1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,759 Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big 2 00:00:08,839 --> 00:00:15,320 Fight Weekend. Now here is your host? DJ Leaves. Well, well, 3 00:00:15,359 --> 00:00:18,199 well we're hanging out now in the month of March. 4 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,679 We're ready to preview some fights that are coming in 5 00:00:20,679 --> 00:00:25,600 fact quickly on Friday in specific and we've got a 6 00:00:25,719 --> 00:00:30,320 huge name joining us, like fourthwith post haste because there's 7 00:00:30,359 --> 00:00:34,520 a new boxing deal being done not only by Turkey 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,039 Alashic and the Saudi's, but their partner is who Dana 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,000 White and the UFC folks. We're going to talk more 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,280 about that and the business venture and how it works. 11 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,200 You're gonna hear from Dana White with us right here 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:49,880 coming up in just a few minutes. I am merely 13 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,359 the somewhat capable host TJ. Reeves. He is our insider, 14 00:00:52,679 --> 00:00:57,039 Dan Rayphiel. You have been hustling about sixteen different directions 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,119 right now, including scoring a one on one with Dana 16 00:01:01,159 --> 00:01:04,200 White off of this announcement. They're gonna hear that coming up. 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,159 Good to be back with you here. As we head 18 00:01:08,159 --> 00:01:10,879 into a little bit of a lighter weekend, we'll explain 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,439 more a little bit, But how are things. 20 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,599 Speaker 2: I'm okay with the lighter weekend. Once in a while. 21 00:01:14,599 --> 00:01:17,680 We've come off some massive, massive fights in the last 22 00:01:17,719 --> 00:01:19,959 few weeks, so it's all good play coming up. 23 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: By the way, final chapter not written from last weekend 24 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:25,879 with Jervonte Davis and Tank Roach. More on that coming up. 25 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,680 Dan's been working on that. We have some other fight news, 26 00:01:29,719 --> 00:01:32,599 some nostalgia as well to get to thank you for 27 00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:34,879 finding us. We preview going into the weekend on the 28 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:37,480 Big Fight Weekend Preview obviously Thursday night into Friday. We 29 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:41,760 recap coming off the weekend Sunday night into Monday. Great 30 00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:46,560 to have you aboard, follow, Subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify. Where 31 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,319 are the reviews? 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With that being said, 41 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,039 all right, for the obligatory part of the podcast, before 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,039 we get to Dana White and what's up with the 43 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,199 announcement that has been made with his TKO, the parent 44 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,360 company of UFC and World Wrestling Entertainment and the Saudi 45 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:35,960 Entertainment Authority. They have come together for a new boxing 46 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,159 promotion entity. You'll explain it more coming up, and you'll 47 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:40,680 hear from Dana White before we get to that. The 48 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:45,719 obligatory preview will come for Friday, and this is interesting. 49 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,360 In the boxer all female card from London, Natasha Jonas 50 00:02:50,439 --> 00:02:55,439 is back in action as the Unified Women's Welterweight Champion, 51 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,000 fighting Lauren Price. She has one of the belts. Correct, 52 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,080 we have that, we have Caroline Dubois, the women's WBC 53 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,560 lightweight Champion. We'd get a doubleheader of women's fights on 54 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:08,080 Friday that are kind of headlining. So in the vein 55 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,080 of the preview, Dan, that's what we're paying a lot 56 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,520 of attention to for Friday, for sure. 57 00:03:12,039 --> 00:03:14,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is this is just so folks know. 58 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,360 It's the Sky Sports main event. It's The Boxer Show. 59 00:03:16,439 --> 00:03:19,000 So it's sky Sports in the UK. You know, as 60 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:22,280 I wrote a couple of weeks ago the Boxer contract 61 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,439 and deal with Peacock for their fights to be on 62 00:03:25,479 --> 00:03:29,199 the platform, which was a simulcast of the Sky Sports 63 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:32,479 broadcast that is over. But this event is still available 64 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,280 in the United States on Triller TV Plus. If you know, 65 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,560 it's one of those deals it's like, I don't know, 66 00:03:36,599 --> 00:03:38,599 seven I subscribe to. It's like seven bucks a month 67 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,319 or something like that. Anyway, this card is on there 68 00:03:41,319 --> 00:03:42,680 if you want to watch it in the United States. 69 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,479 In any event, Jonas and Price it's you know, for 70 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:48,479 women's boxing, isn't important and a pretty good fight. It's 71 00:03:48,479 --> 00:03:50,960 for three of the welterweight titles. Jonas has two of 72 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,960 the belts. Lauren Price has one of the belts. They 73 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,560 this is not does not come out of the blue 74 00:03:55,639 --> 00:03:57,400 or anything like that. They were on the same card 75 00:03:57,639 --> 00:04:01,439 together back in December when they both had victories and 76 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,599 it was you know, promoted as like the last step 77 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,520 let's say to get to this unification. But one of 78 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,960 the big differences between the two women, and they're obviously 79 00:04:10,039 --> 00:04:12,759 both excellent fighters, is you have a Natasha Jonas who 80 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,719 has been around for a very long time. She's forty 81 00:04:14,759 --> 00:04:17,480 years old, and she's been a credit to women's boxing 82 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:19,720 and boxing in general for a very long time. She 83 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,480 was a twenty twelve Olympian and has all kinds of 84 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,839 accomplishment in the sport and has been she was the 85 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,160 first ever British female Olympian for boxing, and so it's 86 00:04:29,439 --> 00:04:32,399 you know, she's had a great ride and she's popular 87 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:36,120 and beloved figure. Lauren Price is only thirty years old. 88 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,600 She's ten years younger, and she is an Olympian who 89 00:04:38,639 --> 00:04:41,319 was a gold medalist for Team Great Britain in the 90 00:04:41,319 --> 00:04:44,079 most recent Olympics, in the twenty twenty Games that became 91 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,480 I don't know, was it the twenty twenty twenty twenty Olympics. 92 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: The twenty twenty one Tokyo Yeah, yeah to. 93 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So she won the Olympic gold medal and 94 00:04:52,319 --> 00:04:54,480 that not not the most recently summer Olympics that were 95 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:57,120 this past summer, but in twenty twenty that became twenty 96 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,759 twenty one. Like you said, anyway, she is on the 97 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:03,439 feat and as moved quickly. Women's boxing for the most part, 98 00:05:03,519 --> 00:05:05,240 if you're if you're good, you don't need a lot 99 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,639 of fights, more like more of the fights that the 100 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,800 men have before they get to the championship level. So 101 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,160 they've been promoting this to get together and unify these titles. 102 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,920 That's fighting. They're fighting at the very famed Royal Albert 103 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,519 Hall in London, so it's sort of a big deal. 104 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:21,360 And as you mentioned, it is an all women's cart 105 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,279 and uh, may the best women win. But it is 106 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,720 hard as good as as Jonas has been in her career. 107 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,959 The ten year age difference, my friend, gives me a 108 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,160 lot of pause because Jonas is really good. But at 109 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,399 some point that does catch up to you, whether it 110 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,120 be Price who's a lot younger, and and uh and 111 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,480 and just been fighting at a high level herself. So 112 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:47,319 but these are two of the more accomplished ladies in 113 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,639 the sport for at this moment. So I actually, uh, 114 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,560 you know, I've never been the biggest women's boxing fan, 115 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,800 but when the best women do fight each other, you know, 116 00:05:54,879 --> 00:05:56,879 I'm certainly into it. We're going to talk about another 117 00:05:57,079 --> 00:05:59,000 big time women's fight a little bit later, but you know, 118 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,240 put Price in Jonas in the ring, you know, I 119 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:02,879 think that's worth time to check it out. 120 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:05,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting too that I was just thinking this when 121 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,680 you were talking. Remember Cecilia break Who's dominated this division 122 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,639 for a decade, and it shows you just how much 123 00:06:11,639 --> 00:06:14,560 she dominated it because Jessica McCaskill had some of the 124 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:18,199 titles and now these ladies have have are going for 125 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,920 three of them. There's been a lot of musical chairs, 126 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,000 like in the last year or two in this division. Well, 127 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,800 the name when the name Breakoos was there like from 128 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,959 the mid twenty tens until almost twenty twenty one or 129 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:29,600 twenty twenty two. 130 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:34,759 Speaker 2: When when in their first fight, when when Breakhu's lost 131 00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:39,079 to mccastal in a very close, you know, somewhat disputed decision, 132 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:41,560 she became the undisputed champion in that fight. And then 133 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:45,279 eventually you know, belt started this point, this and that, 134 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,600 but it became a fractured division and these women are 135 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:49,680 trying to put it back together. 136 00:06:49,959 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: There you go, And again Caroline Dubois was just in 137 00:06:52,199 --> 00:06:54,040 the ring. We were looking this up. I said it. 138 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,600 She was in the ring fifteen minutes ago. Rayfield said, no, no, 139 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,160 settle down. It was January, so it is rare on 140 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:01,759 the activity. But she fought a fight in which the 141 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,040 opponent suffered a bad cut. She had also heard her 142 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,959 late in the second round, and then they stopped the 143 00:07:07,959 --> 00:07:10,720 fight because of the cut, and it would ended up 144 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,000 being a no contest. 145 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: So she's right back, no, no, no, it didn't that's 146 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,519 the problem, and saying no, it was a technical draw. 147 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,040 But no, but that's that's a problem because in Britain 148 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:23,480 it's it's stupid. So she gets a blemish on her 149 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,439 record as a draw, which is nonsense, because she was 150 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:27,480 beating a living shit out of jessic Ka Kamara. She 151 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,680 was about to knock her the fuck out. They had 152 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,240 the head butt, she got cut, and they called it 153 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:34,000 a technical draw, and then they stopped the fight two 154 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:36,560 seconds into round number three. And so because the four 155 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:39,879 rounds were not completed, you know, in under the normal 156 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:42,160 roles in America, it would have just been a no contest, 157 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,639 but for whatever reason, in the UK they called it 158 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,040 a technical draw. If the fight had been in the 159 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:47,680 United States, it would have been a no contest. And 160 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,199 so she winds up with an unnecessary blemish on her record, 161 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,480 which is really unfortunate. So I feel like she's gonna 162 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,879 go out there with her opponent bo Me Ray Shin, 163 00:07:56,399 --> 00:07:59,639 a fighter with a eighteen to three record a woman 164 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,639 from South Korea and probably kick some ass. 165 00:08:02,519 --> 00:08:05,199 Speaker 1: Probably, And you did not go down. And I don't 166 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:06,720 sing it either to you. You did not go down 167 00:08:06,759 --> 00:08:09,319 the musical scale of do ray me. You didn't do 168 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,639 that from sound of music. You went instead bow me 169 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:15,800 ray I'm just making jokes. Maybe I'm a little punchy 170 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:18,480 on a Thursday night, all right, So that's the the 171 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:22,480 primary preview for the weekend. Let's let's get to what 172 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:24,759 we have right straight away, as the Brits like to 173 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:27,560 say straight away, and that is the news that I 174 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,759 have already referenced here of this merger the Saudi Entertainment 175 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:37,559 Authority aligning now with TKO, which is the parent company, 176 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,080 the multi billion dollar company that oversees UFC and World 177 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,879 Wrestling Entertainment. So again, this story sent some shock waves. 178 00:08:45,919 --> 00:08:48,480 I was texting with you saying, what does this mean? 179 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:50,440 Are these guys looking to wipe out all the other 180 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,120 boxing promotions. So before we hear from Dana White in 181 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:57,639 a couple of moments on his own about this, tell 182 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,759 me what your read is, what you think about this, 183 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,440 and a little more before we get to the interview. 184 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,279 Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're not looking in the long run 185 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,759 to wipe out boxing promotions of other companies, but that's 186 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:09,559 never going to happen. Boxing is too much of an 187 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,279 international sport. There are promoters everywhere in the world that 188 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,960 have different starfighters, and at least the way that Dana 189 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:18,679 said to me, believe otherwise fair enough. They're going to 190 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,159 do their thing in their bubble and try to make 191 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,879 it the biggest and the best thing they could. It's 192 00:09:21,919 --> 00:09:24,240 not so much a merger. What it is is Turkey 193 00:09:24,279 --> 00:09:28,159 and Sella from in Saudi Arabia are paying TKO ten 194 00:09:28,279 --> 00:09:30,960 million dollars a year on a multi fight year deal. 195 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:33,639 They didn't say the number of years to administer and 196 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,360 run this new promotion, and they will fund the events 197 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,039 and obviously if it reaches a certain threshold of profitability 198 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:43,039 that I believe TKO will come in and make profit 199 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,759 as well besides just the fee they're being paid. So 200 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,360 from the people from the point of view of the 201 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,080 TKO people, as you mentioned, they oversee they're the parent 202 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,559 company of UFC of WWE. They're in like a no 203 00:09:54,879 --> 00:09:57,360 lowse situation because they get to play in a sandbox 204 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,720 that they're coming into in boxing. They obviously have a 205 00:09:59,759 --> 00:10:03,399 mass experience in terms of putting on events, UFC events 206 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,240 and wrestling events, so they understand about ticket selling and 207 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,360 merchandising and in ring, in in arena experiences, doing broadcast 208 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,639 deals and all the things go into making it. But 209 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,559 they're not going to have to put up any of 210 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,440 their own money. They're going to just make a fee 211 00:10:17,759 --> 00:10:20,399 on these events. And the Turkey and the saudi'st obviously 212 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,879 have a large amount of money to spend on this 213 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,960 as they try to make their way through it. So 214 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,799 they made the formal announcement of this deal yesterday, and 215 00:10:27,879 --> 00:10:31,600 so Turkey and Dana White, who obviously is the president 216 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,440 and CEO of UFC, and then also Nick Con who 217 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,519 is a WWE president, they were making the rounds all 218 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,240 day in New York, and just for the purposes of disclosure, 219 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,240 Nick Con was my representative, my agent from two thousand 220 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,879 and six to twenty twenty when he was at CIA. 221 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,120 In any event, they're going to run that they're going 222 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,720 to be the top executives that run this promotion, and 223 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,799 Dana of course will be the outfront guy like he's 224 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,919 been with UFC, and they will try to build this 225 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,159 thing to the biggest level that they can and it 226 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,320 doesn't have a name yet. You know the promotion, you 227 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:05,440 know the way we have you know, top rank or 228 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,240 Golden Boy or match, and they don't have a name. 229 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,279 They don't have any fighters under contract just yet. They 230 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,639 don't have a broadcast deal just yet, although I'm sure 231 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,679 we'll get one given the strength of the personality and 232 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:19,600 the success that WW and UFC have had, and they've 233 00:11:19,639 --> 00:11:22,480 got a lot to do, but this is the start. 