Speaker 1: We are.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 1: Oh how are you? Since you're sweet, beautiful, I am
Speaker 1: very fine. How are you doing? You know? I woke
Speaker 1: up today and was like, I don't think we're gonna
Speaker 1: make it. Let me tell you. I was just listening
Speaker 1: to the till end of your monologue and the guy
Speaker 1: was clapping. I was like, yes, we need to have
Speaker 1: this conversation. Oh, what's an ethnicity again? You know what? Yeah,
Speaker 1: be called an ep semi today. It's a freaking badge
Speaker 1: of honor, especially by those people. How are you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? You're utterly rubbishing what antisemitism is
Speaker 1: if you reduce it to people, you know, not having
Speaker 1: the right to say we stand against a state that
Speaker 1: commits genocide. Come on now that you use it as
Speaker 1: your weaponize at de semitism against people who say children
Speaker 1: have the right to live.
Speaker 2: Yes, but the people and the people saying this are like, oh,
Speaker 2: we trying to just kill people in peace, and y'all
Speaker 2: keep talking about it.
Speaker 1: We got to take the social media, y'all talk about it.
Speaker 1: We got to take the.
Speaker 2: Social media, and we're trying to kill these kids and
Speaker 2: you know the fact that who they are.
Speaker 1: Can I just say this let me say this, the
Speaker 1: fact that we've got to the point that talking about
Speaker 1: this makes us laugh at them. That always tells me
Speaker 1: the point I have reached that I am so angry
Speaker 1: that really the only other option is for me to
Speaker 1: laugh or else, I seriously, I will be raging and
Speaker 1: all this what we hear is me raw because what
Speaker 1: the actual hell like, what do you mean? What do
Speaker 1: you mean to tell me, hey me that I can't
Speaker 1: open this god given mouth of mine and crust the
Speaker 1: hell out of you for committing war crafts? Well, let's wait.
Speaker 2: Let me let me play this video for you, because
Speaker 2: since you're talking about you want to get mad, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get mad with you.
Speaker 1: I get mad with you. Where is this dang where's
Speaker 1: this gad dang video? You know what? I gotta transfer it,
Speaker 1: so welcome back to it. What are you up to?
Speaker 1: What's going on? What are you talking about about? Oh? Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about I believe you know what it
Speaker 1: means to be to be black in Britain, to be black,
Speaker 1: deal with the nonsense that is no sense from people
Speaker 1: in power. I mean I reacted to Donald Trump's racist
Speaker 1: rant at Iland and Somalians, right, Oh, yeah, that one.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's nothing new, but you know what it
Speaker 1: triggered me. Though. What it triggered me was me remembering
Speaker 1: all these Americans who told us during the general election
Speaker 1: that please stay out of our politics, Please don't have
Speaker 1: an opinion, Please don't say anything about no no no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, Because when you choose a rutting ass racist, rapist,
Speaker 1: white supremacist in chief, as you're freaking president of the
Speaker 1: country saying as the most powerful, the most descent the world,
Speaker 1: you're ending up influencing my country and every other country.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I am going to have a freaking opinion
Speaker 1: and I'm going to speak.
Speaker 2: So I'm playing a very protectionist about like they're very
Speaker 2: territorial about things like that. Like even down to here
Speaker 2: in the United States, like people will be like, don't
Speaker 2: say nothing about my state.
Speaker 1: I'm like, your state is in the country I'm in.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Like, this is what I'm like, don't say nothing about
Speaker 2: New York if you don't live in New York. And
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I mean, it may annoy you, but
Speaker 2: New York is like a world capital.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I just found the
Speaker 1: whole conversation and the way people want to possess you know,
Speaker 1: what you can or can't talk about. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: I think there are times and you can challenge people's
Speaker 1: authenticity and standing to apply or something that they either
Speaker 1: clearly have jack or knowledge about or just infusing themselves
Speaker 1: in there to be able to cause trouble. I think
Speaker 1: that there are always moments for that. But you have
Speaker 1: to recognize that America has such power that the President
Speaker 1: of the United States calling a black woman as sitting
Speaker 1: US congress member garbage only serves to embolding the bottom
Speaker 1: feed of racists, not just in the United States, but
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom, across Europe and all of these so
Speaker 1: called racists, you know. So, yeah, we have to say something,
Speaker 1: we have to be able to respond to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this video for you, Okay, it's gonna piss you off. Oh.
Speaker 2: So this is Elon Carr, who is the CEO of
Speaker 2: the Israel American Council. He is the former US Anti
Speaker 2: Semitism z are that tells you everything you.
Speaker 1: Need to know. And here he is at a Jewish
Speaker 1: conference in New York.
Speaker 3: And so we are living in a time of miracles
Speaker 3: and unprecedented opportunities and the challenge for us here and
Speaker 3: well this I'll end because this is this is key.
Speaker 3: The challenge for us here is to leverage Israel's successes
Speaker 3: into our successes and our victories here because we are
Speaker 3: one people. Israel's weakness is ours and Israel's strength is ours.
Speaker 3: And now that Israel has turned the entire geopolitical situation
Speaker 3: on its head, our job in the diaspora is to
Speaker 3: leverage those wins and win here due to our enemies here,
Speaker 3: what Israel did to its enemies there and on that
Speaker 3: the ice is focused.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea. Thank you do tell enemies here
Speaker 1: what Israel did to enemies I'm sorry. Genocide, starvation, ethnic cleansing,
Speaker 1: shoot in at will Okay, hold on, don't piss you off.
Speaker 2: So while you get your thoughts together, I want to
Speaker 2: remind you all that all of the things that doctor
Speaker 2: Shola Moss has listed. In addition to that is the
Speaker 2: surveillance practices that we have seen getting grow growing stronger
Speaker 2: and stronger. We have seen incredible repression, not only here
Speaker 2: the States, but much more even in.
Speaker 1: The in the United Kingdom.
Speaker 2: I just saw somebody get pulled over and the cop
Speaker 2: told him that he was getting arrested because he.
Speaker 1: Found a watermelon like sticker in his car.
Speaker 2: Right, So when you see this and shout out to
Speaker 2: Sabby Sabas who said, wait a minute, was that a threat?
Speaker 1: Because Jewish supremacy is a real thing, Like.
Speaker 2: There's now where they're like, listen, we that girl, and
Speaker 2: there's not going to be any stopping us.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to show a video a little later
Speaker 1: in the show of Dye.
Speaker 2: I mean the former dictator who, by the way, he
Speaker 2: was many terrible things.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah he was. He is released, he.
Speaker 2: Caught them, and he talks about it. And you know,
Speaker 2: you're starting to see the same way that you were
Speaker 2: just naming the rise of like bold racism by the
Speaker 2: statements made by someone like Donald Trump, we have seen
Speaker 2: also with the rise of both Zionism, which we know
Speaker 2: is also racism.
Speaker 1: I'm so freakingly the fascinating.
Speaker 2: Part of this is that this gathering is essentially the
Speaker 2: same as when we had when we saw Nazi gatherings
Speaker 2: in Britain and in the US, they were outwardly having
Speaker 2: whole conventions to talk about fascism exactly exactly, and there's.
Speaker 1: No doubt in my mind that there are a number
Speaker 1: of questions raised by his performance and his words. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to start asking are these people israeleased or
Speaker 1: the Americans? Because it's not the Israelis, because let me
Speaker 1: tell you, religions are loyalty is to Israel and know.
Speaker 2: What literally it is like their ethos is I am
Speaker 2: Israeli before I'm anything exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think that there will be many people out
Speaker 1: there who are just like me that before October seven,
Speaker 1: twenty three, Zionism, I can't tell you what it was.
Speaker 1: I could not have. It was not in my dictionary.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have. And before October seventh, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: you had asked me about Israelise, or if you had
Speaker 1: asked me my thoughts of views about Jews, I had none.
Speaker 1: I did not give my much more than I would
Speaker 1: give a Muslim or a Buddhist. As a Christian, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're doing good for you. You're a Muslim, good for you.
Speaker 1: I mean, if none of my dam bits, that's what
Speaker 1: your faith is at the end of the day, to
Speaker 1: be between you and God and me and God. So
Speaker 1: and a story. But it only took me a couple
Speaker 1: of months I'm sorry it took me that long. It
Speaker 1: took me that long because I kept seeing the word Zionist, zionism,
Speaker 1: you know, online broh blah. I was like, what the
Speaker 1: heck is this or is it a movement on ideology?
Speaker 1: And what we are actually seen are the worst on
Speaker 1: the periphery, maybe at the center of it as a
Speaker 1: good meaning, you know what I mean, Only for me
Speaker 1: to realize that it is rotten to the freaking core.
Speaker 1: There is nothing good about Zionism. It is rotten to
Speaker 1: the core. And what then cinched it for me was
Speaker 1: when that whatever his face is, Elon Levey, the former
Speaker 1: state spokesperson for Israel to the UK, did a video
Speaker 1: trying to explain Zionism as anti colonialism, and I went.
Speaker 2: Hold up colonialism, like they have a Dionism, they had
Speaker 2: a colonial they had a duration colonial colonial chapter.
Speaker 1: In fact, in fact, what the that sinks it for
Speaker 1: me because I went colonialism, well that I know and
Speaker 1: everything I've seen about Zionism is a very opposite of
Speaker 1: anti colonial. So that's when I went, Okay, let's go.
Speaker 1: And of course I started getting all this you know,
Speaker 1: I was getting all this your bad press. I was
Speaker 1: getting all of the threats I was getting all of that,
Speaker 1: you you know, the abuse and demands for investigation, sent
Speaker 1: to my sent again because I'm a lawyer, send to
Speaker 1: my regulators, you know, trying to try to destroy my
Speaker 1: reputation and my credibility. And I'm thinking, do you people
Speaker 1: understand that people like us, Amanda, are you and so
Speaker 1: many others? We've had to fight so many wars to
Speaker 1: get to where we are today. God has not brought
Speaker 1: us this far to leave us for the kind of
Speaker 1: you to think to have the caucastic zionasity to think
Speaker 1: you can bring your bs and I will be shocked
Speaker 1: for once, who the hell died and made you? God?
Speaker 1: I'm okay, where's my rapper? Let me tie it, where's
Speaker 1: my scarff? Let's go? Why is gright?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Here you are murdering children. I am witnessing children
Speaker 1: being murdered and witnessing civilians being decapitated. But you I well,
Speaker 1: letting my journeymys be because right now I don't need
Speaker 1: any of that British for likeness. Put that to one side.
Speaker 1: The Nigerian should come out because we are ready to go.
Speaker 1: We will write. I don't because are you mad?
Speaker 2: Give my attitude for the last two years it has
Speaker 2: been I've watched it, you know. I mean you were
Speaker 2: brought into my zeitgeist because we were talking about the
Speaker 2: same things, right, and that to me has been a
Speaker 2: blessing just being able to have I mean, I will say,
Speaker 2: I'll get credit where its due.
Speaker 1: So the algorithm did his job in that regard.
Speaker 2: You know, it brought folks together who may not have
Speaker 2: necessarily stumbled upon each other.
Speaker 1: And so I ask you in Britain right now, yeah, as.
Speaker 2: A as a black brit how does colonialism get talked
Speaker 2: about in Britain in this time that we're in.
Speaker 1: Oh, colonialism is talked about us a good thing. It's
Speaker 1: talked about as it's nostalgic for white British people. Some
Speaker 1: white British people. It is a matter of British empire
Speaker 1: because after all, we went and saved you savages from yourselves.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for us white people coming into your
Speaker 1: African hearts, you would have no civilization, you'd have nothing
Speaker 1: to talk about. But basically history is being rewritten on
Speaker 1: a daily basis, and it's being used to justify even
Speaker 1: what we see today with Zionism. Okay, and uh. At
Speaker 1: the same time, the same way you find language that
Speaker 1: that that treats Zionists Jewish people as when I say anxiety,
Speaker 1: I mean zigni Is Jews as as victims when the
Speaker 1: reality is that these designer is Jews are oppressed as
Speaker 1: masquerading as victims. They used that same language right about that.
Speaker 1: It is not colonization, not at all. After all, this
Speaker 1: is not what Israel is doing. They gaslight you every
Speaker 1: single day. And you know, for someone like me, as
Speaker 1: especially as a black activist, as a black female activist,
Speaker 1: I am drawing on so much of my history, my
Speaker 1: history as a black person, my history as a black female,
Speaker 1: my history as as an activist. And I'm thinking, do
Speaker 1: these people think we are dumb? Do they not understand
Speaker 1: that there's so much of what we're saying that we've
Speaker 1: seen before. So it's you know, it's interesting you mentioned
Speaker 1: earlier monologue. There's so much that we get ghastly on.
Speaker 1: So think about language, the way they refer to, oh,
Speaker 1: if you're Jewish, it's an ethnicity. No, it's not an ethnicity,
Speaker 1: it's a faith or or the way they are at
Speaker 1: most maybe at no religious ethnicity, right, because you.
Speaker 2: Ask Jewish folks and name you ask the word the
Speaker 2: real lines, and they'll keep it in buck with you.
Speaker 1: They're like, exactly when I hear or when I see uh.
