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Speaker 1: Imagine for a second that a brand new hip hop

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track drops, okay, just you know, in a studio somewhere

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in Brooklyn, right way to night, exactly late night. The

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energy is high, the producer lays down that perfect heavy base,

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that hook that just sort of grabs you by the throat,

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and within hours or even minutes, really, yeah, that track

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isn't just in New York anymore. It's it's blasting out

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of car speakers in.

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Speaker 2: Tokyo, being remixed in a basement club in London.

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Speaker 1: Right It's streaming on a smartphone in Cape Town before

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it's even really had a chance to know fully circulate

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in Manhattan.

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Speaker 2: It is the it's the quintessential twenty first century phenomenon,

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what we call the global village.

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Speaker 1: The global village.

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Speaker 2: We are living in this really unique time in human

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history where transportation and communication have effectively shrunk the.

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Speaker 1: Planet down to the size of a single neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, and we just sort of assumed that this level

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of interconnection.

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Speaker 1: Where products and ideas flow instantly.

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Speaker 2: Right across, we assume that's entirely unique to our modern

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digital age.

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Speaker 1: We do. We look at our smartphones and you know,

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our fiber optic cables, jumbo jets, jumbo jets. Yeah, and

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we kind of pat ourselves on the back.

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Speaker 2: A bit of modern arrogance, maybe a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: We think we're the first civilization to really get global connectivity.

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Speaker 2: We think we invented the concept of a small world.

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Speaker 1: But and this is the massive butt that we are

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tackling today for you guys listening, is.

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Speaker 2: A big one.

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Speaker 1: What if we aren't the first?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what if this global village isn't a new construction

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at all?

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Speaker 1: What if it's just a renovation.

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Speaker 2: A renovation of something that existed thousands of years ago.

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Speaker 1: That is the central question we are grappling with in

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this deep dive.

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Speaker 2: Because if you open, say a standard history textbook, or.

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Speaker 1: Speak to a mainstream archaeologist.

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Speaker 2: Right, they will paint a picture of total isolation doubles exactly.

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They'll tell you that the ancient civilization's the Pacific, the

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builders in Asia, the master Masons of South.

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Speaker 1: America, they all developed and independent bubbles. The isolationist theory

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basically the idea that everyone was.

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Speaker 2: Grounded, grounded, and separated. The standard narrative is that they

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didn't call.

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Speaker 1: Each other, they didn't trade with each.

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Speaker 2: Other, supposedly they didn't even know the others.

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Speaker 1: Existed, which is wild to think about.

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Speaker 2: They were just islands of humanity separated by these insurmountable.

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Speaker 1: Oceans, vast desert.

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Speaker 2: Continents that were just impossible to cross.

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Speaker 1: The Atlantic and Pacific were barriers, not highways, right, which,

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when you look at how similar some of their stuff is.

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Speaker 2: It feels a bit suspicious.

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Speaker 1: It really does. I mean, we're seeing pyramids everywhere Egypt, Mexico.

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We're seeing similar gold work, similar legends about, you know,

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gods coming from the sky.

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Speaker 2: It feels like finding the exact same graffiti tag in

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New York and Antarctica exactly.

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Speaker 1: And today we are pulling on a thread that suggests

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these weren't coincidences.

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Speaker 2: Not at all. We are looking at source material that

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argues there was a literal worldwide trade route thousands of

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Speaker 1: And the kicker here it wasn't powered by camels, no

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or wooden boats drifting on the current.

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Speaker 2: The theory we are examining today suggests this ancient worldwide web.

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Speaker 1: Was powered by advanced aviation technology air travel. We are

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talking frequent flyer miles in three thousand BC. It sounds wild,

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but instead of servers, it's flight paths. So welcome to

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thrilling threads.

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Speaker 2: Glad to be here.

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Speaker 1: I am ready to have my mind blown today, but

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to need some serious convincing. Sure enough, ancient airplanes is

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a heavy claim. It sounds like straight up science fiction.

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Speaker 2: That is healthy skepticism, and frankly, it's required for a

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deep dive like this. Good. We aren't here to just

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blindly accept stories, right. We are here to weigh the

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evidence presented by the source material.

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Speaker 1: So what are we looking at?

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Speaker 2: We are going to look at the arguments from proponents

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of the ancient astronaut theory. Okay, researchers like David Childress,

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algan Ingboom Georgi A Sucolos are going to look at

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the infrastructure, the legends, the map, and even a NASA

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engineer's highly technical analysis of the Bible.

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Speaker 1: Because we aren't just looking at campfire stories today. We

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are looking for the nuts and bolts exactly.

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Speaker 2: We are asking the hard questions if this system existed,

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how did it work, where did they land? How do

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Speaker 1: It's an investigation into the logistics of the impossible.

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Speaker 2: So let's unpack this.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. If we are claiming people were flying

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around the globe thousands of years ago.

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Speaker 2: We aren't talking about hot air balloons, no.

