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Speaker 6: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
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Speaker 7: Hello everyone, I hope you're doing well out there. I'm
Speaker 7: Nick Hunter and this is a UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight's
Speaker 7: guest is Ryan, coming to us from the state of
Speaker 7: Pennsylvania and back in eighteen ninety four when he was
Speaker 7: just fifteen years old, Ryan and two friends were crossing
Speaker 7: a golf course at around midnight when something interrupted the night.
Speaker 7: A silent object ascended directly above them and hovered overhead
Speaker 7: while it's underside slowly rotated, displaying brilliant multi colored lights.
Speaker 7: And frightened by what they had witnessed, they ran. Ryan
Speaker 7: is up next. But first, if you enjoyed a show
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Speaker 5: Now on with the show. Hello, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hey Nick, how are you good to be here? Thanks
Speaker 1: for having me.
Speaker 3: It is my pleasure.
Speaker 7: Ryan, and you'll come in to us from the state
Speaker 7: of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: I am the good old Billy Suburbs.
Speaker 7: Great stuff, great stuff. Okay, Now, Ryan, you have some
Speaker 7: experiences you're going to be sharing with us. Would you
Speaker 7: like to start at the beginning, please, sir?
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely right. I had an experience when I was
Speaker 1: fifteen and I was with two friends. It was Memorial Day.
Speaker 1: It was the Saturday of Memorial Day weekend in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four, and we were all fifteen years old, and
Speaker 1: we ate full disclosure, my friend's sister had a party,
Speaker 1: and you know, one of the guys was a drug dealer,
Speaker 1: and he stashed magic mushrooms in a couch on the
Speaker 1: Year's Eve and they were in the couch for like
Speaker 1: four or five months. And my buddy's like, Ryan, you're tough.
Speaker 1: Dig your hand down that couch. There's a bag of
Speaker 1: mushrooms in now, let's eat them. So we did, which
Speaker 1: wasn't a great idea, but you live and you learn,
Speaker 1: and I was, honestly, I think I was way too
Speaker 1: young meat mushrooms. I think all of us were. I
Speaker 1: don't think you should do that until you're older and
Speaker 1: more mature. But as an adult, that's just my reasoning
Speaker 1: because it makes sense. But when you're a kid, you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't listen to reason, You don't really You just
Speaker 1: do what you want to do. So we ate them.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't hallucinating, like I didn't see anything.
Speaker 2: Like I visually.
Speaker 1: It was just like, you know, oh, your your nerve
Speaker 1: endings just vibrating, your own body's vibrating. And we were
Speaker 1: all just sitting there and walking around, and you know,
Speaker 1: we went to this town. We crossed this golf course
Speaker 1: near my buddy's house to get to this whole town
Speaker 1: that we hung out in, and there were some friends
Speaker 1: there running from the cops or whatever, and we kind
Speaker 1: of broke off with them because you know, you feel
Speaker 1: a little paranoid or whatever the effects are.
Speaker 7: So we left.
Speaker 1: And by the time we left, it was about twelve o'clock.
Speaker 1: And we got back on the golf course to cut
Speaker 1: through and go back to my buddy's house to watch
Speaker 1: TV or something. And we were walking right about in
Speaker 1: the eighteenth hole and we look up and there was
Speaker 1: this UFO circling right above us. It came straight down
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and it was circling around about thirty
Speaker 1: feet wide, and it had what I would describe now
Speaker 1: as led lights, like the different color lights that make
Speaker 1: like a blue or red, but they were different colors,
Speaker 1: and there was a big white light in the middle,
Speaker 1: and my buddy Matt and I ran and because we
Speaker 1: saw it. My friend Anthony was standing there and he
Speaker 1: didn't see it. And we ran about, you know, about
Speaker 1: twenty thirty feet away, and we turned around. Anthony still
Speaker 1: standing underneath it, directly under the white light or whatever,
Speaker 1: and we're like, you gotta run, you're standing underneath the UFO.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't see it. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. We're liked, just run, come on. So
Speaker 1: finally he ended up listening to us, and we ran
Speaker 1: away and it disappeared and we looked back and it's gone,
Speaker 1: Like I say, we got like once he joined us.
Speaker 1: We got about twenty feet away and I looked back
Speaker 1: over my shoulder and had disappeared. But that was a
Speaker 1: real experience, and you know, I would say, less than
Speaker 1: six months later, Matt and I were both the ones
Speaker 1: who saw it, and we had each had, you know,
Speaker 1: at sixteen years old, a mental breakdown in his class,
Speaker 1: and I got it. I kind of got kicked out
Speaker 1: of school for fighting and for acting really bad, and
Speaker 1: I was a normal I was. I mean, I had
Speaker 1: a rough childhood, but for the most part, I had
Speaker 1: friends and girlfriends and things were as normal as I
Speaker 1: could get them. Besides my behavior, you know, my grades
Speaker 1: were always bad, and my home life was pretty traumatic,
Speaker 1: and so was Matt's, and so was Anthony's. We were
Speaker 1: all kind of in the same boat in terms of
Speaker 1: family life. So I've always heard that people who have
Speaker 1: experienced with this, and I don't know that it was
Speaker 1: an abduction experience. I've never had any sort of hypnosis
Speaker 1: or anything like that to prove it. When I registered
Speaker 1: this with mouf On recently, it was almost the thirty
Speaker 1: two year anniversary, I would say it was last spring.
Speaker 1: I called I Rest the move On and I registered
Speaker 1: this as an actual experience. And what had triggered all
Speaker 1: of this after all these years was I watched documentary
Speaker 1: that just came out last spring, and I watched it
Speaker 1: and my wife sitting with me, and she likes to
Speaker 1: tease me about it because we joked that Daddy's friends
Speaker 1: with als. Because I have recurring dreams about aliens all
Speaker 1: the time in our house and you know, in the
Speaker 1: front yard or you know, I've dreamt that it ship
Speaker 1: landed in the front yard before and it took me
Speaker 1: in another guy from the neighborhood who I don't know.
Speaker 1: It took us somewhere and I brought us back. That
Speaker 1: that dream happened about three years ago. But my wife
Speaker 1: was teasing me when we were watching it. She's like,
Speaker 1: you know, I recognized some of the some of the
Speaker 1: things that they're saying in this documentary this guy experience,
Speaker 1: and one of the thing was that he dreamt of
Speaker 1: the Avians, which I've dreamt of them before. I just
Speaker 1: thought there were angels with just feathers all over themselves.
Speaker 1: But after watching that documentary, I'm like, oh, there are
Speaker 1: many different types of aliens. Because I never really took
Speaker 1: it seriously, I would tell this story once in a
Speaker 1: while if I felt comfortable enough with people, especially after
Speaker 1: a couple of drinks or relaxed, but I never let
Speaker 1: it out because I don't know if I was embarrassed
Speaker 1: or scared or or what the deal was. But I
Speaker 1: figured I already had enough problems with like with you know,
Speaker 1: with having a couple of mental breakdowns when I was
Speaker 1: younger due to my family life and things like that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't need anybody else saying things about me,
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna tell them I had alien experiences either.
Speaker 1: But at this point in my life, I'm okay. Like
Speaker 1: I'm a husband, I'm a father, I'm a small business owner.
Speaker 1: I do plumbing for a living. I bought my dad's business,
Speaker 1: So I'm doing great. But after watching that story and
Speaker 1: listening to stories about the solar wardens and all the
Speaker 1: different aliency experience and and how they are different phenomenon
Speaker 1: that were going on in his house, I said to myself,
Speaker 1: there are other people like me. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't I don't report this.
Speaker 2: So I did, well, how about move on?
Speaker 1: And I made a report and I had a great
Speaker 1: couple of phone calls with with a guy, a local guy,
Speaker 1: And after my report was made, he had done the investigating.
Speaker 1: He checked out the golf course, he checked out the
Speaker 1: date and the time, and I've always remembered the date
Speaker 1: and the time, and he just he said it could
Speaker 1: only be one of two things. It could either have
Speaker 1: been a government craft or an actual UFO. So he's
Speaker 1: just like, whatever you saw was was real. And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I told him about the mushrooms, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: did you see anything else that night, like where any
Speaker 1: other hallucinations? I said, no, it was just that. Like
Speaker 1: it's just like I said, my nerve endings were vibrating
Speaker 1: and my body, which makes your body feel like it's vibrating.
Speaker 1: I've never really been one for drugs, but you know,
Speaker 1: the ones I did really were enough. I'm not personally
Speaker 1: who really partied that much. I've always been kind of
Speaker 1: like a like.
Speaker 2: A socially conservative guy.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it doesn't mean I wasn't bad behaved.
Speaker 1: I just I didn't do a whole lot of you know,
Speaker 1: mushrooms or acid or anything like that. So a few
Speaker 1: times I did it, I remember them. And you know,
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I was worried because the UFO books
Speaker 1: that I've read, it's mostly pilots or people who are
Speaker 1: of some mind, who have their stories believed. As soon
Speaker 1: as somebody's drunk or or high, you know, they're just
Speaker 1: completely discredited. And a guy who's interviewing me is just like, no,
Speaker 1: it's he's like, it's not like that. Just you know,
Speaker 1: continue on my story, and and sure enough he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it could only be one of two things. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to start attending meetings with Moufan and you know,
Speaker 1: getting a little more involved because I want to I
Speaker 1: want to know about what I've been through, Like it's
Speaker 1: it's time. It's been long enough, and it's always been
Speaker 1: something that's been on my mind that I've kicked around,
Speaker 1: and I think it's something that changed me because six
Speaker 1: months after it happened, my my friends and I were
Speaker 1: both in group homes and that's kind of a weird coincidence,
Speaker 1: and he got hooked on terrible drugs, terrible. I got lucky.