234 00:11:22,519 --> 00:11:24,440 They rolled it out in a big yesterday. Dana did 235 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,480 like ten thousand interviews, it felt like, including he's looking 236 00:11:27,519 --> 00:11:28,519 he was, I have to say this. 237 00:11:28,879 --> 00:11:29,159 Speaker 3: I was. 238 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: I had scheduled this with one of his PR people, 239 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:33,440 and I know Dane a little bit for the last 240 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,240 you know, ten to fifteen years. Not like we're close 241 00:11:36,279 --> 00:11:38,279 to anything, but we've spoken several times. I've met him 242 00:11:38,279 --> 00:11:40,600 a few times whatever, But I don't run in the 243 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,440 UFC circle, so we've never really had a wreck a 244 00:11:42,519 --> 00:11:44,840 real reason to like on a regular basis. 245 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 3: But I was. 246 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: I was excited to talk to him to hear his 247 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,480 views on this, because he's talked about coming into boxing 248 00:11:49,519 --> 00:11:51,600 for such a long time and never actually taken the 249 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,000 plunge until now, and he explains the reasons for that. 250 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,200 But the thing about it is, as he enters this, 251 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,600 it's it's I'm all for competition, and let's see what 252 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,039 they can do and that they can make an in 253 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,639 print and put on big events and bring some clarity 254 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:05,039 to things. 255 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: Great, speaking of clarity, clarify this before we get to 256 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,039 the interview. This is not going into a fact now, 257 00:12:10,279 --> 00:12:12,639 Am I correct on this? This is a twenty twenty 258 00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:14,759 sixth thing? And my right or what have you found out? 259 00:12:14,799 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: And what are they saying twenty twenty six with an asterisk? 260 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:20,200 So in the press announcement that they issued, they went 261 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,879 through a few of the particulars and they made the 262 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,919 thing that they said they were going to, you know, 263 00:12:25,159 --> 00:12:29,320 allow all the UFC performance institutes in Vegas and Shanghai. 264 00:12:29,399 --> 00:12:31,039 And I figured where the third one was that they 265 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:33,399 all get their athletes, will you know, have the highest 266 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,159 level of that in terms of training facilities. And then 267 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,240 one of the other bullet items was the first event 268 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:44,120 twenty twenty six, you know, TBA And so that may 269 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,639 be the case, but you'd have to be living under 270 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:48,759 a rock or be just an absolute idiot not to 271 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,519 think about the fact that Turkey has a four fight 272 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,360 deal now with Canelo Alvarez and he doesn't have like 273 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,360 an official promoter like when he was with Matchrom or 274 00:12:57,399 --> 00:12:59,320 with Golden Boy, or even when with he was doing 275 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,919 fights with p and TGB. And so Dana uh is 276 00:13:04,039 --> 00:13:07,120 going to be doing these events for this unnamed company. 277 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,559 You know that Turkey and that Saudi's are backing. I believe, 278 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,360 and I've heard the rumblings over the last couple of 279 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,559 days that that it would seem logical that in the 280 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,039 end that that TKO based company will end up promoting 281 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:21,879 the fight between Terrence Crawford and Canelo Alvarez that will 282 00:13:21,879 --> 00:13:24,960 take place in September, presumably Canelo when he defeats. 283 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: Making too much sense now, but yeah, that seems like 284 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,039 the place where you would begin, right, yea, it would 285 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,320 be better than that to begin with. 286 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:33,039 Speaker 2: Well, I mean what a way to make a splash. 287 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,240 I mean in their first event. Yes, like I said 288 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:37,000 all along, I mean Dana when he when he's going 289 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,879 to go do something, he's not going to look to 290 00:13:38,919 --> 00:13:40,840 do it on a small level. He's a guy that 291 00:13:40,919 --> 00:13:42,519 wants to make a big splash. He's not I don't 292 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,320 think he's not not amenable to doing some smaller events 293 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,080 and building younger fighters, but he likes the big time 294 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,519 stuff and this is no doubt it would be a 295 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,639 big time thing. So we spoke about that little bit. 296 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:54,559 People can hear it in the interview. And so look, 297 00:13:55,159 --> 00:13:57,759 boxing world is changing. Everybody better buckle up because it's 298 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:58,879 SUPs happening. 299 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: And the money that's flowing over where. Not that I love, 300 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,840 not that I don't love hearing from you, but why 301 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,000 don't we hear from Dana White about this again? You 302 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,519 spoke to him in the aftermath of the announcement, and 303 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,559 this is gonna be a little lengthy. I'm just saying 304 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,799 this to the audience. And by the way, the two 305 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,480 words that the kids say worth it. 306 00:14:16,039 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a couple of things about this. So I 307 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,519 was making the point though, because he was doing so 308 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,120 many interviews and you know, and I'm this, I wasn't 309 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,840 like upset by this, but you know, things get backed 310 00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:27,679 up because you're not on an exact one minute time limit. 311 00:14:27,759 --> 00:14:30,039 And he had although yet he got his publicist text 312 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,080 me he's he's sorry, we're running all the lady got 313 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,639 pulled into a meeting and he got pulled into something 314 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:36,279 else anyway. So my interview with him was set for 315 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,399 a certain time and in the end it didn't happen 316 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,080 until about two two and a half hours later, which 317 00:14:40,159 --> 00:14:42,720 was fine, But as I joked around with him, I said, 318 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,879 you know, you've been doing all these interviews. I feel 319 00:14:44,879 --> 00:14:46,799 like I'm the I'm at the tail end of a 320 00:14:46,919 --> 00:14:48,799 very long day. Because he started off doing interviews like 321 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,080 in the early morning, and he was on like some 322 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:52,279 of the ESPN shows. I think he was on like 323 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,559 you know, CNBC and this and that, and I was like, 324 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:55,559 I hope you're still in a good mood. 325 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:55,879 Speaker 4: He left. 326 00:14:55,879 --> 00:14:57,679 Speaker 2: He says, I'm in a great boot. And you wouldn't 327 00:14:57,679 --> 00:14:59,879 have known that. I was like interview number like you know, 328 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:01,279 fifty of the day or something like that. 329 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: You should never be interview number fifty of the day. 330 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,600 That's okay if you were number if you were number seven, 331 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,120 like Mickey Mantle from your Yankees, that would be you know, 332 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,000 about the h I would think that would be about 333 00:15:13,039 --> 00:15:13,799 the limit. 334 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:16,279 Speaker 2: How about have you here, let's hear from Dana White. 335 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: Enough of this blather. Here is Dana White specifically on 336 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,320 what they're doing, why they're doing it again, This is lengthy, 337 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:27,159 but worth it, and then you'll hear us after it's done. 338 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: Well, it is my great pleasure to welcome to the 339 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:33,000 show this week the one and only Dana White. You 340 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,159 know him as the UFC, the top dog at the UFC. 341 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,840 But now Dana, you're coming into boxing. I'll just explain 342 00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:42,440 what's going on. You know, your your parent company TKO, 343 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:45,960 made a deal with Turkey al Chic to bring your 344 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:49,240 forces together to create this so called boxing league that 345 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,879 you're going to be the front man for. Similar I 346 00:15:51,919 --> 00:15:54,200 guess what you do with UFC and UH and try 347 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,600 to try to make your your bones and boxing like 348 00:15:56,639 --> 00:15:59,000 you've done on other combat sports. So first of all, 349 00:15:59,039 --> 00:16:00,639 welcome and congratulate your deal. 350 00:16:01,639 --> 00:16:02,759 Speaker 3: Thanks buddy, I appreciate it. 351 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, my pleasure. So that got finalized and as has 352 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,320 been announced UFC or I guess it's TKO. Really you 353 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,799 get a ten million dollar fee from the saudi'st to 354 00:16:12,879 --> 00:16:16,600 run their promotion an annual and annual, an annual feed 355 00:16:16,799 --> 00:16:18,759 to put this on and to work the magic that 356 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,080 you have done in the MMA space. And so you 357 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,840 have talked Dana for many years about becoming involved in 358 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,440 boxing promotion, and so my first question then, is why 359 00:16:28,519 --> 00:16:30,000 is right now the right time for this? Because you 360 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,200 have talked about it a lot. 361 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've looked into it a lot and and 362 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,840 sort of played with it. And then literally every time 363 00:16:36,919 --> 00:16:39,440 I got on the phone with a boxing guy, I 364 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,639 would literally say, why the hell am I doing this? 365 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:44,399 Speaker 3: This is insane? You know, why would I put myself 366 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:44,720 through this? 367 00:16:45,399 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 4: And everything in life, and definitely everything in my life 368 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:49,879 has come down to timing. 369 00:16:50,399 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: And you know, I know a lot of people are 370 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:54,039 going to talk about money and money. 371 00:16:55,159 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 4: I got money, I could go out and raise money, 372 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,559 I had had raised them at one time, and everything 373 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:05,160 I do, everything by gut, and it just didn't feel 374 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,039 right to me. About a year and a half ago, 375 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,160 Nick con made the introduction to me in Turkey, and 376 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:16,839 you know, I'm a weird dude and like I like 377 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,039 to stay in my own little space, my own little bubble, 378 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:20,119 and do my thing. 379 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: I wasn't interested in any of this stuff. 380 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:24,039 Speaker 4: But over the last year and a half he and 381 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:28,640 I have created a relationship to the point where not only. 382 00:17:28,559 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 3: Do I like him, I trust him. 383 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 4: I've done business with him, and he and I are 384 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,160 very aligned in our outlook on boxing, our thoughts for 385 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,119 the future and this was the right time, the right place, 386 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:44,160 and the right people to. 387 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 3: Do it with. 388 00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: Well, I will give my listeners a brief disclosure. Nick 389 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:50,640 Cohn represented me as an agent for fifteen years through 390 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,480 my career at ESPN, So just to get that out there. 391 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:55,119 Nobody can accuse me of not being honest about that. 392 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,440 I really got to tell the people the real truth. 393 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:59,039 You know what I'm saying. 394 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,079 Speaker 4: I don't think it has a bearing on what we're 395 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,440 talking about or understood, you know, you as a as 396 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:08,279 a reporter. 397 00:18:08,599 --> 00:18:11,759 Speaker 3: Or or a journalist. You know, it's just Nick Cohn 398 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,160 is the one who made the introduction. 399 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,599 Speaker 4: He used to be with c AA, then he ended 400 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:21,400 up with WWE, then we did the acquisition of WWE. 401 00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 3: And you know, Nick is a. 402 00:18:24,079 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 4: Big, big, big boxing fans, has always had his hand 403 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:29,359 sort of in the. 404 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 3: You know, in the boxing business. 405 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: As I used to joke around with Nick. I think 406 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,440 that's why you put up with me for so long, 407 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,200 because I was a boxing guy and he liked boxing. 408 00:18:36,279 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: So there you go. 409 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:40,519 Speaker 2: But you know, I understand how you're talking about how this, 410 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:43,480 uh the introduction was made, but how did it come 411 00:18:43,519 --> 00:18:45,680 about from the standpoint like let's do a deal. Was 412 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,000 it you saying to Turkey, hey, let's do something him 413 00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:51,000 saying to you, Hey, what do you think maybe we 414 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:52,799 should do some business on the boxing side of things. 415 00:18:52,839 --> 00:18:55,839 Obviously you had worked together on MMA events with UFC, 416 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,440 and I just wondered, did it, like, how did that 417 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:02,079 come about? In terms of who who was the one 418 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,279 that like asked for the first date? 419 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:04,319 Speaker 3: I guess you're You're. 420 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,279 Speaker 4: You're the You're the you're the only guy that's asked 421 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:09,359 me that after doing one hundred and fifty seven and today. 422 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 3: That's that's a So Turkey wanted to hire. 423 00:19:16,079 --> 00:19:22,599 Speaker 2: Me to come, uh run the boxing you like, that's 424 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,599 the ring stuff, the read season stuff, the business. 425 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:31,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, basically what I'm gonna do now. Yeah, we're 426 00:19:31,319 --> 00:19:32,440 going to do it through TKO. 427 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not leaving the UFC or you know, 428 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,119 the things that I'm working on here now. 429 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,759 Speaker 3: So we brought the whole thing. 430 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 4: Into t KO. 431 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: And and so that was your sort of I guess 432 00:19:46,279 --> 00:19:47,799 I don't want to come work for you and then 433 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,759 leave UFC, but we can still do business by doing 434 00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:52,279 it in this manner, and he was open to that. 435 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,839 Speaker 4: It worked out that you know, he and I both 436 00:19:57,319 --> 00:20:00,640 like each other, trust each other and feel like we 437 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:04,920 are aligned and what we want to do in the sport, 438 00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:08,279 and we just ended up getting. 439 00:20:08,039 --> 00:20:08,599 Speaker 3: A deal done. 440 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: Okay, So you have, as you mentioned, TKO, the parent 441 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,359 company of UFC now the parent company of WWE. You 442 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,440 also obviously have Power Slap. And it feels like when 443 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,319 I look at it from the outside, I see, well, 444 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,400 you've got those particular things I just mentioned, but that 445 00:20:22,559 --> 00:20:25,160 boxing was sort of the one missing element, let's say, 446 00:20:25,279 --> 00:20:28,599 of the combat sports portfolio, and it made sense. 447 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 4: It was not Yeah, that's what people are looking at 448 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,240 as far as oh, does this round out. 449 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,079 Speaker 3: TKO and all? This has nothing to do with the 450 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,160 TKO side of it. 451 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:40,559 Speaker 4: I only do things that I like to do with 452 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,680 people that I like to do with it, do it 453 00:20:42,759 --> 00:20:46,079 with right and you know, power Slap for me, I 454 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,119 saw it, there was a gut thing. 455 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 3: And I wanted to do it, so I went out 456 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,920 and did it. And now the same thing with boxing. 457 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,079 I liked it. It's like if I like something, you know, 458 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:02,359 I'll I'll talk to Ari and I'm like, I want 459 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,839 to do this. Can we do it? We end up 460 00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:05,960 figuring out how to get it done. 461 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,759 Speaker 2: So one thing, I'm interested and I've seen in a 462 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:09,440 lot of the particulars that have been put out. I 463 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,240 have obviously got the press release, and I've seen some 464 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,000 of the comments that have been made, some of the 465 00:21:13,079 --> 00:21:15,559 things that have been said. Why are you referring this 466 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,359 to as a league? When I think of a league, 467 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,720 I think of like a team and they're going out 468 00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:21,519 to play the other team. You know, because if you 469 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:24,160 think of like baseball, or you think of NFL or NBA. 470 00:21:24,519 --> 00:21:26,359 But but it seems like the word league is being 471 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,000 used to describe what I view as a promotion. 472 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: The word league. I'm with you. I hate the word league. 473 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: Okay, so we're on the same page with that. It's 474 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,160 a boxing promotion, there we go, okay, promotion. The only 475 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,640 thing is I thought I was missing something. 