Speaker 1: Hey, Street Walkers. This is a throwback episode with seven
Speaker 1: time Emmy Award winning actor Ed Asner. Ed appeared on
Speaker 1: the show twice, but his first appearance on the show
Speaker 1: was July twenty fifth, twenty eighteen, and it was such
Speaker 1: a compelling and fun episode I decided that it needed
Speaker 1: to be revisited. So enjoy this throwback episode. Tell a
Speaker 1: friend and thanks for listening.
Speaker 2: I believe that everybody has a story and I'm fascinated
Speaker 2: to hear them, So come with me as we take
Speaker 2: a walk down Fascination Street.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, guys. This episode is my chat with Hollywood
Speaker 1: legend Ed Asner. Depending on your age, you know Ed
Speaker 1: Asner from the Mary Tyler Moore Show, Lou Grant, even
Speaker 1: the Pixar movie Up. In this episode, we talk about
Speaker 1: Mary Tyler Moore Show, Lou Grant, and Up, of course,
Speaker 1: but we also talk about his new book, The Groucy Historian,
Speaker 1: an old time lefty defends our constitution against right wing
Speaker 1: hypocrites and nutjobs. We talk about his touring one Man show,
Speaker 1: A Man and his Prostate, and he even tells us
Speaker 1: a really cool story about him. Gavin McLeod and Ted
Speaker 1: Knight enjoy guys, this is Ed Asner. And then Hi,
Speaker 1: mister Asner.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 1: Hi, this is Steve Owens with Fascination Street Podcast. How
Speaker 1: you doing? I am doing well? Well, mister Asner. First,
Speaker 1: I just want to thank you so much for taking
Speaker 1: this time. I'm I'm a huge fan, have been for
Speaker 1: my entire life, so this means a lot to me.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, sir, Thank you, Thank you. Now,
Speaker 1: first of all, can I call you Ed?
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Or would you prefer I call you yit Zach? Well,
Speaker 1: since I'm not Hebrew, I won't call you that. How's that? Well,
Speaker 1: mister Asner? You have been Oh see I already messed up?
Speaker 1: See how I am?
Speaker 3: You are? You mess up?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: Ed?
Speaker 1: Everybody knows who you are. Mostly it depends on the generation,
Speaker 1: but either from Mary Tyler Moore Show or Lou Grant
Speaker 1: even roots, the younger generations know you as the the
Speaker 1: gratsy old man from that Pixar movie. Up. What do
Speaker 1: you get the most recognition from?
Speaker 3: Well, some think what I've received more?
Speaker 1: Really Well, that's all.
Speaker 4: That's a number of man, Yeah it was.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about that. So Mary
Speaker 1: Tyler Moore was a half hour sit Tom based on
Speaker 1: a television news room, and then your character spun off
Speaker 1: to your own show, which was converted to a one
Speaker 1: hour comedy in a newspaper office. How does that work?
Speaker 3: Comedy?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm in a one hour drama, So how
Speaker 1: did that work out?
Speaker 3: Worked on?
Speaker 1: What made everybody decide to spend lou grantoff into a
Speaker 1: one hour drama?
Speaker 3: Nothing like that? Had it really existed before? The market
Speaker 3: team good for it. They didn't seem to think that
Speaker 3: they could continue creating comedy with network TV. So the
Speaker 3: two producers had been identified with newspapers before. They found
Speaker 3: it an intriguing hole to dive into, and as they
Speaker 3: died and all the people they've got along with them,
Speaker 3: nobody ever done newspapers before or shot about them.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it worked out really well. Why did
Speaker 1: it end?
Speaker 3: I was outspoken on El Salvador Nicaragua. At the time,
Speaker 3: I was deemed a loud mouth and branded by others
Speaker 3: as a commie a commy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that's the only time that you
Speaker 1: being outspoken off camera has impacted your career?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha. I'm probably gonna jump around a little bit.
