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<v Speaker 1>This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to I on the Ball

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<v Speaker 3>here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He's

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<v Speaker 3>not Jaganzalez, He's Troy Hutchinson from goezycats dot Com. You've

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<v Speaker 3>got our guy Ryan with us today. It's bring your

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<v Speaker 3>kid to work today for me. What are you about

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<v Speaker 3>twelve ty harl.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty nine?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have t shirts older than that. Our guy

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan is a little older than that. So it's a

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<v Speaker 3>KAG older kid day. Sorry, I don't have any lunch

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<v Speaker 3>money for you guys. Good to have you, Troy. Did

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<v Speaker 3>you have me Ryan, because otherwise we would have a show. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of We're talking about some recruiting. See what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on in UA football. I guess the gates have

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<v Speaker 3>been closed to you guys.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, it's.

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<v Speaker 5>All shut down and it's strictly business for Arizona. Brett

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<v Speaker 5>Brennan talked about, you know, wanting to get everybody focused

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<v Speaker 5>in and dialed up for the season ahead, which is

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<v Speaker 5>nine days away, kicking off against New Mexico in Arizona

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<v Speaker 5>Football Stadium.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that What do you think the and everybody has

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<v Speaker 3>their way of doing things right, What do you think

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<v Speaker 3>the reason he's doing the way he's doing it.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's a little bit of not being at

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<v Speaker 5>a major program before in terms of being a head

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<v Speaker 5>coach and not having so much media at San Jose

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<v Speaker 5>where you come to Arizona. Yeah, five or six media

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<v Speaker 5>members that are at a time now that's nothing can

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<v Speaker 5>bear to you Texas, Oklahoma. But it's a big change,

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<v Speaker 5>and so you know, you are worried about what is

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<v Speaker 5>getting out there. You know, our plays getting out there,

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<v Speaker 5>are injuries getting out there, and you're a new staff.

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<v Speaker 4>You're trying to get everything.

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<v Speaker 5>Together, build something where you can have a potentially really

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<v Speaker 5>great season, and if.

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<v Speaker 4>Too much gets out there, it can hurt you.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think there's a little bit of presitation.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you assuming this? Are you you know this?

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<v Speaker 5>I think a little bit of an assumption. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>stuff gets out in training camp all across.

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<v Speaker 3>The and and it has here an injury you too, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It kind of started a mess.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, I mean he did talk about all

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<v Speaker 5>McMillan getting injured and eating surgery at the end of.

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<v Speaker 4>Spring trade as you should as you should.

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<v Speaker 5>Have and when you have a player like that, you've

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<v Speaker 5>got to.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk about it sure because guess what, that for sure

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<v Speaker 3>leak out whether a friend, a girlfriend or a friend whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I saw him in a boot or I saw

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<v Speaker 3>him doing Come on, it's better to be that way.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, being transparent is big when you have

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<v Speaker 5>that sort of situation. But you know, you just try

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<v Speaker 5>to protect your players and try to protect the playbook

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<v Speaker 5>as much as possible because as.

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<v Speaker 4>You're learning a new system sort of the players.

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<v Speaker 3>Just real quick, you got a text, Get that I

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<v Speaker 3>forget to tell you that the microphone.

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<v Speaker 4>Get closer to it, just so you're good. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 4>that'll work.

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<v Speaker 3>That one is that's that's the kind of stifle j

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<v Speaker 3>because that's Jay's mike.

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<v Speaker 4>We got to quiet him. Yeah, we gotta say it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeahs a silence should have told him that, Yeah, no, thanks,

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<v Speaker 3>just get closer than that's good.

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<v Speaker 4>No, okay, it's all understandable. It's a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, it's a little over the top for me, but

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<v Speaker 3>I understand.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I think it is a little bit over

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<v Speaker 5>the top, but we've seen previous coaching staffs where you

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<v Speaker 5>watch the first ten minutes of practice, now get the

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<v Speaker 5>hell out, and that you'll be there.

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<v Speaker 4>And say the previous coach, you said, the previous coach

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<v Speaker 4>usual want, Well, that's the Kevin someone era. I had

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<v Speaker 4>that go for him exactly. It didn't matter what the

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<v Speaker 4>hell they're doing.

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<v Speaker 5>No, you know, when you're from Texas and you're housed

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<v Speaker 5>to Houston and all that, you treat it like it's Texas,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Arizona, right, And and did did anybody give a crap?

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody cared because nobody knew and they didn't play. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes it work, and I'm being facetious of course, but

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<v Speaker 3>it didn't work for him. And either way, you didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to see practice or whatever. And then, uh then fish.

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<v Speaker 5>Fish was pretty open. I think it was a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit less open that he made it seem to be

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<v Speaker 5>at the beginning of his tenure. But I mean, the

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<v Speaker 5>results are what the results are on the field. They

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<v Speaker 5>went from one win to five to ten, so obviously

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<v Speaker 5>they're doing something right in that car.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, sure, no, you ever bring in better players, and

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of the day, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>go back to fish all the time or even very

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<v Speaker 3>very little good coach.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because because he was able to get talent, Arizona developed.

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<v Speaker 4>The town very much. So yes, okay, why didn't you

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<v Speaker 4>and change as a coach.

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<v Speaker 5>He went from a coach that you questioned his play

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<v Speaker 5>calling into that last season where he became kind of

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<v Speaker 5>a master play caller that year.

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<v Speaker 3>But because you have better players, because he was a

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<v Speaker 3>better play caller.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's a combination of both, you know. I

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<v Speaker 5>think you develop as a head coach, and your staff

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<v Speaker 5>develops as well, and the roster develops.

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<v Speaker 4>And let's not forget you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, no, Ifa Fida getting in and Jayden Delor going

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<v Speaker 5>to down probably changed law.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair zone, change the trajectory of the program, and Jet

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<v Speaker 3>obviously he'd still be here.

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<v Speaker 5>He maybe maybe if they had not done that, maybe

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<v Speaker 5>he's at UCLA.

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<v Speaker 4>If he doesn't maybe, But if you're six and five,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure. You see only want you, But who

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<v Speaker 4>do they have to turn to you? You want to

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<v Speaker 4>find her? What you feel like fighting one? I'm joking. No,

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<v Speaker 4>you're right, You're right.

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<v Speaker 3>He had connections. Maybe they trust him enough to come

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<v Speaker 3>in and run the ship again. We'll never know, right,

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<v Speaker 3>We'll never know.

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<v Speaker 5>Always the lifts, right gifts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if I had turned left in Albuquerque, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>not have been here. Okay, So good, Good to have you, Troy,

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<v Speaker 3>And we're gonna talk to your guy, Matt Moreno here

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<v Speaker 3>in about ten twelve minutes, talk about recruiting. How life

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<v Speaker 3>is in Los Angeles. See if he gets you know,

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<v Speaker 3>ten miles and seven hours. Uh, you're better off here, Troy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, No, I'm good without LA traffic. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot of stuff going on at you

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<v Speaker 3>internally at McHale with the right with the desiree coming

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<v Speaker 3>in and kind of you know, being the boss. We

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<v Speaker 3>know know all about that. Football starts here in about

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<v Speaker 3>ten days eight days. Basketball is breaking news with Red

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<v Speaker 3>Blue Games, which is I thought it was a fantastic move. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>given that there's a lot of u au A fans

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, it's a move that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, when you have the ability to do it, why not.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you're gonna get a lot of people from Phoenix anyway.

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<v Speaker 5>Usually you're regularly Red and Blue game. Now you're up

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<v Speaker 5>in Glendale. You know, it's kind of like McHale North

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<v Speaker 5>in very many parts of Phoenix there, so you have

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<v Speaker 5>a huge fan base and it just gives them the

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<v Speaker 5>ability to go out there and for the high school

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<v Speaker 5>kids to see them as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's a good recruiting tool, fan based type of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And if it's ten bucks a ticket, you sell seven

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<v Speaker 3>thousand tickets.

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<v Speaker 4>They do need money, that hurt. That helps the budget, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Helps so to get out of a mess or to

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<v Speaker 3>can you to pay off some messes? Right, No, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>thinking great idea. Why it should have happened a while back.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know the NCAA rule change, which I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>exactly hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, yeah, yeah, tell me yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>But it allows them to have another scrimmage like that,

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<v Speaker 5>another showcase. So yeah, I think Arizona is the first

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<v Speaker 5>to announce that they're going to have to Maybe I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 5>but the first major pro that's going to have two showcases.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they're very excited about it. Smart move. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know whose idea that was, but it's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably the new marketing team or if there is a

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<v Speaker 3>new marketing team, and maybe it does Ray, why don't

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<v Speaker 3>we go up you know whatever. This is more of

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<v Speaker 3>a Greg Burn type of thing that let's go up

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<v Speaker 3>and own Phoenix. You know what I'm saying, it would

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<v Speaker 3>have been made. It makes it makes sense now to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people, one one of my Facebook guys said, just

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<v Speaker 3>another opportunity whatever. It kind of poop pooted, and I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>why they need money? If they sell seven thousand tickets

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<v Speaker 3>ten dollars a price that helps with something.