476 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: You know, I know you're not. 477 00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 4: You're You're absolutely right. I couldn't agree with you more. 478 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,480 But but but here's the difference. Uh, skip you in 479 00:21:44,519 --> 00:21:46,440 the car. I got the great Skipper Calvirom the. 480 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 3: CARKI when when did when did boxing start? Sixteen first place? 481 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:53,759 Speaker 4: Sixteen eighty one was the first boxing match? 482 00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 3: Okay, you know, twenty twenty five. 483 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 4: Now think about this think about any brand, business, sport, 484 00:22:01,519 --> 00:22:05,640 anything that has created trillions of dollars in revenue, been 485 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,759 around for hundreds of years, right, yeah, and at the 486 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,880 end of the day, there's nothing there, literally nothing. 487 00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 3: So I guess you could look at us as a 488 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,039 league because we're gonna build a business. 489 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 4: Right, We're actually gonna build a business with boxing, which 490 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,640 has never been done before. It's never even been attempted before. 491 00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:27,000 People say that it has because this guy raised money 492 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,000 and that guy raised. 493 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:31,559 Speaker 3: Money, but there was no no plan to really build 494 00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:31,960 the league. 495 00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 4: All anybody's ever done that the sport is take from it, 496 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,359 take money, take money, take money. 497 00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 3: Nobody's ever reinvested back in the sport. 498 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,279 Speaker 4: The only one who has ever invested in the sport 499 00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:45,240 of boxing, Oh you shake turty? 500 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, understood, I get that. I mean it's ever invested. 501 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 4: So we are gonna build a business in where we 502 00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:55,480 build this brand, which you know I'm looking at at 503 00:22:55,519 --> 00:22:58,640 TKO being the name of it. You know, we're still 504 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,279 kind of playing with some things. There's a lot of 505 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,400 things that need to be worked out still as far 506 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,920 as the business goes. But we are building a business. 507 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:07,559 We are building a brand. So I could see where 508 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,680 you know. I know Turkey called it a league. I 509 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,400 even called it a league in the video today. But 510 00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:14,599 at the end of the day, it's it's you know, 511 00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:19,960 if you call the NFL a league, right, yeah, then 512 00:23:20,519 --> 00:23:23,519 the UFC, I guess you could call the league whatever. 513 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's it's it's complicated. 514 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 2: It was sort of like that was actually that was like. 515 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,480 The next question I had in my mind is that 516 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:32,960 I sort of looked at the announcement of the league, 517 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:36,279 so to speak, as somewhat audacious from the standpoint that 518 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,160 you make the deal with Turkey. Yet the league, as 519 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,599 you say, has no name yet, as you just mentioned, 520 00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:46,440 to my knowledge, no broadcast deal in place yet, although 521 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,240 maybe you do and you haven't told anybody about it. 522 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,160 To my knowledge, you don't have fighters under contract just 523 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,000 yet in terms of the boxers, and no specific set 524 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,480 date other than in the press release saying first event 525 00:23:57,559 --> 00:23:59,640 in twenty twenty six. So there's a lot of on 526 00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:02,519 edge questions. But it seems to me that the force 527 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:05,960 of the Dana White personality in Turkey Hooschek makes people 528 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,559 sit up and say, oh, this is legit, This has 529 00:24:07,599 --> 00:24:08,440 got to be the real deal. 530 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 3: It's legit. It's the real deal. 531 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,599 Speaker 4: And yes that the the you know we're we're in 532 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,039 the part is way ahead of the horse situation here 533 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,599 right now we're announcing, you know that what we're doing. 534 00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:21,880 But there's still a lot of work that needs to 535 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,200 be done. Nick CON's flying out the Vegas next week. 536 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,240 He and I are going to sit down and basically 537 00:24:27,319 --> 00:24:31,079 start building the infrastructure. I've already got the space. We're 538 00:24:31,079 --> 00:24:33,359 already ripping the space apart and starting to build and 539 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,519 figure out how many offices we're going to need and 540 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,359 all that stuff. 541 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:38,559 Speaker 2: So there is no broadcaster in place yet, that is 542 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:40,880 what you're saying. No, no fighters on our contract yet, 543 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:41,920 right So if. 544 00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:43,319 Speaker 4: You wanted to ask me how many fights are going 545 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,839 to do a year, it's going to depend on uh, 546 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,400 on who we do a deal with, what they're looking for. 547 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,559 You know, I say this all the time. If you 548 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,079 call Kevin k who used to be the uh, you know, 549 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,960 the head of Spike TV. If you call Eric Shanks 550 00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:01,279 from Fox, you know, if you call Tribute Pataro, ask 551 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,000 any of these guys who's the best sports partner they've 552 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,839 ever been in business with. 553 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,519 Speaker 3: I'm a good fucking partner, you know. 554 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:09,839 Speaker 4: What I mean, So we will go in, we will 555 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,480 cut a deal with somebody, and we will basically build 556 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,559 this thing around what they need for programming. 557 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: Are you looking to do multiple deals? Because I mean, 558 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:21,559 there's plenty of professional sports outfits that have broadcast partners 559 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:23,480 that are more than one. NFL has a bunch of 560 00:25:23,559 --> 00:25:25,640 NBA as a bunch, Major League Baseball has lots of 561 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,079 local They obviously just you know, are finishing with ESPN, 562 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,960 but they also have had Fox. Are you trying to 563 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,799 do multiple deals? Are you looking to have one home 564 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:34,279 that's going to depend on. 565 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 4: How this whole thing plays out. What's fascinating right now 566 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,039 that's happening in the will? 567 00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:38,799 Speaker 3: How are you Dan? 568 00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 2: I am fifty four years old. 569 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 3: Yes, so we're the same age exactly when you and 570 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,960 I grew up this channel three, Channel five. 571 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 2: Where I was it with six, ten and thirteen. But 572 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:48,480 I hear you same thing. 573 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:48,799 Speaker 3: There you go. 574 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 4: Then in high school we had like thirty three channels 575 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,960 on Cape Satellite Hit. And then when you think of 576 00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:57,119 the peak of linear television when ESPN was, you know, 577 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,799 getting seven bucks a sub and all this other stuff, right, 578 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,839 it was massive. Now you know it's also linear starting 579 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:08,960 to go away. We're heading into you know, the world 580 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:12,000 is becoming a much smaller place because of streaming. And 581 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,359 I think there's going to be a Channel three, Channel five, 582 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,119 Channel eight, and Channel thirteen again globally. And the question 583 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:19,480 is who's it going to be. Is it going to 584 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:23,160 be Amazon, YouTube, Disney? You know, list goes on and 585 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:25,880 on of who the players are going to be. But 586 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,720 what's fascinating right now is when you look and you've 587 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,160 got the NFL, college football, NBA, college basketball, you got 588 00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:38,880 the NHL, the Major League Baseball, the NBA, you got UFC, 589 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,640 WWE and tennis, and the list goes on and on 590 00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,359 of all these sports power slab, all these sports that 591 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,240 are looking for rights deals right now, right And I 592 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,640 was just saying the other day, it's going to be 593 00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:54,200 interesting because even the majors, unless sure, the fucking NFL 594 00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:59,119 and college football, NBA's numbers are dropping drastically. 595 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:01,519 Speaker 3: You know, the. 596 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 4: Major League Baseball just went back and ESPN turned them down. 597 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,400 Not only do they turn them down the deal, they 598 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,720 cut their fucking what their deal. 599 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 2: Was in half, more than half. It was five fifty 600 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,920 a year to two hundred they offered it. 601 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,559 Speaker 3: Right, So it's going to get fascinating here. I just announced. 602 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: So when I announced this on Friday, they embargo the 603 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,920 story on power Slap. I always go out and figure 604 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,880 out how to build shit without the help of anybody. 605 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,920 You don't believe in my fucking thing, beautiful, no problem. 606 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,160 I'll go out and figure it out myself. That's what 607 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,200 I do, because then you get into the combat sports thing. 608 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,319 Top rank just lost their deal, right, Top rank lost 609 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,960 their deal. You got Eddie Hearn, you got you know, 610 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,920 these bare knuckle boxing guys that are running around looking 611 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,279 for everybody's looking for a TV deal, everybody's looking for money. 612 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 3: I always try to. 613 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 4: Figure out how do I take my thing to the 614 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:55,480 next level and figure it out on my own without 615 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:58,160 our first part. Think about this, Top Rank had ninety 616 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,799 million dollars, right, first Spike deal. 617 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:01,559 Speaker 3: Is thirty five million. 618 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 2: Box did pretty well of. 619 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 4: Thirty five million dollars, you know. Then from there we 620 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,160 went to Fox on Fox deal was like one hundred 621 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,640 and ten, you know what I mean. We had less 622 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,200 money and just a little bit more money than Top 623 00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:16,680 ranked did. 624 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: And look at what we built. 625 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: You went to a billion at ESPN, yeah, or in 626 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:25,880 the ballpark, yeah, eight and change still pretty darn good. 627 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,319 So now you mentioned in the press announcement that the 628 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,920 first event of this would be twenty twenty six. Now, 629 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,480 I hear rumors all the time, Dan, I'm listening to people. 630 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,240 I'm talking to people every day in the boxing space. 631 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,960 May not follow UFC Ultra closely or anything like that, 632 00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:40,839 but in boxing, I got a lot of people that 633 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,480 talk to me about a lot of different things. Twenty 634 00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:45,480 twenty six may be the case, but I know there's 635 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,119 a mega event that's supposed to take place in Las 636 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,720 Vegas in September between Kenel Alvarez and Karence Crawford. Kenel 637 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:54,599 Alvarez just announced and Turkey and Hint did a four 638 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,200 fight agreement that's going to commence with the fight that 639 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,400 will take place in Saudi Arabia coming up in May. 640 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,039 But that fight in September is supposed to be back 641 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:04,000 here in the United States. Boy, wouldn't it be make 642 00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:06,000 a lot of sense that Canelo does not have a promoter, 643 00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:09,839 specifically that the Dana White in this new league that 644 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,880 doesn't have a name yet, it starts at the very 645 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,799 top of the sport and promotes the biggest fight in 646 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,720 North America that you could possibly make. Right now, one 647 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,720 of the biggest fights in the world period, is that 648 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:18,799 on the Is that on deck? 649 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 4: That would be amazing, That would be amazing. 650 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,519 Speaker 2: That does that come up? I can't imagine that. 651 00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: It's not. 652 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:27,799 Speaker 2: He's got the number one star in the sport. And 653 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,440 like I said, when all the people were talking about 654 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,519 Dana White coming into boxing, I was like, Okay, bring 655 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:34,880 it on. You know, I'm all for a competition. But 656 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,359 I can tell you one thing, even though I don't 657 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,160 know you, well, I've followed you. Dana White's not coming 658 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,200 into boxing to do four round preliminary fights and be 659 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,160 called a day. He's gonna do it. He's gonna try 660 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,119 to do it at the absolute peak level of the sport. 661 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,039 Speaker 4: Well, what I do is but what I do is 662 00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,319 I come in and build things that people think can't 663 00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:54,559 be done. I take niche sports and pull them up 664 00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:55,759 and turn them into monsters. 665 00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:56,359 Speaker 3: That's what I do. 666 00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,759 Speaker 4: That's my passion, right. I mean, if you look at 667 00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:01,599 what I I did with the UFC, why the fuck 668 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:03,839 would I get involved in power slap right? Why would I? 669 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,319 Speaker 3: Why would I do that? You know why? 670 00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: Because I believe in it. I think it can be 671 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:10,920 big and uh, you know, nobody else does. I mean, 672 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,960 that's that's basically what I do now. I also believe 673 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,759 that the sport of boxing is absolutely broken and has 674 00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:18,799 to be fixed. It has to be rebuilt from the 675 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,200 ground up and and and that's pretty much what I'm 676 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:23,519 good at. 677 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: So are you going to be promoting Crawford and Canelo? 678 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not some guy that has to walk in 679 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,960 and do you know all leave forman you know, because 680 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,640 I you know, it's it's a big ego play. 681 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 3: It's the exact opposite. 682 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 2: No, I'm thinking, I'm thinking that's the way to make 683 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,799 the splash. Though you can do all that stuff, but 684 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,240 you make the splash at the highest level. 685 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 4: Listen, we made a splash today, I mean just the 686 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,680 announcement that we're going to do it as a splash. 687 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,200 But I'll say this to you, anything is possible. Anything 688 00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:48,759 is possible. 689 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,359 Speaker 2: So one of the things in terms of boxing, you 690 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:55,359 check it it's broken. You know that it's that people 691 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,319 haven't invested in through the years, that you're looking to 692 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,200 change that sort of concept the way things are. So 693 00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:02,839 I guess the question is what do you think is 694 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,799 the biggest thing that you can do in boxing to 695 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,359 make it better than all the things that you've kind 696 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:07,559 of ragged on it about over the years. 697 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 4: What's the thing you just answered your own question? Literally 698 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,519 all the things that I have ragged on over the 699 00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:14,640 years is exactly what I mean. 700 00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 2: But there's got to be priorities. Though you can't do 701 00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:17,440 everything at once. 702 00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:21,519 Speaker 4: You can, though you can. So here's how you build 703 00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:25,160 a business. Right in the comment spot, everybody focuses on 704 00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:29,240 all this other goofy shit. Number One is go out 705 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,039 and find the best up and coming talent that you 706 00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:34,000 can find. Number two, put on the best fights that 707 00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,240 you can possibly put on, from the first fight of 708 00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:36,640 the night. 