Speaker 1: You were in the service like before before you started acting? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Which branch Army?
Speaker 3: Core?
Speaker 1: And did you go anywhere overseas France? Who? Nice? Was
Speaker 1: there any good memories of that time?
Speaker 3: It was a wonderful experience. I will be grateful to
Speaker 3: Uncle Sam all my life for taking me across the ocean.
Speaker 4: Have you been back since I've been back to France?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh cool? When did you decide that you wanted to
Speaker 1: get into acting?
Speaker 3: Oh, I've been touring with the idea in the back
Speaker 3: of my mind. Not consciously so, but I think he was.
Speaker 3: You just didn't think of those terms in those days.
Speaker 3: You didn't think that's how you made a living in life.
Speaker 3: I didn't think I naturally, I wasn't handsome, so I
Speaker 3: couldn't think of becoming a leading man. So I tried
Speaker 3: out for a play in college. I ended up doing
Speaker 3: the lead, and I came to realize that theater acting
Speaker 3: was more than being handsome and being a leading man.
Speaker 1: What more?
Speaker 3: What more?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said, it's more than just being handsome. What
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 3: The examiner of a human condition under many different circumstances?
Speaker 1: Nice? What do you get personally out of it? Each time?
Speaker 3: I think it became therapy. For me, it became a
Speaker 3: means of transporting myself into somebody else, alleviating the load
Speaker 3: of not liking who I was.
Speaker 1: Was that an issue?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 1: So are you over it?
Speaker 3: I'm not entirely in love with myself, but I guess
Speaker 3: I'm over it.
Speaker 1: All right. So when did you decide that you wanted
Speaker 1: to run for the Screen Actors Still President.
Speaker 3: When many of the friends I was surrounded by felt
Speaker 3: that I had to do it to save the union.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask. So did you
Speaker 1: do it for because you wanted to make specific changes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had just been involved in a big strike
Speaker 3: at that time. I had been allied with the liberal
Speaker 3: wing of the union at that Prior to that time,
Speaker 3: I felt that we should not have settled a strike
Speaker 3: that quickly or that cheaply. So my friends felt that
Speaker 3: I should run and present to the membership of the
Speaker 3: union a more aggressive presidency.
Speaker 1: And were you able to make the changes that you wanted,
Speaker 1: or at least send it in that direction.
Speaker 3: You're never to make the changes you want. There's always
Speaker 3: something that gets in the way, or you find that
Speaker 3: by making change in one sense, you're increasing the burden
Speaker 3: in another sense. So it's time wasted.
Speaker 1: But it took you two terms to figure that out though, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: more than that, more than two terms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was on the board after that. I was
Speaker 3: ha been on the opposition, so to speak, up until
Speaker 3: recently when I finally retired from the board, so that
Speaker 3: the battle's still go gone.
Speaker 1: Do you think that SAG protected the actors more then
Speaker 1: or now?
Speaker 4: I don't think they do it now, really, not at all.
Speaker 3: Huh No, they've got big. One of my main reasons
Speaker 3: I did not want to see the merger take place
Speaker 3: because they hadn't solved the problems of portability, portability of pension,
Speaker 3: portability of healthcare, and they still haven't done.
Speaker 1: Do you think they will in your lifetime?
Speaker 3: Probably not.
Speaker 1: Well, well, that's a little disheartening. Let's move on to
Speaker 1: something else. So you've been nominated for I think it's
Speaker 1: over twenty Emmys, right, and you won a couple?
Speaker 3: What do you mean a couple? You don't know how
Speaker 3: to count?
Speaker 1: Oh, how well that is? I heard it was eight.
Speaker 1: That's why I because I heard once somebody said it
Speaker 1: was seven, and then somebody else said it was eight.
Speaker 3: Now, well, I won a Canadian Emmy as well. So
Speaker 3: that makes it eight.
Speaker 1: Wow, where do you keep.
Speaker 3: Them all strewn about the house?
