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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the All Eighties Movies Podcast, the

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podcast where we talk about the bocklist, the flops, and

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everything in between from one of the freshest decades from movies,

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the nineteen eighties. I'm her host Bill bant Long. With

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me on this journey revisiting eighties movies is my co

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host Jason Massik. Hello, Jason. Now when we fought, you

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had that.

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Speaker 2: I are the tiger Man, the edge, and now you

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got to get it back. And the way to get

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it back is to go back to the beginning, you

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know what I mean. Maybe we could win it back together.

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I Am the tiger Man.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Listeners who are discussing with spoilers and plenty.

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The nineteen eighty two boxing sequel Rocky three, produced by

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United Artist and distributed by mgm UA Entertainment Company. The

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movie stars Sylvester Stallone, Carl Weathers, Tyler Shyer, and Mister T.

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Written and directed by Sylvester Stallone, this movie's rat at

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PG with the running time of one hour and thirty

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nine minutes. The movie was nominated for one OSCAR for

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Best Music Original Song. I Am the Tiger So what

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is this movie about? What's on the box. If you

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grew up in the nineteen eighties and went to your

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local video store to rent this movie, you would find

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this description on the back of the VHS box.

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Speaker 2: It is what's in the box, Take it away. Jason

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Stallone continues the story of the likable no hoper who

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makes good with Rocky now at the peak of his career,

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world champion with ten successful title fights under his belt

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at the age of thirty four, he now has his

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best years behind him and he has grown complacent, living

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like a prince on the massive earnings accumulated during his career.

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At the ceremonial unveiling of a statue erected in his

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honor in his hometown of Philadelphia, Rocky is publicly challenged

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by the bombastic Clubber Lang, played with admirable menace by

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one time bodyguard mister t and against the advice of

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his long suffering manager Mickey Burgess Meredith, Rocky accepts the

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challenge and the stage is set for a grudge match.

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Rocky doesn't take the threat of Clubber seriously, and whilst

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Clubber drives himself to physical limits, Rocky turns his pre

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match training into a showcase on the night of the fight,

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Mickey collapses, and a distraught Rocky is no match for

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the fanatical clubber. With his title gone and obscurity beckoning,

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Rocky is saved from the brink by his old adversary,

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Apollo Creed, winningly played by Carl Weathers, who persuades Rocky

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to train for a rematch. The film moves towards its

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climax at an electric pace, culminating in one of the

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most exciting and violent fight sequences ever to be filmed,

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Rocky three. Wow.

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Speaker 1: The only thing that descriptions did not say is who

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won the last fight?

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Speaker 2: Right away? Everything and that's our podcast, Thanks for listening, World, Yeah,

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pretty much covers it all.

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Speaker 1: So that was what's in the box for Rocky three. Jason,

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you remember when you first saw Rocky three.

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Speaker 2: I do remember. I remember specific feelings. I saw it

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in the theater. This is what I remember at this age.

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As I was a youngin I was involved in competitive

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sports and dance, and I was constantly rehearsing and practicing.

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extremely disciplined basically training. Right. So, when I saw this film,

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I'll never forget how disappointed I was in Rocky Bilboa

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not taking this fight against clubber Lang seriously. And I

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think it was just because I was such a perfectionist

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as a kid, and that feeling just stayed with me

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over the years. And the other really strong memory I have,

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of course, when I just mentioned that I was in

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dance with the of course Kim Kalla's dance studio in

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Lake Villa, Illinois. We danced many, many a time to

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the classic survivor song I of the Tigers, so iconic.

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So it is obviously so connected to this movie. That's

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all I got really for earliest memories, just that disappointment

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and of course then the redemption at the end and

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the feel good rooting for the underdog kind of story

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that I've always appreciated with the Rocky film. So what

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do you got? What do you remember? Do you remember

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when the first time you saw this film?

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Speaker 1: Bill Bant If you don't know, listeners, but I am

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from Philadelphia, so Rocky does mean the lot to the city,

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understand why the city embraced this movie, embrace this character.

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As it comes to the films. The only Rocky movie

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the neighboring state, so in the neighborhood. Rocky F five

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and Rocky Bouboa I saw in Florida, and then all

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the Creed films I've seen out here in California, and

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for Rocky three. I know my dad took me and

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that's all I remember. I'm not sure if it was

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in Pennsauken, New Jersey, or we saw it down in Wildwood.

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That I don't remember, but I do remember. I have

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seen them all in the theater, that much I know,

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and only one of them in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: Being in Philadelphia, man, I just sometimes I'm so jealous

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of your memory. It's like a steel trap. Man, It's

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just all in there. I have to mention one more

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thing that I have very very much associated with this film.

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I'll never forget. As a kid, I had a forty

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five vinyl which was released in nineteen eighty four, and

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it was called Rocky Versus Clubbert Lang and it's by

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kids stuff Records featured a dramatized retelling of the rivalry

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with audio narration, accompanied by a book for children to

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follow along with the story of Rocky and Clever Lang.

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You can look it up. It's hilarious, it's crazy. It

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was a forty five. It is hilarious, and it's like

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an animated picture of mister t on the forty five cover,

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very colorful. It's it's great. Brings me way way back.

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bell between round Yeah, right, turned the page. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh. I still love those forty fives and the sound

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So let's talk about the movie Rocky three.

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Speaker 2: What are our impressions, Yeah, impressions. Well, let's let's get

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into this is gonna be fun. Man. As soon as

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this film started, I was like, let's go, man, great

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title card and that theme music. You know, I want

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to talk about this real quick with you, Bill Banton,

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your connection to the music itself, because we know that

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Bill Conti does the score and it is so iconic,

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so identifiable. We'll talk about I have the Tiger in

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a minute, but just the the actual orchestral soundtrack, and

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of course Gonna Fly Now all great, but for me personally,

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triumphant horns that start the rocky thea that dunduda dunnd

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it listed. There's a track I think it's called the

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Final Bell where it's that there's a build up with

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the trump the trumpets and when he when he's like

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at the end of the fight, and then he wins

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and you know, and he has that a triumphant like

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he jumps on me. Those pieces of music to me

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give me chills every time, and that's what I associate

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with the film greatly, and I always look forward to

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hearing it. And so when this film begins with that,

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I was just like, I'm ready, let's watch this man

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and let's have fun with it. I didn't know what, well,

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how do you feel but just you or what is

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your connection to the music. Oh?

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Speaker 1: I just always love the music. It's especially in the

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first movie when it's the fight, it brings tears in

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my eyes. That's how much, Like I said, this is

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how much this movie is connected to just the heart

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of Philadelphia. And this is how popular this movie was

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because you know, back when we were young, we didn't

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they would show Rocky twice a year and that would

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get better ratings than network shows. That's how popular that

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movie was. Even thinking about that scene in Rocky when

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he's in bed and he tells Adrian that he knows

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he's going to lose the fight and says, I'm just

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going to go the distance. No one's done that. I

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might not beat him, but I'm going to go the distance.

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If you're setting goals and you know you're not going

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to reach the goal, like you just reset and make

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another goal. I get a lot out of that story.

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He's an underdog, everyone loves him, and the music just

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works great. I mean, I don't know how many times

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as a kid working out, I guess what I'm putting

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on the theme to or just to get myself just

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pumped up about anything.

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Speaker 2: I just put it on.

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Speaker 1: It's very inspiring and yeah, the horns, and it's just

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awesome stuff, perfectly, perfectly stated. It is so identifiable. And

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you mentioned heart, you mentioned inspiration, the perfect workout music,

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and I was just thinking about how we obviously are

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always going on about John Williams, of course, one of

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the greatest, if not the greatest film score composer of

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all time, and all of his identifiable film score themes.

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Speaker 2: But this rank's right up there. It's got to be

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with a particular movie. It's right there. I love it,

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and I love your connection to the films of having

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been from Philadelphia, and for me you mentioned Underdog. I

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was like thinking about this because my fandom for this

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franchise started with Rocky two before going back to the

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first Rocky film and then watching the rest, and I

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to myself, as a young kid, was this where I

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learned about the real underdog story or to root for

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the underdog? And ever since always rooting for the underdog

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and any sporting event unless I have a dog in

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the fight. And I'm a particular fan of a team,

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Underdog because of these movies. I mean, it's pretty simple

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and pretty smart. I mean, obviously the Underdog story goes

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and when this movie begins, it's just good to see

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the cast back together again. It's feel good. And speaking

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of the theme Song'm Gonna Fly Now. You mentioned this before,

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movie flies by. Yes, it's a quick watch this movie.

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thirty nine minutes. If you take out the opening previously

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movie is like an hour and a half long. It's crazy, yeah,

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and it cruises, and so my first impression is that,

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a it's a blast, it's fun, be great to see

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the cast of characters back together. Just great to see

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the familiar faces back. I love Carl Weather's huge standout

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for me in this and then issues I had if

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my overall issue with this upon rewatching it again, it's

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very by the numbers it's a bit superficial. Not a

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lot of depth in this film. You know me, I'm

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all about depth and relationships and journeys and arcs and

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things like that. But I still love these characters and

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I had a really good time watching again. So that's

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like my overall first impression. But I can't wait to

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start talking about the cast and just how we feel

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about some of these performances in this So what's your

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overall just take upon revisiting this man, I.

