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<v Speaker 1>People are just getting so incredibly experimental with design, with

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<v Speaker 1>cakes and with food in general. Just wow, the way

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<v Speaker 1>that they're able to incorporate things you wouldn't put together,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just looks like this beautiful masterpiece almost and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a natural masterpiece that you can literally eat.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to the Plant Based Diet podcast where we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about all things plant based. I'm mister Garfin, the

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<v Speaker 2>host of this show and founder of Alternative Food Network.

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<v Speaker 2>Let us help you with your journey wherever you're at

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<v Speaker 2>to learn the what, why, and how to eat plant

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<v Speaker 2>based Hello everyone, I hope that spring is in the

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<v Speaker 2>air where you live, and spring reminds me of flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>So today's episode is all about edible flowers. Last month,

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<v Speaker 2>we published an episode about microgreens, their visual and flavor

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<v Speaker 2>appeal and their health properties. So in today's episode, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>continuing with that theme of function and form as I

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<v Speaker 2>chat with the founder of Just Keep Growing, Holly Pugsley,

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<v Speaker 2>who specializes in growing a variety of edible flowers and

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<v Speaker 2>other good stuff. She, by the way, sent me pictures

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<v Speaker 2>of her edible flowers with shots of them on some

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<v Speaker 2>baked goods and a cocktail, and they are gorgeous. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never used them myself, but I'd like to know how,

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<v Speaker 2>because they really elevate a dish. So we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>learn today together. Normally, the episodes of this plant based

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<v Speaker 2>diet series are audio only, but because these edible flowers

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<v Speaker 2>can be used to create such beautiful products, this episode

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<v Speaker 2>will also be available in video on the Alternative Food

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<v Speaker 2>Network YouTube channel in the podcast section, so you can

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<v Speaker 2>also see what we're talking about. Just go over to YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>find the Alternative Food Network channel and find this episode

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<v Speaker 2>and please subscribe. By the way, I'll also put the

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube link in the show notes and now let's get

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<v Speaker 2>to it. Welcome to the show, Holly, So nice to

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<v Speaker 2>have you. Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>How's it going? Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm so excited, as you can see, in honor

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<v Speaker 2>of this episode, well, for those who are listening to

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<v Speaker 2>the audio, you won't be able to see this, but

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<v Speaker 2>for those watching on video, I am wearing a flowered

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<v Speaker 2>shirt in honor of doing this edible flower episode be beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're kind of matching here too, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of the pinks.

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<v Speaker 3>The pink's going on right right right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, in my intro I mentioned that you, among

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<v Speaker 2>other things, you grow edible flowers. So I thought we

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<v Speaker 2>could just start off right off the bat. Could you

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<v Speaker 2>give us some context? What what do we mean by

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<v Speaker 2>edible flowers and when it's used in baked goods or cocktails?

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<v Speaker 2>And I know you've brought to our little set in

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<v Speaker 2>quotes that some stuff. So can you show me what

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<v Speaker 2>you do with these edible flowers?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll explain what edible flowers are because I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a little bit sometimes a little bit of confusion sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people think, you know, I want to display

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<v Speaker 1>with some flowers, I want to use them as a garnish,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll just pick them up from any store, any

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<v Speaker 1>flowers store, plant store kind of situation. But it's not

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<v Speaker 1>great that way. You can't use edible flowers that aren't

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<v Speaker 1>organically grown. So that's what edible flowers means. It means

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<v Speaker 1>that they are edible. There are a lot of flowers

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<v Speaker 1>that are grown, mass produced and sprayed and toxins are

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<v Speaker 1>used on them, so we don't want to use those.

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<v Speaker 1>But edible flowers means that they're flowers that we actually

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<v Speaker 1>can eat. For sure, they aren't poisonous to us, but

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<v Speaker 1>also they aren't being sprayed by toxic solutions to try

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<v Speaker 3>Keep bugs at bay. It's really the way.