Speaker 1: Nice? Does any one of them stand out as more
Speaker 1: important or special to you?
Speaker 3: Not? Really, not really. The first one was a treasure,
Speaker 3: a surprise, though, I'm just surprised. The second became the
Speaker 3: confirmation of the first, and it goes on like that. No,
Speaker 3: I haven't received any in a long time, so I
Speaker 3: was I got one now that would signify it. You
Speaker 3: folks haven't forgotten me.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody is likely to forget you anytime.
Speaker 4: In the new future.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you were born in Kansas City. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: when is the last time you went back to Kansas City?
Speaker 3: Well, my brother funeral a year before last.
Speaker 1: Well that is super sad, and I apologize.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, No, Internet have to apologize.
Speaker 1: So I was in Kansas City, probably about two years ago.
Speaker 1: And there's this thing. I don't know if if it
Speaker 1: was there when you were younger, or if you've been
Speaker 1: back since it's been up, but I guess some farmers
Speaker 1: found in a field like a sunken riverboat. It was
Speaker 1: full of it was like a walmart. It was full
Speaker 1: of everything that they would drop off to the local
Speaker 1: general stores up and down the river, but it sank full,
Speaker 1: and so they dug it up and turned it into
Speaker 1: like this museum. And it's called the Arabia and it's
Speaker 1: right it's right there in Kansas City on the border
Speaker 1: between Missouri and Kansas, and if you haven't been, you
Speaker 1: should really check it out because it is historical and amazing.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite thing about Kansas City. What year was it, David,
Speaker 1: the actual boat, Like, when did it go down? Yeah,
Speaker 1: somewhere like in the eighteen forties, I think, And then
Speaker 1: the river moved and it ended up being like in
Speaker 1: the middle of a farmer's cornfield or something, and they
Speaker 1: dug it up.
Speaker 4: No kidding, Yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard a thing about it.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: When I was there, I spent about three and a
Speaker 1: half hours just oohing and eyeing over every single thing.
Speaker 1: It was so amazing. It's like a Walmart sank.
Speaker 4: But a Walmart.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And there's there's everything from tools to you know,
Speaker 1: door knobs and keys and knives and uh, there's beads
Speaker 1: and dishes and jewelry, just everything that you would find
Speaker 1: at the general stores. You know, one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: years ago. It's amazing. It really is cool.
Speaker 3: Where it is it on the Missouri side or on
Speaker 3: the Kansas side.
Speaker 1: I think it's on the Missouri side. But like, I
Speaker 1: had never heard of it. But when I was there,
Speaker 1: I was asking some people what I should go do
Speaker 1: while my wife was at work that day, and and
Speaker 1: that suggestion came up. And I'm sure glad it did.
Speaker 1: I've told everybody I could about it. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: What was your wife working on?
Speaker 1: My wife builds psychiatric hospitals around the country, and she
Speaker 1: was building. She was building one there and while she was,
Speaker 1: you know, I had went. I had she was there
Speaker 1: to finalize some things, and while she was doing that,
Speaker 1: I went to the Arabia.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: She's really sweet and she's been doing it for about
Speaker 1: twenty five year years, so she's really good at it well.
Speaker 3: And it's a good thing that you have somebody who
Speaker 3: is first.
Speaker 1: It's a good thing sometimes. But when she gets all
Speaker 1: psychiatry on me, I want to get all mad and
Speaker 1: say to knock it off.
Speaker 3: Well, that's yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. It's hard to win a fight
Speaker 1: around here.
Speaker 3: I know that there are controls in your life, that
Speaker 3: there are limits.
Speaker 1: Well, how dare you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not married right now, I'm I sure could
Speaker 3: use some limits.
Speaker 1: No, really no, So if.
Speaker 3: Your wife wants to change affiliations.
Speaker 1: I'll ask him. I will let her know. She did
Speaker 1: want me to let you know that she had a
Speaker 1: crush on you when back in the in the Mary
Speaker 1: Tyler More days.
