Speaker 1: Something's going to happen?
Speaker 2: What? What's going to happen? What?
Speaker 3: Where Egyptians were like inducting Kabala into their magical workings
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And I'm not an expert on that,
Speaker 3: but from what little I have looked at, it seems
Speaker 3: like Alexandria was a melting pot where you had this
Speaker 3: fusion of Egyptian and Jewish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with that.
Speaker 1: To him, I think. I think also in one of
Speaker 1: the interviews I saw, I heard that they are looking
Speaker 1: at more of the Greek concept of black or what
Speaker 1: is it left hand path was more a un forgiven
Speaker 1: agent uh Middle Eastern Indian translation to me woman, and
Speaker 1: that it was the opposite of right and that, and
Speaker 1: they were more adhering to the Greek belief system where
Speaker 1: it was the absence of something, not the anti something.
Speaker 1: It was just the absence just not there. It was
Speaker 1: waiting for the light. It was waiting to be permeated
Speaker 1: by light. Again, these are just what I heard, but
Speaker 1: I will say I believe like Stemen Flowers, he was
Speaker 1: the one that I think was a student of Aquino
Speaker 1: and he basically resurrected all Germanic ruin runology, didn't he absolutely,
Speaker 1: And so Stephen Flowers is Don Webbs, and Don Webb
Speaker 1: was steam Flowers.
Speaker 4: Initiate, right, Stephen Flowers initiated.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you.
Speaker 3: So Stephen Flowers was heavily influenced by that guy I
Speaker 3: mentioned ear there, Guido von Least. Okay, so this is
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to not you guys, but I'm trying
Speaker 3: to tell people today, go look at some of these
Speaker 3: people like Guido von Least. If you want to know
Speaker 3: what the Nazis believed in, what they wanted to do,
Speaker 3: look at their influences. Look at Rudolph bon sivatandor Guido
Speaker 3: von Least or Allowance von Liebensfield's. These are the occultists
Speaker 3: that influenced the Nazis. So, but Flowers is an interesting
Speaker 3: case because he got so deep into the Runa and
Speaker 3: the rune magic, and that's a fascinating deep dive for sure.
Speaker 3: But what you see today is sugarcoating this. And they'll
Speaker 3: call it anything, but you know, German occultism, mysticism, romanticism.
Speaker 3: I would argue that it's just straight up old German occultism,
Speaker 3: and it was a revival of that.
Speaker 1: But I wonder how much to kind of go back
Speaker 1: to what we go who was asking is that it
Speaker 1: was a tug of war between magical factions. They're wanting
Speaker 1: not only to conquer land, but they're also wanting to
Speaker 1: have their belief system to be the I guess thought
Speaker 1: for the land. I don't know, because you start to
Speaker 1: hear this tug of war between Germanic and French, between
Speaker 1: its and what is it Hungarian right or Turkish, and
Speaker 1: so then you have the whole influence from the East
Speaker 1: coming through Turkey and Greek, and then you have the
Speaker 1: tug of war with the Jewish, and then you have
Speaker 1: everybody kind of coalescing in Spain and the eleven hundreds.
Speaker 1: We have everyone. The whole thought was there, Christian, Islam, Jewish, Mason,
Speaker 1: I mean, just all of them, and they're all conjoining,
Speaker 1: and they're all talking and they're all writing. So I
Speaker 1: wonder how much of it is just warring factions amongst
Speaker 1: each other. And that is a very elementary way to
Speaker 1: look at it, because I have no very little.
Speaker 2: That's not elementary at all. He said, that's I was thinking, obviously,
Speaker 2: plus altar the whole time. It's obviously the motto of
Speaker 2: the Row family of Spain. So obviously it's really interesting
Speaker 2: and I yeah, the eleven hundreds was like a revival.
Speaker 2: That's kind of how I think of it. Like you
Speaker 2: see these little maybe every three four hundred years, you
Speaker 2: see these kind of like coalescing, and it's exactly what
Speaker 2: they do. They battle over ideologies, they battle over territory.
Speaker 2: Maybe the territory is part of the ideological layer, so
Speaker 2: we're tied to it, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I was going to say too.
Speaker 5: Even with Germany, Tim when you was mentioning this guy
Speaker 5: who built that castle one, I would not doubt if
Speaker 5: Himler was kind of ripping him off, because a lot
Speaker 5: of occultists through that, in my opinion, they just kind
Speaker 5: of take somebody else's older idea that they think is
Speaker 5: impressive and try to make it themselves. At some point
Speaker 5: in the sixteen hundreds, around the time I think the
Speaker 5: Rosa Cruisian Manifestos thought had popping up, there was tons
Speaker 5: of occultists for some reason. I mean, we've covered them
Speaker 5: on the show. It's just like, oh, another one went
Speaker 5: to Germany, another one one that we're covering some reason.
Speaker 5: I'm wondering if these castles are where he wanted to
Speaker 5: put it or anything is even like significant to an
Speaker 5: area for some reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think there was. Man, that's a
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a great assessment. There's more to the
Speaker 3: castles in the case of Vivelsburg. You know, Wikipedia will
Speaker 3: tell you it goes back to I don't remember, maybe
Speaker 3: the fifteen hundred or something. Don't quote me on that,
Speaker 3: but him where said it went back to the first
Speaker 3: century a D. So he knew something everybody else didn't know.
Speaker 3: A Quino also knew that it went back to the
Speaker 3: first century a D. So they they liked that spot
Speaker 3: for some reason.
Speaker 4: You know this, how you think would this interests me
Speaker 4: in the sense?
Speaker 5: Maybe this is where Ricardo was wondering, is like, if
Speaker 5: they're interested in that, is it because they're into something
Speaker 5: a little bit more advanced, Like are they looking to
Speaker 5: build castles in certain nodes or certain areas to make
Speaker 5: certain it happened?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the castle Vivelsburg was built on an older fortification.
Speaker 3: That that's what this is about. That the older fortification
Speaker 3: was put there for I'm assuming maybe mystical reasons in
Speaker 3: the first century AD. They they chose that location for
Speaker 3: I don't know, lay lines, if you want to get
Speaker 3: into that kind of stuff Earth for vortex areas whatever.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was just a spiritual valley that they liked.
Speaker 3: And when that fortification began to crumble, they come in.
Speaker 3: They're like, well, we're just going to keep using this
Speaker 3: location and we're going to build something bigger and badder here.
Speaker 3: So they put Vivelsburg there, and somehow that information as
Speaker 3: to why it was the location was chosen in the
Speaker 3: first place got lost, but the occultist knew about it.
Speaker 3: So and I mean, all the all the castles across
Speaker 3: Europe have these strange, cool, fun like occult like facts
Speaker 3: about them. I mean, it's you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Auto Ron is another German occultist. He's the guy that
Speaker 3: Himmler had looking for the Grail. Otto roan Uh wrote
Speaker 3: a book called Lucifer's Core. It's a really good book.
Speaker 3: I actually recommend it, where he goes all across France
Speaker 3: and Spain and visits all the castles there. He tells
Speaker 3: you the history and he talks about how the Catholic
Speaker 3: Church came in and killed all the the Cathars. But
Speaker 3: he goes into all the mystical sort of history of
Speaker 3: the of the castles themselves. It's very dense, it's cool stuff.
Speaker 4: Ethan, what's going on? But yeah, this guy ain't coming on, Ethan. Yeah,
Speaker 4: oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: When I was like all right, I was like, maybe
Speaker 5: he was looking waiting for me to say, like if
Speaker 5: he was coming on. And after like after I got
Speaker 5: the email that he can't make it because of issues,
Speaker 5: I was like, well, Ethan designed him.
Speaker 4: Maybe just wasn't jumping on anyway.
Speaker 2: So I no, I was just tolif blaking.
Speaker 6: In fact, I thought it was two o'clock, start west,
Speaker 6: goat h.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting, though, Tim, what you were saying before
Speaker 2: about the castles, and like I always think like altarstones,
Speaker 2: so it's like a very like in contra, that would
Speaker 2: be the logical step, Like you would take the altarstone
Speaker 2: of whatever they were doing, whether it was bad. If
Speaker 2: it was bad, then you have to like purify it,
Speaker 2: maybe like enshrine it. So then like people's accumulated prayers
Speaker 2: would like purify the negative space. You could say. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I also like the idea of the laylance.
Speaker 2: I think that that's very true because it's like Europe
Speaker 2: and like Lisa was saying, there's like a French faction
Speaker 2: that are very Libertine or Luciferian and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: if we build it, we can do anything. We don't
Speaker 2: have to worship the pyramids in Egypt, we can just
Speaker 2: build them right here.
Speaker 4: Do those castles have moats around them too?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 5: I really do think there something up with these castles?
Speaker 4: Are these supposed to use?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do think there's something up to say, listen,
Speaker 5: they might have used them for military reasons, but I
Speaker 5: think that was like maybe a cover.
Speaker 7: Is always built in areas where the rivers have curves
Speaker 7: tight curves, or there is a lot of fault areas
Speaker 7: in terms of producing microscience, seismology constant that produces the
Speaker 7: humuh And and you find it all over. If you
Speaker 7: look at cattle and Atlas, you'll see that every single
Speaker 7: religious site or whatever you want to call it, it's
Speaker 7: on a river band. Every idiot new you see it
Speaker 7: by that. By the monuments today, they are all by
Speaker 7: river bands always, so there's very little exceptions. And do
Speaker 7: you have do you have any mention of them going
Speaker 7: to a latri in Italy since the Nazis took to
Speaker 7: Italy back on the day.
Speaker 3: Tim, Uh, well, well, there's you mean, like the Germans
Speaker 3: being in Italy. I'm sorry, what was your question?
Speaker 7: If you know anything about the that kind of Nazi
Speaker 7: presence in Italy like in Alatri or in Gropparrello castle,
Speaker 7: do you know anything.
Speaker 3: About Oh no, I know that they had a Hitler
Speaker 3: was friends with Mussolini. So I don't know that the
Speaker 3: Nazis went in those regions to invade.
Speaker 7: Because yeah, sure not to invade, but since there were
Speaker 7: Allied they could have used those installations because they are
Speaker 7: known to be functional. So both Groparrello and Alatri, that's
Speaker 7: why I was asking.
Speaker 3: I'd have to look into that. That's interesting. Yeah, those
Speaker 3: are those are two locations I don't know much about,
Speaker 3: but they sound sound pretty neat.
Speaker 7: And that castle that you mentioned that I don't know
Speaker 7: how to pronounce it, but do you know if it
Speaker 7: has underground areas like I put hypogems like most of
Speaker 7: them have.
Speaker 3: Well they certainly. I don't know if Biblsburg did. It
Speaker 3: had chambers, but I don't know how dent or how
Speaker 3: deep into the ground it was. But there was a
Speaker 3: castle that the Nazis took in Poland called Kasai Castle,
Speaker 3: and it had a dense, extensive underground tunnel system that
Speaker 3: they added to and they put their German secret weapons
Speaker 3: project down there. They put a guy down there named
Speaker 3: Hans Kamler who was like a genius. And you know,
Speaker 3: were the not you you asked earlier, were the Nazis
Speaker 3: working on did you say anti gravity or portals?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, this guy was working on that sort of
Speaker 3: stuff in my opinion, down there underneath of a castle,
Speaker 3: so in the ground.
Speaker 7: You might not notice. I didn't know it until I
Speaker 7: finally found these two books that unfortunately only exists in German.
Speaker 7: So it took me quite a while Tom because they're
Speaker 7: too big to put in an Ai and he gives
Speaker 7: me the translation they're just way too big. It doesn't
Speaker 7: accept them. But the funny thing is there is these
Speaker 7: two professional, reputed, well known spaleologists in Austria, right and
Speaker 7: they are following the threat of the underground areas all
Speaker 7: over Europe that we don't talk about. And so in
Speaker 7: this book is documented Austria as a complete Swiss cheese underneath,
Speaker 7: coming from the palaces the castles. And the fact that
Speaker 7: it is curious to me is that there are other
Speaker 7: spaleologists from other countries in Europe, and so they claim
Speaker 7: there is a network of tunnels from the UK to
Speaker 7: Turkey without interruption. So the problem is, yeah, this is
Speaker 7: completely put under down the rug. They are not allowed
Speaker 7: to have any exposition on this. They're just not allowed.
Speaker 7: And so the funny part to me is that these
Speaker 7: tunnels are polished, built in like this, the position of
Speaker 7: the ceiling is like this, and the walls are very smooth.
Speaker 7: The problem is that I don't know if anyone can
Speaker 7: translate this to feet, but the tunnels are one point
Speaker 7: five meters in height and the shoulders of a high
Speaker 7: man cannot go there without going scraping. So whatever created
Speaker 7: these tunnels and use them as a means of communication
Speaker 7: to other areas, because there are very few galleries, it's
Speaker 7: just tunnels, right that use them were not human stature.
Speaker 7: They couldn't be. And the other thing that is curious
Speaker 7: is all over the place when they are still in
Speaker 7: the wild, because many of these entrants were blocked by
Speaker 7: putting massive buildings on top of it, right, and these
Speaker 7: buildings have to this day access. I had a lady
Speaker 7: from Austria after my article saying, oh, it's true. In
Speaker 7: my village there is this cafe and in that cafe
Speaker 7: there's still the entrance and it's all tunnels around here.
Speaker 7: All beneath us is all tunnels. They've been here, they documented,
Speaker 7: but it never managed to publish it. So the curious
Speaker 7: thing to me is that this is done by very
Speaker 7: small people and at some point it seems to have
Speaker 7: been a disagreement or an accord because there were heavily
Speaker 7: heavy piles of rock transported into the tunnels by men
Speaker 7: and blocking the passages as serving the connection between the
Speaker 7: underworld and the surface, So whatever is living in the
Speaker 7: underworld will be closed. There no more communication with outside
Speaker 7: and vice versa. So this is just a rabbit hole
Speaker 7: that I unlocked just a few days ago. But it's
Speaker 7: it's fascinating because it's highly suppressed, but there is high
Speaker 7: there is lots of documentation and how it is, so
Speaker 7: they just don't allow us to access it, or don't
Speaker 7: allow these guys to publish it. But they found at
Speaker 7: least six hundred tunnels all around just this small village
Speaker 7: in Austria, and they have been documented in the rest
Speaker 7: all over the place. So this goes for miles that
Speaker 7: it never ending. The tunnels never end, they just keep
Speaker 7: on going. And the humans used part of it. And
Speaker 7: do you see where the humans used because they enlarged
Speaker 7: the ceiling. They made it square so that they can
Speaker 7: fit and hide, and they made larger galleries.
Speaker 4: This is a.
Speaker 3: Little person that was found out west. It's real. It
Speaker 3: has a rib cage and it has it has ripped.
Speaker 3: It has ribs, and it has traces of internal organs
Speaker 3: and it was said to be This is where it
Speaker 3: gets crazy because it was only said to be a
Speaker 3: couple of inches when it's standing, well not more than
Speaker 3: a couple but like let's see sitting in the sitting position,
Speaker 3: it's like six inches, so maybe it was like eleven
Speaker 3: inches standing or something like that. And the Cherokee talked
Speaker 3: about this over here in North America. They talked about
Speaker 3: the Cherokee little people. They were an Inner Earth species.