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<v Speaker 5>And it expands her fan base. Yeah, yes, there's the

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<v Speaker 5>Phoenix fan base. But you're talking about the new wave

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<v Speaker 5>of Arizona Wildcat fans. So if you're constantly out there

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<v Speaker 5>in Phoenix, they're not gonna want to see ASU basketball.

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<v Speaker 5>They're gonna want to see Arizona basket.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the issue you're going to go. I'm sure I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to go up there. I wish it was more interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>and honestly, I'm asking you a tough question. No, it

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<v Speaker 3>easy question. Are these fun?

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<v Speaker 4>No for you or me? No? Not at all, because

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<v Speaker 4>because it's and over glorified practice right to be right right.

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<v Speaker 4>People love it because you see at night.

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<v Speaker 3>Great for them, but for you and I, uh, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's an over it's it's a it's a it's a Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a scripted thing that it's good for TV, but

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<v Speaker 3>not for in person.

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<v Speaker 5>The only time it was ever interesting after Red and

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<v Speaker 5>Blue game was Aaron Gordon dunk. Right, that's kind of

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<v Speaker 5>gone downhill and some injuries that we have seen.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe Dunk when he did his dunk over Sean. But

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<v Speaker 3>you're right Smith, the Smith kid from Vegas who got

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<v Speaker 3>hurt in that and didn't come back from his injury.

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<v Speaker 4>A women's bass.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe they entered the dunk contests many years ago

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<v Speaker 5>and one of their players got hurt.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't I don't recall women's.

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<v Speaker 5>Women's women's suits.

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<v Speaker 4>That was before nyabouts right before okay, okay, who was

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<v Speaker 4>gonna dunk?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't remember. They had these two really tall Fords

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<v Speaker 5>that entered the dunk contests and the girl slipped and

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<v Speaker 5>fell on her back. Oh and then she was a

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<v Speaker 5>high level of recruit.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that that didn't I don't remember that, but wow,

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<v Speaker 5>Because of the coaching teams over there. That makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>days of his Leap by the Lake and those teams,

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<v Speaker 3>and then what's he doing now and what's he doing

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<v Speaker 3>now and how much money would ortiz Jenk has been

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<v Speaker 3>making had he been the quarterback you know today, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he'd done pretty.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, lot a lot better than the past.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, him and him and the Keith Smith back in

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<v Speaker 4>So we'll talk about that.

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<v Speaker 3>He played for Dictomy obviously, and he played a little

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<v Speaker 3>like a cup of coffee with lut on the basketball team.

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<v Speaker 3>So I want to maybe see what he got from

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<v Speaker 3>either or both of them, you know, in his good

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<v Speaker 5>I was three. I was three years old on that happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, do you I'm sure you've seen the leap

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<v Speaker 3>by the like the number of times, but do you

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<v Speaker 3>you don't remember anything when you were three.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I don't remember any of it in terms of

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<v Speaker 5>when it happened. But you know that season when you

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<v Speaker 5>go up and down the games that they played, that

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<v Speaker 5>Washington game obviously, the Nebraska GA in the ASU game,

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<v Speaker 5>seeing those highlights and those replay games, talk about one

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<v Speaker 5>of the best teams not only in Arizona history, but

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<v Speaker 3>Well, right right, and they in Arizona has had you know,

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<v Speaker 3>historian and for football, four or five teams like that.

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<v Speaker 3>In Arizona history, four or five and that's it. Whether

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<v Speaker 3>it's eight, nine, ten wins or whatever. Now they have

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<v Speaker 3>the curse or whatever you want to see after this year?

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<v Speaker 3>Can they do it again? And that's the thing because

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<v Speaker 3>it's never.

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<v Speaker 4>Been done, never have had a repeat, right right? What

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<v Speaker 5>I think they can? M I think they can. I

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<v Speaker 5>think the Big Twelve Conference kind of lines it up

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<v Speaker 5>for them.

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<v Speaker 4>What have you major predictions on the site?

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<v Speaker 5>Not yet, that's going to be coming here soon, but

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<v Speaker 5>Arizona will be high up in the Big twelve rankings.

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<v Speaker 3>Give me a we have a minute left, give me

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<v Speaker 3>a you want to give me a little taste.

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<v Speaker 5>I think Arizona finishes nine and three in the regular

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<v Speaker 5>State series. Oh really, you get one of those, which

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I think you're sitting prety. But USF is going to

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<v Speaker 4>Forward to everyone's saying that and why.

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<v Speaker 5>Because they have the transfer Jefferson from Arkansas that's a

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<v Speaker 5>to run heavy quarterbacks. That's a tough light, very tough

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<v Speaker 3>You're nineteen, eighteen twenty, you want to go on those flights?

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<v Speaker 3>You stay up there three in the morning. Anyway, you

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<v Speaker 5>And maybe the BYU game. I think that could be

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah no, and those things happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Farrah and Jacob Salaz Box Sports fourteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, welcome back to I and the Ball here Fox

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<v Speaker 3>Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve rivera pas Troy Hutchison from

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<v Speaker 3>Goasycats dot com and now we have his boss, Matt

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<v Speaker 3>Modane from goas.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you met?

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<v Speaker 8>Being great? Stee? Thanks for having me, guys there for Chia.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got a babysit today. I'll send you my bill. Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope he does anything bad so did jeopardize his job?

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<v Speaker 3>But are you busy?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah? I mean obviously it's you know, a lot going

445
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<v Speaker 8>on with you know, across the college football landscape. Games

446
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<v Speaker 8>are getting ready to go here and so, uh, you know,

447
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<v Speaker 8>it's it's a busy time. You got. Recruiting is kind

448
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<v Speaker 8>of going to start picking up again as the season

449
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<v Speaker 8>gets going, and you know, if you you're able to

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<v Speaker 8>start taking official visits again and once you get there,

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<v Speaker 8>it comes to an end. So it's a busy time.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 8>High school games are getting going right now, so it's

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<v Speaker 8>gonna be a good time to see some of Arizona commits,

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<v Speaker 8>uh commit from other schools, you know, some of the

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<v Speaker 8>top players around the around the area. So yeah, definitely

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<v Speaker 8>a busy time. Everything kind of ramping up to the

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<v Speaker 8>next couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a question to both of you guys, because

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<v Speaker 3>you guys do the recruiting stuff, thankfully. Are parents more

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<v Speaker 3>involved now than they were five, six, seventy eight years

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<v Speaker 3>ago given the nil situation, because now they're kind of agents,

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<v Speaker 3>if you will.

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<v Speaker 8>That's a great question, and I would I would think

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<v Speaker 8>that your assessment is pretty accurate. It feels that way

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<v Speaker 8>on my end. I think for those reasons that you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 8>there's you know, money is involved now at at a

468
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<v Speaker 8>very high level with a lot more people. You know,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe people don't want to think about it. But there's

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<v Speaker 8>money involved before Steve and people maybe didn't come up

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<v Speaker 8>as much, and now that you know, everything is kind

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<v Speaker 8>of out in the open, and then all is part

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<v Speaker 8>of this whole process. I think you do have a

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<v Speaker 8>lot more parents wanting to be involved, a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>you know, the recruits wanting their parents to be involved

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<v Speaker 8>because they don't know how to necessarily maneuvent this whole thing,

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<v Speaker 8>and so it's still a little bit of a free

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<v Speaker 8>for all in a lot of cases. And I think

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<v Speaker 8>parents want to be able to know that you know,

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<v Speaker 8>they're making the right decisions and that they're you know,

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<v Speaker 8>sons are making the right decisions, and so they're definitely

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<v Speaker 8>involved and that could be good in bad. I think

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<v Speaker 8>there's a lot more hands kind of involved in the process,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe overstepping in some ways and you would see you

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<v Speaker 8>know previously, but you know, there's a lot of people involved,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, and a lot of you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of families are kind of maneuvers this whole thing, and

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<v Speaker 8>not everybody has the ability to kind of uh speak

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<v Speaker 8>your device for people who have an idea of what's

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<v Speaker 8>going on in kind of the nil space, and so

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<v Speaker 8>some people do and people have advisors that help them

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<v Speaker 8>through this process and you know, try and get them

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<v Speaker 8>as much money as they can. Others don't, and so

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<v Speaker 8>the parents kind of step in. But I definitely have

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<v Speaker 8>sense and upticks in terms of parents being involved and

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<v Speaker 8>having a hand and kind of you know what what

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<v Speaker 8>happens with these recruits more so than in other years.

