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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to I on the Ball
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Speaker 3: not Jaganzalez, He's Troy Hutchinson from goezycats dot Com. You've
Speaker 3: got our guy Ryan with us today. It's bring your
Speaker 3: kid to work today for me. What are you about
Speaker 3: twelve ty harl.
Speaker 4: Twenty nine?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have t shirts older than that. Our guy
Speaker 3: Ryan is a little older than that. So it's a
Speaker 3: KAG older kid day. Sorry, I don't have any lunch
Speaker 3: money for you guys. Good to have you, Troy. Did
Speaker 3: you have me Ryan, because otherwise we would have a show. Uh,
Speaker 3: a lot of We're talking about some recruiting. See what's
Speaker 3: going on in UA football. I guess the gates have
Speaker 3: been closed to you guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's.
Speaker 5: All shut down and it's strictly business for Arizona. Brett
Speaker 5: Brennan talked about, you know, wanting to get everybody focused
Speaker 5: in and dialed up for the season ahead, which is
Speaker 5: nine days away, kicking off against New Mexico in Arizona
Speaker 5: Football Stadium.
Speaker 3: Is that What do you think the and everybody has
Speaker 3: their way of doing things right, What do you think
Speaker 3: the reason he's doing the way he's doing it.
Speaker 5: I think it's a little bit of not being at
Speaker 5: a major program before in terms of being a head
Speaker 5: coach and not having so much media at San Jose
Speaker 5: where you come to Arizona. Yeah, five or six media
Speaker 5: members that are at a time now that's nothing can
Speaker 5: bear to you Texas, Oklahoma. But it's a big change,
Speaker 5: and so you know, you are worried about what is
Speaker 5: getting out there. You know, our plays getting out there,
Speaker 5: are injuries getting out there, and you're a new staff.
Speaker 4: You're trying to get everything.
Speaker 5: Together, build something where you can have a potentially really
Speaker 5: great season, and if.
Speaker 4: Too much gets out there, it can hurt you.
Speaker 5: So I think there's a little bit of presitation.
Speaker 4: Are you assuming this? Are you you know this?
Speaker 5: I think a little bit of an assumption. You know,
Speaker 5: stuff gets out in training camp all across.
Speaker 3: The and and it has here an injury you too, right,
Speaker 3: It kind of started a mess.
Speaker 5: But you know, I mean he did talk about all
Speaker 5: McMillan getting injured and eating surgery at the end of.
Speaker 4: Spring trade as you should as you should.
Speaker 5: Have and when you have a player like that, you've
Speaker 5: got to.
Speaker 3: Talk about it sure because guess what, that for sure
Speaker 3: leak out whether a friend, a girlfriend or a friend whatever.
Speaker 3: Oh I saw him in a boot or I saw
Speaker 3: him doing Come on, it's better to be that way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, being transparent is big when you have
Speaker 5: that sort of situation. But you know, you just try
Speaker 5: to protect your players and try to protect the playbook
Speaker 5: as much as possible because as.
Speaker 4: You're learning a new system sort of the players.
Speaker 3: Just real quick, you got a text, Get that I
Speaker 3: forget to tell you that the microphone.
Speaker 4: Get closer to it, just so you're good. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: that'll work.
Speaker 3: That one is that's that's the kind of stifle j
Speaker 3: because that's Jay's mike.
Speaker 4: We got to quiet him. Yeah, we gotta say it.
Speaker 3: Yeahs a silence should have told him that, Yeah, no, thanks,
Speaker 3: just get closer than that's good.
Speaker 4: No, okay, it's all understandable. It's a little.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's a little over the top for me, but
Speaker 3: I understand.
Speaker 5: You know, I think it is a little bit over
Speaker 5: the top, but we've seen previous coaching staffs where you
Speaker 5: watch the first ten minutes of practice, now get the
Speaker 5: hell out, and that you'll be there.
Speaker 4: And say the previous coach, you said, the previous coach
Speaker 4: usual want, Well, that's the Kevin someone era. I had
Speaker 4: that go for him exactly. It didn't matter what the
Speaker 4: hell they're doing.
Speaker 5: No, you know, when you're from Texas and you're housed
Speaker 5: to Houston and all that, you treat it like it's Texas,
Speaker 5: but it's not.
Speaker 3: It's Arizona, right, And and did did anybody give a crap?
Speaker 3: Nobody cared because nobody knew and they didn't play. I mean,
Speaker 3: sometimes it work, and I'm being facetious of course, but
Speaker 3: it didn't work for him. And either way, you didn't
Speaker 3: want to see practice or whatever. And then, uh then fish.
Speaker 5: Fish was pretty open. I think it was a little
Speaker 5: bit less open that he made it seem to be
Speaker 5: at the beginning of his tenure. But I mean, the
Speaker 5: results are what the results are on the field. They
Speaker 5: went from one win to five to ten, so obviously
Speaker 5: they're doing something right in that car.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, no, you ever bring in better players, and
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I don't want to
Speaker 3: go back to fish all the time or even very
Speaker 3: very little good coach.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because because he was able to get talent, Arizona developed.
Speaker 4: The town very much. So yes, okay, why didn't you
Speaker 4: and change as a coach.
Speaker 5: He went from a coach that you questioned his play
Speaker 5: calling into that last season where he became kind of
Speaker 5: a master play caller that year.
Speaker 3: But because you have better players, because he was a
Speaker 3: better play caller.
Speaker 5: I think it's a combination of both, you know. I
Speaker 5: think you develop as a head coach, and your staff
Speaker 5: develops as well, and the roster develops.
Speaker 4: And let's not forget you.
Speaker 5: Know, no, Ifa Fida getting in and Jayden Delor going
Speaker 5: to down probably changed law.
Speaker 3: Fair zone, change the trajectory of the program, and Jet
Speaker 3: obviously he'd still be here.
Speaker 5: He maybe maybe if they had not done that, maybe
Speaker 5: he's at UCLA.
Speaker 4: If he doesn't maybe, But if you're six and five,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. You see only want you, But who
Speaker 4: do they have to turn to you? You want to
Speaker 4: find her? What you feel like fighting one? I'm joking. No,
Speaker 4: you're right, You're right.
Speaker 3: He had connections. Maybe they trust him enough to come
Speaker 3: in and run the ship again. We'll never know, right,
Speaker 3: We'll never know.
Speaker 5: Always the lifts, right gifts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I had turned left in Albuquerque, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: not have been here. Okay, So good, Good to have you, Troy,
Speaker 3: And we're gonna talk to your guy, Matt Moreno here
Speaker 3: in about ten twelve minutes, talk about recruiting. How life
Speaker 3: is in Los Angeles. See if he gets you know,
Speaker 3: ten miles and seven hours. Uh, you're better off here, Troy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I'm good without LA traffic. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of stuff going on at you
Speaker 3: internally at McHale with the right with the desiree coming
Speaker 3: in and kind of you know, being the boss. We
Speaker 3: know know all about that. Football starts here in about
Speaker 3: ten days eight days. Basketball is breaking news with Red
Speaker 3: Blue Games, which is I thought it was a fantastic move. Yeah,
Speaker 3: given that there's a lot of u au A fans
Speaker 3: up in Phoenix.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's a move that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you have the ability to do it, why not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're gonna get a lot of people from Phoenix anyway.
