40:38,280
the asphalt. I was finally being given the opportunity to

4232
03:40:38,360 --> 03:40:40,920
do something big, and I was determined that I wouldn't

4233
03:40:40,959 --> 03:40:43,680
mess up the opportunity. It's all like an offer, you pal,

4234
03:40:44,040 --> 03:40:46,639
That's right, It was an opportunity offer here pal exactly.

4235
03:40:46,920 --> 03:40:49,159
I knew I was a good manager, and I was

4236
03:40:49,239 --> 03:40:51,959
finally getting a chance to prove it. I thought it

4237
03:40:52,040 --> 03:40:54,600
was rather ironic that in twelve years of managing all

4238
03:40:54,639 --> 03:40:56,719
over the country, I never got a call from New York.

4239
03:40:57,360 --> 03:40:59,319
But after six or seven weeks of setting up the

4240
03:40:59,399 --> 03:41:03,000
ring and selling tickets, here comes the call. I left

4241
03:41:03,079 --> 03:41:07,280
French Lick and drove straight to Birmingham, Alabama. Arrived around

4242
03:41:07,280 --> 03:41:09,959
six o'clock in the morning. I checked into the same

4243
03:41:10,280 --> 03:41:13,680
hotel where Sid and I had stayed several years earlier.

4244
03:41:14,959 --> 03:41:18,079
I was so exhausted from the same one, the same one.

4245
03:41:18,200 --> 03:41:21,879
I didn't catch that that's hilarious. I was so exhausted

4246
03:41:21,920 --> 03:41:23,479
from the trip that it didn't matter where I was.

4247
03:41:23,559 --> 03:41:25,600
I just wanted to bed, to lie down on I

4248
03:41:25,639 --> 03:41:28,920
slept almost until noon, and after breakfast, I got on

4249
03:41:29,040 --> 03:41:31,760
I twenty east and headed for Atlanta. As as I drove,

4250
03:41:32,239 --> 03:41:35,399
I could say, I said a few prayers. I felt

4251
03:41:35,479 --> 03:41:37,680
I needed all the help I could get both with

4252
03:41:37,799 --> 03:41:40,879
Sid in my New England, Both with Sid and in

4253
03:41:40,959 --> 03:41:42,920
my New England trial. You know, I figured I think

4254
03:41:42,959 --> 03:41:46,000
of Harvey Whippelman, or you know Bruno as a guy

4255
03:41:46,440 --> 03:41:50,559
who it doesn't matter how many times he showers a day,

4256
03:41:51,280 --> 03:41:56,520
he still smells just wretched totally, you know, just can't

4257
03:41:56,559 --> 03:41:59,000
help it. He's just got he's got, you know, his

4258
03:41:59,200 --> 03:42:05,639
natural sense disgusting body odor. Like he could you know,

4259
03:42:05,719 --> 03:42:09,559
he could shower three times and he still smells like horseship.

4260
03:42:11,840 --> 03:42:12,159
Speaker 15: Or you know.

4261
03:42:12,440 --> 03:42:14,600
Speaker 3: He also he also still smells like he shop his pants.

4262
03:42:15,120 --> 03:42:15,280
Speaker 7: You know.

4263
03:42:22,399 --> 03:42:25,239
Speaker 6: Look, I'm not saying anything to counteract it.

4264
03:42:25,360 --> 03:42:27,360
Speaker 3: So he take take from that, like you know, he

4265
03:42:27,479 --> 03:42:29,840
just got that that set like like like as if

4266
03:42:30,360 --> 03:42:33,360
he he he took a ship and just didn't wipe

4267
03:42:33,399 --> 03:42:34,559
well enough, and so there's.

4268
03:42:34,399 --> 03:42:37,440
Speaker 6: Just like especially when he sweats in his ass.

4269
03:42:37,319 --> 03:42:43,399
Speaker 3: Crack, yeah, exactly, and the hair is just like soak in.

4270
03:42:43,559 --> 03:42:48,840
Speaker 6: The soak is not the word. I'm serious, man, I can't.

4271
03:42:53,479 --> 03:43:01,879
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I felt I needed all the help

4272
03:43:01,920 --> 03:43:03,520
I could get, both with Sid and in my knowing.

4273
03:43:04,200 --> 03:43:09,440
As I approached Hot Lanta, as Michael Hayes would call it, Okay,

4274
03:43:10,280 --> 03:43:12,479
I stopped at a rest area tot call Sid's house.

4275
03:43:12,920 --> 03:43:14,520
I had never been to Atlanta, so I had no

4276
03:43:14,600 --> 03:43:18,479
idea of how to get there. A sure, a short

4277
03:43:18,520 --> 03:43:20,799
while after getting directions, can you imagine the direction that

4278
03:43:20,879 --> 03:43:24,879
Sid gave him. You just keep driving. You've gone too far.

4279
03:43:25,479 --> 03:43:28,680
If you drop too far, you'll know it. Oh my god,

4280
03:43:29,040 --> 03:43:37,000
how would I know it? You'll know? Okay, short whiles

4281
03:43:37,000 --> 03:43:38,920
were getting director, I pulled up in front of his

4282
03:43:39,040 --> 03:43:41,840
rental house and went inside. Sid was preparing to move

4283
03:43:42,040 --> 03:43:44,239
back to the Memphis area, which was one of the

4284
03:43:44,319 --> 03:43:46,879
greatest benefits of working for the WWE. They allowed you

4285
03:43:46,959 --> 03:43:49,559
to live where you wanted to live, not like WCW,

4286
03:43:49,719 --> 03:43:52,959
who demanded that you live in the company town. Sid

4287
03:43:53,040 --> 03:43:55,440
in Sabrina took me to the Lenox Square mall in

4288
03:43:55,520 --> 03:43:58,239
the Buckhead area of Atlanta and bought me a couple

4289
03:43:58,280 --> 03:44:01,000
of nice outfits. They didn't want me to walk into

4290
03:44:01,159 --> 03:44:04,959
the ww headquarters wearing my early nineteen eighties clothing. Sid

4291
03:44:05,079 --> 03:44:07,239
also took me to the New York Suit Exchange, a

4292
03:44:07,360 --> 03:44:13,079
high end haberd Habit hashery for businessmen, and bought me

4293
03:44:13,360 --> 03:44:15,840
a sear sucker suit that he wanted me to wear

4294
03:44:15,959 --> 03:44:19,440
during my tryout. He had the tailor hammet up so

4295
03:44:19,559 --> 03:44:22,399
it appeared to be about two sizes too small for me.

4296
03:44:23,280 --> 03:44:25,120
Since my debut was within a couple of months of

4297
03:44:25,200 --> 03:44:29,280
the Peewee Herman masturbation incident. SID made sure that my

4298
03:44:29,399 --> 03:44:31,520
bowt tie and shoes were similar to those worn by

4299
03:44:31,600 --> 03:44:36,639
p Yes, I do, I do, because it was like

4300
03:44:36,760 --> 03:44:40,280
that was like the the you know, I remember that

4301
03:44:40,360 --> 03:44:42,120
being a big deal because I was a big Peewee fan,

4302
03:44:43,479 --> 03:44:47,280
you know, watching watching the show as a kid.

4303
03:44:47,559 --> 03:44:49,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so it was just kind of like, oh, man,

4304
03:44:49,879 --> 03:44:52,000
Like now he's a fucking punchline, right.

4305
03:44:52,280 --> 03:44:54,680
Speaker 3: He's still like he's a he's a fucking degenerate too.

4306
03:44:55,200 --> 03:44:55,719
Oh my god.

4307
03:44:55,920 --> 03:44:57,719
Speaker 6: Well they're fucking are so sick of losing him to

4308
03:44:57,760 --> 03:44:58,440
that kind of stuff.

4309
03:44:58,600 --> 03:44:58,760
Speaker 3: Yep.

4310
03:44:59,200 --> 03:45:02,600
Speaker 6: But I never thought of Harvey whippleman is. But it

4311
03:45:02,680 --> 03:45:04,000
makes sense now that he says that.

4312
03:45:04,559 --> 03:45:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, I mean because they do wear different outfits.

4313
03:45:07,040 --> 03:45:09,079
But the I can see that the shoes and they

4314
03:45:09,319 --> 03:45:13,159
and the bow tie totally being like that and some

4315
03:45:13,600 --> 03:45:15,639
SID paid for everything with the with the agreement that

4316
03:45:15,680 --> 03:45:17,760
I would pay him back in full when hope they

4317
03:45:17,799 --> 03:45:19,920
get hired by the w WE. If you don't get

4318
03:45:20,000 --> 03:45:24,399
him paid, if you don't get hired, I will kill you.

4319
03:45:24,959 --> 03:45:27,959
Speaker 6: Right, that's the opposite, that's the alternative.

4320
03:45:28,319 --> 03:45:32,959
Speaker 3: Because I'm not paying for your ship is a fucking

4321
03:45:33,079 --> 03:45:38,120
loan Wow, and then you're gonna loan me your life permanent.

4322
03:45:40,639 --> 03:45:41,680
Speaker 6: Take that seer? Sucker?

4323
03:45:43,559 --> 03:45:44,280
Speaker 3: Who's the sucker?

4324
03:45:44,399 --> 03:45:44,520
Speaker 9: Now?

4325
03:45:45,840 --> 03:45:48,479
Speaker 3: When the morning of our trip to New England ride

4326
03:45:48,559 --> 03:45:51,879
we got up early, ate breakfast? I get it, I

4327
03:45:51,959 --> 03:45:55,360
get it. But you ate breakfast every fucking morning. Okay,

4328
03:45:56,639 --> 03:46:01,360
every fucking story is him talking about breakfast. Jesus Christ.

4329
03:46:01,479 --> 03:46:06,479
Dude even said it. Now, you know the motelities about

4330
03:46:06,479 --> 03:46:08,239
getting breakfast driving Atlanta?

4331
03:46:08,639 --> 03:46:13,239
Speaker 6: Get it, dude, You eat breakfast every day? That was brilliant,

4332
03:46:13,440 --> 03:46:14,200
you know, So do I.

4333
03:46:16,399 --> 03:46:20,440
Speaker 3: Here be going on about it? Fucking I'm fucking you know, talking,

4334
03:46:20,520 --> 03:46:22,360
you know, writing it down somewhere and saying, hey, I

4335
03:46:23,559 --> 03:46:24,840
wouldn't hear me talking about it?

4336
03:46:25,479 --> 03:46:25,680
Speaker 11: Yeah?

4337
03:46:25,760 --> 03:46:28,959
Speaker 3: I guess what. I ate breakfast again this morning, keeping

4338
03:46:29,000 --> 03:46:32,840
that record alive. Every day so far forty three years,

4339
03:46:33,520 --> 03:46:40,440
and every day I capt fucking breakfast. I went to

4340
03:46:40,559 --> 03:46:43,319
the Hartsfield Atlanta International Airport. I don't need the whole

4341
03:46:43,360 --> 03:46:46,319
fucking name either, I get it.

4342
03:46:46,399 --> 03:46:49,159
Speaker 6: You went to the airport wrestlers and their fucking landmarks.

4343
03:46:49,200 --> 03:46:49,360
Speaker 7: I know.

4344
03:46:50,159 --> 03:46:53,440
Speaker 3: Our flight was uneventful and we landed as scheduled in Boston,

4345
03:46:54,200 --> 03:46:56,760
which from which we made the short drive to Wooster.

4346
03:46:58,639 --> 03:46:59,959
I mean, I guess, I guess for them it would

4347
03:47:00,040 --> 03:47:01,559
be like short. I'm say it's not short.

4348
03:47:01,840 --> 03:47:02,879
Speaker 6: Don't feel short to me.

4349
03:47:03,760 --> 03:47:06,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's like it's like it's like forty

4350
03:47:06,799 --> 03:47:09,360
five minutes. Some of that could be longer. Yeah, I

4351
03:47:09,399 --> 03:47:11,120
think it's like forty five minutes to an hour, isn't it.

4352
03:47:11,399 --> 03:47:13,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know you hit rush hour two hours.

4353
03:47:14,000 --> 03:47:18,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. If you're walking, it takes like, well, yeah exactly.

4354
03:47:18,159 --> 03:47:21,440
Speaker 6: He's not considering how long it takes to walk from

4355
03:47:21,479 --> 03:47:24,280
the airport to the satellite city.

4356
03:47:24,280 --> 03:47:28,000
Speaker 3: Whale and Mercy, You're walking everywhere with your long strides.

4357
03:47:31,680 --> 03:47:35,959
Speaker 6: Whaling Mercy sounds like a Boston law firm. W h

4358
03:47:36,040 --> 03:47:40,040
e l A Whaling Mercy and the associates, Billy Whalen.

4359
03:47:40,319 --> 03:47:41,600
How would high school Billy.

4360
03:47:42,920 --> 03:47:56,399
Speaker 3: Billy wayama. When we arrived at the Worcester Centrum Center,

4361
03:47:56,520 --> 03:48:00,879
the arena, I saw wrestlers everywhere. I was happy to

4362
03:48:00,920 --> 03:48:02,840
see some of the guys that I hadn't seen in years.

4363
03:48:02,920 --> 03:48:06,319
That's crazy, the guys that I hadn't seen. Okay, it's

4364
03:48:06,399 --> 03:48:08,719
crazy that he saw wrestlers everywhere at the wrestling show,

4365
03:48:08,760 --> 03:48:12,159
and it's fucking blowing my mind. I can't believe us

4366
03:48:12,200 --> 03:48:17,399
all wrestlers right as they came around, guys I'd seen before,

4367
03:48:23,360 --> 03:48:26,360
such as the Bushwhackers, tug Boat, Fred Otman, Jimmy Hart,

4368
03:48:26,440 --> 03:48:30,719
Jimmy Snook, and Marty Jeannetti. I guess ye he was.

4369
03:48:31,120 --> 03:48:34,079
The familiarity with those guys helped ease the tension I

4370
03:48:34,120 --> 03:48:36,639
felt at being in a new environment. I was so

4371
03:48:36,840 --> 03:48:39,479
pleased to meet a lot of guys whose paths I

4372
03:48:39,559 --> 03:48:44,360
had never crossed. One of the first WW executives I

4373
03:48:44,479 --> 03:48:47,280
met that day was Pat Patterson. I've spoken to Pat

4374
03:48:47,319 --> 03:48:49,120
many times over the years as I tried to work

4375
03:48:49,200 --> 03:48:51,479
my way into the company, but that was the first

4376
03:48:51,520 --> 03:48:54,760
time we had actually met in person. Pat was very

4377
03:48:54,840 --> 03:48:57,319
friendly and easy going, and he made me feel right

4378
03:48:57,399 --> 03:49:00,879
at home. Pat was and is a great guy, and

4379
03:49:00,959 --> 03:49:03,959
to this day we share a great friendship. He is

4380
03:49:04,040 --> 03:49:06,280
also a tremendous businessman who has a real gift for

4381
03:49:06,360 --> 03:49:09,239
understanding the psychology of our business. So how does that

4382
03:49:09,280 --> 03:49:12,120
make him a tremendous businessman if he has a real

4383
03:49:12,120 --> 03:49:14,559
gift for understanding the psychology of our business? He's a

4384
03:49:14,600 --> 03:49:21,079
fucking horrible writer. His sentences structure is awful. He's in

4385
03:49:21,120 --> 03:49:24,399
the same words, multiple times in the same sentence, it's awful.