709 00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 3: To the last fight of the night. 710 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 4: Make sure that the live in house production is off 711 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:44,200 the charts right, and that everybody who shows up has 712 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,920 a good experience, and the people that are watching at 713 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,920 home have to have that same experience too on television. 714 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,480 And then the other thing that I do is I 715 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,279 sell holy shit moments. 716 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,799 Speaker 3: Right, That's what I do for a living. Now I 717 00:31:58,039 --> 00:31:59,359 have to have three or four. 718 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,559 Speaker 4: Holy shit moment it's a night to make the people 719 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,960 that paid for tickets and people that watch it on 720 00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:06,640 TV to feel like they got their money's worth. We 721 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,559 have gotten the UFC brand to a place where I'll 722 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,480 put on I'll say I'm coming to a town, tickets 723 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,440 will sell out before I even announce the main event. 724 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:18,279 I also have gotten, you know, to a place with 725 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,319 my fan base where they know that if something falls 726 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,839 off the card, people don't start returning their tickets. 727 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,039 Speaker 3: They know I'm gonna put something else on. 728 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 4: There that's either as good or better than the first 729 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,279 fight we had. So I have a really good relationship 730 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,920 with my consumer and that's what boxing doesn't have, and. 731 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,039 Speaker 3: That's what I need to build. 732 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,759 Speaker 2: So what do you think then are the differences? You 733 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:45,240 obviously have vast experience promoting MMA through your UFC affiliations, obviously, 734 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,000 but what are the what do you think is the 735 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,240 biggest difference then that you're going to need to do 736 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,839 maybe a little differently to promote the boxing it is. 737 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,839 You know, they're similar, but they are different sports. They 738 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,160 do have somewhat different fan bases. What are you looking 739 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,000 at in that respect? 740 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,559 Speaker 4: You need to build a good product. As long as 741 00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:01,599 you build a good product, you know what I mean, 742 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,279 it's gonna I'll give you an example, like the difference 743 00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:09,400 between UFC and other sports like I'm an NBA fan. 744 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,400 I'm a Celtics fan, right, I shouldn't say I'm an 745 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,680 NBA fan. I'm a Celtics fan. 746 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: Now, when I when? 747 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,519 Speaker 4: When? When the games are on TV, you got to 748 00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:19,960 watch the last six minutes. 749 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,599 Speaker 2: Of the game, right, Other than that, that goes with 750 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,799 pretty much any basketball game. 751 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 3: I guess it's true. 752 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 4: And it's not a great sport on TV in my opinion, 753 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,119 it's slow and boring and da da. But when you 754 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,640 go live, it's awesome. I love live basketball now. The 755 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,440 NFL is incredible on television. I don't like the NFL 756 00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:42,880 so much live. I don't like being at the sitting 757 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,519 in the traffic and getting to the stadium. 758 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,839 Speaker 2: Well, we agree on both of those factors. I feel 759 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,480 the same way about the NBA and the NFL. What 760 00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:51,039 you're saying, right, and the game. 761 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,559 Speaker 4: Looks different live than it does on TV. The NFL 762 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,119 is probably one of the most perfect products you'll ever 763 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,400 see on television. 764 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,519 Speaker 3: It's so good on fucking TV. Right, yep. 765 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:06,799 Speaker 4: Now, boxing is bad live and bad on fucking TV. 766 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily agree with that, but I hear what 767 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,360 you're saying. There's definitely things that can improve. 768 00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 3: The UFC is exactly opposite. Well, I'll give you an example. 769 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,079 Speaker 4: My son, who's been going to UFC his whole life, 770 00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:19,079 he just went to the Tank Davis fight the other night. 771 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:21,360 He asked me to buy them tickets, so I bought 772 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,119 them tickets to the fight. He said the live experience 773 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,119 was terrible. He said it was completely fucking unorganized, and 774 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,280 it's just he couldn't say enough bad things about it. 775 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,639 Then when you watch it on TV, you fucking sit 776 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,000 there all night waiting for a fucking these guys will 777 00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:41,960 put on a fight and then do a podcast. Then 778 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,360 another fight will fucking come on, and they do. You know, 779 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,599 you blow your whole evening sitting there waiting for them. 780 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,119 Speaker 2: I have to I will say this though, in terms 781 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:50,760 of what happened on Saturday with the Tank fight. And 782 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,679 I've been a critic of exactly what you said many times. 783 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,960 The PBC folks that ran that Tank Davis show, they 784 00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,039 finally got it figured out because they actually was only 785 00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:01,079 a few minutes between fight. They actually ran them in 786 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,679 pretty quick. They didn't have anthems and a lot of nonsense. 787 00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:05,880 They didn't even do some in ring interviews. After some 788 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,599 of the pay per view fights. So that was actually 789 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:08,800 better than it's been believe it or not. 790 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 4: Apparently they didn't even do replays. 791 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,639 Speaker 2: Well, that's a whole different story. The one thing I 792 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,960 was thinking about, but it's not. 793 00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:19,079 Speaker 4: It's part of the story, Dan, if you're not an 794 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:22,599 avid UFC watcher, right, But what happens is when something 795 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,000 happens I poke low blow, uh, you know, knockout, the 796 00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:29,800 fucking replay plays during the fight. 797 00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 3: While the fight's still happening. We do the replay. We 798 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,679 have multiple camera I am a fucking well psycho, Dana. 799 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 2: They did have They had the replay, they just were 800 00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:41,280 not able to apparently to transmit it in time from 801 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,159 the truck to the replay. Officially had to look at 802 00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,519 the official replay. But that's a whole different matter. 803 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,639 Speaker 3: But it's not. 804 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 4: It's all part of the fucking problem. It's all part 805 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,880 of the problem. There's no money going in for fucking 806 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,639 production the way that it should be. Our production is 807 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,039 second to none, and. 808 00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 2: You're bringing that to this TKO project. 809 00:35:59,079 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. 810 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 2: One of the things I was thinking about though, when 811 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,400 I was asking about the differences between promoting and then 812 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,239 they in boxing. Yes, there are things in terms of 813 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,800 the arena experience and as you just mentioned, the pacing. 814 00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:09,800 I also think about on the business side of things, 815 00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:13,119 like for example, you know, like the boxing promoters, they 816 00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,320 are bound by the Federal Muhammad ali Ak and so 817 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,840 they have certain things that have to do on the 818 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,239 business side of things that will make it different. If 819 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,760 you're promoting boxing compared to and then they win, is 820 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,440 not covered by that. 821 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, we will be too, but none of these guys 822 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:28,199 think outside the box. The bigger problem with what the 823 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,400 boxing promotion is nobody wants to spend the money, right, 824 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,199 Nobody wants to spend the money. 825 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,599 Speaker 3: You have to spend the money to be invested in 826 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:36,119 the business. 827 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,599 Speaker 2: Boxing is such a worldwide sport UFC, I mean, and 828 00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:41,440 then you guys kind of created it. Not to say 829 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,960 it didn't exist before UFC came along, but you've obviously 830 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,519 changed it into you know, to become what it would 831 00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:51,119 it became boxing. There's there's big time promotions that happen 832 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,119 all around the world in their own countries that they 833 00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:57,320 do other things. I mean, you know, I don't know 834 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,079 if can you not are you looking to roll up 835 00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,079 all these different places around the world to do this? 836 00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:03,199 I mean a lot of great fighters and champions come 837 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,119 from all places in South America, Asia, throughout Europe and 838 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,639 you know, in in the former Soviet countries, et cetera. 839 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,239 I mean, is this going to be American focused or 840 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,760 is this like all over. 841 00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:13,559 Speaker 3: The bust global. 842 00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:14,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be global. 843 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 2: You're gonna do events globally and and yes, we'll. 844 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 4: Do events globally and and understand this, I'm not here 845 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,199 beating my chest like I'm the fucking big you know. Oh, 846 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,320 I'm gonna come in and I'm gonna fucking fit. I'm gonna, 847 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,360 believe me, this is gonna be a very humble beginning. 848 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,159 I'm gonna I'm gonna start from the ground up try 849 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,400 to rebuild this business. 850 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 3: And uh yeah, I'm. 851 00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 2: Don't don't take a sense, but I've never really heard 852 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,119 the words Dana White and humble in the same sentence. 853 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,679 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I'm going to be very humble in the 854 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,360 way that we build this sport. You know, I'm not 855 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:49,840 coming in crash bang boom. I want all the big 856 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,119 events and i want to be you know, I'm gonna 857 00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:54,199 come in and I'm gonna build this thing. Think when 858 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,119 we bought the UFC, right there, going bankrupt. We bought 859 00:37:57,159 --> 00:37:59,599 those three letters in old wooden octagon and we had 860 00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,920 twelve contracts, right and look at what we built. 861 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 2: How many do you have that? How many contracts the 862 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,119 UFC right now? 863 00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:07,079 Speaker 3: Over a thousand? Wow? 864 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 2: Okay, So if you're doing I heard some of the 865 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,679 comments in the earlier in the day when you guys 866 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,840 were doing some the video, for example, in some of 867 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,480 the other interviews and stuff, that you were specifically talking 868 00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:21,039 about like, you know, we don't need like the letters. 869 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,079 I took that to mean the sanctioning bodies. You know, 870 00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:25,480 we don't need five belts, four belts, three belts whatever. 871 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,480 Are you looking to dislodge the sanctioning bodies from their 872 00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:29,760 position or do you want to work with them in 873 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,800 some capacity or do you want to create your own belt. 874 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 4: I'm going to create our own belt. 875 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,639 Speaker 2: But that is against themamad Ali reformat though, you know that, right? 876 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, we got to figure that out. Okay, Yeah, 877 00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:43,440 I'm not interested in working with sanctioning bodies. I have 878 00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:44,679 no interest in it whatsoever. 879 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 2: So Turkey has been working with the sanctioning bodies as 880 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,360 he's doing these big read cards and the ring magazine cards. 881 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:50,960 How do you square that circle. 882 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,280 Speaker 3: He will continue to. 883 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, but just not with TKO's project, you know, not with. 884 00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:58,199 Speaker 4: The thing that I'm working on. 885 00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:01,079 Speaker 2: I'm working on, not working with them, okay. 886 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:07,519 Speaker 4: And doing less less weight classes, you know, not three 887 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:09,320 fucking weight classes in one weight class. 888 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 2: You're not looking at You're not looking to change the 889 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,000 number of pounds that the tradition has been for one 890 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:15,719 hundred years of like the featherweight divisions or twenty six 891 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,000 pounds right exactly, okay, exactly, now going to stay the. 892 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 4: Same, ten rounds, twelve rounds, all that stuff stay the same. 893 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,440 I'm just I want the best guys that I have 894 00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:29,480 in the organization, fighting the best till they get up. 895 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,719 When when when guys get up into the top five, 896 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,920 there's no question to the top five best guys are 897 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,559 in the weight class. 898 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,199 Speaker 2: And I figure the weight classes will continue to exist, 899 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,760 you just may not use all of them within the 900 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,519 content confines of this promotion one hundred okay. So the 901 00:39:42,599 --> 00:39:44,360 other question that is this Turkey. 902 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,599 Speaker 4: Here's the other thing. These sanctioning organizations will exist too, 903 00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:48,280 because guess. 904 00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 3: What, Eddie Hearn isn't going anywhere. 