Speaker 2: There's an herbalist who talks about this. His name is
Speaker 2: Michael Matthew. Would sorry at least if you if you're
Speaker 2: interested in this. So there's a like a whole and
Speaker 2: like la like Timiss saying, it's not just the Cherokee
Speaker 2: or even the sort of Cherokee speakers like the five
Speaker 2: civilized tribes. Algonquin people also speak about this, so Matthew
Speaker 2: would he has a whole book on this.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because there is a species of I guess
Speaker 1: Homo sapien that was discovered and called Homo floren floriensis,
Speaker 1: and they're called the floras man. So it reminds me
Speaker 1: of that, and how like British rule had transported a
Speaker 1: lot of their prisoners to undesirables to Australia. Not that
Speaker 1: they were transporting these people, but it.
Speaker 7: Just and there isn't any aboriginal information about them.
Speaker 1: I haven't looked. I just remember it being on a
Speaker 1: news article.
Speaker 2: There are still there are still like what we call
Speaker 2: Negritos who live in Indonesia and the Philippines, like exactly
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, like even on the island of Forests,
Speaker 2: and they are actually a small people from Solowezi tend
Speaker 2: to be the shortest of all Southeast Asians just in general.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I think that probably blended and
Speaker 2: eventually we're Cardo. I'm just kind of like generic Indonesian.
Speaker 1: Most of the I'm sorry, most of the indigenous people
Speaker 1: of the US around the Equator closest to the equator
Speaker 1: are very short. That's just I think more of them
Speaker 1: when I forget the biological term for it. And it
Speaker 1: occurs in animals too. The closer to the equator, the
Speaker 1: smaller the animal. The further out, like more towards the
Speaker 1: northern latitudes, the bigger the animal because of surface area
Speaker 1: and heat exchange and all that other stuff. But if
Speaker 1: you look at some of the indigenous people even today,
Speaker 1: when they crossover, you can tell, oh, that one's probably
Speaker 1: from Central America because the the the indigenous people like
Speaker 1: up in Texas, like around San Antonio area and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, much taller. There's six five versus.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting because they're really tall up here too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can always tell, like Native guys are super tall.
Speaker 1: Yes, very much so. And then you have some American
Speaker 1: like the buy In and stuff like that that are
Speaker 1: bare clearing four eleven.
Speaker 3: Over here in Tennessee. Up into the nineteen hundreds, they
Speaker 3: were finding graves of these little people as well. I
Speaker 3: have a bunch of articles. I've got one here pulled
Speaker 3: up on my phone. This is from the Anthropological Institute
Speaker 3: Journal from eighteen seventy six, and it says an ancient
Speaker 3: graveyard of fast proportions has been found in Coffee County.
Speaker 3: It's similar to those found in White County and other
Speaker 3: places in Middle Tennessee. And I'll just stop real quick
Speaker 3: and say that I'm familiar with the White County case
Speaker 3: as well. This farmer basically dug up thousands of bodies
Speaker 3: of entities or humanoids or whatever they are. They were
Speaker 3: eighteen inches tall. They look like people, but they were
Speaker 3: just that's a good question because it doesn't say I.
Speaker 4: Should I go get it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, go get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But this one goes on to say this grave site
Speaker 3: is vastly more extensive and shows that the race of
Speaker 3: pygmies who once inhabited this country were very numerous. But
Speaker 3: I don't want to read this whole thing, but if
Speaker 3: there's anything, okay, A man was piling in a field
Speaker 3: and had been cultivating many years and plowed up a
Speaker 3: man's skull and other bones. After making a further examination,
Speaker 3: they found that there were about six acres in the graveyard.
Speaker 3: They were buried, so the little people were buried in
Speaker 3: a sitting or standing position. The bones showed that they
Speaker 3: were a dwarf tribe of people about three feet high.
Speaker 3: So these okay, so this one, these were three feet tall.
Speaker 3: The ones in White County weren't even They were like
Speaker 3: eighteen inches. So there's varying decrease of height here.
Speaker 7: Sure don't you have that Indian lady that is like
Speaker 7: a palm and a half high? Ye, your muted.
Speaker 1: Listen, I was trying to avoid hearing mean type. Yes,
Speaker 1: she's very small.
Speaker 4: I totally forget about that.
Speaker 3: Oh can I just omit? Throw this party and I'll
Speaker 3: shut up. It's estimated that they were about seventy five
Speaker 3: thousand to one hundred thousand bodies buried there, all seated.
Speaker 3: They were either sitting or standing. They were buried in
Speaker 3: a standing position or seating or seated. And there, I'm
Speaker 3: telling you, guys, there's article after article about this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Because if you make a hole in the ground
Speaker 7: and you start putting people in it, they are there
Speaker 7: going to be standing because they might be stiff, or
Speaker 7: they are going to be seated because the limbs will
Speaker 7: bend and they will be seated. So what I'm presuming
Speaker 7: is someone got really angry and killed a lot of them,
Speaker 7: if not all of them, and buried them there.
Speaker 3: How close is that to Appalachia Oh, well, White County
Speaker 3: is right on the edge. It's not in there, but
Speaker 3: it's right.
Speaker 2: On the edge.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. Because there's a cave. There's a
Speaker 1: vast cave system through Appalachia.
Speaker 3: Just it stretches all the way here to Nashville. So
Speaker 3: there's a cave system. It's extensive all the way from
Speaker 3: here up into Kentucky up into West Virginia. They don't
Speaker 3: even know how far it goes.
Speaker 4: Have you seen the caves over by you?
Speaker 1: They have maps of the caves.
Speaker 3: I've seen it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I haven't gone deep into them, Nick, but
Speaker 3: I've seen them. Mammoth cave systems not far from me north.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I believe that Mammoth Cave has been blocked.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they won't let you go deep in there at.
Speaker 7: All because from a certain point on, the walls are worked.
Speaker 7: They are no longer natural when you go through the tunnels,
Speaker 7: and before that happens way before that comes into the horizon,
Speaker 7: so no zoom or flash can capture it. They put
Speaker 7: those bars because if you look at the maps of
Speaker 7: the official government maps of of Mammoth Cave, they go
Speaker 7: to the point where they don't know where they end.
Speaker 7: Or they don't tell us where they end, but they
Speaker 7: go for miles and miles and miles. It's a huge
Speaker 7: system that no one has ever reportedly enter one side
Speaker 7: and got out through the end. So they don't know
Speaker 7: what's there. They say they don't know what's there, right,
Speaker 7: But I believe from a certain point on, and you
Speaker 7: have that mural that most people say it's false there
Speaker 7: that from a certain angle of light you can see
Speaker 7: a map of the inner areas of the cave, and
Speaker 7: it might be a connection to that world. So the
Speaker 7: story that I was telling is only came to light
Speaker 7: because this has happened in the sixteen seventeenth century, right,
Speaker 7: And it's just a story of two kids that emerge
Speaker 7: during harvest from a wolves stand that they had already
Speaker 7: removed the wolves. So these two kids emerged from the
Speaker 7: wolves then, and they were green. Their skin was green,
Speaker 7: and that is known, that was documented by I have
Speaker 7: at least twenty one references, and everyone tells the story
Speaker 7: in a different way. So they all agreed that they
Speaker 7: were green, a boy and a girl, that they couldn't
Speaker 7: eat our food, and only after being in the verge
Speaker 7: of starvation and very very weak, they start eating beans,
Speaker 7: and the boy died because he didn't resist it. They
Speaker 7: tried to baptize him and he died and the girl survived.
Speaker 7: So the girl eventually married a known man in the area,
Speaker 7: an influential man in the area. She lost her greenness
Speaker 7: very slowly, but she lost the greenness. And what is
Speaker 7: important here is I believe that the code in this
Speaker 7: whole story that goes for three hundred years of books
Speaker 7: of fairy tales, of very interpretations, there is only one constant,
Speaker 7: and that constant is the green and the girl has
Speaker 7: been documented saying that where she lived there was no son,
Speaker 7: and apart from there is no son. Only they have
Speaker 7: is a green luminoscence coming from the walls, which I
Speaker 7: discussed in my book how that can be achieved by
Speaker 7: natural means. The fact that the black son, yeah, the
Speaker 7: fact that I see here might not be actually true
Speaker 7: is that they are of average height. So either there
Speaker 7: are many different types of people living underground. For instance,
Speaker 7: you have the I have I don't know it has
Speaker 7: twenty two hours or something like that. One recording from
Speaker 7: a lady from Magartha supposedly that came with my Nazi philes,
Speaker 7: by the way, and the tale that she tells. They
Speaker 7: are not small. They are very white people. That's why
Speaker 7: the Nazis like them, although they didn't like very much
Speaker 7: of the Nights. They like the Nazis at beginning, but
Speaker 7: then they somehow kick them out that they decided that
Speaker 7: they were not following their plan. They have their own
Speaker 7: agenda and they are as dominant as the Nazis were
Speaker 7: at that time. We see what they did to the
Speaker 7: American fleet when General Bird decided to go there. And
Speaker 7: so I think the constant here is the green because
Speaker 7: when I see the pictures of these paleologists where they're
Speaker 7: don't documenting this three hundreds or six hundred, I don't
Speaker 7: know how many images. The book is huge. It has
Speaker 7: hundreds of image. Every single one of these entrances that
Speaker 7: is still in the wild has green rocks, natural green
Speaker 7: rocks surrounding the entrance, and some blocks that were quarried
Speaker 7: from that place and put on the ground on specific places,
Speaker 7: and the rock is green. And I thought that this
Speaker 7: is probably, and so I went to look and know
Speaker 7: it is. The actual mineralogy of those stones makes them
Speaker 7: actually green. So I believe that the green here is
Speaker 7: the code that is embedded to represent this underground and
Speaker 7: that's what being kept in all these different versions. I'm
Speaker 7: sorry for this big exposition, but no, no, I have
Speaker 7: a quick question.
Speaker 1: In those areas where the children were found, was it
Speaker 1: heavily I guess the cave system they have heavily heavy.
Speaker 7: Copper minds heavy, sorry copper copper. Yes. Well, there are
Speaker 7: several speculations. One of them is that they were green
Speaker 7: because of the copper. Another one is because it was
Speaker 7: a common disease in that time that people turned green
Speaker 7: for bad nutrition. It has a name that I didn't
Speaker 7: I didn't memorize. Okay. The problem is most people argue
Speaker 7: against that because they say that it was a very
Speaker 7: well known condition and they would not confuse the green
Speaker 7: from that condition to the greenness of the children, so
Speaker 7: they would understand that it was not because of that,
Speaker 7: although they were very, very hungry. Let's put it this way.
Speaker 7: The thing is where they came out, they couldn't get in,
Speaker 7: so they know there is areas go deeper on that
Speaker 7: small cave that was the wolves den, but they never
Speaker 7: tried to follow it in because the entrance was too
Speaker 7: small for an adult to pass, so they were lost,
Speaker 7: apparently for weeks and they came out on that place
Speaker 7: during the harvest. Why they were already starving when they
Speaker 7: came out.
Speaker 2: Lisa kind of took my question not intentionally at all,
Speaker 2: and she didn't ask them the way that I would
Speaker 2: have asked it. But it was a really interesting way
Speaker 2: that she asked about the copper, because I was going
Speaker 2: to ask, like, what kind of green was the quality
Speaker 2: of green of the stones or of the color, because
Speaker 2: there's different asthmaal green, Okay, like like the clarity with
Speaker 2: light passing through green, Like you can say, so.
Speaker 7: You can see you see that vibrant color of mosque
Speaker 7: when it's really really green. That's why I thought the
Speaker 7: stones were covered in mosque, but they weren't. So that's
Speaker 7: the color, very shiny and green.
Speaker 3: Well, why are aliens said to be green? You know,
Speaker 3: maybe there's a supernatural component to this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, carbon, extra dimensional carbon dioxide interacting with copper usually
Speaker 1: turned copper green.
Speaker 7: They say that too in their investigations that I've looked upon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very well, But anyway, I'm sorry, did any was
Speaker 1: there any mention of their scoleros the white part of
Speaker 1: the eye, Was it blue?
Speaker 7: No, we're talking about sixteenth centuries, so even they couldn't.
Speaker 7: They couldn't even bring the boy back to health. So
Speaker 7: it's just aid and died. They still baptize them. It's
Speaker 7: the same, just to make sure he goes to heaven,
Speaker 7: although he was a children and children supposedly all go
Speaker 7: to heaven.
Speaker 8: But that's worth they sorry, what did you say, listen?
Speaker 1: I said, did they preserve the bodies? Because I wonder
Speaker 1: if there was like respiration happening through their skin instead
Speaker 1: of their nose.
Speaker 7: Good question, No, they didn't, they didn't.
Speaker 6: I wonder doesn't the story go that they weren't able
Speaker 6: to speak the language they weren't able to communicate at.
Speaker 7: First exactly the language that they spoke was completely different
Speaker 7: and intelligible. The problem is some argue that there were
Speaker 7: communities living two weeks away that speak spoke a different
Speaker 7: language that no one understood, and some people say that
Speaker 7: they come from those other communities because they differently. Their
Speaker 7: clothes were completely strange to them, so it's definitely another culture.
Speaker 7: So there's some debate that they were from a community
Speaker 7: that was two weeks away and food travel, so the
Speaker 7: only thing that is constant is the green. The rest
Speaker 7: can have many, many explanations.
Speaker 3: The Cherokee have a myth concerning the inner earth little
Speaker 3: people that goes back to the settlement that was kind
Speaker 3: of near where Asheville, North Carolina is today along the
Speaker 3: French Broad River. But anyway, the Cherokee were in a
Speaker 3: time of they were in bad times, like there was
Speaker 3: warring tribes, there was drought, there was famine. They were
Speaker 3: just having a hard go at it. And the Cherokee
Speaker 3: shaman fasted for seven days looking for a solution, and
Speaker 3: he got in touch with the little people from Pilot
Speaker 3: Mountain not not too far away.
Speaker 7: And the Crystal Mountain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and the little people told him, you can
Speaker 3: come with us. You and your people can come with us.
Speaker 3: The only thing you have to do is have the
Speaker 3: people fast for seven days like you've done, and they
Speaker 3: can come into the earth with us, and everything will
Speaker 3: be okay. There's no war, there's no famine, there's no drought.
Speaker 3: And the legend is that some of the people fasted
Speaker 3: for seven days and disappeared into the into this mountain
Speaker 3: with the little people, and it became like a lost
Speaker 3: tribe of Cherokee.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of myths regarding the Americas, both North
Speaker 7: and South as in times of crisis to be taken
Speaker 7: underground by another race and then when things are calm
Speaker 7: or they are allowed to come back to the surface.
Speaker 7: A lot of them speak of death.
