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Speaker 2: Kent Spencer from Whas eleven Kent. How we doing, brother
Speaker 2: House twenty twenty five. Treating you so far, so far,
Speaker 2: so good? Maybe good to have you back. And man,
Speaker 2: a really good basketball weekend coming up. We've got NFL
Speaker 2: playoffs and it's been a while since we chatted. And man,
Speaker 2: this Louisville basketball team, they have really rounded into form
Speaker 2: in a way that I certainly didn't expect. I knew
Speaker 2: they would continue to play hard and make the most
Speaker 2: of the situation. But the injuries and the losses that
Speaker 2: were that were pretty frequent, you know, even though it
Speaker 2: was a tough schedule, just made it kind of look
Speaker 2: as if you didn't know how good the team was
Speaker 2: going to be. But man, they have, I've really played
Speaker 2: some good basketball as of late. What do you think,
Speaker 2: and again, the schedule itself is benefiting them. They're now
Speaker 2: playing in a league that's not super competitive, but you
Speaker 2: know they're playing the better teams in that league and
Speaker 2: they're clearly paying playing better basketball. What do you think
Speaker 2: has really been the switch that flipped for this group
Speaker 2: to where they're now looking like a team that if
Speaker 2: they take care of business, they've got a spot in
Speaker 2: this NCAA tournament this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well number one.
Speaker 5: I just think and Pat Kelsey talked about it last week,
Speaker 5: like the Tennessee game was with just a complete ido
Speaker 5: burn for I think that staff and even these players
Speaker 5: on just how hard and how physical you have to play.
Speaker 4: Now, look after the Bahamas.
Speaker 5: You know that they've met an Old Miss team that
Speaker 5: plays a very similar style and they didn't handle that
Speaker 5: well either. But I think as they've kind of settled
Speaker 5: into this thing, like the one thing and you kind
Speaker 5: of touched on it is and this is such a
Speaker 5: this is such a gritty team, like they will fight
Speaker 5: you tooth and nail for it just feels like just anything.
Speaker 5: And I think that that's that's such a that's such
Speaker 5: a great benefit. And you know, I think when you
Speaker 5: lose a guy like like Cason pryor early on in
Speaker 5: the season, like when you when you do go ten
Speaker 5: or eleven deep, you know, it can it can allow
Speaker 5: guys in some cases, I think to a detriment. And
Speaker 5: I think it was maybe a little bit at the
Speaker 5: beginning of the season, this was kind of happening where
Speaker 5: it was like that, you know, guys didn't feel that
Speaker 5: pressure to I've got to go do something, you know,
Speaker 5: like it was always like, hey, if I've got it
Speaker 5: going great, maybe somebody else to have it going this.
Speaker 5: But I think when they got shorthanded, like it forced
Speaker 5: people to grow up and it forced people to do
Speaker 5: things differently. Like I'll give you an example, James Scott,
Speaker 5: Like first month in the season, he was fine, right,
Speaker 5: but like he's this last month he's taken he's taken
Speaker 5: his game to a new level. Now he's not doing
Speaker 5: anything special, but he's so active on the offensive glass,
Speaker 5: he's so active just everywhere defensively, like his games reached
Speaker 5: another life. Javon Hadley in my opinion, like where he's
Speaker 5: playing right now.
Speaker 4: I mean that.
Speaker 5: Dude is just like he doesn't I don't think he
Speaker 5: does anything fantastic but give unbelievable effort and I think
Speaker 5: it's exactly what this team needed. And to be honest
Speaker 5: that like if Cason Pryor was playing like Javon Hadley
Speaker 5: would be on the perimeter just kind of getting lost
Speaker 5: in the shuffle in my opinion, But like now he's
Speaker 5: got a battle, he's undersized, but.
Speaker 4: Man, he's not getting it given anything away.
Speaker 5: So I mean, I think it's kind of forced forced
Speaker 5: guys to kind of up their roll a little bit,
Speaker 5: and they've and they've clearly they've they've hit their stride.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think as much as it sounds cliche
Speaker 2: and corny, you mentioned the team being gritty, I really
Speaker 2: do think they they're the way they've carried themselves, the
Speaker 2: way they play, really every element of this program right now,
Speaker 2: you can see some fingerprints that match Pat Kelsey's. I
Speaker 2: feel like they are absolutely a reflection of the guy
Speaker 2: that is leading them, and that's always important, especially if
Speaker 2: it's somebody that you feel like is is good at that.
Speaker 2: But they went through some real adversity, losing some guys
Speaker 2: that I mean, they were already kind of a team,
Speaker 2: still putting it together. They had the Bahamas in the
Speaker 2: summer and and and clearly they were together since they arrived,
Speaker 2: but they kind of had to regroup and and not
Speaker 2: reinvent themselves necessarily. But there's a new version of them
Speaker 2: now because they now know for sure they weren't getting
Speaker 2: Prior back, they weren't getting Corn Johnson back, and they
Speaker 2: were playing some of the best teams in the country
Speaker 2: while they were trying to kind of, you know, find
Speaker 2: themselves a little bit. And man, they they have really
Speaker 2: hit their stride. I think fans are just enjoying the
Speaker 2: ride as of right now, some real momentum. These guys
Speaker 2: are winning, they're playing hard, they're playing entertaining.
Speaker 3: Basketball as well. But I'm starting to look at.
Speaker 2: Some numbers here and I think I think there's some
Speaker 2: guys on this team that are I don't know where
Speaker 2: they're going to end up down the line as far
Speaker 2: as how they're remembered, but I think Chucky hepburn. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's times where I'm thinking this is one of the
Speaker 2: best guards that's played here in a long long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, And.
Speaker 5: That's another thing, like right, like you know Karin Johnson's
Speaker 5: out check. Would Chucky have been getting all the minutes
Speaker 5: he would have if Corny Johnson wasn't wasn't playing And
Speaker 5: by the way, like you want Chucky he burn to play.