4386
03:49:26,479 --> 03:49:30,600
As the day went along, I met many other executives, executives, bosses,

4387
03:49:30,639 --> 03:49:38,959
and agents. Hogan, however, walked right over to me and

4388
03:49:39,079 --> 03:49:42,559
extended his hand. To my surprise, he said, Hey, Downtown Bruno,

4389
03:49:43,280 --> 03:49:46,520
I'll watched you give the King hell in Memphis for

4390
03:49:46,559 --> 03:49:48,799
a long time. I guess it's my turn now.

4391
03:49:48,920 --> 03:49:49,079
Speaker 21: Huh.

4392
03:49:49,959 --> 03:49:52,360
Speaker 3: That simple comment made me feel like a million dollars.

4393
03:49:53,120 --> 03:49:55,079
Here was the number one guy in the in the

4394
03:49:55,239 --> 03:49:57,360
entire wrestling business, and not only did he know who

4395
03:49:57,440 --> 03:49:59,479
I was, but he took the time to make me

4396
03:49:59,520 --> 03:50:03,159
feel well come in his world. Hogan won. Hogan was

4397
03:50:03,440 --> 03:50:07,840
and is a true class act, and he will always

4398
03:50:08,000 --> 03:50:12,760
have my respect and admiration. When Beefcake saw Hogan speak

4399
03:50:12,799 --> 03:50:14,840
to me, he suddenly managed to find the time to

4400
03:50:14,879 --> 03:50:22,840
shake my hand. Jesus Christ, what a transparent, self absorbed asshole, Beefcake.

4401
03:50:24,639 --> 03:50:31,559
Nobody ever respected you, and nobody ever will.

4402
03:50:32,200 --> 03:50:34,760
Speaker 6: Downtown Bruno's book, I.

4403
03:50:34,799 --> 03:50:39,000
Speaker 3: Hope you realize that you can only get you can

4404
03:50:39,079 --> 03:50:42,719
go only you can only get so far by riding

4405
03:50:42,840 --> 03:50:46,600
somebody else's coattail, and sooner or later you have to

4406
03:50:46,680 --> 03:50:49,559
make your own way. You know it's saying you like,

4407
03:50:49,639 --> 03:50:52,559
he's not even talking about him. He's like directly attacking

4408
03:50:52,639 --> 03:50:59,120
him totally. You never did and you never will. Finally,

4409
03:50:59,159 --> 03:51:01,200
about six o'clock in the evening, I was brought to

4410
03:51:01,920 --> 03:51:05,600
brought in to meet the quote Emperor. I was petrified,

4411
03:51:05,639 --> 03:51:07,440
but I soon but I found out in short order

4412
03:51:07,559 --> 03:51:10,479
that there was no reason at all to feel that way.

4413
03:51:11,200 --> 03:51:15,360
Vince seemed genuinely happy to see me. Unlike a marginally

4414
03:51:15,440 --> 03:51:21,840
successful dog turd like beefcake shit, a truly successful individual

4415
03:51:23,000 --> 03:51:30,200
like Vince doesn't put on airs. Vince was genuine and

4416
03:51:30,319 --> 03:51:32,840
real man, that's what you thought. That was my first

4417
03:51:32,879 --> 03:51:35,639
impression of him, and today, eighteen years later, I have

4418
03:51:36,239 --> 03:51:41,040
the exact same impression of him. Vince was and is

4419
03:51:41,959 --> 03:51:45,159
a great guy. He really made me feel as though

4420
03:51:45,200 --> 03:51:48,079
I was doing him a favor by being there. He

4421
03:51:48,239 --> 03:51:50,120
thanked me for coming to Worcester and probably told me

4422
03:51:50,239 --> 03:51:52,639
that what he wanted to see in my tryout to

4423
03:51:52,719 --> 03:51:55,840
sum it up. He loved my deep, rough, semi redneck

4424
03:51:56,079 --> 03:51:59,280
Mississippi accent. He wanted me to be the toughest, meanest

4425
03:51:59,319 --> 03:52:01,840
little bastard on the face of the earth. He wanted

4426
03:52:01,879 --> 03:52:04,520
me to act like I was ten feet tall and bulletproof.

4427
03:52:05,760 --> 03:52:09,239
In Worcester, I had been introduced to as Downtown Bruno,

4428
03:52:09,879 --> 03:52:12,079
but on the following night in Portland, Vince told Jean

4429
03:52:12,159 --> 03:52:14,559
to come up with a different name. He wanted something

4430
03:52:14,680 --> 03:52:17,680
catchy and unusual. Bruno is my real name, and I

4431
03:52:17,719 --> 03:52:19,920
had been Downtown Bruno for most of my career, but

4432
03:52:20,280 --> 03:52:21,959
I was willing to be called anything if it got

4433
03:52:22,000 --> 03:52:27,479
me a starting date. When Gene announced me as Harvey Herman, Yes,

4434
03:52:27,719 --> 03:52:34,440
Harvey Herman, Harvey Herman, I went right, Oh, skip ahead,

4435
03:52:34,799 --> 03:52:38,120
Oh well, I wanted to know. Later that evening they

4436
03:52:38,280 --> 03:52:40,840
had to make some adjustments of cameras and lights, so

4437
03:52:40,920 --> 03:52:42,440
there was going to be a ten minute gap of

4438
03:52:42,520 --> 03:52:45,120
dead air time. I was told they would normally throw

4439
03:52:45,200 --> 03:52:47,000
a dark match into the ring to keep the audience

4440
03:52:47,000 --> 03:52:50,200
from getting restless. They actually had two jobbers standing at

4441
03:52:50,239 --> 03:52:52,159
the gorilla position ready to go into the ring to

4442
03:52:52,239 --> 03:52:54,719
kill time, and Vince said, no, no, send Harvey out there,

4443
03:52:55,639 --> 03:52:58,520
do a little ad libbing, hit the ring, take the

4444
03:52:58,600 --> 03:53:01,440
microphone away from Howard Friinkle, let him see how let's

4445
03:53:01,440 --> 03:53:03,879
see how much heat you can get. We'll cue you

4446
03:53:03,879 --> 03:53:06,680
when it's time to come back. As I was about

4447
03:53:06,719 --> 03:53:11,079
to walk through the curtain. Vince, stop me, Harvey have

4448
03:53:11,159 --> 03:53:15,639
a last name, he asked aloud to nobody in particular Herman.

4449
03:53:17,040 --> 03:53:23,040
Herman replied, Carla montsou No, no, no, that's too closely

4450
03:53:23,159 --> 03:53:25,959
to pee wee Herman. What else can we come up with?

4451
03:53:27,600 --> 03:53:33,159
How about Winny Winnie? Winny? Oh Whipple? Sorry it looked

4452
03:53:33,200 --> 03:53:37,280
like Winnie. I had to scroll down. How about Whinny Whipple,

4453
03:53:39,520 --> 03:53:43,280
asked Gene Oakland, said Vince, and the newly born Harvey

4454
03:53:43,360 --> 03:53:48,120
Whipple went out to cut a promo. When I asked

4455
03:53:48,159 --> 03:53:50,799
Pat who I would be managing, he told me that

4456
03:53:50,840 --> 03:53:54,040
I would be with a guy named big Bully Busick.

4457
03:53:55,479 --> 03:53:58,680
Whippleman came from a misstatement by Gene Oakland, and the

4458
03:53:59,040 --> 03:54:02,360
name stuck. My new charge to manage was the Warlord

4459
03:54:02,440 --> 03:54:05,319
Terry Sapinski, who up to that time had been managed

4460
03:54:05,319 --> 03:54:05,840
by Slick.

4461
03:54:06,200 --> 03:54:09,239
Speaker 6: Now quickly on Busick. You remember him, of course, right, yeah, yeah,

4462
03:54:09,520 --> 03:54:12,280
short lived run. He was a friend of SIDS and

4463
03:54:12,360 --> 03:54:14,920
a workout partner of SIDS and somebody else that Sid

4464
03:54:15,000 --> 03:54:17,159
got into the company. But that kind of fell apart.

4465
03:54:17,319 --> 03:54:20,239
Abusic kind of drinking problem, first of all, and he

4466
03:54:20,559 --> 03:54:22,920
blew it when he was sent to the ring to

4467
03:54:23,000 --> 03:54:24,719
do his usual thing where he would go up to

4468
03:54:24,719 --> 03:54:26,959
the kid, the planted kid in the audience and pop

4469
03:54:27,040 --> 03:54:28,280
their balloon with his cigar.

4470
03:54:29,360 --> 03:54:29,559
Speaker 3: Yep.

4471
03:54:29,639 --> 03:54:30,959
Speaker 6: But he went to the rink one night on a

4472
03:54:31,000 --> 03:54:34,799
television taping and totally forgot to do that. And that

4473
03:54:34,959 --> 03:54:36,559
was the end of Big Bully Busic in the world.

4474
03:54:36,920 --> 03:54:37,440
Speaker 3: That's all it took.

4475
03:54:38,079 --> 03:54:39,520
Speaker 6: It's now brunos without a charge.

4476
03:54:41,799 --> 03:54:49,879
Speaker 3: Yes he is umm oh to my delight, I moved

4477
03:54:49,920 --> 03:54:52,600
up to the next level, as they say, on January

4478
03:54:52,639 --> 03:54:55,760
twenty second, nineteen ninety two, at the TV in Lubbock,

4479
03:54:55,840 --> 03:54:59,159
Texas lo and behold the new top heel in the WWE.

4480
03:54:59,719 --> 03:55:03,760
Justice as SID was called at that time, had successfully

4481
03:55:04,000 --> 03:55:06,760
lobbied Vince to let me be as manager. For all

4482
03:55:06,760 --> 03:55:09,559
intents and purposes, I was as high up the food

4483
03:55:09,680 --> 03:55:12,600
chain as a heel manager could get. I went out

4484
03:55:12,639 --> 03:55:14,600
on the road every day, and I was finally making

4485
03:55:14,719 --> 03:55:19,280
quote road money. Unfortunately, everything didn't work out as well

4486
03:55:19,319 --> 03:55:21,319
as it should have. Sid and I were not in

4487
03:55:21,360 --> 03:55:23,399
the same type of situation as we had been years

4488
03:55:23,440 --> 03:55:26,040
before in the CWF, and our friendship suffered a lot

4489
03:55:26,120 --> 03:55:29,479
due to that. It wasn't as an easy time for

4490
03:55:29,600 --> 03:55:33,520
me at all. The money was great and the spotlight

4491
03:55:33,680 --> 03:55:36,559
was hot, but the stress was almost unbearable. Let's go.

4492
03:55:37,200 --> 03:55:39,120
Sid and I have always been close, and today, as

4493
03:55:39,159 --> 03:55:41,040
I write this, we are closer than ever. But during

4494
03:55:41,360 --> 03:55:46,159
the period in which I managed him, we really fell apart. Ultimately,

4495
03:55:46,239 --> 03:55:48,520
our friendship came to an end for more than two years.

4496
03:55:48,639 --> 03:55:51,000
It was sad. Sid was on top of the world,

4497
03:55:51,040 --> 03:55:53,280
and he gets all the credit for pulling me right

4498
03:55:53,399 --> 03:55:56,520
up beside him. But it was an ugly situation because

4499
03:55:56,559 --> 03:55:59,920
for some reason Sid was in a very angry mood

4500
03:56:00,000 --> 03:56:03,920
food for his entire push, and I had to bear

4501
03:56:04,120 --> 03:56:05,479
the brunt of his rage.

4502
03:56:05,639 --> 03:56:09,760
Speaker 6: Can imagine what would cause him to be in such

4503
03:56:09,760 --> 03:56:12,399
a bad mood as WWF crackdown.

4504
03:56:13,680 --> 03:56:16,959
Speaker 3: On certain substances. It wasn't easy and it wasn't worth it.

4505
03:56:17,040 --> 03:56:21,559
No matter what I was being paid. Sid literally put

4506
03:56:21,639 --> 03:56:24,159
me through hell. He would make me get up at

4507
03:56:24,200 --> 03:56:26,120
six o'clock in the morning to go to the gym

4508
03:56:26,239 --> 03:56:29,639
with him, where I would sit and sit and sit.

4509
03:56:29,879 --> 03:56:30,040
Speaker 1: Oh.

4510
03:56:30,920 --> 03:56:33,280
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have minded so much if Sid didn't constantly

4511
03:56:33,360 --> 03:56:36,120
tell me how I embarrassed him with my way of dressing,

4512
03:56:36,600 --> 03:56:40,440
my accent, my way of conducting myself, et cetera. Big

4513
03:56:40,559 --> 03:56:42,680
Sid cut me down for everything I did at the ring,

4514
03:56:43,680 --> 03:56:46,639
everything I said in the dressing room, and every time

4515
03:56:46,719 --> 03:56:50,479
I sneezed. It was like the old CWF days, magnified

4516
03:56:50,520 --> 03:56:53,159
by fifty. He was really rough on me. On the

4517
03:56:53,239 --> 03:56:56,000
other hand, Sid was rough on himself. He got angrier

4518
03:56:56,079 --> 03:56:58,959
and angrier with every day that went by. It was

4519
03:56:59,000 --> 03:57:01,319
as if he was mad at the world. I didn't

4520
03:57:01,399 --> 03:57:04,040
understand it. He was getting the push of his life.

4521
03:57:07,079 --> 03:57:10,239
They were grooming him to be Hulk Hogan's opponent in

4522
03:57:10,319 --> 03:57:14,120
the main event WrestleMania eight. He was making tremendous money,

4523
03:57:14,120 --> 03:57:17,959
and yet for some inexplicable reason, he wasn't happy. Imagine

4524
03:57:18,319 --> 03:57:20,440
and if you're part of Sid's life, when Sid is

4525
03:57:20,520 --> 03:57:23,479
not happy, nobody's happy.

4526
03:57:23,600 --> 03:57:26,719
Speaker 6: Let's fucking get it all right. Let's speak that truth.