Speaker 3: Well, tell her she has good peace.
Speaker 1: Oh, I will tell her that. So I think that
Speaker 1: you have an ed Asner foundation? Is that right?
Speaker 3: Well, we're starting one. Yes. My son and his wife
Speaker 3: are creating the ed Asner I don't know what the
Speaker 3: exact name of it is. It's trying to create counseling
Speaker 3: and coaching and tutorship. I'm ready for children, but it's
Speaker 3: the center for achieving flowering.
Speaker 1: Is it for a particular autism?
Speaker 3: It's certainly one of the things to be considered. But
Speaker 3: I mean any social burdens would hopefully be handled there,
Speaker 3: be it a d D or be it downs whatever.
Speaker 1: What inspired this my son and his daughter.
Speaker 3: My son has been vice president with Autism Speaks and
Speaker 3: just recently left the Autism Society, so he's been planning
Speaker 3: it for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: Now, gotcha, Well, I will make before I put this up.
Speaker 1: I'll make sure and get that website where people can
Speaker 1: go to donate and to see what they can do
Speaker 1: to help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be a big help and would be
Speaker 3: certainly most welcome.
Speaker 1: So you were in a couple of movies with Elvis Presley,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, is that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you have any scenes with him?
Speaker 3: Well, sure, not in Kid Gallahad to speak of, but
Speaker 3: in Change of Habit I did.
Speaker 1: And what was your impression of him, because by then
Speaker 1: you were you had been acting probably for longer than him,
Speaker 1: I would assume. Oh yeah, So what did you think
Speaker 1: about how his acting chops?
Speaker 3: Well, the Kid Galahad, right at the beginning of his success,
Speaker 3: he had a bunch of good old boys as an entourage,
Speaker 3: and he was in the midst of practicing karate. I
Speaker 3: think his hand one hand was broken at the time.
Speaker 3: But he was a good old boy and he was
Speaker 3: the bell of the ball and a good guy.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And the same applied when when he did
Speaker 3: Change of Habit. He was a good guy there too.
Speaker 3: He never stopped being a good guy. Yeah, let's have
Speaker 3: an entourage at that point, but he was much more alluring.
Speaker 3: He was quite the chick magnet?
Speaker 1: Weren't you? Also?
Speaker 3: What makes you think? So?
Speaker 1: I feel like there's some stories.
Speaker 3: But what do you mean there was stories?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I just feel like, let's let me hear the skinny.
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Speaker 4: Good lord, God, it's horrible.
Speaker 3: Yes, really become horrible.
Speaker 1: It is terrible.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Tell me about Ted. Night you guys worked on screen?
Speaker 1: Did all did y'all have a relationship off screen? Were
Speaker 1: your friends?
Speaker 3: Oh? We used to go out every every Friday night
Speaker 3: after the show with our wives and have dinner drinks.
Speaker 3: We were the cats meow.
Speaker 1: The cats me ow. Did you guys?
Speaker 4: Ever?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Did you guys learn anything from each
Speaker 1: other as far as acting? Ever?
Speaker 3: Well, I saw what it what it was like. Could
Speaker 3: be the funniest man I ever knew, and that was Ted.
Speaker 3: He was I'm a teenage, so it was easy to
Speaker 3: pick up hints watching him. The best story I can
Speaker 3: tell yeah about that one time Gavin and I were
Speaker 3: walking along. Ted was in the midst of a rehearsing
Speaker 3: a scene because the guys watch this and tell me
Speaker 3: what you think. Joy watching It was a very funny scene.