Speaker 2: Us many minutes at to be to be honest with you, like.
Speaker 5: You know, Chucky wasn't this good at Wisconsin, Like he's
Speaker 5: maybe it's Pad Kelsey systems, you know, all of this stuff.
Speaker 5: Like he's taken his game to just a completely, you know,
Speaker 5: different level.
Speaker 4: He's tapped into something that maybe.
Speaker 5: He always believed that that he had an him and
Speaker 5: he just couldn't show it. But he's showing it now,
Speaker 5: and he's showing at a at a high level.
Speaker 4: I mean, and sometimes you know, even if he's he's.
Speaker 5: Struggling to get the double digits points, which is you know, rare,
Speaker 5: you know, then at that point he is the general
Speaker 5: that's getting shots for his teammates.
Speaker 4: And then the other night against Syracuse, obviously he he
Speaker 4: had it rolling offensively.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean I think that, you know, all
Speaker 5: of that stuff, there was a moment. Now I'm going
Speaker 5: to go back to the Tennessee game because I do
Speaker 5: think it's point, especially the way Kelsey mentioned the other day,
Speaker 5: and this was like they had they had the poor roster.
Speaker 4: Then I yep, they quit in the second half for
Speaker 4: a moment.
Speaker 3: Yep, I remember quickly took the time out.
Speaker 5: And he brought him over and he was like, I
Speaker 5: don't I don't know, like you know, nobody was here
Speaker 5: last year, so I don't care, Like you know, this
Speaker 5: isn't gonna happen under my watch.
Speaker 4: And you haven't seen that since.
Speaker 5: Right, there was a moment in that game where like
Speaker 5: they were just getting run out of the gym and
Speaker 5: they quit, quick time out, come over. He kind of
Speaker 5: sets the standard and that's what that and that really
Speaker 5: is what the standard has been. Like, look, you know,
Speaker 5: you you may not win all the.
Speaker 4: Games, but it's not gonna be from a lack of effort.
Speaker 5: It's not gonna be from a lack of fight, Like
Speaker 5: you're you're gonna get into this, and and they really
Speaker 5: have bought into this. I mean, you know they're currently
Speaker 5: on this seven game winning streak right now and at
Speaker 5: the beginning of it, or towards the beginning of it. Remember,
Speaker 5: I mean they needed a last second shot to beat e.
Speaker 2: Ku, and man that that Noah Waterman bucket is seeming
Speaker 2: more and more valuable by the day, more so just
Speaker 2: because it literally would have been a real big stain
Speaker 2: on the resumes at this point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like right now, the way they're playing, to me,
Speaker 5: it's like that that game wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 4: It feels like it was a million years ago.
Speaker 2: It was a different team, and I was I was
Speaker 2: pleased as a Louisville fan myself saying that despite everything,
Speaker 2: they were still playing hard. And I didn't know at
Speaker 2: that time really what you know the next few weeks
Speaker 2: were gonna look like. But I think when they came
Speaker 2: out against Carolina right after that Eku game, there was
Speaker 2: they I always felt like this group played hard and
Speaker 2: they were they were giving effort, and the enthusiasm was
Speaker 2: was was where it needed to be. But it went
Speaker 2: up a few notches against Carolina, and that's really where
Speaker 2: I feel like they Again, it sounds like I'm saying
Speaker 2: they were a bad team before, I don't know how
Speaker 2: good they were but the group that has been on
Speaker 2: the floor in acc play here in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: I mean I kind of feel like it's been a
Speaker 2: different team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean and some some of it is
Speaker 5: like I said, it's.
Speaker 4: It's it's being comfortable in your roles.
Speaker 5: It is understanding like, look, I don't have time to
Speaker 5: just settle in.
Speaker 4: Like my teammates. They need me, they need me to be.
Speaker 5: This, and I'm going to provide it, you know, and
Speaker 5: it just and also like in this stretch and you know,
Speaker 5: he was he was final last game. They really didn't
Speaker 5: need him because it was What's crazy is after the game,
Speaker 5: Pat Kelsey talked about Red Altree from Syracuse like so
Speaker 5: many in the last two years talked about Kenny.
Speaker 4: Payne at Louisville.
Speaker 2: Like that team looked like a very similar team. I mean,
Speaker 2: there was PTSD for me as a fan. I'll be
Speaker 2: honest with you, how many.
Speaker 5: Times in postgame pressers in those last two years he's
Speaker 5: going to go together.
Speaker 4: He's doing a great job. He just needs time this
Speaker 4: and this. That's what Pat Kelsey sounded like the other night.
Speaker 3: So man, it was nice to be on the other
Speaker 3: end of that.
Speaker 4: Teas and peace of Syracuse fans.
Speaker 5: But but you know, they they have they understand and
Speaker 5: what they.
Speaker 4: Have to be and they have.
Speaker 5: And then you've got a guy like green Smith who,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe if you're dying a little bit, or
Speaker 5: maybe this and this like that dude just seems to
Speaker 5: come up with a big three at a big time.
Speaker 4: Like he just hits big threes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and clearly his his claim to fame, if
Speaker 2: you will, is the fact that he can get hot
Speaker 2: and change a game really quickly. He's certainly done that
Speaker 2: for Louisville more than a few times this year. But
Speaker 2: he's also just a good player.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: You could just tell he's got a feel for the game.
Speaker 2: He really understands spacing. And I kind of feel like
Speaker 2: nobody would say he's not valuable, but I think he
Speaker 2: may be more valuable than most guys on this roster
Speaker 2: just because of a lot of things he brings to
Speaker 2: the table other than just you know, being able to
Speaker 2: being able to shoot the ball.
Speaker 3: Now I want to switch gear.
Speaker 4: You'd be surprised. I know, I'm gonna interrupt you.
Speaker 3: On It's fine, Hey, no, it's good.
Speaker 5: But my my thing, I think the two most valuable
Speaker 5: members of this basketball team right now are Chuckie, Hepburn.