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boxing movies because most of the time they are underdog stories.

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It's their life since shambles, or they're coming to the

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end of their career and this is our last opportunity

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and they somehow pulled off because at that point they

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can get as much training or teaching as they want,

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submarine movies. I love boxing movies. If they made a

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boxing movie in a submarine, it would be the greatest

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movie of all time. But the one thing I did

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big beaten in the movie so far. Yep, Adrian's gotten

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is the most humorous or really tries for the jokes

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of all the movie. I think this movie has more

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jokes than all the other ones combined. I mean, the

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one really pushes the laughs even though there's some seriousness

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in it. I was surprised how many jokes it throws

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out throughout the film. Yeah, the first two you'd really

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consider dramas. The fourth one I can kind of consider

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a music video. The fifth one don't even want to

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talk about that. You go back to the drama with

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Rocky Balboa and the Creeden wants to dramas. So this

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one's really the comedy one. I think you're right to

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character that really has some sort of arc per se

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is Carl Weathers is Apollo that he's kind of come

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to the good side here. He was our villain our

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last two movies, and now he's coming as the hero

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to help Rocky and revive his career at least win

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this last fight. Because here we go, Rocky's retiring again.

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I think here we are in Rocky three, and I

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think he's retired four times already. Well, it's true to

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life in boxing too. How many times we heard fighters

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retired and then come back. So no surprise there. I

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guess they all got it from Rocky.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I love that you're talking about Carl

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this as a kid too. It's the enemy's becoming friends.

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I love the team up. Love the team up. They

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get over their differences or have won or lost the

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previous fight and now working together. It's an that is

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a highlight to watch and watch their relationship develop throughout

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the wonderful training montages in this. But yeah, stillone man

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always got a root for him. He is a lot

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sharper and sharper dressed of course in this story, and uh,

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looking real good. I was gonna say this is our

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fourth Stallone film? Is it? Not? Here? On the All

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Eighties Movies podcast, I was we did Victory Nighthawk's First Blood.

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Would this be the fourth? Yeah? Am I missing anything?

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Speaker 1: Off the time, I can't think of one, but I'm

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sure if we have a listener we missed one though,

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don't let us know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but just speaking of Stallone playing the titular role, man,

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he looks fantastic in this. You know, when we watch

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the Creed films, obviously Michael B. Jordan is great and

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he's completely jacked, but we go back to this, holy

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crap man, Stallone is ripped. Yes, he's got the broad shoulders.

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his back and his just shoulders. He's got that V shape.

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and literally looks trimmed down and clearly did that for

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the film. That's in the trivia. There's moments though, I mean,

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he looks fantastic. He appears to be wearing makeup in

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certain scenes, but his cheeks are so sunken in it's

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as if you can see his skull. Sometimes I'm like, wow,

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I can see right through his skin. But it's still

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impressive to me that Stallone is writing and directing and

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commissioning a statue of himself in this But seriously, as

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a kid, it's funny I was thinking about this bill.

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I was always a fan of directors. I became a

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film buff growing up, and I was like Spielberg, Lucas,

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and then I started following all the directors like I'm

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gonna go see this movie because so and so directed

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it and so and so's in it. But I never

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really paid attention to the fact that Stallone himself was

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a writer director. The dude, he's a smart guy. He's

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such an accomplished dude. I think we've talked about this

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in the previous podcast we've done with movies that he

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stars in. But I just have a real appreciation for

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him every time I see this movie as just an

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accomplished filmmaker. Also, I love to see him in his

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platform shoes or boots. How many inches do you think

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those those shoes give him in this movie?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Maybe three?

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Speaker 1: That's what I lets stand next to. It's Paul Cogan, right.

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Speaker 2: But I have to say I really also have to

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give him credit for his acting chops that he has

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some quality scenes in this where he's really solid. He

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can bring it down, and he can be very dramatic

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and very believable. He's that blue collar guy still at

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the end of the day that you relate to and

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want to win and to overcome. So I didn't know

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if you had any thoughts on stallone.

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Speaker 1: In general, there's definitely a character change from the first two,

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and it's almost shocking in a way because.

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Speaker 2: Here he was in the first two movies.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's wearing his hat and his jacket and

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bouncing the pimple ball around and now and here he's

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all nicely dressed and dignified, and it really takes club

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Lang to knock the street back into him. So I

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did find that interesting. I think the character or even

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the actor who really got me thinking was mister T.

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I mean, I want to talk about perfect mister T.

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You know, the mohawk, the chains, the feathers in his ears.

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He was such an icon of the eighties and where

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you looked, you saw him, and he was a good

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role model. This is the only time he really plays

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like a baddie. Of course, you know, this is his debut.

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I just couldn't believe just thinking about him, how much

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he affected that decade Cereal cartoon shirts. I remember having

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an eighteen shirt with him a bracas. Yes, I do

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really like him. In this he takes the Apollo Creed

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character and turns it up to a spinal top reference

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to an eleven. Yeah, you want Rocky to kick his

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ass at the end, and it is satisfying to watch

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that happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. He plays a great villain. And it's

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funny you mentioned that because then he becomes so lovable

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after this and becomes such a huge character in real

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life with all the promotions, commercials, a team, all that stuff,

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and he just has the best quotes in this movie.

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The interviewers saying, do you hate Rocky? No, I don't hate.

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I pitted the fool and I will destroy any man

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who tries to take what I got. So there it is,

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I pity the fool. First time we hear it? Oh yeah,

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is in this movie. That's where it began to where

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the end. It's it's amazing. Well it goes back to

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back these quotes. What's your prediction for the fight? My prediction, Yes,

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your prediction pain. It's like, come on, that's great for

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a debut. How solid is that? And for him to

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just then Skyrocket after this love the moment, the look

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that changed, like you said, it's just great, great stuff man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Skyrocket as a positive role model. Yeah, I

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think he was part of the same note of drugs

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campaign back then too. He was just everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, super likable. You know who's not likable in this movie?

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Oh Paulie Bert Young. Oh my god, talk about a

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useless piece of shit. I'm sorry, man, be vulgar right

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from the start here, but that's just another like stepping

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on complaints here. He is like an alcoholic bum. I mean,

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Rocky calls him a bum. He's a hanger on, right,

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he's a racist. He destroys a perfectly good Rocky pinball machine.

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In the beginning, the film begins on him. He's the focus.

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After the opening a mount of time, Rocky lets him

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into his life and to his house and then gives

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him what he as asking for. But what does he

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do in this movie? What does Polly actually do in

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this movie? Besides always saying I don't sweat you, I

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don't sweat you.

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Speaker 1: Right, he either complaints or one liners. And in the

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first two movies he's not that great either, but this one,

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I just think he's even worse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you know, we all have our family dramas.

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Speaker 1: But I would have thought the way he was, they

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would have cut ties with him see.

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Speaker 2: You later, right completely. And also, I you know again,

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I just want to make this clear. It's Paullie the

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character is despicable. It's not Burt Young. Bert's you know,

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he's great. We love Bert Young the actor, and obviously

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we talked about him and Back to School, how he's

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great with Dangerfields. He's really good in that movie. Actually, yeah,

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talk about that. But but yeah, he's just useless in

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this and it's just like he has no arc, no journey, No,

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he's just hanging out in the background kind of being.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's the scene when they leave their kid

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with I'm like, what are you crazy? I would not

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leave my kid with PAULI no way, right, go hire

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someone bring kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, uh yeah, we talked about Carl Weathers. I

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don't want to spend too much time just doting on

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this guy, but man, rip Carl Weathers. I miss now

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that guy. He looks so good in this. He is

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the ultimate athlete, so light on his feet, when he's

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dancing around in the training sequences with rock I mean,

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this guy is floating, floating like a butterfly, right. I Mean,

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he's got the enthusiasm, the charisma, love the character and

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the team up with Rocky in this film. But Carl

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Weathers just consummate badass and everything you hear from anybody

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that was around him says that he was just a

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true gentleman and the nicest guy. And we have his

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Cami and close encounters. I'm just an Action Jackson and

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Predator fan. I know you are as well, of course.

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Oh yeah, and then the Mandalorian. I mean, it's just

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always just so pleasing just to see him appear in

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anything because he's the man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of these movies you watch and you go,

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why was this guy? And more stuff? I don't get

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it always Yep, even with the action films with Action Jackson,

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I thought it did well enough that he should have

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got more stuff. So that kind of surprised me. And

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he's definitely a positive to this series. And yeah, unfortunately

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that's one of the things. This is the movie where

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we start killing off characters. You know, we start with

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Mickey here and then Apollo and Adrian doesn't make it

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so Rocky Balboa. So this is when Still it's like,

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you know what, I'm gonna get a bigger check and

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cut you guys out. I guess I don't know. I

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don't know what it was behind the scenes, but it

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seemed like someone had to die now from here on out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to make it dramatic somehow. And that

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Bill Ban with a great segue here, because I wanted

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to ask you about your relationship to Burgas Meredith. I

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really am not familiar with much of his work outside

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the Rocky franchise, but I do love him so much.