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Speaker 1: Or kites or gliders made of reeds.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about machines.

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Speaker 1: Complex machines. And the source material uses a very specific

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word that just keeps popping up, vanas vmanas. What exactly

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is a vimana.

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Speaker 2: Vmana is a term originally from ancient Sanskrit texts in India, Okay,

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in the classical translations of the Ramiana or the Mahabarata.

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Speaker 1: Which are epics that are thousands of your goal thousands.

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Speaker 2: In those texts, it refers to flying palaces or chariots

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of the gods.

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Speaker 1: Flying palaces. I gotta say that sounds less like a

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fighter jet and more like a luxury liner.

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Speaker 2: Well, sometimes they are described as huge, multi decked.

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Speaker 1: Craft like a cruise ship in the sky.

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and this is noted heavily by researcher Elgend Ingboom. Okay,

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the vimana represents the missing link of ancient history.

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Speaker 1: The missing link between cultures. Yes, because usually when I

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hear a missing link, I immediately think of evolution. You know,

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apes to humans.

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Speaker 2: Right, biological evolution. But think of this in terms of

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cultural evolution.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm tracking.

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Speaker 2: If you accept the mainstream view, the similarities between a

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temple in Mexico and a temple in Indonesia.

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Speaker 1: Are just bizarre coincidences exactly.

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Speaker 2: Historians call it parallel invention.

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Speaker 1: Parallel invention the idea that humans just naturally come up

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with pyramids independently.

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Speaker 2: And gold masks and mummifications.

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Speaker 1: Because those are just obvious things to make.

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Speaker 2: That's the mainstream argument.

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Speaker 1: Which, to be fair, is possible. A pyramid is a

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bunch of rocks, eventually you get a pyramid. It just

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Speaker 2: That's entirely true. But in Boom argues that the similarities

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too specific, too specific, too nuanced. He suggests that if

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Speaker 2: Suddenly those similarities make total sense.

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Speaker 1: It's not coincidence anymore.

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Speaker 2: It's contact.

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Speaker 2: The Viaimana is the vehicle that allowed culture, technology, and

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trade to flow from one part of the world to another.

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Speaker 1: In a very short time.

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Speaker 2: Right. It's the difference between walking across the United States,

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which takes months and is incredibly dangerous, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Versus flying, which takes what five hours?

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Speaker 2: Exactly. If you can fly, the world gets infinitely smaller.

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Speaker 1: You can share architectural blueprints, you can share religious ideas,

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agricultural techniques.

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Speaker 2: It's a game changer.

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Speaker 1: In Boom's point is that the Vermana collapses the timeline.

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Speaker 2: It allows for a synchronization of ancient cultures.

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Speaker 1: That simply shouldn't exist if everyone was just walking or

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sailing on crude rafts.

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Speaker 2: It explains why we find those out of place artifacts.

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Speaker 1: The anomalous finds, like traces of Egyptian substances in the Americas.

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Speaker 2: Or Asian DNA and ancient South America, things.

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Speaker 1: That mainstream history really struggles to explain without doing mental gymnastics.

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Speaker 2: It paints a picture of a world that was buzzing

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with activity, not.

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Speaker 1: Sleeping in isolation exactly. And here is the logistical snag

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that always trips me up when I look at this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear it.

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Speaker 1: Let's say I buy the idea that they have the machines. Okay,

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let's say I accept the vemana. Sure, if I have

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a plane today, even just a small Sessena, I can't

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just land it in a dense jungle or on the

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side of a rocky cliff.

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Speaker 2: No, you'd crash.

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Speaker 1: I need infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: You need a runway, I.

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Speaker 1: Need a hangar, I need a control tower. If these

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guys had a global network, where are the ancient airports?

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Speaker 2: And that is exactly where David Childress makes a very

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compelling comparison to modern logistics.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what does Childress say?

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Speaker 2: He points out that if we have aircraft today, we

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inevitably have airports situated in strategic locations globally.

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Speaker 1: You need a hub, you need.

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Speaker 2: A flat surface, right, And Childres argues that when we

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look at certain anomalous archaeological sites, we're looking at the hubs.

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We are seeing the fossilized remains of ancient airports.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about these ancient airports. That's two,

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the most famous one The one literally everyone points to

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Speaker 2: In Peru, the Nasca Lines.

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Speaker 1: We've all seen the pictures, those massive geometric lines and

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animal shapes just etched into the desert floor.

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Speaker 2: Is a massive plateau, high up, very.

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Speaker 2: The lines just look like shell trenches in the dirt.

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Speaker 1: You can't even really tell what they are from eye level.

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Speaker 2: No, you might walk right over the famous monkey or

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Speaker 1: Know it because they are just too big. We're talking

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macro engineering precisely.

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Speaker 2: But from the air.

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Speaker 1: They look incredibly precise.

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Speaker 2: They pop out a landscape. And the argument from the

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source material is that some of those wide flat bands.

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Speaker 1: Because they aren't all animals, right, Some are just massive

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geometric rectangle right.