Speaker 4: And Ring Smith.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't disagree at all. I felt like that even
Speaker 2: before a lot of the injuries happened, when they were
Speaker 2: kind of figuring out who they were early, that Rain
Speaker 2: was one of those guys that I just felt like, Man,
Speaker 2: he seems to be somebody that even if it's not
Speaker 2: showing up with a big shot or any specific stat
Speaker 2: things are just a little bit better when he's out there.
Speaker 2: And at times I guess he broke down on defense
Speaker 2: early this year, but he's not been a liability on
Speaker 2: defense at all. In fact, I don't think anybody really
Speaker 2: has to be honest with you. So it's been a
Speaker 2: fun ride so far for Louisville fans, and with the
Speaker 2: acc looking the way it does, they'll probably slip up.
Speaker 3: To somebody they shouldn't lose too.
Speaker 2: They're certainly not going to run the table, at least
Speaker 2: I don't expect that, but they've done enough right now
Speaker 2: to where they should still be able to have a
Speaker 2: hiccup or two and be able to find themselves in
Speaker 2: the big dance, which I know that's never going to
Speaker 2: be just the bar for a Louisville on an annual basis,
Speaker 2: at least nobody wants it to be. But given the
Speaker 2: recent years, I mean, I think that would be something fans.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think a tournament appearance here would be
Speaker 2: Wolvell fans would be more excited for a tournament appearance
Speaker 2: this year than they've ever been for just making the tournament.
Speaker 2: And you know I'll be one of them, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you. But let's talk Kentucky. I think this
Speaker 2: Kentucky team won the really good. They've got a great resume.
Speaker 2: I think two seed is what a lot of people
Speaker 2: have them at as of right now, especially with that
Speaker 2: win over Texas A and M coming off the win
Speaker 2: on the road at Mississippi State. But I think with
Speaker 2: this Kentucky team, they're pretty easy to figure out. That
Speaker 2: don't mean that they're easy to beat. But teams that
Speaker 2: have decided to not really have a mindset of knowing
Speaker 2: let's not let them do exactly what they want to do.
Speaker 2: Teams who are not afraid to play as many possessions
Speaker 2: as possible. Teams who do that, those teams haven't beat Kentucky.
Speaker 2: And that includes Duke, that includes Gonzaga, that includes Mississippi State.
Speaker 2: Alabama's going to come in tomorrow and that's what they do.
Speaker 2: That is absolutely how they play. Natoates has been really
Speaker 2: successful with it. Not saying Kentucky's guaranteed to win, but
Speaker 2: up to this point, teams who want to play Kentucky
Speaker 2: in that in that pace, in that style, they've not
Speaker 2: been able to knock them off. And I kind of
Speaker 2: feel like Alabama may still be a team that makes
Speaker 2: the Final four. Who knows, maybe they win the whole thing.
Speaker 2: But I think going into up Arena knowing they're going
Speaker 2: to try to play Kentucky at their game, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think this could be another I mean, if they win,
Speaker 2: it'll be a big time win. But I kind of
Speaker 2: feel like, given what I've seen, I kind of expect
Speaker 2: them to win this one.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know about that. I think Alabama's really
Speaker 5: good and they're they.
Speaker 2: Beat really good teams too, though you know, Kentucky's beat
Speaker 2: some damn good teams.
Speaker 5: Look yeah, I mean I don't know, to be honest, like,
Speaker 5: I just go into it going, man, this is a
Speaker 5: fifty to fifty kind of toss up game, sure, you know,
Speaker 5: and it is into a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 4: Just because yes, I do. I think Kentucky is really good. Yes,
Speaker 4: but I also think Alabama is really good. That's why
Speaker 4: I say that, Yeah, because Alabama.
Speaker 5: Is is you know, they're both fully capable, capable of
Speaker 5: beating each other.
Speaker 4: This is gonna be one of those where like.
Speaker 5: Man, just sit back, grab the popcorn, and just enjoy
Speaker 5: the show, especially if both teams are making shots, because
Speaker 5: at the breakneck pace that that they'll pay at play at,
Speaker 5: the offenses are wide open, they want to take a
Speaker 5: bunch of threes. They you know, they want to get
Speaker 5: in the paint, so they you know, both teams have really,
Speaker 5: really good players. I mean, it's just it's kind of
Speaker 5: one of those those fun teams. I tell you what
Speaker 5: that I think Kentucky has kind of learned how to
Speaker 5: do in the past couple of weeks, is they've they've
Speaker 5: they've learned how to play against teams that want to
Speaker 5: get really physical with them. And I think that's like
Speaker 5: one of those missing ingredients because you know, so many times,
Speaker 5: even at the beginning of the year, like even the
Speaker 5: Duke game, like the offense like they score a lot,
Speaker 5: but the offense wasn't you know, it wasn't so free flowing.
Speaker 5: They kind of had to grind, you know, against Gonzaga
Speaker 5: a little bit and then now you know it's it's
Speaker 5: they've done and and the times they've been tripped up right, Clemson,
Speaker 5: Ohio State teams that got really really physical with them,
Speaker 5: even Georgia and those kind of games. But Mississippi State,
Speaker 5: Texas A and m those are those are rough and
Speaker 5: tough type type games. And Kentucky's still been able to
Speaker 5: run their offense and has to have success in those games,
Speaker 5: which you know for them, and and what you're gonna
Speaker 5: see in the NCAA tournament and down the line, you're
Speaker 5: gonna see all kinds of different stuff.
Speaker 4: You've got to be able to handle some some different things. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think with with Mark Pope, everybody knows what he
Speaker 2: wants to do. What I mean, he Pat Kelsey and
Speaker 2: Mark Pope are very similar as far as the way
Speaker 2: they want to play and what their system is. And
Speaker 2: at times you're going to find teams are just going
Speaker 2: to be able to keep you from doing that at
Speaker 2: the level that you want, and you got to make adjustments.