Speaker 1: You know, you constantly get the Zionist talking points, and
Speaker 1: these zion Is hooking points come to you by white
Speaker 1: zignus Jews. We all know black Jews and brown Juices exist,
Speaker 1: but we know that the help of Zionism are white
Speaker 1: Jewish people. Just as you have with antisigners Jews, you
Speaker 1: find white and designers Jews say Zionism has jackal to
Speaker 1: do with Judaism. Zionism has nothing to do with us
Speaker 1: as please stop referring or conflicting as with Zionism. So here, yeah, now, wait, yes, wait.
Speaker 2: A bill to ban dual citizenship in the United States
Speaker 2: has been introduced in the Senate by who. Senator Bernie Marino,
Speaker 2: a Republican in Ohio, introduced Senate Bill three two eight
Speaker 2: three Exclusive Citizenship Act of twenty twenty five, which would
Speaker 2: ban dual citizenship in the United States.
Speaker 1: Perception, yeah, would have been the exception bill the bill.
Speaker 2: Let's see, the bill would require a person with US
Speaker 2: citizenship and that of another country to give up one
Speaker 2: or the other alleging that a US citizen holding citizenship
Speaker 2: elsewhere may create conflicts of interest and divided loyalties.
Speaker 1: Mind you, I promise you Israel is not the exception.
Speaker 2: And that's why I keep telling y'all that we're about
Speaker 2: to have the United States of Israel. They are going
Speaker 2: to make Israel an official part of the United States,
Speaker 2: and then Israel is going to take over.
Speaker 1: Just remember I said this. Oh my god, it's asked.
Speaker 2: A US citizen who voluntarily acquires foreign citizenship would have
Speaker 2: to relinquish their US citizenship after the date of enactment.
Speaker 2: Those who have dual citizenship would have to submit a
Speaker 2: written renunciation of foreign citizenship to the government no later
Speaker 2: than one year after the enactment of the act.
Speaker 1: Those who do.
Speaker 2: Not comply will be deemed to have voluntarily relinquished their
Speaker 2: US citizenship. So you you are hearing me now, I
Speaker 2: want you to hear me say this now. I will
Speaker 2: do that when it's time, and I will just be Grenadian.
Speaker 1: I will say this though. I will say this while
Speaker 1: they try to target none white people, the people. Did
Speaker 1: you really affect American is released real? But I'm telling
Speaker 1: you I'm Shola. I have been trying to screen this
Speaker 1: from the rooftops, and folks are not hearing me. What
Speaker 1: what we are watching? Yes?
Speaker 2: Is it's not that we're watching a coming together, We're
Speaker 2: watching a rising together.
Speaker 1: Yes, it has been together.
Speaker 2: We are literally Miss Latilla said it. Thank you, because
Speaker 2: this is what I've been trying to say. The United
Speaker 2: States is being colonized by Israel, and they keep thinking
Speaker 2: it's the other way around. No, because Israel has been embedded.
Speaker 2: Zionism has been embedded in the fabric of the world,
Speaker 2: of the globe.
Speaker 1: And the UK. Same shit. The UK is already colonized. Sis,
Speaker 1: we are already colonized by Israel. I hope people are
Speaker 1: paying attention. We are already colonized. Zionism is so insidious
Speaker 1: in Britain. It permeates every facet of our society. But
Speaker 1: it took October twenty twenty three for someone like me
Speaker 1: to wake the freak up. I was walking in a slumber.
Speaker 1: So many of us were walking in the slumber, not
Speaker 1: realizing what was happening right in front of our eyes.
Speaker 1: It took the last two years for me to realize that.
Speaker 1: Before I started seeing people getting imprisoned, a language being
Speaker 1: used to my line and character, you know, like totally
Speaker 1: destroy people's reputation. It has already been done on that record.
Speaker 2: Have y'all heard, there's already been two vocal words that
Speaker 2: have happened here today we heard doctor Sho Lama say
Speaker 2: o Pine and my line. So I just want y'all
Speaker 2: to be really listening. Okay, I just want y'all to
Speaker 2: be really listening.
Speaker 1: We just heard opine and my line. I'm hearing it.
Speaker 1: Keep talking to us please, And I think the bottom line,
Speaker 1: the bottom line now is that we need to start
Speaker 1: to weaponize the very language and the same processes that
Speaker 1: they've used they're using against us. We need to understand
Speaker 1: that our lives, liberty, and likelihoods are at risk. People.
Speaker 1: This is not a maybe it would happen. It is
Speaker 1: happening now. It is happening right before us. The fact
Speaker 1: that they don't even care, they don't care, they're doing
Speaker 1: it blatantly. This is a problem they You know, that's
Speaker 1: what I said earlier about the language being used. Think
Speaker 1: about it everything we fought for. I mean, look at
Speaker 1: how they refer to antisemitism as racism. You said earlier
Speaker 1: about how toudaism is not ethnicity. And when I tell
Speaker 1: people and Semitism is not racism, they're like I said, no,
Speaker 1: use the brain God gave you. Let let's process. Let's
Speaker 1: process this antisemiticim is an expression of hate in its
Speaker 1: own right. In its own right, it is equally as
Speaker 1: heinous as racism. It is not the same thing. Who
Speaker 1: exists with racism sects with racism, but it is not
Speaker 1: the same thing because if we accept that Jews are
Speaker 1: not a race, They're not a race. They will never
Speaker 1: have a race. I don't care what Hitler's said and
Speaker 1: how we try to use that against them, when when
Speaker 1: in God's world do what Hitler have to say about
Speaker 1: Jews now become a reference point to prove something? I mean,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? You people? Not to you
Speaker 1: a man that those people talking about me, you have
Speaker 1: not a race. So you have white Jews, you have
Speaker 1: black Judes, you have brown Juice. Now wein this no
Speaker 1: religious ethnicity. Let's just say, right, white Jews can and
Speaker 1: have been racist from black and brown Jews. That's because
Speaker 1: the sys of white supremacy is very separate from everything
Speaker 1: else that is going on. So they can do that.
Speaker 1: Black and brown Jews can't be racist to white Jewish people.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. So when you now claim
Speaker 1: that anti Semitism is racism, what you're actually doing is
Speaker 1: denying a real injustice, of racial injustice that is born
Speaker 1: by those who genuinely experience it. And when you do that,
Speaker 1: when you start called that semits and racism, you know
Speaker 1: who benefits from that? White people? Because in what world
Speaker 1: are white people experiencing racism? How? I mean does anti
Speaker 1: white prejudice exist? Absolutely, that's racist. This morning they called
Speaker 1: me that all the time, am and season California. You
Speaker 1: are at five thirty, you know, and sometimes you have
Speaker 1: to go. It's some people are just willfully ignorant. And
Speaker 1: Zionists use this. They use this to say, well, now
Speaker 1: you're being racist to me. And I'm like, I know,
Speaker 1: Semitism is not racism and seven sim is antisemitism in
Speaker 1: its own right. And if you think about it, when
Speaker 1: I say you've got the white Jewish person, black and
Speaker 1: brown Jewish people, when they talk about Semitism, have you
Speaker 1: noticed a manner that they're really only talking about white Jews.
Speaker 1: Nobody talking about the antisemitism and racism that black and
Speaker 1: brown Jews experience so black and brown Jewish people are
Speaker 1: experiencing two intersecting inequalities and racial injustices, and people happy
Speaker 1: caucastic audacity. They yonasity to the homophobia homophobias. The problem
Speaker 1: here is that they use racism as a catch off
Speaker 1: phrase for everything. So as far as I'm concer, and
Speaker 1: all you're doing is impound the very people who already
Speaker 1: oppress oppress black and brown people. So white Jewish people,
Speaker 1: black and brown Jewish people who will all experience and Semitism,
Speaker 1: but the only one whose pain of Semitism is ever
Speaker 1: acknowledged or addressed a white Jewish people. White Jewish people
Speaker 1: do not experience freaking racism. Black and brown Jewish people do.
Speaker 1: So when you come to a country like the UK
Speaker 1: in Britain and everything you do is that immediately it's
Speaker 1: immediately couch. And anytime you speak out against science, same
Speaker 1: when you speak out against as well, it's immediately couch.
Speaker 1: As racism, you have to ask yourself why, because these
Speaker 1: white people are not they're not dumb. They understand the
Speaker 1: struggle that black and brown people, especially black people black
Speaker 1: people have endured in racism, and what they want to
Speaker 1: do is co opt that struggle, not experience the struggle,
Speaker 1: but co opt it. So they come. And so when
Speaker 1: someone like me says, hell to the freak, no, I'm
Speaker 1: against antisemitism. I will use my voice and every fiber
Speaker 1: of my being to fight and sim because I don't
Speaker 1: need to be Jewish to do so. But hell, no,
Speaker 1: am I going to sit here and say, oh and
Speaker 1: seman sim is racism? It's not. I can see that
Speaker 1: it is not the same thing applies to Islamophobia. I
Speaker 1: might not just think about it. I know some people,
Speaker 1: many people that I respect, are like, they say, Islamophobia
Speaker 1: is racism. I'm like, no, it's not. Islamophobia is its
Speaker 1: own heinous expression of hate. It is you know, it
Speaker 1: is as heinous as racism. It coexists with racism, it
Speaker 1: intersects with racism. But they're not the same freaking thing.
Speaker 1: White Muslims as an example, white black, and brown Muslims
Speaker 1: will all experience is Slamophobia, but white Muslims do not
Speaker 1: experience racism. Black and brown Muslims experience Islamophobia and racism. People,
Speaker 1: and I'm speaking English, not Latin, not Swaikili, now what
Speaker 1: and tells you they are two different?
Speaker 2: But we did Okay, okay, So now what right? Because
Speaker 2: because my thing is is we're we're at an inflection point,
Speaker 2: doctor Shola, where the ignorance is so deeply outweighed by
Speaker 2: the power and so even the so the people who
Speaker 2: It'd be one thing if we had an informed populist
Speaker 2: that simply just felt powerless.
Speaker 1: But we have an ignorant populist exactly.
Speaker 2: Right, that also feels powerless, like you know, like someone
Speaker 2: asked the question, Adrian asked the question, are the countries
Speaker 2: so used to being colonized that we just don't fight back?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. This
Speaker 1: this is where we get it wrong. America has maybe yes,
Speaker 1: was once upon a time colonized by Britain, but we
Speaker 1: know that race or past is from a colonizer, right Britain.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll let you want to talk about the Romans.
Speaker 1: Let's let's just talk the last how many hundred years.
Speaker 1: These countries are not used to being colonized. They are
Speaker 1: the colonizers. So what is happening here is not colonization
Speaker 1: as we understand it. The way you went to Africa,
Speaker 1: South America.
Speaker 2: And colonization two point oh, thank you colonizer, colonizing the colonizer.
Speaker 1: It's colonizer and colonizer violence. This is literally sets of
Speaker 1: people white supremacy in conjunction with Jewish supremacy working together. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: the world, that is it. That is what is happening here,
Speaker 1: because if you look across Europe, look across Europe, Germany,
Speaker 1: we're talking about, you know, strong countries and strong economies
Speaker 1: here that support Israel right and support the United States.
Speaker 1: And some of them are just you know, whatever Trump says,
Speaker 1: whatever America says. You know, we cawtow, we caltaw. These
Speaker 1: country trees that are meant to be strong in their
Speaker 1: own right, they're all shipping like chicken liver cowards. Not
Speaker 1: on single a single one of them is saying anything
Speaker 1: because why because they're part of the system. So the
Speaker 1: people being colonized or they attempting to colonize, are people
Speaker 1: like us, black, brown, white people who are against genocide,
Speaker 1: who are against colonization, who are against Zionists, who are
Speaker 1: against white supremacy, who are against Jewish supremacy, who are
Speaker 1: against everything that we know would make our world rotten.
Speaker 1: Those are the people they're trying to colonize. They want
Speaker 1: to normalize the very things that our ancestors fought against,
Speaker 1: be then black ancestors, white brown assess the kind of
Speaker 1: thing that we are still fighting today. They want to
Speaker 1: make it legal, legitimate, They want to they want it
Speaker 1: to be clared. Just like you said about Israel. Israel
Speaker 1: is part and parcel of the United States of America.
Speaker 1: But like me, I'm sure millions of people like me
Speaker 1: are only just realizing, Oh my god, we did not
Speaker 1: know that before too, about twenty twenty three. I did
Speaker 1: not know before to about twenty twenty three that my country,
Speaker 1: the UK, is being colonized by Israel. I had no
Speaker 1: idea that Israel had my politicians, people that we thought
Speaker 1: we were democratically elected in their freaking pockets. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm talking.
Speaker 2: About, that they want to applause you real quick because
Speaker 2: something annoyed me.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, you don't mind stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So someone here said, ableism never gets enough time in
Speaker 2: these conversations. First of all, the conversation isn't even an
Speaker 2: hour long. We haven't even been talking for an hour,
Speaker 2: so let's start there. Second of all, y'all be applying
Speaker 2: ableism to everything under the sun.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Third of all, let me just say this, what doctor
Speaker 2: Shola is literally iminating, illuminating and enumerating for you is
Speaker 2: the reality of how new this revelation is. So solutions
Speaker 2: are always going to be the very.
Speaker 1: Process bound in how they are applied. So if we're
Speaker 1: just now getting illuminated to.
