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<v Speaker 1>This is the Olympic files.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Olio, and.

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<v Speaker 3>We decided to do something on false flag operations things.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you could consider that the government creates to

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<v Speaker 3>create a situation. I guess that they would wish to

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<v Speaker 3>have the population agree with and so usually the best way,

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<v Speaker 3>especially when it comes to wars, is to get people

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<v Speaker 3>all pissed off, find a boogeyman, and you're a pretty

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<v Speaker 3>good shape. Now, we just outlined a few I think

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<v Speaker 3>everybody will get the general gist of the situation. But

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<v Speaker 3>we looked at some of the incidents and they are

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<v Speaker 3>as follows. Fort Sumter, the sinking of the USS Main,

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<v Speaker 3>the sinking of the Lusitania Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonkin,

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<v Speaker 3>and Oklahoma City regarding the Borough Building bombing, the WTC

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<v Speaker 3>bombing nine to eleven, and I hope it isn't the case.

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<v Speaker 3>But what has just taken place in Boston in the

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<v Speaker 3>detonation surrounding the or during the Boston Marathon. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>is there anything else that you wanted to put on

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<v Speaker 3>that list?

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<v Speaker 2>THEO Well, I'm just a couple from antiquity, and this

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<v Speaker 2>just shows you how old this trick is and how

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<v Speaker 2>gullible populations always are. But of course Nero the best

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<v Speaker 2>resources we have anyway, say that he or somebody from

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<v Speaker 2>his side set the city of Rome on fire, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course they blamed it on the Christians because they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to persecute the Christians. But also before that, I

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<v Speaker 2>was reading online this week that I didn't know this

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<v Speaker 2>until recently, but when Julius Caesar decided to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>across the Rubicon and come take over Rome. Before he

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<v Speaker 2>got there, he apparently sent some of his agents in

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<v Speaker 2>to cause a few what we would call today terrorists

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<v Speaker 2>attacks in order to convince enough Roman citizens that there

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<v Speaker 2>was no law in order in Rome. And so who's

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<v Speaker 2>going to come and save the day? The man on

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<v Speaker 2>the white horse, Julius Caesar, And it worked for him,

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<v Speaker 2>It worked at the time for Nero, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>working for governments today when when they want to start

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<v Speaker 2>a war for the profit of a few always, or

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<v Speaker 2>when they want to pass some lockdown legislation, have a

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<v Speaker 2>get the pretext going, get the more than a pretext,

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<v Speaker 2>it's they are they're proactive in helping these things happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just mentioned the ones that pertained to the

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<v Speaker 3>United States, And of course the one that became a

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<v Speaker 3>very popular event and back in nine to eleven was

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<v Speaker 3>referring back to the reichstad being burnt.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, so everybody's kind of aware of that.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I mean they the fact that you point

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<v Speaker 3>that out, that it's happened across millennia should be a clue.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet it works every time with regard to for it, Sumpter,

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<v Speaker 3>We all understand that pretty much, although some people will

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<v Speaker 3>nitpick and say it wasn't the real triggering element in

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<v Speaker 3>the civil war, which I think it was. But no

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<v Speaker 3>matter what, there was gonna be a civil war. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you for your input on

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<v Speaker 3>that right now, because as far as I'm concerned, this

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<v Speaker 3>thing was bound to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>They were just looking for a way to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think, Oh, oh, definitely, they're the

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<v Speaker 2>European the old world European powers wanted it to come off.

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<v Speaker 2>They were doing their best to get both sides moomented

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<v Speaker 2>into a war, and it worked.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't think there was ever really going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a Confederate in the United States of America. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think it was ever in the cards for the

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<v Speaker 3>nation to be split, because what the nation did in

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<v Speaker 3>the twentieth century could not be done if it were split.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was not a possibility, although it was always

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<v Speaker 3>raised that it was going to be that.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, that's why there was a session.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet in a sense that flew in the face

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<v Speaker 3>of the Constitution, which doesn't mean a thing anyway. But

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<v Speaker 3>you were allowed to succeed, but Joe go aheadn't try it.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what we've gotten. But this goes back even

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<v Speaker 3>into the fifties. In the eighteen fifties, it might have

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<v Speaker 3>been one of the reasons why Buchanan was poisoned at

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<v Speaker 3>his inaugural party.

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<v Speaker 2>Which virtually nobody knows about.

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<v Speaker 3>No, And I tell you, I've gone back and taken

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<v Speaker 3>a look at some of the accounts, and they are

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<v Speaker 3>a riot. One of them claims he had malaria.

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<v Speaker 2>All about the dozens of people that were killed by

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing he ingested.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they got well. But first of all, they're saying

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<v Speaker 3>there was nothing ingested. So that was in some newspapers.

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<v Speaker 3>Another one said definitely that I forget what it was

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<v Speaker 3>that they said that he ate something was spoiled. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you get the cherries in the milk thing, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there's there's accounts, uh you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know that just vary.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I went back and I took a look,

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<v Speaker 3>I I bookmarked where I found them in this Chronicling America.

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<v Speaker 1>Dot LC.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's great to read these accounts, I mean, because

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's just you know, first reporting, and it's there

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<v Speaker 3>to be seen. Uh, But there seems to be a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of dancing around the fact that he was Uh

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<v Speaker 3>there was an assassination attempt on him, and certainly even

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<v Speaker 3>though he did his survive and others did die, as

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<v Speaker 3>you noted, and this happened in DC.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was what the National Hotel or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I just like, I just like, how how

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<v Speaker 1>selective malaria gets, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Yeah, and it only affects the one thide.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So at any rate, he was never the same

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<v Speaker 3>after that. He was about as malliable as you could be.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't think he wanted any part of beginning

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<v Speaker 3>the Civil War. So it devolved upon whoever's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be next, and that's Lincoln, you know, And we're not

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<v Speaker 3>giving Lincoln a pass as being a hero or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the fabled character that we see right up there against

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<v Speaker 3>you know, with Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>At both myths.

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<v Speaker 3>But I would say I think that Lincoln was somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who knew what the deal was going to be. He

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<v Speaker 3>knew what he had to execute, He did it, and

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that he didn't have the stomach for it,

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<v Speaker 3>and at some point, probably around Gettysburg, he changed his mind.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was not good news for all the other

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<v Speaker 3>interested parties, both in his political party and elsewhere. But

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<v Speaker 3>on the other hand, we see people who are constantly

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<v Speaker 3>killing Lincoln and executing him and bringing him.

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<v Speaker 1>Back out, and I'm like, all right, enough is enough,

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<v Speaker 1>we got it, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not a demi god, but he's not the bassard

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<v Speaker 3>you say he is either.

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<v Speaker 1>He's somewhere in the middle. He became a president. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you expect?

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<v Speaker 3>And you see the same thing all along with these,

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<v Speaker 3>the two sides, one that want to glorify and one

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<v Speaker 3>that want to demonize it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it that been your experience as wealthyo?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, And it's sadly. I've talked to a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of people in the South today over the years, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they would see my point. See what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking at about a lot of historical things. But well,

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<v Speaker 2>when it came to explaining oh, for example, they'd be

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<v Speaker 2>the patriotypes, and they would even understand most of the

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<v Speaker 2>problem with the fourteenth Amendment. However, when I would try

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<v Speaker 2>to explain to them that the influence of Rome and

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<v Speaker 2>the historical documents there, they won't even look at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and then because I would link, of course it

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<v Speaker 2>factually historically, I would. I'm trying to show them the

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<v Speaker 2>documents which prove that Lincoln was assassinated by Rome ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>and they won't even look at that because to them,

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<v Speaker 2>that's well, they chalk it up to just Charles Chinicky,

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<v Speaker 2>which that's it's a good source, but there are many others.