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Speaker 2: And some of those look exactly like modern airstrips.

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Speaker 1: So the theory is they were runways for a worldwide

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air transportation system.

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Speaker 2: That's the claim.

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Speaker 1: But let's play Devil's advocate here for you guys listening,

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please do. Mainstream archaeology says these were processional routes, right, yes,

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like paths for religious ceremonies.

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Speaker 2: That is the standard accepted view that the lines were

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walked upon by.

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Speaker 1: Priests to pray for rain or worship mountain deities, And that.

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Speaker 2: Is certainly possible. Humans do incredibly strange and labor intensive

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: But the ancient astronaut theorists look at the geometry.

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Speaker 1: It's too perfect.

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Speaker 2: They look at the sheer straightness of the lines. Some

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Speaker 1: Which is incredibly hard to do without surveying your equipment.

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Speaker 1: The sky, and they ask the obvious question.

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Speaker 2: Why build something for the sky if no one is

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Speaker 1: To see it unless someone was up there exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And Childrens points out something else about then Oscar

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region that doesn't get as much press. What's up There

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are mountains nearby where the tops appear to have been

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artificially flattened.

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Speaker 1: Flattened mountains.

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Speaker 2: It's not just the lines in the dirt, it's the

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actual terraforming of the surrounding.

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Speaker 1: Landscape, which brings us to a site that I hadn't

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really focused on before digging into this source material. Monty Alban,

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Monte Alban in Mexicos.

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Speaker 2: This is in the Wahaka Alley.

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Speaker 1: And this site is spectacular.

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Speaker 2: It's a massive complex of temples and pyramids. It deeps

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back to the Zappatec civilization.

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Speaker 1: Maybe five hundred BC or even earlier. Right, and this

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one sounds even more like a massive engineering project than

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an OSCA.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Childress describes it as a mountain where the top was

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completely cut off.

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Speaker 2: Leveled is the word used in the material, just leveled.

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Imagine a jagged mountain peak. Okay, Now imagine simply slicing

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the top off to create a massive, perfectly flat table top.

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Speaker 1: That is Monte Alban.

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Speaker 2: There is a megalithic city up there now, which is

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extremely old.

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Speaker 1: Itself, but the foundation, the.

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Speaker 2: Foundation itself, the sheer flatness of the mountain is the anomaly.

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Speaker 1: To slice the top off a mountain. I mean we

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do that today for strip mining, sure.

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Speaker 2: But we use massive explosives, earth.

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Speaker 1: Movers, immense amounts of energy.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about moving millions of tons of solid rock.

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Speaker 1: And then you have to move that rock somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Else exactly, and we are told the builders of Monte

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alban didn't even have the.

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Speaker 1: Wheel let alone dynamite.

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Speaker 2: So why go to the trouble.

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Speaker 1: Right, Why not just build around the peak.

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Speaker 2: Or build on the valley floor where it's already flat

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and there's a water source.

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Speaker 1: Why haul everything up a mountain only to spend decades,

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maybe centuries, flattening.

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Speaker 2: It, Unless the flatness was the whole point.

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Speaker 1: Childress's conclusion is that the flatness was the feature, not

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a bug.

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Speaker 2: It was a functional necessity.

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Speaker 1: Of Vimana Airport.

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Speaker 2: If you're piloting a craft, landing on a mountaintop is

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strategically brilliant.

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Speaker 1: You're defended from ground attacks, you have perfect clear visibility,

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and if you level the top you have a perfect

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unobstructed platform.

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Speaker 2: It paints a wild picture, it really does.

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Speaker 1: Imagine you're flying your Vermana from the NOSCA hub in Peru,

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heading north, heading north, and you look down and see

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this perfectly flat topped mountain in Mexico, a.

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Speaker 2: Perfect landing pad right in the middle of rough terrain.

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Speaker 1: It implies a network.

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Speaker 2: It implies that these weren't just isolated random projects.

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Speaker 1: They were nodes in a system.

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Speaker 2: And a network, implies Cord nation.

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Speaker 1: It implies that someone in Peru knew someone in Mexico and.

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Speaker 2: They agreed on travel protocols and infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: Standards, which brings us right back to that global village concept.

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Speaker 2: If these sites were airports, then the ancient world wasn't

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a collection of isolated tribes. It was a connected grid,

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a fully operational grid.

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Speaker 1: But a grid needs legends, right, what do you mean, Well,

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if people were actually flying around, the locals would have

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talked about it. Of course, even if only the gods

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or the elite kings were flying, the common people on

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the ground would have seen these things.

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Speaker 2: It would be the most amazing thing they ever waitnessed.

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Speaker 1: They would have written it down or at least told

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stories around the fire that.

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Speaker 2: Got passed down, and they did, which brings us to

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the Middle East and Africa.

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Speaker 1: This is where we moved from the physical earth, the

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runways and mountains the textual evidence, and we have to

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look at something called the Kubra Nugast. Yes, Kubra Nugast

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sounds intense. What is it exactly?