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<v Speaker 1>We're growing them that makes the difference of being edible

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<v Speaker 1>and non edible. But there are flowers that are poisonous

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<v Speaker 1>to us that we should not be picking up every

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<v Speaker 1>flower that's organically grown and eating it because it isn't

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<v Speaker 1>great for us. But there are some flowers that are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty fantastic and actually quite medicinal too, which I've come

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<v Speaker 1>to find. But I will show you some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things I brought the first, Yes it is. That's my favorite,

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<v Speaker 1>so anyone that has come to my house ever, this

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly my element right now. So I just brought

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<v Speaker 1>some basic orange juice and I dehydrate fruit as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a little section of my company that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>growing a little bit, just for more garnishes. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so the beautiful grapefruit looks awesome there, but I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a gorgeous bogonia flower to garnish the bogonia is quite sour.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually very candy like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of my favorite edible flowers and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the ones I've been growing for so long and had

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<v Speaker 1>actually no idea that it was edible until I started

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<v Speaker 1>my business, and I couldn't believe it it was. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the most sour candy like. I'll never eat candy again

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<v Speaker 1>or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just delicious. I brought a beautiful as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>So I will move my drinks so I don't make

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<v Speaker 1>a huge mess. But here are some edible flowers on

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<v Speaker 1>the side. It's an angel food cake, my favorite, with

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<v Speaker 1>some cool whip, just some classic cool whip with some

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<v Speaker 1>strawberries and blueberries on the top. But we've got some

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<v Speaker 1>violas and pansies on the sides, and a little bogonia

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<v Speaker 1>in there as well. But you can just see the

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<v Speaker 1>faces of them like they just look gorgeous and elevate

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<v Speaker 1>any meal. So there's I have a lot of baker clients.

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<v Speaker 1>I love private chefs, but for the edible flowers, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of those bakers and like more caterers, designers

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<v Speaker 1>who really see a vision in the colors or textures

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<v Speaker 1>or design and can kind of add it to their

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<v Speaker 1>own creations. I think that's my favorite part about my

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<v Speaker 1>business is seeing the other people create with what I'm growing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. So for example, that cake, like you were saying,

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<v Speaker 2>has different flowers on it. Yeah, they all have different tastes.

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<v Speaker 1>These so these these flowers specifically, they're all the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same so they just actually have different faces and different colors,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're the same variety. These ones are violas and pansies,

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<v Speaker 1>so they have a little bit of a they're a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of a lettuce texture, but.

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<v Speaker 3>They have a little bit of a sweet taste at

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<v Speaker 1>It's really nice on cakes and cocktails as well. I

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<v Speaker 1>do have a bogonia on here too, and that gives you,

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<v Speaker 1>like that nice sour taste, and I think it goes

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<v Speaker 1>nicely with the strawberries too, that citrus, that very sour taste.

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<v Speaker 3>It does add a lot to it. These guys, I

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<v Speaker 3>would say they taste I would say a little bit sweet,

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<v Speaker 3>but we do.

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<v Speaker 1>I do grow borage as well, which is one of

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<v Speaker 1>my other favorites. I'm not sure if you've tried borage,

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<v Speaker 1>have you seen that? They're blue star flowers and they

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<v Speaker 1>taste like sweet cucumber. So you taste them and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just this burst of freshness in your mouth. I love

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<v Speaker 1>having them garnished on a salmon, smoked salmon with some

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, it's delicious. But it really adds.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've ever grilled cucumber with your

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<v Speaker 1>salmon dish, but oh my gosh, a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>cucumber freshness as well. And the color it really does

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<v Speaker 1>add to it. The blue with the pinks. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>the meal just becomes elevated. But also these flavors are

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<v Speaker 1>coming out as well from these beautiful garnishes.

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<v Speaker 2>So is it correct to say that there are some

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<v Speaker 2>flowers that go well with savory dishes and then other

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<v Speaker 2>edible flowers that go with sweet dishes.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely? Yeah, you can mix and match for sure. Yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Each flower has its own palate, it has its own

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<v Speaker 1>flavor palate, and it's just it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>It really can't accentuate each meal, each dish.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how many do you grow different? How many different varieties.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say right now about thirty to fifty varieties

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<v Speaker 1>of just edible flowers. But it's growing the challenge is

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<v Speaker 1>just growing in my space. So I grow in my

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<v Speaker 1>spare bedroom, so it's pretty tight. Yeah, exactly, So I grow.

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<v Speaker 1>I try to grow a lot of flowers that grow

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<v Speaker 1>about like six inches tall to like twelve inches tall,

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<v Speaker 1>Like my shelves are about yeah, like twelve to fifteen inches,

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<v Speaker 1>so they yeah, as long as I kind of keep

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<v Speaker 1>within that space. And I do grow other plants around

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<v Speaker 1>my house as well, other flowers, but I do try

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<v Speaker 1>to keep all my edibles in one room just to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it contained. I started growing with aeroponic towers as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm able to grow a lot longer flowers. So

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<v Speaker 1>I do a lot of Bachelor's button borage dill flower

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<v Speaker 3>We haven't even gotten into herb flowers. Herb flowers are the.