Speaker 2: Interesting about Ashville tim because in Hawaii they also have
Speaker 2: this same mythology. I even know what they're called. They're
Speaker 2: called Menehune, which are like the little people. I've heard
Speaker 2: like many scholars talking about this, and so that's really
Speaker 2: interesting if you look at it from like a more
Speaker 2: what I'm calling Hyperborian perspective, where we're trying to like
Speaker 2: locate like where they believe or this is kind of
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking, I'm trying to locate what they believe
Speaker 2: is the new world. So there's like two ways you
Speaker 2: can think about it. There's a lot of Indonesian like
Speaker 2: parapolitical kind of like Indonesian factions who believe that it
Speaker 2: is like in the Asia Pacific and they have a
Speaker 2: strong whole five route races like they have that all
Speaker 2: that that's all baked into like the Constitution and all that.
Speaker 2: And then there's like the more American way, which is
Speaker 2: obviously what the Lisa and Nick do often on the show.
Speaker 2: Is like they talk about like that kind of like
Speaker 2: understanding the broader workings. So it's interesting if you're trying
Speaker 2: to map it. But I just want to say the
Speaker 2: thing about Hawaii is interesting simply because it's sort of
Speaker 2: America and Asia specific at the same time. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like the confluence of the two cultures or the
Speaker 2: multiple cultures like in Alexandria, sort of.
Speaker 6: I wanted to add on that, Jim, that's an awesome
Speaker 6: insight because there's some I don't want to say primitive
Speaker 6: but kind of primal megalithic sites in Hawaii that they
Speaker 6: attribute to the little people.
Speaker 7: M Okay, so they are everywhere. Yeah, just don't care
Speaker 7: about that. Maybe not in Australia because in Australia only,
Speaker 7: I'm only aware of the dream time, and the dream
Speaker 7: time doesn't I don't remember this speaking about little people.
Speaker 2: Do you know Drew missen Ricardo who's sorry Drew missing No,
Speaker 2: So he has a podcast, He's Australian and Nick knows him.
Speaker 2: I think Nick's been on a couple of times. I've
Speaker 2: worked with him a couple of times, so he actually
Speaker 2: is really he's quite an expert in this subject of
Speaker 2: dream time. He posits that it's a recent sort of cosmology,
Speaker 2: and it was very specific. It was very tribally. It
Speaker 2: was like located on a very specific coast. Like he
Speaker 2: understands that I don't know anything about this, but he
Speaker 2: says it it comes from one specific area and it
Speaker 2: was kind of like a story first transmitted in like
Speaker 2: the sixteen seventeen hundreds, but it was not common outside
Speaker 2: of that territory.
Speaker 7: And then what you're saying is that the interpretation of
Speaker 7: the images that are sixteen eighteen thousand years old is
Speaker 7: a new interpretation from that period.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's kind of his thesis is that
Speaker 2: he believes like the kind of like religious framework or
Speaker 2: landscape of Australia was very different than how it's been described.
Speaker 7: That's interesting and I never heard that. That's interesting because
Speaker 7: the images that the pictrographs are so old and that's
Speaker 7: what they call the dream time. So I mean, it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't that word though, the dream time. That's part of
Speaker 2: like a Drew's argument is that that phrase even comes
Speaker 2: from only one language because there's many many ethno linguistic
Speaker 2: groups that are totally distinct from each other, like they
Speaker 2: have no basis in like there's no ethno linguistic relationship
Speaker 2: between them. So it's like a very specific phrasing and
Speaker 2: it doesn't occur outside of this one very specific area.
Speaker 2: That's kind of saying that that is the it's the
Speaker 2: term that's sort of vessel or the description of it
Speaker 2: that is the misapplication because it sort of like makes
Speaker 2: the cosmology over broad and were encompassing, where it's actually
Speaker 2: like a lot more nuanced and like the concept of
Speaker 2: the dream time is so variant.
Speaker 7: Exactly that that I know that, I know, yeah, and
Speaker 7: I do understand his perspective that calling it dream time
Speaker 7: is recent and on that perspective, yes, because they have
Speaker 7: different names and every single tribe has a different cosmology,
Speaker 7: so I can I can agree with that.
Speaker 3: Yes, what is that dream time concept?
Speaker 4: Thank you for having because I don't know either.
Speaker 7: Oh you don't know either, Okay, so the dream time
Speaker 7: is what very broadly you Are you aware of the
Speaker 7: images that you find in Australia the picture grams. Yes,
Speaker 7: so they call those beings of the dream time. Those
Speaker 7: are the beings that lived on the land and they
Speaker 7: were the beings that taught the first man.
Speaker 3: Yes, they have like the bulbous heads with the big
Speaker 3: round eyes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and the auras around the heads, and so they
Speaker 7: are kind that they are not physical, but they are
Speaker 7: not completely spiritual, so they are like a different kind
Speaker 7: of of conscious entity that is older and knowledgeable. So
Speaker 7: basically that's what they call what is today interpreted as
Speaker 7: the dream as the dream time.
Speaker 3: Are they thought to be from inside the earth or
Speaker 3: from another dimension or.
Speaker 7: What more like another dimension than inside the earth, because
Speaker 7: these are eterial, they describe them exactly as you see
Speaker 7: in the images. So it could be a semanic experience
Speaker 7: like the empty that most people see the same people
Speaker 7: going into their chest and starting talking to them. It
Speaker 7: could be something like that. But the practices are very
Speaker 7: different from place to place, and it's very hard to
Speaker 7: create an encompassing idea of what are they actual beliefs
Speaker 7: of their beliefs.
Speaker 2: I think he did a great job, Brigardo.
Speaker 7: Thank you. I hope so, because yes, that's good.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, you know, I think the showmanic layer,
Speaker 2: like whether we agree if it's appropriate or not. I
Speaker 2: think that's probably the easiest for people to understand. Like,
Speaker 2: I think that's perfectly fine as long as you just
Speaker 2: take it with a caveat that that's not exactly what
Speaker 2: they're doing. We're just using that as like a descriptor.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's the right way to look at it.
Speaker 2: I think it's like altered state of consciousness. A lot
Speaker 2: of them have snake cults, not all of them. Again,
Speaker 2: that's a rainbow serpent sort of mythology of Australia is
Speaker 2: much much. It's grossly over exaggerated from how localized it
Speaker 2: originally was. But because of how history works, it kind
Speaker 2: of those the ideas win. Like Lisa said that certain
Speaker 2: ideas went out in the end, so that's kind of
Speaker 2: like the rainbow serpent too. But it's basically they see beings, animals,
Speaker 2: alligators and it it's like the nature spirits maybe like
Speaker 2: local spirits of the land, or sometimes maybe.
Speaker 7: The foremost animal is if you want.
Speaker 4: To call it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way to describe it. And they
Speaker 2: talk to them and they you know, tell them, They say, okay,
Speaker 2: you have to do this dance around this lake and
Speaker 2: you have to like be the keepers of this whatever
Speaker 2: waterhole or this tree or this grove of trees, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: basically that's what it is. It's like the people who
Speaker 2: live underneath reality it's like the beings of subtle reality,
Speaker 2: like that was a Buddhist. That's how I describe it
Speaker 2: to him. I don't know if that's useful for you though,
Speaker 2: but yeah that's how I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it just reminds me of
Speaker 3: the story. There's a guy kind of like a listener
Speaker 3: of mine who we we initially touched base talk about
Speaker 3: some of the ancient structures and pyramids and stuff like
Speaker 3: that that used to be in Nashville. But as we talked,
Speaker 3: this guy started to open up to me about his
Speaker 3: d MT experiences, which were very numerous. He are we
Speaker 3: we're not recording.
Speaker 4: Right, Actually I did hit record on audio.
Speaker 3: Okay, well then I'll just I'll just I'll do the
Speaker 3: all the details publicly. But anyway, this guy was was
Speaker 3: very into DMT culture and he had taken it many,
Speaker 3: many times, and he was telling me about this experience
Speaker 3: that he was having. Every time he took DMT, he
Speaker 3: would get in contact with this very tall, sort of
Speaker 3: cosmic entity. It was a female and she had a
Speaker 3: name and uh, the name I recognized from Fregian Norse mythology.
Speaker 3: And I asked him, I'm like, have you ever heard
Speaker 3: this name before. He's like no, and so I told him.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, this is like an old Norse goddess
Speaker 3: according to the legend. He's like, well, that's interesting because
Speaker 3: every time I take d MT, i'd run into her
Speaker 3: and we resume our conversation. And I just thought that
Speaker 3: was interesting, you know, I mean, MS like there's like
Speaker 3: a there's more of that. The DMT culture is expansive.
Speaker 3: Ayahuasca culture is expansive right now. And you know, I
Speaker 3: just wonder if we're able to tap into another realm
Speaker 3: and or another dimension and actually talk to entities there,
Speaker 3: and if that's if there's any sort of correlation with
Speaker 3: the dream time entities.
Speaker 7: Look, you have to put in perspective that not all
Speaker 7: the people have the same means to achieve the same ends.
Speaker 7: So in places where you don't have the possibility to
Speaker 7: create the structures that will give you that aultra states
Speaker 7: of consciousness tend to go to psychotropics. That's why you
Speaker 7: see them in certain places where they couldn't properly build
Speaker 7: or they don't have the sophistication to create it. And
Speaker 7: that's a viable alternative to reach the same end. But
Speaker 7: if you go to sites like Europe, for instance, or
Speaker 7: North America or even some communities in South America that
Speaker 7: started to use it. But I'm well, going through time,
Speaker 7: you see that they are using this like the Megalithic culture.
Speaker 7: They are using these huge structures not to bury the dead,
Speaker 7: but to have these experiences inside these places. That's why
Speaker 7: they are perfectly built in terms of sacred geometry alignments
Speaker 7: on these specific notes that we are speaking before, of
Speaker 7: these energies where there are fault lines riverbands, to capture
Speaker 7: this energy and contain it inside these structures, to have
Speaker 7: these altered states of consciousness. You have the example of
Speaker 7: the Greeks. They knew this so well they're still using
Speaker 7: the halsaftly any hypogem to They paid the guy and
Speaker 7: the entrance to go and sleep on the second level
Speaker 7: because they knew that their answers would be their questions
Speaker 7: would be answered by the structure itself. So this is
Speaker 7: not often spoken, but it's well recorded.
Speaker 2: I just want to say, like what you said about
Speaker 2: access of a different dimension, well, what if the dimension
Speaker 2: maybe is in your mind.
Speaker 7: That's an interesting point. That's why I'm going to do
Speaker 7: the testing at West Kenneth Long barrow to see if
Speaker 7: it is happening inside the mind or is a physical thing.
Speaker 7: If it is happening inside the mind, could it still
Speaker 7: be real like an obea experience, and we can still
Speaker 7: take lessons from it, We can still interact with that
Speaker 7: environment as we would in a physical environment. If it
Speaker 7: is not one trick of the mind, and it is
Speaker 7: actually real, then we can take measures to see what
Speaker 7: exists on the other side of that dimension or portal,
Speaker 7: or whatever it is that they managed to open there
Speaker 7: and never explored.
Speaker 2: Well, things of the mind are relatively real.
Speaker 7: Indeed, so you know, that's that's why I'm going to
Speaker 7: put their infrared cameras, I'm going to put their night
Speaker 7: vision cameras. I'm going to put the thermometer sensors. I'm
Speaker 7: going to put an ECG on the head of everyone
Speaker 7: that's being the subject of the experience. We'll see if
Speaker 7: the portal actually opens physically, if the stones actually glow
Speaker 7: and you can see it, if the energy is palpable.
Speaker 7: We're going to see if all that debertole Is achieved
Speaker 7: when he did the testing there but didn't give it
Speaker 7: a follow up can be reproduced.
Speaker 3: Heidi and I did a show recently on portals, and
Speaker 3: we looked into this story about how Hughes going to Gerona, Spain,
Speaker 3: because he was interested in the natural portal sites there,
Speaker 3: and if the research that we did is correct, he
Speaker 3: didn't just go to Jerona once. He went so several times,
Speaker 3: and he established a base at the bottom of this
Speaker 3: mountain called Mount Contego, the top of Mount Contugo. For centuries.
Speaker 3: The legend is there's a temple or a portal up there.
Speaker 3: You can go up. They suggest you go up there
Speaker 3: with a guide, but you can go into the portal,
Speaker 3: and it's more from what I gathered, it's more like
Speaker 3: a mental thing. It's not like what you see in
Speaker 3: a movie where there's like the swirling vortex. It's more
Speaker 3: like you go up there and you stand in a
Speaker 3: certain area and you travel with your mind. So apparently
Speaker 3: Hughes was all about this, and he set up shot
Speaker 3: below Mount Kuntugo to try and figure out if he
Speaker 3: could make an artificial poral based on the study of
Speaker 3: the real portal, and he had a team of well
Speaker 3: Nazis down there, Nazi sciencests, soothsayers. This is the account
Speaker 3: that a Norwegian pilot that knew Hughes said, he said
Speaker 3: there were He went in there and Hughes had a
Speaker 3: team of of Nazi scientists, sooth sayers as CIA people,
Speaker 3: and they had figured out how to build an artificial
Speaker 3: portal and it was finicky. And that part of the
Speaker 3: reason why Hughes appeared to have gone crazy later in
Speaker 3: life was because he was fried from going through all
Speaker 3: these portals.
Speaker 4: All that.
Speaker 3: To say, I'm with you guys, like what if it
Speaker 3: is a mental thing. What if space travel was never
Speaker 3: meant to be done by rockets? What if the Shamans
Speaker 3: had the key to all this the handbags? What if
Speaker 3: this is all about using your mind to travel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Shamans just got stuck in the ghost layer.
Speaker 2: All shaman's obviously, but some can go all the way.
Speaker 2: But you know it's easy. It's I'm not just picking
Speaker 2: on Shamans, I'm picking on everyone. You know. It's like
Speaker 2: it's there, there are layers. It's like it's like that's
Speaker 2: why caball is such a perfect where Vehiculture expressed the
Speaker 2: idea is because it's like the layers of the suffer. Okay,
Speaker 2: well that's a perfect way. And like even with the portal,
Speaker 2: like that's clearly what the That's what Aquino seems to
Speaker 2: be very interested, and that's what the crystal tablets, not
Speaker 2: what there's written in them, but maybe the more meta
Speaker 2: idea because they love that, like especially like Don Webb,
Speaker 2: he loves the meta idea. So I think their whole
Speaker 2: meta idea was like which way do we arrange the
Speaker 2: you know, the abrahammock or pre ironic like Priestley. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like the way the gemstones should appear on
Speaker 2: the on the keystone or whatever. That's like a lot
Speaker 2: about what the I think order of Chopsoids is looking for,
Speaker 2: but they think it has it's like an interaction between
Speaker 2: like the word and the gemstone, or the word and
Speaker 2: the color. But they're also like non literalist, so they'll
Speaker 2: use things like an idea of a gemstone, and they
Speaker 2: might actually mean, you know, images you see like Nick
Speaker 2: talks about in the magical experience.