Speaker 2: The reality of the issue, right I literally just sat
Speaker 2: here and pulled up this and pointed it to you,
Speaker 2: and now we're talking about, well, it's ableism.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you now, people aren't.
Speaker 2: Going to be able to leave this country for many
Speaker 2: reasons besides simply you know, disabled, because that is a
Speaker 2: very real reason, right Shola.
Speaker 1: This is a nation of disability. Beyond the physical.
Speaker 2: The disability is also emotional, and it is also mental
Speaker 2: because the psychological operations that have been happening on our
Speaker 2: internal wiring have been so consistent and immense that there
Speaker 2: will be studies if the earth lasts long enough for
Speaker 2: people to look back, they will literally come back and say,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this entire people had been mentally brainwashed, yep,
Speaker 2: and and could render us physically unable like we are
Speaker 2: as a people not operating at our capability because of
Speaker 2: the efforts that have been done.
Speaker 1: So I want to point out that, yes, we.
Speaker 2: Do need to make time to have conversations around the disabled.
Speaker 2: We do need to make time to have conversations around
Speaker 2: folks who are not economically viable to lead. However, however,
Speaker 2: we are right now simply at the inflection point of
Speaker 2: even just acknowledging what the is the first place.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and how quite frankly, we are all being empowered,
Speaker 1: so diabled and the disabled, right, we are all being disempowered.
Speaker 1: If somebody can come and throw you into prison for
Speaker 1: exercising your rights to express disgust and contempt for evil,
Speaker 1: that should tell you that, whether you're able or disabled,
Speaker 1: it's a freaking problem. It's gonna affect you economically, It's
Speaker 1: going to affect you, you know, reputationally, it's going to
Speaker 1: affect your standing in society. So we need to get
Speaker 1: to a point where even our language and how we
Speaker 1: present ourselves is very clear to the other side.
Speaker 2: Because but how like, okay, real and this is not
Speaker 2: this is not like Devil's advocate, This is a genuine question.
Speaker 1: Yes, why does that matter? What do you what do
Speaker 1: you think? What what teeth does it have?
Speaker 2: I'm y'all, I'm literally having an anxiet attack, as idy attack.
Speaker 2: I'm literally having an anxiety attack. Like I'm so overwhelmed
Speaker 2: in this moment, doctor Sola, and I forgot my medication.
Speaker 1: So let me tell you this. The teeth it has. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think if you begin, imagine yourself being held at gunpoint.
Speaker 1: Just okay, Oh, you just said you have an anxiety Suitely,
Speaker 1: I don't wanted to go higher just watching. Just imagine
Speaker 1: that you are in a position physically where it goes
Speaker 1: is being pointed at your at your head, and there's
Speaker 1: a timer. There is a there's always a timer. That
Speaker 1: is where we are, that we are at a trigger point.
Speaker 1: We have all been brought to this point, the blatant
Speaker 1: use of power against us. It has brought us to
Speaker 1: this point that there is a verbal, metaphorical and physical
Speaker 1: gun being pointed at our lives, livelihoods, and liberties right now.
Speaker 1: And it is not just national, it is global. It
Speaker 1: is not just macro level, it is micro level. And
Speaker 1: if you can't thinkin to comprehend how serious that is
Speaker 1: that even you when I say you're not you are
Speaker 1: man now. But those those of you who like to oh,
Speaker 1: you know there are other people fight in this battle.
Speaker 1: You know, Amandad, doctor Shola, you know, you know all
Speaker 1: these people they're doing it. I don't need to do anything.
Speaker 1: You're wrong. You need to speak up. You need to
Speaker 1: start to form a stance. You need to form a
Speaker 1: stance that makes it clear who you are and that
Speaker 1: you are not purchasable, that you as a human being,
Speaker 1: you count and you matter. And if you're only caring people,
Speaker 1: I can't say this loud enough. I swear if you're
Speaker 1: only caring and thinking, well, you know that happens to Palestinians.
Speaker 1: So that's happened to Muslims. I'm not a Palestinian. I'm
Speaker 1: not a Muslim and Christian. It will shock you. It
Speaker 1: will shock you because let me tell you this right now,
Speaker 1: the people dying in Palestine, be murdered in Palestine are
Speaker 1: Muslims and Christians. They're black and white and brown. And
Speaker 1: the people committing all of these war crimes don't give
Speaker 1: a rat sauce because they're working to a different standard.
Speaker 1: So people, I need you to start to wake up
Speaker 1: and understand the game that is being played. Don't let
Speaker 1: it be too late. And it is okay to be scared.
Speaker 1: I'm scared too, but I'm more pissed off that I'm scared.
Speaker 1: It is okay to question, how are we going to
Speaker 1: do this? The answer is not to do anything. The
Speaker 1: answer is to educate yourself. The answer is to align
Speaker 1: with other allies, and maybe, maybe, just maybe, the answer
Speaker 1: will come to you. But what we cannot afford to
Speaker 1: do is, for instance, that bill is about to be passed,
Speaker 1: so many millions of Americans would not even know about it,
Speaker 1: even if it's posted on ABC CNN. Some of you
Speaker 1: will not be paying attention. And if people are not
Speaker 1: paying attention, you know what's gonna happen. It will get passed,
Speaker 1: and they will use it primarily against people like us.
Speaker 1: That's that's what they will use it against. And I'm
Speaker 1: not just talking about foreigners like me. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: American born people, or Americans who naturalize, or Americans who
Speaker 1: who have the right by descent to be citizens of
Speaker 1: other countries. I mean, you hear Donald Trump talking about
Speaker 1: golf or whatever in Scotland. Yes, right, that's because by
Speaker 1: descent he's Scottish. You hear Joe Biden go to Ireland
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, all of these things. When it
Speaker 1: comes to white people, it's always a totally different standard
Speaker 1: and the people you expect this it's built to apply
Speaker 1: to what like zion Is Jews and the Alliance Israel.
Speaker 1: You will find there will be a coup out, there'll
Speaker 1: be an exception, there'll be a way to work it
Speaker 1: out that it's acta because just like Amanda.
Speaker 2: Says, it's not, it's they're not gonna be that man.
Speaker 2: I want you to listen to what he said again.
Speaker 3: And so we are living in a time of miracles
Speaker 3: and unprecedented opportunities. And the challenge for us here and well,
Speaker 3: this will end because this is this is key. The
Speaker 3: challenge for us here is to leverage Israel's successes into
Speaker 3: our successes, and our victory is here because we are
Speaker 3: one people.
Speaker 1: That part exactly.
Speaker 2: They are literally going to create a fusion. Yeah, what
Speaker 2: ideas real is officially the United States as a colony
Speaker 2: in the Middle East, and not a colony anymore. It
Speaker 2: will be anofficial country like State of the United States.
Speaker 1: And listen, Amanda, you may not be wrong at all,
Speaker 1: but I think it's for people. I'm very wrong, and
Speaker 1: that's what's so annoying. The ship that I be right
Speaker 1: about is the worst shit. And I think what is
Speaker 1: equally annoying is that people cannot read the signs. I
Speaker 1: think it's one thing not to be cognizant and not
Speaker 1: to be aware of history and how it repeats itself.
Speaker 1: But when you see something like this happening, then you
Speaker 1: are duty bound to educate yourself. You're duty bound to
Speaker 1: ask questions and to get the right answers. And when
Speaker 1: you've been giving so much information, pray for wisdom and
Speaker 1: discernment so you know right from wrong. But when we
Speaker 1: end up doing so wrong, is that we get so
Speaker 1: you know, tied up in our own pain, in our
Speaker 1: own struggle, in our own personal losses, that it makes
Speaker 1: it difficult for people to see out because you don't
Speaker 1: understand that they're weaponizing your pain and you'll struggle to
Speaker 1: keep you down. That's what they're doing. And I think
Speaker 1: sometimes when people see people like you, I might not
Speaker 1: saying myself, and they think, oh, look at them. They
Speaker 1: sound very strong, very confident, But you don't see us
Speaker 1: when we're like, oh my god, what do I do now?
Speaker 1: I'm on the floor. I am literally on the floor
Speaker 1: in the hotel room right now. You know that we
Speaker 1: up tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Yes, because I only allow myself twenty four hours of panic.
Speaker 2: I started doing that in two thousand and five. Yeah,
Speaker 2: got twenty four hours of panic.
Speaker 1: And whatever you do.
Speaker 2: In that twenty four hours, cry, run, go punch something,
Speaker 2: eat ice cream, retail therapy, and then send it back.
Speaker 2: But you get twenty four hours and then you got
Speaker 2: to figure it the fuck out.
Speaker 1: I think that is so important. That is so important,
Speaker 1: And this is why, for instance, when we said, okay,
Speaker 1: let's have a conversation about what it is to be black,
Speaker 1: for instance in Britain, what does that mean? What does
Speaker 1: it mean to be a marginalized you know, part of
Speaker 1: a marginalized group in a country that you belong to.
Speaker 1: How if people don't understand this is this is what
Speaker 1: is going to happen. This is exactly what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: We're going to end up asking ourselves what is it
Speaker 1: like to be you? No longer a boy? Whether you're black, brown,
Speaker 1: or white, you'll be defined by something else, whether you're
Speaker 1: biness or antisionist, whether you're genocide or anti genocide, whether
Speaker 1: you're pro colonization of We will all be defined by
Speaker 1: something else, but the root of it will be the same,
Speaker 1: because you know when when you when you when you
Speaker 1: reach out, when you reach down. I thought about the
Speaker 1: question what is it like to be black in Britain?
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself. To be black in Britain
Speaker 1: is to be British and told you're not. To be
Speaker 1: black in Britain is to be rooted in your heritage
Speaker 1: and told that what shapes the sum of you would
Speaker 1: be nothing without white people. To be black in Britain
Speaker 1: is to have the white need of white supremacy on
Speaker 1: your black necks, and talk by the governments who are
Speaker 1: meant to serve and protect you that Britain is not
Speaker 1: institutionally and systemically racist. To be black in Britain is
Speaker 1: to have your history, your presence and contributions in Britain,
Speaker 1: both president and historical, to be denied, questioned, or minimized.
Speaker 1: To be black in Britain, ladies, ladies and gentlemen is
Speaker 1: to be denied your lived experiences and having to justify
Speaker 1: while you also belong. To be black in Britain is
Speaker 1: to have your black identity constantly maligned, misrepresented, marginalized, commoditized,
Speaker 1: and criminalized. To be black in Britain is to suffer
Speaker 1: the violence of white supremacy, both visibly and invisibly, verbal
Speaker 1: and physical, and then go completely ignored in plain view.
Speaker 1: To be black in Britain is to fight so hard
Speaker 1: for economic, racial, cultural and social justice only for the
Speaker 1: people to benefit most from it, from every step of progress,
Speaker 1: to be white. And if we are not careful, we
Speaker 1: are getting to a stage now where it is not
Speaker 1: just as I said, to be black, or to be brown,
Speaker 1: or to be Muslim, or even to be Jewish. We're
Speaker 1: getting to a point where this you know inflection you're
Speaker 1: talking about, Amanda, it's taking us a whole new level
Speaker 1: of evil. It's going to be it's going to be
Speaker 1: the marriage between supremacy, fascism, Nazism, and all of these
Speaker 1: other things that people fought so hard. Yes, no longer exists.
Speaker 1: And when that that is already happening. Quite frankly, it
Speaker 1: is already happening because it's been legitimate in our houses
Speaker 1: of Parliament. We have a political prostitute for your Prime Minister,
Speaker 1: Kirs Starmer, who who is a freaking Zionist. He just
Speaker 1: jumps from one place.
Speaker 2: Now, I was gonna say you know what it is.
Speaker 2: He's not even a Zionist. He's an opportunist.
Speaker 1: So he'll do what he if he needs to be
Speaker 1: a Zionist today. Fine, But the reason why he will
Speaker 1: always be a Zionist, Amanda, is because it's not just
Speaker 1: because of opportunity, but because that is where his political
Speaker 1: ambition can grow. That's what I'm saying. That's an opportunitist.
Speaker 1: It's not just opportunity. I need to understand. He also
Speaker 1: has Jewish roots. His wife is Jewish. I hate talking
Speaker 1: about spouses because I don't see the rest.
Speaker 2: Now when I say opportunist, opportunists in my definition is
Speaker 2: someone who will attach themselves to anything that gives them
Speaker 2: a cent.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I'm saying that he believes in this thing.
Speaker 1: This is a good person. He believes Anxietism. Because whether
Speaker 1: you're weaponizing Zionism for political opportunity or wealth is not
Speaker 1: that different from you going, oh well it doesn't affect
Speaker 1: me badly, or I'm going to be part. I'm going
Speaker 1: to be part of this group of people. And that
Speaker 1: is where we also suffer as black people in these
Speaker 1: in this scenarios, because then they have totalized black people
Speaker 1: who justify the evil that is being enforced and imposed
Speaker 1: on other black and brown people. Then we get tokenized
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen Christians. You know, as much as I
Speaker 1: hold Zionus Jews in contempt, I hold Zenus Christians in
Speaker 1: deeper contempt. As a Christian, I consider them to be
Speaker 1: far worse and evil, quite frankly, because you're literally taking
Speaker 1: the Bible, taking Jesus Christ, taking God, and weaponizing the
Speaker 1: very thing that's meant to bring salvation. You're weaponizing it
Speaker 1: as a Russian and you're using all of these dumb
Speaker 1: ass willful ignorance, ideology or because you know it's called this.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. When they named the Puzzle
Speaker 1: of Lands that was a portion to Zionus, When they
Speaker 1: named it Israel, they knew what they were doing.