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In this is Mickey. It's an iconic role. I mean,

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this is his role and he owns it. And wait

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a minute, he's Jewish, He's not Irish American. But man,

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his death is tough in this it's tough. It's pretty

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hard to watch still for me, I don't know, it's

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pretty emotional.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just there's just something about the cranky old

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man that you just love so much. Yeah, Burgess Meredith,

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this is the Penguin, I mean, two iconic roles, and

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it just shows in this one how much he loves Rocky.

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He basically infests that he's protecting him so he can

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keep the title. You know, in the first one they

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were at odds and then they got together and the

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way he revived Mickey's career too. Mickey owes everything to

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Rocky and he tries to do whatever he can to

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keep Rocky on top Yep.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we can talk about Hulkgan later on. I believe

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in maybe maybe favorite scenes. I'm not sure, but we

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will find out. I was just gonna say, we got

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to talk just a few more things. Training montages, man,

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we get technically three in this They're all great in

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my opinion. Here's an additional question right from the start

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Field band. Do you have a favorite training montage for

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this is from this entire franchise. I don't know if

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there's too many to remember, but.

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Speaker 1: I think in the second one, when Rocky is running

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down the streets of Philly and all the kids start chasing,

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and there's that one moment where Rocky kicks it in

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the second gear and there's that one kid that keeps

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up for like half a block and then just fades,

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and then Rocky's just he does not have great running

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for him. It's very herky jerky, but the fact that

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you can see how much faster he's going to everyone else.

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That one always stands out. Hell yeah, man, I think

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you're right.

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Speaker 2: I think maybe it was a silly question because I

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think now you say that that's the obvious choice. But man,

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I am partial to Rocky four going to the mountaintop lifting.

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Oh yeah, doing the whole thing, and yes, you old

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school with the great Is that a John Parr song

472
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,599
that's playing during that montage too? Oh it's somebody similar

473
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,799
to that, the classic like eighties you know movie right theme?

474
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,000
What it plays during that? So correct me if I'm wrong,

475
00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:09,200
Listeners and tell us what your favorite training montage is

476
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:14,400
from the Rocky films. Built makeup effects that jumped out

477
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,240
at me. Man, let's give a shout out to Michael Westmore.

478
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,640
He did the makeup and prosthetics for Rocky and Rocky

479
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,200
two and Rocky three. Awesome. Yes, I mean I'm looking

480
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,880
at this and it's after like the clubber Lang fight,

481
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,119
the first fight in this film. His whole eye is

482
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,119
swollen when he's over Mickey as Mickey is about to

483
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,279
pass and it's tough. It's like, Wow, the makeup is

484
00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:38,359
really really believable. It's great stuff. I mean, it looks

485
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:39,839
so good. Yeah.

486
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: I think there was one of the Rocky movies, I'm

487
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,960
not sure which one was, where they start with all

488
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,519
the prosthetics on their face and then they filmed it backwards,

489
00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:49,839
so then they were taking stuff off because they figured

490
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,440
it was easier to do it that way than to

491
00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:54,759
put everything on for each round, probably one or two,

492
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,119
because I mean the fights in these movies, we only

493
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,079
get five rounds of boxing. Yeah, right, but yeah, he

494
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,240
really does look like he got pummeled.

495
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: It does not look fake exactly. That's the point. It's

496
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,319
got to be believable. The blood, the swelling, the bruising,

497
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,680
the cruising, the swollen eye that's closed, you know, shut,

498
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,279
it's just it's great. So I wanted to give that

499
00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:20,359
shout out to Michael wes Moore also built some stood

500
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,000
out to me in this this particular film. The sound

501
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,279
design I thought was great. There were some added effects,

502
00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:30,039
a lot of whooshes and eerie noises during the fights,

503
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,559
especially with you know, club or laying because you get

504
00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:37,119
that almost that that roaring noise. And actually, if you

505
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,720
listen to Aya the Tire during the end credits, you

506
00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:43,759
hear the tiger roar in the song, which I had

507
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:46,000
not heard before. It's a different version of it, and

508
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:49,359
that is throughout the film. So you get a lot

509
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,079
of these dark kind of background sound effects in the

510
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,519
sound design during the boxing bouts. It's pretty cool. I

511
00:25:57,559 --> 00:25:59,440
appreciated that upon this rewatch.

512
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you pointed it out. I didn't really

513
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,839
think about it until you mentioned it, But yeah, there is,

514
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,880
especially during the boxing, there is a lot of instead

515
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,920
of human yelling, there is some sound effects in there

516
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:14,559
instead that are basically representing how they feel with these sounds,

517
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:19,079
especially with Clubber that ye roaring. Yeah, he has the

518
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,279
eye of the tiger at that point.

519
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,599
Speaker 2: He is a tiger. Yeah, he's a beast. He's an animal,

520
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,359
and that's the point obviously, And it's driven home by

521
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,680
that sound design because he is coming at He's like

522
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,359
a Mike Tyson. I mean, he just comes at with

523
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:36,400
ferocity and he's always screaming, like doing all the screaming

524
00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:38,960
with the roar in the background, and the sound design

525
00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:39,920
is just enhanced.

526
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,519
Speaker 1: And then even in the second one with the just

527
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:46,359
the breathing, where Rocky realized is like the only one

528
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,160
I'm going to win this movie. I gotta wear him out.

529
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last point I was going to make. And

530
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,240
you can talk about whatever obviously you want, Bill Pant

531
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:57,359
because I know your deep connection to this whole thing.

532
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,599
But the choreography, man, I love it. Now. Now I

533
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,200
can maybe step also on a complaint with the phantom punches,

534
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,240
which are very noticeable now because that's kind of dates

535
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:08,960
this movie a little bit. You can see where the

536
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,279
punches are missing, but you can see they're acting, of course,

537
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:14,440
and they're reacting to the punches as if they've been

538
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:17,319
hitting their head, jerks backward, et cetera on the jabs

539
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,799
and things like that. But the choreography is incredible. I

540
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,119
was watching a little behind the scenes of the scene

541
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,720
from the open of a scene that was deleted from

542
00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:31,160
the opening montage sequence when Rocky is going through his

543
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:34,680
ten different fighters to defend his title, and I'm gonna

544
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,160
give a shout out to his brother Frank stallone. Frank

545
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,759
stallone Junior. Frank stallone had a tiny bit part in

546
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:43,759
the opening, but there was an extended sequence that was cut.

547
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:45,680
But if you watch the deleted scene and you watch

548
00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,799
them shoot this scene, you can see the cameras in

549
00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,079
the background stuff. They are going for it and it

550
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,839
is so specifically choreographed. I was like, these guys are badasses, man.

551
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,240
I mean they got to hit their marks and they've

552
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,279
got a punch when they're supposed to punch, and it

553
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:04,680
could be really dangerous. So I just want to give

554
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,680
a shout out to the choreography and Frank Stallone too.

555
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,480
He was a trooper and seeing that ultimately was cut

556
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:13,160
something that just stood out again from on this rewatch

557
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:14,799
revisiting the Rocky franchise.

558
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I do find it funny about these Rocky

559
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:19,839
movies is you watch these fights and then you would

560
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,119
go to watch a real boxing match and you'd be like, Yeah,

561
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,279
what's going on? Why are they just standing there? Why

562
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:28,279
are they just throwing little japs? This sucks. I need

563
00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:30,799
to go back and watch Rocky again. It's over the

564
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,200
top drama of how it goes.

565
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

566
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,079
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was too bad with the choreography.

567
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,160
I was trying to watch with the polls and miss punches,

568
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,720
and I didn't think it was as bad as I

569
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:46,039
was expecting. Yeah, the fact that we only get five Yeah,

570
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:48,559
we only get through five rounds. It's so surprising. It

571
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,599
quick fights I mean the first two movies we go

572
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,240
the distance, and then this one it's second round, three rounds.

573
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,079
It's like, Wow, it's really a change on what they

574
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:57,720
what they did.

575
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:01,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's it's noticeable, and that's why we can

576
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:04,400
we'll talk about it. But that's I think some of

577
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,400
my issues are with again, just the kind of by

578
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:11,640
the numbers superficiality of this film, and then the ending.

579
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:13,839
I just kind of had a little bit of it

580
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,359
was like, oh, dang it, I want more. I just

581
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,039
wanted more. But overall, I still enjoyed this man. It

582
00:29:20,079 --> 00:29:24,680
was fun, definitely fun again overcoming the complacency that of

583
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,640
being a big star as he is with the title,

584
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,440
and then he has this inner struggle with the guilt

585
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,200
and the fear. It's relatable on a level for sure.

586
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,759
So that worked for me. Still a bit of that

587
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:38,960
underdog story, you know, So it still plays for me.

588
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,720
Is it my favorite I'll just say right now, no,

589
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,000
not of the Rocky franchise, but I'm glad we got

590
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:45,960
a chance to watch again.

591
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,279
Speaker 1: All right, let's move into favorite scenes or moments. What

592
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,039
are some favorite scenes or moments we have from Rocky three? Jason,

593
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:55,160
what do you got Yeah, absolutely, let's get into it.