4527
03:57:28,680 --> 03:57:29,639
Let's speak that truth.

4528
03:57:30,600 --> 03:57:31,000
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

4529
03:57:32,680 --> 03:57:36,600
Speaker 6: Harvey Whippleman, Harvin's is here.

4530
03:57:41,200 --> 03:57:46,680
Speaker 3: We know who that is, and we know who this is.

4531
03:57:46,879 --> 03:57:47,799
Speaker 8: Harvey Whippleman.

4532
03:57:56,559 --> 03:58:09,440
Speaker 3: Know that man at a man, not wrong, not bad.

4533
03:58:12,319 --> 03:58:16,879
Speaker 6: That justice rules the world, and he love you, idiot.

4534
03:58:17,120 --> 03:58:17,680
Speaker 3: Not a war.

4535
03:58:19,639 --> 03:58:20,840
Speaker 8: He is a big man.

4536
03:58:20,959 --> 03:58:22,840
Speaker 13: McManus.

4537
03:58:24,840 --> 03:58:31,879
Speaker 11: You're gonna let a hordle hoop it up if you would, hey, if.

4538
03:58:31,760 --> 03:58:34,719
Speaker 7: You loize, If he's quiet a second, I'll have.

4539
03:58:34,959 --> 03:58:46,079
Speaker 3: Something to say, don't say it and they are Hello, Yes,

4540
03:58:48,159 --> 03:58:51,600
there's a little such crater sec letter the other day.

4541
03:58:52,600 --> 03:58:58,079
What oh did this the other day? And it really

4542
03:58:58,079 --> 03:58:59,440
breaks my heart's sad.

4543
03:59:00,600 --> 03:59:03,600
Speaker 7: I've been a hole, Tonio said.

4544
03:59:03,680 --> 03:59:05,280
Speaker 8: Todd goes on to win.

4545
03:59:06,559 --> 03:59:07,680
Speaker 3: Me and my friends.

4546
03:59:09,280 --> 03:59:10,719
Speaker 2: They want to know, wa.

4547
03:59:11,959 --> 03:59:14,520
Speaker 3: I turned my back on a hole Kking.

4548
03:59:17,600 --> 03:59:20,319
Speaker 7: Anyone understands he because they're stupid too.

4549
03:59:22,840 --> 03:59:25,959
Speaker 3: How can you destroy food?

4550
03:59:26,079 --> 03:59:31,559
Speaker 7: Is the barber beefcake? And destroy the barber shot when

4551
03:59:31,639 --> 03:59:33,120
you know you were going to hit him in the

4552
03:59:33,239 --> 03:59:35,479
States and the States was already hurt.

4553
03:59:38,079 --> 03:59:42,399
Speaker 8: As the the chid themis a t D.

4554
03:59:44,440 --> 03:59:46,719
Speaker 6: And as you can't be a friend.

4555
03:59:48,040 --> 03:59:58,040
Speaker 13: To the Holster, you can't read my friend either. We'll

4556
03:59:58,120 --> 03:59:58,840
see as well.

4557
03:59:59,040 --> 04:00:04,760
Speaker 7: Simple if you're a friend of whole co again, you're

4558
04:00:04,920 --> 04:00:06,200
no friend of mine.

4559
04:00:08,559 --> 04:00:10,559
Speaker 2: I don't know if this guy has any friends at all.

4560
04:00:13,200 --> 04:00:16,840
Stick around it's a la fan wrestling podcast.

4561
04:00:30,200 --> 04:00:34,120
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnio

4562
04:00:34,520 --> 04:00:35,520
and Jo.

4563
04:00:37,360 --> 04:00:39,040
Speaker 6: I mean, we can't let this go and remark that

4564
04:00:39,239 --> 04:00:42,360
music oh music's fantastic. What's great about it.

4565
04:00:43,319 --> 04:00:46,479
Speaker 3: It's got a driving beat, you know, it's very heavy.

4566
04:01:08,719 --> 04:01:09,280
It's awesome.

4567
04:01:09,719 --> 04:01:13,040
Speaker 6: It's like one of the best themes they've ever done. Yeah, certainly,

4568
04:01:13,239 --> 04:01:15,760
certainly of that era too, without a doubt. We'll play

4569
04:01:15,799 --> 04:01:16,959
it when he comes out of wrestling in the eight

4570
04:01:17,040 --> 04:01:21,520
Holy shit. Oh yeah, it's like here comes fucking an

4571
04:01:21,559 --> 04:01:23,879
android from the from the nether world here and he's

4572
04:01:23,920 --> 04:01:26,840
stomping and he's gonna kill somebody. Yep, you heard the

4573
04:01:26,920 --> 04:01:30,399
references to the British Beefcake segment. You know, certainly Sid

4574
04:01:30,520 --> 04:01:33,440
with no lack of unflattering words, much like a Bruno

4575
04:01:33,559 --> 04:01:35,719
and the book there for Beefcake and it's a shoot.

4576
04:01:35,760 --> 04:01:38,799
Interviews definitely saw a Beefcakes just a shit stir and

4577
04:01:38,840 --> 04:01:41,239
someone who had his nose up Hogan's ass. We'll turn

4578
04:01:41,280 --> 04:01:44,000
a Beefcakes book quickly to talk about that moment. Another

4579
04:01:44,120 --> 04:01:46,079
fucking classic Sid thing where he ends up with the

4580
04:01:46,159 --> 04:01:49,200
shaving cream all over his face like a moron. You know,

4581
04:01:49,280 --> 04:01:51,159
he somehow ends up looking like a fool from when

4582
04:01:51,200 --> 04:01:55,000
he's trying to be at his most intimidating. The final

4583
04:01:55,079 --> 04:01:57,360
barbershop segment took place. Yeah, Let's not forget by the way,

4584
04:01:57,639 --> 04:01:59,600
Sid tearing apart the barber shop is because they were

4585
04:01:59,639 --> 04:02:02,559
done with the segment yep, and at the end didn't

4586
04:02:02,600 --> 04:02:05,440
have a problem destroying the set. The final barbershop segment

4587
04:02:05,479 --> 04:02:08,000
took place in February nineteen ninety two. The newly turned

4588
04:02:08,040 --> 04:02:10,280
Heels said Justice attacked me and destroyed the set, building

4589
04:02:10,319 --> 04:02:12,959
heat for his feud with Hulcog and Sid was horribly

4590
04:02:13,040 --> 04:02:15,399
embarrassing on that last barber shop. So this is a

4591
04:02:15,639 --> 04:02:18,639
mutual feelings here between. I was supposed to cower away

4592
04:02:18,639 --> 04:02:20,559
from him, and he went nuts. The producer said, don't

4593
04:02:20,639 --> 04:02:22,200
challenge him. We want him to look like a monster.

4594
04:02:22,479 --> 04:02:23,959
The thing about it was he was looking like a

4595
04:02:24,040 --> 04:02:27,920
monster at my expense. Yeah, because you don't have an expense, Burtist, right, exactly.

4596
04:02:27,920 --> 04:02:30,079
No one gives a fun I mean, listen, your expense

4597
04:02:30,159 --> 04:02:32,239
is your face. Burtist thinks he's gonna get over. No,

4598
04:02:32,959 --> 04:02:35,280
in this case, I wasn't just helping to get him

4599
04:02:35,280 --> 04:02:37,000
over for his upcoming match with Hulkstra. I was pretty

4600
04:02:37,079 --> 04:02:38,959
much just jobbing out. Believe me, if I could have

4601
04:02:39,079 --> 04:02:40,920
changed something, I would I would have. If I had

4602
04:02:40,920 --> 04:02:42,440
tried to look good, I would have lost my job.

4603
04:02:42,639 --> 04:02:45,399
Maybe I should have. My contract was up anyhow, And

4604
04:02:45,520 --> 04:02:47,399
the whole point to destroying the set was because they

4605
04:02:47,479 --> 04:02:49,120
knew I was off to do a movie soon. This

4606
04:02:49,280 --> 04:02:51,680
is how they wrote me off of television. That must

4607
04:02:51,680 --> 04:02:51,879
have been.

4608
04:02:52,120 --> 04:02:56,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, quote unquote movie it's Thundering Paradise, right, No,

4609
04:02:56,479 --> 04:02:58,200
it's it's.

4610
04:03:00,760 --> 04:03:00,799
Speaker 7: That.

4611
04:03:01,120 --> 04:03:03,879
Speaker 6: That's not mister Nanny. He's in that movie is the Zodiac.

4612
04:03:04,200 --> 04:03:06,920
Speaker 3: He's the Zodiac before he's the Zodiac. But like I mean,

4613
04:03:08,159 --> 04:03:10,040
I mean, I guess because Hogan's in the movie, you're

4614
04:03:10,079 --> 04:03:11,840
gonna be gone and you're going to be his stunt

4615
04:03:11,920 --> 04:03:14,799
pitch and whatever. But like, you're not really in the movie, right,

4616
04:03:16,399 --> 04:03:17,559
I mean, you're just getting paid.

4617
04:03:17,559 --> 04:03:19,639
Speaker 6: You're not going away to have a movie career exactly.

4618
04:03:19,680 --> 04:03:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going You're getting paid to just you know,

4619
04:03:23,639 --> 04:03:26,719
lick Hogan's balls. I don't hold anything really against it.

4620
04:03:26,840 --> 04:03:28,280
Of course, he was just doing his job. I just

4621
04:03:28,319 --> 04:03:30,520
think it was a little bigger than it needed to be.

4622
04:03:30,879 --> 04:03:32,399
After this, I took off about a year or so.

4623
04:03:32,559 --> 04:03:34,520
That is when we went to film. Like you said, there,

4624
04:03:34,920 --> 04:03:38,799
mister Nanny. So that is a beefcake's position and all

4625
04:03:38,840 --> 04:03:41,479
this another victim along the way in the campaign to

4626
04:03:41,520 --> 04:03:45,159
set up SID for WrestleMania against Hogan was Virgil. Of course,

4627
04:03:45,239 --> 04:03:47,479
we talked about this during our Virgil tribute show and

4628
04:03:48,520 --> 04:03:51,120
how impactful it was to us as young viewers to

4629
04:03:51,239 --> 04:03:54,639
watch SID, you know, expose the metal buckling smash Virgil's

4630
04:03:54,639 --> 04:03:55,920
face into it to where he had to wear a

4631
04:03:56,040 --> 04:03:59,840
nose you know, a face mask thing whatever you call

4632
04:03:59,879 --> 04:04:04,479
the those things brace basically, yeah, like the face protector on.

4633
04:04:04,600 --> 04:04:08,840
Speaker 6: His face for weeks. And you know, perhaps even more interestingly,

4634
04:04:08,920 --> 04:04:12,479
in the Hannibal shoot interview he did, you know, he

4635
04:04:12,639 --> 04:04:16,239
was asked about people that he's run across in the business.

4636
04:04:16,520 --> 04:04:19,280
SID was and they mentioned Lenny Poffo, who of course

4637
04:04:19,440 --> 04:04:22,239
was there with Randy when he introduced him into the business.

4638
04:04:22,479 --> 04:04:25,799
And then Virgil comes up as well for reasons that well,

4639
04:04:25,799 --> 04:04:27,559
I'm not going to give you time to connect the dots.

4640
04:04:27,559 --> 04:04:28,280
Speaker 3: I just have to listen.

4641
04:04:28,719 --> 04:04:31,200
Speaker 24: Well, you know, Devin, all the stories are all going

4642
04:04:31,280 --> 04:04:33,639
to come back to one story, and that's him able

4643
04:04:33,719 --> 04:04:35,239
to perform moreal sex on myself.

4644
04:04:35,600 --> 04:04:38,399
Speaker 11: I honestly say I never saw it. I did see

4645
04:04:39,159 --> 04:04:42,920
Virgil do that one time. He actually virtual got fired

4646
04:04:43,000 --> 04:04:44,360
for doing that. He was doing.

4647
04:04:44,760 --> 04:04:47,479
Speaker 24: He was worked in Memphis Territory, and he did it

4648
04:04:47,520 --> 04:04:49,719
in front of Jerry Jarrett and they fired him right away.

4649
04:04:50,280 --> 04:04:53,239
Speaker 11: So that doesn't always help you out. Speaking of Jerry

4650
04:04:53,399 --> 04:04:55,319
Jerry and what did you take of him.

4651
04:04:55,360 --> 04:04:56,440
Speaker 6: Doesn't always help you, Bob.

4652
04:04:58,239 --> 04:05:01,239
Speaker 3: I mean it should. Honestly, you know, if you can

4653
04:05:01,280 --> 04:05:04,639
blow yourself, you should, Uh you know, I should, you

4654
04:05:04,680 --> 04:05:08,239
should be your gimmick, talk about doing the job. I

4655
04:05:08,319 --> 04:05:11,239
mean the way Sid tells that story is also so Sid.

4656
04:05:11,319 --> 04:05:13,200
You know, yeah, well you know he, you know, a

4657
04:05:13,280 --> 04:05:15,600
performer sex on himself and he laughs a little bit

4658
04:05:15,600 --> 04:05:18,520
at the end. Yeah, he delivers a matter of fact

4659
04:05:18,600 --> 04:05:23,760
like yeah, with the same intonation. It's like, you know,

4660
04:05:23,920 --> 04:05:28,600
this is the thing that really happens, and you know exactly.

4661
04:05:29,879 --> 04:05:30,840
He's so weird.

4662
04:05:30,920 --> 04:05:32,079
Speaker 6: He's such a weird guy.

4663
04:05:32,520 --> 04:05:35,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a fucking he is weird. Weird is is

4664
04:05:36,799 --> 04:05:41,920
you know? Uh you know, I don't I don't, I don't.

4665
04:05:42,799 --> 04:05:46,280
I don't generally generally like that word, because you know,

4666
04:05:46,440 --> 04:05:51,360
we're all weird. But he's fucking weird. Man, He's a

4667
04:05:51,479 --> 04:05:52,520
bizarre individual.

4668
04:05:52,680 --> 04:05:55,799
Speaker 6: It's fine, it's fine. Stop falling for the gimmick.

4669
04:05:55,879 --> 04:05:58,879
Speaker 3: I watch him, I watch him get see. I didn't see.

4670
04:05:58,920 --> 04:06:01,600
I didn't see Brutus give himself oral sex, but I

4671
04:06:01,680 --> 04:06:02,680
did see Virgil do it.

4672
04:06:03,639 --> 04:06:04,559
Speaker 6: He said about Lannie.

4673
04:06:05,399 --> 04:06:11,399
Speaker 3: I've seen virgiline, so I've seen. I'm seeing Virgil blow himself.

4674
04:06:14,040 --> 04:06:16,360
The fuck's happening. And you know, here's the thing.