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<v Speaker 8>They've always been around. There's always been kind of an

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<v Speaker 8>over overbearing parent who steps into the picture. Who I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm sure you can name some people who see that

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<v Speaker 8>you have kind of dealt with, you know, over the

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<v Speaker 8>years of Arizona, even where you go, Yeah, I remember

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<v Speaker 8>his dad and so that. So there there's a lot there.

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<v Speaker 8>It's been, it's been a thing that's happened before. It

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<v Speaker 8>just feels like it's more widespread where every you know,

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<v Speaker 8>even a regular kind of three star recruit has his

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<v Speaker 8>family and parents and you know, heavily involved. And you

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<v Speaker 8>know that wasn't always necessarily the case when I first started.

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<v Speaker 8>It was it was a lot of a high end

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<v Speaker 8>I you know, five star guys and four star guys

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<v Speaker 8>who maybe didn't want to deal with all of it,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, everything else that comes up the crew and

513
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<v Speaker 8>you just kind of wanted to play and take a

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<v Speaker 8>school and now it's kind of more widespread. So I

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<v Speaker 8>think you have an accurate idea of kind of what's

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<v Speaker 8>going on there.

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<v Speaker 6>Steep.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, I would have to agree.

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<v Speaker 5>I think a lot of it is just more out

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<v Speaker 5>there on social media than you've ever seen before because

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<v Speaker 5>it is open, it is legal, an eel and everything.

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<v Speaker 4>What since social media was in terms.

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<v Speaker 5>Of you see parents that are kind of like marketing

524
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<v Speaker 5>their kids and like, oh, look at what my son

525
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<v Speaker 5>did today, Look at what my daughter did today.

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<v Speaker 4>Look here's her highlight video.

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<v Speaker 5>Coaches come calling taking an il deals I've seen from

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<v Speaker 5>some parents for the athlete. You didn't see that back then.

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<v Speaker 5>You couldn't have seen that back then. So I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's just more open in terms of what we see

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<v Speaker 5>in front of our faces compared to what it was

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<v Speaker 5>back in the day where don't talk about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Here you go, here's the situation. Wink quink. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So to both of you guys, I'm sure you saw,

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<v Speaker 3>or maybe you didn't, the Gundy piece Laft from last

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<v Speaker 3>week where you talked about No, you're not talking about

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<v Speaker 3>and I we're not talking about more money. It's my

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<v Speaker 3>time to coach. You had your chance before the season started.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk about it afterward. But kids are asking for

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<v Speaker 3>more money in season.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah you know, I mean go ahead, Matt you I

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<v Speaker 5>was gonna say no. I think it's a situation where

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<v Speaker 5>you know, you have these deals in place where coaches say, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>we'll give you this much money to come to this

545
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<v Speaker 5>program for the kids like, oh, I'll take this much

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<v Speaker 5>money to come that program, and then they get there.

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<v Speaker 5>There's no contracts being inside with nil. There's no like

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<v Speaker 5>legal bounding contract.

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<v Speaker 4>Well there's not.

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<v Speaker 5>What do you mean that's still an NCAA rule where

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<v Speaker 5>you can legally tie a contract to the nil deal

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of the university and the student.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're talking more of the booster doing the contract.

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<v Speaker 5>So in that case, explain, explain to me. So in

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<v Speaker 5>that case, you go, you go to a school, somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>Office Troy Troy troyon goes to goes to uh timbuck

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<v Speaker 3>to university.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they say.

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<v Speaker 5>They say, well, who's the day let's say a booster

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<v Speaker 5>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Okay, we'll.

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<v Speaker 5>Give you fifty thousand dollars to come to your university.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, you signed that contract. You go there, there's no money.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait wait, wait, wait wait the booster said this, not

565
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<v Speaker 3>the school said this. So what do you mean there's

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<v Speaker 3>no money from the booster.

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<v Speaker 5>From where the money go? Oh, we don't have the

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<v Speaker 5>money anymore. Thank you for signing. And then you see

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<v Speaker 5>the transfer happen.

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<v Speaker 4>That's happening, that's happened before, Troy, I mean you.

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<v Speaker 8>Have met Yeah, I mean I think there's a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of different layers to I think the thing that I've

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<v Speaker 8>noticed in the trend that I've noticed is that what

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<v Speaker 8>you're going to start seeing and I think people really,

575
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<v Speaker 8>you know, really truly love college football and college athletics

576
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<v Speaker 8>are going to be kind of annoyed by it, and

577
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<v Speaker 8>it's going to be like, oh, I don't like this,

578
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<v Speaker 8>is that everybody's living more towards the pro model. It's

579
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<v Speaker 8>gonna start to still a lot like the NFL. There's gms,

580
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<v Speaker 8>programs have gms. I think what you're gonna start seeing

581
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<v Speaker 8>is a lot of programs have kind of coaches who

582
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<v Speaker 8>are hands off in terms of building their own rosters.

583
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<v Speaker 8>I think that's kind of the trend. It's come up

584
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<v Speaker 8>quite a bit, and so there is going to be

585
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<v Speaker 8>that kind of aspect for somebody like Mike Gundy, where hey,

586
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<v Speaker 8>it's my time because I'm coaching where he's really not

587
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<v Speaker 8>going to have a huge end and building his actual roster.

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<v Speaker 8>And that's kind of where we're going in this whole thing,

589
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<v Speaker 8>is that the collectives are kind of like for better,

590
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<v Speaker 8>for better worse, kind of like team owners in a

591
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<v Speaker 8>lot of ways. They're the ones that are like, hey,

592
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<v Speaker 8>we need to figure out how to get these guys

593
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<v Speaker 8>to come to the school. College coaches are just becoming coaches,

594
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<v Speaker 8>and that's that's kind of what you're seeing play out,

595
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<v Speaker 8>and it's kind of the trend and the gms and

596
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<v Speaker 8>the people kind of in the front office of these

597
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<v Speaker 8>college programs are the time evaluators. They are true gms,

598
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<v Speaker 8>and so it feels like that's kind of the model

599
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<v Speaker 8>and how it's all playing out. And so I think

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<v Speaker 8>you are going to have a time and it's going

601
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<v Speaker 8>to be kind of crazy where there's going to be

602
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<v Speaker 8>players who are holding out because they're like, hey, I

603
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<v Speaker 8>want more money. I didn't perform we well in camp,

604
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<v Speaker 8>like my contract. I don't like my contract, you know.

605
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<v Speaker 8>I feel like that's not in a two distant future

606
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<v Speaker 8>that we're gonna be having those conversations, and so I

607
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<v Speaker 8>think this is kind of a tip of the iceberg

608
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<v Speaker 8>in terms of renegotiating NIL deals and stuff like that

609
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<v Speaker 8>during the season. I don't I think he's maybe it

610
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<v Speaker 8>is happening, you know, with him a little bit more

611
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<v Speaker 8>often than than what we think. That felt like a

612
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<v Speaker 8>little bit of an exaggeration for my gundee where someone's like, hey,

613
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<v Speaker 8>I'm not playing or whatever however you kind of phrased there,

614
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<v Speaker 8>I already put it. But I don't think it's not happening.

615
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<v Speaker 8>I do think that there's probably players who are like, hey,

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<v Speaker 8>I had a really good camp, looks like I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 8>start now, let's talk about the NL again.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. No, I talked about this with Jay.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking it could come to that, and Jay said,

620
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<v Speaker 3>if if you know we're not gonna play you, then

621
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<v Speaker 3>I said, that's easy to say from Tucson, Arizona sitting

622
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<v Speaker 3>in the chair because you need that guy. You need

623
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<v Speaker 3>that guy if you're gonna win.

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<v Speaker 4>You brought it for a purpose, you want to be

625
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<v Speaker 4>coaching for a long time or no.

626
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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, But to your point, De Troy, I'm a little

627
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<v Speaker 3>perplexed on this that they're being asked to come to

628
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<v Speaker 3>a university, Timbuctu University, saying that we're going to give

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<v Speaker 3>you this money a booster not to school, right, not

630
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<v Speaker 3>to school, and then they don't pay them, and then

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this is I mean, isn't.