Speaker 2: Of course, they knew exactly what they were incredible marketers
Speaker 2: and if you call it.
Speaker 1: Anything else, but these Zionist Jews knew because there are
Speaker 1: more Zionist Christians that they are Zionist Jews, right, they
Speaker 1: knew they needed a power of Zionis Christians. And you
Speaker 1: know Zionist Christians are they're they're rooted in white supremacy,
Speaker 1: the black and brown ones are racial gatekeeping. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: enagblers of white supremacy. White nationalist Christianity is rooted in
Speaker 1: white supremacy, and it's that white supremacy and white nationally
Speaker 1: Christianity that was that was empowered, that was used to
Speaker 1: call us from continent to continent, from country to country.
Speaker 1: So as far as I see it, and I've said it,
Speaker 1: I'll say it again, I think zis Christians are the
Speaker 1: absolute freaking worst. And that's why as a Christian and
Speaker 1: I'm grateful to God. I really am grateful to God.
Speaker 1: It is so important to have discernment. It's so important
Speaker 1: to not be afraid to question things because you know
Speaker 1: when they come with this desigonist talking points like God
Speaker 1: gave us this land, and I'm like, you know, I've
Speaker 1: read the Bible back to back quite a number of
Speaker 1: times in my life. I do not claim to be
Speaker 1: able to make quotations like some people. I can't claim that,
Speaker 1: but I have enough in my head to know, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go with God gave you the land by same
Speaker 1: God that kicked you off the land because you pissed
Speaker 1: him off. And we all know why you pissed them off,
Speaker 1: and why keep you because you want to use the
Speaker 1: Bible to claim ownership and legitimacy, when the same Bible
Speaker 1: says you pissed them off so much, he kicks you off.
Speaker 1: And then you get more more, you know, more points
Speaker 1: like well, this is Israel, and the Bible says that
Speaker 1: anybody who goes against Israel, and that's not what the
Speaker 1: Bible says. The Bible says nothing of the sort. And
Speaker 1: then they want to bring up Jesus. Jesus was a Jew.
Speaker 1: We know that. What's your point? And you know, if
Speaker 1: you don't love Jesus, if you don't love Israel Jewish state,
Speaker 1: then you don't love Jesus because Jesus was a Jew.
Speaker 1: And I go, let me ask you, ques, let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question. Go and read the New Testament
Speaker 1: from back to back and show me where Jesus talked
Speaker 1: about Israel, talked about the return of the Kingdom of Israel.
Speaker 1: Talk to he did not, He could not give a
Speaker 1: rats ask about Israel, Kingdom of Israel, Kingdom of Judah,
Speaker 1: if that was none of his damn business. All he
Speaker 1: talked about was the Kingdom of Heaven.
Speaker 2: It's also not ain't historical text period, it's not a
Speaker 2: magna carta. It's not a declaration of independence. It has
Speaker 2: been chopped up and screwed like Houston hip Hosh.
Speaker 1: So sometimes I say, but I would love to make
Speaker 1: the time one day. I would love to make the
Speaker 1: time one day to read all the scripts that did
Speaker 1: not make it into the modern day Bible, read tran
Speaker 1: tre will make the time to read the Torah one day.
Speaker 1: I don't know when, because I am sick and tired
Speaker 1: of people bringing things, you know, passages out of the
Speaker 1: you know, Koran or out of the Torah to justify
Speaker 1: or delegitimize, and I go and anything all different times.
Speaker 1: And the New Testament has mad stuff from Paul and
Speaker 1: youre where like you alive, and even the Old Testament.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got writings in my Bible right, I
Speaker 1: was reading over acts and I've got things in red
Speaker 1: where I'm literally pissed off at por like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean I'm writing it there?
Speaker 2: Because you could almost sell this Pauls who wrote revelations,
Speaker 2: not revelations, Pauls who wrote at Yes, he was like
Speaker 2: by himself, these were all just visions that he had
Speaker 2: and he was like, yo, let me write this down
Speaker 2: because I'm feeling some type of way that's a substack.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But also also you can also see where Paul's
Speaker 1: opinions what is meant to be God's word? Because he
Speaker 1: was like, oh, women, basically saying women should be seen
Speaker 1: on her. I'm like, if women should be seen on her,
Speaker 1: why is that God made women judges? What is that
Speaker 1: God in the Old Testament make women judges and get
Speaker 1: women to my red pin out? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Like Paul was standing in front of him, I mean
Speaker 1: he and I will be having a time of argument
Speaker 1: because I okay, but I've resolved, you know, as a Christian,
Speaker 1: And I said this to myself years ago that they
Speaker 1: go to be things I don't have answers to. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure God is way too busy, especially because I
Speaker 1: just saw him in my other things. That meaning me
Speaker 1: time on that when I finally meet my father in heaven,
Speaker 1: we will have a conversation, because.
Speaker 2: I can tell you the conversation is going to be.
Speaker 2: Then people were speaking for me. That wasn't they. That
Speaker 2: was they was just talking for me. There was a
Speaker 2: gamer operator they they was taking messages.
Speaker 1: You know what, you know what, you know what a lot.
Speaker 2: Of the Bible is a Bible is how when you
Speaker 2: leave a voice note and then you have to tell
Speaker 2: the person, yo, I did voice text. So the translation
Speaker 2: may be off, like that's really what it be as
Speaker 2: God sometimes sometimes, which is why, Which is why when
Speaker 2: I talk to folks and they interpreted it. You know,
Speaker 2: when you read it, you read a text or wherever
Speaker 2: you at. So Moses read the text where he was
Speaker 2: on the mountain. He was like this one, this one
Speaker 2: says to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Moses would have read that the
Speaker 1: same way where he not on the mountain. I know,
Speaker 1: I know. But this is why maturity. I want to
Speaker 1: say maturity, I don't mean age, maturity in growth as
Speaker 1: a human, in your relationship matters for for for the
Speaker 1: longest time. I'm grateful to God for this. At some
Speaker 1: point in my journey in life, I began to understand
Speaker 1: the difference between Christianity as a as a religion and
Speaker 1: Christianity as a relationship with God. So I don't do religion.
Speaker 1: I do not have time for religion because for me,
Speaker 1: religion is burdensome. My spirit is you can't You're just
Speaker 1: your brain. You're just smart.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 1: I don't know about being smart.
Speaker 2: What I do know because because you know that it's
Speaker 2: being used to manipulate you, so you can't your brain
Speaker 2: won't even let you be that.
Speaker 1: So you're like, no, I think this is where I
Speaker 1: think my God comes in because He has fashioned me
Speaker 1: differently so that my very spirit goes that doesn't let
Speaker 1: me tell let me, let me explain some to you
Speaker 1: when I go to church. When I'm in church and
Speaker 1: the pastor is preaching, and Peter said, and John said,
Speaker 1: and Jesus said. Automatically, in my mind, I'm going, all right,
Speaker 1: but what's that going to do with me? Explain it
Speaker 1: to my my immediately because I already know what Jesus said,
Speaker 1: what post I understand. I can read the Bible. What
Speaker 1: I need is to break you down in a way
Speaker 1: that can help me live my life, not just get
Speaker 1: from point A to point B, not just survive, but
Speaker 1: to thrive. And to me, that is where the essence
Speaker 1: and authenticity of the Bible comes in. Where you are
Speaker 1: learning and you're growing. One day you learn something from
Speaker 1: a particular text, and the next day you learn a
Speaker 1: different thing from the same particular text. That for me
Speaker 1: is growth with God. And to me, that is where
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, thank you. But now that I understand
Speaker 1: the difference between religion as you know, as man made
Speaker 1: and relationship with you with God, please let me help
Speaker 1: me stick with you, I'm gonna fall into trap off,
Speaker 1: you know, religiosity.
Speaker 2: Because so this brings us back to the question I
Speaker 2: asked you about language, because what you're really describing is
Speaker 2: how the spirit communicated through language speaks to your spirit, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: And I can say that I've experienced that, not from
Speaker 2: the Bible, but through other texts. I've experienced that through
Speaker 2: the lyrics of Bob Marley. I've experienced that through The
Speaker 2: Alchemist by Paulo Celo, like I've experienced that through Parable
Speaker 2: of the Sour. So it's it's and you know, I've
Speaker 2: been talking a lot lately about how like there is
Speaker 2: something unique about humans and the writing. It's not just communicating,
Speaker 2: it's the writing. There is no other animal that writes, right,
Speaker 2: And we often talk about, Oh, our uniqueness as humans
Speaker 2: is in civilization. No, it's not like other animals have civilizations.
Speaker 2: They have ways that they exist that are civilized. So
Speaker 2: it's the writing and what you're saying about our language
Speaker 2: and how we are referring to ourselves as having power.
Speaker 2: I want to piggyback on that and say it can't
Speaker 2: simply just be in our language verbally, but we have
Speaker 2: to be writing on walls, in books, online everywhere, like
Speaker 2: we have to be making physical record of our existence
Speaker 2: in our own words.
Speaker 1: But we also, Amanda, if I can add to that,
Speaker 1: we need to be birthing. Birthing. And when I say birthing,
Speaker 1: I don't just mean, you know, pushing a child out
Speaker 1: of your you know, Panani, That's not what I'm just
Speaker 1: talking about. I'm talking about you birth in that dream,
Speaker 1: You birth in that vision, that vision that can have
Speaker 1: impact on one person, ten people, one thousand, ten thousand,
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand, a million. And it is through that
Speaker 1: that people will get They get that inspiration and aspiration
Speaker 1: because something will trigger something in them that speaks to
Speaker 1: their spirit about the kind of change and the kind
Speaker 1: of contribution they can make. To me, it's amazing how
Speaker 1: on social media I come across people I have never
Speaker 1: met in my entire life by connect with them in
Speaker 1: a way that I'm not connected with those that I
Speaker 1: see every day. That's something or am I connect with
Speaker 1: a language or text or word of wisdom somebody and
Speaker 1: I see it as wisdom. I go, wow, where have
Speaker 1: you been all my life? I mean I'm literally saying
Speaker 1: this to somebody else there. It could be a man
Speaker 1: or woman. I don't care, like you know all my life.
Speaker 1: And I think this is why I said, Look, we
Speaker 1: are duty about to educate ourselves, and education does not
Speaker 1: necessarily mean you need to read up on everything. Some
Speaker 1: of us are not great. We read it not because
Speaker 1: you can't rery, but because you find it boring. Don't read, watch, listen,
Speaker 1: use audio engaging conversation, but do not do not do
Speaker 1: yourself and the next generation in disservice by not educating
Speaker 1: yourself and by not asking questions. I am going to say, though,
Speaker 1: do you need to read? Oh? You know it's boring.
Speaker 2: Even if it's boring, that's why I wrote what with
Speaker 2: the answers to say. The way it's written is that
Speaker 2: you can read small chunks, yes, and get your But
Speaker 2: I also want it because lack of literacy is a tool.
Speaker 1: I understand, but we also have to recognize. So I'll
Speaker 1: give you an example. My husband can watch anything from
Speaker 1: ag toc. You give him a book, he reads. It's
Speaker 1: not like you can read, but he finds he's not
Speaker 1: as intrereeding as I am. Oh.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he has to be into it,
Speaker 2: saying it needs to be a part of the practice.
Speaker 1: Okay, and I understand that. But we also have to
Speaker 1: make rumor for those who may not be that way
Speaker 1: incline and find ways to turn that writing into other
Speaker 1: mediums that people can't digest. That's what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I think that we are now at the point, especially
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, that we recognize that technology it
Speaker 1: is giving us all of these options. I see now,
Speaker 1: for instance, sometimes on my Instagram feed, I see animation
Speaker 1: being used to tell stories. I think that is brilliant
Speaker 1: because there'll be people who won't sit down and read
Speaker 1: about man Sa Musa, the Riches you know, black Man
Speaker 1: on God's Earth, Richer and elon Mask, but they'll be
Speaker 1: able to learn about him by watching or audible to listen.
Speaker 1: Because everybody has different things. And you know, the reality
Speaker 1: as well, Amanda, is that the way I was as
Speaker 1: a child, it's not who I who I am as
Speaker 1: an adult. As much as I would like to go
Speaker 1: to the things I used to do as a child,
Speaker 1: somehow I would listen. I would not drop a book
Speaker 1: until I finished it. It doesn't matter how late it
Speaker 1: is into the night. I can't afford because I don't
Speaker 1: have the time. I don't have the time as a mom.
Speaker 1: I'dn't have a time as a professional. I'd have a
Speaker 1: time as an act. I just now need to be
Speaker 1: able to There's so many parts of my life that's
Speaker 1: taking different chants that you have to make the time
Speaker 1: to do some things. So how can I How can
Speaker 1: I run and walk at the same time without losing
Speaker 1: the beat, without trying to be a superwoman, because Heaven
Speaker 1: knows I am not a super I'm not a superwoman.