Speaker 1: I saw the light and I, you know, as soon
Speaker 1: as I was allowed back in high school, I got
Speaker 1: I kind of got kicked out for fighting and just
Speaker 1: you know, all out bad behavior. But as soon as
Speaker 1: I cleaned myself up, they let me back and they said, I,
Speaker 1: you know, I had to do something after school. So
Speaker 1: I joined the wrestling team and I started doing my
Speaker 1: homework and I got into a four year tech school
Speaker 1: to study heating and air conditionings. My my family had
Speaker 1: been plumber support generations and here I am years later.
Speaker 1: So it was it was a good move that I
Speaker 1: that I made, but I really had to struggle because
Speaker 1: for a while, you know, it was like I lost
Speaker 1: all my social skills, I lost my sense of humor.
Speaker 1: I was kind of like a shell for a number
Speaker 1: of years until I had to like completely rebuild my personality.
Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily know you can make the argument
Speaker 1: that it was the mushrooms that night did it, but
Speaker 1: it was a progression over course of about six months
Speaker 1: that just I was just deteriorating little by little, and
Speaker 1: it kind of, I gotta say it kind of started
Speaker 1: around that time. I did have lime disease when I
Speaker 1: was eleven, So I wonder if, like I have a
Speaker 1: really bad reaction to marijuana. So I wonder if somehow
Speaker 1: my my metabolism, you know that my metabolism doesn't doesn't
Speaker 1: work well with drugs, which is fine. I'm perfectly happy
Speaker 1: not doing them. But if I were to smoke pot,
Speaker 1: I would absolutely start having like paranormal experiences where I
Speaker 1: think I'm in a different dimension, but I'm living in
Speaker 1: this one, which is not good. So you know, I
Speaker 1: need to live here and be a good person, so
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't do that. You know, It's it's
Speaker 1: like the old adage, you know, you go to the
Speaker 1: doctor and you touch your elbow and they say, you know,
Speaker 1: my elbow hearts and the doctor's like, well, then don't
Speaker 1: touch your elbow right there. So that's that's the thing
Speaker 1: with me and pot or mushrooms. I haven't done mushrooms
Speaker 1: for years. Anyway, it's not it's a non issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I have these ever since, ever since that time,
Speaker 1: Like even as an adult. I would say, like as
Speaker 1: I got older, I kind of trugg I reinvented myself
Speaker 1: and got became healthy. I started exercising a lot. I
Speaker 1: graduated college and then nice girl and we settled down.
Speaker 1: It was it kind of I didn't really have a
Speaker 1: whole Like my social life has never been great because
Speaker 1: I kind of have this thing where I just tell
Speaker 1: people what I think, and it's not great for friendships,
Speaker 1: especially if you know, there's always a bit of hazing
Speaker 1: when you meet new people. And when I was a teenager,
Speaker 1: after all this stuff happened, like I said, I kind
Speaker 1: of lost my sense of humor. So like when people
Speaker 1: ra ass me a little bit, like I get I
Speaker 1: get kind of hype, and I, you know, I might
Speaker 1: say things that I probably shouldn't people, And yeah, that
Speaker 1: prevents me from making new friends sometimes, but I've gotten
Speaker 1: better as an adult. So through that time period, you know,
Speaker 1: we got married, we had friends, I did used to
Speaker 1: go out a lot, and I had a good social life,
Speaker 1: and we had kids. And then after we had kids,
Speaker 1: and I started like falling asleep on the couch a lot,
Speaker 1: like just out of exhaustion, or I would drink and
Speaker 1: fall asleep on the couch. I would have these recurring
Speaker 1: dreams about aliens every time I slept on it. They
Speaker 1: would be tall grays and they would yell at me
Speaker 1: and tell me to.
Speaker 2: Go to bed.
Speaker 1: Like there was my recurring dream. They would surround me
Speaker 1: on the couch and they would just you know, they
Speaker 1: would all kind of duck down, looking at me like
Speaker 1: they're gonna give me a beat down, and they would yell.
Speaker 1: One would yell, go to bed. And that was my
Speaker 1: recurring dream for years in my thirties and my forties,
Speaker 1: and I came in account how many times that happened
Speaker 1: to me. And we moved to a new house and
Speaker 1: it would like, even then, my couch is in the
Speaker 1: middle of the room, so they would completely surround me,
Speaker 1: where before it was against the wall. But that was
Speaker 1: that's the family joke that he's friends with aliens, because
Speaker 1: I've had that dream so many times. But I've also
Speaker 1: had a dream since we moved that I was taken
Speaker 1: to a facility one night near my house and they
Speaker 1: did testing to me. And then I was driving past
Speaker 1: this place one night, pointed to it. I told my wife,
Speaker 1: I said, that's the place of my dream. And then
Speaker 1: about three years later it turned into a gymnastics place
Speaker 1: and my daughter would go there. And I'm in this
Speaker 1: building and I'm looking around. I'm like, I can't believe
Speaker 1: this is the same place in my dream. And in
Speaker 1: the middle there was there was there was all these
Speaker 1: pillars everywhere, and you could you could barely see the
Speaker 1: kids like there were there were so many pillars that
Speaker 1: you know, when the kids do gymnastics, they would be
Speaker 1: behind one pillar and then behind another. One was really irritating.
Speaker 1: And I looked up and I'm like, those things are
Speaker 1: supporting a helicopter pat like this place there was choppers
Speaker 1: landing on this roof. What the hell was going on here?
Speaker 1: And I looked around and a lady who runs and said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it used to be some sort of pharmaceutical or medical
Speaker 1: place blah blah blah, and I'm like, what the hell?
Speaker 2: So that was?
Speaker 1: That was a weird experience. And that was one of
Speaker 1: those things where you have these dreams then you see
Speaker 1: a place in real life and it's not far from
Speaker 1: my house, and it's like, holy shit, is this is real?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like that's Those are kind of the
Speaker 1: regressed memories that maybe hypnosis could handle. But in the
Speaker 1: same sense, like do I do I want to know
Speaker 1: what it was? I have no idea, but maybe, well
Speaker 1: maybe one day I'll build up the courage and I'll
Speaker 1: do it. But if not, it's it's still relevant to
Speaker 1: our story today. And I would say about three years ago,
Speaker 1: I had another not a breakdown, but I was on
Speaker 1: this medication for anxiety, which any depressants, whatever they are,
Speaker 1: and it was the same. You know, they had me
Speaker 1: on similar drugs when I was a teenager and I
Speaker 1: had really bad reaction, and you know, it all kind
Speaker 1: of it all kind of molds together, these these issues
Speaker 1: that I've had and went away, and then you know,
Speaker 1: went away after I got off of when I was
Speaker 1: a teenager and I found it was about you know,
Speaker 1: I was on those drugs for about as soon as
Speaker 1: they put me in a group home when I was sixteen.
Speaker 1: I was on them for about a year, and then
Speaker 1: I found out I had a thyroid disorder, you know,
Speaker 1: and sometimes people get thiraid disorders from being exposed to radiation.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're in the family. I don't know. I had
Speaker 1: that as a teenager, which is strange for a teenage
Speaker 1: boy to have. So as soon as they took me
Speaker 1: off to the antidepressants and put me on the Thiray medicine,
Speaker 1: I did start to get progressively better. And that's that's
Speaker 1: also I started doing playing sports and doing my homework.
Speaker 1: So flash forward to you know, my early forties, and
Speaker 1: my brother passes away. I put myself on this medicine again,
Speaker 1: because that's what our society tells you. You know, if
Speaker 1: you're feeling bad, and if you're you're upset, or you're angry,
Speaker 1: you're sad, put yourself on this medicine. So I did,
Speaker 1: and I progressively started to get worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 1: And I realized that. So so as I'm going down
Speaker 1: this rabbit hole, I'm having these dreams, and one dream
Speaker 1: in particular was this UFO, this disc shaped thing that's
Speaker 1: very similar to what I saw when I was a
Speaker 1: teenager face to face. So I had this dream where
Speaker 1: I'm standing in my garage. The garage door was open.
Speaker 1: This thing lands in my neighbor's yard right right in
Speaker 1: front of me, and I'm terrified, and the tall gray
Speaker 1: gets out wearing a suit and it starts talking to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, I'm really terrified, Like if
Speaker 1: you want me to talk to you, or come closer,
Speaker 1: or go for a ride in this thing with you,
Speaker 1: like take my fear away. So it did, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I wasn't scared, so I'm like, fine, whatever,
Speaker 1: like I'll go with you into this UFO and they
Speaker 1: brought this there was other ones, and they brought this
Speaker 1: other guy from my neighborhood into the UFO as well,
Speaker 1: and we all left and came back and I woke up.