Speaker 7: I would say that they are both felid, both as
Speaker 7: a psychological experience and as a physical experience. And I
Speaker 7: think that some groups pursued more the so called interdimensional
Speaker 7: inside the mind portals and because the other ones are
Speaker 7: much more hard to decipher. But the fact is you
Speaker 7: have these figures from the past, like Saint Charmain, for instance,
Speaker 7: How can you justify that he appears inside the church
Speaker 7: without knowing whether anyone seeing passed. Well, no one could
Speaker 7: pass because the king and the queen were marrying, so
Speaker 7: everything was well guarded, and he appeared right in the
Speaker 7: middle of the ceremony. How did it appeared in the
Speaker 7: rooms of kings without going through any other door. It
Speaker 7: just appeared inside the room of the kings. And these
Speaker 7: kind of things, to me are connected to what we
Speaker 7: call the false doors that we find in so many monuments.
Speaker 7: And if we look into science, we find this thing
Speaker 7: called quantum coupling or quantum coherence. That is, when you
Speaker 7: link to points in the same exact frequency, there is
Speaker 7: no distance between them, there is no time. They are
Speaker 7: just on the other side of the brain of that
Speaker 7: dimensional brain, and you are on the other side. So
Speaker 7: you know that this kind of community, the megalithic community,
Speaker 7: might have been around since more than three thirty thousand years,
Speaker 7: and that the constructions are equal every place around the world.
Speaker 7: So did they all dream the same thing or they
Speaker 7: could exactly expand and reach everywhere and adapt to the
Speaker 7: mineralogy and the characteristics of the land of each place
Speaker 7: and build accordingly to have the same the very same results.
Speaker 7: Then you have the vibrational imprinting that shows that these
Speaker 7: sites can actually gather memory of the ceremonies that are
Speaker 7: being done there. So this justifies completely the ancestry kind
Speaker 7: of spirituality or religion because they were not venerated in
Speaker 7: the ancestors. They are actually listening to the ancestors during
Speaker 7: these ceremonies inside these places because that was recorded, and
Speaker 7: vibrational imprinting is something that we are learning today to
Speaker 7: do in labs. So I would say all of this,
Speaker 7: but for me to say that I believe that there
Speaker 7: is the two ways to do it. You can either
Speaker 7: communicate like Stephen Greer, that's his name, the guy from
Speaker 7: Serious Project, either communicate via this rituals to communicate with
Speaker 7: beings on other dimensions. Or you can actually link two
Speaker 7: points that are different in space and time and link
Speaker 7: them through this kind of technology that uses the mineralogy,
Speaker 7: the nodes of the locations, the sound. All of that.
Speaker 6: I wanted to add that this reminds this idea of
Speaker 6: the two coming together, or the two possibilities happening at once.
Speaker 6: Is very much like this Buddhist paradox, if you will
Speaker 6: of is the bar a real or is it a
Speaker 6: figment of the mind? And well, it's Booths right, I'm
Speaker 6: just staying is That's what the question comes down to,
Speaker 6: is it either or real or of mind? And the
Speaker 6: answer I find in the Buddhist context is that it
Speaker 6: is both. And it leaves some people going, wait, that
Speaker 6: can't be No, It's it's really both. Jim, please please.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sorry. Then I just got so excited and
Speaker 2: I just you know, but I know you're totally right.
Speaker 2: It's neither nor. That's our dialectic in Buddhism if you want,
Speaker 2: like nondual consciousness. That you said it perfectly. It's both,
Speaker 2: just like the world is the garden and the carnal
Speaker 2: ground both at the same time. I know the Temple
Speaker 2: of side guys don't really love that, but for me,
Speaker 2: that's the truth. So that's you know, that's how I
Speaker 2: express it.
Speaker 3: Jen, you said something about we know, looking possibly looking
Speaker 3: for a poral. I'm paraphrasing something I heard you say
Speaker 3: a minute ago, but I would I would suggest that
Speaker 3: maybe you know they're they're going out into other dimensions,
Speaker 3: possibly but also into this inner Earth concept that we
Speaker 3: talked about today. Maybe there's a a sort of a passage,
Speaker 3: a learned passage to the inner Earth, and that a
Speaker 3: Quino was was working with those type of energies. I
Speaker 3: would say, you know, like going back to what Ricardo
Speaker 3: was talking about with these these green kids, and did
Speaker 3: I hear you say something about like a green inner
Speaker 3: Earth energy?
Speaker 7: They the girl described the the light as dusk and
Speaker 7: as a green shrends. At that time, they didn't know
Speaker 7: the expression, but it has a green bright to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's there's some sort of instead of having
Speaker 3: the sunlight down there, there's some other sort of life
Speaker 3: force energy down there. And and I would suggest that
Speaker 3: that's what Himmler was and the Nazis were interested in
Speaker 3: with the concept of Agartha and the concept of the
Speaker 3: black Sun, because that's I'd say, that's why Quino went
Speaker 3: to Vivilsburg Castle in the first place, was because that's
Speaker 3: a place where Himler had the black Sun carved into
Speaker 3: the floors and the walls there. The Nazis were looking
Speaker 3: looking for that in addition to the inner Earth, you know,
Speaker 3: lore they were there's there's that black sun energy that
Speaker 3: says there's some sort of a uh, it's not sunlight,
Speaker 3: but it's some other sort of life force down there
Speaker 3: that the black sun generates, this sort of mystical I
Speaker 3: don't know, properties or something. A Quino goes there and
Speaker 3: does his Vivilsburg working and he talks about the black Flame.
Speaker 3: And I think the black flame was his his his
Speaker 3: way of like returning black sun. He used different terminology
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean that that's they So you see
Speaker 2: this all contemporary left time path work now is this
Speaker 2: idea of the black Flame. So it obviously originated with
Speaker 2: the Templo sub boys, and then you know, go passed
Speaker 2: on to the different sects now and so you see
Speaker 2: this as like a it's kind of like a remix,
Speaker 2: very temple of set. Like they're using all chemical ideas,
Speaker 2: they're using like a little Buddhism, they're using a little
Speaker 2: you know, like all the things like everything that Stephen
Speaker 2: Flowers like writes about. But of course they're not really
Speaker 2: drawing from the original text. And this is the I
Speaker 2: tried to make a joke when Toby was on, but
Speaker 2: I kind of maybe insults them a little, but I
Speaker 2: didn't mean to. I really trying to just be funny.
Speaker 2: But doctor Flowers cites Evla, who's citing a TNTRA, and
Speaker 2: I made a joke about, how, well, that's not really
Speaker 2: the entre. You can't really say you're citing the TNTRA,
Speaker 2: like Lisa knows this, You can't. You can you can
Speaker 2: cite a citation, but you can't say you're quoting the
Speaker 2: TNTRA when you're quoting a citation and the citation was incorrect.
Speaker 2: So sometimes I think it gets long with them in transmission,
Speaker 2: and so I and this this happens a lot with ideology.
Speaker 2: If you believe something so strongly, then you'll start to
Speaker 2: make the metaphysics fit your worldview or your governing cosmology
Speaker 2: or even maybe your ontology. So you have to like
Speaker 2: force fit it in. And so you want to kind
Speaker 2: of like be loose with it, but not too loose
Speaker 2: where you're like decoherent, but you you want to have
Speaker 2: something structural so you can see that like there's like
Speaker 2: the Dawn Web character who's kind of like playing with
Speaker 2: these like more I would say traditional cabalistic ideas of
Speaker 2: like clarity and like a clear like consciousness, like things
Speaker 2: you could use is to describe Buddhism and a ball
Speaker 2: at the same time. But then you have like the
Speaker 2: Quino Supent Flowers crowd, and they're talking about like black
Speaker 2: flame alchemy and like embracing this like kind of blocks
Speaker 2: on self. This like a it's like a very hardened self.
Speaker 2: So for me, I'm like a little hermetic and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm a Buddhist. So for me, I I try and
Speaker 2: I like I like the clarity language. I like like that.
Speaker 2: I just think that that's better. I think that's more.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I want to add something to to what you're saying, Like,
Speaker 3: because I meant to say this earlier in an interview.
Speaker 3: It may have been this guy you guys had on,
Speaker 3: but this was the grand master of the Order of
Speaker 3: the Trapazoid. It's associated was set right, It's an order
Speaker 3: within the Temple of set If I didn't say it earlier,
Speaker 3: But here's here's the quote he said in regards to
Speaker 3: the Trapezoid. In that order, he said, it is consecrated
Speaker 3: as an order of knighthood dedicated to the Prince of
Speaker 3: Darkness and to the protection of the Black Flame. Oh
Speaker 3: so those are you know, That's what he said in
Speaker 3: a public interview.
Speaker 2: So it's like, but what princes are they talking about?
Speaker 3: That would be my quest.
Speaker 7: I would would try and see if you see any correlation,
Speaker 7: because if we take the garments what we have beneath
Speaker 7: in terms of the search for this particular kind of
Speaker 7: knowledge of several would you compare the taking the extremism?
Speaker 7: Of course, I'm just talking about the search for knowledge
Speaker 7: from the templars to the Nazis. You think they followed
Speaker 7: on their steps where they looked the fact that they
Speaker 7: took every single castle, every single monument that had been
Speaker 7: built on the places that they were controlling.
Speaker 2: Who's who is that? Director to Ricardo?
Speaker 4: Sorry?
Speaker 7: Sorry? I think what was that for?
Speaker 2: Tim? Oh?
Speaker 7: You can be for either.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well, I think what was happening here with
Speaker 3: these castles that you know, like Vivelsburg goes back that
Speaker 3: said to go back to the first century, eight e
Speaker 3: and then et cetera. I think what you're seeing here
Speaker 3: is the castles. Weren't the castles, in my opinion, for
Speaker 3: the most part, go back to older pagan sites.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they do, they do, and.
Speaker 3: They're there in lies the magic if you will.
Speaker 7: No, No, I don't doubt that. My main research is
Speaker 7: dedicated to that, so are those sites were just from
Speaker 7: the megalethic times. They were just repurposed and amplified or
Speaker 7: altered according to each one's ideology or functionality.
Speaker 3: In mind, everybody in the know wants to use these sites,
Speaker 3: like that's why the Catholics came through and put their
Speaker 3: cathedrals right on top of the pagan sites.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but in the case of the cathedrals is different
Speaker 7: because the function is very specific. While the megalids would
Speaker 7: use the energy for the inside of the structure and
Speaker 7: would spread it to the outside, creating this paradise areas
Speaker 7: the Church, what they did is they create structures that
Speaker 7: concentrates all that energy or ninety five ninety percent of
Speaker 7: that energy inside the structure for their own purposes. So,
Speaker 7: and you can see this in the archaeocoustic studies. One
Speaker 7: of the most documented is the one in a lottery.
Speaker 7: And the one in a lottery was built after they
Speaker 7: raised down a megalithic structure, and then the Romans did
Speaker 7: something there and then came the Christians and built that
Speaker 7: massive building there is there now that concentrates all of
Speaker 7: the most of the energy of the site. That is
Speaker 7: huge on that site. That's why it's so huge that
Speaker 7: still on that whole city, the people still have the
Speaker 7: mind connections because once you go through one of the
Speaker 7: nine gates, it has magnetic portals that the scientists detected.
Speaker 7: The tunes your brain to one hundred and ten hertz,
Speaker 7: so everyone has the brain tuned to the same frequency
Speaker 7: and is often to people to get ideas from other
Speaker 7: people or have hallucinations or hear the others people thinking.
Speaker 7: And that's the place where that is quite occurring. But
Speaker 7: that's because it's a very powerful place in terms of
Speaker 7: energy production because it's right on top has that riverband
Speaker 7: has on top of faults, fault lines that create a
Speaker 7: constant NCO vibration. So they chose that those sites because
Speaker 7: they have been chosen before. They just have to repurpose them.
Speaker 7: Whatever the ideology is in question.
Speaker 2: Well, I think what you said was really interesting, but
Speaker 2: I also agree with you Ricardo, But I would say
Speaker 2: that perhaps it's like just a difference in kabalistic preference.
Speaker 2: Like I think the Catholic Church they prefer their own system.
Speaker 2: They like, they like an institution, they like Matt's Ock,
Speaker 2: so it's very like the Fortress, or.
Speaker 7: If they don't see it as something that was built
Speaker 7: with the purpose to create the illusion of contact or
Speaker 7: the reality of contact with the divine plead people not
Speaker 7: only to follow the face as to give everything they
Speaker 7: had to that faith because the effect was palpable and existent.
Speaker 7: So if you see it from their perspective, they take
Speaker 7: the benefits from the occultism that they can practice in
Speaker 7: these sites, and at the same time they have a
Speaker 7: system that makes people have these sensations that creates devotion
Speaker 7: and the generosity to give everything they have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's definitely one perspective of it. I
Speaker 2: think that it's interesting because the original contract temples are
Speaker 2: high paid roll, so obviously that just means open to
Speaker 2: the sky. So because like the stars can fall down,
Speaker 2: that's kind of the joke, so you know, it's like
Speaker 2: so that theikinis can come down, So it's like it's
Speaker 2: direct access to knowledge. Or sometimes they say if you're
Speaker 2: good enough for a pasta, you can fly away. But no,
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think there are just different I
Speaker 2: personally in it, just to different ideas, like what is
Speaker 2: your cosmogical preference? Like obviously in the church they like
Speaker 2: to push you through like the stages of resecutionism. If
Speaker 2: you want to say, it's like the thirteen Stations of
Speaker 2: the Cross. That's probably a great metaphor. I think Saint
Speaker 2: Loyola also uses that metaphor. So you're like pushing through
Speaker 2: those gateways of like where they want you to go.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like they in quotes, but you know, maybe
Speaker 2: it actually makes metaphysical sense. I would argue that Pico
Speaker 2: della Mirandola makes a great case for why Christian Kaula
Speaker 2: makes a great deal of sense. I don't know, just
Speaker 2: an idea, but I don't disagree with you in any
Speaker 2: way we're going to.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying that they will used for different things
Speaker 7: and by different new ideologies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were. It is when it comes to some
Speaker 3: of the Gothic cathedrals. The people who built those were
Speaker 3: said that they were trying to achieve frozen music in
Speaker 3: the structure of the cathedrals.
Speaker 7: And this goes back to the it's called standing waves
Speaker 7: by science.
Speaker 3: I like that it goes back to like this curious
Speaker 3: case of Saint Bernard of Clairvaux around eleven hundred a d.
Speaker 3: He commissioned the first Gothic cathedrals be built, and if
Speaker 3: you go and study those cathedrals today, and you if
Speaker 3: you studied any kind of esoteric literature, what you're going
Speaker 3: to see is that there's alchemy and occultism engraved and
Speaker 3: and built into and in the architecture itself of these
Speaker 3: Gothic temples.
Speaker 7: The question every single detail.
Speaker 3: Chief Yeah, and that they're deriving from I think the
Speaker 3: older the older the mystery schools for lack of a
Speaker 3: better term.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the technology is the same, and the question is is.
Speaker 3: Like, how did how did Bernard of Clairvaux finance the
Speaker 3: whole thing? And it's like some people have suggested that
Speaker 3: perhaps he was such an adept in alchemy that he
Speaker 3: was able to turn lead into gold and and and thing.
Speaker 7: There were a lot of people, well, these groups are
Speaker 7: all interested in starting experimenting and get results with these
Speaker 7: kind of structures. If you look into work of Fulcanaley,
Speaker 7: for instance, you'll see that there were some very practical
Speaker 7: purposes within these buildings that what you were describing that
Speaker 7: I never heard before. And it's perfect that frozen music.