Speaker 3: He was very funny. He said, now we're gonna do
Speaker 3: it again. I'm going to do it a different way,
Speaker 3: and I want you to tell me how they compare
Speaker 3: for you. So he did a different way. It was
Speaker 3: still funny, almost as funny as the first. Thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do it a third way, and you
Speaker 3: let me know what's the third way. It was funny
Speaker 3: too and different. Finally, he ended up settling on the
Speaker 3: first method with some modification, and Kevin and I looked
Speaker 3: and sell of a bit. We struggled to get it
Speaker 3: right the first time and hopefully it's the best that
Speaker 3: we get, and he Kevin liarly waltzes through and comes
Speaker 3: up with three different interpretations, all of which are enormously salable.
Speaker 3: So that shows you these comic capacities.
Speaker 1: What a great story. Thank you for that. So you
Speaker 1: have been on TV, movies, Broadway and you do voiceovers,
Speaker 1: Is there any one of those that you prefer now
Speaker 1: that you're a little bit older.
Speaker 3: Well, Broadway's not a top Broadway never never did enough
Speaker 3: to satisfy me. Working and working and reworking and working
Speaker 3: and reworking with TV, you're going to approach to a
Speaker 3: great job in refining the results film. I had the
Speaker 3: pleasure of doing helf with John Favreau. That was a delight.
Speaker 3: As much as I hate to say it, I prefer
Speaker 3: film to stage. Stage is the way you is, where
Speaker 3: you start, where you learn, So you got to do it.
Speaker 1: That makes sense. What about voice acting? Voiceovers?
Speaker 3: I love it, I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've done a lot of it.
Speaker 3: I did radio in high school.
Speaker 1: Oh cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was busy being the devoiced continental lover most
Speaker 3: of the time. What are you laughing at.
Speaker 1: Me?
Speaker 3: No, sir, you better than not laugh at me.
Speaker 1: I have a question about the movie Up. I was
Speaker 1: looking at the Wikipedia page for that movie, and it
Speaker 1: says that that movie's budget was one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: five million dollars. That can't be true, can it?
Speaker 3: They didn't spend it on me?
Speaker 1: Do you think it was mostly advertising?
Speaker 3: I don't know where that money went. Oh maybe it was.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I have no idea. According we didn't
Speaker 3: see it. Dar.
Speaker 1: According to that same article, it made seven hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty five million dollars worldwide. Did you see any of
Speaker 1: that money?
Speaker 3: Oh? Not enough of it.
Speaker 1: So you are well, I guess right now you're taking
Speaker 1: a break, but back when August comes, you're gonna continue
Speaker 1: your one man show, A Man in his Prostate? Is
Speaker 1: that right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, tell me.
Speaker 1: A little bit about that show. What's it well, besides
Speaker 1: your prostate, what's it about?
Speaker 3: Well? My It was written by Ed Weinberger, who was
Speaker 3: a producer writer on The marytoll Moore Show and has
Speaker 3: been very successful since. It's a wonderful show. The wonderful
Speaker 3: show which talks about the fact that every sixteen minutes
Speaker 3: a man dies of cancer, prostate cancer in this country
Speaker 3: and at the same time giving you that information, alerting
Speaker 3: you to that information. I perform It's Attack of Prostate
Speaker 3: Titus on a cruise shiped Italy to gales of laughter.
Speaker 1: It sounds awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is so wonderful package.
Speaker 1: I would encourage everybody listening to go to a Man
Speaker 1: at Hisprostate dot com and see where it's showing where
Speaker 1: it's touring. I will be picking back up in August
Speaker 1: in New York, Connecticut, and Rhode Island. I'm sure it
Speaker 1: might be other places, So check that website to find out.
Speaker 3: And if you don't like the show, Steve will refund
Speaker 3: your money.
Speaker 1: See that's what I will do. Wait a minute, hold on, now,
Speaker 1: what is it. I don't want to do that. I
Speaker 1: don't want to replace anybody's money. Why don't you just
Speaker 1: tell them that it's going to be a good show
Speaker 1: and they will enjoy it.
Speaker 3: That's it. If you're not happy with the show, Steve
Speaker 3: will refund your money.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 4: Ed.
Speaker 1: All right, So same thing I.