Speaker 1: I have no idea like where we would have went
Speaker 1: in the dream or if it was real, But that's
Speaker 1: another one that I had that was that was really interesting.
Speaker 1: So those are basically the big things. And then as
Speaker 1: I'm talking to the man who's been interviewing me on
Speaker 1: from MUFAN, He's like, have you experienced porter guys. I said, yes,
Speaker 1: I said, I experienced them at work. I said, I
Speaker 1: experienced them in my kitchen. It's like I'll be I'll
Speaker 1: be cooking and something will fly out of my hand,
Speaker 1: you know, I said, especially when I'm with sharp objects,
Speaker 1: like I'm very careful to hold them like toward myself
Speaker 1: and things like that, because things fly out of my
Speaker 1: hands all the time, and I'm like, kitchen it's the
Speaker 1: strangest thing. He's like, well, it's kind of the side
Speaker 1: effect of what happens to people who have experiences you're
Speaker 1: like yours. And it happens to me at work too,
Speaker 1: because I'm a plumber and I work on boilers and
Speaker 1: air condisues and I always do things and it just
Speaker 1: still has It's usually when I have a sharp object,
Speaker 1: and it's usually like aimed at myself, like it's kind
Speaker 1: of like I'm not inflicting pain on myself, but things
Speaker 1: fall out of my hands or you know, it seems
Speaker 1: like they like I'm dropping them, or they just fly
Speaker 1: out of my hands and then I have to like dodgs,
Speaker 1: like get out of the way. It's the strangest thing.
Speaker 1: But I suppose that's one of those side effects of
Speaker 1: having an experience. So I'm super careful, especially when my
Speaker 1: kids are around me. Jesus Christ, and knife's gonna fly
Speaker 1: out of my hand and protect so I you know,
Speaker 1: you just go back to go back to your training
Speaker 1: as a child, and you just hold the knives correctly
Speaker 1: and you're super careful and you know whatever. But I'm
Speaker 1: not here to talk about knife training. So in terms
Speaker 1: of anything else that's happened, that's kind of the majority
Speaker 1: of it. And as I so I said before, I
Speaker 1: wasn't comfortable coming forward and talking about it. So I
Speaker 1: always had this like this fire burning in my chest
Speaker 1: so to speak, like write in my diaphramic. I always
Speaker 1: felt like I needed to do more with myself, like
Speaker 1: I do plumbing, I do heating and air conditioning, but
Speaker 1: like I'm not fulfilled. You know, this is my family's legacy,
Speaker 1: this is what I should be doing for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life, but it's not like it's not enough
Speaker 1: for me, Like what am I doing here? So I
Speaker 1: always try to do creative things, like I started out
Speaker 1: by writing. I tried writing my first book when I
Speaker 1: was in college, and it was three pages long and
Speaker 1: my professor sat me down, and it was an English professor,
Speaker 1: and he said, you need to tell this story. But
Speaker 1: it can't be three pages long. It has to be
Speaker 1: you know, it has to be a novel, and you
Speaker 1: are not a novel.
Speaker 2: It could be fiction.
Speaker 1: You could turn to fiction, or you can write nonfiction,
Speaker 1: but you have to sit down and you have to
Speaker 1: dedicate yourself for years to do it. And I didn't
Speaker 1: think about it right then and there. And I saw
Speaker 1: a therapist in my early twenties who taught me how
Speaker 1: to journal. So I started journaling just you know, without punctuation,
Speaker 1: without paragraphs, just straight you know, brain to paper. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of when it started, when it started to
Speaker 1: really come out and take shape. So it became many
Speaker 1: iterations over the years. It was a comic book at
Speaker 1: one time, a graphic novel, and then it was a
Speaker 1: screenplay I wrote. I wrote a show. It was a
Speaker 1: fictional show about it, and about kids in college who
Speaker 1: have an alien abduction experience and you know, while they're
Speaker 1: eating mushrooms, of course, and about the one kid who
Speaker 1: gets superpowers and he becomes you a drunken superhero. But
Speaker 1: that never came to fruition. That actually became part of
Speaker 1: my book, which I finally finished writing in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: It was a fictional story called American Dysfunction, The Bout
Speaker 1: of Alex Walker. In that story, it's about a struggling
Speaker 1: artist who hasn't an abduction experience when he's a teenager
Speaker 1: and goes through his dysfunctional life with his dysfunctional family,
Speaker 1: and he gets into a tech school and when he's there,
Speaker 1: he writes a hit song for this group of guys
Speaker 1: he's friends with who are in a band or in
Speaker 1: a rock band, and as soon as the song gets
Speaker 1: played on the radio, he gets thrown out of the band.
Speaker 1: So he continues to do his art throughout the years,
Speaker 1: and he writes a graphic novel and he ends up
Speaker 1: getting that made into something, and that became the drunken
Speaker 1: superhero angle that I talked about earlier. It was called
Speaker 1: Dude Man The Adventures of a College Chopout, and that's
Speaker 1: that's what he writes in his story. But that book
Speaker 1: gave me a chance to fictionally get my experience out
Speaker 1: for the first time. I changed some of the details,
Speaker 1: but the same similar it's a similar story, it still exists.
Speaker 1: And then the second book, it's about some character the
Speaker 1: main character Alex Walker's uncle, Scott. The second book is
Speaker 1: called The Adventures of Scott because Scott leaves the Battle
Speaker 1: of Alex Walker in like chapter five and he goes
Speaker 1: off on his own adventure. He's a former professional wrestler
Speaker 1: who gets another call to you know, for glory, so
Speaker 1: he goes and makes another run for the title. And
Speaker 1: when he does, they get wrapped up, and they get
Speaker 1: wrapped up in this drug war with these people in
Speaker 1: the CIH and gets involved to run all the criminal
Speaker 1: operations that are going on behind the scenes. And a
Speaker 1: CIA agent at the end of the book writes this
Speaker 1: manifesto that he gives to his you know, his protege,
Speaker 1: and the protege turns him in to the cop, to
Speaker 1: the authorities because the things that this character Bob wrote.
Speaker 2: Were absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: But part of it he claims to be an alien
Speaker 1: in a skin suit who was part of the Solo
Speaker 1: Warden program that ran from the late seventies into the
Speaker 1: late nineties, and the character Alex Walker was in the
Speaker 1: solar Warden program that was part of his abduction experience.
Speaker 1: And it really goes it's very much. It kind of
Speaker 1: becomes a day like some of the stories he tells
Speaker 1: a little excerpts from his book of Bob so to Speak,
Speaker 1: And one of the stories is when he's in therapy
Speaker 1: and he's talking about how his memories from his old
Speaker 1: awards have come back and he has like a day
Speaker 1: live experience like with Roddy Piper when Roddy Piper puts
Speaker 1: on the sunglasses and he can see all the aliens
Speaker 1: walking around who are cloaked and look like humans. Well,
Speaker 1: his character Bob had the same thing, but didn't happen
Speaker 1: until there was an accident and part of his brain
Speaker 1: the chip that was implanted, and his brain reactivated and
Speaker 1: he could see all the aliens that were cloaked as
Speaker 1: humans who lived among us, and that was that was
Speaker 1: what got him locked up at the end of the story,
Speaker 1: And in that story, Bob talks about being in Vietnam.
Speaker 1: He starts off with stories as he was, he lived
Speaker 1: the trouble life growing up, and then he went and
Speaker 1: starved a numb and he was one of the survivors
Speaker 1: of Hamburger Hill. But when they got to the top,
Speaker 1: what they were really doing was recovering an alien craft
Speaker 1: that the Vietnamese are worshiping. So Bob was charged with
Speaker 1: getting in and driving it back to the US, and
Speaker 1: you know, that became part of his story where he
Speaker 1: would actually get in the craft and abduct people to
Speaker 1: bring them into the solar warding program. And I completely
Speaker 1: wrote it off at the end like magical realism, like
Speaker 1: Bob was crazy and this and that. But in the
Speaker 1: third book, it's in the future and there's an alien disclosure.
Speaker 1: The third book is coming out in September again. It's
Speaker 1: an American dysfunction novel. It's called The Prince of Death.
Speaker 1: And in this book, it takes place in the twenty
Speaker 1: fifties after a flood. So what happens is that humans
Speaker 1: discover new engines that run off of plasma, which we're
Speaker 1: kind of close to that right now. So combustion engines
Speaker 1: fall by the wayside, and people start drilling into the
Speaker 1: earth for plasma. They start drilling into volcanos for the plasma,
Speaker 1: and they disrupt the water layer that's insulating the Earth's
Speaker 1: core and the water bubbles to the surface and it
Speaker 1: changes the landscape. You know, we lose coastal lines, Jerseys gone.