632
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<v Speaker 8>That the whole Jade and Orshot a thing. I Mean,

633
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<v Speaker 8>this isn't that the whole deal with him in Florida

634
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<v Speaker 8>while he's doing the coach. I mean, that's a big

635
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<v Speaker 8>part of it. That's a big part of why this

636
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<v Speaker 8>all happened. Is like, there has been a lot of schools,

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<v Speaker 8>and I've talked to a lot of people who have

638
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<v Speaker 8>been involved in the process, and people who have been

639
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.440
<v Speaker 8>promised a lot of things, and people who have kind

640
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:30.160
<v Speaker 8>of been a little bit on the periphery of seeing

641
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:32.079
<v Speaker 8>all this play out. And Wow, a lot of the

642
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.799
<v Speaker 8>talk is like the numbers that you hear are not

643
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:36.759
<v Speaker 8>close to what the what the reality is.

644
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:38.640
<v Speaker 4>In a lot of cases, Wow.

645
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:40.720
<v Speaker 8>You know you're hearing millions of dollars being thrown out,

646
00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:42.559
<v Speaker 8>but kids are like, at this point, players are not

647
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:45.240
<v Speaker 8>getting millions of dollars from collectives. They just had at

648
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:47.960
<v Speaker 8>least from what I from my perspective, and talking to

649
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:52.920
<v Speaker 8>a high level players, high level recruits. In many cases,

650
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.039
<v Speaker 8>you know they're not getting what you the numbers that

651
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:57.400
<v Speaker 8>you hear, numbers that you hear are coming from different people.

652
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.440
<v Speaker 8>Sometimes those are advisors and they're saying, Hey, this is

653
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.200
<v Speaker 8>what I want my client to get, so I'm gonna

654
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 8>throw this number out this people think that's what whatever

655
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:05.640
<v Speaker 8>you know.

656
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:06.319
<v Speaker 6>And so.

657
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:09.680
<v Speaker 8>For a lot of the things that I'm kind of

658
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.720
<v Speaker 8>hearing behind the scenes, the numbers that you hear publicly

659
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.400
<v Speaker 8>are not close to what's actually being paid out, what

660
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:17.480
<v Speaker 8>the reality is for a lot of these players, and

661
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.440
<v Speaker 8>so kind of two choice playing. I mean, I haven't

662
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:23.200
<v Speaker 8>heard necessarily the fool like, hey, you're just not outright

663
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:25.480
<v Speaker 8>paying guys. I think they're still getting something in some ways,

664
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.880
<v Speaker 8>but I think the numbers have been very skew compared

665
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.920
<v Speaker 8>to what you hear versus what you know it actually

666
00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.319
<v Speaker 8>ends up in the bank account for a lot of

667
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:35.519
<v Speaker 8>these play Again, I think I think in a lot

668
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:37.279
<v Speaker 8>of case what you're gonna have happen is they're gonna

669
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:39.119
<v Speaker 8>have real contracts. Eventually, we're gonna get to that point.

670
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:41.440
<v Speaker 8>I think there's some battles going on in courts right

671
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:43.680
<v Speaker 8>now where once those get settled, I mean, it's gonna

672
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.599
<v Speaker 8>look a lot like the Pros. It's gonna look like

673
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:47.920
<v Speaker 8>a semi pro league in the not too distant future.

674
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:49.519
<v Speaker 8>I think you're gonna have a lot of things be

675
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:51.960
<v Speaker 8>kind of above board, and there's gonna be contracts and

676
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:55.400
<v Speaker 8>everyone's gonna know what everyone's making. And I mean we're

677
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:56.880
<v Speaker 8>already getting to the poin where it's gonna feel like

678
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.440
<v Speaker 8>a salary cap with uh, you know, the greatest kind

679
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:01.119
<v Speaker 8>of development where there's going to be money paid out

680
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.359
<v Speaker 8>from each school. And so we're getting closer to that,

681
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:07.119
<v Speaker 8>and I think it's probably for the better, and it

682
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:08.799
<v Speaker 8>does still feel a little bit like the Wild West

683
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.359
<v Speaker 8>in a lot of ways. But I think to the

684
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.039
<v Speaker 8>point kind of that Troup is trying to make is

685
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:18.160
<v Speaker 8>that the numbers that you hear are very different from

686
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:20.799
<v Speaker 8>what's actually being making its way into the pockets of

687
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.119
<v Speaker 8>these maybe players and their families. And so I think

688
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:25.240
<v Speaker 8>that's kind of the overarching them and kind of how

689
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:26.599
<v Speaker 8>it seems like it's been with a lot of the

690
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:27.240
<v Speaker 8>nil stuff.

691
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 3>Well, didn't I recently see and you guys probably saw

692
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:33.519
<v Speaker 3>this too, that Arizona's trying to hire somebody who to

693
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.319
<v Speaker 3>deal with all this stuff. Uh, the anil guy, I know,

694
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:40.440
<v Speaker 3>kind of like a chief of nil or whatever.

695
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.000
<v Speaker 4>Kind of like a chief of the collective.

696
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.599
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, they have somebody now who does their own

697
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:49.359
<v Speaker 3>collective right for football, uh will mister Wells, Wells, But

698
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about I'm talking about a guy who handles

699
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.279
<v Speaker 3>this for the for the kids or the students to

700
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.519
<v Speaker 3>knowing that they're getting money or where it's going or whatever.

701
00:29:58.119 --> 00:29:58.519
<v Speaker 4>Is that right?

702
00:29:58.559 --> 00:29:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Do you know?

703
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.720
<v Speaker 4>I think they're trying to hire some like that personally.

704
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:02.480
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I.

705
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:09.240
<v Speaker 8>Go ahead, Matt, Yeah, I mean I think that I

706
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:11.400
<v Speaker 8>think that that's a trend that you're seeing with a

707
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:13.440
<v Speaker 8>lot of a lot of programs right now, is that

708
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:15.799
<v Speaker 8>you just the coaches don't want to have to deal

709
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:17.119
<v Speaker 8>with this. And I think what you see with somebody

710
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 8>like my Gundy is that the frustration of like, I

711
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:21.480
<v Speaker 8>just want to coach football, right and in talking to

712
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:24.440
<v Speaker 8>coaches and in hearing different kind of perspectives about this,

713
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 8>I think that's the overarching kind of scene with a

714
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.640
<v Speaker 8>lot of actual college football coaches like I don't really

715
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:31.759
<v Speaker 8>want to have to deal with it. Yes, it's the reality.

716
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:33.359
<v Speaker 8>It's what I have to do right now. But if

717
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:35.039
<v Speaker 8>I could give this to somebody else to deal with it,

718
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.599
<v Speaker 8>I could just coach football. I would be much happier.

719
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.480
<v Speaker 8>And so there is going to be so much money

720
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:43.319
<v Speaker 8>because of new you know, TV deals and new media

721
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.720
<v Speaker 8>rights deals around the country and all this conference in alignment.

722
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:47.559
<v Speaker 8>There's going to be a ton of money flowing into

723
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:49.519
<v Speaker 8>these programs. And so I think you're going to see

724
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:50.960
<v Speaker 8>it used in those types of ways where you're going

725
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:54.039
<v Speaker 8>to have somebody who's kind of just the almost kind

726
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:55.680
<v Speaker 8>of a CFO in a lot of ways that you know,

727
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:58.079
<v Speaker 8>the financial office, the chip financial officer of a program

728
00:30:58.079 --> 00:30:59.559
<v Speaker 8>going like all right, I need to figure out how

729
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:02.519
<v Speaker 8>to you know, disciminate all this money and figure out

730
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:05.720
<v Speaker 8>how to make this all work. And so yeah, I

731
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:07.200
<v Speaker 8>mean I think they'll see it at Arizona. I think

732
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.559
<v Speaker 8>they'll see it every major program that understands how big

733
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:11.519
<v Speaker 8>football is going to be and where they want to

734
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.680
<v Speaker 8>go next. So yeah, I imagine you know that it's

735
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:16.440
<v Speaker 8>going to be very similar at plays like Arizona and

736
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.519
<v Speaker 8>any other school that the Arizona is going to be playing.

737
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.079
<v Speaker 8>In many cases, well didn't.

738
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:24.960
<v Speaker 3>With with the program here and I just lost my

739
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 3>train of thought, Well, you're talking about coaches not having

740
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.519
<v Speaker 3>to say, but wouldn't they have to sign off on

741
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 3>this kid if they're going to give, you know, give

742
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:32.519
<v Speaker 3>him something.

743
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:34.920
<v Speaker 4>He has to have the roster. He knows the roster.

744
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:38.039
<v Speaker 5>But well, I think what Matt's kind of saying is,

745
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.079
<v Speaker 5>you know, they'll bring and we've heard coaches talk about

746
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.839
<v Speaker 5>this before and with GMS and stuff like that, yea, yeah,

747
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 5>is they'll go out and scout some players that they

748
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 5>think will figure and add to the program.