Speaker 1: And girl that you can let you go like you girless.
Speaker 4: Money you Oh, I would.
Speaker 1: I think it's so important for us to understand our strengths,
Speaker 1: our weaknesses, make room to improve ourselves as much as
Speaker 1: where we need to fight the common enemy. And also
Speaker 1: not be afraid, not be afraid to be afraid, not
Speaker 1: be afraid to be anxious, but do like you said, Amanda,
Speaker 1: put a timer on that fear and then anxiety. It's true.
Speaker 2: I mean I saw with someone in here say that
Speaker 2: ADHD makes it hard to read Listen, I can only
Speaker 2: read three pages at a time.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not. I didn't say it's easy the
Speaker 1: whole book. Yeah, yeah, I didn't say it's easy.
Speaker 2: I read three pages and I'm like, WHOA, Well, gotta
Speaker 2: go do something.
Speaker 1: Now exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, you know, even if it's an
Speaker 2: article or something like, it becomes an exercise that y'all
Speaker 2: have to practice because we're so out of practice. And
Speaker 2: part of our ADHD and our autism is also exacerbated
Speaker 2: by the fact that we really don't take in information
Speaker 2: in that way anymore, like you know, like we we
Speaker 2: actually our anxiety gets triggered by having to focus because
Speaker 2: we don't even like our chemicals are are shifted in
Speaker 2: how we yep entertain how we engage with things. But
Speaker 2: I did have I did have a question. Someone asked
Speaker 2: a question before we go, because I do have to
Speaker 2: go to Baltimore. Someone said, what, oh, I guess I
Speaker 2: didn't start well, basically, someone asked like, well, what are
Speaker 2: your suggestions for people who can't leave the country, And
Speaker 2: whether you're in England or the US, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: it's the same, but I'm curious your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So when you say you can't leave the
Speaker 1: country almost suggests that you want to.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, well, yeah, like how I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I really believe that we are reaching an inflection point
Speaker 2: and if you are anti Zionists, it will become criminal
Speaker 2: for you to exist here, and it will become incredibly
Speaker 2: dangerous for you to exist here. And if you are
Speaker 2: not able to immigrate, to immigrate somewhere else, then what
Speaker 2: do you do?
Speaker 1: Okay? I think there's two things here. There are some
Speaker 1: countries that you can get citizenship, you know from I
Speaker 1: think they are ways to it. I don't know. Yah,
Speaker 1: I've heard and people become citizens money money states. No
Speaker 1: one has money exactly. Okay, So my thing would be this,
Speaker 1: if we're perfectly honest, my thing would be this, unless
Speaker 1: you choose to go work and live somewhere and get
Speaker 1: a working visas, or you can just be out of
Speaker 1: the country. The reality is this that we cannot afford
Speaker 1: to leave our countries in the hands of this people,
Speaker 1: because then nothing will change. I'm not asking you to
Speaker 1: sacrifice your life or I am saying that. I think
Speaker 1: if you're staying and you are there, you have to
Speaker 1: prepared for some of the worst things. I don't want
Speaker 1: you to lose your life. I think that now is
Speaker 1: the time for you to start your preparation. So you
Speaker 1: do want to leave, and you're able to get a
Speaker 1: working visa somewhere else, fine if you do. If you
Speaker 1: have no choice but to stay, then you need to
Speaker 1: start to arm yourself with knowledge, arm yourself with the
Speaker 1: right circles, arm yourself with power. And that power stops,
Speaker 1: not stop, but starts with how you engage in your community,
Speaker 1: in your society. Don't live it to other people to
Speaker 1: do so. It doesn't matter if you're from a small
Speaker 1: town in Minnesota, which Trump was just saying about, you know, Surmalians.
Speaker 1: If there's nothing that exists, create it. Start to create
Speaker 1: a subset community of people that you can recognize, who
Speaker 1: are like, Okay, this is who you can go to
Speaker 1: for legal, for accounting, for this. You need to have
Speaker 1: a circle of people around you that you can trust.
Speaker 1: And then when I say trust, I don't mean oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm giving you my life. That's not what
Speaker 1: I mean. I mean people who are like minded, people
Speaker 1: who you know are also engaged and knowledgeable in things
Speaker 1: that you are non knowledgeable and engaged on So start
Speaker 1: to widen your circle. And can I just say to you,
Speaker 1: Let me just say to you people that it is
Speaker 1: important for you not to limit yourself. It's bad enough
Speaker 1: that they've limited you by their perception. So you could
Speaker 1: be black, brown, you can be Muslim. You could be
Speaker 1: part of a marginalized group that is already limited by
Speaker 1: the perception of those in power. Remove that limitation from
Speaker 1: your mind and broaden your horizon. Start to making new friends.
Speaker 1: Start to understand things you did not understand. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this as I've grown older. I recently turned fifty.
Speaker 1: I know I don't look at but we do try'd
Speaker 1: bed But one of the things I've learned in my
Speaker 1: own journey is to unpick my learning. People, it will
Speaker 1: shock you how much I have that I did not
Speaker 1: realize I had internalized from white supremacy, from ignorance, from
Speaker 1: things I was exposed to as a child, or you know,
Speaker 1: or growing up as a teenager, or because I just
Speaker 1: never made the time, which is why it took the
Speaker 1: last two years for me to unpick my learning about
Speaker 1: things that I took for granted. Okay, whether it's about Zionism,
Speaker 1: I lived in a world. Let me just tell you.
Speaker 1: I lived in the world at my grand age of
Speaker 1: forty eight when October seventh happened. I lived in a
Speaker 1: world where I thought God overcomes evil. Eventually, the right
Speaker 1: thing will happened, we have the right people. Only for
Speaker 1: all of that to come crashing down around my ears,
Speaker 1: I know I need to go. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: times that I almost take a pillow and I want
Speaker 1: to stream into it. I my remote control at the
Speaker 1: TV screen. But the only reason stopping me is because
Speaker 1: there's a cost of living crisis. And I counted for
Speaker 1: to buy world. So you know, you know, you end
Speaker 1: up just managing your own expectations. I'm like, where have
Speaker 1: I been living? What have I been doing? I thought
Speaker 1: I was making you know, I thought I was making impact.
Speaker 1: How could I possibly have been making any kind of
Speaker 1: impact if I didn't even know about ABC. I remember recently,
Speaker 1: I think it was this year that there was a
Speaker 1: documentary Channel four, which is a British channel, and they
Speaker 1: talked about This documentary was about the UH about the
Speaker 1: far rights against Asian people, against Bangladeshi Pakistani people in Britain.
Speaker 1: Amanda the focus of this documentary was about the murder
Speaker 1: of some of some of these Asian people in Britain.
Speaker 1: By the time I finished watching it, I was I was.
Speaker 1: I gaped at my own ignorance. I was ashamed that
Speaker 1: I never heard these Asian brothers were murdered by these
Speaker 1: far right people. I had never heard about it. I
Speaker 1: was so mad at myself that documentary. Yeah, but this
Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about. I have a duty to
Speaker 1: go learn about what I don't. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what I don't know. That's how bad it is. Do
Speaker 1: you know? The media is used to raised history. The
Speaker 1: media is used to dictate to us what we should know,
Speaker 1: what we should care about. I've studied questioning every media
Speaker 1: source that I have because I'm like, why are you
Speaker 1: telling me about this, but you're not telling me about that?
Speaker 1: Because of course I have broadened where I get my
Speaker 1: sources from, and so by thinking this is what I
Speaker 1: tell my kids. I've got three daughters and they're here
Speaker 1: in this house. Because my husband probably disagrees with fifty
Speaker 1: percent of my of my political views. I mean, we
Speaker 1: are centered on all the right things, but he would
Speaker 1: say things like when there was Brexit, he was like
Speaker 1: Brexton's gonna happen. I'm like, why would Brexa happen? This
Speaker 1: is me. I'm on the front line of marches. I'm
Speaker 1: speaking at rallies, speaking out against Brestain and I come
Speaker 1: on and my husband's like, Brexit's gonna happen. You need
Speaker 1: to read the room. These people are not listening up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, y what And he turned out to be right.
Speaker 1: Then there was the whole Trump and Hillary Clinton election.
Speaker 1: I'm like, nobody in the right mind will vote for Trump. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. He just looks at me and went,
Speaker 1: Trump is going to with how can you? And here
Speaker 1: I am out in protest. I was one of the
Speaker 1: you know, co organizers and women's mouth, Papa, you know
Speaker 1: you can't do. And my husband turned out to write
Speaker 1: to be right. You know what my daughter said to me.
Speaker 1: Let me tell what my daughter has said to me.
Speaker 1: They said, mommy, you're very passionate. That's very good. But
Speaker 1: daddy was right because he was right. I am living
Speaker 1: in a I'm living in a bubble where I think
Speaker 1: goode must overcome evil. These people must see what's on.
Speaker 1: And these people are not on the same wavelength as me.
Speaker 1: The same people who voted for Tromp and now especially
Speaker 1: the marginalized people like some of the Latinas and some
Speaker 1: of the black people that voted for him, I can
Speaker 1: now see that his policies are directly affecting them. I'm like,
Speaker 1: where you comatos, when we told you that that's what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. What is wrong with you people? So
Speaker 1: I am now learning that, Okay, Sela, you need to
Speaker 1: take a different because my husband always says to me,
Speaker 1: listen the rate you're going, you're gonna have a high
Speaker 1: blood pressure. I need you to I need you to
Speaker 1: be around for a long term, so you can't possibly
Speaker 1: be angry by everything. So now I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 1: go back to that two thousand and six I go
Speaker 1: he said this, Okay, let me just start to Let
Speaker 1: let me just understand that I am not people. Some
Speaker 1: people and I are not on the same wavelength. So
Speaker 1: it has to be the point that I am not
Speaker 1: going to lose hope because there are people out there
Speaker 1: who don't think like me, which is why the last
Speaker 1: general election here in the UK, people like, we only
Speaker 1: have two choices, you either go labor or conservative. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you have two choices. I have free I have Labor
Speaker 1: Tory and everybody else that is in Labor or Torri
Speaker 1: and I'm going to go with anybody else that's well,
Speaker 1: it not telling me I don't have choices. I do
Speaker 1: have choices. And this is what I'm saying that we
Speaker 1: need to start to defy the start of school. We
Speaker 1: need to start to say, you know, stop coming up
Speaker 1: with excuses why you shouldn't do the very thing that
Speaker 1: will change the start of school. And that's where I'm
Speaker 1: at because I'm like, I will not be responsible for
Speaker 1: your choice in pig Kistoma when you can already see
Speaker 1: Kisama is a truth fashline political prostitute. I Am not
Speaker 1: going to be responsible for you to go and vote
Speaker 1: for Trump or some people's case Kamala Harris. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: m to me, she's showing a true college. I do
Speaker 1: not see a difference between genocidal Trump and genocidal Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: If she's suddenly just gonna keep you know, harving Israel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people don't want to listen. Oh no, we can't vote
Speaker 1: for the Green Party. Well come up with a viable alternative.
Speaker 1: Stop acting like the Republicans and Democrats are your only
Speaker 1: choices to Democrats are controlled opposition. But no, But here's
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 2: I used to really feel like voting was a necessary tool,
Speaker 2: and I feel more and more that voting ends up
Speaker 2: being an uh. I feel more and more, particularly in
Speaker 2: the United States, that voting.
Speaker 1: Is somewhat of a.
Speaker 2: Demonstration of the populace that they still believe in the government.
Speaker 1: And well in people power. I see the other way,
Speaker 1: rather than believing government, but that you believe No, Well,
Speaker 1: listen to what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that the the But in this country, the
Speaker 2: government does not respond to people power.
Speaker 1: So even though people get elected, that doesn't end up being.
Speaker 2: An indication that the desires of the people are going
Speaker 2: to be met by who they have represent Who they
Speaker 2: are is representative, I mean, and that's been studied and proven.
Speaker 1: They just do whatever they want.
Speaker 2: So I think at this point there does end up
Speaker 2: being a very aligned attachment between voting as a actual
Speaker 2: in the United States specifically, I can't speak about anywhere else.
Speaker 2: I can only speak about here because that's what I
Speaker 2: know that here, voting has become a way for the
Speaker 2: government to determine how much.
Speaker 1: Faith the populace has in them.
Speaker 2: That is a fact, like there we already see by
Speaker 2: pattern recognition that they are not governing based on the people.
Speaker 2: They use it as a benchmark every two years to
Speaker 2: basically determine how much they have to repress or suppress.
Speaker 2: So at one point in time, when people would say
Speaker 2: we need to hold the vote, I was like, that
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense because there isn't anything alternative. Whereas at
Speaker 2: this point, I would say, holding the vote becomes an
Speaker 2: act of resistance because it is a show of a
Speaker 2: lack of faith in the establishment, and that is their fear.
Speaker 1: And you see, that's what else slightly I would disagree
Speaker 1: with you on because my fear now, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you had said this to me when I was in
Speaker 1: my thirties, does a yaa. But now I'm like, holding
Speaker 1: the vote it means not participating actually make a change
Speaker 1: and can change with the VET. But you can't make
Speaker 1: a change with what you're voting for, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So so I can you and I can agree on this.