Speaker 1: You know, New Orleans is an islands. San Diego is
Speaker 1: an island. Like there's most of California's gone. There's a
Speaker 1: bay in Colorado, which is the new shipping hub of
Speaker 1: the West. So the whole landscape of the US changes,
Speaker 1: and they start this green Corp, the National Climate Corp,
Speaker 1: to protect the new coastal lines. And in this story,
Speaker 1: what happens is that after the flood, the government makes
Speaker 1: an alien disclosure in order to get technology to the
Speaker 1: people to help, you know, the United States get back
Speaker 1: on its feet. So when they do, they release these
Speaker 1: crafts called the Jetson, which are small UFOs that hover
Speaker 1: over the ground and never touch. And it's based off
Speaker 1: of it's very similar to what Bob describes in the
Speaker 1: second book, and it's also very similar to what I
Speaker 1: think I saw when I was a teenager. And it's
Speaker 1: very it's very nice, it's very therapeutic to finally kind
Speaker 1: of get these things out, even if they're in fiction form.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, I've always been a sci fi person.
Speaker 1: I've always loved things like that, and it was it
Speaker 1: was very nice to to kind of express myself in
Speaker 1: that way and and also merge a lot of different
Speaker 1: conspiracies and a lot of different things growing up that
Speaker 1: I love. The Men in Black, the X Files, the
Speaker 1: movie the Thing, things like that, and and and just
Speaker 1: kind of cross them all together and make it make
Speaker 1: a fun story that I think is pretty cool. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the book, I do make my
Speaker 1: own mythology, like I kind of I go over, you know,
Speaker 1: the story of the the Ananachy and they bring the
Speaker 1: shut off and Draconian's to Earth to build and and
Speaker 1: to to engineer people into being their slaves because they
Speaker 1: have to dig for gold in order to rebuild their
Speaker 1: ship and go back in the beer room. And once
Speaker 1: they do that, the ship causes quakes, and once the
Speaker 1: ship leaves, it causes another another flood. And you know,
Speaker 1: I bring in the story of Noah. It's a really
Speaker 1: it was a really fun thing to do because I'm
Speaker 1: also a Freemason, so a lot of these ancient stories
Speaker 1: are part of Freemasonry. And if you know anything about Freemasonry,
Speaker 1: it's it's not a cult. It's basically the absence of one.
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to bring religion or politics into the lodge,
Speaker 1: and everybody's on equal footing. But the Masons were the
Speaker 1: builders of the original temples and the Old Testament, so
Speaker 1: there is a lot of religious things in there because
Speaker 1: of King Solomon's temple. They were the builders and keepers
Speaker 1: of the secrets. So you know, the Holy Grail was
Speaker 1: always kind of lurking in the background. Alleged that that
Speaker 1: was a part that was a resting place of the
Speaker 1: Holy Grail. May not have been, that's what people say.
Speaker 1: The ark and and Covenant was absolutely tied to King
Speaker 1: Solomon's temple and it was supposed to be kept in secret,
Speaker 1: so the Masons built built that and kept all the
Speaker 1: secrets on how to get to it. So I did
Speaker 1: bring a lot of those those legends and theories into
Speaker 1: my writing, and I think I merged them all in
Speaker 1: a really fun way that people can get into. So
Speaker 1: that's my that's my story, and I plan on writing more,
Speaker 1: but for right now, this is enough and I got
Speaker 1: it out, and I'll be continuing my pursuit with move
Speaker 1: On just to kind of see what I can uncover
Speaker 1: within myself through through them and hear other people tell
Speaker 1: stories like mine, because it's not often you I meet
Speaker 1: people who have those experiences, and it's it's nice to
Speaker 1: to see other normal, normal people who happen to have
Speaker 1: seen things and may have had, you know, life changing
Speaker 1: event because of it.
Speaker 7: Thank you for sharing all that, Ryan, Plumber by Day,
Speaker 7: all for for by Night.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I became Plumber by Day author by Night last year.
Speaker 1: My friend, my boxing coach, was like, what are you doing.
Speaker 1: He's like, you need to be Plumber by Day, author
Speaker 1: by Night. I said, you know what, I'm gonna run
Speaker 1: with that, and I did and it works very well.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 7: That's a good one. Well, what I do is, I'll
Speaker 7: put your links for American Dysfunctional down below so people
Speaker 7: can check you out. When is your new one coming out?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 1: The new one, American Dysfunction, Prince of Death is the
Speaker 1: third book in the series and it's coming out in
Speaker 1: September twenty twenty six.
Speaker 7: Wonderful September. And you got you have a two as well, wonderful.
Speaker 7: So I'll pulled the links down below so people can
Speaker 7: check them out. So basically, you built these stories like
Speaker 7: from your experience, Yes.
Speaker 1: Very much, so very much. So I definitely mix in
Speaker 1: little grains of truth in there. But I do write fiction.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you read all three novels and
Speaker 1: you enjoy them, you'll you'll see the progression of how
Speaker 1: the science fiction portion of the story unfolds.
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Speaker 7: And the Ryan take us back to the golf course.
Speaker 7: It was the eighteenth hole. It was nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 7: is all right?
Speaker 1: It was nineteen ninety four. I forget the exact date,
Speaker 1: but it was this Saturday before Memorial Day nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 1: at about between twelve twelve and one in the morning.
Speaker 1: We were we were walking, There was the three of us.
Speaker 1: We were walking and the eighteenth hole is right across
Speaker 1: from my middle school parking lot. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say the name of it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: But it was right middle school was on the right
Speaker 1: hand side, and we were walking up the hill toward
Speaker 1: you know, there were holes in the fence, so we
Speaker 1: were cut through the hole in the fence. It was
Speaker 1: right before the clubhouse, but you had to cross the
Speaker 1: whole golf course in the eighteenth hole to get there.
Speaker 1: So we were standing in the middle of the fairway
Speaker 1: the eighteenth hole and I heard a sound and I
Speaker 1: looked up and it was a wooshing sound. It was
Speaker 1: going and it was right above me, and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was if I screamed, or
Speaker 1: if I said, if I cursed a holy crap or
Speaker 1: whatever I said. My friend Matt looked up and he
Speaker 1: saw it too, and he said, oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: the UFO. So he and I ran, you know, and
Speaker 1: we were standing. It was right over top of us.
Speaker 1: The white light was over our heads. I don't remember
Speaker 1: going up, of course, like I don't remember being abducted,
Speaker 1: but I remember the thing being maybe fifteen feet above
Speaker 1: the ground. So we're I'm five foot I'm a short guy.
Speaker 1: I'm like five foot five, and it was probably ten
Speaker 1: feet over our heads, maybe fifteen feet tops. He was
Speaker 1: right over us. It was spinning, and we ran and
Speaker 1: my friend Anthony stood directly underneath it because he didn't
Speaker 1: see it. And Matt and I got twenty feet away
Speaker 1: and we stopped and we turned around and we're like,
Speaker 1: come on, run and Anthony was looking at us, and
Speaker 1: he said, what are you running from. There's nothing here,
Speaker 1: and we're like, there is a UFO directly above your head, spinning. Run.
Speaker 1: So he ran toward us, and then we got together
Speaker 1: and ran and I look back and the thing disappeared.
Speaker 1: It's just a memory that's been burned in my brain
Speaker 1: and I've never forgotten it, and I remember almost every detail.
Speaker 1: So my friend from mouve On, he says, there are
Speaker 1: things that I forget and I should definitely explore. I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to that point, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm going to get to that point. But for right now,
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm telling this story to you is
Speaker 1: a big step for me, because it's always something that's
Speaker 1: made me uncomfortable, and it's something that makes me feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, did it happen? Well, according to them, it
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely did. And I remember vividly. So it happened,
Speaker 1: and uh, and here we are talking about it thirty
Speaker 1: two years later. But you know, it's one of those things,
Speaker 1: you know, they happened. Something happens to you when you're young.
Speaker 1: You just never the something happens to you whenever, But
Speaker 1: even when you're young, it just it just burns its
Speaker 1: way into your memory. It just never goes away, which
Speaker 1: is fine. It's a memory. And I've embraced it since then,
Speaker 1: But for a long time I just kind of discarded
Speaker 1: it like it like it was no big deal. But
Speaker 1: when I would tell people, they're be like, oh whatever.
Speaker 1: So I haven't said, I haven't seen my friend Matt
Speaker 1: for decades, and last I heard he was he was
Speaker 1: living in a group home permanently, and or I guess
Speaker 1: at one point, you know, they're not they'd stop being
Speaker 1: group homes and become more halfway houses or mental institutions.
Speaker 1: And Matt had a horrific time with drugs, and Anthony
Speaker 1: ended up developing pretty serious bad habits as an adult too.
Speaker 1: He's functional, though, you know, he's a hard worker, and
Speaker 1: you know he does well for himself in a way.