905 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 4: Eddie Hearn's still going to be around and and all 906 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,480 these other guys that will still be you know, promoting 907 00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:58,559 the sport of boxing, are still going to be there 908 00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:00,519 and still do everything I'm a mean the way they 909 00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:04,000 always did. So and then as far as relationships go, 910 00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:06,519 there's guys that I'm really cool. I love Eddie Hern, 911 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,480 I respect Eddie Hern Me and Eddie Hern I'm assuming 912 00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:11,559 will always be cool. And there's gonna be guys that 913 00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:13,840 I don't like. I don't like Oscar Day, Lakoya and 914 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,320 Bob Aerm and you know these guys. 915 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,639 Speaker 2: So so that that was that was I was kind 916 00:40:19,639 --> 00:40:21,559 of getting at. Turkey has been doing business with Queens 917 00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,280 Queensberry and Matt Room, some top ranked Golden boy even 918 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,559 working with all these promoters and bringing them together to 919 00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:28,960 do the mega cards. So my my my thought was, 920 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,719 you know, does Dana White and the New Project do 921 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,719 you want to reach out and do you could you 922 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,800 do co promotion on a right fight with Eddie or 923 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,280 are you looking to do what you've done with the 924 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,880 UFC where you know, you you haven't worked with you know, 925 00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:42,719 one championship or you know Bellatour when they were doing 926 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,320 their thing or PFL or what have you. 927 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,119 Speaker 4: Right now, that's a great question as of right here, 928 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,239 right now, I'm going to live in my own little 929 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,480 bubble and do my own thing. Yeah, but that doesn't 930 00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:55,760 mean that I don't respect the other guys that are 931 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,440 out there, or just like the other guys got that 932 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,719 that's all going to remain the same. 933 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 2: So then I wonder this, and this actually was something 934 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,920 that popped in my mind immediately when I heard about this, 935 00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:07,840 this potential project. There have been a lot of UFC 936 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,320 guys through the years that have wanted to try boxing 937 00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:12,679 for whatever reason. You know, obviously Connor McGregor Floyd may 938 00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:14,320 whether it be in the number one example and the 939 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,119 amount of money and interest of that generator, but there's 940 00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:18,440 been others. We saw it happen with France and Naganho 941 00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:20,679 not that long ago. But if TKO is running a 942 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,599 boxing league, a boxing promotion and you have your fighters 943 00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:26,000 under contract with UFC, is it one of those things 944 00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:28,320 where if they're under contract with UFC and they come 945 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,840 to your folks at UFC and say, hey, I would 946 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,440 like to go try my head at boxing, that you 947 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,719 could seamlessly allow them to do that in some capacity 948 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,400 because you're still the promoter under the TKO banner. You 949 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,480 know of the the whatever. 950 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 4: I definitely could, but I'm definitely not interested in doing 951 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,039 the the you know, the matches between discipline, so you know, 952 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,840 the boxers will box and the MMA guys will fight. 953 00:41:49,519 --> 00:41:51,559 Speaker 2: Understood. I will wrap up with this because we've been 954 00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:53,400 doing this for a bit. I wonder when you think 955 00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:55,239 when you lay your head down at night and you 956 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,519 think about all the things that have to get done 957 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:00,000 on your laundry list, of your your checklist of stuff 958 00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:03,360 that you need to deal with, Uh, what is like 959 00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:06,280 the number one thing that you that was like the 960 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,920 reason that you wanted to do this Because you said yourself, Dana, 961 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,480 You've got You've got your own money, you can raise money. 962 00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:13,960 You don't need this headache. Your busiest heck already with 963 00:42:14,119 --> 00:42:17,320 UFC and with your other endeavors. But why why this? 964 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,840 And what is the first thing you got to do 965 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:19,840 when this all gets rolling? 966 00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:25,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just felt like the timing and the Turkey 967 00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:29,239 relationship and all this stuff was you know, I just 968 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,800 felt it, and I do everything by gut. Number one. 969 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,559 Number two, the first thing that needs to get done 970 00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:35,599 is we need to build infrastructure. We need to build 971 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,639 the right team, you know for this project. I always 972 00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:42,800 surround myself with really good. 973 00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:43,280 Speaker 3: People, you know. 974 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,039 Speaker 2: And when you say team, what what roles are you 975 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:49,440 speaking of? Is it like, you know, an executive matchmaking? 976 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I need I don't need executives. I need matchmaking. 977 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 4: We got the legal I need U operations, people like 978 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,119 my girl Amber that runs the shows, the fucking animal, 979 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,840 you know what I mean. I need people like those 980 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,800 are the key people I need. I need ops, I need, 981 00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,320 I need matchmaking, And. 982 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 2: Uh, you need a talent scout to go sign some fighters, right. 983 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, We've got a laundry list of guys. We've 984 00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:20,960 got over one hundred and fifty guys right now that 985 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,239 we're looking to sign. Okay, but that even the fighters 986 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,039 that are going to be signed are all going to 987 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,400 be determined by our rights deal. 988 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,920 Speaker 3: And uh, you know what they need, you don't. 989 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,159 Speaker 2: You don't sound too concerned about getting a right steals 990 00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:33,719 the point. 991 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 4: Listen, I just did a fucking right steal for for power, 992 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,000 slap for insane money. 993 00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 3: I figure that stuff out. That's that's what I do. 994 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,800 Speaker 4: I mean, I will always figure out how to run 995 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,079 the business and how to distribute it to as many 996 00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:48,920 people as possible. 997 00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:51,639 Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking forward to seeing how you shake things up. 998 00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:53,039 I think it's gonna be very interesting. And I'll just 999 00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:54,880 say this, I'll see you at the Canelo Crawford by 1000 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,159 which I think you're going to be promoting. 1001 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Dan, Thanks. 1002 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 2: Dana, Thanks a love for doing this. Thank you very much. 1003 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,840 Good luck with everything, Have a good day thanke care. 1004 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,800 Speaker 1: All right, So put a bow on this for now, 1005 00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:10,519 if you would. There's a lot of optimism. I mean 1006 00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:12,880 one other thing that I will just add to what 1007 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,960 you're talking about. He has built an empire off of 1008 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,880 the UFC concept. Obviously, the WWE stop laughing people at 1009 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,440 wrestling because Nick con who you were talking about, and 1010 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,480 the WWE people got a five billion dollar with a 1011 00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:34,159 B five billion dollar deal with Netflix for Monday Night wrestling, 1012 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,440 a ten year Monday Night Raw deal for five billion dollars. 1013 00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:42,960 These are serious people, obviously. Just to follow up one 1014 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:43,920 more time and put a bow. 1015 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 2: On it, no doubt they're serious people. I know Nick 1016 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,320 con Well, I mean, like I said, he represented me 1017 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,360 for fifteen sixteen years. You know, in large measure the 1018 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,280 beautiful home I live and I owe in large measures 1019 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,079 do is negotiating. 1020 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,119 Speaker 1: I often joke the house that Nick con built. 1021 00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:01,360 Speaker 2: I listened to. I used to joke around with Nick 1022 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,480 about that that and this is this. God's on his truth. 1023 00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:05,400 I would joke with him. I said, if I could, 1024 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,159 I would carve the letter c AA in my front lawn. 1025 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,719 Thank the company for the beautiful contracts I had for 1026 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,360 all those years with ESPN. But I would be fine 1027 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,039 by my homeowners association. But your point is well taken. 1028 00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:18,880 These are serious people who know the business end of things, 1029 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,960 and they've been dramatically successful in what they do, and 1030 00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:24,599 I have every expectation that they will have some modicum 1031 00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:27,280 of success in boxing as well. And it's going to 1032 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,599 be very interesting to watch a play out. I mean, 1033 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,119 you know, it doesn't start until probably next year. Maybe 1034 00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:33,800 they'll do an event at the end of the year, 1035 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,119 as I reference with potentially doing Canelo and Terrence Crawford. 1036 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,880 But they, you know, Dana's ding, as they heard in 1037 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,960 the interview, is now to ramp it up to you know, 1038 00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:45,199 get their matchmaking in order get their their operations people 1039 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,480 that they need to run these events. And obviously they're 1040 00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:49,800 gonna have to go sign fighters, which with the money 1041 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,599 that they have at their disposal, with Turkey and the 1042 00:45:51,639 --> 00:45:54,599 Saudi's backing them, probably won't be very difficult to either 1043 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,840 sign some of the top young fighters in terms of 1044 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,760 amateurs and or free agents. Who are you know, promotional 1045 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,079 free agents or people whose contracts expire. So listen, you know, 1046 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,559 I'm very interested to see how it plays out. And 1047 00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:11,519 I listen. I've said from day one, I welcome competition boxing. 1048 00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:13,119 You know, there's nothing wrong with a little shake up 1049 00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:15,519 here and there. You know, they're gonna do a few 1050 00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:18,039 things different. I mean, Dana talked about. Look, you know, 1051 00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:20,480 they're not looking to play with other promoters, and they're 1052 00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:22,239 not looking to deal with the sanctioning bodies. They're gonna 1053 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,079 want to try to create their own belt. They Turkey 1054 00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:26,400 owns the ring belt. Now that said, there are things 1055 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,480 that are going to be different. You know, promoters in boxing, 1056 00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:32,960 unlike UFC and MMA, can't have their own belts because 1057 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,280 that is a against the Federal Muhammad Ali. But maybe 1058 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,119 there'll be a movement to repeal that Act. I hope 1059 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:41,199 they don't because it does do some protections to the 1060 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,400 professional boxers. But I've never understood, other than outstanding lobbying 1061 00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:49,639 by UFC, why the ALI Act does not cover mma, 1062 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,480 but it does boxing because everything about it is the 1063 00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:55,000 same except the actual you know, location of the fights, 1064 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,760 the octagun instead of a ring. But that's a story 1065 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:57,400 for another day. 1066 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 1: All right, good on that. Let's get to some news. 1067 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,320 So when you and I last talked, it was the 1068 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,440 aftermath of the Tank Davis Lamont Roach fight. You broke 1069 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:14,199 news on our podcast, our Fight Freaks Night Recap podcast 1070 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,639 to us and to the audience hustling on Sunday that 1071 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,320 the New York State Athletic Commission had said to you, 1072 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,719 essentially that we didn't get a clean look at whether 1073 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,199 it was a knockdown or not for Javonte Davis in 1074 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,360 the time window that we needed to. So in the 1075 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,360 aftermath of that, there's been a lot said, There's been 1076 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,519 a lot going on about that. You know, again, I 1077 00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:43,000 find it dubious. That's the word that I have that 1078 00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,639 the executive director wasn't in the middle of that. This 1079 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,840 is me saying this up on the ring apron saying, 1080 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,920 hold on, we're in between rounds. We want to see 1081 00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,679 whether that was a knockdown before we resumed the fight, 1082 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,800 and none of that happened. So we're not going to 1083 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:55,400 relitigate all this. 1084 00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 2: So why would he get on the ring to stop 1085 00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:58,639 the round. 1086 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,559 Speaker 1: And to make sure that they had look at it. 1087 00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:04,280 Speaker 2: That's not permissible under the rules of the replay. 1088 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,280 Speaker 1: Well, they had sixty seconds in between, and then you 1089 00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,639 said another thirty seconds, right, and they can also call 1090 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,880 time and say but it wasn't about They wouldn't have 1091 00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:14,079 in the middle of the round, not on the middle round, 1092 00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:15,199 So no thing is they. 1093 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,760 Speaker 2: Can they do the review while the round is going 1094 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,639 on if necessary, right. In other words, they had two minutes. 1095 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:24,320 My impression is that the replay was sent to them 1096 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,960 within seconds after that he hit the deck, so they 1097 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,920 could theoretically review it in those final two minutes and 1098 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,800 make the call and then then use the one minute 1099 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,280 and then potentially thirty more seconds. There was no reason 1100 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:36,920 for anybody to get on a ring apron. That's not 1101 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:37,760 even part of the deal. 1102 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,119 Speaker 1: The bottom line is hold on, hold on, all right, 1103 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,480 So two minutes have gone by under the theory that 1104 00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,440 you just said, and if they don't have a good 1105 00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,599 look at the replay, I'm back to my original point. 1106 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,840 The executive director should be up on the ring apron 1107 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,239 saying what I'm saying in between rounds. He can go 1108 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,159 up to the referee and say, we've got to look 1109 00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:01,920 at this. Hang on on, we call time whatever to 1110 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,440 look at it. 1111 00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:04,559 Speaker 2: That is, I'm not going to sit here and argue 1112 00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:06,639 with you about that. We can talk about it off 1113 00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,480 the air. That is not how it operates under the 1114 00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:12,960 rules of the Commission. They they let's get to the news. 1115 00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:16,440 The news is the attorney for Lamont Roach Junior, has 1116 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,320 sent the Commission, Matt de Laglio, who was the executive director, 1117 00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:23,400 a letter saying that they want a hearing, a review, 1118 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,159 and all that which which to the credit of the Commission. 1119 00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:28,119 Even before that letter was sent, they said they were 1120 00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:30,920 reviewing the situation. So that's good. They all know that 1121 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,000 there was a problem. But they made the case in 1122 00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:35,199 the letter that I published on my subject, so people 1123 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,159 can certainly go there and check out the folk. It's 1124 00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:41,360 like a four page letter that details it the way 1125 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,679 that the lawyer approached it is not even basing it 1126 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,280 on strictly knockdown or not knockdown. They're saying they should 1127 00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,800 turn it into a victory for Lamont Roach. And the 1128 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,679 thing that they included that part of it with the 1129 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,079 knockdown and not calling it properly. But the point that 1130 00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:57,840 they emphasized at the beginning of it was really about 1131 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,920 the fact that he went to the corner Tank and 1132 00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:03,920 that his corner person, Calvin Ford, came up the stairs 1133 00:50:04,199 --> 00:50:06,119 with the talent to wipe him off, all of which 1134 00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:07,960 is illegal. You're not allowed to go to the corner 1135 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,800 and turn your back. They could be you know, you 1136 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,440 could be told that you're abandoning the fight, and he 1137 00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:14,800 could have been stopped on a TKO, or he could 1138 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,360 have been disqualified because the cornerman came up the steps, 1139 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,559 or he could have been disqualified or had a point 1140 00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:21,800 deduction for both of these infractions of coming up the 1141 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,079 steps as well as wiping off the fighter. And the 1142 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,559 referee Steve Willis had opportunities to penalize Tank in a 1143 00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:32,239 multitude of ways, but chose not to do any of them. 1144 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,760 And so if it takes one point, certainly could have 1145 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,199 taken two points for the different infractions. One point, wrote wins, 1146 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,239 two points. He wins comfortably, and so that's what they're making. 