WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:04.240 I'm on a group text thread with producer Colton and 2 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:07.519 my buddy Jonathan Keller that we're sort of the team 3 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:09.519 that puts together Right to Life Radio, which is my 4 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:12.599 show that I host here on Power Talk in Fresno 5 00:00:12.839 --> 00:00:16.239 on Saturday mornings from nine to ten. It's produced by 6 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:20.839 Right to Life Radio. And I am the ludite of 7 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:25.719 the group. Colton is very very much a techie guy, 8 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:28.519 Jonathan very much a techie guy. Both of them are 9 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:32.200 big Apple fanboys. Every new iPhone that comes out there 10 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:33.840 on top of it, you know, they're on it like 11 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:39.560 white on rice. And one of the ways in which 12 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:45.759 I am most a luddite is my general attitude of 13 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:54.159 despising new developments in the realm of artificial intelligence chat, GPT, 14 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:58.600 all of these different manifestations of AI that you're seeing 15 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:05.599 now being promoted in various kinds of contexts, whether it's 16 00:01:05.640 --> 00:01:09.400 helping people to write stuff, whether it's helping people to 17 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:12.680 you know, help. Basically, one of the main uses of 18 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:16.560 AI is helping students to cheat by writing exams for them. 19 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:20.319 But then businesses try to I don't know, it's like 20 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:23.840 this this or eg earnest desire to just want to 21 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.959 be in on the next cool thing, the next cool 22 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:30.840 tech thing, and want to be like, oh, I'm doing 23 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.079 this thing too, I'm utilizing this thing. And it seems 24 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:38.319 like everyone is looking at AI and trying to think, 25 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:42.280 is there some way I can shoehorn this into my 26 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:46.359 business because it's the cool, hip, trendy thing to do. 27 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:51.200 And I have found most of the uses of AI 28 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:58.560 to be stupid. I don't like it. I dislike what 29 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:03.640 it could mean down the road for all kinds of industries. 30 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:09.280 I think anyone in the radio industry should look at 31 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:14.599 AI with with deep suspicion. I think that, you know, 32 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:20.680 I think that certainly. My sister is an animator who 33 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:25.599 works for Disney, and she's worked on a bunch of different, 34 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:30.599 you know, prominent Disney animated films, and she and the 35 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:35.080 union she's a part of is very very concerned with AI. 36 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:39.280 Writers in Hollywood very concerned about AI replacing all their jobs. 37 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:44.240 Animators very concerned about AI being utilized to sort of 38 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:51.400 replace their jobs. I basically and generally, I just dislike 39 00:02:51.680 --> 00:02:56.159 the idea of outsourcing our brains to something else. For 40 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:58.159 so much of this stuff, I just feel like it's 41 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:01.479 things that our own brain could do on its own 42 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:03.919 if we just did a little more work. I sort 43 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:07.400 of there's this one part in The Lord of the 44 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:14.840 Rings where and JR. Tolkien is I think, Jerry. It's 45 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:18.000 sometimes in life you come across someone who you think 46 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:21.680 is so right about so much and grasps the truth 47 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:24.800 so clearly, whether maybe it's in your field or something, 48 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:28.960 that you just kind of become that person's disciple. And 49 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:33.199 Tolkien is that person for me. He has this one 50 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:36.400 section in The Lord of the Rings where the characters 51 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.360 the Hobbits come home at the end of their adventures 52 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.919 to the Shire and they see that some bad stuff 53 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:47.719 has happened. One of the bad characters, Sarah Man, has 54 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:51.520 clandestinely slunk back to the shire and is sort of 55 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:54.919 ruining it out of spite. And one of the things 56 00:03:55.000 --> 00:04:00.400 done was creating a new Instead of the river houred 57 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:04.319 mill that was used for grinding wheat, they produced some 58 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:08.800 new monstrosity with wheels and engines that was billowing smoke, 59 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:14.479 and the Hobbits sort of looked at it with disgust 60 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:22.000 because it was needlessly complicated, noisy, pollutive, and technologically advanced 61 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:25.240 when they had no more wheat to grind than they 62 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:29.800 had before, and a lot of AI feels to me 63 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.800 like that scene. A lot of AI feels to me 64 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:40.480 like this isn't making your problems simpler. This leads me 65 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:48.199 to a story about California public schools. Now, if there's 66 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:52.839 any kind of entity that you can really really snooker 67 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:59.199 into wasting a bunch of money on some dumb tech project, 68 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:04.079 government entities are probably a good bet, and school districts 69 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:08.639 probably are a pretty good bet. For this story from 70 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:14.920 cal Matters, California's two biggest school districts botched AI deals. 