Speaker 3: Can do for you, my friend, and widen your audience,
Speaker 3: widen't your appeal. I'll do it.
Speaker 1: Hey, guess what, Ed, I'm going to tell everybody that
Speaker 1: you said we're friends. I have it on recording. You
Speaker 1: said we're friends.
Speaker 3: I'll deny I when I asked me, But go ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh man, okay, So your people sent me your book.
Speaker 1: Your book is called The Grouchy Historian, an old time
Speaker 1: lefty defends our constitution against right wing hypocrites and nutjobs.
Speaker 1: Now this book was I'm in san Antonio, Texas.
Speaker 3: Aha, I've been there.
Speaker 1: Why oh basic training?
Speaker 3: Hey, don't get up.
Speaker 1: But he was me, pal, when were you here?
Speaker 3: I was invited there, and I was I was quite.
Speaker 1: Pleased with Well, consider yourself invited back.
Speaker 3: Thank you, it would not be burdenshome.
Speaker 1: Oh that's good to hear. Good to hear. So your
Speaker 1: people sent me this book. But then I found out
Speaker 1: that you read the audio book yourself. So I bought
Speaker 1: the audiobook and listened to that.
Speaker 3: Ah, you already listen to it?
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I did every bit of it, and I
Speaker 1: was delighted. It was charming, it was funny. I found
Speaker 1: it educational.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Is that?
Speaker 1: So since I have this actual hard copied paper book
Speaker 1: and I've already listened to the audiobook, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: ahead and give away this copy of the book to
Speaker 1: one of my listeners. You okay with that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It has a signature, it does not.
Speaker 3: Well, you can tell them send it to me. Whoever
Speaker 3: you award the book to.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I will mail you the book
Speaker 1: cover jacket and then you can sign that and then
Speaker 1: send it back to me, and then I'll give it away.
Speaker 1: How's that?
Speaker 3: Oh? No, wait, do you stay out? Who want it?
Speaker 3: And then I can I can address it to them personally.
Speaker 1: Oh that's an even better idea.
Speaker 4: I love it, you idiot.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's talk about this book. Ed Weinberger helped
Speaker 1: you write this book?
Speaker 3: Also, Yeah, yeah, what do you want to say?
Speaker 1: I wanted you to tell me why you wrote it.
Speaker 3: Well, I've been hearing for years, as has he how
Speaker 3: Republicans claim they own the goddamn Constitution, that only they
Speaker 3: can interpret it, that they are the ears to the Irisalists,
Speaker 3: but a lot of crap. We just wanted the American
Speaker 3: people to start thinking before themselves and will claiming the
Speaker 3: Constitution as their document, not belonging to Republicans generally.
Speaker 1: Gotcha? How much research went into making this book?
Speaker 3: Great deal. If you see all the attributions.
Speaker 1: It appears like this was a lot of research went
Speaker 1: into making this book.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: It is very detailed, and it dives deep into stuff
Speaker 1: that I never heard of before. A lot of it
Speaker 1: I had never heard before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ed, Ed did almost all of the research. I
Speaker 3: have another friend, young lawyer who aided him. The pretty
Speaker 3: rock solid on their bases of interpretation.
Speaker 1: What inspired you to get John Amos to read that
Speaker 1: particular section of the book.
Speaker 3: Well, John had worked at Mary Tayler Worshow we were friends.
Speaker 3: He played for Kansas City in notes days. John used
Speaker 3: to build himself as the most traded pro football player
Speaker 3: in the sport. He's a wonderful guy and he's a
Speaker 3: good actor.
Speaker 1: He's a great actor. Yeah, when you picked up the
Speaker 1: phone and called him and asked him to be a
Speaker 1: part of this, was he excited? Was he skeptical?
Speaker 3: Yes, of course he was. I told him I'd beat
Speaker 3: the crap out of him if he didn't do it.
Speaker 3: So he said, yeah, ed and he did.
