1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,239 your support. So there is a press conference occurring right 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,159 now up in New York City. The Homeland Security Secretary 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,960 Christy Nome is holding it. It's been going on for 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,560 probably ten or fifteen minutes so far, but let me 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,119 pick it up here and see what she's talking about 14 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:48,560 in light of yesterday's shooting up in Minneapolis. So Director 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,039 Russo spoke about how this operation happened discreetly, under the 16 00:00:52,039 --> 00:00:54,840 cover of darkness, and that's how it should be, which 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,320 is in contrast to what happened in Minneapolis yesterday. 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,359 Speaker 2: You said, what do you mean in contrast. 19 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: That was very much not because. 20 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: Of the protesters and the violent criminals that were attacking 21 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:08,599 our law enforcement. If you remember in that operation, what 22 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:11,120 happened was our officers were out trying to get a 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,000 car stuck out of the snow when they were surrounded 24 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:18,680 and assaulted and blocked in by protesters that were inciting. 25 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 3: The officer was following his training. 26 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,239 Speaker 2: He did follow his training because of an individual that was. 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 3: Point blank into a driver's window. Is that part of 28 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:26,680 the training? 29 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:26,879 Speaker 2: Is that? 30 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,239 Speaker 3: How is that self defense? 31 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: This is an experienced officer who followed his training, and 32 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,959 we will continue to let the investigation unfold into the 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,079 individual and continue to follow the procedures and policies that 34 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:41,000 happened in these use of force cases. But let's remember 35 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,159 the events that surrounded what happened yesterday on that tragic situation, 36 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,680 was that these individuals had followed our officers all day, 37 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,200 had harassed them, had blocked them in, They were impeding 38 00:01:52,239 --> 00:01:55,640 our law enforcement operations, which is against the law. And 39 00:01:55,879 --> 00:01:57,959 when they demanded and commanded her to get out of 40 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,239 her vehicle several times, she did not. So we'll continue 41 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:05,480 to allow this process to unfold and recognize that these 42 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,199 law enforcement officers, every single day put their lives on 43 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:08,560 the line. 44 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 3: They go out and do their jobs. They got in 45 00:02:11,439 --> 00:02:13,439 domestic terrorists, though without this was. 46 00:02:13,439 --> 00:02:17,159 Speaker 2: An act of domestic terrorism, which is perpetuating who. 47 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,479 Speaker 3: She was or what she was about. 48 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: And yet now you're saying, these policies and procedures that 49 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,680 follow a use of force situation like this are continuing 50 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,400 to be put in place. So this is standard operating 51 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:30,360 procedure after every use of force situation, is that we 52 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:36,520 followed these procedures and protocols. This situation is no different. Now, 53 00:02:36,719 --> 00:02:39,159 this young lady right beside you, I'll come to you next. 54 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 4: Should we expect a surge of agents. 55 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: In New York City? 56 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 3: Should we expect a surge of. 57 00:02:44,719 --> 00:02:47,439 Speaker 2: Agents in the New York SITIS administration are focused on 58 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,639 protecting people, so we will never telegraph exactly the numbers 59 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,680 and operations that we have and where we will be 60 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:57,919 focused on. But I think that when you see violent 61 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,599 criminals that are taking advantage of Americans since of putting 62 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:03,599 their lives in jeopardy, our law enforcement officers at DHS 63 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:04,479 will always show up. 64 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,759 Speaker 3: Yes, I'll come back, I'll come back. Go ahead. The 65 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,919 officer involved in the shooting yesterday, has he been suspended 66 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,159 or season in the field. 67 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:16,159 Speaker 2: The officer went to the hospital he was hit by 68 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:19,280 the vehicle and went to hospital and received treatment was 69 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,960 released in a spending time with his family. 70 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,879 Speaker 5: Now, yes, Sir, in Minneapolis, yesterday you said the surge 71 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:28,319 there would continue, while you didn't directly say whether we 72 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,960 can expect an ice surge for civil importation enforcement, can 73 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,719 you explain what a surge is? 74 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: And I won't describe in detail our law enforcement operations 75 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,479 that we have. It's just it puts our officers' lives 76 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,240 in jeopardy. But they will be there enforcing the laws 77 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,240 of this country and upholding the public safety needs that 78 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:48,759 have to happen when it comes to enforcing federal law. 79 00:03:50,159 --> 00:03:51,719 Speaker 3: Just you know, only security investigations. 80 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,039 Speaker 2: You know, We've got thousands of officers there and I'm 81 00:03:54,039 --> 00:03:57,560 not opposed to sending more if necessary to keep people safe. 82 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 4: Compare Secretary, can you talk a little bit of about 83 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:02,919 the experience of the officer in some of his background. 