Speaker 2: I go back to Mark Pope against Gonzaga, him deciding
Speaker 2: to to you know, him conceding essentially that he's not
Speaker 2: going to be able to control the pace the way
Speaker 2: he wants. He goes zone, they grind it out, they
Speaker 2: want they went to They win a game in a
Speaker 2: way that maybe they.
Speaker 3: Didn't want to play.
Speaker 2: I mean, Florida was a team that, quite literally I thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe this is the team that will challenge Kentucky. And
Speaker 2: look that that game could have gone either way. For
Speaker 2: the most part, it was it was it was a shootout.
Speaker 2: But I've just been so impressed with his Kentucky team.
Speaker 2: I'm about to block out saying it, but like it's
Speaker 2: just the truth. I think they've had they've had their losses,
Speaker 2: and yes, some will say the blueprints out as far
Speaker 2: as how you would find a way to stop them,
Speaker 2: but I think in recent games they've been able to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: we understand that, but we've made some adjustments on Aura
Speaker 2: and I think you know, Mark Pope's had had such
Speaker 2: a phenomenal start, and I just think you know you're
Speaker 2: right when it comes to to Alabama, it's a fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty game tomorrow because when you're playing that style
Speaker 2: and both teams are on the same page, let's run
Speaker 2: this thing up and down. Let's get a lot of
Speaker 2: shots up. It really just comes down to who's making
Speaker 2: more shots. I mean sometimes it really is. It really
Speaker 2: is that simple. But I do feel like when it
Speaker 2: comes to the early review, really for both coaches, but
Speaker 2: speaking of Pope specifically here, I mean, I can't imagine
Speaker 2: there's many Kentucky fans, even when they've had the losses
Speaker 2: that they didn't want teams that they probably feel like
Speaker 2: they're better than Ohio State and Clemson. I mean, they've
Speaker 2: got to be super pleased with the way this thing
Speaker 2: has looked so far.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, and I think you know, and for both teams,
Speaker 5: but as we're talking about Kentucky right now, you know.
Speaker 4: You've seen the teams learn and get better, and.
Speaker 2: We're witnessing coaches making adjustments and teams getting better.
Speaker 3: It's it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And sometimes it's like individual players.
Speaker 5: You know, there was a time, and it wasn't that
Speaker 5: long ago where Amari Williams at times for them, like
Speaker 5: on both ends of the floor, would felt like he
Speaker 5: was a little this, a little this like and he's
Speaker 5: adjusted and he's been I mean against Texas A and
Speaker 5: m he was as good as it gets on the glass,
Speaker 5: and that game against a really good rebounding team, and
Speaker 5: you know, his effort level, like he's kind of realized, like, Okay,
Speaker 5: if I want to be good and and and I'm
Speaker 5: so important for my team, like my effort level has
Speaker 5: to be top notch at all times in these games,
Speaker 5: especially in this conference.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 5: I can't get by with what I was doing at Drexel.
Speaker 5: Like I think you can see that, and you can
Speaker 5: see them in these last couple of games. You know,
Speaker 5: when when teams do get rough and rough and tough
Speaker 5: with them a little bit, they're still they they're cutting
Speaker 5: through it now and they're getting they're getting their open
Speaker 5: shots and they're not hesitating with threes. When a couple
Speaker 5: of those games like that kind of went away and
Speaker 5: they started playing a little bit more one on one.
Speaker 5: None of these guys are one on one players, Like
Speaker 5: they got to do it together and there's and you
Speaker 5: can see it kind of they're learning that through the
Speaker 5: course of the season.
Speaker 2: In what in what makes it I think even more
Speaker 2: impressive is that these coaches, you know, getting these results,
Speaker 2: especially from individual players, you can see their growth. These
Speaker 2: players have only known these head coaches at these schools
Speaker 2: for maybe nine months. There are some exceptions Rain Smith
Speaker 2: and obviously James Scott came with Pat from Charleston.
Speaker 3: But I mean for.
Speaker 2: The majority of everybody else on both sides, like these
Speaker 2: guys are some of them are grown men, and maybe
Speaker 2: their maturity on their end is something that I'm not
Speaker 2: giving enough credit to. But man, it's just it's just
Speaker 2: little things that I never would have paid attention to
Speaker 2: that now are standing out, and it's just it's it's
Speaker 2: really cool to see. All Right, last thing, we're gonna
Speaker 2: We're gonna do a rapid fire here.
Speaker 3: Ken.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you each of these playoff matchups. You
Speaker 2: tell me who wins. Texans Chiefs, Chiefs, Commanders, Lions, Lions, Rams, Eagles,
Speaker 2: Me too. I'm riding money line Rams. They've got so
Speaker 2: much momentum right now. And I know Philadelphia is good
Speaker 2: and they're at home, but I this this, uh, this
Speaker 2: RAMS team has been hot as can be, So I'm
Speaker 2: with you on that one. How about the Ravens Bills,
Speaker 2: the big one, the big matchup.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna okay, Yeah, they are currently favored, which I'm
Speaker 2: a little bit surprised by but that should be uh
Speaker 2: should be.
Speaker 3: A great game. And Kent, it is always great to
Speaker 3: catch up. We did my man.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you're having yourself a good new year and double
Speaker 2: talk soon.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 4: Have a good weekend, absolutely, man, you too.
Speaker 3: Take care.
Speaker 2: That's Kent Spencer from w h AS eleven. Always appreciate
Speaker 2: his time.
Speaker 3: Good stuff. Love talking ball with Kent. What's better than that? Right?
Speaker 3: Talking ball? We got to get out of here for
Speaker 3: a quick break. We'll be back.
Speaker 2: Actually we're not going anywhere. We're gonna be standing exactly
Speaker 2: where we're standing. But we just have to, you know,
Speaker 2: pay the bills, as they say. Isn't that a corny
Speaker 2: radio like line? Like I've only used it a few
Speaker 2: times and then I cringe anytime I do.