4675
04:06:16,520 --> 04:06:19,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, Jerry Jarrett did get mad about it. But you know,

4676
04:06:20,040 --> 04:06:21,799
it's one thing to just do it to show the

4677
04:06:21,879 --> 04:06:23,920
boys you can do it as a party trick, you know, haha,

4678
04:06:24,000 --> 04:06:26,079
we have a good laugh. But why did Virgil have

4679
04:06:26,120 --> 04:06:27,239
to keep going until he came?

4680
04:06:29,399 --> 04:06:32,600
Speaker 3: I want to tell you something. I saw Virgil go

4681
04:06:32,760 --> 04:06:36,239
at it, and I saw him blows in his mouth

4682
04:06:40,280 --> 04:06:46,600
go at it. So it's all fine, is what we're

4683
04:06:46,719 --> 04:06:50,799
trying to behavior. It's the way people should act, honestly.

4684
04:06:50,920 --> 04:06:52,120
If you can, you should show it.

4685
04:06:53,040 --> 04:06:56,399
Speaker 6: So, you know, I say, what's what's left unspoken here?

4686
04:06:56,440 --> 04:06:58,840
What what might be a fat X factor that Bruno

4687
04:06:58,959 --> 04:07:00,879
is kind of intimating there that it would change Sid's

4688
04:07:00,879 --> 04:07:03,360
moods so much, Well, let's not forget that. In November

4689
04:07:03,360 --> 04:07:06,479
of nineteen ninety one, according to the Observer, Vince McMahon

4690
04:07:06,520 --> 04:07:08,520
told Dave Meltzer that forty nine percent of the roster

4691
04:07:08,719 --> 04:07:12,959
failed the initial round of steroid tests that were administered.

4692
04:07:13,000 --> 04:07:17,120
CRUGT tests for illicited substances are steroids, and you know,

4693
04:07:18,079 --> 04:07:20,559
color me a cynic, but you can't just as well

4694
04:07:20,920 --> 04:07:24,520
send everybody home is set half your roster home when

4695
04:07:24,680 --> 04:07:27,200
they come back with shit in their system. So you

4696
04:07:27,520 --> 04:07:31,200
perhaps then develop this get out of jail free card

4697
04:07:31,239 --> 04:07:33,879
where everyone just has to show decreasing levels and that's

4698
04:07:33,879 --> 04:07:36,280
fair to everybody. I'm not saying it's unfair of a system,

4699
04:07:36,360 --> 04:07:38,399
but I don't know. If that number was twenty five percent,

4700
04:07:38,440 --> 04:07:40,799
maybe he would have made examples out of people right

4701
04:07:40,879 --> 04:07:44,360
away instead of waiting. Well, you know, you could also

4702
04:07:44,440 --> 04:07:46,760
petition them, as you can always do in any drug

4703
04:07:46,799 --> 04:07:49,440
testing program, to say, hey, the stuff I'm taking, even

4704
04:07:49,440 --> 04:07:51,719
though it's kind of against policy, I have a doctor's note,

4705
04:07:51,799 --> 04:07:54,520
right boss, that's right, of course, and you know what

4706
04:07:54,559 --> 04:07:56,440
I'm taking. I'm disclosing to you what I'm taking. And

4707
04:07:56,520 --> 04:08:00,399
I think sid really thought that if he, if he

4708
04:08:00,520 --> 04:08:02,600
was forthright in disclosing things, that he was going to

4709
04:08:02,639 --> 04:08:05,840
be allowed through I'm sure gimmick doctors and stuff to

4710
04:08:05,959 --> 04:08:09,040
keep gearing up. Perhaps it's perhaps it's a little wink

4711
04:08:09,120 --> 04:08:11,680
wink and a nudge nudge that when Harvey Whippleman comes

4712
04:08:11,719 --> 04:08:13,639
into ninety two to manage him, he's a doctor with

4713
04:08:13,719 --> 04:08:15,239
a doctor's bag like a George's.

4714
04:08:15,239 --> 04:08:20,120
Speaker 3: The horrion doctor is doctor Bruno. He's got a license doctor.

4715
04:08:20,280 --> 04:08:23,520
Speaker 6: Of course, he's got a doctor at his side, and

4716
04:08:23,680 --> 04:08:26,360
so this becomes part of the of the cid.

4717
04:08:26,280 --> 04:08:30,159
Speaker 3: STO imagine if he if he if he if uh said, listen,

4718
04:08:30,360 --> 04:08:34,760
I'll tell you a pal. You know, I'm under a

4719
04:08:34,840 --> 04:08:40,360
little bit of pressure with the federal government and steroids

4720
04:08:40,399 --> 04:08:42,680
and whatnot, so I got to tell you something. I'm

4721
04:08:42,719 --> 04:08:45,479
not a little alarmed. I'm not pleased with the fact

4722
04:08:45,520 --> 04:08:54,040
that you failed the drug test. You your your sample

4723
04:08:54,280 --> 04:09:02,639
was shown to have steroids in it. I understand, yes, yes,

4724
04:09:02,719 --> 04:09:05,920
I know you understand, but said I have to you know,

4725
04:09:06,879 --> 04:09:14,000
I have to. I gotta let you go pale. But

4726
04:09:14,120 --> 04:09:19,479
I have a doctor's note. I didn't know that. Great,

4727
04:09:19,760 --> 04:09:25,120
that's actually tell you what that actually that actually that's

4728
04:09:25,159 --> 04:09:28,399
a relief. I'm I don't know what else gonna do

4729
04:09:28,440 --> 04:09:29,760
there for a second, all right, Can I can I

4730
04:09:29,799 --> 04:09:36,440
see the note? Fine? I really thought he was gonna

4731
04:09:36,440 --> 04:09:40,120
say no, thank you. Let me say we got to

4732
04:09:40,120 --> 04:09:44,399
hear the doctor's note. But yes, I hereby prescribe said

4733
04:09:44,479 --> 04:09:54,799
tune take uh steroids and said, this note is signed

4734
04:09:54,840 --> 04:10:10,959
by doctor Harvey Whippleman. Yeah, he's Bruno is my doctor.

4735
04:10:14,559 --> 04:10:17,600
What is what is his doctorate in? Right?

4736
04:10:17,680 --> 04:10:19,399
Speaker 6: Pardon me? Said I didn't take him for a for

4737
04:10:19,440 --> 04:10:19,840
an MD.

4738
04:10:21,360 --> 04:10:23,120
Speaker 3: I really didn't, you know. I know we gave him

4739
04:10:23,120 --> 04:10:26,000
the doctor gimmick, but didn't realize he actually he went

4740
04:10:26,079 --> 04:10:29,079
for the m D. There, So what is he? What

4741
04:10:29,200 --> 04:10:31,680
is he? What is he a doctor of? What's his practice?

4742
04:10:32,760 --> 04:10:41,440
He practices in SID medicine. Excuse me, he practices the

4743
04:10:41,600 --> 04:10:51,479
medicine of SID Justice. Yeah, well, uh, I say, that's

4744
04:10:52,760 --> 04:10:59,079
that's very interesting. I uh uh said, I can't. I

4745
04:10:59,159 --> 04:11:01,479
can't do this. I can't do this. All right, he's

4746
04:11:01,520 --> 04:11:05,319
not a real doctor, Yes he is. No, he's not.

4747
04:11:05,879 --> 04:11:11,680
I gotta let you go. I do not authorize myself

4748
04:11:11,799 --> 04:11:15,440
to go. Right. Well, that's fine, you don't have to

4749
04:11:15,520 --> 04:11:17,799
author I'm authorized on the fact that you are gone.

4750
04:11:18,000 --> 04:11:20,559
You're done, You're out of the w w A. I

4751
04:11:20,680 --> 04:11:26,120
fired you, mister McMahon. I want you to look in

4752
04:11:26,239 --> 04:11:36,280
my eyes. You have no authority to fire sid Justice. Okay,

4753
04:11:36,879 --> 04:11:47,559
you do not have the wherewithal the strategic ability nor

4754
04:11:48,120 --> 04:11:52,360
the legal power to ever dictate what sid Justice does

4755
04:11:52,840 --> 04:11:58,559
or does not do. Well. Actually, I do have shot.

4756
04:11:59,360 --> 04:11:59,719
Speaker 9: I know that.

4757
04:12:04,639 --> 04:12:05,319
Speaker 3: That's all I got.

4758
04:12:09,399 --> 04:12:11,840
Speaker 6: Oh, Ship, there's never anything to say after that. It's awesome.

4759
04:12:13,920 --> 04:12:16,559
I mean, what a fucking ride with this guy. This

4760
04:12:16,799 --> 04:12:23,600
this this doctor is from Harvey Whipplelman. So I'm sure

4761
04:12:23,680 --> 04:12:28,559
said denies like, you know, manipulating a lot, right, I'm

4762
04:12:28,559 --> 04:12:31,680
sure he denies all of this, denies using it, denies

4763
04:12:31,719 --> 04:12:34,520
manipulating drug tests. Here he is to r a video.

4764
04:12:35,959 --> 04:12:39,639
Speaker 22: Now at the time, right before WrestleMania, maybe you can

4765
04:12:39,680 --> 04:12:42,399
put this to rest. W F put out a lot

4766
04:12:42,440 --> 04:12:44,680
of things saying that you failed a urine test at

4767
04:12:44,719 --> 04:12:48,000
the time that you were you know that that they

4768
04:12:48,040 --> 04:12:49,920
were they were giving out urinest with steroids, and that

4769
04:12:50,399 --> 04:12:52,559
you know that yours came up negative, but they put

4770
04:12:52,600 --> 04:12:54,479
you in the main event. Anyway, that you should give

4771
04:12:54,520 --> 04:12:56,680
them a favor for letting, you know them put you

4772
04:12:56,719 --> 04:12:57,280
in the main event.

4773
04:12:57,440 --> 04:12:58,280
Speaker 11: Is there any truth to that?

4774
04:12:59,040 --> 04:12:59,079
Speaker 7: No?

4775
04:12:59,479 --> 04:13:02,000
Speaker 9: Oh, a matter of fact, the pissed test wasn't until

4776
04:13:02,040 --> 04:13:09,639
after WrestleMania. And the thing was, Vince knew exactly what

4777
04:13:09,799 --> 04:13:13,200
I was on because I told you you know, uh,

4778
04:13:13,440 --> 04:13:16,920
there was no hiding that, you know. Uh now I

4779
04:13:17,200 --> 04:13:20,399
was fucking using someone else's pissed putting that bottle to

4780
04:13:20,559 --> 04:13:22,319
I didn't get caught, you know.

4781
04:13:22,520 --> 04:13:31,440
Speaker 11: But the thing about that is, we know, you know exactly, okay,

4782
04:13:32,440 --> 04:13:35,200
who does and doesn't do steroids?

4783
04:13:35,799 --> 04:13:37,959
Speaker 33: And when I was up to the four don't and

4784
04:13:38,120 --> 04:13:41,520
I was clean and uh never the last time I

4785
04:13:41,559 --> 04:13:45,319
was there, I never felt the pissed is And but

4786
04:13:45,920 --> 04:13:48,399
some guys were a lot off, bigger than me and

4787
04:13:48,639 --> 04:13:49,760
a lot less working out.

4788
04:13:50,879 --> 04:13:56,680
Speaker 3: So there is just yeah, someone's going on to I

4789
04:13:56,840 --> 04:13:58,920
used someone else's piss You just said it. Yeah, he

4790
04:13:58,959 --> 04:14:00,680
said it. You admitted it right there.

4791
04:14:01,280 --> 04:14:03,600
Speaker 2: It's the fan Wrestling Podcast.

4792
04:14:16,959 --> 04:14:24,040
Speaker 1: He's a La Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Joan.

4793
04:14:28,079 --> 04:14:31,840
Speaker 6: What a character this fucking guy was. He's out of

4794
04:14:31,920 --> 04:14:32,559
his mind.

4795
04:14:33,360 --> 04:14:36,959
Speaker 3: He's such a fucking.

4796
04:14:40,200 --> 04:14:43,680
Speaker 6: It's something. It starts to stack up, you know, Like

4797
04:14:43,760 --> 04:14:45,719
this guy just doesn't stop with this.

4798
04:14:46,000 --> 04:14:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just keeps going and going like he's the

4799
04:14:50,200 --> 04:14:52,319
he's the energy energizer buddy of lunacy.

4800
04:14:53,239 --> 04:14:55,399
Speaker 6: It's a great it's a matter of great debate. I

4801
04:14:55,520 --> 04:14:58,760
had trouble finding what the interviewer is referencing in terms

4802
04:14:58,799 --> 04:15:00,239
of maybe if someone out there can hel help me

4803
04:15:00,760 --> 04:15:04,159
this idea that WWF, I feel like I remember reading

4804
04:15:04,200 --> 04:15:06,280
something about how we didn't know all this about Sid's

4805
04:15:06,719 --> 04:15:10,959
drug tests around Wrestlmania eight until years later. To me,

4806
04:15:11,040 --> 04:15:12,200
it was like they're probably on some kind of like

4807
04:15:12,239 --> 04:15:14,920
pr campaign to push back against him or something to

4808
04:15:14,959 --> 04:15:17,200
where they disclosed this or say this publicly. I couldn't

4809
04:15:17,360 --> 04:15:19,760
find it, but I do remember kind of vaguely hearing

4810
04:15:19,799 --> 04:15:22,360
that we didn't know all this until years later. Nonetheless,

4811
04:15:23,479 --> 04:15:26,239
the question of whether the failed drug test was before

4812
04:15:26,239 --> 04:15:28,920
WrestleMania eight and they let him go forward anyway, or

4813
04:15:29,000 --> 04:15:32,280
if a Sid just said it was after. One of

4814
04:15:32,319 --> 04:15:34,680
the one of the fine arts of this kind of

4815
04:15:34,760 --> 04:15:37,959
thing is you you you do the test beforehand, but

4816
04:15:38,200 --> 04:15:40,000
you you see to it that you don't get the

4817
04:15:40,040 --> 04:15:42,200
results till after afterwards.

4818
04:15:42,120 --> 04:15:43,920
Speaker 3: Right, so that you get your big pain. It makes

4819
04:15:44,159 --> 04:15:44,680
more sense.

4820
04:15:44,840 --> 04:15:48,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, people have accused that an mma for years

4821
04:15:48,520 --> 04:15:51,799
and stuff, and I wouldn't be surprised that gives both

4822
04:15:52,399 --> 04:15:55,399
both sides can tell their story. WWF can say you know,

4823
04:15:55,559 --> 04:15:58,760
you you fail a test before Mania, and SID can

4824
04:15:58,799 --> 04:16:00,959
say I failed it after because it's a matter of

4825
04:16:01,040 --> 04:16:03,879
when we found out I failed as opposed to WY.