84 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:05,599 How much training did he have, How much training in 85 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:07,599 these types of situations did you have, even if it's 86 00:04:07,639 --> 00:04:08,199 from the region. 87 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to get specific to this officer, 88 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,840 but he's an experienced officer that has served a number 89 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:17,759 of years and we recognize that he acted according to 90 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,279 his training and we have expected all the policies and 91 00:04:21,319 --> 00:04:25,399 procedures of review will be exactly that he acted appropriately 92 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:28,480 to preaffect his life and the life of his colleagues 93 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,879 and fellow law enforcement officers that were there in people 94 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:31,639 that were surrounding. 95 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:34,879 Speaker 6: ID like to get your reaction on some of the 96 00:04:34,959 --> 00:04:37,879 rhetoric here in New York City. Mayor Zora Mangani responded 97 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,360 to the shooting yesterday, saying that this is only the 98 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:43,120 latest horror in a year full of cruelty. He called 99 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,079 it an attack on us all and the New York 100 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,120 stands with immigrants today and every day. Also, council members 101 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,319 last night at the protest called this fascism. The New 102 00:04:52,399 --> 00:04:56,120 York City's Public Advocate, Jimani Williams, said that your administration 103 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,079 is quote doing the devil's work, and he asked New 104 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,519 York City to stand up and show up. Quote. It's 105 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,879 going to be difficult and there are going to be casualties. 106 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,040 And the last comment that was made last night at 107 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,319 the protest was from New York State Representative Alex Borros, 108 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:13,480 also a Democrat. Quote, not only was the Ice agent's 109 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,240 hand on the gun, but Secretary knows hand was on 110 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,120 the gun. President Trump's hand was on the gun. What 111 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,920 is your response to you or Democratic leaders those particular 112 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,399 comments and the protesters that are outside. 113 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,759 Speaker 2: We say those comments are why we're standing where we 114 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,839 are today. That kind of language and that kind of 115 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:35,759 provocative talk, inciting people to take action and perpetuate violence 116 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,800 in some cases is unacceptable, and especially of elected leaders. 117 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,040 We have a responsibility to state the facts, to go 118 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,839 out and enforce the law. Your mayor just said in 119 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,040 that statement that he was going to stand with illegal 120 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:50,040 people who have broken our law before he's going to 121 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,399 put New York City citizens first. His job and why 122 00:05:53,439 --> 00:05:56,040 he was elected was to protect the people who live 123 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,920 here that had the opportunity to vote for him and 124 00:05:59,079 --> 00:06:02,120 have the opportunity to live in this city. They pay 125 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,360 their taxes, they go to work every day, and instead 126 00:06:04,399 --> 00:06:07,319 the mayor in that statement chose to stand with illegals 127 00:06:07,399 --> 00:06:09,879 instead of those individuals who just want the chance to 128 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,199 raise their families in New York City and have a 129 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,240 part of the American dream. 130 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,959 Speaker 1: Yes, the head of Minnesota State Investigations Agency so that 131 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,120 they could cut out of the investigation into the fatal 132 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,079 shooting in Minneapolis, can you explain that reversal. 133 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,639 Speaker 2: I'd like to know where they've been and why they're 134 00:06:26,639 --> 00:06:28,839 not out on the streets investigating all of these people 135 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,480 that are harassing and inciting violence on law enforcement officers 136 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:36,000 right now. They're allowing the situation to be volatile. They're 137 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,920 not doing their work. They haven't for years, and maybe 138 00:06:37,959 --> 00:06:40,000 they should get to work a little bit on the 139 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,800 unprecedented fraud that we've seen in Minnesota and in Minneapolis 140 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,120 by people that stole from American citizens and diverted funds 141 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,680 away from vulnerable people and programs and services that they 142 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,240 needed and put it into their own pockets. Minnesota is 143 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,680 a train wreck. It is corrupt, and it was under 144 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,399 the leadership of Governor Walls and this mayor that they 145 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,079 allowed it to happen, and they let criminals in illegals 146 00:07:02,399 --> 00:07:05,879 and people abuse programs and steal the money, and now 147 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:08,480 they're allowing violence to go forward on the streets as well. 148 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:14,079 Speaker 1: The police department, county sheriffs, the federal party at this point, 149 00:07:14,079 --> 00:07:14,519 they don't. 150 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: Want I want to put a blanket statement out like 151 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:19,560 those other individuals will. What I would say is I 152 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:22,160 welcome them to come and help us, Come help us 153 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,560 make sure that the streets are safe, that laws are 154 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,639 in force and that we can do the right thing 155 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,639 to make sure that American citizens come first. 