Speaker 5: Usually you're regularly Red and Blue game. Now you're up
Speaker 5: in Glendale. You know, it's kind of like McHale North
Speaker 5: in very many parts of Phoenix there, so you have
Speaker 5: a huge fan base and it just gives them the
Speaker 5: ability to go out there and for the high school
Speaker 5: kids to see them as well.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 3: No, it's a good recruiting tool, fan based type of thing.
Speaker 3: And if it's ten bucks a ticket, you sell seven
Speaker 3: thousand tickets.
Speaker 4: They do need money, that hurt. That helps the budget, yeah.
Speaker 3: Helps so to get out of a mess or to
Speaker 3: can you to pay off some messes? Right, No, I'm
Speaker 3: thinking great idea. Why it should have happened a while back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know the NCAA rule change, which I'm not
Speaker 5: exactly hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, yeah, tell me yeah.
Speaker 5: But it allows them to have another scrimmage like that,
Speaker 5: another showcase. So yeah, I think Arizona is the first
Speaker 5: to announce that they're going to have to Maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 5: but the first major pro that's going to have two showcases.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're very excited about it. Smart move. I don't
Speaker 4: know whose idea that was, but it's a great idea.
Speaker 3: Probably the new marketing team or if there is a
Speaker 3: new marketing team, and maybe it does Ray, why don't
Speaker 3: we go up you know whatever. This is more of
Speaker 3: a Greg Burn type of thing that let's go up
Speaker 3: and own Phoenix. You know what I'm saying, it would
Speaker 3: have been made. It makes it makes sense now to me.
Speaker 3: Some people, one one of my Facebook guys said, just
Speaker 3: another opportunity whatever. It kind of poop pooted, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: why they need money? If they sell seven thousand tickets
Speaker 3: ten dollars a price that helps with something.
Speaker 5: And it expands her fan base. Yeah, yes, there's the
Speaker 5: Phoenix fan base. But you're talking about the new wave
Speaker 5: of Arizona Wildcat fans. So if you're constantly out there
Speaker 5: in Phoenix, they're not gonna want to see ASU basketball.
Speaker 5: They're gonna want to see Arizona basket.
Speaker 3: Here's the issue you're going to go. I'm sure I'm
Speaker 3: going to go up there. I wish it was more interesting,
Speaker 3: and honestly, I'm asking you a tough question. No, it
Speaker 3: easy question. Are these fun?
Speaker 4: No for you or me? No? Not at all, because
Speaker 4: because it's and over glorified practice right to be right right.
Speaker 4: People love it because you see at night.
Speaker 3: Great for them, but for you and I, uh, it's
Speaker 3: it's an over it's it's a it's a it's a Okay,
Speaker 3: it's a scripted thing that it's good for TV, but
Speaker 3: not for in person.
Speaker 5: The only time it was ever interesting after Red and
Speaker 5: Blue game was Aaron Gordon dunk. Right, that's kind of
Speaker 5: gone downhill and some injuries that we have seen.
Speaker 3: Maybe Dunk when he did his dunk over Sean. But
Speaker 3: you're right Smith, the Smith kid from Vegas who got
Speaker 3: hurt in that and didn't come back from his injury.
Speaker 4: A women's bass.
Speaker 5: I believe they entered the dunk contests many years ago
Speaker 5: and one of their players got hurt.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't recall women's.
Speaker 5: Women's women's suits.
Speaker 4: That was before nyabouts right before okay, okay, who was
Speaker 4: gonna dunk?
Speaker 5: I don't remember. They had these two really tall Fords
Speaker 5: that entered the dunk contests and the girl slipped and
Speaker 5: fell on her back. Oh and then she was a
Speaker 5: high level of recruit.
Speaker 3: I love that that didn't I don't remember that, but wow,
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Okay, So good for good for
Speaker 3: the u A. It helps with the marketing and all that.
Speaker 3: I think it's a great move.
Speaker 4: Uh. And to those who think I'm always negative. I
Speaker 4: think it's a great move positivity.
Speaker 3: Hey, I've changed, I've changed my ways. I have my
Speaker 3: two kids there, I gotta be mine my business. Uh okay,
Speaker 3: no cool. And then uh, obviously all the fall sports
Speaker 3: and you covered football, you cover any anything else.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 5: I used to cover soccer a little bit, but I
Speaker 5: kind of haven't been able to.
Speaker 4: Kim Does Kim do that?
Speaker 5: Him does that? She is the main soccer beat writer
Speaker 5: for Arizona journalists that go out there.
Speaker 3: And yeah, sort and and so far, so good for them.
Speaker 3: The new coach or the fairly new coach, Becka has
Speaker 3: done a pretty good job these first couple of days.
Speaker 5: You know, it's a tough job when you're in the
Speaker 5: pack then Pack twelve conference, and now you're going to
Speaker 5: the Big twelve. So the talent level is gonna go
Speaker 5: down a little bit, so which is good. Yeah, it
Speaker 5: is good. And if you're able to succeed in that, yeah,
Speaker 5: then it should be six.
Speaker 4: Did you you know that for sure? That the telling
Speaker 4: those a little different.
Speaker 5: Well, it's compared to the packball when you're talking about
Speaker 5: s c U C l A. You know, there are
Speaker 5: talented teams in the Big twelve, but it's not to
Speaker 5: the level that the packforn.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's pretty much for a lot of the
Speaker 3: a lot of the sports too well. I think Big
Speaker 3: twelve is different in certain depends on the sport. Like
Speaker 3: volleyball's it's very good. Nebraska and all these schools and
Speaker 3: Nebraska Big twelve, no City.
Speaker 4: Yeah they used to be. They're fantastic though they're Big ten.
Speaker 3: Uh So we'll see how the how the volleyball team
Speaker 3: does and and football, I think they have a better chance.
Speaker 3: Uh and basketball it's gonna be fantastic. You had three
Speaker 3: or the four top uh uh nil schools in the
Speaker 3: in the uh in the Big twelve for basketball and
Speaker 3: Arizona it's not in the top eighteen. Not a shock
Speaker 3: to me, not a shock to you.
Speaker 5: No, you know, I think you're talking about for basketball
Speaker 5: in the top eighteen of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, when you look across.
Speaker 5: The country, when you're competing against the programs like Dude North,
Speaker 5: youre Line of Kansas, Kentucky, these are programs where football
Speaker 5: doesn't matter very much and they've been bloods for a
Speaker 5: very long time.
Speaker 3: So who's the number one n I L in basketball?
Speaker 3: Let me throw it out at you.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess Kentucky. No, Arkansas because of.
Speaker 5: Because of the coaching teams over there. That makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah so and I we took this test yesterday with
Speaker 3: with Jay and it was obvious. So you got to
Speaker 3: kind of think, Okay, well I didn't get it, but
Speaker 3: it makes total sense. Kentucky's like seven. It's just uh,
Speaker 3: we'll see, we'll see how it does. We've seen buying
Speaker 3: players doesn't always work Kentucky. Not not that it happens
Speaker 3: at u c l A Kansas.
Speaker 4: We'll see.
Speaker 3: They didn't do great last year, but they didn't have
Speaker 3: one n ca A Tyler or two.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, they got it done, just not on
Speaker 5: the roster they thought they would.
Speaker 4: So right right two years ago right in North Carolina.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, okay, anything else and we'll talk to uh,
Speaker 3: like I said, Matt Modano here in the first hour,
Speaker 3: and then at four seventeen, we're going to talk to
Speaker 3: Ortiz Jenkins. Thank you for getting him. We've had him
Speaker 3: on the show before. We'll talk about the good old
Speaker 3: days of his Leap by the Lake and those teams,
Speaker 3: and then what's he doing now and what's he doing
Speaker 3: now and how much money would ortiz Jenk has been
Speaker 3: making had he been the quarterback you know today, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he'd done pretty.