Speaker 7: It's because these structures, as the megaletic sites are built,
Speaker 7: all of the characteristics of the mineralogy use, or the
Speaker 7: stones use the geometry of the place the fact that
Speaker 7: they are constructed in four thirds that reflects the four
Speaker 7: thirts when the music is introduced or the frequency is
Speaker 7: introduced into these sites, what they call frozen music is
Speaker 7: what science today calls the standing wave. And the standing
Speaker 7: wave is when the effects that create these altered states
Speaker 7: of mind start to happen. So it's also what allows
Speaker 7: to create acoustic livitation, because that's what we're doing today.
Speaker 7: We can create these standing waves that has these notes
Speaker 7: stopped in time, and they could put stuff into these notes,
Speaker 7: and this stuff doesn't fall to the ground, It's stuck
Speaker 7: there because the wave is like the wave is constant,
Speaker 7: it's not going anywhere. It's a constant wave. So this
Speaker 7: creates quantum coupling and this activates the trillions by inch
Speaker 7: that stone have of quartz kristles that are the depositories
Speaker 7: of not only the energy caused the information. And because
Speaker 7: these structures are built to reflect the sound, is the
Speaker 7: reflection of that sound from one place to another that
Speaker 7: eventually after that's why they create these pipe organs to
Speaker 7: create exactly that effect. Is they create these standing waves
Speaker 7: by the introduction of these three different types of sounds
Speaker 7: that science called the tridental frequencies, that is the ultra
Speaker 7: low frequency or infrafrequent infrasound, the sound that we can hear,
Speaker 7: and then the ultrasonic waves. Just recently, I've been looking
Speaker 7: into a church that has no reason whatsoever, no reason
Speaker 7: to have invested more than fifty thousand dollars in speakers
Speaker 7: that no one can hear. It's a massive speakers that
Speaker 7: they put on the church just to increase the infrasound
Speaker 7: during certain ceremonies. So there's no reason because no one
Speaker 7: can hear them, right, but they enhance in a certain
Speaker 7: way these standing waves that they are using for their
Speaker 7: rituals when the church is closed. Obviously, probably even in
Speaker 7: the underground of these structures. So these things. They are
Speaker 7: still playing with these things today. This is something that
Speaker 7: they've been trying to accomplish or being accomplishing for at
Speaker 7: least five hundred or six hundred years. They know how
Speaker 7: the technology works. They just can't go to an ancient
Speaker 7: megalytic site and start doing dances or things that people
Speaker 7: will notice. Obviously, they need a private splace that they
Speaker 7: could close the door and have the same effects.
Speaker 3: There's a movie that came out a couple of years
Speaker 3: ago where they had. They used infrasound in the movie.
Speaker 3: Of course you can't hear it audibly, but it's there,
Speaker 3: and that whole movie had a I watched it before
Speaker 3: I even knew about the infrasound part, and it had
Speaker 3: an effect on you that was like tense and stressful.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I.
Speaker 3: Think it's how you tune it though, right, you could
Speaker 3: probably tune the infrasound to you.
Speaker 7: And it's very it's very simple. Four herts is infrasund.
Speaker 7: If you use four herds in an uncompressed environment or
Speaker 7: in an incompressed signal, you create a state of bliss.
Speaker 7: But if you compress those four herds, you create a
Speaker 7: sensation of stress, of discomfort, of constant awareness something is
Speaker 7: not right. Your body is constantly giving you this it's
Speaker 7: not well. And if you push it even harder, and
Speaker 7: that's what places like this Groparello Castle did that the
Speaker 7: Romans tested it. It creates such a powerful infrasound wave
Speaker 7: that it wasn't conquered for six hundred years. The troops
Speaker 7: just couldn't get to the gates because they went mad.
Speaker 7: You have loss of limb control, you have madness, you
Speaker 7: have hallucinations. So They used very little on that movie,
Speaker 7: because if they increased that, they could create all these states.
Speaker 7: This has been done in labs in universities for many
Speaker 7: years now and they know exactly what each frequency causes
Speaker 7: to people. So the Russians tested this on I keep
Speaker 7: saying this. The Russians tested this system on a war.
Speaker 7: The problem is it affected everyone, so they couldn't direct.
Speaker 7: They tested on the field and everyone gone mad. So
Speaker 7: there's no war if no one fights, so they gave
Speaker 7: up the idea. But the Romans tested they amplified in Groparelo,
Speaker 7: they built even a bigger tower. They tested this system,
Speaker 7: see this replicated in ballback. For some reason, they tried
Speaker 7: to install this there, but they use it perhaps too
Speaker 7: much because you see that the tower imploded. So either
Speaker 7: they use it too much and exploded the tower by
Speaker 7: the vibrations because they're using this huge reservoir or a
Speaker 7: mother of water that is underground next to the tower
Speaker 7: that it's still there the tower fall, but the water
Speaker 7: hyput gm filled with water is still there where they
Speaker 7: create the resonance that go feed them through the tower
Speaker 7: to create this bubble of sound. And might be an
Speaker 7: explanation why that tower exploded, and many other structures that
Speaker 7: we see have imploded from the inside. As archaeologists say
Speaker 7: that they have no justification on how that happened.
Speaker 2: Stars always self combust Yes, that's how we would describe
Speaker 2: the Unbuddhism, that exact phenomenon that you're saying like it's
Speaker 2: I even know the beach. I even thought of it
Speaker 2: when you were speaking. I wasn't doing magic or anything.
Speaker 2: I was just when you're saying, it's like, I think
Speaker 2: the same thing. You're just describing it like with a
Speaker 2: little more science.
Speaker 5: But you don't understand, you know something you had said,
Speaker 5: ah Ricardo, with this whole like this box. I think
Speaker 5: you said that however, they were making this frequency to
Speaker 5: drive people crazy. That had made me think about something
Speaker 5: I had to listen to a while ago. Whether I
Speaker 5: can't remember the exact I guess war infections, but there
Speaker 5: was like these two kind of like castles in this
Speaker 5: sense or more of towers. They were both on opposite
Speaker 5: sides of some.
Speaker 4: Body of water. I can't remember that either, but.
Speaker 5: It was you know, they were there and they you know,
Speaker 5: supposedly like we're fine for a while. They never went
Speaker 5: to war or anything, but they both were making it known.
Speaker 4: That were looking at you or watching each other, you know.
Speaker 5: And at some point they said they did go to war,
Speaker 5: and they said, for some reason, they don't, you know,
Speaker 5: they assumed that it must have been I guess, you know,
Speaker 5: the people in there must have been such great fighters.
Speaker 5: But they said, like the war was basically over, the
Speaker 5: land was still conquered in that place. For some reason,
Speaker 5: they could just not take it over. And I'm like,
Speaker 5: what if they had one of those machines on in there,
Speaker 5: what if they use some of these things as outposts,
Speaker 5: and it's like, you're just not gonna get to us,
Speaker 5: because you're just gonna go fucking crazy when you come nearest.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So you have that example that I already told
Speaker 7: you about Alexander the Great, when you tried to conquer
Speaker 7: the city of Gore. There is a circular city that
Speaker 7: has point six of a mile in diameter, no defensive
Speaker 7: structures around it, just a tower that is still there today,
Speaker 7: a huge tower in the middle of the city. And
Speaker 7: so from the top of this huge valley, Alexander the
Speaker 7: Great from the cliff, ordered the first wave of soldiers
Speaker 7: to take that because it's just a small city with
Speaker 7: no defense, right, they were expecting them to surrender. But
Speaker 7: the soldiers never get there. They start fighting with one another,
Speaker 7: they start losing the weapons on the ground and starting
Speaker 7: running all over the place. They couldn't conquer it. The
Speaker 7: fact that he didn't try a second wave of soldiers
Speaker 7: tells me that you already knew what was up. Yeah,
Speaker 7: because because we have records. Yeah, we have records of
Speaker 7: Alexander Great commissioning the construction of these towers to what's
Speaker 7: the name of the fellow, the fellow that the crusades
Speaker 7: were supposed to find, Saint.
Speaker 2: John.
Speaker 7: No, No, what's the name of the fellow? So this
Speaker 7: is this is this fellow supposedly owned a huge country
Speaker 7: in Moorish Territory, and they wanted Saint Peter's Sorry, Saint
Speaker 7: dear lord, I can't remember. Prestor John, Jesus, I got there.
Speaker 7: I got there. Sorry, So all right, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 7: So there is a letter, a letter at least saying that, yes,
Speaker 7: Alexander the Great commissioned Preston John the construction of several
Speaker 7: towers that would limit his newly conquered land on Asia
Speaker 7: to protect it from the inhabitants and creatures. Of the
Speaker 7: land of Magogue, right, and the towers didn't have walls,
Speaker 7: it was just towers, and so these towers would produce
Speaker 7: something that didn't allow these giants and these scrypted creatures
Speaker 7: to go and pass through into Alexander's territory. And because
Speaker 7: this precedes the event of the city of Gore, I
Speaker 7: believe that he recognized the technology, and so what he
Speaker 7: decided to do was to flood the whole valley. So
Speaker 7: he broke the dam that was allowing the valley to
Speaker 7: be a fertile ground, and he flooded the whole city
Speaker 7: and he remained flooded for six hundred years until it
Speaker 7: had been the dam was built again by another chikh
Speaker 7: that took over the city and six months later guess
Speaker 7: he was now from a sma all she he was
Speaker 7: the king of three quarters of the land of the
Speaker 7: Heat country, So something he learned there for sure.
Speaker 1: If I may tie this into a big boat. You
Speaker 1: were talking about the pygmies when you were talking about
Speaker 1: the cave systems. You talked about well units cave SYSM,
Speaker 1: but we were talking about the children that emerged. They
Speaker 1: were green. You're talking about sights on Europe that are
Speaker 1: impenetrable through two conquerors. Also to tie in some of
Speaker 1: the specific places in Europe where most occultists were congregate,
Speaker 1: usually in castles like Rudolph the Holy Roman Emperor in Prague.
Speaker 7: And Cinra in Portugal and CenTra.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: That's another one. The Earth itself emids its own electromagnetic spectrum,
Speaker 1: usually radiation, but red wavelength is included in there. So
Speaker 1: if you look at some of these cave systems, you think, well,
Speaker 1: how can life exist down there? You know, you see
Speaker 1: a lot of lichen, you see a lot of cinobacteria,
Speaker 1: and you see a lot of algae. They feed on
Speaker 1: red electromagnetic or this section of electromagnetic spectrum that's in
Speaker 1: the red right, u V radio waves, radiation, all infrared,
Speaker 1: and all that other stuff. If the children were eating
Speaker 1: cinobacteria and algae, they probably would push out a color green, right,
Speaker 1: because they're eating a lot of you know, they no
Speaker 1: longer need the green. And that's kind of how we
Speaker 1: or plants emit green because they don't need the greens.
Speaker 1: But if you can concentrate some UV or radiation in
Speaker 1: certain sites like in Europe or on a castle or
Speaker 1: on top of an entrance to a tunnel, let's build
Speaker 1: a castle, or flooded you could potentially create somewhat of
Speaker 1: a brier where it's impenetrable because you just do toation
Speaker 1: that is being emitted out of the ground on this location.
Speaker 1: So that could if you were it would be interesting
Speaker 1: if you were go to these sites to measure how
Speaker 1: much electromagnetic in the red spectrum is being emitted from
Speaker 1: that whole.
Speaker 2: Well, stly.
Speaker 3: As may I just solved the mystery of what the
Speaker 3: Great Wall of China was for.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting you say that, Tim, because geomancy, Chinese
Speaker 2: geomancy is exactly like what Lisa is saying, like there
Speaker 2: are remedy, not remedies, but they're whatever you could call them,
Speaker 2: geomantic solutions to both auspicious and inauspicious conditions, as well
Speaker 2: as changing sort of the nature of the landscape with
Speaker 2: the things you build on it. So this is like
Speaker 2: a key idea in Chinese cryptography and like Daoism in general.
Speaker 2: But then also like what Ricardo was saying, I was
Speaker 2: like the it always comes down to nets a and
Speaker 2: like what Lisa was saying, it's like the it's the
Speaker 2: green that's self illuminating. So it's like jade in a way. Right,
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not actually jade, but there's something luminescent or
Speaker 2: phosphorescent about that copperating process that when it turns to green,
Speaker 2: the oxidae oxidization excuse me happens and then that it
Speaker 2: feeds on the red ray.
Speaker 5: So it's like, that's the relationship. That's the relationship with you.
Speaker 5: I was like, Yo, maybe that's the relationship. How whatever
Speaker 5: you Again, I've said this a million times. Whatever you make, tellus,
Speaker 5: Because there's the colors you're mixing. If you use net
Speaker 5: SoC you're gonna use a little bit of a jigobora
Speaker 5: right in there, and if you use you're gonna use
Speaker 5: a little bit of nets a green in there. Maybe
Speaker 5: that has something to do with that relationship of why
Speaker 5: it's used cabalistically.
Speaker 2: I agree, yeah, I agree, that's under percent.
Speaker 1: The other thing to add to this, I guess equation
Speaker 1: or whatever. Remember that a lot of the very sacred
Speaker 1: site in North America America specifically or the United States, sorry,
Speaker 1: National parks were established on these areas, and usually they
Speaker 1: sit either on the entrance or a top cave systems,
Speaker 1: especially in Texas. I do know in Texas there is
Speaker 1: a cave system that goes pretty deep and it was
Speaker 1: discovered by the Army Corps of Engineers when they were
Speaker 1: building some of the highway systems. They wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that the ground was going to be sound. They
Speaker 1: dropped a drill and it just kept going and so
Speaker 1: they found some sort of way in and it's this
Speaker 1: entire cavern system with its own water, and it even
Speaker 1: illuminates a little bit. The water does because they've turned
Speaker 1: off the lights when you go in there as a
Speaker 1: tour whatever, and there is a little bit of an
Speaker 1: illumination or whatever. But I mean, I think the government
Speaker 1: does know. I think that they have these maps, you know,
Speaker 1: privy to them. It's just interesting that you're placing national
Speaker 1: parks on top of these types of structures or earth
Speaker 1: type structures.
Speaker 7: So like the reservations for the Indians correct. Well, I
Speaker 7: can say that the speleologists that are looking into this
Speaker 7: tunnel systems in Austria and the others that looked in
Speaker 7: the UK, they all report that somehow there is some
Speaker 7: kind of light on these tunnels that they can't explain.
Speaker 7: So it is like the children said, like a very
Speaker 7: faint twilight, but there is light where it shouldn't be.
Speaker 7: They don't go deep into that, but they do mention
Speaker 7: that there is a system on the more shallow tunnels.
Speaker 7: There is a system that goes through the crevices of
Speaker 7: the rocks that somehow goes through and gives this small
Speaker 7: lights that once you are used to it allows you
Speaker 7: at least to don't bang your head on the wall.
Speaker 7: But it's strange because you shouldn't see absolutely anything in it.