4826
04:16:04,079 --> 04:16:06,120
The test itself was was administered.

4827
04:16:06,200 --> 04:16:09,360
Speaker 3: But that's all that matters, is when you know.

4828
04:16:10,079 --> 04:16:11,920
Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden he's had enough of

4829
04:16:12,000 --> 04:16:16,280
this shit. All of a sudden, he's really accelerating his

4830
04:16:16,440 --> 04:16:20,600
level of dissatisfaction. But as we'll get to further down

4831
04:16:20,639 --> 04:16:23,159
the road here in the tribute, even the attack on Arn,

4832
04:16:25,040 --> 04:16:26,840
when you hear Colonel Rob Parker talk about it, he

4833
04:16:26,920 --> 04:16:29,239
knew Sid pretty well. The first things he thinks of

4834
04:16:29,520 --> 04:16:31,600
as to why Sid would be put in such an

4835
04:16:31,600 --> 04:16:34,120
irritable place was because he couldn't bring a shit with

4836
04:16:34,200 --> 04:16:36,159
him to England. Remember that episode took place in England,

4837
04:16:36,719 --> 04:16:39,079
and you can't just as well transport those kinds of

4838
04:16:39,120 --> 04:16:41,319
substances across the country lines you're going to get found

4839
04:16:41,319 --> 04:16:43,440
out of the airport. So that was a prolonged period

4840
04:16:43,479 --> 04:16:46,000
of time for Sid to go without his shit. And

4841
04:16:46,680 --> 04:16:49,360
just like any other drug, right that you become reliant on,

4842
04:16:49,559 --> 04:16:52,440
especially one that YEP is so central to your self

4843
04:16:52,520 --> 04:16:56,280
image and your idea of like your meal ticket, as steroids,

4844
04:16:56,319 --> 04:16:58,719
if you go cold turkey off them for a while,

4845
04:16:58,879 --> 04:17:00,639
you become an irritable son. Of a I mean, you're

4846
04:17:00,639 --> 04:17:03,200
irritable enough on them. A lot of people are let

4847
04:17:03,239 --> 04:17:06,559
alone when you're being deprived of them. And therefore exactly,

4848
04:17:07,040 --> 04:17:09,440
you know, your lifeblood to the way you think about it.

4849
04:17:09,600 --> 04:17:13,360
So he chucked up, Colonel Parker chucks up how violent

4850
04:17:13,479 --> 04:17:16,520
Sid got in that episode to being you know, weaning

4851
04:17:16,600 --> 04:17:19,440
off and being anxious and being stressed out about that.

4852
04:17:19,520 --> 04:17:21,479
Speaker 3: I mean that kind of makes sense. Actually, yeah, I

4853
04:17:21,559 --> 04:17:22,000
never heard it.

4854
04:17:22,159 --> 04:17:23,440
Speaker 6: Kind of put that way. But that was the first

4855
04:17:23,479 --> 04:17:25,639
thing he thought of, the first thing he cited in

4856
04:17:25,719 --> 04:17:27,040
terms of why it got that way. Plus there was

4857
04:17:27,120 --> 04:17:30,360
some drinking and they've been traving an awful long time

4858
04:17:30,479 --> 04:17:32,120
on a bus that, as we'll get to that only

4859
04:17:32,159 --> 04:17:35,520
had booze on it, and they were waiting for their food,

4860
04:17:35,559 --> 04:17:37,600
and it was just not a good combination of circumstances

4861
04:17:37,639 --> 04:17:40,600
at all in terms of preventing things like that from

4862
04:17:40,639 --> 04:17:43,920
coming to a head. But anyway, we're on our way

4863
04:17:43,920 --> 04:17:46,319
to WrestleMania Aid and whether the piss tests took place

4864
04:17:46,399 --> 04:17:48,399
before or after the show where the results came in

4865
04:17:48,559 --> 04:17:51,280
before or after the show, as we all know very well,

4866
04:17:51,360 --> 04:17:52,879
and it's a big part of why we're here. Sid

4867
04:17:53,000 --> 04:17:57,559
makes that walk and that WrestleMania eight entrance that really

4868
04:17:57,639 --> 04:17:58,079
sinks it in.

4869
04:17:58,159 --> 04:18:03,200
Speaker 17: If you ask me, see there said Justice Hulk Hogan

4870
04:18:03,239 --> 04:18:04,319
didn't indicate.

4871
04:18:04,000 --> 04:18:07,000
Speaker 3: This would be his life. Jab, I don't care.

4872
04:18:08,200 --> 04:18:12,319
Speaker 31: I don't give a damn. How about the liveries of

4873
04:18:12,440 --> 04:18:16,840
Hulk Hogan. The only thing they remember is that Sid

4874
04:18:17,200 --> 04:18:22,200
Justice is the man that ined ol Comania. Now you Hogan,

4875
04:18:22,879 --> 04:18:29,079
AH curse you. I curse you in every Hulk harmaniac

4876
04:18:30,000 --> 04:18:33,440
because uh, because.

4877
04:18:33,319 --> 04:18:36,719
Speaker 3: Uh the world.

4878
04:18:40,360 --> 04:18:41,680
Speaker 19: Let's get back to ringside.

4879
04:18:43,479 --> 04:18:48,360
Speaker 21: Tremendous challenge for the immortal Hank Hogan, the maniac, the

4880
04:18:48,479 --> 04:18:51,040
insane Sid Justice hal.

4881
04:18:50,920 --> 04:18:57,079
Speaker 23: Comania could all end. Likely in my book, Brain hal

4882
04:18:57,120 --> 04:19:01,159
Comania will live forever. Let's go down the ringside.

4883
04:19:01,479 --> 04:19:04,639
Speaker 11: What'd you ask me, ladies and gentlemen.

4884
04:19:05,319 --> 04:19:09,959
Speaker 2: This is the second half of our double mad event.

4885
04:19:10,760 --> 04:19:15,520
Speaker 15: I'm going to sketchule for one ball, and this time

4886
04:19:15,799 --> 04:19:16,799
I introduce to you.

4887
04:19:18,559 --> 04:19:20,559
Speaker 2: Harvey Whippleman.

4888
04:19:21,479 --> 04:19:24,040
Speaker 7: That is doctor Harvey Whippleman.

4889
04:19:24,479 --> 04:19:24,920
Speaker 3: That's right.

4890
04:19:25,920 --> 04:19:32,399
Speaker 7: This is the main event at Wrastlemania, and I'm your announcer.

4891
04:19:34,440 --> 04:19:41,959
Speaker 3: Here we fucking go comb on the one on your fat.

4892
04:19:43,719 --> 04:19:48,159
Speaker 15: And so respect to that greated man in the world

4893
04:19:48,319 --> 04:20:00,920
ranting better race side, So respect the man. I know,

4894
04:20:01,879 --> 04:20:09,920
and da a race back street jacket material.

4895
04:20:10,120 --> 04:20:10,959
Speaker 7: You're looking at it.

4896
04:20:13,000 --> 04:20:14,959
Speaker 2: Yep, he's not all there.

4897
04:20:15,879 --> 04:20:17,280
Speaker 18: He's not wrapped too tight.

4898
04:20:17,959 --> 04:20:20,479
Speaker 3: The elevator doesn't go to the top. He's not playing

4899
04:20:20,559 --> 04:20:21,879
with a full set of cards.

4900
04:20:23,040 --> 04:20:26,399
Speaker 8: And Hulk Hogan is in serious trouble. One way or

4901
04:20:26,520 --> 04:20:27,079
the other.

4902
04:20:31,719 --> 04:20:35,000
Speaker 3: Said it was predetermined that he would end the ring.

4903
04:20:35,120 --> 04:20:38,239
Well he's got and I heard you last week tell

4904
04:20:38,280 --> 04:20:39,520
him the newspaper.

4905
04:20:39,079 --> 04:20:41,479
Speaker 7: Writer you refer to him as psychosis.

4906
04:20:41,600 --> 04:20:44,559
Speaker 23: There is right there is lass with the white coats

4907
04:20:44,600 --> 04:20:46,479
and the big net, a looking lenders guy.

4908
04:20:46,959 --> 04:20:48,760
Speaker 20: You bet every a lot of guys and a lot

4909
04:20:48,799 --> 04:20:49,239
of nets.

4910
04:20:55,399 --> 04:20:57,719
Speaker 23: Not very often that the hunks ask the stuff in

4911
04:20:57,799 --> 04:20:59,959
there with someone as big or large.

4912
04:21:00,079 --> 04:21:04,200
Speaker 3: Tear of that himself. But in this case, actually he

4913
04:21:04,239 --> 04:21:05,639
spent his career fucking doing that.

4914
04:21:06,959 --> 04:21:08,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, that that was the race was on to find

4915
04:21:08,959 --> 04:21:10,520
someone that could make Cogan look small.

4916
04:21:11,079 --> 04:21:13,479
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, that's that's what he always fucking was

4917
04:21:13,479 --> 04:21:16,399
against people that were bigger than him. That was that's

4918
04:21:16,440 --> 04:21:18,520
what That's what sold out arenas.

4919
04:21:18,719 --> 04:21:21,799
Speaker 6: Which is funny because kind of but like he worked

4920
04:21:21,840 --> 04:21:24,280
Randy Savage and that did the best business. Yeah, And

4921
04:21:24,360 --> 04:21:26,200
he was bigger than Randy, he was bigger than Piper,

4922
04:21:26,239 --> 04:21:30,120
and that did awesome business as well. But I'll tell

4923
04:21:30,159 --> 04:21:31,600
you that's an entrance.

4924
04:21:32,120 --> 04:21:32,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

4925
04:21:32,440 --> 04:21:34,319
Speaker 6: You watch that building and you watch him make that

4926
04:21:34,440 --> 04:21:38,200
slow walk, and yep, he carries himself with so much confidence.

4927
04:21:39,399 --> 04:21:41,959
Speaker 3: He's spectacular. Listen. He was. He was great. I mean,

4928
04:21:42,040 --> 04:21:44,520
he was a real he was a legit threat, like

4929
04:21:44,600 --> 04:21:48,879
I said, he he he Yeah, he scared me. And

4930
04:21:49,959 --> 04:21:52,559
it was one of the you know, I I remember

4931
04:21:53,440 --> 04:22:00,159
again not being able to watch the television, you know,

4932
04:22:00,319 --> 04:22:04,120
like I didn't watch the WRESTLINGIA live, so I had

4933
04:22:04,159 --> 04:22:10,399
to wait to watch you get the results until uh

4934
04:22:10,799 --> 04:22:11,719
the following weekend.

4935
04:22:12,479 --> 04:22:16,600
Speaker 6: Amazing, you know, that's a long ass time. And during

4936
04:22:16,639 --> 04:22:18,440
the course of the contest, he looks into the mic

4937
04:22:19,000 --> 04:22:21,680
and into the camera and gives us one of those

4938
04:22:21,760 --> 04:22:24,040
lines that he'll be known for for forever.

4939
04:22:29,120 --> 04:22:35,399
Speaker 3: Oh, I've never I'll never seen anybody do that. The

4940
04:22:35,559 --> 04:22:39,680
hot Tim Henry pet that's that choke slam hoes with

4941
04:22:39,840 --> 04:22:40,319
no hand.

4942
04:22:41,000 --> 04:22:43,520
Speaker 8: He shut him down And tell the man.

4943
04:22:43,959 --> 04:22:47,239
Speaker 7: That's Omer, it's baby, he's op the media.

4944
04:22:47,959 --> 04:22:52,520
Speaker 3: That's ommer. He's done his number. Chuck up here few

4945
04:22:52,639 --> 04:22:53,239
roll along.

4946
04:22:53,559 --> 04:22:54,639
Speaker 30: See we have a sand.

4947
04:22:55,559 --> 04:22:59,920
Speaker 7: It goes like death do it to the man, as he.

4948
04:23:00,040 --> 04:23:04,920
Speaker 8: Would go on, do you but do it first?

4949
04:23:08,440 --> 04:23:11,559
Speaker 6: That's just so Sid, because I'm sitting really does that

4950
04:23:12,079 --> 04:23:12,639
make sense?

4951
04:23:12,760 --> 04:23:14,639
Speaker 3: Like maybe? And halfway?

4952
04:23:14,719 --> 04:23:16,680
Speaker 6: Does I know what he's saying? That's the thing with Sid,

4953
04:23:16,799 --> 04:23:19,319
like very rarely did you have no clue what he

4954
04:23:19,440 --> 04:23:21,920
was talking about? Yeah, but it was just the word

4955
04:23:22,040 --> 04:23:24,280
choice was always so befuddling that you were like, wait

4956
04:23:24,280 --> 04:23:29,479
a minute, did he actually did he unintentionally get me

4957
04:23:29,600 --> 04:23:32,000
to draw that conclusion and meant to say something else?

4958
04:23:33,120 --> 04:23:36,040
Do That's the thing you'll never know do into him

4959
04:23:36,040 --> 04:23:37,799
another man? Is he would do unto you, but do

4960
04:23:37,879 --> 04:23:39,600
it first? But you just said you did it like

4961
04:23:43,159 --> 04:23:45,319
you just did onto another man before he could do

4962
04:23:45,399 --> 04:23:46,920
it to you. So of course you did it first.

4963
04:23:47,000 --> 04:23:53,520
Speaker 3: You just said that. Do you want I guess? Yeah, yeah, sure,

4964
04:23:53,680 --> 04:23:56,920
whatever you say, pal, whatever you say, do you do first?

4965
04:23:58,239 --> 04:24:00,680
My other do onto some before they do it to you?

4966
04:24:00,799 --> 04:24:02,079
Do you do that first? Or do you just do

4967
04:24:02,120 --> 04:24:04,360
the first half first, the second half first, or do

4968
04:24:04,479 --> 04:24:06,239
you do you just leave it alone altogether?

4969
04:24:06,799 --> 04:24:08,440
Speaker 6: That'd be nice. Well, you know, you'd think with this

4970
04:24:09,120 --> 04:24:13,680
this huge setting, this massive opportunity, this great atmosphere working

4971
04:24:13,719 --> 04:24:16,120
against the top guy in the business, that Sid would

4972
04:24:16,120 --> 04:24:18,799
be able to differentiate between WrestleMania and the other shots

4973
04:24:18,840 --> 04:24:19,360
on the circuit.

4974
04:24:19,440 --> 04:24:19,559
Speaker 7: Right.

4975
04:24:19,879 --> 04:24:21,040
Speaker 11: Oh, no way, no way.