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<v Speaker 2>And because they fear that that's going to make Lincoln

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<v Speaker 2>look like a good guy, like a martyr. Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care about that. I was just trying to show them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, factually who assassinated him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And of course this goes on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 3>You still have the one side in the history book

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<v Speaker 3>side that make him look like, like I said, a

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<v Speaker 3>Denny God and any of the others that can't kill

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<v Speaker 3>him enough. And it goes on and on and on.

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<v Speaker 3>Look he's a president that means your son of a

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<v Speaker 3>bitch to begin with. I'm sorry, but that's the way

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<v Speaker 2>I do think he had some kind of change of

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<v Speaker 2>heart in Gettysburg. I mean, can you imagine walking through

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<v Speaker 2>that carnage and seeing it. That's who knows how that

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<v Speaker 2>might affect somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think when they talk about all the similarities

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<v Speaker 3>between Lincoln and Kennedy, one I think you can add

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<v Speaker 3>to that as well is that both of them knew

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<v Speaker 3>what the deal was when they signed on for this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that both changed their minds, ironically one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred years apart. A Lincoln in eighteen sixty three, Kennedy

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<v Speaker 3>well before obviously November nineteen sixty three. But at some

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<v Speaker 3>point in time, I just think they decided that they

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't do it this way. And the once you're assigned,

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<v Speaker 3>when the president is assassinated, is that they probably changed

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<v Speaker 3>the script and that's not a good thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when they sent out the lone gunmen.

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<v Speaker 3>But with regard to Fort Sumter, I mean, first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>the Confederate states had seen it, they'd become their own government,

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<v Speaker 3>and here we have a Union installation in the South,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's Fort Sumter in the Bay of Charleston, South Carolina.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean, first of all, you would think that

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<v Speaker 3>the Union troops would get there but out of there,

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<v Speaker 3>and they would be allowed to go peaceably and safely.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, that's day down there. So what happened was

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<v Speaker 3>there was an order for the fort to be restocked

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<v Speaker 3>with supplies, not anything necessarily of a military nature or

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<v Speaker 3>an aggressive nature. And let me just read one paragraph

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<v Speaker 3>from one of the many summaries about what took place

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<v Speaker 3>that day, and it talks about the vice President of

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<v Speaker 3>the Confederacy, Stevens, saying that he identified the beginning of

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<v Speaker 3>the wars Lincoln's order sending a quote hostile fleet styled

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<v Speaker 3>the Relief Squadron to reinforce Fort Sumter. The war was

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<v Speaker 3>then and there inaugurated and began by the authorities at Washington.

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<v Speaker 3>General Beauregard did not open fire upon Fort Sumter until

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<v Speaker 3>this fleet was, to his knowledge, very near the harbor

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<v Speaker 3>of Charleston, and until he had inquired of Major Anderson

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<v Speaker 3>whether he would engage to take no part in the

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<v Speaker 3>expected blow then coming down upon him from the approaching fleet.

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<v Speaker 3>When Major Anderson would not make such a promise, it

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<v Speaker 3>became necessary for General Beauregard to strike the first blow,

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<v Speaker 3>as he did. Otherwise the forces under his command might

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<v Speaker 3>have been exposed to fires, to two fires at the

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<v Speaker 3>same time, and in front and in another in the rear.

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<v Speaker 3>The use of force by the Confederacy therefore, was in

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<v Speaker 3>self defense rendered necessary by the actions of the other side.

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<v Speaker 3>So by sending the ship down there, it was clear

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<v Speaker 3>what was going to happen. And it happened, and there

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<v Speaker 3>you had just civil war.

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<v Speaker 2>And the sources you and I know about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they will they cite that Beauregard was a Romanist. It's

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<v Speaker 2>worth noting all that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that whole thing is so strange.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you got Jefferson Davis, who was in contact

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<v Speaker 1>And the same goes with John Wilkes Booth.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you got them missus crazy madman who couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>But this guy was an actor who was up in

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<v Speaker 1>New York. More than most people were, you know, even

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<v Speaker 1>during the war. He was going up there. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like laughable to a certain extent.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, this wasn't all you know about all ramped

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<v Speaker 3>up Southerners who you know, couldn't take the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>Stand, but at any rate, and I mean that that's

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<v Speaker 3>Reasons why it's crazy to think that Booth shot Lincoln

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<v Speaker 1>There was none. It was over with.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a hit.

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<v Speaker 3>And this goes back to what we were saying about Rome.

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<v Speaker 3>But that was a whack job that had nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>do with the war. It had to do with payback,

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<v Speaker 3>if you will, and that bank. Huh yeah. And also

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<v Speaker 3>because people were making money on the war and now

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<v Speaker 3>the war was ending in their estimation too soon, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>how to go with all the and there were people

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<v Speaker 3>in Lincoln's own party that were profiteering, you know, even

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<v Speaker 3>in his close circles. So I mean there was a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of intrigue in that. But again, when we were

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<v Speaker 3>put back together again, it was in a different manner

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<v Speaker 3>that has stayed with.

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<v Speaker 1>Us to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, sure, two years after that war you had the

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<v Speaker 2>coup de ETAs called the Reconstruction Acts by those same

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<v Speaker 2>people in Lincoln's party, but not that they were at

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<v Speaker 2>the head of it. They were prominent.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. One last comment, if we will, I often

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<v Speaker 3>wonder too if Lincoln's haste to end the war, if

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<v Speaker 3>it were somewhat humanitarian, it might have also.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of compelled.

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<v Speaker 3>Sheridan to go on what is now the infamous March

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<v Speaker 3>to the Sea. Sherman, I'm sorry, Sharon, and I said, right, Sherman, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And and that's something that really stuck with

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<v Speaker 3>may have hastened the end of the war, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's to be humanitarian, you have to be what you know,

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<v Speaker 3>anti humanitarian. So that's that it may not have ended

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<v Speaker 3>that way had Lincoln maybe not have to change your heart,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. The next incident is the sinking of the USS Main.

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<v Speaker 3>We are led to believe that there was a mine

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<v Speaker 3>out there in the harbor in Havana, and that put

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<v Speaker 3>there by the Spanish and that that blew up the

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<v Speaker 3>main and of course everybody got all po in the

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<v Speaker 3>some Spanish.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's your take on this?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, totally inside job. We wanted to We wanted

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<v Speaker 2>the Spanish possessions we wanted and it was not even

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<v Speaker 2>just Cuba that we wanted. The Philippines is what we

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<v Speaker 2>really wanted, and we got them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've been all through that out in the world.