Speaker 4: Well, lot a lot better than the past.
Speaker 3: Yeah, him and him and the Keith Smith back in
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 4: So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 3: He played for Dictomy obviously, and he played a little
Speaker 3: like a cup of coffee with lut on the basketball team.
Speaker 3: So I want to maybe see what he got from
Speaker 3: either or both of them, you know, in his good
Speaker 3: old days times, because it's been twenty six seven years now,
Speaker 3: I think since he was here.
Speaker 5: I was three. I was three years old on that happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, do you I'm sure you've seen the leap
Speaker 3: by the like the number of times, but do you
Speaker 3: you don't remember anything when you were three.
Speaker 5: No, I don't remember any of it in terms of
Speaker 5: when it happened. But you know that season when you
Speaker 5: go up and down the games that they played, that
Speaker 5: Washington game obviously, the Nebraska GA in the ASU game,
Speaker 5: seeing those highlights and those replay games, talk about one
Speaker 5: of the best teams not only in Arizona history, but
Speaker 5: really in the state of Arizona as.
Speaker 3: Well, right right, and they in Arizona has had you know,
Speaker 3: we talk about this all the time because Jay's the
Speaker 3: historian and for football, four or five teams like that.
Speaker 3: In Arizona history, four or five and that's it. Whether
Speaker 3: it's eight, nine, ten wins or whatever. Now they have
Speaker 3: the curse or whatever you want to see after this year?
Speaker 3: Can they do it again? And that's the thing because
Speaker 3: it's never.
Speaker 4: Been done, never have had a repeat, right right? What
Speaker 4: you say?
Speaker 5: I think they can? M I think they can. I
Speaker 5: think the Big Twelve Conference kind of lines it up
Speaker 5: for them.
Speaker 4: What have you major predictions on the site?
Speaker 5: Not yet, that's going to be coming here soon, but
Speaker 5: Arizona will be high up in the Big twelve rankings.
Speaker 3: Give me a we have a minute left, give me
Speaker 3: a you want to give me a little taste.
Speaker 5: I think Arizona finishes nine and three in the regular
Speaker 5: season in the Big Twelve split the Utah in Kansas
Speaker 5: State series. Oh really, you get one of those, which
Speaker 5: I think will get Kansas State.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think you're sitting prety. But USF is going to
Speaker 5: be really hard Central.
Speaker 4: Forward to everyone's saying that and why.
Speaker 5: Because they have the transfer Jefferson from Arkansas that's a
Speaker 5: really run heavy quarterback. Gus Smells On's there. He's used
Speaker 5: to run heavy quarterbacks. That's a tough light, very tough
Speaker 5: light to go across the country.
Speaker 3: You're nineteen, eighteen twenty, you want to go on those flights?
Speaker 3: You stay up there three in the morning. Anyway, you
Speaker 3: used to this stuff, you kids?
Speaker 5: And maybe the BYU game. I think that could be
Speaker 5: the traffic game.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, and those things happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, let's take a break and get ahold of
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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to I and the Ball here Fox
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Speaker 3: Goasycats dot com and now we have his boss, Matt
Speaker 3: Modane from goas.
Speaker 4: How are you met?
Speaker 8: Being great? Stee? Thanks for having me, guys there for Chia.
Speaker 4: We've got a babysit today. I'll send you my bill. Uh.
Speaker 3: I hope he does anything bad so did jeopardize his job?
Speaker 3: But are you busy?
Speaker 8: Yeah? I mean obviously it's you know, a lot going
Speaker 8: on with you know, across the college football landscape. Games
Speaker 8: are getting ready to go here and so, uh, you know,
Speaker 8: it's it's a busy time. You got. Recruiting is kind
Speaker 8: of going to start picking up again as the season
Speaker 8: gets going, and you know, if you you're able to
Speaker 8: start taking official visits again and once you get there,
Speaker 8: it comes to an end. So it's a busy time.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 8: High school games are getting going right now, so it's
Speaker 8: gonna be a good time to see some of Arizona commits,
Speaker 8: uh commit from other schools, you know, some of the
Speaker 8: top players around the around the area. So yeah, definitely
Speaker 8: a busy time. Everything kind of ramping up to the
Speaker 8: next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: This is a question to both of you guys, because
Speaker 3: you guys do the recruiting stuff, thankfully. Are parents more
Speaker 3: involved now than they were five, six, seventy eight years
Speaker 3: ago given the nil situation, because now they're kind of agents,
Speaker 3: if you will.
Speaker 8: That's a great question, and I would I would think
Speaker 8: that your assessment is pretty accurate. It feels that way
Speaker 8: on my end. I think for those reasons that you mentioned,
Speaker 8: there's you know, money is involved now at at a
Speaker 8: very high level with a lot more people. You know,
Speaker 8: maybe people don't want to think about it. But there's
Speaker 8: money involved before Steve and people maybe didn't come up
Speaker 8: as much, and now that you know, everything is kind
Speaker 8: of out in the open, and then all is part
Speaker 8: of this whole process. I think you do have a
Speaker 8: lot more parents wanting to be involved, a lot of
Speaker 8: you know, the recruits wanting their parents to be involved
Speaker 8: because they don't know how to necessarily maneuvent this whole thing,
Speaker 8: and so it's still a little bit of a free
Speaker 8: for all in a lot of cases. And I think
Speaker 8: parents want to be able to know that you know,
Speaker 8: they're making the right decisions and that they're you know,
Speaker 8: sons are making the right decisions, and so they're definitely
Speaker 8: involved and that could be good in bad. I think
Speaker 8: there's a lot more hands kind of involved in the process,
Speaker 8: maybe overstepping in some ways and you would see you
Speaker 8: know previously, but you know, there's a lot of people involved,
Speaker 8: you know, and a lot of you know, a lot
Speaker 8: of families are kind of maneuvers this whole thing, and
Speaker 8: not everybody has the ability to kind of uh speak
Speaker 8: your device for people who have an idea of what's
Speaker 8: going on in kind of the nil space, and so
Speaker 8: some people do and people have advisors that help them
Speaker 8: through this process and you know, try and get them
Speaker 8: as much money as they can. Others don't, and so
Speaker 8: the parents kind of step in. But I definitely have
Speaker 8: sense and upticks in terms of parents being involved and
Speaker 8: having a hand and kind of you know what what
Speaker 8: happens with these recruits more so than in other years.
Speaker 8: They've always been around. There's always been kind of an
Speaker 8: over overbearing parent who steps into the picture. Who I mean,
Speaker 8: I'm sure you can name some people who see that
Speaker 8: you have kind of dealt with, you know, over the
Speaker 8: years of Arizona, even where you go, Yeah, I remember
Speaker 8: his dad and so that. So there there's a lot there.
Speaker 8: It's been, it's been a thing that's happened before. It
Speaker 8: just feels like it's more widespread where every you know,
Speaker 8: even a regular kind of three star recruit has his
Speaker 8: family and parents and you know, heavily involved. And you
Speaker 8: know that wasn't always necessarily the case when I first started.