4976
04:24:21,120 --> 04:24:24,040
Speaker 6: This is another legendary thing. He once said to Sean

4977
04:24:24,120 --> 04:24:25,319
Mooey about WrestleMania eight.

4978
04:24:26,040 --> 04:24:28,520
Speaker 8: You know, Sean, this is a deal and I'm not exaggerating.

4979
04:24:29,159 --> 04:24:33,120
I don't even remember my first WrestleMania. I didn't realize

4980
04:24:33,159 --> 04:24:35,319
it was WrestleMania. And I'm not kidding you. I never

4981
04:24:35,399 --> 04:24:37,719
looked at a booking sheet. I didn't care who was

4982
04:24:37,799 --> 04:24:40,600
working with. I didn't care it was a business to me.

4983
04:24:40,920 --> 04:24:43,319
I didn't care for wonder the laws. I just wanted

4984
04:24:43,360 --> 04:24:43,920
to get paid.

4985
04:24:45,760 --> 04:24:46,719
Speaker 19: So it was a house show.

4986
04:24:46,799 --> 04:24:50,719
Speaker 11: Basically, I'm just Sean just showing up.

4987
04:24:51,719 --> 04:24:54,440
Speaker 8: Yes, honestly, you know I got You know, after my

4988
04:24:54,520 --> 04:24:58,159
first WrestleMania, someone said, you know you were main event Wreussellmania.

4989
04:24:58,159 --> 04:25:01,159
I said, no, wasn't the He said yes, and I

4990
04:25:01,239 --> 04:25:03,719
remember that the who's you don't? But I didn't really

4991
04:25:03,920 --> 04:25:07,440
realize that was WrestleMania. I do remember doing the interviews

4992
04:25:07,479 --> 04:25:10,239
for it, and because I had that Southern accent, I

4993
04:25:10,319 --> 04:25:13,200
guess I was saying wrestling mana or saying it the

4994
04:25:13,239 --> 04:25:15,319
wrong way, and there was a big sign there said

4995
04:25:15,920 --> 04:25:17,520
tell sid just say mania.

4996
04:25:20,159 --> 04:25:24,440
Speaker 3: I mean this guy is something lunatic, something else, like

4997
04:25:25,000 --> 04:25:30,239
who fucking who fucking says that? Like, I don't even

4998
04:25:30,239 --> 04:25:32,559
remember my first WrestleMania. I thought was a house show.

4999
04:25:33,040 --> 04:25:35,520
I mean he I don't know, I don't know. I

5000
04:25:35,600 --> 04:25:37,200
think he's playing on a few levels with that. I

5001
04:25:37,239 --> 04:25:38,959
don't believe for a second that he doesn't remember that

5002
04:25:39,040 --> 04:25:40,520
that was WrestleMania. I agree.

5003
04:25:40,840 --> 04:25:42,559
Speaker 6: He's trying to make a point about how he was

5004
04:25:42,639 --> 04:25:44,239
in this to make money and he wasn't a mark

5005
04:25:44,280 --> 04:25:47,479
for any particular moment, which of course he was, of

5006
04:25:47,600 --> 04:25:48,159
course he was.

5007
04:25:49,120 --> 04:25:51,399
Speaker 3: Later on if he wasn't if he if he if

5008
04:25:51,440 --> 04:25:53,520
he wasn't a mark for a moment like that, then

5009
04:25:53,959 --> 04:25:56,319
he wouldn't have said I want to be Hulk Hogan,

5010
04:25:56,840 --> 04:25:58,000
I want Huld Cogan spot.

5011
04:25:58,280 --> 04:26:00,559
Speaker 6: And later on he talks about, you know, bring filling

5012
04:26:00,639 --> 04:26:02,840
this building, and he talks about his you know, he's

5013
04:26:02,840 --> 04:26:04,559
been asked in other interviews of what was your favorite

5014
04:26:04,559 --> 04:26:06,200
WrestleMania moment, and he tells.

5015
04:26:06,200 --> 04:26:09,120
Speaker 3: I don't have one. I don't even remember what Wrestlemnia.

5016
04:26:08,639 --> 04:26:11,280
Speaker 6: Was at this wrestleman opponent. He names this without even

5017
04:26:11,559 --> 04:26:13,479
going into the whole story about how he doesn't remember

5018
04:26:13,479 --> 04:26:17,559
his wrestling Mania, right, the idiot, Yeah, there's that.

5019
04:26:17,680 --> 04:26:18,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

5020
04:26:18,280 --> 04:26:22,200
Speaker 6: I think that's that's Sid trying to spin a narrative

5021
04:26:22,280 --> 04:26:26,680
of him being, you know, all business and and the unsuccess.

5022
04:26:26,920 --> 04:26:28,959
Maybe there was some small thing where he didn't realize

5023
04:26:28,959 --> 04:26:30,639
it was WrestleMania to who he's at the building, I

5024
04:26:31,200 --> 04:26:33,799
just don't having heard him talk about this WrestleMania and

5025
04:26:33,840 --> 04:26:36,079
a bunch of other interviews, he's never said that except

5026
04:26:36,079 --> 04:26:37,760
to Sean Mooney. But you only have to say something

5027
04:26:37,840 --> 04:26:40,840
like that once. Right, that's the Sid story. And so

5028
04:26:42,159 --> 04:26:44,319
he comes into and out of we know the finish

5029
04:26:44,879 --> 04:26:48,079
of that match where Hogan drops the leg covers one

5030
04:26:48,120 --> 04:26:50,440
two and Sid basically the first person to kick out

5031
04:26:50,440 --> 04:26:53,280
of Hogan's leg drop in WWF yep. And it's a

5032
04:26:53,280 --> 04:26:55,159
big moment. And there's been a lot of hoopblog because

5033
04:26:55,239 --> 04:26:58,079
Charles Wright, who was Publishano and ran out during the match,

5034
04:26:58,440 --> 04:27:00,600
has always said that he missed his He's got a

5035
04:27:00,639 --> 04:27:02,520
whole story about how he was supposed to have hit

5036
04:27:02,559 --> 04:27:04,319
the ring before Sid had to kick out. But then

5037
04:27:04,360 --> 04:27:06,159
you hear Bruno tell it. He said that was exactly

5038
04:27:06,479 --> 04:27:08,040
what was supposed to happen, and it was in fact

5039
04:27:08,120 --> 04:27:11,159
Bruno that was supposed to cause the match ending disqualification,

5040
04:27:12,399 --> 04:27:15,239
not Papa Shango who comes out awfully late for somebody

5041
04:27:16,000 --> 04:27:17,600
that was expected to hit the ring in time for

5042
04:27:17,680 --> 04:27:23,719
that finish awfully late. Yeah, And so Whippleman doesn't even

5043
04:27:23,799 --> 04:27:25,760
say that he was late on breaking up the count.

5044
04:27:25,799 --> 04:27:28,200
When he explains it, he makes it seem and Sid

5045
04:27:28,319 --> 04:27:30,520
does too. He doesn't really talk about He's been asked

5046
04:27:30,520 --> 04:27:32,600
a hundred times what happened in this finish, and every

5047
04:27:32,680 --> 04:27:35,680
time Sid answers the question, he never mentions Papa Shango

5048
04:27:35,719 --> 04:27:38,120
being late on the queue ever, and he kind of

5049
04:27:38,159 --> 04:27:41,000
dismissed it out right in one interview. And when Whoopleman

5050
04:27:41,040 --> 04:27:42,559
talks about it, he talks about it. It's you know,

5051
04:27:42,680 --> 04:27:44,600
Sid was basically just a kick out of the leg drop.

5052
04:27:44,920 --> 04:27:47,440
Speaker 3: I think that I don't I don't necessarily buy that.

5053
04:27:47,520 --> 04:27:48,440
To me, that sounds like.

5054
04:27:50,120 --> 04:27:51,719
Speaker 6: Someone fucked up and they're trying not to own it.

5055
04:27:52,360 --> 04:27:56,399
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think they're getting I think Sid

5056
04:27:56,479 --> 04:28:00,920
gets gets kind of a I cann't you know that

5057
04:28:01,239 --> 04:28:03,239
by saying that was that that that that he was

5058
04:28:03,239 --> 04:28:05,000
supposed to kick out of the leg drop. It makes

5059
04:28:05,079 --> 04:28:09,200
him seem that much, you know, better than they Oh yeah,

5060
04:28:09,200 --> 04:28:12,879
they booked me to the office, would write, you know, like,

5061
04:28:13,360 --> 04:28:16,399
I just don't let me tell you this. I just

5062
04:28:16,520 --> 04:28:20,959
don't think someone kicking out of the leg drop at

5063
04:28:21,040 --> 04:28:23,719
that point would have been wasted on a moment like that. Yeah,

5064
04:28:23,719 --> 04:28:25,239
because it is, it's such an afterthought the way it

5065
04:28:25,239 --> 04:28:27,200
plays out. The crowd is almost confused. No one even

5066
04:28:27,280 --> 04:28:28,840
fucking really does anything with it.

5067
04:28:29,319 --> 04:28:31,840
Speaker 6: And they don't mention it on commentary.

5068
04:28:32,000 --> 04:28:36,600
Speaker 3: They do briefly. Yeah, but that's a split second, right,

5069
04:28:37,360 --> 04:28:40,639
which to me says, you know, they get Vince in

5070
04:28:40,680 --> 04:28:43,440
the ear. Don't don't don't talk about that that fucked

5071
04:28:43,520 --> 04:28:46,319
up whatever it was, because when you see it happen

5072
04:28:46,360 --> 04:28:50,639
with Yokazuna the following year, it's a big deal. Yes,

5073
04:28:51,639 --> 04:28:52,799
it's a big deal.

5074
04:28:54,520 --> 04:28:56,200
Speaker 6: Really interesting. I don't know. I mean, I'll go with

5075
04:28:56,319 --> 04:28:59,159
Charles Wright as the truth tailor in this because but

5076
04:28:59,200 --> 04:29:00,959
I don't know with Whippmann. You know, I would think

5077
04:29:00,959 --> 04:29:03,600
Whippleman would blame Papa Shango.

5078
04:29:03,319 --> 04:29:04,920
Speaker 3: Too if that was the case, But I think but

5079
04:29:05,280 --> 04:29:07,760
not if he's a friend of Sid's. Yeah, and he

5080
04:29:07,840 --> 04:29:08,920
wants to make Sid look good.

5081
04:29:09,000 --> 04:29:11,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, accentually with the idea that the office you know

5082
04:29:11,760 --> 04:29:13,319
said it said it so that Sid would kick out

5083
04:29:13,319 --> 04:29:15,239
of a leg drop. I've emver heard Hogan. That's the

5084
04:29:15,319 --> 04:29:17,680
question for Hogan if you ever see him at a

5085
04:29:17,879 --> 04:29:21,200
at a beer thing. Hey, hey, when Sid kicks out

5086
04:29:21,200 --> 04:29:22,639
of a leg drop at wrestling the ate were you

5087
04:29:22,719 --> 04:29:24,319
surprised or was that was supposed to happen?

5088
04:29:26,559 --> 04:29:26,719
Speaker 7: Why?

5089
04:29:28,159 --> 04:29:29,200
Speaker 6: Who don't you ask that?

5090
04:29:30,120 --> 04:29:30,600
Speaker 3: What's it to you?

5091
04:29:30,879 --> 04:29:30,920
Speaker 2: Like?

5092
04:29:31,319 --> 04:29:32,520
Speaker 3: What is there a video?

5093
04:29:32,680 --> 04:29:32,719
Speaker 7: Like?

5094
04:29:32,799 --> 04:29:34,520
Speaker 3: Well, I don't even remember what you're talking you remember,

5095
04:29:34,600 --> 04:29:36,200
I don't think anyone's talking about.

5096
04:29:36,319 --> 04:29:37,600
Speaker 6: I got the video right here, Terry. No, No, you

5097
04:29:37,600 --> 04:29:38,639
don't have to take that out, brother, we.

5098
04:29:38,639 --> 04:29:40,319
Speaker 3: Got a line of them. I get it, dude. I

5099
04:29:40,360 --> 04:29:42,159
get what you're saying, brother, I get that you're saying.

5100
04:29:42,200 --> 04:29:42,399
Speaker 9: You have.

5101
04:29:44,280 --> 04:29:45,879
Speaker 3: AI brother right exactly.

5102
04:29:45,959 --> 04:29:50,840
Speaker 6: I don't I know that this is exactly exactly. I mean,

5103
04:29:50,920 --> 04:29:54,280
deep fakes, dude. Who knows more about that than than

5104
04:29:54,319 --> 04:29:55,239
a sports entertainer?

5105
04:29:55,639 --> 04:29:57,799
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm all about deep fake dude. Did you.

5106
04:30:00,479 --> 04:30:01,319
Speaker 6: Let's see that phone?

5107
04:30:01,319 --> 04:30:04,879
Speaker 3: Brother? No, let me see the phone, brother, what's your phone?

5108
04:30:05,040 --> 04:30:12,840
We're taking pictures of brother Old Hogan. Yeah, yeah, sure,

5109
04:30:12,879 --> 04:30:16,879
I came to pictures. I came to take care a

5110
04:30:16,959 --> 04:30:19,840
photo of you. Why, dude, what do you? What are

5111
04:30:19,879 --> 04:30:20,799
you trying to prove? Brother?

5112
04:30:21,479 --> 04:30:21,920
Speaker 6: Triangle?

5113
04:30:22,399 --> 04:30:25,239
Speaker 3: What you're trying to roll me up to? You know what?

5114
04:30:25,559 --> 04:30:27,559
Speaker 6: What's next? You want to take a shot behind me?

5115
04:30:27,639 --> 04:30:27,840
Speaker 21: Brother?

5116
04:30:28,319 --> 04:30:29,159
Speaker 3: What do you? What do you weigh?

5117
04:30:29,200 --> 04:30:29,239
Speaker 7: Like?

5118
04:30:29,719 --> 04:30:30,920
Speaker 3: Nine to five pounds? Soaking wet?

5119
04:30:31,000 --> 04:30:31,159
Speaker 11: Dude?

5120
04:30:31,200 --> 04:30:32,399
Speaker 3: You gonna roll me up?

5121
04:30:32,440 --> 04:30:32,639
Speaker 21: Brother?

5122
04:30:32,920 --> 04:30:33,079
Speaker 7: Huh?

5123
04:30:34,360 --> 04:30:36,280
Speaker 3: Huh uh?

5124
04:30:44,000 --> 04:30:45,879
Speaker 6: Trivia question t l f X trivia question.

5125
04:30:46,440 --> 04:30:47,319
Speaker 3: What's the best? Who?