749
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:49.920
<v Speaker 4>In addition to the program.

750
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.400
<v Speaker 5>Here's let's say four running backs. Here are the top

751
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:54.400
<v Speaker 5>four backs in the country that we really like and

752
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:56.079
<v Speaker 5>want to add to the program. Right, and then the

753
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:58.799
<v Speaker 5>coach watches the tape seas which one he likes, and goes, okay,

754
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:02.279
<v Speaker 5>let's go after these two. Prioritize these too. You're cutting

755
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.400
<v Speaker 5>the recruiting time kind of in half.

756
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:06.519
<v Speaker 3>Or the head coaching isn't that the process already? Wasn't

757
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:08.160
<v Speaker 3>that process for that's part of it.

758
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:10.680
<v Speaker 5>But instead of like going over and seeing some kid

759
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.720
<v Speaker 5>out in you know, Northeast whatever, Yeah, you have tape

760
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:15.880
<v Speaker 5>already in front of you of the top guys that

761
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:16.839
<v Speaker 5>your staff.

762
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:17.480
<v Speaker 4>Things you're interested in.

763
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Twenty twenty four has become very complicated. Honestly, it's been

764
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.480
<v Speaker 3>over It's kind of an overstated. You go after guys,

765
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:27.240
<v Speaker 3>you like, I guess now you have to pay them

766
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.880
<v Speaker 3>whatever they want or or maybe and then not pay them.

767
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.359
<v Speaker 3>You're kind of like a I don't know what the

768
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:37.799
<v Speaker 3>word is, because it's happening. You bring come on in,

769
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 3>come on in and sign here, and then oh, we

770
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 3>don't have the money to pay. It's not the aunt

771
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.119
<v Speaker 3>is not right right, right, so the kid, I guess,

772
00:32:44.119 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 3>and that prompts the kid to.

773
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.400
<v Speaker 5>Leave, and then there you go with the transfer portal. Yeah,

774
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:50.720
<v Speaker 5>and you know you also have other programs making kids

775
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 5>promises right transfer there and then it doesn't happen.

776
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, whatever, Well, Matt, I wouldn't believe you until

777
00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:59.200
<v Speaker 3>you threw that name out for the kid who went

778
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 3>to issue the quarterback. Therefore what was important? Yeah, yeah,

779
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:04.279
<v Speaker 3>it makes total sense.

780
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:06.799
<v Speaker 8>I mean, he's doing the head coach because he didn't

781
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 8>get paid as an al money. I mean, that's just

782
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.839
<v Speaker 8>a conversation that is very real and very it's happening,

783
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:14.440
<v Speaker 8>and it would have been unthinkable, you know, a handful

784
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 8>of years ago. But it's like, oh, yeah, that's nothing

785
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.880
<v Speaker 8>that seems too out of a normal With that situation,

786
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:21.000
<v Speaker 8>it's going to be something that obviously comes up and

787
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 8>people are going to pay attention to me because you

788
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:24.599
<v Speaker 8>can tell us a lot about what happens next. But

789
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:28.680
<v Speaker 8>the fact that it's not unfathomable that a player would

790
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:31.079
<v Speaker 8>do a coach, a head coach and the program and

791
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.839
<v Speaker 8>a collective for not being paid money that he was

792
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:36.440
<v Speaker 8>promised is a wild thing to think about, but it

793
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:37.400
<v Speaker 8>is a reality right now.

794
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:41.680
<v Speaker 3>Promise verbally but not contractually, Yeah, no, just verbal agreements.

795
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Does this made your guys life tougher or does it

796
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:45.640
<v Speaker 3>not affect you?

797
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 5>I think the transfer portal makes everybody's lives tougher in

798
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.279
<v Speaker 5>terms of recruiting, because you know, you have to allow

799
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.519
<v Speaker 5>the high school recruits and whatnot, and you focused.

800
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:54.119
<v Speaker 4>So much time on that.

801
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.599
<v Speaker 5>All of a sudden, National signing Day comes around and

802
00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.519
<v Speaker 5>fifteen transfers hit in at the same time. So how

803
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:03.519
<v Speaker 5>do you cover thirty five forty kids that are going

804
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:04.480
<v Speaker 5>to coppropriate.

805
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.359
<v Speaker 3>To that point, Matt, we talked about this all the

806
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 3>time because we talked to the jc's I think in

807
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:12.480
<v Speaker 3>affect the JC programs because now they're not even being

808
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:16.519
<v Speaker 3>recruited or recruiting less because now schools need players who've

809
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:18.519
<v Speaker 3>already been in the system. They know what to do,

810
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:21.239
<v Speaker 3>their veterans, and the high school levels are kind of like, well,

811
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.519
<v Speaker 3>this guy will played right away or play soon, let's

812
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:25.960
<v Speaker 3>go for him, and the periphery high school guys are

813
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:26.760
<v Speaker 3>not being recruited.

814
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:29.800
<v Speaker 8>I would say that's accurate. I mean, I think that's

815
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:31.639
<v Speaker 8>exactly what's happening. I mean, you're seeing a lot of

816
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:34.599
<v Speaker 8>right now is that you know, some of these you

817
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 8>have to be a very very good junior college player

818
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.519
<v Speaker 8>to get on, you know, a powerful roster right now

819
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.679
<v Speaker 8>because or you have to have some really strong connections

820
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:42.880
<v Speaker 8>that we're seeing as well. And obviously that's happened at Arizona.

821
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 8>You know, they have some those connections back to the

822
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:46.719
<v Speaker 8>College of San Mateo up in the Bay Area, and

823
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 8>so it kind of works out that way. But you're

824
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:51.760
<v Speaker 8>seeing that a lot where you guys on the periphery

825
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.119
<v Speaker 8>are are they're not being looked at as much as

826
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.119
<v Speaker 8>you know, somebody else there as much as they would

827
00:34:58.119 --> 00:34:59.920
<v Speaker 8>have in the past because of what you just mentioned,

828
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.360
<v Speaker 8>which is, hey, if you only have so much nil

829
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.559
<v Speaker 8>to send. If you only have so much so many

830
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.920
<v Speaker 8>roster spots now pretty soon and you need to figure

831
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.719
<v Speaker 8>out how to make it all work, you're gonna want

832
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:12.159
<v Speaker 8>the guy that's ready to go and ready to play

833
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.199
<v Speaker 8>right now. And so I think talking to a lot

834
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 8>of coaches and getting it in a feel for it,

835
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:17.960
<v Speaker 8>that's where a lot of programs are leaning. They want,

836
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:19.880
<v Speaker 8>you know, they want the transfers. They want if you're

837
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 8>going to be you know, spending that money on somebody,

838
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:25.639
<v Speaker 8>you want somebody that you have seen and have game

839
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 8>pape of, you know, at the college level. And so

840
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.119
<v Speaker 8>I think that's something that you're really seeing kind of

841
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:33.000
<v Speaker 8>become a trend where it's like, hey, we want to

842
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:35.119
<v Speaker 8>proven thing. I think if you ask any coach, probably

843
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.440
<v Speaker 8>we talked about with Arizona basketball, where it's like, you know,

844
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.119
<v Speaker 8>some fans are talking about like, oh, they lost the

845
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:41.000
<v Speaker 8>recruits during the summer, but yeah, it's like, oh, yeah,

846
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 8>you got three guys who have played and been through

847
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:44.400
<v Speaker 8>the battles. Do you want, Like, which one do you want?

848
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:45.840
<v Speaker 8>I think every coach was like, yeah, I want the

849
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.840
<v Speaker 8>guys who have played like every time. So I think

850
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:51.039
<v Speaker 8>that's kind of the battle right now that you know,

851
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:52.960
<v Speaker 8>football programs are going through right now, and I think

852
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.320
<v Speaker 8>the trend feels like coaches are like, give us the

853
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 8>shirt thing or the post the shirt thing versus you know,

854
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:00.000
<v Speaker 8>a high school kid that we just don't know right now,

855
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.679
<v Speaker 8>and so it's unfortunate because there are you know, two

856
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<v Speaker 8>stars study. You know, maybe he doesn't end up at

857
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:08.159
<v Speaker 8>a at a four year school, maybe he has to

858
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<v Speaker 8>go to junior college out and he ends up becoming

859
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<v Speaker 8>really becomes and so uh, some guys are going to

860
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<v Speaker 8>miss out and from lower you know, lower level recruits

861
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:17.679
<v Speaker 8>are not going to have the opportunities they had before.