594
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,519
I'm gonna start from the beginning.

595
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: It's the opening montage for me, as I mentioned that

596
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,559
great title car with the theme music, the trumpets, the horns,

597
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,519
I'm just like, let's go. Hey, you know what Bill

598
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:07,680
would stood out for me. The highlight of this was

599
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,079
the revisit to the end of Rocky Too. It got

600
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:12,359
me emotional, and I thought it was smart that they

601
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,799
did that that they showed at the end of because

602
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,880
you just see Rocky get the crap beat out of

603
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,039
He's just he's blind. Both of his eyes are swollen shut,

604
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:24,319
goes right into eye the tiger come on, goes from

605
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:27,640
the trumpets, the triumphant Rocky theme into iya the Tiger.

606
00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:31,519
Doesn't get much better than that, does it ever? Yeah,

607
00:30:31,559 --> 00:30:34,799
I just think it's hilarious. Then the film starts to

608
00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:38,720
focus on Paully during this montage of well, Rocky's kicking butt.

609
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,880
But I think it's a great setup. We see mister

610
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,119
t is clubber Lang, who's going to be the main

611
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,119
battie in this the villain, the opponent to Rocky. So

612
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,599
I love that. It's just a great setup. We're like, Okay,

613
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,720
I know what this movie is gonna be it's gonna

614
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,119
be Rocky versus clubb Lang. We get shots of Mickey.

615
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,480
It's very clear that Rocky is now become a celeberty

616
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,759
doing the commercials and advertisements. It's just a solid two

617
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:06,039
minutes to start a movie and you're just off and

618
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,920
that's why this movie flies. It's like it doesn't have

619
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:12,000
to be has made a comment the complaint being superficiality,

620
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,240
but this it doesn't have to be complicated. It's just like,

621
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:17,279
let's lay out the plot right from the get go

622
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,039
and let's rock Yeah.

623
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:22,039
Speaker 1: The Rocky scroll always just pumps me up just watching

624
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:25,359
that Rocky fly across the screen. And yeah, it was

625
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,440
funny watching the montage because then all of a sudden,

626
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,039
Stillone's doing all these commercials.

627
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: And that was one of.

628
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: The jokes in the second one, when he signs to

629
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,799
do commercials and he can't even read or act. Adrian

630
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,480
helps him to learn to read. It's come a long way.

631
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:41,400
It definitely shows in this, and it's cool that does

632
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,640
kind of recap the start with the second one, gets

633
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,680
you up the speed on his title defenses and then

634
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:47,000
let's get right into the movie.

635
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, really worked for me.

636
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so one of my favorite scenes is the humorous

637
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:56,640
Rocky and it's the charity fight between Rocky Balboa and

638
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,559
Thunderlips played by Hulk Hogan. And I think this is

639
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,559
my first time seeing Hulk Hogan because then I remember

640
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:06,200
watching in wrestling and going, oh my god, it's a

641
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,240
Thunderlips guy. He's wrestling, so yeah. So it's boxer versus wrestler,

642
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:14,759
and Thunderlips just goes all crazy on him and it

643
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,720
ends up in a draw. But one of the lines

644
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:19,480
I love the most is when they're introducing the two

645
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:23,680
combatants and Rocky says to Mick, I wonder what he eats,

646
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,279
and Micky goes probably about two hundred and two pounds,

647
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:29,480
and then the announcer goes weighing two hundred and two

648
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,640
pounds Rocky. That gets me every time. That's funny. And

649
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,039
then Mick kind of looks at it and chuckles. So yeah,

650
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:40,039
I mean they're throwing out one liners left and right.

651
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:42,880
But I guess supposedly it is based on a true

652
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,880
event MMA before MMA. I can't remember the boxer now

653
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,039
who did fight a wrestler, and I think the wrestler

654
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:51,720
won once he got him on the ground.

655
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: There you go, this is a really silly fun sequence.

656
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,519
I don't think I appreciated it as a kid. I

657
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:00,440
just wanted to see Rocky in real boxing matches. I

658
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,440
didn't quite understand. I wasn't like a big wrestling fan.

659
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,759
But watching this now, just having such an appreciation now

660
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:12,240
today of the wrestlers in World Wrestling Federation, all the federations,

661
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,119
all the leagues, all the things. It's a real art form.

662
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,599
And I was like, WHOA, Rocky's doing a good thing here,

663
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,240
He's you know, he's doing this for charity. And I

664
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:24,759
wasn't as critical of what he was doing as I

665
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,799
was as a kid, being like, why aren't you taking

666
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:28,799
your career seriously? At this point you got to prep

667
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:31,000
for clubver Langs coming for you. Man, what are you doing?

668
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:38,279
Futson around with this Thunderlips the Ultimate Male. Yes, hul Cogan,

669
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,880
huge dude. When they're standing right next to each other.

670
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, hilarious, Yeah, and the thing here we go,

671
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:48,400
mister t. He would eventually team up with hult Cogan

672
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,680
and they would fight in WrestleMania, one of the biggest

673
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,480
events in wrestling another eighties or even their classic appearance

674
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:58,680
on Saturday Night Live with Billy Crystal. You look marvelous

675
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:00,480
character and just racking.

676
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: The two of them up. It's great, a lot of fun.

677
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think the last two favorite scenes are

678
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,719
moments we both share, and the one is when Mickey

679
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,119
basically spills the beans of Rocky that I've been Karen

680
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,519
not necessarily carrying him but playing it safe for Rocky

681
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:23,719
with his title defenses, and Rocky is certainly shocked by

682
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,159
all of this, and they kind of have a heart

683
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,280
to heart because Rocky has announced that he's going to retire.

684
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:31,840
Clubber has challenged him, so he wants to do that

685
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,239
as this last fight, and Mickey's like, no, you'll get killed.

686
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,639
You're not the boxer you were three years ago, and

687
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,679
if you step in the ring with this man, you're

688
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,400
not going to last.

689
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,119
Speaker 2: Long man.

690
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: He was certainly telling Rocky the truth.

691
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: That's it. This is a really nice dramatic scene. It's

692
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,719
a great acting scene for both Burgess, Meredith and stallone up.

693
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,000
On the first watch, it took me out of a

694
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:54,920
second because it felt like it was out of left field.

695
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,000
When Clubber Lang is challenging Rocky at the statue presentation

696
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:02,000
and Mickey's like, no, I'm not gonna manage you anymore.

697
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,840
I'm out. I'm like, why would he? And I forgot

698
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,519
that Mickey had been watching clubver Langs rise through the

699
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,960
ranks from the very beginning you see in the opening montage,

700
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,599
and then in this particular scene, burns Meredith. You can

701
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,440
see the love between both of them, which and they

702
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,599
have really good chemistry, and this is why I also

703
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:22,000
really appreciate the scene and great lines from Mickey here

704
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,880
when Rocky's like, I said, why are you doing this?

705
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,719
Why are you quitting on me? And Micky's like, because

706
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,760
you can't win, rock this guy will kill you to

707
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,719
death inside three rounds. Love that line, this guy will

708
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,519
kill you to death inside three rounds. And then yes,

709
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,760
Rocky finds out that Mickey had been hand picking his

710
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,360
opponents to retain his title, just so he wouldn't get

711
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,159
as badly beaten as he had been by Creed. And

712
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,760
this line later on, when they're sitting on the couch.

713
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,679
Love this line. He says, well, rock, let's put it

714
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,239
this way. Not three years ago, you were supernatural. He

715
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,559
was hard, and he was nasty, and you had this

716
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:59,920
cast iron jaw. But then the worst thing happened to you,

717
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,199
that could happen to any fighter. You got civilized. Yep.

718
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,679
Great line. And then speaking of the humor, then Stallone

719
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,440
convinces Mickey to coach him, manage him for you know,

720
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,239
the laying fight one more time. But he says, if

721
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,000
you don't, I'm going to tell everybody you've been wearing

722
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,039
the same pair of underwear for the past ten years.

723
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,320
Nice little lighthearted moment there. Yeah, great scene.

724
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: And then they go join the circus and then I

725
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,159
think the final favorite scene we both agree on is Adrian,

726
00:36:33,519 --> 00:36:35,239
who's kind of been in the background for most of

727
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,800
this movie, finally has to talk about Rocky because here

728
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,239
we are, Apollo is trying to train him, and Rocky

729
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:43,920
he's just not into it, and Adrian calls him out

730
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,719
on it, and I think they have a very heartwarming conversation,

731
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,679
very open. I do like it a lot, little little

732
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:53,159
shouting back and forth, and then Rocky admits that that

733
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:55,480
he's afraid. And you know, Adrian's really been the heart

734
00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:58,960
of the first two movies. She literally stole Rocky's heart

735
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,400
in the first too, and it was just kind of

736
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,119
weird that she was more of like set dressing throughout

737
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:08,679
this until this scene, and then she really helps Rocky

738
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,719
get back on track. That's why I do like about it.

739
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 2: Love it what I love. I loved this very similar.

740
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,280
I love the fact that he so very badly needs

741
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,679
her and her support and he can't do it without her.