Speaker 6: Do you I actually kind of like it?
Speaker 3: Okay, well then now don't feel as bad.
Speaker 2: Look you're you're you're more in tune with what's you know,
Speaker 2: cool and what's not.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna pay some bills. We'll be back right
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Speaker 2: All right, some things I wanted to get to really
Speaker 2: quickly here. We'll have a couple of shorter segments in
Speaker 2: the last half here of the four o'clock hour, which
Speaker 2: is okay because we went a little long there in
Speaker 2: the Kent Spencer interview, which is I mean, I might.
Speaker 3: As well just block out, just clear out the hour.
Speaker 2: Next time with Kent, because it's always goodtuff with him
Speaker 2: and we certainly appreciate his time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we just can't time out camp sense.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just kind of like let it, let
Speaker 3: it ride.
Speaker 2: That's what we do. So this is this is newsworthy
Speaker 2: for sure. I won't act as if I think it's
Speaker 2: going to be some big deal. But Jeff Brawm, in
Speaker 2: his first season obviously one ten games, took over to
Speaker 2: the a SEC Championship game and retained his entire staff,
Speaker 2: and it looked as if he was going to have
Speaker 2: no staff changes, and if he was going to have
Speaker 2: a staff change, I think a lot of us would
Speaker 2: have guessed that that staff change would be moving on
Speaker 2: from his defensive coordinator, Ron English, but that has not happened.
Speaker 2: But it does look as if North Carolina will in
Speaker 2: fact hire Gerrick McGee, who has been at Louisville twice.
Speaker 2: He came here with Bobby Vitrino, a real rare move
Speaker 2: at that time. It's not as uncommon anymore. Given that
Speaker 2: the lower level of high the lower level of big
Speaker 2: time college sports meeting group of five low level D
Speaker 2: one basketball, you were really set up to have a
Speaker 2: tough time exceeding succeeding at a high level because you
Speaker 2: lose your players.
Speaker 3: That's just how it is. The portal will make it to.
Speaker 2: The portal has made it to where if you're a
Speaker 2: guy at a low level school and you're having a
Speaker 2: lot of success, you know you can hit that portal
Speaker 2: and play at a bigger level and make more money.
Speaker 2: And that's just how it is now, which is unfortunate.
Speaker 2: So Grek McGee left UAB as their head coach for
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he was there a couple of years.
Speaker 2: He left to come and be Bobby's OC and he
Speaker 2: was here until Bobby was not Actually no, he left
Speaker 2: before Bobby left because he ended up taking a job
Speaker 2: at Illinois. He's real close with love Smith, and I
Speaker 2: forgot that love Smith was was.
Speaker 3: Was the Illinois coach for a little while.
Speaker 2: Didn't have much success, but Gerrick left because he's close
Speaker 2: with Lovey, and I think that's actually his mentor. So
Speaker 2: then Gerrick ended up joining Jeffs staff when Jeff got
Speaker 2: hired here at Louisville and he's been here since then.
Speaker 3: So I don't know the connection.
Speaker 2: But Bill Belichick will be hiring Grek McGee away from
Speaker 2: the Louisville staff, and Greck is a really well liked
Speaker 2: guy in the football world, and I've heard nothing but
Speaker 2: great things about him, had him on the show many
Speaker 2: years ago whenever he first was here in his first stint.
Speaker 2: And I don't know where they'll go, but I don't
Speaker 2: I don't have any concerns as far as Jeff Bron
Speaker 2: being able to find somebody that can, you know, can
Speaker 2: take that role. I think if you're if you're an
Speaker 2: up and coming guy when it comes to being a
Speaker 2: staffer on the offensive side of the ball in college football,
Speaker 2: I think you would want to work with Jeff Brom.
Speaker 2: So maybe they do something internally, maybe they go hire
Speaker 2: somebody else. Not sure, no clue, And I was curious
Speaker 2: at first, was this a move that I mean, I
Speaker 2: just saw Garrick at the at the Louisville basket game
Speaker 2: on I think it was the it was a Clemson game,
Speaker 2: which you know, that doesn't mean that, like, I'm surprised
Speaker 2: he's leaving, but you know, he's somebody that I felt
Speaker 2: like was in a really good place here at Louisville.
Speaker 2: And I initially saw the news and thought maybe Louisville was,
Speaker 2: you know, content with him leaving. Maybe something just didn't
Speaker 2: work out. And I still have no clue as to
Speaker 2: what led to it, but it does now appear that
Speaker 2: Louisville is, you know, understanding that he's going to move
Speaker 2: and they're not going to be able to keep him,
Speaker 2: but they wished that they could have.
Speaker 3: So it's a loss.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a big deal by any means,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't really change my expectation of this team.
Speaker 2: But he's a really good I mean, recruiting is always
Speaker 2: gonna matter, and he's good at that and always has been.
Speaker 2: But he's also a good developer, so I wish him well.
Speaker 2: He's a good dude, and I imagine getting a chance
Speaker 2: to go work for Bill Belichick was something that really
Speaker 2: intrigued him. And I imagine he's probably gonna make a
Speaker 2: lot of money too. So Grek McGee looks like he's
Speaker 2: on his way out.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Some other things I wanted to bring up really quickly
Speaker 2: here that we don't have to spend a lot of
Speaker 2: time on, but certainly worth mentioning Dicky v. He is
Speaker 2: he is going to be returning to call a college
Speaker 2: basketball game for the first time in nearly two years.
Speaker 2: So he is now cancer free once again. He's had
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of battles with cancer and
Speaker 2: and so far he's been able to to win. And
Speaker 2: I still, you know, it's not worth getting into, but
Speaker 2: like I still think Dick EV for you know, for
Speaker 2: a while now, maybe hadn't been delivering his fastball, if
Speaker 2: you will. And you know, I think at times like
Speaker 2: I don't love games that he's been a part of.