Speaker 1: You cannot make a change if the options available to
Speaker 1: you are tools that are I think you can. So
Speaker 1: let me know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that there is no version of
Speaker 2: the United States government that will provide the current capitalist
Speaker 2: United States government that will provide you tools to make
Speaker 2: it change so and doesn't matter who you plug into it, right,
Speaker 2: it does not, It can't. It's literally like trying to
Speaker 2: put a square peg in a circle.
Speaker 1: And I see what you're saying, but I think, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'll tell you this. I see what
Speaker 1: you're saying, and I think, to some extent I kind
Speaker 1: of agree, except where I see that something like Mamdanny's
Speaker 1: win kind of let me tell you what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what I'm thinking. I know you're
Speaker 1: shaking your head. Just hold up a second, zoramm Danny
Speaker 1: came from way out of the field, right. It started
Speaker 1: off with one percent or something, right, he would not
Speaker 1: have even been in the vision of of real opposition.
Speaker 1: And I think that not only was he seeing the writings,
Speaker 1: but he gave the He presented himself as being on
Speaker 1: the very issues that people wanted to address. And watch
Speaker 1: how people power shifted in taking his one percent to
Speaker 1: over fifty percent. That is where I think people power.
Speaker 1: Then what oh no, and then what we'll see from January.
Speaker 2: We will see see from January, we're already seeing he's
Speaker 2: already doing. So what I'm saying is that even though
Speaker 2: that's an example, you just named one mayoral race in
Speaker 2: an entire country. Yes, that's an anomaly, that's.
Speaker 1: Not least the exception. Absolutely absolutely, But I think part
Speaker 1: of the problem as well as we They are probably
Speaker 1: lots of a good few more Zora Man Danny's out there.
Speaker 1: We don't even know that Dora Mam Danny is Zorah Man.
Speaker 1: But when I say Zora Mam Danny, let's just use
Speaker 1: it metaphorically as somebody that can gana people's support and
Speaker 1: and be on the issues that people care about.
Speaker 2: No warring Zionism and theism. We listen, Sola, the framework
Speaker 2: is embedded in Zionism.
Speaker 1: So I don't agree with you.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree in the United States that we end
Speaker 2: up talking about Like here in the US, everyone ends
Speaker 2: up talking about MEGA, which I get right because MEGA
Speaker 2: is very powerful and they're very impactful. However, they consistently
Speaker 2: disassociate that MEGA and Democrats are both on the same
Speaker 2: page with Zionism.
Speaker 1: And I'm hearing you, but you're not hearing me. I'm
Speaker 1: saying that in look at how zion Is disagree with you? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: good here I disagree or that's what I live here.
Speaker 2: So I'm telling you that somebody here I'm using it.
Speaker 2: Not just as the United States. I'm also using it,
Speaker 2: but I have completely I have I have said that
Speaker 2: I'm only couching this in the United States.
Speaker 1: I can't start anywhere else. What I'm trying to say
Speaker 1: here is I'm not ignoring scientists. Is she frozen or
Speaker 1: is it me? Am I frozen? Or she frozen?
Speaker 2: Is she frozen or am my frozen? Damn well, she'll
Speaker 2: come back. Someone said, let's hear her point of view.
Speaker 2: We did hear her point of view.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is people power.
Speaker 2: Becomes something different if it's powering.
Speaker 1: Oh you're and FROs Okay, what were you saying? Ok okay,
Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to say is this, I'm not
Speaker 1: ignoring Zionist. If I'm not igloring Baga, I'm not ignoring
Speaker 1: any of those powers. I'm using Ma'm Danny as an
Speaker 1: example where all of these powerful systems and forces could
Speaker 1: not stop power from changing the outcome. Now, whether or
Speaker 1: not Zora Mam Daddy ends up being like the system,
Speaker 1: or you know, successfully fights a system. We will see
Speaker 1: or maybe we're still seeing. It doesn't change the fact
Speaker 1: that in the face of the powerful, all of the
Speaker 1: horrible things they did against him, that people power went
Speaker 1: f you, We're still going to vote for him. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm pointing out. So I'm not even talking about
Speaker 1: Zora mam Daddy's character or him as a person. No,
Speaker 1: I'm really just talking about people power.
Speaker 2: And what I'm saying is that what happens in this
Speaker 2: nation is that we are giving crumbs of exception that
Speaker 2: we then name as the rule, and it continues to
Speaker 2: tie us to practices that don't actually help us. So
Speaker 2: one Zoora Mamdani, for me, cannot be considered a rule
Speaker 2: of possibility when it really doesn't match up with the
Speaker 2: realm of reality.
Speaker 1: And that realm says.
Speaker 2: That even though he did get elected by the people,
Speaker 2: which is a beautiful thing, we are still seeing the
Speaker 2: Zionist rule and we saw it start to happen during
Speaker 2: that process. And furthermore, I am now in the United
Speaker 2: States as someone who was a staunch voter, like staunch proud,
Speaker 2: like the dynamics made sense, I will say dynamic shift,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's like something that made like when
Speaker 2: we say we vote because people died for it in
Speaker 2: the sixties, Yes, And then those same people will tell
Speaker 2: you that after they died for it and got the
Speaker 2: right to vote and thought that it was going to
Speaker 2: shift the culture of this nation, it didn't, and it
Speaker 2: made them lose faith in the actual establishment that they
Speaker 2: were working so hard to be a part of. So
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is that in this time, I'm having
Speaker 2: a revelation around voting because so many of us see
Speaker 2: voting as participatory and thus a necessity, because it demonstrates
Speaker 2: that we're here.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a proof of life. And I
Speaker 1: never would.
Speaker 2: Have considered not voting protests until I began to understand
Speaker 2: that the establishment sees our vote as a way to
Speaker 2: keep us.
Speaker 1: Passive.
Speaker 2: It presents it to us as our greatest tool. Here
Speaker 2: in the United States, they present voting as our greatest tool.
Speaker 1: They did the same in the UK, absolutely, but were.
Speaker 2: Making us feel like, well, then I guess we don't
Speaker 2: have to resist. I guess we don't have to form
Speaker 2: our own communities because we're going to do our work
Speaker 2: in the vote and.
Speaker 1: The point is how we use that vote and how
Speaker 1: that vote is then weaponized against us. And this is
Speaker 1: where I have the issue, because everything you're saying about
Speaker 1: how the system works and establishment, I see our hand
Speaker 1: in it. I see our hands. So if I use
Speaker 1: Britain as an example, and maybe it can you translate
Speaker 1: to America, I see a hand in how we elect
Speaker 1: our members of parliament. Every member of parliament you elect
Speaker 1: becomes your representative in Parliament, right in the House of Parliament.
Speaker 1: And what then happens is if you exercise your vote
Speaker 1: to voting a bad person, you know, somebody you know
Speaker 1: that is deeply problematic on issues that may not necessarily
Speaker 1: impact you but impacts other people. You're part of the problem.
Speaker 1: You're part of creating that establishment. And I've witnessed that
Speaker 1: in the way I've observed you as politics, in the
Speaker 1: way people justify who they vote for and how they
Speaker 1: defend it. And I'm saying, how can you not see
Speaker 1: all this? And they come up with, you know, the
Speaker 1: lesser of to evils. I'm like, this lesser of to
Speaker 1: evils is still evil. The problem is you are not
Speaker 1: presenting yourself with an alternative, and even if an alternative comes,
Speaker 1: you then convince yourself that you can't go with the
Speaker 1: alternative because the alternative isn't powerful enough. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you do understand that the only reason the Republicans and
Speaker 1: Democrats are powerful in the state, the Conservatives and the
Speaker 1: Labor Party are powerful in Britain is because you keep
Speaker 1: voting for them. If once, if just for once, the
Speaker 1: majority of the populace decided to take their votes away
Speaker 1: from these people. Take your votes away from them. There's
Speaker 1: jack or they can do about it. Give it to
Speaker 1: somebody else, Try somebody else, even if it's even if
Speaker 1: it looks impossible, even if it looks like they only
Speaker 1: have one percent, even if it looks at well, they
Speaker 1: don't have enough senators enough Robbins, stop that bullshit, Stop
Speaker 1: all those excuses that they fed into your head, and
Speaker 1: just go a different route.
Speaker 2: So here's where I have to challenge you on this,
Speaker 2: because you're speaking about voting as if it is done fairly,
Speaker 2: as and it's not right like we're speaking about this
Speaker 2: in the context of there being some actual.
Speaker 1: Like legitimacy to voting.
Speaker 2: And I can tell you for a fact, the United
Speaker 2: States has has destabilized, has infiltrated has affected every not every,
Speaker 2: but one hundred and sixty one of the one hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty three countries in the UN.
Speaker 1: It has had a hand in one of their elections
Speaker 1: or another.
Speaker 2: Yes, so, and knowing that we have to trust that
Speaker 2: if they're doing it everywhere else, they practice it here first.
Speaker 1: So I say that to say, let me post this thing.
Speaker 1: Did I bring it up? So? Like right now, right,
Speaker 1: You've got this thing happening.
Speaker 2: In uh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 2: I'm bringing this up right.
Speaker 1: No, okay, this is going on in uh New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Of course, my phone just freaking died, Okay. So basically,
Speaker 2: right now, they are bringing Zionism down to the local level.
Speaker 1: Yep. So they are meeting with the mayors of cities
Speaker 1: across the nation.
Speaker 2: And you're right, this is a response to Iran, without question, right,
Speaker 2: this is absolutely your response is Iran. They are coming,
Speaker 2: they are bringing down They are coming together with mayors
Speaker 2: across the nation to now influence them to create legislation
Speaker 2: that criminalizes anti Semitic language there. And they're starting with
Speaker 2: a black mayor one of the blackest cities in the world, New.
Speaker 1: Orleans, probably as no doubt, no doubt. Probably.
Speaker 2: So when I see that, I say, okay, so this
Speaker 2: lets us know that any election, well Louisiana politics dollar
Speaker 2: has been sketchy anyway, but any election.
Speaker 1: With Zion is involved, we know it's not above board.
Speaker 1: It's not above board, it's not Listen, we have to
Speaker 1: recognize that these obstacles exist, These power systems, this forces
Speaker 1: exist because they're the status squall and they're and you know,
Speaker 1: they're the goliath to our David. But we cannot say
Speaker 1: that because of that goliath. So, for instance, uh, in
Speaker 1: the in the UK, we got what they call first
Speaker 1: past supposed right, which is deeply problematic in how our
Speaker 1: political parties win the elections. It's almost similar to you
Speaker 1: guys with your electoralcologies and blah blah blah, because it's
Speaker 1: not how many people voted that ends up being a
Speaker 1: persuasive win. It is it is this stuff, and we
Speaker 1: need to get rid of this. First part, Suppose I
Speaker 1: am saying that, regardless of how huge, powerful and forceful
Speaker 1: Goliath is should not stop our David from throwing that
Speaker 1: freaking stone, from throwing the stone. I'm saying that he
Speaker 1: has to change the stone. That's all I'm saying the stone,
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm with you. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: At this point. The bulletin, at this point, the bulletin
Speaker 1: is not a stone. The voting is a cotton ball.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm whether it is voting or any other
Speaker 1: but we need to still throw that stone whatever, whatever
Speaker 1: however that stone might manifest, it needs to be done.
Speaker 1: It must be done or else nothing will.
Speaker 2: I'm saying is that we have to innovate the way
Speaker 2: that we are operating because it isn't working right because
Speaker 2: if we've been doing that, innovator the way we're operating,
Speaker 2: we have to birth a new method.
Speaker 1: Like you said, watch the innovation of this powerful forces
Speaker 1: the way this is. So this is my thing. I
Speaker 1: feel like if the if the force.
Speaker 2: Okay, so remember you were saying like they are David, right,
Speaker 2: so we have the David please sorry, they're gLing, they're Goliath.
Speaker 1: So okay. You know when you see a moving.
Speaker 2: Car and there's something on the car that is like
Speaker 2: stopping the car right, like it's preventing it from moving.
Speaker 2: The best way to get that thing off the car
Speaker 2: is to do what tell me, pop.
Speaker 1: Stop.
Speaker 2: If you are driving and there's somebody chasing you, the
Speaker 2: best way to get them.
Speaker 1: To stop is to stop.
Speaker 2: And so what I'm saying is that if we're dealing
Speaker 2: with something that's of a greater force, oh let me
Speaker 2: let me cut this person. Sorry, I have to block
Speaker 2: this person. If we're dealing with a greater force than
Speaker 2: what we can manage with force, then we have the
Speaker 2: judo and we have to use their force against them.
Speaker 1: Who I mean, agreement with you. So for instance, another
Speaker 1: example you just give now about how zonus are going
Speaker 1: to the local level in response to Zorn, we need
Speaker 1: to be working at a freaking local level. We need
Speaker 1: to be way out of a Yeah. So I'm saying
Speaker 1: that the same.
Speaker 2: Like someone else said right here, voting takes five minutes,
Speaker 2: do that and everything else.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to express. What I'm trying to express
Speaker 1: is that our continued.
Speaker 2: Involvement in upholding the establishment with our participation, continues to
Speaker 2: give it breath. Our continued involvement in upholding capitalism in
Speaker 2: the in the traditional way continues to give it breath.