156 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,879 Speaker 3: Yes, sir, they have. 157 00:07:31,879 --> 00:07:34,199 Speaker 2: Not been cut out. They don't have any jurisdiction in 158 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,519 this investigation. Yes, go ahead, I'm going to speak to 159 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:40,319 this individual right here. 160 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 6: Say down from w pi X TV, how do you 161 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:45,839 respond to Americans who have been listening to your comments 162 00:07:46,079 --> 00:07:49,319 that this was an active domestic terrorism that the officer 163 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:49,600 was hit. 164 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: Anytime you take something, it. 165 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 6: Is in direct contradiction to what they are seeing and watching. 166 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,839 In the multiple angles that have been. 167 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:03,879 Speaker 2: Released, this vehicle was used to hit this officer, It 168 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,920 was used as a weapon, and the officers feels as 169 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:09,800 though his life was in jeopardy. It was used to 170 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:15,240 perpetuate a violent act. That this officer took action to 171 00:08:15,279 --> 00:08:18,920 protect himself and to protect his fellow law enforcement officers. 172 00:08:18,959 --> 00:08:22,120 So we'll let this continue to go forward and follow 173 00:08:22,199 --> 00:08:24,959 the same policies and procedures that every use of forest 174 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:29,079 situation does. But we've had almost over one hundred times 175 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:31,959 that these vehicles have been used to ram law enforcement 176 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:35,120 officers and to do damage and to harm them. When 177 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:37,600 you take an action and use a weapon to harm 178 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,799 someone into incite violence against them and try to cause 179 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,519 them injury or death. Then it needs to be labeled 180 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:45,720 exactly what it was. 181 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 3: All right. 182 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: So that's Christy Known, the Secretary of Homeland Security. She's 183 00:08:49,639 --> 00:08:55,120 up in New York City today right now, whereas yesterday 184 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,679 she was up in Minnesota, in Minneapolis for the operation 185 00:08:59,759 --> 00:09:02,519 that was up there that resulted in the shooting of 186 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:06,360 thirty seven year old Renee Nicole Good. 187 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 3: She died at the scene. We are going to get 188 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:11,240 into the details. 189 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: We're going to get into the backgrounds, We're going to 190 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,399 get into the nullification that's occurring right now. And you're 191 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,799 hearing another example of it with these reporters and the 192 00:09:21,879 --> 00:09:25,440 quotes that they're giving from Democrats. What's very clear is 193 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,039 that there is a not small contingent of Americans and 194 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,759 particularly Democrat politicians, that do not want certain federal laws enforced, 195 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,960 and they are encouraging people to sacrifice themselves in order 196 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,320 to prevent that law enforcement from occurring. It's incredibly dangerous. 197 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,360 You know, Stories are powerful. They help us make sense 198 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:49,840 of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the 199 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,960 people of our past while transcending generations. 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And it's 218 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,799 all in light of what occurred yesterday in Minneapolis, which 219 00:10:57,919 --> 00:10:59,679 I did you know when I was doing the show, 220 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,320 Yes yesterday, I did see that there were these reports 221 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,279 of an incident that occurred, but it was too early 222 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:09,720 for me to know anything that was going on, and 223 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:13,639 so I as a talk show host, I refrained from, 224 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,120 you know, jumping in and making all sorts of pronouncements 225 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,440 about what has obviously happened. 226 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 7: You know. 227 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: But after twenty four hours now we can see some 228 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:30,480 of the evidence, the video evidence that exists. 229 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: It's online. 230 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:35,879 Speaker 1: People have been sharing the videos all day yesterday into today. 231 00:11:38,039 --> 00:11:42,600 So I'm going to go through what the evidence is 232 00:11:44,279 --> 00:11:47,759 as to what occurred, what we know about it, things 233 00:11:47,759 --> 00:11:52,440 that are reported that are confirmed, and the video evidence itself. 234 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:59,399 So most people are relying on the video from the 235 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:04,879 rear of the maroon Honda pilot that was driven by 236 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:13,120 Renaane Nicole Good. And from that angle, all you're seeing 237 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:19,840 is the rear of the pilot, the driver's side, and 238 00:12:19,879 --> 00:12:24,639 you can see that her window is down and you 239 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,080 see two ICE agents approach. You cannot see that there 240 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,279 is a third ice ICE agent on the other side 241 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,639 of the Honda pilot. You don't see that agent until 242 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:39,480 the very end of the interaction. There is, however, another 243 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:44,960 video from the opposite side. Somebody was shooting video apparently 244 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,679 out of looks like a second story room out of 245 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:55,639 a window, and that video captures that third agent on 246 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:01,159 the other side of the vehicle, and it shows him 247 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:08,480 getting hit by the car. So the first thing that 248 00:13:08,519 --> 00:13:11,879 we need to all accept here is that the woman 249 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,480 drove her car forward and hit the agent. That did happen. 250 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,360 That is on video as occurring. Even in the first 251 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,960 video where you can't see him until the very end, 252 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,559 you can see that he is. 253 00:13:25,759 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 3: He's kind of swinging around. 