71 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:22.160 Here are lessons from their mistakes with all the hubris 72 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:27.040 of a startup founder. Alberto Carvallo, the superintendent of Los 73 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.600 Angeles Unified School District, took to the stage in March 74 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:37.120 to launch ed the chatbot. He told parents and students 75 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:42.399 it had quote the potential to personalize the educational journey 76 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:45.879 at a level never before seen in this district, across 77 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:51.399 the country, or around the world. No other technology can 78 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:55.040 deliver real time on this promise, he said, we know 79 00:05:55.279 --> 00:06:00.959 it will succeed. In June, after only three three months 80 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:07.600 and nearly three million dollars, the district shelved ed following layoffs. 81 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:10.199 Of more than half of the staff at all here 82 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:16.759 the startup company that made this controversial AI, Assistant district 83 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:20.839 spokesperson Britt Vaughan refused to answer questions about the bots' 84 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:23.720 performance or say how many students and parents used it 85 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:28.959 before the shutdown. Also in June, and AI controversy unfolded 86 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:32.399 in San Diego, where school board members reportedly weren't aware 87 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.759 that the district last summer bought a tool that automatically 88 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:45.319 suggests grades for writing assignments actually grades for writing assignments. 89 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:51.079 The dust up began after Point Loma High School teacher 90 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:54.759 Jen Roberts told Cal Matters that using the tools saved 91 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:59.040 her time and reduced burnout, but also gave students the 92 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:03.519 wrong grades sometimes times. A week later, Voice of San 93 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:05.839 Diego quoted two members of the school board saying they 94 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:08.720 were unaware the district had signed a contract involving AI. 95 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.040 In fact, no one on the board seemed to know 96 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:13.720 about the tool, the media. The news outlets said since 97 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.000 it was included as part of a broader contract with 98 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:20.439 Hofton Mifflin that was approved unanimously with no discussion, alongside 99 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:25.680 more than seventy other items. None of those school board 100 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:28.879 members responded to cal Matter's request for comments. San Diego 101 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:33.439 Unified School District spokesperson Michael Murrad said that since AI 102 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:36.639 is a quickly evolving technology, quote, we will make an 103 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:40.399 increased effort to inform more members of additional relevant details 104 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:46.600 related to contracts presented to them in the future. Mistakes 105 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:48.879 in LA and San Diego may trace back to growing 106 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.800 pressure on educators to adopt AI and underline the need 107 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:55.800 for decision makers to ask more and tougher questions about 108 00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:58.639 such products before buying them, said people who work at 109 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:02.560 the intersection of education and technol Yeah, no kidding, here's 110 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:09.199 a tough question. Why even go down this road? Sorry, 111 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:11.920 our kids in LA Unified doing so well that we 112 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:14.959 have the time to spend on such time and money 113 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:20.600 to spend on such luxuries as AI chat bots to 114 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:25.040 assist parents see this is the most common use of AI. 115 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:31.680 The most common use of AI that I've seen has 116 00:08:31.800 --> 00:08:43.000 been for tech support, help support, customer support. And it 117 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:48.799 frustrates me to no end because inevitably AI sucks at that. 118 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:51.600 You know what you need, you need a human being, 119 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:57.960 and companies providing some form of customer service for their products. 120 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:01.919 You know whether it's a school district trying to help 121 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:05.919 parents navigate something with their kids' education, which purportedly is 122 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.519 what this, uh, the chatbot that la Unified was trying 123 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:16.120 to do. Whether it's that or just you know, me 124 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:19.600 trying to figure out some PayPal thing that I'm trying 125 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:21.759 to set up for my business. This I encountered this 126 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:23.639 a couple of weeks ago. I was trying to set 127 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:27.960 up something with like a PayPal charitable account for it 128 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:30.320 was either for Right to Life or for Obria, And 129 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:32.960 I was having all these problems with it, and I 130 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:36.159 try to like, how do I call a human being 131 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:38.679 to ask them what the problem is? And what do 132 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:40.759 I get directed to? Well, I get directed to an 133 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:47.799 AI chatbot, and I tried to describe the problem. They're there, 134 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:49.360 and they're they're all hyping up a. 135 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:55.399 New AI cutting edge PayPal AI chatbot help answer your 136 00:09:55.559 --> 00:10:01.799 questions for your problems. Ooh, super slick, super smart AI. 137 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:05.279 That's what's gonna help you solve your problem? What is 138 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:05.919 your problem? 