Speaker 2: So you see people who are talking about how do
Speaker 2: we barter? Right, like, I'm trying to do things very
Speaker 2: differently with how I run my merchantile right, because I'm
Speaker 2: trying to undermine the systems. And what I'm saying to
Speaker 2: y'all is I'm just floating the concept of how does
Speaker 2: removal from an establishment cripple that establishment if you are
Speaker 2: the thing that keeps it going.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's all I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. When
Speaker 1: it comes when it comes to things like you know,
Speaker 1: these establishments, you'll removal will not change the establishment because
Speaker 1: it's not what we don't know. We've never tried it. No,
Speaker 1: don't know that. Okay, So okay, it means that you
Speaker 1: are saying different from what I'm saying. I'm saying, vote,
Speaker 1: will vote totally different. Don't vote for these two many politicians.
Speaker 1: You're saying, don't vote at all.
Speaker 2: Because at all I'm saying, I'm at where I'm at
Speaker 2: a point, Shola, where I feel that we should not
Speaker 2: be participating in their system.
Speaker 1: We should have our own system. That system. The only
Speaker 1: way we can change.
Speaker 2: That systems are actually not governed by that system, because
Speaker 2: we can't even control the way we're governed.
Speaker 1: At this point, we are like, no law, Amanda, this
Speaker 1: is what but this is what we must do. Now,
Speaker 1: we must change the way we are governed by. Like
Speaker 1: example I gave you earlier starting with how we elect
Speaker 1: our representatives.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that makes sense because we don't have
Speaker 2: power over how we elect our representatives.
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, So if I don't vote, for instance,
Speaker 1: let's let's say, for instance, let's use Zoran as an example. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and people decided, you know what, it's not going to
Speaker 1: make any difference anyway Cuomo would win or that other
Speaker 1: guy would win, Then Zohn would never have won. Cuomo
Speaker 1: would have won. There would be no way to change.
Speaker 1: One person is person.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, if an entire populace is like, you
Speaker 2: know what, fuck y'all election, and we're going Now, let
Speaker 2: me say this, It's not just that, Like I want
Speaker 2: to make that point too, Like I'm not saying just
Speaker 2: not vote.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is there's at and then and the
Speaker 1: end then is how are we shifting how we are.
Speaker 2: Engaging with those other systems in the same way, right,
Speaker 2: like the systems that those votes control.
Speaker 1: And this is not something that happens like in the
Speaker 1: snap of a finger.
Speaker 2: But what all I'm suggesting is that the methodology of
Speaker 2: voting as an efficable as an efic The methodology of
Speaker 2: voting as an effective tool has yet to be proven
Speaker 2: in a very in a in a long standing and
Speaker 2: real way. Like ultimately Zorn's been elected, but we're still like,
Speaker 2: h he kept Jessica tition position.
Speaker 1: He's don't he wants talking jeffries to be the Speaker
Speaker 1: of the House.
Speaker 2: He he is rolling back his his support of like
Speaker 2: the global intellect, the globalized, the indefata, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Like you have some chick on here who is.
Speaker 2: Like false Amanda, you know, because she's very passionate about
Speaker 2: voting as a tool, And the reality is is that voting.
Speaker 1: As a tool is not It is a tool.
Speaker 2: I do not consider it to be an effective tool
Speaker 2: at this point.
Speaker 1: This is why I'm saying that, Amanda, what we need
Speaker 1: to do is find a way to use to use
Speaker 1: voting as a much more effective tool. We need to
Speaker 1: broaden party. No no, not just a third party, not
Speaker 1: just a third party, but we need to widen our
Speaker 1: breath of real quick.
Speaker 2: Hey, Amy, you got one more fucking comment before I
Speaker 2: remove you from here, because I don't know who the
Speaker 2: hell you think you're talking to.
Speaker 1: You got one more? What does she say? She says,
Speaker 1: in here talking to me like have you door knocked?
Speaker 2: Do you not like the way that y'all be talking
Speaker 2: to me like I'm your little friend. I don't know
Speaker 2: who you think you're talking to. Orlando already removed her
Speaker 2: because white women. That's other things. So like when the
Speaker 2: white girls be talking to me crazy, I'd be like, get.
Speaker 1: Out of here. Okay, what were you saying? I think
Speaker 1: that what we need to do is breadth, is to
Speaker 1: widen our breath of Let me just use the world fighters. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be something I can bring to the table
Speaker 1: in this whole voting and how we use voting that
Speaker 1: other people and other people can bring different things. What
Speaker 1: we are missing, I think is that skill set, the
Speaker 1: knowledge and the you know, a way to bring all
Speaker 1: that harness, all that enabled to be able to in
Speaker 1: order to be able to then change the establishment, change
Speaker 1: how voting can be used to can tell me do this?
Speaker 1: This have to be a call for that whyn't be cool,
Speaker 1: look it it can be. It could doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be military, whether you call it resistance, a cool whatever.
Speaker 1: It is clear to me and to you that we
Speaker 1: are at an existential point now that literally our lives, liberty,
Speaker 1: and livelihoods are at risk. So if you want use
Speaker 1: the word could resistance, I don't care. Something needs to change,
Speaker 1: that needs to change. We're not I'm definitely not advocating
Speaker 1: or endorsing for blood to shed. We don't need to
Speaker 1: do that, I am. But what I'm endorsing advocating is
Speaker 1: we need to know what we can all bring to
Speaker 1: the table the same way Zionists are now going to infiltrate,
Speaker 1: you know, at the local level. We need to start
Speaker 1: working that local level. We need to understand. Listen, the
Speaker 1: way Amanda you are aware of what they're doing is
Speaker 1: where millions of people are not even aware. So how
Speaker 1: can you start to fight your enemy when you don't
Speaker 1: even understand or know what your enemy is? You can't. No,
Speaker 1: you can't, That's right. I mean, that's why political education.
Speaker 2: That's why I do this show for free, you know, like,
Speaker 2: that's literally why, that's why my book talks.
Speaker 1: Are for free.
Speaker 2: You know, if you can, if you can buy a
Speaker 2: bug grade, If you can't, like, that's really why however,
Speaker 2: and if you can, you're describing and that would educate
Speaker 2: you too. And yes, what you're describing that was reform
Speaker 2: and formal.
Speaker 1: I'm not into the reform. I have several to.
Speaker 2: You are because although you're saying you still want to
Speaker 2: work within the system, you know I don't want the
Speaker 2: guide out.
Speaker 1: I want to change the system. But I also understand
Speaker 1: for me to change the system, sometimes I'm going to
Speaker 1: need somebody's in the system who is like me, who's
Speaker 1: ready to change something and they can't use their also
Speaker 1: build other things outside the system. I'm going to do
Speaker 1: it and I and I had this.
Speaker 2: I used to feel this way, but then I met
Speaker 2: the people in the system, the ones who I thought
Speaker 2: were like that, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: and at the end of the day, it became toxic
Speaker 2: positivity because I'm like, well, these people have not demonstrated
Speaker 2: the revolutionary mindset because they're still having to do a
Speaker 2: dance of power. You have to be willing to go
Speaker 2: in and get kicked out like that, to me, is
Speaker 2: the only real effort.
Speaker 1: But that's because progress takes time. So why it actually
Speaker 1: doesn't take when I say it. When I say it
Speaker 1: takes time, let me land sis let me land. When
Speaker 1: I say it takes time, it's because I am not
Speaker 1: looking for reform. I'm looking for revolution. When I say
Speaker 1: it takes time, I'm talking about finding the people. The people. Yes,
Speaker 1: we have to create the people need to create those things.
Speaker 1: Those people, some of whom you do not know. Some
Speaker 1: of them I don't know. Yes, somewhere in LA right now,
Speaker 1: who is the perfect candidate, perfect candidate, But we don't
Speaker 1: know each other. That is where time comes in and
Speaker 1: the moment all of this bits click boomer. That's the way.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, what does your husband think?
Speaker 1: He probably not even probably what he thinks generally is
Speaker 1: my view, my thoughts. What you and I discuss now
Speaker 1: sounds really good. But he's more of a realist, so
Speaker 1: he would go or do you understand what you're facing?
Speaker 1: And how long? Doubt it because the majority of people
Speaker 1: out there are not only willfully ignorant, so so for.
Speaker 2: Instance that that that's a fact, they.
Speaker 1: Willingly participate in their own demids because all they're looking
Speaker 1: at is somebody else. They're point, they're blaming, blaming other
Speaker 1: people for their problem. They are tools to maintain the
Speaker 1: oppression that establishment, you know, imposes on us. My husband
Speaker 1: is of the mind, he is his own is more
Speaker 1: like you need to you need to pay attention to
Speaker 1: what those people are doing, because you're not talking about voting.
Speaker 1: Most people are probably more than you. They're probably more
Speaker 1: of them who are willing to come out to vote,
Speaker 1: willing to be weaponized as tools. While amongst us here
Speaker 1: we're not even unified. Sometimes we're talking across purposes. We
Speaker 1: can't even get our acts together so that we can
Speaker 1: create a formidable force to create the revolution that we
Speaker 1: want to see, so that we end up working in silos,
Speaker 1: and when one of us gets crushed, there's not writing.
Speaker 1: There's not writing from different podcast. Go let's get them
Speaker 1: back up, Let's get the back of mush, go go down.
Speaker 1: That's it. That is the problem. That's part of them,
Speaker 1: because those on that side don't have that issue. They're
Speaker 1: so unified in their hate and bigotry, in their want
Speaker 1: of other people are the problem because the people on
Speaker 1: top of them, their leeds, keep telling them or you see,
Speaker 1: you see that plate of cookie, just won't cookie. He
Speaker 1: wants to take it from you. One of persons telling
Speaker 1: them that, like have a plate now, the houses full
Speaker 1: of cookies, and they refuse to show so. To me,
Speaker 1: this is part of the problem that those of us
Speaker 1: on this side and say we must do something. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna unify, and monsters like, well, you need to
Speaker 1: be very careful your language. Revolution are you mad? What
Speaker 1: else are you gonna call it? It is a freaking revolution.
Speaker 1: While you're waiting your time. Police told me that people
Speaker 1: who are dying from hunger, starvation, being discriminated against, they
Speaker 1: need a revolution, not freaking reform, because reform it's not
Speaker 1: going to save them. Reforming isn't going to change anything.
Speaker 1: Let me stop there.
Speaker 2: So the last thing I'll say, because I have to go,
Speaker 2: I have to go. Something that was very unique about
Speaker 2: the Black Panthers and also similarly unique about like the
Speaker 2: Zapatistas yep is they understood that they just needed to start.
Speaker 2: They didn't need necessarily everybody. They needed to provide another option, right.
Speaker 1: And and so what I'm suggesting is that that other.
Speaker 2: Option has to be a completely other option, and that's
Speaker 2: not a political party. The other option has to be
Speaker 2: antithetical to the system that continues to oppress us. It
Speaker 2: cannot be, it cannot utilize that system. Which is why
Speaker 2: NGOs in the United States end up becoming so problematic
Speaker 2: because in order for them to operate, they end up
Speaker 2: having to use the actual system that creates the need
Speaker 2: for them.
Speaker 1: Right, you suggested what what would be if it's not
Speaker 1: if it's not a political party, what would it be?
Speaker 2: So like, for instance, the Black Panthers were they became
Speaker 2: they were, they started to become possibly a political party,
Speaker 2: but essentially they were the Black Panther Party for Freedom
Speaker 2: and Revolution, and so they were literally a community organization.
Speaker 2: Hamas also started the same way. By the way, they've
Speaker 2: started as an organized that provided the community with what
Speaker 2: it needed. And it was a very easy way to
Speaker 2: identify what it needed because the government had not provided
Speaker 2: any of those things. So, for instance, we just had
Speaker 2: a brother on earlier for sixty second headlines who talked
Speaker 2: about that he teaches in a school in Atlanta, and
Speaker 2: majority of the kids in his class don't have hygiene
Speaker 2: because they don't have parents that are able to care
Speaker 2: for them the way they need to for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: Right, they are tired, They are.
Speaker 2: Often having to care for their children, for their younger siblings,
Speaker 2: and they all suffer from asthma by nature of smoke
Speaker 2: and having to breathe and smoke. And I could promise
Speaker 2: you people that are smoking around them are people who
Speaker 2: are suffering from stress and anxiety, and that's why they're smoking.
Speaker 2: So you end up providing the necessities that people require
Speaker 2: to be able to live in a comfortable way. The
Speaker 2: United States government, I can't speak for the UK. The
Speaker 2: United States government actively chooses not to require those things
Speaker 2: because they want you to have to depend on the government, right,
Speaker 2: they want that. As much as they try and say
Speaker 2: that's not what they want, their actions demonstrate something else.
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is that we have organizations all
Speaker 2: throughout the United States that do fill these gaps. Right. However,
Speaker 2: there really has to become more formalized methods around this
Speaker 2: that decidedly debunk or disassociate from the way these other
Speaker 2: systems are running. And a lot of that is going
Speaker 2: to have to happen in starting in small towns, because
Speaker 2: in small towns, you know, it was fascinating. I was
Speaker 2: at a baby shower the other day and I live
Speaker 2: in a small town, and I was talking to some
Speaker 2: of the people there. Girl, They're talking about the person
Speaker 2: who controls the water system, like who fixes the water
Speaker 2: tanks by first name, and they're like, oh yeah, and
Speaker 2: he is also the head of the volunteer fire department.