1147 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,280 The point to the permission is that they need to 1148 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,199 turn this from a draw into a victory for our client. 1149 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,800 So we'll see they're going to obviously go through the 1150 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,039 process and presumably at some point they'll be hearing and 1151 00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:50,880 they'll see what happens. 1152 00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:52,840 Speaker 1: It seems like we did all of this in the 1153 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,840 spring of last year with Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia 1154 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,840 and trying to get the verdict overturned into a win 1155 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,599 for Haney. And you said there is precedent in other 1156 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,679 jurisdictions that this has happened before. What, Okay, give me 1157 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,960 the raid. What's the likelihood that they're going to get 1158 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,320 it reversed to a win? I think almost nil. I 1159 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,800 think almost none. What I mean, ultimately, is the best 1160 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,079 case scenario that they avoid the outcome. 1161 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,920 Speaker 2: No, I don't think they. I don't think the Roach 1162 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,920 people want the outcome avoided because that helps Tank because 1163 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,320 it takes the blemish off his record. Look, Roach, Hardy 1164 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,000 has a loss to herring from a few years ago. 1165 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,840 This is you know, he's got a draw, so this 1166 00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:31,159 is not going to impact his record. He wears he'll 1167 00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:33,039 wear I believe, like a like a badge of honor. 1168 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 1: But you don't. 1169 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,000 Speaker 2: You don't. They don't want it to become a no 1170 00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:37,519 contest because they want that blemish on Tank. Stavid Tank 1171 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:41,159 Davis's record. So in terms of the Devin Haney situation, 1172 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,559 it's very different because a drug test is different than 1173 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,239 than a than a cascade of errors that were made 1174 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,760 in the context of a round that are easily provable 1175 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,159 by a replay. Look. Uh, so that one had a 1176 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,760 chance to be overturned, it obviously wasn't. This one I 1177 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,559 believe has a better chance to be overturned, but probably 1178 00:51:58,639 --> 00:52:00,920 won't be. I mean, I guess that's just they usually 1179 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,639 don't change those things, but you never know. If you 1180 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,679 make the right argument, You've got, you know, a good lawyer. Hey, 1181 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:06,679 they can look. 1182 00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:09,679 Speaker 1: At it clearly. When the guy is admitting that I 1183 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,239 had the grease with the sweat coming out of my 1184 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,480 hair into my eyes and I had to have it 1185 00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:16,719 wiped off because I could have gotten knocked out. I'm 1186 00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,440 paraphrasing what Gervonte's Davis said after the fight. That is 1187 00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:25,239 definitely grounds for something should have been levied against him. 1188 00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,719 Speaker 2: You bring up a good point, though, and I forgot 1189 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,840 that I mentioned to you about the making and emphasizing 1190 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,519 the fact that he came up the stairs and there 1191 00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:31,840 was a lot of things that were against the rules 1192 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,800 that went on the second point that they make in 1193 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,599 this letter prior to getting to the point about missing 1194 00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:39,519 the knockdown, is the fact that Davis admits that he 1195 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:42,079 wore that stuff in his hair. And in this it's 1196 00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:44,800 very clear in the rules about having nothing on your 1197 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,920 body that could be an irritant. And if that theoretically, 1198 00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,480 if they're banging heads and they're they're you know, in 1199 00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:54,239 tight in a in a clincher, you know, head to head, it. 1200 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,440 Speaker 1: In his eyes, yes, eyes, So they make that as. 1201 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,000 Speaker 2: A point that all, so it should be grounds for 1202 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,280 him breaking their rules. So, look, they have I'm not 1203 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,320 a lawyer, but I've covered boxing a long time and 1204 00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,840 I've seen a lot of protests that are nonsense. This 1205 00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:11,800 is not one to me that is nonsense. They got 1206 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,239 a lot of things that they can work with. Now, 1207 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,719 whether the Commission will have the fucking balls to do 1208 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,320 something about it, that remains to be seen. And I 1209 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,199 also can guarantee you that if they did overturn the decision, 1210 00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:25,519 I promise you on all of my boxing posters that 1211 00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:28,199 the folks at PBC and TGB will be suing the 1212 00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:31,320 New York State Athletic Commission to oblivion based on that 1213 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,360 particular situation. So this ain't done yet, is the point. 1214 00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:40,280 Speaker 1: There will be lawyers. As we often joke, stay tuned, lawyer. 1215 00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:44,239 Let's let's let's get to let's get to happier and 1216 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,760 more interesting news. So full disclosure here, I haven't even 1217 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,559 shared this with you earlier. On Thursday morning, I went 1218 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:58,559 with Missus Reeves, my father, and we went to beautiful Lakeland, Florida, 1219 00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,960 in between Tampa and Orlando. The Twins' high school basketball program, 1220 00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:04,760 of which they are JV players, was playing in the 1221 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,559 state championship semi final Dan Rayfield. It did not go 1222 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,480 well in the semifinal that were beaten by the team 1223 00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:12,679 from Miami, but still a great experience. The team got 1224 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,119 all the way to the state semifinals. I am in 1225 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,599 the stands Dan Rayfield, getting ready for this morning basketball game, 1226 00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:22,519 and suddenly on my phone ding, like your phone ding. 1227 00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:26,159 We get notifications social media ding, lights, bells, buzzers like 1228 00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:30,679 we've always talked about that. There's an announcement from MVP Promotions. 1229 00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:36,000 And the announcement is that Amanda Serrano and Katie Taylor 1230 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,400 are going to fight again in July. Third third fight 1231 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,960 for them. It's back at Madison Square Garden. It's back 1232 00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:43,440 on Netflix. 1233 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:44,400 Speaker 3: That's the best. 1234 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 1: So, so tell me more about this, because I'm I'm 1235 00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:51,599 sharing with somebody that is in the stands. I'm like, 1236 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,679 I know you're a boxing fan. How about this? They're 1237 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,239 gonna fight again? Look at it. It's right here on 1238 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,679 my phone. So that's how I found out about it. 1239 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,880 So they announced this on Thursday. Tell me more about it. 1240 00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:00,840 Le's get into it a little bit. 1241 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's been expected. I mean they've been 1242 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,559 you know, there's not been like a lot of secrets 1243 00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:07,039 to say that. They've been discussing this fight. Eddie Hern's 1244 00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:08,880 been talking about it. It's a fight that the fans want. 1245 00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:11,199 Both of the women involved are certainly open to it. 1246 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,159 It's clearly the fight that the fans want the most 1247 00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:17,360 in terms of either of what Amanda could do or 1248 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,239 what Katie could do. It's certainly from a financial standpoint, 1249 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,119 will pay both Amanda and Katie their biggest persons they've 1250 00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,559 ever had, and they've made their previous biggest persons by 1251 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,800 fighting each other anyway. And so Netflix had a huge 1252 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,079 success not only with the Tyson Jake Paul main event 1253 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,679 where they set all kinds of records for streaming, but 1254 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,239 the undercart fight between you know, this was the co 1255 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,639 feature when Jake and Tyson had their bout back a 1256 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,239 few months ago that that Doubt in particular, on its 1257 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,280 own did something like seventy four million worldwide viewers on 1258 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,119 average through the course of the fight, which is gargantuan. 1259 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,119 And so Netflix sees value because they are in the 1260 00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:55,320 business of big events, and I think there's no doubt 1261 00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:58,559 that Amanda Serrano taken on Katie Taylor for the third 1262 00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:01,199 time is a big event when you're a company like 1263 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,880 Netflix and you're looking to do those type of ten 1264 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,119 poll things, and you know, it's the middle of the 1265 00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:06,760 summer where there's not a lot of other stuff going 1266 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,760 on in the sports world, and so I think they 1267 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,920 made a really good decision to pick this up. They 1268 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,840 obviously have a business interest that they've worked with Jake 1269 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,440 Paul on and whether it's his documentary or doing the 1270 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,360 Tyson fight. So and I guarantee you not paying as much, 1271 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,519 let's say, for Taylor and Toronto three that they did 1272 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:26,119 for Jake Paul against Mike Tyson, and the Garden is 1273 00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:28,519 the perfect spot for it. They're both in that huge 1274 00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:30,440 amount of fans there. They'll sell out with no problem. 1275 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,880 They sold out the first one over nineteen thousand. This 1276 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,119 one will be sold out. I guarantee it'll have a 1277 00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:37,960 bigger gate because there'll be more expensive tickets, and they'll 1278 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,119 both have great fan bases. Obviously, Katie will draw from 1279 00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:45,000 the very big and boisterous and loyal Irish fan base, 1280 00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:47,639 and Amanda's from Brooklyn and Puerto Rican, so she'll have 1281 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,239 her team there and it's going to be the third 1282 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,480 fight of Look, we talk about trilogies a lot on 1283 00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:56,840 this show, and we always talk about like, we don't 1284 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,119 know what's going to happen in this third fight, but 1285 00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:01,320 I suspect unmitigated violence once again. The first two fights 1286 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,920 are both sensational battles. Now, what's interesting about this trilogy 1287 00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:07,000 is that they go into the third fight where it's 1288 00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:08,679 not one and one. That's usually the way it works 1289 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,800 in a trilogy fight. It's Amanda has lost the first 1290 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,320 two fights, but Katie won those fights by the slimmest. 1291 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,239 Speaker 1: Of the one we interject. Amanda goes into the fight 1292 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,440 having been robbed of the second fight, and a lot 1293 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,719 of people believe she won both fights, and she doesn't 1294 00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:23,719 have either one right now, So there's high, high motivation 1295 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:24,280 for her. 1296 00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:26,800 Speaker 2: No doubt about it. But she didn't win either fight. 1297 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,239 And I mean, I thought the first fight result was 1298 00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:32,119 fine in terms of I mean, I actually thought that 1299 00:57:32,199 --> 00:57:34,159 Katie eked out both fights. But I totally get the 1300 00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:36,119 fact that it was close enough. But they were really 1301 00:57:36,159 --> 00:57:40,480 great fights, hugely popular in terms of just the excitement 1302 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:43,599 and how good they were. And certainly, even though Amanda 1303 00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:45,599 technically is zero to two, you can't tell me she 1304 00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:47,360 doesn't deserve a third fight. And so they're gonna do 1305 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,119 the third fight. And you know, Taylor's victories in their 1306 00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:53,719 first fights are super super close. She won a split 1307 00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,440 decision in the first fight that was could have easily 1308 00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,079 gone either way. 1309 00:57:58,159 --> 00:57:59,880 Speaker 1: But we've had it's six or four for Taylor to 1310 00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:01,840 first time. And what was that May of twenty two 1311 00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:04,239 at Madison Square Garden? Correct? I believe that was the 1312 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:04,679 time frame. 1313 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 2: April? 1314 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,559 Speaker 1: When was it? I had that six four? I had 1315 00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:09,719 that sixty four for Amanda at Madison Square Garden. 1316 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,400 Speaker 2: Go on, No, the first fight took place on April thirty, 1317 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,480 twenty twenty two. 1318 00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:14,159 Speaker 1: I was clused. 1319 00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:16,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, the second fight took place in November on the 1320 00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:19,159 on the on the j. Paul Tyson card and they 1321 00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:22,119 had like seventy two thousand plus in the standup Arlington 1322 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,760 at the AT and T Stadium. Anyway, in that third fight, 1323 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,360 which was second fight, probably I mean, I'm sorry, in 1324 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,599 the second fight, probably just punched for punch, even a 1325 00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:33,480 more hard hitting, brutal, hard action pack fight in the 1326 00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:36,559 first fight. In that fight, it was it was a 1327 00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:38,480 lot of a lot of stuff going on that fight, 1328 00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:40,159 but in the end it was Katie Taylor winning the 1329 00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:43,119 fight ninety five to ninety four on all three scorecards. 1330 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,679 And then of course Amanda had that horrendous cut that 1331 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,239 she suffered from a head butt over her right eye, 1332 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,280 and she accused Katie Taylor of repeated purposeful head butts. 1333 00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:54,480 They'll go into this fight, I don't They're not going 1334 00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:56,360 to be They're gonna be respectful, I think, but they 1335 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,480 they they know each other well at this point and 1336 00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:00,679 they're going to kick some ass. So I think another 1337 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,119 fantastic the. 1338 00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:04,079 Speaker 1: Other and the other concern And you brought this up 1339 00:59:04,199 --> 00:59:06,239 kind of half jokingly half serious too. There have been 1340 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,920 a lot of bomb punches landed by both of them 1341 00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:11,000 in these two fights, and especially one that just happened 1342 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,320 in November, So we do we do for their health? 1343 00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,960 To be honest, yes, and I acknowledge too that this 1344 00:59:18,199 --> 00:59:23,039 was the you know, this was a wild, brutal second fight. Listen, 1345 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,679 here's the thing but over Serrano's eye gnarly. But yeah, Amie, 1346 00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:30,760 this is a payday. They're both cashing in big time here. 1347 00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:32,880 Speaker 2: Aatie Keller is thirty years old. I think this might 1348 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,440 be her last fight, win or lose. She's going to 1349 00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:37,280 have made a lot of money for a recent fights. 