Speaker 1: Nice. Have you done any speaking tours with this book.
Speaker 3: I've done book signings and I have appeared jointly talking
Speaker 3: about it in a few places, not a lot.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you should come to San Antonio and
Speaker 1: do one just for me.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm all for that, but with the me
Speaker 3: too gangs out there, I'd be very careful about how
Speaker 3: you expose yourself, not set yourself up to be depredated
Speaker 3: by the me too ladies.
Speaker 1: So being in the business as long as you've been
Speaker 1: in the business.
Speaker 3: Would you agree?
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. Being in the business as long as
Speaker 1: you have been. Did you see a lot of the
Speaker 1: behavior that inspired the me Too movement?
Speaker 3: No, I didn't see it, And of course I have
Speaker 3: been a huge the times myself of being too forward
Speaker 3: in my approach to women. I am aggressive, and thank
Speaker 3: god I have never I have never forced myself on
Speaker 3: any woman that I know of, and I hopefully step
Speaker 3: for incite chapter and verse to me, and I will
Speaker 3: either acknowledge my sins or combat it any way I can.
Speaker 3: I was never aware of another male's misusage because it's
Speaker 3: a private I'm sure even a Harvey Wartstin do a
Speaker 3: lot of his depredation in trust.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Tell me about touring. I think
Speaker 1: you played Franklin Delano Roosevelt for quite a while on
Speaker 1: Broadway or well, I toured the country.
Speaker 3: Did it for about four years?
Speaker 1: Now, that's a long time. How was traveling?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: How how are you with that kind of travel?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm traveling as much with man and his prustate.
Speaker 3: I don't blossom well with travel, but it's the only
Speaker 3: way we get to show out there.
Speaker 1: And why do you do it? I mean, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that you probably don't need the money to pay
Speaker 1: your bills, so.
Speaker 3: Which I do in your own goddamn business.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that might be the name of this episode. Oh, Ed,
Speaker 1: you are a delight to talk to you, my friend.
Speaker 3: Well you're a good question.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Well, I sure want to meet your wife.
Speaker 1: Yes, you do. She's beautiful, she is gorgeous.
Speaker 3: I said, tell her I need some headwork.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I probably I probably won't tell her
Speaker 1: that part.
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 1: Oh I don't know. Hashtag me too.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm not talking. I'm not talking sexually.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, you idiot.
Speaker 3: You think I would talk like that to you.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you're so refreshing.
Speaker 3: I hope your wife finds me that way.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. What do you what's on the horizon?
Speaker 1: What do you got play besides pimping this book and
Speaker 1: finishing this man at his prospect tour? What else do
Speaker 1: you got going on?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, you speak of horizon. And as I
Speaker 3: look out over the Pacific, and as I reached the
Speaker 3: edge of the horizon, I see ships coming, and I
Speaker 3: see the top of their masts, and then as they
Speaker 3: get closer, I see more and more of their masks.
Speaker 3: So it seems like they're sailing on a circle. So
Speaker 3: I have a theory that the world is around?
Speaker 1: Are you messing with me?
Speaker 3: Why would I mess with you?
Speaker 1: Sailor you don't really think the world's round?
Speaker 3: I certainly are beginning to.
Speaker 1: Think, so, well, that is a fantastic idea. I'll have
Speaker 1: to think about that and get back to you.
Speaker 3: By that sea thing I told you about the Gulf,
Speaker 3: and look at their horizon and watch boats coming towards you,
Speaker 3: and you'll see it starts with the mass, and then
Speaker 3: as they get more and more, be more mass formas
Speaker 3: and finally the boat. I think you'll find I'm right.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you might just be.
Speaker 3: Well to hear somebody corroborate me.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite TV shows that didn't last very
Speaker 1: long was Studio sixty on the Sunset Strip? Do you Have?
Speaker 1: Do you have any stories? Or do your hold? Do
Speaker 1: you remember that show fondly?