Speaker 8: It was it was a lot of a high end
Speaker 8: I you know, five star guys and four star guys
Speaker 8: who maybe didn't want to deal with all of it,
Speaker 8: you know, everything else that comes up the crew and
Speaker 8: you just kind of wanted to play and take a
Speaker 8: school and now it's kind of more widespread. So I
Speaker 8: think you have an accurate idea of kind of what's
Speaker 8: going on there.
Speaker 6: Steep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I would have to agree.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of it is just more out
Speaker 5: there on social media than you've ever seen before because
Speaker 5: it is open, it is legal, an eel and everything.
Speaker 4: What since social media was in terms.
Speaker 5: Of you see parents that are kind of like marketing
Speaker 5: their kids and like, oh, look at what my son
Speaker 5: did today, Look at what my daughter did today.
Speaker 4: Look here's her highlight video.
Speaker 5: Coaches come calling taking an il deals I've seen from
Speaker 5: some parents for the athlete. You didn't see that back then.
Speaker 5: You couldn't have seen that back then. So I think
Speaker 5: it's just more open in terms of what we see
Speaker 5: in front of our faces compared to what it was
Speaker 5: back in the day where don't talk about it.
Speaker 4: Here you go, here's the situation. Wink quink. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So to both of you guys, I'm sure you saw,
Speaker 3: or maybe you didn't, the Gundy piece Laft from last
Speaker 3: week where you talked about No, you're not talking about
Speaker 3: and I we're not talking about more money. It's my
Speaker 3: time to coach. You had your chance before the season started.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about it afterward. But kids are asking for
Speaker 3: more money in season.
Speaker 5: Yeah you know, I mean go ahead, Matt you I
Speaker 5: was gonna say no. I think it's a situation where
Speaker 5: you know, you have these deals in place where coaches say, hey,
Speaker 5: we'll give you this much money to come to this
Speaker 5: program for the kids like, oh, I'll take this much
Speaker 5: money to come that program, and then they get there.
Speaker 5: There's no contracts being inside with nil. There's no like
Speaker 5: legal bounding contract.
Speaker 4: Well there's not.
Speaker 5: What do you mean that's still an NCAA rule where
Speaker 5: you can legally tie a contract to the nil deal
Speaker 5: in terms of the university and the student.
Speaker 3: So you're talking more of the booster doing the contract.
Speaker 5: So in that case, explain, explain to me. So in
Speaker 5: that case, you go, you go to a school, somebody.
Speaker 3: Office Troy Troy troyon goes to goes to uh timbuck
Speaker 3: to university.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they say.
Speaker 5: They say, well, who's the day let's say a booster
Speaker 5: or whatever.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, we'll.
Speaker 5: Give you fifty thousand dollars to come to your university.
Speaker 4: Right, you signed that contract. You go there, there's no money.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait, wait wait the booster said this, not
Speaker 3: the school said this. So what do you mean there's
Speaker 3: no money from the booster.
Speaker 5: From where the money go? Oh, we don't have the
Speaker 5: money anymore. Thank you for signing. And then you see
Speaker 5: the transfer happen.
Speaker 4: That's happening, that's happened before, Troy, I mean you.
Speaker 8: Have met Yeah, I mean I think there's a lot
Speaker 8: of different layers to I think the thing that I've
Speaker 8: noticed in the trend that I've noticed is that what
Speaker 8: you're going to start seeing and I think people really,
Speaker 8: you know, really truly love college football and college athletics
Speaker 8: are going to be kind of annoyed by it, and
Speaker 8: it's going to be like, oh, I don't like this,
Speaker 8: is that everybody's living more towards the pro model. It's
Speaker 8: gonna start to still a lot like the NFL. There's gms,
Speaker 8: programs have gms. I think what you're gonna start seeing
Speaker 8: is a lot of programs have kind of coaches who
Speaker 8: are hands off in terms of building their own rosters.
Speaker 8: I think that's kind of the trend. It's come up
Speaker 8: quite a bit, and so there is going to be
Speaker 8: that kind of aspect for somebody like Mike Gundy, where hey,
Speaker 8: it's my time because I'm coaching where he's really not
Speaker 8: going to have a huge end and building his actual roster.
Speaker 8: And that's kind of where we're going in this whole thing,
Speaker 8: is that the collectives are kind of like for better,
Speaker 8: for better worse, kind of like team owners in a
Speaker 8: lot of ways. They're the ones that are like, hey,
Speaker 8: we need to figure out how to get these guys
Speaker 8: to come to the school. College coaches are just becoming coaches,
Speaker 8: and that's that's kind of what you're seeing play out,
Speaker 8: and it's kind of the trend and the gms and
Speaker 8: the people kind of in the front office of these
Speaker 8: college programs are the time evaluators. They are true gms,
Speaker 8: and so it feels like that's kind of the model
Speaker 8: and how it's all playing out. And so I think
Speaker 8: you are going to have a time and it's going
Speaker 8: to be kind of crazy where there's going to be
Speaker 8: players who are holding out because they're like, hey, I
Speaker 8: want more money. I didn't perform we well in camp,
Speaker 8: like my contract. I don't like my contract, you know.
Speaker 8: I feel like that's not in a two distant future
Speaker 8: that we're gonna be having those conversations, and so I
Speaker 8: think this is kind of a tip of the iceberg
Speaker 8: in terms of renegotiating NIL deals and stuff like that
Speaker 8: during the season. I don't I think he's maybe it
Speaker 8: is happening, you know, with him a little bit more
Speaker 8: often than than what we think. That felt like a
Speaker 8: little bit of an exaggeration for my gundee where someone's like, hey,
Speaker 8: I'm not playing or whatever however you kind of phrased there,
Speaker 8: I already put it. But I don't think it's not happening.
Speaker 8: I do think that there's probably players who are like, hey,
Speaker 8: I had a really good camp, looks like I'm gonna
Speaker 8: start now, let's talk about the NL again.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I talked about this with Jay.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking it could come to that, and Jay said,
Speaker 3: if if you know we're not gonna play you, then
Speaker 3: I said, that's easy to say from Tucson, Arizona sitting
Speaker 3: in the chair because you need that guy. You need
Speaker 3: that guy if you're gonna win.
Speaker 4: You brought it for a purpose, you want to be
Speaker 4: coaching for a long time or no.
Speaker 3: Exactly, But to your point, De Troy, I'm a little
Speaker 3: perplexed on this that they're being asked to come to
Speaker 3: a university, Timbuctu University, saying that we're going to give
Speaker 3: you this money a booster not to school, right, not
Speaker 3: to school, and then they don't pay them, and then
Speaker 3: you know, this is I mean, isn't.
Speaker 8: That the whole Jade and Orshot a thing. I Mean,
Speaker 8: this isn't that the whole deal with him in Florida
Speaker 8: while he's doing the coach. I mean, that's a big
Speaker 8: part of it. That's a big part of why this
Speaker 8: all happened. Is like, there has been a lot of schools,
Speaker 8: and I've talked to a lot of people who have
Speaker 8: been involved in the process, and people who have been
Speaker 8: promised a lot of things, and people who have kind
Speaker 8: of been a little bit on the periphery of seeing
Speaker 8: all this play out. And Wow, a lot of the
Speaker 8: talk is like the numbers that you hear are not
Speaker 8: close to what the what the reality is.
Speaker 4: In a lot of cases, Wow.
Speaker 8: You know you're hearing millions of dollars being thrown out,
Speaker 8: but kids are like, at this point, players are not
Speaker 8: getting millions of dollars from collectives. They just had at
Speaker 8: least from what I from my perspective, and talking to
Speaker 8: a high level players, high level recruits. In many cases,
Speaker 8: you know they're not getting what you the numbers that
Speaker 8: you hear, numbers that you hear are coming from different people.