Speaker 2: But I've never once not acknowledged in saying that that
Speaker 2: he is a huge, huge piece to college basketball, and
Speaker 2: college basketball became a sport that that generated the attention
Speaker 2: that it now does. And look, it's still very very
Speaker 2: distant when it comes to the NFL and college football,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 3: Mean even the NBA to an extent.
Speaker 2: So like I'm not acting like college basketball is, you know,
Speaker 2: doing numbers like college football in the NFL because it's not.
Speaker 2: But when college basketball did make a splash and became
Speaker 2: a product that is on television every night in the winter,
Speaker 2: Dicky V was a big part of that. Not to
Speaker 2: say that he specifically did it, but he was when
Speaker 2: it made it splash. He was the personality, he was
Speaker 2: the character, the cheerleader, if you will. And it's led
Speaker 2: to a lot of people not even knowing that Dickie
Speaker 2: V before he was mister college basketball, mister awesome baby,
Speaker 2: I mean, just the Dick EV brand. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about here. He was a coach. Did you
Speaker 2: know that, Austin, did you know Dick.
Speaker 7: Bettel was a coach? I can't tell you for who,
Speaker 7: but I knew he had a coach in the background.
Speaker 2: Because again, and I think most people are probably because
Speaker 2: he didn't coach a big program, but he was the
Speaker 2: He coached Detroit Mercy, which of course is now just
Speaker 2: Detroit's right in the seventies, and they were good, and
Speaker 2: then he turned that into being the Detroit Pistons coach
Speaker 2: for a couple of years, and then he no longer
Speaker 2: coached and got into broadcasting, and clearly that is what
Speaker 2: people most remember him for.
Speaker 3: But I bet there's a lot of folks that.
Speaker 2: Never even realized that before he became the care character
Speaker 2: that he is on TV, that he was also a
Speaker 2: pretty successful coach. Rick Pittino at one point, I remember,
Speaker 2: this really stood out to me because Rick doesn't really
Speaker 2: do that. Rick is a very passive egomaniac. If that
Speaker 2: makes sense. Oh yeah, because like I love it. He's
Speaker 2: fou humble, right, like he's he's you.
Speaker 3: Know, he's bo humble. I think people know. I think
Speaker 3: people know what I mean when I say that.
Speaker 2: Like, but he went out of his way, and I
Speaker 2: could I felt a different energy from Rick when he
Speaker 2: was talking about how in the seventies that he thought
Speaker 2: Dick Vitel was one of in this. Now I remember
Speaker 2: how it all came about because and it was something
Speaker 2: we heard non stop for years. Dick Vitel introduced Rick
Speaker 2: Patino to Ryan McMahon. Did you know that, Ryan McMahon,
Speaker 2: And it ended up at Louis because Dicky v lives
Speaker 2: in the same community in Florida that Ryan lived, and
Speaker 2: his parents knew Dick EV. And he said, Rick, you
Speaker 2: got to come watch his kid. You got to come
Speaker 2: watch me. He can shoot it because he's a PTP
Speaker 2: or baby, and it was all we ever heard. So
Speaker 2: he became a talking point and Rick was asked about
Speaker 2: it at one point and he did share that story
Speaker 2: that it was in fact Dick fi Tell that told him, look,
Speaker 2: please as a favor, give me, like go watch him.
Speaker 3: I want you to see this kid.
Speaker 2: If you don't like him, you don't like him, but
Speaker 2: I think you are missing out. And then Rick went
Speaker 2: on to I guess Rick went on to state why
Speaker 2: he respected vital enough to make it a point to
Speaker 2: go watch him, and then he talked about how in
Speaker 2: the seventies he thought that Dick vi Tel was some
Speaker 2: of the best coaches he's ever seen, which again that stood
Speaker 2: out to because Rick doesn't usually say those kind of things.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: So, and by the way, I'm looking here right now,
Speaker 2: Dick fo Tell in his last year as a college
Speaker 2: basketball coach twenty six and three, twenty six and three,
Speaker 2: so wow, pretty damn good. He went to the sweet
Speaker 2: sixteen at Detroit, so he's going to be back calling
Speaker 2: a game, and it's awesome.
Speaker 5: He is.
Speaker 2: He does so much for children with cancer, I mean
Speaker 2: like and it's something he's more passionate about than anything
Speaker 2: he loves college basketball. I think he loves giving back
Speaker 2: and helping people need more than anything. And you know,
Speaker 2: he's a little I mean he's he's he's I mean
Speaker 2: he's elderly.
Speaker 3: I mean, dick vi.
Speaker 2: Tell is eighty six years old, but he's done so
Speaker 2: much for college hoops and he loves the game. And
Speaker 2: as somebody who also loves the game, I'm happy that
Speaker 2: he's going to be back calling a game.
Speaker 3: It's going to be the Duke Wake Forest game. And
Speaker 3: you can get your jokes off Duke.
Speaker 2: Dicky V returning for a Duke game, Yes, makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense, but it's fine. It'll be a blowout
Speaker 2: way Yeah, Duke and Wake Forest next Saturday at four
Speaker 2: point thirty on ESPN, Dickie V making his return.
Speaker 3: It's good stuff, man, really good stuff.
Speaker 2: And he embraces that he is that guy like he's
Speaker 2: the cheerleader of college basketball. I've seen him whenever game
Speaker 2: day would come to Louisville, or he would just be
Speaker 2: here for a game when you're there an hour before
Speaker 2: and it's you know, the cheerleaders out there and the
Speaker 2: fans that just get in that are just kind of
Speaker 2: hanging around down the lower level because they want to
Speaker 2: see the players warm up. If a young kid is like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, that's Dick VI, tell he'll eat that up,
Speaker 2: and he will. He'll take a picture with him like
Speaker 2: he's he's one of those guys we talked about it yesterday,
Speaker 2: people who realize what they can do to some because
Speaker 2: of their status, their platform. He uses that for good
Speaker 2: and that's awesome. So in fact, we'll let you hear
Speaker 2: Dicky V on the other side because I want to
Speaker 2: play his call when Louisville beat Virginia at the Young
Speaker 2: Center many years ago and kind of took me back
Speaker 2: down memory lane. We talked about the crowd earlier. Man,
Speaker 2: that energy in that that that arena in that game
Speaker 2: was wild. So we'll finish up the four o'clock hour
Speaker 2: on the other side and take you up till six o'clock.