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<v Speaker 3>You didn't take Cuba, but that's oh, that's right, that's

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<v Speaker 3>because you wanted to allow Cuba to remain independent. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>which of course is you know, the burr in our

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<v Speaker 3>bonnet to this very day. But it's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 3>that way, and that's what's set up that kind of situation.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's just kind of crazy to think that Americans

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<v Speaker 3>and Cubans go to work at guantanom Obey all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>punch clock's going to go out, and here was supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be at such odds with the Cuban government that

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<v Speaker 3>there is no kind of reciprocity or any kind of commerce.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>The former mayor of Tampa gave a speech at Saint

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<v Speaker 3>Leo University, and I had to tape it, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was surprised during the Q and A that followed that

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<v Speaker 3>Greco admitted that there was business going on between the

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<v Speaker 3>United States and Cuba below the radar screen. I was

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<v Speaker 3>really surprised he said that publicly, and I think at

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<v Speaker 3>that time he was specifically referencing that Kren was being

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<v Speaker 3>sent down. I mean, the Formers would doing business with Cuba,

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<v Speaker 3>and I mean, I don't really care, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and that's what this whole speech was about,

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<v Speaker 3>was normalizing trade with Cuba.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, go ahead, but I have a quote here

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<v Speaker 2>you they're going to get a kick out of. It's

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<v Speaker 2>by McKinley, William McKinley, the president at that time. So

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<v Speaker 2>that war happened in eighteen ninety eight. It was fomented,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, by the so called Yellow Press, the Hearst publications,

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<v Speaker 2>And everybody today is we're willing to admit that Hurst

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<v Speaker 2>was Hearst's publications were propaganda and they fomented that war.

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<v Speaker 2>But where we can't make the connections, connect the dots

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<v Speaker 2>and see that the same thing's happening today, just different

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<v Speaker 2>people in charge of the press. But okay, so eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety eight was the war in eighteen ninety nine, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The source on this is a book called the Life

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<v Speaker 2>of William McKinley. But in eighteen ninety nine, apparently William

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<v Speaker 2>McKinley made some speech before a Methodist Episcopal church, and

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<v Speaker 2>here's what he wrote. Now, keep in mind, we had

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<v Speaker 2>the United States forces during the invasion and occupation of

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<v Speaker 2>the Philippines. We had killed and estimated two hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>Filipino civilians. All right, But here's what McKinley said. This

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<v Speaker 2>is going to sound like Bush Junior. He said, we

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<v Speaker 2>could not leave them to themselves. They were unfit for

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<v Speaker 2>self government and they would soon have anarchy and misrule

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<v Speaker 2>over there, worse than Spain's was. There was nothing left

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<v Speaker 2>for us to do but to take them all and

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<v Speaker 2>to educate the Filipinos and uplift and civilize and christianize them.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna christian That's like the in Vietnam. We had

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<v Speaker 2>to save the village. We had to destroy the village

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<v Speaker 2>by saving it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I'm more was backed in the native people's too.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we're gonna save you by killing you. If

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<v Speaker 3>you don't like what we tell you to do. Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and and and just real quickly, I haven't really spent

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of time. I'd like to, I think, but

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I'll ever get to it, because

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<v Speaker 3>I don't believe that the assassinations of Garfield and McKinley

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<v Speaker 3>were a lone gunmen. I mean, I know Geito is

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<v Speaker 3>involved in show gosh and all this other stuff, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know there's there's there's more to it than that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I like to throw in the Huey Long one too.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it fits the pattern, the loan nut gunman, when

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<v Speaker 2>of course they were money powers behind it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you have no secret service at the time of

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<v Speaker 3>Lincoln's assassination, and supposedly his guard walks away and then

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<v Speaker 3>both makes his move. But now that happened in eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>sixty five, the way we have sixteen years later. Garfield

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<v Speaker 3>is walking through Union Station and really with not much protection.

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<v Speaker 3>Two people in his entourage not necessarily very fond of Garfield.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's the old Julius Caesi's story.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, you've got enemies in your midst and I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>and they walk him through Union Station and bang he

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<v Speaker 1>Now that still isn't enough.

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<v Speaker 3>You have McKinley getting popped in nineteen oh one, right,

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<v Speaker 3>this is twenty years after, yeah, twenty years after Garfields,

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, doesn't anybody get it? There was secret

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<v Speaker 3>service at the time, And I found one of these

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<v Speaker 3>old newspapers in that website I mentioned that where was

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<v Speaker 3>openly questioned like, how did you guys not jump this guy?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's in his line waiting to shake McKinley's hand.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got a handkerchief wrapped around his hand. Don't you

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<v Speaker 3>think it'd be like, Oh, come over here, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>let's take a look at that. Oh no, he goes

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<v Speaker 3>right up in pop's McKinley, you think. I mean, come on, man,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, one of the odds for a lone gunmen

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<v Speaker 3>to be successful three out of three times in the

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<v Speaker 3>course of what that would be some like forty five

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<v Speaker 3>years or so. So anyway, here are you going with

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<v Speaker 3>the main? Now, I'll just read what they did and

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<v Speaker 3>then kind of put a PostScript on this. So the

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<v Speaker 3>US Navy Department immediately formed the Board of Inquiry to

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<v Speaker 3>determine the reason for the mains destruction. The inquiry conducted

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<v Speaker 3>in Havana, lasted for conducted in Havanda, lasted in four weeks,

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<v Speaker 3>lasted four weeks. The condition of the submerged wreck and

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<v Speaker 3>the lack of technical expertise prevented the board from being

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<v Speaker 3>as thorough as later investigations, and in the end they

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<v Speaker 3>concluded that a mine had detonated under the ship. The

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<v Speaker 3>board did not attempt to fix blame for the placement

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<v Speaker 3>of the device, the main. All right, The destruction of

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<v Speaker 3>the main did not cause the US to declare war

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<v Speaker 3>in Spain, but it served as a catalyst accelerating the

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<v Speaker 3>approach to a diplomatic impasse. In addition, the seeking and

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<v Speaker 3>deaths of a US sailor's rallied American opinion more strongly

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<v Speaker 3>behind armed intervention. Well, isn't that kind of like starting

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<v Speaker 3>the war? I mean this samanthic crap. I mean, come on,

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<v Speaker 3>let's see okay. Lastly, in nineteen eleven, the Navy Department

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<v Speaker 3>ordered a second board of inquiry after Congress voted funds

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<v Speaker 3>for the removal of the wreck of Maine from Havana harbor.

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<v Speaker 3>US Army engineers built a coffer dam around the silken battleship.