254 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: And initially people said that that she was trying to escape. 255 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,039 He was standing right in front of her car. He 256 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,440 was in front of her, right in front of the 257 00:13:40,519 --> 00:13:47,759 driver's side windshield. That is obvious now. So these two 258 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,720 pieces of video, and I've watched them repeatedly with the 259 00:13:51,759 --> 00:13:54,360 benefit of being able to slow everything down and look 260 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,879 at all of the you know, millisecond by millisecond progress 261 00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:03,600 of everything, which of the law enforcement officer, the ice agent, 262 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,399 and the driver of the car. Neither of them have 263 00:14:06,519 --> 00:14:10,440 that luxury. They don't get to slow down time in 264 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,320 order to see precisely what is occurring within two seconds. 265 00:14:14,759 --> 00:14:17,200 We all get to do that now the day after, right, 266 00:14:19,399 --> 00:14:23,480 But these videos, some witness statements that. 267 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:24,039 Speaker 3: I have seen. 268 00:14:25,559 --> 00:14:27,679 Speaker 1: This is what I have used to come to a 269 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:36,399 theory or a working belief about what occurred. Here's what 270 00:14:36,559 --> 00:14:42,159 I saw. She has parked perpendicular to the ice vehicles, 271 00:14:42,919 --> 00:14:47,480 blocking their path on the road. Her window is down. 272 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:51,679 She waves her hand like in a motion to like 273 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,919 wave somebody through, not like wave hello, but wave like 274 00:14:55,399 --> 00:14:58,679 go on through, come by, or go around, and an 275 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:04,440 ice vehicle does in fact go around her and stops 276 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,600 in front of her to now box her in because 277 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:12,360 now they're going to approach the vehicle, and that's when 278 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,799 they come out and start approaching. So this is why 279 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,480 you hear people say, oh, she was waving them to 280 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:21,000 go around in that moment. She may have been. She 281 00:15:21,159 --> 00:15:24,480 also may have been trying to wave around the caravan 282 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:30,320 of vehicles that apparently reportedly she had been leading. She 283 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:35,480 had been leading these cars around to form roadblocks around 284 00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:41,480 the ice vehicles. Now you just heard Christinome say that 285 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,679 the operation that the ice agents were there for was over, 286 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:49,200 and they say their vehicle got stuck in the snow, 287 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,559 and you can see in the videos there are snowbanks 288 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:56,039 on the sides of the roads. I've seen some people 289 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,519 deny that that had occurred. No, they weren't trying to 290 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:00,799 get the car out of the snow. 291 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 6: So. 292 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, but those are the 293 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,320 reports that Christy Nomes. She has said this now twice, 294 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,840 and that's why they were trying to extricate the vehicle, 295 00:16:09,879 --> 00:16:12,600 and that's why more ice vehicles had shown up because 296 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,559 they were there to try to help get the car. 297 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: Out of the out of the snowbank. 298 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:24,399 Speaker 1: So the driver's wife, So the driver's name is Rene 299 00:16:24,519 --> 00:16:29,320 Nicole Good. Her wife is reportedly the woman that is 300 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:34,039 standing behind the Honda pilot with a cell phone and 301 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:39,840 video recording everything that's happening. She's off to the sort 302 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,960 of rear right side. Two agents approached the driver's door. 303 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,120 Another agent comes from the passenger side front and stands 304 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:51,919 in front of the vehicle. The agents are telling her 305 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:54,399 when they walk up to her open window, they're telling 306 00:16:54,399 --> 00:16:56,360 her to get out of the car. One of the 307 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:58,919 agents grabs the door handle, but it's locked and he 308 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,279 tries to open the door. At that point, the car 309 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,559 goes in reverse for a couple of feet. The car 310 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:12,359 then goes into drive and the front wheel spin on 311 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:17,160 the icy road. They start spinning a little bit. Now, 312 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,240 this is speculation on my point or on my behalf here. 313 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:27,640 But if it wasn't a snow covered road, that ice 314 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,920 agent may very well have been run over because there 315 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,279 was that gunning of the engine. The tires spin and 316 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,640 that gives him that moment to then draw the firearm, 317 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,640 because he did not walk up with the firearm. 318 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 3: You can see this. 319 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:46,799 Speaker 1: He pulls it out after she starts to go forward 320 00:17:46,839 --> 00:17:50,200 and the engine starts racing, and that's when she hits 321 00:17:50,279 --> 00:17:54,880 him in his legs and sort of pelvis area on 322 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:03,000 his left side. It's at that point when he's trying 323 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:05,200 to move out of the way and the car is 324 00:18:06,039 --> 00:18:09,400 the tire's spin and then they cut to the right. 325 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,920 And that's why people say she was trying to escape. 