Speaker 2: A lot more to get into, so stick around right
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Speaker 3: If she just gets it there, Closier has it.
Speaker 1: You gotta go to Rogier six seconds left not the
Speaker 1: ink fires gone.
Speaker 5: Good God, there's.
Speaker 4: No fifs option.
Speaker 3: There's no fift option.
Speaker 2: Take a look right here back, y'all.
Speaker 6: She squares his body really well. He shoots the jumper.
Speaker 2: Una He's like, look shot him, Like, hey, I used
Speaker 2: to doing this.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: Teams that stuffed off should go up.
Speaker 2: So I was at the game when that happened, and
Speaker 2: the energy in the arena was insane. Really the game
Speaker 2: was great that season, by the way. That was the
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen season when Louisville ended up making it to
Speaker 2: the Elite eight, losing to Michigan State. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's because Kentucky was undefeated until the final four,
Speaker 2: and we always both sides find themselves comparing to you know,
Speaker 2: comparing themselves to the rival. But I don't think we
Speaker 2: realized how good that Louisville team was. Now again, they
Speaker 2: fell short of the of the of the ultimate goal,
Speaker 2: which of course, is to win a national championship. They
Speaker 2: fell just short of the final four. But I remember,
Speaker 2: not long after that season ended, kind of thinking that
Speaker 2: team was insanely good and that that was that was
Speaker 2: a win against Virginia when it meant a lot, And
Speaker 2: I wasn't watching live, so I didn't hear Dicky v
Speaker 2: until after the fact. But that call, of course, that
Speaker 2: shot is legendary, uh in the young existence of the
Speaker 2: young center. And I just remember after hearing it, the
Speaker 2: one thing that stood out to me is the same
Speaker 2: thing that stood out to me as soon as I
Speaker 2: just played it back.
Speaker 3: Here's the the adoption.
Speaker 2: Here's the adoption, which he quite literally was, I'm looking here.
Speaker 2: Who's on the floor for Louisville during this during this possession?
Speaker 2: Montrez Harrell, Chris Jones. I'm sorry, Montres Harrold, Chris Joons
Speaker 2: have been booted from the team, I believe at that time,
Speaker 2: Mantres Harroll, Quentin Snyder, Terry Rozier, who's this in the corner? Oh,
Speaker 2: Wayne blockschar and then Mango Matthew there is he is
Speaker 2: a distant fifth option to get the bucket to beat Virginia,
Speaker 2: who was already a thorn in your ass at the time,
Speaker 2: and it was Mango, of all guys to uh to
Speaker 2: to to knock it down. And Mango is not a
Speaker 2: super memorable player here, right, I mean he was, but
Speaker 2: but he got a lot better towards the end. He
Speaker 2: became a guy that I know he missed those free
Speaker 2: throws in the Elite Eight against Michigan State.
Speaker 3: I just I know that's all Austin was thinking about
Speaker 3: the whole time. I'm talking about Mango, right Againess.
Speaker 6: That was the biggest like no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, shoes, but he was.
Speaker 2: I mean, Mango joined the team in the championship season
Speaker 2: in red shirted, and he was one of those guys
Speaker 2: Rick brought in over his time here, some bigs that,
Speaker 2: like you never really understood what he saw. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're talking Jonathan Huffman, Chad Mallard. I'm throwing names that
Speaker 2: some people don't even know who the hell I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Matt Stockman and those guys. You know, some of them weren't, like,
Speaker 2: you know, awful. Some of them transferred pretty early. Mango
Speaker 2: was bad when he got here, like a lot of them,
Speaker 2: but he really did develop and become a good player,
Speaker 2: and in fact, he added like fifty pounds of muscle.
Speaker 2: I feel like, so Mango will be remembered for that
Speaker 2: in my opinion, but I know there's others that will
Speaker 2: remember him for the free throws against Michigan State, which
Speaker 2: you know, I get it. That's you get that close
Speaker 2: to a Final four and it's free throws. They'd keep
Speaker 2: you from being able to advance. It's it's tough, but it.
Speaker 6: Was a Wayne Blackshear legacy game.
Speaker 7: Yeah, twenty eight points that game and it was made
Speaker 7: every single free throw.
Speaker 2: Was his last career game and could not have been
Speaker 2: better for him. Obviously a win would have made it
Speaker 2: better as far as the team, but he I mean,
Speaker 2: it was finally the Wayne game, and it was the
Speaker 2: Wayne Blackshear that everybody talked about for six years because
Speaker 2: he committed to Louisville, Like Wayne committed to the Louisville
Speaker 2: when Rick Patino was succeeding. But it wasn't because he
Speaker 2: had a bunch of dudes that were build like Wayne
Speaker 2: Blackshear coming out of Chicago as the number. I mean,
Speaker 2: he was a top ten player in his class for
Speaker 2: a long time. Was a McDonald's American. And I get
Speaker 2: I'm really triggered by Wayne Blackshear because maybe he didn't
Speaker 2: become like an NBA lottery pick or a guy that
Speaker 2: dominated the sport of college basketball. But you look at
Speaker 2: Wayne's career, he more than met expectation. I think we
Speaker 2: had insane expectations for him because he was billed as
Speaker 2: a better player in Chicago than Anthony David. Wayne Blackshear
Speaker 2: started on one of the started in the best run
Speaker 2: of Louisville basketball in my lifetime. Has over a thousand points,
Speaker 2: played for some damn good teams. Again, the best teams
Speaker 2: I watched play here, and he started and was a
Speaker 2: productive guy. He had some bad games. He wasn't an
Speaker 2: elite player.