5126
04:30:48,239 --> 04:30:50,680
Speaker 6: What episode does it appear on? No, it isn't Summer

5127
04:30:50,719 --> 04:30:54,719
Slam O five, It isn't one of the Hogan headline shows.

5128
04:30:54,799 --> 04:30:56,399
Speaker 3: It's the Sid Tribute.

5129
04:30:58,200 --> 04:31:04,399
Speaker 6: Where where he's accosting someone for taking pictures of him.

5130
04:31:06,200 --> 04:31:07,719
Speaker 3: So good, I had a fucking meet and greet.

5131
04:31:08,479 --> 04:31:10,639
Speaker 6: I mean, dude, that's great stuff. So yeah, who knows

5132
04:31:10,680 --> 04:31:12,559
the mystery that leg drop? But Sid has never leaned

5133
04:31:12,600 --> 04:31:14,239
into it one way or the other. As far as

5134
04:31:14,280 --> 04:31:16,239
blaming anybody else, he just says that's how it's supposed

5135
04:31:16,239 --> 04:31:18,319
to happen. This is also a guy who claims not

5136
04:31:18,360 --> 04:31:19,440
to remember it's WrestleMania.

5137
04:31:19,559 --> 04:31:21,719
Speaker 3: So that was a house show.

5138
04:31:23,040 --> 04:31:24,319
Speaker 6: And that's you know, he didn't say it was a

5139
04:31:24,360 --> 04:31:27,239
house show. Sean Mooney that that's I kind of yeah,

5140
04:31:27,280 --> 04:31:30,040
people say Sid thought it was a joke. Sid doesn't

5141
04:31:30,159 --> 04:31:32,399
think it's a house show. Mooney's the one that says that,

5142
04:31:32,479 --> 04:31:34,120
and he kind of goes along with it. But it's

5143
04:31:34,200 --> 04:31:36,920
not like Sid volunteers that. And I saw some kind

5144
04:31:36,959 --> 04:31:40,879
of lazy shorthand trying to recall some hilarious things he said.

5145
04:31:40,920 --> 04:31:44,040
It's saying saying that, but anyway that that's where it

5146
04:31:44,079 --> 04:31:46,200
comes from, and that's that is part funny, and it's

5147
04:31:46,319 --> 04:31:47,920
it's kind of like the Kevin Nash story of how

5148
04:31:47,959 --> 04:31:51,200
Sid turned down the Hogan's thought to be he It's like, no,

5149
04:31:51,399 --> 04:31:54,719
that's it's not what Sid said happened at all. He

5150
04:31:55,040 --> 04:31:57,840
sort of was thrust into being a heel against what

5151
04:31:58,239 --> 04:32:03,079
he expected to happen. He didn't suggest. So there's trouble. Now, okay,

5152
04:32:03,159 --> 04:32:06,360
there's trouble. Sid is unhappy. This piss test isn't going

5153
04:32:06,399 --> 04:32:08,600
to go in his direction. WrestleMania is over and he

5154
04:32:08,639 --> 04:32:11,399
doesn't win. We know Ultimate Warrior returns at the end

5155
04:32:11,440 --> 04:32:14,079
of that match to run off Shango and Sid the

5156
04:32:14,159 --> 04:32:17,760
Warrior who man you talk about a guy who Sid's

5157
04:32:17,799 --> 04:32:19,920
career is inextricably tied to one way or the other.

5158
04:32:20,479 --> 04:32:24,000
He gets into that spot prematurely and accelerated because Warrior

5159
04:32:24,040 --> 04:32:27,600
gets fired. Warrior comes back, and Sid, as we're about

5160
04:32:27,600 --> 04:32:30,680
to talk about, basically leaves because Warriors back. In no

5161
04:32:30,840 --> 04:32:35,079
small part, it kind of makes redundant in some ways

5162
04:32:35,959 --> 04:32:39,520
that position that Sid was expected to fill as a babyface.

5163
04:32:39,799 --> 04:32:44,280
And then flash forward to ninety six, why does Sid

5164
04:32:44,399 --> 04:32:47,760
come back boss for the international incident?

5165
04:32:50,120 --> 04:32:51,520
Speaker 3: Fucking Warrior?

5166
04:32:51,639 --> 04:32:56,000
Speaker 6: Sid gets Warrior gets fired exactly, So this is kind

5167
04:32:56,000 --> 04:32:59,120
of a weird thing that's developing between Sid and Jim

5168
04:32:59,159 --> 04:33:03,440
Helwig and no, Warrior gets fired from WCW, and within

5169
04:33:03,520 --> 04:33:07,479
months Sid's in WCW. As they probably have some free

5170
04:33:07,520 --> 04:33:09,520
money slashing around that would have went to Jim Hallway.

5171
04:33:09,560 --> 04:33:11,799
I mean, that's just a position there. But Sid gets

5172
04:33:11,799 --> 04:33:14,040
a very fat contract to come into nineteen ninety nine,

5173
04:33:14,720 --> 04:33:18,319
so it's all very deeply funny. And of course, as

5174
04:33:18,439 --> 04:33:20,759
per tradition, after WrestleMania, the boys go on the European

5175
04:33:20,799 --> 04:33:24,799
Tour and that's a big long slog and Sid goes

5176
04:33:24,799 --> 04:33:27,200
ahead and does that tour.

5177
04:33:27,599 --> 04:33:30,880
Speaker 3: We've seen stuff from it we've seen Sid Face the

5178
04:33:30,959 --> 04:33:32,040
Undertaker as we have.

5179
04:33:32,200 --> 04:33:35,319
Speaker 6: It's in the archives on one of the Coliseum home videos.

5180
04:33:36,599 --> 04:33:38,799
So they get back and this is where we pick

5181
04:33:38,880 --> 04:33:41,840
back up with Downtown Bruno and his book recollecting what

5182
04:33:41,919 --> 04:33:44,799
It's Like to travel with a cranky Sid After a

5183
04:33:44,880 --> 04:33:45,680
European tour.

5184
04:33:47,799 --> 04:33:50,080
Speaker 3: Five days after we returned to the United States, Sid

5185
04:33:50,119 --> 04:33:52,400
and I were booked on a ten day run through

5186
04:33:52,439 --> 04:33:55,959
the Northeast. Sid was scheduled the wrestle Ultimate Warrior for

5187
04:33:56,000 --> 04:34:02,240
the entire tour. The traffic jams, can ingestion, high prices,

5188
04:34:02,319 --> 04:34:06,319
and general chaos of the Northeast are enough to put

5189
04:34:06,639 --> 04:34:08,279
anybody in a bad mood.

5190
04:34:09,279 --> 04:34:13,479
Speaker 6: These Southern boys and they're fucking problems with real traffic, man.

5191
04:34:13,560 --> 04:34:17,319
It's it's like, shut the fuck up about it. Seriously,

5192
04:34:17,520 --> 04:34:26,319
Oh my god, Connecticut gestion, general chaos, and evidently sent

5193
04:34:26,439 --> 04:34:29,400
Sid over the edge. I don't have any other explanation

5194
04:34:29,520 --> 04:34:33,240
for his irrational behavior, or maybe because he's off the juice.

5195
04:34:33,680 --> 04:34:37,000
Speaker 3: Maybe Uh. Since first match with Warrior took place in Baltimore,

5196
04:34:37,080 --> 04:34:40,240
to say the match sucked is probably giving Sid in

5197
04:34:40,520 --> 04:34:42,639
Warrior more credit than they deserve. We got to see.

5198
04:34:42,680 --> 04:34:44,279
Speaker 6: This is an unreleased we need to see.

5199
04:34:44,599 --> 04:34:48,759
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, I need to see all the this is

5200
04:34:48,880 --> 04:34:50,840
this was my feud too, like this is a few

5201
04:34:50,919 --> 04:34:55,919
that I again became a staple for me.

5202
04:34:56,560 --> 04:35:00,880
Speaker 6: As a kid, so many you know, expecting anything else.

5203
04:35:01,639 --> 04:35:04,279
Speaker 3: Sid and Warrior, like in my Hansber universe, they were

5204
04:35:04,319 --> 04:35:05,520
at war all the time.

5205
04:35:05,919 --> 04:35:06,360
Speaker 6: Amazing.

5206
04:35:07,840 --> 04:35:10,720
Speaker 3: It was a constant battle. And I never saw one

5207
04:35:10,799 --> 04:35:13,720
fucking match, oh never. None of them made it to television.

5208
04:35:14,240 --> 04:35:16,360
Got to and this, by the way, if you're getting

5209
04:35:16,400 --> 04:35:19,000
deja vu longtime listeners. We did touch on this part

5210
04:35:19,040 --> 04:35:21,479
of Bruno's book in the episode we did about the

5211
04:35:21,599 --> 04:35:28,080
Saturday Nights main Event when Sid turns on Hogan m Truthfully,

5212
04:35:28,119 --> 04:35:30,400
the fact that they had a bad match wasn't Sid's fault.

5213
04:35:30,840 --> 04:35:33,040
Warrior was the type of guy who made a great entrance,

5214
04:35:33,200 --> 04:35:35,840
entering the arena to the sound of loud music, a

5215
04:35:35,919 --> 04:35:38,400
colorful outfit and face paint. He would bark at the

5216
04:35:38,479 --> 04:35:42,080
ceiling and shake the ropes sadly. However, when the music stopped,

5217
04:35:42,159 --> 04:35:45,759
so did his charisma. Warrior had a main event body

5218
04:35:45,840 --> 04:35:50,119
and a squash jaw brain, which was my expression. My

5219
04:35:50,279 --> 04:35:53,439
friend Steve Lombardi made up. Steve wasn't talking about Warrior

5220
04:35:53,479 --> 04:35:55,520
when he used that phrase, but I thought it was appropriate,

5221
04:35:55,639 --> 04:35:58,439
so I'll use it for this particular story. Anyway. To

5222
04:35:58,479 --> 04:36:01,880
put it bluntly, Sid, it wasn't exactly satisfied with the match.

5223
04:36:02,439 --> 04:36:04,560
I knew he was upset about it, but he refused

5224
04:36:04,599 --> 04:36:06,200
to talk about it. The next day, at the Old

5225
04:36:06,279 --> 04:36:09,599
Boston Garden Arena, Sid went ballistic in the dressing room

5226
04:36:09,599 --> 04:36:12,040
after his match. I knew how tough it was to

5227
04:36:12,080 --> 04:36:14,200
work with Warrior, but I just couldn't understand why he

5228
04:36:14,279 --> 04:36:16,119
was making such a big deal out of it. He

5229
04:36:16,319 --> 04:36:19,279
kicked a chair, threw his boots across the room, and scowled.

5230
04:36:19,799 --> 04:36:23,439
He practically hyperventilated as he changed back into his street clothes.

5231
04:36:24,360 --> 04:36:26,720
When George Steele, the agent for that show, tried to

5232
04:36:26,759 --> 04:36:30,439
approach him, Sid just said, George till Vincent Klitton, I'm

5233
04:36:30,479 --> 04:36:34,639
going home now, get the fuck away from me now.

5234
04:36:36,000 --> 04:36:39,240
He was livid, and his actions were frightening to watch.

5235
04:36:39,959 --> 04:36:42,520
When it came to scaring me, his actions took a

5236
04:36:42,680 --> 04:36:45,159
back seat to what he had to say after we

5237
04:36:45,279 --> 04:36:52,439
left the arena, Bruno, you're gonna finish up two in

5238
04:36:52,479 --> 04:36:54,279
the airport and you're gonna fly back to Memphis.

5239
04:36:54,360 --> 04:36:54,560
Speaker 7: With me.

5240
04:36:56,360 --> 04:36:58,720
Speaker 3: Sid rented and rage irrationally all the way to Logan

5241
04:36:58,759 --> 04:37:01,599
in an international airport. He talked about how terrible things

5242
04:37:01,639 --> 04:37:03,880
were in the WWE and how ridiculous it was for

5243
04:37:04,000 --> 04:37:06,360
him to be working with Warrior. He went on and on.

5244
04:37:06,560 --> 04:37:09,360
Once again, just like all the times in CWF, I

5245
04:37:09,560 --> 04:37:11,720
was there to bear the brunt of his anger. I

5246
04:37:11,840 --> 04:37:14,200
begged Sid to reconsider as we stood in front of

5247
04:37:14,200 --> 04:37:16,799
the airline ticket counter. I suggested he'd go explain his

5248
04:37:16,840 --> 04:37:22,200
grievances to Vincent the following Dan Niagara Falls TV whatever,

5249
04:37:22,520 --> 04:37:26,799
whatever the whatever the problem, I assured him, vinc will

5250
04:37:26,880 --> 04:37:30,840
fixing for you. Sid would hear none of it. He

5251
04:37:30,919 --> 04:37:32,959
simply told me to get my credit card and buy

5252
04:37:33,000 --> 04:37:40,720
a one way ticket to Memphis. Unbelievable, or he would

5253
04:37:43,319 --> 04:37:45,240
snap your fucking neck.

5254
04:37:46,520 --> 04:37:46,959
Speaker 6: Nice guy.

5255
04:37:48,200 --> 04:37:50,599
Speaker 3: Not wanting my next snaps, I pulled out my trusty

5256
04:37:50,720 --> 04:37:53,279
visa and slapped it on the Northwest ticket counter, and

5257
04:37:53,400 --> 04:37:55,720
without so much as telling a soul from the company,

5258
04:37:55,759 --> 04:37:59,639
I pulled a hank snow with Sid. We landed in Memphis.

5259
04:37:59,680 --> 04:38:02,439
Sid into his car and drove home to Arkansas, while

5260
04:38:02,479 --> 04:38:05,080
I hoped into my truck and drove to Mississippi. As

5261
04:38:05,159 --> 04:38:08,560
we parted, Sid told me tomorrow call Vincent, thank him

5262
04:38:08,560 --> 04:38:11,680
for everything, but tell him that you want you want

5263
04:38:11,720 --> 04:38:15,240
to finish up, then call Lawlor and go back to USWA.

5264
04:38:16,200 --> 04:38:18,840
As soon as again I'm on ww contract, I'll take

5265
04:38:18,840 --> 04:38:20,119
you to w CW with me.

5266
04:38:20,680 --> 04:38:24,439
Speaker 6: Jesus Christ, no choice in the matter. As we know

5267
04:38:25,319 --> 04:38:28,520
Downtown Bruno would actually stay with WWF. He goes on

5268
04:38:28,599 --> 04:38:31,159
his book to talk about how as soon as Vince

5269
04:38:31,240 --> 04:38:32,880
is frantically trying to get him on the phone, realizing

5270
04:38:32,919 --> 04:38:35,119
that Sid skipped out on him. And when he does

5271
04:38:35,159 --> 04:38:36,639
get Berno on the phone, he says, you still want

5272
04:38:36,639 --> 04:38:38,520
to work here? And he says yes. And Bruno stayed

5273
04:38:38,520 --> 04:38:40,319
booked for a while and actually worked for the company

5274
04:38:40,400 --> 04:38:44,080
for years and years and years and went backstage logistics capacity.