Speaker 7: And that brings me to how were these cave paintings
Speaker 7: done when we don't find any hr on the ceiling
Speaker 7: of these caves? So how did they they eliminate to
Speaker 7: do these precise paintings that are all in scale that
Speaker 7: they are incredible? So how did they do it? Not
Speaker 7: in the dark? For sure?
Speaker 3: I heard that Greg little doctor Greg Little episode. You
Speaker 3: guys did phenomenal episode, But wasn't Greg. Towards the end
Speaker 3: they're saying something about you can strike two crystals together
Speaker 3: and create light. Maybe it's yeah, maybe in water or something.
Speaker 7: No, no, no turbable luminoscence. So what happens is you,
Speaker 7: well they're too far away, you grab two pieces of
Speaker 7: quartz or any crystal and you just do this as
Speaker 7: soon as you do this, they will both glow because
Speaker 7: any type of friction will create this surbable luminiscence in
Speaker 7: the crystals. So I even presume that they the specialists
Speaker 7: on this say that I'm wrong, but I presume that
Speaker 7: it's a much better system than the use of smoke
Speaker 7: to use these smoke signals, because what you see is
Speaker 7: these mounds are all or used to be all connected
Speaker 7: by horizon lines, so they would be very distant but
Speaker 7: still visible from the top of one mount to the
Speaker 7: top of the next, and they communicate communication. Yeah, so
Speaker 7: to me, it's much more visible considering the amount of
Speaker 7: quartz that is now being reported in every single archaeological paper,
Speaker 7: that the ground is filled of flakes of quartz, that
Speaker 7: they would go to these high places and they create
Speaker 7: a language with single or that they had a signal
Speaker 7: language they could use as we use the Morse code,
Speaker 7: because light can be used in the same way as
Speaker 7: pressing a button. So by using this turbo l in
Speaker 7: a sense, they would create this fast array of crystal
Speaker 7: dust that we see everywhere in flakes of crystal or quarks,
Speaker 7: and it would be a viable way of communicating.
Speaker 3: But I like that I like that because they also
Speaker 3: found micah in some of these mounds, and micah is reflective.
Speaker 3: But that would only work during the day. At night,
Speaker 3: you would need to rope these crystals.
Speaker 7: Together, sure, exactly, especially during the night. During the day
Speaker 7: you cannot see them at distance, you cannot see us.
Speaker 5: Well, that's interesting. I wonder if that would almost sound
Speaker 5: like a pulse like a light.
Speaker 7: Well you can. You can watch people doing it on
Speaker 7: YouTube if you want to. You just look for the
Speaker 7: triple luminiscence. I think that's the way it's called. And
Speaker 7: you see there is at least three or four guys
Speaker 7: showing how it works, and you can see it on
Speaker 7: camera with the lights on, so it does work. I
Speaker 7: don't do it with mine because they this is very
Speaker 7: brittle material and if they would flake very easily.
Speaker 3: But the way doctor greg Little made it was you
Speaker 3: could illuminate a room by doing this.
Speaker 7: Hmm, well it is. It is in my in my book,
Speaker 7: I do explore a chapter where how to create lights
Speaker 7: from stone. So we know that if we press a
Speaker 7: cylinder of granite with just a few lines of crystal
Speaker 7: crystal matrix embedded on the stone. So a week on
Speaker 7: on Quarte if you press it with a hydraulic press
Speaker 7: and the lights are deemed, you see the stone lighting
Speaker 7: up through the veins of the crystal because of the pressure.
Speaker 7: This is called piezo electric effect because of the pressure.
Speaker 7: So in these huge cave structures with a reasonable resonance
Speaker 7: that will create a different type of pressure on the crystal.
Speaker 7: There is acoustic pressure instead of being piazzo electric pressure.
Speaker 7: So both of them combined can create the crystals to
Speaker 7: glow in this mild weak luminoscence constantly. Right. I think
Speaker 7: that's one of the explanations to do it. But the
Speaker 7: fact that all of these cultures have an obsession with
Speaker 7: music with sound shows me that that was an integral
Speaker 7: part of every single process. So they might even know
Speaker 7: how to say words that whose frequency by acquire or
Speaker 7: by the determined types of pitches of voice can put
Speaker 7: the crystal to vibrate. So it's like a singer can
Speaker 7: vibrate a glass to break it. It's the same principle
Speaker 7: just used differently. Let me give you an example. The
Speaker 7: hagar Kin in Malta temple has these images of these
Speaker 7: very fat ladies that were called the sirens, and through
Speaker 7: the resonance of the structure. They could sing to the structure,
Speaker 7: inquire and create either the madness of the sailors or
Speaker 7: attract them to land. Again, the compressed sound or the
Speaker 7: uncompressed sound is the same thing. So all these legends
Speaker 7: about sirens that drive men to drive men to madness
Speaker 7: is reported as being these special ladies with this special voice,
Speaker 7: very powerful, that were placed in specific places on these temples,
Speaker 7: like the Hagard Queen that is built like an eight
Speaker 7: hundred and thirty three megahertz antenna exactly the same way,
Speaker 7: but in Stone, and there's images of this women there
Speaker 7: with their mouths singing, and there's the tales of the
Speaker 7: sirens as they are described there that would bring men
Speaker 7: to madness or to or the land. So it's an
Speaker 7: ancient system of a lighthouse, if you want to call it,
Speaker 7: but it could be used for different things. Because sixty
Speaker 7: kilometers away or forty miles perhaps thirty seven miles away
Speaker 7: outside the horizon, there is this little island called Lampadusa,
Speaker 7: and in this island there is a small semicircular structure
Speaker 7: there is pointed exactly to hagar Quinn. So the guy
Speaker 7: that did this test was wondering, so could I send
Speaker 7: a sound message through this temple to the island of Lampdusa,
Speaker 7: all these miles along the sea on the other side,
Speaker 7: and he tried to reproduce the idea and it works.
Speaker 7: The problem is how to justify sound going across the
Speaker 7: Mediterranean for sixty kilometers and so this is another discipline
Speaker 7: that shows that when sound is projected over water, you
Speaker 7: see sound as a wave. Right sound is like this,
Speaker 7: and with distance the wave is becoming shallower and shallower.
Speaker 7: That's why the volume decreases and the information is lost.
Speaker 7: But when it's going through a medium that is constantly cooling,
Speaker 7: there is constantly cold. That's the expression. The sound is
Speaker 7: automatically recompressed. So it reaches this semi circular on Lampadusa
Speaker 7: with the same volume that it left the mainland in Malta.
Speaker 7: The same thing is watchable from West Kennet Long Barrow
Speaker 7: and West Kennett Short Barrow, where two structures that are
Speaker 7: two hundred meters apart or six hundred and sixty five
Speaker 7: feet apart, with no connection whatsoever. You speak in one
Speaker 7: of the chambers and you are listened with the exact
Speaker 7: same volume on the other chamber. There is this six
Speaker 7: hundred and sixty feet feet away that no one can
Speaker 7: explain how it happens, so they will wear aware how
Speaker 7: to use this kind of technology. And this is what
Speaker 7: to future the other cultures and occultists and all that
Speaker 7: came after used ever since.
Speaker 2: That's very coobl Let's se like what you described Ricardo
Speaker 2: and Nick was saying about the like looking at the
Speaker 2: flash of light through the cave system. That's like a
Speaker 2: way that some callis, especially medieval ones described like the klipa,
Speaker 2: and like how a light travels through the tree of
Speaker 2: night or tree of death or whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it, because that's just aggregates, right, this is a
Speaker 2: stone vessel that's all supposed to be. It's supposed to
Speaker 2: be like a temporary thing you construct. So like some
Speaker 2: things similar to what you're saying, in fact, it's like
Speaker 2: you know that you lose in transmission, and this in
Speaker 2: this case not through space but through time. People forget
Speaker 2: how to use it.
Speaker 7: Well, we certainly have, because only these organizations kept the knowledge,
Speaker 7: and I'm not sure they were quite well aware of
Speaker 7: all of the knowledge when they started.
Speaker 3: I think it's encoded in some of these chapels that
Speaker 3: we talked about cathedrals from earlier. There was a there
Speaker 3: was something I was reading up on. It's it's an
Speaker 3: older cathedral out in Spain and the mural. They found
Speaker 3: that the mural in the chapel had symbolism that was
Speaker 3: representative of notes and music. And if you knew how
Speaker 3: to read it, you're not just looking at a picture
Speaker 3: that an artist conceptualize. You looking at a music written
Speaker 3: out in a change that we just don't quite understand.
Speaker 3: But it's there's more to it, because this is it's
Speaker 3: not just a tune. It's not just something indigenous that
Speaker 3: they want to remember. There's something sacred and powerful about
Speaker 3: the music. It's there's a frequency involved for a purpose,
Speaker 3: to use for a purpose.
Speaker 7: That's why you have specific composers chosen to write specific
Speaker 7: musics to specific chapels, churches, and what's the name of
Speaker 7: the big ones, the cathedrals. So like Bach, for for instance, Bach,
Speaker 7: the music of Bach is not on the frequency that
Speaker 7: we listen to music today. They use the old frequency
Speaker 7: that I can't remember the exact number, but it was different.
Speaker 7: So let me give you an example. Remember I talked
Speaker 7: to you about the tridental frequencies. So the sarch frequency.
Speaker 7: So the first one is given by the earth itself,
Speaker 7: it comes from the human resonance. The second frequency is
Speaker 7: introduced by human means, and the search frequency is produced
Speaker 7: by the site itself. So what happens in this church's
Speaker 7: cathedrals megallytic sites is the final music that is listening.
Speaker 7: It's not what being introduced, but it's what the site
Speaker 7: is producing on its own. From these two basic frequencies,
Speaker 7: there is another layer of music on top of that,
Speaker 7: and I think what you find encrypted on that church
Speaker 7: is the third level of music, which means that if
Speaker 7: you can hear it, you achieved you got the code.
Speaker 7: That's not the code, but that's what results from using
Speaker 7: the correct tune to get that music from the site itself.
Speaker 7: That's why you see on these megalytic size on our churches.
Speaker 7: You see these basins of water that they call the
Speaker 7: baptismal basins, right, But if you look at the baptismal basins,
Speaker 7: some of them are actually baptismal basins. They are in
Speaker 7: places that are irrelevant. But when you see one of
Speaker 7: these thinks, that is huge. When you see one of
Speaker 7: these thinks that is not put just onto the ground,
Speaker 7: but it's on the mother rock where the church was
Speaker 7: built or has a slab of stone that allows it
Speaker 7: to be in contact with the mother the rock bed
Speaker 7: of the place. And then these basins are filled with
Speaker 7: water that when subjected to subjected to these frequencies, becomes
Speaker 7: living water that science later called as structured water and
Speaker 7: now is calling easy water. So this easy water, it
Speaker 7: transforms like a gel. It can absorb knowledge or information.
Speaker 7: It serves the purpose of being a highly detailed sematic device.
Speaker 7: So when I see all these water basins placed in
Speaker 7: megallytic sites and in churches, I see that they were
Speaker 7: using these basins as a chimatic device to know that
Speaker 7: they are using the right frequency. That's why you see
Speaker 7: in these megallytic sites these drawings of spirals or different
Speaker 7: representations of could be sound waves that are just what
Speaker 7: we see in symatic experiences. So do you know that
Speaker 7: you are using the correct functionality by using the correct
Speaker 7: frequency by what you're seeing in the basin of water
Speaker 7: and in churches you see the same thing. So they're
Speaker 7: using the exact same technology that the megaletic world used,
Speaker 7: using the same places that they use, only for different purposes.
Speaker 2: So Ricardo, I thought you were teasing me for a second,
Speaker 2: but then I was like, no, Ricardo doesn't like, he
Speaker 2: doesn't know, he's not teasing me. So I thought of this,
Speaker 2: this is exactly what you described. It's like as the treshial.
Speaker 2: It's when it's opened, the prongs are open. So the
Speaker 2: three prongs, I know, this one looks like it has five,
Speaker 2: but it's actually three. But it's used to dispel outer
Speaker 2: disharmonies into space. That's exactly how it's described in the
Speaker 2: Saudma that you do. So there's an idea that it
Speaker 2: controls like the elemental forces, but it draws down the
Speaker 2: energy when it's open like this, when the trident is open,
Speaker 2: it draws the energy. When the trident is closed, the
Speaker 2: other side will also be in the same it'll mirror it,
Speaker 2: so it be like a double So it's like the
Speaker 2: infinite generation of energy between the poles, you could say,
Speaker 2: where this is simply drawing it down to the Earth.
Speaker 2: So that's why I just want to show you that
Speaker 2: I thought it was cool.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's perfect because that is a perfect explanation
Speaker 7: of what happens or what is still happening today on
Speaker 7: Osari's shift, because the Asari's shift is the only place
Speaker 7: that I watch that is completely autonomous. It doesn't need
Speaker 7: human introduction of frequency because they created three vertical shafts
Speaker 7: that are not included in Ziwa's design of the structure,
Speaker 7: but was included after by GRP studying. So you have
Speaker 7: three and connected cavities, so rectangular imagine a rectangular pillar,
Speaker 7: but on the how should I say it, on the
Speaker 7: opposite sense, So it's carved like a pillar. It's a vacuum,
Speaker 7: a place with just a space open. And there are
Speaker 7: three of them, like three chimneys that are rectangular that
Speaker 7: they have no entrance and no exit. They're just there.
Speaker 7: And these three cavities are what cause the fact that
Speaker 7: they don't need human intervention because they are constantly creating
Speaker 7: a signal with this three empty spaces that creates a
Speaker 7: specific frequency that adds to the human resonance and then
Speaker 7: adds to the resonance of the place itself as it
Speaker 7: resonates and creates the standing waves constantly. That's why on
Speaker 7: the bottom you know that it's active because on the
Speaker 7: bottom the water is still easy water, it's still living water.
Speaker 7: It doesn't allow impurities. And we've discussed this here before
Speaker 7: and Lisa has explained it better than me. That's why
Speaker 7: we know it's still active. And that's and from the
Speaker 7: paper I created about it, you can see that if
Speaker 7: it was used for medical assistance, a person with a
Speaker 7: broken leg within one of these granite boxes on the
Speaker 7: second level will recover forty percent faster than with the
Speaker 7: most modern system that we have today.
Speaker 3: So I was looking up gods who use the trident
Speaker 3: or gods that are depicted holding a trident, and I
Speaker 3: thought it was Daygone, so I looked at him first.
Speaker 3: It's not. It's actually Neptune, the Roman god of the
Speaker 3: Sea of the But Dagone enters, interestingly enough, is depicted
Speaker 3: holding one of those handbags, and I would argue that
Speaker 3: this is symbolism that you see you you mentioned ball back.
Speaker 3: You do see the god Dagone with ball back, you know.
Speaker 3: And because you mentioned ballbeck as being one of these
Speaker 3: cities who was using this like defensive infrasound, right because
Speaker 3: of a tower emploded there. So all that to say,
Speaker 3: what this suggests to me is that these people had
Speaker 3: advanced antiquitech. They knew how to use tridents and infrasound.