Speaker 1: But he's always he's always been kind of an outlaw,
Speaker 1: so he's never really fit in the society. Anthony has
Speaker 1: never really fit in a society normally, but he's worked hard. However,
Speaker 1: he's had his problems as an adult where I kind
Speaker 1: of got through mine. Like every once in a while,
Speaker 1: if I experience some sort of strife like or some
Speaker 1: sort of major loss, it'll come back, but I have
Speaker 1: the ability to shake it off. Like that's the one thing, Like,
Speaker 1: no matter how how far I get into, you know,
Speaker 1: into madness, I just I have an ability to snap
Speaker 1: out of it and and just go back to normal
Speaker 1: like nothing happened. Where I don't think Matt did not
Speaker 1: have that ability. And Anthony he functions on the level of, like,
Speaker 1: you know, in between good and absolutely insane, which can
Speaker 1: be funny if you think about it, because he's a
Speaker 1: funny guy, but if you look at it, it's like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: maybe you should calm down a little bit. But it's
Speaker 1: it's strange how we all three of us experienced kind
Speaker 1: of like a descent into madness, I'll say. After that,
Speaker 1: and it was we were all together and Matt actually
Speaker 1: had another sighting in his backyard. He was telling me
Speaker 1: he was sitting on his back porch smoking a cigarette
Speaker 1: when he was I guess, you know, a couple of
Speaker 1: years after that or was it It was either a
Speaker 1: couple of years after that where I haven't talked to
Speaker 1: Matt for years, and his story wasn't as you know,
Speaker 1: his story isn't as familiar as mine. But he said
Speaker 1: he was sitting on his backboard and it came down
Speaker 1: over his backyard and it hovered there or I don't
Speaker 1: know if he said it landed, but that's what he
Speaker 1: told me. I've never like besides the dream I had
Speaker 1: where it landed in my neighbor's yard. That like, that
Speaker 1: was a dream, and I wasn't standing in my driveway.
Speaker 1: I don't think when it happened. But he actually said
Speaker 1: he saw it again. I did have an experience with
Speaker 1: my family. We were driving to the airport at four am,
Speaker 1: and we were on a highway in Pennsylvania and there
Speaker 1: was this green light in the sky. And I've heard
Speaker 1: about people seeing green lights. It was the green light
Speaker 1: in the sky and it, howard, it hovered as we
Speaker 1: were traveling, and we all point, you know, my wife
Speaker 1: saw it, and I saw it, and my son saw it,
Speaker 1: and it made an L shape like there was a
Speaker 1: trail and it made an L shape and it disappeared.
Speaker 1: My wife's name is Lauren and my son's name is Logan,
Speaker 1: So that was pretty neat. We all got a good,
Speaker 1: we gotta good kick out.
Speaker 2: Of that one.
Speaker 1: It was very memorable. So that was how we we
Speaker 1: had an experience together in that regard, and that was
Speaker 1: I don't remember, Like the date for that isn't significant
Speaker 1: for me, so I wouldn't report for that, but it
Speaker 1: was it was something that we did see together. So
Speaker 1: you know, we're all kind of believers in that way.
Speaker 7: So the objet that you saw all three of you
Speaker 7: were walking together, were you all close by or you
Speaker 7: kind of just chiming with each other and spread maybe.
Speaker 1: Arms lumped apart, you know, just talking to each other.
Speaker 1: We could have been singing a song. I don't know.
Speaker 1: They used to sing Metallica songs every once in a while.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a Metallica fan. I was more of like
Speaker 1: a hip hop guy, but I would just nod my head,
Speaker 1: you know, if they were singing sad but true or
Speaker 1: something like that. That was a thing we used to do.
Speaker 1: And and so we were all just you know, kind
Speaker 1: of not shoulders like the part, but just in arms length.
Speaker 1: You know, may have somebody may have been trailing behind
Speaker 1: a step or two. Somebody may have been right next
Speaker 1: to me, or maybe Anthew's in front of me. I
Speaker 1: don't remember. But we were kind of in like a
Speaker 1: triangular form ourselves as we were walking, you know, no more.
Speaker 2: Than two or three feet apart.
Speaker 1: And when it came down over is that ship was
Speaker 1: about thirty feet wide and it was about fifteen feet
Speaker 1: off the ground, I would say, And it was right there, man,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. It was just spinning. It wasn't
Speaker 1: spinning fast. It was like it was it was almost
Speaker 1: like it was two pieces. The center portion that was white,
Speaker 1: where the white light was coming from, that didn't seem
Speaker 1: to be spinning. But then there was another ring around
Speaker 1: it that had the LED lights I described, you know
Speaker 1: they were I would say they were red and blue
Speaker 1: and yellow I guess.
Speaker 2: The primary colors is as I think of them.
Speaker 1: And they were spinning around and as they did that,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it made like a light bluish light,
Speaker 1: but it was slow enough that if you looked at it,
Speaker 1: you could like just like an LED light. Now, if
Speaker 1: you look at it as different colors, and if you
Speaker 1: look close, you could see the individual colors.
Speaker 2: If you step back, it looks like it's a solid color.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what the outer ring reminded me of.
Speaker 1: And you know, the the inner ring that I would
Speaker 1: say the inner ring was probably five feet wide. The
Speaker 1: inner ring where the white light was coming from, there's
Speaker 1: about five feet wide. And then the outer rings the
Speaker 1: lights were probably you know, twelve inches each like, and
Speaker 1: they were I couldn't tell how many they were because
Speaker 1: it was spinning. It just looked like there was one
Speaker 1: hundred of them, you know, surrounding the perimeter of the ship.
Speaker 1: And uh and I just remember the sound it was going. Oh,
Speaker 1: and that that I will not forget either because it's
Speaker 1: such a it's such a strange thing. And when they
Speaker 1: told me it could even either been a government craft
Speaker 1: or UFO, I wasn't surprised. There is a base near
Speaker 1: us that has been closed down for a while in
Speaker 1: Woolli Grove, and that was a naval base and a
Speaker 1: lot of the times these things associated with the navy.
Speaker 1: So it was a naval air base that was near us.
Speaker 1: And according to a couple of people I know, there
Speaker 1: is a classified building on that site that's still operational.
Speaker 1: They do run drone missions out of there, which apparently
Speaker 1: isn't classified, So the building that has the classified designation
Speaker 1: is independent for some reason. And that is I guess
Speaker 1: if it was a government craft, that's a possible place
Speaker 1: it could have came from. I mean, it's relatively close by,
Speaker 1: and there was another base a little further away, so
Speaker 1: I would say Willigrove is about five miles from where
Speaker 1: we were that night. And then there's another base in
Speaker 1: Warrington that closed down. That's about ten It's about ten miles.
Speaker 1: They closed down because of the p Foss chemicals. They
Speaker 1: were washing these planes with this cleanser that had these
Speaker 1: permanent chemicals in it and p FOSS and they really
Speaker 1: damaged the water supply around here and people got very
Speaker 1: sick and it took them a very long time to
Speaker 1: address the issues. So they'd shut down the air base
Speaker 1: portion of it, or I guess they run drones remotely
Speaker 1: from other bases around the country, around the world. But
Speaker 1: they used to fly missions out of there, and they
Speaker 1: had jets and whatever kind of jet fighters they had
Speaker 1: going out of there, and they would frequently do shows
Speaker 1: but it was about ten years ago. They stopped and
Speaker 1: when they closed it down. But that's the base where
Speaker 1: if it was a government craftic, could it came from there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Possibly possibly. Did it approach you from behind or in front?
Speaker 2: It did not.
Speaker 1: It came directly down over top of us. It didn't
Speaker 1: fly in from the side. It didn't fly in from
Speaker 1: behind us or in front of us. It came straight down,
Speaker 1: so I didn't see where it lowered itself. When I
Speaker 1: looked up, it was already above us, and I was
Speaker 1: the first one who saw it. And it just lowered
Speaker 1: itself down, loaded itself down, and it stopped and hovered
Speaker 1: about fifteen feet over the ground or over our heads,
Speaker 1: and then it just stopped and spun. So it did
Speaker 1: not come in from an angle. And that was the
Speaker 1: weird thing, like it just kind of closed in on
Speaker 1: us from above, came straight down.
Speaker 7: So with these lights, the main white light in the center,
Speaker 7: did it engulf all three of you have light?
Speaker 1: That part? I can't remember at all. And when we
Speaker 1: started running, I don't know how long it was. And
Speaker 1: since you asked me that question, there was a time gap.
Speaker 1: When we got back to my friend's house, it was
Speaker 1: like three o'clock in the morning, and when we had
Speaker 1: left that little town that we were hanging out at
Speaker 1: on the other side of the golf course, it was
Speaker 1: about twelve o'clock, so he usually took us about thirty
Speaker 1: minutes to walk across the golf course, so we would
Speaker 1: have got back to his house like right after twelve thirty.
Speaker 1: The eighteenth hole was almost to his house, so maybe
Speaker 1: ten more minutes we would have gotten there by a
Speaker 1: quarter of one.
Speaker 2: We got back.
Speaker 1: I remember looking at the microwave in his kitchen and
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, it's like three thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1: Three o'clock in the morning. He's like, ah, we were
Speaker 1: potting around. We lost track of time. I'm like, no, man,
Speaker 1: Like we left, we left town like twelve o'clock, and
Speaker 1: we should have been.
Speaker 2: Back by one at the latest.
Speaker 1: So that's a weird. So it's very possible that you know,
Speaker 1: the light did englf us and something happened, but I
Speaker 1: don't none of I don't remember that at all, and
Speaker 1: I have not done any any sort of digging with
Speaker 1: hypnosis or anything. I have to figure it out, which
Speaker 1: I'm kind of interested in doing, and I might pursue
Speaker 1: that soon. You know, I'm kind of it freaks me
Speaker 1: out a little bit, but that's all right. I'll figure
Speaker 1: it out and get through it. But but yeah, so
Speaker 1: it I forgot about that part. And that's actually that's
Speaker 1: part of my report that I filed, is that there
Speaker 1: was a time gap and it was about a couple
Speaker 1: hours that I think we lost. So it's like, as
Speaker 1: we were standing in the middle, like it's if we
Speaker 1: did get taken us running may have been like them
Speaker 1: putting us back on the ground and near my buddy
Speaker 1: coming to grips with reality and just running at that point.