5275
04:38:44,119 --> 04:38:46,240
And I think he's even still there. I'm not entirely

5276
04:38:46,319 --> 04:38:49,000
sure as to his status, but I mean, you know,

5277
04:38:49,119 --> 04:38:51,119
he went to manage Kamala the rest of the year,

5278
04:38:51,319 --> 04:38:54,240
sure did ye stayed on TV for a while, so

5279
04:38:54,319 --> 04:38:57,240
he didn't follow Sid as he sat out his WWF contract.

5280
04:38:57,279 --> 04:39:00,520
And of course it being spring becoming summer, you know,

5281
04:39:00,639 --> 04:39:04,159
people start saying, yeah, you know, Sid's finding a way

5282
04:39:04,200 --> 04:39:07,639
to get out just in time for softball season. But

5283
04:39:07,799 --> 04:39:10,880
that that's perhaps the story that uh that that lives

5284
04:39:10,919 --> 04:39:13,840
in infamy and in the legend and myth. But I

5285
04:39:13,919 --> 04:39:17,080
might not have all of the the direct support unlike

5286
04:39:17,119 --> 04:39:19,279
the other one in the w W days when he

5287
04:39:19,400 --> 04:39:23,639
was recuperating from that lung surgery. I guess Arkansas baseball

5288
04:39:23,720 --> 04:39:25,439
is a really big deal. We get a note from

5289
04:39:25,479 --> 04:39:28,000
somebody that said, like the softball rather that it's actually

5290
04:39:28,240 --> 04:39:30,639
some of the highest level male softball teams in the

5291
04:39:30,680 --> 04:39:31,919
country play at Arkansas.

5292
04:39:32,040 --> 04:39:34,240
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I didn't know there were high

5293
04:39:34,319 --> 04:39:38,040
level softball team begin with. I guess Sid was was

5294
04:39:38,119 --> 04:39:40,360
within his rights to take this a little more seriously

5295
04:39:40,439 --> 04:39:42,240
than I guess he'd you know, take it very seriously.

5296
04:39:42,240 --> 04:39:43,599
It's just like a you know, it's just like a

5297
04:39:43,639 --> 04:39:45,919
football player, you know, you know, it just comes to

5298
04:39:45,959 --> 04:39:50,919
wrestle the off season so different. I can't.

5299
04:39:51,400 --> 04:39:53,759
Speaker 6: I can't, you know, I can't deny that. I can't

5300
04:39:53,759 --> 04:39:54,240
find I can't.

5301
04:39:54,439 --> 04:39:56,240
Speaker 3: When you know you don't make fun of Kevin Green

5302
04:39:56,400 --> 04:39:58,520
for you know, doing w c W during the off season,

5303
04:39:59,759 --> 04:40:02,639
you know, what's the big deal? Like you should shut

5304
04:40:02,639 --> 04:40:05,400
the fuck up, right he's a softball player than a wrestler.

5305
04:40:05,720 --> 04:40:08,240
It's our pal William Webb on Patreon, who writes softball

5306
04:40:08,319 --> 04:40:10,840
is huge in Arkansas with no pro sports teams except

5307
04:40:10,880 --> 04:40:13,040
for the minor league baseball team, so college sports are

5308
04:40:13,119 --> 04:40:15,439
huge and the men's baseball team and women's softball team

5309
04:40:15,479 --> 04:40:18,240
are highly revered. For what it's worth, Sid probably worked

5310
04:40:18,319 --> 04:40:21,000
rice fields, as that's one of the few crops that grows. Well.

5311
04:40:21,759 --> 04:40:23,639
Speaker 6: I remember him talking about corn, but I don't know.

5312
04:40:23,759 --> 04:40:24,240
Maybe you're right.

5313
04:40:24,360 --> 04:40:27,400
Speaker 3: What's so like? Let me tell you. So I don't

5314
04:40:27,479 --> 04:40:31,599
understand men's softball. What's the difference between it and baseball,

5315
04:40:31,759 --> 04:40:32,360
big ball?

5316
04:40:33,119 --> 04:40:39,040
Speaker 6: Just the big ball yep, underhand pitching, okay, And I

5317
04:40:39,080 --> 04:40:41,560
think there's different dimensions to the field as far as

5318
04:40:41,639 --> 04:40:43,720
how far away the home run is and stuff.

5319
04:40:43,599 --> 04:40:46,400
Speaker 3: Or maybe the people who play live in different dimensions.

5320
04:40:46,680 --> 04:40:50,520
Speaker 6: It's definitely in the world. He mind, Well, it's definitely

5321
04:40:50,599 --> 04:40:56,279
a way like I feel like when men get older,

5322
04:40:56,279 --> 04:40:58,919
it becomes really hard for them to play regular baseball

5323
04:40:58,919 --> 04:41:01,560
without getting hurt. I think it's I think the dimensions

5324
04:41:01,560 --> 04:41:03,720
make it easier to play longer. So it's like I

5325
04:41:03,759 --> 04:41:06,200
always associate men's softball with older people, and I don't

5326
04:41:06,240 --> 04:41:08,599
exactly know why, but you know, if you're going to

5327
04:41:08,639 --> 04:41:10,279
start like an old man's league, it's never.

5328
04:41:10,200 --> 04:41:11,000
Speaker 3: Going to be baseball.

5329
04:41:11,040 --> 04:41:13,080
Speaker 6: It's going to be softball, and it's a soft pitch,

5330
04:41:13,479 --> 04:41:15,400
so you can really crack the ball. No one's going

5331
04:41:15,439 --> 04:41:18,200
to get beaned and put on the fucking you know shelf. Sure,

5332
04:41:18,479 --> 04:41:20,599
sure you can only throw a ball that's that big,

5333
04:41:20,720 --> 04:41:23,200
that hard anyway. So I think that that's kind of

5334
04:41:23,560 --> 04:41:24,959
kind of it. And I think the nature of the

5335
04:41:25,000 --> 04:41:28,159
ball is softer too, But that's just that's what I

5336
04:41:28,200 --> 04:41:30,720
can do for you there. But yeah, I think I

5337
04:41:30,759 --> 04:41:32,840
think we can read the subtext in Bruno's writing as

5338
04:41:32,880 --> 04:41:34,799
to what might be animating Sid. I think I think

5339
04:41:34,799 --> 04:41:37,360
it's a fair play. I think it's it's no coincidence,

5340
04:41:37,400 --> 04:41:40,000
it's sd Sid quits the company twice in four months

5341
04:41:40,000 --> 04:41:43,479
after they institute pissed testing in November ninety one. Yeah,

5342
04:41:43,880 --> 04:41:46,279
or at least the results come in November ninety one.

5343
04:41:46,959 --> 04:41:50,639
So all that is to say that no one's better

5344
04:41:50,720 --> 04:41:52,599
at coming up with a reason to have a big

5345
04:41:52,680 --> 04:41:56,200
fit and bounce and dip than the great Sid Uty.

5346
04:41:56,919 --> 04:42:01,159
As for his opponent during this last few outings in

5347
04:42:01,279 --> 04:42:04,840
this memorable wwfron Ultimate Warrior. He did sit for a

5348
04:42:04,880 --> 04:42:08,520
shoot interview and did talk briefly here about working with Sid,

5349
04:42:08,599 --> 04:42:11,840
and I think I think, you know, kind of supports

5350
04:42:12,040 --> 04:42:14,360
at least the narrative about them going back and forth

5351
04:42:14,439 --> 04:42:18,159
on how much offense Warrior expected Sid to give to

5352
04:42:18,279 --> 04:42:19,479
him upon his return at wrestling.

5353
04:42:19,520 --> 04:42:22,959
Speaker 25: He eight Sid came in after I left in ninety one,

5354
04:42:24,159 --> 04:42:28,080
and so we never really got to know one another.

5355
04:42:28,799 --> 04:42:33,040
Speaker 27: And he when I came back in ninety two, just

5356
04:42:33,159 --> 04:42:34,919
like I did when I came back in ninety six

5357
04:42:35,000 --> 04:42:40,959
with Hunter Helmsley, he just misunderstood I was as a

5358
04:42:41,040 --> 04:42:44,560
businessman saying this is Ultimate Warrior.

5359
04:42:45,080 --> 04:42:47,560
Speaker 11: I'm ultimate Warrior.

5360
04:42:47,799 --> 04:42:51,759
Speaker 25: Is this this is the way he's accepted by the people,

5361
04:42:51,919 --> 04:42:53,799
This is how he is a money maker.

5362
04:42:54,479 --> 04:42:55,959
Speaker 11: And he had been the guy.

5363
04:42:56,279 --> 04:42:58,479
Speaker 25: He had been the big, tall guy with big arms

5364
04:42:58,520 --> 04:43:03,159
and big muscles and know, you know, their version of

5365
04:43:03,279 --> 04:43:07,200
intense character that they had at the time. And when

5366
04:43:07,240 --> 04:43:12,000
I came back, I mean, I think he was at

5367
04:43:12,040 --> 04:43:14,880
the least he's you know, his feelings were probably hurt

5368
04:43:15,680 --> 04:43:19,400
and at the most, you know, he was offended and

5369
04:43:19,479 --> 04:43:22,119
he wasn't going to go along with what that needed.

5370
04:43:21,919 --> 04:43:27,080
Speaker 6: To be done, also reporting that said was officially suspended

5371
04:43:27,119 --> 04:43:28,639
for a period of no less than six weeks by

5372
04:43:28,639 --> 04:43:33,200
the w WF for unprofessional conduct, which was an all

5373
04:43:33,319 --> 04:43:35,319
encompassing term that they used back then, and they didn't

5374
04:43:35,319 --> 04:43:38,400
want to be specific as to why So left. This

5375
04:43:38,400 --> 04:43:41,759
is coming after the aforementioned scene were Sid storms out

5376
04:43:41,759 --> 04:43:43,759
of the Boston Garden after a match with Ultimate Warrior,

5377
04:43:44,240 --> 04:43:46,400
because Meltzer wrote, he was unhappy either with the way

5378
04:43:46,400 --> 04:43:48,919
they were going to the finish or the finish itself,

5379
04:43:49,840 --> 04:43:51,639
and we got all the details there as to what

5380
04:43:52,080 --> 04:43:54,599
that was about. Papa Shango, of all people, was called

5381
04:43:54,639 --> 04:43:57,319
to fill in on Sid's spots on these cards that

5382
04:43:57,400 --> 04:44:00,720
he began to miss pulled from Midwest bookings. Is they

5383
04:44:00,720 --> 04:44:03,680
were running two different circuits, two different rosters at that

5384
04:44:03,759 --> 04:44:07,159
point in time. On the house shows. There's apparently some

5385
04:44:07,240 --> 04:44:11,720
word that Sid was trying to negotiate with Japan Sunday's

5386
04:44:11,759 --> 04:44:13,520
Tokyo Sports. Meltzer wrote at the time it was the

5387
04:44:13,560 --> 04:44:14,880
board of that Justice, who was believed to have had

5388
04:44:14,919 --> 04:44:17,720
more than one year left on his WWF contract, was

5389
04:44:17,759 --> 04:44:20,080
now negotiating in New Japan, although New Japan's office didn't

5390
04:44:20,080 --> 04:44:24,360
confirm the story and so Meltzer concludes, this marks the

5391
04:44:24,479 --> 04:44:27,360
third straight year that Justice hasn't worked during this time

5392
04:44:27,439 --> 04:44:29,919
of year, I e. Softball season.

5393
04:44:30,400 --> 04:44:31,159
Speaker 3: That's insane.

5394
04:44:32,200 --> 04:44:34,400
Speaker 6: We close this period of our tribute to Sid and

5395
04:44:34,439 --> 04:44:36,720
our look back on his life and times with his

5396
04:44:36,840 --> 04:44:40,119
recollections of this final night in the ww F locker room,

5397
04:44:40,200 --> 04:44:42,159
of this memorable run that.

5398
04:44:43,319 --> 04:44:46,319
Speaker 8: Just that's maybe one of the worst moments of my

5399
04:44:46,439 --> 04:44:50,200
life working with that guy. I'm not a kid yet.

5400
04:44:50,319 --> 04:44:54,040
That's when I already gave my notice and I was

5401
04:44:54,159 --> 04:44:56,319
just trying to get the fuck out of there. And

5402
04:44:57,119 --> 04:44:59,159
the first time I had to work with guy in Baltimore.

5403
04:44:59,400 --> 04:45:02,319
As he says, sim will clothes line and clothesline and

5404
04:45:02,400 --> 04:45:05,040
clothes line, and then you take a power and I'm

5405
04:45:05,040 --> 04:45:08,319
gonna shake the ropes. I said, no, Jim, I'm gonna

5406
04:45:08,560 --> 04:45:10,799
come in. I'm gonna stop you. You're gonna duck my

5407
04:45:10,880 --> 04:45:13,319
clothes line. You're gonna give me one clothes line. Then

5408
04:45:13,400 --> 04:45:15,919
you shake your ropes and he reached him to the said,

5409
04:45:16,240 --> 04:45:19,520
well the stars tell us to goy. I was looking

5410
04:45:19,560 --> 04:45:22,639
around like man, my own candle camera, and that walked

5411
04:45:22,680 --> 04:45:26,680
down to Jack Landra. This is exact exactly was that.

5412
04:45:26,720 --> 04:45:29,840
I said, landa you bet get on the phone, called Vince,

5413
04:45:30,360 --> 04:45:32,560
but said, if I have to work with this motherfucking

5414
04:45:32,639 --> 04:45:35,040
do this finish one more night, I'm gonna go home

5415
04:45:35,080 --> 04:45:37,680
and I'm not gonna answer the fucking phone. And that

5416
04:45:37,840 --> 04:45:40,040
we did in Boston the next night, and that's exactly

5417
04:45:40,080 --> 04:45:43,080
what happened. I packed my ship up, went home and

5418
04:45:43,240 --> 04:45:44,599
then't and didn't come back.

5419
04:45:46,720 --> 04:45:48,919
Speaker 6: Indeed, he didn't. He didn't answer the call until it

5420
04:45:49,000 --> 04:45:53,080
was in fact, World Championship Wrestling calling back, and Arn

5421
04:45:53,159 --> 04:45:55,880
Anderson here he comes.

5422
04:45:57,639 --> 04:46:02,279
Speaker 1: As a TJ said, this production its contents is intended

5423
04:46:02,319 --> 04:46:03,439
for private use only