862
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.280
<v Speaker 8>But we'll see, we'll see what happens. But yeah, that's

863
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.199
<v Speaker 8>definitely been the trend is like, you know, let's go

864
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:23.760
<v Speaker 8>after the shirt thing and and some guys that we

865
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:26.079
<v Speaker 8>have college tape on it and and go from there.

866
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<v Speaker 4>Okay, very interesting from you guys. Very interesting.

867
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<v Speaker 3>Okay, thanks Matt, absolutely okay, thank you, thanks guys. We'll

868
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:36.679
<v Speaker 3>take a break a little over and come back and

869
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.320
<v Speaker 3>talk more about this, and maybe callers are interested in

870
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 3>this because.

871
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<v Speaker 4>Wow, wow, wild west, wild west, but this is even

872
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 4>makes it even more crazy.

873
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Promising money and then you get here and says, oh sorry,

874
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:52.199
<v Speaker 3>it's a it's a lucy thing pulling the ball from

875
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<v Speaker 3>your from from from the kicker.

876
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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for signing, Thanks.

877
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<v Speaker 3>For saying, are you the obligate? Let's go, Let's stick

878
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879
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<v Speaker 1>Breaking down all the exes at Alls. It's Steve Lavera

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<v Speaker 1>and Jagen Salmins. This is I on the Ball on

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<v Speaker 1>Fox Sports fourteenth dift.

913
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<v Speaker 4>Hey, welcome back to I'm About Here on Fox Sports

914
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<v Speaker 4>fourteen fifty.

915
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:44.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm Steve.

916
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:48.920
<v Speaker 4>You're Troy at P's Ryan.

917
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:51.239
<v Speaker 3>I had to take a volume because I don't know

918
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.000
<v Speaker 3>what the hell you guys were just saying, because it's

919
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:56.480
<v Speaker 3>surprising to me, like, like, you know, you guys know this,

920
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.480
<v Speaker 3>and you guys have known this, what do you use

921
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 3>to It's a little surprising to me. You ask these

922
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:05.440
<v Speaker 3>kids to come, thanks for stunning. You don't have any

923
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:07.760
<v Speaker 3>more money in the wallet. I kind of get that.

924
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.320
<v Speaker 3>But this is like a deliberate beret and switch.

925
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And there have been cases where it has worked

926
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.159
<v Speaker 5>the other way, where you know, the kid gets the money,

927
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:19.800
<v Speaker 5>he's a four, three, four or five. You get the money,

928
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 5>you know, and then you don't go, and then you

929
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.400
<v Speaker 5>spend it in terms of helping out your family, and

930
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:27.000
<v Speaker 5>then you flip your commitment to a different st and

931
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.880
<v Speaker 5>there's no people to tell you financially or legally to

932
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Speaker 5>the money. So programs are like, why aren't you coming here? Well,

933
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:36.719
<v Speaker 5>I'm going here. Okay, we need the money back. Yeah

934
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:38.239
<v Speaker 5>it's gone. Sorry, it's gone.

935
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:43.719
<v Speaker 4>You know this for effect, It's happened a couple of times. Wow,

936
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:44.679
<v Speaker 4>at the.

937
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:48.599
<v Speaker 3>University of Aera. Okay, good, good, good, Well you guys

938
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.000
<v Speaker 3>covered more than you know. You guys cover more than Arizona.

939
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:55.039
<v Speaker 3>So you guys are work because you guys follow those kids. Uh,

940
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.760
<v Speaker 3>this is chaotic. This is chaotic and wow to me,

941
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.159
<v Speaker 3>maybe I'm naive and I've been out of the recruiting

942
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:03.840
<v Speaker 3>business for a long time, thank thankfully, and this is good, thankfully,

943
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.800
<v Speaker 3>because how do you operate?

944
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:11.679
<v Speaker 5>You don't, it's hard to It's very much a shot

945
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.159
<v Speaker 5>in the dark RUSS situation going on right now. And

946
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:16.880
<v Speaker 5>that's why you know, with the GMS and everything that

947
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:20.960
<v Speaker 5>you have on getting to a salary art contract is

948
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:22.519
<v Speaker 5>probably gonna happen in the future.

949
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you something because somebody posted this on

950
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:27.440
<v Speaker 3>my Facebook page after they read about the Red Blue Game.

951
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:31.679
<v Speaker 3>You could be as honest or you could be You

952
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 3>can say it or not say it, because I want

953
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:36.960
<v Speaker 3>you to be honest. Have you heard that ub A

954
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 3>former players athletes? I guess men and women I don't

955
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:45.159
<v Speaker 3>know are now kind of going or kind of requesting

956
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.199
<v Speaker 3>money before the nil stuff that they played here forever

957
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:51.039
<v Speaker 3>and well, I guess something came out with JT and

958
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:54.440
<v Speaker 3>BEJ because their name and likeness came into the night.

959
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 4>He said, tournament video. Correct. Do you see other people

960
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:01.800
<v Speaker 4>do going back and say you owe this money from.

961
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.480
<v Speaker 5>Being I'm sure there will you know, I mean when

962
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.920
<v Speaker 5>you have one. There's many, right, But do I think

963
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:11.280
<v Speaker 5>it's gonna come to anything, I personally don't. I don't

964
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Speaker 5>see how you backtrack and say we owe this person money,

965
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:16.920
<v Speaker 5>we owe that person money. You're you're going down to

966
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:17.920
<v Speaker 5>slippery slope.

967
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:19.079
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure sure.

968
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:23.360
<v Speaker 3>But the way that the NCAA is killing the ubate

969
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:27.199
<v Speaker 3>the institutions, I don't know about that. Maybe they have

970
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 3>a chance, a fighter's chance to get you know, back

971
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:32.920
<v Speaker 3>somebody who played in twenty fifteen and didn't see anything

972
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:36.480
<v Speaker 3>into you know, hey, I helped this program. What about me?

973
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.760
<v Speaker 5>And that they don't Let's say that, you know, we're

974
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:41.280
<v Speaker 5>not going to pay that person, but legally we're supposed to.

975
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.599
<v Speaker 5>How much does that change intro videos and stuff that

976
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.199
<v Speaker 5>they use in terms of promotional stuff or the tournament.

977
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:50.079
<v Speaker 5>Maybe they don't have the ninety seven Wildcats in their

978
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.760
<v Speaker 5>promotion video after you know, the tournament.

979
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:56.440
<v Speaker 4>Maybe that's not there. Yeah.

980
00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:01.719
<v Speaker 3>Wow, Well it's just crazy, crazy time. Uh And you

981
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:03.960
<v Speaker 3>guys know, I mean there's I'm sure there's been a

982
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:07.159
<v Speaker 3>player or two here at Uveay that said they were

983
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:08.480
<v Speaker 3>coming in didn't chill up.

984
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.000
<v Speaker 5>You know, there's been a player or two at Arizona

985
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.280
<v Speaker 5>that said they're coming didn't show up, and then this

986
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.800
<v Speaker 5>staff was able to get them back on the roster.

987
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:19.360
<v Speaker 5>You know, we saw that this off season with Jared

988
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.840
<v Speaker 5>krossky Merritt Jihori, the running back out of New Mexico.

989
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:26.239
<v Speaker 5>He was committed to Arizona. There is some issue with

990
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:28.920
<v Speaker 5>the is he eligible for another year of college or

991
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:32.400
<v Speaker 5>not not a lot of programs understood that he went

992
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.760
<v Speaker 5>to Ole Miss, didn't come here during the spring. Ole

993
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 5>Miss still wasn't sold if he had another year of eligibility.

994
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:41.760
<v Speaker 5>Arizona staff figured it out, said yes, he definitely does,

995
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:43.079
<v Speaker 5>and they got everything cleared.

996
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:45.000
<v Speaker 4>He came over to Arizona and that was.

997
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Then wait, wait, so that's the that's the sole reason

998
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:49.800
<v Speaker 3>why he didn't end up in Minsio, Mississippi is one

999
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:50.360
<v Speaker 3>of the reasons.

1000
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.079
<v Speaker 4>One of the can you say the other one?

1001
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.920
<v Speaker 5>But but, but eligibility did play a part in terms

1002
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 5>of how he ended up at Arizona. Arizona believing that

1003
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:01.480
<v Speaker 5>he did and stuck with.

1004
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:01.920
<v Speaker 4>Him with that.

1005
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:06.199
<v Speaker 3>Thankfully, I'm not in your line of work anymore. My

1006
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:11.199
<v Speaker 3>twenty seven thirty years of those a lot easier, especially

1007
00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:14.000
<v Speaker 3>you kind of know when you can't say I can,

1008
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.480
<v Speaker 3>I can infer or I can kind of come up

1009
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:19.000
<v Speaker 3>with some reasons. But okay, more power. Arizona has him

1010
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:21.840
<v Speaker 3>and he's supposed to be. He's apparently very good.