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<v Speaker 3>Thus exposing it and giving naval investigators an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>examine a photograph the wreckage and detail finding the bottom

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<v Speaker 3>hull plates in the area of the reserve six inch

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<v Speaker 3>magazine bent inward and backed. The nineteen eleven board concluded

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<v Speaker 3>that a mine had detonated under the magazine, causing the

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<v Speaker 3>explosion that destroyed the ship, but it gets better. Technical

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<v Speaker 3>experts at the time of both investigations disagree with the findings,

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<v Speaker 3>believing that spontaneous combustion of coal in the bunker adjacent

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<v Speaker 3>to the reserved six inch magazine was the most likely

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<v Speaker 3>cause of the explosion on board the ship. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>seventy six, Admiral Hyman G. Rickover published his book How

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<v Speaker 3>the Battleship Maine Was Destroyed. The admiral became interested in

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<v Speaker 3>the disaster and wondered if application of minor and scientific

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<v Speaker 3>on explosions and their effects on ship hulls. Using documentation

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<v Speaker 3>gathered from the two official inquiries, as well as information

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<v Speaker 3>on the construction and ammunition of Maine, the experts concluded

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<v Speaker 3>that the damage cause to the ship was inconsistent with

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<v Speaker 3>the eternal external explosion of a mine. The most likely cause,

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<v Speaker 3>they speculated, was spontaneous combustion of coal in the bunker

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<v Speaker 3>next to the magazine. Now, the question was whether or

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<v Speaker 3>not there was sabotage, but in foreshadowing what took place

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<v Speaker 3>at nine to eleven at the World Trade Towers, the

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<v Speaker 3>whole that was in question was removed by the army

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<v Speaker 3>and kind of like disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gee, what a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean the smoking gun gets carried away, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you where that came from. That came from

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<v Speaker 3>a documentary on the History Channel that I saw, and

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<v Speaker 3>I had a laugh because they could even today have

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<v Speaker 3>concluded positively what the cause was, and they just can't

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<v Speaker 3>find the piece. Maybe it's a staten island with all

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<v Speaker 1>So there you have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they did. They did the same exact thing at

423
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<v Speaker 2>the several sites of nine to eleven, didn't they, Yeah,

424
00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:45.559
<v Speaker 2>removing the evidence hurriedly.

425
00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

426
00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh and Oklahoma City bombing too, it I believe, Yeah,

427
00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:52.519
<v Speaker 2>but we'll get to them.

428
00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

429
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<v Speaker 3>All right, So there you have the USS main. Now

430
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<v Speaker 3>Elusitania is sunk on May seven, nineteen fifteen, and of

431
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:02.759
<v Speaker 3>course we were brought up in the United States to

432
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<v Speaker 3>believe that Germany was really bad guys, And how dare

433
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:06.599
<v Speaker 3>you sink a passenger ship?

434
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<v Speaker 1>You really sucked and let's go to war.

435
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<v Speaker 3>How else would you going to get basically isolationist the

436
00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:14.400
<v Speaker 3>Americans to want to get involved in something like that,

437
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:15.960
<v Speaker 3>And that did not hurt.

438
00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's just put it that way.

439
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Although if you think about it, I mean, how many

440
00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:22.319
<v Speaker 3>normal like regular hoypoloit people were on the Lucifania. I

441
00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:23.960
<v Speaker 3>think you had a little bit of coin to get

442
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:25.119
<v Speaker 3>on that boat, you know what I mean?

443
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:29.039
<v Speaker 2>But still yeah, yeah, like the Titanic, Yeah, you had

444
00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:29.480
<v Speaker 2>to be rich.

445
00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:33.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh there's another one for you too, THEO you

446
00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.559
<v Speaker 1>had to send an email about asking folks, what's the

447
00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:40.680
<v Speaker 1>big deal with what I called the Eyes of April?

448
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:41.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

449
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know whatever. It takes place between the fourteenth

450
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and the nineteenth or whatever. It is, all right, some high.

451
00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Holy day in ancient Paganism, isn't it?

452
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess? I mean what is it?

453
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Earth Day, as the Cooker explained, was also

454
00:24:56.759 --> 00:24:58.680
<v Speaker 3>during that time, so I mean you got your little

455
00:24:58.720 --> 00:24:59.519
<v Speaker 3>pagan ties to it, but.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Still in all. You know, it's the birthday to Hitler

457
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:02.279
<v Speaker 1>on the eighteenth.

458
00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:06.599
<v Speaker 3>You got the patriot thing happening, going back to Bunker Hill,

459
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.559
<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah. And then there's Kylumbine happened and okay,

460
00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:12.720
<v Speaker 3>see happened during that time, and it's tax Day and

461
00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:15.640
<v Speaker 3>all this other stuff. So and by the way, the

462
00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.240
<v Speaker 3>Titanic sunk during that week. Also, it's why I bring

463
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:21.839
<v Speaker 3>it up, I don't know. But here we have a

464
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:29.200
<v Speaker 3>sacrifice of citizens innocence to foment war. And there's a

465
00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:33.279
<v Speaker 3>book which I think is excellent, written by Colin Simpson

466
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:40.519
<v Speaker 3>titled very simply The Lusitania. And he has documentation. He's

467
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:47.039
<v Speaker 3>included images of letters and of I guess bill of

468
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:50.160
<v Speaker 3>ladings and everything. I mean, he's done his homework. And

469
00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:54.920
<v Speaker 3>there is no doubt at all that the United States

470
00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:59.759
<v Speaker 3>and Britain were engaging in using passengers as shields for

471
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:07.920
<v Speaker 3>the transportation of munitions, stores other elements of aid that

472
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.599
<v Speaker 3>the United States was giving Britain in her battle with Germany.

473
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:16.240
<v Speaker 3>Now we're supposed to think that the Germans just down

474
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<v Speaker 3>to the Lusitania, that it had no military advantage, but

475
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:23.240
<v Speaker 3>it did, and everybody knew it for the most part.

476
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:26.319
<v Speaker 3>I've said it before mentioning it and comes from this

477
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:31.519
<v Speaker 3>book as well, that the Germans wanted a warning circulated

478
00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:33.920
<v Speaker 3>in about fifty newspapers in the United States.

479
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:35.640
<v Speaker 2>They paid for.

480
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:37.759
<v Speaker 1>It, Yeah, they paid for it, but I think one

481
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.359
<v Speaker 1>or two papers did it and no one else did.

482
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:43.039
<v Speaker 2>The des Moines Register was the only one that printed

483
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:43.519
<v Speaker 2>their warning.

484
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:44.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh, the des Moines Register.

485
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and man, there was some powerful string puller or

486
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:54.039
<v Speaker 2>pullars that told is you know, another example of the

487
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:58.359
<v Speaker 2>startling control of the US press, but told all those

488
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:02.119
<v Speaker 2>papers on the Eastern seaport don't run that warning advertisement

489
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.559
<v Speaker 2>that Germany had paid money for.

490
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:06.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

491
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:09.839
<v Speaker 3>And Wilson also got the warning and somehow didn't release

492
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:13.279
<v Speaker 3>it to the public. And as much as I think

493
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:16.359
<v Speaker 3>that he was the person that was supposed to be

494
00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:19.440
<v Speaker 3>in office to allow the creation of the Federal Reserve

495
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:24.960
<v Speaker 3>and also World War One, remember he ran on the plank.

496
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.480
<v Speaker 3>What was it, you know, we'll keep your boys out

497
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:32.759
<v Speaker 3>of war. Yeah, okay, yeah, absolutely. But you get a

498
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:34.880
<v Speaker 3>feeling at least that there was some infighting going on,

499
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:38.000
<v Speaker 3>if there in fact really was, but that Wilson was

500
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.960
<v Speaker 3>torn between two factions. Actually was a faction of one

501
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:49.559
<v Speaker 3>his current Secretary of State, William Jennings Bryan, who was

502
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:55.759
<v Speaker 3>trying to impress upon Wilson the need to you know,

503
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:58.119
<v Speaker 3>not get into war. Let's settle this thing, we can

504
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:02.640
<v Speaker 3>do it and her. But of course he failed. Those

505
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:09.200
<v Speaker 3>who did win was this nexus that comprised Robert Lansing,

506
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.240
<v Speaker 3>who happens to be the uncle of the Dullest brothers,

507
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:18.880
<v Speaker 3>so you know, it's all enough family. He and Joseph Tummelty,

508
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.039
<v Speaker 3>who's a figure that kind of like gets forgotten about

509
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.960
<v Speaker 3>because of the third member of this triad, and that

510
00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:31.400
<v Speaker 3>was Colonel mandel House. Those three supposedly were in Wilson's

511
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:33.839
<v Speaker 3>ear to like, let's go to war and kick some booty.