Speaker 8: Sometimes those are advisors and they're saying, Hey, this is
Speaker 8: what I want my client to get, so I'm gonna
Speaker 8: throw this number out this people think that's what whatever
Speaker 8: you know.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 8: For a lot of the things that I'm kind of
Speaker 8: hearing behind the scenes, the numbers that you hear publicly
Speaker 8: are not close to what's actually being paid out, what
Speaker 8: the reality is for a lot of these players, and
Speaker 8: so kind of two choice playing. I mean, I haven't
Speaker 8: heard necessarily the fool like, hey, you're just not outright
Speaker 8: paying guys. I think they're still getting something in some ways,
Speaker 8: but I think the numbers have been very skew compared
Speaker 8: to what you hear versus what you know it actually
Speaker 8: ends up in the bank account for a lot of
Speaker 8: these play Again, I think I think in a lot
Speaker 8: of case what you're gonna have happen is they're gonna
Speaker 8: have real contracts. Eventually, we're gonna get to that point.
Speaker 8: I think there's some battles going on in courts right
Speaker 8: now where once those get settled, I mean, it's gonna
Speaker 8: look a lot like the Pros. It's gonna look like
Speaker 8: a semi pro league in the not too distant future.
Speaker 8: I think you're gonna have a lot of things be
Speaker 8: kind of above board, and there's gonna be contracts and
Speaker 8: everyone's gonna know what everyone's making. And I mean we're
Speaker 8: already getting to the poin where it's gonna feel like
Speaker 8: a salary cap with uh, you know, the greatest kind
Speaker 8: of development where there's going to be money paid out
Speaker 8: from each school. And so we're getting closer to that,
Speaker 8: and I think it's probably for the better, and it
Speaker 8: does still feel a little bit like the Wild West
Speaker 8: in a lot of ways. But I think to the
Speaker 8: point kind of that Troup is trying to make is
Speaker 8: that the numbers that you hear are very different from
Speaker 8: what's actually being making its way into the pockets of
Speaker 8: these maybe players and their families. And so I think
Speaker 8: that's kind of the overarching them and kind of how
Speaker 8: it seems like it's been with a lot of the
Speaker 8: nil stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, didn't I recently see and you guys probably saw
Speaker 3: this too, that Arizona's trying to hire somebody who to
Speaker 3: deal with all this stuff. Uh, the anil guy, I know,
Speaker 3: kind of like a chief of nil or whatever.
Speaker 4: Kind of like a chief of the collective.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, they have somebody now who does their own
Speaker 3: collective right for football, uh will mister Wells, Wells, But
Speaker 3: I'm talking about I'm talking about a guy who handles
Speaker 3: this for the for the kids or the students to
Speaker 3: knowing that they're getting money or where it's going or whatever.
Speaker 4: Is that right?
Speaker 1: Do you know?
Speaker 4: I think they're trying to hire some like that personally.
Speaker 4: I mean, I.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Matt, Yeah, I mean I think that I
Speaker 8: think that that's a trend that you're seeing with a
Speaker 8: lot of a lot of programs right now, is that
Speaker 8: you just the coaches don't want to have to deal
Speaker 8: with this. And I think what you see with somebody
Speaker 8: like my Gundy is that the frustration of like, I
Speaker 8: just want to coach football, right and in talking to
Speaker 8: coaches and in hearing different kind of perspectives about this,
Speaker 8: I think that's the overarching kind of scene with a
Speaker 8: lot of actual college football coaches like I don't really
Speaker 8: want to have to deal with it. Yes, it's the reality.
Speaker 8: It's what I have to do right now. But if
Speaker 8: I could give this to somebody else to deal with it,
Speaker 8: I could just coach football. I would be much happier.
Speaker 8: And so there is going to be so much money
Speaker 8: because of new you know, TV deals and new media
Speaker 8: rights deals around the country and all this conference in alignment.
Speaker 8: There's going to be a ton of money flowing into
Speaker 8: these programs. And so I think you're going to see
Speaker 8: it used in those types of ways where you're going
Speaker 8: to have somebody who's kind of just the almost kind
Speaker 8: of a CFO in a lot of ways that you know,
Speaker 8: the financial office, the chip financial officer of a program
Speaker 8: going like all right, I need to figure out how
Speaker 8: to you know, disciminate all this money and figure out
Speaker 8: how to make this all work. And so yeah, I
Speaker 8: mean I think they'll see it at Arizona. I think
Speaker 8: they'll see it every major program that understands how big
Speaker 8: football is going to be and where they want to
Speaker 8: go next. So yeah, I imagine you know that it's
Speaker 8: going to be very similar at plays like Arizona and
Speaker 8: any other school that the Arizona is going to be playing.
Speaker 8: In many cases, well didn't.
Speaker 3: With with the program here and I just lost my
Speaker 3: train of thought, Well, you're talking about coaches not having
Speaker 3: to say, but wouldn't they have to sign off on
Speaker 3: this kid if they're going to give, you know, give
Speaker 3: him something.
Speaker 4: He has to have the roster. He knows the roster.
Speaker 5: But well, I think what Matt's kind of saying is,
Speaker 5: you know, they'll bring and we've heard coaches talk about
Speaker 5: this before and with GMS and stuff like that, yea, yeah,
Speaker 5: is they'll go out and scout some players that they
Speaker 5: think will figure and add to the program.
Speaker 4: In addition to the program.
Speaker 5: Here's let's say four running backs. Here are the top
Speaker 5: four backs in the country that we really like and
Speaker 5: want to add to the program. Right, and then the
Speaker 5: coach watches the tape seas which one he likes, and goes, okay,
Speaker 5: let's go after these two. Prioritize these too. You're cutting
Speaker 5: the recruiting time kind of in half.
Speaker 3: Or the head coaching isn't that the process already? Wasn't
Speaker 3: that process for that's part of it.
Speaker 5: But instead of like going over and seeing some kid
Speaker 5: out in you know, Northeast whatever, Yeah, you have tape
Speaker 5: already in front of you of the top guys that
Speaker 5: your staff.
Speaker 4: Things you're interested in.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty four has become very complicated. Honestly, it's been
Speaker 3: over It's kind of an overstated. You go after guys,
Speaker 3: you like, I guess now you have to pay them
Speaker 3: whatever they want or or maybe and then not pay them.
Speaker 3: You're kind of like a I don't know what the
Speaker 3: word is, because it's happening. You bring come on in,
Speaker 3: come on in and sign here, and then oh, we
Speaker 3: don't have the money to pay. It's not the aunt
Speaker 3: is not right right, right, so the kid, I guess,
Speaker 3: and that prompts the kid to.
Speaker 5: Leave, and then there you go with the transfer portal. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you know you also have other programs making kids
Speaker 5: promises right transfer there and then it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, whatever, Well, Matt, I wouldn't believe you until
Speaker 3: you threw that name out for the kid who went
Speaker 3: to issue the quarterback. Therefore what was important? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it makes total sense.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's doing the head coach because he didn't
Speaker 8: get paid as an al money. I mean, that's just
Speaker 8: a conversation that is very real and very it's happening,
Speaker 8: and it would have been unthinkable, you know, a handful
Speaker 8: of years ago. But it's like, oh, yeah, that's nothing
Speaker 8: that seems too out of a normal With that situation,
Speaker 8: it's going to be something that obviously comes up and
Speaker 8: people are going to pay attention to me because you
Speaker 8: can tell us a lot about what happens next. But
Speaker 8: the fact that it's not unfathomable that a player would
Speaker 8: do a coach, a head coach and the program and
Speaker 8: a collective for not being paid money that he was
Speaker 8: promised is a wild thing to think about, but it
Speaker 8: is a reality right now.