139 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:11.879 John? So? I type in my problem and it immediately says, sorry, 140 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.600 we cannot help you with this concern. We do not understand. 141 00:10:17.440 --> 00:10:23.200 Our AI brain cannot handle your incredibly commonplace problem, and 142 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:25.600 then they have to wait for someone to actually call me. 143 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:31.879 So that's the thing that the most common use of 144 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:36.960 AI is for customer service concerns, and inevit it invariably 145 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:44.320 sucks at that. But it's also like the idea. This 146 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:48.840 story from San Diego unified that teachers were using AI 147 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:57.720 to grade written exams or written papers like essays and 148 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:02.600 stuff like that. And so this teacher tells cal Matters, Oh, 149 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:07.600 it helps me avoid burnout. Everyone's burnout, burnout, Pull up 150 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:10.360 your socks, put on your big boy pants. Jeez, luise, 151 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:13.679 you're a teacher. The job of being a teacher means 152 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:18.639 grading essays. That's the job. If you're not gonna do that, 153 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:23.120 And this teacher saying, well, it helps me avoid burnout, 154 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:27.360 but you know, God forbid, I have to do my job. 155 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:32.159 But it does sometimes give kids the wrong grade. Maybe 156 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:34.919 it's given every kid the wrong grade. What so you 157 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:38.320 just sort of use this and then when a kid 158 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.759 comes to you and says, hey, this, you gave me 159 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:44.679 a D on this paper. I think it was better 160 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:47.159 than a D, Like like, what are you doing? Oh, 161 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:50.279 so you'll you'll bump up the grades that it wrongly 162 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.840 gives a low grade to But kids who are given 163 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:59.720 an A for you know, some low level effort, you're 164 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:04.759 not going to adjust those I'm pretty sure. So half 165 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.320 of these kids are going to get overinflated grades because 166 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:10.360 it was an AI bot thing that graded their paper 167 00:12:10.480 --> 00:12:15.639 rather than a human being who can exercise judgment. Also, 168 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:17.679 by the way, probably half these kids are using AI 169 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:24.159 themselves to cheat to write the stupid essays. So I 170 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:32.559 find Look, if private businesses want to utilize AI in 171 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:36.639 various ways to some extent, that's up to them. But 172 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:39.960 I do not take a totally libertarian approach to this stuff. 173 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:46.360 I think AI has all kinds of capacity to massively 174 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:51.600 disrupt the economy. And I'm not using that word favorably. Okay, 175 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:56.759 Sometimes people are like, oh, he's an economic disruptor. A disruptor. No, Like, 176 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:01.279 if you're going to introduce AI whole sale into some industry, 177 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:02.840 that's going to result in a whole bunch of people 178 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:05.519 being laid off. That's a question for the government to 179 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:09.679 maybe step in and sort of approach this and regulate it. Yes, 180 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:14.720 the federal government can approach this, Okay. If AI is 181 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:21.440 directly impacting part of interstate commerce. That is something that 182 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:25.519 Congress should get involved in. If it's impacting businesses within 183 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:27.600 the state of California, it's something that the state legislature 184 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:30.879 should get heavily involved in. All right, Sorry, Libertarians, I 185 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:32.759 think it's okay for the government to make laws about 186 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:48.480 things because I I just genuinely think people matter, people 187 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:56.279 working jobs matter. There is an economic there is constantly. 188 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:01.879 What we're seeing in our changing tech logical landscape is 189 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:05.360 a constant desire on the part of corporations to go 190 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:11.519 from American workers to foreign workers, whether foreign workers who 191 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:14.559 come across the border to get here, or foreign workers 192 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:18.879 working at a call center in India somewhere, or moving 193 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:26.840 to factory from America to China to zero workers. And 194 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:31.000 that move Libertarians often herald as, oh, well, well, if 195 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.960 they couldn't get the same work for cheaper price, that's 196 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:36.720 the invisible hand of the market. That's fine. Meanwhile, the 197 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:42.559 Midwest manufacturing blue collar sector is completely devastated. The impact 198 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:46.440 of this on our country. Over the last forty years 199 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:52.120 of jobs moving away from America moving overseas, are supply 200 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:57.200 chains becoming more reliant on China. There are macro serious 201 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:02.360 problems that occur as a result of the micro individual 202 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:06.399 decisions of these companies to shift away from American workers. 