Speaker 2: But I don't I don't know that for sure.
Speaker 1: So I can absolutely say that it's a possibility because
Speaker 1: of the time gap.
Speaker 7: And you mentioned this the sound. Now do you remember
Speaker 7: the emotion that you felt at the time when you
Speaker 7: when you first acknowledged it.
Speaker 1: So it was a crippling fear because it was something
Speaker 1: I had never imagined, Like, it was not it wasn't
Speaker 1: something that I was pursuing, It wasn't something that I
Speaker 1: was interested. It was it was just out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: You just look up and there's this UFO right above
Speaker 1: you and this sound. And I was fifty ten years old,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not I'm not a bigger guy,
Speaker 1: so I've never really been.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess if I was a scaredy cat growing up.
Speaker 1: I fought through it and found courage at most points
Speaker 1: in my life because that's what you know, It's what
Speaker 1: a good man does, and I like to consider myself
Speaker 1: a good man. But I do remember a crippling fear,
Speaker 1: and I remember a paralysis of being terrified, and we,
Speaker 1: like I sat there and I remember looking at my
Speaker 1: friend Matt, and we were standing underneath this thing, and
Speaker 1: eventually we just worked up the courage to just run
Speaker 1: because you know, standing there wasn't doing us any good.
Speaker 1: And we went at the point where curiosity was more
Speaker 1: important than being afraid. So, you know, as kids, especially
Speaker 1: as kids who are who are you know, hile mushrooms,
Speaker 1: I think that we just as soon as our bodies
Speaker 1: would let go of whatever fear paralysis we were experiencing,
Speaker 1: we did start the run. And at first it was
Speaker 1: it was just straight primal fear. Becau's just it was
Speaker 1: something that I had never seen before, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know how to deal with it. Being under the influence
Speaker 1: of that at a young age when you you know,
Speaker 1: when you're still developing, and and that night, like maybe
Speaker 1: that's how you know, maybe that's how we all kind
Speaker 1: of ended up with with some psychiatric and emotional issues
Speaker 1: after that, because combined with our childhoods, and you combine that,
Speaker 1: you know, eating mushrooms early on in life, and then
Speaker 1: having an experience like that where fear just completely just
Speaker 1: this primal, guttural fear. That's the only way I can
Speaker 1: describe it. I don't want to say it's like you're
Speaker 1: seeing a monster, like you know, these aliens, monsters, sci fi.
Speaker 1: It all kind of lumps together if you think about it,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'll equate it to. What are you
Speaker 1: going to do in a situation like that? As an adult,
Speaker 1: I would have, you know, if I felt fear like that,
Speaker 1: like in my dream when I saw that, when I
Speaker 1: saw the UFO landing and the alien approached me, I'm like.
Speaker 2: Listen, you take away my fear.
Speaker 1: I'll go for a rapper. You and I thing no
Speaker 1: problem like that sounds like one of the coolest things
Speaker 1: I can imagine. But as a kid, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: like I didn't see any beings that night. It did
Speaker 1: not land, nothing got out, So I can't say how
Speaker 1: I would have behaved even worse probably if I did
Speaker 1: see a being. But yeah, so that night there was
Speaker 1: just it was just a ship. There was no there
Speaker 1: was no beings, but it was just it was all
Speaker 1: out fear. And that's the only way I can describe it.
Speaker 7: Okay. And when you were heightening it out of there,
Speaker 7: do you recall looking back at all?
Speaker 1: I did. I look back so at we high tell
Speaker 1: that we had about twenty feet and Anthony didn't run.
Speaker 1: And then when he finally joined us, when he finally said,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna run. Maybe there's something here I
Speaker 1: can't say, or whatever conclusion he came to in his
Speaker 1: mind and started running after us. When once he reached us,
Speaker 1: we turned around and ran. And then I turned around
Speaker 1: and the ship.
Speaker 2: Was gone completely.
Speaker 1: It didn't like fly away, It didn't go back up.
Speaker 1: It was just just vanished. So there was just nothing left.
Speaker 1: There was no no lights, no no miss no nothing.
Speaker 1: It was just like it was there one second and
Speaker 1: gone the next. As soon as I turned my head,
Speaker 1: it just disappeared. And I look back and it was gone.
Speaker 7: And was any moonlight? Was there any low level light
Speaker 7: around the golf course.
Speaker 1: It was a clear night, there was no rain, there
Speaker 1: was no clouds. It was a gorgeous day. It was
Speaker 1: in you know, we have we have hit or missed
Speaker 1: Memorial Days in the Philadelphia area. Sometimes they're gorgeous and
Speaker 1: sometimes they're rainy and miserable. It was one of those
Speaker 1: gorgeous weekends I remember. You know, when you go to
Speaker 1: the Jersey Shore, we call it going down the shore,
Speaker 1: and shore season starts a Memorial Day, so that's usually
Speaker 1: when people from Philadelphia make the track to the Jersey
Speaker 1: Shore in South Jersey, specifically from our area, and it's
Speaker 1: usually really cold and miserable, or it's nice. And it
Speaker 1: was one of those nice, you know, shore opening weekends,
Speaker 1: I'll call it. So I don't remember any clouds in
Speaker 1: the sky. And part of the move I'm reporting was
Speaker 1: they did a weather report and it was a clear night.
Speaker 1: It was no storms in the air, nothing like that.
Speaker 7: And when you all got back to the house, did
Speaker 7: you discuss it with your friends?
Speaker 1: I did, and Anthony got mad at us because he
Speaker 1: didn't see it, and he caught us nuts. So Matt
Speaker 1: and I were like, whatever, we're leaving, So he and
Speaker 1: I walked by ourselves from his house to my house
Speaker 1: and it was a good mile and a half and
Speaker 1: we didn't get back to my house until five in
Speaker 1: the morning, and we talked about it the entire time,
Speaker 1: and I don't think I don't know, like if we
Speaker 1: got got to sleep until seven in the morning or
Speaker 1: what it was, but we were up all night and
Speaker 1: Anthony still doesn't remember it to this day. But every
Speaker 1: time I would see Matt, he would he would bring
Speaker 1: it up. He remembered it. So the both was definitely
Speaker 1: we absolutely saw it. There's no doubt.
Speaker 7: Was Matt scared as well.
Speaker 2: He was, Yeah, Like I don't know how.
Speaker 1: A brave kid would react in that situation where if
Speaker 1: kids are brave, I don't even know if we know
Speaker 1: what bravery is at that age. We all think we do,
Speaker 1: but we don't. And when you actually see something, I
Speaker 1: think running is first instinct. I mean, other than like
Speaker 1: standing there and throwing rocks at it, which is insane,
Speaker 1: but I think running is the natural reaction to a
Speaker 1: fifteen year old who sees something like that. He was
Speaker 1: scared too, We were both scared.
Speaker 7: Yeah, fight or flight. You never know what you're going
Speaker 7: to do. In certain situations until it happens.
Speaker 1: No, you don't. You know, it's like training with martial
Speaker 1: arts or being a boxer or you know, you train
Speaker 1: for years and years and mean you actually get into
Speaker 1: a fight, just freeze up and I'll do anything. That's so,
Speaker 1: that's the way it goes. Or even if you're you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a soldier. I can't say because I've never
Speaker 1: been a soldier, but being rust into a you know,
Speaker 1: a terrifying situation is makes it really hard to think.
Speaker 7: Absolutely. Yeah, And the move on investigator was he is
Speaker 7: he local?
Speaker 1: He is local, and I'm ashamed that I don't remember
Speaker 1: his name. He and I have only had two conversations
Speaker 1: on the phone, and I'm gonna probably hit him up
Speaker 1: after after this, maybe today or tomorrow to talk more.
Speaker 1: But he is a local guy, and he and I
Speaker 1: are going to be He invited me out to a meeting.
Speaker 1: I couldn't make it last month because we were on vacation,
Speaker 1: and I think they're off this month, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to go to the August or September meeting whatever it
Speaker 1: starts up again, and I'm gonna I'm gonna try to
Speaker 1: be active because it interests me and I want to
Speaker 1: be around similar people, so you know what I mean, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Sure, why not? And did he look into any any
Speaker 7: other sight into that, because you know, you're very precise
Speaker 7: on the date, in the year and the time. Did
Speaker 7: he check any reports?
Speaker 1: So there were no reports filed from that period, and
Speaker 1: he he said he checked. He tried to check references
Speaker 1: for the golf course, and nobody from the golf course
Speaker 1: has ever filed at report either. So on that day,
Speaker 1: in that particular place there, we were the only one.
Speaker 1: I'm the only one who filed a report for that situation.
Speaker 1: So if there is any if there was any sightings
Speaker 1: on the golf course, they were not reported. And that
Speaker 1: night there were no other sightings in the area.
Speaker 7: What was the area like then? Is it a lot
Speaker 7: more built up these days than it was?
Speaker 1: Let me see here the areas. It's a suburban neighborhood.