Speaker 3: Promise verbally but not contractually, Yeah, no, just verbal agreements.
Speaker 3: Does this made your guys life tougher or does it
Speaker 3: not affect you?
Speaker 5: I think the transfer portal makes everybody's lives tougher in
Speaker 5: terms of recruiting, because you know, you have to allow
Speaker 5: the high school recruits and whatnot, and you focused.
Speaker 4: So much time on that.
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, National signing Day comes around and
Speaker 5: fifteen transfers hit in at the same time. So how
Speaker 5: do you cover thirty five forty kids that are going
Speaker 5: to coppropriate.
Speaker 3: To that point, Matt, we talked about this all the
Speaker 3: time because we talked to the jc's I think in
Speaker 3: affect the JC programs because now they're not even being
Speaker 3: recruited or recruiting less because now schools need players who've
Speaker 3: already been in the system. They know what to do,
Speaker 3: their veterans, and the high school levels are kind of like, well,
Speaker 3: this guy will played right away or play soon, let's
Speaker 3: go for him, and the periphery high school guys are
Speaker 3: not being recruited.
Speaker 8: I would say that's accurate. I mean, I think that's
Speaker 8: exactly what's happening. I mean, you're seeing a lot of
Speaker 8: right now is that you know, some of these you
Speaker 8: have to be a very very good junior college player
Speaker 8: to get on, you know, a powerful roster right now
Speaker 8: because or you have to have some really strong connections
Speaker 8: that we're seeing as well. And obviously that's happened at Arizona.
Speaker 8: You know, they have some those connections back to the
Speaker 8: College of San Mateo up in the Bay Area, and
Speaker 8: so it kind of works out that way. But you're
Speaker 8: seeing that a lot where you guys on the periphery
Speaker 8: are are they're not being looked at as much as
Speaker 8: you know, somebody else there as much as they would
Speaker 8: have in the past because of what you just mentioned,
Speaker 8: which is, hey, if you only have so much nil
Speaker 8: to send. If you only have so much so many
Speaker 8: roster spots now pretty soon and you need to figure
Speaker 8: out how to make it all work, you're gonna want
Speaker 8: the guy that's ready to go and ready to play
Speaker 8: right now. And so I think talking to a lot
Speaker 8: of coaches and getting it in a feel for it,
Speaker 8: that's where a lot of programs are leaning. They want,
Speaker 8: you know, they want the transfers. They want if you're
Speaker 8: going to be you know, spending that money on somebody,
Speaker 8: you want somebody that you have seen and have game
Speaker 8: pape of, you know, at the college level. And so
Speaker 8: I think that's something that you're really seeing kind of
Speaker 8: become a trend where it's like, hey, we want to
Speaker 8: proven thing. I think if you ask any coach, probably
Speaker 8: we talked about with Arizona basketball, where it's like, you know,
Speaker 8: some fans are talking about like, oh, they lost the
Speaker 8: recruits during the summer, but yeah, it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 8: you got three guys who have played and been through
Speaker 8: the battles. Do you want, Like, which one do you want?
Speaker 8: I think every coach was like, yeah, I want the
Speaker 8: guys who have played like every time. So I think
Speaker 8: that's kind of the battle right now that you know,
Speaker 8: football programs are going through right now, and I think
Speaker 8: the trend feels like coaches are like, give us the
Speaker 8: shirt thing or the post the shirt thing versus you know,
Speaker 8: a high school kid that we just don't know right now,
Speaker 8: and so it's unfortunate because there are you know, two
Speaker 8: stars study. You know, maybe he doesn't end up at
Speaker 8: a at a four year school, maybe he has to
Speaker 8: go to junior college out and he ends up becoming
Speaker 8: really becomes and so uh, some guys are going to
Speaker 8: miss out and from lower you know, lower level recruits
Speaker 8: are not going to have the opportunities they had before.
Speaker 8: But we'll see, we'll see what happens. But yeah, that's
Speaker 8: definitely been the trend is like, you know, let's go
Speaker 8: after the shirt thing and and some guys that we
Speaker 8: have college tape on it and and go from there.
Speaker 4: Okay, very interesting from you guys. Very interesting.
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Matt, absolutely okay, thank you, thanks guys. We'll
Speaker 3: take a break a little over and come back and
Speaker 3: talk more about this, and maybe callers are interested in
Speaker 3: this because.
Speaker 4: Wow, wow, wild west, wild west, but this is even
Speaker 4: makes it even more crazy.
Speaker 3: Promising money and then you get here and says, oh sorry,
Speaker 3: it's a it's a lucy thing pulling the ball from
Speaker 3: your from from from the kicker.
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Speaker 3: I'm Steve.
Speaker 4: You're Troy at P's Ryan.
Speaker 3: I had to take a volume because I don't know
Speaker 3: what the hell you guys were just saying, because it's
Speaker 3: surprising to me, like, like, you know, you guys know this,
Speaker 3: and you guys have known this, what do you use
Speaker 3: to It's a little surprising to me. You ask these
Speaker 3: kids to come, thanks for stunning. You don't have any
Speaker 3: more money in the wallet. I kind of get that.
Speaker 3: But this is like a deliberate beret and switch.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And there have been cases where it has worked
Speaker 5: the other way, where you know, the kid gets the money,
Speaker 5: he's a four, three, four or five. You get the money,
Speaker 5: you know, and then you don't go, and then you
Speaker 5: spend it in terms of helping out your family, and
Speaker 5: then you flip your commitment to a different st and
Speaker 5: there's no people to tell you financially or legally to
Speaker 5: the money. So programs are like, why aren't you coming here? Well,
Speaker 5: I'm going here. Okay, we need the money back. Yeah
Speaker 5: it's gone. Sorry, it's gone.
Speaker 4: You know this for effect, It's happened a couple of times. Wow,
Speaker 4: at the.
Speaker 3: University of Aera. Okay, good, good, good, Well you guys
Speaker 3: covered more than you know. You guys cover more than Arizona.
Speaker 3: So you guys are work because you guys follow those kids. Uh,
Speaker 3: this is chaotic. This is chaotic and wow to me,
Speaker 3: maybe I'm naive and I've been out of the recruiting
Speaker 3: business for a long time, thank thankfully, and this is good, thankfully,
Speaker 3: because how do you operate?
Speaker 5: You don't, it's hard to It's very much a shot
Speaker 5: in the dark RUSS situation going on right now. And
Speaker 5: that's why you know, with the GMS and everything that
Speaker 5: you have on getting to a salary art contract is
Speaker 5: probably gonna happen in the future.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you something because somebody posted this on
Speaker 3: my Facebook page after they read about the Red Blue Game.
Speaker 3: You could be as honest or you could be You
Speaker 3: can say it or not say it, because I want
Speaker 3: you to be honest. Have you heard that ub A
Speaker 3: former players athletes? I guess men and women I don't
Speaker 3: know are now kind of going or kind of requesting
Speaker 3: money before the nil stuff that they played here forever
Speaker 3: and well, I guess something came out with JT and
Speaker 3: BEJ because their name and likeness came into the night.