203 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:10.000 If those kinds of shifts happen in the realm of AI, 204 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:16.000 I think it is equally concerning. All right. When we 205 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:19.919 returned out, I'll go back to talking about education and 206 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:23.120 my rant about all technology in education that is next 207 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:29.159 on the John Girardi Show. Story from cow Matters. You 208 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:33.440 can get it go twitter dot com, slash Fresno, Johnny 209 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:37.639 at Frozno. Johnny tweeted about it from my Twitter account 210 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:43.279 about how LA Unified got basically blew three million dollars 211 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:50.720 on some useless AI chatbot. San Diego Unified apparently was 212 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:55.240 paying for an AI tool that allowed teachers to grade 213 00:15:55.799 --> 00:15:58.720 written assignments like essays and stuff without having to do 214 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:01.720 any work, and it was giving some students the wrong grades. 215 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:07.440 And it makes me think more generally about technology and education. 216 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:13.200 And you know, as for our context, the Girardi family, 217 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:19.120 we are homeschooling the Girardi School. Oh home Learning just 218 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:22.360 kicked off its twenty twenty four twenty five school year 219 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:27.519 on Monday because Holly was sick and tired of these kids. 220 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:30.679 It's too hot for them to really play outside for 221 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:32.600 much of the day because it's like one hundred and 222 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:36.159 ten degrees outside and people were whiney, and so Holly 223 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.039 was like, that's it. These people are doing school. So 224 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:46.000 we've got fourth grade, fourth grade, Maddie third grade. So 225 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:49.279 what are we fifth grade? Fourth grade? Anyway, We've got 226 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:54.399 eight year old Maddie. No, we got nine year old Maddie, 227 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:58.559 seven year old Sophie, six year old Jack getting started 228 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:03.159 with school, first, fourth and fifth grade. That's what we are. Okay, 229 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:09.960 there we go first, fourth and fifth grade and our 230 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:16.960 home schooling. It's not like we're zero tech involved. We're 231 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:20.200 you know, we're doing homeschooling through like a public charter thing. 232 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:24.880 So I think Maddie and Sophie have like a Chrome 233 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:27.519 book that they can use. It's mostly we are trying 234 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:30.519 to teach the girls how to type, you know, make 235 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:33.119 sure that they can learn how to type decently well. 236 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:37.720 And they have used the chromebooks for like one or 237 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.799 two assignments. But they're ninety nine nine percent of their 238 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:46.559 work based on the curricula that we are employing for them. 239 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:50.599 It is not going to be based in computers. It 240 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:56.480 just isn't it. Doesn't need to be this urge by 241 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:02.680 public school districts to and private schools. This afflicts private schools, 242 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:07.960 Catholic schools. I've seen this throughout the region, this urge 243 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:12.839 to want to have technology for all the kids, like 244 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:14.880 in mandatory that all the kids have to have a laptop, 245 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:17.160 mandatory that all the kids have to have an iPad. 246 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:23.480 I just don't like it. Like, like, I remember there 247 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:27.960 was a one private school K three private school locally 248 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:31.400 that was advertising the fact that every kid's gonna have 249 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:36.160 an iPad for school. I'm like, wow, I don't want that. 250 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:43.759 That seems like a terrible idea. I just find this 251 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:48.519 so unnecessary. Yes, kids should learn to type, but you 252 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:50.160 know what's at the end of the day not gonna 253 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:54.359 kill a third grader is writing a five paragraph essay 254 00:18:54.400 --> 00:19:01.720 out by hand. It's not gonna kill her. And also, 255 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:04.000 you know what the benefit is when you have to 256 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:06.440 write out an essay by hand. It helps actually develop 257 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:11.680 your skills with handwriting, teach the kids cursive, et cetera. 258 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:18.920 I just find the rush the need to utilize technology 259 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:25.000 in education. I just don't think it has almost I 260 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:27.039 just don't think it has much of a benefit at all, 261 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:34.799 and you look at educational outcomes from today versus forty 262 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:38.880 years ago, and clearly we're not moving in the right direction. 263 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:42.319 It's not like, you know, we've adopted how many millions 264 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:45.839 and millions of dollars of technology, or let's just look 265 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:48.440 at any individual kid. Okay, in the state of California, 266 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:51.920 we now spend over twenty thousand dollars per student per 267 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:55.839 academic year. That's a tax burden. It's over twenty thousand 268 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:58.759 dollars per student per year for a California public school, 269 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.960 and a lot of that is paying for teachers and administrators. 