512
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:38.240
<v Speaker 3>And Brian resigned over what took place or didn't take

513
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:42.240
<v Speaker 3>place with the president with regard to Lusitania. And the

514
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:44.119
<v Speaker 3>person who got his job is the one who wanted it,

515
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:48.640
<v Speaker 3>that was Lancing. So and off we went into war

516
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.720
<v Speaker 3>now again. If you can get a chance to read

517
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 3>this book, it's it's very very compelling. I'm just gonna

518
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:59.319
<v Speaker 3>hit you with a couple of paragraphs if you will

519
00:28:59.400 --> 00:28:59.880
<v Speaker 3>indulge me.

520
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a great book.

521
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.200
<v Speaker 3>It says, let's see, all right, they talk all right,

522
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.119
<v Speaker 3>they talk about there would been there would have been

523
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 3>an eventual meeting between the.

524
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.079
<v Speaker 1>U boat that was out in that channel.

525
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 3>Behind Ireland, and of course which would lead to the

526
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:23.519
<v Speaker 3>west side of the UK and Liverpool where it was headed. Uh,

527
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 3>and I'll just pick it up there, It said. U

528
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:30.240
<v Speaker 3>twenty is the submarine involved. It said if the U

529
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 3>twenty remained stationary, the two meeting that submarine in the Lusitania,

530
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:37.880
<v Speaker 3>they would meet at door in the following morning, with

531
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.759
<v Speaker 3>the Juno in the area close by. But Juno was

532
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:44.599
<v Speaker 3>being sent out as protection to bring the Lusitania all

533
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:45.200
<v Speaker 3>the way home.

534
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.279
<v Speaker 1>If the U two, I'm sorry, if the U twenty.

535
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<v Speaker 3>Turned west, then the rendezvous would be even sooner, because

536
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.559
<v Speaker 3>if you can imagine, well, if you can visualize this,

537
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 3>the U boat, the U twenty was kind of southeast

538
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:03.799
<v Speaker 3>of the southeast corner of Ireland, and so if it

539
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:06.519
<v Speaker 3>went west, it would be moving toward the Lusitania, who

540
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:12.400
<v Speaker 3>is making its way northeast up to Liverpool, it said.

541
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.519
<v Speaker 3>Admiral Oliver drew to Churchill's attention to fact that the

542
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:21.599
<v Speaker 3>Juno was unsuitable for exposure to submarine attack without escort,

543
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:25.759
<v Speaker 3>and suggested that elements of the destroyer flotilla from Milford

544
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.720
<v Speaker 3>Haven should be sent forthwith to her assistance. All Right,

545
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:33.240
<v Speaker 3>it says at this juncture the Admiralty War Diary stops short,

546
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.359
<v Speaker 3>perhaps understandably, as it was here the decision was made

547
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.079
<v Speaker 3>that was to be the direct cause of the disaster.

548
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:43.640
<v Speaker 3>No one alive today knows who made it, but Churchill

549
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.759
<v Speaker 3>and Fisher, both of them were in the higher ups

550
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 3>in the navy, must share the responsibility. Shortly afternoon on

551
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:55.559
<v Speaker 3>May fifth, the Admiralty signaled the Juno to abandon her

552
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.039
<v Speaker 3>escort mission and return to Queenstown. She was to travel

553
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.000
<v Speaker 3>southeast overnight so as to clear the fast Neet by

554
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:06.079
<v Speaker 3>some fifty miles in undercover of darkness. The Lusitania was

555
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:09.400
<v Speaker 3>not informed that she was now alone and closing every

556
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:14.200
<v Speaker 3>minute to the U twenty. Adamal Coke at Queenstown was

557
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 3>informed of the order and instructed to protect the Lusitania

558
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.720
<v Speaker 3>as best he could. Coke, in turn, did not warn

559
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:25.400
<v Speaker 3>the Lusitania. They sent those people to their deaths, and

560
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:31.480
<v Speaker 3>they had ample opportunity to forestall any kind of incident.

561
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:35.920
<v Speaker 3>Even if the Lusitania had taken a shot and the

562
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 3>juno were there or anybody was there where there was

563
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:43.359
<v Speaker 3>this fleet out of milfred Haven, there would have been

564
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:46.400
<v Speaker 3>the loss of life. And where we're going to is

565
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:48.160
<v Speaker 3>that the one torpedo.

566
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:49.400
<v Speaker 1>There were not two.

567
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.319
<v Speaker 3>Torpedoes fired by the sub. There was one that would

568
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.519
<v Speaker 3>not have sunk the Lusitania. It was the second explosion

569
00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.519
<v Speaker 3>in the damage it did that sunk the Lusitania like a.

570
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Rock, cutting off the communication and not telling the people

571
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>that needed to know that they're going to repeat that pattern.

572
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:06.400
<v Speaker 2>And when we get to.

573
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Pearl Harbor, yeah, I mean they were just sent out

574
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:10.720
<v Speaker 1>and hung out to drive. Yeah.

575
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:15.640
<v Speaker 3>And what's even more heartbreaking to consider, excuse me, that

576
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 3>these people were in were in sight of land at

577
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 3>least to their west and possibly to their east. I

578
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:22.960
<v Speaker 3>mean there was land about and they were never going

579
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 3>to reach the shores alive. Okay, now here we go

580
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.119
<v Speaker 3>with the cover up real quick. The State Department cleared

581
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.680
<v Speaker 3>their archive for public inspection in nineteen sixty five, but

582
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:38.079
<v Speaker 3>of the copy sent to the Border of Trade, though

583
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.640
<v Speaker 3>at the time of the nineteen fifty inquiry, they would

584
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:44.240
<v Speaker 3>have been invaluable in determining many of the mysteries surrounding Lusitania.

585
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:48.400
<v Speaker 3>No trace remains except the acknowledgment to mister Frost of

586
00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:54.200
<v Speaker 3>their safe receipt. The Border of Trade took depositions from

587
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:56.319
<v Speaker 3>every one of the two hundred and eighty nine members

588
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:59.279
<v Speaker 3>of the crew who survived. Only thirteen of these are

589
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.160
<v Speaker 3>available at the Public Record Office, and they all possess

590
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:07.720
<v Speaker 3>a curious lack of originality without exception, even though signed

591
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:11.279
<v Speaker 3>with a mark by a literate seaman. They placed the

592
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 3>torpedoes impact as well aft amidship or both. I won't

593
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:16.680
<v Speaker 3>go on any more about that, but here's the point.

594
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:23.359
<v Speaker 3>Survivors did reach both coasts. The first ones reached alive

595
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.680
<v Speaker 3>to Ireland's coast and State Department people took down the

596
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:32.000
<v Speaker 3>Affid Davids, their testimonies, their eyewitness accounts of what happened.