326 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,920 She wasn't trying to hit him. She was trying to 327 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,319 avoid him. She was trying to go around him. Because 328 00:18:17,319 --> 00:18:20,039 they look at the tire spun. Keep in mind the 329 00:18:20,079 --> 00:18:23,200 cop cannot see the tires. The cop is standing in 330 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,279 front of the car. Cop doesn't see the tires because 331 00:18:27,319 --> 00:18:29,680 he's standing in front of the vehicle. He's also looking 332 00:18:29,839 --> 00:18:33,480 at the person. I also saw where people are pointing 333 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,039 out that he was holding a cell phone as well, 334 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:39,000 so he was recording her, which means there's a recording. 335 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:44,400 There should be body cam footage also. He then fires 336 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,240 three shots as he moves to the side of the vehicle. 337 00:18:48,319 --> 00:18:51,720 One bullet enters the front windshield, the second hits the 338 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,839 front of the side view mirror, so you can see 339 00:18:53,839 --> 00:18:58,960 those two damaged pieces. And I don't know where the 340 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,440 third round went, but may have gone into the open 341 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:07,319 window driver's side window. 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From 368 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:36,720 the text line, Ellen says Pete love your show. 369 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:37,279 Speaker 3: Thank you, Ellen. 370 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate that if the streets had not been icy, 371 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,240 we might be talking about a dead ICE officer today. 372 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 3: She would have hit him much harder. 373 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,559 Speaker 1: Indeed, and in fact, this agent that got hit by 374 00:20:49,599 --> 00:20:55,640 the car was previously hit by a protester driving their 375 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:00,559 car at ICE agents and was dragged. So guy has 376 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:07,359 some experience with the way these protesters behave. Danny says, 377 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,720 it's not just dangerous that these elected officials are inciting 378 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:11,799 this type of behavior. 379 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 3: It's sad. 380 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,559 Speaker 1: It's sad we have arrived in a place in our 381 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:17,519 society where otherwise innocent people feel confident that they can 382 00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:21,319 defy law, intervene with law enforcement, and are convinced there 383 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:27,799 will be no consequences for their actions. Well some of Okay, 384 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,759 for some of them, I think that is true. They 385 00:21:29,759 --> 00:21:31,759 don't think there will be consequences. Then part of that 386 00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:34,119 is because it has been communicated to them that there 387 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,960 will in fact be no consequences, particularly if they have 388 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:43,119 engaged in violent mob behavior in previous demonstrations and have 389 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:48,839 suffered no repercussions. Right, However, there is a contingent that 390 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:56,480 knows that inducing the reaction is the purpose of the action. Okay, 391 00:21:56,559 --> 00:22:00,240 this is out of Saulolensky's rules for radicals. I know 392 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,720 people on the left don't want to hear me quote it, 393 00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:05,799 but this is one of the things that Olenski preaches 394 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,119 is sometimes the action is in your opponent's reaction, getting 395 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,279 your opponent to do something that you can then use 396 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:19,400 to vilify them and play the victim yourself, to gain 397 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:25,599 public support, or to advance legislation or get some policy 398 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,680 changed or something, or to get ice to as the 399 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,440 mayor of Minneapolis said, get the bleep out of our city. 400 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:33,759 Speaker 7: Right. 401 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:34,759 Speaker 3: This is the point. 402 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: And by the way, the mayor and the governor, the 403 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,640 Democrats who are out there saying, you know, this was predictable, 404 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,880 we were predicting this. Yeah, you know who else was 405 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,480 predicting it? People on the right. I was predicting it. 406 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,799 You know why, because it's obvious what you're doing. You're 407 00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:57,039 inciting people to obstruct, to antagonize, to get more and 408 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,759 more aggressive. You're inciting people to do this. You are 409 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:05,319 creating a permission structure for people to defy the law because. 410 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 3: They don't like the law. 411 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: That's what this comes down to is that you have 412 00:23:10,279 --> 00:23:15,279 a not small contingent of Americans that believe there should 413 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:19,599 be no federal immigration law. That's why they're out there 414 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,319 protesting because what these agents are doing is enforcing immigration law. 415 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:29,359 So you want the law wiped off the books, but 416 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,119 you can't do that legislatively because you do not hold 417 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,079 a majority. You don't have a majority opinion on that matter. 418 00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:37,200 So what you're going to do is an attempt to 419 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:42,680 nullify the federal law by obstructing it, by preventing law 420 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,000 enforcement agents from the federal government en forcing federal law. 421 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,000 You're going to try to prevent them from doing so. 422 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,920 And that permission structure for you to behave like violent children, 423 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:00,640 that permission structure is created and fortified by elect leaders 424 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,599 that speak in the same ways that we are hearing 425 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,599 the elected leadership speak today. They're saying the same thing. 426 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:10,920 They keep blaming Ice for the chaos, but the chaos 427 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,200 is created by the nullifiers. 428 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:15,559 Speaker 3: Again. 