270 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:10.480 But there's also all this technology apparatus in schools that 271 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:15.359 are being sustained, and I just don't think it's really helping. 272 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:20.839 And so I guess when I hear of school districts 273 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:24.640 blowing money on AI chatbots and AI grading tools and 274 00:20:24.720 --> 00:20:27.400 how can we integrate AI, when really it just seems 275 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:30.039 like this is like the current fad, This is like 276 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:33.599 the current exciting thing that's happening in technology, and these 277 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:35.799 school districts just want to be cool. They want to 278 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:41.480 be like, oh, we're in on the game. Why the 279 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.359 task of teaching this second or third grader his multiplication 280 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:51.480 tables has not changed over the last seventy years. He 281 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:54.400 doesn't need AI, he doesn't need laptop, he doesn't need 282 00:20:54.559 --> 00:21:01.720 any extensive technology. We just find it so frustrating when 283 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:06.599 I look at the incredibly low tech fashion in which 284 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:11.519 my kids are learning just by homeschooling through the charter 285 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:13.519 school that you know, the charter school, which gives us, 286 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:15.920 you know, it's a great deal. I mean, it's a 287 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:22.720 public school, but they give us broad discretion with the 288 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:24.920 approval of you know, the teachers who are sort of 289 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:27.599 supervising it, to pick our own curriculum. So we were 290 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:30.000 able to pick this really good curriculum, solid kind of 291 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.640 more classical based curriculum. We can buy religion books and 292 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:38.240 stuff on our own on the side, and we're so 293 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:41.079 we're able to buy a great curriculum that gives the 294 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:45.319 kids a huge emphasis on reading, on writing, learning how 295 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.720 to write. My fourth and fifth grade are starting Latin 296 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:51.400 this year. I can I mean, I have the benefit 297 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:53.440 that I was Latin major in college, so I can 298 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:59.039 teach them. And it's so low tech, and my kids 299 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:02.160 are doing great, like they're real smart cookies. There every 300 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:06.880 standardized tests, there are always ninety whatever percentile, like it's 301 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:10.319 not a high tech thing. And the school district gives 302 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:14.480 us thirty two hundred bucks per kid per year for 303 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:21.319 buying books and educational materials, and you know, and the 304 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:23.720 money could we can also use the money towards you 305 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:25.440 can't use the money on anything. You can use the 306 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:28.640 money towards sports leagues. You can use the money towards 307 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:34.960 various kinds of educational things, like like like going to 308 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:38.519 the Monterey Bay Aquarium. We can use the charter money 309 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:39.920 for that. We can use it for books, we can 310 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:43.519 use it for educational materials, sports things, et cetera. So 311 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:46.559 it's been great, but it's super low tech. It's the 312 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:51.680 rush to have more tech and education just seems so stupid, 313 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:54.480 and of course the biggest California public school districts are 314 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.640 blowing money on it left and right. When we return 315 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:02.960 the bizarre story from a week or so ago about 316 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.440 the death penalty being taken off the table then maybe 317 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:08.279 put back on the table for some of the nine 318 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:10.240 to eleven terrorists, I want to explain some of that 319 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:12.839 from a legal perspective. Next on The John Girardi Show, 320 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:19.000 the United States throughout the course of the War on Terror, 321 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:27.319 was faced with some difficult questions about what to do 322 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:35.319 with persons captured on the battlefield in the course of 323 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:39.759 the War on Terror, because it was kind of these 324 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:46.400 terrorist groups and these terrorists themselves were sort of this 325 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:52.759 new category where we weren't exactly sure what to do 326 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:58.960 with them. On the one hand, I mean, they're certainly 327 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:05.000 not like an American criminal law defendant. We know exactly 328 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:07.880 what to do with a criminal law defendant in America. 329 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.880 If you're in the United States and you commit a murder, 330 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.119 there's a process for how we deal with it. We 331 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.200 have a whole criminal justice system set up for Okay, 332 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:20.839 you get arrested, you have these are the sort of 333 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.839 due process rights that you have as an American, and 334 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:25.839 this is what we do with you. If you commit 335 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:29.039 a crime here but you're not a citizen, their processes 336 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:34.079 for deportation, whatever. There's so there's the criminal law process. 