597
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:33.880
<v Speaker 1>All of them got lost.

598
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.440
<v Speaker 3>The British boarder traded did the same thing with those

599
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.480
<v Speaker 3>that were going to contradict what England's take would be

600
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:45.759
<v Speaker 3>on it. And so they get these two hundred and

601
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:50.119
<v Speaker 3>eighty some on seamen to basically sign a boilerplate Affid

602
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.480
<v Speaker 3>David about and it was critical as to where the

603
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.680
<v Speaker 3>torpedo hit. But they got lost.

604
00:33:57.640 --> 00:33:58.400
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing.

605
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:00.079
<v Speaker 1>It took a low.

606
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, except for the Siemens affidavits, which were cooked and,

607
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:12.039
<v Speaker 3>as we were stated, lacking an originality. So it was

608
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:13.960
<v Speaker 3>like signed here, this is what you saw, go away.

609
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.719
<v Speaker 3>Now what happened was and I'll let this be the

610
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:19.440
<v Speaker 3>end of it. You got to read this thing.

611
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.760
<v Speaker 2>But what's the name of the book again?

612
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 3>Elusitania by Colin Simpson was written in nineteen seventy two.

613
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:32.599
<v Speaker 3>Now there's a problem now for America because in fact

614
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.880
<v Speaker 3>they were sending passengers over a shields and that Germany

615
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:40.760
<v Speaker 3>did everything it could to dissuade them from doing that.

616
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:42.760
<v Speaker 1>And they were in their element.

617
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:46.599
<v Speaker 3>They were if you want to call the rules of engagement,

618
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.679
<v Speaker 3>they were definitely supported in their stance.

619
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 1>What they did was allowed.

620
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>We talked about that before we were using human shields.

621
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I mean, and Germany tries to say, look,

622
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:01.480
<v Speaker 3>don't do this, and they did it because Germany didn't

623
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:04.119
<v Speaker 3>want war with the United States, so they did everything

624
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.159
<v Speaker 3>they could. They try to appease America. But I mean,

625
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:07.719
<v Speaker 3>if you're not going to listen, what else can you do.

626
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:13.199
<v Speaker 3>But the whole controversy around the Lusitania was that the

627
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:16.559
<v Speaker 3>Germans shot two torpedoes and they did not, and they

628
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:18.440
<v Speaker 3>proved they didn't. They shot one and then there was

629
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 3>a second explosion which either was set or was the

630
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:25.039
<v Speaker 3>result of the first torpedo. But had those munitions not

631
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:28.280
<v Speaker 3>been there, the Lusitania would not have sunk. And so

632
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.039
<v Speaker 3>what happens is they run this by government legal to

633
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 3>see where they're at as far as their status and

634
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:36.679
<v Speaker 3>how they should proceed, because they were stuck in the

635
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:43.159
<v Speaker 3>sense between Britain and Germany, both countries were equally in

636
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:45.880
<v Speaker 3>favorable status with the United States. So here's what the

637
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.679
<v Speaker 3>government legal came back with. This is beautiful six quick points.

638
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:53.440
<v Speaker 3>Britain had obliterated the distinction between merchantmen and men of war.

639
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:57.280
<v Speaker 3>Therefore Germany had every right to sink the Lusitania, and

640
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.119
<v Speaker 3>Germany had not sunk to Lusitania, that a valuable cargo

641
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:04.760
<v Speaker 3>of munitions would have passed through to germans enemies Germany's enemies.

642
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 3>There was no basis at international law for the United

643
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 3>States claim that the life of an American citizen was

644
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:14.360
<v Speaker 3>sacris act even when aboard a belligerent ship of any category.

645
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:18.119
<v Speaker 3>That England had recognized this fact during the Russo Japanese war,

646
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:21.559
<v Speaker 3>and had published a warning to her citizens against taking

647
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:25.159
<v Speaker 3>passage in belligerent vessels. And lastly that the owners and

648
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:28.239
<v Speaker 3>operators of the Lusitania appeared to have committed a breach

649
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.320
<v Speaker 3>of Section five of the Passenger Act of the Navigational

650
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:34.119
<v Speaker 3>Laws of the United States. So here Britain had turned

651
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.039
<v Speaker 3>around and done the same thing that Germany did in

652
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 3>the sense, but this time ignored it because it suited

653
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:43.519
<v Speaker 3>their purposes to get the United States eventually fully fledged

654
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:45.400
<v Speaker 3>in a war, although they did not come in for

655
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:50.760
<v Speaker 3>another two years plus. But you know, one of the

656
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.400
<v Speaker 3>visuals that would would have to grab you is that

657
00:36:54.559 --> 00:37:00.679
<v Speaker 3>one guy in a life jacket just jumped off of

658
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:05.960
<v Speaker 3>the sinking Lusitania and was kind of exhausted and in

659
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 3>shock and everything else, but recalls floating on his back

660
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:17.119
<v Speaker 3>amongst several what they call Moses baskets, in which there

661
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 3>were babies from the nursery who had returned for a

662
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:24.159
<v Speaker 3>nap after their lunch. And he said he laid among

663
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 3>them and listened to the cries, you know, several of them,

664
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.599
<v Speaker 3>until finally they were all still. They were drowned in

665
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:32.760
<v Speaker 3>their Moses baskets.

666
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh Man you know, how can you stomach that? You know,

667
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:38.599
<v Speaker 1>not Almighty?

668
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:40.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's Britain that was wrong, not Germany.

669
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:44.639
<v Speaker 3>And America was too. The United States was just as complicit.

670
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:47.800
<v Speaker 3>So there you have it, you know, anything to start

671
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 3>a war.

672
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now we go to.

673
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:52.079
<v Speaker 3>Pearl, which I guess most people are more familiar with.

674
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:56.159
<v Speaker 3>But I'm gonna throw it to you because now you

675
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.159
<v Speaker 3>had been your possession. As you said a couple of

676
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:02.599
<v Speaker 3>shows back, you do have of the final secret of

677
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Pearl Harbor?

678
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Is that correct? Yeah?

679
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.480
<v Speaker 2>By admiral were Admiral Robert Theobald?

680
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Uh? Do you want to do you want to

681
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:12.400
<v Speaker 1>sum up what you got from that? Please?

682
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic book that was written in the what the mid

683
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:22.920
<v Speaker 2>fifties by a military admiral who was there. He was

684
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:29.320
<v Speaker 2>present for Pearl Harbor when what capacity I forget?

685
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:31.559
<v Speaker 1>But he he was there, and.