429 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:21,039 Speaker 1: It's remember, the issue is never the issue. The issue 430 00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:26,960 is always the revolution. It's plug and play. It's yesterday 431 00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:32,400 it's Palestine, and now today it's Ice. There were people 432 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:38,039 wearing cafeas as fashion accessories while kicking in the glass 433 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,640 doors and windows of the Federal Courthouse in Minneapolis last night. 434 00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:45,759 Speaker 3: What does Palestine have to do with that? 435 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: It's the Omnik cause. Because the issue doesn't matter. The 436 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,799 particular issue of the day doesn't matter, whether it was 437 00:24:54,839 --> 00:25:00,319 George Floyd, whether it's Palestine, right, Michael Brown, he ends up, 438 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:04,519 don't shoot whatever. The issue is irrelevant. The issue is 439 00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:10,440 always the revolution. It's about destabilization of the society, and 440 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,319 so people like me on the right have been saying, 441 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,640 you guys are going to incite violence. 442 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 3: Somebody is going to get killed. 443 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:22,759 Speaker 1: And people on the left were saying ICE's enforcement of 444 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:26,279 the law is going to incite violence, and just stop 445 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,400 and think about that for a moment. Enforcement of the 446 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:33,440 law will incite violence. If that is the case, then 447 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,559 your city is in a state of insurrection. That's what 448 00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:40,640 that means that when democrats are out there saying that 449 00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:45,839 enforcing law will create criminal activity, that means you are 450 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,240 in open defiance of federal law. And this goes back 451 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:52,279 to the fourth turning. The fourth turning the theory that 452 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,440 was put forth back in the nineties by a couple 453 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,599 of demographers and they charted out sort of this these 454 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,759 four seasons or cycle or what they called them turnings. 455 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:09,039 They last about twenty years, and you go through a spring, summer, fall, winter, 456 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,400 and winter is the crisis phase, and then it repeats 457 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,960 itself and we are in the fourth turning. That was 458 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,200 what they were talking about from their book in the nineties. 459 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,599 And the remaining surviving author I think his name is 460 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:28,920 Neil Howe. He was the one who identified the immigration 461 00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:35,039 issue as being the spark for the fourth turning. He 462 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:38,640 said it would be a nullification crisis in the fourth turning. 463 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,000 And you don't know, like nobody knows how this plays out. 464 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,160 This is the problem with this type of a nullification 465 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,400 fight is you have stayed in local officials with their 466 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,559 own armies, whether it's you know, National Guard police for 467 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:57,960 state troopers, whatever, and you have a federal government with 468 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,599 its own armies, and neither one will take an off 469 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:10,279 ramp because they're both asserting some authority. And what's very 470 00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:13,799 clear is you've got these democrat controlled areas that are 471 00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:17,599 refusing to recognize the authority of the federal government because 472 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,440 Orange Man is Hitler. And so the federal government is 473 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,359 going to keep pushing back and say no, the supremacy 474 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,599 clause of the Constitution, we are legally empowered to do it. 475 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,119 These are laws passed, we're acting lawfully, and the states 476 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,000 are saying no, the cities are saying no, and it's 477 00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:39,799 going to escalate into violence. People are going to get hurt, 478 00:27:39,839 --> 00:27:42,599 people are going to get killed. And if you keep 479 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,960 encouraging people to behave like this because they don't like 480 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,160 a law, you're going to get more of it. So 481 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,039 while Tim Walls may have predicted violence and a death, 482 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,039 I too have predicted violence and a death. But Tim 483 00:27:58,079 --> 00:27:59,880 Walls wants to blame it on law and for it 484 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,000 meant enforcing laws. I blame the people who are acting 485 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,079 in a dare I say, insurrectionist manner. These are the 486 00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:11,960 same people, by the way, that ran around tearing down 487 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:19,960 statues of every Civil War Confederate General right got to 488 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,319 take all their statues down and all of that because 489 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,759 they were insurrectionists January sixth people, they were insurrectionists, But 490 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,079 when it comes to laws they don't like from the 491 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:30,960 federal government that they want to nullify. 492 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 3: I guess it's okay. Let me go back to Danny's message. 493 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: Here on the text line, he says, the situation took 494 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,279 a tragic turn, and everyone now wants to judge if 495 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:47,119 the officer's reactions were justified instead of clearing understanding that 496 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,480 actions have consequences, and had she been protesting in a 497 00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,799 legal and acceptable way, she would be alive today. What 498 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,759 will it take for people to stop the insanity? They 499 00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:59,799 don't have an incentive to do so. This is the problem. 