Speaker 4: He said, tournament video. Correct. Do you see other people
Speaker 4: do going back and say you owe this money from.
Speaker 5: Being I'm sure there will you know, I mean when
Speaker 5: you have one. There's many, right, But do I think
Speaker 5: it's gonna come to anything, I personally don't. I don't
Speaker 5: see how you backtrack and say we owe this person money,
Speaker 5: we owe that person money. You're you're going down to
Speaker 5: slippery slope.
Speaker 4: I'm sure sure.
Speaker 3: But the way that the NCAA is killing the ubate
Speaker 3: the institutions, I don't know about that. Maybe they have
Speaker 3: a chance, a fighter's chance to get you know, back
Speaker 3: somebody who played in twenty fifteen and didn't see anything
Speaker 3: into you know, hey, I helped this program. What about me?
Speaker 5: And that they don't Let's say that, you know, we're
Speaker 5: not going to pay that person, but legally we're supposed to.
Speaker 5: How much does that change intro videos and stuff that
Speaker 5: they use in terms of promotional stuff or the tournament.
Speaker 5: Maybe they don't have the ninety seven Wildcats in their
Speaker 5: promotion video after you know, the tournament.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's not there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, Well it's just crazy, crazy time. Uh And you
Speaker 3: guys know, I mean there's I'm sure there's been a
Speaker 3: player or two here at Uveay that said they were
Speaker 3: coming in didn't chill up.
Speaker 5: You know, there's been a player or two at Arizona
Speaker 5: that said they're coming didn't show up, and then this
Speaker 5: staff was able to get them back on the roster.
Speaker 5: You know, we saw that this off season with Jared
Speaker 5: krossky Merritt Jihori, the running back out of New Mexico.
Speaker 5: He was committed to Arizona. There is some issue with
Speaker 5: the is he eligible for another year of college or
Speaker 5: not not a lot of programs understood that he went
Speaker 5: to Ole Miss, didn't come here during the spring. Ole
Speaker 5: Miss still wasn't sold if he had another year of eligibility.
Speaker 5: Arizona staff figured it out, said yes, he definitely does,
Speaker 5: and they got everything cleared.
Speaker 4: He came over to Arizona and that was.
Speaker 3: Then wait, wait, so that's the that's the sole reason
Speaker 3: why he didn't end up in Minsio, Mississippi is one
Speaker 3: of the reasons.
Speaker 4: One of the can you say the other one?
Speaker 5: But but, but eligibility did play a part in terms
Speaker 5: of how he ended up at Arizona. Arizona believing that
Speaker 5: he did and stuck with.
Speaker 4: Him with that.
Speaker 3: Thankfully, I'm not in your line of work anymore. My
Speaker 3: twenty seven thirty years of those a lot easier, especially
Speaker 3: you kind of know when you can't say I can,
Speaker 3: I can infer or I can kind of come up
Speaker 3: with some reasons. But okay, more power. Arizona has him
Speaker 3: and he's supposed to be. He's apparently very good.
Speaker 5: You know, out of all the running backs they have
Speaker 5: in the room, I think he's probably the top back.
Speaker 5: It's a very loaded backfield. But he's a special guy.
Speaker 5: He kind of reminds me. And I'm not saying he's
Speaker 5: going to have a great of a year as this
Speaker 5: guy because the game is different, but the rare combination
Speaker 5: of speed of power that Arizona really hasn't had. Some
Speaker 5: say Nick Wilson.
Speaker 4: Could even carry that kind of era of running backs. Well, well,
Speaker 4: you had last year's guy, Coleman Coleman, but I mean
Speaker 4: you're talking about a power back that can't right away
Speaker 4: from the rest of the Oh, so this guy has both.
Speaker 5: This guy has his speed a great way.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Leamont loved it. It was very high on him that
Speaker 3: he too hadn't seen a guy like him in a while. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Kadeem was very powerful and some speed. You know, he
Speaker 3: wasn't as fast, But what about speedy Luke? Are we
Speaker 3: gonna see much of him?
Speaker 5: I think you're going to see this coaching staff use
Speaker 5: speedy in a way that the previous staff was unable
Speaker 5: to do. Get him out in space. Yeah, you know, maybe.
Speaker 4: Some kick returns, some reverses.
Speaker 5: Whatever little gadget plays that you dropped to get them
Speaker 5: the ball. So you're talking about, you know, load to
Speaker 5: backfield of four guys.
Speaker 4: But if you can get them the.
Speaker 5: Ball ten fifteen times somewhere in there that magic number
Speaker 5: throughout a game, and let's say two of those are
Speaker 5: big plays a forty yr player or touchdown, it's well worth.
Speaker 3: Then you're well, yeah, yeah, in fact, do you think
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen? One and two? I think maybe last year,
Speaker 3: the previous year he is handling the ball was a question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I do think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 5: I do think this staff has shown that they're able
Speaker 5: to use speed in smaller backs compared to the previous staff.
Speaker 5: And in terms of the fumbling issue, you know, I
Speaker 5: always thought that was an interesting situation with Jetfish and
Speaker 5: that coaching staff because during the spring he did have
Speaker 5: a fumbling issue. There was no doubt he'd probably put
Speaker 5: the ball on the ground four or five times throughout
Speaker 5: the spring practice, but during training camp he locked in
Speaker 5: and I think he fumbled once and Jad mentioned the
Speaker 5: fumbling issues at the end of training camp, so it
Speaker 5: just really didn't coincide what was going on at the time.
Speaker 3: Okay, makes sense, and he's he's older, he's probably stronger.
Speaker 3: We talked about this. You know that he's gonna get
Speaker 3: his chance. Well, it's tough to play a freshman when
Speaker 3: you're you know your your speed and then you maybe
Speaker 3: have an issue as you get older. You should be
Speaker 3: getting better, right, you should be getting better, more and
Speaker 3: more reliable, yet yet stronger, bigger, stronger, So it makes
Speaker 3: total sense that he'll have more of an impact. Obviously,
Speaker 3: Arizona has the quarterback in the receiver. There was another
Speaker 3: receiver out there that was doing very well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeremiah Patterson.
Speaker 5: I mean he's wearing number two and he shows flashes
Speaker 5: of Jacob Cowing, very similar style of playing, very great
Speaker 5: route runner, good speed. It's going to be that slot
Speaker 5: receiver for Arizona. I think he's a little bit faster
Speaker 5: than Jacob is, but Jacob's a little bit better of
Speaker 5: a route on her. So I think Arizona was able
Speaker 5: to find their number two receiver even though it's in spot.
Speaker 5: This is a guy that could put up seven, eight,
Speaker 5: nine hundred yards this season.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, somebody I had listening to somebody, maybe I
Speaker 4: read something the.
Speaker 3: Name again Jeremiah Pattins that he was very good and
Speaker 3: that Cowan's obviously very good too. But he'll kind of
Speaker 3: be used the same way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think very similarly, where you line them up
Speaker 5: in the slot sometimes come on the outside. Again, Gadget
Speaker 5: plays kind of reverses. He's going to be used in
Speaker 5: the punning game. So I think that's going to be
Speaker 5: critical for Arizona to have a sure hand guy with
Speaker 5: elite speed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, well it looks like it looks like Arizona
Speaker 3: was pretty exciting last year obviously with team Mac and
Speaker 3: Noah after the change and then a Coleman who I
Speaker 3: thought was fantastic and gave him that opportunity because he
Speaker 3: got a lot of yards opened up other situations that
Speaker 3: this this program, now under this coaching staff, will have
Speaker 3: more of a more of an open, open, open eye,
Speaker 3: if that's the right word, open philosophy to the offensive.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you're going to see a lot more
Speaker 5: guys get in there offensively than you did last season.