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Speaker 2: It translates to the glory of the kings. Okay, It's

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a holy book of the Ethiopian people. It was written

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down sometime before the second century AD, but drawing on.

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Speaker 1: Oral traditions that are much much older, vastly older.

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Speaker 2: Georgio A Suklos actually calls it the most important text

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you've never heard of.

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Speaker 1: That's a bold claim. Why is it so important? Does

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it literally have ancient flight logs.

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Speaker 2: In a way, Yes, it does.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 2: It focuses heavily on King Solomon.

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Speaker 1: The biblical king Solomon of Israel, the very same.

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Speaker 2: Now we all know Solomon was famous for his wisdom

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and his incredible wealth.

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Speaker 1: He built the first temple in Jerusalem, right.

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Speaker 2: But the care of a Nagast claims he had something

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else entirely.

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Speaker 1: A flying machine.

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Speaker 2: A flying machine out.

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Speaker 1: A chariot, not a really fast horse.

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Speaker 2: The text describes him having access to a vehicle that

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allowed him to travel great distances in the air. Wow.

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The text literally says the king flew on a wagon without.

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Speaker 1: Wheels, a wagon without wheels.

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Speaker 2: And this connects directly to the very famous legend of

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the Queen of Sheba.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know this one.

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Speaker 2: The story goes Solomon gifted her a flying carpet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on a flying carpet. Yes, that is straight

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out of Aladdin.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a fairy tale. Yeah it's Disney. Are we

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really going to use a flying rug as evidence of

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advanced ancient technology? That feels like a massive stretch.

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Speaker 2: I understand the hesitation, but this is where we have

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to be very careful with language and cultural context.

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Speaker 1: Okay, walk me through it.

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Speaker 2: Suclos and Childress urge us to look past the literal

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modern translation. Put yourself in the shoes of someone living

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in the Middle East three thousand years ago.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm there.

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Speaker 2: You are a weaver, I make rugs. You understand textiles. Yeah,

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that is your pinnacle of technology.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, patterns looms. Got it.

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Speaker 2: Suddenly you look up and you see a flat craft.

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Maybe it's metallic, Maybe it's hovering silently, just floating through

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the air. You don't have the word airplane. No, you

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don't have the word to hovercraft.

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Speaker 1: Definitely not.

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Speaker 2: You don't have anti gravity platform in your vocabulary.

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Speaker 1: I have never seen metal fly exactly.

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Speaker 2: So what is the closest thing in your existing vocabulary

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to describe a flat decorated object that sits above the ground.

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Speaker 1: A carpet, A carpet, it's flat, it hovers. Yeah, Okay,

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I see where you're going with this.

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Speaker 2: The source material argues that flying carpet was just a

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colloquial term used liberally in that region to describe these machines.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a literal woven rug.

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Speaker 2: No, it was a descriptor, a metaphor born of necessity.

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Speaker 1: Just like native tribes in the Pacific during World War

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Two called American planes.

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Speaker 2: Great birds, exactly the same phenomena, because birds were the

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only things they knew that flew.

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Speaker 1: They use the vocabulary they have.

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Speaker 2: It's a recognized concept called linguistic relativity. Your world and

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how you describe it is strictly defined by the words

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you know.

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Speaker 1: That makes a scary amount of sense. We always just

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assume myths are pure imagination, but usually.

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Speaker 2: Myths are just bad descriptions of real events, bad.

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Speaker 1: Descriptions of real anomalous events. Yes, so if carpet actually

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means vermana or craft.

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Speaker 2: Then the story of Solomon giving Sheiba a carpet.

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Speaker 1: Is actually Solomon giving her a private.

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Speaker 2: Jet essentially, yes, a diplomatic gift of high technology.

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Speaker 1: And he wasn't just using it for joy rides, right.

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Speaker 2: Not at all. The traditions in the Middle East mention

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highly specific flight paths.

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Speaker 1: They talk about Solomon flying to the Mountains of Solomon.

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Speaker 2: Which are peaks that are geographically distinct and incredibly hard

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to reach on.

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Speaker 1: Foot, and she'll just suggest these were the landing.

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Speaker 2: Pads, similar to Maddi Alban. He didn't climb the mountain,

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he just landed right on top of it.

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Speaker 1: So Solomon has his hubs, he has his runways.

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Speaker 2: He does.

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Speaker 1: But the connection doesn't stop in the Middle East, does it.

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Speaker 2: No, it expands outward.

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Speaker 1: The source material through a major curveball here that I

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honestly wasn't expecting.

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Speaker 2: Tibet, Tibet. This is a truly fascinating thread.

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Speaker 1: So we have to talk about Nicholas Rowich.

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Speaker 2: A famous Russian American explorer.

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Speaker 1: He was traveling through Central Asia and Tibet in the

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nineteen twenties.

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Speaker 2: A time when these places were very, very closed off

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to the west, almost impossible to access.