Speaker 3: Well? I liked what he wrote for me. He's a
Speaker 3: great writer, but I felt he was wasting too much
Speaker 3: time on the love stories of the young people when
Speaker 3: he could have been involving everybody dramatically with me. I'm
Speaker 3: sure the show would have lasted had he done more
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if he focused more on you, I
Speaker 1: think the show's still be on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Well, I love every time I'm saying
Speaker 3: his words.
Speaker 1: Well, it was my it was my favorite TV show
Speaker 1: when it was on, and it broke my heart and
Speaker 1: it got canceled.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: We'll send your heart to me with the with the
Speaker 3: book cover and I'll try to repair.
Speaker 1: It and also send my wife.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all that too. Yeah, I'll pay the postage on
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that. Is there anything Is there anything
Speaker 1: that you wanted to talk about that I didn't bring up?
Speaker 3: Well, you haven't mentioned your mistress.
Speaker 1: Oh I never mentioned her. That's that's how she stays
Speaker 1: a mistress.
Speaker 3: Well, I can you send pictures not.
Speaker 1: Of my mistress of my wife? Maybe? Wait what.
Speaker 3: Even I'll be glad to slobber and flavor over either
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: How very flattering.
Speaker 3: I know the way to woman's heart.
Speaker 1: I bet you do. Yeah, I bet you. You've never
Speaker 1: done that a few times, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Unfortunately, my ex wife is not speaking to me
Speaker 3: right now, but when she comes to her senses, she'll
Speaker 3: just start speaking to me again.
Speaker 1: And none of my ex wives speak to me, and
Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. I'm on my third marriage right now.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Well then I certainly empathize.
Speaker 1: And I empathize with you, sir.
Speaker 3: Oh good good And I know that you identify with
Speaker 3: the problems I speak of and recognize them. And we're
Speaker 3: burdge of a feather.
Speaker 1: We are. That is the truth.
Speaker 3: Ed.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to thank you so much
Speaker 1: for your time. I know that it's the gratitude, Amard,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. You made time for me. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I want to let you get back to the rest
Speaker 1: of your day.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, what's left of it?
Speaker 1: What is left of it? Indeed, I will when this
Speaker 1: show comes out, I will put a link to your
Speaker 1: book and the link to a man in his prostate
Speaker 1: dot com in the show notes so that people can
Speaker 1: go there and buy both of those things. Go see
Speaker 1: the show and buy the book. The book is phenomenal.
Speaker 4: Okay, you guys did a really.
Speaker 1: Good job on that book.
Speaker 4: Ed.
Speaker 1: You should be proud.
Speaker 3: I am, I really am, And that's an important.
Speaker 1: It is important. Like I said, it opened my eyes
Speaker 1: up to a lot of things.
Speaker 4: I was unaware of that's great, that's really great.
Speaker 3: All right, kiss your wife.
Speaker 1: I will kiss her from me, not from you, you scoundrel.
Speaker 3: Why what did I do to you?
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to let me know when you're headed
Speaker 1: this way.
Speaker 3: Oh, I have my k with me, so you'll.
Speaker 1: Know what the heck. No, man, I just want to
Speaker 1: give you a ride, that's all.
Speaker 3: Okay, then I'll kill you.
Speaker 1: There you go. I appreciate that. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You have a great rest of your day. Okay, thanks,
Speaker 1: thank you, Sarah.
Speaker 4: You're a delight really good talking to you.
Speaker 1: You too, Bye bye, take care.
Speaker 5: Opening music is the song Magnolia from the twenty fourteen
Speaker 5: album in Transigence, used with permission from Douglas Miles Clark.
Speaker 5: Closing music is Apollo from the two thousand and one
Speaker 5: album Into the Known by the band Sapphire. Thanks for
Speaker 5: hanging out with us and getting to know a little
Speaker 5: bit about our guest. We'll see you next time on
Speaker 5: Fascination Shoot.