Speaker 5: You know, last year Arizona was set with three receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 5: really didn't deviate from that. This coaching staff's probably going
Speaker 5: to use somewhere from five to six. You're going to
Speaker 5: see guys rotat in and out. Obviously, guys like t
Speaker 5: mc and Patterson are going to be on the field,
Speaker 5: but they're going to give the younger receivers an opportunity
Speaker 5: to shine and see what they can do. And same
Speaker 5: with the running back group. You know Michael Wiley, DJ
Speaker 5: Williams and Coleman last year. Yeah, they're going four deep
Speaker 5: this season. So you're going to see a lot of
Speaker 5: combinations of that.
Speaker 4: So tell me, because I'm sure you've been paying attention.
Speaker 4: I have not. The guys who went to the NFL
Speaker 4: after last year. How are they doing? Are they still around?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: Last time I saw I believe that Jordan Morgan is
Speaker 5: now inside playing guard for the Green Bay Packers. We
Speaker 5: should ask Matt and being a backround yet, but I
Speaker 5: think they moved him to guard, which I think a
Speaker 5: lot of people thought that might be the case when
Speaker 5: he went on to the next level. And then Jake
Speaker 5: County has had a very nice training camp. So with
Speaker 5: forty nine ers, but you know they have a very
Speaker 5: loaded receiving board. So how much are you going to
Speaker 5: see the field.
Speaker 4: But if you can get into special teams, they'll be
Speaker 4: anybody else.
Speaker 5: I'm missing one. There is one more, but I'm missing
Speaker 5: the name, MIKEL.
Speaker 4: Wiley. That's why I mentioned the name. I don't want
Speaker 4: to go there. Michael Wiley. No, he's had a very
Speaker 4: nice campusy okay, so that's good.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could just tell if anybody who's a
Speaker 3: little bitter about Jed stop. He bought some great talent
Speaker 3: and great is you know the word I'll use, but
Speaker 3: it's much better than what it used to be.
Speaker 5: And he developed them because let me ask you this,
Speaker 5: are Michael Wiley and Jordan Morgan in the NFL without
Speaker 5: jet fishing that stuff?
Speaker 4: Probably not not.
Speaker 5: I mean with someone Jordan Morgan was barely a starter
Speaker 5: on the offense. The line of Wiley was barely used.
Speaker 5: Now you're talking about a first round draft pick and
Speaker 5: in ANFL draft pick.
Speaker 3: No, And what's the key to being a good coach
Speaker 3: Developing developing the kids?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, whether you can coach xs and but developing
Speaker 3: is the huge that's what makes a coach.
Speaker 5: And I don't think avers gonna had seen that type
Speaker 5: of developing since the Mike Steeps era because a lot
Speaker 5: of people like to trash on Mike Steeves, but he
Speaker 5: put guys into the league and they haven't seen that
Speaker 5: in a while.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, Luke did that with whatever people he
Speaker 3: brought in. Uh, I think that, Uh, Tommy's doing that now.
Speaker 4: Sean. He got kids that were already in the NBA.
Speaker 4: They're gonna make it. They were gonna make it. That's
Speaker 4: the Cali Party move.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm not sure if if Color Party
Speaker 3: develops him, they go there for the rented player for
Speaker 3: the six months and they're gone.
Speaker 5: I think what with Sean, there's only one player you
Speaker 5: can say in terms of development that they really did
Speaker 5: some work.
Speaker 4: On because Uh, I think I think Solomon Hill is
Speaker 4: the one.
Speaker 3: Well, and he was not a he was not Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll give you that, but he was not a Sean guy.
Speaker 4: To begin with. Uh, because he was he was at
Speaker 4: the cusp of he was being recruited.
Speaker 5: Earlier, recruited by USC because when Tim Floyd was hart
Speaker 5: from usc M, Derek Williams and Momo Uh recommitted Arizona.
Speaker 3: When Sean went home, poo poo that because but when
Speaker 3: Luke was around, he was being recruited.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Then and then he eventually left because lout left and
Speaker 3: he went to USC. No, you're right, I'll give this
Speaker 3: one to Sean because but he he's a mcconnall guy.
Speaker 3: He self made, self made, a guy who was determined
Speaker 3: to be somebody smart IQ dude could play the game,
Speaker 3: not over flashy. Uh and uh and what was the.
Speaker 4: The block god?
Speaker 3: I did a huge story on him for Basketball Times
Speaker 3: second the first second pick of the Derek Williams. He
Speaker 3: he was not developed. He could just play right and
Speaker 3: he played on an instinct. He was fantastic until had
Speaker 3: he been developed. Had he been developed, Troy, he would
Speaker 3: have had a longer career.
Speaker 4: Maybe a longer I don't know.
Speaker 5: If it still wouldn't have been a buzz factor at
Speaker 5: the number two pick, as you're talking about. To do
Speaker 5: that was a little bit of a twer, not fast enough, true.
Speaker 3: But they wouldn't pick him at number two otherwise if
Speaker 3: they didn't see that he was capable. So if he
Speaker 3: had more basketball in him, he would have lasted a
Speaker 3: little bit longer. I think I could be wrong. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: well what kind of continue this this uh this thing
Speaker 3: we have or teas coming on the other side. You
Speaker 3: said he's coaching now, right, so he sees I'm sure
Speaker 3: he's seen these with the kids.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's seen this with the kids.
Speaker 5: You know, I haven't talked to any high school coaches
Speaker 5: and right now he's training quarterbacks, developing quarterbacks in California.
Speaker 3: But well, that's kind of my point. I mean, if
Speaker 3: he's got good ones, yeah, they're saying, hey, show me
Speaker 3: the money.
Speaker 5: Well that that too, and and you know, I'm sure
Speaker 5: he's stalked to a lot of coaches across the country.
Speaker 5: You know, how good is this kid? Is this kid worth?
Speaker 5: And I know, is this kid worth coming to our
Speaker 5: program and whatnot? And I'm sure he's very up run
Speaker 5: and honest with him. And he has a kid going
Speaker 5: to Oklahoma right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm sure they should him the money.
Speaker 5: Who knows.
Speaker 3: If you see, you know, if you're Oklahoma good, you're
Speaker 3: not just going to you know, eat corn and have fun.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're you're gonna go and play. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you've got to.
Speaker 4: Be good, is that is that the definition of on
Speaker 4: a normal and then have fun.
Speaker 3: You know, I've only been there a few times there,
Speaker 3: Nebraska and Iowa. I was being stupid as usual. Okay,
Speaker 3: what time is it. We have about a minute left,
Speaker 3: so we're gonna finish here. Go to your break and
Speaker 3: you have a lot of breaking news.
Speaker 4: Got a few things.
Speaker 3: Okay, do it like your job depending on it? O? Great,
Speaker 3: So we'll go with that. Talk to Ortiz. Yeah, if
Speaker 3: you go, well, we'll talk our way through this whole thing.
Speaker 3: Talk to Ortiz and let me get back to other
Speaker 3: things on the other side. Maybe get a call or
Speaker 3: two at the end of next next hour. Okay, we're
Speaker 3: ready to go.