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Speaker 1: And Rorick wasn't just some tourists. He was a serious scholar,

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an artist, a mystic.

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Speaker 2: He was looking for Shampala right he was.

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Speaker 1: He was obsessed with the hidden history of the world.

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Speaker 2: And while he was in Tibet, high up in the Himalayas.

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Speaker 1: He recorded local traditions.

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Speaker 2: And what did he find. The Tibetans, thousands of miles

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away from Israel, had their own stories about King Solomon,

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which is crazy.

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Speaker 1: Why would Tibetans care about a Jewish king from the

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Middle East?

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Speaker 2: That is the big question.

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Speaker 1: That's literally halfway across the world. They have their own

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incredibly rich history and pantheon.

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Speaker 2: But specifically, they had traditions of King Solomon flying to

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Tibet in his aircraft, not riding a horse, not walking

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the silk road fight.

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Speaker 1: So we have the keeper Negust in Ethiopia saying he flew, We.

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Speaker 2: Have Middle Eastern legends saying he flew.

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Speaker 1: And we have Tibetans in the hig Himalayas saying, oh, yeah, Solomon,

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he flew here too.

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Speaker 2: Bablish is a distinct pattern.

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Speaker 1: It does.

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Speaker 2: If this was just one single culture's myth, we could

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easily dismiss it as a metaphor or a religious allegory.

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Speaker 1: But when you have the exact same specific historical figure.

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Speaker 2: Associated with the exact same specific technology, flight across vastly

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different geographic regions.

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Speaker 1: Legions that supposedly weren't even talking to each other.

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Speaker 2: You have to ask the question, was Solomon a frequent

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flyer on this ancient global network.

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Speaker 1: It's like finding a Yelp review for a specific airline

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in newspapers from three different continents.

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Speaker 2: It strongly suggests the airline actually existed.

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Speaker 1: So Solomon is zooming around. Maybe he's checking on his

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trade routes, maybe visiting dignitaries.

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Speaker 2: Stay visits.

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Speaker 1: But if you're flying that much, you need more than

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just a landing strip you do. You need a way

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to navigate. You need a map.

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Speaker 2: Navigation is the absolute.

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Speaker 1: Key, because if you are flying, you are seeing the

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world from a perspective that no one on the ground

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can even imagine. You see the coastlines, you see the coance.

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Speaker 2: And interestingly, the caber Nagast actually mentions Solomon using his

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airship to make maps of the world.

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Speaker 1: Make maps of the world.

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Speaker 2: That is a very specific technical claim, which.

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Speaker 1: Brings us to one of the most mind bending parts

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of this entire deep dive for you guys, the impossible maps,

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the cartography conundrum.

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Speaker 2: This is where the evidence moves from just oral stories

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to something you can actually hold in your physical hand.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about the Pierees map on other shows before.

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Speaker 2: It's the famous one from fifteen thirteen, right, the one.

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Speaker 1: That shows the coast of South America way too accurately

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for the time.

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Speaker 2: But the source material for today highlights a couple of

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others as.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Orantius Fenias map and the Mercator maps.

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Speaker 2: Graham Hancock, who is a leading voice in this field,

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points out something incredibly disturbing about these maps. Disturbing how

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they don't just show the world as it looked in

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the fifteen hundreds. Okay, they show Antarctica.

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Speaker 1: Which absolutely shouldn't be there. No, Antarctica wasn't discovered by

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modern explorers until the eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 2: Captain Cook crossed the Antarctic Circle in the seventeen seventies. Yeah,

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but he never actually saw land.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't until eighteen twenty that anyone actually laid physical

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eyes on the continent.

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Speaker 2: Correct. But these maps from the fifteen hundreds show it

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plain as day.

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Speaker 1: But it's not just that Antarctica is on the map, right,

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it's how it is depicted exactly.

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Speaker 2: These maps show the land mass of Antarctica in great detail,

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Bayz Mountain ranges, rivers, but Antarctica is covered in miles

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of ice.

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Speaker 1: It's been covered in ice for millions of years.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is where the geology gets very interesting. Okay.

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Hancock argues that these maps depict Antarctica as it looked

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during the last ice Age. Wait what, or perhaps during

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a warm period within the ice age when the coastlines

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were actually free of ice.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait wait, let me get this straight.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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Speaker 1: So we have a physical map showing a continent that

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no one supposedly knew about. Yes, and it shows that

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continent looking the way it did ten thousand or twelve

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thousand years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the implication.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So who he was drawing the map?

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Speaker 2: Exactly the right question. Perie Race, the Ottoman admiral who

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drew the.

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Speaker 1: Famous map the fifteen thirteen one.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he wrote directly in the margins of the map

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that he didn't survey the land himself.

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Speaker 1: So where did he get it?

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Speaker 2: He compiled his map from ancient source.

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Speaker 1: Maps, source maps from where maps.

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Speaker 2: That were supposedly rescued from the Library of Alexandria before

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it burned.