686
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:39.880
<v Speaker 2>He writes that Admiral Kimmel was a scapegoat and also

687
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Admiral I'm sorry, General Short with the Army. Both those

688
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:48.360
<v Speaker 2>guys they were they were the scapegoat. And he boy

689
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.760
<v Speaker 2>the tone in his book, he's very angry. He knows

690
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:54.039
<v Speaker 2>he's right, he knows these the men who died at

691
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Pearl Harbor were set up to die because FDR in

692
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:01.760
<v Speaker 2>his cabinet wanted a war with Japan. And that includes

693
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:09.000
<v Speaker 2>General Marshall. He was in on it too. And Theobald

694
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.719
<v Speaker 2>proves that the United States that that FDR and his

695
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:17.599
<v Speaker 2>cabinet anyway, I had years before I think if if

696
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:22.519
<v Speaker 2>months or years before, they had thoroughly broken the Japanese

697
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.079
<v Speaker 2>secret code, and we're reading all of their messages, and

698
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:29.880
<v Speaker 2>they knew that Japan was going to attack, and there

699
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 2>was a certain machine by which they could read the

700
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:38.320
<v Speaker 2>codes of Japan. And was it the Purple machine. May

701
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I forget what it's called. But they gave these machines

702
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:45.639
<v Speaker 2>out to all of their outposts all along the Pacific,

703
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 2>and Guam had won, the Philippines had one, even the Dutch,

704
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:56.039
<v Speaker 2>they gave one to the Dutch in Yeah, where in

705
00:39:56.159 --> 00:40:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Micronesia the Dutch were. But the one FLA they didn't

706
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>give this intercepting code intercepting machine was Hawaii and they

707
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:11.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't they and also the Japanese. I can't forget it,

708
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.880
<v Speaker 2>if I can't remember if Theobald gets into this or

709
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.960
<v Speaker 2>two later authors who wrote about this do certainly, but

710
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:22.719
<v Speaker 2>also the Japanese did not. They failed to maintain radio

711
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:28.239
<v Speaker 2>silence en route to Hawaii, and so we knew they

712
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.480
<v Speaker 2>were coming and we let them attack them with a

713
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:37.920
<v Speaker 2>We wanted it. We needed a pretext to get into

714
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 2>that war because they were even though it was secondary,

715
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:43.719
<v Speaker 2>we wanted war with Germany first of all, to again

716
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:48.360
<v Speaker 2>help out our master and controller mother Britain.

717
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was it, because there was a tripod agreement

718
00:40:55.199 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 3>whereupon if Germany, Italy or Japan were attacked, attack one

719
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.960
<v Speaker 3>was an attack on all. So with the war declared

720
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:09.760
<v Speaker 3>in Japan, the government got its war with Germany, which

721
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.679
<v Speaker 3>again the American people were kind of not interested in

722
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.920
<v Speaker 3>getting involved. I mean, the pulse of the American people

723
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 3>prior to World War One and two both times were like,

724
00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 3>don't get us involved. That's like a European thing. And

725
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.000
<v Speaker 3>although you could say, well, look at all the devastation

726
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:27.480
<v Speaker 3>and the destruction and the loss of life that was.

727
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:32.440
<v Speaker 3>Everybody understands that. But that doesn't mean you have to

728
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:34.800
<v Speaker 3>go over and jump in. But I'm sure that there

729
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:38.800
<v Speaker 3>are you know, millions of French and Polish and Dutch

730
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:41.880
<v Speaker 3>and other nationalities. We're very happy to see the Americans

731
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:43.039
<v Speaker 3>there there's no doubt about it.

732
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:48.280
<v Speaker 1>But still in all we were not inclined to get involved.

733
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.400
<v Speaker 2>So that's what Europe does going back millennia. They fight.

734
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Let them fight. That's why we got out of there,

735
00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:56.960
<v Speaker 2>all right.

736
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.559
<v Speaker 3>Now, I got this book which I bought and donate

737
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:05.119
<v Speaker 3>it to Saint Leo Library, title Day of Deceit The

738
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:08.079
<v Speaker 3>Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor. That's a great book

739
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:11.280
<v Speaker 3>that was written by Roberts Dennett, who served in the

740
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:15.119
<v Speaker 3>United States Navy from forty two to forty six out

741
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:19.760
<v Speaker 3>in the Pacific, and then he was able to obtain

742
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:24.079
<v Speaker 3>a number of documents here to four confidential through FOYA.

743
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:26.719
<v Speaker 1>But one of the things that's really interesting is this.

744
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:32.760
<v Speaker 3>This is great, all right. This is a dispatch from Tokyo.

745
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:39.679
<v Speaker 3>The asset's name is Mattsuwaka to Berlin, to Oshima. This

746
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 3>is May five, nineteen forty one, and in parentheses and

747
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 3>you'll love to stand it and says purple hyphen ca.

748
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 3>So there's your purple machine, all right, all right, and

749
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 3>it says now get this all right, So this between

750
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:57.320
<v Speaker 3>German excuse me, Japanese assets one in Tokyo one to Berlin.

751
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.960
<v Speaker 3>Please express our appreciation to and this is an acronym

752
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:07.199
<v Speaker 3>Stamma staamaa to Stamma for the information in question, and

753
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.039
<v Speaker 3>ask him if it is not possible to give us

754
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.719
<v Speaker 3>the authority for the statement that it has been fairly

755
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.840
<v Speaker 3>reliably established that the US government is reading our code

756
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 3>messages so that we might take appropriate action. All right,

757
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 3>So now, in May of nineteen forty one, the Japanese

758
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:25.480
<v Speaker 3>knew their code.

759
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Had been broken, and just to huh, they even knew.

760
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.760
<v Speaker 3>I guess when certain things are stopped that you don't

761
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:37.960
<v Speaker 3>think anybody knows you were trying to perpetrate.

762
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:40.840
<v Speaker 1>After a while, it's like, does somebody have foreknowledge of this?

763
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.440
<v Speaker 3>And just real quickly, it says Japanese admirals, believing that

764
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 3>their naval codes were secure, filled the intelligence pipeline with

765
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.679
<v Speaker 3>messages that made clear their intentions during the week's preceding

766
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:57.079
<v Speaker 3>pro harbor for these disclosures, where radio messages originated between

767
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:00.400
<v Speaker 3>November five and December two, nineteen forty one one by

768
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 3>Admiral Assami Nagano, chief of the Naval General Staff, And

769
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:09.159
<v Speaker 3>it goes on and blah blah blah, and they kept

770
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:12.639
<v Speaker 3>hoping stuff out in preparation for this for the oncoming war.

771
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:18.960
<v Speaker 2>What I like about Stinnett's book he adds one more

772
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:20.800
<v Speaker 2>thing because it's written at a later date, and he

773
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:25.880
<v Speaker 2>did go get those freedom of information acts Theobold and

774
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:30.079
<v Speaker 2>another guy, John Toland. They covered all the many of

775
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 2>the acts of provocation that FDR and his henchman did

776
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:39.159
<v Speaker 2>to provoke Germany into attacking, like the embargo on the

777
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:44.320
<v Speaker 2>oil and freezing their economic assets and sending the volunteer

778
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:48.760
<v Speaker 2>mercenaries over to China, that flying tigers, General Chanalt and

779
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:52.559
<v Speaker 2>all that. But Stinette also adds this, which I didn't

780
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:57.960
<v Speaker 2>know about until I read his book. FDR had, you know,

781
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:00.119
<v Speaker 2>the men around him who told him what to do.

782
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.719
<v Speaker 2>They we had cruisers, like they would send a lone

783
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.880
<v Speaker 2>cruiser in deep into Japanese water to just pop up

784
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and make itself known. And then when the Japanese would

785
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.320
<v Speaker 2>send a shipped out to stop it and see what's

786
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:19.840
<v Speaker 2>going on, and then they would the American ship would

787
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:21.679
<v Speaker 2>high tail it out of there. But we would we

788
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.320
<v Speaker 2>would do that to just provoke them, to mess with them.