742
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,559
And it's a love scene here. This whole thing starts

743
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:26,280
with a love story at the center of it, right,

744
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,280
so it's tremendously important. And the fact that she can

745
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,599
break him down in a way to get him to

746
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:33,800
admit to the truth as to why his heart isn't

747
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,519
into the training with Apollo Creed and it's the first

748
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:38,280
scene of you know. They are running on the beach

749
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,840
and he gives up, and she has some great lines

750
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,639
when she says, you got to do it for the

751
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:45,639
right reasons, not for guilt over Mickey, this is about you,

752
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:48,360
you alone, no excuses, no fear. I know you can

753
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,480
live with that. There's some great line he says, how'd

754
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,239
you get so tough? Because he breaks down and admits

755
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,039
that he's afraid in that moment, it's like, yeah, you

756
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:58,519
need a good woman to get to your core like that.

757
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:02,360
I just just again some great acting moments here, and

758
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,119
he breaks down and finally comes clean, and it's a

759
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,360
kind of a release for him. I like that moment

760
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,800
when he just yells, I'm afraid. Okay, you want me to,

761
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,199
you know, say it, admit it. I'm afraid. And then

762
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,199
finally when he calms down, he says to her, how

763
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:15,960
did you get so tough? And she says, I live

764
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,760
with a fighter. Yeah, great, And this then Bill Bant

765
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,400
leads into like one of the great training montages with

766
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,800
my favorite moment at the running on the beach, when

767
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,760
finally Rocky gets the best of Creed he beats him

768
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,440
in the race on the beach, and then probably one

769
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,480
of the most homoerotic scenes of all time in cinema,

770
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:36,559
when they go into the ocean and they're hugging each

771
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:40,639
other and it's muscles and it's you, it's they're ripped

772
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:44,039
and it's tendons and they're oily and just slippery and

773
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:47,039
it's it's and I'm just like, oh, are they going

774
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,199
to kiss? Are they going to kiss?

775
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,199
Speaker 1: Those are my just all thoughts and questions what did

776
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,280
you think of that? Because so many people pick on that,

777
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:55,519
it doesn't bother me at all.

778
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, oh no, it's fantastic, and it ends

779
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,119
with a freeze frame. It ends. That's my favorite part

780
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,039
of this whole thing. It ends with the freeze frame

781
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,719
of them, just like Yay is. They're hugging each other,

782
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,719
putting their hands in the air. And Bill, I got

783
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,840
to ask you two questions. One, what's up with the

784
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,679
half shirts that they're wearing through that? Oh?

785
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: I know that was what's a great eighty styles choice?

786
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,119
I know I never did the half shirts.

787
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: Because they're bearing their mid drifts and it's like, I

788
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,840
don't They're like this flimsy little piece of material, just

789
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,519
a half shirt and just don't have any shirt on

790
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:30,599
if you're going to do that. But the other question

791
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,599
that you can take it off? Yeah, I think you're

792
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,400
you know, pretty, you would be confident in going shirtless.

793
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:40,519
These guys would definitely be. But yeah, my question for

794
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:44,440
you was, is this scene more or less homo erotic

795
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:47,079
than the Top Gun Volleyball? Did this pave the way

796
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,480
for Top gun Volleyball? Oh? I would say top Gun?

797
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,800
Should we contact? Surely you can't be serious and have

798
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,559
them do a competition pod? Which is better top gun

799
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:00,760
Volleyball scene or the running on the each sequence from

800
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,519
Rocky three.

801
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: And that is Malibu, right, I think that's I think

802
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,119
that's a Malibu here in the background.

803
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,559
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, on that per regardless, great training montage, so

804
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:13,760
the whole Yeah, dramatic scene between Adrian and Rocky leading

805
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:21,280
to the montage, there's something. There's a lot of highlights. Okay.

806
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: So let's let's reverse course here with our Swiss cheese

807
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,599
a complaints apartment? And why did you call it swiss cheese?

808
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: Because although this movie is delicious, it does have Polly's

809
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,679
missing tooth holes? Yes it does.

810
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: How to do those Polly's missing tooth holes? With just

811
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,039
fold complaint with the compleats apartment?

812
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 2: All right?

813
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,119
Speaker 1: So what do we have for swiss cheese complaints?

814
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: I have to admit something here, Bill Bant, I just

815
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:43,880
I made that up. I don't know if he really

816
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,159
has any missing teeth in this I just I don't

817
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:47,920
like his character at all in this. And I couldn't

818
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,960
come up with any other holes in this movie, like

819
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,679
literal holes. So I just said missing teeth.

820
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,159
Speaker 1: It could be clubb laning punching holes in Rocky's face.

821
00:40:56,599 --> 00:41:03,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, gee, let's rerecord it. Yeah, Oh that's better. That's

822
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,800
so much better. The first one I complained I have

823
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,400
in so many movies is when you know, when we

824
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,719
talked about this, what are we talking about in another film.

825
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,320
I remember when we were rehearsing and we did the crow,

826
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:18,519
when we were trying to do something besides eighties movie. Anyway,

827
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:22,199
it's about flashbacks. When flashbacks are from somebody else's point

828
00:41:22,199 --> 00:41:24,159
of view, or it just takes you out of it

829
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:27,039
because it's not a true flashback then from the mind

830
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,159
of the person that's having the flashback. In this particular case,

831
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:35,480
in the film, you have Creed watching the footage that's

832
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:39,960
the film footage of the first fight between Rocky and

833
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:43,519
Clubber Lang because he's studying the film right to see

834
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:46,320
where Rocky made mistakes and how we could get better.

835
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:50,199
But the actual footage, the film footage of the fight

836
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,760
that Creed is watching on the projector is the movie footage.

837
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,920
So it's like, this wouldn't be actual film footage from

838
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:04,440
the fight at all. Right, that's a nitpicky, right, it's

839
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,679
nitpicky things. But it's like close ups on Rocky and

840
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,840
Clubber and stuff like this is an Actually you're not

841
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,039
watching actual fight footage. It just takes me out of

842
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:17,000
it momentary. It's nitpicky thing, but not something I always

843
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:17,480
pick up on.

844
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, my big thing watching this is just the way

845
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,960
Rocky trains for that clubber fight. That makes no sense

846
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,960
to me. Mickey's basically just told you if you step

847
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,599
in the ring of the sky, you're gonna get killed,

848
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,559
and Rocky just doesn't seem to take him seriously.

849
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:33,519
Speaker 2: What are you doing, man?

850
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get it, this is gonna be your

851
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,639
last fight. It would be okay, maybe the first day

852
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:42,119
he did it in public like that and then did

853
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:44,679
the hard training afterwards, But it seems like you trained

854
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,079
like that the whole time. Mickey keeps trying to tell

855
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,199
him he's going to kill you, Let's go back to

856
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,360
the gym and do it the right way, and it's

857
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,760
just not sinking in. That just seemed off character for me.

858
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,639
For Rocky to do that.

859
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: It is, and I mean, you know why they do

860
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:01,679
in the film, But I agree with you in the

861
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:05,199
way that it is overly or over the top unrealistic,

862
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,639
like he just wouldn't ever do that. No, because it's

863
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:12,000
disrespectful to Mickey, it's disrespectful to the sport and to

864
00:43:12,639 --> 00:43:15,599
it's a lack of respect for the opponent. Obviously, it

865
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,320
doesn't feel in line with Rocky Belboa's heart and character

866
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:24,760
and you know, inner strength, like he just wouldn't sacrifice

867
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,119
everything in being lazy, Like that's just doesn't fall that's

868
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:28,880
just not his character.

869
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:32,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would say the other second big thing

870
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,440
for me is that the fact the first fight between

871
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:40,760
Rocky and Club or even happened, considering what transpired with Mickey,

872
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,119
No way I would have been able to get in

873
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:44,280
the ring. Hey, Like, how is are a doctor not

874
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,199
there right away? That bothered me?

875
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: Confused. This doctor's always great.

876
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,039
Speaker 1: Call, but there's no way you would be in the

877
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,559
right mindset to fight. They should have called it off.

878
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:55,159
I don't care what Micky was yelling me to say

879
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:57,079
to keep going. If my ring man is not going

880
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:58,960
to be in the corner and I'm worried about him,

881
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,239
there's no way. And especially now if you think about

882
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,079
it in this day and age, if that came out

883
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,320
that that had happened, how much would that be all

884
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,119
over the news?

885
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:06,679
Speaker 2: Yeah?

886
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,079
Speaker 1: No, wonder why Rocky lost his head wasn't in the game.

887
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,199
I mean, he's already ill prepared to fight, and now

888
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,800
mentally he's checked out. Yeah, he's in there and to

889
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,880
get himself killed, right. Yeah, for the first round, someone

890
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,000
sort of throw the towel in for sure.

891
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's getting murdered. He's getting murdered. But that's a

892
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:26,199
great call. Yeah, where are the doctors? I was thinking

893
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,960
the same thing because it's a prolonged sequence with in

894
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,559
the way that you're wondering. After the fight, Rocky gets

895
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,719
beat to hell, goes into the locker room and kneels

896
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,320
beside Mickey as he's passing away, and it's a very

897
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,679
emotional scene. But right as he walks in the locker,

898
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,199
somebody from the side says, we need to get him

899
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,039
to a hospital right away. And the whole time you're like, yeah, tacom,

900
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,880
here's Rocky rock and talking in the last moments and

901
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,559
you're like, go, go get him to the hospital. Why

902
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:55,480
is he Why are they just sitting there?