500 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,279 Look for the incentives, right, There is no incentive for 501 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,160 de escalation right now, not on the left and not 502 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,039 on the part of the immigration enforcement, So no one's 503 00:29:13,079 --> 00:29:14,480 incentivized to de escalating. 504 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:15,079 Speaker 3: All right. 505 00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this show, you know I try 506 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,720 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 507 00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:20,839 I know you do too, And you've probably heard me 508 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,079 say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because 509 00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:27,799 it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've 510 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:31,160 been so impressed with ground News. 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Subscribe through that link and you'll get fifteen 522 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,960 percent off any subscription. I use the Vantage plan to 523 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,440 get unlimited access to every feature your subscription then not 524 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,480 only helps my podcast, but it also supports ground news 525 00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:20,079 as they make the media landscape more transparent. Governor Tim 526 00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:24,119 Walls has all he's now doing another news conference. I 527 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,480 believe the focus of this is on how he's accusing 528 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:36,400 the FBI of cutting out the local investigators from investigating. 529 00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:39,119 So here's Tim Walls from the news conference going on 530 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:39,559 right now. 531 00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 7: I think it's clear to everyone as they saw this 532 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,160 that it feels now that Minnesota has been taken out 533 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:53,240 of the investigation, it feels very, very difficult that we 534 00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:56,240 will get a fair outcome. And I say that only 535 00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:02,000 because people in positions of power have already passed judgment, 536 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,680 from the President to the Vice president to Christy Nome, 537 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,920 have stood and told you things that are verifiably false, 538 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,160 verifiably inaccurate. They have determined the character of a thirty 539 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,599 seven year old mom that they didn't even know, don't know. 540 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:25,480 They've determined that the actions are done I don't know. 541 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:28,920 I've not used inflammatory terms of what happened. 542 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:29,839 Speaker 3: I've asked us to. 543 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,839 Speaker 7: Find the answers. The only way we find the answers 544 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:39,200 is a thorough investigation by non partisan professionals. We've delivered 545 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,640 that we've been able to do it. We've earned the trust. 546 00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:45,680 And when I say that, the trust of BCA, and 547 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:49,480 I tell Minnesota's the trust of law enforcement here everyone 548 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:53,880 knows globally, certainly here that George Floyd, who has murdered 549 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,559 a few blocks from this site, toward the soul of 550 00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,720 who we were. But we healed, we build back trust. 551 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,680 Chief Brian o'hurre came in and took one of the 552 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,640 most difficult jobs in America of building back trust in 553 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,279 the police force in Minneapolis after Derek shav and murder 554 00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:13,039 George Floyd. And he's earned that, and he's level and 555 00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:16,839 he's fair, and he's asking for that, and so Minnesotan's 556 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,400 I will continue to press that we be part of 557 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,799 the investigation, that we do the investigation so that Minnesotans 558 00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:28,000 can trust what the outcome is. I don't have a 559 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,000 predetermined notion. Yes I saw the video, Yes I saw that, 560 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:35,119 But a thorough investigation, we'll see what happened before that. 561 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,119 It will take all factors in and it will come 562 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,960 up with a fair and just conclusion and we will 563 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,640 accept that. Very very difficult for Minnesotans to think in 564 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,920 any way this is going to be fair. When Christynoman 565 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,480 was judged jury and basically executioner yesterday, that's very, very 566 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,400 difficult to think that they were going to be fair 567 00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:58,920 With that being said. Minnesotan's risen to the occasion so far, 568 00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:01,839 but it's going to get check challenging. It's going to 569 00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:05,240 be challenging because I feel your anger, the human desire 570 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,559 to lash out in this moment is very real. I 571 00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,359 can tell you that that is the wish of many 572 00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:14,920 people that they fulfill, the wish. They want to see 573 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,200 us turn on one another, turn towards violence rather than 574 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:27,119 peaceful reconciliation rather than peaceful civil disobedience. And what we 575 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:31,359 have to do our best to not play into that. 576 00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:35,279 I say this too when I saw yesterday some of 577 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:40,960 the anger, whether it's Minneapolis Police, Minnesota State Patrol, Hennepin 578 00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:45,599 County Sheriff's office, Minnesota National Guard, they are there to 579 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,839 protect and serve. As it said, they are there to 580 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:53,960 protect Minnesotan's. Throwing your anger at them only inflames the situation. 