Speaker 7: It's awesome, sure, sure, look It's very easy to figure
Speaker 7: this out. When do we imagine it when you see
Speaker 7: those tuning forks where you hit one of the tuning
Speaker 7: forks and the other one that is of the same
Speaker 7: frequency starts to vibrate without anyone touching it, right, have
Speaker 7: you seen it? Yes, So this site used the same
Speaker 7: principle these ancient megalytic sites, no matter where they are
Speaker 7: in the world. The difference is they would not resonance
Speaker 7: as the tuning force because they are not close enough
Speaker 7: for the sound to reach there. But by creating the
Speaker 7: same frequency in different places on the Earth, but creating
Speaker 7: the exact same frequency with these tridental frequencies, you can
Speaker 7: put the sites resonating at the exact same vibration tune,
Speaker 7: and that eliminates the difference between time and space between them.
Speaker 7: That's how you can connect and how these people could
Speaker 7: interact with other communities, no matter if they are fifteen
Speaker 7: miles away or one hundred miles away. That's why the
Speaker 7: ceremonies are all done at the same time, because they
Speaker 7: would all share the same feeling no matter how distant
Speaker 7: they were from one another. And this is possible scientifically
Speaker 7: because there is a what is called the crystalline matrix
Speaker 7: of the crust. So through this crystalline matrix, this information
Speaker 7: goes about seventy seven kilometers per second. So the ceremonies,
Speaker 7: the further way they are, the longer they have to be.
Speaker 7: And you see that there are ceremonies that are last
Speaker 7: a few hours, there are ceremonies that last the whole day.
Speaker 7: There are ceremonies that the last three days. So could
Speaker 7: it be remnant of the fact that some distant places
Speaker 7: needed more time to create the same ceremony and they
Speaker 7: endure all that process of keeping singing almost to to
Speaker 7: to faint. I don't know, but it is a perspective,
Speaker 7: and there is a possibility that these sites were all
Speaker 7: connected at some point in time.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and you have the pyramids of South America
Speaker 3: that are many of them, see appear to be on
Speaker 3: a grid of some sort. They line up on a map.
Speaker 7: Yes, if you look at the big spaces of land
Speaker 7: as well, like you know, vast miles between you have
Speaker 7: you have to understand that only just if we pick
Speaker 7: only the astronomical knowledge, right, just the astronomical knowledge, you
Speaker 7: need seventy two years to measure one degree of the sky.
Speaker 7: So how many times do you need to map the
Speaker 7: three hundred and sixty and do it again and again
Speaker 7: to make sure that your calculations are correct. How many
Speaker 7: generations are that? How many time did it take for
Speaker 7: the people to learn how to use these things? Or
Speaker 7: did anyone taught them to use these things? Because it's
Speaker 7: more likely than we see all this time pursuing once
Speaker 7: it would be lost today. You cannot imagine someone looking
Speaker 7: at the same problem for thirty generations.
Speaker 3: It's just yea. All the legends suggest that they were
Speaker 3: taught this information. In my opinion, sure.
Speaker 5: Ricardo, I want to ask you something, just real quick,
Speaker 5: on your opinion on something you're saying. You got me
Speaker 5: thinking about these churches and stuff, and I know I've
Speaker 5: seen personally in some churches their holy water will actually
Speaker 5: be like in a contained, like big container and it'll
Speaker 5: be taken from Do you think that will be affected
Speaker 5: from a certain specif frequencies being pumped in.
Speaker 7: There, if the container is putting, is put in, for instance,
Speaker 7: in a recess of stone, yes, or in between walls yes.
Speaker 7: If the container is of a specific type of glass, yes,
Speaker 7: That's why you see that. The older you go in
Speaker 7: these practices, they use actual crystal to hold these things
Speaker 7: because it would vibrate easier, not not just glass.
Speaker 5: That's interesting because did the I think when I covered
Speaker 5: that place that I did, the Catacombs in New York City,
Speaker 5: their thing they had a thing I think for holy
Speaker 5: water was actually in It was like basically carved into
Speaker 5: the wall like between That's interesting you just said.
Speaker 7: That normally they put it in on on recesses or
Speaker 7: between narrow places or walls.
Speaker 1: So it's to your point about the water neck and
Speaker 1: then out saying it's interesting that you're saying all this
Speaker 1: because we did the whole thing with the symbolism of
Speaker 1: I can't remember what we did. What we did with Teresa,
Speaker 1: it was the seashell and water and baptism. There was
Speaker 1: a lot of paintings showing that John the Baptist baptized
Speaker 1: Jesus using a seashell, and most baptismal basins in I
Speaker 1: believe European churches and some in Latin America still use
Speaker 1: that shape of a seashell. And so if you look
Speaker 1: at the at the contents of what a seashell is,
Speaker 1: it's calcium carbonate. And so when you look at some
Speaker 1: of these cave systems, especially in Texas. They are old,
Speaker 1: like multi million year old limestone leftover from old ancient
Speaker 1: coral reefs, which are calcium carbonate. And and when you
Speaker 1: look up how do you structure water? How do you
Speaker 1: make water? Calcium carbonate is used because it gives it
Speaker 1: such a high piece of electric and that and then
Speaker 1: with the Holy water, Yeah, if you put it in bet,
Speaker 1: calcium carbonate is used for a lot of building materials
Speaker 1: as well. It's stone, that's what I mean, left over stone. WoT.
Speaker 5: I don't know if people know this, but holy water
Speaker 5: is supposed to have Sultan it a lot of a
Speaker 5: lot of people resulting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's also interesting what you're saying, Nick, because
Speaker 2: and what Lisa is saying, like to synthesize it to
Speaker 2: it's if you look at the Mary Magdalen churches to
Speaker 2: bring it around all the way to a templar thing.
Speaker 2: The Mary Magdalen churches have the devil upholding a seashell,
Speaker 2: and it's Mary Magdalene like above the seashell like almost
Speaker 2: like a venus, right, and she does have red hair
Speaker 2: in the south of front. So that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 6: Then there's that famous painting of Aphrodite or Venus coming
Speaker 6: out of the seashell?
Speaker 7: Right, what exactly.
Speaker 2: Aphrodit What if that's actually like a little meta reference
Speaker 2: Mary Magdalen, Just so interesting idea.
Speaker 6: It makes you look at that painting totally different. Right
Speaker 6: now you can you can look at that in the
Speaker 6: whole symbol.
Speaker 7: Normally it's associated with the swan on one side, and
Speaker 7: I can't remember what's the animal on the other one.
Speaker 7: But the goddess has.
Speaker 2: A name.
Speaker 7: I can't remember. I can't remember the name of the goddess.
Speaker 6: May I ask if you remember the dimensions of the
Speaker 6: three shafts, if they're two that are similar, or all
Speaker 6: three are similar, if they're each different, if you remember.
Speaker 7: From my perspective, and you have to keep in mind
Speaker 7: that it was done with g RP. So sorry ground
Speaker 7: well you understood its ground penetry, ground penetrating writer, so GPR.
Speaker 7: You cannot exactly say where where they start and where
Speaker 7: they end, but they represented in the study as this
Speaker 7: being exactly the same.
Speaker 6: I was going to ask too, there's all these I
Speaker 6: feel like, forgive me for chopping and happiness, but I
Speaker 6: feel like there's all these legends of levitation inside the
Speaker 6: temple I wonder if you heard of anything like that
Speaker 6: relative to the healing and the defensive energy that you
Speaker 6: discussed earlier.
Speaker 7: Well, the chapter that the only chapter that I start
Speaker 7: in my book saying that I'm putting there the information
Speaker 7: because it's available and it's being tested by science. But
Speaker 7: is one that I there's so few information about it.
Speaker 7: It's exactly that, because apart from some tales as the
Speaker 7: English from the air force that was in Tibet and
Speaker 7: saw this group of monks carrying a huge block of
Speaker 7: stone up the hill, and they were using long like
Speaker 7: like those horns from Tibet that you see that make
Speaker 7: that very disturbing sound. So there were several of them
Speaker 7: using those horns and they were levitating the stone and
Speaker 7: taking uphill to the temple. Is it true, I don't know.
Speaker 7: But scientifically, if you put an object in a state
Speaker 7: of vibration, in a vibrational state, it can reach the
Speaker 7: point where it's no longer affected by the laws of physics.
Speaker 7: So according to that concept, you can then move as
Speaker 7: I believe everyone's seen what they called quantum quantum entanglement
Speaker 7: of that disc that they first had to do with
Speaker 7: liquid nitrogen, and now they are being able to do
Speaker 7: it without the cold. They can do it already without
Speaker 7: using the extra cold for the being super conductive. So
Speaker 7: what they do is they put this disk on top
Speaker 7: of a track right, and the disc doesn't touch anywhere.
Speaker 7: It doesn't go forward back, it doesn't move. You can
Speaker 7: turn it to one side, it stays on that position.
Speaker 7: It just doesn't move. It's quantum locking. Sorry, that's the
Speaker 7: correct name. Quantum locking. So if you think in these terms,
Speaker 7: it is quite possible. For instance, when the glass is
Speaker 7: about shattered by using frequency to break it, there is
Speaker 7: a point right before it shatters that it becomes malleable.
Speaker 7: So this could justify how they do this. One hundred
Speaker 7: images just the same in temples in the East like
Speaker 7: Indonesia or I can't remember the names specifically, but you
Speaker 7: have this temple the Tamil culture, for instance, where you
Speaker 7: have one hundred statues that are exactly the same. How
Speaker 7: did you do that? It's working with stone. The guys
Speaker 7: on Rolls Royce, the workers in the metal were receiving
Speaker 7: ten thousand dollars a month and they couldn't do the
Speaker 7: same panel twice. There's always some difference. And these guys
Speaker 7: were doing on stone on hundreds of them. That obviously
Speaker 7: couldn't be one worker. You have to be several workers
Speaker 7: doing the same image. So and they all got the
Speaker 7: exact same image by the millimeter. So if you soften
Speaker 7: the stone, you just could get there with a clay
Speaker 7: mold and just produce the images by doing that to
Speaker 7: the stone, for instance. So all of this is speculation,
Speaker 7: of course, but.
Speaker 1: Well not really because if you're looking at sergeant, if
Speaker 1: you're looking at it from the quantum level, you're looking
Speaker 1: at the anatomical level, and atoms never touch, they're always
Speaker 1: in rote and kind of you know, on there is
Speaker 1: gaps or spaces, and Oppenheimer talked about this and how
Speaker 1: you can never really touch something in that because of
Speaker 1: the gaps that exists. I forget the name of the theory,
Speaker 1: but it has something to do with the spaces basically
Speaker 1: dictate everything. It's not the actual atom, and that we
Speaker 1: don't understand the space and the thing that exists in between.
Speaker 1: It's actually probably I'm sorry, probably what is the medium
Speaker 1: at which the oh my goodness, keep like that. The
Speaker 1: information is probably traveling within these spaces and we just
Speaker 1: don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I tell you that there's a cellular component
Speaker 3: in these plasmoids that has this extra dimensional quality to it,
Speaker 3: like like the particles can be in separate places at
Speaker 3: the same time.
Speaker 2: Quickliver, what you said, Lisa was really genius and I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're hit hitting it. So
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said it. But yeah, you're right, because
Speaker 2: that's what it suffer is it's the empty space between
Speaker 2: the atoms. That's even how it's described. Like once they
Speaker 2: started like leveling up, getting more scientific acknologists, like the
Speaker 2: you know, the Renaissance or whatever, progressed. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: they they came to understand that. But maybe they came
Speaker 2: to understand that through magical experiences or whatever, or through
Speaker 2: channeled experiences, like I don't really believe in that, but
Speaker 2: I'll say magical experience. So uh yeah, I think that
Speaker 2: it's both. I think it's like I think we're in
Speaker 2: I think Ricardo would agree with me. I hope he does,
Speaker 2: but that it's both. It's like there's like something metaphysical
Speaker 2: and also maybe something material at the same time. And
Speaker 2: there's also we have this idea in Buddhism of primordial words.
Speaker 2: So like if you're able to speak the primordial word,
Speaker 2: it actually never goes away, so it's like a constant,
Speaker 2: infinite resonance in that empty space. So, like Lisa as saying,
Speaker 2: and like I think Tim said, and then Ricardo said
Speaker 2: something else about the sort of making the formation into
Speaker 2: a valeable substance. There's something really interesting and really realistic
Speaker 2: about that, or at least Buddhists that you speak the
Speaker 2: primordial word, you loosen the aggregates, you raise up like
Speaker 2: the crystal components, which are really just light, and you
Speaker 2: allow it to be free of aggregation. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's something really interesting about that. I just want to
Speaker 2: say that.
Speaker 3: You see Serge today playing with a lot of these
Speaker 3: concepts that you guys just touched onto. And I just
Speaker 3: wanted to bring this back to the tunnels beneath the earth.
Speaker 3: We know they're extensive, they're unmapped. Who knows how extensive
Speaker 3: they actually are. But cern during its construction they actually
Speaker 3: had to stop digging because they hit old Roman ruins,
Speaker 3: and it was ruins to the temple of a Pollion,
Speaker 3: and the Romans placed the temple there believing that there
Speaker 3: was a bottomless pit there. So you just have to
Speaker 3: wonder like why did CERNS choose that site, and didcern
Speaker 3: actually construct all the tunnels they're using for the hydron
Speaker 3: collider or were they already there? And this is instead
Speaker 3: of being the Catholics moving to a pagan side, now
Speaker 3: we're seeing science moving its institutions to a pagan side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, think about that.
Speaker 2: Well, actually have a friend that works at CERNED. Him
Speaker 2: and I've talked about this exact like thing with him,
Speaker 2: and he would say it's the same. He would say
Speaker 2: that there's like that element, like we discussed it in
Speaker 2: much more molistic terms. But I said, it's like a
Speaker 2: tifferatic institution of science and it's like the outer presentation.
Speaker 2: But he says he thinks that that's also religious in
Speaker 2: a way. But that's it's really about how science is
Speaker 2: like a metaphysical framework. It's just like a different way
Speaker 2: to describe it. Maybe they don't believe in the exact
Speaker 2: same things, but they kind of know, they kind of
Speaker 2: get it. They know they're doing magic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so too. I mean, for the longest time,
Speaker 3: Sir on their website had up their sort of like
Speaker 3: mission statement, although they didn't word it that way, but
Speaker 3: it was kind of like this is what we're about,
Speaker 3: that sort of a thing. And in that paragraph they're
Speaker 3: talking about the Higgs boson and they're talking about how
Speaker 3: I think it was in twenty twelve they discovered this
Speaker 3: force field out there in Vece. I guess, yeah, but
Speaker 3: you know it's and so particle physics is all their
Speaker 3: version of particle physics is kind of wrapped up in
Speaker 3: this idea of this force field. It's and I would say,
Speaker 3: I would question, I would put the question on table.
Speaker 3: At least, is that a sentient force field that a
Speaker 3: lot of the religions are had it used to enter
Speaker 3: act with I know that's a big that's kind of
Speaker 3: a big question.