903
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:57,519
Speaker 1: Good thing Rocky got his ass kick, because then they

904
00:44:57,639 --> 00:44:58,800
at least say his goodbyes.

905
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:05,199
Speaker 2: Shee wow. Yeah. Well, my final few complaints all have

906
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,199
to do with the finale. One, would you classify this

907
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:12,639
as a categorize this as a heavyweight about it's supposed

908
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:17,400
to be right, So we know that Rocky has slimmed down.

909
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:20,119
The announcers make it a point to highlight it, and

910
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,679
we know that from his training. And then they announced

911
00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,159
at the end, we've got Clubber laying at two hundred

912
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:27,400
and thirty some pounds. I think Rocky has dropped to

913
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,880
one hundred and ninety one pounds. I did the math.

914
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:35,159
Clubber's got forty six pounds on rock for the final fight. Yes, allowed,

915
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,840
Like what, Yeah, I don't know if that would happen

916
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,360
to either. Yeah.

917
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,159
Speaker 1: I thought I thought maybe it was nine ninety four

918
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,519
because he was two two for the charity, and I

919
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:47,920
thought he dropped it, right. But yeah, once I was

920
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,199
doing this the math also, I'm like, dude, that's a

921
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,440
big difference.

922
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 2: Almost fifty pounds. Yeah. And the other issue here I

923
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,360
have at the beginning of the fights when they are

924
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,960
face to face to you know, do their bump gloves

925
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,840
and stuff, and Clever Lang says I'm gonna bust you up,

926
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,280
and then Rocky's comeback is go for it. It ain't

927
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,920
no I must break you. You know what I mean? Right? Yeah,

928
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,079
kind of that was a little weak sauce for me.

929
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: Now that you mentioned that fight, though, there was one

930
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,360
thing that bothered me too. I think it was after

931
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:21,840
the first round, but the second round and Rocky basically

932
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,239
tells uh Lank his strategy at least I Breason hard

933
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,360
like to shut your mouth. I think the audience gets

934
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,639
what you're doing, or don't make it so obvious to us.

935
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:34,280
Just go back in the corner, have Apollo yell at

936
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,039
you and go He's getting tired, he's getting tired. I'm

937
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:37,880
just gonna wear him out.

938
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point. It's a great point. Here's

939
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,679
my overall issue with all this. Look, the highlights are

940
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:46,800
it's still great to see Rocky in the comeback within

941
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,519
the fight or just overcome in the fight. And he's

942
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:52,280
so prepared and he has his strategy and he's working

943
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,199
with Creed and Creeds just tell him, don't tell me

944
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:57,159
what you're gonna do, just do it. It's all high intensity,

945
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:01,440
it's violent, the effects, you know, design again, the choreography

946
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,440
is all great. But it just because it happened so quickly,

947
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,519
it's only what three rounds. It's a bit anti climactic

948
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,760
for me. Was I was like stallone showing off a

949
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,440
lot of dexterity. And the training is obviously the bobbing,

950
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,119
the weaving it. But yeah, it just happens a little

951
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:19,599
too quick for me to be that that final And

952
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:21,559
like you said, we're kind of used to the final

953
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:23,199
bouts and the fights in the first two movies, and

954
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,519
then this is just like, oh, it's over already. And

955
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,880
I do have to say I love Rocky celebration at

956
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,920
the end when he does when he wins, he knocks

957
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:31,639
him out and then he does that jump up in

958
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:34,280
the air, yes, and kind of bends backwards and lands

959
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,000
on his knees. Awesome. It's so awesome. Yeah, so it's

960
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:41,159
kind of a complaint, but noncomplaint. There's good things about

961
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:42,800
it and things. I just I just didn't like that

962
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,800
it went by so fast.

963
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is weird considering what happened the previous two movies. Yeah,

964
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,280
all right, trying to move on to Hey, it's that actor.

965
00:47:51,039 --> 00:47:53,480
So in this segment and the spotlight a character actor

966
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:56,239
you have seen in many other films, an actor making

967
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,559
their big screen debut, or an actor that makes an

968
00:47:58,679 --> 00:47:59,760
uncredit cameo.

969
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: Let's hey, it's that actor. Who do we choose this week?

970
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,760
This week for our Hey it's that actor, we choose

971
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:12,199
Jim Hill sportscaster. That's who I'm going with. Not primarily

972
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,679
known as an actor, however, technically he is in this film.

973
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,000
Now he appears in this film on the TV screen,

974
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:24,599
and man, he's just a familiar face because I have

975
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,800
lived in the LA area for thirty years now, thirty

976
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,679
years plus, and he's been a staple as the lead

977
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:35,119
sports anchor and sports director at KCBS TV since nineteen

978
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:39,079
seventy six. That's fifty plus years. He's also a former

979
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:42,199
football player, having played college ball at Texas A and

980
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,440
I University now Texas A and M University Kingsville. He

981
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,559
played in the NFL as a defensive back for the

982
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:52,000
San Diego Chargers, Green Bay Packers, and Cleveland Browns. Jim

983
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,800
Hill has appeared in multiple TV movies and films. Here's

984
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,920
a brief filmography in which he almost plays himself always.

985
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:03,840
He was in a TV movie called Melving Purvis g

986
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:06,360
Man in nineteen seventy four. Then he's in a movie

987
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,159
called Polyester in eighty one. This is then Rocky three

988
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:14,920
in eighty two. He was in the parent Hood not Parenthood,

989
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,880
but the parent Hood series in one episode in ninety six,

990
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:22,719
two episodes of Arless as himself from ninety six to

991
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,800
ninety nine. The last thing he did was a film

992
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,199
called Crackdown, Big City Blues in twenty eighteen, where he

993
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,199
actually plays a character named James Wright. Jim Hill's been

994
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,079
an active person in community in the community for a

995
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:38,360
long time. He's a member of the Los Angeles Urban

996
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,639
League's Board of Directors, as well as serving on the

997
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:43,960
board of directors for the Grossman Burn Center in Sherman Oaks, California.

998
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,239
He's a spokesman for the City of Los Angeles Department

999
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,199
of Recreation in parks and is involved in developing youth

1000
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,960
outreach and fitness programs. Yes, Jim Hill, good dude, sportscaster,

1001
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:58,159
really really kind of just a staple on TV for

1002
00:49:58,199 --> 00:49:58,679
so long.

1003
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: That was hilarious seeing him in this movie because when

1004
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,559
I first moved out here and would put on sports

1005
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:07,239
and see I was like, this guy is so dry,

1006
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:10,320
Like here we are in Los Angeles and I'm like,

1007
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:15,760
he is drier than sandpaper and I can't watch him.

1008
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,719
He's just too dry for me. And then seeing him

1009
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,960
in this I think he has more personality in this

1010
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:24,599
movie than I've ever seen him on television. And then

1011
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:27,639
I was like he's been around that long. Holy crap.

1012
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,800
I mean, hey, congratulations on your career. Yeah, he doesn't

1013
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,159
do it for me, But watching him in this I

1014
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,400
was laughing because I'm like, holy crap, he actually seems

1015
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,679
like his personality in this one.

1016
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,079
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I couldn't agree with you more. He's definitely

1017
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:45,199
not flamboyant, but yeah, he's here. He is the polar

1018
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:48,840
opposite of Stephen A. Smith. There you go. Yeah, oh

1019
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,400
my god, yes, exact opposites. But yeah, you see him

1020
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,920
all the time, and it's just like as soon as

1021
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,440
I was like, oh my god, that's Jim Hill, like

1022
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:56,960
you're just one of those guys. If you live in

1023
00:50:57,079 --> 00:50:58,599
LA you just know, you know who he is.

1024
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it knowing

1025
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,880
who who he is now and seeing that, I'm like,

1026
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:08,199
holy moly. All right, moving on to facts and trivia.

1027
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,519
What do some facts and trivia have about Rocky three?

1028
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 2: For the role of clubber Lang. Two world class heavyweight boxers,

1029
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,760
Joe Fraser and Ernie Shavers were initially considered. Both matched

1030
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,199
stallone in height and physique, but were ultimately rejected due

1031
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,639
to vocal concerns Fraser reportedly had a stutter and Shavers

1032
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:27,000
had a high pitched voice, deemed unsuitable for the character's

1033
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:31,519
menacing persona. Casting director Randa Young discovered mister T on

1034
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:36,480
NBC's Games People Play in an episode depicting a competition

1035
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:41,760
of America's Toughest Bouncer, a program that showcases physicality and Christmas.

1036
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,679
She contacted producer Don Olmeyer about quote the Man with

1037
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,679
the Mohawk, and Mister T was subsequently cast. His presence

1038
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,920
and performance and screen tests secured the role, marking his

1039
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:55,320
breakout in film. Nice.