1350 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,679 Her first fight with Serrano was a ridiculously violent in 1351 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,639 action fight. She came back and she had somewhat of 1352 00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:46,599 an easier night in the fight after that, and that 1353 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,599 was at Wembley Stadium. But after that she's had three fights, 1354 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,559 the two fights in twenty twenty three against Chantel Cameron 1355 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:55,159 which she split lost a majority in the first fight, 1356 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,719 one a majority in the second fight where she captured 1357 00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,719 the undisprited junior welterweight title. But those were the two 1358 01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,280 fights of the year candidates, but they were in the 1359 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,360 same year, so you can only pick one. But those 1360 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,320 were absolutely brutal, and then they had that. Then she 1361 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,920 had the second fight with Serrano in November. She took 1362 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,119 a year off in between fights and that was another 1363 01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:17,079 brutal fight. So in her last five fights, Katie Taylor 1364 01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:20,280 has been in like World War three in four of them. Yep, 1365 01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:22,199 there's only so much the body can take. 1366 01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:24,480 Speaker 1: And by the way, and the brain, by the way, 1367 01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:25,599 the Braindy. 1368 01:00:25,239 --> 01:00:30,039 Speaker 2: Taylor is one of the nicest, sweetest, most humble people 1369 01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:33,480 you could ever possibly meet outside during Nobody wants to 1370 01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:35,480 see this woman walking on her hills a few years 1371 01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:37,039 from now, so you know. 1372 01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,000 Speaker 1: She's tremendous to deal with and work the hard way 1373 01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:44,679 up the same way. So I'm with you. But hey, 1374 01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:45,400 they're gonna do this. 1375 01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:46,039 Speaker 2: We're gonna do it. 1376 01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:48,239 Speaker 1: We got plenty of time to get between now in 1377 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,000 July to get it ramped up. But back at the 1378 01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:52,639 Garden and back on Netflix stand by for that. All right, 1379 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,480 Let's follow up on something we did mention on the 1380 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,920 recap pod. It is now official. Jim Lampley put a 1381 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,119 social media of it out as well that he is 1382 01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:02,760 going to be back in the fold for this May 1383 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:07,360 second card, the uh what is it? Fatal Fury card 1384 01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:11,159 that they have coming at Times Square that has Ryan Garcia, 1385 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,039 Devin Haney and separate fights and Tea Fimo Lopez in 1386 01:01:14,119 --> 01:01:16,639 action as well, So follow up on that being made 1387 01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:18,800 official as they had the press announcements and stuff earlier 1388 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:19,119 this week. 1389 01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, So when he was when Jim Lampley had been 1390 01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,000 in New York at the Tank Davis and Lemon Roach 1391 01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:26,880 Fight doing what he does in terms of the ringside 1392 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,400 chats with our buddy Lance Pugmyer for our friends at 1393 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,199 PPV dot Com, which are the folks that actually brought 1394 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,760 Jim back into boxing, you know, for the first time 1395 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,119 in his post HBO life, and they've you know, brought 1396 01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:41,480 him in to help promote their product and do their 1397 01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:43,880 chats and make videos and work with Lance on the 1398 01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:47,159 fight nights, which has been fantastic and I'm glad that 1399 01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:49,440 PPV dot Com did that. But where Jim's heart has 1400 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,440 always been and I know that because Jim has been 1401 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,440 a friend of mine for a very long time, He's 1402 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,880 wanted the call fights again. For whatever reason, it didn't 1403 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,000 happen after HBO went off the air, and so he 1404 01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:00,840 has not actually called a boxing match since December of 1405 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,760 twenty eighteen, when he was on the call of the 1406 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,960 final HBO event. He'd met with Turkey who was in 1407 01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:10,960 New York for the press conference for the card you 1408 01:02:11,039 --> 01:02:14,000 mentioned about Times Square, which is Ryan Garcia, Rolli Romero, 1409 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:18,159 Devin Hainey against Jose Ramirez and then tia Fimo defending 1410 01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:21,840 his junior welterweight title against Armor of Barbosa. So Turkey 1411 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,599 came to town for a bunch of stuff this week. 1412 01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:26,039 One was the press conference and to meet with Lampley. 1413 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,559 Two was to do the press conference for that event 1414 01:02:29,639 --> 01:02:31,760 that they did earlier in the week. Three was the 1415 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,719 rollout of the suff we were just talking about with 1416 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,800 Dana White announcing their partnership on this new TKO boxing 1417 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,480 promotion that the Saudis are backing. And then three Thursday 1418 01:02:40,519 --> 01:02:43,639 night at Radio City Music Hall is the press conference 1419 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,880 for the Canelo Alvarez Williams skullfight that they're promoting that 1420 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,400 will take place in May in Saudi Arabia. So to me, 1421 01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:52,239 the biggest news of all of that, because the press 1422 01:02:52,239 --> 01:02:55,840 conferences are just press conferences. The TKO thing they made official, 1423 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,760 but it not wasn't a shocked anybody. We've all kind 1424 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,440 of expected that was they brought Lampley back to side. 1425 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,440 So he's gonna call these fights. I know, he's very 1426 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,039 excited about it, and I hope he's got his voice 1427 01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,119 in good form, and he he gets into training like 1428 01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:11,119 the fighter fighters, and maybe does a little practice work 1429 01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:12,960 on the mic, you know, when he's in the shower 1430 01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:15,039 looking in the mirror, whatever. But it'll be wonderful to 1431 01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:15,320 hear it. 1432 01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:17,480 Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm the broadcaster of the two 1433 01:03:17,519 --> 01:03:19,079 of us, and I never practice in the mirror in 1434 01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:22,119 the shower anymore. I will say this, though you call 1435 01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:24,840 the game for I understand. I will say this, and 1436 01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:26,639 she I don't think they're going to hear this or 1437 01:03:26,679 --> 01:03:29,599 find this out. The twins have a couple of presentations 1438 01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:32,639 coming up, and one of them is continuing to practice 1439 01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:34,920 in front of the mirror. And it's sweet and it's cute. 1440 01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:37,840 It's not something that their dad does anymore. But she 1441 01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,800 gets mad at herself and I'm in the other room 1442 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,960 and she's practicing in front of the mirror doing the presentation. 1443 01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:43,840 I don't My point is, I don't think Lampley's gonna 1444 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:44,199 be doing that. 1445 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:44,880 Speaker 4: Uh. 1446 01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:48,000 Speaker 2: Here, you didn't call a football game or a basketball game, 1447 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,559 I understand for five years, and now you're being put 1448 01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:50,840 back in. 1449 01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:53,599 Speaker 1: And let me tell you what's more realistic. What will 1450 01:03:53,679 --> 01:03:56,920 probably happen is he might go into a studio coming 1451 01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,440 up or something and do and do a mock like 1452 01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:02,039 that where calling it off TV. That might even go 1453 01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:05,039 to a local show and do something like that. And again, 1454 01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:08,440 this man was the soundtrack of HBO's World Championship Boxing 1455 01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:12,519 for so long. Incredible, so good to have him back. 1456 01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:15,079 Good on him. Whenever the broadcasters can get back in 1457 01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:17,599 here for Jim lamp Plain, We've got plenty of time. 1458 01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:19,159 And by the way, they can hear from him. Search 1459 01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:22,199 on this podcast feed. You had a phenomenal I gotta 1460 01:04:22,239 --> 01:04:25,119 stop kissing up to you on this podcast. You had 1461 01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:30,000 a phenomenal interview with Jim Lampley last year I believe 1462 01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:32,920 it was last year. Search his name on this feed 1463 01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:35,679 Jim Lampley, l A M P l E Y and 1464 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,000 go back and listen to Dan and Jim Lampley telling 1465 01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:40,760 stories at his career and being brought back in the 1466 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,719 fold with PPV dot com. It is tremendous stuff, including 1467 01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,159 the Tyson Douglas call and the upset that night. That 1468 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:51,280 kind of stuff. It's gold gold, go back. There is 1469 01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,880 a plug for that, all right. Continuing with the news, 1470 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,840 all right, so as much as we're like keeping it 1471 01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,840 positive with these last couple of announcements, I have a 1472 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,039 the action for you on your next news item about 1473 01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:04,679 Dillion White being injured and so he can't fight Joe Joyce, 1474 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,840 I really don't care, but apparently you care, so give 1475 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,559 the give me the news real quick at we'll move on. 1476 01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:14,559 Speaker 2: It's not that I care or don't care. It's what 1477 01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:16,960 happened this week, sour thing. 1478 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,480 Speaker 1: I don't care that this fight was ever being made, 1479 01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:21,199 so I definitely don't care. The reason why it is 1480 01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:22,519 that's my opinion, go ahead. 1481 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,800 Speaker 2: The reason why it's more important than that is because, 1482 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,079 for better or for worse, on April fifth, this was 1483 01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:30,719 the main event on the Zone, of the first event 1484 01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:34,119 that Queensberry was doing under its new exclusive contract with 1485 01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:35,960 his zone, And so you always want to get off 1486 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,719 on a good foot. You always want to start off 1487 01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,840 on a positive note. So when you lose your main 1488 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,719 event because of an injury a month before the fight, 1489 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,199 that's never a good thing. And the reality is, say 1490 01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:46,800 whatever you want about done what And Joe Joyce, I 1491 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,159 have no doubt in my mind this would have been 1492 01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:49,960 a fun fight for as long as a lesson between 1493 01:05:50,039 --> 01:05:52,480 two big, lumbering heavyweights that can both crack, that both 1494 01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:55,639 are sort of desperate for a win against another notable opponent. 1495 01:05:55,679 --> 01:05:57,320 So while I'm not going to tell you I thought 1496 01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,880 it was the greatest fight in the history of heavyweight boxing, 1497 01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:02,760 I think it's a lot more significant and notable and 1498 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,679 interesting than you're making out to me. But now you 1499 01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:06,760 don't have to watch it because Dylan White suffered the 1500 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,639 hand injury and he's out of the fight now. The 1501 01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:10,360 good thing about that is that the fight card will 1502 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,320 still go on. Joe Joyce will still be in the 1503 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,159 main event. They are looking for opponent for him. I 1504 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,400 am told they have not signed yet, unless something's happened, 1505 01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,159 you know, in the last few hours that I'm unaware of. 1506 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,039 But they had at least a verbal agreement that he 1507 01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:25,079 would be replaced in the fight by Philip Hergovich, which 1508 01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:26,960 in some ways is actually a better, more interesting fight 1509 01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:29,639 Hergobac coming off of the loss that he's suffered by 1510 01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:32,360 TKO because of such severe cuts when he was boxing 1511 01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,800 against Daniel Dubois for the interim IBF heavyweight belt that 1512 01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,119 took place last fall. So if he is in fact 1513 01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:39,679 the guy that winds up in the ring across from 1514 01:06:39,719 --> 01:06:42,599 Joe Joyce. That's a much Oh, that's a little. That's 1515 01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:43,679 a hell of a save, And I think it's a 1516 01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:44,119 better fight. 1517 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:44,599 Speaker 3: It is. 1518 01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:46,559 Speaker 1: It's a much better fight. And let me spot back 1519 01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:49,719 at you. There's nothing significant or important about a Million 1520 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,960 White Joe Joyce fight in the present day. They've both 1521 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,639 been knocked out multiple times, including Joyce over the last 1522 01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:58,199 year and a half being knocked out twice by July 1523 01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:02,800 Jang brutally and being beaten beaten up by Derek Chesa. 1524 01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:05,280 So yeah, that was nothing, implayan. 1525 01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:06,920 Speaker 2: I just looked at it from the fact that it's 1526 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:07,679 two good names. 1527 01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,280 Speaker 1: The British fans would about the names. Yeah, the British 1528 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,440 fans would care about the names. 1529 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:12,880 Speaker 3: But I'm with you. 1530 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,079 Speaker 1: The Hergovic thing is much more intriguing and I would 1531 01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:18,559 favor him greatly over Joyce in that scenario. Stay tuned. 1532 01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,920 Speaker 2: But either way it's Dylan White or it's argument. You 1533 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,559 gotta figure they're going to make a fun fight for 1534 01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:25,480 the fans. That's the bottom line, all right. 1535 01:07:25,679 --> 01:07:28,079 Speaker 1: One more news item before the nostalgia, and that's Golden 1536 01:07:28,119 --> 01:07:32,320 Boy making some announcements, including Oscar Klazo will be back 1537 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,840 and what else do we have here, including does it 1538 01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,159 involve Zerdo Ramirez on a separate announcement. What else do 1539 01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:37,679 we know here? 1540 01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:40,559 Speaker 2: Well, two things on Golden Boy Front number one, they 1541 01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:45,239 did announce that the WOWBA Ring Magazine Straway Champion Oscar Colaso, 1542 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,840 who is one of the more exciting fighters in boxing currently, 1543 01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:50,480 he will be making a defense against a fighter named 1544 01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:53,079 Edwin Cano who was from Mexico, so Klasa was from 1545 01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:55,880 Puerto Rico will travel to Mexico to defend his title 1546 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,000 in Mexico. That'll be on March twenty ninth. It'll be 1547 01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:01,320 on the undercart of a a good main event, which 1548 01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,920 is the WBC's interim lightweight title holder William Zebita, one 1549 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,239 of the most exciting fighters in boxing, in a rematch 1550 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,039 against Kevin Farmer. They put on a heck of a 1551 01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:11,920 fight on the Latino Night card that took place back 1552 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,519 a couple months ago, and so they're doing a rematch, 1553 01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:17,439 you know, while Zepaida theoretically is waiting to do the 1554 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,359 mandatory against your cor Stevenson, and so that is the 1555 01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,000 main event, and he'll have Claso in the title defense 1556 01:08:23,039 --> 01:08:25,920 on the undercard. So anytime I can watch Oscra Coloso fight. 1557 01:08:26,039 --> 01:08:27,840 I could watch him fight you. I could watch him 1558 01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,960 fight Edwin Kenno. I'd be very happy to do so easily. 1559 01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:31,840 Speaker 1: Can't watch him fight me because I weigh a whole 1560 01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:32,840 lot more than Strawwaight. 1561 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,119 Speaker 2: He still kick your ass though, so. 1562 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,239 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's not the case, but I can't 1563 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:38,920 legally fight him at strawweight. I haven't been strawweight since 1564 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:40,000 I was in like middle school. 1565 01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:41,840 Speaker 2: I'm just saying I am a big fan of Ostria 1566 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,279 Colaso and the other thing. While not an announcement, they 1567 01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:48,399 are planning the next defense of Gilberto Zerdoormeriz who in 1568 01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,520 that Latino Night card defeated your boy Chris Billains meant 1569 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,800 to unify the WBA and the WBO cruiserweight title. So 1570 01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,680 he has been linked to the possibility of a fight 1571 01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:02,159 with a ji Opataia and that may happen eventually, but 1572 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,840 he did have you know, they did a step asideal 1573 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,359 with the former title holder at union Ol Dorta cost 1574 01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:09,640 to step aside. That will be He's the mandatory. That 1575 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,000 will be the next fight for Zerto. That's a very solid, 1576 01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:16,560 very intriguing fight. In my opinion. Dort Coast is older 1577 01:09:17,039 --> 01:09:19,479 and doesn't fight a whole lot, but he's a tremendous puncher. 