Speaker 1: The houses were in that area, they were built in
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, sixties and seventies, so there wasn't a
Speaker 1: lot of construction. That area has been built up now
Speaker 1: for a number of decades, and it's always been densely
Speaker 1: populated enough where you know, people have probably a half
Speaker 1: acre of property average, you know, for the houses and
Speaker 1: the houses surrounded the golf course and for miles. It's
Speaker 1: an area where it's been densely populated, probably since the
Speaker 1: end of World War two, and I don't I don't
Speaker 1: see any significant changes. You know, there were some farm
Speaker 1: lands over toward the base, which is like four or
Speaker 1: five miles away, that were turned into houses, but in
Speaker 1: that general area, it had all been built up for
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 7: So that would have been like a Saturday night, so
Speaker 7: that the area was like mostly family family houses. So
Speaker 7: chances are you know, people were either tucked up in
Speaker 7: bed or had they had the box on watching shows.
Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, there wasn't. There was. There's not a whole
Speaker 1: lot of activity at that point in that area at
Speaker 1: night twelve twelve thirty. You know, maybe some people were
Speaker 1: sitting in you know, in their backyards quietly drinking with
Speaker 1: their friends or family, but it wouldn't you wouldn't have
Speaker 1: heard them, you know, there weren't There weren't fireworks going
Speaker 1: off or anything like that. It was just it was
Speaker 1: just a regular chill Saturday night and it wasn't even
Speaker 1: a holiday. The holidays is the Monday following that, so
Speaker 1: you know, people were just kind of basically bedtime at
Speaker 1: that point. For most people around here, it's very quiet, sure.
Speaker 7: I mean you were like free kids hanging out on
Speaker 7: a golf course on a Saturday night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were all alone. It's great. That was our
Speaker 1: spot there. There were holes cut in the fence. We
Speaker 1: used to sneak on there and drink forties all the time.
Speaker 1: We would hang out there. At the little time I
Speaker 1: was going, we went to the corner store. I met
Speaker 1: up with some friends who were drinking forties and running
Speaker 1: from the police. That was our favorite thing to do
Speaker 1: on the weekend. We would search for homeless people to
Speaker 1: buy us forty forty bottles of you know, malt liquor
Speaker 1: or whatever, and our beer, regular beer, and we would
Speaker 1: sit on the on the train tracks and drink and
Speaker 1: wait for the cops to shine a bullet on us
Speaker 1: and we would all run. As weird as that sounds,
Speaker 1: it was our favorite thing to do. But that's what
Speaker 1: they were doing that night, but we were we were
Speaker 1: eating the mushrooms. So it was the three of us
Speaker 1: on our own. We hung out for like maybe fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes and probably are freaked out and went back towards
Speaker 1: the golf course to head back toward my friend Anthony's
Speaker 1: house to watch TV. So that was the that was
Speaker 1: the plan. I think.
Speaker 7: Okay, good times, we've all been there.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 7: So you had these reoccurring dreams. How how often did
Speaker 7: you have these dreams over over a period of time
Speaker 7: or are they very infrequent?
Speaker 1: So it started around the time when Mike was born.
Speaker 1: I would say I was in my early thirties, which
Speaker 1: would have been around twenty twelve. He was born in
Speaker 1: twenty ten, so it would have been around that time
Speaker 1: that they started. Between twenty ten and twenty twelve, it
Speaker 1: happened every time I would fall sleep on the couch.
Speaker 1: Well I shouldn't say every time. That's an overgeneralization. It
Speaker 1: would happen, if not every month, every other month, you know.
Speaker 1: It happened frequently enough that it became a family joke,
Speaker 1: like if Daddy falls asleep from the couch, like his
Speaker 1: friends are going to come and hang out with him again,
Speaker 1: because alien friends are going to come and hang out
Speaker 1: with him again. And sure enough, even the strangest thing
Speaker 1: is if my dog and my cat today, if I
Speaker 1: were to if I were to fall asleep on the
Speaker 1: couch and my dog and my cat are not in
Speaker 1: the room. I will have another reoccurring dream where the
Speaker 1: aliens come into my in my living room and yell
Speaker 1: at me and tell me to go to bed. My
Speaker 1: dog and my catalaning with me doesn't happen. Strangest thing,
Speaker 1: you know. It's just I've little dogs, little my tiny
Speaker 1: little dog. He's half jack brussel on a half Chuawa,
Speaker 1: and my cat is a Siamese. You know, he's probably
Speaker 1: seven pounds. But if they're with me, they that the
Speaker 1: aliens don't come in my dreams and the recurring dream
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. It's it's a very interesting coincidence. I'll say
Speaker 1: they protect me, they turn into they turn into my protectors.
Speaker 7: I guess maybe, yeah, they watch over you when you
Speaker 7: sleep these dreams. How do they make you feel like
Speaker 7: when you wake up again?
Speaker 2: A bit of fear?
Speaker 1: You know. I end up if I run upstairs and
Speaker 1: put the covers over my head again, like as you knows,
Speaker 1: as a man, as a father, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: protect my house. I'm like, holy shit, did I just
Speaker 1: run upstairs and cover myself because there's aliens in my
Speaker 1: living room, like what about my wife and my children?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: Like, what the hell am I doing? That realization happens
Speaker 1: to me sometimes. So when it does happen, I tend
Speaker 1: to as I'm getting older. I stop and I look around,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, it was just a treat.
Speaker 1: I look around, I check all the rooms. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, just dreaming. I'm gonna go upstairs casually, like
Speaker 1: nothing happened. So I'm trying to get a grip when
Speaker 1: it does that, because I don't, you know, I need to.
Speaker 1: I need to make sure that my family's safe. You know,
Speaker 1: if I think there's somebody in the house, but it's
Speaker 1: you know, aliens. They're not walking around like at night,
Speaker 1: Like if if I see them and I open my
Speaker 1: eyes and you know, everything comes to focus, they disappear.
Speaker 1: So I know I'm alone and I know that they're
Speaker 1: not there any longer. If aliens wanted to hurt us,
Speaker 1: if they're that powerful, they would do it. So that's
Speaker 1: also a realization I've come to as as an adult.
Speaker 1: You know, if they're here, why do they want me
Speaker 1: to go to bed so badly? Maybe because I'm always
Speaker 1: sleep deprived, and maybe they're helping me out. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because I never get good night's sleeps ever throughout my
Speaker 1: entire life. I just wake up. I'm exhausted. It takes
Speaker 1: so much effort for me to do anything. Like I
Speaker 1: had told you, I had a thyroid issue like that
Speaker 1: that affects metabolism and energy. And you know, I tried
Speaker 1: playing sports when I was a teenager and I just
Speaker 1: always needed actually, like and I had lime disease when
Speaker 1: I was a kid. I told you that I just
Speaker 1: always needed this extra push. Yeah, maybe they're maybe they
Speaker 1: are my friends that they are looking after me. They're
Speaker 1: yelling at me to tell me to go to bed
Speaker 1: so I get a good night's sleep and get up
Speaker 1: and be a productive person and feed into the machine.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know it's very possible.
Speaker 2: That's what it is.
Speaker 7: And an these dreams, they would never threatening or anything
Speaker 7: that it was like go to sea.
Speaker 1: No, No, I did have a I did see a
Speaker 1: new kind about two months ago, uh, right after I
Speaker 1: started talking to my friend from UFAM. And it was
Speaker 1: it was a square box. It almost looked like a
Speaker 1: transistor radio with eyes, and it was hovering in a
Speaker 1: bubble right by my window, like I looked. I woke up,
Speaker 1: I looked over my wife toward the windows, and it
Speaker 1: was just it was about a foot and a half
Speaker 1: in Diane, and it was just a bubble and it
Speaker 1: was just as transistor radio was looking out my window.
Speaker 1: And then when I woke up, it turned and looked
Speaker 1: at me with its eyes, and I'm like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: what is that thing? And then it disappeared and I
Speaker 1: blinked my eyes a couple of times and I came
Speaker 1: to and then I didn't think anything of it. But
Speaker 1: apparently there there is a type of alien that is
Speaker 1: that shape, and I don't know if it's transistor radio,
Speaker 1: but that's how my mind made sense of it, you know,
Speaker 1: that's what it looked like. And so that was a
Speaker 1: new one that I experienced. So there there's been There's
Speaker 1: been numerous ones. And the time I experienced the Avians,
Speaker 1: like I had mentioned earlier, was that it was in
Speaker 1: a dream and I thought there were angels and I
Speaker 1: was transported to this place where they were in control
Speaker 1: of like who comes and goes from heaven. That's why
Speaker 1: I thought there were angels, and I was just kind
Speaker 1: of like they were just walking around. They were tall.
Speaker 1: They were taller than people I would say, seven feet.
Speaker 1: They didn't have wings, but they just they were all
Speaker 1: different colors and they were they had the these feathers.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they had like really shallow beaks
Speaker 1: like or I don't I don't remember their mouth particularly,
Speaker 1: But so you have these, you know, dreams about them.