1040
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 1: So the montage scene you love so much, there's a

1041
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,519
appearance of Rocky on The Muppet Show during the montage,

1042
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,000
and the footage is actually from a real episode that

1043
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:10,719
features Sylvester Sloane on January ninth, nineteen seventy nine. But

1044
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,880
for the movie, Jim Henson dubbed in Rocky's name during

1045
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,440
Kerman's introduction. Thanks Jim for doing that.

1046
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,639
Speaker 2: That's cool. This soundtrack is the third in the series,

1047
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:23,440
composed by Bill Conti and features the single I Have

1048
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,400
the Tiger by Survivor. We Know This Great Song. Stallone

1049
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:31,639
enlisted Survivor after Queen denied him permission to use their song.

1050
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:35,800
Another One Bites the Dust survivor derived lyrics and title

1051
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,719
from dialogue in the film and conceived a riff with

1052
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,239
chord changes to match the punches in the boxing scenes.

1053
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,519
I freaking love that totally makes sense. I never thought

1054
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:48,360
about that before. Dun't dun't it matches the Yeah I

1055
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,440
have The Tiger reached number one on the charts of

1056
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,320
many countries. In the US, it was number one on

1057
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,199
the Billboard Hot one hundred chart for six weeks, spent

1058
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,039
fifteen consecutive weeks in the top ten, and was the

1059
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:02,400
second best selling single of nine nineteen eighty two. It

1060
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:06,039
was on the radio all the time, all on the

1061
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,880
stereo at Kim Kella's dance studio all the time, all

1062
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:09,559
the time.

1063
00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: So the fight sequence between Rocky and Thunderlips that took

1064
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,400
ten days to film, ten days, damn.

1065
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: I just want you to say Thunderlips as much as possible.

1066
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:22,880
Oh yeah, Thunderlips man. Ten days. That's a long time, man. Yeah.

1067
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:25,119
Speaker 1: I remember when I first saw him on back then

1068
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,119
WWF and seeing him for the first time, and I

1069
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,400
was like, hault Cogan was, who has Thunderlips? Who's this

1070
00:53:31,519 --> 00:53:35,719
Boogan character so good.

1071
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: In a nineteen seventy nine interview with Roger Ebert, Sylvester

1072
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:43,719
Stolone discussed an entirely different vision for Rocky three, which

1073
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,719
was originally to be the final Rocky installment. Stallone said

1074
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,679
he contemplated having Rocky's last fight in the Colosseum in Rome,

1075
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:54,320
going so far as to tell Ebert he wanted to

1076
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,199
arrange and film a real audience with Pope John Paul,

1077
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,960
the second in characters Rocky two in the film. A

1078
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,840
year later, he was still debating how Rocky three would end,

1079
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,280
and told Ebert, if I have real nerve, Rocky should

1080
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,639
die at the end of the third film, I.

1081
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: Always talked about that so many times, killing Rocky off.

1082
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,239
So this was interesting because I knew right away watching

1083
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,000
the statue on veiling there was a band there playing.

1084
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:21,320
It was a Lincoln High School band, and they're playing

1085
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,519
the theme to Rocky. So Lincoln High School was our

1086
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:29,239
rival high school when I went to school at Father Judge.

1087
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,480
That was the team we played on the turkey ball

1088
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:32,880
and thanksgiv every year.

1089
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:33,679
Speaker 2: Wow.

1090
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: So I'd literally pass Lincoln every day on the way

1091
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,480
to school, and part of me is like Why is

1092
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:42,480
Lincoln all the way in downtown, Like there's eight hundred

1093
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:44,880
high schools you could pass before you would have to

1094
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,840
get to Lincoln. And then I remembered in the first

1095
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,760
movie there's some versions that it's not in every version anymore.

1096
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,880
Rocky's listened to the radio and it mentions that Lincoln

1097
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,960
plays father Judge and what the score was, and you

1098
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:00,800
really have to listen to it. But for some reason,

1099
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,760
it's not in every audio track. I don't know why

1100
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,599
that is. I did not know Sylvester Stallone went to

1101
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:09,360
Lincoln High School for like a year and played on

1102
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,280
the football team. I never knew that because people always

1103
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,480
said he has no ties to the city. But yeah,

1104
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,480
he went to supposedly went to high school there. There's

1105
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,039
a picture of him on the football team. I always

1106
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:21,559
wondered watch him, like, why is Lincoln here? Why it's

1107
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:23,920
Lincoln in the scene. There's so many other high schools

1108
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,480
they could have brought out for this, and that's why

1109
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:27,480
there's a still.

1110
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 2: Lone collection to it.

1111
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,599
Speaker 1: And now and then it made sense. I'm like, oh,

1112
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:32,480
that's why they Yeah, And then I was like, oh,

1113
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,800
now it makes sense why that they're mentioned in the

1114
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:35,280
first one.

1115
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:38,199
Speaker 2: On the radio. So just tell me once again on

1116
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,280
the rate. When when did you hear that? Where is

1117
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:40,760
that heard?

1118
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,199
Speaker 1: So it depends on what version of Rocky, because it's

1119
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,599
not in every one, because I've heard it sometimes and

1120
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:50,039
other times. Yes, it's in the first film when he

1121
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:51,679
gets up in the morning the radio is playing in

1122
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:52,199
the background.

1123
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: I can't remember if.

1124
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,079
Speaker 1: It's when he's doing the eggs and it's the news

1125
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:58,880
report is rilling off high school scores and it says

1126
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,519
Lincoln first father, judge and then they say the score.

1127
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1128
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: So I was always like, oh, that's one of our

1129
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,800
claim that our high schools claimed. The theme is that

1130
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:06,920
we're mentioned in Rocky.

1131
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,199
Speaker 2: Love it. Okay, that's cool. That's cool. Interesting. Yeah, And

1132
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,760
I go back watch the first film. Now'll listen for it.

1133
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's in the person that you have, right, Yeah, exactly,

1134
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:17,719
very cool.

1135
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: Rocky three here in nineteen eighty two features a dedication

1136
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:26,840
in the end credits to Jane Oliver, Sylvester Stallone's first manager,

1137
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,840
who died of cancer in nineteen seventy seven. This tribute

1138
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,719
appears in the first five Rocky films to honor her

1139
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,039
crucial role in Stallone's early career.

1140
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: Cool, time to move on to box office. So Rocky

1141
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,760
three was released on May twenty eighth in nine hundred

1142
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,880
and thirty nine theaters. What's a production budget of approximately

1143
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,760
seventeen million. Rocky three went on to gross one hundred

1144
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,199
and twenty five million in North America and one hundred

1145
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,599
and forty five million internationally. It opened number one at

1146
00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:55,960
the box office, but dropped to number two the following

1147
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,000
week to another sequel, Star Trek two The Wrath of Khan.

1148
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,320
Rocky three I would spend fourteen of the next fifteen

1149
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,679
weeks in the top ten, and the movie ended up

1150
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,719
being the fourth highest grossing movie in the United States,

1151
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:10,920
one of only five movies that crossed the one hundred

1152
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:13,119
million dollars in ticket sales.

1153
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:17,239
Speaker 2: Wow. Man, sometimes I don't know why. I forget what

1154
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,400
just how huge these movies were in the eighties. You know,

1155
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,320
if you think of all the big blockbusters, but I

1156
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,440
mean not that rock who wasn't blocked. But it's just

1157
00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:28,599
they made a lot of money. Yeah, people love these movies,

1158
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:30,719
as they should they do so in the movie on

1159
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,840
to reviews. When growing up in the eighties, we would

1160
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,159
watch at the movies with Gean Cisco and Roger Ebert

1161
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:38,039
to hear their reviews and watch clips of upcoming movies.

1162
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,039
Their review of Rocky three was unanimous two thumbs down.

1163
00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:45,960
Jean said it's not a bad film, but a tired

1164
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,079
and loud one. Roger thought the movie was exciting and

1165
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:52,280
moves well. But instead of telling us more about Rocky,

1166
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,719
the person is just basically a formula remake Rotten Tomatoes

1167
00:57:56,719 --> 00:57:59,559
because a meter score of sixty five percent, with the

1168
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:02,920
Popcorn Meter score of seventy four percent, and it has

1169
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,599
an IMDb rating of six point nine. So this takes

1170
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us to additional thoughts and questions. What are some additional

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thoughts and questions we have about Rocky three? Well, you know,

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I was going to get into the whole ranking the franchise,

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but I'm going to save that for later. I know,

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and I will look forward to discussing Rocky for at

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some point, of course, we'll have to. But what I

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wanted to ask you, Bill Band is what's your relationship

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to boxing overall the sport of boxing. Do you remember

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as a kid when boxing was great and did you

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have any favorite boxers that you followed.

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Speaker 1: I think I really didn't get into boxing until the

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whole Tyson era. Yeah, and I watched that and then

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I kind of got away from it for a while.

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And then a friend of mine he had a connection

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when I was in Florida with the Seminal Gaming, and

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they would have boxing matches there all the time, like

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once a month. Sometimes they would show them on ESPN

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and stuff, and we would go all the time to watch.