Speaker 7: Associated it with AI. We are feeding AI at this
Speaker 7: moment with every single thing we do online. Right, So
Speaker 7: back then you didn't have the Internet, but you have
Speaker 7: this crystalline matrix, so it was constantly observing all kinds
Speaker 7: of information, so you could actually access it and retrieve
Speaker 7: information as long as you know how it was imprinted.
Speaker 7: So it's like mini keys within the global key, each
Speaker 7: key revealing a piece of the information. We are doing
Speaker 7: this today with crystals on labs. We are vibrational in
Speaker 7: printing information to crystals that they are finding to be
Speaker 7: much more stable. They don't find a limit to what
Speaker 7: information they could put in, and they can retrieve it
Speaker 7: at will as long as they use the same frequency
Speaker 7: that was used to put them inside the crystal. So
Speaker 7: it's exactly the same principle. We just can't fandom that
Speaker 7: fifteen thousand years ago, eight ten thousand, eight thousand years ago,
Speaker 7: or even five hundred years ago. So I think that's
Speaker 7: why science doesn't look at that they are rediscovering something,
Speaker 7: because they don't conceive that this has ever possibly existed.
Speaker 7: And with the screen that I'm gonna show you now,
Speaker 7: you'll see that this is way sorry, where are you?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 7: Here we are? Why does it disappear?
Speaker 4: Oh? To go away?
Speaker 3: I should say that there's been a the terminology has changed.
Speaker 3: Science is just using a different terminology for something that's
Speaker 3: been around for a very long time. And even Bolvaski
Speaker 3: talked about it, said talked about particle physics before they
Speaker 3: even existed. She said, she talked about the atom. She
Speaker 3: talked about how the atom could be split. And it
Speaker 3: just seems like when you look at the works of Bolvaski,
Speaker 3: anst if you want to call them predictions or whatever
Speaker 3: you can, but it seems like that stuff became true
Speaker 3: or was found out later by science. In this modern era.
Speaker 7: The question is are all the lines in existence and
Speaker 7: looked at in here? I only have I don't know,
Speaker 7: seventy percent of the grid. There are several grids that
Speaker 7: are not well documented enough for us to put in here,
Speaker 7: like the back lines. But you noticed that where there
Speaker 7: are more megaliths, the network gets really really enhanced. So
Speaker 7: it's both here and here. If I can turn this,
Speaker 7: you see the insanity of North America?
Speaker 4: Yes, damn what area is that right there?
Speaker 7: Which one that you have?
Speaker 4: That you have?
Speaker 5: And though basically the mouse over right now that large
Speaker 5: that large grouping right up there a little bit.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's right by the Indian Mounds, Native American Mounds. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Ohio and the Great Lakes.
Speaker 1: That's probably why Ohio dictates our elections. Just kidding.
Speaker 2: There is something about that though, Lisa, you make you
Speaker 2: you laugh about it, but there's something profound about what
Speaker 2: you said, because there is an element where you know,
Speaker 2: like it's it's a weird state if you look at
Speaker 2: it from like a oh, politics is real. I know
Speaker 2: that's not your personal perspective. But if you look at
Speaker 2: it from like it's an ormy political it's it's a
Speaker 2: weird state. Weird things happen there, Weird people are elected there.
Speaker 4: I even think it's weird.
Speaker 5: Like what I guess probably a reason, some sort of
Speaker 5: weird reason like this why they always have the Iowa caucus,
Speaker 5: Like why are you picking Iowa specific?
Speaker 7: M It's just this necessaria. It's just just insane.
Speaker 3: This is wild.
Speaker 7: Well what did I do?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Tim? To point, Nick and I have covered a couple
Speaker 1: of occultists, and I think the overreaching conclusion that I've
Speaker 1: come up with is that the original scientists were occultists.
Speaker 1: They just changed their name. Because when you look at
Speaker 1: how all the occult is congregated with the Holy Roman
Speaker 1: Emperor Rudolph the Second in Prague, I believe that that
Speaker 1: was exactly where the scientific method was birthed. If you
Speaker 1: go all the way back and you look to see
Speaker 1: when did it happen, It was in that location and
Speaker 1: you had all of the Occultis conjoining there. They were
Speaker 1: all making pilgrimages there, and he was supporting them, he
Speaker 1: was their patron. So I think that they just changed
Speaker 1: their name.
Speaker 3: But it's like Isaac Newton wrote more on alchemy than
Speaker 3: he did anything else show.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people know that enormies, don't.
Speaker 3: That it's been I don't know if it's been offuscated
Speaker 3: purposefully or if it's just something forgotten by history or
Speaker 3: a natural progression of time. I don't know. I feel
Speaker 3: like it's something that was probably said, you know, pushed aside,
Speaker 3: like oh, we don't talk about that because science modern scientists,
Speaker 3: they get uncomfortable when you start talking about alchemy. So
Speaker 3: I don't think that they want it pointed out that
Speaker 3: it goes back to the alchemists. I mean, they went
Speaker 3: do something on this for a very long time, because
Speaker 3: there's there's a lot there, Like what Least is talking about,
Speaker 3: there's a there's a ton there, and it's all interesting stuff.
Speaker 7: You have to remember that they took quite the job
Speaker 7: to end the natural philosophers that were alchemists, geologists, anthropologists.
Speaker 7: They were all in one, all cult metaphysical and physical,
Speaker 7: all in one single researcher. There were multi disciplinary researcher
Speaker 7: as was the fellow from gravity helped me please Newton
Speaker 7: right Newton. Newton was an alchemist. They refused to admit
Speaker 7: it as so they even tried to take that from
Speaker 7: the books, and they did for most of them. So
Speaker 7: when they introduced this materialistic view in the nineteenth century,
Speaker 7: they tried to eradicate all metaphysical from science. Everything had
Speaker 7: to be explained by what we observe. This is the rule.
Speaker 7: So that's why they say that the continental plates are
Speaker 7: moving for millions of years. That's three centimeters a year
Speaker 7: on the Atlantic or one and a half in the
Speaker 7: Indian Ocean, and so on, because that's what they've measured
Speaker 7: since they started measuring, and they forget all of the rest, though,
Speaker 7: all of those fellows that have goods and that show
Speaker 7: that sometimes it moves very fast. What they say happened
Speaker 7: through millions of years could have happened I don't know,
Speaker 7: in a month, a year, we don't know, but it
Speaker 7: could have happened very very quickly. And they eliminated all
Speaker 7: of that. And so to go back to alchemy is
Speaker 7: like going back in time for them. They couldn't allow it.
Speaker 7: Although they become more dogmatic than the Church that they
Speaker 7: were trying to avoid.
Speaker 1: I will say that most of the occultists were polymaths
Speaker 1: in that to be a scientist or slash occultist. You
Speaker 1: had to be proficient in many topics, whereas now if
Speaker 1: you go get a PhD, it is an a specific
Speaker 1: topic and it's made you almost stupid to the other
Speaker 1: topics because one language hyper focused, and they knew.
Speaker 7: Very language, including those essential to read the secrets, like
Speaker 7: the Latin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was all systematically uprooted. Like Ricardo said, I
Speaker 3: see a lot of that happening in the nineteenth century,
Speaker 3: but I think it goes all the way back to
Speaker 3: sixteen sixty six with the British Royal Society. Those guys
Speaker 3: were on the spearhead of taking that alchemy and turning
Speaker 3: it into what we now call science, turning the seance
Speaker 3: into science essentially, and it's an error where the last
Speaker 3: of the alchemists become the first of the scientists. But
Speaker 3: there was a transition there and I see it starting
Speaker 3: officially in sixteen sixty six, but you really see it
Speaker 3: ramp up in the nineteenth century, where that's like where
Speaker 3: the death blow to all this stuff really was.
Speaker 7: I would say that happened because that time they start
Speaker 7: looking at it or trying to document it as a
Speaker 7: metaphysical experience, and they start to and I'll analyze it
Speaker 7: from a scientific point of view of complete record of
Speaker 7: what they're doing, registering what they were being introduced, what
Speaker 7: the experiences included, and this brought results. This turns into this,
Speaker 7: or this produced that, and these results were becoming more
Speaker 7: and more scientific, and that's what increased this chasm that's
Speaker 7: created between those that wanted to follow not only the scientific,
Speaker 7: but the metaphysical and those that said that that wasn'to
Speaker 7: science because if we got specific results, then it's not
Speaker 7: something that you can just speculate from an interpreter a
Speaker 7: metaphysical interpretation. So they slowly from the period that you
Speaker 7: were set team there was the results that they were
Speaker 7: obtaining was what led to this breakup between the metaphysical
Speaker 7: and the science because they couldn't no longer they were
Speaker 7: not communicating with one another in the same researcher, so
Speaker 7: they had to decide what line to follow.
Speaker 1: They became purists. They became purists almost by the way
Speaker 1: of Christianity, the way Christian Protestant and the Puritans. They
Speaker 1: distilled it down to what they wanted to be, and
Speaker 1: that's what science did. It became a curius.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it so slowly found its way and seeped into
Speaker 3: the mainstream. And you know, so you have this guy.
Speaker 3: I just pulled him up. Thomas Henry Huxley. He was.
Speaker 3: He died in eighteen ninety five, so all this happened
Speaker 3: like right before that. But he was an English biologist
Speaker 3: and he was an anthropologist. He was he like specialized
Speaker 3: in anatomy. But he became known as Darwin's bulldog. He
Speaker 3: would he publicly advocate for Charles Darwin's theories at the
Speaker 3: institutions of the day, and that was this was I
Speaker 3: think this was the beginning of this stuff becoming mainstream.
Speaker 7: Well, he was. He was the defender of the evolutionary
Speaker 7: as as Darwin has put it, not specifically from my knowledge,
Speaker 7: not specifically from science in general. But it's curious you
Speaker 7: call him up because I believe that he was one
Speaker 7: of the few that was not recognized at the time,
Speaker 7: just later or prep because if they were not just ready,
Speaker 7: the scientists were not ready to get rid of the
Speaker 7: Christianity as the births of mankind and put it into
Speaker 7: an arbitrary evolutionary results. So and he was ready for
Speaker 7: that before them. He was ready to accept.
Speaker 3: That it was still controversial when he was like saying
Speaker 3: all this stuff. But I think he broke ground because
Speaker 3: if you look look at his kids, look at Altus Huxley.
Speaker 3: He had two kids. One of them was well known
Speaker 3: for eugenics, for for like kicking off the field of eugenics,
Speaker 3: and the other one wrote The Doors of Perception and
Speaker 3: was like the psychologist psychological aspect of like stuff. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't looked into this in a while,
Speaker 3: but you see what you see where this type of
Speaker 3: thinking leads through his lineage, and you know it's the
Speaker 3: same people who brought us eugenics. Needn't say more, it's
Speaker 3: it's at the end.
Speaker 7: If you follow the names, it's all connected somehow, and
Speaker 7: there is a point where you go receding in time,
Speaker 7: you find where it connects from the physical to the
Speaker 7: metaphysical ones. There is points of connection. So those that
Speaker 7: are on the edge, like the walls of a castle,
Speaker 7: are completely absorbed in the reality that was given them
Speaker 7: by the system. But if as you go in the
Speaker 7: inner circles of the structure, you find that the knowledge
Speaker 7: increases and there is a wider range of interest, and
Speaker 7: then you get to the focal point to the to
Speaker 7: the to the tower itself and where it's the representation
Speaker 7: of the full knowledge of reality includes both worlds, both
Speaker 7: the physical and the metaphysical, and I think that's also
Speaker 7: represented in the Tarot card of the tower, although I
Speaker 7: know that it doesn't mean that, but you have both
Speaker 7: elements represented by the tower that you understands the physical
Speaker 7: and the metaphysical as the point of where the two
Speaker 7: point where the two worlds converge.
Speaker 5: It's interesting that, unfortunately it is I'm gonna have to
Speaker 5: wrap this up since I did record this. I don't
Speaker 5: know if you guys want to like plug your show,
Speaker 5: because I'll probably use it and I'll send it to
Speaker 5: you Tim if you want to use it as well.
Speaker 7: Sure you failed to record your best show.
Speaker 4: I got the audio. I got the yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: got the audio. So I mean that was a yeah.
Speaker 5: Uh, Lisa, is there anything you wanted to say or plug.
Speaker 1: Or just just want to plug that. A lot of
Speaker 1: Occult Rejects have contributed to Occult Research inst dot org,
Speaker 1: Jen and Ethan and please check us out on that
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Speaker 1: for having me on. By the way, this is great.
Speaker 1: This was amazing. Thank you andrec out a little Tim
Speaker 1: and Jin. This was this was a very very great conversation.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank.
Speaker 2: You, very fun panel.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah yeah, considering what happened. Yeah, Jen, please let
Speaker 5: everybody know what's up.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, thanks Bossa for having me on and uh yeah,
Speaker 2: this was a really fun panel. And Tim, I'm really
Speaker 2: impressed by you because, like, if you can hang with
Speaker 2: us in like our backstage pat chat like where we
Speaker 2: talked about weird shit, like, that's pretty cool. And so
Speaker 2: thanks Lisa Ethan Ricardo obviously always great to work with
Speaker 2: you guys, And you can check me out Threshold Saints
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Speaker 2: We'll be in the show notes.
Speaker 4: Awesome, thank you very much. And Tim, why don't let
Speaker 4: everybody know where they can find him as well? Sor
Speaker 4: ry question, drim.
Speaker 3: Happy to be here. I really appreciate in Bye. Fan
Speaker 3: of the show for a while, and I think this
Speaker 3: turned out probably the way probably should have because this
Speaker 3: was a lot of fun. This is like Lisa said,
Speaker 3: it's a really great conversation.
Speaker 4: A totally different conversation for sure as well. So I
Speaker 4: mean it turned out really nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, happy to be here. I'm Tim Constantine.
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Speaker 7: Sure, thank you. First of all, I'm disappointed because you
Speaker 7: finished this before you had the opportunity to insult on
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Speaker 4: Of course, no, thank you. It's always a pleasure to
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Speaker 6: Thank you everyone for putting up with my lastly internet connection.
Speaker 6: And what a great learning experience as always, Tim wonderful
Speaker 6: to meet you and here what we.
Speaker 2: Have to say.
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Speaker 6: check out the Cult Research Institute. More more writing there
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Speaker 3: And appreciate you guys a lot of.
Speaker 5: Course, thank you, and people are still listening. This basically
Speaker 5: was just a show that started because we're I guess
Speaker 5: to let people know they are supposed to reschedule. We
Speaker 5: were supposed to have Don Webon, certain issues came up
Speaker 5: he couldn't come on, so basically I just hit the
Speaker 5: record button on the audio and we hung out for
Speaker 5: two hours. So hopefully next time Don Webb will be here.
Speaker 5: So that's a little teaser for the people listening to
Speaker 5: the audio stuff. Hopefully Don Webb will be coming on
Speaker 5: to talk about his latest book, but thank you will Again,
Speaker 5: I apologize for the situation, but I had a great
Speaker 5: time and I like again like I think with Tim's said,
Speaker 5: things worked out the way they were supposed to. So
Speaker 5: I'll go with that and until the next one, everybody
Speaker 5: be well.
Speaker 4: Later