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<v Speaker 1>Best, so I've this is like the biggest wow. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't believe how many people don't understand that you can

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<v Speaker 1>eat the herb flower. So the flower that comes out

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<v Speaker 1>of the basil, chop it. It's so fragrant, it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>more fragrant than the leaves sometimes, So if you're garnishing

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<v Speaker 1>with that, it's fantastic on like a nice pasta dish

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that you can really get into things,

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<v Speaker 1>especially with dill. I don't know if you've seen the

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a nice tou tou. The dill comes up

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<v Speaker 1>like a little too too. I grow a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them more in the summer. I have some in my

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<v Speaker 1>towers right now, not blooming but coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're beautiful. You can just make some beautiful, beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>art with them. They just they look gorgeous. They look

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<v Speaker 3>like little umbrellas. They're beautiful. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>On the health side of things, do you have other

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<v Speaker 2>examples for when you consume them, when you eat them,

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<v Speaker 2>other examples of edible flowers that have foot properties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're packed with vitamin sea Vitamin C is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the big ones, especially in Boradge.

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<v Speaker 3>So I see a lot of people actually eating them

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<v Speaker 3>in the morning feed and the kids in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Putting it in with their into their fruit bowls and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, into smoothies, just to pump up the

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<v Speaker 1>vitamin C in the I do eat them a lot too,

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<v Speaker 1>just like little little candies, to be honest, but just

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<v Speaker 1>because they're so good, I'm blown away.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And if someone, let's say a chef calls you up

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<v Speaker 2>and to place an order or someone a baker or whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they asking you for specific edible flowers because they

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<v Speaker 2>know exactly what they want, or are they saying, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, Holly, I want to make this kind of cake,

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<v Speaker 2>what would go well with it?

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<v Speaker 3>Both? I would say both.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say my bakers ask for they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>have their ideas. So I get a lot of like

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<v Speaker 1>Pinterest boards, I got a lot of mood boards for

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<v Speaker 1>what the cake is going to look, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>inspiration that's for bakers, But for chefs, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>they know what they're looking for and they will ask

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<v Speaker 1>me to specifically grow those things for them.

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<v Speaker 3>So I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I partner with private chefs just so it's easier and

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<v Speaker 1>they know what they're getting throughout the year. So I'll

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<v Speaker 1>partner with them, find out what they want at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of their season and make sure I have that

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<v Speaker 3>Throughout throughout their year.

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<v Speaker 1>I do a lot of microgreens with the private chefs,

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<v Speaker 1>with the private chefs because they love to garnish it

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<v Speaker 1>on all their main courses rather than just their desserts.

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<v Speaker 2>And are you seeing an increase in demand for edible flowers?

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<v Speaker 3>I would say so.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The more people are learning about organic growers and

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<v Speaker 1>find that a lot of people are searching on Pinterest

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<v Speaker 1>and seeing on Instagram a lot of growers doing growing

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<v Speaker 1>edible flowers in different places. Like California, for an example,

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<v Speaker 1>I see a lot of edible flowers coming up, And

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<v Speaker 1>garnish because you don't want something that's been sprayed and

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<v Speaker 3>Right, It's a little bit of a risk.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think people are, especially with everything going on

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's really And you mentioned the herb herb

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<v Speaker 2>flowers chefs are to sit in that. Any other trends

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I would say people are just getting so incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>Just wow, the way that they're able to incorporate things

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's trending the most.

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<v Speaker 1>Just something fantastic and unconventional that you're looking at that

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<v Speaker 1>you to actually consume. I think that's like the direction

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of my clients are going, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that industry is going. Yeah, just more artistic. I think

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<v Speaker 1>people are getting more experimental with their food, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think why not. I think people want to eat pretty things,

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful meal. What would you recommend they start with?

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<v Speaker 3>Basil flour.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an incredible garnish, smells so good in any honestly

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<v Speaker 1>any cocktail.

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<v Speaker 3>But really, it's such an amazing garnish in.

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<v Speaker 1>Cocktails as well as any dish like cakes. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>them on cakes look stunning. The shoots of the flower.