Speaker 3: But he is a he.
Speaker 2: When people would I get triggered at times by certain
Speaker 2: things when people would compare V. J. King to Wayne Blackshear,
Speaker 2: I wanted I wanted to I wanted to have them
Speaker 2: arrested because that's disrespectful. Dwayne Blackshear no offense to VJ J.
Speaker 3: King. What did he ever do?
Speaker 2: Wayne Blackshear played and was a factor on great teams.
Speaker 2: And he was He was a victim of being hyped.
Speaker 2: He can't control that. He kept a good head about him.
Speaker 2: He was never a bad attitude guy like he was like,
Speaker 2: Waye's a good dude.
Speaker 6: And I might have met Chipotle when I first moved here.
Speaker 3: He's probably with Shane, wasn't he. No, he was actually
Speaker 3: by him saying he usually was with Shane.
Speaker 2: They were they were, and to be fair, and I
Speaker 2: love Shane, but I mean that's another credit to Wayne.
Speaker 2: He didn't get influenced by somebody who you know, didn't
Speaker 2: do things the right way and it impacted their career
Speaker 2: in a negative way. So Wayne and Shane that was
Speaker 2: a duo that you know, there's a lot of hype,
Speaker 2: and to be fair, like they both helped Louisville win
Speaker 2: in National Championship. There's a lot of people listening, myself included,
Speaker 2: there's only been one in our lifetime. And they were
Speaker 2: a factor in that. They weren't the biggest factor. Although Shane,
Speaker 2: you don't win that championship game against Michigan if he's
Speaker 2: not cleaning the backboard with his windex out up there,
Speaker 2: just pushing Mitch McGarry around. But Wayne, again, it wasn't
Speaker 2: like if he was a bust, I still would have
Speaker 2: probably defended him in a way. But when people say bust,
Speaker 2: that's just delusional. He a bust is somebody who can't play,
Speaker 2: maybe overrated, but like go back and look at McDonald's
Speaker 2: all Americans and see how many of them played but
Speaker 2: didn't even have close to the career that he did.
Speaker 2: And I know that I'm like acting like he was
Speaker 2: a legend, But the dude was a productive player for
Speaker 2: four years when he was here. He played every I mean,
Speaker 2: he was a part of the rotation when healthy for
Speaker 2: four entire years, a four year run. That again, it's
Speaker 2: the best run I've been a part of in my
Speaker 2: lifetime as a Louis a fan. And to call that
Speaker 2: guy a bust and to reflect on his career as
Speaker 2: if like he was underwhelming and you're disappointed, like go
Speaker 2: play in traffic like that, I just don't get it.
Speaker 2: Like that's I mean, am I wrong? I know, is
Speaker 2: a random thing to get all fired up about, but like,
Speaker 2: you know, like I just think that's like I just
Speaker 2: never understood that. And I'll be fine with criticizing players
Speaker 2: who weren't nearly as good as they needed to be,
Speaker 2: guys who really just you know, couldn't play, because there's
Speaker 2: been many of those guys that happens everywhere, but like
Speaker 2: Wayne Blackscher was not one of those. But the hype
Speaker 2: was so high because when Rick got him, Cal had
Speaker 2: seven of them, right. Cal was getting all the McDonald's,
Speaker 2: all Americans, all the five Stars when he got there,
Speaker 2: and you know, Wayne was supposed to be our guy
Speaker 2: and he was fine, but like you know, he wasn't
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis.
Speaker 3: Not many are What.
Speaker 6: Was the remember they were calling him fat Wayne? What
Speaker 6: was a joke about him being fat? Was that like
Speaker 6: a Rick Patino thing?
Speaker 2: I remember? Yeah, Rick was always big on body fat percentage.
Speaker 2: And Wayne had an injury when he got here, shoulder
Speaker 2: that kept him out for a little while, right, and
Speaker 2: and I don't know if he actually gained Wade or
Speaker 2: Rick just made and made a comment about it. And
Speaker 2: then there was a picture that Shane Behannon posted of
Speaker 2: Wayne and Shane at Wendy's with an insane amount of
Speaker 2: food in front of them, and people just ran with
Speaker 2: it and was like, oh, he's getting fat. That's why
Speaker 2: Rick won't play him.
Speaker 7: He was the only person to hit a three in
Speaker 7: that Michigan State game. Yeah, it was bad shooting, and
Speaker 7: Terry Rogier kind of shot him out of that six
Speaker 7: for twenty three.
Speaker 6: You now got me fixated down here.
Speaker 2: Cherry carried them there and then it didn't work out
Speaker 2: in that game, ISO put the cuffs on him.
Speaker 6: And tapping Anton Gil Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Oh Anton Gil is the guy who before that. If
Speaker 2: you remember they played NC State in the Sweet sixteen.
Speaker 2: Anton Gill hadn't done anything. In fact, I now know,
Speaker 2: I mean this was later. I knew this after the fact.
Speaker 2: When Anton Gill came in the game against NC State,
Speaker 2: he didn't have a ton of points, but he did
Speaker 2: hit big shots to kind of help them advance past
Speaker 2: nc He stayed in the Sweet sixteen. The staff already
Speaker 2: knew at that time he was transferring after the season,
Speaker 2: but they still put him in and he helped him
Speaker 2: get to that Elite eight. So gosh, I can't believe
Speaker 2: it's been that. You know what's crazy? That was ten
Speaker 2: years ago. Ten years Tom Flaies.
Speaker 7: Always wanted to if there was anybody that deserved to
Speaker 7: try to end Kentucky's perfect streak, that would have matched
Speaker 7: up amazingly. That would be what the second time in
Speaker 7: five years that they would have matched up in the
Speaker 7: Final four.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they would have won. Wow.
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