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Speaker 1: So he was copying a copy of a copy, right.

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Speaker 2: And to create the original source map of a subglacial continent.

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Speaker 1: You either need ground penetrating radar.

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Speaker 2: Which we only developed very recently.

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Speaker 1: Or you need to have seen the land before the ice.

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Speaker 2: Covered it exactly. And to map an entire continent with

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that level of accuracy calculating longitude.

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Speaker 1: Which is notoriously difficult to do even with ship instruments.

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Speaker 2: You need to be in the air.

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Speaker 1: You cannot map a continent by just walking around the icy.

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Speaker 2: Coastlines, especially not in the Antarctic where the conditions are lethal.

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Speaker 1: You need an aerial perspective, you need altitude.

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Speaker 2: So the logic chain presented by the material goes exactly

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like this.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear it.

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Speaker 2: These maps exist, we have them. Fact, they are copies

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of older lost source maps. Okay, those original source maps

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must have been created by someone who saw Antarctica ice free.

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Speaker 1: Which places the original cartographers deep deep in antiquity.

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Speaker 2: And the sheer accuracy of the coastlines suggests they had

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the ability to survey from the sky.

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Speaker 1: It literally implies that someone was flying over the South

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Pole ten thousand years ago, taking notes.

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Speaker 2: It implies that the ancient global village included Antarctica.

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Speaker 1: That is heavy.

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Speaker 2: It is, and it fits perfectly with the Solomon legends.

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Speaker 1: Because if you can fly to Tibet, you can fly

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to the South Pole.

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Speaker 2: If you have the technology, the entire globe is open

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to you.

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Speaker 1: It suggests that the ancients knew the true shape and

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size of the world long long before Magellan or Columbus.

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Speaker 2: It all comes back to the air.

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Speaker 1: It does the runways in Peru, the leveled mountains in Mexico,

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the flight lugs of Solomon, and now these aerial maps

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of the ice a.

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Speaker 2: It is a remarkably consistent narrative across different disciplines.

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Speaker 1: But and I have to be the skeptic again, it

556
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is all still circumstantial. It's lines in the dirt and

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old campfire stories and weird anomalous maps. Yes, for the

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listener who needs hard data, Is there anything more technical?

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Speaker 2: Technical in what.

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Speaker 1: Sense, anything that reads less like a myth or a

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legend and more like a user manual.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you want technical, we have to go to

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the most scrutinized book in human history.

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Speaker 1: The Bible.

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Speaker 2: The Bible. Yeah, specifically the Book of Ezekiel.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I remember Sunday School. Ezekiel is the wheel within

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a wheel.

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Speaker 2: Guy.

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Speaker 1: He is Ezekiel saw the wheel, and.

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Speaker 2: For centuries, mainstream theologians have interpreted his vision as purely symbolic.

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Speaker 1: They say, the wheels represent God's omnipresence.

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Speaker 2: The eyes on the wheels represent God's all seeing nature, its.

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Speaker 1: Spiritual vision, a metaphor for the divine glory of God.

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Speaker 2: That's the traditional view, but the source material for this

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deep dive takes a very very different approach.

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Speaker 1: They say, forget the symbolism.

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Speaker 2: Read it literal, Read it like a tech manual.

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Speaker 1: It's the ancient alien's perspective.

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Speaker 2: Essentially, exactly, Ezekiel wasn't having a spiritual hallucination. He was

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having a close encounter of the third kind.

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Speaker 1: He was an eyewitness to a spacecraft landing.

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Speaker 2: Let's actually break down the description in the text.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's look at the text.

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Speaker 2: Ezekiel is standing by the river Chebar. He sees a

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whirlwind coming out of the north, a great cloud, and

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a fire infolding itself.

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Speaker 1: Fire enfolding itself. That is a very interesting specific phrase.

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Speaker 2: It sounds exactly like the plasma exhaust of a rocket

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or a jet engine.

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Speaker 1: It's not a normal campfire. It's a contained, highly energetic reaction.

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Speaker 2: It has a center of intense brightness.

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Speaker 1: And then he sees living creatures with the likeness of

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a man. But they have sparkles like burnished brass.

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Speaker 2: And wheels, wheels that go specifically within wheels.

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Speaker 1: And the text says when the living creatures moved, the

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wheels moved.

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Speaker 2: And they lift it up, the wheels lifted up.

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Speaker 1: It heavily emphasizes the mechanical connection between the entities and

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the wheels.

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Speaker 2: It literally says, the spirit of the living creature was

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in the wheels.

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Speaker 1: So how do we get from angels and wheels to

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NASA's spacecraft because.

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Speaker 2: Angel usually means wings and halos, not thrusters and landing gear.

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Speaker 1: Right, So we have to introduce Joseph Blumric.

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Speaker 2: This is where the story gets some real, undeniable scientific weight.

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The rocket scientist, the quintessential rocket scientist, oh is it.

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Joseph Blumric was a chief of the System's Layout branch

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at NASA.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so a heavy hitter.