581 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, because, by the way, that is what the protesters did. 582 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,319 They attacked the local police. Like Walls is trying to 583 00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:07,319 walk this line of like, oh, these are Minnesotans, these 584 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:09,679 are state police, and these are local police, and we're 585 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,320 all on the same page. We're all your friends. Like dude, 586 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,559 four years ago they were burning down your police departments. 587 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,599 They don't trust them either. Again, See, the issue is 588 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:21,239 never the issue. You think that there's going to be 589 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,719 some logical consistency going on here, and it's not. This 590 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,760 is just what he is saying, because the anger is 591 00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:30,920 directed at all law enforcement, because law enforcement represents the 592 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,280 thing that protects the society. Like that's the thin blue line. 593 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:41,559 You tear that apart and now you can run wild. 594 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,639 And that's what they did last night. They started throwing 595 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:50,039 snowballs and stuff and debris at the local police. And 596 00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,079 so now Tim Wall's like, oh, don't do that, Like, 597 00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:54,079 those are the bad guys over there. It's Ice, they're 598 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:56,599 the bad guys. Trump is the bad guy. It's not 599 00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,599 the local police, it's not the state police. We're here 600 00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:03,320 to protect at you. Yeah, they don't want you either, Tim. 601 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 7: And I know some of you were up at the 602 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,119 Whipple Building this morning, and to the press who are here, 603 00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:11,719 I saw some of this myself. Thank you. Continue to 604 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,480 have access to every single space, Continue to cover this story, 605 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,519 continue to show the world what's out there. I will 606 00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:20,599 say it where our president won't. The press are the 607 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:24,679 defenders of our democracy. You need to be there. But 608 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,719 I also tell folks, protect our Minnesotans who are out there, 609 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,599 and don't turn the anger to them. This is a 610 00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:33,719 brazen use of force. 611 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait, hang on a second. 612 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 1: Didn't you just say that you haven't made any judgments 613 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,320 about anything that occurred, and now you're saying, what three 614 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,840 sentences later, that this was a quote brazen use of force. 615 00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:51,719 That sounds like you've passed some sort of judgment about it. 616 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,039 Because if it was, as Christy Nomes said, an act 617 00:35:55,039 --> 00:36:00,280 of self defense after a protester weaponized her vehicle against 618 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,599 a law enforcement agent, which would then classify it as 619 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:07,960 an act of domestic terrorism. But that's that's out of 620 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,599 the bounds of acceptability. 621 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 7: Want us to bend the knee. They want us to 622 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,000 capitulate the way. 623 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:20,039 Speaker 1: Okay, they want you to bend the knee to to 624 00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:24,800 federal law. Yes, you live in America, you live under 625 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:25,440 federal law. 626 00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:26,119 Speaker 3: I do too. 627 00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: You're supposed to uphold the Constitution. Your oath is to 628 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,880 uphold the Constitution of the United States of America. There 629 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,280 is the supremacy clause. The federal government has the authority 630 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,719 to do these things. They are they are using federal 631 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,440 law enforcement to enforce federal law. And you call that 632 00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:51,480 bending the knee and capitulating and that and and so, like, 633 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:56,639 what is he saying there, He's saying nullification. We are 634 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,039 nullifying your law. We don't agree with your law, we 635 00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,280 don't want your law, so we are no longer going 636 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,400 to allow you to enforce it in our territory. We 637 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,639 are supreme, That's what he's saying. 638 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 7: The way we give them what they want is allow 639 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,119 them to use this as an excuse to put more 640 00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:14,559 troops on the ground, use him as an excuse to 641 00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,519 show that these are violent protests. And I also witnessed 642 00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:19,159 what I think is going to be a pattern over 643 00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:22,159 the next few days in the coming hours. Is I 644 00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:26,599 saw an individual show up there with the intent to 645 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,800 antagonize folks who are peacefully protesting with a bullhorn to 646 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,199 scream at them. And again, the desire to move on 647 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,039 that individual is exactly what they want. 648 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,559 Speaker 1: Oh, it's the right wingers that's the real problem. 649 00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:48,079 Speaker 3: Good job, Gov. All right, that'll do it for this episode. 650 00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:50,199 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. 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