1578 01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,079 He's twenty seven to two with twenty five knockouts, has 1579 01:09:22,119 --> 01:09:24,720 frankly one of the greatest nicknames in the history of Boxton. 1580 01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,000 They call him the ko Doctor. I mean, just a 1581 01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:29,840 massive puncher when he lands the right way anyway. So 1582 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,840 that is a very good fight, and they're trying to 1583 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,720 get that done, and it's not done yet, but it's 1584 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,600 ear marked. Let's say for June twenty eighth, we headline 1585 01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,439 one of the Golden Boys shows on his own. So 1586 01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,000 they're putting together what feels like a nice spring and 1587 01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:42,159 summer schedule. 1588 01:09:43,239 --> 01:09:43,720 Speaker 3: Like all of that. 1589 01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,039 Speaker 1: One final thing to do, and that is talk nostalgia. 1590 01:09:47,399 --> 01:09:51,119 And on March the seventh, which as we release this 1591 01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:56,279 is Friday. It is my goodness, now the tenth anniversary. 1592 01:09:56,319 --> 01:09:59,800 I remember this fight of Keith Thurman March seven, twenty fifteen, 1593 01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:05,960 decisioning Robert Guerrero and retaining the WBC welterweight title. HEBBA 1594 01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:09,760 do it, says WBC on your rundown, So I'll swatch you. 1595 01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:13,039 You got your rundown wrong. WBA welterweight title. It's the 1596 01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:16,199 first ever PBC event. I remember watching this, you were 1597 01:10:16,319 --> 01:10:20,479 ringside for this, and that's Clearwater, Florida's Keith one time Thurman. 1598 01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,119 And there's even a tie in to an upcoming Keith 1599 01:10:23,119 --> 01:10:25,560 Thurmon fight. But let's go back in the nostalgia way back. 1600 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:26,880 That's been a decade ago. 1601 01:10:27,319 --> 01:10:30,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not so much about the fight itself, but 1602 01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:32,840 it's because it's now the tenth anniversary of PBC and 1603 01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:37,640 we look back at the ten years of the trajectory, 1604 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,000 the ups and downs of PBC, what it started at, 1605 01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:42,439 what it went on to be, what it became, what 1606 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,079 it is currently. A lot of stuff's happened in ten years. 1607 01:10:45,399 --> 01:10:47,640 But there was a lot of anticipation for this fight. 1608 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,039 From the standpoint, not so much again, the matchup was fine. 1609 01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:52,399 Keith was defending his WBA bill for the first time. 1610 01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,520 Guerrera was a good contender at that time still, and 1611 01:10:56,319 --> 01:10:57,760 they did put on a hell of a fight, by 1612 01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,159 the way, a very underrated fight, really exciting. Garral got 1613 01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:03,079 dropped in the ninth round. He did end up winning 1614 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,720 a very one sided fight, but it was not it 1615 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,479 was a good fight to watch. In other words, like 1616 01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,039 just because it was one sided on the squorecards, you know, 1617 01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:15,199 virtually a shutout. But it was a really good pitch 1618 01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:17,800 battle and you know, fun to watch, and they had 1619 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:19,439 a good crowd there and the thing did very good 1620 01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,960 numbers on NBC. That was at a time when PBC 1621 01:11:22,199 --> 01:11:25,680 first started where they were buying time on the networks 1622 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,319 trying to induce one of their various networks that they 1623 01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:31,479 were putting fights on to turn around and give them 1624 01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,079 a right steal. They ultimately got one. I mean, they 1625 01:11:34,119 --> 01:11:36,359 were still on showtime getting right steals. They ultimately got 1626 01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:38,760 a right stale from Fox. It obviously didn't last very long, 1627 01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:42,880 but they were buying time on a lot of networks CBS, NBC, Spike, 1628 01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:46,680 ESPN and others. But this was the first one of 1629 01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,880 that whole group, and NBC blew it out. They had 1630 01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,840 like Marv Albert calling fights. They had like I felt like, 1631 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:54,159 about twelve different commentators doing stuff that was kind of 1632 01:11:54,199 --> 01:11:56,359 a mess, to be honest, but they were starting off 1633 01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,239 doing their thing. The MGM had a big crowd, they're 1634 01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:02,079 over ten thousand, and that was the beginning of PBC, 1635 01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:06,039 which went on to put on some tremendous fights others 1636 01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:09,119 that were not so great, but this was it. They 1637 01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:11,920 spent crazy amounts of money when they were buying the 1638 01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,800 time and on this event alone, based on the purses 1639 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,640 and the production that they did and the way that 1640 01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,880 they set up all the stuff with the rams they 1641 01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:24,199 were trying to sort of emulate the WWE introductions and walkouts. 1642 01:12:25,039 --> 01:12:27,079 It was probably over a ten million dollar a night 1643 01:12:27,159 --> 01:12:31,079 for PBC, where Al Hayman was using money that they 1644 01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:34,079 had raised from you know, hedge fund money to do 1645 01:12:34,199 --> 01:12:37,960 this investment. You know, I don't Ultimately it probably didn't 1646 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,680 work out because they did all these deals and they 1647 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,880 got a smallest right sale from Fox. It didn't last 1648 01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:47,279 very long. So that was the rage back then. You know, 1649 01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:49,600 we talked so much today over the last year and 1650 01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,119 a half about all the money and all the things 1651 01:12:51,159 --> 01:12:53,720 that are going on with the Saudi's and with Turkey 1652 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,920 and doing this deal and doing that deal. But ten 1653 01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:59,640 years ago, that exact conversation was happening, but it was 1654 01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,239 all about Aiman in PBC. Now, who knows what the 1655 01:13:02,359 --> 01:13:04,760 end result will be with the Saudia's, but the end 1656 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,399 result for PBC has been lots of great fighters and 1657 01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,960 tremendous fights and lots of good events. But in the 1658 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,000 long run, you know, they're in a problem right now 1659 01:13:13,039 --> 01:13:16,000 because they have a very like not a great rights 1660 01:13:16,039 --> 01:13:18,000 deal or whatever you want to call it with prime video, 1661 01:13:18,039 --> 01:13:20,720 which is very sporadic with the non paper used. They've 1662 01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:22,960 done one, they've got one more coming up than I 1663 01:13:23,039 --> 01:13:24,920 know of, and all the rest has been paper used 1664 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,399 every couple of months. So you know, it's it's been 1665 01:13:29,119 --> 01:13:30,960 an interesting ride, let's say, with PBC. 1666 01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:34,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's an argument you couched it and said 1667 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,960 it gently. I mean, there's a lot of argument. They've 1668 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,039 petered out completely except for the pay per views as 1669 01:13:40,079 --> 01:13:42,159 an entity. But the interesting thing in that time period 1670 01:13:42,319 --> 01:13:45,640 is the fights were being put back on air quotes 1671 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,600 network TV, that NBC even had a Deontay Wilder fight 1672 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:53,039 in prime time on the NBC television network. The CBS 1673 01:13:53,159 --> 01:13:56,720 television network was showing primetime boxing. This was the eighties 1674 01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,119 and the nineties that you used to always have fights 1675 01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:01,159 on network tea on pay per view. 1676 01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:03,399 Speaker 2: But when they did try yeah, when they did this 1677 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,800 fight with Keith Thurman and Robert Guerrero, they also had 1678 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,000 Adrian Broner, who was red hot at the time, against 1679 01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:11,319 John Molina, on the undercard, So that was like a 1680 01:14:11,359 --> 01:14:14,079 big deal to have those caliber names on the same show. 1681 01:14:14,359 --> 01:14:17,920 And by the way, it was the first primetime boxing 1682 01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,920 event on NBC in thirty years when they did this 1683 01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:24,239 fight and they drew an audience, it started off like 1684 01:14:24,399 --> 01:14:27,199 tremendously well the audience on that I actually went back 1685 01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,399 and I looked up because I was keeping track back 1686 01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,439 in the time of all the ratings, because it was 1687 01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:33,319 a very big deal about how they were doing with 1688 01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,479 these network fights. They never reached that level again with 1689 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,520 a primetime fight what they did with Thurman against Guerro. 1690 01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,399 That fight did nearly three and a half million viewers 1691 01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,119 on primetime NBC. Now, the one caveat to that was 1692 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:50,279 after the Olympic Games, they had the American basketball team 1693 01:14:50,279 --> 01:14:52,239 had won the gold medal, and I guess it would 1694 01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:55,279 have been what the twenty sixteen Olympics right that right 1695 01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,680 after that game went off the air that the program 1696 01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,000 that followed that was an Ryl Spence fight against Leonard 1697 01:15:02,039 --> 01:15:04,800 Bundu and a title eliminator that took place. It was 1698 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,039 like a special one fight or I forget, it's maybe 1699 01:15:07,039 --> 01:15:09,600 be a one fight deal, one fight broadcast or whatever. 1700 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:09,800 Speaker 3: It was. 1701 01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,279 Speaker 2: But that point is that boxing match, because it came 1702 01:15:12,359 --> 01:15:16,199 after such a massively viewed Olympic gold medal match on NBC, 1703 01:15:16,399 --> 01:15:19,600 even not in prime time. That fight did like over 1704 01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,680 four million viewers, but the prime time kickoff over three million. 1705 01:15:24,119 --> 01:15:26,680 Everybody was thrilled, thought we might have something here. And 1706 01:15:27,039 --> 01:15:28,680 you know, while they did, you know many many of 1707 01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,239 their shows, through their time buys on the various networks, 1708 01:15:31,239 --> 01:15:33,359 were doing an excess of a million viewers. They never 1709 01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:34,880 reached that three million plus ever. 1710 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,319 Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, and TV, and we don't have to go 1711 01:15:37,359 --> 01:15:40,039 down this road. TV's gotten so flat, fractured to the 1712 01:15:40,079 --> 01:15:42,920 point where most people don't have TV anymore. They have 1713 01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,640 streaming outlets. So this is what's evolved into over the 1714 01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:48,199 last few years. So you struggle to get some audience 1715 01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:50,520 and just one more tie in. Keith Thurman had a 1716 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,840 long run as a welterweight champion there for two or 1717 01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:56,760 three years. He's then had injuries, et cetera. He's still around, 1718 01:15:57,079 --> 01:15:59,520 by the way. Nostalgia on top of the nostalgia, And 1719 01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,920 here's a tease on the recap pod, which will be 1720 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,520 recapping a little bit. We're going to talk about his 1721 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,760 fight with Australia's Brock Jarvis. That could set into motion 1722 01:16:09,319 --> 01:16:12,239 the proposed fight from a year ago with Tim Zoo 1723 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,279 Zoo fighting here in the same time frame that Thurman 1724 01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:16,920 is the fighter injury that. 1725 01:16:17,119 --> 01:16:19,239 Speaker 2: Rock servis fight those not to what Wednesday morning. 1726 01:16:19,159 --> 01:16:21,159 Speaker 1: Correct Wednesday morning. But we'll talk a little bit more 1727 01:16:21,159 --> 01:16:24,279 about it on Sunday night into Monday about that fight. 1728 01:16:24,399 --> 01:16:26,560 But my point is Keith Thurman still fighting ten years 1729 01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,239 later and uh still trying to make a go of it. 1730 01:16:29,319 --> 01:16:31,079 I think he's at the very end. I think he's 1731 01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:33,640 good on the commentary, but he's going to get back 1732 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:34,199 there in the ring. 1733 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,399 Speaker 2: Big problem he's had the injuries, you know, that's that's 1734 01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:38,399 really assortment of them. 1735 01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,359 Speaker 1: But that night against Guerrero, he was brilliant that night 1736 01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,520 and for he and shout out to our guy, Dan Birmingham. 1737 01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,319 I have known Dan Birmingham for thirty years from his 1738 01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,479 days with Winky Wright and Jeff Lacy, et cetera. And 1739 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,720 he had another great world champion with Keith Thurman, who 1740 01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,439 was he was on a run in the mid twenty 1741 01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,840 tens and in the late twenty tens. He was on 1742 01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,760 a run at that time period in Dan and Keith 1743 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,239 are back in the gym and then headed to Astro. 1744 01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:02,239 I would assume they're already in Australia right the way. 1745 01:17:02,399 --> 01:17:04,640 Speaker 2: One thing about that show that I was thinking about 1746 01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,039 when they did these NBC shows early on now right now, 1747 01:17:07,319 --> 01:17:09,279 if you look at PBC, they are all in dead 1748 01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:11,359 with the sanctioning bodies. I mean, they've got all kinds 1749 01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:14,399 of WBC champions and interim champions and they do business 1750 01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:16,720 with those guys, you know, like there's no tomorrow. But 1751 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,119 when it started, Hayman purposely was trying to diminish the titles. 1752 01:17:20,399 --> 01:17:22,199 Keith Thurman was, as you mentioned, he was defending the 1753 01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:24,640 title that night. They didn't allow the title to be 1754 01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,359 in the ring when they were introducing the fight. They 1755 01:17:27,399 --> 01:17:30,000 were purposely trying to do that. I remember one PBC fight, 1756 01:17:30,079 --> 01:17:32,840 not this fight, but another one where the supervisor at 1757 01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,039 ringside had the WBC belt propped up and they ended 1758 01:17:36,119 --> 01:17:38,600 up tearing it away and so it wouldn't be showing 1759 01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,560 on the broadcast. I mean, that was the type of 1760 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,399 control that that Hayman had exerted over those in ring 1761 01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,479 and on the broadcast the time and a show, so 1762 01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,920 they wouldn't they wouldn't let the officials in. In terms 1763 01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,960 of the sanctioning bodies. Theydn't even mentioned the belts on 1764 01:17:53,039 --> 01:17:56,560 the broadcast. They didn't allow the entourages to walk with 1765 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,199 them to the ring, not even the trainer. It was 1766 01:17:58,279 --> 01:17:59,880 just the fighter comeing the ramp. I mean, I actually 1767 01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,960 did mind they're being a less crowded ring. They also 1768 01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:04,520 didn't have the ring announcer in the center of the ring. 1769 01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,079 The introductions were done off camera in a microphone like 1770 01:18:07,119 --> 01:18:10,800 the Voice of God's kind of thing. I mean, I 1771 01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,680 remember they tried to sort of reinvent the wheel. It 1772 01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:14,399 really didn't work because now they're back to doing it 1773 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,079 the way boxing's supposed to be done. 1774 01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:19,119 Speaker 1: All right, good nostalgia on top of the nostalgia and 1775 01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:22,319 great stuff with Dana White, score yourself ten more bonus points. 1776 01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,279 By the way, Rayfield would like to say in the 1777 01:18:25,319 --> 01:18:28,439 preview mode, let's go Duke because they're going to look 1778 01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:31,479 to kick the crap out of North Carolina again on Saturday. 1779 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:35,960 While we go a preview, you do realize, for all 1780 01:18:36,279 --> 01:18:40,279 of the historical massive success that Duke has had, they 1781 01:18:40,359 --> 01:18:44,560 are on the most epic run this season of destroying 1782 01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,640 the rest of the ACC and that includes college basketball, 1783 01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,199 that includes killing North Carolina the first time by thirty points. 1784 01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:55,439 At Cameron Rayfield, you're going to be in a really 1785 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,960 good mood if they clabber North Carolina again on Saturday. 1786 01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,840 I know you'll take the one point when if it's 1787 01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:01,720 a point win. But right now they've been rolling. Let's 1788 01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,439 see if it continues for Cooper Flag and Duke and basketball. 1789 01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:07,359 So there's something else in the preview mo. But excellent 1790 01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:11,039 job with Dana White on this edition as well. Why 1791 01:19:11,079 --> 01:19:13,520 don't you and I reconvene on the bet US Boxing 1792 01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,800 Show one Eastern Time Friday afternoon on the bet US platforms, 1793 01:19:18,359 --> 01:19:20,840 and then off of this weekend we'll do a recap 1794 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,439 podcast of the British fights on Friday night and all 1795 01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,439 the other action, and then look ahead to a couple 1796 01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,079 of other interesting fights midweek. Why don't we do that? 1797 01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:31,640 Dan Rayphiel, all else is good? 1798 01:19:32,119 --> 01:19:33,359 Speaker 2: That sounds good? There he is. 1799 01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,119 Speaker 1: There's our Insider Fight Freach unit is a substack. Subscribe 1800 01:19:36,119 --> 01:19:38,399 there as well to find Dan Rayfield. I'm merely TJ 1801 01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,119 Reeves follower. Subscribe on this podcast feed. You've been listening 1802 01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:44,439 here to us on the Big Fight weekend preview pod