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And I could not name one of the people I

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saw fight, but it was just cool to go and

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watch boxing. Sure, But since I've moved out to here,

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I barely follow it at all. And it is funny

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because I'll be doing events if I'm running a softball

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00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,519
tournament or something like that, and everyone's like, what times

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00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:18,360
the tournaments have done, there's the blah blah blah fight.

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We want to get out of here by then, Like, oh, okay,

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I'll see what I can do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Yeah. My experience has been similar

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with boxing. I mean, I do remember growing up hearing

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Sugar Ray Leonard's name being tossed like just big names, right,

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knowing of course when you Muhammad, Ali Cash, Clay, Joe Frazier,

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George Foreman, you know the names, right, you know the

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classic fights Rumble and Jungle things is like this, so

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you know the history, but it was a big deal.

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And yeah, when Tyson comes onto the scene, I mean,

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he's such a force. And then the Spinx fight, like

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all the fights that went down in the matter of seconds.

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And then when he finally loses the title, Holy Field,

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you follow a little bit then and watch those right, Right,

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So that was pretty much the same for me. And

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then yeah, and then UFC comes along and that's it, right,

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So moving out to LA that's what I would watch.

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I would be watching UFC with Chris mann Gandy. Shout

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01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:15,320
out to Chris man Gandy and Ashlyn mangandhy. We would

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sit down and watch the Saturday night UFC fights. And

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I don't follow the UFC as closely anymore. I just

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hear what I hear in sports news. But unfortunately boxing

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01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,199
isn't what it was at one time, so unfortunately just

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01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:32,000
don't follow it much anymore. Yeah, did you have a question,

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A deep thought, A deep question?

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Speaker 1: I think what I just find also humorous about these

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movies is where the hell is the referee in any

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of these? I mean, how many of these movies in

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the Rocky series would have been stopped before it happens

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in the film. In this one, one moment stands out

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in particular when Clubber has Rocky in the corner and

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he loads up his arm and it's just holding it there,

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and Roxy's totally defensive, and I'm like, if that was

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a real boxing match, referee would have stepped right in

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and called it. It'd been over right there. He's got

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nothing left. And then Rocky takes another pounding for forty

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01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,519
seconds after that. So it is funny the dramatic license

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that they take in these films.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, it's a great call because they are absent

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for the most part. You see in the opening montage

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clever Lane literally pushing them out of the way. So

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I wonder if then all the refs from then on

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end were just really just scared of clever Lane. They're

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01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:34,079
just like, I don't want to get my ass kicked too,

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01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:35,679
so I'm just going to stand out here over to

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01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:39,840
the side. Yeah. But and that makes me think, how much,

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01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,960
you know, we have to have respect for any refs

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01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,840
that get in the ring, especially UFC. They got to

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01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,320
get in the middle of these guys and they're going

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01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,519
to take a punch every once in a while, So

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01:01:49,039 --> 01:01:51,360
much respect to all the refs doing it, but you're right,

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01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,039
they're pretty much absent from this film, especially these moments

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01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:55,800
when you see it in the opening montage and maybe

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01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,840
one of the opening or first fight between Rocky and

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01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,519
club I'm not sure, when Clubber literally picks him up,

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01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,840
the opponent picks him up and throws them against the

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01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:06,679
what do you call it the poll in the corner

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01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:12,400
against the corner right, literally throws them mid air into

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the corner and then just continues pummeling him.

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Speaker 1: Or if the guy's like a punch, he'd be disqualified.

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So there's your first loss, Clubber. Yeah, great point. I

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01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:26,400
only have one more question here. How much would you

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01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,880
love to have the Leroy Neiman painting from the end?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, I know. I wonder where that is. If

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01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,280
somebody knows let it, that would be great to go

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see that. Actually, if it was in a I wonder

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01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:42,800
if stillone. Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's all time classic.

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It's very classic.

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Speaker 1: So depending on when people listen to this could be

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years from now, or they recently unveiled another Rocky statue

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01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,960
at the Philadelphia Airport, so I guess there's three of

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01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,199
those statues. Of course, there's the one that, oh my god,

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there's so much controversy about where it should be, and

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it's a it's still at the foot of the Art

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Museum stairs. And now there's another one that they displayed

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01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,079
a couple months ago, so it's at the airport, so

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at least you can catch it there too.

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Speaker 2: But the third I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: But it was funny because when they said, of course,

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you know, because people don't read, when they said the

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statue is at the airport, Everyone's like.

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Speaker 2: Why would they move it?

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Speaker 1: Like, dude, article, it's not the same condemn statue, it's

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01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,800
a different one. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, I mean Philadelphia

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01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,079
has the Rocky statue and the Liberty Bell, and probably

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the lines are equal.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Rocky is important, man, you know it.

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01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,519
You're a Philadelphy. I love it. All right.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to a rating. So, on a scale

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of one to five boxing gloves, what do you give

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Rocky three?

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01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna give it three point five boxing gloves.

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I was considering giving it only three, but I'm giving

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it the extra point five for the entertainment value. I

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01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,719
had fun with this. It is such an easy watch.

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It's a quick watch, as we mentioned, technically an hour

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01:03:57,199 --> 01:04:00,719
and thirty nine minutes. Stallone looks great, Whether looks great,

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love the training montages. Is it unintentionally funny at moments? Yes?

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And is it over the top Yeah, But so I

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01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:12,039
just got mad respect for Stallone as a writer, director,

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01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:17,239
Hulk Hogan hilarious in this that whole sequence, like you mentioned,

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So I'm glad you put that as a favorite scene.

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01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,119
So there's just so many highlights you revisit. It's nostalgia,

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it's the music, It's I the Tiger come on. One

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01:04:24,519 --> 01:04:27,840
of the best theme songs of all time, and inspirational.

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This is the workout playlist, so all of that emotional scene,

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you know, with losing Mickey or just Meredith in this,

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01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,000
but good to see the cast together for the most

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01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:43,679
part again here and Rocky comes back again. He does

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01:04:43,719 --> 01:04:47,239
it again, and you still have that or I still

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01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,360
have that thrilling feeling, that adrenaline rush and the chills

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01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,760
at the very end with the theme song and when

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he wins and he does the jump in the air.

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So it's still effective. It's still effective for me. I have,

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you know, the issues that were mentioned, and I'll just

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leave it at that and still have fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm exactly saying three point five. Sometimes I feel like

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01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:09,400
you read my paper before you give your reading.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still fun.

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01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm surprised how fast this movie goes the fact that

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they can make Rocky on top and then change them

1316
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,000
to the underdog midway through. And that's what I just

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01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:23,679
love about the movies, and being the underdog and overcoming

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01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:25,800
the obstacles. That's what I love about most of these

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01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,679
boxing movies. Mister T I really like enjoyed him as

1320
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,480
are Baddie there you go. Yeah, shout out to him

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01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:36,639
for sure. Carl Weathers as Apollo coming in and training,

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01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,320
Tony Burton coming back, who was Apollo's training He has

1323
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,039
his appearance in that one. Yeah, yeah, I think Tony

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01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:46,000
Burton almost made it longer than anyone else from the

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01:05:46,039 --> 01:05:49,199
original movie outside of PAULI. I think they're both in

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01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:52,960
the first six together. But it's Rocky, man, that's all

1327
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,639
I said. I'm filled delphic Rocky. I'm gonna like this movie.

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01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:58,440
But yeah, for me, it is in the middle of

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the overall Rocky exactly the middle Rocky three. So everything

1330
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,679
is basically is it better than this or worse than

1331
01:06:04,679 --> 01:06:05,599
this great stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we got to cover this man because of

1333
01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:10,000
your connection to the city and to the films. Oh

1334
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:12,039
I wanted to ask you real quick, was Tony Burton

1335
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:14,920
our hats that actor from The Shining? Because he has

1336
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:17,840
one brief part? Who is the Gentleman? I thought I

1337
01:06:18,039 --> 01:06:19,960
chose the Gentleman as the one brief part that.

1338
01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:23,239
Speaker 1: I thought you did talk about him in one of

1339
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:23,760
the movies.

1340
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he makes the call either to uh Scatman

1341
01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:30,960
Crothers something like that towards the middle or end of

1342
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,039
The Shining. I could have sworn I talked about him

1343
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:36,400
and the fact that he was in these films as well.

1344
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,039
So yeah, anyway, all good.

1345
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Speaker 1: That just about wraps up for this week's episode.

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01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:42,559
Speaker 2: As always, we appreciate each.

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01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 1: And again, don't forget to follow so in your favorite

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01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:45,239
streaming platform.

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01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 2: I'll leave the rating and drop us a review. I

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01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,400
want to know more about our show.

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01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: He's head over to All Dingiesmovies podcast dot com all

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:54,639
the red details.

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01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,119
Speaker 2: We hope you join us next time as we dive

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01:06:57,159 --> 01:06:58,559
into another classic from.

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01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: The greatest movie decade ever two Naties.

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Speaker 2: Until then, stay cool.

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01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:07,119
Speaker 3: You have an excellent Everyone to all my love slaves

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out there, Thunderlits is here in the flesh, baby, the

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01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:19,519
ultimate male versus the ultimate meat ball.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for staying up with us. Good Night world,