1011
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:23.800
<v Speaker 5>You know, out of all the running backs they have

1012
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:25.960
<v Speaker 5>in the room, I think he's probably the top back.

1013
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:29.559
<v Speaker 5>It's a very loaded backfield. But he's a special guy.

1014
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:31.199
<v Speaker 5>He kind of reminds me. And I'm not saying he's

1015
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:32.920
<v Speaker 5>going to have a great of a year as this

1016
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:36.159
<v Speaker 5>guy because the game is different, but the rare combination

1017
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.400
<v Speaker 5>of speed of power that Arizona really hasn't had. Some

1018
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:40.000
<v Speaker 5>say Nick Wilson.

1019
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Could even carry that kind of era of running backs. Well, well,

1020
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.840
<v Speaker 4>you had last year's guy, Coleman Coleman, but I mean

1021
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:48.119
<v Speaker 4>you're talking about a power back that can't right away

1022
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:49.840
<v Speaker 4>from the rest of the Oh, so this guy has both.

1023
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:51.599
<v Speaker 5>This guy has his speed a great way.

1024
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:52.119
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

1025
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:55.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Leamont loved it. It was very high on him that

1026
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:58.800
<v Speaker 3>he too hadn't seen a guy like him in a while. Yeah,

1027
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Kadeem was very powerful and some speed. You know, he

1028
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.800
<v Speaker 3>wasn't as fast, But what about speedy Luke? Are we

1029
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:05.679
<v Speaker 3>gonna see much of him?

1030
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:07.800
<v Speaker 5>I think you're going to see this coaching staff use

1031
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.239
<v Speaker 5>speedy in a way that the previous staff was unable

1032
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.480
<v Speaker 5>to do. Get him out in space. Yeah, you know, maybe.

1033
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.280
<v Speaker 4>Some kick returns, some reverses.

1034
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:17.519
<v Speaker 5>Whatever little gadget plays that you dropped to get them

1035
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:19.719
<v Speaker 5>the ball. So you're talking about, you know, load to

1036
00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:20.760
<v Speaker 5>backfield of four guys.

1037
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:21.760
<v Speaker 4>But if you can get them the.

1038
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:25.760
<v Speaker 5>Ball ten fifteen times somewhere in there that magic number

1039
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:27.880
<v Speaker 5>throughout a game, and let's say two of those are

1040
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.679
<v Speaker 5>big plays a forty yr player or touchdown, it's well worth.

1041
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Then you're well, yeah, yeah, in fact, do you think

1042
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:37.960
<v Speaker 3>that's gonna happen? One and two? I think maybe last year,

1043
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.280
<v Speaker 3>the previous year he is handling the ball was a question.

1044
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:43.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, I do think it's gonna happen.

1045
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:45.760
<v Speaker 5>I do think this staff has shown that they're able

1046
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:49.320
<v Speaker 5>to use speed in smaller backs compared to the previous staff.

1047
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.039
<v Speaker 5>And in terms of the fumbling issue, you know, I

1048
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.920
<v Speaker 5>always thought that was an interesting situation with Jetfish and

1049
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Speaker 5>that coaching staff because during the spring he did have

1050
00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:59.840
<v Speaker 5>a fumbling issue. There was no doubt he'd probably put

1051
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:02.159
<v Speaker 5>the ball on the ground four or five times throughout

1052
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:04.960
<v Speaker 5>the spring practice, but during training camp he locked in

1053
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.119
<v Speaker 5>and I think he fumbled once and Jad mentioned the

1054
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:11.639
<v Speaker 5>fumbling issues at the end of training camp, so it

1055
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.400
<v Speaker 5>just really didn't coincide what was going on at the time.

1056
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.159
<v Speaker 3>Okay, makes sense, and he's he's older, he's probably stronger.

1057
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 3>We talked about this. You know that he's gonna get

1058
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:23.960
<v Speaker 3>his chance. Well, it's tough to play a freshman when

1059
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.440
<v Speaker 3>you're you know your your speed and then you maybe

1060
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:28.280
<v Speaker 3>have an issue as you get older. You should be

1061
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.800
<v Speaker 3>getting better, right, you should be getting better, more and

1062
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.320
<v Speaker 3>more reliable, yet yet stronger, bigger, stronger, So it makes

1063
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.360
<v Speaker 3>total sense that he'll have more of an impact. Obviously,

1064
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:40.519
<v Speaker 3>Arizona has the quarterback in the receiver. There was another

1065
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:42.599
<v Speaker 3>receiver out there that was doing very well.

1066
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:43.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Jeremiah Patterson.

1067
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.280
<v Speaker 5>I mean he's wearing number two and he shows flashes

1068
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:51.000
<v Speaker 5>of Jacob Cowing, very similar style of playing, very great

1069
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 5>route runner, good speed. It's going to be that slot

1070
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:56.719
<v Speaker 5>receiver for Arizona. I think he's a little bit faster

1071
00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:59.599
<v Speaker 5>than Jacob is, but Jacob's a little bit better of

1072
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.079
<v Speaker 5>a route on her. So I think Arizona was able

1073
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:04.760
<v Speaker 5>to find their number two receiver even though it's in spot.

1074
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.679
<v Speaker 5>This is a guy that could put up seven, eight,

1075
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:09.159
<v Speaker 5>nine hundred yards this season.

1076
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:11.679
<v Speaker 4>Right, Well, somebody I had listening to somebody, maybe I

1077
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:12.760
<v Speaker 4>read something the.

1078
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:16.400
<v Speaker 3>Name again Jeremiah Pattins that he was very good and

1079
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:19.960
<v Speaker 3>that Cowan's obviously very good too. But he'll kind of

1080
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:21.960
<v Speaker 3>be used the same way.

1081
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:24.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think very similarly, where you line them up

1082
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 5>in the slot sometimes come on the outside. Again, Gadget

1083
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.119
<v Speaker 5>plays kind of reverses. He's going to be used in

1084
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.360
<v Speaker 5>the punning game. So I think that's going to be

1085
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.079
<v Speaker 5>critical for Arizona to have a sure hand guy with

1086
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:36.119
<v Speaker 5>elite speed.

1087
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Okay, well it looks like it looks like Arizona

1088
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:43.519
<v Speaker 3>was pretty exciting last year obviously with team Mac and

1089
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Noah after the change and then a Coleman who I

1090
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.239
<v Speaker 3>thought was fantastic and gave him that opportunity because he

1091
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 3>got a lot of yards opened up other situations that

1092
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:56.039
<v Speaker 3>this this program, now under this coaching staff, will have

1093
00:46:56.079 --> 00:47:00.760
<v Speaker 3>more of a more of an open, open, open eye,

1094
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:04.000
<v Speaker 3>if that's the right word, open philosophy to the offensive.

1095
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:04.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1096
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:06.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think you're going to see a lot more

1097
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.480
<v Speaker 5>guys get in there offensively than you did last season.

1098
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:11.840
<v Speaker 5>You know, last year Arizona was set with three receivers. Yeah,

1099
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:15.000
<v Speaker 5>really didn't deviate from that. This coaching staff's probably going

1100
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:16.920
<v Speaker 5>to use somewhere from five to six. You're going to

1101
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:20.000
<v Speaker 5>see guys rotat in and out. Obviously, guys like t

1102
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:21.920
<v Speaker 5>mc and Patterson are going to be on the field,

1103
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.159
<v Speaker 5>but they're going to give the younger receivers an opportunity

1104
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:27.199
<v Speaker 5>to shine and see what they can do. And same

1105
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:29.280
<v Speaker 5>with the running back group. You know Michael Wiley, DJ

1106
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:31.960
<v Speaker 5>Williams and Coleman last year. Yeah, they're going four deep

1107
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:33.760
<v Speaker 5>this season. So you're going to see a lot of

1108
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:34.639
<v Speaker 5>combinations of that.

1109
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.079
<v Speaker 4>So tell me, because I'm sure you've been paying attention.

1110
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.840
<v Speaker 4>I have not. The guys who went to the NFL

1111
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:41.960
<v Speaker 4>after last year. How are they doing? Are they still around?

1112
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:42.559
<v Speaker 4>You know?

1113
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.400
<v Speaker 5>Last time I saw I believe that Jordan Morgan is

1114
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:47.880
<v Speaker 5>now inside playing guard for the Green Bay Packers. We

1115
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:51.039
<v Speaker 5>should ask Matt and being a backround yet, but I

1116
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:52.679
<v Speaker 5>think they moved him to guard, which I think a

1117
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.639
<v Speaker 5>lot of people thought that might be the case when

1118
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:56.800
<v Speaker 5>he went on to the next level. And then Jake

1119
00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:59.440
<v Speaker 5>County has had a very nice training camp. So with

1120
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.159
<v Speaker 5>forty nine ers, but you know they have a very

1121
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:04.400
<v Speaker 5>loaded receiving board. So how much are you going to

1122
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:04.880
<v Speaker 5>see the field.