337 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:42.920 But these terrorists that we're fighting, that maybe we capture 338 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:50.000 on the battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq, or that we 339 00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:53.720 pick up in Pakistan or whatever. So when we haven't 340 00:24:53.799 --> 00:25:01.799 killed these terrorists are not American criminal defendants, and are 341 00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:06.559 they entitled to the same due process protections that you know, 342 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:10.839 if I if I as an American citizen here on 343 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:15.279 you know, terra firma on US soil right here, if 344 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.079 I allegedly commit a crime, I'm entitled to all kinds of 345 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:20.480 due process protection them entitled to a lawyer, I'm entitled this, 346 00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:24.039 I'm titled that I've writ to a speedy trial. Blah 347 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:28.640 blah blah. You have to have habeas corpus. There are 348 00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:35.200 all kinds of protections for me. But do we want 349 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:40.799 to afford all of that to terrorists? Well, there is 350 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:44.160 another way to kind of treat them, which is the 351 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:52.319 laws surrounding the capture of enemy combatants during war. But 352 00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:56.279 the United States sort of realized, well that that doesn't 353 00:25:56.319 --> 00:26:00.279 even really apply. These are not like state actors, These 354 00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:09.079 are not uniformed military foes. Okay, And again this is 355 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:13.559 we know what to do in the context of all right, 356 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:17.079 it's the Battle of the Bulge, and you capture a 357 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:21.240 group of Nazis and you put them in a pow camp, 358 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.599 and then you have a process for how you're going 359 00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.000 to try them, and there's processes. Are you going to 360 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:28.720 release them? Are you gonna try them for war crimes? 361 00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:30.960 What are you going to do. There's a process there. 362 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.759 You understand what their do process rights are that they're 363 00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:38.279 all kinds of bodies, bodies of international law that sort 364 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:44.000 of deal with how do you treat these people. The 365 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:47.599 problem in the United States faced was we had this 366 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:51.720 body of terrorists who were sort of in this murky 367 00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:57.279 middle for which there wasn't any real clear designation. Some 368 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.000 of these guys were taken to were picked up by 369 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.200 the CIA and taken to black sites in different places 370 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.640 around the world, and a lot of them wound up 371 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:12.880 in Guantanamo Bay. Why, well, Guantanamo Bay is this bizarre 372 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:19.720 thing as far as geography and jurisdiction. It's totally under 373 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:21.920 the control of the military. It's not under the control 374 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:30.039 of any individual American state, and that sort of it 375 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:35.039 sort of represents the America. The United States government basically saying, okay, well, 376 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:40.079 we are not gonna let people in here come under 377 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:47.839 the enforcement of any individual state or federal criminal law jurisdiction. 378 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.839 We gotta hold these guys. But then there comes the 379 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:57.480 question of, well, we're just gonna hold these guys indefinitely, 380 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.720 But what is our plan with these people? You can't 381 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:10.880 let them go. They're ruthless, dangerous terrorists. There's no foreign 382 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:15.920 government to negotiate with for them, no foreign government that 383 00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:22.160 claims them as their soldier. Okay, again, this isn't a 384 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.240 German soldier that we kidnap during the Battle of the Bulge, 385 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:28.599 and we can negotiate with the German government or the 386 00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:31.759 success or German government whatever for his or her release. 387 00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:37.440 What do you do with this person? Are we just 388 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:39.960 gonna indefinitely detain this person for the rest of his 389 00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:46.680 life or Also, here's the other question, do we execute him? 390 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.759 The story in the New York Times, it's been not 391 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:54.119 the New York Times, but that's been in the media 392 00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:56.640 has been dealing with what is the United States gonna 393 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.400 do with colleague Sheikh Mohammed? The guy is one of 394 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.640 the masterminds of the nine to eleven attack. Okay, so 395 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:09.440 this guy murdered almost three thousand people on nine to eleven, 396 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:14.519 he orchestrated it. Do we execute him? Do we give 397 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:19.839 him the death penalty? Well, do we give him the 398 00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:25.480 death penalty without a trial? I mean that you kind 399 00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:28.200 of can't do that, right. There has to be some 400 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:33.680 kind of judicial process before you just execute somebody. Even 401 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.000