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<v Speaker 1>Shoots are almost like a stalk, a tiny little stalk,

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<v Speaker 1>so the shapes of them are but you can use

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<v Speaker 1>them on cakes. And then I love garnishing with basil

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<v Speaker 1>any meal, honestly, any meal. I could put a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of basil on there. Yeah, some flour too. The

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<v Speaker 1>basil flower actually is white and gorgeous. It comes up

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<v Speaker 1>like a stalk and there's little bell white flowers that

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<v Speaker 1>come across and you can pick each one off, or

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<v Speaker 3>It's just it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you get into colored basils, like tie purple basils,

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<v Speaker 1>you start getting more magenta flowers too, which is really

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and is that for like a savory dish?

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, yeah, what about for pansies?

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<v Speaker 1>Pansies all the way, mostly because you can flatten them.

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<v Speaker 1>They do really well with a baked good. I love

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<v Speaker 1>to press mine first and then you get that preserved

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<v Speaker 1>color and then you can kind of you can I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen people almost use a sugar sugar liquid and just

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<v Speaker 1>But they look beautiful. The faces are so unique on them,

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<v Speaker 1>and it really Yeah, it adds a lot to a

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And I actually I have a question. I'm asking

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<v Speaker 2>it on behalf of a friend of mine. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he grows an amazing garden at home, lots of vegetables,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had a question. To be honest, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>he had a question about male versus female flowers and which,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, he gave the example of a zucchini, which

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<v Speaker 2>can you eat.

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<v Speaker 1>I would eat the males because I believe the females

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<v Speaker 1>will produce the fruit.

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<v Speaker 3>This don't hold me to this, but like that, that's

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm thinking, and that my first thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think any edible flower, it's not that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not to be good for you, or it's gonna hurt

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<v Speaker 1>you or something like that. It's more actually about preserving

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<v Speaker 1>the plant being more sustainable. That's where I'm thinking right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just to keep that life cycle going, and also

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<v Speaker 1>don't eat too many blooms from an herb. Well, herb

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<v Speaker 1>plants are okay because they love to be chopped like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but from cucumber or vegetable flowers, you want to make sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to make sure you're not taking too many

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<v Speaker 1>so that that plant actually produces something for you too,

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<v Speaker 1>just so that you get the best of both worlds.

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<v Speaker 1>Because not every flower will pollinate in bloom, not every

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<v Speaker 1>single one, hope you hope, but not everything the one,

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<v Speaker 1>So you can take and remove a few as you go,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, you want to you want to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that plants preserved. Unless you have many of them, then

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<v Speaker 1>you can kind of sparsely go ahead. Yeah, but with

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<v Speaker 1>like violas and other flowers that I grow, Viola's love

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<v Speaker 1>to be picked. They will love it. Same with borage,

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<v Speaker 1>so the more you pick them, the more they grow back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's quite amazing actually, But yeah, with a.

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<v Speaker 3>Cucumber example, I think that's what I would say about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, stick with the mails all right, and if someone

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<v Speaker 2>wants to get in touch with you, maybe you can

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<v Speaker 2>tell listeners where you're located, where you shift course, and

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<v Speaker 2>your contact info like your Instagram handle and all that

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<v Speaker 2>of course.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so just keep growing Company.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in London, Ontario and my Instagram is just keep

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<v Speaker 1>Growing Company, and if you'd like to reach out to

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<v Speaker 1>me on email, it's just keep Growing Company at gmail

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Yeah, I ship every two weeks to Toronto

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<v Speaker 1>and the GTA area, and I do free delivery in London, Ontario,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you are looking for edible flowers, definitely let

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<v Speaker 1>me know. And I also co host a podcast called Growability.

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<v Speaker 1>It's at growabilitypod dot com as well if you'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to check that out. We do interview lots of cool

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<v Speaker 1>professionals in the urban agriculture industry, and yeah, we talk

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about food security, community, lots of good stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to my US listeners that you won't be

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<v Speaker 2>able to enjoy Holly's products.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe one day, maybe one day.

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<v Speaker 2>One day, very one day. And for those who are

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<v Speaker 2>closer geographically to Holly, she has agreed to help us

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<v Speaker 2>do a giveaway of a box of her edible flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you live in the Greater Toronto area or

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<v Speaker 2>are going to do a giveaway. Thank you so much, Holly.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a pleasure to meet you and see your wonderful,

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful cake and cocktail, and I wish you much success

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<v Speaker 2>with your business.

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