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Speaker 2: He worked on the Saturn V rocket, the Moon project,

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so he knows his stuff. He was a man who

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understood structural engineering, propulsion, stress tolerances, heavy lifting. He built

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the things that took humanity to the Moon.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't start out as a believer in this

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ancient astronaut theory the opposite.

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Speaker 2: In the early nineteen seventies, he heard about this theory,

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mostly promoted by Eric von Dani at the time that

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Ezekiel saw a spaceship.

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Speaker 1: And what did he think?

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Speaker 2: Bloomenrich thought it was absolute nonsense. He thought it was pseudoscience.

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Speaker 1: So he set out to dun't get.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to use his massive engineering background to show

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that the description in the Bible was technically impossible as

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a flying machine.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love when that happens. The skeptic sets out

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to debunk and ends up converting himself.

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Speaker 2: It is the classic scientific journey.

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Speaker 1: So what happened?

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Speaker 2: Bloomrich spent months analyzing the text. He didn't just read it,

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he analyzed.

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Speaker 1: It structurally as an engineer.

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Speaker 2: He looked at the angels moving back and forth like

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flashes of lightning.

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Speaker 1: And what did he conclude?

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Speaker 2: Bloomrich thought that sounds exactly like retro rockets or control

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thrusters firing for stabilization.

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Speaker 1: And the burnished brass.

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Speaker 2: Leg landing gear shock absorbers. Wow, if you look at

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a modern lunar lander, it has legs, it has shiny

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metallic foil.

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Speaker 1: Insulation to a primitive profit from ancient times. A shiny

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metallic landing leg looks exactly like the leg of a

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glorious being.

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Speaker 2: And the wheels within wheels.

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Speaker 1: That's the most famous part, right, How did he explain

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that mechanically?

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Speaker 2: This is the absolute genius part. Blimerich realized that if

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you want a heavy craft to move in any direction

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on the ground without having to rotate the entire vehicle.

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Speaker 1: You need a special type of wheel.

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Speaker 2: He realized Ezekiel was describing an omnidirectional wheel, a wheel.

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Speaker 1: That can roll forward but also roll sideways exactly.

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Speaker 2: And if you have to describe a complex multidirectional rover

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wheel to a person from six hundred BC, a.

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Speaker 1: Wheel within a wheel is actually a perfect functional description.

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Speaker 2: It describes the mechanism perfectly.

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Speaker 1: So blum Rich, the chief NASA engineer, concludes that Ezekiel

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is actually describing a highly functional shuttle craft.

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Speaker 2: He was so thoroughly convinced that he wrote a whole

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book about it, called The Spaceships of Ezekiel.

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Speaker 1: That is wild.

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Speaker 2: He even patented the design of the omnidirectional wheel. Inspired

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by the Bible.

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Speaker 1: He filed a patent based on Ezekiel.

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Speaker 2: He did. He concluded that Ezekiel's description was one hundred

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percent technically sound. He even calculated the vehicle's weight and

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fuel capacity based on the dimensions given in the text.

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Speaker 1: But the story gets even more interesting when the craft

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actually lands.

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Speaker 2: Because usually in these Bible stories, the angel says fear

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not and delivers a spiritual message about the future, a.

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Speaker 1: Prophecy, But here the interaction is completely.

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Speaker 2: Different, very different. Ezekiel falls to his knees in absolute terror.

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Speaker 1: Which honestly, I would too if a Saturn rocket landed

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in my front yard.

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Speaker 2: The noise and heat must have been deafening.

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Speaker 1: He is terrified because he has zero frame of reference

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for this level of technology.

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Speaker 2: But then a being comes out of the craft, and

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what does it look like? A being in bright clothes

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that looked like metal, a spacesuit, that is the direct implication.

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And this metallic being gives Ezekiel a job.

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't say pray for your sins, No.

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Speaker 2: He says, I brought you here to measure this building.

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Speaker 1: This is the part that always weirds me out about

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this story. Why does an all knowing god need a huge.

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Speaker 2: Surveyor exactly why does an angel need a human to

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take physical tape measurements.

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Speaker 1: The second part of the Book of Ezekiel contains forty pages.

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Speaker 2: Forty pages of specific mind numbing measurements, lengths with materials

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gateway sizes. It is incredibly dry reading. If you are

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looking for spiritual enlightenment, it's just tedious.

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Speaker 1: But if you are an engineer, it.

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Speaker 2: Reads exactly like a structural blueprint.

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Speaker 1: The source material suggests this wasn't a temple on the

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religious sense at all.

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Speaker 2: No, it was a facility, a hangar, a maintenance bay,

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a landing site.

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Speaker 1: The glory of the Lord, which in this theory is

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the physical spacecraft lands there, and.

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Speaker 2: The Being asks Ezekiel to measure it precisely.

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Speaker 1: Why why involve him?

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Speaker 2: Perhaps to preserve the knowledge of the structure for future generations.