789
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, if there was an instigation that cause them

790
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.519
<v Speaker 3>to attack. I mean, this is why we were doing this,

791
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:31.800
<v Speaker 3>because it's not unlike what was used a fort sumter

792
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:33.960
<v Speaker 3>in a sense, if you know what I mean, you

793
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:35.559
<v Speaker 3>know you're looking for something to start a fight, So

794
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:40.920
<v Speaker 3>obviously you do whatever is obvious and when and when

795
00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:45.199
<v Speaker 3>it's violated. For instance, if the union leaves, therefore it

796
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:46.800
<v Speaker 3>something there in their possession.

797
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:49.559
<v Speaker 1>You got a problem, all right. So what you're asking,

798
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:51.079
<v Speaker 1>you're asking for it to be attacked.

799
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.599
<v Speaker 3>Uh. And once something occurs, Bang, you got your same

800
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:57.119
<v Speaker 3>thing here, you know, go to Japanese. All right, they're

801
00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.599
<v Speaker 3>going to go to Pearl Harbor. We'll make believe we

802
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.719
<v Speaker 3>don't know. Bang it happens. Now we get a war.

803
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:06.199
<v Speaker 3>The last paragraph of this particular part of the afterword

804
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Instant's book, and if anybody's given to wanting to purchase this,

805
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:13.039
<v Speaker 3>get an addition that's two thousand and one or later,

806
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:19.239
<v Speaker 3>because it contains images and more text that was not

807
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:24.760
<v Speaker 3>available in the first edition or those whatever editions were

808
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.719
<v Speaker 3>prior to two thousand and one. Stenet closes is one

809
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 3>section by saying, by continuing to classify Japanese naval intercepts

810
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:34.400
<v Speaker 3>and their communication and de coding data as a national

811
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 3>defense secret, the National Security Agency has done a disservice

812
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:41.599
<v Speaker 3>to the excellent prhotographers and the radio intelligence obtained by

813
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:44.239
<v Speaker 3>monitor stations operated by the US and her allies in

814
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:48.000
<v Speaker 3>nineteen forty one, as well as to history herself. The

815
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.039
<v Speaker 3>author rest ofmates, there are at least one hundred and

816
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 3>forty three thousand Japanese naval intercepts, plus supporting communication data

817
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:57.440
<v Speaker 3>that remain unseen in the nineteen forty one US Navy files,

818
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:00.679
<v Speaker 3>And finally says, nevertheless, the major secrets of Pearl Harbor

819
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:03.559
<v Speaker 3>or at last out in the open after years of denial.

820
00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:06.719
<v Speaker 3>The truth is clear. We knew, and they did know.

821
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:10.320
<v Speaker 3>And I had to laugh because there was a book

822
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:14.079
<v Speaker 3>that came out the kind of I guess to Parry,

823
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:22.079
<v Speaker 3>at least Theobold's book, and I was gifted with it

824
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.679
<v Speaker 3>by a listener. And when I had a laugh, was

825
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:26.519
<v Speaker 3>this is gonna be the true story of Pearl Harbor.

826
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.960
<v Speaker 3>And it was written by an author who was giving

827
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:36.000
<v Speaker 3>full reign to just pursue every avenue, by Stimpson, who

828
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 3>was one of the bastards who knew that the Japs

829
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.400
<v Speaker 3>were coming and was in FDR's cabinet.

830
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, three of the most horrible people who knew about

831
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:50.199
<v Speaker 2>all this were of course FDR and Stimson and General Marshall.

832
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I mean Stimpson and then saying I mean,

833
00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 3>see this is what you gotta love. But you see,

834
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:57.119
<v Speaker 3>this is why there was always a problem. This is

835
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:02.480
<v Speaker 3>what begats conspiracy theories, and that is the works that

836
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:05.840
<v Speaker 3>are beauty pieces or hit pieces, depending on what they

837
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:09.880
<v Speaker 3>want to do to support the government and the history

838
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:14.480
<v Speaker 3>textbook stories are always promoted. The ones that have something

839
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:18.079
<v Speaker 3>to say differently never get promoted. They're out there, but

840
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:20.719
<v Speaker 3>more or less, how many people are paying attention or

841
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.199
<v Speaker 3>even honestly, how many people know they're out there? And

842
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<v Speaker 3>that was the whole idea. So they don't suppress the

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<v Speaker 3>books necessarily though that happens as well, but that they're

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<v Speaker 3>just not promoted. So nobody knows. So does anybody know

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<v Speaker 3>about Theobald's book it's the next book?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not.

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<v Speaker 3>Does anybody know about this other book that came out

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<v Speaker 3>that was backed by the government. Yes, And the person

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<v Speaker 3>said it to me saying, like, you know, for obvious reasons,

850
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<v Speaker 3>I'm sending you this because that's their side of the story.

851
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<v Speaker 3>But how can Stimpson, who was one of the purpose

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<v Speaker 3>turn around and say this is going to be an

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<v Speaker 3>honest account, and this individual can go wherever he wants

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<v Speaker 3>to go.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, make me puke, will you please.

856
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<v Speaker 2>And also the other henchmen withinside knowledge, the General Marshall

857
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<v Speaker 2>al he was one of the instigators that started the war,

858
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<v Speaker 2>got us into the war, and then after the war

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<v Speaker 2>he was put in charge of you know what we

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<v Speaker 2>now call the Marshall Plan. And you had talked to

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<v Speaker 2>somebody that totally proved that. In Europe, it's known and

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<v Speaker 2>documented that that was all about Marshall signing off on

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<v Speaker 2>getting the US taxpayer to rebuild.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was that's right. That that particular woman is

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<v Speaker 1>a Christian missionary. But in this one particular.

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<v Speaker 3>Situation, she accompanied her sister, who was a prop and

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<v Speaker 3>who was attending some kind of conference and I believe Austria,

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<v Speaker 3>and she accompanied her. And so while her sister was

869
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<v Speaker 3>busy with the things of the conference, she was allowed

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<v Speaker 3>to walk around certain buildings and she got herself into

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of a library.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's she's the.

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<v Speaker 3>One that just had said to me. She said she

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<v Speaker 3>was amazed when she went in there. She said, she

875
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<v Speaker 3>found every single volume of IRS codes and laws and

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<v Speaker 3>everything else. And as she went through stuff, she said. Yeah,

877
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<v Speaker 3>she had come away, she would be saying, you know what,

878
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<v Speaker 3>the American people paid for the Marshall Plan. In other words,

879
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<v Speaker 3>our military and the Allied military destroyed the whole place,

880
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<v Speaker 3>and American taxpayer is paid to reconstruct it.

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<v Speaker 2>So Marshall gets America into that war and then he

882
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<v Speaker 2>sticks us with the bill.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go. Fantastic works every time.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, look, yeah, we'll make this a part two situation,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think we probably should do it with some

886
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<v Speaker 3>proximity to this one, but with some distance, because we'll

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<v Speaker 3>find out what's going on with the second suspect of

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<v Speaker 3>this whole situation up in Boston. So all right, listen,

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate it THEO, thanks for coming aboard, and we'll

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<v Speaker 3>pick this up as part too.