Speaker 1: And it's also et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So you already have these towns that are quote unquote incorporated.
Speaker 2: So in the United States, towns are incorporated. They literally
Speaker 2: have to be a bit business. They operate as a
Speaker 2: business that pays taxes. So there's there's there's these things
Speaker 2: in place, Doctor Shola mass that.
Speaker 1: Must showy mood. You have to say the food insists.
Speaker 1: When did the when did the Shabami mood come into play?
Speaker 1: I feel like you never used to have that. I
Speaker 1: only knew you was Sholams. How are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: That's my name?
Speaker 2: Okay, well I only knew you at Sholams. So doctor
Speaker 2: Sholam Shabami Moon, thank you here are But what you ask,
Speaker 2: basically what I'm illuminating is that first of all, we
Speaker 2: have templates here in the United States just because black
Speaker 2: people were forced to do this, right, So before we
Speaker 2: were even allowed to be a part of the legislative process,
Speaker 2: we had to have and we were segregated.
Speaker 1: We had literally created our own communities. Did they come
Speaker 1: and shut us down?
Speaker 2: Yes, But you over time, like you said, in progress,
Speaker 2: you also learn, right, So it's like, Okay, well we
Speaker 2: didn't have a militarized element before, that's what we.
Speaker 1: Would need to have.
Speaker 2: Like, there's just all I'm stating is that there is
Speaker 2: no version of harm reduction that's gonna happen that's gonna
Speaker 2: change anything. So I want to make that clear. I
Speaker 2: am very much about the fact that it's gonna need blood.
Speaker 2: That's just the way things work.
Speaker 1: But I think what you just said, Amanda is you're
Speaker 1: not coming close to what I would say when I
Speaker 1: said of what we need is to build a coisive
Speaker 1: more uh, you know, a way to harness all of
Speaker 1: these our superpowers. We just don't recognize what these superpowers are.
Speaker 1: That people with skill sets, people in the right position,
Speaker 1: people people like you and I, some of whom are
Speaker 1: probably watching and listening right now, but can't even we
Speaker 1: are not identifying ourselves. We need to work in unity,
Speaker 1: so across in the United States, in all of these
Speaker 1: in different states, you start pulling together locally that then
Speaker 1: you know statewide, and then nationally. The more you pull
Speaker 1: all of these skill sets together, the more powerful you being.
Speaker 1: How you can work how wealth are the zignists and
Speaker 1: white supremacists able to function? It's not because it's not
Speaker 1: because they all watch perfect people. It's because they're working
Speaker 1: one accord for what They're unified on one thing and
Speaker 1: one thing on, which is supremacy. We need to get
Speaker 1: our act together on this side. So whether that's in
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom and the United States, we need to
Speaker 1: start working look gathering those people, like you said with
Speaker 1: the Black Panther meeting. The nature of communities means that
Speaker 1: you end up meeting people, educating, having conversations listed, and
Speaker 1: hearing other people bring skill sets. People are already established
Speaker 1: in different walks of life, and those are the same
Speaker 1: people that you're going to need. I mean, let me
Speaker 1: use on Mama. Yeah, but I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that I don't consider voting to be
Speaker 2: I consider that needing to happen as a complete turning
Speaker 2: their back to a system.
Speaker 1: And there has to be that, and it has to
Speaker 1: happen system, Amanda, that system that becomes a viable alternative
Speaker 1: that you want to discuss, that that you want to happen.
Speaker 1: I think that in that progress to getting there, these
Speaker 1: communities of people who will then start connecting the dots
Speaker 1: must have to make that what's going must that to
Speaker 1: hit the establishment until we've created that alternative system. Hit it. No,
Speaker 1: no no. When we say hit it, and I mean
Speaker 1: right now, I could vote for somebody and have no
Speaker 1: power in what happens and who that person is or
Speaker 1: how they will function. My point is the more there
Speaker 1: are people like us, and we are growing people. So
Speaker 1: there could be another zona, ma'm danny out there. I'm
Speaker 1: only using him as an example, only as an example,
Speaker 1: not because he's perfect, just as an example. Okay, there
Speaker 1: could be another zona, ma'm danny out there, who does
Speaker 1: not have the resource, who doesn't have the way to
Speaker 1: go together.
Speaker 2: Let there be another zono, mamm Danny, is what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say. So they won't let there be.
Speaker 1: That is why we must fight that. And we have
Speaker 1: more people like us in this establishment as we build
Speaker 1: the alternative you're talking about, we need to have more
Speaker 1: people like us. People like us don't go into establishment.
Speaker 2: I don't have any business in establishment because I'm ineffective
Speaker 2: in an establishment.
Speaker 1: But the establishment is what governs the food on your table,
Speaker 1: the clothes in your back, on the roof of It
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be. It
Speaker 1: does Why it does it is because it does it,
Speaker 1: but it does so for instance, No, that's because we
Speaker 1: keep empowering it.
Speaker 2: And I don't want us to keep empowering empowering it
Speaker 2: because right now, as an example for the next I
Speaker 2: mean once your next general election twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Eight or something. Right, well, we have mid terms next year, Okay,
Speaker 1: you have me terms as all go to change your president. Also,
Speaker 1: president is the least important part of all of this,
Speaker 1: I understand. My point is this, whether until you have
Speaker 1: your mid terms, until you have your next general election,
Speaker 1: we are governed by the establishment, as is correct, So
Speaker 1: we need to start building. Just like designersts are going
Speaker 1: to the local level and trying to recruit mayors and
Speaker 1: all of that, we need to start recruiting the mayors
Speaker 1: and people are representative from council level to any other level.
Speaker 1: That's what we need to be doing because until this
Speaker 1: whole I don't agree.
Speaker 2: I don't agree with you, because designers control the system.
Speaker 2: So you're trying to get you're trying to you're trying
Speaker 2: to put people into a system that is controlled by.
Speaker 1: A bigger force.
Speaker 2: So the only way to dismantle that system is to
Speaker 2: find its weakness and to also not keep giving it fuel.
Speaker 1: And that's the way. So we're gonna agree to disagree
Speaker 1: when when we're going to agree to disagree. Because when
Speaker 1: you find a weakness, when you do find a weakness
Speaker 1: in the establishment, you need people who are brave enough
Speaker 1: while you're still trying to bring this alternative thing, who
Speaker 1: are going to shed the lights, who are going to
Speaker 1: strike the match that will set fire. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: if it's a tiny fire, it doesn't matter if it's
Speaker 1: a small pebble or small stone. The deity that comes
Speaker 1: throw that into into the head forehead of the goliath.
Speaker 1: You still need them until this system you're talking about
Speaker 1: comes to pass. You still want to see that word? Sorry,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen that work? I have not. Every
Speaker 1: time there's been a start of something. Look at Africa
Speaker 1: as a continent, America goes in and kills them. And
Speaker 1: one of the reasons America has been successful in toppling
Speaker 1: foreign governments and you know, Invaity and this stuff is
Speaker 1: because half the time the Africans there don't even understand
Speaker 1: what is happening exactly, and then they weaponize other Africans
Speaker 1: there who are only interested in their self interest to
Speaker 1: kill the Patrick Lumumba and other people. This is how
Speaker 1: we change things by educating each other, by stating not
Speaker 1: just information gathering, people gathering, come here, you need to
Speaker 1: be educated. This is what they've done to your people.
Speaker 1: This is what they're doing to us. We need to change.
Speaker 2: We need to start doing that effectively. That's what I'm
Speaker 2: saying education. But that's what we do here on this show.
Speaker 2: We have to build a populace that actually looks at
Speaker 2: the establishment until unless there is unless there is an
Speaker 2: establishment that actually gives a damn about the populace.
Speaker 1: You have to build a populace that actually gives a damn.
Speaker 2: About the populace. And we do not have that here
Speaker 2: in the United States. Our populace treats the government like
Speaker 2: celebrity saviors. And so I see people in the chat
Speaker 2: who are like, well, this is you know where we
Speaker 2: are right now. So we just have to deal with
Speaker 2: where we are right now. That is what has been
Speaker 2: being said forever. We just have to deal with whatever
Speaker 2: we are now. Words quite honestly, a very self centered mindset.
Speaker 2: And the truth is is that a lot of y'all
Speaker 2: are not gonna die for shit.
Speaker 1: So when when when? And when Shola, when doctor Sla.
Speaker 2: Big mamou Is Babimo is saying, you know, we need
Speaker 2: people with a light, I'm gonna tell you I disagree.
Speaker 2: I think it's that you need people with a light
Speaker 2: and who are willing to go out for this. And
Speaker 2: it's the same thing whether it's death or whether it's
Speaker 2: career or death. If we had a if we had
Speaker 2: people willing to go into government and turn up and
Speaker 2: get kicked out, this would have been not a problem.
Speaker 2: The problem is that we get people like Jasmin Kraft
Speaker 2: is a great example, who go in, they have a
Speaker 2: spark about them, they have a desire to really shake
Speaker 2: shit up. But then they get enamored with access, they
Speaker 2: get enamored with being that girl, they get enamored with
Speaker 2: the with the thought process that maybe I can change things,
Speaker 2: and so their mission shifts and they become a part
Speaker 2: of the establishment versus as just the wrench thrown in
Speaker 2: to mess it up.
Speaker 1: And until we have people willing to.
Speaker 2: Not only do that, but a community to catch them
Speaker 2: when they come out and know that they don't have
Speaker 2: to still be a part of the because that's the
Speaker 2: other part if the community outside, it's still tethered to
Speaker 2: that establishment. Then then when that person falls out, they're
Speaker 2: still not able to find their way. This is what
Speaker 2: happens with prison. People go into prison. They should be
Speaker 2: able to do their time and come back to society
Speaker 2: and live.
Speaker 1: They can't. Society has completely walls up not able to
Speaker 1: help them.
Speaker 2: So all I'm suggesting is that we have to take
Speaker 2: a very pragmatic look at what destabilizing really is and
Speaker 2: understanding that it is going to destabilize not only the
Speaker 2: system but us for a time. And that destabilization is
Speaker 2: what gets people saying, well, let's just still do this
Speaker 2: little part because it feels crazy to change a methodology
Speaker 2: that has been ingrained in us.
Speaker 1: And with that, please tell people about the book. All right,
Speaker 1: give med my book. This is why I resist, Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: So this is why I resist. Is my conversation about
Speaker 1: the real issues we face, about the way our identity
Speaker 1: as black people is constantly malign marginalized, commoditized, and criminalized.
Speaker 1: This is me saying I could not give a rap sauce.
Speaker 1: This is me saying, every single time you bring this
Speaker 1: to me, this is what I'm going to do to you.
Speaker 1: This is me saying, like I will stand in the
Speaker 1: roots to you know, to the root of my gore.
Speaker 1: In fact, at the beginning, if I may just read
Speaker 1: something quickly that that I felt, I kind of like,
Speaker 1: I felt like this kind of encapsulates where where I
Speaker 1: am and here I go. I stand on the shoulders
Speaker 1: of greatness as my ancestors before me. I will not
Speaker 1: be silenced. I will not be silent. If you come
Speaker 1: for me, I will come for you. This is why
Speaker 1: I resist. That's I mean. It pretty much sums up
Speaker 1: my where I am at in the way that I
Speaker 1: view and I've observed, and I intend to fight what
Speaker 1: is clearly a concerted effort to continually, you know, destroy
Speaker 1: black people and the way that our identity is weaponized
Speaker 1: against us. I don't have time for that, BS. I
Speaker 1: want to be able to say, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: earlier I talked about what it is to be black
Speaker 1: in Britain, and I want to be able to say
Speaker 1: I am this. I am African from the roots of
Speaker 1: my hair to the soles of my feet. People don't
Speaker 1: get it wrong, and yes I'm British, but don't tell
Speaker 1: me how I should be British, same way nobody should
Speaker 1: tell you how you should be American and were native
Speaker 1: how American and you know wherever else you you know
Speaker 1: your heritage is. Then it's all I'm sick and tired
Speaker 1: of the women that we are constantly, constantly addressed. And
Speaker 1: that's what this book does. It touches on political activism.
Speaker 1: It touches definitely on our identity as as women, and
Speaker 1: especially when you think about how feminism. You know, feminism
Speaker 1: is often weaponized against us when you include us. Right,
Speaker 1: So I talk all this and using personal anecdotes as well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying list said, people, you come from me,
Speaker 1: I will come for you. I don't have time, I
Speaker 1: do not come to me. I'm ready for the fight,
Speaker 1: and you hear it in my voice. I am ready
Speaker 1: for the part because I've seen too many people be
Speaker 1: persecuted just because they're different, and I'm not going to.
Speaker 2: Have it all right, y'all, that's another book club book.
Speaker 2: They started a whole book club. Didn't even tell me,
Speaker 2: thank you Sheila so much for joining us, and probably
Speaker 2: all got a whole treat right there, because that was
Speaker 2: a solid two hours.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, god, we were having a party. We're
Speaker 1: having fun. We agreed, we disagreed, it's all good. Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me in Amandoland. Yes, that was a
Speaker 1: treat y'all. That was a treat not banion.
Speaker 2: H