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Speaker 1: Or maybe to verify that it was built to spec

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by the locals.

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Speaker 2: It feels much more like a pragmatic engineering survey than

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a religious ritual. The Being literally says, that is why

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we brought you here.

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Speaker 1: It implies a mission. We are here, we have a ship,

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we have a base. Ezekiel right down the specs. It's

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so pragmatic, it's bureaucratic almost.

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Speaker 2: And that pragmatism is what makes the theory so seductive

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to so many.

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Speaker 1: People because it strips away the magic.

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Speaker 2: It replaces magic with technology.

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Speaker 1: If you assume our ancestors were intelligent but just lacked

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the technical vocabulary.

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Speaker 2: Everything from the flying carpet to the wheel within a

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wheel resolves into a very coherent picture of advanced machinery.

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Speaker 1: It turns the Bible into a flight manual, It really does.

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So let's zoom out and look at the whole picture

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we've painted today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's synthesize this.

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Speaker 1: We have the physical infrastructure, the massive runways at NASCA,

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the artificially leveled mountain at Monte Albin. We have the

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network King Solomon flying his craft from Israel to Ethiopia

728
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,079
to Tibet. We have the navigation impossible maps of an

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ice free Antarctica surveyed from the air during the Ice Age.

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And we have the eyewitness account Ezekiel describing the nuts

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and bolts of a landing craft, structurally verified by a

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literal NASA engineer.

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Speaker 2: It creates a worldwide web of antiquity, a.

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Speaker 1: Web of trade, travel and connection that mirrors our own

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modern global village.

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Speaker 2: But predates it by millennia.

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Speaker 1: It really challenges that standard idea that history is just

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a straight upward line of progress from caveman to the iPhone.

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Speaker 2: We like to think we are the smartest people who

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ever lived, We really do. We tend to be chronocentric.

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We think we are the absolute pinnacle of achievement.

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Speaker 1: But this evidence suggests history might be cyclical.

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Speaker 2: That perhaps a high tech civilization existed, connected the entire

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world and then vanished.

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Speaker 1: Or was forgotten, which leads to the big frustrating.

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Speaker 2: Question, the elephant in the room.

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Speaker 1: Where is it all? If there were ancient airports and

748
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aluminum ships and hangars, where are they?

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Speaker 2: It's the ultimate mystery.

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Speaker 1: Why are we only finding the leveled mountain and not

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the bulldozers that leveled it?

752
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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Why are we finding the maps but not the satellites

754
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or the planes.

755
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Speaker 2: Perhaps the machines were taken away, or perhaps the materials

756
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simply corroded.

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Speaker 1: Because metals don't last like stone does.

758
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Speaker 2: If you leave a modern car in the jungle for

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a thousand years, it turns to dust, it's gone.

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Speaker 1: Or perhaps, as Arthur C. Clark famously said, any sufficiently

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advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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Speaker 2: That is a perfect quote for this.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we are looking at the magic, the legends, the miracles.

764
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Speaker 2: And missing the technology that caused them because we simply

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don't have the physical receipts.

766
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Speaker 1: Anymore, or maybe the receipts are staring us.

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Speaker 2: Right in the face and the lines of Nasca.

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Speaker 1: Or the verses of Ezekiel.

769
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Speaker 2: And we just refuse to read them that way because

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it breaks our comfortable understanding of history.

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Speaker 1: It forces us to keep an open mind, to.

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Speaker 2: Not dismiss the myth just because it sounds fantastic at

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first glance.

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Speaker 1: Because today's science fiction is often tomorrow's science.

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Speaker 2: Fact or, in this case, yesterday's history.

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Speaker 1: It suggests that the humans story is much longer and

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much more complicated than we give it credit for.

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Speaker 2: And that is a humbling thought and a thought.

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Speaker 1: That will definitely keep me up tonight. Just the idea

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that we are rediscovering flight, not discovering it for.

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Speaker 2: The first time, as it should keep you up. It's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: So we want to turn this over to you, the listener.

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We have thrown a lot at you today, from Solomon's

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00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:15,679
frequent flyer miles to NASA's Biblical blueprint. Where do you stand?

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00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,079
Speaker 2: Is the flying carpet just a poetic way to describe

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a rug or.

787
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Speaker 1: Is it a misunderstood memory of a hovering machine.

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Speaker 2: Does the fact that a NASA rocket engineer signed off

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on Ezekiel spaceship change how you read the Bible?

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Speaker 1: We want to know if you see the global village

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of the past or if you think we're just staring

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00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:35,599
at the clouds and seeing patterns?

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Speaker 2: Is this tangible evidence of a lost chapter of human history?

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Speaker 1: Leave a comment, send us a message, Let us know

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your theories.

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Speaker 2: Because if history has taught us anything, it's that the

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truth is usually much stranger than the fiction.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, keep questioning the narrative and.

799
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Speaker 2: Keep pulling on those threads.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to thrilling threads. We'll catch you in

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the next deep dive.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye.

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Speaker 1: See