Speaker 1: It's it's very it's very strange, how you don't you know,
Speaker 1: you could make the argument that, Okay, maybe I saw
Speaker 1: this in a book or I saw it on a
Speaker 1: TV show years ago. I don't remember it, it got
Speaker 1: in there and then I have a dream about it,
Speaker 1: or you have a dream about something you've never seen before,
Speaker 1: and it's just legitimate, you know. It's like, how do
Speaker 1: you explain that? Well, I don't really care too. I
Speaker 1: just know that I know what I remember and what
Speaker 1: I felt, and that's you know, it was a very
Speaker 1: strange thing. Yeah, But the one with the bubble was
Speaker 1: was very recent. That happened last spring. I don't know
Speaker 1: what to make of it. Like you just wake up
Speaker 1: and just blink a few times and they disappeared, Like
Speaker 1: what do they want? Why are they there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I just I don't have those answers. I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody else does either.
Speaker 7: I know, I think a lot of people just have pieces.
Speaker 7: You know, it's a very complicated subject because not everyone
Speaker 7: is in the same thing, but everyone has something that
Speaker 7: can add to the great apostle. You said you also
Speaker 7: in the house, this present house with the paranormal experiences.
Speaker 1: So the present house of the paranormal experience is I
Speaker 1: would say, the uh it's are there? There are apparently
Speaker 1: lay lines in my area. There's a town called Lansdale
Speaker 1: and there is a Coogle Ball in the middle of town,
Speaker 1: and legend has it they put the google ball directly
Speaker 1: over the intersection of lay lines. And I'm not really
Speaker 1: familiar with the legend of them, but it could be
Speaker 1: some sort of ancient form of communication in the earth.
Speaker 1: I don't know from what I've researched. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing I've I've come up with. And if you know
Speaker 1: what a cougar ball is, it looks like a fountain.
Speaker 1: It's this giant ball of marble. It's probably five feet wide,
Speaker 1: perfect sphere, and it rests on top of this base
Speaker 1: where water is transferred through it like a fountain, and
Speaker 1: as the waters pushed through with the pump, it rotates
Speaker 1: this ball, which I don't even know how much it went.
Speaker 1: Weigh a ton, would say, and that's the Coogar ball.
Speaker 1: And if you look on the side, there's the manufacturing
Speaker 1: plant from Germany that makes these balls. And apparently it's
Speaker 1: on the intersection of a lay line. And the I'm
Speaker 1: saying that because I always wondered if my house was
Speaker 1: built on a lay line or some sort of ancient place.
Speaker 1: Because the first man who who was the original owner
Speaker 1: of the house, he was a very prolific guy, like
Speaker 1: he wrote a neighborhood newspaper. He was constantly building things
Speaker 1: in the house and modifying it, building it like he
Speaker 1: did everything himself, like he would build a dish. He built,
Speaker 1: you know, our sun porto by himself. And he just
Speaker 1: came home one day from work, and you know, he
Speaker 1: worked at home depots a retiree, and he bought this
Speaker 1: this siding glass door that was on sale and he
Speaker 1: just cut a hole in the master bedroom, put the
Speaker 1: siding glass door in and just just built a deck
Speaker 1: in the house. Like he did this crazy stuff all
Speaker 1: by himself. And he used to have all these parties
Speaker 1: and everybody knew him and then the second owner of
Speaker 1: the house was a military man who apparently was involved
Speaker 1: with the creation of the drone that found with some
Speaker 1: a bit lauden and he was a very interesting character.
Speaker 1: He had lived all over the world. And they left
Speaker 1: us this really nice lamp from Morocco that that hangs
Speaker 1: from the ceiling and it's tin and it has like
Speaker 1: it has like the it's like this red it's coated
Speaker 1: with this red glass inside, so when you turn the
Speaker 1: light on, it looks really neat. We have it on
Speaker 1: a back porch. And and then there's me, who's the
Speaker 1: plumber by day, author by night. And you know, I've
Speaker 1: had these experiences and it's like when I talk to
Speaker 1: other people in the neighborhood, they're like, yeah, we've had
Speaker 1: some pretty interesting people living in your house in this neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, maybe there's a reason for that now,
Speaker 1: and maybe we're attracted to this place for some reason.
Speaker 1: So it's there, may be the place attracts interesting people
Speaker 1: to buy the house, you know, which makes me, which
Speaker 1: makes me think that our house is sentient or humans
Speaker 1: actually just or human slaves to the to the houses
Speaker 1: who need us to build and maintain them. That's it's
Speaker 1: a fun conspiracy theory that that I don't think holds
Speaker 1: much's relevance, but like talking about it like as a
Speaker 1: as a contractor, because we live in these houses and
Speaker 1: we put, you know, our life savings into them, like
Speaker 1: fixing it up, and it constantly needs love and attention.
Speaker 1: If you if you you know, if you don't you
Speaker 1: don't maintain it, the tax man will come and get
Speaker 1: you and and the house will fall apart. You know,
Speaker 1: So do our our house is sentient? Do do we
Speaker 1: actually live to maintain these houses? And and we're we're
Speaker 1: in their control? Like, I don't know, that's a fun thing.
Speaker 1: I could I could put one of my books one day,
Speaker 1: maybe make that into a science fiction thing, like the
Speaker 1: houses actually control us, maybe the house that we live
Speaker 1: and I summoned us there so we could we could
Speaker 1: build more stuff because I I build things by hand.
Speaker 1: I uh, i'd be. I started doing finished carpentry since
Speaker 1: I moved into this house. So we have a lot
Speaker 1: of custom things that I've done. And you know, when
Speaker 1: people come over then from the neighborhood or whatever for
Speaker 1: a party, they often really like what we've done because
Speaker 1: it's just different. And they're like, oh, well, you know
Speaker 1: the other two, the other two owners before you also
Speaker 1: did interesting things. Maybe it's something. And I'm like, it
Speaker 1: could be something. I don't know. But it's also nice
Speaker 1: just to live in a cool house. So maybe that's
Speaker 1: it too exactly.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, it could just be the environment, could
Speaker 7: be the land. I mean, you know, we are energy.
Speaker 7: You know, we imprint and leave our energies and houses
Speaker 7: long after we're gone. So could well be you could.
Speaker 7: And we're always drawn to certain places, certain locations.
Speaker 1: That's true. And apparently there are these glasses that you
Speaker 1: can purchase, and there is a YouTube series about this
Speaker 1: guy who found these glasses that you put them on
Speaker 1: and you can see people's oars, And I'm tempted to
Speaker 1: buy one and walk around my neighborhood or just wear
Speaker 1: them randomly to see if you can see people's oars
Speaker 1: or see if there's some orea coming from like my
Speaker 1: house or other places. Like I don't know what the
Speaker 1: glasses are, and I wish I could reference his name,
Speaker 1: but I can't, And I could just say that they
Speaker 1: remind me of the glasses from They Live. I mentioned
Speaker 1: the story of the movie with Roddy Piper earlier. I
Speaker 1: mean you can't see you know, aliens and skin suits,
Speaker 1: but you can see oars with them, which is which
Speaker 1: is very interesting. And in this podcast they talk about how,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe eighty percent of the people in this
Speaker 1: world don't have souls and and that you know, they're
Speaker 1: just they're just like NPCs as we would call them today,
Speaker 1: non playable characters, which is a video game reference. And
Speaker 1: there's only twenty percent of us that that have souls
Speaker 1: and acknowledge that these things are going on. But everyone
Speaker 1: else just kind of just hunkers down and just just
Speaker 1: makes the gears turn and just goes through their daily lives,
Speaker 1: not not thinking or caring that you know, what else
Speaker 1: could be happening.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: But the people with people who are you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say containers, that's a horrible word, but
Speaker 1: people who are or soul carriers, they you know, they're
Speaker 1: always asking questions like you and I like, we asked
Speaker 1: these questions, We have these experiences, and you know, are
Speaker 1: we ever going to get an answers? Who knows?
Speaker 2: But it's worth it's worth searching.
Speaker 7: Indeed, And yeah, it makes sense I mean walking around Yeah,
Speaker 7: that was empty. That's a high number, but yeah, empty,
Speaker 7: non original. It's probably just our generation that left.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just gen next that left, and we're
Speaker 1: all trying to figure out what's going on. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's something that's done to us as a generation.
Speaker 1: That's that's the Boomers just with their with their with
Speaker 1: their cocaine and and their their Miami vice. They just
Speaker 1: left us too, our own devices, good stuff. Right, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much, Thank you so much. It was it
Speaker 1: was easy to talk to you. You open me up
Speaker 1: quite there.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 7: To our listeners, certainly check out Ryan Plumber by Day
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Speaker 7: Thank you, Ryan, I really appreciate you coming on and
Speaker 7: sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nick. I appreciate being here and it's been
Speaker 1: a real pleasure.
Speaker 7: It's been wonderful to meet you. Okay, take care of
Speaker 7: yourself and keep in touch Nick. All right, take care
Speaker 7: bye for now, brother, Thank you. Well, that is all
Speaker 7: for this episode. Keep updated and connected with a show
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Speaker 7: encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast, you
Speaker 7: can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,
Speaker 7: or you can reach out to me via the contact
Speaker 7: page on my website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A
Speaker 7: big fang you to Ryan for sharing tonight, and thank
Speaker 7: you all for listening. I will be back next week.
Speaker 7: Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,
Speaker 7: An