1123
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.880
<v Speaker 4>But if you can get into special teams, they'll be

1124
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 4>anybody else.

1125
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:11.400
<v Speaker 5>I'm missing one. There is one more, but I'm missing

1126
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:12.960
<v Speaker 5>the name, MIKEL.

1127
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.079
<v Speaker 4>Wiley. That's why I mentioned the name. I don't want

1128
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:16.719
<v Speaker 4>to go there. Michael Wiley. No, he's had a very

1129
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.159
<v Speaker 4>nice campusy okay, so that's good.

1130
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:20.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you could just tell if anybody who's a

1131
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:25.320
<v Speaker 3>little bitter about Jed stop. He bought some great talent

1132
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.440
<v Speaker 3>and great is you know the word I'll use, but

1133
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:30.239
<v Speaker 3>it's much better than what it used to be.

1134
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.239
<v Speaker 5>And he developed them because let me ask you this,

1135
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 5>are Michael Wiley and Jordan Morgan in the NFL without

1136
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:36.079
<v Speaker 5>jet fishing that stuff?

1137
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 4>Probably not not.

1138
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 5>I mean with someone Jordan Morgan was barely a starter

1139
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 5>on the offense. The line of Wiley was barely used.

1140
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:44.440
<v Speaker 5>Now you're talking about a first round draft pick and

1141
00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:45.400
<v Speaker 5>in ANFL draft pick.

1142
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:48.239
<v Speaker 3>No, And what's the key to being a good coach

1143
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:50.159
<v Speaker 3>Developing developing the kids?

1144
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:50.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

1145
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, whether you can coach xs and but developing

1146
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:56.000
<v Speaker 3>is the huge that's what makes a coach.

1147
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:58.840
<v Speaker 5>And I don't think avers gonna had seen that type

1148
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:01.480
<v Speaker 5>of developing since the Mike Steeps era because a lot

1149
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:03.639
<v Speaker 5>of people like to trash on Mike Steeves, but he

1150
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.159
<v Speaker 5>put guys into the league and they haven't seen that

1151
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:06.599
<v Speaker 5>in a while.

1152
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, Luke did that with whatever people he

1153
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:14.519
<v Speaker 3>brought in. Uh, I think that, Uh, Tommy's doing that now.

1154
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.119
<v Speaker 4>Sean. He got kids that were already in the NBA.

1155
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:20.039
<v Speaker 4>They're gonna make it. They were gonna make it. That's

1156
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:20.880
<v Speaker 4>the Cali Party move.

1157
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I'm not sure if if Color Party

1158
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 3>develops him, they go there for the rented player for

1159
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:28.400
<v Speaker 3>the six months and they're gone.

1160
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Speaker 5>I think what with Sean, there's only one player you

1161
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:32.880
<v Speaker 5>can say in terms of development that they really did

1162
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:33.360
<v Speaker 5>some work.

1163
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:37.000
<v Speaker 4>On because Uh, I think I think Solomon Hill is

1164
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:37.360
<v Speaker 4>the one.

1165
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, and he was not a he was not Yeah,

1166
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 3>I'll give you that, but he was not a Sean guy.

1167
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.719
<v Speaker 4>To begin with. Uh, because he was he was at

1168
00:49:44.719 --> 00:49:47.920
<v Speaker 4>the cusp of he was being recruited.

1169
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.880
<v Speaker 5>Earlier, recruited by USC because when Tim Floyd was hart

1170
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:56.159
<v Speaker 5>from usc M, Derek Williams and Momo Uh recommitted Arizona.

1171
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:58.480
<v Speaker 3>When Sean went home, poo poo that because but when

1172
00:49:58.559 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Luke was around, he was being recruited.

1173
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:00.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1174
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Then and then he eventually left because lout left and

1175
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:04.400
<v Speaker 3>he went to USC. No, you're right, I'll give this

1176
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.840
<v Speaker 3>one to Sean because but he he's a mcconnall guy.

1177
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:11.440
<v Speaker 3>He self made, self made, a guy who was determined

1178
00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:15.000
<v Speaker 3>to be somebody smart IQ dude could play the game,

1179
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:22.039
<v Speaker 3>not over flashy. Uh and uh and what was the.

1180
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:21.800
<v Speaker 4>The block god?

1181
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 3>I did a huge story on him for Basketball Times

1182
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:27.679
<v Speaker 3>second the first second pick of the Derek Williams. He

1183
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.280
<v Speaker 3>he was not developed. He could just play right and

1184
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.920
<v Speaker 3>he played on an instinct. He was fantastic until had

1185
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.239
<v Speaker 3>he been developed. Had he been developed, Troy, he would

1186
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:36.079
<v Speaker 3>have had a longer career.

1187
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:37.800
<v Speaker 4>Maybe a longer I don't know.

1188
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.000
<v Speaker 5>If it still wouldn't have been a buzz factor at

1189
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:41.639
<v Speaker 5>the number two pick, as you're talking about. To do

1190
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:47.480
<v Speaker 5>that was a little bit of a twer, not fast enough, true.

1191
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:48.320
<v Speaker 3>But they wouldn't pick him at number two otherwise if

1192
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:51.840
<v Speaker 3>they didn't see that he was capable. So if he

1193
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.719
<v Speaker 3>had more basketball in him, he would have lasted a

1194
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:59.000
<v Speaker 3>little bit longer. I think I could be wrong. Yeah, okay,

1195
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:03.280
<v Speaker 3>well what kind of continue this this uh this thing

1196
00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:05.360
<v Speaker 3>we have or teas coming on the other side. You

1197
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:08.199
<v Speaker 3>said he's coaching now, right, so he sees I'm sure

1198
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:09.679
<v Speaker 3>he's seen these with the kids.

1199
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:11.559
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if he's seen this with the kids.

1200
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:13.760
<v Speaker 5>You know, I haven't talked to any high school coaches

1201
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 5>and right now he's training quarterbacks, developing quarterbacks in California.

1202
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:20.480
<v Speaker 3>But well, that's kind of my point. I mean, if

1203
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.800
<v Speaker 3>he's got good ones, yeah, they're saying, hey, show me

1204
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:25.280
<v Speaker 3>the money.

1205
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:27.920
<v Speaker 5>Well that that too, and and you know, I'm sure

1206
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.199
<v Speaker 5>he's stalked to a lot of coaches across the country.

1207
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:32.760
<v Speaker 5>You know, how good is this kid? Is this kid worth?

1208
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:34.960
<v Speaker 5>And I know, is this kid worth coming to our

1209
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:37.519
<v Speaker 5>program and whatnot? And I'm sure he's very up run

1210
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:39.440
<v Speaker 5>and honest with him. And he has a kid going

1211
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:40.320
<v Speaker 5>to Oklahoma right now.

1212
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:42.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I'm sure they should him the money.

1213
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:44.079
<v Speaker 5>Who knows.

1214
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:46.840
<v Speaker 3>If you see, you know, if you're Oklahoma good, you're

1215
00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:51.280
<v Speaker 3>not just going to you know, eat corn and have fun.

1216
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're you're gonna go and play. I mean,

1217
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:54.079
<v Speaker 3>if you've got to.

1218
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.800
<v Speaker 4>Be good, is that is that the definition of on

1219
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:57.639
<v Speaker 4>a normal and then have fun.

1220
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.679
<v Speaker 3>You know, I've only been there a few times there,

1221
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:06.159
<v Speaker 3>Nebraska and Iowa. I was being stupid as usual. Okay,

1222
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:08.239
<v Speaker 3>what time is it. We have about a minute left,

1223
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:10.679
<v Speaker 3>so we're gonna finish here. Go to your break and

1224
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:13.920
<v Speaker 3>you have a lot of breaking news.

1225
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:13.360
<v Speaker 4>Got a few things.

1226
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:18.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, do it like your job depending on it? O? Great,

1227
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:22.920
<v Speaker 3>So we'll go with that. Talk to Ortiz. Yeah, if

1228
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.159
<v Speaker 3>you go, well, we'll talk our way through this whole thing.

1229
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Talk to Ortiz and let me get back to other

1230
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 3>things on the other side. Maybe get a call or

1231
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:33.559
<v Speaker 3>two at the end of next next hour. Okay, we're

1232
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:34.079
<v Speaker 3>ready to go.
